python476 | yeah I meant the reputation thing parallel | 00:00 |
---|---|---|
Birosso | Hmmmm | 00:00 |
python476 | where grades are not even meaningful anymore | 00:00 |
LjL | i have to go drink some alcohol to forget i'm quarantined now. behave yourselves. | 00:00 |
Birosso | Well, what is your university's reputation like exactly? | 00:00 |
python476 | LjL: don't drink it all, keep some to wash your hands | 00:00 |
Birosso | What do people say about it that's supposed to give you an advantage? | 00:00 |
twomoons | hi ljl i didn't know that spain at that time had almost half the gdp per capita as italy | 00:00 |
ubLIX | Birosso: engineers in general and perhaps mechanicals in particular are going to be high-systemisers and low-empathisers in general, a combination that can sometimes be mistaken for 'dickishness'. i wonder how far you take this into account | 00:00 |
LjL | python476, no problem, i have french wines for that | 00:00 |
python476 | Birosso: I have no idea, only that companies called us even before we finished | 00:00 |
python476 | LjL: very acidic | 00:01 |
twomoons | i wonder how they pulled even with italy given that they went through the great financial recession of 2008-2014 | 00:01 |
LjL | twomoons, book had data from 1986, look it up and find out whether my memory is on spot | 00:01 |
Birosso | ubLIX: One guy once told me on this topic (he wasn't an engineer) that he felt that engineers in general liked objects and things more than people. | 00:01 |
twomoons | yeah sure | 00:01 |
python476 | ubLIX: is this related to the 5 personality traits ? | 00:01 |
LjL | twomoons, wolfram alpha should do | 00:01 |
LjL | %wa gdp per capita italy, spain in 1986 | 00:01 |
ubLIX | python476: not really, no | 00:01 |
Birosso | I reflected on that for a moment and replied that engineers, or I at least, like the things going on in their heads and the things they can do themselves more than anything anyone else can do for them. | 00:01 |
python476 | oh ok | 00:01 |
Birosso | So I guess, yes, something along those lines can be mistaken for that. | 00:01 |
python476 | Birosso: I did like objects more than people | 00:01 |
LjL | or not. | 00:02 |
Brainstorm | LjL, failed to get any hits! | 00:02 |
python476 | it's so much more stress-free | 00:02 |
python476 | but then I discovered love | 00:02 |
python476 | and now I like people even less | 00:02 |
twomoons | 6496/spain , 11278/italy (1986) | 00:02 |
Birosso | It's not about stress. This might sound egoistic, but I find myself more fascinating than most other people. | 00:02 |
ubLIX | Birosso: well there is surely a large grain of truth in your friend's suspicion | 00:02 |
twomoons | 73.6% higher | 00:02 |
Birosso | Even if I'm just shouting random nonsense at myself in the mirror. | 00:03 |
Birosso | It is what it is. | 00:03 |
twomoons | go focus on your situation birosso | 00:03 |
Birosso | twomoons: CALM BEFORE THE STORM! Let me enjoy it. | 00:03 |
Birosso | Tomorrow is a business day. | 00:03 |
ubLIX | Birosso: "... more fascinating ..." lmao | 00:03 |
Birosso | ubLIX: I don't know what to say! It's what came to mind! | 00:04 |
ubLIX | finding other people fascinating can be effortful, but it gets easier with practise | 00:04 |
Birosso | Allow me to elaborate: I'd rather sit alone at home practicing the piano than spending an evening out meeting random strangers. | 00:04 |
ubLIX | fair | 00:04 |
Birosso | As such, I might quickly dismiss random strangers before I don't think it would be a good investment of my time, talking to them that is. | 00:04 |
Birosso | What did I previously say that made you suspect I was lying? | 00:05 |
Birosso | WHAT, HUH, WHAT? | 00:05 |
ubLIX | nothing; caaaalm | 00:05 |
ubLIX | twas rhetorical device | 00:06 |
Birosso | What are you, ubLIX? | 00:06 |
Birosso | If I may ask. | 00:06 |
ubLIX | hmm? | 00:06 |
Birosso | Your field of expertise. | 00:06 |
Birosso | Your occupation. | 00:06 |
Birosso | It is not an existential question. | 00:07 |
ubLIX | that is a very personal question | 00:07 |
ubLIX | that i cannot answer succinctly | 00:07 |
Birosso | I did add "if I may ask." | 00:07 |
Birosso | So you may refuse to answer without sounding rude or abrasive. | 00:07 |
Birosso | But I'm still going to dislike you anyway! | 00:07 |
ubLIX | my mind is too peripatetic to collect concentrated expertise, if you want the truth | 00:08 |
Birosso | I can relate. That was the case for me a few years ago, until I learned to... merge all my interests. | 00:08 |
LjL | What kind of epidemic is this channel about? I thought it was a lung thing but it sounds like it's a brain thing | 00:09 |
Birosso | Subtle... | 00:09 |
LjL | Like pyramids are subtle tombs | 00:10 |
python476 | ubLIX: jack of all trades club | 00:10 |
ubLIX | python476: jack of a handful, anyway | 00:10 |
LjL | Jack shit here | 00:10 |
python476 | ants are invading my bedroom | 00:10 |
python476 | they reached my nose | 00:11 |
python476 | i might be there for long, farewell brothers | 00:11 |
LjL | Definitely a brain thing. | 00:11 |
Birosso | .___. | 00:11 |
LjL | 9,99Brainstorm:99,99 New99,99 from r/WorldNews at 19:59 UTC:99,99 worldnews: Xiamen University has developed rapid testing kit for the COVID-19 antibody with results available in 29 minutes. The testing kit has been approved by the EU and exported to countries including Italy, Austria and the Netherlands. — from r/WorldNews at 19:59:99,99 Livethread: Global COVID-19 outbreak → https://is.gd/zoZPSm | 00:14 |
LjL | I *was* thinking Guardian had refrained from making it about the economy for an unusually long time interval | 00:30 |
LjL | %cases Iran | 00:37 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +89 cases (now 110008), +9 recoveries (now 60772) 🔶 France: +83 cases (now 1209) 🔸 Argentina: +3 cases (now 12) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 14) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 25) 🔸 Toronto, ON, Canada: +1 cases (now 28) 🔸 Chile: +2 cases (now 10) 🔸 Czech Republic: +5 cases (now 31) 🔸 Egypt: +6 cases (now 55) 🔸 Finland: +1 cases (now 25) 🔸 Gibraltar: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Iceland: +3 cases ( | 00:37 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Iran, there are 6566 cases, 194 deaths (3.0% of cases), 2134 recoveries as of Sun Mar 8 12:03:30 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iran for time series data. | 00:38 |
Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 00:38 |
LjL | %cases South Korea | 00:38 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, South Korea, there are 7314 cases, 50 deaths (0.7% of cases), 130 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 00:30:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Korea for time series data. | 00:38 |
LjL | %cases Germany | 00:46 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Germany, there are 1040 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Sun Mar 8 22:03:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 00:46 |
Spec | 30 min test, nice | 00:48 |
Spec | can't wait until USA rejects it because it wasn't made here | 00:48 |
LjL | Spec: I think the PCR test is pretty quick too, but not sure if this one is easier to perform. The article says it's used together with the other test to increase confidence, but I suppose it can also be used to see if you've been positive before, which may become important to know in the longer run | 00:51 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: I'm in town today but will take a look at that regional data for Italy later on. | 00:53 |
tinwhiskers | Oh, that was a bit insensitive of me talking about moving around freely :-/ | 00:54 |
tinwhiskers | Too soon? | 00:54 |
LjL | tinwhiskers: everyone is moving around freely here. If you get caught, which is unlikely, the worst is you get to pay €100 | 00:55 |
LjL | I'm much more worried about our mortality rate and the stated lack of ventilators and possible necessity to decide which patients to treat and which to let go | 00:55 |
LjL | than I am about my ability to go skiing | 00:56 |
tinwhiskers | That is scary | 00:56 |
LjL | Someone literally broke the quarantine to go skiing in the next region which isn't quarantined | 00:56 |
tinwhiskers | Btw, I didn't add population into the csv file because i could find a decent source that was current and included provinces | 00:56 |
LjL | It's always trickier than it seems | 00:57 |
LjL | I might just remove the mortality rate anyway, at least I can confide in my inability to do maths to avoid cringing | 00:57 |
tinwhiskers | Although as it turns out worldometers.com may have that but I need to confirm | 00:58 |
tinwhiskers | I'm going to the hospital again today though for my lungs so an thinking of other things | 00:59 |
LjL | tinwhiskers: 1) stay alive 2) put the data in | 01:00 |
LjL | Mainly because if you can't do 1 you won't do 2 | 01:00 |
tinwhiskers | :-) | 01:01 |
pwr22 | I've got to go to the doctors in the morning 😐️ | 01:11 |
python476 | are there penalties for breaching quarantine ? | 01:12 |
LjL | yes, €206 fine or 3 months jail | 01:13 |
LjL | not entirely sure if it's up to you to choose, but anyway, when you get "3 months of jail" in italy you don't actually go to jail | 01:13 |
LjL | i believe with the last law about this, you don't go unless it's more than 5 years | 01:13 |
LjL | incidentally, today there have been riots in multiple prisons due to the emergency law barring family members from talking to prisoners | 01:14 |
LjL | keep in mind that in Hubei, at least one prison became a major spreading center of the epidemic | 01:14 |
LjL | Spec, but most importantly: Amazon has marked my package as shipped | 01:16 |
LjL | i should check the eBay tracking too though... | 01:17 |
Spec | nice | 01:20 |
Spec | maybe they'll use drones to deliver | 01:20 |
LjL | Spec, everything's just working as usual, even public transport. i have the feeling it will continue like this until people start dropping dead in the streets Wuhan-style | 01:21 |
LjL | if those things were even true... but if they weren't, we can make them | 01:21 |
Spec | yes | 01:21 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, and i must admit i had a knee-jerk reaction yesterday. nobody likes being told you're imprisoned in your home, or even city. but now i'm thinking they didn't go far enough | 01:22 |
python476 | man the ant invasion is getting out of hands | 01:24 |
LjL | or like a frenchman would say | 01:24 |
LjL | out of 'ants | 01:24 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: are people still going to work? | 01:25 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, i'm afraid the answer to that question is a resounding yes | 01:25 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +34 cases (now 110042), +1267 recoveries (now 62039) 🔶 Mainland China: +31 cases (now 80734), +1267 recoveries (now 58600) 🔸 Argentina: +3 cases (now 12) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 14) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 25) 🔸 Toronto, ON, Canada: +1 cases (now 28) 🔸 Chile: +2 cases (now 10) 🔸 Czech Republic: +5 cases (now 31) 🔸 Egypt: +6 cases (now 55) 🔸 Finland: +1 cases (now 25) 🔸 Heilongjian | 01:25 |
LjL | companies are "strongly encouraged" to arrange for their employees to work from home, or take leaves | 01:26 |
LjL | and we all know how much of an effect "strong encouragement" has | 01:26 |
tinwhiskers | Yeah | 01:26 |
LjL | poll of the night: is anyone NOT convinced the world won't quite ever be the same again after this? | 01:28 |
python476 | LjL yeah well i think all these out of ants decided to sleep in my room | 01:28 |
python476 | corner of my floor is 50% dead ants now | 01:28 |
LjL | python476, at least ants would probably request a quarantine order | 01:28 |
LjL | respect* | 01:28 |
python476 | plausible | 01:28 |
python476 | but they do leave a lot too close to each other .. good for infections | 01:28 |
LjL | python476, but they have efficient quorum voting mechanisms, i read | 01:29 |
python476 | even though I did make alcohol spray barriers around their entry | 01:29 |
python476 | to warn them | 01:29 |
python476 | but they did cross | 01:29 |
LjL | %title https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/science/animals-voting-elections.html | 01:29 |
Brainstorm | LjL: From www.nytimes.com: Sneezing Dogs, Dancing Bees: How Animals Vote - The New York Times | 01:29 |
LjL | they'd decide in favor of a lockdown faster than our democracies would | 01:30 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 Hubei, Mainland China: +36 cases (now 67743), +21 deaths (now 3007), +1198 recoveries (now 46433) 🔸 Argentina: +3 cases (now 12) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 14) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 25) 🔸 Toronto, ON, Canada: +1 cases (now 28) 🔸 Chile: +2 cases (now 10) 🔸 Czech Republic: +5 cases (now 31) 🔸 Egypt: +6 cases (now 55) 🔸 Finland: +1 cases (now 25) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong: +1 recoveries (now 59) 🔸 | 01:39 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:39 UTC: (news): US coronavirus cases top 500 as Oregon joins list of states declaring emergencies → https://is.gd/fInTMF | 01:43 |
python476 | hey | 01:45 |
python476 | I'm a reporter now | 01:45 |
python476 | ` 01:43:56 | 01:45 |
python476 | They want to know if i can deploy in the next 24 hours for emergency COVID19 containment in miami` | 01:45 |
python476 | fresh from the paramedic's mouth | 01:45 |
tinwhiskers | python476: cool. Who you reporting for? | 01:48 |
python476 | snektv | 01:49 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 22 more fatalities, bringing death toll to 3,119 → https://is.gd/AYtr7c | 02:20 |
LjL | i'm nearly shocked by how much of an utter idiot this reporter is being. also reckless, and irresponsible in encouraging clearly unsafe behavior. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-26/coronavirus-covid-19-travelling-to-italy-with-small-children/12001516 | 02:41 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +76 cases (now 110121), +47 recoveries (now 62089) 🔶 South Korea: +69 cases (now 7382), +36 recoveries (now 166) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Guizhou, Mainland China: +6 recoveries (now 123) 🔸 Hunan, Mainland China: +11 recoveries (now 979) 🔸 Jiangsu, Mainland China: +6 recoveries (now 618) 🔸 Zhejiang, Mainland China: +9 recoveries (now 1170) 🔸 Peru: +1 cases (now 7) 🔸 Saudi Arabia: +4 | 02:42 |
LjL | yes the tourism industry in italy will suffer, boo hoo, maybe i will end up having less money to buy my ebay toys... but how about trying to stay alive first and also not infecting the rest of the world with reckless visits that we really don't need while struggling with quarantine and hospitals beyond their limits | 02:42 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 248 cases to cross 7,300 → https://is.gd/AYtr7c | 02:47 |
ubLIX | this is laughably insane: "If we were rich enough, we'd probably postpone the holiday to a later time, just in case, and absorb whatever extra costs that entailed. We're not rich enough." | 02:50 |
LjL | ubLIX, well i hope they are at least rich enough to pay for a private clinic in italy after they realize that while "Medical facilities in major Italian cities are considered of a good standard", they will not find a single bed available | 02:55 |
ubLIX | the date on that article was nearly two weeks ago. they might have had a change of heart by now | 02:57 |
LjL | ubLIX, but meanwhile, any damage done by that article being printed would be done | 02:58 |
LjL | ubLIX, but i'm sure they will add a "P.S.: we realized we were rich enough eventually" | 02:58 |
ubLIX | lol | 02:59 |
ubLIX | uff gotta sleep | 03:00 |
ubLIX | nn | 03:00 |
sneep | Italy is about to surpass South Korea | 03:08 |
sneep | %cases italy | 03:08 |
Brainstorm | sneep: In all areas, Italy, there are 7375 cases, 366 deaths (5.0% of cases), 622 recoveries as of Sun Mar 8 19:03:04 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 03:08 |
sneep | %cases south korea | 03:08 |
Brainstorm | sneep: In all areas, South Korea, there are 7382 cases, 50 deaths (0.7% of cases), 166 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 03:04:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Korea for time series data. | 03:08 |
LjL | sneep, you're late | 03:13 |
LjL | oh wait, what, they surpassed us *back*? | 03:13 |
LjL | pretty sure we were first in the graphs earlier! | 03:13 |
LjL | damned koreans | 03:13 |
LjL | sneep, graph is awesome though, https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy;South%20Korea but do enable non-authoritative data for awesomeness | 03:14 |
LjL | viral kiss | 03:14 |
LjL | then you look at the death rates, and it's a bit less awesome to look at if you're in italy | 03:15 |
sneep | Why do you have so many deaths? | 03:15 |
sneep | "I have a fever and feel really bad but it couldn't be Covid, just a couple hundred people in the entire country have that?" | 03:18 |
darsie | https://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html | 03:18 |
fructose | Haven't watched it yet, but might be interesting: https://edhub.ama-assn.org/jn-learning/video-player/18296386 | 03:20 |
LjL | sneep, i just don't know. we also have twice the ICU percentage as normal, and... many more hospitalizations than normal. we have run out of ventilators. government has suggested it may become necessary to "select patients to treat", and unofficially, some hospitals' doctors have said they are already forced to do that. | 03:21 |
darsie | https://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf%0F on https://dpaste.org/84a6 is a bad link, even without %0F. | 03:25 |
darsie | Ah, no, without %0F it's ok. | 03:25 |
sneep | Italy apparently has Europe's oldest population | 03:27 |
sneep | According to https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-elderly.html | 03:27 |
LjL | sneep, japan's average is older, yet they are containing it better and the mortality is lower | 03:32 |
LjL | darsie, okay, fixing | 03:33 |
sneep | > In Secugnago, a few hundred yards outside a checkpoint blocking the entrance to one of Italy’s locked-down towns, old men shrugged off the threat and said they often drank with friends who slipped out of the quarantined towns via country roads. | 03:39 |
LjL | sneep, you surprised? the same is happening on a much larger scale now that most of northern italy is theoretically quarantined | 03:39 |
sneep | People are silly | 03:40 |
LjL | and i damned sure hope my eBay delivery from Turin manages to sneak in | 03:40 |
sneep | What did you buy? | 03:41 |
LjL | a Walkman | 03:41 |
