| LjL | "literally any mask" is more or less what they said the WHO said tonight on TV | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| LjL | and i was like "????????????????????" | 00:00 |
| LjL | "you've just kept saying the masks were useless, now you tell people they're all good" | 00:00 |
| python476 | respiratory infection calls for respirators | 00:00 |
| LjL | they're kinda both true but what the hell, do they seriously want people to distrust every word they say | 00:00 |
| python476 | logic 101 | 00:00 |
| python476 | honestly the mask thing could be solved with a plastic gasket | 00:00 |
| python476 | https://www.almamedical.net/5097-large_default/gima-visiera-protettiva-con-rotazione-a-90--con-supporto-in-plastica-4797.jpg | 00:01 |
| LjL | uuh | 00:01 |
| LjL | that's more or less what doctors i've seen in the media seem to be using in China | 00:01 |
| LjL | (*plus* a mask) | 00:01 |
| python476 | yeah but since mask are lacking now | 00:01 |
| LjL | and i was always thinking... that doesn't actually isolate the eyes, just protects them from direct jets | 00:01 |
| python476 | and people dont wear mask right most of the time | 00:01 |
| python476 | seen the picture of the woman having her nose above the mask ? | 00:02 |
| LjL | do you think these are *less* lacking? they feel less common to me | 00:02 |
| python476 | and no gloves in the subway | 00:02 |
| LjL | well i don't wear gloves on the subway, i'd rather my gloves stay *reasonably* cleanish | 00:02 |
| python476 | LjL: true plastic face things rarer maybe, but anybody can fake one with a bit of plastic | 00:02 |
| LjL | i just disinfect my hands afterwards now and/or don't touch the rails at all, rather fall | 00:02 |
| python476 | LjL: sure but I have a feeling this woman will touch everything before cleaning | 00:02 |
| LjL | it's hard to change people's bad habits | 00:03 |
| LjL | even when they are the ones trying themselves | 00:03 |
| python476 | can't wait for uber CEO to release his new app : coviders | 00:03 |
| python476 | hire a guy to go out for you ! | 00:04 |
| LjL | python476, https://lyricstranslate.com/en/bonhomme-little-fellow.html#comment-664148 | 00:06 |
| python476 | still brassensing ? | 00:08 |
| LjL | it's appropriate | 00:13 |
| python476 | I'm so conflicted about my work life | 00:14 |
| python476 | LjL: you work in IT I suppose ? | 00:14 |
| LjL | let's skip to next question pls | 00:15 |
| python476 | I can skip all questions if you prefer | 00:15 |
| python476 | but I don't know if I should drop computing, go into woodworking.. solar energy.. or mcdonalds | 00:15 |
| LjL | i think Spec does all of those | 00:17 |
| ubLIX | whichever is most likely to be compatible with working remotely would seem to be the prize right now | 00:18 |
| python476 | so Spec is not short for Specialize | 00:19 |
| python476 | ubLIX: fairly true | 00:19 |
| python476 | remote burger serving will be awkward | 00:19 |
| python476 | cloud mcdrive | 00:19 |
| ubLIX | mhm | 00:20 |
| ubLIX | i have to distinctly different lines of work but both involve moderate to huge amounts of human contact | 00:20 |
| python476 | drone deliver, and solar heated | 00:20 |
| ubLIX | smh | 00:20 |
| ubLIX | s/to/two/ | 00:20 |
| Brainstorm | ubLIX meant to say: i have two distinctly different lines of work but both involve moderate to huge amounts of human contact | 00:20 |
| ubLIX | i am not very happy about this right now | 00:20 |
| python476 | which part ? having 2 fields or human contact ? | 00:21 |
| ubLIX | the human contact | 00:21 |
| python476 | I like it, in small dose | 00:21 |
| ubLIX | well i would consider returning to being happy about it in.. say.. 6 months or so | 00:21 |
| python476 | heh | 00:22 |
| python476 | I deliver food at night right now, it's near perfect balance | 00:22 |
| ubLIX | can you deliver food in a full body hazmat suit? | 00:22 |
| python476 | I stay in my car .. maybe I can just cut a hazmat hatch in the door | 00:23 |
| python476 | "hi, your food in under the hood, real warm and smokey" | 00:23 |
| ubLIX | well i work with cars, pop round and i'll plasma cut a hole in your hood for you | 00:24 |
| python476 | ubLIX: car mechanics ? | 00:26 |
| ubLIX | yep | 00:26 |
| python476 | hire me | 00:26 |
| ubLIX | i also work in ski industry | 00:26 |
| python476 | funny stretch | 00:26 |
| python476 | I want to learn enough mechanics and power electronics to convert ICE to EVs | 00:26 |
| python476 | last year I did 2 weeks at a truck recycling warehouse | 00:27 |
| python476 | if I had a hangar I'd be doing that already | 00:27 |
| ubLIX | hmm. i quite fancy talking this company (https://bollingermotors.com/) into letting me the UK rep for them | 00:28 |
| ubLIX | ^ electric trucks | 00:29 |
| python476 | name rings a bell | 00:29 |
| python476 | someone probably linked them when Tesla pitched their cybertruck | 00:29 |
| fructose | LjL: Part of the problem with masks is that they give people a false sense of security, which is the argument behind them being ineffective for "ordinary" people | 00:31 |
| ubLIX | the attractive thing (to me) about the bollinger line is they seem to have no intention whatsoever about computering their vehicles up the wazoo | 00:31 |
| fructose | LjL: People with masks on are less likely to cover their coughs and sneezes, for example. Or they don't take proper care to ensure they masks stay clean and are replaced often enough, meaning they can actually increase risk of transmission | 00:32 |
| fructose | https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coronavirus/two-bay-area-health-care-workers-presumptive-positive-for-coronavirus/2245437/ | 00:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:39 UTC: Coronavirus: Italy death toll rises to 34 as Dominican Republic reports first case – as it happened: US, Australia and Thailand also report first deaths from coronavirus while bans are put in place around the world on large gatherings. Follow live news → https://is.gd/sRlm06 | 00:56 |
| LjL | fructose, there is certainly a complicated balance of things | 00:59 |
| LjL | meanwhile Brainstorm just keeps posting the same thing, an incorrect Italy number | 01:00 |
| LjL | meh | 01:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:53 UTC: Coronavirus latest updates: Asian markets tumble as Italy deaths rise to 34: Australia’s stock exchange falls 2% on opening as investors flee on fears of coronavirus spread. Follow live news → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 01:08 |
| LjL | truth: https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fbubz4/exclusive_us_defense_department_expects/fj6qf8b/?context=3 | 01:19 |
| LjL | cold, fog, 90% humidity | 01:39 |
| LjL | thank you weather for helping the virus since we aren't being bad enough at containing it | 01:40 |
| LjL | today's basically all been without a high and a low, just oscillating between 6 and 7°C | 01:40 |
| LjL | okay, 8 | 01:41 |
| LjL | and there's a civil protection watch for tomorrow for flooding | 01:41 |
| ubLIX | LjL: mhm. Scotland's first confirmed case apparently a fellow who had just escaped from Milan | 01:41 |
| LjL | hmm i could have some meteoalarm.eu feeds in here if they didn't have the bad habit of posting "nothing's happening" news | 01:42 |
| ubLIX | also, Manchester just had it's first case. Also just escaped from Milan | 01:42 |
| python476 | should we hanghim ? | 01:42 |
| LjL | ubLIX, "escaped"... we're not exactly quarantined | 01:42 |
| LjL | but yeah, lots of foreign cases like that | 01:42 |
| ubLIX | *its | 01:42 |
| python476 | he meant that milan is just plain bad :D | 01:42 |
| LjL | well he ain't wrong | 01:42 |
| python476 | Louvres has been closed today | 01:43 |
| LjL | mhm | 01:43 |
| LjL | actually though Milan had gained a lot of tourism after the 2015 world fair | 01:43 |
| python476 | Also, it seems that National Farming convention that ended up yesterday .. has been a big hub | 01:43 |
| LjL | partly because it had given itself a bit of a facelift (already rotting) | 01:43 |
| LjL | i guess that's... over | 01:43 |
| python476 | if it's confirmed, France is gonna get a nice spot on your graph | 01:43 |
| LjL | well it's already spiking | 01:44 |
| LjL | and it's not my graph, i can only write buggy bots, it's tinwhiskers | 01:44 |
| LjL | %covid france | 01:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In France, there are 130 cases, 2 deaths (1.5% of cases), 12 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 00:35 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 01:44 |
| python476 | i mean, the current number will be ridiculous | 01:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 14.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 01:44 |
| LjL | 130 is already "uncontainable" in my book | 01:44 |
| LjL | %covid germany | 01:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Germany, there are 130 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 00:35 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 01:44 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: It's too early to even try to estimate mortality in this area. | 01:44 |
| python476 | france farming convention sees a ton of people, animals, food .. everybody is tight against each other | 01:44 |
| LjL | uncanny numbers | 01:45 |
| LjL | python476, why is something like that not being cancelled? :( | 01:45 |
| LjL | why are we all stupid | 01:45 |
| ubLIX | LjL: it's just that 'escaped from Milan' is funnier than 'got on a plane completely unmolested and returned home' | 01:45 |
| LjL | ubLIX, i swear neither of them was me trying to reach someone | 01:45 |
| ubLIX | well if escaping from Milan is so damn easy maybe you should | 01:46 |
| ubLIX | i'd still recommend scandinavia over uk though | 01:46 |
| LjL | ubLIX, also now i'm like "it's not like we're quarantined" but a week ago when they quarantined the suburbs i was like "OMG WE'RE GOING TO BE QUARANTINED LET'S GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE" | 01:47 |
| LjL | ubLIX, well, someone in another channel asked me *what* travel restrictions are in place between cities | 01:47 |
| LjL | not *whether* | 01:47 |
| LjL | it felt weird to say "... none" | 01:47 |
| LjL | but American Airlines has grounded their flights with us, for one | 01:48 |
| LjL | i assume some EU airlines are doing that | 01:48 |
| LjL | but we have roads, it only takes about 2 hours to cross the border with France when they aren't busy stopping asylum seekers and cars at the toll booths in the process | 01:48 |
| LjL | it takes me 3 hours to go the alps, so France is kinda quicker | 01:48 |
| LjL | Switzerland is even quicker but let's get serious | 01:49 |
| LjL | between Frenchmen, Swiss and a dealdly virus... | 01:49 |
| LjL | let's just say it's a fair game | 01:49 |
| LjL | (i assume Austrians and Slovenians would just kill me on the spot, which is not too fair) | 01:50 |
| ubLIX | the swiss seem to be doing some sensible covid mitigations | 01:50 |
| LjL | killing italian commuters? | 01:50 |
| ubLIX | :| | 01:50 |
| LjL | hopefully without blood being involved | 01:50 |
| ubLIX | shutting down large gatherings | 01:50 |
| LjL | France is stopping gatherings of more than 5000 | 01:50 |
| LjL | which seems oddly specific | 01:50 |
| LjL | but really, Canton Ticino must be liking north lombardy commuters even better than usual | 01:51 |
| python476 | LjL: it was a multi week event already going on | 01:51 |
| LjL | and they usually like them *a lot* | 01:52 |
| python476 | they stopped it early actually | 01:52 |
| LjL | python476, ah | 01:52 |
| python476 | but too late it seems | 01:52 |
| ubLIX | what provoked the Escape From Milan recommendation was this article trying to spell out why 50% of Italians seem to hate Italy: https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/country-on-the-brink-a-search-for-the-source-of-italy-s-malaise-a-43adf0e8-bfab-4f8c-9340-3f7f3059babe | 01:52 |
| LjL | python476, a pattern in this (at least in europe/US) seems to be everyone is catching up with the virus | 01:52 |
| LjL | when people with a clue say "now we must be doing 10", the government will be doing 9 | 01:53 |
| python476 | human projects are always late | 01:53 |
| LjL | which seems pretty close, but if the virus is at 9.5 it won't work | 01:53 |
| python476 | but nature delivers on time, even early | 01:53 |
| LjL | python476, i thought that was just italian | 01:53 |
| python476 | nah italian projects are later but stylish | 01:53 |
| LjL | ah | 01:53 |
| LjL | well the stylish ones are all from Milan | 01:53 |
| LjL | so there is that | 01:54 |
| LjL | virally stylish | 01:54 |
| python476 | glorious death | 01:54 |
| python476 | poetry in violence | 01:54 |
| LjL | will memes and stuff still be called "viral" from now on, or will people refrain from using that term? | 01:54 |
| python476 | https://i.imgur.com/g2uNens.jpg | 01:55 |
| LjL | he went gay? is that what the virus does? | 01:55 |
| python476 | LjL: I'd bet many dollars that covid will be the most used hyperbole in the next monthes | 01:55 |
| python476 | LjL: yes, that's the total interpretation of this meme | 01:56 |
| spybert | I don't know, but the level of panic in the US is apparently at a level where people are stealing surgical masks from medical facilities. | 01:56 |
| LjL | "oh come on it's just a haircut, it's not covid" | 01:56 |
| python476 | covid comes from bat, batman and robin were gay, covid makes you gay. QED | 01:56 |
| LjL | damn | 01:56 |
| LjL | why do we even need virologists | 01:56 |
| python476 | spybert: stealing ? | 01:56 |
| LjL | spybert, i find the level of panic varies | 01:56 |
| python476 | LjL: why use mask, they have guns to protec their families | 01:56 |
| LjL | python476, happened in milan too, probably at many places but i know (in)directly of one | 01:57 |
| spybert | python476: Yeah, somebody stole all the surgical masks from the medical facility where my wife works. | 01:57 |
| LjL | python476, so they'll shoot themselves in the face to wipe away the virus? | 01:57 |
| python476 | twitter showed americans queued near malls... like sheeps. | 01:57 |
| LjL | spybert, yes see, are media even reporting on this? they haven't here, i just know because my doctor told me | 01:57 |
| python476 | LjL: no they'll shoot the nurse coming to help them | 01:57 |
| LjL | i guess if media report, people will do it more, etc | 01:57 |
| python476 | spybert: man .. | 01:57 |
| python476 | millenias of "progress" but our reptilian brain still dwarfs everything in times of panic | 01:58 |
| spybert | python476: Yeah, they might have to work with infected patients without proper gear. | 01:58 |
