libera/##covid-19/ Monday, 2020-03-09

python476yeah I meant the reputation thing parallel00:00
BirossoHmmmm00:00
python476where grades are not even meaningful anymore00:00
LjLi have to go drink some alcohol to forget i'm quarantined now. behave yourselves.00:00
BirossoWell, what is your university's reputation like exactly?00:00
python476LjL: don't drink it all, keep some to wash your hands00:00
BirossoWhat do people say about it that's supposed to give you an advantage?00:00
twomoonshi ljl i didn't know that spain at that time had almost half the gdp per capita as italy00:00
ubLIXBirosso: engineers in general and perhaps mechanicals in particular are going to be high-systemisers and low-empathisers in general, a combination that can sometimes be mistaken for 'dickishness'. i wonder how far you take this into account00:00
LjLpython476, no problem, i have french wines for that00:00
python476Birosso: I have no idea, only that companies called us even before we finished00:00
python476LjL: very acidic00:01
twomoonsi wonder how they pulled even with italy given that they went through the great financial recession of 2008-201400:01
LjLtwomoons, book had data from 1986, look it up and find out whether my memory is on spot00:01
BirossoubLIX: One guy once told me on this topic (he wasn't an engineer) that he felt that engineers in general liked objects and things more than people.00:01
twomoonsyeah sure 00:01
python476ubLIX: is this related to the 5 personality traits ?00:01
LjLtwomoons, wolfram alpha should do00:01
LjL%wa gdp per capita italy, spain in 198600:01
ubLIXpython476: not really, no00:01
BirossoI reflected on that for a moment and replied that engineers, or I at least, like the things going on in their heads and the things they can do themselves more than anything anyone else can do for them.00:01
python476oh ok00:01
BirossoSo I guess, yes, something along those lines can be mistaken for that.00:01
python476Birosso: I did like objects more than people 00:01
LjLor not.00:02
BrainstormLjL, failed to get any hits! 00:02
python476it's so much more stress-free 00:02
python476but then I discovered love00:02
python476and now I like people even less00:02
twomoons6496/spain , 11278/italy (1986)00:02
BirossoIt's not about stress. This might sound egoistic, but I find myself more fascinating than most other people.00:02
ubLIXBirosso: well there is surely a large grain of truth in your friend's suspicion00:02
twomoons73.6% higher00:02
BirossoEven if I'm just shouting random nonsense at myself in the mirror.00:03
BirossoIt is what it is.00:03
twomoonsgo focus on your situation birosso00:03
Birossotwomoons: CALM BEFORE THE STORM! Let me enjoy it.00:03
BirossoTomorrow is a business day.00:03
ubLIXBirosso: "... more fascinating ..." lmao00:03
BirossoubLIX: I don't know what to say! It's what came to mind!00:04
ubLIXfinding other people fascinating can be effortful, but it gets easier with practise00:04
BirossoAllow me to elaborate: I'd rather sit alone at home practicing the piano than spending an evening out meeting random strangers.00:04
ubLIXfair00:04
BirossoAs such, I might quickly dismiss random strangers before I don't think it would be a good investment of my time, talking to them that is.00:04
BirossoWhat did I previously say that made you suspect I was lying?00:05
BirossoWHAT, HUH, WHAT?00:05
ubLIXnothing; caaaalm00:05
ubLIXtwas rhetorical device00:06
BirossoWhat are you, ubLIX?00:06
BirossoIf I may ask.00:06
ubLIXhmm?00:06
BirossoYour field of expertise.00:06
BirossoYour occupation.00:06
BirossoIt is not an existential question.00:07
ubLIXthat is a very personal question00:07
ubLIXthat i cannot answer succinctly00:07
BirossoI did add "if I may ask."00:07
BirossoSo you may refuse to answer without sounding rude or abrasive.00:07
BirossoBut I'm still going to dislike you anyway!00:07
ubLIXmy mind is too peripatetic to collect concentrated expertise, if you want the truth00:08
BirossoI can relate. That was the case for me a few years ago, until I learned to... merge all my interests.00:08
LjLWhat kind of epidemic is this channel about? I thought it was a lung thing but it sounds like it's a brain thing00:09
BirossoSubtle...00:09
LjLLike pyramids are subtle tombs00:10
python476ubLIX: jack of all trades club00:10
ubLIXpython476: jack of a handful, anyway00:10
LjLJack shit here00:10
python476ants are invading my bedroom00:10
python476they reached my nose00:11
python476i might be there for long, farewell brothers00:11
LjLDefinitely a brain thing.00:11
Birosso.___.00:11
LjL9,99Brainstorm:99,99 New99,99 from r/WorldNews at 19:59 UTC:99,99 worldnews: Xiamen University has developed rapid testing kit for the COVID-19 antibody with results available in 29 minutes. The testing kit has been approved by the EU and exported to countries including Italy, Austria and the Netherlands. — from r/WorldNews at 19:59:99,99 Livethread: Global COVID-19 outbreak → https://is.gd/zoZPSm00:14
LjLI *was* thinking Guardian had refrained from making it about the economy for an unusually long time interval00:30
LjL%cases Iran00:37
Brainstorm🔶 World: +89 cases (now 110008), +9 recoveries (now 60772) 🔶 France: +83 cases (now 1209) 🔸 Argentina: +3 cases (now 12) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 14) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 25) 🔸 Toronto, ON, Canada: +1 cases (now 28) 🔸 Chile: +2 cases (now 10) 🔸 Czech Republic: +5 cases (now 31) 🔸 Egypt: +6 cases (now 55) 🔸 Finland: +1 cases (now 25) 🔸 Gibraltar: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Iceland: +3 cases (00:37
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, Iran, there are 6566 cases, 194 deaths (3.0% of cases), 2134 recoveries as of Sun Mar  8 12:03:30 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iran for time series data.00:38
BrainstormLjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries).00:38
LjL%cases South Korea00:38
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, South Korea, there are 7314 cases, 50 deaths (0.7% of cases), 130 recoveries as of Mon Mar  9 00:30:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Korea for time series data.00:38
LjL%cases Germany00:46
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, Germany, there are 1040 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Sun Mar  8 22:03:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data.00:46
Spec30 min test, nice00:48
Speccan't wait until USA rejects it because it wasn't made here00:48
LjLSpec: I think the PCR test is pretty quick too, but not sure if this one is easier to perform. The article says it's used together with the other test to increase confidence, but I suppose it can also be used to see if you've been positive before, which may become important to know in the longer run00:51
tinwhiskersLjL: I'm in town today but will take a look at that regional data for Italy later on.00:53
tinwhiskersOh, that was a bit insensitive of me talking about moving around freely :-/00:54
tinwhiskersToo soon?00:54
LjLtinwhiskers: everyone is moving around freely here. If you get caught, which is unlikely, the worst is you get to pay €10000:55
LjLI'm much more worried about our mortality rate and the stated lack of ventilators and possible necessity to decide which patients to treat and which to let go00:55
LjLthan I am about my ability to go skiing00:56
tinwhiskersThat is scary00:56
LjLSomeone literally broke the quarantine to go skiing in the next region which isn't quarantined00:56
tinwhiskersBtw, I didn't add population into the csv file because i could find a decent source that was current and included provinces00:56
LjLIt's always trickier than it seems00:57
LjLI might just remove the mortality rate anyway, at least I can confide in my inability to do maths to avoid cringing00:57
tinwhiskersAlthough as it turns out worldometers.com may have that but I need to confirm00:58
tinwhiskersI'm going to the hospital again today though for my lungs so an thinking of other things00:59
LjLtinwhiskers: 1) stay alive 2) put the data in01:00
LjLMainly because if you can't do 1 you won't do 201:00
tinwhiskers:-)01:01
pwr22I've got to go to the doctors in the morning 😐️01:11
python476are there penalties for breaching quarantine ?01:12
LjLyes, €206 fine or 3 months jail01:13
LjLnot entirely sure if it's up to you to choose, but anyway, when you get "3 months of jail" in italy you don't actually go to jail01:13
LjLi believe with the last law about this, you don't go unless it's more than 5 years01:13
LjLincidentally, today there have been riots in multiple prisons due to the emergency law barring family members from talking to prisoners01:14
LjLkeep in mind that in Hubei, at least one prison became a major spreading center of the epidemic01:14
LjLSpec, but most importantly: Amazon has marked my package as shipped01:16
LjLi should check the eBay tracking too though...01:17
Specnice01:20
Specmaybe they'll use drones to deliver01:20
LjLSpec, everything's just working as usual, even public transport. i have the feeling it will continue like this until people start dropping dead in the streets Wuhan-style01:21
LjLif those things were even true... but if they weren't, we can make them01:21
Specyes01:21
LjLtinwhiskers, and i must admit i had a knee-jerk reaction yesterday. nobody likes being told you're imprisoned in your home, or even city. but now i'm thinking they didn't go far enough01:22
python476man the ant invasion is getting out of hands01:24
LjLor like a frenchman would say01:24
LjLout of 'ants01:24
tinwhiskersLjL: are people still going to work?01:25
LjLtinwhiskers, i'm afraid the answer to that question is a resounding yes01:25
Brainstorm🔶 World: +34 cases (now 110042), +1267 recoveries (now 62039) 🔶 Mainland China: +31 cases (now 80734), +1267 recoveries (now 58600) 🔸 Argentina: +3 cases (now 12) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 14) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 25) 🔸 Toronto, ON, Canada: +1 cases (now 28) 🔸 Chile: +2 cases (now 10) 🔸 Czech Republic: +5 cases (now 31) 🔸 Egypt: +6 cases (now 55) 🔸 Finland: +1 cases (now 25) 🔸 Heilongjian01:25
LjLcompanies are "strongly encouraged" to arrange for their employees to work from home, or take leaves01:26
LjLand we all know how much of an effect "strong encouragement" has01:26
tinwhiskersYeah01:26
LjLpoll of the night: is anyone NOT convinced the world won't quite ever be the same again after this?01:28
python476LjL yeah well i think all these out of ants decided to sleep in my room01:28
python476corner of my floor is 50% dead ants now01:28
LjLpython476, at least ants would probably request a quarantine order01:28
LjLrespect*01:28
python476plausible01:28
python476but they do leave a lot too close to each other .. good for infections01:28
LjLpython476, but they have efficient quorum voting mechanisms, i read01:29
python476even though I did make alcohol spray barriers around their entry01:29
python476to warn them 01:29
python476but they did cross01:29
LjL%title https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/science/animals-voting-elections.html01:29
BrainstormLjL: From www.nytimes.com: Sneezing Dogs, Dancing Bees: How Animals Vote - The New York Times01:29
LjLthey'd decide in favor of a lockdown faster than our democracies would01:30
Brainstorm🔶 Hubei, Mainland China: +36 cases (now 67743), +21 deaths (now 3007), +1198 recoveries (now 46433) 🔸 Argentina: +3 cases (now 12) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 14) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 25) 🔸 Toronto, ON, Canada: +1 cases (now 28) 🔸 Chile: +2 cases (now 10) 🔸 Czech Republic: +5 cases (now 31) 🔸 Egypt: +6 cases (now 55) 🔸 Finland: +1 cases (now 25) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong: +1 recoveries (now 59) 🔸 01:39
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 00:39 UTC: (news): US coronavirus cases top 500 as Oregon joins list of states declaring emergencies → https://is.gd/fInTMF01:43
python476hey01:45
python476I'm a reporter now01:45
python476` 01:43:5601:45
python476They want to know if i can deploy in the next 24 hours for emergency COVID19 containment in miami`01:45
python476fresh from the paramedic's mouth01:45
tinwhiskerspython476: cool. Who you reporting for?01:48
python476snektv01:49
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 22 more fatalities, bringing death toll to 3,119 → https://is.gd/AYtr7c02:20
LjLi'm nearly shocked by how much of an utter idiot this reporter is being. also reckless, and irresponsible in encouraging clearly unsafe behavior. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-26/coronavirus-covid-19-travelling-to-italy-with-small-children/1200151602:41
Brainstorm🔶 World: +76 cases (now 110121), +47 recoveries (now 62089) 🔶 South Korea: +69 cases (now 7382), +36 recoveries (now 166) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Guizhou, Mainland China: +6 recoveries (now 123) 🔸 Hunan, Mainland China: +11 recoveries (now 979) 🔸 Jiangsu, Mainland China: +6 recoveries (now 618) 🔸 Zhejiang, Mainland China: +9 recoveries (now 1170) 🔸 Peru: +1 cases (now 7) 🔸 Saudi Arabia: +4 02:42
LjLyes the tourism industry in italy will suffer, boo hoo, maybe i will end up having less money to buy my ebay toys... but how about trying to stay alive first and also not infecting the rest of the world with reckless visits that we really don't need while struggling with quarantine and hospitals beyond their limits02:42
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 248 cases to cross 7,300 → https://is.gd/AYtr7c02:47
ubLIXthis is laughably insane: "If we were rich enough, we'd probably postpone the holiday to a later time, just in case, and absorb whatever extra costs that entailed. We're not rich enough."02:50
LjLubLIX, well i hope they are at least rich enough to pay for a private clinic in italy after they realize that while "Medical facilities in major Italian cities are considered of a good standard", they will not find a single bed available02:55
ubLIXthe date on that article was nearly two weeks ago. they might have had a change of heart by now02:57
LjLubLIX, but meanwhile, any damage done by that article being printed would be done02:58
LjLubLIX, but i'm sure they will add a "P.S.: we realized we were rich enough eventually"02:58
ubLIXlol02:59
ubLIXuff gotta sleep03:00
ubLIXnn03:00
sneepItaly is about to surpass South Korea03:08
sneep%cases italy03:08
Brainstormsneep: In all areas, Italy, there are 7375 cases, 366 deaths (5.0% of cases), 622 recoveries as of Sun Mar  8 19:03:04 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data.03:08
sneep%cases south korea03:08
Brainstormsneep: In all areas, South Korea, there are 7382 cases, 50 deaths (0.7% of cases), 166 recoveries as of Mon Mar  9 03:04:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Korea for time series data.03:08
LjLsneep, you're late03:13
LjLoh wait, what, they surpassed us *back*?03:13
LjLpretty sure we were first in the graphs earlier!03:13
LjLdamned koreans03:13
LjLsneep, graph is awesome though, https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy;South%20Korea but do enable non-authoritative data for awesomeness03:14
LjLviral kiss03:14
LjLthen you look at the death rates, and it's a bit less awesome to look at if you're in italy03:15
sneepWhy do you have so many deaths?03:15
sneep"I have a fever and feel really bad but it couldn't be Covid, just a couple hundred people in the entire country have that?"03:18
darsiehttps://www.cdc.gov/handwashing/show-me-the-science-hand-sanitizer.html03:18
fructoseHaven't watched it yet, but might be interesting: https://edhub.ama-assn.org/jn-learning/video-player/1829638603:20
LjLsneep, i just don't know. we also have twice the ICU percentage as normal, and... many more hospitalizations than normal. we have run out of ventilators. government has suggested it may become necessary to "select patients to treat", and unofficially, some hospitals' doctors have said they are already forced to do that.03:21
darsiehttps://www.who.int/gpsc/5may/Guide_to_Local_Production.pdf%0F on https://dpaste.org/84a6 is a bad link, even without %0F.03:25
darsieAh, no, without %0F it's ok.03:25
sneepItaly apparently has Europe's oldest population03:27
sneepAccording to https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/world/europe/coronavirus-italy-elderly.html03:27
LjLsneep, japan's average is older, yet they are containing it better and the mortality is lower03:32
LjLdarsie, okay, fixing03:33
sneep> In Secugnago, a few hundred yards outside a checkpoint blocking the entrance to one of Italy’s locked-down towns, old men shrugged off the threat and said they often drank with friends who slipped out of the quarantined towns via country roads.03:39
LjLsneep, you surprised? the same is happening on a much larger scale now that most of northern italy is theoretically quarantined03:39
sneepPeople are silly03:40
LjLand i damned sure hope my eBay delivery from Turin manages to sneak in03:40
