| figuinhas | I was checking a briefing in Portugal | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| slash_ | RougeR I thought things where worse for the British, but fuck this is US level of bad... | 00:00 |
| RougeR | slash_, yeah and its going to keep getting worse | 00:00 |
| Timvde | RougeR: The media part is the most scary | 00:00 |
| RougeR | Timvde, agreed | 00:00 |
| Timvde | It is actually US level of bad | 00:00 |
| figuinhas | and the director for National Health Direction says 2 cases were detected to to change in the case definition | 00:00 |
| RougeR | ugh labour were on today after the new budget | 00:00 |
| Birosso | A lot of private businesses in Germany are trying to become US-level of bad. It's quite unsettling. | 00:00 |
| RougeR | it was 4 tories ganging up on them | 00:00 |
| figuinhas | ... internationally | 00:00 |
| Birosso | But the state is curbing the trend... for now. | 00:01 |
| Timvde | Boris Johnsson is a slightly smarter Trump | 00:01 |
| RougeR | "THE BBC IS NEUTRAL AND FAIR" | 00:01 |
| RougeR | bullshit | 00:01 |
| Timvde | He could do major damage | 00:01 |
| RougeR | Timvde, no | 00:01 |
| RougeR | he is WAY smarter | 00:01 |
| keithn | this is now a garbage politics channel | 00:01 |
| RougeR | just evil | 00:01 |
| figuinhas | I have this | 00:01 |
| contingo | there's vast fortunes to be made by gutting public health and privatising incrementally so that a US type model creeps in | 00:01 |
| figuinhas | https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/covid-19-ecdc-updates-case-definition-eu-surveillance | 00:01 |
| figuinhas | But this was in February the 26 | 00:01 |
| RougeR | keithn, well when politics is life and death and will dictate who lives and dies in the coming months | 00:01 |
| RougeR | then yeah | 00:01 |
| Birosso | keithn: What are you referring to? | 00:01 |
| RougeR | its a politics channel too | 00:01 |
| figuinhas | what is the most recent from ECDC? | 00:01 |
| RougeR | figuinhas, i am not sure | 00:02 |
| keithn | i heard corbyn supporters were deranged but ive never actually come across one as an american | 00:02 |
| ubLIX | contingo: vast fortunes have been made doing precisely that | 00:02 |
| keithn | interesting | 00:02 |
| contingo | I know | 00:03 |
| Birosso | ubLIX: Which countries didn't have that and then changed into that in recent history, if you know? | 00:03 |
| Timvde | Corbyn was probably the worst choice the Labour party could pick | 00:03 |
| contingo | I was describing the general idea behind what's going on | 00:03 |
| ubLIX | uhm. which countries didn't have sub rosa creeping privatisation of a national health service? | 00:04 |
| Timvde | Just like America picked Clinton in 2016 and will now pick Biden... | 00:04 |
| Timvde | Just making the same mistakes all over again | 00:04 |
| keithn | bernie was our corbyn | 00:04 |
| RougeR | "In fact, the average worker across Europe receives 65% of their salary as pay during a week of sick leave - in the UK, we are paid less than 9% of our typical week's salary. | 00:04 |
| RougeR | That increases to a slightly healthier 18% when you look at a month of sick leave, but the number is still far below the European average (70% of your typical wage across a month of sick leave)." | 00:04 |
| ubLIX | Birosso: too many 'thats' in the (rhetorical?) question | 00:05 |
| Birosso | ubLIX: Hmm? | 00:05 |
| RougeR | keithn, i dont support corbyn | 00:05 |
| RougeR | im voting starmer | 00:05 |
| Birosso | Oh, I didn't see your reply. | 00:05 |
| Birosso | One moment. | 00:05 |
| RougeR | I just hate the tories | 00:05 |
| RougeR | labour is the only credible opposition regardless | 00:05 |
| Birosso | ubLIX: Which countries had national health services that became privatised in recent history, that you know of, if any? | 00:06 |
| RougeR | Brainstorm, Netherlands | 00:06 |
| RougeR | interesting case study | 00:06 |
| RougeR | it worked, but is highly regulated | 00:06 |
| Birosso | ubLIX: We were just discussing how a change was taking place in the UK. Do you know of places in which the change has fully taken place? | 00:06 |
| contingo | of what party flavor is the government of Jersey? | 00:06 |
| Birosso | Why are there just two? | 00:06 |
| Birosso | Why is there one opposition? | 00:06 |
| RougeR | contingo, there isnt parties lol | 00:06 |
| Birosso | This has always bugged me. | 00:06 |
| RougeR | there are senators and deputies and shit | 00:07 |
| RougeR | and they all have their own views and fight a lot | 00:07 |
| RougeR | and nothing gets done | 00:07 |
| Timvde | RougeR: Well, at least it's not Belgium | 00:07 |
| Timvde | We don't even have a government most of the time | 00:07 |
| RougeR | it sways mostly Conservative ( politically not party ) | 00:07 |
| RougeR | Timvde, i duno id prefer that | 00:08 |
| contingo | RougeR: cool. My great grandad was the president of alderney for a few weekends | 00:08 |
| ubLIX | Birosso: i'd be speculating if i answered that | 00:08 |
| RougeR | let the civil servicer run it | 00:08 |
| contingo | when the serving president went on hols | 00:08 |
| Birosso | "and nothing gets done" I've watched sessions of the British parliament. :D | 00:08 |
| RougeR | haha contingo nice | 00:08 |
| RougeR | Birosso, i meann..,..this aint brittish parliment lol | 00:08 |
| contingo | he lived in Fort Corblets | 00:08 |
| contingo | which is a nice pad there | 00:08 |
| RougeR | ahh sweet heard of it | 00:08 |
| RougeR | big pad | 00:08 |
| contingo | really? it was still in the family when I was a kid | 00:09 |
| contingo | but my family can't have nice things anymore | 00:09 |
| RougeR | i can see mont orgueill castle from my window lol | 00:09 |
| LjL | Birosso, that Reddit thread is (unsurprisingly i suppose) filled with enough maddening morons that think there's no reason to think it'll be anything major... seriously, that feeling of being about to fall off a cliff and people being like "no no it's fine there is still ground below us for now" | 00:10 |