| LjL | spybert, but the thing is, i see (or know of) people stealing masks, i see people with fancy masks likely bought for €5000 of ebay, and then i also see people who don't give a damn and just keep laughing in each other's faces as always | 01:58 |
| LjL | a rainbow of behaviors | 01:59 |
| python476 | in a similar vein, on our craigslist equivalent, people are selling masks for high prices now | 01:59 |
| LjL | which is often a good thing but... not really this time | 01:59 |
| python476 | good business is where you find it | 01:59 |
| LjL | python476, people in black hoods were selling masks in our metro station | 01:59 |
| LjL | probably drugs too. "what do you want ma'am, some white dust or a dust mask?" | 02:00 |
| ubLIX | https://xkcd.com/1217/ | 02:00 |
| LjL | ubLIX, that's a commonly held misconception though | 02:01 |
| fructose | https://apnews.com/afs:Content:8509320385 | 02:01 |
| fructose | Might be good to know about | 02:01 |
| LjL | in fact, you'll likely to kill or at least severely hurt yourself with glass pieces | 02:01 |
| LjL | and inject cancer cells into your body | 02:01 |
| LjL | alive | 02:01 |
| ubLIX | *citation needed | 02:02 |
| LjL | uh well don't think i've seen that particular video | 02:02 |
| spybert | I guess protective gear will have to be subject to the same security and accounting as narcotics | 02:02 |
| LjL | i've seen one with a seemingly dead person on the ground | 02:02 |
| LjL | but they weren't covered by a blanket | 02:02 |
| LjL | instead they had people in biochemical suits staring at them for a few seconds, then going | 02:03 |
| LjL | spybert, well they did arrest the ones who were selling them for €5000 | 02:03 |
| LjL | and i think some more emergency laws are on their ways to presidential signing about that | 02:03 |
| fructose | I'm unsure of how easily the Chinese government would be able to conceal a higher death count | 02:03 |
| LjL | i don't think they are | 02:04 |
| fructose | Why? | 02:04 |
| LjL | it's not a hard and fast opinion, but their graphs seem to make sense | 02:05 |
| LjL | in their "best" cities, they have the death rates we have in our "best" countries | 02:05 |
| python476 | LjL: overdose before you die ! | 02:05 |
| LjL | in Wuhan, well... they have Milan | 02:05 |
| LjL | they even rhyme | 02:05 |
| LjL | although maybe not, i pronounce them differently | 02:05 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: OK, there are groups defined now. You can find them as children under "World". Also if you right-click one of those it will select and deselect those member countries from the list. | 02:05 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i'd kiss you if i weren't likely infectious | 02:06 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: they are defined here http://offloop.net/covid19h/groups.txt so feel free to make changes to that and point me to the updated version | 02:06 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 02:06 |
| LjL | i knew there was a catch! | 02:06 |
| fructose | LjL: The question would be more... why aren't they concealing internal issues like they normally do? | 02:07 |
| LjL | because they're no longer internal | 02:07 |
| LjL | they're watching the rest of the world burn now | 02:07 |
| LjL | we're not going to handle it as effectively as they did | 02:07 |
| fructose | That would actually put greater incentive on them minimizing their numbers | 02:07 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, you may have some kind of issue with "outside-china", with unauthoritative data, it goes *down* | 02:08 |
| tinwhiskers | Oooh | 02:08 |
| tinwhiskers | umm. right | 02:08 |
| tinwhiskers | I'll look into that | 02:08 |
| LjL | not sure if it's outside-china that's the problem, or it's just the only one that's showing it for me now | 02:09 |
| LjL | both world and outside-china do it | 02:10 |
| LjL | others... likely not | 02:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:46 UTC: Coronavirus latest updates: Asian markets tumble as China cases pass 80,000: Australia’s stock exchange falls 2% on opening as investors flee on fears of coronavirus spread. Follow live news → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 02:10 |
| tinwhiskers | I think its that the non-authoritative data is well out of date for some reason and JH has just released new authoritative data that is actually higher than it. | 02:10 |
| tinwhiskers | But I'll dig more | 02:10 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well i'm not being able to see it in any particular dataset though, it's not there for china | 02:11 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, also. Outside-Wuhan | 02:12 |
| LjL | (or rather Wuhan/Hubei) | 02:12 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm. Yeah. I think I've screwed something up | 02:12 |
| fructose | LjL: Any analysis on how long it's been circulating in Italy? In the US, it's apparently 6 weeks. | 02:13 |
| LjL | fructose, vague recollection they said "probably 20 days ago" around the first days | 02:13 |
| fructose | I'd have the same question about South Korea | 02:13 |
| LjL | no idea about south korea | 02:13 |
| python476 | https://cmmid.github.io/visualisations/traveller-screening | 02:14 |
| LjL | python476, so they *are* effective, but only if you look at the second tab? | 02:16 |
| python476 | I didn't even click | 02:17 |
| python476 | I thought y'all would enjoy that | 02:17 |
| LjL | it's good stuff | 02:18 |
| LjL | topic'd | 02:20 |
| python476 | o/// | 02:23 |
| fructose | Any guesses on who these federal health workers were in the complaint? | 02:29 |
| LjL | https://www.punto-informatico.it/coronavirus-termometro-ricerche-online/ (italian language) | 02:29 |
| fructose | LjL: Interesting, thanks | 02:34 |
| LjL | Amuchina is the best-known brand of hand sanitizer | 02:34 |
| LjL | "interesting" it was mostly searched for in the southern regions, not those affected | 02:34 |
| LjL | in the light of the fact it was immediately MIA from the market | 02:35 |
| fructose | LjL: Is testing a bottleneck in Italy? | 02:49 |
| LjL | fructose, according to our government no, if anything we "overtest" | 02:49 |
| LjL | but i have some open questions about that whole debate | 02:49 |
| LjL | fructose, are you asking because the growth seems suspiciously linear the past couple of iterations? | 02:50 |
| fructose | I'm wondering if lab technicians become the bottleneck at some point | 02:50 |
| LjL | (well not very linear in the last) | 02:50 |
| fructose | In the US it seems to be reagents and competence | 02:50 |
| LjL | fructose, that was alleged to be the case in Wuhan at some point | 02:50 |
| LjL | which may be why the "enlarged" the test criteria to include being positive to CT scans... at least i understood it that way | 02:51 |
| LjL | well, the latest data courtesy of tinwhiskers sure don't look linear for italy :\ | 02:51 |
| LjL | the worst part is they're correct | 02:52 |
| LjL | %covid italy | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Italy, there are 1701 cases, 41 deaths (2.4% of cases), 83 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 01:30 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 33.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 02:52 |
| LjL | i'll content myself with looking at insignificantly diminishing mortality and some recoveries... i guess | 02:52 |
| LjL | but the recovery rate actually sucks | 02:52 |
| LjL | (i'm looking at it on the graphs, not divining from the above numbers) | 02:53 |
| LjL | actually... compare italy with korea, without anyone else | 02:54 |
| LjL | the recovery curves are ridiculously different | 02:54 |
| LjL | aside from the death rate making it scary for italy | 02:54 |
| fructose | LjL: What was it yesterday? 1.1k? | 02:57 |
| LjL | yes | 02:57 |
| LjL | the day before, less than 900 | 02:57 |
| LjL | so, 900, 1100, 1700 | 02:57 |
| LjL | doesn't look good to me | 02:57 |
| LjL | on the other hand korea seems to be going slightly down but that might be due to data incompleteness | 02:58 |
| fructose | Any explanation besides rampant infections? E.g. more testing? | 02:58 |
| LjL | wait, these are only the official ones | 02:58 |
| LjL | so nevermind, korea *is* going slightly down | 02:58 |
| LjL | fructose, we aren't doing more tests | 02:58 |
| fructose | You mean new cases | 02:58 |
| LjL | hmm? | 02:58 |
| LjL | yes | 02:59 |
| fructose | New cases are going down, not overall cases. | 02:59 |
| LjL | korea's first derivative | 02:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus latest updates: Asian markets tumble as New York confirms first case → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 02:59 |
| LjL | i used to like guardian but it's irritating me a bit, maybe it's just Brainstorm's fault | 02:59 |
| LjL | which would be in turn my fault | 03:00 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: OK, the falling totals problem is fixed. It happened because "Others" had no non-authoritative value so was not included in the total. | 03:00 |
| LjL | ah | 03:00 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, never did graphs make me feel such chills in my spine before | 03:00 |
| ubLIX | the guardian seems a reasonable option to feed an irc version of a ticker tape, but as journalism it does have some.. shortcomings | 03:00 |
| LjL | ubLIX, i have more feeds in it, but i feel they're not being actually used by the bot and the rss module i wrote is a *mess* | 03:01 |
| LjL | i don't know where to even begin fixing it, i should rewrite it but it's not the right time | 03:01 |
| Spec | Now is not the time to talk about infectious disease control. | 03:02 |
| Spec | err, gun control | 03:02 |
| Spec | err, rewriting brainstorm :D | 03:02 |
| ubLIX | LjL: you might take a closer look at http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/archives - i don't know how useful it could be to feed your bot, but it seems (to me) to have more journalistic integrity than the guardian. ofc, it fields the occasional error (they output faster than they fact check sometimes) | 03:03 |
| LjL | Spec, touchééééé | 03:03 |
| ubLIX | LjL: honestly, i don't think the guardian is what you think it is | 03:04 |
| LjL | ubLIX, i need a covid-specific feed | 03:04 |
| LjL | the guardian has one | 03:04 |
| ubLIX | ofc | 03:04 |
| LjL | i think the guardian is... a paper? | 03:04 |
| ubLIX | but you have evidently believed it to be moral.. you chose it.. long before covid | 03:05 |
| python476 | night~ | 03:06 |
| ubLIX | i'm not saying some of their transgressions entirely undermine every facet of their journalistic output, ofc not. just that they have some slant, and their slant's motivations can come from unexpected directions, making their output not trivial to parse | 03:09 |
| ubLIX | anyhoo, enough of that | 03:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:04 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus latest updates: New York confirms first case as China infections drop → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 03:11 |
| LjL | ubLIX, okay, i won't | 03:11 |
| LjL | shall i say it | 03:11 |
| LjL | or will you get too mad | 03:12 |
| ubLIX | tis your channel, i defer to whatever tone you set | 03:13 |
| LjL | ubLIX, no what i meant is whether i shall say what i won't... say | 03:16 |
| LjL | okay i wanted to say | 03:16 |
| LjL | i won't donate to the guardian again | 03:16 |
| ubLIX | ah | 03:16 |
| ubLIX | last i checked, that would be a moral decision | 03:16 |
| LjL | ubLIX, is there a paper i can sleep on? outside of a printed version of wikipedia (which is WP:NOTNEWS, but really, is) | 03:17 |
| ubLIX | i don't think that's possible, no | 03:18 |
| LjL | alright | 03:18 |
| LjL | i'll have to try to stay non-homeless then | 03:18 |
| ubLIX | not in the form of a large organisation, anywah | 03:18 |
| LjL | anyway if my bot published the damned reddit live feeds | 03:19 |
| LjL | that'd help | 03:19 |
| LjL | but it's not doing it | 03:19 |
| fructose | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok2iZ9-cUlk | 03:26 |
| LjL | i'm saving that, but too late to start watching now | 03:28 |
| LjL | i don't want to sleep at 5am like yesterday | 03:28 |
| LjL | be a bit stupid to willingly kill my immune system | 03:28 |
| fructose | Some relevant info, including info about nextstrain.org | 03:29 |
| LjL | the various branches of italian government and civil protection have so many sites, sub-sites, "portals"... sigh | 03:45 |
| LjL | you'd figure as an italian i can find things i search for about the epidemic in italy | 03:45 |
| LjL | but honestly it's like government sites are written in another language | 03:45 |
| fructose | LjL: To be fair, Nextstrain is run by a non-profit, not the government | 03:58 |
| LjL | out institutional websites (all three of the "portals" about COVID) don't even have the updated 1700ish numbers, they're still at 1500 | 03:58 |
| LjL | yet 1700 is official | 03:58 |
| LjL | so seriously what the fuck italy | 03:59 |
| fructose | LjL: Well, lots of source choose to update once daily | 03:59 |
| LjL | fructose, i've got nothing about nextstrain, i'm ranting about/against italy | 03:59 |
| LjL | i'd like to find individual case data, especially for the fatalities | 04:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:53 UTC: Coronavirus: Washington state nursing home under close watch as man dies: Kirkland facility reports symptoms in residents and staff Pence defends Trump Jr claim Democrats want ‘millions’ to die A nursing home in Washington state is being closely monitored after five residents and a staff member tested positive [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QffzY2 | 04:00 |
| fructose | LjL: Restricting an official report to once per day seems reasonable to me | 04:00 |
| LjL | okay | 04:01 |
| fructose | I'm not even convinced mobile phone alerts with GPS awareness would even help here | 04:02 |
| LjL | hadn't even crossed my mind | 04:08 |
| LjL | but they're barely managing to set that up for earthquake warnings in the US, and they're still far away in the EU for anything | 04:08 |
| LjL | well, EU-wide anyway, some countries are better | 04:08 |
| LjL | i have a bad feeling about this coding mutation in "our" virus | 04:17 |
| LjL | but i rarely have good feelings about anything | 04:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:08 UTC: Coronavirus latest updates: second death in US as New York confirms first case: New York state governor says woman in her 30s returned from Iran, as China announces just 200 new cases. Follow live news → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 04:25 |