sneepWhat did you buy?03:41
LjLa Walkman03:41
LjLat least i'll have plenty of cassettes to listen to during the coming months of lockdown03:41
sneepWow, retro03:41
LjLnaah it's one of the most recent ones, like 199703:42
LjLi already got a real retro one though03:42
LjLsneep, https://www.ebay.it/itm/Sony-walkman-wm-ex550/283805310495 (i didn't pay it the price you see though, i made a lower offer)03:42
sneepDamn, 79 EUR03:43
LjL(also had talked to the seller extensively beforehand, he sells a lot of walkmans and guided me through the models for what i wanted)03:43
twomoonsljl going retro now03:43
LjLsneep, i paid it 50, but i better not tell you how much i paid for the actual retro one from the 80s that was a professional recording model03:43
LjLtwomoons, "now"03:43
sneepI consider 1997 pretty retro BTW :P03:43
LjLinsert standard fucking millennials comment here03:44
sneepw03:44
twomoonshow the hell did italy get so geezed out03:45
twomoonseurope's oldest population 03:46
LjLsneep, i have a datassette, and there are copies of my earliest programs on its cassettes, so joke's on you03:46
sneepI lost mine :(03:46
sneep(Read: my mom threw it and the C128 and C64 out)03:46
LjLsneep, well the C64 is toast though, also, i tried to recover those programs years ago by playing them into my soundcard, without realizing the tape deck i had at the time was faulty and damaged tapes. so now i lost my programs. that was partly what originally brought me to start watching walkmans on ebay, to replace the deck with something small but decent... and then i never bought any for years, until now03:47
skyofdust              /whois LjL03:47
skyofdustDamn tabs ahahaha03:47
LjLsneep, good lord, people throwing out C128s. my friend's parents also did. look at what they go for on ebay now03:47
LjLskyofdust, i am who i am03:48
sneepLjL: damn03:48
twomoonsdamn03:48
twomoonsor should i say early millennials03:49
sneepAlso threw out a rare Atari Mega/STE03:49
LjLsneep, to be fair, people like you are why they are rare to begin with!03:49
sneep399 EUR on ebay! damn03:49
sneepAnd I had a monitor too03:50
LjLi wanted to replace my C64 with a C128D (look at how much THOSE go for, if they have a keyboard and look decent) years ago after it broke, back then they still had sane prices on ebay03:50
LjLbut then i just kept not-winning them, and upping my bids, but still not winning03:50
sneepI got my C128 for free BTW03:50
LjLnow i kind of just gave up03:50
sneepIn the early 2000s I think03:50
LjLsneep, may you then catch coronavirus in your eyeball03:51
LjLsorry that's just standard italian jocular banter03:51
sneepIt was already a retro system and my teenage me was marveling at what 80s computers were like03:51
LjL"already"03:51
LjLit was VERY MUCH a retro system in the early 2000s03:52
sneepWell then 1997 is retro too! :p03:52
LjLwell no, the C128 is from 1986, so03:52
LjL1997 had pentiums, not C128s :P03:52
sneep2020-1997 = 23, 2001-1986 = 2503:53
LjLyeah, except computers have changed much less in the past several years03:53
sneepI didn't have a Pentium in 199703:54
LjLthings have been tapering off a lot, Moore's law stopped being true, etc03:54
sneepI had a 38603:54
LjLlol@you03:54
LjLi had a Pentium 233 and a shiny 33.6kbps modem03:54
sneepNo wait, maybe I did have a Pentium03:54
sneepPentium 9003:54
LjLthat's basically just a slightly faster 486 in disguise03:54
sneepIt was actually an overclocked Pentium 7503:54
Speclol03:54
Spec44 people in my state have been tested, total03:55
LjLthen it's basically just an overcooked 48603:55
LjLSpec, your state of mind?03:55
Specyes03:55
LjLSpec, cases are starting to accrue around NYC, from what my personal NYC-related newsticker recounts03:56
twomoonsjesus some article says "coronavirus going to hit its peak and start falling sooner than you think" =/03:57
twomoonsi wish they would refrain from writing articles like this03:57
twomoonsljl did you have to revert the subject back to virus =/03:58
twomoonsdamnit03:58
LjLtechnically Spec did03:58
sneepDammit Spec03:58
swift110hey all03:59
sneepWe were talking about old computers, you can't just interrupt that03:59
swift110old computers are cool03:59
sneepLjL: I'd like to have a go at repairing your C6403:59
swift110I am on an old computer right now it is an ibm x60 from 200703:59
sneepLet me book some flights to where you are03:59
LjLlol03:59
LjLsneep, my C64 isn't where i am though, it's at the alps apartment03:59
LjLwhich i am not even technically allowed to go to04:00
LjLswift110, thinkpads are decent04:00
sneep2007 isn't that old04:00
twomoonshi spec04:01
LjLsneep, well it's not old for a retrocomputer, but it's not very new for a computer you're actually typing on now04:01
LjLalthough Brainstorm is from 200804:01
LjLhi Brainstorm04:01
BrainstormG'day LjL!04:01
LjLBrainstorm, that's not the way you talk to your much elders04:01
sneepOkay 2007 is old actually04:03
sneepI think the HP laptop I still sometimes use but haven't in a couple months is from 200804:03
sneepAlso lunch time yay \o/04:04
LjLa 2008 computer that was very good back then can still be absolutely usable now04:04
LjLwhich goes to show what i was saying earlier about computer evolution tapering off04:04
LjLalso a C128 is like a completely different *type* of beast from a Penium from 199704:05
LjLwhile a Pentium from 1997 isn't so much unlike what we have now, except a lot slower04:05
BrainstormNew from Reddit WorldNews Live at 02:58 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Jamie Dupree su Twitter: "More cases in Georgia… " → https://is.gd/wKV8Bu04:09
LjLis the r/Italy live thread even still going, and if so, why isn't Brainstorm posting anything from it04:10
LjLmaybe i should terminate the feed anyway since those funkyfaces banned me04:10
sneepi guess our $40000 server with 44 cores will still be a usable machine in 10 years04:12
swift110LjL, I love thinkpads04:12
twomoonsthinkpads suck04:12
twomoonsthe touchpad is awful04:12
twomoonsthe red rubber thing sucks too04:12
sneeptouchpads are generally awful04:12
RougeRlol04:14
BrainstormRougeR: At 2020-03-06 19:28:21 UTC, contingo told you: How is your contact who was trapped in the hotel doing?04:14
RougeRmade this for funsies04:14
RougeRhttps://repl.it/repls/LoyalRespectfulByte04:14
RougeRBrainstorm, hes back in uk04:14
RougeRwas my cousin04:14
RougeRtested negative twice, public flight n tube, 14 days self isolation in london04:14
swift110lol04:17
swift110this x60 normally has 3 gb ram installed04:18
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 248 cases to cross 7,300 → https://is.gd/AYtr7c04:23
RougeRsouth korea is doing well04:26
RougeRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_outbreak_in_South_Korea04:26
RougeRtbh04:26
RougeRat containing04:26
RougeRthey massively dropped their exponent04:26
LjLyeah, just the same as italy04:44
RougeRLjL, 04:49
RougeRno04:49
RougeRnot at all04:49
RougeRitaly is averaging a 1.25 exponent04:49
RougeRsouth korea 1.0504:49
LjLsarcasm detection failure detected04:49
RougeRah hahaha04:49
RougeRif italy contineu at the same exponent rate you will have04:49
LjLyes, we're fucked04:49
RougeRDay: 7, Cases: 6334304:50
RougeRAt the current rate of infection there will be 55968 cases in 7 days04:50
RougeRWould you like to run the simulation again? (Y/N)04:50
RougeRill model uk04:50
RougeRhttps://repl.it/repls/LoyalRespectfulByte04:50
LjLwe don't need to reach anywhere that amount of cases to be fucked04:50
LjLwe're already running out of ICU beds and ventilators04:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:47 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan shuts down 11 makeshift hospitals as China cases slow: Chinese state broadcaster CCTV said 11 of the 14 makeshift hospitals in Wuhan built for treatment of the new coronavirus have closed. → https://is.gd/AYtr7c04:50
RougeRit might drop with your containment measures04:50
LjLour containment measures are a joke04:51
LjLno one is heeding them, and they are weak as designed04:51
RougeRleast you have them04:51
LjLon paper04:51
LjLpeople can still work04:51
RougeRmmm04:51
LjLpublic transport is still going04:51
LjLpeople are still leaving the "lockdown" area, with only some small amount being found out and fined04:51
RougeRmy parents want to travel to north france this week04:51
RougeRthey have a campervan, so not as bad04:52
RougeRstill04:52
RougeRyeah i saw LjL 04:52
LjLfrom?04:52
RougeRJersey04:52
RougeRisland off coast of uk04:52
RougeRferry/camper04:52
RougeRand they are staying on my uncles farm04:52
RougeRmiddle of nowhere04:52
LjLhmm04:53
RougeRyeahh they seem intent on going04:53
LjLi'd say travelling in general is unadvisable now04:53
RougeRbut ive told them to wait n see04:53
LjLbut i guess there's worse04:53
RougeRyeah 04:53
RougeRi agree04:53
RougeRits bordeaux they are going too04:53
RougeRhgoly fuck france04:53
RougeRlast 3 days before today they averaged 1.5 exponent04:54
RougeRAt the current rate of infection there will be 8252 cases in 7 days04:55
RougeRFrance ^04:55
RougeRsorry thats new cases04:57
fructoseRougeR: Where is that calculation from?04:57
RougeR9378 total04:57
RougeRfructose, 04:57
RougeRhttps://repl.it/repls/LoyalRespectfulByte04:57
RougeRI just knocked up a function for it04:58
RougeRtakes the average exponent over the last 7 days and then models it for the next y days04:58
RougeRjust hit run04:58
fructoseThat's inaccurate for more than one reason04:58
RougeRit is04:58
RougeRbut its not a bad guess04:58
RougeRI could of course take in lots of data and make it more accurate04:59
RougeRbut it is accurate if the rate of infection holds stable05:00
RougeRand it is accurate (roughly) when you back date it05:00
fructoseConfirmed cases are not total infected population. Even consulting only confirmed cases, the growth rate is not stable. More recent data would be more relevant than older data, so an average is a bad guess.05:03
RougeRyes of course05:04
RougeRyeah05:04
RougeRso taking 7 days05:04
RougeRaka the most recent05:04
RougeRlooking at the exponent05:05
RougeRand showing confirmed05:05
RougeRis not a bad idea05:05
fructoseIt's a bad estimate05:05
RougeRwhat would be a good estimate then05:05
RougeRwithout taking a huge amount of variables05:05
fructoseA good estimate is best left to specialists, but you can calculate growth rate as it progresses not only in France, but also South Korea, Italy, Iran, Germany, etc. You can use that to calculate doubling time.05:09
fructoseThe more recent data is data over the last 2 days, not 7 days.05:10
freebobby[m]its pretty wild how fast data has been produced. but that also comes with negatives05:11
fructoseYep, I've told people about cases reported near them only to learn afterwards it was a reporting error.05:12
RougeRfructose, okay...05:12
RougeRagain doesnt work though05:13
RougeRsouth korea has an exponent of 1.05, in italy its 1.2505:13
fructoseEvery country has a different growth rate. That's not a surprise.05:15
freebobby[m]exponent as relating to doublng time?05:15
freebobby[m]not sure whats being referenced05:16
sneepit feels to me like there are many people especially in europe who don't like listening to authority, regardless of whether the authority's orders are right or wrong05:17
fructosefreebobby[m]: You take the current population and raise it to some power and get how many there will on the next day. I use growth rate and doubling time because it's less confusing.05:17
freebobby[m]i see something like daily exponential growth05:18
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:16 UTC: Oil nosedives as Saudi Arabia and Russia set off 'scorched earth' price war: The news is a sudden U-turn from previous attempts to support the oil market as the new coronavirus hammers global demand. → https://is.gd/82FgmI05:18
sneepthough i don't have much of an anti-authoritarian image of italy05:18
sneepfrance and germany though...05:19
LjLSpec, i think your image of italy is wrong05:23
LjLif we're told to do black, we do white, almost by definition05:23
LjLauthority is seen as arbitrary and bureaucratically annoying for no reason05:23
LjLnot Spec, sneep05:23
RougeRfreebobby[m], exponent here being the increase in cases as a percentage05:23
RougeRdaily05:24
LjLthe quarantine measures are already hilariously being ignored completely05:24
LjLpeople sneaking out to go ski05:24
freebobby[m]it is going to be interesting to see the difference in response from cultures/sub-cultures that respect authority vs those that dont05:25
freebobby[m]<LjL "people sneaking out to go ski"> is that something more than one person has done?05:25
LjLthat's only one case that i know of. but many more cases of people just leaving via train05:25
LjLto begin with, when the quarantine was leaked, people in Milan rushed to the station that had the last train out of Lombardy05:26
LjLsome had to be removed by police as they insisted to get on the train05:26
tinwhiskersLjL: you want all the individual provinces (129), or just the provinces (22) from that Italy data? It seems like the individual provinces would be massive overkill05:26
tinwhiskerserm or just the regions05:27
tinwhiskersregions (22)05:27
LjLtinwhiskers, regions are 20, but i assume Trento and Bolzano are counted separately...05:27
tinwhiskersah05:27
LjLtinwhiskers, i'd like provinces, personally, but it probably doesn't interest anyone in here but me05:28
tinwhiskersthey are only updates once a day, so you won't get any running stats like you do with other stuff05:28
tinwhiskersBut when they update your bot would want to show all 12905:29
sneepwell... maybe people will see that being anti-authoritarian all the time is pretty stupid05:29
Specsneep: who is to say the authority in question would have, or is, doing the right thing?05:30
Specmaybe people will see that the authorities don't always have your best interest in mind, as well05:30
freebobby[m]> well... maybe people will see that being anti-authoritarian all the time is pretty stupid05:30
freebobby[m]> 05:30
freebobby[m]Maybe they take care of each other better05:30
freebobby[m]Or at least with more dignity05:30
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:23 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan shuts down 11 makeshift hospitals as China cases slow: Chinese state broadcaster CCTV said 11 of the 14 makeshift hospitals in Wuhan built for treatment of the new coronavirus have closed. → https://is.gd/AYtr7c05:31
sneepWow, actually good news05:32
tinwhiskersI'm not convinced that *is* good news05:33
sneepWhy not?05:34
tinwhiskersIMO, the ideal situation is that you want to let the virus run it's course but slow it to a rate such that your medical services are not overrun. If you close up too much then you're just asking to have another outbreak when you open up again. The economic cost and possible the costs in lives may be worse if you quarantine too heavily.05:35
tinwhiskersThey can't keep strict quarantine going forever.05:35
fructoseI'd say it's good news. It's not like they can't open them up again.05:40
fructoseThey're just directing patients to regular hospitals rather than makeshift ones.05:41
freebobby[m]I wonder if an econolodge counts as a makeshift hospital in the US05:41
tinwhiskersfructose: fair05:41
tinwhiskersfructose: but I've also heard their regular hospitals have a lot of empty beds now so I think they may have gone past the optimum point05:42
tinwhiskersThere's some evidence that once the virus reaches about 20% of your population it starts finding it difficult to find new hosts (i.e. weak herd immunity) so if you can slow it until then you may well keep on top of it without such drastic economic impacts.05:43
freebobby[m]> There's some evidence that once the virus reaches about 20% of your population it starts finding it difficult to find new hosts (i.e. weak herd immunity) so if you can slow it until then you may well keep on top of it without such drastic economic impacts.05:55
freebobby[m]> 05:55
freebobby[m]Thats interesting, are there any research papers discussing this?05:55
tinwhiskersI wish I could point to where I read that but it was something an epidemiologist was saying after doing some modelling with what is known of the disease epidemiology. There's no papers yet I don't think.05:57
freebobby[m]no worries, it would at least stand to reason05:57
freebobby[m]but that cant quite cut it for me in re:covid19 anymore05:58
freebobby[m]else the world is ending and also not at the same time05:59
tinwhiskersI was surprised about a figure as low as 20% because herd immunity usually only starts working at much higher percentages, but I didn't investigate.05:59
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews at 04:53 UTC: worldnews: Livethread: Global COVID-19 outbreak → https://is.gd/1zRjTi05:59
tinwhiskersbut if it's in the ballpark then that's really good news06:00
freebobby[m]at glance it would make the data fit06:01