| RougeR | LjL, my parents leave monday lol | 00:10 |
| Birosso | LjL "Italian medical chief dies after contracting virus" | 00:10 |
| Birosso | Did you hear about this on local news? | 00:10 |
| Birosso | Apparently he was 67. O.O | 00:11 |
| LjL | Timvde, when you were without a government for a year or two, you still were doing better than Italy in GDP growth, so really, not *right now*, but another time, i wouldn't mind doing a trial of Belgium-style non-government | 00:11 |
| LjL | Birosso, yes | 00:11 |
| RougeR | Birosso, what underlying health conditions if any> | 00:11 |
| RougeR | > YOUR FATHER WILL BE FINE | 00:11 |
| LjL | RougeR, i suspect "being a health worker" is a serious underlying condition in this epidemic | 00:11 |
| Birosso | RougeR, let me get you an article. | 00:11 |
| Timvde | LjL: Didn't Italy have a technocratic government for a while? | 00:11 |
| LjL | Timvde, oh sure we have them every now and then | 00:12 |
| RougeR | > HES JUST A 60 YEAR OLD EX-SMOKER ON IMMUNOSUPRESSANTS, SURE HES A BIT MORE AT RIS | 00:12 |
| RougeR | K | 00:12 |
| Timvde | And wasn't it doing pretty well? | 00:12 |
| RougeR | > IM NOT GOING TO STOP LIVING MY LIFE!!111!! | 00:12 |
| RougeR | ^ my mother | 00:12 |
| Birosso | The head of the medical association in the northern Italian province of Varese, Roberto Stella, 67, has died of respiratory failure after contracting coronavirus. | 00:12 |
| Birosso | He had been practising medicine at an outpatient clinic in Busto Arsizio, north-west of Milan, and Italian reports say he and a colleague were infected at the weekend. | 00:12 |
| Birosso | Varese is in the Lombardy region, which has been at the centre of Italy's coronavirus outbreak. | 00:12 |
| LjL | Timvde, it gets boring when things go too well | 00:12 |
| Birosso | From BBC live reporting. | 00:12 |
| LjL | RougeR, oh yeah the "we can't stop living" thing *sigh* i may start a collection of standard things people say that are WRONG | 00:13 |
| LjL | RougeR, how about "sure we can stop living, it's called dying, which this virus often causes" | 00:13 |
| RougeR | LjL, they have gotten better | 00:13 |
| RougeR | finally gotten her to admit he is at risk | 00:13 |
| LjL | RougeR, but honestly i haven't told *my* mom that, so maybe it's unfair to ask you to | 00:13 |
| contingo | were *confirmed infected at the weekend, I hope | 00:13 |
| RougeR | they are social distancing as they can | 00:13 |
| RougeR | LjL, lol | 00:13 |
| RougeR | she doesnt get it | 00:14 |
| RougeR | its like | 00:14 |
| Timvde | I'm honestly also still just living my life | 00:14 |
| RougeR | okay what about if i asked you to roll a 6 side dice, if it lands on a 1 your husband dies | 00:14 |
| RougeR | cause thats probably your odds | 00:14 |
| LjL | Timvde, it doesn't help if everyone around you is doing the same. we all have a herd effect. but someone has to steer the herd. | 00:14 |
| RougeR | Timvde, most here are still | 00:15 |
| RougeR | i would be more so if i wasnt living with my folks for a bit | 00:15 |
| LjL | (and by herd effect i don't mean about immunity here) | 00:15 |
| Timvde | I mean, I'm taking all "normal" precautions, as advised by the government | 00:15 |
| Timvde | But those are pretty low-impact on my lifestyle | 00:15 |
| LjL | Timvde, the "normal" precautions as advised by our government were quite obviously not enough with hindsight, don't you think? | 00:15 |
| RougeR | Timvde, which government | 00:16 |
| Timvde | LjL: depends on if those people actually did that | 00:16 |
| Timvde | RougeR: Touché | 00:16 |
| RougeR | but yeah UK gov is not on the ball | 00:16 |
| Timvde | The previous government is still having an executive role | 00:16 |
| RougeR | cheltenham festival going ahead.....please | 00:16 |
| RougeR | 250,000 people | 00:16 |
| RougeR | no fucking comment. | 00:17 |
| Timvde | They are limited in what they can do, but they still process current affairs | 00:17 |
| RougeR | THE ECONOMY NEEDS THE MONEY | 00:17 |
| RougeR | ^ my mother | 00:17 |
| Timvde | RougeR: That's the worst argument ever though | 00:17 |
| LjL | Timvde, maybe it does. still, if people here are told "but don't hoard supermarkets!", they immediately hoard supermarkets. and then i say "gah, italians". but then japanese do the same. now danes are doing the same. you really shouldn't expect your country to behave better than others when it comes to basic things like handling an epidemic | 00:17 |
| RougeR | Timvde, lol it is a very regional money spinner | 00:17 |
| Timvde | Okay, no, I can think of worse arguments | 00:17 |
| Timvde | but it's a pretty bad one | 00:17 |
| RougeR | but the risk isnt worth it | 00:17 |
| CatButtes[m] | RougeR: Don't forget they refused to close parliament to the public... | 00:17 |
| Birosso | LjL, *when it comes to life or death | 00:17 |
| Timvde | LjL: supermarkets are still full here | 00:18 |
| RougeR | CatButtes[m], ehhhh im alright with that....most of the tories are pretty old | 00:18 |
| RougeR | (im joking) | 00:18 |
| RougeR | ...mostly | 00:18 |
| LjL | Birosso, okay, i am focusing on one way to achieve one of those right now though | 00:18 |
| Timvde | LjL: On the one hand, people aren't panicking, which is nice. On the other hand, most of them probably also don't understand the gravity of the situation | 00:18 |
| CatButtes[m] | I view it more as a case of them spreading lurgy around the country | 00:18 |
| RougeR | LjL, i might do another supermarket run | 00:18 |
| Timvde | I really try to be somewhere in the middle: don't panick, don't shut down my entire life, but be generally cautious | 00:19 |
| RougeR | Timvde, mostly sensible | 00:19 |
| RougeR | basically start social distancing | 00:19 |
