| freebobby[m] | ugh steve munuchin is fucking gross | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| freebobby[m] | oof this is not inspiring confidence | 00:02 |
| slash_ | LjL just be glad that Italy does not have a 4 year election cycle where it takes 2,5+ years to form a government | 00:02 |
| LjL | yeah instead we have a new government every six months on average | 00:03 |
| LjL | fast turnover key to success | 00:03 |
| slash_ | LjL at least you actually have a government, sorry Belgians | 00:03 |
| LjL | they seemed to be doing better than we were when they had no government and we had one, though | 00:04 |
| LjL | maybe we should have a trial on having no governments | 00:04 |
| LjL | or maybe the coronavirus will take care of that for us when it starts hitting MPs | 00:04 |
| slash_ | LjL I suppose it is hard to fuck up when you can't pass laws | 00:04 |
| freebobby[m] | * spray paints a circle A on wall | 00:05 |
| freebobby[m] | * *spray paints a circle A on wall | 00:05 |
| LjL | that's no how you do a /me | 00:05 |
| LjL | not* | 00:05 |
| slash_ | Belgium is so democratic it has 7 governments, with varying sovereignty | 00:07 |
| freebobby[m] | riot has changed in the last 4 yrs | 00:07 |
| tinwhiskers | %data lombardia | 00:08 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 4189 cases, 267 deaths (6.4% of cases), 550 recoveries as of Sun Mar 8 18:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 00:08 |
| slash_ | btw | 00:10 |
| slash_ | it might get interesting when all the old fucks in US congress get this virus | 00:10 |
| slash_ | what happens when they die? | 00:10 |
| slash_ | is there a vice-senator? | 00:11 |
| slash_ | or something | 00:11 |
| ubLIX | devolution to sovereign city states! | 00:12 |
| dunnp | no vice senators | 00:12 |
| dunnp | special elections or the governor assigns one | 00:12 |
| tinwhiskers | Interestingly even Iran is starting to show signs of tapering off, but Italy is only getting worse. | 00:13 |
| slash_ | dunnp alright, and for the lower house? | 00:13 |
| dunnp | same deal | 00:13 |
| dunnp | house might be all special elections with no appointments | 00:14 |
| slash_ | dunnp yeah makes sense | 00:14 |
| dunnp | The Constitution requires that member of the House be replaced only by an election | 00:14 |
| slash_ | dunnp I mean they're old bastards, surely a process is in place when they die | 00:15 |
| slash_ | dunnp so most likely special election when a representative dies? or only after their term ends? | 00:16 |
| tinwhiskers | not a good time for an election | 00:16 |
| dunnp | when they die | 00:16 |
| slash_ | dunnp alright | 00:17 |
| slash_ | dunnp that seems more democratic that our system tbh | 00:19 |
| dunnp | where slash_? | 00:19 |
| slash_ | dunnp here the "follow up" can take their place, no new elections | 00:20 |
| slash_ | dunnp netherlands | 00:20 |
| dunnp | hmm | 00:20 |
| slash_ | but, I suppose in general it is a small issue, not a lot die in office I suppose | 00:20 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, you didn't really need to fix the timezone you know, it was a joke. anyway, do we trust iran's numbers now? | 00:21 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, one thing i've seen about Iran *and a number of other countries* (mainly Asian ones) is many scenes of workers cleaning streets, signs, walls, everything with something sprayed (water, disinfectant, i don't know). it's never been explained to me, despite being shown on TV innumerable times... but those seem to be the countries where things have tapered off, somehow | 00:22 |
| slash_ | dunnp it has not happened in my lifetime afaik, but with this virus a lot of these old people can die | 00:24 |
| slash_ | and be replaced | 00:24 |
| dunnp | happens pretty often here | 00:27 |
| slash_ | dunnp well you have way more representatives | 00:29 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/irans-coronavirus-problem-lot-worse-it-seems/607663/ | 00:29 |
| slash_ | also, they are much older | 00:29 |
| dunnp | we really should have more to make it more representative | 00:29 |
| dunnp | equally | 00:29 |
| dunnp | the wyomingy problem | 00:29 |
| dunnp | wyoming* | 00:29 |
| slash_ | dunnp are you telling me a 75 year old mildly demented white guy does not represent the whole of the United States? | 00:31 |
| dunnp | heh | 00:31 |
| yuriwho | this looks like really good preliminary news http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-02/17/c_138792545.htm | 00:32 |
| LjL | yuriwho, it was posted earlier. chlorequine is a name i've had in mind for a few days... but i guess there was no hard data on how well it worked | 00:34 |
| slash_ | dunnp sorry man, I am not a political scientisit, idk wtf I am talking about or how to solve these issues in the US | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 23:28 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Coronavirus symptoms 'take five days to show' - BBC News → https://is.gd/qN2aNg | 00:35 |
| yuriwho | I expect a preprint in JAMA/NEJM/Lancet or other top medical journal soon | 00:35 |
| slash_ | dunnp all I can say is that from my perspective things do not seem very healthy in the US | 00:35 |
| dunnp | I don't disagree | 00:36 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, some oddity, Italy's deaths numbers was 366 yesterday, then it became 463 today, but went back to 366 now... either we have fonud a VERY effective treatment, or the data are uppity :P | 00:36 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 00:36 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 9172 cases, 366 deaths (4.0% of cases), 724 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 00:25:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 00:36 |
| LjL | cases and recoveries seem rigth | 00:36 |
| slash_ | LjL I've said this before.. but I really hope the EU will create a fund to support the nations hit by this viurs | 00:39 |
| slash_ | virus* | 00:39 |
| dunnp | yuriwho: that would be a strange use for that drug based on mechanism | 00:39 |
| LjL | slash_, government almost makes it sound like a gift that they allow us to miss the budget targets for the year | 00:39 |
| yuriwho | actually there is also good data rationalizing the mechanism | 00:40 |
| LjL | i have some feeds from the EU in my bot in ##EU... maybe i've been distracted, but i don't think i have seen any press release or anything from the EU about this | 00:40 |
| dunnp | yuriwho: link? | 00:40 |
| slash_ | LjL I hate politics for situations like this... | 00:40 |
| slash_ | LjL Italy is taking severe measures to protect themselves, but also the rest of Europe | 00:41 |
| yuriwho | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/06/covid-19-small-molecule-therapies-reviewed | 00:41 |
| dunnp | ty | 00:41 |
| slash_ | LjL I hope the EU can come together and give relief to the nations who do this much | 00:42 |
| slash_ | it is only fair | 00:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:39 UTC: Trump floats payroll tax cut, other financial relief amid coronavirus outbreak: President Donald Trump on Monday said he will be meeting with Senate and House Republicans on Tuesday to discuss "a possible tax relief measure" that would provide "a timely and effective response to the coronavirus." → https://is.gd/QiAOLN | 00:42 |
| LjL | slash_, the measures aren't nearly severe enough, and also, the measures that were taken the other day resulted in a lot of people fleeing Milan, likely to go back to their home towns in other parts of Italy, resulting, most likely, in further spread of the epidemic. and for what? now they're under the same quarantine rules again. | 00:43 |
| yuriwho | so the primary lit ref is: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(06)70361-9/fulltext | 00:43 |
| LjL | and people were ignoring the orders to stay put and partying and stuff... i think many, many people here are being completely irresponsible about this | 00:43 |
| slash_ | LjL well my point was not too judge Italy's response, but just to point out that the whole is in this together | 00:45 |
| slash_ | LjL But | 00:45 |
| LjL | slash_, yes, but i'm wondering if there is a "whole" in the first place, given the tepid EU institutional reaction | 00:45 |
| slash_ | LjL you must point out where your government is failing | 00:45 |
| slash_ | LjL yes, I do not like this either | 00:46 |
| slash_ | LjL the EU is showing no leadership at all atm | 00:47 |
| LjL | i'm afraid this epidemic will bring us back to a state where there's more separation, not more unity | 00:47 |
| LjL | but let it be known that i am consistently a pessimist | 00:47 |
| slash_ | LjL I hope not, but yes, I fear you are right | 00:47 |
| slash_ | LjL it is exactly the time when the EU should operate as one entity, but we are not doing that | 00:48 |
| slash_ | LjL Italy is left to its own devices | 00:49 |
| Birosso | What is causing separation in Italy? | 00:50 |
| freebobby[m] | <LjL "but let it be known that i am co"> ive noticed this quickly lol | 00:50 |
| slash_ | LjL why is there not EU response to this pandemic? | 00:50 |
| LjL | slash_, when China was in trouble, countries sent masks and other medical aids (not truckloads of money, mind, but definitely stuff that was needed) to China. but then they realized that had resulted in *them* lacking them when the problem started hitting here. now they are unlikely to do the same "mistake" with Italy, imo | 00:50 |
| slash_ | LjL yes, Germany and France have blocked exports of masks, also to the Netherlands while we are in dire need | 00:50 |
| Birosso | I don't know about the rest of Europe, but Germany is actually starving for doctors. | 00:50 |
| LjL | what we need now is ventilators. many of them. why is the EU not sending us ventilators? easy, because each country thinks they'll need them. | 00:50 |
| Birosso | I know people from back in Egypt who are now living and working in Germany just because they learned the language. (And have a medical degree from Egypt) | 00:51 |
| Birosso | Is there a shortage of doctors in Italy as well? | 00:51 |
| LjL | yes and no | 00:51 |
| slash_ | LjL that is true.. it seems like once again it is every nation for itself | 00:51 |
| LjL | yes, there is a shortage of doctors who are paid to work as doctors | 00:52 |
| freebobby[m] | i think icu space is the larger concern Birosso | 00:52 |
| LjL | no, there is not a shortage of people with a medical degree | 00:52 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: I see. It's still showing as 463 on the time-series graphs. I must have mucked something up by adding those regions into your data. I'll check it out. | 00:52 |
| slash_ | LjL if we cannot work together properly in a crisis like this, what is even the purpose of the EU? | 00:52 |
| Birosso | LjL: Is it because the average quality of graduates is low? | 00:53 |
| LjL | slash_, i don't know. i've started progressively losing my enthusiasm about the EU long ago... around 2004, when it was expanded, in my opinion, way too much and with way too much deceit in terms of what the people who voted to join in referendums in those countries expected of the EU | 00:53 |
| Birosso | Or lack of positions/jobs or funding to set up practices? | 00:53 |
| LjL | Birosso, lack of money, or rather, progressive removal of money from the healthcare budget | 00:54 |
| Birosso | And where is the money going off to? | 00:54 |
| LjL | Birosso, some would say the EU :P | 00:54 |
| LjL | but not really | 00:55 |
| LjL | we are just in recession since 2008 | 00:55 |
| LjL | much of the rest of the EU kinda sorta steered back towards growth | 00:55 |
| LjL | we didn't | 00:55 |
| Birosso | One thing I like about the current dictatorship in Egypt is that they're not at all afraid to flaunt the money they've been stealing and show what they have been buying with it. | 00:55 |
| slash_ | LjL yeah, same here, the EU expanded way too fast.. | 00:56 |
| tinwhiskers | %data Italy | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, Italy, there are 9172 cases, 463 deaths (5.0% of cases), 724 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 19:13:11 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 00:56 |
| slash_ | LjL but, is my country helping yours now? | 00:57 |
| LjL | slash_, maybe in subtle ways, i wouldn't fully know | 00:57 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers is helping my country | 00:58 |
| LjL | %pizza tinwhiskers | 00:58 |
| LjL | sorry about the offal but it's a local thing y'know, we'd be offended if you refused | 00:58 |
| contingo | OK | 00:59 |
| slash_ | LjL well afaik we are not helping Italy at all | 00:59 |
| Birosso | Off, that made me hungry. | 00:59 |
| contingo | what am I doing | 00:59 |
| contingo | there's too many microdecisions to be made | 00:59 |
| Birosso | contingo: What ARE you doing? | 00:59 |
| contingo | idk | 00:59 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: each time it gathers data it starts from the base John Hopkins daily data, then goes around the other sources looking for more recent data. It must have failed to find anything higher than 366 when it went around that time due to one of the servers not responding. | 00:59 |
| contingo | I need a strong authoritarian government to decide for me | 00:59 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yeah i thought it was probably hopping through sources | 00:59 |
| slash_ | LjL maybe throught some legally mandated EU programs, but we do nothing additionally of our own free will | 01:00 |
| LjL | contingo, i'll give you iran's government if you give me a decision on whether to buy a dodgy oxygen machine | 01:00 |
| contingo | I can't resolve that one for you, I can't even decide what country to base myself in | 01:00 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: I could make it not allow any numbers lower than it's own previous scan, but that wouldn't allow for legitimate corrections to the data. | 01:00 |
| LjL | slash_, let's be fair though, in italy we're all scared (except for the idiots who keep partying) and focused on our numbers, and barely even talking about what the EU is or is not doing. meanwhile, France, Germany, Spain and so on, if they aren't stupid, are probably also looking at their data with very worried faces. it's kind of natural. | 01:01 |
| tinwhiskers | tricky | 01:01 |
| darsie | %data austria | 01:01 |
| Brainstorm | darsie: In all areas, Austria, there are 131 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 2 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 19:33:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria for time series data. | 01:01 |
| slash_ | LjL I suppose you are correct, we are fearful for our own nations atm | 01:02 |
| Birosso | slash_: If I may ask, what is your nation? | 01:02 |
| slash_ | LjL but this is going to affect the whole of the EU, we should have an EU responsive for this | 01:03 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, maybe you could remember the previous number and just reject "new" data if it suspiciously happens to match the previous number... but maybe it's a bit overkill and you can just ignore this | 01:03 |
| Birosso | On a somewhat unrelated note: The German minister of health's Twitter page is being bombarded by school students demanding that all schools be closed because of the virus. | 01:03 |
| Birosso | It's hilarious. | 01:03 |
| slash_ | I am from the Netherlands Birosso | 01:03 |
| Birosso | To be fair, he did make a statement saying he trusted the general public to "act responsibly." | 01:04 |
| Birosso | It has left people a bit confused on some matters. | 01:04 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yes, but say JH put an erroneous number in their data and then later corrected it downwards my end would ignore the correction and stick with the incorrect but higher number. | 01:04 |
| slash_ | Birosso the only thing that will make the public "act responsibly" is fines and punishment tbh lol | 01:05 |
| tinwhiskers | I could make it that if it fails to get data from any source then it will stick to its old number if they are higher. | 01:05 |
| tinwhiskers | that'll fix it. I'll do that. | 01:05 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, that sounds reasonable assuming failures to respond are uncommon | 01:05 |
| Spec | “Good for the consumer, gasoline prices coming down!” | 01:07 |
| Birosso | slash_, I agree. I find it disconcerting that the minister of health said something like that. | 01:07 |
| Birosso | People demanded that action be taken. That was the gist of his response. | 01:08 |
| LjL | Birosso, it's the gist of our government's response too. "you may be fined if you transgress the quarantine, but we all know that's unlikely to happen, so please just don't do it out of your staunchly italian sense of responsibility" | 01:09 |
| Birosso | It's one thing to say there is no cause for alarm/need for action as things currently stand, but to say that the situation is potentially dangerous and that you intend to depend on the average citizen knowing what to do... | 01:09 |
| LjL | well, both things seem silly and wrong | 01:09 |
| LjL | so they have that in common | 01:09 |
| RougeR | LjL, welp | 01:12 |
| RougeR | hows it goiiing | 01:12 |
| LjL | Birosso, hearsay currently is that in Rome and Naples, people are currently queuing in front of 24h supermarkets, before tomorrow's restrictions begin | 01:13 |
| LjL | even though there is no notion of those restrictions including availability of food | 01:13 |
| LjL | so people are just stupid | 01:13 |
| LjL | RougeR, the above may give you clues | 01:13 |
| LjL | not so well | 01:13 |
| Birosso | Well, in the former case you can claim that you are monitoring the situation closely and can decide when drastic action is necessary. That's more acceptable considering the general public doesn't have access to the data that you and the ministry have. | 01:13 |
| RougeR | aye | 01:13 |
| Birosso | So that's *more* acceptable than the latter case. | 01:13 |
| RougeR | what was italys case number 2 weeks ago?> | 01:14 |
| contingo | RougeR how's your pal in the hotel | 01:14 |
| LjL | RougeR, something like 300 | 01:14 |
| RougeR | contingo, back in london | 01:14 |
| RougeR | 2 negative tests | 01:14 |
| contingo | ah good to hear | 01:14 |
| RougeR | still gotta quarantine for 14 days | 01:15 |
| contingo | he can get it later on with the rest of us | 01:15 |
| RougeR | kinda pointless considering he had a public flight n tube journey home | 01:15 |
| RougeR | aye | 01:15 |
| RougeR | ONE OF US | 01:15 |
| RougeR | im waiting for china to be the early recovery (full on) | 01:15 |
| RougeR | and then become no.1 global superpower | 01:15 |
| RougeR | this is it | 01:15 |
| RougeR | LjL, | 01:16 |
| RougeR | yep | 01:16 |
| RougeR | my parent still want to go to france in like a week | 01:17 |
| RougeR | i mean its ferry and camepervan | 01:17 |
| RougeR | and staying on farm | 01:17 |
| RougeR | eh w/e ill just have the house to myself | 01:17 |
| RougeR | self isolation with a huge field and 4 floors | 01:17 |
| RougeR | huehuheu | 01:18 |
| RougeR | the people here still dont think it will happen in uk or france | 01:18 |
| RougeR | france/uk have exactly the same growth | 01:18 |
| RougeR | they are just 1-2 weeks behind | 01:19 |
| contingo | we'll probably catch up faster because our governments will do less, more slowly | 01:20 |
| python476 | Italy is extending its coronavirus quarantine measures to the entire country (bbc.com) | 01:20 |
| python476 | fun | 01:21 |
| LjL | they announnce plans to combat... coronavirus fake news? | 01:21 |
| LjL | not coronavirus? | 01:21 |
| LjL | python476, you're about several hours late to the party, i insta-translated the whole PM speech | 01:21 |
| python476 | LjL oh that's what you were writing | 01:22 |
| python476 | I thought you were having a deep chat with contingo or something | 01:22 |
| RougeR | LjL, obviously "fake news" fucks us all | 01:22 |
| RougeR | but anyone who believes it deserves a corona award | 01:22 |
| python476 | LjL: sorry I was real busy | 01:22 |
| RougeR | wah | 01:23 |
| RougeR | part of me wants to fuyck off back to bristol | 01:23 |
| RougeR | least i could just stock up on weed | 01:23 |
| RougeR | LjL, | 01:24 |
| RougeR | 0 confirmed cases in my country ;) | 01:24 |
| RougeR | technically | 01:24 |
| python476 | population: 1 | 01:24 |
| RougeR | nah | 01:25 |
| RougeR | 100k | 01:25 |
| LjL | no i believe that's tinwhiskers's country | 01:25 |
| RougeR | LjL, nope | 01:25 |
| RougeR | zero | 01:25 |
| RougeR | i live in jersey atm | 01:25 |
| RougeR | we are an island state with out own government | 01:25 |
| LjL | or at least the queen likes you to believe that | 01:25 |
| RougeR | ahahaha | 01:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:16 UTC: It takes an average of 5 days for coronavirus symptoms to show, new study says: Researchers from Johns Hopkins found that 97.5% of people infected with the new coronavirus will show symptoms within 12 days of catching the virus. That's in line with current CDC recommendations that call for patients to remain in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/S0FVbY | 01:25 |
| RougeR | guensey has it! | 01:25 |
| RougeR | https://www.itv.com/news/channel/2020-03-09/first-case-of-coronavirus-confirmed-in-the-channel-islands/ | 01:25 |
| RougeR | not stronk jersey | 01:26 |
| RougeR | LjL, i do wonder if we go full pandemic if UK gov step in | 01:26 |
| RougeR | technically they are responsible for defense | 01:26 |
| LjL | probably better off if they don't | 01:26 |
| RougeR | aye | 01:26 |
| LjL | but if they do i'm sure they will combat coronavirus fake news until the very last one of them has fallen | 01:26 |
| RougeR | "'The Bailiwick is extremely well prepared and used to managing infections and we are already working rapidly to identify any contacts to contain any further spread." | 01:27 |
| RougeR | HAHAHAHAHAHA | 01:27 |
| RougeR | the channel islands fucking shut down with a light snow | 01:27 |
| RougeR | they spent 5 years trying to decide on a site for a new hospital | 01:27 |
| RougeR | china built one in 2 weeks | 01:27 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +27 cases (now 114341), +1162 recoveries (now 63805) 🔶 Mainland China: +14 cases (now 80753), +1156 recoveries (now 59898) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Egypt: +4 cases (now 59) 🔸 Iraq: +6 recoveries (now 9) 🔸 Chongqing, Mainland China: +7 recoveries (now 542) 🔸 Heilongjiang, Mainland China: +4 recoveries (now 434) 🔸 Liaoning, Mainland China: +1 recoveries (now 110) | 01:28 |
| contingo | that's why I liked holidays there. always got extended for days due to fog or high seas | 01:28 |
| RougeR | aye, wwe have had many days of storms this year | 01:29 |
| LjL | contingo, i'd always root for snow on the day we had to come back from the mountains | 01:30 |
| LjL | but that was back when we had snow | 01:30 |
| RougeR | LjL, i get so pissed off at the "clean your hands" shite | 01:32 |
| RougeR | yeah i'll just cart around a kitchen sink through town, in my car, at work | 01:33 |
| RougeR | alcohol based is so much more plausible | 01:33 |
| LjL | uh well they do tell you to clean your hands, not necessarily wash them | 01:35 |
| Birosso | LjL: This winter I am filled with smug satisfaction at the disappointment of most people around me at the lack of snow. | 01:35 |
| Birosso | It's a very intense Schadenfreude. | 01:35 |
| RougeR | LjL, what do you mean | 01:35 |
| LjL | but washing them is preferrable when possible, mainly because hand sanitizer has become so valuable... | 01:35 |
| RougeR | LjL, you mean impossible to buy due to stockpiling | 01:35 |
| RougeR | most people dont need it unless coming into contact with the vulnerable | 01:36 |
| LjL | most people don't need... hand sanitizer? is that what they're telling you now? | 01:36 |
| RougeR | LjL, no im saying | 01:36 |
| RougeR | most people are not going to die from this and are not going to spend lots of time around the vulnerable | 01:36 |
| LjL | what will the WHO say next, that the threat of pandemic is "now almost completely definitely real"? | 01:37 |
| RougeR | those who are should have priority | 01:37 |
| LjL | RougeR, anyway, hand sanitizer can be made at home. i've tried and failed, but it *should* be easy. | 01:37 |
| RougeR | LjL, they are already saying hand sanitizer is not as good as hand washing and you dont neeeeeeeeeeed it | 01:37 |
| RougeR | LjL, should be | 01:37 |
| RougeR | if i could access rubbing alcohol... | 01:37 |
| RougeR | which no where has stock off and because its a flammable material i cant order overseas | 01:38 |
| LjL | RougeR, it is not as good as hand washing for some purposes, but for cleaning off viruses, it's pretty good, also, as you said, you can't carry a sink with you, and that's when you're supposed to use hand sanitizer, not when you're at home | 01:38 |
| RougeR | i agree | 01:38 |
| RougeR | which is why it annoys me. when they keep pushing us to wash our hands.. | 01:38 |
| RougeR | and im around my dad who has no immune system | 01:38 |
| RougeR | and he cant get any | 01:39 |
| LjL | RougeR, well, here the hand sanitizer problem hasn't been so terrible. it's quite bad, mind, but pharmacies started making their own, they should be able to find enough alcohol and water | 01:39 |
| RougeR | hmm they have not started here | 01:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 19 new cases, Italy locks down entire country → https://is.gd/pGAqjy | 01:39 |
| RougeR | im suprised places havnt | 01:39 |
| RougeR | lol Brainstorm | 01:39 |
| LjL | maybe being such a small island does have its cons | 01:39 |
| RougeR | aye, many | 01:39 |
| RougeR | i dont like living here tbh, was just back for few months | 01:40 |
| LjL | i'm sorry about your dad. my sister is taking immunosuppressants so we're quite worried for her | 01:40 |
| RougeR | Im sorry for her too :l | 01:40 |
| RougeR | i have seen some signs (and it may be bro-science) of them being used to treat | 01:40 |
| LjL | RougeR, it's all pretty confusing... too little immune system is bad, too much immune system is bad. but at least, yeah, i can be like, "we don't really know so let's stop fretting so damned much" | 01:41 |
| RougeR | LjL, yeah thats what im seeing as well | 01:41 |
| RougeR | and its not simple. one biologic might help, another hiunder | 01:42 |
| RougeR | hinde | 01:42 |
| RougeR | LjL, | 01:43 |
| RougeR | what does your sister take? | 01:43 |
| LjL | cyclosporin | 01:43 |
| RougeR | my dad is on azathioprine, my mum keeps insisting he is not at more risk | 01:43 |
| RougeR | and they "arnt going to stop living their lives" | 01:43 |
| RougeR | ahh l | 01:43 |
| RougeR | kk | 01:43 |
| LjL | well, our emergency law explicitly states people who are immunosuppressed should stay at home as much as possible | 01:43 |
| LjL | now we know politicians make pretty bad doctors | 01:44 |
| LjL | but fwiw | 01:44 |
| RougeR | yeah | 01:44 |
| RougeR | :l | 01:44 |
| LjL | the "aren't going to stop living their lives" denial is something i hear so often too | 01:44 |
| RougeR | LjL, i agree | 01:44 |
| RougeR | fucxking ugh | 01:44 |
| LjL | especially from my parents, even now, even after they realized i was right ages ago when i was telling them we'd end up where we are now | 01:44 |