freebobby[m]it was hard for me to imagine such strict quarentine measures actually pushing growth rate so low06:02
Brainstorm🔶 World: +31 cases (now 110152), +1 deaths (now 3825), +5 recoveries (now 62094) 🔸 Australia: +13 cases (now 93) 🔸 Canada: +2 cases (now 66) 🔸 Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 9) 🔸 Ecuador: +1 cases (now 15) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Mainland China: +1 deaths (now 3119), +3 recoveries (now 58603) 🔸 Beijing, Mainland China: +7 recoveries (now 315) 🔸 Guangdong, Mainland China: +1 deaths (now 8), +4 recoveri06:02
tinwhiskersit doesn't stack up in provinces outside Hubei. In China I think you can explain it by their strict quarantine measures (or lack of reporting)06:03
tinwhiskersOther provinces have no gone anywhere near 20% and have still dropped to almost nothing06:03
freebobby[m]probably a mix of both06:03
freebobby[m]its pretty amazing the amount of asymptomatic/extremely mild cases being reported06:04
freebobby[m] * its pretty amazing the percentage of asymptomatic/extremely mild cases being reported06:05
tinwhiskersthere's no reports of asymptomatic cases... they don't have any symptoms.06:06
tinwhiskersOh, I guess some places they are still testing asymptomatic case. My bad.06:06
tinwhiskersMost places are not testing people without symptoms06:06
freebobby[m]yeah i guess i also use that as an analog for having a mild cold and not really thinking twice about it06:07
yuriwhohere's a good article collecting a lot of solid information. Please disregard the fact it come from a lefty political blog website, the information is accurate and useful: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2020/3/8/1925485/-Coronavirus-Some-more-research-findings-about-the-virus?utm_campaign=trending06:12
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 05:03 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Wuhan shuts down 11 makeshift hospitals as China cases slow: Chinese state broadcaster CCTV said 11 of the 14 makeshift hospitals in Wuhan built for treatment of the new coronavirus have closed. → https://is.gd/AYtr7c06:12
tinwhiskersyuriwho: there's some really good info in there!06:17
sneeplol, great video06:26
twomoonsnow we're getting financial news 06:47
freebobby[m]Dow Futures were...ruff06:49
sneep(The question on everybody's mind: What's GFC?)06:49
freebobby[m]lol thats literally the only reason i clicked the article06:50
freebobby[m]Global Financial Crisis -- 200806:50
subringglobal financial crisis?06:50
twomoonshaha06:50
freebobby[m]ding ding ding06:50
subringwhat do i win? a trip for two on the diamond princess?06:51
freebobby[m]In the states we call it The Great Recession or similar06:51
freebobby[m]lol you get a free dust mask06:51
subringn95, i gope06:52
subringhope*06:52
twomoonsin spain they called it a depression 06:52
twomoonssome ppl called it that06:52
twomoonsbecause it was far worse for spain than for the US06:52
sneepI was a college student and wholly unaffected06:53
twomoonsthe truth is that it didn't affect my amazon business much06:53
freebobby[m]Is it normal for two N95 masks to cost 40 dollars06:53
twomoonsso i can't say it was actually a recession06:53
twomoonsit was weird06:53
twomoonsyeah06:54
twomoonsthat's the going rate now06:54
freebobby[m]was not pre-covid tho correct?06:54
twomoonsno it was much cheaper06:55
twomoonsbut N95 masks are annoying to breathe through06:55
subringdisposable ones usually run $2 or so06:55
freebobby[m]because this is fucking me up06:56
subringthat's the pre-covid rate06:56
sneepI'm getting my next mask shipment on Friday06:58
sneepPaid 9000 yen06:58
sneepWorks out to 300 yen per mask06:58
twomoonsi feel stupid for getting masks already06:58
subringwhat's that in real money?06:58
BruntLIVEwho is the offical sponsor of the virus?06:59
twomoonsi shoulda spent the money on an O2 concentrator06:59
subringNike06:59
sneepProbably approximately 3 (USD/EUR/...)06:59
freebobby[m]Are you in CN?06:59
sneepCN is yuan06:59
sneepyen is Japan06:59
subringyou got masks for $3/each? not bad06:59
freebobby[m]oh right07:00
freebobby[m]<---merican07:00
subringhow'd you manage that miracle?07:00
sneepJapan has high production07:00
subringwhat brand?07:00
sneep超立体07:02
sneepUnicharm07:03
subringin japan do they do the same crap as in the u.s.07:04
subringtell you not to buy masks because they "don't work"?07:04
freebobby[m]personally would rather buy 40$ of rice n beens07:05
sneepsubring: No, they don't07:05
subringnot toilet paper like the rest of the fucking demented population?07:05
freebobby[m]thats what showers are for07:05
sneepPeople in Japan have been habitually using masks for quite a while07:06
twomoonsTP vs. rice&beans lol07:06
sneepSo they've always had rather high production07:06
subringpandemic on the way...do i need water? no. food? no. i just need 6 months worth of paper to wipe my ass with.07:06
subringwho thinks that way? a lot do. but why?!?!07:06
twomoonsthis is nuts07:06
freebobby[m]>who thinks that way? a lot do. but why?!?!07:07
freebobby[m]>07:07
freebobby[m]Not even worth attempting a snarky answer07:07
twomoonsTP must be a status symbol07:08
twomoonsif you invite a guest over and don't have TP that must look real bad07:08
freebobby[m]I remember my Gram talk about the great depression. She said sure it was tough but people stuck together, helped eachother. She had people sleep in the hay barn for a while. Im personally looking forward to the day where I can share the same story about this to the grandkids07:08
twomoonsyah my great grandma said she would make hot plates for a regular group of guys every day almost07:09
twomoonsppl helped each other out07:09
subringyou'll be able to share the story about the day you let strangers sleep over during COVID-19 and woke up and your flat screen and your car were gone.07:09
freebobby[m]lol honestly dont even own a tv but i get the picture07:10
subringthe 1930s are long gone...07:10
twomoonsi want my TV gone07:10
twomoonsi want my blender gone07:10
subringno use trying to make believe you're a character in grapes of wrath07:10
freebobby[m]lmao07:10
twomoonstake my fake van goghs too07:11
freebobby[m]idk personally have a good community of people around me07:11
sneepJust put high price tags on the stuff you want gone07:11
subringfreebobby[m]: you're lucky07:11
sneepBroken blender -> $100007:11
freebobby[m]yeah thats just what i was typing07:11
twomoonslol07:12
sneepTV -> $0.5007:12
subringhaven't you seen the videos of peopel trampling each other or getting into brawls at best buy during black friday?07:12
subringjust wait until food shortages arrive07:12
sneepblack eyeday07:12
twomoonsthere's so much food in this country it won't happen07:12
subringif it gets to that, it won't be pretty. it won't be like the stories of your granny. it'll be like mad max.07:13
twomoonswhat could happen is a fight over luxury foods like marshmallows or something07:13
freebobby[m]I didnt even see that in wuhan. 07:13
freebobby[m]yeah id agree with twomoons07:13
twomoonsor pop tarts07:13
subringyeah, because in wuhan you have a government that'll put you in a gulag if you act up07:13
freebobby[m]personally still dont think its the apocolypse07:13
sneephttps://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/07/it-isnt-mad-max-police-warning-after-shoppers-brawl-over-toilet-paper-in-sydney07:14
subringi mean shit07:14
subringit doesn't take much07:14
twomoonsaustralia is such a small country i thought ppl would get along more07:15
subringit's a huge country though the population is not that big - but it is concentrated on the coasts.07:15
subringand they have had huge waves of immigration, so social cohesion is probably lower than what it once was.07:16
mandiblegripsubring: correct07:16
twomoonsthe movies give you this idea that australians are all calm and orderly07:16
mandiblegripI am Australian. We have separate "communities" for the most part.07:16
sneepexcept when it comes to toilet paper07:16
freebobby[m]<sneep "https://www.theguardian.com/aust"> haven't you seen the videos of peopel trampling each other or getting into brawls at best buy during black friday?07:16
sneepfreebobby[m]: Some human behavior I will never understand 07:17
freebobby[m]I dont fuk with austrailians they wrestle stingrays07:17
freebobby[m]> The price of Brent crude oil fell nearly 30% to $21.14 on Monday, its biggest single fall since the start of the first Gulf war in 1991. Some experts predicted that it could fall even further unless the Saudis and Russians returned to the bargaining table.07:18
freebobby[m]Rough times tho to be sure07:18
freebobby[m] * The price of Brent crude oil fell nearly 30% to $21.14 on Monday, its biggest single fall since the start of the first Gulf war in 1991. Some experts predicted that it could fall even further unless the Saudis and Russians returned to the bargaining table.07:18
freebobby[m]> 07:18
freebobby[m]Rough times tho to be sure07:18
twomoonsfreebobby[m], futures or spot?07:18
mandiblegripThe Australian stock market dropped 7.33% today.07:19
freebobby[m]The arctile doesnt specify, but when i was checking it out early futures were down 40% i believe07:19
twomoonsholy shit 7.3307:20
freebobby[m]Since they mention Monday and not Sunday id assume they are talking spot07:20
mandiblegriptwomoons: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/09/australian-stock-market-down-733-in-worst-day-since-gfc-as-coronavirus-sparks-recession-fears07:20
freebobby[m]DOW Futures dropped 4% in the first 15 mins07:21
twomoonswow07:21
twomoonsi see Brent at $3307:22
subringthe law of disorder07:22
subringcovid + oil wars + noko shooting missiles 07:22
subringprobably time to reboot this simulation07:23
freebobby[m]to be fair stock market has been inflated af07:23
twomoonsyeah true07:23
freebobby[m]since GFC07:23
mandiblegripSo will it bounce back once the vaccine is being administered, or are we in for Great Depression II?07:23
freebobby[m]imo itll setlle pre great depression07:24
freebobby[m]but we are a year at least from vaccine.... a year is hopefull07:24
freebobby[m]we are gunna get really good at vid games07:24
sneepWow, you [m] guys are on matrix?07:25
mandiblegripfreebobby[m]: Haha, I was telling people weeks ago to buy Blizzard stocks. We'll all be playing World of Warcraft within a month.07:25
sneephttps://matrix.org/blog/2015/06/22/the-matrix-org-irc-bridge-now-bridges-all-of-freenode :O07:26
freebobby[m]not sure i dont see [m]'s07:26
sneep15:26 < freebobby[m]> not sure i dont see [m]'s07:26
freebobby[m]yeah dogg07:27
freebobby[m]matrix protocol is prety tight07:27
sneep15:18  * freebobby[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ilvfgNErYyGIlfzPghiZpKoI >07:27
freebobby[m]not perfect but does a darn good job07:27
freebobby[m]yeah was wondering how IRC would handle that, I saw yalls freenode tags07:28
sneepSo I was wondering if I should fuel up my car, just in case07:29
freebobby[m] * >The numbers of new deaths and infections continued to fall in China. China reported 22 new deaths, the lowest new cases on record. There were 40 new cases nationwide, with most in Hubei.07:29
freebobby[m]> 07:29
freebobby[m]This is honestly astounding and I hope not a case of failure to report07:29
freebobby[m]Gas is gunna be cheap af lol07:29
sneepBut apparently if the price of crude oil is falling I guess there's no need?07:29
freebobby[m]imo gasoline glut is more likely07:30
sneepShould I buy containers so that I can sell my gas when the price is higher again?07:30
freebobby[m]transportation is slowing down, planes trains freight07:30
sneepHmm not worth the fire risk07:30
freebobby[m]buy beans07:31
freebobby[m]or short the market07:31
freebobby[m]>Saudi Arabia cordoned off the oil-rich, predominantly Shia region of Qatif, suspended air and sea travel to nine countries and closed schools and universities as the number of cases in the kingdom continued to increase.07:35
freebobby[m]>07:35
freebobby[m]So im not an oil geo politics expert. I cant quite piece together the Saudi - Russian oil. Like why now? Why go so hard in ramping up production. Are they just tryin to pull as much oil as they can before Quarenteen measures slow down production?07:35
azyBuy beans you can sprout and eat raw07:38
azySo not kidney07:38
subringopec couldn't stike a deal07:39
subringso saudi said "fuck y'all" imma bottom out prices to destroy your economies (to the other opec countries)07:39
subringhoping that would bring them back to the table07:39
freebobby[m]thats rough, especially right now07:39
subringhelps actually07:40
subringas recessions fears hit, it's good to at least have cheap energy07:40
freebobby[m]doesnt that fuck up the dollar tho?07:43
subringif you're a consumer, which we all are, then cheap oil will help07:43
subringif you're a petro economy then it fucks you up07:43
subringnow, this could really hurt the shale guys operating in the u.s.07:45
subringso, many analysts think this is putin's way of getting back at the u.s. for nord stream 2 and rosnet.07:48
sneepmatrix seems decent07:48
subringby walking away from opec+, russia essentially lets prices drop, and shale frackers in the u.s. get slammed07:49
subringso the saudi call to reduce production falls apart07:49
subringand all hell breaks loose. net net we benefit07:49
freebobby[m]seems that it would have a deflationary pressure on the us economy as industrial commodities decline in demand07:53
freebobby[m]but honestly this is not my wheelhouse07:53
freebobby[m]matrix is more my wheelhouse than this lol07:54
pwr22!cases china08:19
freebobby[m]congrats sneep08:20
freebobby[m]i can sneep you now08:20
freebobby[m]oh. sneep 08:20
sneep[m]apparently matrix displays who's currently typing08:21
freebobby[m]mhmm08:21
freebobby[m]it used to show who was online08:21
freebobby[m]lol nice08:21
sneepthe client i decided to try out probably isn't very good08:22
freebobby[m]riot is usually the one to go with08:23
freebobby[m]for gui08:23
freebobby[m]ive messed with weechat cuz im a terminal nerd, but its a pain in the ass08:23
sneepi used irssi for irc08:23
sneepuse*08:23
freebobby[m]lol freudian slip08:23
sneepweechat is similar enough though we used to look down on weechat because it wasn't irssi :)08:24
freebobby[m]yeah ive used w/ irc08:24
freebobby[m]but no matrix bridge afaik08:24
sneepi decided to go with quaternion because it uses qt, same as my desktop environment. but it seems kind of lame08:25
pwr22That one isn't very good iirc08:26
freebobby[m]Riot has the best E2EE implementation that was my use case08:26
pwr22Do I have a [m] on IRC? I've registered my nick so probably not08:27
sneep16:27 < pwr22> Do I have a [m] on IRC? I've registered my nick so probably not08:27
pwr22Thanks08:28
Brainstorm🔶 World: +12 cases (now 110164), +51 recoveries (now 62145) 🔶 Mainland China: +3 cases (now 80738), +1 deaths (now 3119), +53 recoveries (now 58653) 🔸 Australia: +13 cases (now 93) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 67) 🔸 Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 9) 🔸 Ecuador: +1 cases (now 15) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Georgia: +2 cases (now 15) 🔸 India: +1 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Latvia: +3 cases (now 6) 🔸 Beijing, Ma08:29
tinwhiskerssneep: no, you don't08:36
tinwhiskersOh. Lol. Nevermind08:36
sneepAre there that many people who spend their entire income every month?08:39
Brainstorm🔶 Shandong, Mainland China: +52 recoveries (now 699) 🔸 Australia: +13 cases (now 93) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 67) 🔸 Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 9) 🔸 Ecuador: +1 cases (now 15) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Georgia: +2 cases (now 15) 🔸 India: +1 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Latvia: +3 cases (now 6) 🔸 Mainland China: +23 recoveries (now 58676) 🔸 Chongqing, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 528) 🔸 World: +08:42
skyofdustsneep, I'm using weechat08:45
skyofdustIt's cool, I'm using a texto to speech pluin so I can listen to the chat channels while I do stuff it's fun :P08:45
subringare these chinese recoveries true? i read some article that some whistleblowers are saying the chinese news is all fake08:48
sneep%cases shandong08:49
Brainstormsneep: In Shandong, Mainland China, there are 758 cases, 6 deaths (0.8% of cases), 699 recoveries as of Mon Mar  9 08:33:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Shandong for time series data.08:49
Brainstormsneep: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 0.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries).08:49
sneepthose graphs don't look too weird08:50
pwr22%cases wales08:50
Brainstormpwr22: In New South Wales, Australia, there are 38 cases, 3 deaths (7.9% of cases), 4 recoveries as of Sun Mar  8 06:13:07 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20South%20Wales for time series data.08:50
sneepno love for old wales08:51
mefistofelessubring: depends, what are they exactly saying it is fake?08:57