LjL | at least i'll have plenty of cassettes to listen to during the coming months of lockdown | 03:41 |
sneep | Wow, retro | 03:41 |
LjL | naah it's one of the most recent ones, like 1997 | 03:42 |
LjL | i already got a real retro one though | 03:42 |
LjL | sneep, https://www.ebay.it/itm/Sony-walkman-wm-ex550/283805310495 (i didn't pay it the price you see though, i made a lower offer) | 03:42 |
sneep | Damn, 79 EUR | 03:43 |
LjL | (also had talked to the seller extensively beforehand, he sells a lot of walkmans and guided me through the models for what i wanted) | 03:43 |
twomoons | ljl going retro now | 03:43 |
LjL | sneep, i paid it 50, but i better not tell you how much i paid for the actual retro one from the 80s that was a professional recording model | 03:43 |
LjL | twomoons, "now" | 03:43 |
sneep | I consider 1997 pretty retro BTW :P | 03:43 |
LjL | insert standard fucking millennials comment here | 03:44 |
sneep | w | 03:44 |
twomoons | how the hell did italy get so geezed out | 03:45 |
twomoons | europe's oldest population | 03:46 |
LjL | sneep, i have a datassette, and there are copies of my earliest programs on its cassettes, so joke's on you | 03:46 |
sneep | I lost mine :( | 03:46 |
sneep | (Read: my mom threw it and the C128 and C64 out) | 03:46 |
LjL | sneep, well the C64 is toast though, also, i tried to recover those programs years ago by playing them into my soundcard, without realizing the tape deck i had at the time was faulty and damaged tapes. so now i lost my programs. that was partly what originally brought me to start watching walkmans on ebay, to replace the deck with something small but decent... and then i never bought any for years, until now | 03:47 |
skyofdust | /whois LjL | 03:47 |
skyofdust | Damn tabs ahahaha | 03:47 |
LjL | sneep, good lord, people throwing out C128s. my friend's parents also did. look at what they go for on ebay now | 03:47 |
LjL | skyofdust, i am who i am | 03:48 |
sneep | LjL: damn | 03:48 |
twomoons | damn | 03:48 |
twomoons | or should i say early millennials | 03:49 |
sneep | Also threw out a rare Atari Mega/STE | 03:49 |
LjL | sneep, to be fair, people like you are why they are rare to begin with! | 03:49 |
sneep | 399 EUR on ebay! damn | 03:49 |
sneep | And I had a monitor too | 03:50 |
LjL | i wanted to replace my C64 with a C128D (look at how much THOSE go for, if they have a keyboard and look decent) years ago after it broke, back then they still had sane prices on ebay | 03:50 |
LjL | but then i just kept not-winning them, and upping my bids, but still not winning | 03:50 |
sneep | I got my C128 for free BTW | 03:50 |
LjL | now i kind of just gave up | 03:50 |
sneep | In the early 2000s I think | 03:50 |
LjL | sneep, may you then catch coronavirus in your eyeball | 03:51 |
LjL | sorry that's just standard italian jocular banter | 03:51 |
sneep | It was already a retro system and my teenage me was marveling at what 80s computers were like | 03:51 |
LjL | "already" | 03:51 |
LjL | it was VERY MUCH a retro system in the early 2000s | 03:52 |
sneep | Well then 1997 is retro too! :p | 03:52 |
LjL | well no, the C128 is from 1986, so | 03:52 |
LjL | 1997 had pentiums, not C128s :P | 03:52 |
sneep | 2020-1997 = 23, 2001-1986 = 25 | 03:53 |
LjL | yeah, except computers have changed much less in the past several years | 03:53 |
sneep | I didn't have a Pentium in 1997 | 03:54 |
LjL | things have been tapering off a lot, Moore's law stopped being true, etc | 03:54 |
sneep | I had a 386 | 03:54 |
LjL | lol@you | 03:54 |
LjL | i had a Pentium 233 and a shiny 33.6kbps modem | 03:54 |
sneep | No wait, maybe I did have a Pentium | 03:54 |
sneep | Pentium 90 | 03:54 |
LjL | that's basically just a slightly faster 486 in disguise | 03:54 |
sneep | It was actually an overclocked Pentium 75 | 03:54 |
Spec | lol | 03:54 |
Spec | 44 people in my state have been tested, total | 03:55 |
LjL | then it's basically just an overcooked 486 | 03:55 |
LjL | Spec, your state of mind? | 03:55 |
Spec | yes | 03:55 |
LjL | Spec, cases are starting to accrue around NYC, from what my personal NYC-related newsticker recounts | 03:56 |
twomoons | jesus some article says "coronavirus going to hit its peak and start falling sooner than you think" =/ | 03:57 |
twomoons | i wish they would refrain from writing articles like this | 03:57 |
twomoons | ljl did you have to revert the subject back to virus =/ | 03:58 |
twomoons | damnit | 03:58 |
LjL | technically Spec did | 03:58 |
sneep | Dammit Spec | 03:58 |
swift110 | hey all | 03:59 |
sneep | We were talking about old computers, you can't just interrupt that | 03:59 |
swift110 | old computers are cool | 03:59 |
sneep | LjL: I'd like to have a go at repairing your C64 | 03:59 |
swift110 | I am on an old computer right now it is an ibm x60 from 2007 | 03:59 |
sneep | Let me book some flights to where you are | 03:59 |
LjL | lol | 03:59 |
LjL | sneep, my C64 isn't where i am though, it's at the alps apartment | 03:59 |
LjL | which i am not even technically allowed to go to | 04:00 |
LjL | swift110, thinkpads are decent | 04:00 |
sneep | 2007 isn't that old | 04:00 |
twomoons | hi spec | 04:01 |
LjL | sneep, well it's not old for a retrocomputer, but it's not very new for a computer you're actually typing on now | 04:01 |
LjL | although Brainstorm is from 2008 | 04:01 |
LjL | hi Brainstorm | 04:01 |
Brainstorm | G'day LjL! | 04:01 |
LjL | Brainstorm, that's not the way you talk to your much elders | 04:01 |
sneep | Okay 2007 is old actually | 04:03 |
sneep | I think the HP laptop I still sometimes use but haven't in a couple months is from 2008 | 04:03 |
sneep | Also lunch time yay \o/ | 04:04 |
LjL | a 2008 computer that was very good back then can still be absolutely usable now | 04:04 |
LjL | which goes to show what i was saying earlier about computer evolution tapering off | 04:04 |
LjL | also a C128 is like a completely different *type* of beast from a Penium from 1997 | 04:05 |
LjL | while a Pentium from 1997 isn't so much unlike what we have now, except a lot slower | 04:05 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 02:58 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Jamie Dupree su Twitter: "More cases in Georgia… " → https://is.gd/wKV8Bu | 04:09 |
LjL | is the r/Italy live thread even still going, and if so, why isn't Brainstorm posting anything from it | 04:10 |
LjL | maybe i should terminate the feed anyway since those funkyfaces banned me | 04:10 |
sneep | i guess our $40000 server with 44 cores will still be a usable machine in 10 years | 04:12 |
swift110 | LjL, I love thinkpads | 04:12 |
twomoons | thinkpads suck | 04:12 |
twomoons | the touchpad is awful | 04:12 |
twomoons | the red rubber thing sucks too | 04:12 |
sneep | touchpads are generally awful | 04:12 |
RougeR | lol | 04:14 |
Brainstorm | RougeR: At 2020-03-06 19:28:21 UTC, contingo told you: How is your contact who was trapped in the hotel doing? | 04:14 |
RougeR | made this for funsies | 04:14 |
RougeR | https://repl.it/repls/LoyalRespectfulByte | 04:14 |
RougeR | Brainstorm, hes back in uk | 04:14 |
RougeR | was my cousin | 04:14 |
RougeR | tested negative twice, public flight n tube, 14 days self isolation in london | 04:14 |
swift110 | lol | 04:17 |
swift110 | this x60 normally has 3 gb ram installed | 04:18 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 248 cases to cross 7,300 → https://is.gd/AYtr7c | 04:23 |
RougeR | south korea is doing well | 04:26 |
RougeR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_South_Korea | 04:26 |
RougeR | tbh | 04:26 |
RougeR | at containing | 04:26 |
RougeR | they massively dropped their exponent | 04:26 |
LjL | yeah, just the same as italy | 04:44 |
RougeR | LjL, | 04:49 |
RougeR | no | 04:49 |
RougeR | not at all | 04:49 |
RougeR | italy is averaging a 1.25 exponent | 04:49 |
RougeR | south korea 1.05 | 04:49 |
LjL | sarcasm detection failure detected | 04:49 |
RougeR | ah hahaha | 04:49 |
RougeR | if italy contineu at the same exponent rate you will have | 04:49 |
LjL | yes, we're fucked | 04:49 |
RougeR | Day: 7, Cases: 63343 | 04:50 |
RougeR | At the current rate of infection there will be 55968 cases in 7 days | 04:50 |
RougeR | Would you like to run the simulation again? (Y/N) | 04:50 |
RougeR | ill model uk | 04:50 |
RougeR | https://repl.it/repls/LoyalRespectfulByte | 04:50 |
LjL | we don't need to reach anywhere that amount of cases to be fucked | 04:50 |
LjL | we're already running out of ICU beds and ventilators | 04:50 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:47 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan shuts down 11 makeshift hospitals as China cases slow: Chinese state broadcaster CCTV said 11 of the 14 makeshift hospitals in Wuhan built for treatment of the new coronavirus have closed. → https://is.gd/AYtr7c | 04:50 |
RougeR | it might drop with your containment measures | 04:50 |
LjL | our containment measures are a joke | 04:51 |
LjL | no one is heeding them, and they are weak as designed | 04:51 |
RougeR | least you have them | 04:51 |
LjL | on paper | 04:51 |
LjL | people can still work | 04:51 |
RougeR | mmm | 04:51 |
LjL | public transport is still going | 04:51 |
LjL | people are still leaving the "lockdown" area, with only some small amount being found out and fined | 04:51 |
RougeR | my parents want to travel to north france this week | 04:51 |
RougeR | they have a campervan, so not as bad | 04:52 |
RougeR | still | 04:52 |
RougeR | yeah i saw LjL | 04:52 |
LjL | from? | 04:52 |
RougeR | Jersey | 04:52 |
RougeR | island off coast of uk | 04:52 |
RougeR | ferry/camper | 04:52 |
RougeR | and they are staying on my uncles farm | 04:52 |
RougeR | middle of nowhere | 04:52 |
LjL | hmm | 04:53 |
RougeR | yeahh they seem intent on going | 04:53 |
LjL | i'd say travelling in general is unadvisable now | 04:53 |
RougeR | but ive told them to wait n see | 04:53 |
LjL | but i guess there's worse | 04:53 |
RougeR | yeah | 04:53 |
RougeR | i agree | 04:53 |
RougeR | its bordeaux they are going too | 04:53 |
RougeR | hgoly fuck france | 04:53 |
RougeR | last 3 days before today they averaged 1.5 exponent | 04:54 |
RougeR | At the current rate of infection there will be 8252 cases in 7 days | 04:55 |
RougeR | France ^ | 04:55 |
RougeR | sorry thats new cases | 04:57 |
fructose | RougeR: Where is that calculation from? | 04:57 |
RougeR | 9378 total | 04:57 |
RougeR | fructose, | 04:57 |
RougeR | https://repl.it/repls/LoyalRespectfulByte | 04:57 |
RougeR | I just knocked up a function for it | 04:58 |
RougeR | takes the average exponent over the last 7 days and then models it for the next y days | 04:58 |
RougeR | just hit run | 04:58 |
fructose | That's inaccurate for more than one reason | 04:58 |
RougeR | it is | 04:58 |
RougeR | but its not a bad guess | 04:58 |
RougeR | I could of course take in lots of data and make it more accurate | 04:59 |
RougeR | but it is accurate if the rate of infection holds stable | 05:00 |
RougeR | and it is accurate (roughly) when you back date it | 05:00 |
fructose | Confirmed cases are not total infected population. Even consulting only confirmed cases, the growth rate is not stable. More recent data would be more relevant than older data, so an average is a bad guess. | 05:03 |
RougeR | yes of course | 05:04 |
RougeR | yeah | 05:04 |
RougeR | so taking 7 days | 05:04 |
RougeR | aka the most recent | 05:04 |
RougeR | looking at the exponent | 05:05 |
RougeR | and showing confirmed | 05:05 |
RougeR | is not a bad idea | 05:05 |
fructose | It's a bad estimate | 05:05 |
RougeR | what would be a good estimate then | 05:05 |
RougeR | without taking a huge amount of variables | 05:05 |
fructose | A good estimate is best left to specialists, but you can calculate growth rate as it progresses not only in France, but also South Korea, Italy, Iran, Germany, etc. You can use that to calculate doubling time. | 05:09 |
fructose | The more recent data is data over the last 2 days, not 7 days. | 05:10 |
freebobby[m] | its pretty wild how fast data has been produced. but that also comes with negatives | 05:11 |
fructose | Yep, I've told people about cases reported near them only to learn afterwards it was a reporting error. | 05:12 |
RougeR | fructose, okay... | 05:12 |
RougeR | again doesnt work though | 05:13 |
RougeR | south korea has an exponent of 1.05, in italy its 1.25 | 05:13 |
fructose | Every country has a different growth rate. That's not a surprise. | 05:15 |
freebobby[m] | exponent as relating to doublng time? | 05:15 |
freebobby[m] | not sure whats being referenced | 05:16 |
sneep | it feels to me like there are many people especially in europe who don't like listening to authority, regardless of whether the authority's orders are right or wrong | 05:17 |
fructose | freebobby[m]: You take the current population and raise it to some power and get how many there will on the next day. I use growth rate and doubling time because it's less confusing. | 05:17 |
freebobby[m] | i see something like daily exponential growth | 05:18 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:16 UTC: Oil nosedives as Saudi Arabia and Russia set off 'scorched earth' price war: The news is a sudden U-turn from previous attempts to support the oil market as the new coronavirus hammers global demand. → https://is.gd/82FgmI | 05:18 |
sneep | though i don't have much of an anti-authoritarian image of italy | 05:18 |
sneep | france and germany though... | 05:19 |
LjL | Spec, i think your image of italy is wrong | 05:23 |
LjL | if we're told to do black, we do white, almost by definition | 05:23 |
LjL | authority is seen as arbitrary and bureaucratically annoying for no reason | 05:23 |
LjL | not Spec, sneep | 05:23 |
RougeR | freebobby[m], exponent here being the increase in cases as a percentage | 05:23 |
RougeR | daily | 05:24 |
LjL | the quarantine measures are already hilariously being ignored completely | 05:24 |
LjL | people sneaking out to go ski | 05:24 |
freebobby[m] | it is going to be interesting to see the difference in response from cultures/sub-cultures that respect authority vs those that dont | 05:25 |
freebobby[m] | <LjL "people sneaking out to go ski"> is that something more than one person has done? | 05:25 |
LjL | that's only one case that i know of. but many more cases of people just leaving via train | 05:25 |
LjL | to begin with, when the quarantine was leaked, people in Milan rushed to the station that had the last train out of Lombardy | 05:26 |
LjL | some had to be removed by police as they insisted to get on the train | 05:26 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: you want all the individual provinces (129), or just the provinces (22) from that Italy data? It seems like the individual provinces would be massive overkill | 05:26 |
tinwhiskers | erm or just the regions | 05:27 |
tinwhiskers | regions (22) | 05:27 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, regions are 20, but i assume Trento and Bolzano are counted separately... | 05:27 |
tinwhiskers | ah | 05:27 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, i'd like provinces, personally, but it probably doesn't interest anyone in here but me | 05:28 |
tinwhiskers | they are only updates once a day, so you won't get any running stats like you do with other stuff | 05:28 |
tinwhiskers | But when they update your bot would want to show all 129 | 05:29 |
sneep | well... maybe people will see that being anti-authoritarian all the time is pretty stupid | 05:29 |
Spec | sneep: who is to say the authority in question would have, or is, doing the right thing? | 05:30 |
Spec | maybe people will see that the authorities don't always have your best interest in mind, as well | 05:30 |
freebobby[m] | > well... maybe people will see that being anti-authoritarian all the time is pretty stupid | 05:30 |
freebobby[m] | > | 05:30 |
freebobby[m] | Maybe they take care of each other better | 05:30 |
freebobby[m] | Or at least with more dignity | 05:30 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:23 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan shuts down 11 makeshift hospitals as China cases slow: Chinese state broadcaster CCTV said 11 of the 14 makeshift hospitals in Wuhan built for treatment of the new coronavirus have closed. → https://is.gd/AYtr7c | 05:31 |
sneep | Wow, actually good news | 05:32 |
tinwhiskers | I'm not convinced that *is* good news | 05:33 |
sneep | Why not? | 05:34 |
tinwhiskers | IMO, the ideal situation is that you want to let the virus run it's course but slow it to a rate such that your medical services are not overrun. If you close up too much then you're just asking to have another outbreak when you open up again. The economic cost and possible the costs in lives may be worse if you quarantine too heavily. | 05:35 |
tinwhiskers | They can't keep strict quarantine going forever. | 05:35 |
fructose | I'd say it's good news. It's not like they can't open them up again. | 05:40 |
fructose | They're just directing patients to regular hospitals rather than makeshift ones. | 05:41 |
freebobby[m] | I wonder if an econolodge counts as a makeshift hospital in the US | 05:41 |
tinwhiskers | fructose: fair | 05:41 |
tinwhiskers | fructose: but I've also heard their regular hospitals have a lot of empty beds now so I think they may have gone past the optimum point | 05:42 |
tinwhiskers | There's some evidence that once the virus reaches about 20% of your population it starts finding it difficult to find new hosts (i.e. weak herd immunity) so if you can slow it until then you may well keep on top of it without such drastic economic impacts. | 05:43 |
freebobby[m] | > There's some evidence that once the virus reaches about 20% of your population it starts finding it difficult to find new hosts (i.e. weak herd immunity) so if you can slow it until then you may well keep on top of it without such drastic economic impacts. | 05:55 |
freebobby[m] | > | 05:55 |
freebobby[m] | Thats interesting, are there any research papers discussing this? | 05:55 |
tinwhiskers | I wish I could point to where I read that but it was something an epidemiologist was saying after doing some modelling with what is known of the disease epidemiology. There's no papers yet I don't think. | 05:57 |
freebobby[m] | no worries, it would at least stand to reason | 05:57 |
freebobby[m] | but that cant quite cut it for me in re:covid19 anymore | 05:58 |
freebobby[m] | else the world is ending and also not at the same time | 05:59 |
tinwhiskers | I was surprised about a figure as low as 20% because herd immunity usually only starts working at much higher percentages, but I didn't investigate. | 05:59 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 04:53 UTC: worldnews: Livethread: Global COVID-19 outbreak → https://is.gd/1zRjTi | 05:59 |