| LjL | well, not ages ago, weeks ago | 01:44 |
| LjL | but i could see it, they couldn't, and eventually they realized it | 01:45 |
| RougeR | im not even being like, just stop going out | 01:45 |
| RougeR | but i quit my job working part time at a bar | 01:45 |
| LjL | but *still* if i tell them *now* we need *further* restriction, then the "we can't stop living!" refrain starts again | 01:45 |
| RougeR | cause lol serving drinks, serving food n clearing plates | 01:45 |
| LjL | RougeR, at least you had access to alcohol thoguh | 01:45 |
| RougeR | true | 01:45 |
| RougeR | LjL, lol this place is full of alcoholics | 01:45 |
| RougeR | thatll be the real killer | 01:45 |
| RougeR | youll see people shaking in the street from DTs haha | 01:46 |
| contingo | LjL have you read up on cyclosporin coronavirus-specific stuff | 01:46 |
| RougeR | LjL, but yeah, idk if thery should go to france | 01:46 |
| RougeR | ive said for them to decide the day before | 01:47 |
| RougeR | its a ferry + a campervan | 01:47 |
| RougeR | so relatively low risk infection wise, but potential risk of getting locked down | 01:47 |
| RougeR | wouldnt be end of the world, they could stay with my uncle on his farm | 01:47 |
| RougeR | so yeah i guess, eh | 01:47 |
| contingo | he farms too? | 01:48 |
| contingo | whereabouts in France | 01:48 |
| LjL | contingo, no, kind of assumed there wouldn't be any tbh | 01:50 |
| contingo | it had been proposed as a potential treatment for SARS via two different mechanisms | 01:50 |
| contingo | with some research done | 01:50 |
| contingo | can't find anything covid-19-specific | 01:51 |
| RougeR | contingo, oh it aint active | 01:51 |
| RougeR | its an old farm | 01:51 |
| RougeR | orchards n some pigs | 01:51 |
| contingo | LjL some info suggesting it inhibits coronavirus replication, and also inhibits the cytokine death spiral immune over-response thing | 01:52 |
| RougeR | contingo, its maybe 30 miles east of bordeaux | 01:52 |
| LjL | contingo, the most dangerous thing about my sister taking it, at the moment, is that... tomorrow... she's supposed to go to the hospital that's treating her and see her doctor. that hospital almost certainly has COVID-19 patients. other hospitals have suspended all ambulatory visits, but somehow that one hasn't. she wants to go anyway. | 01:52 |
| RougeR | LjL, whats the appt for? | 01:53 |
| contingo | oh, nice, I also have family a bit further east of Bordeaux... east of Libourne | 01:53 |
| LjL | contingo, i'll let my parents know, it makes *me* at least a bit distressed about her taking it | 01:53 |
| RougeR | ahh nice, i dont actually know that region | 01:53 |
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| RougeR | never visited, i was meant to be going soon | 01:53 |
| LjL | RougeR, just as a checkup on how the cyclosporin is working, and any adjustments or taper offs, i think. something she could be doing over the phone, IMO, if the hospital simply allowed it. | 01:53 |
| LjL | she's taking the thing for atopic dermatitis, so it's not necessarily a lifelong treatment | 01:53 |
| RougeR | contingo, ive seen that too | 01:53 |
| RougeR | LjL, yeah it sounds like it | 01:54 |
| RougeR | wha | 01:54 |
| RougeR | id get off it | 01:54 |
| RougeR | i mean i dont know her | 01:54 |
| RougeR | but doesnt seem worth risk | 01:54 |
| RougeR | my dads got ulcerative colitus, shits blood | 01:54 |
| LjL | RougeR, she looked *bad*. like she had burns all over her skin. she looks a lot better now. | 01:54 |
| RougeR | :L | 01:54 |
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| RougeR | fair enough, sounds bad | 01:54 |
| RougeR | i have eczma, i cant imagine how much more that hurtsd | 01:55 |
| LjL | she had to take leave from work because she was just spending the day scratching herself, couldn't focus on anything. she actually refused to take the thing initially, thinking it was dangerous, and resorted to "natural" treatments... | 01:55 |
| RougeR | :l | 01:55 |
| LjL | when those didn't work, she started taking the cyclosporin, just as the COVID-19 thing emerged. | 01:55 |
| LjL | perfect timing | 01:55 |
| RougeR | ahh fucker | 01:55 |
| LjL | but then again, maybe it really *is* perfect timing if this thing can treat COVID-19 as it can seemingly treat SARS | 01:56 |
| RougeR | yeah im not bnanking on it, but ive seen similar | 01:56 |
| LjL | her white blood cell count was okay when she checked, so that's good i guess | 01:56 |
| RougeR | yeah my dads was mena be too | 01:57 |
| RougeR | i just ughh i hate how my parents try to lie to me | 01:57 |
| RougeR | "doctor said he wasnt going to be more at risk" | 01:57 |
| RougeR | no. | 01:57 |
| RougeR | you mean "he isnt more likely to catch it" | 01:58 |
| LjL | yeah, slight difference there | 01:58 |
| RougeR | but is more likely to have worse symptoms | 01:58 |
| RougeR | yeah | 01:58 |
| RougeR | they tried to make out i was being silly or some shit | 01:58 |
| RougeR | i think they are trying to make me feel better | 01:58 |
| RougeR | but i dont feel *that* bad, i feel better if they take it with the correct amount of respect | 01:58 |
| RougeR | my mother is one of those eternal stubborn optimists | 01:59 |
| RougeR | i sent her some exponential math to sober her up | 01:59 |
| RougeR | LjL, translation? | 02:00 |
| RougeR | https://lab.gedidigital.it/gedi-visual/2020/coronavirus-i-contagi-in-italia/ | 02:00 |
| RougeR | 50% in hospital? | 02:00 |
| LjL | RougeR, not sure where you're seeing that 50% figure but... yeah, i believe so | 02:01 |
| RougeR | https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ffymiw/italy_now_9172_infected_and_463_dead_733_serious/ | 02:01 |
| RougeR | top comment | 02:01 |
| RougeR | but i cant read italian | 02:01 |
| python476 | soon italians wont be able to read italian either | 02:02 |
| RougeR | huehue | 02:02 |
| RougeR | sooo | 02:02 |
| RougeR | what i want to know | 02:02 |
| RougeR | what is the fatality rate without treatment | 02:02 |
| python476 | I think we should all draw a red cross on ever door | 02:02 |
| python476 | and call allc ountries big hospitals | 02:02 |
| LjL | RougeR, pretty much every "standard" figure of this disease is doubled in italy, and even worse in lombardy | 02:02 |
| LjL | there *is* an explanation we're being given by the media | 02:02 |
| LjL | but i'm not sure how fully i believe it | 02:02 |
| RougeR | whats explanation | 02:02 |
| RougeR | honestly we dont see much about italy here | 02:02 |
| RougeR | other than infected bnad | 02:03 |
| LjL | which is that italy has decided early on to only test symptomatic cases, so they don't swab asymptomatics | 02:03 |
| RougeR | bad | 02:03 |
| RougeR | but if you are asymptomatic.... | 02:03 |
| LjL | that makes the numbers artificially look bad | 02:03 |
| RougeR | you dont have it | 02:03 |
| python476 | a doctor in bergamo wrote a thing on reddit | 02:03 |
| LjL | that's not true | 02:03 |
| RougeR | well | 02:03 |
| RougeR | they wont know | 02:03 |
| python476 | apparently they anticipated | 02:03 |
| tinwhiskers | mmm. Other places are doing that too. | 02:03 |
| python476 | hopefully it will be enough | 02:03 |
| LjL | if you are asymptomatic you 1) may go on to develop symptoms, 2) may infect others | 02:03 |
| RougeR | right... | 02:03 |
| python476 | made me want to go help hospitals | 02:03 |
| RougeR | soo....italy has more cases | 02:03 |
| RougeR | but a lower death rate?> | 02:03 |
| LjL | RougeR, if you are asymptomatic, you are usually swabbed when you're a contact of someone who has tested positive. but not in italy. but really... i'm not so sure this matters anymore when the numbers are this big. who's doing contact tracing at this point? | 02:04 |
| LjL | so i am personally more inclined to believe that, for whatever reason, our numbers are just genuinely bad | 02:04 |
| LjL | but i'm reporting what we're told | 02:04 |
| RougeR | LjL, UK is still | 02:05 |
| LjL | RougeR, italy has a very high death rate according to the numbers... *if* we believe the theory that a lot of asymptomatics are simply not being tested, then the death rate goes back to something more expected. but definitely not lower. | 02:05 |
| RougeR | LjL, mmm | 02:05 |
| RougeR | doesnt italy also have a very high avg age | 02:06 |
| RougeR | i know it doesnt fully explain it | 02:06 |
| RougeR | but might add in | 02:06 |
| LjL | RougeR, yes, they also point out to us that our death rate *by age group* is lower than china's | 02:06 |
| RougeR | mm | 02:06 |
| RougeR | LjL, dw | 02:06 |
| LjL | but that doesn't make me feel a whole lot better | 02:06 |
| RougeR | UK is next | 02:06 |
| RougeR | out health service is | 02:06 |
| RougeR | F U C K E D | 02:06 |
| RougeR | its utterly broken | 02:06 |
| LjL | our health service is modelled on the UK's | 02:06 |
| LjL | so good luck | 02:06 |
| RougeR | its been underfunded and understaffed for 10 years | 02:06 |
| RougeR | LjL, nono | 02:06 |
| LjL | yeah, same here | 02:06 |
| RougeR | you havnt had the tories | 02:06 |
| LjL | we've had berlusconi | 02:07 |
| RougeR | ehhh pish | 02:07 |
| LjL | and the 2008 recession that never ended | 02:07 |
| RougeR | whats your pm like theser days | 02:07 |
| RougeR | we are stuck with johnson :l | 02:07 |
| tinwhiskers | the UK looks like it has another week or two to get it's shit together, so that's a better position than Italy at least :-/ | 02:07 |
| LjL | the current government is a strange mess of people who don't really go along with each other | 02:07 |
| tinwhiskers | *its | 02:07 |
| RougeR | tinwhiskers, i mean i guess | 02:08 |
| RougeR | but not really | 02:08 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 02:08 |
| LjL | the PM himself is... seemingly okayish, i guess | 02:08 |
| RougeR | we wont get our shit together | 02:08 |
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| RougeR | its the tory party. | 02:08 |
| RougeR | LjL, hmm interesting | 02:08 |
| RougeR | you have your 5 * clowns around still? | 02:08 |
| RougeR | always reminds me of | 02:08 |
| RougeR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7WYFLlxGbA | 02:09 |
| RougeR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinque_Terre | 02:09 |
| RougeR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Star_Movement ** | 02:11 |
| RougeR | wrong link lol | 02:11 |
| LjL | RougeR, the PM *is* from 5 stars, although he kinda distanced himself in some ways, and the whole movement has lost most of its consensus and is fighting from within | 02:16 |
| LjL | but meanwhile, the Democratic Party also split | 02:16 |
| LjL | if elections were held today, the far right would almost certainly win | 02:16 |
| LjL | (i mean even regardless of the virus) | 02:16 |
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| RougeR | LjL, hmmm sounds complicated | 02:26 |
| RougeR | i know some bits of it | 02:26 |
| RougeR | LjL, the italy wide quarantine | 02:27 |
| RougeR | what about tourists currently there? | 02:27 |
| LjL | the actual law has not yet been made public, so technically i don't know, but i expect similar arrangements as for the previous quarantine, which did involve the place with most of the international airports anyway | 02:28 |
| LjL | and that was that tourists can freely go back, as long as they find a flight, considering ryan air for example has stopped them all | 02:28 |
| RougeR | hmmm interesting | 02:28 |
| LjL | alitalia has no longer been flying in and out Malpensa, which i believe is italy's busiest airport, since the initial quarantine | 02:29 |
| LjL | limited flights to/from Milan Linate | 02:29 |
| RougeR | its all very dystopian | 02:29 |
| LjL | i suppose Rome has the most flights right now | 02:29 |
| RougeR | we hope to be joining you in this dystopia in a few weeks dont worry | 02:29 |
| LjL | well i had a few dystopian scenarios in my mind for the future, but this one i wasn't taking into much account | 02:29 |
| LjL | although, the great thing is | 02:29 |
| LjL | all the other scenarios are now much more likely to come true! | 02:30 |
| RougeR | wooooooooo | 02:30 |
| LjL | the economy will tank, people will be under more surveillance, countries will be more fragmented | 02:30 |
| LjL | freedoms, like of movement, will be more restricted, etc | 02:30 |
| RougeR | and coronavirus will mutate at the worst possible (best) time | 02:30 |
| LjL | oh well we can *hope* it mutates, tbh | 02:30 |
| RougeR | i mean tbh yeah | 02:31 |
| RougeR | makes it harder to spread | 02:31 |
| LjL | i was thinking of the version that makes it easier to spread but less lethal | 02:31 |
| RougeR | oh | 02:31 |
| RougeR | that too | 02:31 |
| RougeR | lol | 02:31 |
| LjL | but i guess that works too... *if* it manages to be the more successful version, which is however doubtful | 02:31 |
| RougeR | i was going more lethal | 02:31 |
| LjL | more lethal would lose out | 02:31 |
| RougeR | either or | 02:31 |
| LjL | hence hoping a less lethal variant will win out | 02:31 |
| LjL | mind, that could still mean more people dead *total* | 02:32 |
| LjL | but the virus per se isn't intent on killing us, just on replicating itself | 02:32 |
| LjL | so maybe we can get at a table with the virus and find some kind of arrangement | 02:32 |
| RougeR | i hear trump reckons he can do a deal | 02:33 |
| RougeR | and if not he will just walk away and refuse to give the virus the satisfaction of confirmed diagnosis | 02:33 |
| RougeR | LjL, any recommendations on stuff to buy from shops? | 02:33 |
| LjL | i hear johnso reckons you'll leave the virus, deal or no deal | 02:33 |
| RougeR | whats in shortage where you are? | 02:33 |
| RougeR | hahaha LjL | 02:33 |
| LjL | everything that is already in shortage where you are :P | 02:34 |
| RougeR | i imagine the best would be no deal + coronavirus!! | 02:34 |
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| RougeR | LjL, other than hand sanitiser and rubbing alcohol and masks | 02:34 |
| RougeR | nothing | 02:34 |
| RougeR | we have no shortages | 02:34 |
| RougeR | i got like 3 weeks of tinned food over a few shops | 02:35 |
| RougeR | and some stuff to make bread | 02:35 |
| mushhead2 | Canned food? | 02:35 |
| RougeR | and some paracetemol/ibuprofen | 02:35 |
| RougeR | mushhead2, yeh | 02:35 |
| LjL | RougeR, yes, right, drugs. have drugs. for multiple reasons. | 02:35 |
| mushhead2 | Is paracetamol the same as acetaminophen | 02:35 |
| RougeR | LjL, alas no weed :/ | 02:35 |
| RougeR | mushhead2, yes | 02:35 |
| LjL | mushhead2, yes, just as tinned food is the same as canned food! | 02:36 |
| LjL | maybe i should write an english to english translator for Brainstorm | 02:36 |
| RougeR | hehe | 02:36 |
| mushhead2 | I'm glad your wit is still intact ljl | 02:36 |
| LjL | mushhead2, thanks | 02:36 |
| RougeR | english to muricun | 02:36 |
| LjL | RougeR, actually, aside from that, there are still multiple reasons | 02:36 |
| RougeR | LjL, thats what im askingf | 02:36 |
| RougeR | what cant you get | 02:36 |
| RougeR | that you would buy now | 02:37 |
| LjL | RougeR, face masks, hand rub, some disinfectants :) | 02:37 |
| LjL | but you should look beyond what i can't get, because that's not the problem | 02:37 |
| mushhead2 | Do you have a bidet ljl ? | 02:37 |
| RougeR | i have disinfectants | 02:37 |
| RougeR | hand san is gone | 02:37 |
| LjL | RougeR, 1) pharmacies are not going to be the safest place to be around, and 2) India is stopping export of drugs due to lacking components from China | 02:37 |
| RougeR | i have milton x 2l | 02:37 |
| RougeR | LjL, bleh | 02:38 |
| RougeR | my drugs are not essential | 02:38 |
| RougeR | my dad has 4 months | 02:38 |
| RougeR | i mean...im guna go through withdrawal without my meds, but meh. they wont give me more | 02:38 |
| RougeR | wont die | 02:38 |
| LjL | RougeR, good. well, i'd double up on the canned food, because right now i'm thinking the most dangerous thing here is going to become going grocery shopping | 02:38 |
| LjL | i don't think we/you will have *shortages* of food | 02:38 |
| mushhead2 | Smart ljl | 02:39 |
| LjL | whether it's going to be sound to go buy food, is another matter | 02:39 |
| LjL | and then some people say, since canned food isn't going to be the best nutritionally, get a nice balance of multivitamins | 02:39 |
| LjL | but it's easy to go overboard and overresearch that stuff | 02:39 |
| RougeR | yeah i will look some more | 02:40 |
| RougeR | i dont food shortages either | 02:40 |
| RougeR | but you might get bored of baked beans | 02:40 |
| LjL | also your body might | 02:40 |
| RougeR | LjL, cant order from shops here too | 02:40 |
| RougeR | yeah i might get multivits | 02:40 |
| mushhead2 | I hope you can stand hot dogs and baked beans for days at a time | 02:41 |
| LjL | he's mostly british, apparently | 02:41 |
| LjL | sort of | 02:41 |
| LjL | he should be fine | 02:41 |
| mushhead2 | I practiced eating turkey hot dogs and baked beans yesterday | 02:41 |
| LjL | on the other hand, canned pizza is trickier to source | 02:41 |
| mushhead2 | It wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be | 02:41 |
| RougeR | mushhead2, yuss | 02:42 |
| RougeR | canned pizza.... | 02:42 |
| RougeR | wat | 02:42 |
| python476 | dark chocolate kills covid right ? | 02:42 |
| LjL | yes, exactly | 02:42 |
| RougeR | wait | 02:42 |
| RougeR | ha | 02:42 |
| python476 | i need a justification ~_~ | 02:42 |
| LjL | do you see my problem? | 02:42 |
| RougeR | you jk | 02:42 |
| RougeR | LjL, well... | 02:42 |
| RougeR | i have stuff to make bread | 02:42 |
| RougeR | and tomatoe paste | 02:42 |
| fructose | https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-03-06/covid-19-patient-dies-days-after-being-declared-recovered-101524580.html | 02:42 |
| RougeR | sooooo | 02:42 |
| LjL | at least, dry pasta doesn't go bad. the sauce kinda does. | 02:42 |
| python476 | fructose: delicious choice of url | 02:42 |
| LjL | fructose, always the bringer of good news | 02:42 |
| python476 | fructose: i suppose he was cleared of the virus but cytokines harmed too deep ? | 02:43 |
| LjL | i'd probably know if i could read the article without registeting | 02:43 |
| python476 | paywall is life, paywall is all | 02:43 |
| ubLIX | turn off css and javascript and it gives you the text | 02:44 |
| LjL | ubLIX, the one and only time having js off helped you! | 02:45 |
| ubLIX | :) | 02:45 |
| LjL | or not, depending on how scary the article is | 02:45 |
| ubLIX | you want me to dpaste it? | 02:45 |
| LjL | well | 02:45 |
| LjL | yeah | 02:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 131 new cases, 3 more deaths → https://is.gd/pGAqjy | 02:48 |
| mushhead2 | Can you shop without using cash ljl ? | 02:49 |
| LjL | yes | 02:49 |
| mushhead2 | Nice | 02:50 |
| LjL | i can even use contacless, that's how incredibly advanced they are | 02:50 |
| LjL | problem is, due to habit, i still hand my card to the cashier, who then "touches" it to the machine | 02:50 |
| mushhead2 | I heard Germans still use cash a lot | 02:50 |
| mushhead2 | I was thinking italians were like that and that some small grocers only accepted cash | 02:51 |
| ubLIX | sorry, debianpaste: https://paste.debian.net/1134216 | 02:51 |
| ubLIX | line wrapping is left as an exercise for the reader | 02:51 |
| fructose | Related article from same site: https://outline.com/egb9Td | 02:53 |
| LjL | mushhead2, we still use cash a fair bit, but card acceptance is almost universal now, partly due to laws mandating it | 02:54 |
| mushhead2 | I'd love to pay without touching anything | 02:55 |
| LjL | well this article makes me feel pretty not very good | 02:59 |
| LjL | i can't load the outline.com one | 02:59 |
| ubLIX | same @ outline.com | 02:59 |
| fructose | LjL: It's a statistical outlier, but one thing that is unresolved is long-term effects | 03:02 |
| LjL | this is more troubling to me than earlier rumors of re-infection... re-infection is bad news, but you can hope it rarely happens, and generally antibodies are developed and effective. but the virus actually staying in your body and being perfectly able to cause (deathly) relapses unpredictably? not a great life to live. | 03:03 |
| fructose | https://www.caixinglobal.com/2020-03-07/covid-19-relapse-mystery-may-be-linked-to-controversial-treatment-researchers-say-101525073.html | 03:03 |
| LjL | fructose, still, the article mentions "several" other similar cases. now that's certainly a bit vague but i get this creeping feeling these reports will start becoming more pervasive. we'll know soon enough, i guess. or not soon enough. | 03:05 |
| mushhead2 | Don't get freaked out by corner cases | 03:08 |
| LjL | i'm not freaked out by corner cases... i'm freaked out by the known fact that many viruses do stay in your body and cause relapses, and that early evidence does seem to point to this virus being able to colonize the nervous system (where the immune system doesn't quite reach), and that the fact lungs are the most obviously hit organ doesn't mean this virus doesn't cause damage elsewhere that may be less immediately obvious | 03:10 |
| LjL | these reports just add substance to what i feared based on possibilities | 03:10 |
| fructose | LjL: Colonize the nervous system? Where's that from? | 03:11 |
| tinwhiskers | may be a reference to chicken pox, but of course that is unknown here | 03:14 |
| python476 | fructose: i saw reports hinting at this too | 03:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:08 UTC: Trump floats payroll tax cut, other financial relief amid coronavirus outbreak: President Donald Trump on Monday said he will be meeting with Senate and House Republicans on Tuesday to discuss "a possible tax relief measure" that would provide "a timely and effective response to the coronavirus." → https://is.gd/QiAOLN | 03:15 |
| sneep | inb4trump | 03:15 |
| ubLIX | fructose: some discussion of this idea: "The neuroinvasive potential of SARS-CoV2 may be at least partially responsible for the respiratory failure of COVID-19 patients" - https://sci-hub.tw/10.1002/jmv.25728 | 03:16 |
| LjL | fructose, an italian epidemiologist from Temple University that spoke on TV a few days ago, i don't remember the name but i think he's also co-author of a "call to arms paper" kind of thing together with an italian epidemiologist in italy, so i can probably figure out the name | 03:16 |
| LjL | fructose, if it's the same guy as the paper i have in mind, and i think it is, then it's Enrico M. Bucci – SHRO, Temple University | 03:17 |
| fructose | ubLIX, LjL: Thank you | 03:19 |
| LjL | "If the neuroinvasion of SARS-CoV-2 does take a part in the development of respiratory failure in COVID-19 patients, the precaution with masks will absolutely be the most effective measure to protect against the possible entry of the virus into the CNS. It may also be expected that the symptoms of the patients infected via facal-oral or conjunctival route will be lighter than those infected intranasally." | 03:21 |
| LjL | good job telling everyone no, don't wear masks, if so. | 03:21 |
| BruntLIVE | Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), the incoming White House chief of staff, said Monday he would self-quarantine after potentially coming into contact with a person diagnosed with COVID-19, the illness caused by the novel coronavirus, according to media reports. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mark-meadows-coronavirus_n_5e66ec53c5b68d6164595cf9 | 03:22 |
| LjL | "It is very possible that most of the persons in Wuhan, who were the first exposed to this previously unknown virus, did not have any protective measure, so that the critical patients is much more in Wuhan than in other cities in China." | 03:22 |
| fructose | https://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-claims-no-coronavirus-cases-south-korean-media-reports-more-100-soldier-deaths-1491172 | 03:23 |
| ubLIX | LjL: "... the precaution with masks will absolutely be the most effective measure ..." - but the usual caveats applies: most effective, perhaps; infallible, no | 03:23 |
| LjL | ubLIX, so because it's not infallible it's okay to tell people NOT to wear them? | 03:24 |
| ubLIX | ofc not, but can we really expect that the myriads parroting unqualified 'masks actually not that great' advice have read this paper or even imagined intranasal CNS invasion | 03:25 |
| contingo | there is a small previous literature on nervous system infections by SARS (SARS-CoV) and MERS, and by coronaviruses more widely | 03:26 |
| contingo | I haven't delved into it | 03:26 |
| ubLIX | i just mean that the usual emitters of 'masks not that great' chat are not trying to be precise or comprehensive when they say that | 03:27 |
| contingo | lemsip time | 03:29 |
| LjL | ubLIX, no, but we can and should expect it of the WHO and similar agencies, which are *also* explicitly recommending against masks for the general populace | 03:29 |
| ubLIX | we ought to be able to, but i gave up taking the WHO seriously some while ago | 03:29 |
| LjL | well, every other media *and government agency* parrots their advice | 03:30 |
| LjL | so when does "unqualified" becomes "pretty much every medical doctor you see on TV"? | 03:30 |
| LjL | or in other words, is qualified advice only advice you can get from actual papers and studies that doctors usually tell me to steer away from because "don't read up medical things on the internet"? | 03:31 |
| LjL | is the king naked yet or do i need to be coughing up COVID into my GP's nose first | 03:31 |
| ubLIX | idk. is it possible that the authorities have been delicately trying to influence people away from worsening mask shortages? playing a dispassionate and pure numbers game, keeping clinical staff up and running probably saves more lives in the long run. they get the masks first. | 03:33 |
| LjL | ubLIX, yes, it's possible, but i've championed the concept that lying to the population in order to steer them towards the "good" behaviors is a very very risky practice with dubious short-term benefits and potentially devastating long-term effects, since about... at least since starting this channel anyway | 03:35 |
| LjL | ubLIX, but in Italy's case, anyway, China got the masks first. then we ran out. before we even had a (known) case. | 03:35 |
| LjL | and now other countries are requisitioning their own productions | 03:36 |
| LjL | i'm sure Italy's authorities will find it convenient to keep pointing to WHO advice that masks are useless | 03:36 |
| LjL | because at lease that way we don't stone them | 03:36 |
| contingo | you're experiencing the application into medical training that "all medicine is social medicine", essentially. If a doctor is giving advice on TV, hard science is being filtered by the considerations of social science. Which is foggy and political and tied up with potentially conflicting interests | 03:37 |
| ubLIX | mask (and other supplies) production must be reaching pretty epic scales by now. i'd hope supplies will be flowing into Italy by now | 03:37 |
| LjL | contingo, well i think they need better sociologists, because this is a myopic strategy that just makes me much less likely to trust any medical advice from "authorities" in the future | 03:39 |
| LjL | ubLIX, epic scales? you think Italy's production of *anything* can be occurring at epic scales right now? | 03:39 |
| contingo | will it make the average citizen more mistrustful? | 03:40 |