| fructose | How did you establish it was coding? | 04:25 |
| LjL | forget it, i can't put thoughts into writing now | 04:34 |
| LjL | but look here https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/ | 04:35 |
| LjL | that's our "superior health institute" (semi-government run hospital in rome, that managed everything while we only had 3 cases) | 04:35 |
| LjL | 1520 cases in Europe? EU+EEA+UK? | 04:35 |
| LjL | we have 1700 cases in *italy*, you morons | 04:35 |
| LjL | update your site, or, since it's supposedly an important site, bin it | 04:35 |
| LjL | make another | 04:35 |
| Spec | how is the pope? | 04:35 |
| LjL | just don't make me keep wasting time being redirected from one site to the other | 04:36 |
| LjL | Spec, i'm starting to think that maybe if he actually dies people here will understand this is fucking serious | 04:36 |
| LjL | he'd probably not mind dying for that, maybe | 04:36 |
| LjL | why can't i see patient data? i don't want their names and addresses | 04:36 |
| Spec | hehe | 04:37 |
| LjL | i want the ages of those who died, at minimum | 04:37 |
| LjL | doesn't seem like too much to ask | 04:37 |
| theglass | how can you have the strenght of writing at this time of the night | 04:48 |
| theglass | or the morning | 04:49 |
| Albright | All politicians who politicize this issue and use it to attack their enemies should be forced to tongue-kiss ten infected patients. | 04:55 |
| Albright | Come to think of it, the patients don't deserve that… | 04:56 |
| theglass | there's the "Lick the shrine" contest in Iran for them | 04:56 |
| theglass | Albright: for some reason you remember me of Madlene Albright | 04:57 |
| theglass | of that golden age | 04:57 |
| Albright | No relation. | 04:57 |
| Albright | That I know of. | 04:58 |
| theglass | when state secretaries were ...Madlene Albright | 04:58 |
| theglass | great | 04:59 |
| theglass | well not everthing was blue skies, looking backwards | 05:08 |
| theglass | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeleine_Albright#Controversies | 05:08 |
| theglass | but at the time I probably didn't care | 05:09 |
| fructose | https://abc7ny.com/5974999/ | 05:38 |
| fructose | Snapshot into how the US is handling this | 05:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: New Zealand coronavirus victim recovers but concern about pandemic spreads → https://is.gd/6mbjIb | 05:38 |
| Albright | %title | 05:41 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: Couldn't load page from abc7ny.com (416: Requested Range Not Satisfiable). | 05:41 |
| Albright | Oh yeah, that was the dude posting on Reddit. | 05:41 |
| Albright | He hasn't been tested, though, much less confirmed. So who knows. The dude could be a hypochondriac nutcase for all we know at this point. | 05:42 |
| Albright | "Meanwhile, at a rally in South Carolina on Friday, jam-packed, while other countries are banning large gatherings, President Trump called coronavirus a hoax." Um what | 05:42 |
| Albright | I'm not a Trump fanboy, but there's no way that's not willfully-misunderstood bullshit | 05:43 |
| fructose | There's a video | 05:46 |
| fructose | https://www.today.com/video/trump-calls-coronavirus-new-hoax-at-south-carolina-rally-79683653708 | 05:47 |
| tinwhiskers | Albright: I agree. I detest Trump but it seems obvious he wasn't talking about the virus itself. | 05:48 |
| tinwhiskers | Just because Trump acts irrationally doesn't mean other people should. | 05:49 |
| fructose | Did all the reports lie despite it all being on video? | 05:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:43 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus latest updates: Indonesia reports first case as second person dies in US → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 05:50 |
| Albright | Well, that video was clearly chopped to bits. The context of what Trump was actually calling a hoax was not included. | 05:52 |
| Albright | That whole thing was chopped up and edited as obnoxiously as a YouTube vlogger's video. | 05:53 |
| fructose | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScIbOKXT5n4 | 05:53 |
| fructose | It doesn't seem to be a misrepresentation to me | 05:53 |
| Albright | Do you have a timestamp? I'm not watching 81 minutes of a Trump rally. | 05:54 |
| fructose | He's talking about the coronavirus, he switches to talking about the "Russian hoax", then says "This is their new hoax", then talks about how many people there are in the US and that none of died from coronavirus. | 05:55 |
| tinwhiskers | Trump isn't, err... the best with words. What he really meant was something like "beat-up", not hoax and I think that's obvious to anyone who is being honest with themselves. | 05:55 |
| fructose | It's towards the beginning... 4:30 | 05:56 |
| tinwhiskers | It seems like everyone just became autistic so they could needlessly pick on the precise wording when really I think it's pretty obvious. | 05:56 |
| fructose | Watch the video | 05:56 |
| tinwhiskers | I've seen it | 05:56 |
| fructose | What else could "This is their new hoax" be referring to? | 05:56 |
| tinwhiskers | The last "hoax" was their impeachment "hoax". Obviously his interpretation of "hoax" isn't quite the same as most people. He's talking about a beat-up. | 05:58 |
| tinwhiskers | I think people are being overly pedantic just because it's Trump. Yes, he's a dick and he speaks garbage but it when I heard it I just thought he'd made yet another poor choice of words, not that he was really saying the virus was a hoax. | 05:59 |
| fructose | "They tried the impeachment hoax. That was not a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax." | 05:59 |
| fructose | So he's saying after the impeachment hoax failed, there is a new hoax. | 06:00 |
| fructose | And then goes on to explain how many people die from the flu and that zero have died from coronavirus. | 06:00 |
| tinwhiskers | But the impeachment wasn't a hoax by any definition. It happened. It was a beat-up. | 06:01 |
| fructose | Trump lying is not new. If you want to delusionally believe that his lies aren't real because they're so awful, that's a different conversation than "He didn't say that" | 06:02 |
| tinwhiskers | Lol. People being irrational because they hate Trump is not much better than Trump being irrational. | 06:03 |
| tinwhiskers | I hate Trump but I didn't think for a minute he meant that literally. | 06:03 |
| tinwhiskers | There's, oh-so-many royal fuck-ups that the American adminstration has made that picking on the precise wording of a halfwit just seems so pointless. The cdc testing bullshit for example. | 06:14 |
| fructose | My only question was if it was accurate. It seems accurate to me. | 06:18 |
| tinwhiskers | He said those words but obviously did not mean them literally like much of common speech. | 06:19 |
| fructose | It seems clear and accurate to me. | 06:20 |
| tinwhiskers | Well that just makes me think your comprehension leaves something to be desired. | 06:20 |
| fructose | Likewise. | 06:21 |
| tinwhiskers | Taking every word Trump says literally is a fools game. | 06:21 |
| fructose | I think he lies so soften that "literally" doesn't exist for him. | 06:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:33 UTC: Coronavirus death toll passes 3,000 worldwide as second person dies in US: South Korea reports 500 new cases and Indonesia confirms its first infections as WHO urges nations to stock up on ventilators → https://is.gd/LMkFMl | 06:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:38 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus latest updates: Indonesia reports first case as second person dies in US → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 07:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:20 UTC: Coronavirus live update: Indonesia reports first case as second person dies in US: President Widodo says two citizens have tested positive, as China announces just 200 new cases. Follow the latest news and updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 07:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:32 UTC: Coronavirus live update: Australia reports first cases of community transmission: Sister of man who returned to Australia from Iran and a medical worker are infected, as Indonesia reports first two cases of virus. Follow the latest news and updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 07:52 |
| fructose | Might be worthwhile to brainstorm how to construct makeshift ventilators | 08:14 |
| tinwhiskers | fructose: yeah, I was wondering about that too | 08:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:09 UTC: Coronavirus: first cases of community transmission confirmed in Australia: A NSW health worker who has not travelled overseas in three months has been diagnosed with the disease along with a 41-year-old woman → https://is.gd/aaRdrj | 08:17 |
| tinwhiskers | I wonder if a ventilator without a more concentrated oxygen supply would do much. | 08:18 |
| fructose | I'd imagine so. They have medical application at least. It might also be easier to get more oxygen than ventilators. | 08:22 |
| twomoon | now you're thinking fructose | 08:23 |
| tinwhiskers | I expect a bellows type system would be there easiest to make with low risk of popping you. | 08:23 |
| tinwhiskers | Any idea what volume of air a medical ventilator contains? They are more like an accordion. | 08:24 |
| tinwhiskers | Geared down motor using a slider crank to work the bellows. | 08:28 |
| tinwhiskers | A simple bellows just uses a flap of leather over a hole in the bellows to act as an inlet valve. | 08:28 |
| fructose | https://www.hamilton-medical.com/dam/jcr:669ce7e7-ad6a-4d77-b95b-51596aec07bf/HAMILTON-G5-tech-specs-en-689253.09.pdf | 08:29 |
| fructose | That has a pretty decent set of specs | 08:29 |
| fructose | 180 l/min peak flow, max. 120 l/min continuous flow | 08:29 |
| fructose | For inspiratory (inhaling) flow | 08:30 |
| fructose | That max. It's a controllable of course | 08:30 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah, so doing assisted breathing rather than just forced breathing would make it a lot more tricky | 08:31 |
| fructose | You can let patient control | 08:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Making a bellows rhythmically breath would be pretty easy and require no real electronics. But having it breath when the patient breathes is another kettle of fish entirely | 08:33 |
| fructose | Reset + rate | 08:33 |
| fructose | Manually sync | 08:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Reset? | 08:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah | 08:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Seems doable then | 08:35 |
| fructose | Wrangling some Raspberry Pi's and/or Arduinos seems plausible, also allowing for electronics | 08:35 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah | 08:35 |
| tinwhiskers | My concern would be a reliable pressure valve | 08:37 |
| tinwhiskers | If for some reason the person didn't breath out fully you don't want to pop them | 08:38 |
| fructose | I mean, there are hardware stores | 08:38 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh. Well nothing like that in the hardware stores here, but yes maybe you'd have access to something like that. | 08:39 |
| fructose | 3D printed valves are a thing too | 08:40 |
| tinwhiskers | It's really quite different to most pressure valves because it has to allow for a large volume of air to escape | 08:40 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't think there is a single 3d printer in this entire country. I'm thinking of something very very simple and diy | 08:41 |
| fructose | Well, might aim for a modular system to deal with various constraints | 08:44 |
| tinwhiskers | Like a tube with a leather flap over a hole held in place with rubber bands. | 08:44 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, we do have a lot of diving gear here. Those regulators might be ideal. | 08:45 |
| tinwhiskers | With a diving regulator you wouldn't need to worry about bellows and could just keep pressure up with an air pump like a compressor. | 08:48 |
| tinwhiskers | But they can only assist and not force | 08:49 |
| fructose | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bag_valve_mask#Complications | 08:50 |
| fructose | Some pitfalls | 08:50 |
| tinwhiskers | Hrm. | 08:51 |
| tinwhiskers | Do you think you could fit an endotracheal tube into yourself? | 08:53 |
| tinwhiskers | Eeeek | 08:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:39 UTC: Coronavirus live update: Australia reports first cases of community transmission: Sister of man who returned to Australia from Iran and a medical worker are infected, as Indonesia reports first two cases of virus. Follow the latest news and updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 08:54 |
| fructose | Well, the reason the WHO is talking about stocking up on ventilators is that even hospitals don't have enough | 08:54 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah | 08:54 |
| fructose | I assume if anyone managed to build them, they'd give them to people who already knew how to intubate | 08:55 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh you're planning to build something a medical professional would consider using on a person? | 08:56 |
| fructose | As a last resort | 08:56 |
| fructose | Last resort at the moment seems to be having people use those BVMs manually | 08:57 |
| fructose | Seems plausible to construct something better than that in a lot of places | 08:57 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah, I see | 08:57 |
| tinwhiskers | Sure | 08:57 |
| tinwhiskers | Even if it used a bvm as part of it | 08:58 |
| tinwhiskers | Imagine the feeling of futility pumping away manually on one of those for potentially days. | 08:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 07:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, firmato il nuovo decreto, la parola chiave è droplet. Il Duomo di Milano riapre con molte cautele - Salute & Benessere - Agenzia ANSA → https://is.gd/jnIwUp | 09:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 07:57 UTC: Coronavirus, le ultime notizie in Italia e nel mondo - Corriere della Sera: Coronavirus, le ultime notizie in Italia e nel mondo Corriere della Sera Coronavirus, in Italia stessi contagi della Cina: musei e chiese aperti ma persone a distanza Il Messaggero Salute Coronavirus in Italia: gli ultimi aggiornamenti [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NiRJkK | 09:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live update: UK to hold emergency meeting while Australia reports first community transmission → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 09:43 |