subringmefistofeles: the recovery stats08:58
subringhttps://theweek.com/speedreads/900488/chinas-coronavirus-recovery-all-fake-whistleblowers-residents-claim08:58
pwr22We'll just have to see09:04
pwr22There seems little reason for China to lie so aggressively given everyone else is in the same boat09:04
pwr22Imo09:05
sneepAh that's what you mean09:31
sneepYou mean recovery as in economic recovery09:31
sneepYes, those reports seemed reliable to me09:31
sneepNot a big deal IMO though09:32
sneepThe government wants factories to do stuff but the workers are scared => cook the books a little bit and everyone is happy09:33
BrainstormNew from Reddit Italy live at 08:45 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il calo della borsa è probabilmente dovuto sia al coronavirus in Italia, sia per tagli drastici al prezzo di olio nell'Arabia Saudita. → https://is.gd/y4vqQE09:51
Brainstorm🔶 World: +107 cases (now 110271), +1 deaths (now 3826), +38 recoveries (now 62206) 🔶 South Korea: +96 cases (now 7478) 🔶 Mainland China: +61 recoveries (now 58714) 🔸 Australia: +13 cases (now 93) 🔸 Austria: +8 cases (now 112) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 67) 🔸 Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 9) 🔸 Ecuador: +1 cases (now 15) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Georgia: +2 cases (now 15) 🔸 Hungary: +2 cases (n10:03
Brainstorm🔶 World: +84 cases (now 110355), +3 deaths (now 3829) 🔶 Hubei, Mainland China: +34 recoveries (now 46485) 🔶 Germany: +72 cases (now 1112) 🔸 Australia: +13 cases (now 93) 🔸 Austria: +8 cases (now 112) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 67) 🔸 Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 9) 🔸 Ecuador: +1 cases (now 15) 🔸 Egypt: +11 recoveries (now 12) 🔸 Georgia: +2 cases (now 15) 🔸 Hungary: +2 cases (now 9) 🔸 India: +1 recover10:16
fructosehttps://i.imgur.com/g7hDvUS.png10:34
azyhttps://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambucus10:34
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 09:55 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Passenger Deliberately SPITS at air stewardess, has to be contained. Covid-19 → https://is.gd/Xkq94F11:09
mefistofeleslol @ Brainstorm 11:16
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live at 10:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, alcuni detenuti evadono dal carcere di Foggia e vengono bloccati all'esterno - la Repubblica → https://is.gd/CQnI7m11:23
Brainstorm🔶 World: +298 cases (now 110688), +1 deaths (now 3841), +2 recoveries (now 62210) 🔶 Spain: +234 cases (now 909) 🔶 Germany: +39 cases (now 1151) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong: +1 cases (now 115) 🔸 Mainland China: +1 deaths (now 3120), +2 recoveries (now 58718) 🔸 Hubei, Mainland China: +1 deaths (now 3008) 🔸 Shandong, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 700) 🔸 Tianjin, Mainland Chin11:30
mefistofeleswow, Spain11:34
mefistofeles%data Spain11:34
Brainstormmefistofeles: In all areas, Spain, there are 909 cases, 17 deaths (1.9% of cases), 32 recoveries as of Mon Mar  9 11:15:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data.11:34
mefistofeles%data Germany11:35
Brainstormmefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 1151 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Mon Mar  9 11:15:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data.11:35
mefistofelesno deaths, impressive11:35
mefistofelesof course, still few recoveries as well11:35
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live at 10:27 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, rivolta a Milano nel carcere di San Vittore: detenuti sui tetti - la Repubblica → https://is.gd/uYmj4g11:37
sneep"The unrest for the anti-diffusion rules of the coronavirus that impose the suspension of talks with relatives also arrives in the Milanese prison of San Vittore: prisoners have climbed onto the roofs, the prison police are intervening to quell the unrest in the wards. Yesterday also riots in other Italian prisons, from Pavia to Modena."11:39
mefistofeleswoah11:40
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:45 UTC: (news): Sen. Ted Cruz, Rep. Paul Gosar self-quarantining after interaction with CPAC attendee who tested positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/x7nGxD11:51
Brainstorm🔶 World: +55 cases (now 110743), +4 recoveries (now 62214) 🔶 Belgium: +39 cases (now 239) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Iraq: +5 cases (now 65) 🔸 Israel: +1 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Kuwait: +1 cases (now 65) 🔸 Mainland China: +3 recoveries (now 58721) 🔸 Norway: +1 cases (now 178) 🔸 Poland: +4 cases (now 15) 🔸 Portugal: +1 cases (now 31) 🔸 Slovakia: +1 cases (now 6) 🔸 Spain: +2 cases (now 911) 🔸11:57
Brainstorm🔶 World: +595 cases (now 111338), +51 deaths (now 3892), +260 recoveries (now 62474) 🔶 Iran: +595 cases (now 7161), +43 deaths (now 237), +260 recoveries (now 2394) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Spain: +8 deaths (now 25)12:10
Timvde%cases Belgium12:36
Brainstorm🔶 World: +56 cases (now 111394), +1 recoveries (now 62475) 🔶 Switzerland: +42 cases (now 374) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Poland: +1 cases (now 16)12:36
BrainstormTimvde: In all areas, Belgium, there are 239 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Mon Mar  9 11:43:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgium for time series data.12:36
TimvdeToday is my last day of holiday, I usually go by train...12:37
TimvdeMaybe I should take the car for a change?12:37
pwr22I have returned from the doctor's and executed fastidious hygiene!12:38
pwr22Even my phone has been disinfected12:38
contingowhat did the doctor say?12:41
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:43 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Staff worker at Disneyland Paris tests positive for virus: A maintenance worker at Disneyland Paris has tested positive for the coronavirus, Reuters reported on Monday, citing a spokesperson. → https://is.gd/AYtr7c12:45
python476o/12:50
Brainstorm🔶 World: +37 cases (now 111431) 🔶 Spain: +37 cases (now 948) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Hubei, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 46487) 🔸 Shanxi, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 127) 🔸 Poland: +1 cases (now 16)12:50
pwr22<contingo "what did the doctor say?"> Just checking up on mental health stuff mainly13:03
pwr22Though me made me take a ventolin inhaler because of cornavirus stuff13:03
pwr22Take as in get one just in case I get it13:03
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:09 UTC: (news): Sen. Ted Cruz, Rep. Paul Gosar self-quarantine after interaction with CPAC attendee who tested positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/x7nGxD13:12
contingofair enough13:13
Brainstorm🔶 World: +31 cases (now 111462) 🔶 Spain: +31 cases (now 979) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Hubei, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 46487) 🔸 Shanxi, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 127) 🔸 Poland: +1 cases (now 16) 🔸 Sonoma County, CA, US: +2 cases (now 3)13:17
pwr22Help, I got some aloe vera gel but my isopropyl alcohol seems to denature it13:31
pwr22It becomes globular white strands13:31
Brainstorm🔶 World: +64 cases (now 111526), +10 recoveries (now 62485) 🔶 Sweden: +44 cases (now 248) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Mainland China: +10 recoveries (now 58731) 🔸 Heilongjiang, Mainland China: +10 recoveries (now 431) 🔸 Hubei, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 46487) 🔸 Shanxi, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 127) 🔸 Norway: +1 cas13:44
sneeppwr22: Did you try diluting your IPA first?13:48
pwr22Nope because I'm not sure how I'll get a 70% level in the final result13:49
pwr22I tried 2/3 IPA with 1/3 gel13:49
sneepYou don't need the aloe anyway13:49
pwr22And it already looks like that's not gonna be enough gel to give it a gel consistency13:49
pwr22The aloe just makes it easier to use / less harmful to skin overall I guess13:50
pwr22I'll try diluting it later anyway, just using up a lot of IPA experimenting :D13:51
sneepYou don't need to be exact either13:51
sneepWhat are the odds that "70%" is an exact number?13:51
pwr22I kind of want it in a 60-70 range13:52
pwr22and I think it's already a bit diluted due to evaporation13:52
pwr22So playing it safe aiming for 7013:52
pwr22I'll find a way.... somehow!13:52
BrainstormNew from Scientific American at 13:00 UTC: Health: The Poor and Marginalized Will Be the Hardest Hit by Coronavirus → https://is.gd/FRuUUo14:07
Brainstorm🔶 World: +64 cases (now 111590), +5 recoveries (now 62490) 🔶 Spain: +57 cases (now 1036) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Mainland China: +15 recoveries (now 58736) 🔸 Heilongjiang, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 423) 🔸 Hubei, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 46487) 🔸 Shanxi, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 127) 🔸 North Macedonia:14:11
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Amazon won't dock warehouse workers' pay, Iran cases surpass 7,100 → https://is.gd/WPl4mu14:20
tinwhiskersItaly overtakes South Korea and Iran will probably do the same tomorrow. South Korea infections continue to slow and hint at peaking. Theirs problems may largely have been due to that crazy cult spreading the disease but it looks like they have their shit together.14:23
yuriwhoUS markets open down 7%, I think that triggers a trading halt14:31
mefistofelesyuriwho: really? according to some law/rules?14:32
mefistofelesor just a aguess14:32
yuriwhothey are still trading14:33
python4762020 the year where the planet froze14:33
mefistofelesnah14:33
python476burned ?14:33
yuriwhohere are the trading rules: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/09/sp-500-futures-are-frozen-after-tanking-5percent-heres-what-happens-when-circuit-breakers-kick-in.html14:33
yuriwhothey were withing .1% of halting in the first few mins, must have some fast algo trading that stopped it14:35
yuriwhothey are now halted for 15 mins14:35
yuriwhoglad I'm not panic calling my broker as I sold 2 ½ weeks ago14:36
Brainstorm🔶 Netherlands: +56 cases (now 321) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Denmark: +24 cases (now 59) 🔸 Greece: +1 cases (now 74) 🔸 Iceland: +2 cases (now 60) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 North Macedonia: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Norway: +4 cases (now 182) 🔸 Palestine: +3 cases (now 25) 🔸 Poland: +1 cases (now 16) 🔸 Romania: +2 cases (now 17) 🔸 Saint Barthelemy: +2 cases (n14:37
contingopwr22 what's the full ingredients list?14:43
contingois there xanthan gum in it14:43
mefistofelesbat blood14:44
contingoah a natural vaccine source14:44
LjL"morning"14:47
mefistofelesLjL: hey14:47
LjLrevolts inside and outside several italian prisons, including in Milan, Rome and Naples14:47
mefistofelesyes, we heard, that sucks14:47
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Cruise ship docks at Florida port, tips for staying virus free → https://is.gd/WPl4mu14:48
LjLspecially for the inmates, since they apparently destroyed heating and other systems14:48
LjLand windows, etc14:48
LjLMilan Stock Exchange is down more than 10%14:48
contingowith some deaths (in the prison riots) I read14:49
contingogood day14:49
LjLTimvde, if you can take the car and it's not going to be a problem with traffic, i would avoid public transport14:50
LjLsneep, yes when you see people with [m] they are using Matrix, keep in mind this channel is also a Matrix room as #covid-19:matrix.org14:51
LjLwhen you *don't* see [m] though, that doesn't mean they're not from Matrix anyway. whois LjL-Matrix for instance14:52
mefistofeleswe are being infected by the matrix14:52
mefistofeles;)14:52
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Stocks crater on virus anxiety, cruise ship docks at Florida port → https://is.gd/WPl4mu15:01
mefistofelestehre are cruises from 170 USD in the caribbean now :P15:02
LjLlol15:03
LjLi'd be tempted, if only i could without being arrested15:03
mefistofelesheh yes15:03
LjLthey've implemented a self-certification system here now, where if you want to be going somewhere (in theory anywhere, even just within your city) you must print this form and detail the reasons you're moving around for15:04
LjLthis couple just stated that they wanted to be having a holiday, and they were inevitably arrested15:04
LjLhttps://static.gedidigital.it/repubblica/pdf/2020/cronaca/moduloautodichiarazione.pdf  ←  Italy's module for self-certifying that you have good reasons to be outside15:19
LjLthe spaces to write stuff are so ridiculously small15:19
LjL"I'm leaving because ___" (space for barely one word)15:19
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Stocks crater amid anxiety; Amazon, Microsoft each donate $1M → https://is.gd/WPl4mu15:29
LjL"six die in prison protest linked to Italian clampdown" ← from what i understand, they broke into the prison's pharmacy and injected themselves with... things15:30
LjLmaybe this is indeed natural selection at work :|15:30
BruntLIVEyikes15:33
Brainstorm🔶 World: +82223 cases (now 111708), +3217 deaths (now 3892), +58854 recoveries (now 62504) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Denmark: +24 cases (now 59) 🔸 Greece: +1 cases (now 74) 🔸 Iceland: +2 cases (now 60) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Mainland China: +19 recoveries (now 58740) 🔸 Ch15:44
sneepwow, 82223 cases in two hours15:49
_io_is the bot broken? how is it supposed to work?15:50
p_hpd[m]Denmark is the official figure?15:50
_io_or the site broken?15:51
pwr22<contingo "is there xanthan gum in it"> yeah15:53
pwr22%cases china15:55
Brainstormpwr22: In all areas, Mainland China, there are 80739 cases, 3120 deaths (3.9% of cases), 58740 recoveries as of Mon Mar  9 15:34:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mainland%20China for time series data.15:55
pwr22!cases china15:55
Brainstormpwr22: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 5.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries).15:55
yuriwhothe johns hopkins site is messed up showing about 2x the cases15:55
yuriwhofor some countries15:56
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Princeton classes go virtual; Amazon, Microsoft each donate $1M → https://is.gd/WPl4mu15:56
yuriwhohey darsie 15:56
darsie.15:56
pwr22I broke my bot working round a change in the data - and now it's changed back15:59
pwr22!cases china16:01
pwr22fixed now16:01
LjL<_io_> is the bot broken? how is it supposed to work? ← the bot is probably not broken, i expect it was a glitch in the data16:05
python476mother found ant insecticide.. my bedroom now looks like a cemetery16:07
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:07 UTC: (news): FDA warns televangelist Jim Bakker and six others to stop selling fraudulent coronavirus products → https://is.gd/UDiGfc16:10
Brainstorm🔶 World: +85 cases (now 111793), +27 recoveries (now 62531) 🔶 UK: +39 cases (now 319) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Denmark: +24 cases (now 59) 🔸 Germany: +13 cases (now 1164) 🔸 Greece: +1 cases (now 74) 🔸 Iceland: +2 cases (now 60) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Japan: +19 cases (n16:11
philhttps://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/09/covid-19-biologic-therapies-reviewed16:13
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Princeton classes go virtual; Amazon, Microsoft each donate $1M → https://is.gd/WPl4mu16:23
TimvdeLjL: traffic is usually pretty okay, but it's rather far and I like the comfort of the train and not "losing" two hours per day16:25
TimvdeAnd of course my employer pays my train, but it's my own car16:25
LjLTimvde, i have a feeling public transport can be a *big* disease vector, but i have nothing to cite about it.16:25
TimvdeSame16:25
LjLthey pay for your train? that's so very much unlike italy16:26
mefistofeleswell, anything that groups people is a risk factor16:36
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:28 UTC: NY Gov. Cuomo identifies New Rochelle as 'hot spot' for the coronavirus in New York: Gov. Andrew Cuomo identified New Rochelle, a city in Westchester county where the first coronavirus patient in the state was found, as a hot spot in New York, which now has at least 106 confirmed cases. → https://is.gd/qxoiKB16:37
pwr22I have succeeded in making 200ml of hand gel!16:42
mefistofelesheh cool16:43
pwr22Should be about 65% IPA16:43
mefistofelessounds like a strong IPA beer16:43
pwr22ha ha16:43
mefistofelespwr22: what's IPA in this context? fwiw16:44
pwr22isopropyl alcohol16:44
mefistofelesah ok16:44
mefistofelesthey recommend 70%, as far as I can remember16:44
pwr22I saw 60-70% as the idea range16:45
pwr22beyond 70% it actually starts being worse (and below 60)16:45