tinwhiskers | but if it's in the ballpark then that's really good news | 06:00 |
freebobby[m] | at glance it would make the data fit | 06:01 |
freebobby[m] | it was hard for me to imagine such strict quarentine measures actually pushing growth rate so low | 06:02 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +31 cases (now 110152), +1 deaths (now 3825), +5 recoveries (now 62094) 🔸 Australia: +13 cases (now 93) 🔸 Canada: +2 cases (now 66) 🔸 Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 9) 🔸 Ecuador: +1 cases (now 15) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Mainland China: +1 deaths (now 3119), +3 recoveries (now 58603) 🔸 Beijing, Mainland China: +7 recoveries (now 315) 🔸 Guangdong, Mainland China: +1 deaths (now 8), +4 recoveri | 06:02 |
tinwhiskers | it doesn't stack up in provinces outside Hubei. In China I think you can explain it by their strict quarantine measures (or lack of reporting) | 06:03 |
tinwhiskers | Other provinces have no gone anywhere near 20% and have still dropped to almost nothing | 06:03 |
freebobby[m] | probably a mix of both | 06:03 |
freebobby[m] | its pretty amazing the amount of asymptomatic/extremely mild cases being reported | 06:04 |
freebobby[m] | * its pretty amazing the percentage of asymptomatic/extremely mild cases being reported | 06:05 |
tinwhiskers | there's no reports of asymptomatic cases... they don't have any symptoms. | 06:06 |
tinwhiskers | Oh, I guess some places they are still testing asymptomatic case. My bad. | 06:06 |
tinwhiskers | Most places are not testing people without symptoms | 06:06 |
freebobby[m] | yeah i guess i also use that as an analog for having a mild cold and not really thinking twice about it | 06:07 |
yuriwho | here's a good article collecting a lot of solid information. Please disregard the fact it come from a lefty political blog website, the information is accurate and useful: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/8/1925485/-Coronavirus-Some-more-research-findings-about-the-virus?utm_campaign=trending | 06:12 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:03 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan shuts down 11 makeshift hospitals as China cases slow: Chinese state broadcaster CCTV said 11 of the 14 makeshift hospitals in Wuhan built for treatment of the new coronavirus have closed. → https://is.gd/AYtr7c | 06:12 |
tinwhiskers | yuriwho: there's some really good info in there! | 06:17 |
sneep | lol, great video | 06:26 |
twomoons | now we're getting financial news | 06:47 |
freebobby[m] | Dow Futures were...ruff | 06:49 |
sneep | (The question on everybody's mind: What's GFC?) | 06:49 |
freebobby[m] | lol thats literally the only reason i clicked the article | 06:50 |
freebobby[m] | Global Financial Crisis -- 2008 | 06:50 |
subring | global financial crisis? | 06:50 |
twomoons | haha | 06:50 |
freebobby[m] | ding ding ding | 06:50 |
subring | what do i win? a trip for two on the diamond princess? | 06:51 |
freebobby[m] | In the states we call it The Great Recession or similar | 06:51 |
freebobby[m] | lol you get a free dust mask | 06:51 |
subring | n95, i gope | 06:52 |
subring | hope* | 06:52 |
twomoons | in spain they called it a depression | 06:52 |
twomoons | some ppl called it that | 06:52 |
twomoons | because it was far worse for spain than for the US | 06:52 |
sneep | I was a college student and wholly unaffected | 06:53 |
twomoons | the truth is that it didn't affect my amazon business much | 06:53 |
freebobby[m] | Is it normal for two N95 masks to cost 40 dollars | 06:53 |
twomoons | so i can't say it was actually a recession | 06:53 |
twomoons | it was weird | 06:53 |
twomoons | yeah | 06:54 |
twomoons | that's the going rate now | 06:54 |
freebobby[m] | was not pre-covid tho correct? | 06:54 |
twomoons | no it was much cheaper | 06:55 |
twomoons | but N95 masks are annoying to breathe through | 06:55 |
subring | disposable ones usually run $2 or so | 06:55 |
freebobby[m] | because this is fucking me up | 06:56 |
subring | that's the pre-covid rate | 06:56 |
sneep | I'm getting my next mask shipment on Friday | 06:58 |
sneep | Paid 9000 yen | 06:58 |
sneep | Works out to 300 yen per mask | 06:58 |
twomoons | i feel stupid for getting masks already | 06:58 |
subring | what's that in real money? | 06:58 |
BruntLIVE | who is the offical sponsor of the virus? | 06:59 |
twomoons | i shoulda spent the money on an O2 concentrator | 06:59 |
subring | Nike | 06:59 |
sneep | Probably approximately 3 (USD/EUR/...) | 06:59 |
freebobby[m] | Are you in CN? | 06:59 |
sneep | CN is yuan | 06:59 |
sneep | yen is Japan | 06:59 |
subring | you got masks for $3/each? not bad | 06:59 |
freebobby[m] | oh right | 07:00 |
freebobby[m] | <---merican | 07:00 |
subring | how'd you manage that miracle? | 07:00 |
sneep | Japan has high production | 07:00 |
subring | what brand? | 07:00 |
sneep | 超立体 | 07:02 |
sneep | Unicharm | 07:03 |
subring | in japan do they do the same crap as in the u.s. | 07:04 |
subring | tell you not to buy masks because they "don't work"? | 07:04 |
freebobby[m] | personally would rather buy 40$ of rice n beens | 07:05 |
sneep | subring: No, they don't | 07:05 |
subring | not toilet paper like the rest of the fucking demented population? | 07:05 |
freebobby[m] | thats what showers are for | 07:05 |
sneep | People in Japan have been habitually using masks for quite a while | 07:06 |
twomoons | TP vs. rice&beans lol | 07:06 |
sneep | So they've always had rather high production | 07:06 |
subring | pandemic on the way...do i need water? no. food? no. i just need 6 months worth of paper to wipe my ass with. | 07:06 |
subring | who thinks that way? a lot do. but why?!?! | 07:06 |
twomoons | this is nuts | 07:06 |
freebobby[m] | >who thinks that way? a lot do. but why?!?! | 07:07 |
freebobby[m] | > | 07:07 |
freebobby[m] | Not even worth attempting a snarky answer | 07:07 |
twomoons | TP must be a status symbol | 07:08 |
twomoons | if you invite a guest over and don't have TP that must look real bad | 07:08 |
freebobby[m] | I remember my Gram talk about the great depression. She said sure it was tough but people stuck together, helped eachother. She had people sleep in the hay barn for a while. Im personally looking forward to the day where I can share the same story about this to the grandkids | 07:08 |
twomoons | yah my great grandma said she would make hot plates for a regular group of guys every day almost | 07:09 |
twomoons | ppl helped each other out | 07:09 |
subring | you'll be able to share the story about the day you let strangers sleep over during COVID-19 and woke up and your flat screen and your car were gone. | 07:09 |
freebobby[m] | lol honestly dont even own a tv but i get the picture | 07:10 |
subring | the 1930s are long gone... | 07:10 |
twomoons | i want my TV gone | 07:10 |
twomoons | i want my blender gone | 07:10 |
subring | no use trying to make believe you're a character in grapes of wrath | 07:10 |
freebobby[m] | lmao | 07:10 |
twomoons | take my fake van goghs too | 07:11 |
freebobby[m] | idk personally have a good community of people around me | 07:11 |
sneep | Just put high price tags on the stuff you want gone | 07:11 |
subring | freebobby[m]: you're lucky | 07:11 |
sneep | Broken blender -> $1000 | 07:11 |
freebobby[m] | yeah thats just what i was typing | 07:11 |
twomoons | lol | 07:12 |
sneep | TV -> $0.50 | 07:12 |
subring | haven't you seen the videos of peopel trampling each other or getting into brawls at best buy during black friday? | 07:12 |
subring | just wait until food shortages arrive | 07:12 |
sneep | black eyeday | 07:12 |
twomoons | there's so much food in this country it won't happen | 07:12 |
subring | if it gets to that, it won't be pretty. it won't be like the stories of your granny. it'll be like mad max. | 07:13 |
twomoons | what could happen is a fight over luxury foods like marshmallows or something | 07:13 |
freebobby[m] | I didnt even see that in wuhan. | 07:13 |
freebobby[m] | yeah id agree with twomoons | 07:13 |
twomoons | or pop tarts | 07:13 |
subring | yeah, because in wuhan you have a government that'll put you in a gulag if you act up | 07:13 |
freebobby[m] | personally still dont think its the apocolypse | 07:13 |
sneep | https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/07/it-isnt-mad-max-police-warning-after-shoppers-brawl-over-toilet-paper-in-sydney | 07:14 |
subring | i mean shit | 07:14 |
subring | it doesn't take much | 07:14 |
twomoons | australia is such a small country i thought ppl would get along more | 07:15 |
subring | it's a huge country though the population is not that big - but it is concentrated on the coasts. | 07:15 |
subring | and they have had huge waves of immigration, so social cohesion is probably lower than what it once was. | 07:16 |
mandiblegrip | subring: correct | 07:16 |
twomoons | the movies give you this idea that australians are all calm and orderly | 07:16 |
mandiblegrip | I am Australian. We have separate "communities" for the most part. | 07:16 |
sneep | except when it comes to toilet paper | 07:16 |
freebobby[m] | <sneep "https://www.theguardian.com/aust"> haven't you seen the videos of peopel trampling each other or getting into brawls at best buy during black friday? | 07:16 |
sneep | freebobby[m]: Some human behavior I will never understand | 07:17 |
freebobby[m] | I dont fuk with austrailians they wrestle stingrays | 07:17 |
freebobby[m] | > The price of Brent crude oil fell nearly 30% to $21.14 on Monday, its biggest single fall since the start of the first Gulf war in 1991. Some experts predicted that it could fall even further unless the Saudis and Russians returned to the bargaining table. | 07:18 |
freebobby[m] | Rough times tho to be sure | 07:18 |
freebobby[m] | * The price of Brent crude oil fell nearly 30% to $21.14 on Monday, its biggest single fall since the start of the first Gulf war in 1991. Some experts predicted that it could fall even further unless the Saudis and Russians returned to the bargaining table. | 07:18 |
freebobby[m] | > | 07:18 |
freebobby[m] | Rough times tho to be sure | 07:18 |
twomoons | freebobby[m], futures or spot? | 07:18 |
mandiblegrip | The Australian stock market dropped 7.33% today. | 07:19 |
freebobby[m] | The arctile doesnt specify, but when i was checking it out early futures were down 40% i believe | 07:19 |
twomoons | holy shit 7.33 | 07:20 |
freebobby[m] | Since they mention Monday and not Sunday id assume they are talking spot | 07:20 |
mandiblegrip | twomoons: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/09/australian-stock-market-down-733-in-worst-day-since-gfc-as-coronavirus-sparks-recession-fears | 07:20 |
freebobby[m] | DOW Futures dropped 4% in the first 15 mins | 07:21 |
twomoons | wow | 07:21 |
twomoons | i see Brent at $33 | 07:22 |
subring | the law of disorder | 07:22 |
subring | covid + oil wars + noko shooting missiles | 07:22 |
subring | probably time to reboot this simulation | 07:23 |
freebobby[m] | to be fair stock market has been inflated af | 07:23 |
twomoons | yeah true | 07:23 |
freebobby[m] | since GFC | 07:23 |
mandiblegrip | So will it bounce back once the vaccine is being administered, or are we in for Great Depression II? | 07:23 |
freebobby[m] | imo itll setlle pre great depression | 07:24 |
freebobby[m] | but we are a year at least from vaccine.... a year is hopefull | 07:24 |
freebobby[m] | we are gunna get really good at vid games | 07:24 |
sneep | Wow, you [m] guys are on matrix? | 07:25 |
mandiblegrip | freebobby[m]: Haha, I was telling people weeks ago to buy Blizzard stocks. We'll all be playing World of Warcraft within a month. | 07:25 |
sneep | https://matrix.org/blog/2015/06/22/the-matrix-org-irc-bridge-now-bridges-all-of-freenode :O | 07:26 |
freebobby[m] | not sure i dont see [m]'s | 07:26 |
sneep | 15:26 < freebobby[m]> not sure i dont see [m]'s | 07:26 |
freebobby[m] | yeah dogg | 07:27 |
freebobby[m] | matrix protocol is prety tight | 07:27 |
sneep | 15:18 * freebobby[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ilvfgNErYyGIlfzPghiZpKoI > | 07:27 |
freebobby[m] | not perfect but does a darn good job | 07:27 |
freebobby[m] | yeah was wondering how IRC would handle that, I saw yalls freenode tags | 07:28 |
sneep | So I was wondering if I should fuel up my car, just in case | 07:29 |
freebobby[m] | * >The numbers of new deaths and infections continued to fall in China. China reported 22 new deaths, the lowest new cases on record. There were 40 new cases nationwide, with most in Hubei. | 07:29 |
freebobby[m] | > | 07:29 |
freebobby[m] | This is honestly astounding and I hope not a case of failure to report | 07:29 |
freebobby[m] | Gas is gunna be cheap af lol | 07:29 |
sneep | But apparently if the price of crude oil is falling I guess there's no need? | 07:29 |
freebobby[m] | imo gasoline glut is more likely | 07:30 |
sneep | Should I buy containers so that I can sell my gas when the price is higher again? | 07:30 |
freebobby[m] | transportation is slowing down, planes trains freight | 07:30 |
sneep | Hmm not worth the fire risk | 07:30 |
freebobby[m] | buy beans | 07:31 |
freebobby[m] | or short the market | 07:31 |
freebobby[m] | >Saudi Arabia cordoned off the oil-rich, predominantly Shia region of Qatif, suspended air and sea travel to nine countries and closed schools and universities as the number of cases in the kingdom continued to increase. | 07:35 |
freebobby[m] | > | 07:35 |
freebobby[m] | So im not an oil geo politics expert. I cant quite piece together the Saudi - Russian oil. Like why now? Why go so hard in ramping up production. Are they just tryin to pull as much oil as they can before Quarenteen measures slow down production? | 07:35 |
azy | Buy beans you can sprout and eat raw | 07:38 |
azy | So not kidney | 07:38 |
subring | opec couldn't stike a deal | 07:39 |
subring | so saudi said "fuck y'all" imma bottom out prices to destroy your economies (to the other opec countries) | 07:39 |
subring | hoping that would bring them back to the table | 07:39 |
freebobby[m] | thats rough, especially right now | 07:39 |
subring | helps actually | 07:40 |
subring | as recessions fears hit, it's good to at least have cheap energy | 07:40 |
freebobby[m] | doesnt that fuck up the dollar tho? | 07:43 |
subring | if you're a consumer, which we all are, then cheap oil will help | 07:43 |
subring | if you're a petro economy then it fucks you up | 07:43 |
subring | now, this could really hurt the shale guys operating in the u.s. | 07:45 |
subring | so, many analysts think this is putin's way of getting back at the u.s. for nord stream 2 and rosnet. | 07:48 |
sneep | matrix seems decent | 07:48 |
subring | by walking away from opec+, russia essentially lets prices drop, and shale frackers in the u.s. get slammed | 07:49 |
subring | so the saudi call to reduce production falls apart | 07:49 |
subring | and all hell breaks loose. net net we benefit | 07:49 |
freebobby[m] | seems that it would have a deflationary pressure on the us economy as industrial commodities decline in demand | 07:53 |
freebobby[m] | but honestly this is not my wheelhouse | 07:53 |
freebobby[m] | matrix is more my wheelhouse than this lol | 07:54 |
pwr22 | !cases china | 08:19 |
freebobby[m] | congrats sneep | 08:20 |
freebobby[m] | i can sneep you now | 08:20 |
freebobby[m] | oh. sneep | 08:20 |
sneep[m] | apparently matrix displays who's currently typing | 08:21 |
freebobby[m] | mhmm | 08:21 |
freebobby[m] | it used to show who was online | 08:21 |
freebobby[m] | lol nice | 08:21 |
sneep | the client i decided to try out probably isn't very good | 08:22 |
freebobby[m] | riot is usually the one to go with | 08:23 |
freebobby[m] | for gui | 08:23 |
freebobby[m] | ive messed with weechat cuz im a terminal nerd, but its a pain in the ass | 08:23 |
sneep | i used irssi for irc | 08:23 |
sneep | use* | 08:23 |
freebobby[m] | lol freudian slip | 08:23 |
sneep | weechat is similar enough though we used to look down on weechat because it wasn't irssi :) | 08:24 |
freebobby[m] | yeah ive used w/ irc | 08:24 |
freebobby[m] | but no matrix bridge afaik | 08:24 |
sneep | i decided to go with quaternion because it uses qt, same as my desktop environment. but it seems kind of lame | 08:25 |
pwr22 | That one isn't very good iirc | 08:26 |
freebobby[m] | Riot has the best E2EE implementation that was my use case | 08:26 |
pwr22 | Do I have a [m] on IRC? I've registered my nick so probably not | 08:27 |
sneep | 16:27 < pwr22> Do I have a [m] on IRC? I've registered my nick so probably not | 08:27 |
pwr22 | Thanks | 08:28 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +12 cases (now 110164), +51 recoveries (now 62145) 🔶 Mainland China: +3 cases (now 80738), +1 deaths (now 3119), +53 recoveries (now 58653) 🔸 Australia: +13 cases (now 93) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 67) 🔸 Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 9) 🔸 Ecuador: +1 cases (now 15) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Georgia: +2 cases (now 15) 🔸 India: +1 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Latvia: +3 cases (now 6) 🔸 Beijing, Ma | 08:29 |
tinwhiskers | sneep: no, you don't | 08:36 |
tinwhiskers | Oh. Lol. Nevermind | 08:36 |
sneep | Are there that many people who spend their entire income every month? | 08:39 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 Shandong, Mainland China: +52 recoveries (now 699) 🔸 Australia: +13 cases (now 93) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 67) 🔸 Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 9) 🔸 Ecuador: +1 cases (now 15) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Georgia: +2 cases (now 15) 🔸 India: +1 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Latvia: +3 cases (now 6) 🔸 Mainland China: +23 recoveries (now 58676) 🔸 Chongqing, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 528) 🔸 World: + | 08:42 |
skyofdust | sneep, I'm using weechat | 08:45 |
skyofdust | It's cool, I'm using a texto to speech pluin so I can listen to the chat channels while I do stuff it's fun :P | 08:45 |
subring | are these chinese recoveries true? i read some article that some whistleblowers are saying the chinese news is all fake | 08:48 |
sneep | %cases shandong | 08:49 |
Brainstorm | sneep: In Shandong, Mainland China, there are 758 cases, 6 deaths (0.8% of cases), 699 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 08:33:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Shandong for time series data. | 08:49 |
Brainstorm | sneep: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 0.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 08:49 |
sneep | those graphs don't look too weird | 08:50 |