| LjL | Timvde, people in general haven't shown "panic" here, they've mostly gone on living life as normal. you can find panic if you look inside homes, inside families. but sort of by definition, most of the people you see nonchalantly doing the usual things outside are the ones not panicking. and then, there is the hoarding, but that's also not the same as panic | 00:19 |
| Timvde | panic* | 00:19 |
| RougeR | practice good hygine | 00:19 |
| RougeR | keep basic stocks, but dont panic buy | 00:19 |
| laviniathon[m] | I’m sick now but scared to get test | 00:20 |
| RougeR | and avoid contact with elderly/vulnerable | 00:20 |
| RougeR | laviniathon[m], symptoms?> | 00:20 |
| Timvde | RougeR: Exactly | 00:20 |
| contingo | I'd always bought wholesale quantities of long-life staples and household supplies anyway, it's so much cheaper | 00:20 |
| LjL | Timvde, the problem with being "somewhere in the middle" is that the sentiment of being like that has led us to always be one step behind the virus. what we should do today, we do tomorrow. and then tomorrow we say "but let's not go as far as...", and then we have to do THAT the day after tomorrow. but by then it's late. so, sure, be somewhere in the middle, but make very sure you are on the correct side of middle | 00:20 |
| RougeR | contingo, :l cant do that in jersey | 00:20 |
| LjL | laviniathon[m], where do you live and do you have a reason to believe you have caught COVID-19 specifically as opposed to having a flu or a cold? | 00:21 |
| laviniathon[m] | Sore throat, runny nose, dizziness | 00:21 |
| Timvde | LjL: I'll probably start working from home from next week Wednesday onwards | 00:21 |
| RougeR | runny nose is not a symptom often | 00:21 |
| LjL | laviniathon[m], runny nose is not often a symptom | 00:21 |
| RougeR | laviniathon[m], do you have muscle fatigue | 00:22 |
| Timvde | So yea, I suppose that's in the "you could do that today" category | 00:22 |
| RougeR | fever? | 00:22 |
| Timvde | but I have a lot of meetings still planned, sadly :) | 00:22 |
| RougeR | Timvde, LjL there is somewhat of a balance on the economy/people surviving financially | 00:22 |
| LjL | Timvde, it may sound like a short time, but have a good look at graphs to see what can happen in one week | 00:22 |
| laviniathon[m] | Muscle fatigue, no | 00:22 |
| RougeR | as i said, many in UK cant afford to not work | 00:22 |
| laviniathon[m] | I guess I’ll never know | 00:23 |
| RougeR | UK is Italy in 2 weeks | 00:23 |
| RougeR | need to keep reminding myself :l | 00:23 |
| LjL | Timvde, i've found that times seem longer when they're in the future, than when they're in the past and you realize the store is already out of everything and you're being told you can't go to the store without a paper anyway | 00:23 |
| RougeR | i should order more stock | 00:23 |
| laviniathon[m] | Unless I get the test, | 00:23 |
| RougeR | laviniathon[m], which country | 00:23 |
| laviniathon[m] | <RougeR "i should order more stock"> Yes or Bitcoin | 00:23 |
| RougeR | laviniathon[m], haha i meant meds | 00:23 |
| RougeR | i dont want to lose my hair | 00:23 |
| Birosso | Hmmm, my university in Germany sent an email today banning anyone who has recently returned from a "high-risk" region from entering the university's premises, until testing has been conducted. | 00:24 |
| RougeR | LjL, whats the pharmacy situation in italy? | 00:24 |
| Timvde | Birosso: That I find perfectly reasonable | 00:24 |
| Birosso | A pretty drastic measure, actually, considering our university is one of the more international ones. | 00:24 |
| LjL | 's university | 00:24 |
| LjL | that came out bad | 00:24 |
| Birosso | ... | 00:24 |
| LjL | RougeR, i went to the pharmacy today, they kept us waiting outside, they were wearing hoods (that i don't think protect them, not sure why they aren't wearing masks), and there were yellow lines we had to stay behind... but drugs are still available. | 00:25 |
| LjL | however i believe there will be a drug shortage eventually | 00:25 |
| LjL | Birosso, my keyboard has ' next to Enter honest to god | 00:25 |
| LjL | oh they've published the law | 00:26 |
| RougeR | giggity | 00:26 |
| contingo | RougeR I thought islanders especially would have some arrangements to have big sacks of staples, but maybe that's the influence of a docu I watched on really remote islands where shipping is always occasional | 00:26 |
| Birosso | Strange keyboard. | 00:26 |
| contingo | > RougeR I thought islanders especially would have some arrangements to have big sacks of staples, but maybe that's the influence of a docu I watched on really remote islands where shipping is always occasional | 00:27 |
| RougeR | contingo, yeah people here are too coddled | 00:27 |
| RougeR | its only 14 miles from france and like 50 from uk | 00:27 |
| RougeR | we do keep having big storms stopping supplies | 00:27 |
| RougeR | and all the shops here are 2-3x as expensive as the UK (depends on items) | 00:28 |
| contingo | I recall that from Alderney | 00:28 |
| RougeR | yeahh | 00:29 |
| RougeR | like baked beans are 80p a can singles | 00:29 |
| RougeR | 50-60p 6 packs | 00:29 |
| contingo | it would have been made up for by the different banknote design meaning I kept getting change from £50 for £20 notes, or from £20 for tenners | 00:29 |
| LjL | hmmmm in the actual law it kinda looks like it leaves it very open to regions to "reduce to the minimum" all public transport | 00:30 |
| contingo | something like that kept happening | 00:30 |
| contingo | but I was honest | 00:30 |
| LjL | also they can serve foods along roads, motorways, stations, and airports, because it's well-known those are usually the most hygienic type of restaurant | 00:30 |
| RougeR | lol contingo im pretty good on that | 00:30 |
| RougeR | colour blind | 00:30 |
| Timvde | The only thing I'm really bad at, is getting enough sleep | 00:30 |
| Timvde | So I guess I better go to bed | 00:30 |