pwr22130ml 99.9% alcohol + 40ml filtered water (no idea if that matters) + 30ml aloe vera gel16:45
pwr22Started by diluting 60ml of alcohol with the water to make a ~60% solution, mix those together, then mix in the gel16:45
pwr22Then titrate in the remaining alcohol whilst mixing16:46
pwr22This seemed to avoid the denaturing issue I had earlier16:46
pwr22I might do an experiment to see how high I can go before denaturing but this seems good enough and don't want to waste the alcohol16:46
mefistofeleslol16:48
pwr22Being told not to panic buy long life foods and toilet rolls has caused an enormous run on them here in the UK 🤦‍♂️16:51
CatButtes[m]Wait shit. Were we told not to panic buy?16:53
sneepTry reverse psychology next time16:54
CatButtes[m]Pretty sure that would just cause looting tbh16:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Port Authority chief tests positive; New Rochelle, NY, a 'hot spot' → https://is.gd/WPl4mu17:04
LjLordering groceries online here is becoming increasingly difficult, impossible at some places. i expect it to become impossible everywhere shortly...17:06
pwr22☹︎17:07
CatButtes[m]“Here” being Italy?17:07
LjLCatButtes[m], yes, milan17:09
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:11 UTC: Gov. Cuomo confirms new coronavirus cases in New York, calls New Rochelle a 'hot spot': Gov. Andrew Cuomo identified New Rochelle, a city in Westchester county where the first coronavirus patient in the state was found, as a hot spot in New York, which now has at least 106 confirmed cases. → https://is.gd/qxoiKB17:18
LjL[SIAARTI recommendations for treatment choice in case of lacks of beds](http://www.siaarti.it/SiteAssets/News/COVID19%20-%20documenti%20SIAARTI/SIAARTI%20-%20Covid19%20-%20Raccomandazioni%20di%20etica%20clinica.pdf) suggesting to exclude older age groups from treatment17:20
pwr22!cases italy17:29
_io_!cases Canada17:29
pwr22Do italy only update once per day?17:29
pwr22!cases uk17:30
CatButtes[m]I suspect Italy are getting a little overwhelmed on the front lines at the moment17:31
pwr22heh, UK is still very early on it seems, most still stick17:31
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:28 UTC: (news): WHO says threat of pandemic 'has become very real' even as China recoveries rise → https://is.gd/y2rVBv17:32
pwr22 * heh, UK is still very early on it seems, most still sick17:32
Brainstorm🔶 World: +69 cases (now 111862) 🔶 Denmark: +55 cases (now 90) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Germany: +13 cases (now 1164) 🔸 Greece: +1 cases (now 74) 🔸 Iceland: +2 cases (now 60) 🔸 Indonesia: +13 cases (now 19) 🔸 Japan: +19 cases (now 530), +25 recoveries17:32
_io_why is death so high in Italy?17:32
sneepWha, the WHO is waking up?17:33
CatButtes[m]Older population and overwhelmed medical system17:33
python476in France, Hospital degraded quite a lot in the recent years17:34
python476very timely pandemia to remind everybody that Hospitals are critical17:34
LjLWHO press conference is live at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJQTM4QbTsg17:35
pwr22!cases south k17:35
LjLthey already made their statement, now they're answering questions17:35
pwr22LjL: thanks17:35
pwr22Are people staying sick for a long time in south korea or are they not reporting recoveries17:36
LjLpwr22, yes italy updates at 18:00 CET17:36
pwr22 * Are people staying sick for a long time in south korea or are they not reporting recoveries?17:36
mefistofelesthey are probably taking the conservative approach17:36
pwr22Ah cool17:36
LjLpwr22, Korea has drive-through testing, so my guess is maybe many people have tested positive but aren't really being tracked by the healthcare system because they're mostly okay at home17:36
mefistofelesthey can afford having more people and for longer periods in observation/treatment 17:37
LjLlow death rate would also support that17:37
sneephttps://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106420334-1583185950946covidbuyingpanic.png No love for celery17:37
pwr22Ah17:37
contingolol17:37
python47610$ celery are effective in fighting viruses17:39
python476and energy drinks promote infection17:39
LjLthe advice should just be "don't travel, you idiots"17:41
pwr22!cases us17:44
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Third cruise ship kept at sea; billionaires are losing billions → https://is.gd/WPl4mu17:45
LjLi think he's talking to italy right now17:47
pwr22who: GET THE **** INTO YOUR HOUSES AND STAY THERE!!17:48
slash_how are there still no cases in Turkey? They are testing afaik..17:50
slash_with those millions of Syrian refugees this is a catastrophe waiting to happen17:51
underscore!cases gr17:52
LjLslash_, i don't believe the numbers from Turkey in the least17:53
slash_LjL neither do I, they're either not testing or they're not reporting17:53
LjLkeep in mind Erdogan clearly *used* this event to his advantage, given the action he understood in Syria and towards Greece17:54
slash_Istanbul is a huge international hub..17:54
LjLso i find it only natural that as the huge asshole he is, he'd also pretend Turkey is immune17:54
slash_yeah he does not shy from using human beings for his own gain, as we can see now at the Greek border17:55
slash_but imagine this spreading in the overcrowded refugee camps17:55
slash_it'll go like wildfire17:56
Brainstorm🔶 World: +43 cases (now 111905) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Greece: +10 cases (now 84) 🔸 Lebanon: +9 cases (now 41) 🔸 Spain: +23 cases (now 1073)17:59
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:56 UTC: (news): WHO says threat of pandemic 'has become very real' even as China recoveries rise → https://is.gd/y2rVBv17:59
slash_China will just get new spreads from other countries now18:00
slash_also, these WHO guys really like their "windows of opportunity"18:00
LjLslash_, considering we have no realistic idea what's happening in Africa, i expect spread in refugee camps is more than possible18:04
slash_LjL yeah, this is gonna be a very bad year for a lot of countries18:06
pwr22This WHO thing feels like a meeting at work were people feel like they need to be present for a certain amount of time and just keep saying the same things over and over18:09
slash_I went to a party in Amsterdam last friday for work.. and now several coworkers are sick with flu/cold symptoms, not having a good feeling about this18:10
slash_pwr22 they are trying to say encouraging things to improve morale, but maybe they should hire people with some charisma instead of these 3 lol...18:11
pwr22Yeah definitely18:12
pwr22slash_: I hope you don't get sick and turn out to be ok 🙂. Hopefully just flu!18:12
pwr22</trump>18:12
slash_we need like some JFK "ask not what your country can do.." type of charismatic speaker18:12
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:08 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Third cruise ship kept at sea, wealthy losing billions: As of Monday morning, more than 111,300 cases of the new coronavirus have been reported, resulting in at least 3,890 deaths. → https://is.gd/WPl4mu18:12
pwr22!cases18:13
LjLpwr22, yes these WHO press conferences are generally underwhelming18:13
LjL"Stay at home. Everyone should stop work and stay at home, except for urgent needs."18:14
LjLthat's what they should say to genuinely contribute to stopping this18:14
LjLbut instead they "have" to weigh it against economy concerns18:14
slash_LjL I am in my early 30's so I am not worried, but thank you. I have no symptoms, but I live in a neighborhood with a lot of old people, I do not wish to infect them and put them at risk18:14
pwr22I'm planning to go swimming as much as possible before the pools all close 😭18:14
slash_LjL I mean, I am not worried for me*18:14
LjLi understand, i'm also not overly worried for myself, but i live with my elderly parents18:15
pwr22<LjL "but instead they "have" to weigh"> I think it's more that if they say that people will go manic and society will get seriously fucked for a while18:15
LjLpwr22, society WILL get seriously fucked for a while18:15
LjLwe're not going to avoid that18:15
pwr22In the uk people started rioting once because a politician didn't keep a promise they made to not increase tuition fees....18:15
pwr22LjL: fucked in a different way - like anarchy and because of that really rampant spread18:16
pwr22Healthcare is probably going to get overwhelmed but it would be worse if law enforcement were also overwhelmed right?18:16
pwr22People love a good riot 😉18:16
LjLChina has shown the only effective way to stop the spread so far: it happened when they controlled when and why people can leave their homes *completely*. it's a tough idea to face, but Italy is showing that softer measures *don't* work.18:17
slash_healthcare is going to be bad soon in the west..18:17
pwr22Yeah true, in hotspots I think the advice should be to stay home18:17
slash_LjL how strict are the quarantines in Italy?18:18
slash_in China they have checkpoints and they use force to stop people from leaving the quarantined areas18:18
LjLslash_, they are not nearly strict enough18:19
LjLmost people can effectively move just as always, they just face the *possibility* of a fine or arrest, which is not very likely in practice18:19
LjLunless/until they deploy the army to make things real, this is just... less than even a stopgap18:20
slash_well that is not encouraging..18:20
LjLneither will be the numbers that are going to be published soon (in theory they've been published 20 minutes ago, haven't looked though)18:21
LjLand to be honest, even if the numbers are lower than yesterday's, i am going to believe that's now due to bottlenecks in testing and hospitalization, rather than actual reduction of cases18:22
LjLCivil Protection press conference is due in 8 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1yPaN2RLZw18:23
slash_there's probably also less testing capacity in the weekend18:23
LjLno idea if automatic subtitle translation provided by youtube will be understandable18:23
LjLbut i will be able to give you the numbers18:23
LjLor... well, it should have been due at 18, but the numbers are awaiting update, so i'm confused now18:24
freebobby[m]In the midwest here, my partner was just told that from their program director that the  medical school has a greater than 50% chance of being closed. No cases on campus, less than 5 in the metro area18:25
slash_LjL our news sites are usually very quick with the updates, they also have correspondents in Italy that are fluent in the language of course18:25
Brainstorm🔶 World: +75 cases (now 111980) 🔶 US: +51 cases (now 617) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 70) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Finland: +3 cases (now 33) 🔸 Germany: +3 cases (now 1167) 🔸 Greece: +10 cases (now 84) 🔸 Indi18:26
slash_LjL youtube has a "live translation" beta feature for live streams, but it seems it is not enabled for that one18:28
LjLMy.computer  just crashed18:28
LjLSo much for watching this18:28
slash_it is starting now I think18:28
LjLi am wataching now18:30
LjLon phone, but typing on computer, that'll do18:30
pwr22The video seems to have stopped for me18:30
slash_I understand some words, but my Italian is too terrible to properly understand it18:30
LjLi don't know if they already gave the numbers, but my guess is no18:30
LjLcurrently they're talking about the issue of skiing resort illegally staying open18:31
LjLsigh18:31
slash_no i don't think so18:31
LjL"the common sense we have requested has not only not been applied, but in some cases there have been shameful marketing operations, such as encouraging students who are free from school to go skiing"18:31
CatButtes[m]Wow. That’s some fucked up marketing18:32
CatButtes[m]That should be criminal18:32
slash_netherlands also having a live pressconference at 19:00 (UTC+1), UK also having one now18:32
slash_LjL that's terrible...18:33
slash_LjL greedy fuckers18:33
LjLi will report on anything salient they're saying. right now they are not saying anything else interesting18:33
LjLi think he'll give the numbers now18:34
LjLrecovered: +102, total 72418:35
LjL97 deaths, total 46318:35
LjL6 in lombardy, 14 in e-r, 3 marche, 2 veneto, 2 latium, 8 piedmont, 1 ligury, 1 tuscany18:35
LjLabout age groups18:35
slash_damn 97 deaths.. at least the new cases are lower18:35
LjL1% 50-59 yo18:35
LjL10% 60-6918:35
LjL31 70-7918:35
LjL44% 80-8918:36
LjL14% >9018:36
LjLslash_, he didn't say the new cases yet18:36
slash_LjL ahh oke, sorry I thought you meant 463 cases, but those are deaths..18:36
LjLnew cases: +1598, total  798518:36
LjLnew cases: +1598, total  798518:36
LjL10% in ICU18:36
LjL3000 in self-quarantine18:37
LjL%cases italy18:37
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 7375 cases, 366 deaths (5.0% of cases), 622 recoveries as of Sun Mar  8 19:03:04 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data.18:37
LjLthey are starting to distribute ventilators in various regions, starting with 90 in lombardy18:37
LjLthey are also delivering PPEs, so far 1 million face masks18:38
LjLtomorrow they'll distribute 100k masks to the prisons18:38
slash_very bad news overall...18:38
LjLalso for prisons, 80 tents set up for pre-triage of suspected cases18:38
LjLquestions now18:39
slash_when they're using the term "triage" you know it's bad18:39
LjLasking 27% new deaths, tomorrow it was worse, but it's still around 5%. are we undersampling the total number of cases?18:39
philhttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-21058-w18:39
LjLdoctor answers18:39
LjLthere are two explanation: if we look at ages, we have lethality rates lower than China18:40
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:37 UTC: Here's what you need to know about coronavirus and your health insurance: More Americans will be getting tested for the coronavirus, and health insurers are waiving co-pays, but it's still important to know what your health plan covers. → https://is.gd/Wp0bih18:40
LjLhowever, we have a much older population18:40
LjLaverage age of deaths is over 8018:40
philWe show for the first time that far-UVC efficiently inactivates airborne aerosolized viruses, with a very low dose of 2 mJ/cm2 of 222-nm light inactivating >95% of aerosolized H1N1 influenza virus. Continuous very low dose-rate far-UVC light in indoor public locations is a promising, safe and inexpensive tool to reduce the spread of airborne-mediated microbial diseases.18:40
LjLbut what the journalist said is also possible18:40
LjLwhen we swab symptomatic people, we are automatically making the lethality rate seem artificially higher18:40
LjLthey are mainly swabbig symptomatic people because there is a shortage of tests18:41
LjLquestion: about Rome, the numbers are still low, but this morning you invited people to be very careful...?18:41
LjLanswer: yes, it was a forewarning. we saw what happened in Codogno, completely unexpected, a dramatic situation. clearly we didn't know the virus was circulating. now, even if we see a small increase somewhere far from the "red zone", we must pay attention to it immediately, to avoid finding ourselves in a difficult situation18:42
LjLthe fact that the emergency decree extended some emergency measures to the entire country is to try to prevent instead of mending later18:43
LjLquestion: a clarification, mortality rate is 5% globally, 6% in Lombardy. worldwide is just 3-4%. so the explanation of this is due that the italian population is older? and also, about age groups, how do they compare with  the Chinese ones?18:43
LjLanswer: it's really the same question. the chinese had a crude fatality rate of 2.4%, and we said, it's overestimated because there's many infected that don't get diagnosed18:44
LjLso, when we decided to swab only symptomatic people, we were expecting a raise in apparently mortality18:44
LjLbut then there's also the fact the chinese population is much younger than the italian18:44
LjLso again the mortality by age is lower than in china18:44
LjLquestion: the 325 ventilators you're delivering, how many are for ICU and how many are for sub-ICU (meaning mobile devices)? and also, can we have an indication of the average ages of ICU patients?18:45
LjLanswer: i don't have the specific numbers about ventilators in mind. also don't have the numbers about age of patients, but it's very high on average18:45
LjLbut in the areas where ICUs are going to be prioritized to younger people, average age will change18:46
LjL:(18:46
LjLbut we must say the number of patients in critical conditions is very very high18:46
LjLa question i didn't hear18:46
LjLthe press conference ends18:46
LjL---18:46
LjL%cases italy18:47
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 7375 cases, 366 deaths (5.0% of cases), 622 recoveries as of Sun Mar  8 19:03:04 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data.18:47
slash_yeah its gone for me as well18:47
slash_not updated18:47
LjLwell18:47
LjL%wa 97 / 798518:48