| ubLIX | i'd just be surprised if Italy wasn't right now buying on the international market | 03:40 |
| contingo | that's the only consideration really | 03:40 |
| contingo | I mean the answer could well be yes | 03:40 |
| contingo | just that that is part of the right perspective from which to examine these messages | 03:41 |
| LjL | ubLIX, the international market, as i mentioned, is requisitioning their supplies. at least our biggest neighbors are. | 03:41 |
| tinwhiskers | I think it'll be weeks at a minimum before all the plans to increase the scale of production start panning out | 03:42 |
| ubLIX | and by requisitioning, they gain control. it doesn't mean they won't send relief to Italy | 03:42 |
| LjL | you may say that "all medicine is social medicine", but something where i'm advised to do (or not do) something that the doctor knows will likely cause me harm for "political and potentially conflicting interests" is no medicine | 03:43 |
| LjL | social, sure | 03:43 |
| LjL | medicine, no | 03:43 |
| LjL | ubLIX, why are you being naive? have you seen how Germany's and France's numbers are soaring? do you think they love Italy so much they're going to just immolate themselves for us? | 03:44 |
| python476 | zzzz night yall zzz | 03:44 |
| ubLIX | i'm not being naive. i'm being optimistic. i admit i have no insight into what is actually logistically happening right now | 03:45 |
| swift110 | so was there a lot of people travelling from china to italy or something | 03:45 |
| swift110 | ? | 03:45 |
| contingo | I'm not someone who is defending any policy or rationalization here, it's just you seemed to lack an explanation of what's happening | 03:45 |
| LjL | well, my insight is that they are requisitioning and banning exports, while they're also having a clear surge in cases, seems pretty clear to me | 03:45 |
| LjL | contingo, no, i have the explanation, and as i mentioned i've been very vehemently arguing against that sort of lying as something very counterproductive in the long run, from the start | 03:46 |
| ubLIX | at the very least, you surely can be sure your government is talking to every possible avenue for getting the supplies you need | 03:46 |
| LjL | just because i find it an exceptionally bad way to do thing doesn't mean i don't understand why it's being done | 03:46 |
| LjL | ubLIX, what i can be sure of is that my government is kind of busy deciding how exactly to tell us that there is being an age limit on patients eligible for treatment | 03:47 |
| LjL | i'm not sure they have much time left for clever international trade | 03:47 |
| contingo | OK, well, at least you have a government that tells you there is such shortage of respirators and critical care equipment that decisions are going to have to be made to restrict life-saving efforts to below a certain cut-off age | 03:48 |
| LjL | they *have* promised to be getting masks... for the medical personnel. and they're barely delivering any, for now. | 03:48 |
| LjL | contingo, well, yes, the small lie being that decisions are already being made in the field, and instead they tell us that they are a worst-case but realistic possibility | 03:48 |
| contingo | whereas our much less well-resourced government tells us that they are totally well-prepared for anything | 03:48 |
| ubLIX | my paramedic friend has told me they have already run out of masks, and our case numbers are barely even a blip at this point | 03:50 |
| ubLIX | god knows what's going to happen here in a few weeks | 03:50 |
| contingo | I wonder if there is such a thing as a credulity metric, an index of populaces ranked by credulity | 03:51 |
| LjL | leave god alone, just look at italy | 03:51 |
| LjL | god either doesn't exist, or doesn't give a shit, or he thinks we deserve it | 03:51 |
| Spec | well, at least our numbers won't be as bad as italy | 03:52 |
| swift110 | LjL, I disagree with that assessment | 03:52 |
| LjL | Spec, keyword being numbers? | 03:52 |
| tinwhiskers | hell, Iran isn't even as bad as Italy :-( | 03:52 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, nonsense | 03:53 |
| LjL | Iran is every bit as bad as Italy, except much worse in all likelihood | 03:53 |
| tinwhiskers | well, going by the numbers we have | 03:53 |
| tinwhiskers | but sure, if you're saying they are worse because their numbers are incorrect then you may have a point | 03:54 |
| LjL | yes, if only Italy also lied more about our numbers | 03:54 |
| LjL | that would save the day | 03:54 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 03:54 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i may have a point mainly because there are clear clues that their numbers are incorrect by virtue of being hugely underestimated | 03:54 |
| tinwhiskers | you may | 03:55 |
| tinwhiskers | speculating whose number are more incorrect is hard to quantify, but I'd tend to agree with you that Iran is going to be worse | 03:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: White House says Trump has not been tested, did not have 'prolonged' close contact with anyone infected → https://is.gd/pGAqjy | 03:56 |
| LjL | well, at least 7% of *our* MPs haven't tested positive yet, although i'm sure we'll get there | 03:56 |
| tinwhiskers | :-/ | 03:56 |
| LjL | that's a pretty literal translation | 03:57 |
| contingo | %cases Iran | 03:57 |
| Brainstorm | contingo: In all areas, Iran, there are 7161 cases, 237 deaths (3.3% of cases), 2394 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 11:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iran for time series data. | 03:57 |
| Brainstorm | contingo: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 9.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 03:57 |
| bigfluff | %cases oregon | 03:57 |
| Brainstorm | bigfluff: In OR, US, there are 12 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 03:33:04 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:57 |
| tinwhiskers | The difference is that Iran's numbers are tailing off (if you believe them), whereas Italy's are picking up in speed. | 03:58 |
| LjL | i don't believe them, but that admittedly doesn't make any difference on the fact of Italy's picking up speed | 03:58 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 03:59 |
| LjL | i do believe South Korea's numbers though | 03:59 |
| LjL | and that doesn't paint Italy in any good light | 03:59 |
| tinwhiskers | true | 03:59 |
| LjL | but hey guess what most South Koreans are wearing? | 04:00 |
| Spec | but south korea was pretty prepared, right? | 04:00 |
| LjL | right, that's masks! | 04:00 |
| swift110 | are those places that have had a lot of people travel to from china? | 04:00 |
| LjL | swift110, everyone has had a lot of people travel to and from China. this is a moot point. it happened in Italy first within the EU because chance is kinda random, but it's now happening the same way in Germany, France, Spain, what have you | 04:01 |
| tinwhiskers | Spec: a lot of South Korea's spread was due to that cult/church spreading it around. If it weren't for that they would be looking a lot better, but they're coming out the other side of the damage that cult caused now. | 04:01 |
| LjL | in Asia of course it *is* a bit more likely that the disease would spread faster, but still, Italy has quickly reached Korea | 04:01 |
| swift110 | what do you mean the cult | 04:02 |
| tinwhiskers | The interesting comparison: http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Korea;Italy;Iran | 04:02 |
| tinwhiskers | https://time.com/5787898/south-korea-coronavirus-sect/ | 04:03 |
| tinwhiskers | Well, that's not a very good article about them but there's lots of articles about them | 04:07 |
| LjL | additionally, go over that passage of the study about neuroinvasion again: "It is very possible that most of the persons in Wuhan, who were the first exposed to this previously unknown virus, did not have any protective measure, so that the critical patients is much more in Wuhan than in other cities in China." | 04:09 |
| LjL | this implies that most people in China are now wearing masks, which matches what i tend to see on videos etc | 04:10 |
| LjL | so why don't *we* get to have masks? medical personnel needs it the most... except, before them, China needs them the most, right? | 04:10 |
| LjL | since our medical personnel doesn't actually have them | 04:10 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +36 cases (now 114474), +4 deaths (now 4016) 🔶 US: +34 cases (now 738), +4 deaths (now 26) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Egypt: +4 cases (now 59) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong: +1 recoveries (now 60) 🔸 Iraq: +6 recoveries (now 9) 🔸 Mainland China: +1 cases (now 80754), +16 deaths (now 3136), +7 recoveries (now 59905) 🔸 Beijing, Mainlan | 04:22 |
| ubLIX | https://time.com/5799765/intelligence-report-pandemic-dangers/ | 04:26 |
| ubLIX | ^ "The Trump Administration Is Stalling an Intel Report That Warns the U.S. Isn’t Ready for a Global Pandemic" | 04:26 |
| LjL | because there was someone who didn't know? | 04:29 |
| ubLIX | a large number of Americans, I shouldn't wonder | 04:30 |
| Poon | %data vietnam | 04:32 |
| Brainstorm | Poon: In all areas, Vietnam, there are 31 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 03:08:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vietnam for time series data. | 04:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, Vietnam's three week streak of new new infections is broken. Doubled in the last few days :-( | 04:33 |
| tinwhiskers | s/new new /no new/ | 04:33 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers meant to say: Oh, Vietnam's three week streak of no newinfections is broken. Doubled in the last few days :-( | 04:33 |
| tinwhiskers | bah | 04:33 |
| Spec | %data madagascar | 04:36 |
| Brainstorm | Spec: Sorry, madagascar not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 04:36 |
| Poon | @tinwhiskers: and all new cases are from the same flight 😥 | 04:37 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. dang | 04:37 |
| tinwhiskers | Are you from Vietnam Poon? | 04:39 |
| Poon | yes, I'm in Ho Chi Minh city | 04:39 |
| tinwhiskers | Nice. | 04:39 |
| tinwhiskers | How's the mood there, given you share a border with China and all that? | 04:39 |
| tinwhiskers | (you're the first person I've met on irc from Vietnam, btw) | 04:39 |
| Poon | Everything's still fine here. everyone takes masks when go out or go to work. | 04:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Do you dispose of your mask every day? | 04:42 |
| tinwhiskers | Is there a shortage of masks yet? | 04:42 |
| Poon | yes, I dispose mask after it's used. These masks was bought before the virus comes here. we wear mask everyday when we go out because of pollution | 04:44 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, right. | 04:44 |
| contingo | %wik Southeast Asian haze | 04:45 |
| Brainstorm | contingo, from English Wikipedia: The Southeast Asian haze is a fire-related large-scale air pollution problem that occurs regularly. Generally, it is worst between July and October. These haze events have caused adverse health and economic impact on Brunei Darussalam, in Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and, to a lesser degree, [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asian_haze | 04:45 |
| tinwhiskers | %more | 04:45 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers, [...] the Philippines and Thailand. The problem flares up every dry season, in varying degrees. Transboundary haze in Southeast Asia has been recorded since 1972. → https://paste.ee/p/ojSZO | 04:45 |
| contingo | this is why my family out there already have good stocks of masks | 04:45 |
| Poon | I feel worry a bit after new cases recently in Hanoi. However, everything is still fine now. | 04:45 |
| tinwhiskers | Are people there being careful about washing hands, avoiding public gatherings or anything like that? | 04:46 |
| Poon | yup, sure. | 04:47 |
| Poon | the company determines temperature of emloyee every morning and put ancol gel at the doors and the desks | 04:48 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. wow. | 04:48 |
| tinwhiskers | That's the sort of things that will serve your country very well compared to many of us | 04:49 |
| tinwhiskers | taking it seriously, for a start. | 04:50 |
| tinwhiskers | *before* it gets away on you | 04:50 |
| Poon | although it's not a serious sick (low rare death), but I guess the hospoital and medicine at VN is not good enough to handle lots of cases. That's why we must take carefully. 😢 | 04:52 |
| tinwhiskers | good reason, although I think your hospitals are pretty good really (certainly better than here) | 04:53 |
| skyofdust | ;5B | 04:57 |
| swift110 | oh | 05:21 |
| Spec | i'm beginning to think MaskCulture is required to defeat this, in combination with social distancing | 05:29 |
| swift110 | HMM | 05:30 |
| ryouma | <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/31/our-face-mask-future-do-they-really-help-beat-flu-coronavirus-and-pollution> | 05:30 |
| tinwhiskers | I suspect there will be plenty of superannuation savings to be made yet that will offset that! :-/ | 05:38 |
| tinwhiskers | In any case, losses on stocks in times like this will mostly be made back if people just hold tight and don't panic-sell. | 05:41 |
| swift110 | oh | 05:43 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +17 cases (now 114491), +8 deaths (now 4024), +324 recoveries (now 64221) 🔶 Netherlands: +1 deaths (now 4), +317 recoveries (now 317) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Egypt: +4 cases (now 59) 🔸 France: +11 deaths (now 30) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong: +1 recoveries (now 60) 🔸 Iraq: +6 recoveries (now 9) 🔸 Mainland China: +1 cases (now 80 | 06:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American at 05:15 UTC: Health: Coronavirus Hot Zone: The View from the U.S. Epicenter → https://is.gd/mfodr7 | 06:26 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +46 cases (now 114537), +2 deaths (now 4026) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +8 cases (now 101) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Czech Republic: +7 cases (now 38) 🔸 Denmark: +23 cases (now 113) 🔸 Egypt: +4 cases (now 59) 🔸 France: +11 deaths (now 30) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong: +1 recoveries (now 60) 🔸 Iraq: +1 deaths (now 7) 🔸 Mainland China: +4 cas | 07:29 |
| AgTh | %data china | 07:54 |
| Brainstorm | AgTh: In all areas, Mainland China, there are 80757 cases, 3136 deaths (3.9% of cases), 59925 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 07:45:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mainland%20China for time series data. | 07:54 |
| Brainstorm | AgTh: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 5.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 07:54 |
| AgTh | %data denmark | 07:55 |
| Brainstorm | AgTh: In all areas, Denmark, there are 113 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 07:45:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Denmark for time series data. | 07:55 |
| AgTh | %data netherlands | 07:55 |
| Brainstorm | AgTh: In all areas, Netherlands, there are 321 cases, 4 deaths (1.2% of cases), 317 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 05:53:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands for time series data. | 07:55 |
| Brainstorm | AgTh: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 1.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 07:55 |
| AgTh | %data italy | 07:55 |
| Brainstorm | AgTh: In all areas, Italy, there are 9172 cases, 463 deaths (5.0% of cases), 724 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 19:13:11 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 07:55 |
| adventurer | %data Australia | 07:56 |
| Brainstorm | adventurer: In all areas, Australia, there are 101 cases, 4 deaths (4.0% of cases), 22 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 07:45:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. | 07:56 |
| adventurer | 4 deaths? | 07:56 |
| mefistofeles | %data Germany | 07:59 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 1224 cases, 2 deaths (0.2% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 05:53:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 07:59 |
| mefistofeles | oh finally some deaths in Germany, was wondering... still pretty low!! | 08:00 |
| wormfarm | hi mefistofeles | 08:00 |
| mefistofeles | wonder what they are doing | 08:00 |
| mefistofeles | hey wormfarm | 08:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:04 UTC: Beijing objects to term 'Wuhan coronavirus,' and says it may not have originated in China: China's foreign ministry on Monday objected to the expression "Wuhan coronavirus" — saying the name will "stigmatize" the country — following recent claims from Beijing that the virus may not have originated in China at all. → https://is.gd/ShKRrV | 08:15 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 Mainland China: +4 cases (now 80757), +16 deaths (now 3136), +45 recoveries (now 59943) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +8 cases (now 101) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Czech Republic: +7 cases (now 38) 🔸 Denmark: +23 cases (now 113) 🔸 Egypt: +4 cases (now 59) 🔸 France: +11 deaths (now 30) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong: +1 recoveries (now 60) 🔸 Iraq: +1 deaths | 08:23 |
| fructose | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.04.20030965v1 | 08:36 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 Hubei, Mainland China: +144 recoveries (now 47734) 🔶 Mainland China: +149 recoveries (now 60092) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +8 cases (now 101) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 30) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Czech Republic: +7 cases (now 38) 🔸 Denmark: +23 cases (now 113) 🔸 Egypt: +4 cases (now 59) 🔸 France: +11 deaths (now 30) 🔸 Hong Kong, Hong Kong | 08:36 |
| pwr22 | !cases china | 08:52 |
| pwr22 | !cases vietnam | 08:53 |
| pwr22 | Vietnam have new cases again | 08:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 08:09 UTC: /u/hasharin: Coronavirus live latest updates with five UK deaths confirmed including Wolverhampton patient - Birmingham Live → https://is.gd/xkPIvE | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 08:21 UTC: /u/hasharin: Coronavirus live updates: US cases top 700 in 36 states → https://is.gd/tc26JV | 09:24 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +33 cases (now 114575), +4 recoveries (now 64074) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +8 cases (now 101) 🔸 Austria: +26 cases (now 157) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 30) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Czech Republic: +7 cases (now 38) 🔸 Denmark: +23 cases (now 113) 🔸 Egypt: +4 cases (now 59) 🔸 Finland: +2 cases (now 35) 🔸 France: +11 deaths (now 30) 🔸 | 09:30 |
| sneep | :| | 09:31 |
| tinwhiskers | pwr22: yeah, apparently they all came on a single plane, so they may not have community spread still. | 09:35 |
| pwr22 | I just read an article that a British couple have been spreading around there | 09:37 |
| pwr22 | Generating 53 suspected cases or something | 09:38 |
| pwr22 | Hope they can nip it in the bud | 09:38 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +44 cases (now 114619), +8 recoveries (now 64082) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +8 cases (now 101) 🔸 Austria: +26 cases (now 157) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 30) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Czech Republic: +9 cases (now 40) 🔸 Denmark: +23 cases (now 113) 🔸 Egypt: +4 cases (now 59) 🔸 Finland: +2 cases (now 35) 🔸 France: +11 deaths (now 30) 🔸 | 09:57 |
| tinwhiskers | pwr22: oh damn. I wonder if the crazy xenophobic things we're seeing here like bus drivers not letting Asians on work in reverse there. Filthy Brits. | 09:58 |
| fructose | “There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.” | 10:01 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 08:59 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Rep. Matt Gaetz Flew on Air Force One With Trump Hours Before Self-Quarantine → https://is.gd/nwyo5Y | 10:05 |
| mefistofeles | %data Chile | 10:11 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Chile, there are 13 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 06:13:07 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Chile for time series data. | 10:11 |
| mefistofeles | %data Colombia | 10:11 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Colombia, there are 3 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 06:33:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Colombia for time series data. | 10:11 |
| azy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azS5Xp4iVUM | 10:22 |
| mefistofeles | %title | 10:23 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From www.youtube.com: Dr. Drew On Coronavirus - YouTube | 10:23 |
| mefistofeles | who dat? | 10:23 |
| gareppa[m] | what do you think about this? https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074351/coronavirus-can-travel-twice-far-official-safe-distance-and-stay | 10:27 |
| mefistofeles | https://github.com/jihoo-kim/Coronavirus-Dataset/ interesting | 10:30 |
| mefistofeles | gareppa[m]: interesting, but, I don't think a single study from a bus can actually conclude that, imho | 10:33 |
| mefistofeles | but it's more data, for sure | 10:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:39 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Japan unveils $4 billion coronavirus package: Japan has unveiled a second package of measures worth about $4 billion in spending to cope with the impact of the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters reported → https://is.gd/pGAqjy | 10:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live at 09:55 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus: President Xi visits Wuhan to signal control of outbreak - BBC News → https://is.gd/p0gvaD | 11:00 |
| p_hpd[m] | 🔸 Denmark: now 156 | 11:07 |
| Abandoned | dead cat bounce on the stock markets | 11:13 |
| CatButtes[m] | Question is, did it bounce off the floor or a flagpole on the way down? | 11:16 |
| Abandoned | flagpole | 11:16 |
| Abandoned | people just bought the big drop for some easy and quick profit before another leg down | 11:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:17 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Japan unveils $4 billion aid package to help economy: Japan has unveiled a second package of measures worth about $4 billion in spending to cope with the impact of the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters reported → https://is.gd/pGAqjy | 11:27 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +49 cases (now 114701), +1 deaths (now 4027), +3 recoveries (now 64092) 🔶 Denmark: +66 cases (now 156) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +10 cases (now 103) 🔸 Austria: +26 cases (now 157) 🔸 Bahrain: +1 cases (now 110) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 30) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Czech Republic: +9 cases (now 40) 🔸 Egypt: +4 cases (now 59) 🔸 Finlan | 11:31 |
| BoNgleger | %data germany | 11:47 |
| Brainstorm | BoNgleger: In all areas, Germany, there are 1225 cases, 2 deaths (0.2% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 11:13:27 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 11:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American at 10:45 UTC: How the Coronavirus Is Hampering Science: Research meetings are being canceled left and right over epidemic fears, slowing the work of scientists—especially those who are early in their career -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/bvjBkz | 11:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live at 11:05 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, la Lombardia pensa al blocco totale per 15 giorni: "Tutto chiuso, mezzi fermi" → https://is.gd/LzADwR | 12:08 |
| romare | %data france | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | romare: In all areas, France, there are 1412 cases, 30 deaths (2.1% of cases), 12 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 05:53:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 12:20 |
| romare | %data cyprus | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | romare: In all areas, Cyprus, there are 2 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 01:33:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Cyprus for time series data. | 12:20 |
| CatButtes[m] | %data uk | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +188 cases (now 114889), +1 deaths (now 4028), +6 recoveries (now 64098) 🔶 Switzerland: +123 cases (now 497) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +10 cases (now 103) 🔸 Austria: +26 cases (now 157) 🔸 Bahrain: +1 cases (now 110) 🔸 Belgium: +28 cases (now 267) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 30) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 6) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Czech | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | CatButtes[m]: In all areas, UK, there are 321 cases, 5 deaths (1.6% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 05:53:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=UK for time series data. | 12:20 |
| CatButtes[m] | %data united kingdom | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | CatButtes[m]: Sorry, united kingdom not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 12:20 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | %data italy | 12:30 |
| Brainstorm | Tangent-Man[m]: In all areas, Italy, there are 9172 cases, 463 deaths (5.0% of cases), 724 recoveries as of Mon Mar 9 19:13:11 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 12:30 |
| darsie | %data austria | 12:31 |
| Brainstorm | darsie: In all areas, Austria, there are 157 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 2 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 09:33:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria for time series data. | 12:31 |
| darsie | Was 131 yesterday. | 12:31 |
| darsie | What are estimates of confirmed vs. unconfirmed cases? | 12:34 |
| Abandoned | so around 30 more deaths since around this time yesterday? | 12:35 |
| darsie | mhm | 12:36 |
| darsie | no, cases. | 12:36 |
| darsie | No deaths so far. | 12:36 |
| Abandoned | it was 4001 yesterday, now 4031 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ | 12:36 |
| darsie | ok | 12:37 |
| Abandoned | i guess this should be right | 12:37 |
| darsie | That's so insignificant ... | 12:38 |
| Abandoned | you mean it's only 30 deaths? | 12:38 |
| darsie | yeah. Or only 4031. | 12:38 |
| darsie | We're 8 Ghumans. | 12:38 |
| Abandoned | yeah, doesnt look all that bad, but the thing is to keep it low you must slow down things and the economy suffers | 12:39 |
| Abandoned | businesses suffer | 12:39 |
| darsie | economy slowdown is excellent for the environment. | 12:39 |
| Abandoned | if only this turned into some zombie apocalypse | 12:39 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | %data USA | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | Tangent-Man[m]: Sorry, USA not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 12:40 |