| contingo | sleep well | 00:32 |
| LjL | this is ridiculous | 00:34 |
| LjL | they're closing "all" shops | 00:34 |
| LjL | except... for all shops | 00:34 |
| LjL | there's an attached list of things that can remain open, and it covers basically everything | 00:34 |
| LjL | not just what he said on TV, not even close | 00:34 |
| LjL | in practice bars (cafes), pubs and restaurants are the only things that *do* have to remain closed, but then, they already had to close at 18:00 | 00:35 |
| contingo | I really shouldn't electively be going onto uni campuses, right | 00:35 |
| LjL | there is "non-wholesale reselling of small pets" among the list of things that can remain open | 00:35 |
| LjL | seriously? | 00:35 |
| contingo | hahaha | 00:36 |
| LjL | contingo, but there are less silly and more common things that are staying open, so really, it's everything | 00:37 |
| LjL | can't get the decree google translated because they only published scans ;( | 00:37 |
| LjL | not even with the paper straight, at that | 00:37 |
| contingo | Chains and dungeons ye are wooing / And the storm of death pursuing / Rebels to the known decree | 00:40 |
| contingo | maybe some other google service will still process the thing | 00:40 |
| LjL | i'd translate myself but some of these things i'm not sure how to translate | 00:41 |
| LjL | the pet thing above came out weird too | 00:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 23:33 UTC: DECRETO DEL PRESIDENTE DEL CONSIGLIO DEI MINISTRI 11 marzo 2020: Ulteriori disposizioni attuative del decreto-legge 23 febbraio 2020,n. 6, recante misure urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19, applicabili sull'interoterritorio nazionale. (20A01605) → https://is.gd/oUvyLl | 00:41 |
| LjL | i mean it was pretty weird to begin with | 00:41 |
| LjL | oh | 00:41 |
| LjL | maybe this will have a googleable text | 00:41 |
| LjL | gazzetta ufficiale publishing at half past midnight is a bit of a new thing | 00:41 |
| LjL | pffft i can't fit it all in one google translate page | 00:43 |
| LjL | contingo, well just go to https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gazzettaufficiale.it%2Feli%2Fid%2F2020%2F03%2F11%2F20A01605%2FSG for the article and then click on Attachment 1 for the hilarity | 00:44 |
| contingo | this is an exemption list? | 00:46 |
| LjL | contingo, i did double check after asking myself the same question. yes. | 00:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:34 UTC: 6 charts show the coronavirus impact on the global economy and markets so far: The spread of a new coronavirus disease — the COVID-19 — is one of the biggest threats to the global economy and financial markets. → https://is.gd/4IpyyT | 00:49 |
| contingo | so tattoo parlours must close | 00:49 |
| LjL | contingo, i knew you'd find the one thing | 00:52 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +2328 cases (now 230055), +50 deaths (now 8298), +23 recoveries (now 132058) 🔸 Australia: +1 cases (now 128) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 65) 🔸 Queensland, Australia: +2 cases (now 20) 🔸 South Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 9) 🔸 Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 21) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +3 cases (now 9) 🔸 Canada: +9 cases (now | 00:54 |
| contingo | so it was widely misreported here | 00:56 |
| contingo | as the closure of everything apart from supermarkets and pharmacies | 00:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:53 UTC: Travel industry could lose $24 billion as coronavirus cripples tourism from outside US: The U.S. travel and tourism industry could lose at least $24 billion in foreign spending this year because of the rapidly spreading coronavirus, according to data produced by Tourism Economics and first seen by CNBC. → https://is.gd/vEBTDr | 00:56 |
| LjL | contingo, understandably, since that's more or less what Conte said | 00:57 |
| LjL | they reported it before the text of the law came out | 00:57 |
| LjL | contingo, i want to hope that this was some sort of compromise with the regions so that if Lombardy says "no, actually for us, pet shops are not considered essential", they can do that. also the article about public transport is very cryptic, i am not sure but i have a suspicion it allows *nearly* shutting down all public transport | 00:58 |
| LjL | although that wasn't something Conte even said, he said it'd continue | 00:58 |
| CatButtes[m] | Anybody watching Trumps conference? | 01:00 |
| mandiblegrip | CatButtes[m]: I'm watiing for this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k19WyNDHlmY | 01:01 |
| mandiblegrip | CatButtes[m]: Is there another? | 01:01 |
| CatButtes[m] | Nah that’s the one I was thinking of. I just fucked up my time zones | 01:02 |
| CatButtes[m] | Had it down as midnight GMT rather than 0100 | 01:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 23:55 UTC: Coronavirus: Coronavirus Crisis: Your Questions Answered | NBC News (Live Stream) | Previous AMA guest → https://is.gd/swDJED | 01:04 |
| contingo | I'm watching Prof John Ashton's statement on Newsnight | 01:04 |
| slash_ | anyone know about Erdogan getting kicked in the balls by a horse? | 01:10 |
| romare | yup | 01:11 |
| romare | it was fun to watch | 01:11 |
| slash_ | romare I was deleting some of my ancient reddit saved comments and I came accross this lol | 01:12 |
| subring | trump's gonna have to deliver some tough-talk tonight | 01:12 |
| slash_ | looked quite painful | 01:12 |
| python476 | slash_: military ? | 01:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 00:11 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Coronavirus: PM set to escalate UK's response in a matter of hours | Politics News | Sky News → https://is.gd/kcxAwr | 01:12 |
| romare | slash_, weirdly nothing happened | 01:12 |