| pwr22 | Hmmm, given the ease of producing a manual system and that we are going to have 80% of people only mildly affected, and so free to pump them, maybe it makes sense? | 09:50 |
| pwr22 | Also, GM everyone | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:57 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates: UK to hold emergency meeting while Australia reports first community transmission → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 10:07 |
| pwr22 | And starting yesterday evening I have a noticeable cough | 10:09 |
| pwr22 | 😟 | 10:09 |
| |daryl| | Where are you from pwr22? | 10:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 09:22 UTC: Coronavirus, le ultime notizie in Italia e nel mondo - Corriere della Sera: Coronavirus, le ultime notizie in Italia e nel mondo Corriere della Sera Coronavirus ultime notizie: oltre 500 nuovi positivi e altre 12 vittime. Iss: «Decisivi i prossimi 7 giorni» Il Sole 24 ORE Coronavirus in Italia: gli ultimi [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NiRJkK | 10:31 |
| pwr22 | Uk | 10:34 |
| pwr22 | Uk | 10:35 |
| theglass | %data Uk | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | theglass: In UK, there are 36 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 8 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 09:32 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | theglass: It's too early to even try to estimate mortality in this area. | 10:36 |
| pwr22 | At least I didn't have a fever when I checked last night | 10:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:32 UTC: What is coronavirus and what should I do if I have symptoms?: What are the symptoms caused by the virus from Wuhan in China, how does it spread, and at what point should you call a doctor? → https://is.gd/KJo046 | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates: UK to hold emergency meeting while Australia reports first community transmission → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 10:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 09:51 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, primo caso a Roma. Un contagio in Sardegna. Il Duomo di Milano riapre con molte cautele - Salute & Benessere - Agenzia ANSA → https://is.gd/jnIwUp | 11:08 |
| Timvde | Has this been posted yet? https://medium.com/@amwren/forget-about-the-death-rate-this-is-why-you-should-be-worried-about-the-coronavirus-890fbf9c4de6 | 11:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:17 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates: UK to hold emergency meeting while Australia reports first community transmission → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 11:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:39 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates: UK holds emergency meeting while Australia reports first community transmission → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 11:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 11:02 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, primo caso a Roma. Un contagio in Sardegna. Il Duomo di Milano riapre con molte cautele - Salute & Benessere - Agenzia ANSA → https://is.gd/jnIwUp | 12:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates: UK holds emergency meeting while Australia reports first community transmission → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 12:34 |
| adventurer | What does [m] mean? | 13:09 |
| theglass | matrix | 13:17 |
| theglass | those nicknames are connecting from a matrix network | 13:17 |
| theglass | bridged with this IRC server | 13:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: global death toll passes 3,000 with more than 88,000 infected – live updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 13:35 |
| python476 | hello again fellow coughers | 13:40 |
| Timvde | I'm not coughing :p | 13:43 |
| python476 | Timvde: don't be jealouse | 13:47 |
| python476 | -e | 13:47 |
| sneep | python476: are you infected? | 13:50 |
| python476 | sneep: no, even though I cannot say for sure | 13:52 |
| python476 | since people in France caught it.. and I went outside, possibility is slightly above 0 | 13:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:41 UTC: Bank of England: Bank of England ready to act as cost of coronavirus mounts → https://is.gd/X2IzUy | 13:59 |
| python476 | https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/ | 14:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:57 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: global death toll passes 3,000 with more than 88,000 infected – live updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 14:12 |
| LjL | %cases france | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In France, there are 130 cases, 2 deaths (1.5% of cases), 12 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 13:00 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 14.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 14:16 |
| LjL | %cases germany | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Germany, there are 150 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 13:00 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: It's too early to even try to estimate mortality in this area. | 14:16 |
| LjL | Good not really morning europe | 14:17 |
| LjL | Also the others | 14:17 |
| LjL | Or maybe, not really good not really morning | 14:17 |
| pwr22 | Hi | 14:19 |
| pwr22 | I've switched back from riotx to riot as my mobile client because the bugs are getting to me | 14:20 |
| pwr22 | It is less good but it works | 14:20 |
| python476 | LjL: hi | 14:21 |
| python476 | pwr22: hi | 14:21 |
| python476 | riotx is an emergency situation messenger ? | 14:21 |
| pwr22 | Ha ha | 14:22 |
| pwr22 | It's a matrix client | 14:22 |
| ubLIX | hello..byefornow | 14:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:14 UTC: Serie A undercard stars but anger grows as postponements pile up | Nicky Bandini: A tally of 16 goals across the two Sunday games able to take place offered relief from conflict, confusion and Coronavirus → https://is.gd/DkmZPf | 14:24 |
| python476 | pwr22: oh god, I forgot about riot | 14:31 |
| python476 | I genuinely thought it was a new thing created for covid u_u | 14:31 |
| LjL | Meh, I just had to switch to mobile data because my router is not resolving names | 14:36 |
| LjL | So much for openwrt being cool! | 14:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 13:29 UTC: Van Cough: submitted by /u/ppcseo to r/CoronaVirusInfo → https://is.gd/rAIvze | 14:36 |
| LjL | Oh wow, an actual reddit post, that's a new one from my stupid bot | 14:41 |
| LjL | Although it doesn't look like an interesting post... | 14:42 |
| LjL | Spec, contingo, theglass: they just said here on a reliable TV programme that 10% of the sick in Lombardy end up in ICUs... And I saw from graphs yesterday that about 40% are hospitalized. As far as I'm aware, those numbers, globally, before Italy at least, were 5% and 15-20% respectively. It seems very concerning we have double... | 14:57 |
| theglass | uhm yes | 14:58 |
| theglass | it seems so | 14:58 |
| theglass | what are ICU anyway? | 14:58 |
| LjL | Unità di terapia intensiva | 14:58 |
| theglass | ah ok | 14:58 |
| LjL | theglass: the programme being Leonardo fyi | 14:58 |
| LjL | But I heard it before anyway, stated less clearly | 14:59 |
| theglass | oh yeah, I watch it everyday | 14:59 |
| LjL | It's on now | 14:59 |
| LjL | Although they've gone back to talking about climate now | 14:59 |
| theglass | but I can't stand so much in the last days.. since it's all about coronavirus | 14:59 |
| LjL | :( | 14:59 |
| theglass | uhm yeah, I'm hearing it | 15:00 |
| theglass | in the distance | 15:00 |
| LjL | Maybe leave here for a while | 15:00 |
| LjL | I was told myself I shouldn't have made the channel :p | 15:00 |
| theglass | you want to leave your own channel? | 15:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 13:52 UTC: Coronavirus, le ultime notizie in Italia e nel mondo - Corriere della Sera: Coronavirus, le ultime notizie in Italia e nel mondo Corriere della Sera La situazione del coronavirus nel mondo Il Post Coronavirus, ultime notizie: sindacati, servono 2mila medici e 5mila infermieri. Oltre 500 nuovi positivi e altre [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NiRJkK | 15:01 |
| LjL | No I won't leave it | 15:01 |
| LjL | I'm telling you maybe you should consider leaving it for a bit if you're too anxious from this | 15:01 |
| LjL | I will just... You know, I AM extremely anxious, but running this channel makes me feel I'm at least doing something about it | 15:02 |
| theglass | No, I'm not | 15:02 |
| LjL | Instead of having no control | 15:02 |
| theglass | not reading is sufficient | 15:02 |
| theglass | :) | 15:02 |
| LjL | Alright | 15:02 |
| LjL | Also lol I highlighted contingo but he wasn't actually here | 15:02 |
| LjL | That's what happens when I don't have a real Tab key | 15:02 |
| contingo | always here in spirit | 15:03 |
| theglass | I mean, I already left in the very beginning if you remember LjL | 15:04 |
| theglass | when the psychosys was increasing | 15:05 |
| LjL | Mhm | 15:05 |
| contingo | I haven't yet read the news today oh boy | 15:05 |
| theglass | now that the psychosis is everywhere it would not make sense | 15:06 |
| LjL | Well contingoz you'll just say "how would I know" but anyway it was | 15:06 |
| theglass | It can be useful indeed | 15:06 |
| LjL | they just said here on a reliable TV programme that 10% of the sick in Lombardy end up in ICUs... And I saw from graphs yesterday that about 40% are hospitalized. As far as I'm aware, those numbers, globally, before Italy at least, were 5% and 15-20% respectively. It seems very concerning we have double.. | 15:06 |
| contingo | message the programme editors | 15:06 |
| LjL | contingo, i guess i can tweet them, probably | 15:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:54 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: global death toll passes 3,000 with more than 88,000 infected – live updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 15:13 |
| LjL | Spec, North Korea appears to have launched two "projectiles" (or missiles, little specific information so far) that triggered seismometers somehow, and landed in the waters between South Korea and Japan | 15:21 |
| LjL | Spec, i said that vultures would take advantage of this situation to make war, didn't i? first Erdogan, now this | 15:21 |
| LjL | "American officials have played down previous missile launches this year, saying they were short-range weapons. " | 15:22 |
| LjL | A U.S. State Department spokesman said: “We are aware of reports of a North Korean missile launch. We are continuing to monitor the situation and consulting closely with our allies in Japan and South Korea.” | 15:22 |
| LjL | “Objects that appeared to be ballistic missiles were launched from North Korea,” Japan’s defense ministry said in a statement. “They did not land within our territory.” | 15:22 |
| LjL | An American air base at Misawa, 1,130 km (700 miles) north of Tokyo, posted a “real world missile alert” and urged personnel to seek shelter, before later issuing an “all clear”. | 15:22 |
| theglass | oh | 15:24 |
| theglass | oh no | 15:24 |
| theglass | I just finished to watch a 19-episode series on visiting North Korea | 15:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:12 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: four new cases detected in England, taking UK total to 40 – live updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 15:25 |
| theglass | I was really about changing my mind | 15:25 |
| theglass | I was that close | 15:25 |
| theglass | no, I'm joking anyway.. I only watched the 19th | 15:26 |
| theglass | just to discover that it was the last | 15:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:47 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: two patients die in France as four new cases detected in England – live updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 16:02 |
| |daryl| | preview : https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 16:02 |
| |daryl| | preview : Coronavirus: two patients die in France as four new cases detected in England | 16:02 |
| |daryl| | preview : – live updates | World news | The Guardian | 16:02 |
| |daryl| | preview : South Korea reports almost 500 new cases and a second person dies in the US as UK ministers hold emergency meeting | 16:02 |
| |daryl| | preview : Coronavirus outbreak,China,Australia news,Japan,Italy,South Korea,Asia Pacific,Europe,Science,World news | 16:02 |
| LjL | theglass, err, that's a bit verbose | 16:08 |
| LjL | and unnecessary | 16:08 |
| LjL | Brainstorm gives link titles by just calling %title (either on a link, or alone for the last link given), i think that's sufficient | 16:09 |
| theglass | uhm yes yes, I have just set a notice level to private | 16:10 |
| theglass | they're directed to me now | 16:10 |
| LjL | alright | 16:10 |
| contingo | https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583 | 16:11 |
| theglass | <contingo> https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583 | 16:11 |
| theglass | [|daryl|] preview : https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583 | 16:11 |
| theglass | [|daryl|] preview : Vitamin D supplementation to prevent acute respiratory tract infections: | 16:11 |
| theglass | [|daryl|] preview : systematic review and meta-analysis of individual participant data | The BMJ | 16:11 |
| LjL | contingo, well i'm taking some vitamin D on a daily basis and so is my mother | 16:11 |
| LjL | i had stopped when it was sunny and i went out decent amounts of time | 16:11 |
| LjL | but i've resumed now | 16:11 |
| LjL | but the subtype of D, and the amounts... i need to look it up | 16:12 |
| theglass | I should take the keywords off of the preview | 16:13 |
| theglass | it's a bit lengthy | 16:13 |
| LjL | vitamin D dosing regimen (daily or weekly without bolus dosing versus a regimen including at least one bolus dose of at least 30 000 IU vitamin D), dose size (daily equivalent <800 IU, 800-1999 IU, ≥2000 IU) | 16:13 |
| LjL | i think my mom took some initial high doses, but i didn't, now we both take... i think it is definitely <800 IU per day | 16:13 |
| LjL | but probably around that | 16:14 |
| LjL | maybe 400 | 16:14 |
| contingo | let's see... I have some D3 | 16:18 |
| contingo | and it's 1000iu | 16:18 |
| LjL | i can't look now because the floor to the kitchen is freshly mopped | 16:18 |