| darsie | lol | 12:40 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | * %data america | 12:40 |
| Abandoned | i dont think sop.. they deregulate then and find ways to boost | 12:40 |
| pwr22 | !cases us | 12:40 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | %data amaerica | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | Tangent-Man[m]: Sorry, amaerica not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 12:40 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | lol | 12:40 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | %data america | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | Tangent-Man[m]: Sorry, america not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 12:40 |
| darsie | %data earth | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | darsie: Sorry, earth not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 12:40 |
| darsie | %data | 12:41 |
| Brainstorm | darsie: Sorry, lol not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 12:41 |
| darsie | hmm | 12:41 |
| darsie | We don't need milk. | 12:42 |
| azy | damn casual preppers | 12:43 |
| azy | buying all sorts of nonsense | 12:44 |
| azy | cant bare the thought of going without their luxuries, survival isnt on their mind | 12:44 |
| darsie | I went shopping before we had cases. | 12:44 |
| CatButtes[m] | I got accused of panic buying porridge at Tesco yesterday | 12:45 |
| azy | im expecting to get accused also, all the shit i buy is prepper food | 12:45 |
| CatButtes[m] | I was buying our normal fortnightly quantity because we had run out - not stocking up any more than usual | 12:45 |
| RougeRR | CatButtes[m] haha wat | 12:46 |
| CatButtes[m] | Admittedly it was 4 boxes, but thats hardly excessive when you have 4 people eating it every day | 12:46 |
| RougeRR | yeah | 12:46 |
| RougeRR | lol i did a few small shops just so we have a reserve | 12:46 |
| darsie | They asked me if I was opening a restaurant and I said: "The apocalypse is coming. It has reached Italy." I'm in Austria. | 12:47 |
| RougeRR | i got lots of porridge | 12:47 |
| RougeRR | tbh i dont think bulk buying is good | 12:47 |
| CatButtes[m] | I have been adding bits and pieces to our regular shops ever since Brexit started looking like it was going to be a cluster fuck | 12:47 |
| RougeRR | space it out over a few days | 12:47 |
| RougeRR | CatButtes[m], aye | 12:47 |
| RougeRR | lol our brexit government stockpiles are going to be used for this now | 12:47 |
| CatButtes[m] | So we have a nice little stash dotted all over the house | 12:47 |
| RougeRR | that was handy for them | 12:47 |
| CatButtes[m] | not even sure Mrs Buttes knows everything we have squirrelled away | 12:48 |
| RougeRR | mm | 12:48 |
| RougeRR | tbh i think likelyhood of all food being out is unlikely | 12:48 |
| RougeRR | more likely is variety/luxuries | 12:48 |
| sneep | wuhan had food the whole time | 12:49 |
| RougeRR | yeah | 12:49 |
| RougeRR | also, cause of jersey | 12:49 |
| RougeRR | i cant bulk buy | 12:49 |
| RougeRR | there is literally no where cheap enough | 12:49 |
| RougeRR | i just added bits on to each shop | 12:49 |
| CatButtes[m] | I'm more concerned with panic buying causing problems like it is at the moment | 12:49 |
| RougeRR | CatButtes[m], aye yeah | 12:49 |
| darsie | Did prices go up? | 12:49 |
| CatButtes[m] | and adding a couple of extra tins to a shop isn't a problem for us | 12:50 |
| RougeRR | darsie, no its always been expensive here | 12:50 |
| RougeRR | not america jersey | 12:50 |
| RougeRR | tax haven jersey | 12:50 |
| CatButtes[m] | Isolated, tax haven Jersey in the Channel | 12:50 |
| RougeRR | yeah, i came back to live with my folks for a bit and sort of lost motivation a bit | 12:50 |
| darsie | %data jersey | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +937 cases (now 115826) 🔶 Iran: +881 cases (now 8042) 🔶 Germany: +56 cases (now 1281) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +10 cases (now 103) 🔸 Austria: +26 cases (now 157) 🔸 Bahrain: +1 cases (now 110) 🔸 Belgium: +28 cases (now 267) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 30) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 6) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Czech Republic: +9 case | 12:50 |
| RougeRR | ZERO | 12:50 |
| RougeRR | baby | 12:50 |
| RougeRR | one of the few countries with 0 cases lol | 12:51 |
| Brainstorm | darsie: In New Jersey, US, there are 11 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 03:33:04 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20Jersey for time series data. | 12:51 |
| CatButtes[m] | Doing better than the IoW! | 12:51 |
| RougeRR | haha and Guernsey | 12:51 |
| RougeRR | they had their first confirmed yesterday | 12:51 |
| CatButtes[m] | Damn. This shit is everywhere | 12:51 |
| RougeRR | wonder how IoM is doing | 12:51 |
| CatButtes[m] | Probably not too bad - Scotland seems to be getting lighter hit still | 12:52 |
| RougeRR | eyyyu IoM and Jersey still on zero | 12:52 |
| darsie | Did it come from bats? Do Wuhaners eat bats? | 12:52 |
| azy | came from a satanic meat market | 12:52 |
| azy | corpses everywhere | 12:53 |
| darsie | They should have taken meat market samples. | 12:53 |
| RougeRR | wuhamn bat stew is a delicacy /s | 12:53 |
| RougeRR | darsie, lol "well we didnt find ncov19, but what we did find was 17 previously unknown viruses on the cusp of human transmission" | 12:54 |
| darsie | Would everyone going vegan significantly decrease diseases? Or are animals just one of many similar disease sources? | 12:56 |
| RougeRR | darsie, nope | 12:56 |
| RougeRR | just stop eating weird shit in unsanitary conditions | 12:57 |
| RougeRR | i was joking about my 17 previous viruses | 12:57 |
| RougeRR | jesus christ that bot name is an abomination | 12:57 |
| darsie | yeah, I understood /s to be /sarcasm. | 12:57 |
| RougeRR | someone covid it | 12:57 |
| RougeRR | ahh kk | 12:58 |
| darsie | So ... covid-19 is a zoonosis? | 12:58 |
| CatButtes[m] | > jesus christ that bot name is an abomination | 13:00 |
| CatButtes[m] | I think it is mainly to enable people to know who to shout at if it goes Skynet and needs shutting down | 13:00 |
| RougeRR | hmmm | 13:00 |
| RougeRR | whos bot is it | 13:00 |
| CatButtes[m] | LJL I think | 13:01 |
| RougeRR | ahh fuck i couldnt even see his name its so weird | 13:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:59 UTC: Japan unveils $4 billion aid package to help economy: Japan has unveiled a second package of measures worth about $4 billion in spending to cope with the impact of the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters reported → https://is.gd/pGAqjy | 13:03 |
| CatButtes[m] | I suspect it is running https://github.com/matrix-org/go-neb based on the 2nd part of the name | 13:03 |
| RougeRRR | why do you think that framework? | 13:04 |
| RougeRRR | surely it could be any matrix bot | 13:04 |
| CatButtes[m] | the `_neb_` part of the name | 13:05 |
| CatButtes[m] | plus that is a ready to go bot, so firing it up would be pretty quick and simple | 13:05 |
| RougeRRR | hmm cant see _neb_ | 13:05 |
| RougeRRR | ahh | 13:05 |
| RougeRRR | i did a whois | 13:05 |
| RougeRRR | yeah | 13:05 |
| RougeRRR | makes sense | 13:05 |
| RougeRRR | its like | 13:06 |
| CatButtes[m] | Hang on, I'm gonna see what it looks like on IRC - on Riot it really is an abomination of a name | 13:06 |
| CatButtes[m] | not that it really matters though! | 13:06 |
| RougeRRR | just run /whois | 13:06 |
| RougeRRR | yeah | 13:06 |
| RougeRRR | [RSSBot[LjLmatrix] (nebrss_132@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-iyvnrmabhdqxjpkq) : @_neb_rssbot_=40_lj_l=3amatrix.org:matrix.org | 13:06 |
| RougeRRR | -RSSBot[LjLmatrix/##covid-19- | 13:06 |
| RougeRRR | is its name | 13:06 |
| RougeRRR | 2nd one | 13:06 |
| RougeRRR | im so glad im not in my old job with my old flatmates in that shit hole with coronavirus inbound | 13:08 |
| RougeRRR | i think it would have sent me the over the edge lol | 13:08 |
| darsie | One works in a "Kindergarten". | 13:08 |
| darsie | Whatever you call a Kindergarten for primary school kids. | 13:09 |
| darsie | Day care center? | 13:09 |
| CatButtes[m] | Yeah, I work at a Uni. So far we are good, but students are kinda gross | 13:09 |
| RougeRRR | darsie, nursery | 13:10 |
| darsie | k | 13:10 |
| RougeRRR | my flatmates worked in; mental health ward, restaurant, nightclub, bar | 13:10 |
| RougeRRR | my job was software but in a horrid office city centre | 13:10 |
| RougeRRR | and my flat was leaking and i hated my flatemates | 13:10 |
| sneep | 25 people in my building with just three shower rooms | 13:11 |
| RougeRRR | sneep, rooms!? | 13:11 |
| darsie | RougeRRR: What did it leak? | 13:11 |
| RougeRRR | darsie, rain water | 13:11 |
| contingo | sneep, is that a dormitory? | 13:11 |
| RougeRRR | i was sleeping with a tarp over my pc | 13:11 |
| CatButtes[m] | Sounds like student accomodation | 13:11 |
| RougeRRR | the rental agency took 4 months to fix it | 13:11 |
| sneep | Not quite but close enough | 13:11 |
| contingo | I also work on uni campuses CatButtes[m] | 13:12 |
| sneep | Everybody has their own room | 13:12 |
| contingo | are you students? | 13:12 |
| RougeRRR | it really fucked with me, having to sleep in a leaking damp room, and go to a souless offic | 13:12 |
| sneep | No students here | 13:12 |
| RougeRRR | anyway, yeah i cant imagine being isolated there | 13:12 |
| CatButtes[m] | I'm not a student - University IT staff | 13:12 |
| contingo | was that in London RougeRRR | 13:12 |
| RougeRRR | contingo, worse | 13:12 |
| RougeRRR | bristol | 13:12 |
| RougeRRR | haha | 13:12 |
| sneep | Most people are like 25-35 I think | 13:12 |
| contingo | lol | 13:12 |
| RougeRRR | well housing wise its almost as bad | 13:12 |
| RougeRRR | i kinda miss it | 13:13 |
| RougeRRR | i duno what to do now tbh | 13:13 |
| RougeRRR | im meant to be start looking for work again soon, but like... | 13:13 |
| RougeRRR | guna be a pain i imagine next few months | 13:13 |
| RougeRRR | hey! | 13:13 |
| contingo | I read things about the povo / posh divide in Bristol yeah. Quite the divide, I'm sure London | 13:13 |
| RougeRRR | at least some of the boomers will die off, might open up some positions ;) | 13:13 |
| contingo | is more extreme, but easier to insulate oneself | 13:13 |
| RougeRRR | contingo, yeah it is quite stark | 13:14 |
| RougeRRR | its a lovely city though | 13:14 |
| RougeRRR | im not sure if ill move back, was there 2 years | 13:14 |
| RougeRRR | tbh because of brexit, i really dont want to move back to the uk at all | 13:14 |
| RougeRRR | well...i do | 13:14 |
| RougeRRR | but we are going to be fucked | 13:14 |
| contingo | yeah have been quite a few times. Lovely but.. a bit too steep, gradient wise | 13:14 |
| RougeRRR | contingo, oh god the hills! | 13:14 |
| contingo | just walking around if it's icy was killer | 13:14 |
| RougeRRR | i lived past clifton for 1st 6 months | 13:15 |
| RougeRRR | so much regret | 13:15 |
| RougeRRR | was right at top near suspension bridge | 13:15 |
| RougeRRR | moved to southville other side of river afer | 13:15 |
| RougeRRR | contingo, in totterdown they tie the cars to lamposts i heard | 13:16 |
| contingo | wow | 13:16 |
| RougeRRR | https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/living-on-uks-steepest-street-12693 | 13:16 |
| RougeRRR | UKs steepest street lol | 13:16 |
| RougeRRR | > The incline is so sharp that during the winter, when it is icy, some cars have to be tied to lampposts to prevent them from sliding down the hill. | 13:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:14 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US markets set to pop as Trump eyes stimulus; deaths climb in Iran → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 13:16 |
| RougeRRR | https://i2-prod.bristolpost.co.uk/incoming/article12688.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Vale-Street.jpg | 13:17 |
| RougeRRR | the roofrack is tied there it hink | 13:17 |
| contingo | I moved in Oct 2018 to what for me is a pretty dodge part of London. Right on the edge of an undeniably rough area. But means I can afford my own place with parking, garden, generous storage space | 13:18 |
| RougeRRR | lol | 13:18 |
| RougeRRR | https://www.thesportsgeek.com/blog/you-can-now-bet-on-coronavirus-results-online/ | 13:18 |
| RougeRRR | Bet On If the Coronavirus Kills More People Than The Black Plague | 13:19 |
| RougeRRR | wait | 13:19 |
| RougeRRR | over what timescale | 13:19 |
| RougeRRR | that could pay out big in 5-10 years | 13:19 |
| RougeRRR | doesnt say where | 13:21 |
| RougeRRR | but yeah | 13:21 |
| RougeRRR | id take that bet | 13:21 |
| RougeRRR | £10 at 3000/1 | 13:22 |
| RougeRRR | morbid pay out | 13:22 |
| contingo | I've never actually placed a bet with a bookies | 13:23 |
| contingo | I've had quite a few lucky breaks with impulse investments and purchases | 13:24 |
| contingo | but not from a position of being well informed about something | 13:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US airlines slash flights; deaths climb in Iran → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 13:30 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +295 cases (now 116121), +59 deaths (now 4087) 🔶 Spain: +277 cases (now 1512), +4 deaths (now 35) 🔶 Iran: +54 deaths (now 291) 🔸 Albania: +4 cases (now 6) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +10 cases (now 103) 🔸 Austria: +26 cases (now 157) 🔸 Bahrain: +1 cases (now 110) 🔸 Belgium: +28 cases (now 267) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 30) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 6) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 | 13:31 |
| python476 | o/ | 13:31 |
| contingo | good day python476 | 13:34 |
| python476 | hi contingo | 13:35 |
| python476 | still not contingious I hope | 13:35 |
| darsie | If there's not enough food, don't process it with animals before you eat it. | 13:36 |
| contingo | who knows | 13:36 |
| darsie | https://www.amazon.com/NOTEBOOM-FARMS-SOYBEANS-lbs-bean-bags-soymilk-tofu/dp/B0856SDPPL/ref=sr_1_2 Only 7 left in stock - order soon. | 13:38 |
| darsie | SOYBEANS --24 lbs--bean bags--soymilk--tofu $28.99 | 13:38 |
| darsie | https://www.ebay.at/itm/333405049586 Details zu (EUR 1,84/kg) 25kg Sojabohnen Hühnerfutter Tauben EUR 48,29 | 13:41 |
| darsie | "chicken food" | 13:41 |
| darsie | https://www.ebay.at/itm/2-49-1kg-1kg-Sojabohnen-vielseitig-auch-fur-die-vegetarische-Kuche/153856081257 EUR 2,49 , EUR 22,90 shipping to Austria. | 13:43 |
| darsie | 0 results if I click item location Austria. | 13:44 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | %data iran | 13:44 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +15 cases (now 116136), +338 recoveries (now 64436) 🔶 Iran: +337 recoveries (now 2731) 🔸 Afghanistan: +1 cases (now 5) 🔸 Albania: +8 cases (now 10) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +10 cases (now 103) 🔸 Austria: +26 cases (now 157) 🔸 Bahrain: +1 cases (now 110) 🔸 Belgium: +28 cases (now 267) 🔸 Brazil: +5 cases (now 30) 🔸 Brunei: +5 cases (now 6) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +1 cases (now | 13:44 |
| darsie | oops, wrong channel ... | 13:45 |
| Brainstorm | Tangent-Man[m]: In all areas, Iran, there are 8042 cases, 291 deaths (3.6% of cases), 2731 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 13:29:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iran for time series data. | 13:45 |
| Brainstorm | Tangent-Man[m]: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.2% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 9.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 13:45 |
| darsie | I meant to post that to ##vegan . | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Marseille cruise tests passengers, US airlines slash flights → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 13:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:05 UTC: (news): Apple got off to a strong start and looked unstoppable in 2020. Then the coronavirus broke out → https://is.gd/S7ZVsc | 14:11 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +109 cases (now 116245), +2 recoveries (now 64438) 🔶 Sweden: +61 cases (now 325) 🔶 Spain: +35 cases (now 1547) 🔸 Afghanistan: +1 cases (now 5) 🔸 Albania: +8 cases (now 10) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +10 cases (now 103) 🔸 Austria: +26 cases (now 157) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +2 cases (now 11) 🔸 Bahrain: +1 cases (now 110) 🔸 Belarus: +3 cases (now 9), +2 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Belgiu | 14:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Marseille cruise tests passengers, US airlines slash flights → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 14:25 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +85 cases (now 116330) 🔶 Spain: +75 cases (now 1622) 🔸 Afghanistan: +1 cases (now 5) 🔸 Albania: +8 cases (now 10) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +10 cases (now 103) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +6 cases (now 54) 🔸 Austria: +26 cases (now 157) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +2 cases (now 11) 🔸 Bahrain: +1 cases (now 110) 🔸 Belarus: +3 cases (now 9), +2 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Belgium: +28 cases | 14:38 |
| contingo | %cases uk | 14:39 |
| Brainstorm | contingo: In all areas, UK, there are 321 cases, 5 deaths (1.6% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 05:53:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=UK for time series data. | 14:39 |
| contingo | hmm only two more added since 9AM yesterday | 14:40 |
| LjL | i'm here | 14:42 |
| LjL | time to read the new decree, assuming it's any different from the old one except extended to the whole country | 14:42 |
| CatButtes[m] | contingo: Doesn't the UK update at 1400GMT? | 14:44 |
| underscore | hello LjL | 14:44 |
| LjL | hmm, it's the same as before with the addition of "forbidding any form of assemblies of people in public or open to the public places" | 14:44 |
| LjL | and also banning any sports activities (that were already stopped except for soccer stubbornly wanting to continue, because you can't stop soccer) | 14:44 |
| LjL | but people can still go to work regardless of which kind of work it is, so i still expect this to be uneffective | 14:45 |
| pwr22 | UK data appears more often | 14:45 |
| darsie | So no jogging or riding bicycles? | 14:46 |
| CatButtes[m] | Peter Roberts: Do you know where that UK data is sourced from? Latest I am seeing is 9am yeaterday with 280 infected from PHE? | 14:48 |
| sneep | I wish my job could be suspended for a while | 14:49 |
| pwr22 | The link the bot gives | 14:49 |
| LjL | darsie, well you can ride a bicycle to go to work i suppose | 14:49 |
| LjL | and you can job as long as you hide from police cars | 14:49 |
| LjL | jog* | 14:50 |
| LjL | sneep, i wish Lombardy suspecnded all work activities... but your country is one of the few that seems to have this under control, so there is that | 14:50 |
| darsie | So they really meant personal sport activities, not going to a stadium. | 14:51 |
| pwr22 | @catbuttes:matrix.org: http://offloop.net/covid19h/unconfirmed.csv | 14:51 |
| CatButtes[m] | Peter Roberts: Thank you! | 14:52 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +61 cases (now 116391) 🔶 Netherlands: +61 cases (now 382) 🔸 Afghanistan: +1 cases (now 5) 🔸 Albania: +8 cases (now 10) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +10 cases (now 103) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +6 cases (now 54) 🔸 Austria: +26 cases (now 157) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +2 cases (now 11) 🔸 Bahrain: +1 cases (now 110) 🔸 Belarus: +3 cases (now 9), +2 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Belgium: +28 | 14:52 |
| pwr22 | !cases uk | 14:52 |
| pwr22 | Last update around 5am | 14:52 |
| CatButtes[m] | Seems more up to date than what the government is putting out at the moment | 14:53 |
| darsie | LjL: I only see bans of large sports events in the news, nothing about personal activities. | 14:58 |
| LjL | darsie, personal activities in private places are not restricted | 15:00 |
| LjL | https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074351/coronavirus-can-travel-twice-far-official-safe-distance-and-stay ← study that was retracted for no specified reason | 15:01 |
| sneep | http://alugy.com/europe/amazon-microsoft-joins-italys-initiative-to-offer-free-wi-fi-ebooks-unlimited-mobile-data/ Interesting | 15:02 |
| LjL | cool, every mobile operator is doing that except mine | 15:03 |
| LjL | Wind sure went downhill when it merged with Tre | 15:03 |
| sneep | lol | 15:03 |
| LjL | Fastweb is only offering it for PAYG SIMs, which is also a shame since that's what my sister has (but on contract) | 15:04 |
| LjL | also funny i learn of this from a foreign website | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +36 cases (now 116427), +12 recoveries (now 64450) 🔸 Afghanistan: +1 cases (now 5) 🔸 Albania: +8 cases (now 10) 🔸 Argentina: +5 cases (now 17) 🔸 Australia: +10 cases (now 103) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +6 cases (now 54) 🔸 Queensland, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Austria: +26 cases (now 157) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +2 cases (now 11) 🔸 Bahrain: +1 cases (now 110) 🔸 Belarus: +3 cases (now 9), +2 rec | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Harvard orders students to vacate, US airlines slash flights → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 15:06 |
| TraderOne[m] | %data paraguay | 15:17 |
| Brainstorm | TraderOne[m]: In all areas, Paraguay, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Sun Mar 8 10:13:16 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Paraguay for time series data. | 15:17 |
| CatButtes[m] | LjL: worth getting a payg sim for the freebies? | 15:18 |
| LjL | CatButtes[m], sneep: probably not, i'm reading and you need a SPID to get these various "freebies". a SPID is a unique digital identification account for Italians, but most people don't have it yet. i expect it is much harder to get now (next to impossible?) if you don't already have one | 15:19 |
| LjL | and i imagine the reason for requiring a SPID is so you can't get multiple freebies | 15:19 |
| LjL | the government is considering halting payment of bills and taxes | 15:20 |
| LjL | but where do they get the money to buy medical supplies then? | 15:20 |
| bigfoot[m] | Interessting page: https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus | 15:23 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "but where do they get the money "> HP printers 😆 | 15:26 |
| LjL | the "freebies" are all listed here https://solidarietadigitale.agid.gov.it/#/ but most of them are "updating" their access mode based on the new decree, meaning for now, you don't get anything | 15:31 |
| LjL | others will inform people via SMS, but we haven't got any of that | 15:31 |
| LjL | bigfoot[m], yes, that's interesting, i will add it to the list of links in the topic | 15:32 |
| LjL | "what if"? come on | 15:34 |
| LjL | why's everybody still blind, it's already happening | 15:34 |
| contingo | hmm what if there might be some threat of a pandemic ahead at some point? | 15:36 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: "what if" where? | 15:37 |
| mefistofeles | ah saw it | 15:37 |
| LjL | yeah | 15:37 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: and no, it's not happening, tbh | 15:37 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, Germany | 15:37 |
| LjL | how on earth is it not happening, how do you think Germany is going to contain >1000 cases | 15:37 |
| mefistofeles | but yeah, it's a weak what of | 15:37 |
| mefistofeles | if* | 15:38 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: the bad thing about Italy is not that, but the death rate | 15:38 |
| mefistofeles | no need to contain it when people are not dying, basically | 15:38 |
| mefistofeles | therefore, Germany :P | 15:38 |
| LjL | Germany cannot magically have a 0% death rate for long | 15:39 |
| mefistofeles | it has 2 deaths now | 15:39 |
| mefistofeles | but yeah, still pretty low | 15:39 |
| mefistofeles | and most things are going on as usual here | 15:39 |
| LjL | this disease is fatal in critical cases and we don't know what to do about that medically, so even better healthcare, while obviously helpful, won't prevent a LARGE number of deaths in the >60yo population | 15:39 |
| mefistofeles | which I find it surprising, tbh | 15:39 |
| LjL | yes, they are going on as usual because governments are acting as blind as the Guardian's "what if" | 15:40 |
| LjL | the fact that things are going on as usual should scare you, not relieve you | 15:40 |
| mefistofeles | I don't really have reasons for being scare, tbh | 15:40 |
| LjL | good for you | 15:40 |
| mefistofeles | but that's from case to case, I guess | 15:40 |
| mefistofeles | person to person | 15:40 |
| mefistofeles | we can already see Germany and US cases rate peaking, so it should get a bit better from now on, if things stay that way | 15:43 |
| mefistofeles | and still the hospitals are working well enough, in general... which the same cannot be said for some Italian hospitals, sadly :( | 15:44 |
| mefistofeles | also cases there are still growing exponentially, it seems | 15:44 |
| contingo | the vague UK gov position is more like, we will very probably have a large epidemic soon, and need to similarly lockdown at some point, but indefinite lockdown is infeasible so it needs to be timed to have maximum impact on spread | 15:45 |
| mefistofeles | so yeah, I think there are plenty of differences between Italy and Germany or France | 15:45 |
| mefistofeles | why? that's actually a mystery to me, and maybe something interesting going on there | 15:46 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +60 cases (now 116541), +103 recoveries (now 64553) 🔶 UK: +52 cases (now 373) 🔶 Spain: +4 cases (now 1650), +103 recoveries (now 135) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Gansu, Mainland China: +1 cases (now 125) | 15:46 |
| LjL | Italian hospitals were working fine when we had as few (yet many) cases as Germany. i'm not sure what makes you think that Germany and the US have already reached a peak. i think they are very far from the true peak. | 15:46 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: the tendency of the data | 15:46 |
| mefistofeles | I don't know the correct term in english, but it'snot just the plain "peak" but rate peak, of course many more cases will be still happening for weeks/month(?) | 15:48 |
| mefistofeles | so basically, the slope of the tangent line, if you want | 15:48 |
| ubLIX | mefistofeles: you're might be dreaming/delusional | 15:48 |
| LjL | from what i can see it may very well just be "jittery" in the data, because one day you have less, the next day more, the next day again less | 15:48 |
| mefistofeles | it has been less consistently for last 3 days or so | 15:49 |
| ubLIX | contingo: apparently the Cheltenham Festival is going ahead (started today) with 250,000 visitors over 4 days :| | 15:49 |