slash_https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ here they say 1797 new cases though? 917218:48
slash_total18:48
BrainstormLjL, Wolfram|Alpha (97/7985): Decimal approximation: 0.012147777082028804007514088916718847839699436443331246086... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=97+%2F+798518:48
LjLslash_, it's not quite clear to me which authorities only cite the number of *symptomatic* cases vs which ones release the total number of *positive tests*18:48
LjLso if the total is actually 9172, well, "great"18:48
LjLalso i made a division that made no sense18:49
LjL%wa 463 / 798518:49
BrainstormLjL, Wolfram|Alpha (463/7985): Decimal approximation: 0.057983719474013775829680651221039448966812773951158422041... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=463+%2F+798518:49
LjLthis is worse than yesterday18:49
slash_yes..18:49
LjLalmost 6%18:49
slash_thanks for translation the questions btw LjL18:49
LjLno problem, i have use for my own notes too18:50
LjLhttp://www.salute.gov.it/portale/nuovocoronavirus/homeNuovoCoronavirus.html is still reporting older numbers, which also do NOT include asymptomatic positives18:50
LjLhttps://opendatadpc.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/b0c68bce2cce478eaac82fe38d4138b1 is up to date18:50
LjLslash_, it appears 9172 is indeed the total, but 7985 is the number of *currently* positive people18:51
LjL463 is confirmed as the number of deaths "waiting for ISS confirmation" (bleh, whatever)18:51
slash_ahh that explains it18:51
LjLthe second graph to the right, that's showing the increase in amount of new cases reported each day18:52
LjLit looks... bad18:52
LjLit's like the first derivative is almost trying to be exponential, instead of just the function itself18:52
Brainstorm🔶 World: +1815 cases (now 113795), +110 recoveries (now 62641) 🔶 Italy: +1797 cases (now 9172), +102 recoveries (now 724) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 70) 🔸 Colombia: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Finland: +18:52
slash_LjL yes, I use this website as well for tracking cases in my country, it's a very good source18:53
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:49 UTC: Bargain airfares not enough to entice travelers 'fearful at any price' amid coronavirus: Coronavirus is softening air travel demand and bargains aren't enough to shield airlines from a rough quarter as many travelers stay home. → https://is.gd/OjZZ7L18:54
LjLnow i think i must put on a mask and go buy some groceries since online services aren't delivering18:54
slash_LjL I am stockpiling a bit.. numbers increase rapidly here, we might have the same situation soon18:54
freebobby[m]approx where are you at slash?18:55
slash_LjL stay safe18:55
slash_freebobby[m] netherlands, Rotterdam area18:55
freebobby[m]gotcha18:56
slash_freebobbt[m] you are in US?18:56
slash_freebobby[m]18:57
freebobby[m]yup midwest18:57
slash_at least, that is what my whois is saying :p18:57
freebobby[m]wait really?18:57
slash_yeah it says Atlanta, US18:57
slash_it's just the IP location though18:58
slash_I am not Google18:58
pwr22Oh dear, 5th UK death just now18:58
slash_freebobby[m] I think the US is about 1 week behind or so in severity compared to the EU18:59
freebobby[m]thats odd... thats the ip coming through freenode?18:59
freebobby[m]it might be the bridge18:59
slash_yes18:59
freebobby[m]<slash_ "freebobby I think the US is abou"> okay makes sense. 19:00
slash_yeah my IP location is the town of my ISP headquarters, not my actual town19:00
python476slash_: odd reversal19:00
python476usually US leads and we all trail behind19:00
slash_python476 this time be glad :P19:01
freebobby[m]universities are prepping to close down19:01
python476i was already glad19:01
python476I like not being first19:01
freebobby[m]honestly with our lack of testing im sure covid is well spread across the country19:01
twomoonshi ljl how's it going19:02
slash_freebobby[m] well it's not like we are testing properly either... they won't test people unless they have pretty sever symptoms atm19:02
pwr22twomoons: he's going to get some groceries so may be afk for a bit19:03
slash_freebobby[m] we also have a huge shortage of masks for medical personnel19:03
slash_freebobby[m] and no production19:03
twomoonspwr22, thanks for update19:03
slash_weird, Dutch media is reporting that Italian sports organization are taking measures, but no info about new cases..19:05
slash_while this is from the same press conference19:06
slash_and just as I said that the first one reported cases lol19:06
slash_this shit is making me paranoid lmao19:06
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:05 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Air fares drop, White House to meet with Wall Street: As of Monday morning, more than 111,300 cases of the new coronavirus have been reported, resulting in at least 3,890 deaths. → https://is.gd/WPl4mu19:07
slash_https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESp2uZqUcAANgrA?format=jpg&name=large should I buy more toiletpaper?19:11
python476diy toilet paper video trend on youtube in 3.. 2.. 1..19:12
slash_I don't even understand, it's fairly easy to find alternatives to toilet paper19:15
aradeshpeople were laughing at me at work because i was using tissues to open the doors :P19:15
python476slash_: I honestly know none really19:16
python476beside dinner table paper19:16
python476diy jet based ass cleaner19:16
slash_if you have access to clean water you can use a cloth19:16
python476reusable TP at the cost of frequent cleaning19:17
aradesheveryone at work seems to think it's all blown out of proportion and it's "just a flu virus"19:17
slash_you need clean water to survive and stay hygienic19:17
slash_so water should be the primary concern19:18
slash_use cloth/leaves or something to clean off the poop, and water+soap to clean yourself and your butthole properly19:19
python476btw I don't know if you know19:19
python476how do composting toilet behave regarding medical hygiene19:20
python476are they filthier than a ceramic toilet seat ?19:20
freebobby[m]they usualy have better sanitation than a septic tank if build and used well19:21
freebobby[m]in a covid situation i think it would prove dangerous 19:22
python476so naturally bacteria and viruses count decrease in dry toilets ?19:22
python476btw covid survive and leave our bodies into feces ?19:22
slash_maybe, but I would assume so19:23
freebobby[m]my understanding is with enough "brown" material (like sawdust) the decomposition is pretty complete19:23
slash_the virus primarily attacks the longs, but it can be present in your entire body19:23
freebobby[m]<python476 "btw covid survive and leave our "> yeah i believe this has been proven19:23
slash_lungs*19:23
freebobby[m]and was a source of infection in sars19:24
python476ah well, interesting factoid freebobby[m] 19:24
slash_I would assume everything from an infected person can spread the disease as a precaution19:24
python476even ideas19:25
slash_it's a new disease and we do not have proper data to know what exactly will and will not spread the disease19:25
slash_so assume everything19:25
freebobby[m]yeah they found in a HK hotel that the gas traps in the floor drains were not refilled with water and one person at the top of the building spread sars to a bunch of ppl below19:25
python476it's still a coronavirus so there are 'models'19:25
slash_freebobby[m] yes, they shut down an entire building due to that19:27
slash_better be safe than sorry19:28
freebobby[m]This video is facinating19:29
freebobby[m]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAsTMl3txyQ19:29
freebobby[m]Wuhan Today: Food delivery in coronavirus epicenter19:29
slash_the Dutch government just announced their most harsh measure yet to prevent spread: "Do not shake hands"19:29
slash_sigh19:29
slash_also the Dutch government: "not shaking hands does not really do a lot to prevent spread"19:30
slash_wat19:30
slash_this is the worst press conference I've ever seen19:30
Brainstorm🔶 World: +229 cases (now 114024), +102 deaths (now 3994) 🔶 Italy: +97 deaths (now 463) 🔶 France: +203 cases (now 1412) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +4 cases (now 71) 🔸 Alberta, Canada: +3 cases (now 7) 🔸 Ont19:33
slash_"We're not going to cancel any major events, just do not shake hands"19:33
python476slash_: don't say it too loud, Donald may hear you19:33
slash_coronavirus: ded19:33
python476covid is very sociable19:33
python476and sensitive to greetings rejection19:33
slash_*coughs in Dutch*19:34
python476kkkkkkkkkllllllllekkRR19:34
slash_lol19:34
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy cases see largest single-day rise, US airfare drops → https://is.gd/WPl4mu19:34
slash_python476 you seem familiar with the Dutch custom of cursing with diseases19:35
slash_"we're not going to close airports, we're not going to close train stations"19:36
python476slash_: not really, I was mostly extrapolating the few spellings I saw after an amsterdam trip19:36
slash_python476 well translated to English that would mean something like: "this is really delicious, like cancer"19:37
slash_well, not really, as depending on context, cancer would be a positive thing19:38
python476slash_: nice encryption scheme19:38
slash_maybe more like "this is really fucking delicious"19:38
slash_so just as you would not have sex with a delicious sandwhich, Dutch people do not actually thing a delicious sandwhich has cancer19:39
slash_still, our language is really stupid sometimes19:39
python476that's because you spent all your energy on channels19:39
slash_perhaps19:40
slash_I live 2.5m (around 8ft) below sea level, I have an inflatable boat in my attic lol19:42
python476._.19:42
python476i thought my imagination was boundless19:42
python476but then I tried to picture your comment19:42
slash_it's recommended to keep the boat in the attic here, because if the dikes break only my attic will be above water19:43
slash_hmmm, can the coronavirus survive water?19:44
python476slash_: I see, very natural rule in your country19:44
slash_preventive flooding!19:44
slash_python476 haha there is few things natural here, I live on the bottom of the sea, like Spongebob19:45
slash_without the salt water (for now)19:45
Brainstorm🔶 World: +33 cases (now 114057), +1 deaths (now 3995) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +9 cases (now 47) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +4 cases (now 15) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +4 cases (now 71) 🔸 Alberta, Canada: +3 cas19:46
slash_also, no Texan squirrels19:47
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 18:37 UTC: CoronavirusGLOBAL: BREAKING: First Canadian COVID-19 Death Recorded in B.C → https://is.gd/xDOeGk19:48
LjLtwomoons, not great, i bought some groceries, online grocery delivery is... about to stop being a thing, i'm afraid19:50
twomoonswhat did you buy?19:51
LjL%cases italy19:51
BrainstormLjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 9172 cases, 463 deaths (5.0% of cases), 724 recoveries as of Mon Mar  9 19:13:11 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data.19:51
slash_our prime minister: "Do not shake hand!", *shakes hands with almost everyone on stage* sigh19:51
LjLtwomoons, not much, just some things we were missing, vegetables... for now we have a week's worth of stuff, and there *should* be an other delivery this week, but after that, i suspect it's going to be hard to get anything delivered19:51
LjLwait, how is that 5.0%19:52
LjL%wa 463/917219:52
BrainstormLjL, Wolfram|Alpha (463/9172): Decimal approximation: 0.050479720889664195377235063235935455734845180985608373310... → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=463%2F917219:52
twomoonsit's over 5%19:52
LjLoh right, last time i divided by the "active cases" number19:52
twomoonsi bought a lot of eggs ljl but then realized eggs don't represent a lot of calories per unit volume19:52
dunnp5% :/19:52
LjLtwomoons, don't they? i thought they were pretty "concentrated" food19:52
LjLtwomoons, they should be nutricious in terms of proteins and things at least19:53
LjLdunnp, 6% in lombardy19:53
twomoonsactually yeah that's true but i think meat or beef jerky is way better19:53
slash_twomoons: https://thefrugalchicken.com/4-time-tested-techniques-to-preserve-eggs-and-some-19th-century-methods/19:53
skyofdustThey are very very nutritious19:53
twomoonsyeah i'm gonna hard boil them ljl19:53
slash_eggs are very good to have19:53
twomoonsi always wanted to preserve some eggs lol19:53
skyofdustThey won't make you feel full unless you eat a lot of them or are eating them alognside other things19:53
twomoonsi heard albumin may help those with weak livers19:54
skyofdusttwomoons, you can do that by submerging them in oil or salt19:54
twomoonseggs have albumin i believe19:54
twomoonsdoes oil harden the egg white?19:54
slash_this is a good time to research how to preserve different types of food imho19:54
skyofdustI haven't heard of that, but they can keep for very long that way.19:55
skyofdustmore than a year some say19:55
slash_it also depends if the eggs have been chemically washed, if youre in the EU they will not be washed19:55
twomoonsthat's interesting i didn't expect oil to do anything19:55
slash_they will last longer without the washing19:56
skyofdustYeah, when raw shelled eggs are submerged in oil, there's no oxygen that would let bacterial growth permeate the shell.19:56
skyofdust*or salt19:56
twomoonsthere isn't already some bacteria inside it?19:58
skyofdustHmm I think they're closed systems.19:59
CatButtes[m]Quick tip - gone off eggs float. If you aren’t sure about them, pop them in a bowl of cold water and if they sink they are still good19:59
CatButtes[m]I have had eggs that are 4 months old and still good sat next to others that are definitely bad. Float test works wonders20:00
slash_twomoons yes, but the bacteria need oxygen to reproduce, it is important to ensure the shell is protected20:01
dunnpnot anaerobic bacteria slash_ ...20:01
slash_dunnp no, but those aren't present in eggs usually20:02
dunnplike how botulism works20:02
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live at 18:59 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Fuga da Milano destinazione Roma, una ragazza sceglie il taxi e paga 1.200 euro - la Repubblica → https://is.gd/qmrmHa20:02
slash_dunnp never eat an old egg raw of course, no matter how good it looks20:02
skyofdustEgg whites have no nutrition value.20:03
twomoonsi don't eat raw eggs anymore20:03
twomoonsyeah that's true i need the lecithin and all that stuff in the yolk20:04
skyofdustYolks even have retinol <320:04
slash_but if you want eggs long term, get chickens :p20:04
slash_they're quite easy to care for20:04
tinwhiskersskyofdust: egg whites are basically entirely protein. They are nutritious. 20:07
twomoonschickens eat those damn poisonous spiders around here20:07
slash_the bastards will even eat eggs20:07
twomoonsbrown widows are proliferating i could use some chickens20:07
slash_yeah chickens are pretty good to have if you have the space20:08
slash_also a bit of meat long term20:08
skyofdustThey're around 10% protein, the rest is water.20:09
freebobby[m]if you live in the states stinging nettle should be poppin up soon20:10
slash_theyre not ideal for meat if youre keeping them yourselves no20:10
freebobby[m]whole lotta protein20:10
slash_but if you have a large enough area they can often basically take care of their own food requirements and only need minimal feeding, the smaller the area the more additional food is needed ofc20:11
twomoonsi remember when my cousin's chicken died they ate it and it was really quite tasty in a soup20:12
twomoonsyes it's tough but it tasted good20:12
freebobby[m]I got blood poisoning from an undercooked chicked i helped harvest, so please cook well20:12
slash_older meat is good for stew though20:12
Brainstorm🔶 World: +34 cases (now 114091), +2 recoveries (now 62643) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 48) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +4 cases (now 15) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +10 cases (now 77) 🔸 Alberta, Canada:20:13
slash_yeah.. don't eat rare chicken20:14
twomoonsi always cook the hell out of poultry 20:14
slash_cut the meats in half where they are thickest, ensure not even a sign of pink20:15
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:07 UTC: (news): FDA warns televangelist Jim Bakker and six others to stop selling fraudulent coronavirus products → https://is.gd/UDiGfc20:16
slash_you do not want to deal with any food poisoning when hospitals are overrun..20:16
freebobby[m]yeah it was roasted whole and the juice got in a cut on my finger. the next day i had a pink streak running up my arm20:16
twomoonswow scary20:16
freebobby[m]doc said w/o antibiotics i would have died or lost my arm20:16
freebobby[m]yeah blood infection is way serious20:17