| contingo | and I've been getting zero sunlight | 16:19 |
| contingo | so I've been necking them when not necking high vitamin D foodstuffs | 16:19 |
| LjL | contingo, fwiw the NHS recommends D supplementation for *everyone* between the months of... november and april i think | 16:19 |
| LjL | (other governments definitely don't, not ours anyway) | 16:19 |
| LjL | (also not the CDC iirc) | 16:20 |
| BubuIIC1 | <LjL "(other governments definitely do"> I've heard that here as well (Germany). Not sure if it's an official government recommendation though> | 16:22 |
| LjL | BubuIIC1, oh hi. well i didn't mean *all* other governments, just some i'd looked at | 16:23 |
| LjL | anyway it seems kinda sensible to me | 16:24 |
| LjL | vitamin D deficiency is apparently very common | 16:24 |
| LjL | and unless you're somewhere with sun all through winter, it's nearly assured for some diets | 16:24 |
| pwr22 | Think it's part of the multivitamin I take | 16:24 |
| LjL | uh, Synapsestorm joining *now* is a bit random | 16:28 |
| theglass | he heard he has a new friend | 16:28 |
| pwr22 | Is the matrix @Brainstorm:matrix.org also a bot? | 16:39 |
| python476 | hoi back | 16:44 |
| python476 | just came back from the mall | 16:45 |
| python476 | shelves are doing a remake of USSR | 16:45 |
| ubLX | which country? | 16:46 |
| LjL | ubLX, did Brainstorm message you | 16:46 |
| LjL | i guess not, you and your unregistered nicknames | 16:47 |
| ubLX | Brainstorm did indeed | 16:47 |
| ubLX | "why thank you, Brainstorm, I saw a link to that article, and will read it momentarily" | 16:47 |
| ubLX | HEY my nick is registered! | 16:48 |
| python476 | ubLX: I will not reveal my data ! but it's somewhere between italy belgium spain and lots of water | 16:49 |
| LjL | oh okay | 16:49 |
| ubLX | LjL: some light relief: "Scientists Are Starting to Take Warp Drives Seriously": https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-are-starting-to-take-warp-drives-seriously-especially-this-one-concept | 16:49 |
| LjL | ubLX, he's too busy eating snails | 16:49 |
| python476 | anyway, no more alcohol hand cleaning solution | 16:49 |
| ubLX | "Scientists also estimate that the total energy requirement would be equivalent to the mass of Jupiter." | 16:49 |
| LjL | python476, make it | 16:49 |
| LjL | python476, our pharmacies make it now | 16:50 |
| python476 | LjL: BS. we eat frogs.. we have high standards | 16:50 |
| ubLX | ^ so.. it's just an engineering problem now :D | 16:50 |
| python476 | LjL: make a youtube tutorial and enjoy the money | 16:50 |
| LjL | python476, no WE eat frogs. el ranàtt el vend i ran | 16:50 |
| python476 | sorry i don't speak german | 16:50 |
| LjL | python476, it's really easy afaik, 60% to 70% alcohol (ideally ethanol, isopropyl if you can't find ethanol), 30% water, and whatever remains, glycerine to moisten and to make it gelly. add various oils if you want it flavored and smoother to the skin. there are many recipes you can find already | 16:51 |
| ubLX | *cough* 70% *cough* | 16:52 |
| python476 | so how to make ethanol, I don't have yeasts | 16:52 |
| python476 | should we bath in whiskey ? | 16:52 |
| ubLX | ^ maybe reduce contact time requirement ever so slightly | 16:52 |
| LjL | Currently, scientists believe that the only way to maintain the negative energy density required to produce the bubble is through exotic matter. Scientists also estimate that the total energy requirement would be equivalent to the mass of Jupiter. | 16:54 |
| LjL | However, this represents a significant drop from earlier energy estimates, which claimed that it would take an energy mass equivalent to the entire Universe. | 16:54 |
| LjL | oh okay then clearly we can do it! | 16:54 |
| LjL | ubLX, why are you coughing at 70%? | 16:55 |
| ubLX | trying to conserve energy | 16:55 |
| LjL | python476, well that part i have no idea about, so i won't get rich on youtube. but in some countries pure ethanol is available | 16:55 |
| LjL | python476, otherwise just take your worst wines | 16:55 |
| LjL | they scrape the throat good enough, they should work for hands too | 16:55 |
| LjL | maybe they'll remove a bit of skin too but meh | 16:55 |
| ubLX | wait, most wines are about 15% | 16:56 |
| ubLX | most vodkas are.. what? about 40% | 16:56 |
| ubLX | you could evaporate the alcohol off cheap vodka to concentrate it | 16:56 |
| LjL | or really just buy isopropyl instead | 16:57 |
| ubLX | but yes surely ethanol is available for sale somewhere | 16:57 |
| python476 | LJL lets turn acetic acid into ethanol | 16:57 |
| LjL | contingo is a bit concerned due to the toxicity of isopropyl but you're just getting it onto your hands for a second and then it evaporates, if it's done correctly... | 16:57 |
| python476 | ubLX: how subtle is evaporating strong liquors ? a simple pot and 50-100degC heat for 10 minutes ? | 16:58 |
| ubLX | no idea, but an hour of googling ought to tell you - key point: it's the alcohol that will be evaporating - so you need to collect the vapour, not the residue | 16:59 |
| LjL | or just hit "Add to cart" on some isopropyl | 16:59 |
| LjL | just saying | 16:59 |
| python476 | ubLX: damn distillate | 16:59 |
| python476 | LjL: thought about that | 16:59 |
| python476 | let's see if amazon still exists | 16:59 |
| LjL | it kinda does, but don't expect to find face masks for less than hundreds... | 17:00 |
| ubLX | maybe if you buy 5000 snails you can get some IPA for free? | 17:00 |
| LjL | ubLX, the latest gourmet dish is snails that have been eaten by frogs | 17:00 |
| LjL | and in this exceptional circumstances | 17:00 |
| LjL | dry pasta wins. we win. | 17:01 |
| LjL | except we're dying at alarming rates | 17:01 |
| ubLX | frogs that have been eaten by snails have a certain nicer.. je ne sais quoi | 17:01 |
| python476 | forget bitcoin, n95 is the investment | 17:01 |
| LjL | well i have some bitcoin, but definitely no n95 | 17:02 |
| LjL | %wa 1 btc in eur | 17:02 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (convert ฿1 (bitcoin) to euros): Result: €7747.93 (euros) (28. February 2020) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1+btc+in+eur | 17:02 |
| LjL | crap it went down | 17:02 |
| LjL | i was expecting it to go up! | 17:02 |
| python476 | not yet | 17:02 |
| LjL | it touched 9k | 17:02 |
| ubLX | this guide dwells on the point that even healthy people will experience difficulty breathing through an N95, and may suffer O2 saturation drops, and CO2 concentration, with long term use: https://www.hongkongfp.com/2020/03/02/coronavirus-definitive-guide-buying-using-face-masks-viral-immunologist/ | 17:03 |
| python476 | it topped at 10500, 7500-7000 may be the new floor | 17:03 |
| LjL | :( | 17:03 |
| LjL | i should have sold sold sold | 17:03 |
| python476 | ubLX: apparently n95 is as effective as FPP2, is it different name for same mesh size or not ? | 17:03 |
| python476 | LjL: I consider time to prepare for buying | 17:04 |
| LjL | N95 is a term used in north america, FPPx seems to be the one used in Europe | 17:04 |
| ubLX | not sure, python476. i am not well versed in all things face-masky | 17:04 |
| python476 | LjL: ok | 17:04 |
| python476 | another googling matter | 17:04 |
| LjL | i've not looked at it in too much detail | 17:04 |
| LjL | since... i can't find any type anyway | 17:04 |
| python476 | but it could be a nice trick if people only look after n95 | 17:05 |
| python476 | some fpp2 stock might be sitting because people just don't look for that ter | 17:05 |
| python476 | tern | 17:05 |
| python476 | term* | 17:05 |
| LjL | but they do... they are referred to by media often enough in italy | 17:05 |
| LjL | and keep in mind amazon stocks are mostly EU-wide | 17:05 |
| LjL | if it says "only 3 left" in italy, it says the same in france | 17:05 |
| ubLX | in my aforelinked guide, they suggest that properly used high-quality surgical masks can be as effective in practise as N95 masks, in some circumstances | 17:05 |
| LjL | they deliver from wherever is most convenient | 17:06 |
| LjL | ubLX, i suspect surgical masks are effective, for a few reasons | 17:06 |
| python476 | new tuto: make micrometric porous film on youtube | 17:06 |
| LjL | it's true they don't stop the virus from getting in | 17:06 |
| LjL | but that's not all there is to it | 17:06 |
| LjL | but... again... i can't find *even* surgical masks. the thing is, not even surgeons can | 17:06 |
| LjL | the head of civil protection promised they have 5 million masks on the way | 17:06 |
| ubLX | LjL: they will significantly hinder the virus getting in, if used properly | 17:07 |
| LjL | but for now, they've distributed 20000 to people at risk | 17:07 |
| LjL | which is less than 5 million | 17:07 |
| LjL | ubLX, well i don't know about that, i do find it plausible. but also they stop you from touching your face. might make things worse when wet, though (but so do N95) | 17:07 |
| ubLX | but isn't it true that they're main use case is to prevent infections getting out, not in? | 17:07 |
| LjL | and there is 90% humidity today so ;( | 17:07 |
| ubLX | *their | 17:08 |
| LjL | ubLX, right, which means if we had enough to *all* wear them, they would be useful for everybody | 17:08 |
| LjL | yay collectivity thinking? | 17:08 |
| LjL | but we aren't china, we aren't japan, obviously | 17:08 |
| python476 | IPA is around 9e per L on amazon | 17:08 |
| LjL | i paid €15 ;( | 17:08 |
| LjL | well there were cheaper ones to be fair | 17:08 |
| LjL | i just got the 5-star thing | 17:09 |
| LjL | because who cares | 17:09 |
| ubLX | make sure you don't accidentally buy 90% IPA, unless you enjoy diluting preparations | 17:09 |
| LjL | it's not a lot of money | 17:09 |
| python476 | LjL: 5 stars on amazon these days.. you know :D | 17:09 |
| python476 | ubLX: yeah 99.99% (allegedly) | 17:09 |
| LjL | python476, yes, it's such a headache. but i did feed them to reviewmeta | 17:10 |
| LjL | it said they were mostly okay | 17:10 |
| python476 | good job | 17:10 |
| LjL | python476, hagglezon is also good to know about | 17:11 |
| LjL | after curiua died | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 16:07 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, 500 contagi in poche ore. L'Oms: "Si può contenere. Ancora non è pandemia" - La Repubblica → https://is.gd/9h3yN1 | 17:11 |
| LjL | 500... | 17:11 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Italy, there are 1704 cases, 41 deaths (2.4% of cases), 83 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 16:00 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.8% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 33.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 17:11 |
| LjL | so really 2100? | 17:12 |
| python476 | curiua ? | 17:12 |
| ubLX | sigh. just home from the shops (where i bought a broadband vitamin supplement). now i have to go out and buy a vit-D supplement. thx LjL | 17:12 |
| python476 | damn I lost my web fu | 17:12 |
| LjL | python476, look at hagglezon, curiua was a site that did pretty much the exact same thing | 17:12 |
| python476 | yeah I knew none of them, thanks | 17:12 |
| LjL | ubLX, not a supplement, just buy vitamin D suspended in oils. it tastes terrible, eat it with some other fats | 17:13 |
| LjL | it is best assimilated with fats | 17:13 |
| ubLX | ^ i just read that exact recommendation on hacker news | 17:13 |
| python476 | ubLX: I was about to copy the hn url | 17:13 |
| LjL | i can go look at how many IU i get now, i think | 17:13 |
| python476 | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22463713 <= | 17:14 |
| python476 | just in case | 17:14 |
| ubLX | :D | 17:14 |
| ubLX | hive mine ftw | 17:14 |
| ubLX | *hive mind ftw | 17:14 |
| LjL | contingo, okay i take 1000 UI of D a day | 17:14 |
| LjL | i think that's a reasonable amount for the study's purposes | 17:15 |
| LjL | it's typically four drops of the thing | 17:15 |
| contingo | Italy does everything in drops | 17:15 |
| LjL | %wik cholecalciferol | 17:15 |
| LjL | i take it in this form | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: Cholecalciferol, also known as vitamin D3 and colecalciferol, is a type of vitamin D which is made by the skin when exposed to sunlight; it is also found in some foods and can be taken as a dietary supplement. It is used to treat and prevent vitamin D deficiency and associated diseases, including [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholecalciferol | 17:15 |
| LjL | contingo, we can't swallow pills, it's hard! | 17:15 |
| python476 | ubLX: with climate change we may be living in mines in the future | 17:16 |
| python476 | %help | 17:16 |
| Brainstorm | python476: Hi, I am LjL's bot! Say %modules or %commands to me in private to see my features. | 17:16 |
| python476 | %commands | 17:17 |
| Brainstorm | python476, all exposed commands: act, anagrams, ask, bible, book, bug, commands, count, dick, echo, evaluate, geo, grammar, greet, help, language_code, language_identify, languages, last, link_get, link_put, lojban, modules, morphology, onelook, phonology_change, ping, pronunciation, search, seen, spell, spell2, stock, subscribe [... want %more?] (try %help <command>, or %modules for a directory) | 17:17 |
| LjL | no h4xoring my bot | 17:17 |
| python476 | nice bot | 17:17 |
| python476 | just getting to know him | 17:17 |
| LjL | the main thing it does that's actually useful somewhat is | 17:17 |
| LjL | https://twitter.com/BrainstormBot | 17:17 |
| LjL | also on reddit | 17:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:11 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: two patients die in France as four new cases detected in England – live updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 17:17 |
| python476 | before marrying him | 17:17 |
| LjL | fair dealing | 17:17 |
| LjL | he's engaged with me tho | 17:18 |
| ubLX | python476: bit of a hail mary hope, but there are folk developing industrial chemistry plant to remove CO2 from the atmosphere at scale - fingers crossed | 17:19 |
| ubLX | for example: https://carbonengineering.com/ | 17:20 |
| python476 | thanks | 17:20 |
| ubLX | based in British Columbia, Canada | 17:20 |
| python476 | i'm still betting on CO2 hungry aliens coming to rob our atmosphere but thanks | 17:20 |
| python476 | while we're on links, https://www.right-basedonscience.de/ are trying to add Carbon pricing to companies business models | 17:21 |
| contingo | why wouldn't they just go to Venus | 17:21 |
| python476 | venus is co2 friendly ? | 17:22 |
| contingo | our atmosphere is 0.04% CO2 | 17:23 |
| python476 | well, aliens like drama (based on extensive review of studies by the university of hollywood boulevard) so they'll come where there are lifeforms to threaten | 17:23 |