pwr22 | %cases wales | 08:50 |
Brainstorm | pwr22: In New South Wales, Australia, there are 38 cases, 3 deaths (7.9% of cases), 4 recoveries as of Sun Mar 8 06:13:07 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20South%20Wales for time series data. | 08:50 |
sneep | no love for old wales | 08:51 |
mefistofeles | subring: depends, what are they exactly saying it is fake? | 08:57 |
subring | mefistofeles: the recovery stats | 08:58 |
subring | https://theweek.com/speedreads/900488/chinas-coronavirus-recovery-all-fake-whistleblowers-residents-claim | 08:58 |
pwr22 | We'll just have to see | 09:04 |
pwr22 | There seems little reason for China to lie so aggressively given everyone else is in the same boat | 09:04 |
pwr22 | Imo | 09:05 |
sneep | Ah that's what you mean | 09:31 |
sneep | You mean recovery as in economic recovery | 09:31 |
sneep | Yes, those reports seemed reliable to me | 09:31 |
sneep | Not a big deal IMO though | 09:32 |
sneep | The government wants factories to do stuff but the workers are scared => cook the books a little bit and everyone is happy | 09:33 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit Italy live at 08:45 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il calo della borsa è probabilmente dovuto sia al coronavirus in Italia, sia per tagli drastici al prezzo di olio nell'Arabia Saudita. → https://is.gd/y4vqQE | 09:51 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +107 cases (now 110271), +1 deaths (now 3826), +38 recoveries (now 62206) 🔶 South Korea: +96 cases (now 7478) 🔶 Mainland China: +61 recoveries (now 58714) 🔸 Australia: +13 cases (now 93) 🔸 Austria: +8 cases (now 112) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 67) 🔸 Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 9) 🔸 Ecuador: +1 cases (now 15) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Georgia: +2 cases (now 15) 🔸 Hungary: +2 cases (n | 10:03 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +84 cases (now 110355), +3 deaths (now 3829) 🔶 Hubei, Mainland China: +34 recoveries (now 46485) 🔶 Germany: +72 cases (now 1112) 🔸 Australia: +13 cases (now 93) 🔸 Austria: +8 cases (now 112) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 67) 🔸 Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 9) 🔸 Ecuador: +1 cases (now 15) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Georgia: +2 cases (now 15) 🔸 Hungary: +2 cases (now 9) 🔸 India: +1 recover | 10:16 |
fructose | https://i.imgur.com/g7hDvUS.png | 10:34 |
azy | https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambucus | 10:34 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 09:55 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Passenger Deliberately SPITS at air stewardess, has to be contained. Covid-19 → https://is.gd/Xkq94F | 11:09 |
mefistofeles | lol @ Brainstorm | 11:16 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live at 10:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, alcuni detenuti evadono dal carcere di Foggia e vengono bloccati all'esterno - la Repubblica → https://is.gd/CQnI7m | 11:23 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +298 cases (now 110688), +1 deaths (now 3841), +2 recoveries (now 62210) 🔶 Spain: +234 cases (now 909) 🔶 Germany: +39 cases (now 1151) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong: +1 cases (now 115) 🔸 Mainland China: +1 deaths (now 3120), +2 recoveries (now 58718) 🔸 Hubei, Mainland China: +1 deaths (now 3008) 🔸 Shandong, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 700) 🔸 Tianjin, Mainland Chin | 11:30 |
mefistofeles | wow, Spain | 11:34 |
mefistofeles | %data Spain | 11:34 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Spain, there are 909 cases, 17 deaths (1.9% of cases), 32 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 11:15:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 11:34 |
mefistofeles | %data Germany | 11:35 |
Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 1151 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 11:15:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 11:35 |
mefistofeles | no deaths, impressive | 11:35 |
mefistofeles | of course, still few recoveries as well | 11:35 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live at 10:27 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, rivolta a Milano nel carcere di San Vittore: detenuti sui tetti - la Repubblica → https://is.gd/uYmj4g | 11:37 |
sneep | "The unrest for the anti-diffusion rules of the coronavirus that impose the suspension of talks with relatives also arrives in the Milanese prison of San Vittore: prisoners have climbed onto the roofs, the prison police are intervening to quell the unrest in the wards. Yesterday also riots in other Italian prisons, from Pavia to Modena." | 11:39 |
mefistofeles | woah | 11:40 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:45 UTC: (news): Sen. Ted Cruz, Rep. Paul Gosar self-quarantining after interaction with CPAC attendee who tested positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/x7nGxD | 11:51 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +55 cases (now 110743), +4 recoveries (now 62214) 🔶 Belgium: +39 cases (now 239) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Iraq: +5 cases (now 65) 🔸 Israel: +1 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Kuwait: +1 cases (now 65) 🔸 Mainland China: +3 recoveries (now 58721) 🔸 Norway: +1 cases (now 178) 🔸 Poland: +4 cases (now 15) 🔸 Portugal: +1 cases (now 31) 🔸 Slovakia: +1 cases (now 6) 🔸 Spain: +2 cases (now 911) 🔸 | 11:57 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +595 cases (now 111338), +51 deaths (now 3892), +260 recoveries (now 62474) 🔶 Iran: +595 cases (now 7161), +43 deaths (now 237), +260 recoveries (now 2394) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Spain: +8 deaths (now 25) | 12:10 |
Timvde | %cases Belgium | 12:36 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +56 cases (now 111394), +1 recoveries (now 62475) 🔶 Switzerland: +42 cases (now 374) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Poland: +1 cases (now 16) | 12:36 |
Brainstorm | Timvde: In all areas, Belgium, there are 239 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 11:43:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgium for time series data. | 12:36 |
Timvde | Today is my last day of holiday, I usually go by train... | 12:37 |
Timvde | Maybe I should take the car for a change? | 12:37 |
pwr22 | I have returned from the doctor's and executed fastidious hygiene! | 12:38 |
pwr22 | Even my phone has been disinfected | 12:38 |
contingo | what did the doctor say? | 12:41 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:43 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Staff worker at Disneyland Paris tests positive for virus: A maintenance worker at Disneyland Paris has tested positive for the coronavirus, Reuters reported on Monday, citing a spokesperson. → https://is.gd/AYtr7c | 12:45 |
python476 | o/ | 12:50 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +37 cases (now 111431) 🔶 Spain: +37 cases (now 948) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Hubei, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 46487) 🔸 Shanxi, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 127) 🔸 Poland: +1 cases (now 16) | 12:50 |
pwr22 | <contingo "what did the doctor say?"> Just checking up on mental health stuff mainly | 13:03 |
pwr22 | Though me made me take a ventolin inhaler because of cornavirus stuff | 13:03 |
pwr22 | Take as in get one just in case I get it | 13:03 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:09 UTC: (news): Sen. Ted Cruz, Rep. Paul Gosar self-quarantine after interaction with CPAC attendee who tested positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/x7nGxD | 13:12 |
contingo | fair enough | 13:13 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +31 cases (now 111462) 🔶 Spain: +31 cases (now 979) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Hubei, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 46487) 🔸 Shanxi, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 127) 🔸 Poland: +1 cases (now 16) 🔸 Sonoma County, CA, US: +2 cases (now 3) | 13:17 |
pwr22 | Help, I got some aloe vera gel but my isopropyl alcohol seems to denature it | 13:31 |
pwr22 | It becomes globular white strands | 13:31 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +64 cases (now 111526), +10 recoveries (now 62485) 🔶 Sweden: +44 cases (now 248) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Mainland China: +10 recoveries (now 58731) 🔸 Heilongjiang, Mainland China: +10 recoveries (now 431) 🔸 Hubei, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 46487) 🔸 Shanxi, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 127) 🔸 Norway: +1 cas | 13:44 |
sneep | pwr22: Did you try diluting your IPA first? | 13:48 |
pwr22 | Nope because I'm not sure how I'll get a 70% level in the final result | 13:49 |
pwr22 | I tried 2/3 IPA with 1/3 gel | 13:49 |
sneep | You don't need the aloe anyway | 13:49 |
pwr22 | And it already looks like that's not gonna be enough gel to give it a gel consistency | 13:49 |
pwr22 | The aloe just makes it easier to use / less harmful to skin overall I guess | 13:50 |
pwr22 | I'll try diluting it later anyway, just using up a lot of IPA experimenting :D | 13:51 |
sneep | You don't need to be exact either | 13:51 |
sneep | What are the odds that "70%" is an exact number? | 13:51 |
pwr22 | I kind of want it in a 60-70 range | 13:52 |
pwr22 | and I think it's already a bit diluted due to evaporation | 13:52 |
pwr22 | So playing it safe aiming for 70 | 13:52 |
pwr22 | I'll find a way.... somehow! | 13:52 |
Brainstorm | New from Scientific American at 13:00 UTC: Health: The Poor and Marginalized Will Be the Hardest Hit by Coronavirus → https://is.gd/FRuUUo | 14:07 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +64 cases (now 111590), +5 recoveries (now 62490) 🔶 Spain: +57 cases (now 1036) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Mainland China: +15 recoveries (now 58736) 🔸 Heilongjiang, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 423) 🔸 Hubei, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 46487) 🔸 Shanxi, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 127) 🔸 North Macedonia: | 14:11 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Amazon won't dock warehouse workers' pay, Iran cases surpass 7,100 → https://is.gd/WPl4mu | 14:20 |
tinwhiskers | Italy overtakes South Korea and Iran will probably do the same tomorrow. South Korea infections continue to slow and hint at peaking. Theirs problems may largely have been due to that crazy cult spreading the disease but it looks like they have their shit together. | 14:23 |
yuriwho | US markets open down 7%, I think that triggers a trading halt | 14:31 |
mefistofeles | yuriwho: really? according to some law/rules? | 14:32 |
mefistofeles | or just a aguess | 14:32 |
yuriwho | they are still trading | 14:33 |
python476 | 2020 the year where the planet froze | 14:33 |
mefistofeles | nah | 14:33 |
python476 | burned ? | 14:33 |
yuriwho | here are the trading rules: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/09/sp-500-futures-are-frozen-after-tanking-5percent-heres-what-happens-when-circuit-breakers-kick-in.html | 14:33 |
yuriwho | they were withing .1% of halting in the first few mins, must have some fast algo trading that stopped it | 14:35 |
yuriwho | they are now halted for 15 mins | 14:35 |
yuriwho | glad I'm not panic calling my broker as I sold 2 ½ weeks ago | 14:36 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 Netherlands: +56 cases (now 321) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Denmark: +24 cases (now 59) 🔸 Greece: +1 cases (now 74) 🔸 Iceland: +2 cases (now 60) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 North Macedonia: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Norway: +4 cases (now 182) 🔸 Palestine: +3 cases (now 25) 🔸 Poland: +1 cases (now 16) 🔸 Romania: +2 cases (now 17) 🔸 Saint Barthelemy: +2 cases (n | 14:37 |
contingo | pwr22 what's the full ingredients list? | 14:43 |
contingo | is there xanthan gum in it | 14:43 |
mefistofeles | bat blood | 14:44 |
contingo | ah a natural vaccine source | 14:44 |
LjL | "morning" | 14:47 |
mefistofeles | LjL: hey | 14:47 |
LjL | revolts inside and outside several italian prisons, including in Milan, Rome and Naples | 14:47 |
mefistofeles | yes, we heard, that sucks | 14:47 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Cruise ship docks at Florida port, tips for staying virus free → https://is.gd/WPl4mu | 14:48 |
LjL | specially for the inmates, since they apparently destroyed heating and other systems | 14:48 |
LjL | and windows, etc | 14:48 |
LjL | Milan Stock Exchange is down more than 10% | 14:48 |
contingo | with some deaths (in the prison riots) I read | 14:49 |
contingo | good day | 14:49 |
LjL | Timvde, if you can take the car and it's not going to be a problem with traffic, i would avoid public transport | 14:50 |
LjL | sneep, yes when you see people with [m] they are using Matrix, keep in mind this channel is also a Matrix room as #covid-19:matrix.org | 14:51 |
LjL | when you *don't* see [m] though, that doesn't mean they're not from Matrix anyway. whois LjL-Matrix for instance | 14:52 |
mefistofeles | we are being infected by the matrix | 14:52 |
mefistofeles | ;) | 14:52 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Stocks crater on virus anxiety, cruise ship docks at Florida port → https://is.gd/WPl4mu | 15:01 |
mefistofeles | tehre are cruises from 170 USD in the caribbean now :P | 15:02 |
LjL | lol | 15:03 |
LjL | i'd be tempted, if only i could without being arrested | 15:03 |
mefistofeles | heh yes | 15:03 |
LjL | they've implemented a self-certification system here now, where if you want to be going somewhere (in theory anywhere, even just within your city) you must print this form and detail the reasons you're moving around for | 15:04 |
LjL | this couple just stated that they wanted to be having a holiday, and they were inevitably arrested | 15:04 |
LjL | https://static.gedidigital.it/repubblica/pdf/2020/cronaca/moduloautodichiarazione.pdf ← Italy's module for self-certifying that you have good reasons to be outside | 15:19 |
LjL | the spaces to write stuff are so ridiculously small | 15:19 |
LjL | "I'm leaving because ___" (space for barely one word) | 15:19 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Stocks crater amid anxiety; Amazon, Microsoft each donate $1M → https://is.gd/WPl4mu | 15:29 |
LjL | "six die in prison protest linked to Italian clampdown" ← from what i understand, they broke into the prison's pharmacy and injected themselves with... things | 15:30 |
LjL | maybe this is indeed natural selection at work :| | 15:30 |
BruntLIVE | yikes | 15:33 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +82223 cases (now 111708), +3217 deaths (now 3892), +58854 recoveries (now 62504) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Denmark: +24 cases (now 59) 🔸 Greece: +1 cases (now 74) 🔸 Iceland: +2 cases (now 60) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Mainland China: +19 recoveries (now 58740) 🔸 Ch | 15:44 |
sneep | wow, 82223 cases in two hours | 15:49 |
_io_ | is the bot broken? how is it supposed to work? | 15:50 |
p_hpd[m] | Denmark is the official figure? | 15:50 |
_io_ | or the site broken? | 15:51 |
pwr22 | <contingo "is there xanthan gum in it"> yeah | 15:53 |
pwr22 | %cases china | 15:55 |
Brainstorm | pwr22: In all areas, Mainland China, there are 80739 cases, 3120 deaths (3.9% of cases), 58740 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 15:34:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mainland%20China for time series data. | 15:55 |
pwr22 | !cases china | 15:55 |
Brainstorm | pwr22: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 5.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 15:55 |
yuriwho | the johns hopkins site is messed up showing about 2x the cases | 15:55 |
yuriwho | for some countries | 15:56 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Princeton classes go virtual; Amazon, Microsoft each donate $1M → https://is.gd/WPl4mu | 15:56 |
yuriwho | hey darsie | 15:56 |
darsie | . | 15:56 |
pwr22 | I broke my bot working round a change in the data - and now it's changed back | 15:59 |
pwr22 | !cases china | 16:01 |
pwr22 | fixed now | 16:01 |
LjL | <_io_> is the bot broken? how is it supposed to work? ← the bot is probably not broken, i expect it was a glitch in the data | 16:05 |
python476 | mother found ant insecticide.. my bedroom now looks like a cemetery | 16:07 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:07 UTC: (news): FDA warns televangelist Jim Bakker and six others to stop selling fraudulent coronavirus products → https://is.gd/UDiGfc | 16:10 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +85 cases (now 111793), +27 recoveries (now 62531) 🔶 UK: +39 cases (now 319) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Denmark: +24 cases (now 59) 🔸 Germany: +13 cases (now 1164) 🔸 Greece: +1 cases (now 74) 🔸 Iceland: +2 cases (now 60) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Japan: +19 cases (n | 16:11 |
phil | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/09/covid-19-biologic-therapies-reviewed | 16:13 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Princeton classes go virtual; Amazon, Microsoft each donate $1M → https://is.gd/WPl4mu | 16:23 |
Timvde | LjL: traffic is usually pretty okay, but it's rather far and I like the comfort of the train and not "losing" two hours per day | 16:25 |
Timvde | And of course my employer pays my train, but it's my own car | 16:25 |
LjL | Timvde, i have a feeling public transport can be a *big* disease vector, but i have nothing to cite about it. | 16:25 |
Timvde | Same | 16:25 |
LjL | they pay for your train? that's so very much unlike italy | 16:26 |
mefistofeles | well, anything that groups people is a risk factor | 16:36 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:28 UTC: NY Gov. Cuomo identifies New Rochelle as 'hot spot' for the coronavirus in New York: Gov. Andrew Cuomo identified New Rochelle, a city in Westchester county where the first coronavirus patient in the state was found, as a hot spot in New York, which now has at least 106 confirmed cases. → https://is.gd/qxoiKB | 16:37 |
pwr22 | I have succeeded in making 200ml of hand gel! | 16:42 |
mefistofeles | heh cool | 16:43 |
pwr22 | Should be about 65% IPA | 16:43 |
mefistofeles | sounds like a strong IPA beer | 16:43 |
pwr22 | ha ha | 16:43 |
mefistofeles | pwr22: what's IPA in this context? fwiw | 16:44 |
pwr22 | isopropyl alcohol | 16:44 |
mefistofeles | ah ok | 16:44 |