| mefistofeles | which is also the expected behaviour | 15:49 |
| python476 | hi back | 15:50 |
| LjL | hi | 15:50 |
| mefistofeles | so, I studied this paper on the CryoEM structure of the receptor in complex with part of the virion for SAS-CoV-2, it has some pretty interesting things but nothing conclusive, of course | 15:51 |
| contingo | ubLIX: the organizers indefinitely postponed the ~30K attendee NEC (indoor) photography gear expo this weekend, that I had already decided to not attend | 15:51 |
| mefistofeles | *SARS | 15:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Harvard orders students to vacate | L Brands warns on sanitizer hype → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 15:52 |
| python476 | LjL how is it going for you today | 15:53 |
| python476 | no issues ? | 15:53 |
| mefistofeles | the new virus appears to have some mutations changing some hydrophobic aminoacids to polar ones, making the binding more tight, that may give hints onto why it is more contagious | 15:53 |
| LjL | python476, not any in particular, no | 15:53 |
| python476 | great then :) | 15:53 |
| mefistofeles | that is, compared to SARS-CoV | 15:53 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: how many variants are we ? 2 ? | 15:53 |
| python476 | are/have | 15:54 |
| mefistofeles | python476: more, but I don't have the exact number now | 15:54 |
| mefistofeles | more than 2 probably less than 10 | 15:54 |
| python476 | ok | 15:54 |
| python476 | am I misguided thinking we're probably fine overall | 15:54 |
| python476 | by that I mean no 1918 spanish flu catastrophe | 15:54 |
| python476 | lots of monitoring, lots of parallel work on potential medical help (chloroquine and similar tricks) | 15:55 |
| mefistofeles | of course not, nobody sane expects things to go that bad | 15:55 |
| python476 | maybe I'm over paranoid then | 15:55 |
| mefistofeles | yes, it's actually pretty impressive how they got this CryoEM structure that fast!! | 15:55 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | Seems pretty bad to me in Wuhan/Iran/Italy | 15:55 |
| python476 | yeah and there's probably room to improve work rate now that everybody is on it | 15:55 |
| mefistofeles | and you can tell that in any other case that work/paper couldn't have made it to actual publication in Science, but it is a special topic right now | 15:56 |
| mefistofeles | Tangent-Man[m]: still nothing even near to 1918 spanish flu as python476 was implying | 15:56 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | The problem is it's sooo damn infectiouse.. | 15:57 |
| mefistofeles | we are not saying it's good, this is not good in any scenario | 15:57 |
| mefistofeles | it's bad and worse in some regions | 15:57 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | No not Like Spanish Flu...Yet that came in 2 waves as the Virus mutated and came back again. It is impossible to tell at this stage if that will happen. | 15:58 |
| mefistofeles | true, this virus will probably come back in the future, I'd say for sure | 15:58 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | But it's still bad. And I think America are kidding themselves if they think this is over. | 15:58 |
| mefistofeles | we will just have it as another one in our flu season, maybe | 15:58 |
| mefistofeles | Tangent-Man[m]: who is thinking this is over? | 15:59 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | I beleive it's jsut about to start. | 15:59 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, like officially | 15:59 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | mefistofeles, you were saying you thought this had peaked. | 16:00 |
| sneep | they didn't have like 20 cases last week | 16:00 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | How can it peak when on average each person with Covid-19 is giving it to 2 to 4 other people? | 16:01 |
| mefistofeles | Tangent-Man[m]: that's really different from being over | 16:01 |
| mefistofeles | and again, I didn't say just "peaked" | 16:01 |
| mefistofeles | the rate seems to have peaked, though | 16:01 |
| mefistofeles | in some regions | 16:01 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | Probably has more to do with the USA hospitals charging 1000 bucks for the PCR test. | 16:02 |
| mefistofeles | could be | 16:02 |
| mefistofeles | werenç t they charging before? | 16:02 |
| sneep | oops, i was scrolled up and meant, didn't they have like 20 cases last week? @germany | 16:02 |
| mefistofeles | sneep: around 200/300 a week ago, fwiw | 16:03 |
| sneep | what about two weeks ago? | 16:03 |
| mefistofeles | 16 or so | 16:04 |
| mefistofeles | bit higher actually | 16:04 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | Seems to me America is more concerned about the economic consequences to this than the loss of life. | 16:06 |
| sneep | would be cool if soccer could be permanently suspeded | 16:07 |
| mefistofeles | Tangent-Man[m]: ok, it wouldn't be the first time they do that, but also think that a big negative impact on economy could also imply loss of many lives | 16:07 |
| mefistofeles | I'm actually feeling it, and if I were infected it would harder for me to get self-quarantined than before the effects of the virus on economy, just to say an anecdotical case | 16:08 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | I dunno I think overall economic recesion is good for the environment as a whole. | 16:08 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | +Less money to spend on missiles | 16:09 |
| mefistofeles | I don't think it would last long enough to have a significant impact on the environment, tbh | 16:09 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | What a global recession? | 16:09 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | It's allready had some impact in Wuhan.. but yeh probably not enough to reverse global warming for example. | 16:10 |
| mefistofeles | sure, it has effects on instant or local variables, such as air quality | 16:10 |
| mefistofeles | which is good, of course, but doesn't really stop people from getting health conditions because of it, unless you manage to do that for several weeks/months each year | 16:11 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | Less of course industrial manufacturing of chemicals etc. = less pollution. Dpeneds what you consider significant I guess. | 16:11 |
| mefistofeles | which I don't see that happening | 16:11 |
| sneep | Probably almost no effect | 16:12 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | It might make it worse. They might decide to cut down even more of the rain forrest due to removing even more legislation for example to make a quick $ | 16:12 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | I'm not an expert on these things. | 16:13 |
| sneep | I know I'm using more electric power right now due to coronavirus | 16:13 |
| mefistofeles | it could, but also don't see that coming, at least not right now | 16:13 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | It seems like a sweeping statement tho to say that economic collapse neccesarily costs lives. | 16:13 |
| mefistofeles | they will jsut start selling and closing markets | 16:13 |
| mefistofeles | global markets, that is | 16:13 |
| mefistofeles | which is already happening | 16:13 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | You can't eat money. | 16:14 |
| mefistofeles | and which is what affects me directly, because now I'm *really* poor as a foreigner :P | 16:14 |
| mefistofeles | so I cannot afford to get the same stock other people could, for quarantine or for whatever | 16:15 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | Most everyone has less money these days apart from the top 1% | 16:15 |
| mefistofeles | not really, i mean, an apple is still X dollars.... BUT, since I have to convert from other currency to dollars/EUR, that's where it hurts | 16:15 |
| mefistofeles | those other currencies are devaluating fast, by the minute | 16:16 |
| mefistofeles | wherease apples are not changing their price that fast, if at all | 16:16 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | True but hosuing and utilities are getting ridiculous | 16:16 |
| sneep | Are you guys still talking about coronavirus economics? | 16:17 |
| mefistofeles | sneep: butchering it | 16:18 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | I guess we did digress slightly.. | 16:18 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, this is of course on-topic as well, but may not be that interesting, sure | 16:18 |
| sneep | If housing is expensive in your area, try living in a different area | 16:19 |
| mefistofeles | That's not even an option for most people in the world | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:16 UTC: Apple employee in Ireland tests positive for coronavirus in first confirmed case at company: Apple confirmed on Tuesday that an employee in its Cork, Ireland office has tested positive for coronavirus and has self-quarantined. The company said it believes the risk to others remains low. → https://is.gd/rkwPRR | 16:20 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | How can the risk to others remain low when the transmission ration is like 1 person infects 2 to 4 others? | 16:22 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | This virus is a beast. | 16:22 |
| sneep | That's the transmission rate when things aren't going well | 16:22 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | No it's the transmission rate period. | 16:22 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | Things aren't going well. | 16:22 |
| sneep | There are people who pass on the virus to 0 people, and there are people who pass on the virus to dozens of people | 16:23 |
| python476 | what's n^4.. | 16:23 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | It's called exponential growth. | 16:23 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | ! | 16:23 |
| python476 | as a coder, i am acquainted with the concept | 16:23 |
| python476 | we're paid to create data viruses that infect memory | 16:24 |
| JX7P | %cases Scotland | 16:24 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +229 cases (now 116770) 🔶 France: +194 cases (now 1606) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 31) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Gansu, Mainland China: +1 cases (now 125) 🔸 Hubei, Mainland China: +2 recoveries (now 47743) 🔸 Malta: +1 cases (now 5) 🔸 Moldova: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Viet | 16:24 |
| python476 | although we're supposed to control the spread ~_~ | 16:24 |
| Brainstorm | JX7P: 3 lest ah googled (45 seconds ago) | 16:24 |
| JX7P | Brainstorm: google again | 16:25 |
| JX7P | it's 27 | 16:25 |
| ubLIX | JX7P: Lothian still in the lead :| - guess where I am | 16:28 |
| oxalis | %travis | 16:31 |
| oxalis | %data travis | 16:32 |
| Brainstorm | oxalis: Sorry, travis not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 16:32 |
| oxalis | %data san diego | 16:32 |
| Brainstorm | oxalis: In San Diego County, CA, US, there are 3 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 02:05:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=San%20Diego%20County,%20CA for time series data. | 16:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Harvard orders students to vacate | 'Ghost flights' in Europe → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 16:34 |
| tinwhiskers | mefistofeles: I'm not selling any evidence of the rate peaking anywhere except South Korea. The US isn't peaking. | 16:41 |
| tinwhiskers | *seeing | 16:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, oh course China has peaked as well. | 16:41 |
| pwr22 | !cases china | 16:42 |
| pwr22 | Recovery rate still creeping up so yeah looks like it | 16:42 |
| tinwhiskers | I mean peaking in terms of the rate of new infections | 16:43 |
| python476 | tinwhiskers: can't wait for monthly update from china | 16:44 |
| python476 | +250000 cases | 16:44 |
| python476 | thank you good night | 16:44 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: sure, I guess it's too soon to tell, but there is some tendency, I wouldn't call it evidence, though | 16:46 |
| python476 | I kid you not, "Contagion 2011" movie is trending | 16:46 |
| python476 | sorry I'm distracting | 16:46 |
| mefistofeles | I think I never saw that one | 16:47 |
| tinwhiskers | Well, I don't even see a tendency in the US. Figures are well up today on the last couple of days. | 16:47 |
| python476 | it was pretty boring and passed as realist | 16:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:42 UTC: Coronavirus: Harvard moves classes online, tells students don't return after spring break: Harvard University told students Tuesday that all classes will be taught online starting March 23 and instructed all students to move out of their dorms by Sunday due to the coronavirus outbreak. → https://is.gd/6Ill6D | 16:47 |
| mefistofeles | but it was actually recommended by a friend before all of this outbreak thing | 16:47 |
| mefistofeles | like in december or so | 16:47 |
| ubLIX | python476: i thought so too and years ago put it in the pile of dvds to get rid of. then i watched it last week, and the present circumstances certainly through a new emotional light over the film | 16:48 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: you can easily say the last two days showed less new daily cases than the last two previous days, sure, still too soon | 16:49 |
| mefistofeles | I mean in US France Germany and even Iran, last time I checked | 16:49 |
| ubLIX | it's probably not a bad thing it's trending, if it contributes even slightly to a widespread cautiousness of behaviour | 16:49 |
| python476 | ubLIX: :) | 16:49 |
| tinwhiskers | mefistofeles: i don't think you're looking at the latest data. Yesterday you could have said that. | 16:50 |
| ubLIX | *through>throw | 16:50 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: have you seen a website curating the recent list of potential medical aids for covid ? | 16:50 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: I'm looking up to 9 march, true | 16:50 |
| python476 | ubLIX: probably. edutainment 2020 edition | 16:50 |
| ubLIX | mefistofeles: i don't think the last two or three day's data can be taken as signal in the way you want | 16:52 |
| mefistofeles | ubLIX: Iç m not talking it as anything, I'm just saying what they showed | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +50 cases (now 116820) 🔶 Japan: +38 cases (now 581) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 31) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Croatia: +1 cases (now 14) 🔸 Norway: +5 cases (now 257) 🔸 Qatar: +6 cases (now 24) | 16:53 |
| mefistofeles | python476: no, no idea about that | 16:53 |
| mefistofeles | you can also see how the exponent is different for those cases compared to Italy, so there's also that... not sure how different but that should be easy to check | 16:58 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: aight | 16:58 |
| python476 | gonna poke reddit | 16:58 |
| mefistofeles | which was the original thing about Europe being already in the same situation of Italy, which doesn't seem to be the case... now, how different/similar? Who knows xD not an easy question | 16:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Harvard orders students to vacate | 'Ghost flights' in Europe → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 17:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Dow whipsaws | Harvard orders students to vacate | Insurers waive co-pays → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 17:15 |
| fructose | http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-03/05/c_138846529.htm | 17:25 |
| fructose | https://112.international/society/covid-19-may-harm-central-nervous-system-medics-49272.html | 17:25 |
| fructose | https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/pediatrics/113/1/e73.full.pdf | 17:26 |
| fructose | Not sure if related, but caught my eye | 17:26 |
| mefistofeles | how a "disorder of conciousness" is defined? do you know? | 17:30 |
| yuriwho | there is definitely a neurological component that appears to be connected with ARDS | 17:33 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +58 cases (now 116878), +2 deaths (now 4090), +2 recoveries (now 64555) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 31) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Chile: +4 cases (now 17) 🔸 Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 13) 🔸 Croatia: +1 cases (now 14) 🔸 | 17:33 |
| ubLIX | mefistofeles: exact interpretations will vary by country/medical system but this gives a general idea: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_coma_scale (includes links to other scoring systems) | 17:33 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/07/coronavirus-reasons-to-be-reassured | 17:37 |
| mefistofeles | ubLIX: ah thanks | 17:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY establishes containment zone | Dow whipsaws | Harvard orders students to vacate → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 17:56 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +150 cases (now 117028), +8 recoveries (now 64563) 🔶 Denmark: +106 cases (now 262) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 30) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 31) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Channel Islands: +1 cases (now 2) 🔸 Chile | 18:00 |
| CatButtes[m] | https://twitter.com/J__Velasquez/status/1237413194467082241 | 18:02 |
| Timvde | %cases Belgium | 18:03 |
| Brainstorm | Timvde: In all areas, Belgium, there are 267 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 12:53:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgium for time series data. | 18:03 |
| LjL | italy's numbers for today are coming soon(ish) | 18:03 |
| Timvde | The first Belgian citizen has died apparently, but they were not in Belgium | 18:04 |
| Timvde | I'm not sure if that counts :P | 18:04 |
| Timvde | (And I actually think that it also wasn't very clear yet if it was corona or just a regular flu) | 18:04 |
| LjL | a virus that almost certainly has a neurological component, meaning among other things we probably won't get it out of our systems, and that we can delay but sooner or later, we will get | 18:06 |
| LjL | i'd rather have a giant meteorite right now | 18:06 |
| oxalis | %data Texas | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | oxalis: In TX, US, there are 14 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 16:13:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:08 |
| oxalis | %cases Texas | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | oxalis: In TX, US, there are 14 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 16:13:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:08 |
| LjL | the governor of Lombardy appears to be fighting with the central government because he wants stricter measures (closing all but essential activities) but the government doesn't | 18:09 |
| LjL | for once i'm siding with him, despite being League party | 18:09 |
| LjL | press conference of civil protection starting | 18:09 |
| LjL | recovered: +280 | 18:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:03 UTC: (news): New York Gov. Cuomo deploys National Guard to New Rochelle, establishes containment center to stem coronavirus → https://is.gd/rYEMPy | 18:10 |
| LjL | deaths: +168 | 18:10 |
| LjL | age groups among deaths: 2% are 50-59, 8% are 60-69, 32% are 70-79, 45% are 80-89, 14% >90 | 18:11 |
| LjL | new cases: +529 officially, but they are missing some recent updates from Lombardy | 18:11 |
| LjL | total 8514 | 18:12 |
| LjL | 5038 are hospitalized with symptoms | 18:12 |
| LjL | 2059 are at home | 18:12 |
| LjL | 876 are in ICU | 18:12 |
| LjL | 10% of positives | 18:12 |
| LjL | they are still acquiring ventilators and PPEs, masks in particular | 18:12 |
| LjL | 300k masks distributed today | 18:13 |
| dunnp | working to move my class online now | 18:13 |
| LjL | >1m predicted to be distributed starting tomorrow | 18:13 |
| LjL | 2264 ventilators for ICU, 1600 for sub-ICU will be delivered within the next... something | 18:14 |
| LjL | 5 people had to be transferred from Lombardy to other regions because of unavailability of beds | 18:15 |
| LjL | they had to deny some "fake news" today (sigh), such as ones including future evolution purported to come from the civil protection, which weren't true | 18:15 |
| LjL | now the president of ISS will speak | 18:15 |
| LjL | an epidemiology report will be available twice a week starting today, on tuesdays and fridays, on the ISS "epicenter" site | 18:17 |
| LjL | question: when will we be able to see the effects of the measures adopted by the government? what about Lombardy wanting to close down more things? | 18:19 |
| LjL | answer: the measures taken will not take effect instantaneously, but will be related to the incubation times, which can reach up to 14 days, although most frequently symptoms manifest between 4 and 7 days | 18:20 |
| LjL | so as an example, behaviors of people getting together in small crowded spaces, which have happened in the past few days, if someone there was infected, a significant part of the others may be infected in the span of a week | 18:20 |
| LjL | these things can be avoided if we are all aware of this risk. so in perspective, if we behave this way, in a week or so we will see the curves starting to flatten, which will give those who get sick the chance of getting best treatment | 18:21 |
| LjL | about Lombardy's requests to close down shops and public offices, i believe this request has to be evaluated, so i have no elements to provide an answer to this request | 18:22 |
| LjL | question: a detail about Lombardy. today appears to be the first time new case data are alower, but you said you are missing an update, so what do you expect? also, what about numbers in younger people? | 18:22 |
| LjL | answer: i can confirm these are the data coming from Lombardy, to tell the truth if we take into account the recoveries, the datum on positives is actually going down. we *were* told there is a delay in testing, but we will only know more about this tomorrow | 18:23 |
| LjL | about age groups, you will find some of these data in the aforementioned epidemiological report | 18:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: First NJ death | NY establishes containment zone | Dow whipsaws → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 18:23 |
| LjL | this kind of report doesn't aim to be timely, but to see a trend | 18:23 |
| LjL | we have evidence there's about 5 to 7% of people getting infected before 30, which does confirm older people are more likely to catch it, but it also confirms the behavior of these younger group can be decisive | 18:24 |
| LjL | question: we've talked a lot in the past few days about the needed healthcare structures and instruments. what about the situation? | 18:24 |
| LjL | answer: we don't have criticalities in other regions [aside from Lombardy], which are actually providing beds for Lombardy patients. there's a program to make the existing structures more powerful anyway. | 18:25 |
| LjL | question: about securing face masks, you talked about it, but they still cannot be obtained, just like alcohol and other common hygiene items you can normally buy in supermarkets. do you expect to be able to provide more of these? | 18:26 |
| LjL | answer: first on your question i want to take the opportunity to tell people NOT to hoard goods, because if demand goes beyond offer, you won't find goods. we remind that food and other goods are still being delivered regularly, so there is no reason to rush and hoard. | 18:27 |
| LjL | last question: about tests, can we hypothize asymptomatic patients could also be tested, or testing the entire population, or the whole of Lombardy? and another question, about ICU, how long does it take on average for a patient to leave ICU? this is to udnerstand how taxed the structures are | 18:28 |
| LjL | answer: about tests, you know we have adopted an indication by the ISS to only use tests on symptomatic people, and/or close contacts. other policies on tests have not been evaluated yet, but there are experiences at the international level, these will be evaluated when the results are available | 18:29 |
| LjL | we could do blanket testing in Vo' because it was a very small town, but with the data we have today countrywide, it apepars impossible to extend that method to the whole population | 18:29 |
| LjL | that said, we are facing a new form of epidemic, so any knowledge we develop, any new diagnostic abilities, will drive any new strategies to adopt | 18:30 |
| LjL | (inaudible question) | 18:30 |
| LjL | those who end up in ICU usually leave ICU and stay hospitalized with milder symptoms, then remain positive but asymptomatic, and then after they are negative twice, they can go back to the community | 18:30 |
| LjL | the actual duration of time spent in ICU is highly variable depending on age groups | 18:31 |
| LjL | very last question: there's been talk of a commissioner to help with the situation. would this be useful, and what for? | 18:31 |
| LjL | i think the PM has been clear on this: there is an enormous work to be done for acquiring goods and services, and our civil protection center has become a hub taking all sorts of requests from regional administrations and all public institution | 18:32 |
| LjL | i still believe any decision that goes in the direction of making the system more powerful is always welcome, although i believe we are adequately facing the situation | 18:32 |
| LjL | --- end | 18:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live at 17:31 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Conferenza stampa 10 marzo 2020 ore 18.00 – Coronavirus - YouTube → https://is.gd/V0lFmN | 18:37 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +1064 cases (now 118092), +280 recoveries (now 64843) 🔶 Norway: +40 cases (now 304) 🔶 Italy: +977 cases (now 10149), +280 recoveries (now 1004) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 30) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 31) 🔸 Cambod | 18:40 |
| yuriwho | just imagine how tough this is for people stuck watch MSM TV that don't have diverse communities to inform/discuss | 18:43 |
| phil | https://twitter.com/MicrobiomDigest/status/1237422502025949185?s=19 | 18:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:42 UTC: Watch: HHS Secretary Alex Azar to discuss US coronavirus response: Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar provided an update on the Trump administration's response to the coronavirus outbreak. → https://is.gd/CLHfnh | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: First NJ death, NY establishes containment zone, Dow whipsaws → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 19:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +132 cases (now 118224), +168 deaths (now 4258), +63 recoveries (now 64906) 🔶 Malaysia: +63 recoveries (now 87) 🔶 Italy: +168 deaths (now 631) 🔶 Germany: +120 cases (now 1437) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 30) 🔸 | 19:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Walmart deploys leave policy, first NJ death, NY establishes containment zone → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 19:18 |