| contingo | Venus's atmosphere is 96.5% CO2 | 17:23 |
| python476 | damn son | 17:24 |
| python476 | the rest is what ? CO3 ? | 17:24 |
| contingo | nitrogen mostly | 17:24 |
| python476 | (nitrogen according to yes) | 17:24 |
| python476 | if only elon musk could dig a tunnel to ship our co2 to venus | 17:25 |
| contingo | but the low amount of sulfur dioxide is enough to produce acid rainstorm weather systems so | 17:25 |
| contingo | it's not pleasant there | 17:25 |
| ubLX | yes, the probes we send there measure their survival time in hours (if they even make it to the surface) | 17:26 |
| contingo | I think carbon trioxide only exists momentarily? | 17:26 |
| python476 | everything exists temporarily I say | 17:29 |
| python476 | #quantumflucuator | 17:29 |
| contingo | deep | 17:35 |
| ns0s[m] | https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/f5-tower-in-downtown-seattle-tower-closes-over-coronavirus-concerns/ | 17:35 |
| contingo | I'm here to stay, personally | 17:35 |
| python476 | someone puts this on planet earth https://cdn0.iconfinder.com/data/icons/black-friday-glyph/2048/1082_-_Closed_Tag-512.png | 17:47 |
| LjL | i've been sent some recommendations in italian that look... well, they look more okay than other things i've seen | 18:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 16:54 UTC: (news): L'Oms: 'Il coronavirus si può contenere. Ancora non è pandemia' - Salute & Benessere - Agenzia ANSA → https://is.gd/jnIwUp | 18:07 |
| LjL | what do you think of this? https://is.gd/q7E9pE i think it's mostly reasonable suggestions, but i have some doubts about the temperature thing and especially "all masks will do", which seems like an oversimplification, although i do suspect surgical masks can be useful. then the exact amount of time they say the virus survives on metal and non-metal are a bit too... exact, but i believe it's a good point to make | 18:08 |
| theglass | uhm | 18:10 |
| LjL | spelling "corona virus" isn't encouraging | 18:15 |
| LjL | it comes from http://www.trombosi.org/ | 18:16 |
| ubLX | "You can gargle with a disinfectant solution ..." - i'm sure it's just the translation but this is not something you should say to an English speaker | 18:17 |
| LjL | hmm, they probably mean chlorexidine-containing mouth rinses | 18:18 |
| LjL | but it doesn't sound great in italian either | 18:18 |
| ubLX | "The virus crown is quite large (diameter about 400-500 nanometers) so any type of mask can stop it: ..." - uhm | 18:18 |
| LjL | if you aren't specific, people will do all sorts of terrible things | 18:18 |
| LjL | ubLX, yeah that's the part that perplexes me the most | 18:18 |
| LjL | no mask actually blocks the virions themselves afaik | 18:18 |
| LjL | they can stop droplets containing them | 18:19 |
| ubLX | "but you may have the sensation of drowning: in this case, contact your doctor immediately." - yikes | 18:20 |
| LjL | reassuring | 18:20 |
| ubLX | i wonder if most folk will have called the doctor long before progressing to the sensation of drowning stage | 18:20 |
| LjL | ubLX, it's kind of hard to decide when to make the call with this thing i suspect | 18:21 |
| LjL | you call for a flu, you end up actually infected with covid in the ER | 18:21 |
| LjL | you call too late, and, well | 18:21 |
| ubLX | right, but pneumonia progressed enough to be unmistakable = "hospital for you, my friend" | 18:23 |
| ubLX | but IANAD | 18:23 |
| LjL | yeah | 18:23 |
| LjL | but then there are people prone to panic | 18:23 |
| LjL | and when those have a panic attack, it's *normal* for them to feel like they're about to die | 18:23 |
| LjL | and knowing you can get covid, and getting symptoms *similar* to covid, may easily trigger a panic attack | 18:24 |
| LjL | and i think going to the ER for a panic attack might be a common way to fuck yourself up now | 18:24 |
| LjL | pardon my french, python476 | 18:24 |
| ubLX | i will make a guess or two here | 18:24 |
| LjL | ubLX, good | 18:24 |
| LjL | ubLX, unsaid things speak a lot | 18:25 |
| pwr22 | I went to the ER recently for really high blood pressure | 18:26 |
| pwr22 | If I've picked up the virus anywhere it'll be there | 18:26 |
| pwr22 | 🤦♂️ | 18:26 |
| pwr22 | In other news, I'm planning to go swimming later | 18:26 |
| pwr22 | Things seems to be generally business as usual here | 18:27 |
| ubLX | i suspect panic attack related perceptions of imminent death might tend to have a quality of non-specificness (at least after the fact, when introspected on) - or suggestive (to the victim) of heart-attack related feelings | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:15 UTC: EU raises risk of coronavirus infection as global deaths pass 3,000: Indonesia, Russia, Ireland, Portugal, Jordan, Iceland, Saudia Arabia and Andorra all confirm first cases → https://is.gd/tAx0b2 | 18:27 |
| ubLX | i think the drowning in your own fluids sensations of pneumonia and, say, congestive heart failure, might be quite a different sensation altogether | 18:28 |
| ubLX | not that the typical panic attack sufferer can be expected to know what drowning feels like, but still | 18:28 |
| ubLX | (i have scant experience of panic attacks, but some similar personal experience of respiratory distress, and i was there over months to see grandfather succumb to congestive heart failure) | 18:30 |
| LjL | yay :( | 18:32 |
| python476 | hi back | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:31 UTC: Tokyo Olympic Games 2020: The spectre of a cancelled Olympics belongs to a different, scarier world | Jonathan Liew → https://is.gd/NCXrsY | 18:39 |
| python476 | pwr22: let's all swim in IPA filled pools | 18:39 |
| pwr22 | Ha, on the ipa front | 18:41 |
| pwr22 | I have a bottle and I occasionally use it to disinfect my hands | 18:41 |
| pwr22 | It's 99.9% and I have generally sensitive skin | 18:41 |
| pwr22 | But nothing bad has happened and I'm not dead yet | 18:41 |
| pwr22 | So that's my anecdote on toxicity | 18:41 |
| python476 | pwr22: how much dillution ? also what brand please (and thanks for the report soldier) | 18:42 |
| pwr22 | It's not diluted at all though I expect some evaporation has happened | 18:43 |
| pwr22 | It was just whatever was highly rated on Amazon | 18:43 |
| ubLX | pwr22: maybe dilute it: https://blog.gotopac.com/2017/05/15/why-is-70-isopropyl-alcohol-ipa-a-better-disinfectant-than-99-isopropanol-and-what-is-ipa-used-for/ | 18:43 |
| pwr22 | I just pour it on my hands and rub it all over lol | 18:43 |
| python476 | 99% alcohol, you must be clean :D | 18:44 |
| python476 | your skin doctor loves you | 18:44 |
| LjL | pwr22, toxicity is probably hard to achieve but you'll dry your hands. even if it doesn't bother you it actually does make it easier for germs to stick around | 18:45 |
| LjL | the toxicity story was about a woman who repeatedly *soaked* her hand into pure IPA for a while | 18:45 |
| LjL | then she turned insane. then she stopped doing it, and she turned... well, she was still insane obviously, or she wouldn't have dont that | 18:45 |
| pwr22 | Probably a wise idea of I make my own handgel 😁 | 18:47 |
| pwr22 | I got this stuff to use as a solvent, specifically for cleaning thermal paste from a CPU die | 18:48 |
| pwr22 | I relidded my i7 6700k to deal with thermal issues | 18:48 |
| pwr22 | It's got liquid metal in there now | 18:49 |
| python476 | nice | 18:50 |
| LjL | i wouldn't use semi-unknown things... | 18:51 |
| LjL | it's still easy to obtain the "normal" ingredients | 18:51 |
| python476 | I need to repaste a few cpus (trivial compared to you) | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 17:37 UTC: Coronavirus, le ultime notizie in Italia e nel mondo - Corriere della Sera: Coronavirus, le ultime notizie in Italia e nel mondo Corriere della Sera La situazione del coronavirus nel mondo Il Post Coronavirus ultime notizie: Italia: 258 nuovi contagi, 66 guarigioni e 18 nuove vittime. In Lombardia 38 morti Il [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NiRJkK | 18:52 |
| python476 | my nose feels runey/feverey | 18:53 |
| python476 | any tips on how to help your system in case of infection btw ? | 18:54 |
| python476 | beside vitamin d | 18:54 |
| pwr22 | <python476 "I need to repaste a few cpus (tr"> I tried that a few times before figuring out one for ran 25c hotter than all the rest under load | 18:54 |
| pwr22 | Now fans never leave minimum | 18:54 |
| pwr22 | I think if you nose is runny it's probably not covid | 18:55 |
| python476 | damn viruses, all conspiring to make us sick at the same time so we don't know what is what | 18:55 |
| LjL | some people will just always be unshaken | 19:00 |
| LjL | people and even organizations | 19:00 |
| LjL | <some nickname> LjL, you were pledging that people stop saying it's a flu, but infectiologists in Nice say it's essentially that, just very contagious (meaning way more saturation of hospitals) | 19:00 |
| LjL | <LjL> right, just very contagious, also with much higher fatality rate that changes in many different ways depending on the country, still studying the strain, and 20% require hospitalization making the strain on healthcare much worse than a flu | 19:00 |
| LjL | <LjL> ... but other than that, sure, you have a fever and join aches | 19:00 |
| LjL | <LjL> just like a flu | 19:00 |
| LjL | python476, a runny nose is usually a sign it's *not* covid | 19:00 |
| LjL | there are many pretty nasty colds around | 19:01 |
| LjL | sadly, they don't make things any easier | 19:01 |
| contingo | mine seems to be finally abating | 19:01 |
| contingo | for awhile my sneezing was synchronized with my neighbor's | 19:01 |
| LjL | 52 dead in italy | 19:02 |
| LjL | i missed the count of cases | 19:02 |
| LjL | but she said 250ish more than yesterday | 19:02 |
| LjL | %covid italy | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Italy, there are 2036 cases, 52 deaths (2.6% of cases), 149 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 17:30 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.9% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 25.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 17:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Borrelli, in Italia 1.835 ammalati e 52 morti. L'Oms: 'Ancora non è pandemia' - Salute & Benessere - Agenzia ANSA → https://is.gd/jnIwUp | 19:04 |
| contingo | it's still so uncanny | 19:06 |
| LjL | <same nickname> the fatality rate is harder to compare given it's not the same age ranges / populations who are affected, it seems | 19:06 |
| LjL | <LjL> well, that's another big difference, so yeah | 19:06 |
| contingo | what date did you found this channel? | 19:06 |
| LjL | really when people are convinced of something (sometimes by "higher authorities" like in this case) they can't see the contradictions in their own words | 19:06 |
| LjL | contingo, before the italy thing started, it was ##2019-ncov initially | 19:07 |
| LjL | so january 27 | 19:07 |
| theglass | 52 are a lot | 19:07 |
| LjL | well, it's still 2.6% mortality, was 2.5% yesterday, at least it's not 3.0% | 19:07 |
| theglass | when did they rise to 52? they were 35 by noon | 19:07 |
| theglass | at noon* | 19:08 |
| python476 | LjL: it's not runny it's job slightly tingly and weird | 19:09 |
| python476 | but i'm also quite hypocondriac | 19:09 |
| python476 | maybe it's just hallucination | 19:09 |
| contingo | I remember chatting to you about this quite a few days before then, when you had vague anxiety and it was a potential spectre on the far horizon | 19:09 |
| python476 | and none of you exist | 19:09 |
| python476 | i need a stupid car mechanic formation | 19:10 |
| pwr22 | If I'm just a hallucination then I've got a lot of mental anguish for one 🤔 | 19:12 |
| LjL | python476, sometimes tingling is quite a symptom of extreme anxiety | 19:13 |
| LjL | theglass, 18 new in a day apparently, what can i say | 19:13 |
| python476 | pwr22: I like to project my own mental issues onto my creations. | 19:13 |
| LjL | contingo, yeah, then it came like a train and me on the tracks | 19:14 |
| contingo | my friend think it's spooky | 19:14 |
| LjL | which is kind of what i feel when i try to convince parents/sister to behave in certain ways | 19:14 |
| contingo | friends* | 19:14 |
| contingo | lol | 19:14 |
| LjL | like we're all on the tracks and i say "MOVE!" | 19:14 |
| LjL | and they say "pffff the train is still some meters away" | 19:14 |
| contingo | that I have this hypochondria-prone chat pal discussing the virus with me from the beginning and making a dedicated channel, and then his backyard became the raging epicentre of all Europe | 19:15 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh | 19:16 |
| tinwhiskers | Morning folks | 19:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: two patients die in France as four new cases detected in England – live updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 19:16 |
| LjL | contingo, you can tell your friend i agree, it's spooky as fuck, and sometimes i imagine i'm inside a lab experiment on hypochondria | 19:16 |
| LjL | hi tinwhiskers | 19:16 |
| contingo | greetings tinwhiskers | 19:16 |
| python476 | contingo: you were all talking about this since long ago ? | 19:16 |
| python476 | hi metalicmoustache | 19:16 |
| LjL | python476, well, since a fair amount of time | 19:17 |
| tinwhiskers | :-p | 19:17 |
| LjL | but also i already knew contingo | 19:17 |
| python476 | see, this is clearly a fantasy, you all knew each other, conspirators | 19:17 |
| python476 | jk | 19:17 |
| tinwhiskers | I'be been trying to figure out where I know LjL and Brainstorm from but I'm just not quite sure. | 19:18 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, lol | 19:19 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i think it's ##English | 19:19 |
| tinwhiskers | But brainstorm isn't in there | 19:20 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, did he used to be? | 19:20 |
| python476 | brb | 19:20 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yes | 19:21 |
| contingo | analogously, LjL, sometimes I imagine London being still relatively untroubled is down to me personally being chill | 19:21 |
| tinwhiskers | Ahhh. Right. | 19:21 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, it was the resident bot until i threw a fit against the way the channel was managed and the ops (to which i belonged for about... one day) | 19:21 |
| contingo | like we are the focal points for an interdimensional spiritual battle between the gods of chill and stress physically manifested in the virus | 19:22 |