mefistofeles | they recommend 70%, as far as I can remember | 16:44 |
pwr22 | I saw 60-70% as the idea range | 16:45 |
pwr22 | beyond 70% it actually starts being worse (and below 60) | 16:45 |
pwr22 | 130ml 99.9% alcohol + 40ml filtered water (no idea if that matters) + 30ml aloe vera gel | 16:45 |
pwr22 | Started by diluting 60ml of alcohol with the water to make a ~60% solution, mix those together, then mix in the gel | 16:45 |
pwr22 | Then titrate in the remaining alcohol whilst mixing | 16:46 |
pwr22 | This seemed to avoid the denaturing issue I had earlier | 16:46 |
pwr22 | I might do an experiment to see how high I can go before denaturing but this seems good enough and don't want to waste the alcohol | 16:46 |
mefistofeles | lol | 16:48 |
pwr22 | Being told not to panic buy long life foods and toilet rolls has caused an enormous run on them here in the UK 🤦♂️ | 16:51 |
CatButtes[m] | Wait shit. Were we told not to panic buy? | 16:53 |
sneep | Try reverse psychology next time | 16:54 |
CatButtes[m] | Pretty sure that would just cause looting tbh | 16:55 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Port Authority chief tests positive; New Rochelle, NY, a 'hot spot' → https://is.gd/WPl4mu | 17:04 |
LjL | ordering groceries online here is becoming increasingly difficult, impossible at some places. i expect it to become impossible everywhere shortly... | 17:06 |
pwr22 | ☹︎ | 17:07 |
CatButtes[m] | “Here” being Italy? | 17:07 |
LjL | CatButtes[m], yes, milan | 17:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:11 UTC: Gov. Cuomo confirms new coronavirus cases in New York, calls New Rochelle a 'hot spot': Gov. Andrew Cuomo identified New Rochelle, a city in Westchester county where the first coronavirus patient in the state was found, as a hot spot in New York, which now has at least 106 confirmed cases. → https://is.gd/qxoiKB | 17:18 |
LjL | [SIAARTI recommendations for treatment choice in case of lacks of beds](http://www.siaarti.it/SiteAssets/News/COVID19%20-%20documenti%20SIAARTI/SIAARTI%20-%20Covid19%20-%20Raccomandazioni%20di%20etica%20clinica.pdf) suggesting to exclude older age groups from treatment | 17:20 |
pwr22 | !cases italy | 17:29 |
_io_ | !cases Canada | 17:29 |
pwr22 | Do italy only update once per day? | 17:29 |
pwr22 | !cases uk | 17:30 |
CatButtes[m] | I suspect Italy are getting a little overwhelmed on the front lines at the moment | 17:31 |
pwr22 | heh, UK is still very early on it seems, most still stick | 17:31 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:28 UTC: (news): WHO says threat of pandemic 'has become very real' even as China recoveries rise → https://is.gd/y2rVBv | 17:32 |
pwr22 | * heh, UK is still very early on it seems, most still sick | 17:32 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +69 cases (now 111862) 🔶 Denmark: +55 cases (now 90) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Germany: +13 cases (now 1164) 🔸 Greece: +1 cases (now 74) 🔸 Iceland: +2 cases (now 60) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Japan: +19 cases (now 530), +25 recoveries | 17:32 |
_io_ | why is death so high in Italy? | 17:32 |
sneep | Wha, the WHO is waking up? | 17:33 |
CatButtes[m] | Older population and overwhelmed medical system | 17:33 |
python476 | in France, Hospital degraded quite a lot in the recent years | 17:34 |
python476 | very timely pandemia to remind everybody that Hospitals are critical | 17:34 |
LjL | WHO press conference is live at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJQTM4QbTsg | 17:35 |
pwr22 | !cases south k | 17:35 |
LjL | they already made their statement, now they're answering questions | 17:35 |
pwr22 | LjL: thanks | 17:35 |
pwr22 | Are people staying sick for a long time in south korea or are they not reporting recoveries | 17:36 |
LjL | pwr22, yes italy updates at 18:00 CET | 17:36 |
pwr22 | * Are people staying sick for a long time in south korea or are they not reporting recoveries? | 17:36 |
mefistofeles | they are probably taking the conservative approach | 17:36 |
pwr22 | Ah cool | 17:36 |
LjL | pwr22, Korea has drive-through testing, so my guess is maybe many people have tested positive but aren't really being tracked by the healthcare system because they're mostly okay at home | 17:36 |
mefistofeles | they can afford having more people and for longer periods in observation/treatment | 17:37 |
LjL | low death rate would also support that | 17:37 |
sneep | https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106420334-1583185950946covidbuyingpanic.png No love for celery | 17:37 |
pwr22 | Ah | 17:37 |
contingo | lol | 17:37 |
python476 | 10$ celery are effective in fighting viruses | 17:39 |
python476 | and energy drinks promote infection | 17:39 |
LjL | the advice should just be "don't travel, you idiots" | 17:41 |
pwr22 | !cases us | 17:44 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Third cruise ship kept at sea; billionaires are losing billions → https://is.gd/WPl4mu | 17:45 |
LjL | i think he's talking to italy right now | 17:47 |
pwr22 | who: GET THE **** INTO YOUR HOUSES AND STAY THERE!! | 17:48 |
slash_ | how are there still no cases in Turkey? They are testing afaik.. | 17:50 |
slash_ | with those millions of Syrian refugees this is a catastrophe waiting to happen | 17:51 |
underscore | !cases gr | 17:52 |
LjL | slash_, i don't believe the numbers from Turkey in the least | 17:53 |
slash_ | LjL neither do I, they're either not testing or they're not reporting | 17:53 |
LjL | keep in mind Erdogan clearly *used* this event to his advantage, given the action he understood in Syria and towards Greece | 17:54 |
slash_ | Istanbul is a huge international hub.. | 17:54 |
LjL | so i find it only natural that as the huge asshole he is, he'd also pretend Turkey is immune | 17:54 |
slash_ | yeah he does not shy from using human beings for his own gain, as we can see now at the Greek border | 17:55 |
slash_ | but imagine this spreading in the overcrowded refugee camps | 17:55 |
slash_ | it'll go like wildfire | 17:56 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +43 cases (now 111905) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Greece: +10 cases (now 84) 🔸 Lebanon: +9 cases (now 41) 🔸 Spain: +23 cases (now 1073) | 17:59 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:56 UTC: (news): WHO says threat of pandemic 'has become very real' even as China recoveries rise → https://is.gd/y2rVBv | 17:59 |
slash_ | China will just get new spreads from other countries now | 18:00 |
slash_ | also, these WHO guys really like their "windows of opportunity" | 18:00 |
LjL | slash_, considering we have no realistic idea what's happening in Africa, i expect spread in refugee camps is more than possible | 18:04 |
slash_ | LjL yeah, this is gonna be a very bad year for a lot of countries | 18:06 |
pwr22 | This WHO thing feels like a meeting at work were people feel like they need to be present for a certain amount of time and just keep saying the same things over and over | 18:09 |
slash_ | I went to a party in Amsterdam last friday for work.. and now several coworkers are sick with flu/cold symptoms, not having a good feeling about this | 18:10 |
slash_ | pwr22 they are trying to say encouraging things to improve morale, but maybe they should hire people with some charisma instead of these 3 lol... | 18:11 |
pwr22 | Yeah definitely | 18:12 |
pwr22 | slash_: I hope you don't get sick and turn out to be ok 🙂. Hopefully just flu! | 18:12 |
pwr22 | </trump> | 18:12 |
slash_ | we need like some JFK "ask not what your country can do.." type of charismatic speaker | 18:12 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:08 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Third cruise ship kept at sea, wealthy losing billions: As of Monday morning, more than 111,300 cases of the new coronavirus have been reported, resulting in at least 3,890 deaths. → https://is.gd/WPl4mu | 18:12 |
pwr22 | !cases | 18:13 |
LjL | pwr22, yes these WHO press conferences are generally underwhelming | 18:13 |
LjL | "Stay at home. Everyone should stop work and stay at home, except for urgent needs." | 18:14 |
LjL | that's what they should say to genuinely contribute to stopping this | 18:14 |
LjL | but instead they "have" to weigh it against economy concerns | 18:14 |
slash_ | LjL I am in my early 30's so I am not worried, but thank you. I have no symptoms, but I live in a neighborhood with a lot of old people, I do not wish to infect them and put them at risk | 18:14 |
pwr22 | I'm planning to go swimming as much as possible before the pools all close 😭 | 18:14 |
slash_ | LjL I mean, I am not worried for me* | 18:14 |
LjL | i understand, i'm also not overly worried for myself, but i live with my elderly parents | 18:15 |
pwr22 | <LjL "but instead they "have" to weigh"> I think it's more that if they say that people will go manic and society will get seriously fucked for a while | 18:15 |
LjL | pwr22, society WILL get seriously fucked for a while | 18:15 |
LjL | we're not going to avoid that | 18:15 |
pwr22 | In the uk people started rioting once because a politician didn't keep a promise they made to not increase tuition fees.... | 18:15 |
pwr22 | LjL: fucked in a different way - like anarchy and because of that really rampant spread | 18:16 |
pwr22 | Healthcare is probably going to get overwhelmed but it would be worse if law enforcement were also overwhelmed right? | 18:16 |
pwr22 | People love a good riot 😉 | 18:16 |
LjL | China has shown the only effective way to stop the spread so far: it happened when they controlled when and why people can leave their homes *completely*. it's a tough idea to face, but Italy is showing that softer measures *don't* work. | 18:17 |
slash_ | healthcare is going to be bad soon in the west.. | 18:17 |
pwr22 | Yeah true, in hotspots I think the advice should be to stay home | 18:17 |
slash_ | LjL how strict are the quarantines in Italy? | 18:18 |
slash_ | in China they have checkpoints and they use force to stop people from leaving the quarantined areas | 18:18 |
LjL | slash_, they are not nearly strict enough | 18:19 |
LjL | most people can effectively move just as always, they just face the *possibility* of a fine or arrest, which is not very likely in practice | 18:19 |
LjL | unless/until they deploy the army to make things real, this is just... less than even a stopgap | 18:20 |
slash_ | well that is not encouraging.. | 18:20 |
LjL | neither will be the numbers that are going to be published soon (in theory they've been published 20 minutes ago, haven't looked though) | 18:21 |
LjL | and to be honest, even if the numbers are lower than yesterday's, i am going to believe that's now due to bottlenecks in testing and hospitalization, rather than actual reduction of cases | 18:22 |
LjL | Civil Protection press conference is due in 8 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1yPaN2RLZw | 18:23 |
slash_ | there's probably also less testing capacity in the weekend | 18:23 |
LjL | no idea if automatic subtitle translation provided by youtube will be understandable | 18:23 |
LjL | but i will be able to give you the numbers | 18:23 |
LjL | or... well, it should have been due at 18, but the numbers are awaiting update, so i'm confused now | 18:24 |
freebobby[m] | In the midwest here, my partner was just told that from their program director that the medical school has a greater than 50% chance of being closed. No cases on campus, less than 5 in the metro area | 18:25 |
slash_ | LjL our news sites are usually very quick with the updates, they also have correspondents in Italy that are fluent in the language of course | 18:25 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +75 cases (now 111980) 🔶 US: +51 cases (now 617) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 70) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Finland: +3 cases (now 33) 🔸 Germany: +3 cases (now 1167) 🔸 Greece: +10 cases (now 84) 🔸 Indi | 18:26 |
slash_ | LjL youtube has a "live translation" beta feature for live streams, but it seems it is not enabled for that one | 18:28 |
LjL | My.computer just crashed | 18:28 |
LjL | So much for watching this | 18:28 |
slash_ | it is starting now I think | 18:28 |
LjL | i am wataching now | 18:30 |
LjL | on phone, but typing on computer, that'll do | 18:30 |
pwr22 | The video seems to have stopped for me | 18:30 |
slash_ | I understand some words, but my Italian is too terrible to properly understand it | 18:30 |
LjL | i don't know if they already gave the numbers, but my guess is no | 18:30 |
LjL | currently they're talking about the issue of skiing resort illegally staying open | 18:31 |
LjL | sigh | 18:31 |
slash_ | no i don't think so | 18:31 |
LjL | "the common sense we have requested has not only not been applied, but in some cases there have been shameful marketing operations, such as encouraging students who are free from school to go skiing" | 18:31 |
CatButtes[m] | Wow. That’s some fucked up marketing | 18:32 |
CatButtes[m] | That should be criminal | 18:32 |
slash_ | netherlands also having a live pressconference at 19:00 (UTC+1), UK also having one now | 18:32 |
slash_ | LjL that's terrible... | 18:33 |
slash_ | LjL greedy fuckers | 18:33 |
LjL | i will report on anything salient they're saying. right now they are not saying anything else interesting | 18:33 |
LjL | i think he'll give the numbers now | 18:34 |
LjL | recovered: +102, total 724 | 18:35 |
LjL | 97 deaths, total 463 | 18:35 |
LjL | 6 in lombardy, 14 in e-r, 3 marche, 2 veneto, 2 latium, 8 piedmont, 1 ligury, 1 tuscany | 18:35 |
LjL | about age groups | 18:35 |
slash_ | damn 97 deaths.. at least the new cases are lower | 18:35 |
LjL | 1% 50-59 yo | 18:35 |
LjL | 10% 60-69 | 18:35 |
LjL | 31 70-79 | 18:35 |
LjL | 44% 80-89 | 18:36 |
LjL | 14% >90 | 18:36 |
LjL | slash_, he didn't say the new cases yet | 18:36 |
slash_ | LjL ahh oke, sorry I thought you meant 463 cases, but those are deaths.. | 18:36 |
LjL | new cases: +1598, total 7985 | 18:36 |
LjL | new cases: +1598, total 7985 | 18:36 |
LjL | 10% in ICU | 18:36 |
LjL | 3000 in self-quarantine | 18:37 |
LjL | %cases italy | 18:37 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 7375 cases, 366 deaths (5.0% of cases), 622 recoveries as of Sun Mar 8 19:03:04 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:37 |
LjL | they are starting to distribute ventilators in various regions, starting with 90 in lombardy | 18:37 |
LjL | they are also delivering PPEs, so far 1 million face masks | 18:38 |
LjL | tomorrow they'll distribute 100k masks to the prisons | 18:38 |
slash_ | very bad news overall... | 18:38 |
LjL | also for prisons, 80 tents set up for pre-triage of suspected cases | 18:38 |
LjL | questions now | 18:39 |
slash_ | when they're using the term "triage" you know it's bad | 18:39 |
LjL | asking 27% new deaths, tomorrow it was worse, but it's still around 5%. are we undersampling the total number of cases? | 18:39 |
phil | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w | 18:39 |
LjL | doctor answers | 18:39 |
LjL | there are two explanation: if we look at ages, we have lethality rates lower than China | 18:40 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:37 UTC: Here's what you need to know about coronavirus and your health insurance: More Americans will be getting tested for the coronavirus, and health insurers are waiving co-pays, but it's still important to know what your health plan covers. → https://is.gd/Wp0bih | 18:40 |
LjL | however, we have a much older population | 18:40 |
LjL | average age of deaths is over 80 | 18:40 |
phil | We show for the first time that far-UVC efficiently inactivates airborne aerosolized viruses, with a very low dose of 2 mJ/cm2 of 222-nm light inactivating >95% of aerosolized H1N1 influenza virus. Continuous very low dose-rate far-UVC light in indoor public locations is a promising, safe and inexpensive tool to reduce the spread of airborne-mediated microbial diseases. | 18:40 |
LjL | but what the journalist said is also possible | 18:40 |
LjL | when we swab symptomatic people, we are automatically making the lethality rate seem artificially higher | 18:40 |
LjL | they are mainly swabbig symptomatic people because there is a shortage of tests | 18:41 |
LjL | question: about Rome, the numbers are still low, but this morning you invited people to be very careful...? | 18:41 |
LjL | answer: yes, it was a forewarning. we saw what happened in Codogno, completely unexpected, a dramatic situation. clearly we didn't know the virus was circulating. now, even if we see a small increase somewhere far from the "red zone", we must pay attention to it immediately, to avoid finding ourselves in a difficult situation | 18:42 |
LjL | the fact that the emergency decree extended some emergency measures to the entire country is to try to prevent instead of mending later | 18:43 |
LjL | question: a clarification, mortality rate is 5% globally, 6% in Lombardy. worldwide is just 3-4%. so the explanation of this is due that the italian population is older? and also, about age groups, how do they compare with the Chinese ones? | 18:43 |
LjL | answer: it's really the same question. the chinese had a crude fatality rate of 2.4%, and we said, it's overestimated because there's many infected that don't get diagnosed | 18:44 |
LjL | so, when we decided to swab only symptomatic people, we were expecting a raise in apparently mortality | 18:44 |
LjL | but then there's also the fact the chinese population is much younger than the italian | 18:44 |
LjL | so again the mortality by age is lower than in china | 18:44 |
LjL | question: the 325 ventilators you're delivering, how many are for ICU and how many are for sub-ICU (meaning mobile devices)? and also, can we have an indication of the average ages of ICU patients? | 18:45 |
LjL | answer: i don't have the specific numbers about ventilators in mind. also don't have the numbers about age of patients, but it's very high on average | 18:45 |
LjL | but in the areas where ICUs are going to be prioritized to younger people, average age will change | 18:46 |
LjL | :( | 18:46 |
LjL | but we must say the number of patients in critical conditions is very very high | 18:46 |
LjL | a question i didn't hear | 18:46 |
LjL | the press conference ends | 18:46 |
LjL | --- | 18:46 |
LjL | %cases italy | 18:47 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 7375 cases, 366 deaths (5.0% of cases), 622 recoveries as of Sun Mar 8 19:03:04 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:47 |
slash_ | yeah its gone for me as well | 18:47 |
slash_ | not updated | 18:47 |
LjL | well | 18:47 |
LjL | %wa 97 / 7985 | 18:48 |