| LjL | Spain looks critical | 19:23 |
| LjL | if Germany and France are keeping cases under control (although i think it's early to say that), Spain definitely isn't | 19:23 |
| oxalis | I think the USA is not going to do anything | 19:24 |
| LjL | yesterday's press conference didn't sound like they are | 19:25 |
| mefistofeles | I don't even know what's Germany doing, if anything special other than the common WHO things | 19:26 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: the exponential growth is less in Germany or France, compared to Italy or Spain | 19:27 |
| LjL | so it would seem. i don't consider Italy even in the same league | 19:27 |
| mefistofeles | yes | 19:28 |
| mefistofeles | true | 19:28 |
| LjL | but until a few days ago, Germany, France and Spain were similar, and if anything Spain was behind | 19:28 |
| mefistofeles | depends on what you are talking about, in number of cases, sure | 19:28 |
| LjL | now Spain is looking like it'll be the next major outbreak to me | 19:28 |
| mefistofeles | but Iç m talking about the exponent in the exponential fit, for example | 19:28 |
| LjL | i have done no calculations, and i am not good at doing them, but from the sheer looks of the graph, Spain looks... a lot more exponential than others. it reminds me of Italy's graph, despite nearly an order of magnitude fewer cases | 19:29 |
| LjL | also France's growth today is worrisome, *if* the "non-authoritative" data in tinwhiskers's graphs are correct | 19:30 |
| LjL | if they are then they were probably underestimating new cases in the past couple of days | 19:30 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: yes, if that's confirmed, that's the case | 19:31 |
| mefistofeles | but I've found this non-authoritative data to always give a higher number of cases than the actual report, in the few cases I've checked, which aren't that many tbh | 19:31 |
| mefistofeles | gah, ifonly I could do this stuff, but I'm really busy with other things | 19:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:26 UTC: Coronavirus: Harvard moves classes online, tells students not to return after spring break: Harvard University told students Tuesday that all classes will be taught online starting March 23 and instructed all students to move out of their dorms by Sunday due to the coronavirus outbreak. → https://is.gd/6Ill6D | 19:32 |
| LjL | contingo, yuriwho: there is this video https://youtu.be/U7F1cnWup9M?t=93 which is quite technical to me, might sounds like biology 101 to you, i'm not sure, anyway it talks about zinc and the fact it inhibits an enzyme the virus uses, but only if you can get it inside cells, which you normally can't, except chloroquine is a ionophore that allows that to happen | 19:34 |
| LjL | you mentioned chloroquine as seeming a promising treatment, not sure if that was already in combination with zinc | 19:34 |
| yuriwho | I am currently watching it and not impressed. I'll give an update after I finish watching it | 19:35 |
| LjL | ah, alright | 19:36 |
| mefistofeles | today we found that the B⁰AT1 protein can be a good candidate for treatment or vaccine | 19:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 18:43 UTC: COMITATO INTERMINISTERIALE PER LA PROGRAMMAZIONE ECONOMICA - DELIBERA 21 novembre 2019: Linea ferroviaria alta velocita'/alta capacita' (AV/AC)Milano-Verona. Tratta Brescia-Verona: lotto funzionale BresciaEst-Verona (escluso nodo di Verona). Autorizzazione del 2° [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/hwbPki | 19:46 |
| yuriwho | OK, the chloroquine/Zn connection is just a theory, no more than that. Preliminary Phase II data would be published by now if chloroquine was indeed having major effects. We expect to see publication of muddy data soon and useful data this summer. Please DO NOT self medicate based on rumors/hype. The high doses used in these preliminary studies are likely to be harmful. FYI I spent about 4 hours yesterday researching | 19:48 |
| yuriwho | Chloroquine in general and it may be useful in treatment but no medical data to support that notion has been published in a peer reviewed journal, nor in any detailed fashion. | 19:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Walmart's leave policy, NJ's first death, NY's containment zone → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 20:00 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +203 cases (now 118427), +1 deaths (now 4259), +2 recoveries (now 64908) 🔶 France: +178 cases (now 1784) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 30) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 31) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now | 20:00 |
| mefistofeles | oh noes, they cancelled one of the events :( | 20:12 |
| oxalis | which one? | 20:12 |
| darsie | 6 doctors contracted covid-19 from a patient in Austria. | 20:13 |
| darsie | %data austria | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | darsie: In all areas, Austria, there are 182 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 4 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 17:13:16 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria for time series data. | 20:13 |
| mefistofeles | oxalis: https://www.mpibpc.mpg.de/grubmueller/huenfeld | 20:13 |
| skyofdust | %data mexico | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | skyofdust: In all areas, Mexico, there are 7 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 4 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 06:13:07 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mexico for time series data. | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:08 UTC: NYC coronavirus cases are 'coming in so intensely now,' Mayor de Blasio says: Private labs that began running coronavirus tests in New York City on Friday are reporting so many new cases that public officials are having trouble keeping up. → https://is.gd/UY6LV8 | 20:13 |
| oxalis | %Tijuana | 20:14 |
| ryouma | yuriwho: i am not sure but chloroquine might be closely related to fluoroquinolones enough to be a risk for fluoroquinolone poisoning, or a risk for those who were knowinglyor unknowningly so poisoned. | 20:14 |
| oxalis | %data Tijuana | 20:14 |
| Brainstorm | oxalis: Sorry, Tijuana not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 20:14 |
| mirsal | %data lyon | 20:14 |
| Brainstorm | mirsal: Sorry, lyon not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 20:14 |
| ryouma | %data ct | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In CT, US, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 16:13:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 20:15 |
| skyofdust | %data france | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | skyofdust: In all areas, France, there are 1784 cases, 30 deaths (1.7% of cases), 12 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 19:30:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 20:15 |
| ryouma | %data tokyo | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: Sorry, tokyo not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 20:15 |
| ryouma | %data japan | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In all areas, Japan, there are 581 cases, 10 deaths (1.7% of cases), 102 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 19:30:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Japan for time series data. | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 20:15 |
| oxalis | fack | 20:22 |
| tinwhiskers | mefistofeles: I'm beginning to agree about the unconfirmed data. I think there's a high chance that some of the cases are double-counted. The sources they are using are pretty wild. But they still seem to be a reasonable approximation of what you'll see from the confirmed JH stats. | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:25 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Walmart's leave policy, NJ's first death, NY's containment zone → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 20:27 |
| fedorafan | hey | 20:29 |
| tinwhiskers | Hi fedorafan | 20:30 |
| fedorafan | coronavirus banned me | 20:30 |
| fedorafan | too much rep shit | 20:31 |
| oxalis | what is rep shit? | 20:31 |
| tinwhiskers | o.O | 20:31 |
| fedorafan | pro republicans they seem to prefer the others | 20:31 |
| oxalis | oh | 20:31 |
| pwr22 | I was also wondering | 20:32 |
| CatButtes[m] | And I’m assuming you mean /r/Coronavirus on reddit? | 20:32 |
| tinwhiskers | My guess is they prefer it to not be too political at all | 20:32 |
| fedorafan | ah no | 20:32 |
| fedorafan | here you have ##coronavirus | 20:32 |
| fedorafan | well | 20:32 |
| fedorafan | pro dems | 20:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Invitation only :-( | 20:32 |
| fedorafan | oh rly | 20:32 |
| fedorafan | ah sry # one | 20:33 |
| pwr22 | We don't really have any politics in here so welcome 🙂 | 20:33 |
| oxalis | are we so divided now that the lefties and righties have to have separate diseases now? | 20:33 |
| fedorafan | lol | 20:33 |
| pwr22 | Huh, is it providing support for coronavirus lol? | 20:33 |
| ryouma | i was concerned about mass atrocities and war before the virus. i am more concerned now. | 20:33 |
| tinwhiskers | fedorafan: but we also don't want this to be political here | 20:34 |
| fedorafan | ahh are you admin | 20:34 |
| tinwhiskers | *too political | 20:34 |
| CatButtes[m] | Fuck that. Disease is true communism. Everybody is equal in the eyes of the virus. Or something like that anyway... | 20:34 |
| fedorafan | lol | 20:34 |
| fedorafan | yeah but you can be polite and say hey stop that whatever but fine | 20:34 |
| fedorafan | they say you talk shit bla and so go away | 20:35 |
| fedorafan | I said hey man what was the problem say it and no answer boom | 20:35 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh | 20:35 |
| fedorafan | ok I see next ban | 20:35 |
| oxalis | I pissed another channel the other day by saying that I think the death rate is definately below 1% | 20:35 |
| fedorafan | where | 20:35 |
| LjL | please let's not talk about what happens in other channels | 20:35 |
| fedorafan | ahh I know him | 20:36 |
| fedorafan | he was there too | 20:36 |
| pwr22 | <fedorafan "ok I see next ban"> ? | 20:36 |
| fedorafan | *too political | 20:36 |
| LjL | yes, and i run this channel, and i've seen you say mostly what seemed nonsense to me, so unless you act different here, don't expect a different treatment, really | 20:36 |
| fedorafan | ahhh its yours too | 20:36 |
| fedorafan | ok what was nonsense? | 20:37 |
| LjL | pretty much everything, really, you just keep pressing Enter on sentence fragments | 20:37 |
| tinwhiskers | You're just ranting. Calm down and think about what you're wanting to say. | 20:37 |
| LjL | indeed. | 20:37 |
| fedorafan | if someone says what you say is shit you feel like what | 20:37 |
| LjL | also i'm sure you have not seen me mention other channels in there. just saying. | 20:37 |
| fedorafan | if I say tell me what was the problem and there comes nothing | 20:37 |
| fedorafan | fine | 20:37 |
| fedorafan | I stop | 20:37 |
| pwr22 | fedorafan: this channel is very reasonable so no need to worry about being unduly banned but this isn't really on topic so please do feel free to chat about the virus 😁 | 20:38 |
| fedorafan | yeah | 20:38 |
| pwr22 | 👍️ | 20:38 |
| commandocrypto[m | > if I say tell me what was the problem and there comes nothing | 20:38 |
| commandocrypto[m | Hes being kind just accept whatever welcome you still seem to have retained | 20:38 |
| oxalis | They assumed I was pushing Fox News agenda... I just believe there are sooooo many undocumented mild and asymptomatic cases that the actual death rate is lower than reported | 20:39 |
| commandocrypto[m | %data uk | 20:39 |
| fedorafan | I dont judge it | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +15846 cases (now 134273), +297 deaths (now 4556), +3081 recoveries (now 67989) 🔶 Norway: +32 cases (now 336) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 30) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 31) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Canada: +3 ca | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | commandocrypto[m: In all areas, UK, there are 373 cases, 6 deaths (1.6% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 17:13:16 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=UK for time series data. | 20:39 |
| pwr22 | !cases uk | 20:39 |
| LjL | oxalis, i don't, because i feel there's been enough extensive testing in places like the UK and China now to rule out a "hidden sea" of asymptomatic cases. there are some, sure, but not such a substantial number. it was a perfectly reasonable theory... until it just seemed wrong. | 20:40 |
| pwr22 | Huh, death rate is creeping up | 20:40 |
| wormfarm | where is it creeping up? | 20:40 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL++ | 20:40 |
| pwr22 | uk | 20:40 |
| CatButtes[m] | Uk I suspect | 20:40 |
| fedorafan | so what are the flu death rates? | 20:40 |
| fedorafan | I said its 4000 in wuhan | 20:40 |
| tinwhiskers | About 0.1% | 20:40 |
| LjL | less than 0.4% i believe, although it definitely varies by year | 20:41 |
| fedorafan | october to may | 20:41 |
| CatButtes[m] | The UK seems to be roughly where Italy was 10 days ago. Hopefully it doesn’t follow the same curve | 20:41 |
| fedorafan | now we have 2404? | 20:41 |
| fedorafan | and is it all by corona? | 20:41 |
| commandocrypto[m | Also consider us isnt testing enought either (and wont be, VP pence took back what he said about 1mil test kits "soon") | 20:41 |
| fedorafan | or also flu how do they measure it | 20:41 |
| tinwhiskers | fedorafan: slow down! | 20:41 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "oxalis, i don't, because i feel "> I'm not sure uk has been testing non-symptomatic people though? | 20:41 |
| LjL | fedorafan, deaths ascribed to coronavirus are from people who have tested positive. they are not from people who just had flu. | 20:41 |
| fedorafan | so they have corona and no flu? | 20:42 |
| fedorafan | where are the reports | 20:42 |
| commandocrypto[m | > The UK seems to be roughly where Italy was 10 days ago. Hopefully it doesn’t follow the same curve | 20:42 |
| commandocrypto[m | Sadly the severity of outbreak seems to correlate to behavior of public in the 2 weeks before community transmission. So uk is kill | 20:42 |
| LjL | pwr22, no, but it has tested mildly symptomatic people (namely everyone who came in with shortness of breath, without anything else) and they didn't find a large number of cases there. and that's people who sort of *are* symptomatic... yet the rates were very low... | 20:42 |
| fedorafan | flu+corona death what is it counted pro flu or pro corona? | 20:42 |
| skyofdust | Mathematically and statistically, death rate should be lower and there should be a lot of undocumented cases... a death definitely doesn't go unnoticed, but mild infections could, I see why you think that oxalis | 20:42 |
| oxalis | that was my reasoning | 20:43 |
| LjL | fedorafan, criteria depends on the country. | 20:43 |
| fedorafan | what are the criterias | 20:43 |
| LjL | they very depending on the country. | 20:43 |
| fedorafan | wuhan | 20:43 |
| oxalis | but Im not even an amature statistician so I'm here to learn | 20:43 |
| fedorafan | so the can guarantee someone died of corona not of flue | 20:43 |
| fedorafan | though he got both? | 20:43 |
| LjL | fedorafan, they varied even in Wuhan during the epidemic. it was generally rumored that China ascribed many deaths to other causes, like "viral pneumonia", instead of directly ascribing them to COVID-19 | 20:44 |
| fedorafan | where are the sources | 20:44 |
| mefistofeles | woah, big number of deads for Italy in the last couple of days | 20:44 |
| oxalis | I will say this - from what I'm seeing on the ground in Texas, it doesn't inspire much confidence in the USA's ability to do the tests and track the numbers | 20:44 |
| mefistofeles | didn't notice that | 20:44 |
| LjL | fedorafan, you cannot "guarantee" anything of the sort, but it seems very reasonable to me that if you get COVID-19, which is a serious illness, and then die, COVID-19 was at least partly responsible | 20:44 |
| commandocrypto[m | In wuhan they are counting wuflu poz deaths as "building collapse" and "building fire" | 20:44 |
| pwr22 | !cases us | 20:44 |
| fedorafan | so you dont know it but claim it | 20:44 |
| commandocrypto[m | I dont believe there was only 70 in that hotel when it collapsed | 20:45 |
| fedorafan | 2404 corona deaths | 20:45 |
| tinwhiskers | Most people who are asymptomatic go on to develop symptoms within 14 days. If there was a sea of asymptomatic people we would have been seeing more cases emerge. The epidemiology just does not support the idea. People who have this gut feeling are just wrong. | 20:45 |
| LjL | fedorafan, okay, see, have a look at the way i type in full sentences, often fairly long, without hitting Enter every three words and demanding information without even waiting for a response. I want you to do the same. | 20:45 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes there are cases but not *that* many | 20:45 |
| fedorafan | its not my way and if you are interested in facts you wouldnt make a problem of that and what I said you couldnt explain its just a well its like that | 20:46 |
| commandocrypto[m | > fedorafan, they varied even in Wuhan during the epidemic. it was generally rumored that China ascribed many deaths to other causes, like "viral pneumonia", instead of directly ascribing them to COVID-19 | 20:46 |
| commandocrypto[m | The japanes man who died in whuhan is a gr8 example: classed as ILI just like they are doing in usa | 20:46 |
| oxalis | tinwhiskers: which 'gut feeling' are you referring to?> | 20:46 |
| tinwhiskers | oxalis: the gut feeling about a sea of asymptomatic people (without evidence for such a thing) | 20:47 |
| LjL | fedorafan, you don't just get to have "your way" when you are in a social setting. do what others do who are here and behave in ways that don't annoy others. | 20:47 |
| fedorafan | well you have to believe that stats chines gov states right | 20:47 |
| commandocrypto[m | He means everyone thinks there are asymptomatic all over | 20:47 |
| pwr22 | <CovBot[m] "In US there have been a total of"> If US was avoiding reporting cases but is forced to report the deaths then it would make the death rate artificially higher right? Does 3.5% seem a little high for the point they're at? | 20:47 |
| commandocrypto[m | But there probably arent. Some countries could be close to erradicating | 20:48 |
| commandocrypto[m | Instead they open their borders | 20:48 |
| fedorafan | social setting oh man | 20:48 |
| astraliam[m] | <commandocrypto[m "I dont believe there was only 70"> why would you collapse a building only to have to pull people out the wreckage again? https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/07/china/china-coronavirus-hotel-collapse/index.html | 20:48 |
| commandocrypto[m | @astraliam:1312.media: kek what is save face | 20:49 |
| fedorafan | I was in a room a guy did the same and it was fine to all and me too | 20:49 |
| fedorafan | otherwise I make focus on the facts that is what I want to have | 20:49 |
| fedorafan | you are the chief | 20:50 |
| CatButtes[m] | fedorafan: when there are a lot of people talking, it is easier to understand what you are saying if you get it all out at once. If you break it up and others talk in between (and they will) people will get pissed at you for making it hard to follow. | 20:50 |
| fedorafan | sure but if I do it in once ahh well its ok | 20:50 |
| LjL | well, it's more okay if you use punctuation and type in full sentences, in general. | 20:51 |
| LjL | i don't want to have to parse things i read on an IRC channel like i'd be parsing telegrams written in 1850 | 20:51 |
| pwr22 | fedorafan: I think the point LjL is trying to make is we can't actually understand what you're replying to or talking about when you do get all fragmented 🥴 | 20:51 |
| LjL | we have enough 2020 problems already... | 20:51 |
| fedorafan | I got you | 20:51 |
| tinwhiskers | Also raise one point, then discuss that. Don't blurt out half a dozen points at once or there's no way to have a decent discussion | 20:52 |
| fedorafan | my point was to say its not clear if its corona or flu | 20:52 |
| pwr22 | If what is covid or flu? | 20:52 |
| fedorafan | corona = covid? | 20:52 |
| pwr22 | I think the tests can tell them apart | 20:53 |
| fedorafan | so if someone get both and he dies what does he count | 20:53 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes, and it was pointed out that the stats for deaths only come from those people who have had positive tests for covid-19 | 20:53 |
| CatButtes[m] | <pwr22 "I think the tests can tell them "> Very much so. If they actually do the tests... | 20:53 |
| pwr22 | People don't often get two illnesses at once for reasons | 20:53 |
| tinwhiskers | They are still considered to have died after contracting coronavirus | 20:53 |
| pwr22 | Unless immunosuppressed | 20:53 |
| commandocrypto[m | Very few have tests. Almost none in africa and usa | 20:54 |
| fedorafan | so they got both and are counted as covid death | 20:54 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes | 20:54 |
| fedorafan | is that ok? | 20:54 |
| LjL | i wouldn't go as far as saying "almost none" in the USA. they certainly could have... more. | 20:54 |
| tinwhiskers | fedorafan: that else would you do? | 20:54 |
| pwr22 | In that case they would be counted as both | 20:54 |
| pwr22 | i would have thought | 20:54 |
| fedorafan | I dont know but its not clear to me | 20:54 |
| LjL | it really does depend on the country, and even without a country, sometimes they change the rules for this. it's a fluid situation. they changed the rules in China, and suddenly there was a spike in cases. they are changing the rules now in Italy, and we have fewer cases. | 20:55 |
| LjL | even within* a country | 20:55 |
| tinwhiskers | People who have seasonal flu then contract the coronavirus are far more likely to die and should be counted in the covid-19 stats | 20:55 |
| fedorafan | thats nonsense to me | 20:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:51 UTC: NYC coronavirus cases are 'coming in so intensely now,' Mayor de Blasio says: Private labs that began running coronavirus tests in New York City on Friday are reporting so many new cases that public officials are having trouble keeping up. → https://is.gd/UY6LV8 | 20:55 |
| LjL | i am going to have dinner. i trust i'll find this channel all in one piece when i come back. | 20:55 |
| commandocrypto[m | @fedorafan corona is not being over counted or overreported, especially from comorbidity. If anything, the ipposite is truw | 20:55 |
| wormfarm | ljl : does this get worse before it gets better? | 20:56 |
| wormfarm | where are we going here | 20:56 |
| tinwhiskers | People who have any lung condition then contract the coronavirus are far more likely to die. Should we not be reporting those cases either because of comorbid problems? Of course they still count as covid-19 | 20:56 |
| commandocrypto[m | Many deaths in many places are just counted as ILI or pneumonia etc. China started this pattern as the first japanes death (in wuhan) proved | 20:57 |
| commandocrypto[m | > ljl : does this get worse before it gets better? | 20:57 |
| commandocrypto[m | Yes. Much much worse. It hasnt even begun | 20:57 |
| fedorafan | so you know that | 20:58 |
| fedorafan | or is it assuming | 20:58 |
| tinwhiskers | fedorafan: nobody *knows* the future but it looks very likely we have not reached peak infections outside of China and possibly South Korea | 20:59 |
| fedorafan | so you believe it | 20:59 |
| wormfarm | when you say "and possibly south korea" it confuses me | 20:59 |
| ryouma | if you do have comorbidities, are they going to take special care of you or will they triage you and leave you to die? | 20:59 |
| tinwhiskers | Most countries are still increasing in rate each day | 20:59 |
| wormfarm | are you saying that south korea is similar to china because it has leveling off of cases? | 20:59 |
| tinwhiskers | wormfarm: I'm not saying they are similar. I'm just saying they are leveling off | 21:00 |
| wormfarm | i see | 21:00 |
| wormfarm | the way you write sometimes confuses me | 21:00 |
| tinwhiskers | Ok | 21:00 |
| wormfarm | it's like you make two or three suppositions with one statement lol | 21:00 |
| commandocrypto[m | > or is it assuming | 21:01 |
| commandocrypto[m | Im assuming many ppl will continue to be unprepared and u unworried so wuhan will look like a nice walk in the park compared to the future. We had 2 months to prepare what makes u think ppl will use the next 2 weeks any differently? I hope i am wrong | 21:01 |
| yuriwho | everyone should expect the number of US cases to skyrocket this week as they have only just begun testing people that are sick who have not traveled to an outbreak zone | 21:01 |
| commandocrypto[m | > if you do have comorbidities, are they going to take special care of you or will they triage you and leave you to die? | 21:02 |
| commandocrypto[m | Italy is wisely triaging for young and healthy cases to try to save them | 21:02 |
| pwr22 | !cases china | 21:02 |
| pwr22 | !cases south k | 21:03 |
| pwr22 | !cases it | 21:03 |
| freelock | I'm in the middle of an outbreak zone (Seattle) and I'm hearing stories about at risk people coming down with symptoms after exposure to people traveling from Japan, recovering, and never even getting tested despite repeated requests | 21:03 |
| pwr22 | Huh, unless south korea are not reporting recoveries well it looks like things are still going on there | 21:03 |
| freelock | so I think our numbers are vastly under-reported (but also it suggests the virus may be far less deadly...) | 21:04 |
| tinwhiskers | pwr22: yes, but the rate of new cases is dropping markedly. It takes time for people to recover. | 21:05 |
| tinwhiskers | %cases South Korea | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +72 cases (now 134345) 🔶 US: +68 cases (now 873) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 30) 🔸 Brazil: +1 cases (now 31) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 80) 🔸 Ontario, Canada: +2 cases (now 36) 🔸 Channel | 21:05 |
| pwr22 | Just seems like a very low number of published recoveries | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, South Korea, there are 7513 cases, 53 deaths (0.7% of cases), 247 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 21:03:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Korea for time series data. | 21:05 |
| tinwhiskers | pwr22: check that time series data ^ | 21:06 |
| tinwhiskers | They are the only country outside China that is showing such a slowing in new cases | 21:06 |
| pwr22 | Sure | 21:07 |
| commandocrypto[m | Keep in mind that the published recoveries data is the most unreliable - many official "revovered" have gone home and ended up dead, or testing poz later | 21:07 |
| pwr22 | They definitely aren't reporting recoveries the same way italy is | 21:07 |
| pwr22 | Yeah | 21:07 |
| tinwhiskers | Maybe | 21:07 |
| pwr22 | I would have thought they could chase up on them at some point | 21:07 |