| contingo | but a lot goes on in my imagination | 19:22 |
| python476 | contingo.cpufreq-- | 19:23 |
| fructose | Anyone know of data on the testing rate and test kit production rate? | 19:23 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yes, that all makes sense now. | 19:23 |
| LjL | contingo, a lot more goes on in my imagination than in my reality | 19:24 |
| LjL | in more than one way | 19:24 |
| python476 | we're all in a simulation anyway | 19:24 |
| LjL | elon musk said so, so it must be true | 19:24 |
| LjL | just like bill gates started this pandemic! | 19:24 |
| ubLX | lol tinwhiskers, what rock were you hiding under when LjL was in ##English? | 19:25 |
| LjL | haha | 19:25 |
| LjL | maybe he was subconsciously avoiding the DRAMA | 19:25 |
| LjL | there are people like that, strangely enough, they function better | 19:25 |
| tinwhiskers | ubLX: heh. I remember LjL from there but the bot was confusing me. Now I recall I was sad when LjL left. Senior moment. | 19:26 |
| LjL | :( | 19:27 |
| tinwhiskers | Now my bot is the resident bot and I'm an old there :-/ | 19:27 |
| tinwhiskers | *op there | 19:28 |
| LjL | i think everybody acted a bit shitty at the time, me of course included | 19:28 |
| LjL | well there were many ops added that were terrible people | 19:28 |
| LjL | was a reason i left | 19:28 |
| LjL | :P | 19:28 |
| LjL | i see you're the juniorest still | 19:28 |
| tinwhiskers | I think most of that occurred in the op channel. In the main channel I think there was a bit of surprise that you were leaving | 19:28 |
| LjL | like say i see Spec, Autoclesis and LuisR14 still in there. and kimchi. can't stand those people, sheesh | 19:28 |
| tinwhiskers | I can understand that | 19:29 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well part of the whole strongarming had to do with whether i was supposed to discuss the situation in -ops, or i could do it publicly because the channel belonged to everyone and i wasn't the only one unhappy with some things | 19:29 |
| LjL | they did everything they could to stop me from making it a discussion the whole channel could have | 19:30 |
| tinwhiskers | I see | 19:30 |
| LjL | just so you know i was completely kidding about those people | 19:30 |
| LjL | pretty much exclude those, and you have the ones i really resent | 19:30 |
| LjL | except you, you weren't an op | 19:30 |
| tinwhiskers | Right | 19:31 |
| contingo | there was always so much drama in the ##English op scene lol | 19:33 |
| tinwhiskers | contingo: oh, were you an op there too? | 19:34 |
| tinwhiskers | I have such a terrible memory | 19:34 |
| ubLX | was minor tragedy | 19:34 |
| ubLX | ##English could have been glorious | 19:34 |
| ubLX | (to the extent that's possible for an irc channel) | 19:34 |
| contingo | it was OK when the founder used to be around Bristol/Bath and hang out irl with etotheipi and all the ops were connected irl | 19:35 |
| contingo | no tinwhiskers, I have provided meta-op services for about ten years | 19:35 |
| contingo | counselling and therapy and mediation | 19:35 |
| LjL | i also was a much better op when i wasn't an op | 19:35 |
| contingo | lol | 19:35 |
| ubLX | oh i came in long away twey became only a myth | 19:35 |
| ubLX | away>after | 19:36 |
| tinwhiskers | Lol | 19:36 |
| LjL | and also when i didn't have a bot to wield as something i could withdraw if ops didn't do what i wanted | 19:36 |
| LjL | that didn't play out great | 19:36 |
| LjL | i do have ##language, if anybody cares (it's not about english per se though) | 19:36 |
| LjL | it's okay if i advertise my channels in my channels, right? | 19:36 |
| LjL | it's only bad in other people's channels? i'm not good at this | 19:37 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh | 19:37 |
| Howardbot[m] | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8026293/US-scientists-completed-coronavirus-vaccine.html | 19:37 |
| LjL | Howardbot[m], it's the daily mail so it for sure means they haven't | 19:37 |
| contingo | I declined ops in ##English because all the ops there seemed traumatized by being ops there | 19:37 |
| tinwhiskers | Wow | 19:37 |
| contingo | ##cats is safer. idk about this place | 19:37 |
| LjL | contingo, clever | 19:37 |
| Howardbot[m] | f5 tower in downtown seattle is closed today https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/f5-tower-in-downtown-seattle-tower-closes-over-coronavirus-concerns/ | 19:37 |
| LjL | contingo, cats are almost as cute as viruses | 19:37 |
| Howardbot[m] | https://www.sosvox.org/en/petition/china-is-executing-pets-to-stop-coronavirus-stop-this-madness.html | 19:38 |
| python476 | aka legged sneks | 19:38 |
| contingo | oh, remember vragnaroda, was it? | 19:38 |
| LjL | gnnnnnh | 19:38 |
| LjL | and then slidercrank's gang | 19:39 |
| LjL | of homophobic russian troublemakers | 19:39 |
| contingo | it was like Trump getting in | 19:39 |
| LjL | Howardbot[m], about your first link (Daily Mail), here's a bit from the actual article's content | 19:39 |
| LjL | "The company told the Houston Business Journal that it had completed development of the vaccine and it is ready for animal testing and review by US regulators." | 19:39 |
| contingo | the office of ops in E was forevermore besmirched | 19:39 |
| LjL | this, unsurprisingly opposite to the headline, says they've *barely started* developing a vaccine | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:39 UTC: Airline industry: Airline industry braced for major threat from coronavirus turmoil → https://is.gd/hV9e9P | 19:41 |
| ubLX | LjL: while we're on the subject of non-English language, hrm, is this a very common phrase in Italy: "Ballando non duole il piede"? | 19:42 |
| LjL | ubLX, no | 19:42 |
| LjL | sounds like a saying though | 19:42 |
| LjL | but not one i've heard | 19:42 |
| LjL | or that i get the meaning behind | 19:43 |
| ubLX | hm | 19:43 |
| LjL | "if you're getting tired by doing fun stuff, it's not really tiring"? | 19:43 |
| theglass | ?web ballando non duole il piede | 19:43 |
| ubLX | something like that, i suppose | 19:43 |
| |daryl| | WEB : ballando … : https://www.doveecomemicuro.it/notizie/aggiornamenti/dolore-piede | 19:43 |
| LjL | it's listed as an italian saying on... the esperanto wikiquote | 19:44 |
| theglass | maybe it's invented | 19:44 |
| LjL | it's also in a google book in german that is however authored by an italian | 19:44 |
| LjL | %tr >it Bei Tisch wird man nicht alt. | 19:45 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, German to Italian: Non invecchi a tavola. (MyMemory, Google) | 19:45 |
| LjL | %tr <it Ballando non duole il piede. | 19:45 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: Dancing does not hurt the foot. (MyMemory, Google) — Dancing no *duole the foot. (Apertium) | 19:45 |
| theglass | A tavola non si invecchia, esiste | 19:45 |
| LjL | anyway, it so does | 19:45 |
| LjL | yay we found 1 real saying | 19:45 |
| LjL | out of 2 | 19:45 |
| LjL | it's better odds than covid | 19:45 |
| python476 | News Flash http://archiveglobal.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/med_dancing_tb.jpg | 19:46 |
| ubLX | "Your feet don't hurt when you're dancing" is the translation I saw offered | 19:46 |
| theglass | my father used to say it | 19:46 |
| LjL | ubLX, that's not very proverb-y in english | 19:46 |
| tinwhiskers | python476: heh | 19:46 |
| ubLX | it's more proverby than stormie's effort! | 19:46 |
| LjL | python476, lol, whoever wrote that must have had tubercolosis in the head | 19:47 |
| LjL | although, death to daylight savings time | 19:47 |
| Howardbot[m] | Incase someone need the link | 19:47 |
| Howardbot[m] | https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 | 19:47 |
| python476 | LjL: I found the thing interesting anthropologically | 19:47 |
| LjL | Howardbot[m], it's among the first in the links in the channel topic | 19:47 |
| python476 | every era has thinkers who can conclude about things | 19:47 |
| LjL | although i guess i should update the pastebin on the Matrix side | 19:47 |
| python476 | 100 years later humans just look at that with ._. faces | 19:47 |
| LjL | the bridge doesn't sync topics... | 19:47 |
| python476 | Howardbot[m] is not a bot ? | 19:48 |
| LjL | i... don't think so? | 19:48 |
| python476 | arcgis site is great but half the time the graphs are ded | 19:48 |
| Howardbot[m] | Who you calling a skid? | 19:48 |
| python476 | Howardbot[m]: sorry, it's as if the letters b o t meant something totally different >< | 19:48 |
| Howardbot[m] | Lol Howard from adult swim infomercials for-profit university. Check I out | 19:49 |
| python476 | I may | 19:49 |
| Albright | I bought a pocket-sized bottle of sanitizer gel with the idea that I'd use it after I go out to grocery stores and touch things and so on, but I always forget to use it. I'm just not in the habit of doing that sort of stuff. Argh. | 19:49 |
| LjL | Albright, get into the habit on the fast track | 19:50 |
| LjL | i wasn't into the habit of doing a lot of things | 19:50 |
| tinwhiskers | I can't stop touching myself... | 19:50 |
| LjL | i thought the thing was still in china | 19:50 |
| LjL | and then one day later WHAM | 19:50 |
| ubLX | tinwhiskers: if you said that in ##English you might get banned | 19:51 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i'd tell you to confess, but talking 10cm from a priest's mouth doesn't sound like the best of ideas | 19:51 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh | 19:51 |
| LjL | ubLX, it's gotten that uptight? | 19:51 |
| ubLX | idk i haven't been there in months | 19:51 |
| LjL | oh okay | 19:51 |
| ubLX | was silly joke | 19:51 |
| LjL | hey for the records, cassettes sound a lot better than youtube | 19:51 |
| LjL | i won't claim they sound better than CDs | 19:51 |
| LjL | but, yes, that | 19:52 |
| Timvde | LjL: interesting read | 19:52 |
| Timvde | So when I get a dry throat, drink warm drinks | 19:52 |
| LjL | Timvde, i have no longer any idea what i gave you to read, but thanks | 19:52 |
| Timvde | sorry :p | 19:52 |
| LjL | hweh | 19:52 |
| Timvde | the Google Translate link | 19:52 |
| LjL | oh | 19:52 |
| LjL | well i wouldn't take it as all true | 19:52 |
| LjL | some things are perplexing | 19:52 |
| LjL | Howardbot[m], you linked a claim from a site called sosvox | 19:54 |
| LjL | but i see this article about that side https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/17/watch-out-for-these-petition-scams-doing-the-rounds-on-facebook-7233065/ | 19:54 |
| LjL | also on https://www.tecnoandroid.it/2018/01/18/whatsapp-fake-news-e-siti-di-petizioni-la-nuova-truffa-arriva-anche-su-facebook-290010 for italian because we like italian | 19:55 |
| LjL | (or, obviously because it's in my filter bubble, despite everything i have being set to english) | 19:56 |
| theglass | I can read english | 20:02 |
| LjL | you don't say | 20:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:54 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: two patients die in France as four new cases detected in England – live updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 20:05 |
| theglass | maybe you don't say | 20:05 |
| LjL | maybe i don't | 20:07 |
| LjL | we likely already knew but https://inews.co.uk/news/health/world-health-organisation-chief-warning-elderly-crowded-places-2005411 | 20:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:09 UTC: Economic powers offer emergency help in coronavirus crisis: ‘Whatever is needed’ – markets rally on vow by governments, central banks, IMF, World Bank → https://is.gd/X2IzUy | 20:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:23 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: two patients die in France as four new cases detected in England – live updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 20:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 19:30 UTC: (news): Coronavirus, 12 casi a Roma: 8 ricoveri allo Spallanzani. Borrelli: «Situazione sotto controllo» - Il Messaggero → https://is.gd/2IK5RU | 20:42 |
| LjL | contingo, ubLX: i haven't taken acyclovir for ONE DAY and now i can feel a cold sore developing... which i absolutely hate all of the time, because it makes my whole body weak, but now it's giving me a very sudden anxiety spike because i know it means lowered immune defenses | 20:46 |
| LjL | i know anxiety itself makes it worse but i don't have a switch | 20:46 |
| ubLX | not being funny but could "feel a cold sore developing" be a quasi-hallucination? | 20:50 |
| ubLX | anxiety is a helluva drug, after all | 20:50 |
| LjL | ubLX: yes it could, although it's a very specific skin feeling | 20:52 |
| contingo | LjL how long had you been on it for? | 20:52 |
| LjL | contingo: in theory I only use it when I either have a cold sore already, or on days when I wake up and feel "not okay", because I know those are days where I tend to get them. In those cases I typically take just 200mg. It's not an establishment suppression protocol at all but it had seemed to make something that used to happen on a biweekly basis almost gone | 20:53 |
| LjL | But that said | 20:53 |
| LjL | Now I've taken 200+200 every day for maybe a week | 20:53 |
| LjL | Except the past day or two | 20:54 |
| LjL | Actually my notes say I took it yesterday too... | 20:55 |
| LjL | So maybe just not the 200mg of this morning | 20:55 |
| LjL | Anyway I mentioned it because I was feeling like it was about to turn into a panic attack... I'm feeling panicky but maybe that is averted | 20:56 |
| contingo | what do you do in a panic attack? | 20:56 |
| LjL | Also I was already anxious because my parents NOW don't want to go to to places tomorrow | 20:56 |
| contingo | I mean, do you take anything, or do you ride it out | 20:57 |
| LjL | contingo: eventually, call an ambulance, is what has happened two out of three times so far | 20:57 |
| LjL | contingo: I take clonazepam | 20:57 |
| LjL | I took it now | 20:57 |
| LjL | Just a bit | 20:57 |
| contingo | how long do you experience the attack for before you call an ambulance? | 20:57 |
| LjL | 30 min maybe | 21:01 |
| ubLX | wikipedia says acyclovir elimination half-life is ~4 hours. so, with a suppressed immune system (your anxiety levels must be hitting all time highs these days). and maybe 24hr acyclovir abstinence... | 21:02 |
| LjL | ubLX: yes that's why they sell valacyclovir | 21:02 |
| LjL | For much more money | 21:02 |
| ubLX | ...maybe boosting immume system by targeting anxiety via clonazepam is the right move right now | 21:02 |
| LjL | It's a metabolite, it's the same but it lasts for longer | 21:02 |
| LjL | Maybe :/ | 21:03 |