slash_ | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ here they say 1797 new cases though? 9172 | 18:48 |
slash_ | total | 18:48 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (97/7985): Decimal approximation: 0.012147777082028804007514088916718847839699436443331246086... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=97+%2F+7985 | 18:48 |
LjL | slash_, it's not quite clear to me which authorities only cite the number of *symptomatic* cases vs which ones release the total number of *positive tests* | 18:48 |
LjL | so if the total is actually 9172, well, "great" | 18:48 |
LjL | also i made a division that made no sense | 18:49 |
LjL | %wa 463 / 7985 | 18:49 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (463/7985): Decimal approximation: 0.057983719474013775829680651221039448966812773951158422041... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=463+%2F+7985 | 18:49 |
LjL | this is worse than yesterday | 18:49 |
slash_ | yes.. | 18:49 |
LjL | almost 6% | 18:49 |
slash_ | thanks for translation the questions btw LjL | 18:49 |
LjL | no problem, i have use for my own notes too | 18:50 |
LjL | http://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/homeNuovoCoronavirus.html is still reporting older numbers, which also do NOT include asymptomatic positives | 18:50 |
LjL | https://opendatadpc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/b0c68bce2cce478eaac82fe38d4138b1 is up to date | 18:50 |
LjL | slash_, it appears 9172 is indeed the total, but 7985 is the number of *currently* positive people | 18:51 |
LjL | 463 is confirmed as the number of deaths "waiting for ISS confirmation" (bleh, whatever) | 18:51 |
slash_ | ahh that explains it | 18:51 |
LjL | the second graph to the right, that's showing the increase in amount of new cases reported each day | 18:52 |
LjL | it looks... bad | 18:52 |
LjL | it's like the first derivative is almost trying to be exponential, instead of just the function itself | 18:52 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +1815 cases (now 113795), +110 recoveries (now 62641) 🔶 Italy: +1797 cases (now 9172), +102 recoveries (now 724) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 70) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Finland: + | 18:52 |
slash_ | LjL yes, I use this website as well for tracking cases in my country, it's a very good source | 18:53 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:49 UTC: Bargain airfares not enough to entice travelers 'fearful at any price' amid coronavirus: Coronavirus is softening air travel demand and bargains aren't enough to shield airlines from a rough quarter as many travelers stay home. → https://is.gd/OjZZ7L | 18:54 |
LjL | now i think i must put on a mask and go buy some groceries since online services aren't delivering | 18:54 |
slash_ | LjL I am stockpiling a bit.. numbers increase rapidly here, we might have the same situation soon | 18:54 |
freebobby[m] | approx where are you at slash? | 18:55 |
slash_ | LjL stay safe | 18:55 |
slash_ | freebobby[m] netherlands, Rotterdam area | 18:55 |
freebobby[m] | gotcha | 18:56 |
slash_ | freebobbt[m] you are in US? | 18:56 |
slash_ | freebobby[m] | 18:57 |
freebobby[m] | yup midwest | 18:57 |
slash_ | at least, that is what my whois is saying :p | 18:57 |
freebobby[m] | wait really? | 18:57 |
slash_ | yeah it says Atlanta, US | 18:57 |
slash_ | it's just the IP location though | 18:58 |
slash_ | I am not Google | 18:58 |
pwr22 | Oh dear, 5th UK death just now | 18:58 |
slash_ | freebobby[m] I think the US is about 1 week behind or so in severity compared to the EU | 18:59 |
freebobby[m] | thats odd... thats the ip coming through freenode? | 18:59 |
freebobby[m] | it might be the bridge | 18:59 |
slash_ | yes | 18:59 |
freebobby[m] | <slash_ "freebobby I think the US is abou"> okay makes sense. | 19:00 |
slash_ | yeah my IP location is the town of my ISP headquarters, not my actual town | 19:00 |
python476 | slash_: odd reversal | 19:00 |
python476 | usually US leads and we all trail behind | 19:00 |
slash_ | python476 this time be glad :P | 19:01 |
freebobby[m] | universities are prepping to close down | 19:01 |
python476 | i was already glad | 19:01 |
python476 | I like not being first | 19:01 |
freebobby[m] | honestly with our lack of testing im sure covid is well spread across the country | 19:01 |
twomoons | hi ljl how's it going | 19:02 |
slash_ | freebobby[m] well it's not like we are testing properly either... they won't test people unless they have pretty sever symptoms atm | 19:02 |
pwr22 | twomoons: he's going to get some groceries so may be afk for a bit | 19:03 |
slash_ | freebobby[m] we also have a huge shortage of masks for medical personnel | 19:03 |
slash_ | freebobby[m] and no production | 19:03 |
twomoons | pwr22, thanks for update | 19:03 |
slash_ | weird, Dutch media is reporting that Italian sports organization are taking measures, but no info about new cases.. | 19:05 |
slash_ | while this is from the same press conference | 19:06 |
slash_ | and just as I said that the first one reported cases lol | 19:06 |
slash_ | this shit is making me paranoid lmao | 19:06 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:05 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Air fares drop, White House to meet with Wall Street: As of Monday morning, more than 111,300 cases of the new coronavirus have been reported, resulting in at least 3,890 deaths. → https://is.gd/WPl4mu | 19:07 |
slash_ | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESp2uZqUcAANgrA?format=jpg&name=large should I buy more toiletpaper? | 19:11 |
python476 | diy toilet paper video trend on youtube in 3.. 2.. 1.. | 19:12 |
slash_ | I don't even understand, it's fairly easy to find alternatives to toilet paper | 19:15 |
aradesh | people were laughing at me at work because i was using tissues to open the doors :P | 19:15 |
python476 | slash_: I honestly know none really | 19:16 |
python476 | beside dinner table paper | 19:16 |
python476 | diy jet based ass cleaner | 19:16 |
slash_ | if you have access to clean water you can use a cloth | 19:16 |
python476 | reusable TP at the cost of frequent cleaning | 19:17 |
aradesh | everyone at work seems to think it's all blown out of proportion and it's "just a flu virus" | 19:17 |
slash_ | you need clean water to survive and stay hygienic | 19:17 |
slash_ | so water should be the primary concern | 19:18 |
slash_ | use cloth/leaves or something to clean off the poop, and water+soap to clean yourself and your butthole properly | 19:19 |
python476 | btw I don't know if you know | 19:19 |
python476 | how do composting toilet behave regarding medical hygiene | 19:20 |
python476 | are they filthier than a ceramic toilet seat ? | 19:20 |
freebobby[m] | they usualy have better sanitation than a septic tank if build and used well | 19:21 |
freebobby[m] | in a covid situation i think it would prove dangerous | 19:22 |
python476 | so naturally bacteria and viruses count decrease in dry toilets ? | 19:22 |
python476 | btw covid survive and leave our bodies into feces ? | 19:22 |
slash_ | maybe, but I would assume so | 19:23 |
freebobby[m] | my understanding is with enough "brown" material (like sawdust) the decomposition is pretty complete | 19:23 |
slash_ | the virus primarily attacks the longs, but it can be present in your entire body | 19:23 |
freebobby[m] | <python476 "btw covid survive and leave our "> yeah i believe this has been proven | 19:23 |
slash_ | lungs* | 19:23 |
freebobby[m] | and was a source of infection in sars | 19:24 |
python476 | ah well, interesting factoid freebobby[m] | 19:24 |
slash_ | I would assume everything from an infected person can spread the disease as a precaution | 19:24 |
python476 | even ideas | 19:25 |
slash_ | it's a new disease and we do not have proper data to know what exactly will and will not spread the disease | 19:25 |
slash_ | so assume everything | 19:25 |
freebobby[m] | yeah they found in a HK hotel that the gas traps in the floor drains were not refilled with water and one person at the top of the building spread sars to a bunch of ppl below | 19:25 |
python476 | it's still a coronavirus so there are 'models' | 19:25 |
slash_ | freebobby[m] yes, they shut down an entire building due to that | 19:27 |
slash_ | better be safe than sorry | 19:28 |
freebobby[m] | This video is facinating | 19:29 |
freebobby[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAsTMl3txyQ | 19:29 |
freebobby[m] | Wuhan Today: Food delivery in coronavirus epicenter | 19:29 |
slash_ | the Dutch government just announced their most harsh measure yet to prevent spread: "Do not shake hands" | 19:29 |
slash_ | sigh | 19:29 |
slash_ | also the Dutch government: "not shaking hands does not really do a lot to prevent spread" | 19:30 |
slash_ | wat | 19:30 |
slash_ | this is the worst press conference I've ever seen | 19:30 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +229 cases (now 114024), +102 deaths (now 3994) 🔶 Italy: +97 deaths (now 463) 🔶 France: +203 cases (now 1412) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +4 cases (now 71) 🔸 Alberta, Canada: +3 cases (now 7) 🔸 Ont | 19:33 |
slash_ | "We're not going to cancel any major events, just do not shake hands" | 19:33 |
python476 | slash_: don't say it too loud, Donald may hear you | 19:33 |
slash_ | coronavirus: ded | 19:33 |
python476 | covid is very sociable | 19:33 |
python476 | and sensitive to greetings rejection | 19:33 |
slash_ | *coughs in Dutch* | 19:34 |
python476 | kkkkkkkkkllllllllekkRR | 19:34 |
slash_ | lol | 19:34 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy cases see largest single-day rise, US airfare drops → https://is.gd/WPl4mu | 19:34 |
slash_ | python476 you seem familiar with the Dutch custom of cursing with diseases | 19:35 |
slash_ | "we're not going to close airports, we're not going to close train stations" | 19:36 |
python476 | slash_: not really, I was mostly extrapolating the few spellings I saw after an amsterdam trip | 19:36 |
slash_ | python476 well translated to English that would mean something like: "this is really delicious, like cancer" | 19:37 |
slash_ | well, not really, as depending on context, cancer would be a positive thing | 19:38 |
python476 | slash_: nice encryption scheme | 19:38 |
slash_ | maybe more like "this is really fucking delicious" | 19:38 |
slash_ | so just as you would not have sex with a delicious sandwhich, Dutch people do not actually thing a delicious sandwhich has cancer | 19:39 |
slash_ | still, our language is really stupid sometimes | 19:39 |
python476 | that's because you spent all your energy on channels | 19:39 |
slash_ | perhaps | 19:40 |
slash_ | I live 2.5m (around 8ft) below sea level, I have an inflatable boat in my attic lol | 19:42 |
python476 | ._. | 19:42 |
python476 | i thought my imagination was boundless | 19:42 |
python476 | but then I tried to picture your comment | 19:42 |
slash_ | it's recommended to keep the boat in the attic here, because if the dikes break only my attic will be above water | 19:43 |
slash_ | hmmm, can the coronavirus survive water? | 19:44 |
python476 | slash_: I see, very natural rule in your country | 19:44 |
slash_ | preventive flooding! | 19:44 |
slash_ | python476 haha there is few things natural here, I live on the bottom of the sea, like Spongebob | 19:45 |
slash_ | without the salt water (for now) | 19:45 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +33 cases (now 114057), +1 deaths (now 3995) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +4 cases (now 15) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +4 cases (now 71) 🔸 Alberta, Canada: +3 cas | 19:46 |
slash_ | also, no Texan squirrels | 19:47 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 18:37 UTC: CoronavirusGLOBAL: BREAKING: First Canadian COVID-19 Death Recorded in B.C → https://is.gd/xDOeGk | 19:48 |
LjL | twomoons, not great, i bought some groceries, online grocery delivery is... about to stop being a thing, i'm afraid | 19:50 |
twomoons | what did you buy? | 19:51 |
LjL | %cases italy | 19:51 |
Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 9172 cases, 463 deaths (5.0% of cases), 724 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 19:13:11 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 19:51 |
slash_ | our prime minister: "Do not shake hand!", *shakes hands with almost everyone on stage* sigh | 19:51 |
LjL | twomoons, not much, just some things we were missing, vegetables... for now we have a week's worth of stuff, and there *should* be an other delivery this week, but after that, i suspect it's going to be hard to get anything delivered | 19:51 |
LjL | wait, how is that 5.0% | 19:52 |
LjL | %wa 463/9172 | 19:52 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (463/9172): Decimal approximation: 0.050479720889664195377235063235935455734845180985608373310... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=463%2F9172 | 19:52 |
twomoons | it's over 5% | 19:52 |
LjL | oh right, last time i divided by the "active cases" number | 19:52 |
twomoons | i bought a lot of eggs ljl but then realized eggs don't represent a lot of calories per unit volume | 19:52 |
dunnp | 5% :/ | 19:52 |
LjL | twomoons, don't they? i thought they were pretty "concentrated" food | 19:52 |
LjL | twomoons, they should be nutricious in terms of proteins and things at least | 19:53 |
LjL | dunnp, 6% in lombardy | 19:53 |
twomoons | actually yeah that's true but i think meat or beef jerky is way better | 19:53 |
slash_ | twomoons: https://thefrugalchicken.com/4-time-tested-techniques-to-preserve-eggs-and-some-19th-century-methods/ | 19:53 |
skyofdust | They are very very nutritious | 19:53 |
twomoons | yeah i'm gonna hard boil them ljl | 19:53 |
slash_ | eggs are very good to have | 19:53 |
twomoons | i always wanted to preserve some eggs lol | 19:53 |
skyofdust | They won't make you feel full unless you eat a lot of them or are eating them alognside other things | 19:53 |
twomoons | i heard albumin may help those with weak livers | 19:54 |
skyofdust | twomoons, you can do that by submerging them in oil or salt | 19:54 |
twomoons | eggs have albumin i believe | 19:54 |
twomoons | does oil harden the egg white? | 19:54 |
slash_ | this is a good time to research how to preserve different types of food imho | 19:54 |
skyofdust | I haven't heard of that, but they can keep for very long that way. | 19:55 |
skyofdust | more than a year some say | 19:55 |
slash_ | it also depends if the eggs have been chemically washed, if youre in the EU they will not be washed | 19:55 |
twomoons | that's interesting i didn't expect oil to do anything | 19:55 |
slash_ | they will last longer without the washing | 19:56 |
skyofdust | Yeah, when raw shelled eggs are submerged in oil, there's no oxygen that would let bacterial growth permeate the shell. | 19:56 |
skyofdust | *or salt | 19:56 |
twomoons | there isn't already some bacteria inside it? | 19:58 |
skyofdust | Hmm I think they're closed systems. | 19:59 |
CatButtes[m] | Quick tip - gone off eggs float. If you aren’t sure about them, pop them in a bowl of cold water and if they sink they are still good | 19:59 |
CatButtes[m] | I have had eggs that are 4 months old and still good sat next to others that are definitely bad. Float test works wonders | 20:00 |
slash_ | twomoons yes, but the bacteria need oxygen to reproduce, it is important to ensure the shell is protected | 20:01 |
dunnp | not anaerobic bacteria slash_ ... | 20:01 |
slash_ | dunnp no, but those aren't present in eggs usually | 20:02 |
dunnp | like how botulism works | 20:02 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live at 18:59 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Fuga da Milano destinazione Roma, una ragazza sceglie il taxi e paga 1.200 euro - la Repubblica → https://is.gd/qmrmHa | 20:02 |
slash_ | dunnp never eat an old egg raw of course, no matter how good it looks | 20:02 |
skyofdust | Egg whites have no nutrition value. | 20:03 |
twomoons | i don't eat raw eggs anymore | 20:03 |
twomoons | yeah that's true i need the lecithin and all that stuff in the yolk | 20:04 |
skyofdust | Yolks even have retinol <3 | 20:04 |
slash_ | but if you want eggs long term, get chickens :p | 20:04 |
slash_ | they're quite easy to care for | 20:04 |
tinwhiskers | skyofdust: egg whites are basically entirely protein. They are nutritious. | 20:07 |
twomoons | chickens eat those damn poisonous spiders around here | 20:07 |
slash_ | the bastards will even eat eggs | 20:07 |
twomoons | brown widows are proliferating i could use some chickens | 20:07 |
slash_ | yeah chickens are pretty good to have if you have the space | 20:08 |
slash_ | also a bit of meat long term | 20:08 |
skyofdust | They're around 10% protein, the rest is water. | 20:09 |
freebobby[m] | if you live in the states stinging nettle should be poppin up soon | 20:10 |
slash_ | theyre not ideal for meat if youre keeping them yourselves no | 20:10 |
freebobby[m] | whole lotta protein | 20:10 |
slash_ | but if you have a large enough area they can often basically take care of their own food requirements and only need minimal feeding, the smaller the area the more additional food is needed ofc | 20:11 |
twomoons | i remember when my cousin's chicken died they ate it and it was really quite tasty in a soup | 20:12 |
twomoons | yes it's tough but it tasted good | 20:12 |
freebobby[m] | I got blood poisoning from an undercooked chicked i helped harvest, so please cook well | 20:12 |
slash_ | older meat is good for stew though | 20:12 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +34 cases (now 114091), +2 recoveries (now 62643) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 48) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +4 cases (now 15) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +10 cases (now 77) 🔸 Alberta, Canada: | 20:13 |
slash_ | yeah.. don't eat rare chicken | 20:14 |
twomoons | i always cook the hell out of poultry | 20:14 |
slash_ | cut the meats in half where they are thickest, ensure not even a sign of pink | 20:15 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:07 UTC: (news): FDA warns televangelist Jim Bakker and six others to stop selling fraudulent coronavirus products → https://is.gd/UDiGfc | 20:16 |
slash_ | you do not want to deal with any food poisoning when hospitals are overrun.. | 20:16 |
freebobby[m] | yeah it was roasted whole and the juice got in a cut on my finger. the next day i had a pink streak running up my arm | 20:16 |
twomoons | wow scary | 20:16 |
freebobby[m] | doc said w/o antibiotics i would have died or lost my arm | 20:16 |
freebobby[m] | yeah blood infection is way serious | 20:17 |