| slash_ | military? no it was like in a ring, like a show or something, the horse got mad | 01:12 |
| python476 | oh | 01:12 |
| python476 | humiliated then | 01:13 |
| slash_ | ehh a horse kicks just as hard in times of peace as in war I suppose | 01:13 |
| romare | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejmJahCRy-U | 01:13 |
| romare | it's pretty old | 01:13 |
| slash_ | yeah | 01:14 |
| slash_ | the saved comment was 7 years old | 01:14 |
| slash_ | but | 01:14 |
| romare | must be older than that | 01:14 |
| slash_ | the video yes | 01:14 |
| romare | 2003 | 01:14 |
| slash_ | but it is time that we let go of erdogans crushed balls | 01:15 |
| python476 | we only want fresh humiliation bro | 01:16 |
| slash_ | yeah | 01:16 |
| slash_ | like horse kicking him in the dick or something | 01:16 |
| slash_ | but, this is not the channel to talk about politicians and their genitals | 01:17 |
| ubLIX | it's amazing how fast this thing is moving. i keep thinking back to some event or milestone and thinking "oh that was weeks ago" then checking and finding it was only a couple of days ago | 01:17 |
| LjL | ubLIX, yup | 01:18 |
| slash_ | today was a huge number of new cases worldwide | 01:18 |
| slash_ | it is going hard in many EU countries | 01:18 |
| LjL | France got a +500 a short while ago in case you missed it, so now it's heads to heads with Spain | 01:18 |
| LjL | %cases spain | 01:18 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Spain, there are 2277 cases, 55 deaths (2.4% of cases), 183 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 00:55:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 01:18 |
| LjL | %cases france | 01:18 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, France, there are 2281 cases, 48 deaths (2.1% of cases), 12 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 00:55:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 01:18 |
| LjL | and once again a demonstration of how everyone counts recoveries completely differently | 01:19 |
| slash_ | and Qatar went from 24 in 1 day to 262 | 01:19 |
| slash_ | not sure what is happening there | 01:19 |
| LjL | a pandemic? | 01:19 |
| LjL | i mean we can actually use the word now | 01:19 |
| slash_ | p.. | 01:20 |
| slash_ | pan.. | 01:20 |
| dTal | If you missed it this article is great: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca | 01:20 |
| slash_ | pandemic | 01:20 |
| python476 | ubLIX: ever seen an animated spread graph online ? | 01:20 |
| ubLIX | nope, don't think so. link? | 01:20 |
| slash_ | why animated? | 01:21 |
| slash_ | numbers arent coming in THAT fast | 01:21 |
| LjL | i think there's some animated ones in the TOPIC LINKS | 01:21 |
| LjL | the ones i write and no one reads | 01:21 |
| ubLIX | would be interesting for looking backwards though | 01:21 |
| romare | this one is cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgylp3Td1Bw&feature=youtu.be | 01:22 |
| romare | and pretty up to date | 01:22 |
| romare | and the music is good to sleep to | 01:22 |
| slash_ | lofi hipop music to sleep/pandemic to | 01:23 |
| romare | lol | 01:24 |
| slash_ | animation is lofi hiphop girl on a respirator in the hospital | 01:24 |
| romare | LMFAO | 01:24 |
| slash_ | ok maybe this is a bad idea | 01:24 |
| romare | oh man I'm still laughing | 01:25 |
| slash_ | beats to relax/have pneumonia to | 01:25 |
| romare | LOL STOP | 01:25 |
| slash_ | I am so sorry | 01:26 |
| LjL | dTal, i missed it | 01:26 |
| python476 | ubLIX: sorry if I misguided you, I was looking for one :) | 01:26 |
| python476 | let's see if youtube delivers | 01:27 |
| ubLIX | oh | 01:27 |
| python476 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7IqpqLV9M0 | 01:27 |
| ubLIX | not what you're looking for, but it's animated, so: https://miro.medium.com/max/1340/1*PZesaMfoPxgYJBoQVtpmjQ.gif | 01:28 |
| slash_ | python476 well how does it end? which country wins? | 01:28 |
| slash_ | I hate these cliffhanger videos | 01:29 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 Germany: +58 cases (now 1966) 🔸 Australia: +1 cases (now 128) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 65) 🔸 Queensland, Australia: +2 cases (now 20) 🔸 South Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 9) 🔸 Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 21) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +3 cases (now 9) 🔸 Canada: +10 cases (now 109) 🔸 Alberta, Canada: +12 cases (now 19) 🔸 B | 01:30 |
| slash_ | !cases usa | 01:30 |
| LjL | %cases us | 01:30 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, US, there are 1302 cases, 38 deaths (2.9% of cases), 15 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 01:20:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:30 |
| keithn | so many bots to ignore | 01:30 |
| keithn | notice is a very irritating mechanism for sending messages to bot commands | 01:31 |
| slash_ | +308 cases today in US | 01:31 |
| LjL | keithn, too bad it's actually the RFC recommended way for bots to reply | 01:31 |
| slash_ | looks like testing in picking up | 01:31 |
| python476 | cant wait for washington to replace POTUS and VPOTUS | 01:31 |
| slash_ | python476 all the candidates are old, what happens if they all die due to virus before election? | 01:32 |
| slash_ | Yang will be the only survivor, will he become president by default? | 01:33 |
| romare | back when there were wars, young died and old ruled. this time it'll be the other way around | 01:33 |
| python476 | slash_: greta | 01:34 |
| slash_ | python476 but she's Swedish, also she was 16 last year, so I do not think she will be 35 this year | 01:34 |
| LjL | romare, oh i bet the old *and powerful* will generally find ways to stay alive | 01:35 |
| LjL | maybe not all of them, but most of them | 01:35 |