tinwhiskersEgg whites are about the most pure form of protein you can find. They are 10% protein (the rest being water) compared to steak at 30% protein. To say egg whites have no nutritional value is simply incorrect.20:17
slash_damn20:17
slash_I have a friend who is very clumsy, keeps cutting herself and getting infections too often that need treatment.. I worry about her :S20:18
slash_like 2-3 times a year she has something like this20:18
twomoonsshe needs to put betadine on the cut immediately20:19
twomoonsand let it soak in20:19
CatButtes[m]Might be an idea to not let her near sharp things for a couple of months20:19
slash_yeah she has got some cleaning stuff now20:19
slash_and I got her to buy one of those "cut-proof" gloves lol20:19
skyofdustYeah I was just gonna say that20:19
slash_I just cringe everytime I see her trying to cut something20:20
CatButtes[m]Does she keep her knives sharp?20:20
CatButtes[m]If she has blunt knives she is setting herself up to get cut20:20
CatButtes[m]Blunt knives need more force to cut and will slip out of your control more easily20:21
CatButtes[m]And will give nastier cuts.20:21
slash_not sure, the last one was from some sort of vegetable cutting thingy20:21
CatButtes[m]Mandolin?20:21
CatButtes[m]Those things are fucking lethal20:21
CatButtes[m]I have had the tip of my finger and the tip of my knuckle off on ours20:22
CatButtes[m]On 2 different occasions20:22
slash_donno, it's one of those things where the blade is on the bottom, and you slice a piece of vegetable over it20:22
slash_to get thin strips, not sure how it is called20:22
CatButtes[m]Yup. That’s the bastard20:22
slash_just today she sent me a picture "I did it again" with her hands in wraps after visiting the doctor20:23
CatButtes[m]Use the hand guard that they usually come with and don’t let it out of your sight while washing up20:23
CatButtes[m]Christ. She really is bad isn’t she!20:23
slash_good got she is so bad at putting her hand/fingers NOT in the way of the blade ffs20:24
slash_god*20:24
slash_it is a miracle she still has 10 fingers lmao20:24
slash_but CatButtes[m] you are right about using sharp knives20:25
slash_a good sharp knife is wonderful as it means you do not need to apply much pressure20:26
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:21 UTC: Bargain airfares not enough to entice travelers 'fearful at any price' amid coronavirus: Coronavirus is softening air travel demand and bargains aren't enough to shield airlines from a rough quarter as many travelers stay home. → https://is.gd/OjZZ7L20:29
slash_This was the timeline for her today (warning, blood): https://i.imgur.com/CkIFGwB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/A4UpsEB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MhHdVZb.jpg20:30
azythats probably the right thing to do or whatever20:32
azybut i'd go with the duct tape option20:32
slash_I prefer to just not cut myself with kitchen utensils in the first place20:33
slash_but, I just get really annoyed when I see people using knives and such in terrible ways20:36
slash_like, how hard is to not put finger where the blade is going to be??20:37
Tobi[m]If a person has had COVID-19 and got cured, is the person immune to it? I thought I’ve read that one man got infected for a second time.20:40
slash_Tobi[m] most likely yes. But, there is a study that states there are two strains of the virus, and getting one does not mean immunity to the other20:41
azythey're not like us overly paranoid. i cant use those machines without getting an uncomfortable feeling20:41
slash_Tobi[m] but this is all very speculative20:42
tinwhiskersTobi[m]: overwhelmingly people will be immune20:42
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:41 UTC: NYC Mayor urges New Yorkers to work from home, get mental health counseling: New York Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday urged people to work from home as the deadly coronavirus continues to spread and the number of confirmed cases rises in the United States. → https://is.gd/H2EFBh20:43
Tobi[m]Yeah because if one becomes immune to the virus, it should be that hard to extract a vaccine. But that isn’t the case now, so there are probably some more difficulties20:43
slash_Tobi[m] today they announced that they isolated antibodies for the virus, this will greatly help in producing cures and a vaccine20:44
slash_so people are definately gaining immunity20:44
Tobi[m]Yeah sounds good20:44
slash_hopefully they can produce effective antivirals soon20:46
slash_but, it is important to distinguish between vaccine and remedy. A vaccine will almost always only work BEFORE you are infected, to build immune protection, whil an antiviral remedy can reduce the spread of a virus20:48
slash_a vaccine will not work well for those already infected basically20:49
slash_is there any news from Spain btw? they reported 428 cases today...20:56
slash_it looks like Spain will become just as bad, if not worse, than Italy atm20:56
tinwhiskersInterestingly South Korea is tapering off now21:00
slash_yeah, they're seriously doing an amazing job tbh, they've tested like 150k people so far21:01
slash_and it does look like they are now getting the epidemic under control21:02
romarethe fact that we didn't report any cases here in Turkey freaks me out21:04
mnutest21:04
mnuI just need to vent quickly then I'll go back to lurking21:05
slash_romare I've talked about this earlier, but yes it seems very unlikely there are no cases in Turkey. Istanbul alone is HUGE travel hub for so many nations...21:05
romareyeah I live in istanbul and I'm a bit scared21:06
mnuJust decided that I should not travel from the UK to France to visit my Grandmother. I was going down to help out with some gardening and tree work. I was really looking forward to seeing her. But have come to the conclusion that this wouldn't be sensible21:06
mnuI hate feeling like I've bought into the hype, but I do think it was the right thing to do21:06
mnuI'm sad and agry21:07
mnus/agry/angry/21:07
Brainstormmnu meant to say: I'm sad and angry21:07
mnuok vent over21:07
mnusorry21:07
slash_romare if you are not elderly or have an underlying health condition, do not be worried for yourself though21:07
romaremnu: it looks like the right decision. don't be sad.21:08
tinwhiskersmnu: no worries. it's not hype. you're doing the right thing by not contributing to the spread of the disease. 21:08
mnuThank you. I suppose it's a tough pill to swallow as well as I'm now forced to recognise that this isn't a far away news story21:09
mnuand it's actually a serious matter that is impacting my life21:09
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:00 UTC: NYC mayor, officials urge New Yorkers to work from home, get mental health counseling amid coronavirus outbreak: New York Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday urged people to work from home as the deadly coronavirus continues to spread and the number of confirmed cases rises in the United States. → https://is.gd/H2EFBh21:10
slash_mnu it sucks, but you're right to not want to expose your grandmother to this risk21:10
slash_mnu you're a good person :)21:10
slash_mnu I get it.. people might not understand as they don't think this this virus is serious... but it's better to be a "jerk" now if it means protecting her imho21:13
Brainstorm🔶 World: +31 cases (now 114122), +1 deaths (now 3996) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 48) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +4 cases (now 15) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Canada: +10 cases (now 77), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Al21:20
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus-stricken Princess Cruises ship moves to Port of Oakland in California, thousands prepare to disembark → https://is.gd/9ddhne21:24
tinwhiskersLjL: you about?21:28
LjLbreaking edition of the news in italy, PM Conte about to speak21:32
LjLprobably going to extend quarantine to the entire country21:32
tinwhiskersThat's good21:33
tinwhiskersLjL: is this correct? totale_attualmente_positivi (confirmed), dimessi_guariti (recovered), deceduti (deaths)?21:33
Abandonedso any idea if the corona will weaken or die away when it gets hotter? Is this virus seasonal or still unknown?21:34
ubLIXstill unknown21:34
LjLtinwhiskers, no, totale_attualmente_positivi is people currently positive, excluding now-negative cases21:34
ubLIX(I believe)21:34
LjLAbandoned, it probably isn't21:34
Abandonedif it doesnt and no cure/vaccine it's recession time21:34
LjLyou seriously think it may NOT be recession time anyhow?21:34
slash_LjL do you have a livestream link for this?21:34
LjLhow... well, it matches the denial many countries are still having21:35
LjLslash_, no, RAI is geoblocked within italy21:35
Abandonedno it is anyway, but withou it this good times could be prolonged a bit21:35
LjLbut look for "RAI News"21:35
LjLor "RAI World"21:35
LjLthey may be broadcasting it21:35
LjLnot sure21:35
slash_LjL alright, keep us updated if you can :)21:35
LjLi'm watching this on RAI121:35
tinwhiskersLjL: Ah. could you give me the columns names that apply for Confirmed, Deaths and recovered from https://github.com/pcm-dpc/COVID-19/blob/master/dati-regioni/dpc-covid19-ita-regioni.csv21:35
LjLbut RAI1 is probably not visible abroad21:35
LjLtinwhiskers, totale_casi should be confirmed21:36
LjLPM speaking21:36
tinwhiskersOk. Ta21:36
LjLhe understands the feelings of being restricted blah blah21:36
LjLour habits will reasonably be modified and adapted to the new requirements21:37
LjLbut there is no time now21:37
LjLnumbers tell us we're having a huge growth of contagion, and deaths21:37
LjLso our habits must change21:37
LjLnow21:37
LjLwe must all renounce something for the good of italy blah blah21:38
LjLand we'll only succeed if we all cooperate and adapt to new norms21:38
LjLhence i decided to adopt more stringent measures21:38
LjL(TELL US ALREADY)21:38
LjLso i'm about to sign a law that we can dub "I stay home"21:39
LjLthere will be no more different areas of the peninsula21:39
LjLthere will be italy as one "protected zone"21:39
contingoso it's as you predicted?21:39
LjLso we will all have to avoid any movement, unless motivated by specific circumstances21:39
LjLfor work, necessity, or health21:39
LjLwe also add21:39
LjLa ban on public meetings in public21:40
LjL(this is not about assemblies, it's about pubs and clubs)21:40
LjLwe can no longer afford these socialization habits that become a source of contagion21:40
LjLi am aware of the gravity of taking these decisions, but i must protect all of us and especially the more fragile and vulnerable21:40
LjLwe live in a system where we guarantee health for everyone21:41
LjLwe cannot afford to lower our guard, today we are responsible blah blah21:41
LjLwords about doctors risking their health to help others21:41
LjLthe right decision today is to stay home21:41
LjL↑ may have the live stream21:42
LjLalso all sports activities are suspended21:43
LjLnow, question:21:43
LjLdo these rules start from now, is there a date? have they been concerted with the regional governments? with the president of the republic?21:43
LjLanswer: these measures are in the decree i'm about to sign, it will be in the gazzetta ufficiale tonight, and they become law tomorrow morning21:43
LjLthe procedures were followed, the minister of health was heard, there was a video conference with the civil protection21:44
LjLthe regional governors also agreed on extending a single regimen to the whole peninsula21:44
LjLof course i also informed the president of the republic21:45
LjLquestion: does the mechanism for moving around remain based on "self-certification", which was criticized?21:45
LjLsecond, what about public transport?21:45
LjLthird, will the €7billion allocated to health be increased?21:45
LjLanswer: about movement, the mode remains that of self-certification21:46
LjLi want to remind that declarations in self-certification must be truthful, or else, one will be guilty of a further crime21:46
LjLabout transport, no, there is no limitation of public transport21:46
LjLbecause we need to guarantee the stability of production, we must allow people to go to work21:47
LjLabout money, we are allocating €7.5b in agreement with the EU21:47
LjLnow we are considering a higher request, but it is not yet decided21:47
LjLquestion: inaudible21:48
LjLanswer: about duration, since we're extending the regimen to all province, we automatically suspend teaching activities, in schools and university, until at least april 3, country-wide21:49
LjLas for the rest, we'll keep flexible and ready to intervene, but for now this is limited to the previously agreed upon duration21:49
LjLquestion: i'd like to know about the vote over deficit, what's the relationship with the opposition? are you all on the same side in this?21:49
LjLyes, this is my wish, since we're introducing measures which are certianly not ordinary. we will have a meeting with opposition forces tomorrow to discuss economy measures21:50
LjLi informed the opposition i was about to make this press conference. we are in contact because we're all on the same boat21:50
LjL--- TV feed broken21:51
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:41 UTC: NYC mayor, officials urge New Yorkers to work from home, get mental health counseling amid coronavirus outbreak: New York Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday urged people to work from home as the deadly coronavirus continues to spread and the number of confirmed cases rises in the United States. → https://is.gd/H2EFBh21:51
slash_thanks again for the updates LjL21:51
contingojeez you could translate for the UN21:51
LjLcontingo, i definitely think sometimes i should have done something with languages instead of computers...21:52
contingomaybe you still could21:53
contingonot right this sec, patently :)21:54
slash_you do seem to have a talent to translate quickly LjL :p21:56
aradeshchina always really impresses me with how quickly they get things done. they have a lot of clever hard working people. i wouldn't be surprised if they suddenly come out with a working vaccine like, really soon or something21:58
aradeshwhile the rest of the planet is in the really early stages of trying to find one21:58
Brainstorm🔶 World: +140 cases (now 114262) 🔶 Spain: +156 cases (now 1229) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 48) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +4 cases (now 15) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Austria: +19 cases (now 131) 🔸 Bahrain: +24 cases (now 109), +8 recoveries (now 22) 🔸 Belarus: +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 5) 🔸 Canada: +10 cases (now 77), +1 deaths 22:00
LjLaradesh, some chinese researchers literally injected themselves with an untested vaccine "to prove fealty to the party"22:02
LjLi'd normally find that just scary, now it's somewhere between scary and potentially useful22:02
CatButtes[m]> aradesh, some chinese researchers literally injected themselves with an untested vaccine "to prove fealty to the party"22:03
CatButtes[m]What the hell? That is kinda horrific that they felt that was needed22:03
BrainstormNew from Reddit WorldNews Live at 20:55 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: BBC News - Italy extends coronavirus measures nationwide https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-51810673https://is.gd/xAHdH322:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:05 UTC: (news): Media companies begin canceling annual ad presentations as coronavirus spreads in New York → https://is.gd/W4QOIY22:18
tinwhiskersWe're most likely at least a year away from having a vaccine22:21
tinwhiskersYou can partially thank the anti-vaxers for that. There's no way we're not completing proper safety tests before rolling it out and have that come back to bite us because of those fuckwits.22:23
slash_1 year would be fast tbh.. we need extensive testing to determine if it is effective and if there are no (even worse than the disease) side effects22:23
LjLi'm sure "proper" safety testing is needed by definition regardless of those people22:25
LjLrisk/benefit needs to be assessed, you can't have a vaccine that kills more than the virus does22:25
slash_on a shorter term, antiviral treatments can buy us more time until the vaccine22:26
slash_but these will also need to be tested22:26
tinwhiskersyes, there may be some reasonable treatments available well before the vaccines are ready22:28
LjLwell they are already being tested, in the sense of HIV antivirals being used compassionately with apparently some success on the most hopeless cases22:28
slash_so far, vitamin C and D supplements seem to at least provide a better immune response to the virus, although the evidence for this has not yet been properly peer-reviewed22:28
tinwhiskersyou can justify testing treatments on people who will otherwise die more easily than vaccines22:28
slash_but, these supplements also boost immune response to many other viruses, so it is not that surprising22:28