tinwhiskers | Egg whites are about the most pure form of protein you can find. They are 10% protein (the rest being water) compared to steak at 30% protein. To say egg whites have no nutritional value is simply incorrect. | 20:17 |
slash_ | damn | 20:17 |
slash_ | I have a friend who is very clumsy, keeps cutting herself and getting infections too often that need treatment.. I worry about her :S | 20:18 |
slash_ | like 2-3 times a year she has something like this | 20:18 |
twomoons | she needs to put betadine on the cut immediately | 20:19 |
twomoons | and let it soak in | 20:19 |
CatButtes[m] | Might be an idea to not let her near sharp things for a couple of months | 20:19 |
slash_ | yeah she has got some cleaning stuff now | 20:19 |
slash_ | and I got her to buy one of those "cut-proof" gloves lol | 20:19 |
skyofdust | Yeah I was just gonna say that | 20:19 |
slash_ | I just cringe everytime I see her trying to cut something | 20:20 |
CatButtes[m] | Does she keep her knives sharp? | 20:20 |
CatButtes[m] | If she has blunt knives she is setting herself up to get cut | 20:20 |
CatButtes[m] | Blunt knives need more force to cut and will slip out of your control more easily | 20:21 |
CatButtes[m] | And will give nastier cuts. | 20:21 |
slash_ | not sure, the last one was from some sort of vegetable cutting thingy | 20:21 |
CatButtes[m] | Mandolin? | 20:21 |
CatButtes[m] | Those things are fucking lethal | 20:21 |
CatButtes[m] | I have had the tip of my finger and the tip of my knuckle off on ours | 20:22 |
CatButtes[m] | On 2 different occasions | 20:22 |
slash_ | donno, it's one of those things where the blade is on the bottom, and you slice a piece of vegetable over it | 20:22 |
slash_ | to get thin strips, not sure how it is called | 20:22 |
CatButtes[m] | Yup. That’s the bastard | 20:22 |
slash_ | just today she sent me a picture "I did it again" with her hands in wraps after visiting the doctor | 20:23 |
CatButtes[m] | Use the hand guard that they usually come with and don’t let it out of your sight while washing up | 20:23 |
CatButtes[m] | Christ. She really is bad isn’t she! | 20:23 |
slash_ | good got she is so bad at putting her hand/fingers NOT in the way of the blade ffs | 20:24 |
slash_ | god* | 20:24 |
slash_ | it is a miracle she still has 10 fingers lmao | 20:24 |
slash_ | but CatButtes[m] you are right about using sharp knives | 20:25 |
slash_ | a good sharp knife is wonderful as it means you do not need to apply much pressure | 20:26 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:21 UTC: Bargain airfares not enough to entice travelers 'fearful at any price' amid coronavirus: Coronavirus is softening air travel demand and bargains aren't enough to shield airlines from a rough quarter as many travelers stay home. → https://is.gd/OjZZ7L | 20:29 |
slash_ | This was the timeline for her today (warning, blood): https://i.imgur.com/CkIFGwB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/A4UpsEB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MhHdVZb.jpg | 20:30 |
azy | thats probably the right thing to do or whatever | 20:32 |
azy | but i'd go with the duct tape option | 20:32 |
slash_ | I prefer to just not cut myself with kitchen utensils in the first place | 20:33 |
slash_ | but, I just get really annoyed when I see people using knives and such in terrible ways | 20:36 |
slash_ | like, how hard is to not put finger where the blade is going to be?? | 20:37 |
Tobi[m] | If a person has had COVID-19 and got cured, is the person immune to it? I thought I’ve read that one man got infected for a second time. | 20:40 |
slash_ | Tobi[m] most likely yes. But, there is a study that states there are two strains of the virus, and getting one does not mean immunity to the other | 20:41 |
azy | they're not like us overly paranoid. i cant use those machines without getting an uncomfortable feeling | 20:41 |
slash_ | Tobi[m] but this is all very speculative | 20:42 |
tinwhiskers | Tobi[m]: overwhelmingly people will be immune | 20:42 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:41 UTC: NYC Mayor urges New Yorkers to work from home, get mental health counseling: New York Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday urged people to work from home as the deadly coronavirus continues to spread and the number of confirmed cases rises in the United States. → https://is.gd/H2EFBh | 20:43 |
Tobi[m] | Yeah because if one becomes immune to the virus, it should be that hard to extract a vaccine. But that isn’t the case now, so there are probably some more difficulties | 20:43 |
slash_ | Tobi[m] today they announced that they isolated antibodies for the virus, this will greatly help in producing cures and a vaccine | 20:44 |
slash_ | so people are definately gaining immunity | 20:44 |
Tobi[m] | Yeah sounds good | 20:44 |
slash_ | hopefully they can produce effective antivirals soon | 20:46 |
slash_ | but, it is important to distinguish between vaccine and remedy. A vaccine will almost always only work BEFORE you are infected, to build immune protection, whil an antiviral remedy can reduce the spread of a virus | 20:48 |
slash_ | a vaccine will not work well for those already infected basically | 20:49 |
slash_ | is there any news from Spain btw? they reported 428 cases today... | 20:56 |
slash_ | it looks like Spain will become just as bad, if not worse, than Italy atm | 20:56 |
tinwhiskers | Interestingly South Korea is tapering off now | 21:00 |
slash_ | yeah, they're seriously doing an amazing job tbh, they've tested like 150k people so far | 21:01 |
slash_ | and it does look like they are now getting the epidemic under control | 21:02 |
romare | the fact that we didn't report any cases here in Turkey freaks me out | 21:04 |
mnu | test | 21:04 |
mnu | I just need to vent quickly then I'll go back to lurking | 21:05 |
slash_ | romare I've talked about this earlier, but yes it seems very unlikely there are no cases in Turkey. Istanbul alone is HUGE travel hub for so many nations... | 21:05 |
romare | yeah I live in istanbul and I'm a bit scared | 21:06 |
mnu | Just decided that I should not travel from the UK to France to visit my Grandmother. I was going down to help out with some gardening and tree work. I was really looking forward to seeing her. But have come to the conclusion that this wouldn't be sensible | 21:06 |
mnu | I hate feeling like I've bought into the hype, but I do think it was the right thing to do | 21:06 |
mnu | I'm sad and agry | 21:07 |
mnu | s/agry/angry/ | 21:07 |
Brainstorm | mnu meant to say: I'm sad and angry | 21:07 |
mnu | ok vent over | 21:07 |
mnu | sorry | 21:07 |
slash_ | romare if you are not elderly or have an underlying health condition, do not be worried for yourself though | 21:07 |
romare | mnu: it looks like the right decision. don't be sad. | 21:08 |
tinwhiskers | mnu: no worries. it's not hype. you're doing the right thing by not contributing to the spread of the disease. | 21:08 |
mnu | Thank you. I suppose it's a tough pill to swallow as well as I'm now forced to recognise that this isn't a far away news story | 21:09 |
mnu | and it's actually a serious matter that is impacting my life | 21:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:00 UTC: NYC mayor, officials urge New Yorkers to work from home, get mental health counseling amid coronavirus outbreak: New York Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday urged people to work from home as the deadly coronavirus continues to spread and the number of confirmed cases rises in the United States. → https://is.gd/H2EFBh | 21:10 |
slash_ | mnu it sucks, but you're right to not want to expose your grandmother to this risk | 21:10 |
slash_ | mnu you're a good person :) | 21:10 |
slash_ | mnu I get it.. people might not understand as they don't think this this virus is serious... but it's better to be a "jerk" now if it means protecting her imho | 21:13 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +31 cases (now 114122), +1 deaths (now 3996) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 48) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +4 cases (now 15) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +10 cases (now 77), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Al | 21:20 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus-stricken Princess Cruises ship moves to Port of Oakland in California, thousands prepare to disembark → https://is.gd/9ddhne | 21:24 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: you about? | 21:28 |
LjL | breaking edition of the news in italy, PM Conte about to speak | 21:32 |
LjL | probably going to extend quarantine to the entire country | 21:32 |
tinwhiskers | That's good | 21:33 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: is this correct? totale_attualmente_positivi (confirmed), dimessi_guariti (recovered), deceduti (deaths)? | 21:33 |
Abandoned | so any idea if the corona will weaken or die away when it gets hotter? Is this virus seasonal or still unknown? | 21:34 |
ubLIX | still unknown | 21:34 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, no, totale_attualmente_positivi is people currently positive, excluding now-negative cases | 21:34 |
ubLIX | (I believe) | 21:34 |
LjL | Abandoned, it probably isn't | 21:34 |
Abandoned | if it doesnt and no cure/vaccine it's recession time | 21:34 |
LjL | you seriously think it may NOT be recession time anyhow? | 21:34 |
slash_ | LjL do you have a livestream link for this? | 21:34 |
LjL | how... well, it matches the denial many countries are still having | 21:35 |
LjL | slash_, no, RAI is geoblocked within italy | 21:35 |
Abandoned | no it is anyway, but withou it this good times could be prolonged a bit | 21:35 |
LjL | but look for "RAI News" | 21:35 |
LjL | or "RAI World" | 21:35 |
LjL | they may be broadcasting it | 21:35 |
LjL | not sure | 21:35 |
slash_ | LjL alright, keep us updated if you can :) | 21:35 |
LjL | i'm watching this on RAI1 | 21:35 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: Ah. could you give me the columns names that apply for Confirmed, Deaths and recovered from https://github.com/pcm-dpc/COVID-19/blob/master/dati-regioni/dpc-covid19-ita-regioni.csv | 21:35 |
LjL | but RAI1 is probably not visible abroad | 21:35 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, totale_casi should be confirmed | 21:36 |
LjL | PM speaking | 21:36 |
tinwhiskers | Ok. Ta | 21:36 |
LjL | he understands the feelings of being restricted blah blah | 21:36 |
LjL | our habits will reasonably be modified and adapted to the new requirements | 21:37 |
LjL | but there is no time now | 21:37 |
LjL | numbers tell us we're having a huge growth of contagion, and deaths | 21:37 |
LjL | so our habits must change | 21:37 |
LjL | now | 21:37 |
LjL | we must all renounce something for the good of italy blah blah | 21:38 |
LjL | and we'll only succeed if we all cooperate and adapt to new norms | 21:38 |
LjL | hence i decided to adopt more stringent measures | 21:38 |
LjL | (TELL US ALREADY) | 21:38 |
LjL | so i'm about to sign a law that we can dub "I stay home" | 21:39 |
LjL | there will be no more different areas of the peninsula | 21:39 |
LjL | there will be italy as one "protected zone" | 21:39 |
contingo | so it's as you predicted? | 21:39 |
LjL | so we will all have to avoid any movement, unless motivated by specific circumstances | 21:39 |
LjL | for work, necessity, or health | 21:39 |
LjL | we also add | 21:39 |
LjL | a ban on public meetings in public | 21:40 |
LjL | (this is not about assemblies, it's about pubs and clubs) | 21:40 |
LjL | we can no longer afford these socialization habits that become a source of contagion | 21:40 |
LjL | i am aware of the gravity of taking these decisions, but i must protect all of us and especially the more fragile and vulnerable | 21:40 |
LjL | we live in a system where we guarantee health for everyone | 21:41 |
LjL | we cannot afford to lower our guard, today we are responsible blah blah | 21:41 |
LjL | words about doctors risking their health to help others | 21:41 |
LjL | the right decision today is to stay home | 21:41 |
LjL | ↑ may have the live stream | 21:42 |
LjL | also all sports activities are suspended | 21:43 |
LjL | now, question: | 21:43 |
LjL | do these rules start from now, is there a date? have they been concerted with the regional governments? with the president of the republic? | 21:43 |
LjL | answer: these measures are in the decree i'm about to sign, it will be in the gazzetta ufficiale tonight, and they become law tomorrow morning | 21:43 |
LjL | the procedures were followed, the minister of health was heard, there was a video conference with the civil protection | 21:44 |
LjL | the regional governors also agreed on extending a single regimen to the whole peninsula | 21:44 |
LjL | of course i also informed the president of the republic | 21:45 |
LjL | question: does the mechanism for moving around remain based on "self-certification", which was criticized? | 21:45 |
LjL | second, what about public transport? | 21:45 |
LjL | third, will the €7billion allocated to health be increased? | 21:45 |
LjL | answer: about movement, the mode remains that of self-certification | 21:46 |
LjL | i want to remind that declarations in self-certification must be truthful, or else, one will be guilty of a further crime | 21:46 |
LjL | about transport, no, there is no limitation of public transport | 21:46 |
LjL | because we need to guarantee the stability of production, we must allow people to go to work | 21:47 |
LjL | about money, we are allocating €7.5b in agreement with the EU | 21:47 |
LjL | now we are considering a higher request, but it is not yet decided | 21:47 |
LjL | question: inaudible | 21:48 |
LjL | answer: about duration, since we're extending the regimen to all province, we automatically suspend teaching activities, in schools and university, until at least april 3, country-wide | 21:49 |
LjL | as for the rest, we'll keep flexible and ready to intervene, but for now this is limited to the previously agreed upon duration | 21:49 |
LjL | question: i'd like to know about the vote over deficit, what's the relationship with the opposition? are you all on the same side in this? | 21:49 |
LjL | yes, this is my wish, since we're introducing measures which are certianly not ordinary. we will have a meeting with opposition forces tomorrow to discuss economy measures | 21:50 |
LjL | i informed the opposition i was about to make this press conference. we are in contact because we're all on the same boat | 21:50 |
LjL | --- TV feed broken | 21:51 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:41 UTC: NYC mayor, officials urge New Yorkers to work from home, get mental health counseling amid coronavirus outbreak: New York Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday urged people to work from home as the deadly coronavirus continues to spread and the number of confirmed cases rises in the United States. → https://is.gd/H2EFBh | 21:51 |
slash_ | thanks again for the updates LjL | 21:51 |
contingo | jeez you could translate for the UN | 21:51 |
LjL | contingo, i definitely think sometimes i should have done something with languages instead of computers... | 21:52 |
contingo | maybe you still could | 21:53 |
contingo | not right this sec, patently :) | 21:54 |
slash_ | you do seem to have a talent to translate quickly LjL :p | 21:56 |
aradesh | china always really impresses me with how quickly they get things done. they have a lot of clever hard working people. i wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly come out with a working vaccine like, really soon or something | 21:58 |
aradesh | while the rest of the planet is in the really early stages of trying to find one | 21:58 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +140 cases (now 114262) 🔶 Spain: +156 cases (now 1229) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 48) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +4 cases (now 15) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 5) 🔸 Canada: +10 cases (now 77), +1 deaths | 22:00 |
LjL | aradesh, some chinese researchers literally injected themselves with an untested vaccine "to prove fealty to the party" | 22:02 |
LjL | i'd normally find that just scary, now it's somewhere between scary and potentially useful | 22:02 |
CatButtes[m] | > aradesh, some chinese researchers literally injected themselves with an untested vaccine "to prove fealty to the party" | 22:03 |
CatButtes[m] | What the hell? That is kinda horrific that they felt that was needed | 22:03 |
Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 20:55 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: BBC News - Italy extends coronavirus measures nationwide https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673 → https://is.gd/xAHdH3 | 22:05 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:05 UTC: (news): Media companies begin canceling annual ad presentations as coronavirus spreads in New York → https://is.gd/W4QOIY | 22:18 |
tinwhiskers | We're most likely at least a year away from having a vaccine | 22:21 |
tinwhiskers | You can partially thank the anti-vaxers for that. There's no way we're not completing proper safety tests before rolling it out and have that come back to bite us because of those fuckwits. | 22:23 |
slash_ | 1 year would be fast tbh.. we need extensive testing to determine if it is effective and if there are no (even worse than the disease) side effects | 22:23 |
LjL | i'm sure "proper" safety testing is needed by definition regardless of those people | 22:25 |
LjL | risk/benefit needs to be assessed, you can't have a vaccine that kills more than the virus does | 22:25 |
slash_ | on a shorter term, antiviral treatments can buy us more time until the vaccine | 22:26 |
slash_ | but these will also need to be tested | 22:26 |
tinwhiskers | yes, there may be some reasonable treatments available well before the vaccines are ready | 22:28 |
LjL | well they are already being tested, in the sense of HIV antivirals being used compassionately with apparently some success on the most hopeless cases | 22:28 |
slash_ | so far, vitamin C and D supplements seem to at least provide a better immune response to the virus, although the evidence for this has not yet been properly peer-reviewed | 22:28 |
tinwhiskers | you can justify testing treatments on people who will otherwise die more easily than vaccines | 22:28 |
slash_ | but, these supplements also boost immune response to many other viruses, so it is not that surprising | 22:28 |
slash_ | it is however NOT a cure | 22:29 |
LjL | excess immune response is also responsible for some of the deaths, apparently | 22:29 |
LjL | also i think the evidence of them working is mostly *extrapolated* from the fact they kinda work for the common cold or the flu | 22:29 |