| ubLIX | this whole article dated yesterday (source of the above gif) delves into some interesting numbers/analyses/possibly useful for those late to the party, but then there are so many of these articles already | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:33 UTC: Travel industry could lose $24 billion as coronavirus cripples tourism from outside US: The U.S. travel and tourism industry could lose at least $24 billion in foreign spending this year because of the rapidly spreading coronavirus, according to data produced by Tourism Economics and first seen by CNBC. → https://is.gd/vEBTDr | 01:35 |
| slash_ | LjL but what if most of them die | 01:35 |
| ubLIX | https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca | 01:35 |
| slash_ | (please indulge my fantasy LjL) :3 | 01:36 |
| LjL | ubLIX, that's the one dTal linked a bit earlier, and which i subsequently added to the topic :P | 01:36 |
| python476 | slash_: youre too old fashioned | 01:36 |
| keithn | LjL yeah if the bot needs to send a message directly to the user who executed the command. Noticing the entire channel in response to one person's query is dumb. | 01:36 |
| ubLIX | ha ok | 01:36 |
| python476 | 2021 will see new rules and no frontiers | 01:36 |
| slash_ | python476 no frontiers? | 01:37 |
| LjL | slash_, i don't care really, i'm too focused on my family not dying. i mean... if i started thinking right now about what the world will be like after this, i probably wouldn't even want to come out of it alive | 01:37 |
| slash_ | I doubt that | 01:37 |
| slash_ | LjL I am sorry, I did not mean to detract from that. Family is much more important than any sort of political nonsense | 01:38 |
| python476 | slash_: i'm kidding but who knows the world order may crack | 01:38 |
| LjL | keithn, no, NOTICE was actually created for bots to answer *anywhere*, as a mechanism to avoid "bot loops": bots would know to ignore anything that's a NOTICE, and react only to things that are PRIVMSG. the fact this has not been done in many bots had led some IRC clients to treat NOTICEs in odd ways, that aren't very useful. now, many channels (like this one) are bridged with Matrix, and Matrix people typically *require* bots to use NOTICEs (well, the | 01:39 |
| LjL | Matrix equivalent thereof, which gets bridged here as NOTICEs). so now, if i make a bot send PRIVMSG, Matrix people will moan, and if i make it send NOTICE, IRC people (well, some of them anyway) will moan. welcome to the world of bridged chats | 01:39 |
| slash_ | LjL I think it goes for almost everyone, we survive not just for ourselves, but for our loved ones.. | 01:39 |
| keithn | LjL i dont think i have seen a bot work this way in the 23 years ive been using irc... not even on the old warez DCC bot channels. It's ok i can just ignore and not use the bots that dont play well with established convention. I just hope the two I got cover it. | 01:42 |
| LjL | keithn, you must simply not have been on many channels bridged with Matrix rooms. the bot that's using NOTICEs here is actually on Matrix. | 01:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Australia announces fiscal stimulus, WHO declares global pandemic → https://is.gd/pm6yfv | 01:43 |
| LjL | the Matrix bridge writers must have simply read https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459#section-4.4.2 | 01:44 |
| keithn | LjL: i have never heard of "matrix" until I just googled it | 01:45 |
| LjL | keithn, some things have changed on IRC, or at least on freenode, since 23 years ago i'm afraid (especially on freenode, given it didn't exist) | 01:45 |
| LjL | "tonight" meaning 13 minutes from now, apparently | 01:47 |
| LjL | that being Trump's speech to the nation | 01:47 |
| keithn | i am skeptical that this is that widely used | 01:47 |
| tinwhiskers | "There's not many cases. Soon there won't be any. We're doing a great job. Really great." | 01:48 |
| LjL | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k19WyNDHlmY | 01:48 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.youtube.com: President Trump will Address the Nation - YouTube | 01:48 |
| tinwhiskers | "Anyway the flu kill more people" | 01:49 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, don't be so cynical, maybe he's actually got the virus so he'll shut down the country | 01:49 |
| slash_ | the flu has killed more *so far*! | 01:49 |
| LjL | just not all at once | 01:49 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: we can hope | 01:50 |
| slash_ | it's annoying tho.. | 01:50 |
| slash_ | "it only killed 3k people in China!" | 01:50 |
| slash_ | yes after MASSIVE INTERVENTIOn | 01:50 |
| LjL | also it probably killed more, considering rumors on how deaths were counted in china | 01:51 |
| LjL | also it has already killed a significant proportion of that in Italy alone | 01:51 |
| slash_ | "also, because it only killed 3k people in China, we should do any intervention in the West" | 01:52 |
| LjL | maybe we're massively incompetent compared to China, but that's the point of massively intervening | 01:52 |
| tinwhiskers | I wonder if someone might be kind enough to give the major talking points here? I can't youtube today due to third-world telecoms infrastructure. | 01:52 |
| slash_ | LjL France is not taking strong measures because of elections in a few weeks... | 01:53 |
| LjL | slash_, there are elections? oh god | 01:53 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, what do you think i'm here for | 01:53 |
| slash_ | LjL yes | 01:53 |
| LjL | although i don't always understand what trump is saying | 01:53 |
| LjL | but i'm not sure that's my fault | 01:53 |
| LjL | slash_, national? regional? surely not national, Macron was elected like a week ago | 01:54 |
| tinwhiskers | nice | 01:54 |
| freebobby[m] | maybe germany's severity is down cuz sauerkraut | 01:54 |
| python476 | LjL: municipal (city mayors) | 01:54 |
| slash_ | LjL I think it is municpal elections | 01:54 |