| tinwhiskers | Recoveries aren't really much of an indicator for disease spread though | 21:07 |
| wormfarm | italy's response is really impressing me no | 21:08 |
| wormfarm | now | 21:08 |
| wormfarm | bravo italy | 21:08 |
| pwr22 | Though I don't buy that they haven't have more recoveries in hospital either | 21:08 |
| tinwhiskers | The new cases is the important thing | 21:08 |
| pwr22 | I'm interested in the ratio of sick, recovered dead | 21:08 |
| tinwhiskers | Ok | 21:08 |
| wormfarm | i just wish italy had invested more in its medical infrastructure and incentivized doctors to stay around | 21:08 |
| pwr22 | To get a sense of how the country is handling stuff | 21:08 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah, I see | 21:08 |
| pwr22 | Hence why my bot shows the things I want :D | 21:08 |
| fedorafan | I want it to be a big lie | 21:09 |
| fedorafan | so everyone will survive and its fine | 21:09 |
| pwr22 | I will definitely put deltas in there though | 21:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump pitches 0%, NYC's count can't keep up, virus on trading floor → https://is.gd/H79f9Q | 21:09 |
| tinwhiskers | The recoveries data is suspect. Even at the end of a pandemic they don't add up | 21:09 |
| pwr22 | fedorafan: if only | 21:09 |
| fedorafan | I dont know | 21:09 |
| pwr22 | Though I suspect most will survive | 21:09 |
| commandocrypto[m | (Sorry for big sauce but very relevant to current discussion) | 21:10 |
| tinwhiskers | Well, yeah, about 97% will survive :-) | 21:10 |
| fedorafan | if you believe in 3% death rate | 21:10 |
| tinwhiskers | fedorafan: yes, I'm sure you know better | 21:10 |
| fedorafan | did I say so | 21:10 |
| pwr22 | I believe in statistical averages | 21:11 |
| pwr22 | You did infer | 21:11 |
| pwr22 | :P | 21:11 |
| fedorafan | of numbers what are given | 21:11 |
| fedorafan | by whoever | 21:11 |
| commandocrypto[m | > Well, yeah, about 97% will survive :-) | 21:11 |
| commandocrypto[m | Thats not how HIV works and recall this doesnt have betacoronavirus spikes. It has HIV spikes | 21:11 |
| fedorafan | its a believing system | 21:11 |
| pwr22 | fedorafan: there is a lot of data from a lot of different countries so we can average across them | 21:12 |
| tinwhiskers | Also it's likely the disease will peter out somewhere around 80% of the population due to herd immunity; perhaps a bit lower, so the 97% is only of this infected of course | 21:12 |
| fedorafan | as I said | 21:12 |
| pwr22 | They are likely not all completely lying | 21:12 |
| fedorafan | I cant judge it | 21:12 |
| CatButtes[m] | <tinwhiskers "Well, yeah, about 97% will survi"> My concern with this is what happens if the medical system is overwhelmed and unable to care for the 10-20% who need hospital care? | 21:12 |
| pwr22 | Yeah, could be worse than that | 21:12 |
| tinwhiskers | CatButtes[m]: yes, that's a concern for sure | 21:12 |
| fedorafan | or much better | 21:12 |
| pwr22 | One good thing is we're going to end up with a lot more respirators after this | 21:13 |
| CatButtes[m] | With medical care, it might be 3% but once hospitals are saturated you are looking at a much higher rate | 21:13 |
| CatButtes[m] | <pwr22 "One good thing is we're going to"> And hopefully more funding for the NHS so we are ready for next time... | 21:13 |
| fedorafan | I dont want you to say its harmless but to be sceptic | 21:13 |
| tinwhiskers | CatButtes[m]: yes we need people to take this seriously to slow the rate such that medical services can cope. | 21:13 |
| wormfarm | how does med care in italy compare to south korea CatButtes[m] ? | 21:14 |
| fedorafan | thanks for being polite | 21:14 |
| wormfarm | do you south korea has more hospital beds and ICU beds than italy per capita? | 21:14 |
| CatButtes[m] | <wormfarm "how does med care in italy compa"> Favourably I believe. However the effected populations skews much older | 21:14 |
| wormfarm | # of smokers in italy vs south korea? | 21:15 |
| pwr22 | If I believe in any conspiracy theory about this (which I don't 😶) it's that it's a bio-weapon engineered to thin the aging population | 21:15 |
| tinwhiskers | Average age in South Korea is 41, Italy 45 | 21:15 |
| pwr22 | %wa percent people who smoke in italy | 21:15 |
| Brainstorm | pwr22, Wolfram|Alpha (elements | human abundance | Italy | current tobacco use among adults | total): Results: elements | human abundance | 2×10^-6 mass% Italy | current tobacco use among adults | total | 26.1% (age >=15) (2005 estimate) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=percent+people+who+smoke+in+italy | 21:15 |
| wormfarm | don't say stuff like that here pwr22 ljl will get mad | 21:16 |
| pwr22 | %wa percent people who smoke in south korea | 21:16 |
| Brainstorm | pwr22, Wolfram|Alpha (elements | human abundance | South Korea | current tobacco use among adults | total): Results: elements | human abundance | 2×10^-6 mass% South Korea | current tobacco use among adults | total | 29.7% (age >=15) (2005 estimate) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=percent+people+who+smoke+in+south+korea | 21:16 |
| fedorafan | good night | 21:16 |
| commandocrypto[m | Wait are ppl still peddling the bat accident story to cover up for Dr Charles Lieber??? | 21:16 |
| tinwhiskers | pwr22: interesting | 21:16 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: take that to your conspiracy channel | 21:17 |
| pwr22 | So looks like South Korea and Italy are about the same in terms of smokers, with South Korea slightly higher | 21:17 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah | 21:17 |
| pwr22 | Though that data is very old | 21:17 |
| wormfarm | damn wolfrom alpha is powerful | 21:17 |
| pwr22 | 2005 | 21:17 |
| tinwhiskers | It probably hasn't changed a great deal. | 21:17 |
| CatButtes[m] | I was about to say that's not that old, but it is 15 years old. Fuck. | 21:18 |
| tinwhiskers | They're not very different | 21:18 |
| tinwhiskers | Hrm | 21:18 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah | 21:18 |
| pwr22 | <wormfarm "don't say stuff like that here P"> I don't think it's true but it seems to most credible one I've read. Most have almost no logical grounding in what is actually happening but are entirely based on the idea that everyone is being lied to | 21:19 |
| pwr22 | The great thing about that is then you can pick whatever imagined truth is happening and so thus fit to any theory | 21:19 |
| commandocrypto[m | Smokers were underrepresented in cases (compared to population) in wuhan | 21:19 |
| wormfarm | ljl gonna get mad pwr22 | 21:20 |
| pwr22 | Ok so we have n=1 | 21:20 |
| CatButtes[m] | <commandocrypto[m "Smokers were underrepresented in"> It is a plot by big tobacco to get us all to take up smoking /s | 21:20 |
| pwr22 | Now if that holds true in a bunch of other countries then maybe we have a trend | 21:20 |
| commandocrypto[m | I still havent wrapped my head around that - maybe all smokers just got incorrectly catagorized as copd and put in the incinerators? | 21:20 |
| wormfarm | pwr22, when u think about it tho like it makes sense | 21:21 |
| tinwhiskers | That's weird. Do you have a source commandocrypto[m? | 21:21 |
| wormfarm | all deez countries got their pension funds that are sagging | 21:21 |
| commandocrypto[m | Lol take that conspiracy tier shit outta here /s | 21:21 |
| CatButtes[m] | Not impossible. If they couldn't compensate well enough and crashed at the wrong time, I can see them just getting cremated quickly | 21:21 |
| wormfarm | and thinning out the herd a little bit would help them right pwr22 | 21:21 |
| tinwhiskers | Smokers who did get it were more likely to die. | 21:21 |
| skyofdust | As in Tabacco smokers? | 21:22 |
| tinwhiskers | I never heard smokers were less likely to contract it though | 21:22 |
| tinwhiskers | skyofdust: yeah | 21:22 |
| commandocrypto[m | > That's weird. Do you have a source commandocrypto[m? | 21:22 |
| commandocrypto[m | Yes, the reports from ccp for tge first 3 weeks had breakdowns foe age, gebder and smoking | 21:22 |
| commandocrypto[m | t. official reports | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 20:13 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: According to my count, using the New York Times livetracker, local state Department of health numbers and the new Massachusetts numbers, there are currently 908 confirmed cases in the USA. → https://is.gd/7DT1XJ | 21:23 |
| wormfarm | how could it be 908 already | 21:23 |
| wormfarm | it was just 500 | 21:23 |
| CatButtes[m] | <wormfarm "how could it be 908 already "> Spike in tests being performed | 21:24 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: I'm only finding evidence saying smokers were both more likely to contract or and more likely to die from it. | 21:24 |
| commandocrypto[m | I mean do as i do and not what i think out loud. Ive quite smoking everything 5 weeks ago to prepare | 21:25 |
| commandocrypto[m | Especially because i think smoking herb will be the lifesaving silver bullet at deaths door if i cant get to civilisation and on a respirator | 21:26 |
| skyofdust | I'm still blazing weed daily, I hope I won't die x'D | 21:26 |
| wormfarm | jesus 620/10140 is the same as 1 out of 16 | 21:26 |
| wormfarm | 630* | 21:26 |
| wormfarm | that's pretty high mortality rate isn't it | 21:26 |
| commandocrypto[m | @petersjt014:matrix.org: how much for respirator? | 21:26 |
| commandocrypto[m | Er peter roberts | 21:27 |
| commandocrypto[m | > commandocrypto: I'm only finding evidence saying smokers were both more likely to contract or and more likely to die from it. | 21:27 |
| commandocrypto[m | One sec. Ill find sauce | 21:27 |
| pwr22 | commandocrypto: what's up? | 21:28 |
| ubLIX | from this account from an Italian medic, number 5 is chilling, and you can imagine it being extended to smokers even without comorbidities: https://threader.app/thread/1237142891077697538 | 21:29 |
| ubLIX | "5/ Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are starting to get sick and are emotionally overwhelmed. " | 21:29 |
| CatButtes[m] | Yeah, that is some sobering shit | 21:29 |
| wormfarm | china is seeing a strong correlation between critical patients and hypertension | 21:32 |
| tinwhiskers | ubLIX: holy crap | 21:32 |
| commandocrypto[m | > commandocrypto: what's up? | 21:32 |
| commandocrypto[m | Lol just asking if ur selling papc | 21:32 |
| pwr22 | What's papc? | 21:33 |
| pwr22 | <wormfarm "china is seeing a strong correla"> That's not good for me | 21:33 |
| CatButtes[m] | Ditto. I may have to start watching my diet much more closely | 21:34 |
| wormfarm | do you have high hypertension? | 21:34 |
| CatButtes[m] | Hopefully it isn't too late for me to get into a better shape | 21:34 |
| wormfarm | tell me your BP pwr22 | 21:34 |
| wormfarm | what's an ITU vs an ICU? i never heard ITU before | 21:36 |
| pwr22 | It's not constant | 21:36 |
| skyofdust | %data argentina | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | skyofdust: In all areas, Argentina, there are 17 cases, 1 deaths (5.9% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 06:13:07 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Argentina for time series data. | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 20:27 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: At this moment, there are 49,145 active cases worldwide, plus 65,051 recovered cases and 4,268 deaths, for a total infection number of 118,464 people. → https://is.gd/i4ro1J | 21:37 |
| commandocrypto[m | <tinwhiskers "commandocrypto: I'm only finding"> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.25.20027664v1.full.pdf | 21:39 |
| ubLIX | wormfarm: I don't speak Italian, but it's presumably Unità di terapia intensiva (ITU), a translation of ICU | 21:39 |
| ubLIX | ^ (thx to google translate) | 21:39 |
| commandocrypto[m | <pwr22 "What's papc?"> Positive Air Pressure ... thing. a respirator machine. i thought you colelcted them? | 21:40 |
| wormfarm | this dude is using ICU and ITU in the same memo | 21:40 |
| wormfarm | so it made me think ITU is not the same as ICU | 21:41 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: i don't see anything there about smokers | 21:41 |
| pwr22 | No, I meant that as a society we will value having them more knowing that SARS-COV-2 is out there | 21:41 |
| commandocrypto[m | Intestive Treatment Centre > Intestive Care Unit (usually). the former is like uber powerful, the later is like "life support" ... pretty boring | 21:42 |
| commandocrypto[m | If you are ADHD, you wanna work int he ITU, not the ICU as the latter is kinda boring | 21:43 |
| wormfarm | T could stand for triage | 21:44 |
| LjL | ubLIX, it would be nice if that italian medic wrote in italian | 21:44 |
| LjL | i'm sure we'd all understand him better ;( | 21:44 |
| LjL | i do strongly suspect ITU is just ICU though | 21:45 |
| pwr22 | commandocrypto: I've removed that video as it could be distressing and doesn't add to the discussion 😺 | 21:45 |
| wormfarm | what's 'ED' ljl ? | 21:45 |
| CatButtes[m] | <wormfarm "what's 'ED' ljl ?"> Emergency Department usually | 21:46 |
| LjL | emergency department i assume | 21:46 |
| CatButtes[m] | Could be erectile disfunction but given the context of the discussion I doubt it... | 21:46 |
| commandocrypto[m | <tinwhiskers "commandocrypto: i don't see anyt"> in the screencap i shared, the last 2 lines are "smoking status". Or just download the pdf and grep for "smoking status", it will be on page 24. Far lower incidence of smokers than in the general wuhan population | 21:46 |
| wormfarm | "people are told to avoid ED but still hang out in groups" | 21:46 |
| ubLIX | "intensive therapy unit" a plain synonym of ICU according to wikipedia | 21:47 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: yeah, I saw that but I don't think that means what you think it means | 21:47 |
| LjL | ubLIX, it's definitely what we call them here, although in italian i'd expect them to be abbreviated to UTI | 21:47 |
| ubLIX | right answer for the wrong reason! | 21:48 |
| CatButtes[m] | That might be avoided to avoid confusion with Urinary Tract Infections | 21:48 |
| commandocrypto[m | <pwr22 "commandocrypto: I've removed tha"> ah ok... i was just illustrating what ICU looks like in wuhan. serious question tho - most of my pics and videos are ... distressing. i find this whole disease distressing, especially since everyone wants to dismiss it | 21:48 |
| ubLIX | the medic you wrote that account might even not be italian and they just call them ITU wherever they are from | 21:48 |
| LjL | CatButtes[m], that would be ITU in italian ;) | 21:48 |
| ubLIX | *you>who | 21:48 |
| commandocrypto[m | <tinwhiskers "commandocrypto: yeah, I saw that"> oh? explain | 21:48 |
| tinwhiskers | That's the p value and was used to account for smoking in their model but their model doesn't say anything about the change in risk for becoming infected or dying from smoking. | 21:48 |
| LjL | i believe the person is just writing in english but with mostly italian terms in mind | 21:48 |
| ubLIX | most likely | 21:49 |
| LjL | so it's my turn: what's NIV? | 21:49 |
| commandocrypto[m | <tinwhiskers "That's the p value and was used "> ya i understand that. i was just adding ancilliary data regarding smoking - namely that only a tiny fraction of cases were smokers. which jumped out to me: doesn't that seem strange to anyone else? | 21:50 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: that's not the case | 21:50 |
| tinwhiskers | You're misinterpreting the data | 21:50 |
| ubLIX | "non-invasive ventilation" maybe | 21:51 |
| commandocrypto[m | like i said i quit anyways but i have wondered about it for the last few weeks. | 21:51 |
| commandocrypto[m | cool, finally i'll get an explaination | 21:51 |
| LjL | please try to avoid overusing the Matrix reply functionality, it's very confusing to see on IRC. i have no problem with it being used when it's not clear what you're replying to but if you use it every time it really makes things very confusing to read on this side | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 20:44 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Coronavirus outbreak: Bernie Sanders cancels Cleveland rally → https://is.gd/kqKuUE | 21:51 |
| LjL | ubLIX, good guess | 21:51 |
| wormfarm | NIV = noninvasive ventilation i think, like a cpap machine? | 21:54 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: for some reason that I do not know they have not reported the numbers of smokers in those tables, just the significance and have not drawn any conclusions about smokers. They have merely corrected their model for being a smoker or not. That paper has no information on the prevalence of smokers in the data. | 21:55 |
| LjL | wormfarm, it was used *next* to CPAP so probably something at least slightly different | 21:56 |
| wormfarm | there are two different types of cpap | 21:56 |
| wormfarm | the CPAPs for anti-snoring and the more legit ones for hospitals | 21:57 |
| wormfarm | ok i'm full of shit i'll stop speculating | 21:57 |
| ubLIX | CPAP provides a continuous pressure whereas NIV varies the pressure according to whether you're inhaling or exhaling. "Non-invasive" just means mask rather than intubation | 21:58 |
| ubLIX | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-invasive_ventilation | 21:58 |
| LjL | ubLIX, ah, although in the sleep therapy area, CPAP can refer to both kinds of thing | 21:58 |
| LjL | although i guess technically the "continuous" part would disqualify it | 21:59 |
| LjL | but people with sleep apnea usually talk about CPAP that's either continuous or not | 21:59 |
| LjL | we really need to delay getting this thing. my parents are not going to survive it if they get it, if the reports from doctors in lombardy are true | 22:00 |
| LjL | and i wish they weren't but i have no particular reason to believe otherwise | 22:00 |
| commandocrypto[m | > commandocrypto: for some reason that I do not know they have not reported the numbers of smokers in those tables, just the significance and have not drawn any conclusions about smokers. They have merely corrected their model for being a smoker or not. That paper has no information on the prevalence of smokers in the data. | 22:01 |
| commandocrypto[m | What? Use words man. It literally says 111 former/current smokers and 1479 nonsmokers out of the 1590 in the study | 22:01 |
| commandocrypto[m | Anyone else wanna take a stab at this? | 22:01 |
| commandocrypto[m | We need to stop the damn thing and then erradicate | 22:02 |
| dunnp | wheres the paper? | 22:02 |
| commandocrypto[m | I dont want the population pyramid for my country looking like nigeria | 22:03 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: i see. The table you linked to only had a p value, not actual numbers. I'll take a look at the bit your referring to | 22:03 |
| commandocrypto[m | Ok thankyou | 22:03 |
| dunnp | link to the paper? | 22:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:55 UTC: WHO gives advice on handling mental health toll from the coronavirus: The World Health Organization acknowledged that the coronavirus is causing stress in the global population and published mental health tips that include specific advice for health care workers and caretakers of children or older adults. → https://is.gd/27SX0v | 22:05 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: just so you're clear, that's 7%, not less than 1%. That is low though considering about 25% of the population smoke. | 22:06 |
| tinwhiskers | About 2% of Chinese women smoke and something like 55% of males | 22:07 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm guessing some sampling bias because most literature I see says you have an increased chance of being infected and an increased chance of dying | 22:08 |
| tinwhiskers | But to be fair I'm now struggling to find anything either | 22:09 |
| ubLIX | I can't remember where I saw this link (was it this channel?) - https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus | 22:10 |
| ubLIX | but it has this image: https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/03/Coronavirus-CFR-by-health-condition-in-China.png | 22:10 |
| ubLIX | smoking correlates with all of the illnesses described in the image | 22:11 |
| LjL | it was indeed posted here at some point | 22:11 |
| LjL | i think i added it to the paste | 22:11 |
| tinwhiskers | https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202003.0078/v1 | 22:12 |
| tinwhiskers | Smoking *increases* your chances of becoming infected and the poor outcome for smokers who become infected are well documented | 22:13 |
| LjL | hurray | 22:13 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +131 cases (now 134476) 🔶 US: +77 cases (now 950) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 30) 🔸 Brazil: +4 cases (now 34) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 80) 🔸 Ontario, Canada: +2 cases (now 36) 🔸 Channe | 22:14 |
| tinwhiskers | Still, I'm struggling to find actual case data | 22:14 |
| romare | whoa, Turkish MoH is going to make an announcement at 12.30pm local time which is a weird time to do that | 22:16 |
| LjL | uh oh | 22:16 |
| LjL | romare, does that mean 0:30 or 12:30 i never know | 22:16 |
| romare | 00:30 for europeans | 22:17 |
| romare | and I meant am, not pm, sorry | 22:17 |
| LjL | you're european, technically | 22:17 |
| dunnp | so in 13 mins? | 22:18 |
| romare | yeah | 22:18 |
| romare | it's weird that they're doing in the middle of the night | 22:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live at 21:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus: Ue,in arrivo fondo da 25mld - Ultima Ora - ANSA → https://is.gd/85dqnN | 22:19 |
| LjL | slash_, ↑ | 22:19 |
| LjL | romare, do you know what the name of a turkish news channel i can get on satellite might be | 22:20 |
| LjL | also prepare to translate realtime like i did | 22:20 |
| romare | LjL, trt world maybe? | 22:20 |
| LjL | let's see | 22:20 |
| LjL | i'll take forever to tune into it though, i can't use remote controls | 22:20 |
| romare | https://www.trtworld.com/live | 22:21 |
| wormfarm | why u interest in turkish news ljl ? | 22:21 |
| tinwhiskers | "Among Chinese patients diagnosed with COVID-19 associated pneumonia, the odds of disease progression (including to death) were 14 times higher among people with a history of smoking compared to those who did not smoke. This was the strongest risk factor among those examined". | 22:21 |
| romare | LjL, though it's an international channel so they might not stream it there | 22:21 |
| LjL | wormfarm, right now i am interested in this damned virus | 22:21 |
| wormfarm | there is also a strong correlation with hypertension | 22:21 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 22:21 |
| wormfarm | but hypertension is probably strongly correlated with smoking so... | 22:21 |
| wormfarm | it could really just be the correlation with smoking | 22:22 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. maybe | 22:22 |
| wormfarm | what's your thought process on turkish news tho ljl | 22:22 |
| wormfarm | what on your mind vis a vis turkish news | 22:22 |
| LjL | i found TRT World | 22:22 |
| LjL | they're broadcasting something about Russia | 22:23 |
| LjL | wormfarm, i a not familiar with Turkish news, but i assume they're tightly controlled by the government at this point | 22:23 |
| romare | yeah I guess TRT world wouldn't stream the announcement | 22:23 |
| LjL | i think TRT World is just broadcasting their normal news carousel | 22:24 |
| wormfarm | are you worried about coronavirus in turkey? | 22:24 |
| LjL | romare, what's the channel name that *you* are watching this on? | 22:24 |
| LjL | wormfarm, i am worried about coronavirus everywhere | 22:24 |
| wormfarm | romare why is ljl interested in turkey | 22:24 |
| wormfarm | ljl is not being as forthcoming as i would like | 22:24 |
| LjL | why in the world wouldn't i be? this isn't a channel about any particular country | 22:24 |
| wormfarm | i see | 22:25 |
| romare | LjL: I don't have a TV so I'll just see what people say on social media | 22:25 |
| LjL | oh | 22:25 |
| LjL | romare, well what's the first public tv channel name? | 22:25 |
| romare | if I had a TV I still wouldn't know which channel to watch. FOX, maybe? | 22:25 |
| romare | we have turkish fox | 22:25 |
| romare | LjL, TRT1 | 22:26 |
| romare | CNN Turk | 22:26 |
| romare | NTV | 22:26 |
| wormfarm | lol CNN and Fox | 22:27 |
| LjL | http://www.trt.net.tr/anasayfa/canli.aspx?y=tv&k=trt1 | 22:27 |
| romare | all are basically "erdog TV" | 22:27 |
| commandocrypto[m | lol the newfags in this room are awesome... imma have to just pretend ur all 12 to be as patient as the mods are | 22:27 |
| commandocrypto[m | > why would u be interested in cases in a country at war with syria and who is sending millions of people across its borders into europe | 22:27 |
| LjL | broadcasting commercials at the moment | 22:27 |
| wormfarm | is it true that ERdog can flip off twitter with a switch? | 22:27 |
| commandocrypto[m | i'm sure anyone in greece would be VERY interested to know what they are gonna announce. turkish deepstate is very dangerous to us all | 22:27 |
| wormfarm | i'm worried about turkey right now actually | 22:27 |
| commandocrypto[m | All cases in study test positive 2 weeks after "recovery" | 22:27 |
| commandocrypto[m | http://doi.org/10.1001/jama.2020.2783 | 22:28 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +111 cases (now 134587) 🔶 Germany: +128 cases (now 1565) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 30) 🔸 Brazil: +4 cases (now 34) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 80) 🔸 Ontario, Canada: +2 cases (now 36) 🔸 | 22:28 |
| LjL | what is even a "newfag"? let's use english that isn't 4channish please :( | 22:28 |
| wormfarm | erdog is too top down and authoritative right now | 22:28 |
| commandocrypto[m | ^ for those who were wondering about recovery numbers earlier - they're all bullshit. none of the reported recovered are actually ok. they are all still pozzed | 22:28 |
| LjL | TRT1 doesn't look like it's about to broadcast breaking news | 22:29 |
| commandocrypto[m | * ^ for those who were wondering about recovery numbers earlier - they're all bullshit. none of the reported recovered are actually ok. they are all stil positive | 22:29 |
| commandocrypto[m | EDIT: engrish | 22:29 |
| romare | LjL, I'll just let you know once they announce anything. I just follow underground social media | 22:29 |
| commandocrypto[m | * lol the nubs in this room are awesome... imma have to just pretend ur all 12 to be as patient as the mods are | 22:29 |
| commandocrypto[m | > why would u be interested in cases in a country at war with syria and who is sending millions of people across its borders into europe | 22:29 |
| wormfarm | which city is most impacted right now romare? | 22:30 |
| wormfarm | ankara? | 22:30 |
| romare | wormfarm, there are no cases yet | 22:30 |
| wormfarm | wtf | 22:30 |
| dunnp | LjL: is there a way to prevent edits in this room? | 22:30 |
| LjL | dunnp, none that i know of | 22:30 |
| dunnp | very spamy | 22:30 |
| freebobby[m] | as this room grows and becomes more active, i would recomend thinking about additional mods and rooms, fwiw | 22:31 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: you can't claim they are *all* still postive. | 22:31 |