LjL | but as we know, this is different... it has being a respiratory infection in common, but that's about it | 22:29 |
aradesh | LjL: they're also rpobably fairly experienced scientists, and suspect that the risk of actually doing serious harm with what's in their vaccine is low | 22:30 |
LjL | oh a ray of hope | 22:31 |
aradesh | lol | 22:31 |
aradesh | i bet trump never washes his hands | 22:31 |
aradesh | taking a risk by taking your vaccine before it's been fully tested, is not just showing fealty to your party, it's also like a demonstration of potential sacrifice for your people, or for the human race | 22:31 |
slash_ | LjL vitamine D is supposed to boost the immune system against respiratory illnesses | 22:31 |
tinwhiskers | lol | 22:31 |
aradesh | taking the risk upon yourself for the potential greater good | 22:32 |
aradesh | a very noble thing i think | 22:32 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:29 UTC: Bargain airfares not enough to entice travelers 'fearful at any price' amid coronavirus: Coronavirus is softening air travel demand and bargains aren't enough to shield airlines from a rough quarter as many travelers stay home. → https://is.gd/OjZZ7L | 22:32 |
slash_ | it looks like one good result of this crisis is the collapse of cheap flying | 22:34 |
slash_ | aside from spreading disease, it is EXTREMELY polluting | 22:35 |
slash_ | I also hope many cruise ship providers will go bankrupt | 22:35 |
slash_ | cruise ships are even worse | 22:36 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:35 UTC: Watch: Coronavirus task force holds press briefing as US outbreak expands: Members of the task force created to address the deadly coronavirus outbreak are expected to hold a press briefing Monday at the White House. → https://is.gd/5bdgRL | 22:39 |
CatButtes[m] | Cruise ships are weird. On the surface they are luxury 5 star hotels. Then you look deeper and realise that they are fucking gross because 90% of the passengers don't wash their hands and 50% of them react poorly to being reminded | 22:39 |
slash_ | CutButtes[m] what is insane is that a few hundred cruise ships emit more CO2 and pollution than literally all cars on earth | 22:41 |
CatButtes[m] | Oh I know! | 22:42 |
CatButtes[m] | I went on one for my honeymoon. I won't be going on another - as nice as it was, it was horrifying to realise how much pollution it was pumping out | 22:42 |
slash_ | I get the appeal.. but really you can get a similar (imho even better) experience just booking a nice location in the Caribbean or something | 22:43 |
slash_ | it's neat being on a ship | 22:44 |
slash_ | but that's it, everything else is worse | 22:44 |
slash_ | not bad, ofc | 22:44 |
slash_ | but worse than going to a nice beach city in a warm country | 22:45 |
slash_ | the main appeal is probably pricing | 22:45 |
slash_ | which is too low for what kind of pollution these ships cause | 22:45 |
LjL | the US is holding a press conference at 18 EST, should be streamed here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du15BUuoBa4 | 22:45 |
slash_ | 18 EST is 22 UTC right? | 22:47 |
LjL | i believe so | 22:47 |
LjL | %wa 18 EST in UTC | 22:48 |
Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (convert 6:00 pm EST | 09. March 2020 to UTC): Result: 10:00:00 pm UTC | Monday, March 9, 2020 → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=18+EST+in+UTC | 22:48 |
slash_ | so in like 12 minutes | 22:48 |
LjL | correct | 22:48 |
slash_ | alright thanks! | 22:48 |
LjL | it was due to be at 17:30 so they may push it back again i guess | 22:48 |
underscore_ | slash_: I've been taking vitamin A, C and D3 the last couple days | 22:51 |
underscore_ | A and D3 are in a cod liver oil supplement | 22:51 |
LjL | not Α, Γ and Δ3? | 22:51 |
slash_ | underscore_ yeah, it doesn't hurt, but it's important to know that this does not mean you are immune or something | 22:51 |
underscore_ | I know | 22:52 |
slash_ | it just boosts the immune system | 22:52 |
underscore_ | LjL: NO! | 22:52 |
slash_ | LjL those are Greek letters, but they mean the same thing afaik :p | 22:52 |
underscore_ | slash_: people use the english letters for vitamins though | 22:53 |
slash_ | D2 and D3 are also both good for vitamin D, although research suggests D3 is more effective generally | 22:53 |
LjL | underscore_, you call them "english" i call yours "turkish" | 22:54 |
underscore_ | LjL: θες να σου δώσω βιταμίνες; :ρ | 22:54 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:49 UTC: It takes an average of 5 days for coronavirus symptoms to show, new study says: Researchers from Johns Hopkins found that 97.5% of people infected with the new coronavirus will show symptoms within 12 days of catching the virus. That's in line with current CDC recommendations that call for patients to remain in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/S0FVbY | 22:55 |
slash_ | LjL you're calling Greek letters Turkish? I hope no Greeks here :O | 22:55 |
LjL | underscore_, ο σλας δεν ειναι πολυ sharp or what | 22:55 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: ok, that Italian regional time-series data is now incorporated into http://offloop.net/covid19/ | 22:56 |
underscore_ | LjL: δε ξέρει! | 22:56 |
slash_ | wait, Italians understand Greek alphabet? | 22:56 |
LjL | underscore_, also no, send me retro handhelds, least i have something to distract me. i want a Sharp PC-3100 for starters | 22:56 |
LjL | slash_, unheard of! | 22:56 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, thank you | 22:56 |
tinwhiskers | I've still gotta add it into the csv file you get yet | 22:56 |
LjL | %cases Lombardia | 22:56 |
Brainstorm | LjL: Sorry, Lombardia not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 22:56 |
LjL | ah | 22:57 |
slash_ | LjL I have no idea if this is common, I mean your nations do have a shared history | 22:57 |
slash_ | LjL Italy and Greece I mean | 22:58 |
LjL | slash_, school is arranged differently nowadays, but when i was in school, the two main types of high schools that were meant for people intending to go to university afterwards were liceo classico and liceo scientifico. in the latter you learned only Latin, in the former you learn Latin and Greek | 22:58 |
slash_ | LjL I've had two years of Latin, the only thing I really remember is that domus means house | 23:01 |
freebobby[m] | tinwhiskers: if you need help setting up TLS Certs on ur webserver lmk | 23:01 |
slash_ | LjL my teachers where really bad though, I also had 3 years of French and I only remember "Tu est une poubelle" | 23:01 |
LjL | someone is speaking in the microphone at the yet-to-begin press conference but i hear nothing in the video | 23:01 |
LjL | slash_, at least you can use that with python476 | 23:02 |
LjL | it's "es", though | 23:02 |
slash_ | python476 that's not nice it means "you're a trashcan" | 23:03 |
LjL | "est" is third person. which is handy because it's the same in Latin! so now you know TWO latin words! | 23:03 |
slash_ | yes I was pretty sure "est" was not correct there eheh | 23:03 |
slash_ | mais pourquoi? | 23:03 |
ubLIX | "The briefing will now begin at 6.30 *groans*" | 23:03 |
slash_ | oh shit, all the French is surfacing now | 23:04 |
LjL | ubLIX, are you actually hearing that on the video i linked? because i hear zilch | 23:04 |
ubLIX | i heard that but well away from any obvious mic - it might have been a joke | 23:04 |
LjL | i'm not sure if there's something wrong with my audio or it's the video | 23:05 |
ubLIX | i am hearing a good volume of general hubbub - definitely a good audio feed here. try reloading? | 23:06 |
slash_ | I am not hearing anything too | 23:06 |
ubLIX | thy guy with the mic is not saying anything that is in the feed | 23:06 |
slash_ | ubLIX yes a reload gives sound now | 23:06 |
slash_ | can't understand anything though.. | 23:07 |
slash_ | it's all gibberish | 23:07 |
slash_ | I mean, it appeared that white heared white guy was saying stuff? | 23:08 |
LjL | for me audio stays almost silent after a browser restart | 23:08 |
slash_ | but I could not understand | 23:08 |
contingo | I'm getting audio | 23:08 |
ubLIX | the journalists are just chatting amongst themselves (not miked) - we're not supposed to be hearing it yet | 23:08 |
LjL | i have some audio, it's just extremely low-volume. if i tell my linux to cram the volume *well above* the theoretical maximum, then i can hear something... | 23:08 |
ubLIX | i mean, you can hear them chatting, but not intelligibly | 23:09 |
contingo | it's just a sussurus of journalistic chatter | 23:09 |
contingo | susurrus* | 23:09 |
LjL | but also nearly not at all, and i couldn't hear it when people were actually talking into microphones earlier tierh | 23:09 |
contingo | oh he's saying shit | 23:09 |
slash_ | LjL yes same here on Linux, have to crank it to max, but there is audio, I think this is just very low level background noise that we are hearing | 23:09 |
contingo | wtf is going on | 23:10 |
ubLIX | contingo: i think he's doing a soundcheck | 23:10 |
LjL | well, FAILED | 23:10 |
contingo | ok, with rehearsed copy | 23:10 |
ubLIX | maybe *shrugs* | 23:10 |
contingo | "It wasn't until congressman Gates was onboard the flight that he discovered that..." | 23:10 |
slash_ | it's not a soundcheck? he's telling stuff to the reporters, but it's like his microphon is off | 23:10 |
ubLIX | he is repeating himself - seems like soundcheck to me | 23:10 |
contingo | "In addition to today's briefing we'll also have Wall St execs..." you hearing this? yeah, repeating | 23:11 |
slash_ | something about Trump and the white house | 23:11 |
slash_ | but very low volume | 23:11 |
LjL | maybe better here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKUPB9hV0I | 23:11 |
contingo | so far the live comments are really pushing zinc | 23:11 |
LjL | contingo, the thing that's potentially helpful at 75mg but toxic at 150? | 23:12 |
slash_ | LjL thanks, sounds seems much better in that stream | 23:12 |
contingo | yes | 23:12 |
freebobby[m] | the guy standing up beforehand is a reporter | 23:13 |
LjL | maybe the virus task force has been hit by the virus | 23:17 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:15 UTC: Watch: Coronavirus task force holds press briefing as US outbreak expands: Members of the task force created to address the deadly coronavirus outbreak are expected to hold a press briefing Monday at the White House. → https://is.gd/5bdgRL | 23:17 |
LjL | the press conference will be delayed by 30 days if they make it | 23:18 |
freebobby[m] | > Under the decree, all public events will be banned, cinemas, theatres, gyms, discos and pubs closed, and funerals, weddings and sporting events cancelled. All schools and universities will remain closed until 3 April. | 23:18 |
freebobby[m] | > | 23:18 |
freebobby[m] | Damn italy is shut tf down | 23:18 |
LjL | not shut down enough | 23:18 |
freebobby[m] | across the whole country | 23:18 |
LjL | as long as public transport is working and people are going to work, this is going to continue spreading | 23:18 |
contingo | come on is Pence gonna perorate or aint he | 23:19 |
LjL | he may as well wait, i'm watching Montalbano | 23:19 |
freebobby[m] | this reporter is talking about the president potentially coming in contact w/ corona virus? | 23:20 |
LjL | i still can't hear a thing but yeah it was reported that he was with him on the AF1 | 23:20 |
freebobby[m] | damn thats wild | 23:21 |
Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 22:23 UTC: LEGGE 5 marzo 2020, n.13: Conversione in legge, con modificazioni, del decreto-legge 23febbraio 2020, n. 6, recante misure urgenti in materia dicontenimento e gestione dell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19.(20G00028) → https://is.gd/pEW9OZ | 23:25 |
Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +40 cases (now 114314) 🔶 Germany: +33 cases (now 1224) 🔸 Norway: +3 cases (now 227) 🔸 Slovenia: +1 cases (now 24) 🔸 Spain: +2 cases (now 1231) 🔸 Sweden: +1 cases (now 261) | 23:27 |
freebobby[m] | hey this seems promising | 23:33 |
freebobby[m] | https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ffztou/expert_chloroquine_phosphate_has_a_negative_time/ | 23:33 |
tinwhiskers | cool | 23:34 |
tinwhiskers | Maybe Germany is doing something like that!? | 23:34 |
LjL | he couldn't say "AND THE AMERICAN ECONOMY" any faster | 23:35 |
LjL | (press conference started) | 23:35 |
freebobby[m] | lol right | 23:35 |
LjL | companies companies companies | 23:35 |
tinwhiskers | %data lombardia | 23:35 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 4189 cases, 267 deaths (6.4% of cases), 550 recoveries as of Sun Mar 8 01:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 23:35 |
slash_ | the viruses in my blood are multiplying with every word that comes out of Trump's mouth | 23:36 |
LjL | %compliment tinwhiskers | 23:36 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers, A kitten's growl would not come near the plights of your spoken voice. | 23:36 |
tinwhiskers | lol | 23:36 |
slash_ | haha | 23:36 |
LjL | <says things only about companies and industry for ten minutes> but of course first thing we're going to take care of the american public | 23:37 |
slash_ | %compliment winwhiskers | 23:37 |
Brainstorm | winwhiskers, you're so stimulating that I would like to delight you all with my sanguineness | 23:37 |
slash_ | well that just seems creepy tbh, but ok | 23:37 |
slash_ | it was meant for you winwhiskers, but I am bad a keyboards I think | 23:38 |
slash_ | tinwhiskers*... jesus | 23:38 |
tinwhiskers | heh | 23:38 |
LjL | because he wins | 23:38 |
LjL | or he really wins, winamp style | 23:39 |
slash_ | the w is not even near the t on my keyboard | 23:39 |
ubLIX | companies companies companies | 23:39 |
LjL | so far, WHO press conferences are more significant than this | 23:39 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: can you tell what time zone the times in that Italian data are from the description on the github page? | 23:39 |
ubLIX | companies | 23:39 |
ubLIX | CEO's | 23:39 |
ubLIX | companies companies | 23:39 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, CET aka UTC+1 (in winter) | 23:40 |
tinwhiskers | oh. crud | 23:40 |
slash_ | Good god, please replace Pence with Laurence Fishburne | 23:42 |
LjL | i'm muting the press confederence, rather keep watching montalbano | 23:42 |
LjL | let me know if they quarantine america | 23:42 |
freebobby[m] | yeah bet | 23:43 |
slash_ | a quarantine in the US is unlikely | 23:44 |
slash_ | too many guns | 23:44 |
LjL | shoot the virus | 23:45 |
freebobby[m] | damn reporters are yelling "has the president been tested" | 23:45 |
slash_ | good god | 23:46 |
slash_ | can you imagine if the US would lose Trump now!? | 23:46 |
LjL | who's the madman in the UK who's going to fly to Italy now | 23:46 |
slash_ | they'd be stuck with Pence! A much more competent asshole | 23:47 |
slash_ | you want incompetent assholes | 23:47 |
ubLIX | LjL: i spoke yesterday to a 19 year old who told me he just flew back from a snowboarding holiday in Italy | 23:47 |
ubLIX | (i excused myself and withdrew) | 23:48 |
LjL | ubLIX, ... | 23:48 |
slash_ | do we need a "hugh a coughing Italian" campaign? | 23:48 |
slash_ | because otherwise we are racist | 23:49 |
slash_ | so much stupidity | 23:49 |
LjL | ubLIX, part of what probably prompted today's actions was that there was apparently a "marketing campaign" (i presume by some skiing resort) catering to youth and being like "you're not going to school because virus? come to us to ski instead! not to lombardy 'cause those guys had to close their resorts, losers!" | 23:49 |
LjL | slash_, who's even bringing that up? | 23:49 |
slash_ | LjL I was joking, because a while back people where organizing "hug a chinese" things, to show that they are not racist | 23:50 |
slash_ | LjL because people thought: coronavirus=chinese | 23:50 |
slash_ | but it is all stupid, a virus does not care about human concepts about race | 23:51 |
slash_ | it infects and kills all | 23:51 |
romare | it can't kill the turks!!! | 23:51 |
LjL | but it sure as hell can kill the kurds | 23:52 |
slash_ | romare glorious Erdogan will protect all Turks from corona!! | 23:53 |
LjL | you'll see how selective it is | 23:53 |
romare | lol | 23:53 |
freebobby[m] | Biji Rojava! | 23:53 |
slash_ | LjL he was (very) sarcastic I think :P | 23:53 |
LjL | slash_, you don't have to explain greek alphabet jokes to greeks OR sarcasm to, uh, well, me | 23:54 |
tinwhiskers | %data lombardia | 23:55 |
Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 4189 cases, 267 deaths (6.4% of cases), 550 recoveries as of Sun Mar 8 19:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 23:55 |
darsie | %data vienna | 23:55 |
Brainstorm | darsie: Sorry, vienna not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 23:55 |
slash_ | LjL no, the Dutch Constitution clearly states that I must explain jokes to non-Dutch people | 23:55 |
darsie | %data austria | 23:55 |
Brainstorm | darsie: In all areas, Austria, there are 131 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 2 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 19:33:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria for time series data. | 23:56 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, are you sure you don't have it the other way around? it shows 19 but since they're released at 18 UTC+1, that's 17 UTC | 23:56 |
tinwhiskers | mmm | 23:56 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:54 UTC: Coronavirus response: Trump floats payroll tax cut, other financial relief amid outbreak: President Donald Trump on Monday said he will be meeting with Senate and House Republicans on Tuesday to discuss "a possible tax relief measure" to provide "a timely and effective response to the coronavirus." → https://is.gd/QiAOLN | 23:56 |
slash_ | LjL it is basically the only reason we where allowed to join the EU in the first place, to badly explain jokes | 23:56 |
tinwhiskers | meh. They're only updated once every 24 hours anyway. That's closer than it was :-) | 23:57 |
LjL | slash_, but can you explain the belgians? nobody can explain the belgians | 23:57 |
tinwhiskers | :-) | 23:57 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, i'll only allow this as long as you extrapolate from the data a snapshot of what they're going to be the next hour | 23:58 |
tinwhiskers | :-/ | 23:58 |
slash_ | LjL I don't think Belgians can explain why Belgium exists tbh | 23:58 |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.17.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at https://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/!