| freebobby[m] | sauerkraut | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | freebobby[m] meant to say: muybe germany's severity is down cuz sauerkraut | 01:54 |
| LjL | python476, you do those all at once? | 01:55 |
| python476 | LjL: can't even answer that.. | 01:55 |
| python476 | I think all cities at once yeah | 01:55 |
| LjL | python476, elections are going to massively increase transmission | 01:55 |
| LjL | but i assume you already realize that | 01:55 |
| slash_ | LjL 15-22 march, it starts in a few days | 01:55 |
| LjL_salva_italia | Hola | 01:56 |
| python476 | LjL yes and people are confused | 01:56 |
| LjL | LjL_salva_italia, you're weird | 01:56 |
| python476 | Paris mayor invited everybody to vote | 01:56 |
| tinwhiskers | I spot another LjL. They're breeding. | 01:56 |
| python476 | saying "hygiene will be ensure" | 01:56 |
| python476 | ensured | 01:56 |
| LjL | python476, at least that way you don't let only the unhygienic vote, which might bias the results | 01:57 |
| LjL | wait, it's mostly French people we're talking about | 01:57 |
| LjL | probably doesn't make a difference | 01:57 |
| slash_ | python476 Hammond ensured Jurassic Park was safe | 01:57 |
| LjL_salva_italia | Who is Hammond? | 01:57 |
| slash_ | he ded | 01:58 |
| slash_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurassic_Park | 01:58 |
| slash_ | read this you damn Gen Z :P | 01:58 |
| LjL_salva_italia | Oh I know | 01:58 |
| LjL_salva_italia | Lolol | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 00:54 UTC: Coronavirus: Trump Addresses The Nation On Coronavirus From Oval Office | NBC News (Live Stream) → https://is.gd/0xk4be | 01:59 |
| LjL | LjL_salva_italia, could you possibly change that nick though? it has the somewhat annoying side effect of highlighting me every time you speak, or are highlighted ;( | 01:59 |
| LjL_salva_italia | When is trump going to cut everyone a check | 01:59 |
| python476 | slash_: yeah ok | 01:59 |
| LjL | i mean, i've loaded the stream, there's just nothing running yet | 02:00 |
| LjL_salva_italia | Sorry I don't know how to change it here. Don't worry it's very temporary | 02:00 |
| LjL | alrighty | 02:00 |
| skyofdust | <.< how did you put it in the first place? Just use the nick command | 02:01 |
| LjL_salva_italia | I'm on freenode webchat this is very confusing | 02:01 |
| skyofdust | use "/nick" | 02:02 |
| LjL | Trump speech starts | 02:02 |
| LjL | This is the most aggressive comprehensive effort to confront a virus in modern history | 02:02 |
| salvador_di_ital | And yet you know it hasn't been agrressive enough | 02:02 |
| LjL | From the beginning of time nations and people have faced huge challenges, always was, always will be | 02:02 |
| LjL | it only matters how you respond | 02:03 |
| LjL | and we're responding with the best team in the world | 02:03 |
| LjL | we've instituted sweeping travel restrictions with China | 02:03 |
| LjL | we declared a public health emergency and issued travel warnings with other countries | 02:03 |
| python476 | god no | 02:03 |
| slash_ | this looks weird.. Trump actually looks serious | 02:03 |
| skyofdust | The world sure took its sweet time to start doing that-. | 02:03 |
| LjL | taking early intense action we've seen fewer cases than in Europe | 02:03 |
| python476 | don't use your fingers to type trump | 02:03 |
| python476 | slash_: he got tested positive | 02:03 |
| LjL | "it's Europe's fault" | 02:03 |
| LjL | new clusters were seeded from Europe | 02:04 |
| python476 | told you.. dont type trump | 02:04 |
| LjL | to keep new cases from entering our shores | 02:04 |
| LjL | we will be suspending | 02:04 |
| slash_ | python476 for herpes? | 02:04 |
| python476 | for aids, herpes, syphylis, | 02:04 |
| LjL | all travel from europe to the US | 02:04 |
| python476 | slash_: dang | 02:04 |
| LjL | taking place at midnight | 02:04 |
| python476 | let me finish mah jokes bro | 02:04 |
| skyofdust | Oh yzuz | 02:04 |
| salvador_di_ital | Is ljl retyping the speech? | 02:04 |
| Birosso | He's actually blaming Europe. :D | 02:04 |
| LjL | there will be exceptions for americans who are doing something | 02:04 |
| python476 | Birosso: this man is a genius | 02:04 |
| LjL | for at least... i think he said 30 days? | 02:04 |
| LjL | these restrictions will NOT apply to the UK | 02:04 |
| python476 | hitler is clapping hard in his grave | 02:04 |
| slash_ | yeah 30 days | 02:04 |
| tinwhiskers | salvador_di_ital: yeah, some of us can't get it on youtube | 02:04 |
| python476 | yay, geopolitical move to suck uk's dick and shit on macron | 02:05 |
| python476 | smh | 02:05 |
| LjL | we are monitoring the situation in China and Korea, and will be re-evaluating the situation for a possible early re-opening of flights | 02:05 |
| salvador_di_ital | LjL parroting trump is instant classic | 02:05 |
| Birosso | Why won't they apply to the UK? WHY NOT?! | 02:05 |
| LjL | we will be doing something with insurance companies to blah blah | 02:05 |
| LjL | i signed into law last week a law giving some money for this | 02:05 |
| LjL | testing capabilities are expanding rapidly day by day | 02:05 |
| LjL | (lol) | 02:06 |
| LjL | for the vast majority of americans the risk is very low | 02:06 |
| LjL | healthy young people can expect to recover quickly | 02:06 |
| slash_ | the are blocking travel from EU AND UK | 02:06 |
| LjL | the highest risk is for people like Trump | 02:06 |
| LjL | in particular we are advising nursing homes to suspend visits | 02:06 |
| LjL | my administration is coordinating with communities with the largest outbreaks | 02:06 |
| LjL | and we have issued guidelines for school closures and social distancing and gatherings | 02:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 11 additional deaths, WHO declares global pandemic → https://is.gd/pm6yfv | 02:07 |
| LjL | every community faces different risks so you should follow the guidelines of local officials | 02:07 |