slash_it is however NOT a cure22:29
LjLexcess immune response is also responsible for some of the deaths, apparently22:29
LjLalso i think the evidence of them working is mostly *extrapolated* from the fact they kinda work for the common cold or the flu22:29
LjLbut as we know, this is different... it has being a respiratory infection in common, but that's about it22:29
aradeshLjL: they're also rpobably fairly experienced scientists, and suspect that the risk of actually doing serious harm with what's in their vaccine is low22:30
LjLoh a ray of hope22:31
aradeshlol22:31
aradeshi bet trump never washes his hands22:31
aradeshtaking a risk by taking your vaccine before it's been fully tested, is not just showing fealty to your party, it's also like a demonstration of potential sacrifice for your people, or for the human race22:31
slash_LjL vitamine D is supposed to boost the immune system against respiratory illnesses22:31
tinwhiskerslol22:31
aradeshtaking the risk upon yourself for the potential greater good22:32
aradesha very noble thing i think22:32
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:29 UTC: Bargain airfares not enough to entice travelers 'fearful at any price' amid coronavirus: Coronavirus is softening air travel demand and bargains aren't enough to shield airlines from a rough quarter as many travelers stay home. → https://is.gd/OjZZ7L22:32
slash_it looks like one good result of this crisis is the collapse of cheap flying22:34
slash_aside from spreading disease, it is EXTREMELY polluting22:35
slash_I also hope many cruise ship providers will go bankrupt22:35
slash_cruise ships are even worse22:36
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:35 UTC: Watch: Coronavirus task force holds press briefing as US outbreak expands: Members of the task force created to address the deadly coronavirus outbreak are expected to hold a press briefing Monday at the White House. → https://is.gd/5bdgRL22:39
CatButtes[m]Cruise ships are weird. On the surface they are luxury 5 star hotels. Then you look deeper and realise that they are fucking gross because 90% of the passengers don't wash their hands and 50% of them react poorly to being reminded22:39
slash_CutButtes[m] what is insane is that a few hundred cruise ships emit more CO2 and pollution than literally all cars on earth22:41
CatButtes[m]Oh I know!22:42
CatButtes[m]I went on one for my honeymoon. I won't be going on another - as nice as it was, it was horrifying to realise how much pollution it was pumping out22:42
slash_I get the appeal.. but really you can get a similar (imho even better) experience just booking a nice location in the Caribbean or something22:43
slash_it's neat being on a ship22:44
slash_but that's it, everything else is worse22:44
slash_not bad, ofc22:44
slash_but worse than going to a nice beach city in a warm country22:45
slash_the main appeal is probably pricing22:45
slash_which is too low for what kind of pollution these ships cause22:45
LjLthe US is holding a press conference at 18 EST, should be streamed here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du15BUuoBa422:45
slash_18 EST is 22 UTC right?22:47
LjLi believe so22:47
LjL%wa 18 EST in UTC22:48
BrainstormLjL, Wolfram|Alpha (convert 6:00 pm EST | 09. March 2020 to UTC): Result: 10:00:00 pm UTC | Monday, March 9, 2020 → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=18+EST+in+UTC22:48
slash_so in like 12 minutes22:48
LjLcorrect22:48
slash_alright thanks!22:48
LjLit was due to be at 17:30 so they may push it back again i guess22:48
underscore_slash_: I've been taking vitamin A, C and D3 the last couple days22:51
underscore_A and D3 are in a cod liver oil supplement22:51
LjLnot Α, Γ and Δ3?22:51
slash_underscore_ yeah, it doesn't hurt, but it's important to know that this does not mean you are immune or something22:51
underscore_I know22:52
slash_it just boosts the immune system22:52
underscore_LjL: NO!22:52
slash_LjL those are Greek letters, but they mean the same thing afaik :p22:52
underscore_slash_: people use the english letters for vitamins though22:53
slash_D2 and D3 are also both good for vitamin D, although research suggests D3 is more effective generally22:53
LjLunderscore_, you call them "english" i call yours "turkish"22:54
underscore_LjL: θες να σου δώσω βιταμίνες; :ρ22:54
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:49 UTC: It takes an average of 5 days for coronavirus symptoms to show, new study says: Researchers from Johns Hopkins found that 97.5% of people infected with the new coronavirus will show symptoms within 12 days of catching the virus. That's in line with current CDC recommendations that call for patients to remain in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/S0FVbY22:55
slash_LjL you're calling Greek letters Turkish? I hope no Greeks here :O22:55
LjLunderscore_, ο σλας δεν ειναι πολυ sharp or what22:55
tinwhiskersLjL: ok, that Italian regional time-series data is now incorporated into http://offloop.net/covid19/22:56
underscore_LjL: δε ξέρει!22:56
slash_wait, Italians understand Greek alphabet?22:56
LjLunderscore_, also no, send me retro handhelds, least i have something to distract me. i want a Sharp PC-3100 for starters22:56
LjLslash_, unheard of!22:56
LjLtinwhiskers, thank you22:56
tinwhiskersI've still gotta add it into the csv file you get yet22:56
LjL%cases Lombardia22:56
BrainstormLjL: Sorry, Lombardia not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.22:56
LjLah22:57
slash_LjL I have no idea if this is common, I mean your nations do have a shared history22:57
slash_LjL Italy and Greece I mean22:58
LjLslash_, school is arranged differently nowadays, but when i was in school, the two main types of high schools that were meant for people intending to go to university afterwards were liceo classico and liceo scientifico. in the latter you learned only Latin, in the former you learn Latin and Greek22:58
slash_LjL I've had two years of Latin, the only thing I really remember is that domus means house23:01
freebobby[m]tinwhiskers: if you need help setting up TLS Certs on ur webserver lmk23:01
slash_LjL my teachers where really bad though, I also had 3 years of French and I only remember "Tu est une poubelle"23:01
LjLsomeone is speaking in the microphone at the yet-to-begin press conference but i hear nothing in the video23:01
LjLslash_, at least you can use that with python47623:02
LjLit's "es", though23:02
slash_python476 that's not nice it means "you're a trashcan"23:03
LjL"est" is third person. which is handy because it's the same in Latin! so now you know TWO latin words!23:03
slash_yes I was pretty sure "est" was not correct there eheh23:03
slash_mais pourquoi?23:03
ubLIX"The briefing will now begin at 6.30 *groans*"23:03
slash_oh shit, all the French is surfacing now23:04
LjLubLIX, are you actually hearing that on the video i linked? because i hear zilch23:04
ubLIXi heard that but well away from any obvious mic - it might have been a joke23:04
LjLi'm not sure if there's something wrong with my audio or it's the video23:05
ubLIXi am hearing a good volume of general hubbub - definitely a good audio feed here. try reloading?23:06
slash_I am not hearing anything too23:06
ubLIXthy guy with the mic is not saying anything that is in the feed23:06
slash_ubLIX yes a reload gives sound now23:06
slash_can't understand anything though..23:07
slash_it's all gibberish23:07
slash_I mean, it appeared that white heared white guy was saying stuff?23:08
LjLfor me audio stays almost silent after a browser restart23:08
slash_but I could not understand23:08
contingoI'm getting audio23:08
ubLIXthe journalists are just chatting amongst themselves (not miked) - we're not supposed to be hearing it yet23:08
LjLi have some audio, it's just extremely low-volume. if i tell my linux to cram the volume *well above* the theoretical maximum, then i can hear something...23:08
ubLIXi mean, you can hear them chatting, but not intelligibly23:09
contingoit's just a sussurus of journalistic chatter23:09
contingosusurrus*23:09
LjLbut also nearly not at all, and i couldn't hear it when people were actually talking into microphones earlier tierh23:09
contingooh he's saying shit23:09
slash_LjL yes same here on Linux, have to crank it to max, but there is audio, I think this is just very low level background noise that we are hearing23:09
contingowtf is going on23:10
ubLIXcontingo: i think he's doing a soundcheck23:10
LjLwell, FAILED23:10
contingook, with rehearsed copy23:10
ubLIXmaybe *shrugs*23:10
contingo"It wasn't until congressman Gates was onboard the flight that he discovered that..."23:10
slash_it's not a soundcheck? he's telling stuff to the reporters, but it's like his microphon is off23:10
ubLIXhe is repeating himself - seems like soundcheck to me23:10
contingo"In addition to today's briefing we'll also have Wall St execs..." you hearing this? yeah, repeating23:11
slash_something about Trump and the white house23:11
slash_but very low volume23:11
LjLmaybe better here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPKUPB9hV0I23:11
contingoso far the live comments are really pushing zinc23:11
LjLcontingo, the thing that's potentially helpful at 75mg but toxic at 150?23:12
slash_LjL thanks, sounds seems much better in that stream23:12
contingoyes23:12
freebobby[m]the guy standing up beforehand is a reporter23:13
LjLmaybe the virus task force has been hit by the virus23:17
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:15 UTC: Watch: Coronavirus task force holds press briefing as US outbreak expands: Members of the task force created to address the deadly coronavirus outbreak are expected to hold a press briefing Monday at the White House. → https://is.gd/5bdgRL23:17
LjLthe press conference will be delayed by 30 days if they make it23:18
freebobby[m]> Under the decree, all public events will be banned, cinemas, theatres, gyms, discos and pubs closed, and funerals, weddings and sporting events cancelled. All schools and universities will remain closed until 3 April.23:18
freebobby[m]>23:18
freebobby[m]Damn italy is shut tf down23:18
LjLnot shut down enough23:18
freebobby[m]across the whole country23:18
LjLas long as public transport is working and people are going to work, this is going to continue spreading23:18
contingocome on is Pence gonna perorate or aint he23:19
LjLhe may as well wait, i'm watching Montalbano23:19
freebobby[m]this reporter is talking about the president potentially coming in contact w/ corona virus?23:20
LjLi still can't hear a thing but yeah it was reported that he was with him on the AF123:20
freebobby[m]damn thats wild23:21
BrainstormNew from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 22:23 UTC: LEGGE 5 marzo 2020, n.13: Conversione  in  legge,  con  modificazioni,  del  decreto-legge   23febbraio  2020,  n.  6,  recante  misure  urgenti   in   materia   dicontenimento e gestione dell'emergenza  epidemiologica  da  COVID-19.(20G00028) → https://is.gd/pEW9OZ23:25
Brainstorm🔶 World: +40 cases (now 114314) 🔶 Germany: +33 cases (now 1224) 🔸 Norway: +3 cases (now 227) 🔸 Slovenia: +1 cases (now 24) 🔸 Spain: +2 cases (now 1231) 🔸 Sweden: +1 cases (now 261)23:27
freebobby[m]hey this seems promising23:33
freebobby[m]https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ffztou/expert_chloroquine_phosphate_has_a_negative_time/23:33
tinwhiskerscool23:34
tinwhiskersMaybe Germany is doing something like that!?23:34
LjLhe couldn't say "AND THE AMERICAN ECONOMY" any faster23:35
LjL(press conference started)23:35
freebobby[m]lol right23:35
LjLcompanies companies companies23:35
tinwhiskers%data lombardia23:35
Brainstormtinwhiskers: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 4189 cases, 267 deaths (6.4% of cases), 550 recoveries as of Sun Mar  8 01:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data.23:35
slash_the viruses in my blood are multiplying with every word that comes out of Trump's mouth23:36
LjL%compliment tinwhiskers23:36
Brainstormtinwhiskers, A kitten's growl would not come near the plights of your spoken voice. 23:36
tinwhiskerslol23:36
slash_haha23:36
LjL<says things only about companies and industry for ten minutes> but of course first thing we're going to take care of the american public23:37
slash_%compliment winwhiskers23:37
Brainstormwinwhiskers, you're so stimulating that I would like to delight you all with my sanguineness23:37
slash_well that just seems creepy tbh, but ok23:37
slash_it was meant for you winwhiskers, but I am bad a keyboards I think23:38
slash_tinwhiskers*... jesus23:38
tinwhiskersheh23:38
LjLbecause he wins23:38
LjLor he really wins, winamp style23:39
slash_the w is not even near the t on my keyboard23:39
ubLIXcompanies companies companies23:39
LjLso far, WHO press conferences are more significant than this23:39
tinwhiskersLjL: can you tell what time zone the times in that Italian data are from the description on the github page?23:39
ubLIX   companies23:39
ubLIXCEO's23:39
ubLIXcompanies companies23:39
LjLtinwhiskers, CET aka UTC+1 (in winter)23:40
tinwhiskersoh. crud23:40
slash_Good god, please replace Pence with Laurence Fishburne23:42
LjLi'm muting the press confederence, rather keep watching montalbano23:42
LjLlet me know if they quarantine america23:42
freebobby[m]yeah bet23:43
slash_a quarantine in the US is unlikely23:44
slash_too many guns23:44
LjLshoot the virus23:45
freebobby[m]damn reporters are yelling "has the president been tested"23:45
slash_good god23:46
slash_can you imagine if the US would lose Trump now!?23:46
LjLwho's the madman in the UK who's going to fly to Italy now23:46
slash_they'd be stuck with Pence! A much more competent asshole23:47
slash_you want incompetent assholes23:47
ubLIXLjL: i spoke yesterday to a 19 year old who told me he just flew back from a snowboarding holiday in Italy23:47
ubLIX(i excused myself and withdrew)23:48
LjLubLIX, ...23:48
slash_do we need a "hugh a coughing Italian" campaign?23:48
slash_because otherwise we are racist23:49
slash_so much stupidity23:49
LjLubLIX, part of what probably prompted today's actions was that there was apparently a "marketing campaign" (i presume by some skiing resort) catering to youth and being like "you're not going to school because virus? come to us to ski instead! not to lombardy 'cause those guys had to close their resorts, losers!"23:49
LjLslash_, who's even bringing that up?23:49
slash_LjL I was joking, because a while back people where organizing "hug a chinese" things, to show that they are not racist23:50
slash_LjL because people thought: coronavirus=chinese23:50
slash_but it is all stupid, a virus does not care about human concepts about race23:51
slash_it infects and kills all23:51
romareit can't kill the turks!!!23:51
LjLbut it sure as hell can kill the kurds23:52
slash_romare glorious Erdogan will protect all Turks from corona!! 23:53
LjLyou'll see how selective it is23:53
romarelol23:53
freebobby[m]Biji Rojava!23:53
slash_LjL he was (very) sarcastic I think :P23:53
LjLslash_, you don't have to explain greek alphabet jokes to greeks OR sarcasm to, uh, well, me23:54
tinwhiskers%data lombardia23:55
Brainstormtinwhiskers: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 4189 cases, 267 deaths (6.4% of cases), 550 recoveries as of Sun Mar  8 19:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data.23:55
darsie%data vienna23:55
Brainstormdarsie: Sorry, vienna not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.23:55
slash_LjL no, the Dutch Constitution clearly states that I must explain jokes to non-Dutch people23:55
darsie%data austria23:55
Brainstormdarsie: In all areas, Austria, there are 131 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 2 recoveries as of Mon Mar  9 19:33:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria for time series data.23:56
LjLtinwhiskers, are you sure you don't have it the other way around? it shows 19 but since they're released at 18 UTC+1, that's 17 UTC23:56
tinwhiskersmmm23:56
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:54 UTC: Coronavirus response: Trump floats payroll tax cut, other financial relief amid outbreak: President Donald Trump on Monday said he will be meeting with Senate and House Republicans on Tuesday to discuss "a possible tax relief measure" to provide "a timely and effective response to the coronavirus." → https://is.gd/QiAOLN23:56
slash_LjL it is basically the only reason we where allowed to join the EU in the first place, to badly explain jokes23:56
tinwhiskersmeh. They're only updated once every 24 hours anyway. That's closer than it was :-)23:57
LjLslash_, but can you explain the belgians? nobody can explain the belgians23:57
tinwhiskers:-)23:57
LjLtinwhiskers, i'll only allow this as long as you extrapolate from the data a snapshot of what they're going to be the next hour23:58
tinwhiskers:-/23:58
slash_LjL I don't think Belgians can explain why Belgium exists tbh23:58

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