| LjL | romare, there is also https://www.saglik.gov.tr/ that may have info and/or a stream i guess but i can't get it google translated | 22:31 |
| romare | commandocrypto[m, why not? not everybody in turkey wants to be at war with syria, not everybody in turkey is happy with the refugee crisis | 22:31 |
| commandocrypto[m | i'm not claiming anything i'm just bringing the sauce. | 22:31 |
| tinwhiskers | that paper showed 4 out of 4 remained postive several weeks after getting two negative tests. This demonstrates that the cases of "reinfection" are likely not reinfection at all so is probably good news. | 22:32 |
| LjL | freebobby[m], i'd say there are more than enough rooms already... also this is partly (mainly?) an IRC channel on freenode | 22:32 |
| commandocrypto[m | romare: i'm unironically very sure that most of you poor saps don't support erdo or any of the deep state. lmk if you' | 22:32 |
| commandocrypto[m | re ready to kick off, i'm more than happy to show up and provide the fireworks | 22:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:17 UTC: Massachusetts declares emergency as coronavirus cases more than double overnight with 51 new infections: Government officials in Massachusetts have declared a state of emergency on Tuesday after the state's number of confirmed or presumptive positive cases jump to just under 100. → https://is.gd/kHLk4e | 22:32 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: however you said, "for those who were wondering about recovery numbers earlier - they're all bullshit. none of the reported recovered are actually ok. they are all still pozzed". This is not true. | 22:32 |
| romare | commandocrypto[m, I don't support anything that's islamic | 22:33 |
| commandocrypto[m | ah ya sorry i did provide the commentary - but regardless, are you saying the study is suspect? | 22:33 |
| tinwhiskers | No | 22:33 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i don't think it's good news if many (most?) people remain infected for... how long? indefinitely? :( | 22:33 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm saying your conclusion is suspect | 22:33 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: It's good news that the "reinfections" may not be reinfections. It's not good news that people may remain positive. | 22:34 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well... i think i'd rather have reinfections :\ not sure | 22:34 |
| tinwhiskers | we don't know how long after you remain positive or how many people remain positive, just that it can happen. It was only four people in the group. | 22:35 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, reinfections could be something that just happens in rare cases when your immune system doesn't learn too well about the virus... something like this, on the other hand, ugh. it would quite possibly mean we're forever at risk of developing life-threatening COVID-19 once we've had it | 22:35 |
| tinwhiskers | maybe | 22:35 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, if it was four people taken genuinely at random, that's not a huge sample but it's more than enough to make me very worried | 22:35 |
| LjL | beyond the very worried i already was | 22:35 |
| tinwhiskers | It's an interesting finding but... onyl 4 people tested. | 22:35 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, enough to be interesting | 22:36 |
| commandocrypto[m | SHUT IT DOWN | 22:37 |
| skyofdust | It would suck if it turned out to be the way herpes, hiv and hep c express even after a recovery :/ that's really scary | 22:37 |
| LjL | romare, TRT Haber is talking about the coronavirus but it also just sounds like recorded general footage | 22:37 |
| CatButtes[m] | From what I can see of that abstract though, they never tested negative. Others may come clean after a while? | 22:37 |
| commandocrypto[m | why is the public taking risks with a disease which could do all kinds of scary stuff? | 22:37 |
| tinwhiskers | CatButtes[m]: Four patients with COVID-19 who met criteria for hospital discharge or discontinuation of quarantine in China (absence of clinical symptoms and radiological abnormalities and 2 negative RT-PCR test results) | 22:38 |
| commandocrypto[m | the ADE is almost proven at this stage - so many people in so many forums try to disprove that it's happening when you can't and further it's almost proven that ADE is happening | 22:38 |
| tinwhiskers | 2 negative RT-PCR test results | 22:38 |
| ubLIX | what is ADE? | 22:38 |
| commandocrypto[m | which by the way is the strongest evidence that this is that one SARS1 vaccine which worked on rheus maccaus (but killed all human test patients) 7 years ago | 22:39 |
| commandocrypto[m | Antibody Dependent Enhancement. It comes about because the protien spikes on coronavirus are from HIV | 22:39 |
| romare | LjL I'm watching these guys rn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Gdb_YZUoI | 22:39 |
| romare | will let you know once announcement is made | 22:40 |
| LjL | okay | 22:40 |
| commandocrypto[m | It means that the virus is capable of completely overwhelming the macrophages of the antibodies if you get reinfected (or, even worse, if it's just THERE in you long term, in your spinal cord, or as some korean doctors have suggested, passed the blood brain barrier) | 22:41 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +33 cases (now 134620) 🔸 Australia: +4 cases (now 107) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 30) 🔸 Brazil: +4 cases (now 34) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 80) 🔸 Ontario, Canada: +2 cases (now 36) 🔸 Channel Islands: +1 cases (now 2) 🔸 | 22:41 |
| ubLIX | commandocrypto[m: the paper you cited is completely orthogonal to that claim | 22:41 |
| commandocrypto[m | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibody-dependent_enhancement | 22:41 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: you seem hell-bent on spreading FUD | 22:42 |
| commandocrypto[m | what paper | 22:44 |
| romare | the internet is getting slower here. it mostly happens when something ugly happens. they slow it down | 22:44 |
| LjL | :\ | 22:44 |
| ryouma | where? | 22:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:41 UTC: Major DC lobby firm for drug industry closes after visitor tests positive for coronavirus: PhRMA learned Monday night that the individual, who is not an employee and last visited the office on March 5, was diagnosed with the coronavirus, according to spokesperson Holly Campbell. → https://is.gd/tLJcKK | 22:46 |
| romare | ryouma: turkey | 22:47 |
| commandocrypto[m | tinwhiskers: i'm hellbent on getting ppl to take this as seriously as it needs to. that's the only thing that's gonna help. saying stupid shit like "vaccine will help us" and "it's just a flu" is dangerous to mankind when there is real evidence this reinfects, is capable of ADE, causes cytokine storm in young healthy people | 22:48 |
| pwr22 | commandocrypto you've made your point now so might I suggest changing the subject? | 22:48 |
| pwr22 | People don't have to necessarily agree with you | 22:48 |
| commandocrypto[m | you're reasonable so please point out where FUD is coming from me | 22:48 |
| tinwhiskers | That's a good motive and I agree. So stop the hyperbole and conspiracies and more people will take what you say seriously. | 22:49 |
| commandocrypto[m | cool i didn't think we had even really broached the subject there are many medical papers on ADE which are all very relevant to what's about to happen to europe and aftrica and america and maybe russia too | 22:49 |
| commandocrypto[m | ok let's move on i'll just say i normally slay conspiracy theories for fun but the last 6 weeks of my life has basically been watching every worst case theory come true | 22:50 |
| LjL | romare, is he speaking? | 22:51 |
| pwr22 | That's circumstantial in terms of SARS-COV-2 right now. If anything concrete comes off it then let's revisit 👌 | 22:51 |
| tinwhiskers | commandocrypto[m: For example you said "everyone is still infected after testing negative", "ADE comes from AIDS", "Smokers have a lower rate of infection". This is not helpful stuff. | 22:52 |
| LjL | ugh | 22:52 |
| LjL | romare died, just as the Ministry of Health begins speaking | 22:52 |
| LjL | good sign | 22:52 |
| tinwhiskers | dang | 22:52 |
| commandocrypto[m | RIP | 22:53 |
| pwr22 | They'll probably turn the internet back on later | 22:53 |
| Timvde | Who is Romare? | 22:54 |
| Timvde | And wtf, 134k cases worldwide? That's like 20k more than when I last checked? | 22:54 |
| tinwhiskers | romare (~st.pauli@unaffiliated/romare) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | 22:54 |
| Timvde | Oh, lol, nvm | 22:54 |
| tinwhiskers | wb romare | 22:54 |
| LjL | Timvde, romare is the only one i know atm who has a clue what the ministry of health of turkey is saying | 22:55 |
| romare | yeah he says one confirmed case | 22:55 |
| romare | he's quarantined | 22:55 |
| Timvde | Aha :p | 22:55 |
| LjL | one, lol, k | 22:55 |
| romare | L I E | 22:55 |
| commandocrypto[m | tinwhiskers: you are misrepresenting me. let me clarify. "the only ppl who bothered to look into it found that all test subjects were still infected weeks after", "the reason COVID-19 is capable of ADE is because it's protein spikes are literally the protien spikes of HIV (as in, copied. use a good text editor)" and finally "for some crazy reason, most of the cases in hubei weren't smokers" why would i say they | 22:56 |
| commandocrypto[m | have a lower rate of infection, and then quit smoking | 22:56 |
| tinwhiskers | You are misinterpreting and (intentionally?) spreading FUD about these things. That paper did not find anything about the effect of smoking on your risk of contracting the virus. Your commentaries about the papers are the FUD, not the papers themselves. | 22:57 |
| commandocrypto[m | look i've given you that | 22:58 |
| tinwhiskers | "Antibody Dependent Enhancement. It comes about because the protien spikes on coronavirus are from HIV" - FUD | 22:58 |
| commandocrypto[m | i'm only claiming that 7% of cases were smokers, and there are a LOT more smokers in the population in wuhan. like ... you said it. i agreed with you | 22:58 |
| pwr22 | commandocrypto I feel things have been explained enough so please take this discussion to direct message or I will kick you | 22:59 |
| tinwhiskers | "for those who were wondering about recovery numbers earlier - they're all bullshit. none of the reported recovered are actually ok. they are all still pozzed" - FUD | 22:59 |
| commandocrypto[m | it bothers me that anyone thinks i said it reduced your risk: no such statement was ever made | 22:59 |
| tinwhiskers | "Wait are ppl still peddling the bat accident story to cover up for Dr Charles Lieber???" - FUD | 23:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:56 UTC: (news): United Airlines' US bookings plunge 70% as coronavirus spreads → https://is.gd/s8h3ZX | 23:00 |
| pwr22 | !cases | 23:00 |
| Albright | 70%, dang. | 23:01 |
| pwr22 | tinwhiskers I think the point has been made so perhaps we can let this alone? | 23:01 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | I've got a question: If the Hospitals in America are charging approx. 1000 dollars for a PCR test for C19 how are we getting accurate data from USA? | 23:02 |
| Albright | I hope the airlines aren't going to ask congress for another goddamn bailout. | 23:02 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 23:02 |
| CatButtes[m] | <Tangent-Man[m] "I've got a question: If the Hosp"> We aren’t. | 23:02 |
| tinwhiskers | Tangent-Man[m]: that's an easy one. We're not. | 23:02 |
| LjL | Tangent-Man[m], i don't think they're charging that for people who are tested because of being tested due to being contacts of someone who tested positive | 23:02 |
| LjL | other countries usually test on that basis only, or on the basis of clear symptoms | 23:02 |
| Birosso | "France, Amid Coronavirus Outbreak, Holds Largest-Ever Gathering of People Dressed as Smurfs, for Some Reason" | 23:03 |
| pwr22 | I wonder how much runway cash airlines have generally to deal with this sort of thing? | 23:03 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | American Healthcare costing is notouriously synical though. I bet there are loads of possible cases that are'nt getting tested due to cost no? .. | 23:04 |
| pwr22 | The smurf thing seemed ill advised | 23:04 |
| commandocrypto[m | flybe airline declared bankruptcy the day after cases were announced in it's HQ city | 23:04 |
| Birosso | I don't know what it is with Europeans and painting faces blue. | 23:04 |
| pwr22 | <commandocrypto[m "flybe airline declared bankruptc"> It was already in the verge of going bust | 23:05 |
| CatButtes[m] | commandocrypto: Flybe were on the ropes already. I believe they had already asked for a bail out back in January? | 23:05 |
| pwr22 | So it's not as much a spectacle as the news portrayed | 23:05 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 Norway: +36 cases (now 392) 🔸 Australia: +10 cases (now 113) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 30) 🔸 Brazil: +4 cases (now 34) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 80) 🔸 Ontario, Canada: +2 cases (now 36) 🔸 Channel Islands: +1 cases (now 2) 🔸 | 23:05 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | Flybe went bankrupt after the UK Gov said they would bail them out.. then didn't.. didn't give them the bail out. | 23:06 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 10149 cases, 631 deaths (6.2% of cases), 1004 recoveries as of Tue Mar 10 23:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 23:06 |
| LjL | death rate sure went up after the artificially low number of new cases today... | 23:06 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | Using Coroan as an excuse I guess... | 23:06 |
| CatButtes[m] | Tangent-Man: that sounds depressingly like our government | 23:06 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: artifically low numbers? | 23:06 |
| pwr22 | I'm glad we didn't bail them out, we need that 100m to spend on medical shit now | 23:06 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, something unclear happened, first they said Lombardy had a delay in processing tests, then they also said something about a change in testing protocols, something about testing only symptomatic patients (but i thought that was already the case, since it was repeatedly stated) | 23:07 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 23:07 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, anyway, the number of new cases today is simply unrealistic even if you're an optimist if you compare it to yesterday's | 23:08 |
| tinwhiskers | I see. It does look a bit low | 23:08 |
| LjL | 50% of cases worldwide are recovered, according to the bot. even if countries were actively avoiding to look at any consequences they may have, that's about 65000 people who are supposedly well again. surely if *many* of them are actually still positive in a way that gives them consequences, it couldn't be easily hidden from view? just a thought | 23:09 |
| slash_ | so Turkey has now reported their first case finally | 23:10 |
| romare | yeah | 23:10 |
| commandocrypto[m | LjL: most of those are in wuhan city. have you seen the webcams today? | 23:10 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: makes sense | 23:11 |
| romare | they didn't say which city tho | 23:11 |
| commandocrypto[m | same as yesterday and all last week: is kill | 23:11 |
| LjL | commandocrypto[m, i haven't, but well, the lockdown is still in effect, what would i see? | 23:11 |
| commandocrypto[m | nothing. no food deliveries. nothing | 23:12 |
| tinwhiskers | People are still allowed to leave their houses once a week or once every two weeks depending where you hear it, so no, there are no food deliveries | 23:12 |
| commandocrypto[m | how did i know you'd be ready to counterpoint me lol. accept my dm invite if you want m8. anyways the point is 90% of recovered are in wuhan and that explains how they are "hidden", LjL | 23:13 |
| commandocrypto[m | also how on earth are you supposed to leave ur house every week or two when the door is welded shut? | 23:14 |
| tinwhiskers | There's no evidence ALL doors were welded shuit but they were doing it to control access. More FUD. | 23:15 |
| slash_ | are all doors in China made from steel? | 23:16 |
| tinwhiskers | heh. exactly | 23:17 |
| slash_ | can't weld shut a wooden door in a wooden frame easily lol | 23:17 |
| LjL | what i saw weren't doors themselves being welded, but a bar of steel being nailed in front of the door | 23:18 |
| LjL | (i assume doors open outwards in china, or else i have no idea how that would work) | 23:18 |
| tinwhiskers | Buildings have controlled access where you have your temperature taken, upon arrival and so they can ensure people are adhering to the (extremely strict) rules. To do that they need to ensure people can't sneak past the control point, hence reducing the number of access points to buildings. | 23:18 |
| tinwhiskers | How else would you do it? | 23:19 |
| commandocrypto[m | slash_: don't speak on it if you don't know how they did it. all the instances which i saw evidence of showed them making a metal frame around the door, regardless of the material of the door | 23:19 |
| slash_ | but then what about the windows? | 23:20 |
| slash_ | or the fire escapes | 23:20 |
| commandocrypto[m | LjL: ya an asian explained that they do it so they can keep all their shoes and slippers behind the door inside, where our doors would open too | 23:20 |
| tinwhiskers | well, it's China so they probably don't mind closing up the fire escapes in a situation like this. | 23:20 |
| tinwhiskers | We couldn't do that stuff here | 23:21 |
| slash_ | yeah that's true | 23:21 |
| commandocrypto[m | which is why we are in trouble | 23:21 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 23:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 Washington, US: +100 cases (now 267) 🔶 Massachusetts, US: +51 cases (now 92) 🔸 Australia: +10 cases (now 113) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 18) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 6) 🔸 Austria: +25 cases (now 182), +2 recoveries (now 4) 🔸 Bahrain: +8 recoveries (now 30) 🔸 Brazil: +4 cases (now 34) 🔸 Cambodia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Canada: +3 cases (now 80) 🔸 Ontario, Canada: +2 cases | 23:21 |
| tinwhiskers | The amount of vehicles driving around spraying some sort of disinfectant on the roads and people wandering around spraying everything in sight is interesting. It might just all be for show of course but I think it's mostly for real. | 23:25 |
| LjL | i've seen it in a bit too many countries now to believe it's just for show | 23:25 |
| LjL | i've now seen it in italy too | 23:25 |
| tinwhiskers | There was that footage of a lady continuing to spray even though there was no fluid left in the sprayer | 23:25 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, really. that's good news | 23:25 |
| LjL | they briefly showed it happening on a smallish scale in a stadium (milan's i presume) when mentioning that finally they are stopping soccer games | 23:26 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well that's the only place i've seen it | 23:26 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 23:26 |
| tinwhiskers | You have to wonder how useful spraying down roads is, but meh | 23:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 22:21 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Zeke Miller su Twitter: "PIERRE, S.D. (AP) — South Dakota confirms first 5 coronavirus cases, and 1st death." → https://is.gd/0u5Nxr | 23:27 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, i know i'm trying harder than usual to avoid wearing shoes inside | 23:28 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. I hadn't thought of that | 23:29 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm now considering flying back home to NZ to get someone to look at what's up with my lungs. I guess I need to do that really soon if I do it at all. I went back to the hospital here and this doctor said it was just seasonal flu, but I've had it a month now. I don't know what to do. | 23:30 |
| tinwhiskers | A really expensive way to find out this doctor is right | 23:30 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, and potentially risky | 23:31 |
| yuttle[m] | youve had pnuemonia for that long? | 23:31 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, how do you know you have something with your lungs in the first place? i know you've mentioned it before but i may be missing some context | 23:31 |
| yuttle[m] | not un heard of for a flu | 23:31 |
| azbycx | does being inoculated with the pneumonia shot, help keep an older sicker person alive? | 23:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Well, the doctor can't hear any gurgling so probably not pneumonia but I'm breathing like I have a small case of asthma, my lungs feel heavy and burning. It seems to be something like pleurisy. I've had two courses of antibiotics so it's probably not bacterial. it *could* just be a the flu I guess. | 23:33 |
| tinwhiskers | I want to wait another week before making a call, but my wife wants me to book tickets now to save money. | 23:34 |
| LjL | azbycx, not with COVID-19, the pneumonia shot is for bacterial pneumonia, this is viral | 23:35 |
| tinwhiskers | I have some other surgery that needs taking care of so I could get that done then as well, although I was planning to go somewhere cheaper for that since hernias are considered elective surgery. | 23:35 |
| skyofdust | azbycx, the pneumonia shot is for a bacteria, so it's unlikely it will help... | 23:35 |
| azbycx | ahh, very informative, thank you. :) | 23:35 |
| commandocrypto[m | Have u been tested for sars2-ncov yet? | 23:36 |
| tinwhiskers | no, but there are no cases in this country | 23:36 |
| tinwhiskers | although I did have lunch with someone who had just returned from Italy a day or so after their first cases were reported, but that's exceptionally unlikely. | 23:36 |
| LjL | azbycx, sometimes antibacterial therapy (and presumably vaccination too) can be helpful because there are opportunistic bacterial infections that occur together with the viral ones. but with this disease i don't think i've heard of a "double pneumonia"... | 23:37 |
| yuttle[m] | coinfection is a risk yeah | 23:37 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, when our first cases were reported, but it turns out (according to some italian presumed experts) we had this around back in november even | 23:37 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. right | 23:37 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, still doesn't make it very likely, i guess, but who knows what the real percentages of infected are | 23:38 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 23:38 |
| yuttle[m] | its been a month? | 23:38 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 23:38 |
| yuttle[m] | if it is covid then your at least past the danger zone | 23:38 |
| tinwhiskers | true :-) | 23:39 |
| yuttle[m] | congrats haha | 23:39 |
| LjL | i don't know what to suggest really, but i'd be scared of getting stranded and/or quarantined somewhere if i were travelling now (i mean, obviously as an italian, but not just as an italian) | 23:39 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm much more worried about it being a complication if I do get covid-19 | 23:39 |
| yuttle[m] | you can really just do ur best | 23:39 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: well, NZ is home and I can stay with my mother there, but would have to leave my wife here on the island | 23:40 |
| yuttle[m] | where ever you are beginning shelter in place considerations are probably the goto atm | 23:41 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 23:41 |
| azbycx | thank you for all the info. :) | 23:41 |
| tinwhiskers | that's a consideration. But if things don't get better with my lungs in the meantime then I could be in deep doodoo | 23:41 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, in NZ you'd be with someone who's presumably elderly, and in a country that's more exposed (not *very* exposed maybe, but kinda more) | 23:41 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yes. it's concerning | 23:42 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, isn't there just a better doctor there that will take all your money in exchange of testing you thoroughly? | 23:42 |
| tinwhiskers | The first doctor I saw seemed pretty good. I think if I'd seen him again I may have made some progress, but I have no idea how to organise that. Me not speaking a word of Tongan is a problem with most of the administrative staff. However, it's a good idea. I'll ask around and see if there are any doctors who might be more amenable to that. | 23:44 |
| contingo | I've been hospitalized for pleurisy before, tinwhiskers | 23:47 |
| tinwhiskers | What did they do for it? | 23:47 |
| contingo | put a canula in and injected me with gallons of antibiotics | 23:48 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. ok | 23:48 |
| tinwhiskers | how painful was the canula? | 23:48 |
| contingo | nothing major | 23:49 |
| tinwhiskers | So oral antibiotics hadn't helped? | 23:49 |
| LjL | i do have a slightly productive cough since... months, it's annoying | 23:49 |
| contingo | this was in the early 90s, I was 14. I'd just moved back to Singapore. In the space of a day or two developed a fever, a feeling of very heavy lungs and a deep aching pain when inhaling deeply | 23:51 |
| LjL | i don't think i know what a feeling of "heavy lungs" is. maybe i'd know when i felt one | 23:51 |
| contingo | doc said go to A&E and they put me on heavy dose antibiotics right away | 23:52 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah. I see | 23:52 |
| LjL | Birosso, the hell | 23:52 |
| Birosso | I tried banning you, said I need to be op | 23:52 |
| Birosso | I got mad. | 23:52 |
| LjL | ... | 23:53 |
| Birosso | Dangerous. | 23:53 |
| LjL | not as much as covid | 23:53 |
| Birosso | Touche. | 23:53 |
| LjL | i don't op people who don't put the proper accents on words | 23:54 |
| LjL | sorry | 23:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit WorldNews Live at 22:51 UTC: /u/slakmehl: BBC Breaking News su Twitter: "Health minister Nadine Dorries says she has tested positive for coronavirus and is self-isolating https://t.co/79GYWaeJDb" → https://is.gd/1TcJyD | 23:55 |
| Birosso | LjL: E scortése. | 23:55 |
| LjL | Birosso, i hear that with a strong milanese accent | 23:56 |
| LjL | %wik Nadine Dorries | 23:56 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: Nadine Vanessa Dorries (née Bargery; born 21 May 1957) is a British Conservative politician serving as Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health and Social Care since 2019, and has served as Member of Parliament (MP) for Mid Bedfordshire since 2005. Considered to be on the political right of the [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadine_Dorries | 23:56 |
| ubLIX | tinwhiskers: that's a very tough call re go to NZ or wait more | 23:59 |
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