| ubLX | worth a shot though | 21:03 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: can you get groceries delivered there? | 21:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Martin Rowson on Boris Johnson's response to the coronavirus outbreak – cartoon → https://is.gd/NzmpTa | 21:07 |
| Albright | I don't get that cartoon. Must be British humor. | 21:08 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah, I don't understand that either. | 21:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:14 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: two patients die in France as four new cases detected in England – live updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 21:19 |
| ubLX | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobra_meeting | 21:21 |
| ubLX | the UK government call certain emergency-mitigation meetings "COBRA" meetings | 21:22 |
| ubLX | one was schedule for today | 21:22 |
| ubLX | there doesn't seem to be a great deal of humour in that cartoon | 21:22 |
| ubLX | just a remark on all the emergencies Boris is having to deal with at once, i guess | 21:23 |
| ubLX | no idea what the human face on Boris' snake-charming pipe is supposed to signify | 21:23 |
| Albright | Ah, okay. It makes marginally more sense now. | 21:25 |
| contingo | maybe it's Dominic Cummings | 21:29 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yes, my parents now, convinced they must stay home by the mighty television (one word from it is worth 1000 from me, clearly), have magically figured out you can place supermarket orders online | 21:35 |
| tinwhiskers | Nice | 21:36 |
| LjL | nice but they're also telling me to cancel this appointment i have tomorrow | 21:36 |
| tinwhiskers | Good to hear they are doing that. | 21:36 |
| LjL | i could have done it easily if they had told me like one day ago | 21:36 |
| LjL | 12 hours ago | 21:36 |
| tinwhiskers | It really looks like going out in public unnecessarily in Italy is not a good thing to do | 21:36 |
| LjL | but if *i* had told *them* a week ago, they'd have been like "you crazy" | 21:36 |
| LjL | this is frustrating | 21:37 |
| LjL | all the control i have over this issue is a chanserv account in this channel | 21:37 |
| LjL | i'd like to have at least a tiny bit in real life too | 21:37 |
| LjL | most of it of course is not under anyone's control | 21:37 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm sure your voice contributed to their decisions | 21:37 |
| LjL | but people need a sense of being in control | 21:37 |
| LjL | no it didn't | 21:37 |
| LjL | the more i'd talk they more they would close down and say "you're exaggerating, you're making us panic, you can't just stop life" | 21:38 |
| LjL | now they say on tv "you should all stop life for a while2 | 21:38 |
| LjL | and they are like "oh, okay" | 21:38 |
| LjL | but i told them TWO DAYS AGO that the WHO said >60yo should stay home | 21:38 |
| tinwhiskers | The tv has validated what you were saying | 21:38 |
| LjL | it was the WHO, just through my mouth | 21:38 |
| LjL | that didn't work | 21:38 |
| LjL | now the WHO said it through the TV's mouth | 21:38 |
| LjL | that worked | 21:38 |
| tinwhiskers | In any case, they're doing the right thing now | 21:39 |
| LjL | and now i've had this semi-panic attack i feel so drained i want to sleep, but i can't because i've also just eaten and my stomach is complaining about me having panic attacks while eating | 21:39 |
| LjL | the right thing isn't making me so frustrated with the inability to have an honest conversation with them that my immune defenses lower even lower than they normally would | 21:40 |
| LjL | i probably don't even have a cold sore and ubLX was right | 21:40 |
| LjL | it's just my brain was on full body scan attention because my parents were being like whatever | 21:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Hrm | 21:41 |
| LjL | i should probably swallow a truckload of B vitamins now | 21:42 |
| LjL | contingo, actually what do you think of B-group multivitamins as "immune boosts", which they've been touted as for ages, but, you know, i'm never very convinced with supplements | 21:43 |
| ubLX | you should probably do the most relaxing thing humanly possible in your apartment right now | 21:43 |
| contingo | have a bubble bath | 21:43 |
| contingo | dissolve B group vitamins into the bubbles | 21:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: four more deaths announced in US – live updates → https://is.gd/cdvAmo | 21:44 |
| Albright | I take a daily multivitamin supplements. Who knows if it's done me any good but in bulk they're cheap enough for "just-in-case." | 21:44 |
| Albright | FOUR more deaths? Damn. | 21:44 |
| LjL | ubLX, so more loud singing to walkman music? | 21:44 |
| contingo | LjL idk, my sister's vegan partner had a severe B vitamin deficiency and was revived after supplementation | 21:44 |
| ubLX | LjL: only if you live-stream it | 21:45 |
| LjL | Albright, be wary of some vitamins, they are really not all "the more the merrier" | 21:45 |
| LjL | contingo, yikes | 21:45 |
| Albright | All of them in the Seattle area. Hmm. | 21:45 |
| LjL | i'm not vegan (or even vegetarian) but my diet is kinda dangerously close possibly | 21:45 |
| contingo | but looking into it myself it seemed I would get more than enough from my diet | 21:45 |
| contingo | what | 21:45 |
| ubLX | LjL: for Albright's benefit, was that last Guardian headline about American cases one of Brainstorm's multiple repeats? | 21:46 |
| contingo | 's frustrating me in terms of feeling robust is that I'm sick. | 21:46 |
| contingo | I've missed over a week of gym now | 21:46 |
| LjL | ubLX, have mercy, i have NO Idea | 21:46 |
| Albright | ubLX: This article was posted 38 minutes ago so apparently not a repeat. | 21:46 |
| Albright | Total US deaths are up to six. | 21:47 |
| ubLX | ok | 21:47 |
| LjL | %cases US | 21:47 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Australia, there are 33 cases, 1 deaths (3.0% of cases), 15 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 20:30 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 21:47 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 6.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 21:47 |
| LjL | have mercy, i can't code | 21:47 |
| LjL | %cases America | 21:47 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Sorry, America not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 21:47 |
| Albright | roffle | 21:47 |
| Albright | %cases USA | 21:47 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: Sorry, USA not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 21:47 |
| LjL | no, i need to do the "exact match" pass before the substring pass | 21:47 |
| LjL | which i thought i was doing | 21:47 |
| LjL | but evidently not | 21:47 |
| Albright | %cases Washington | 21:47 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: Sorry, Washington not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 21:47 |
| ubLX | not found? we lost America?!? | 21:47 |
| LjL | it's US | 21:47 |
| ubLX | this thing is getting out of hand | 21:47 |
| LjL | ubLX, losing America seems good | 21:48 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, reload covid | 21:48 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: <module 'covid' from '/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py'> (version: 2020-03-02 20:48:39) | 21:48 |
| LjL | %cases US | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Australia, there are 33 cases, 1 deaths (3.0% of cases), 15 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 20:30 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 6.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 21:49 |
| LjL | one day i will fix one thing and it will work without me trying it ten times in private first | 21:49 |
| Howardbot[m] | %cases us | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | Howardbot[m]: In Australia, there are 33 cases, 1 deaths (3.0% of cases), 15 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 20:30 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | Howardbot[m]: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 6.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 21:49 |
| LjL | basically when i thought i had a cold sore, i didn't | 21:50 |
| LjL | but now i've become so exhausted from the anxiety attack due to thinking i was getting a cold sore, i'll have one | 21:51 |
| contingo | I'm very sparing with my topical antivirals | 21:51 |
| LjL | contingo, err | 21:51 |
| LjL | not topical | 21:51 |
| LjL | *gulp* | 21:51 |
| contingo | I'm just sharing | 21:52 |
| LjL | i'm saying, i'm taking oral acyclovir, topic just kinda makes it worse | 21:52 |
| LjL | also of course the bot won't work if i won't reset the cursor to the start of the file | 21:52 |
| contingo | I find topical effective | 21:52 |
| LjL | or rather, my for loops are all nested wrong | 21:53 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, reload covid | 21:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: <module 'covid' from '/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py'> (version: 2020-03-02 20:53:37) | 21:53 |
| LjL | %cases us | 21:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In US, there are 96 cases, 6 deaths (6.2% of cases), 9 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 20:30 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 21:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: It's too early to even try to estimate mortality in this area. | 21:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Google News Italia at 20:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus in Italia: le news sul contagio e le ricadute sullo sport - Sky Sport → https://is.gd/bdU91Z | 21:56 |
| LjL | also go away tinnitus | 21:56 |
| Albright | LjL++ | 21:57 |
| LjL | i can't believe that thing is still talking about repercussions on sports | 22:00 |
| LjL | i'll terminate its feed with extreme prejudice | 22:00 |
| ubLX | thing is (i hate sportball as much as the next self-respecting nerd) but the cancellation of fifty-thousand strong shoulder-room only gathering is kinda on topic, isn't it | 22:01 |
| LjL | maybe but i only ever remember it posting that piece of news | 22:02 |
| LjL | maybe it's a flaw in the way google news turns itself into an rss feed | 22:02 |
| LjL | the guardian sucks, google news sucks, and the live or nonlive threads on reddit that i have put there aren't working for some reason | 22:02 |
| ubLX | idk if the guardian.. sucks.. and it is serving for your bot as a reasonable news aggregator. the doubts i have about the guardian are probably not significant to covid news | 22:05 |
| adventurer | ubLX, what are your doubts | 22:21 |
| ubLX | oh no | 22:22 |
| ubLX | i hoped never to have to answer that question with specifics (because i would then have to spend some time digging out the sources) | 22:23 |
| LjL | ubLX, i was kind to you on that front | 22:23 |
| LjL | but i can't control others | 22:23 |
| LjL | unless... i become an authoritarian rules | 22:23 |
| LjL | ruler | 22:23 |
| LjL | which seems somewhat desirable | 22:23 |
| LjL | %cases Singapore | 22:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Singapore, there are 108 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 78 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 21:00 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/ for time series data. | 22:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: It's too early to even try to estimate mortality in this area. | 22:23 |
| LjL | still pretty stable! | 22:23 |
| LjL | and a remarkable mortality rate | 22:24 |
| LjL | contingo, when are you going to be #109 | 22:24 |
| ubLX | the gist was that ever since the UK government ordered the destruction of the guardian's computers and copies of Snowden's data, the guardian is to be considered not independent in general, and (functionally) bought by the british government | 22:25 |
| ubLX | in particular | 22:25 |
| ubLX | ofc, this nefarious influence does not undermine everything the guardian does | 22:25 |
| LjL | sure seems UK gov is quite charming these past few years | 22:25 |
| ubLX | but it renders its output suspect, requiring more effortful parsing | 22:26 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, reload covid | 22:28 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: <module 'covid' from '/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py'> (version: 2020-03-02 21:28:39) | 22:28 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i am slow but i think it finally clicked in why exactly you were pointing out the syntax to refer to a particular country in your graphs | 22:29 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Italy, there are 2036 cases, 52 deaths (2.6% of cases), 149 recoveries as of March 02, 2020, 21:00 GMT. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.9% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 25.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 22:29 |
| tinwhiskers | :-) | 22:30 |
| LjL | %s disasterradio | 22:41 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, failed to get any hits! | 22:41 |
| LjL | Spec, ubLX: mildly interesting https://disaster.radio/learn/ | 22:43 |
| LjL | just saw an app popping up for it in F-Droid | 22:43 |
| ubLX | "Secure Scuttlebutt" - nice | 22:44 |
| ubLX | %w scuttlebutt | 22:44 |
| Brainstorm | ubLX, scuttlebutt — noun: 1. (nautical, countable) A butt with a scuttle, a keg of drinking water with a hole cut in it, on board ship, 2. (informal, uncountable) Gossip, rumour, idle chatter → https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scuttlebutt | 22:44 |
| LjL | %tell ublx dangerous but a necessity | 22:52 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, I'll pass ubLX aka ubLIX your message when they are around. | 22:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:49 UTC: Australian politics: Australians can be detained under coronavirus biosecurity laws, attorney general says – politics live → https://is.gd/itzmoF | 22:55 |
| LjL | by staring at the logs for a very long time maybe eventually i'll just know why news aren't working right | 23:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 22:15 UTC: DECRETO-LEGGE 2 marzo 2020, n.9: Misure urgenti di sostegno per famiglie, lavoratori e impreseconnesse all'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19. (20G00026) → https://is.gd/pBQJP5 | 23:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:39 UTC: Australian politics: Australians can be detained under coronavirus biosecurity laws, attorney general says – politics live → https://is.gd/itzmoF | 23:42 |
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