| salvador_di_ital | (lmao) | 02:07 |
| LjL | for all americans it is essential to practice good hygiene and take extra precautions | 02:07 |
| LjL | wash your hands, clean often used surfaces, clean your face, and if you're sick, stay home | 02:07 |
| LjL | to ensure that americans can stay home without financial consequences, i will provide financial relief | 02:07 |
| LjL | ill, quarantined, or caring for other people with the coronavirus will be taken care of by this relief | 02:07 |
| LjL | over the last three years we've had the greatest economy in the world by far | 02:08 |
| LjL | our banks and financial insistutions are strong | 02:08 |
| skyofdust | Yikes | 02:08 |
| LjL | this economic prosperity gives us the resources to handle any threat coming our ways | 02:08 |
| LjL | this is not a financial crisis | 02:08 |
| LjL | this is just a temporary moment that we will overcome | 02:08 |
| Birosso | *vast economic prosperity :D | 02:08 |
| LjL | tonight i am announcing the ofllowing additional actions | 02:08 |
| LjL | small business administration can provide capital liquidity to those affected by the coronavirus | 02:09 |
| LjL | economic loans in affected states and territories | 02:09 |
| LjL | will tackle disruptions caused by the virus | 02:09 |
| LjL | [need to pause] | 02:09 |
| skyofdust | Loans? is he serious? | 02:09 |
| LjL | will defer tax payments | 02:09 |
| slash_ | what the fuck this is the most coherent speech I've ever heard from Trump, is he drugged? | 02:09 |
| LjL | these actions will provide more than 200 billion of additional liquidity | 02:09 |
| LjL | all americans will also have immediate tax relief | 02:09 |
| LjL | we are at a very critical time in the fight against the virus | 02:09 |
| LjL | now we must take the same actions with europe as we took with china | 02:10 |
| salvador_di_ital | Lol slash | 02:10 |
| LjL | i will always put the wellbeing of americans first | 02:10 |
| slash_ | man I am serious lol | 02:10 |
| LjL | if we can reduce chance of infection, which we will, the virus will NOT HAVE A CHANCE AGAINST US | 02:10 |
| LjL | we have the best economy | 02:10 |
| LjL | the best healthcare | 02:10 |
| LjL | (LOL) | 02:10 |
| tinwhiskers | he's actually staying on-script for a change | 02:10 |
| LjL | and the most talented researchers in the world | 02:10 |
| Birosso | HE IS GOING OFF SCRIPT NOW :D | 02:10 |
| LjL | we must put politics aside | 02:10 |
| slash_ | this is like a regular US presidential speech | 02:10 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 02:10 |
| LjL | and fight together as one nation and one family | 02:10 |
| slash_ | it's freaking me out | 02:10 |
| LjL | as history has proven, america will always rise to the challenge and overcome it | 02:11 |
| LjL | we will heal the sick, care for those in needs, and emerge stronger and more unified | 02:11 |
| LjL | god bless you and god bless america | 02:11 |
| LjL | --- | 02:11 |
| slash_ | if Trump sounds coherent we are in deep fucking shit guys | 02:11 |
| Birosso | No flights from Europe except the UK. | 02:11 |
| Birosso | So petty. | 02:12 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: is that the end? | 02:12 |
| Birosso | tinwhiskers: Yes. | 02:12 |
| skyofdust | He likely sounds coherent because elections are happening soon. | 02:12 |
| salvador_di_ital | Why is ljl lol'ing | 02:12 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, didn't the god bless america part kind of indicate that? :P | 02:12 |
| tinwhiskers | salvador_di_ital: "best healthcare" | 02:12 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: right. I expected something more, but thank you very much for relaying that | 02:12 |
| salvador_di_ital | LoL | 02:13 |
| Birosso | Anyone who's ever been outside America would "lol" at the notion that America has "the best healthcare." | 02:13 |
| salvador_di_ital | That was the hawtest thing you've ever done LjL | 02:14 |
| LjL | salvador_di_ital, it was kinda harder than other transcriptions | 02:14 |
| LjL | guy speaks fast | 02:14 |
| skyofdust | Oh yeah, american healthcare is so poised on selling meds instead of recovery, it's truly evil they prescript opioids for any pain. | 02:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 01:11 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: BBC News - Coronavirus: Trump halts travel from Europe to US https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51846923 → https://is.gd/FsW9Rm | 02:14 |
| slash_ | I've never been inside America tho | 02:14 |
| tinwhiskers | the quality of US healthcare is good; probably second to none. It's the delivery system that sucks donkey balls. | 02:15 |
| python476 | delivery ? | 02:15 |
| python476 | pharmacies ? | 02:15 |
| python476 | uber pharm ? | 02:15 |
| salvador_di_ital | He say it's good for surgeries but bad for instantaneous response | 02:15 |
| tinwhiskers | the "healthcare system" itself. | 02:16 |
| slash_ | tinwhiskers basically that, good healthcare for the rich, worse than third world nation healthcare for the poort, or even none at all | 02:16 |
| tinwhiskers | no, that's no what I'm saying | 02:16 |
| tinwhiskers | slash_: yeah | 02:16 |
| skyofdust | Mexico is 3rd world and we have free healthcare. | 02:16 |
| skyofdust | There's really no excuse. | 02:16 |
| python476 | mexico healthcare consist of mafia doctor stabbing your heart, done | 02:16 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 02:17 |
| slash_ | US has some of the best doctors on Earth, but they will only help the elite | 02:17 |
| python476 | i heard india newest hospitals have been highly rated | 02:17 |
| salvador_di_ital | How do you know slash | 02:17 |
| Birosso | Egypt, where I come from, has more accessible healthcare than the US. | 02:17 |
| python476 | can someone confirm or infirm ? | 02:17 |
| python476 | egyptian healthcare delivery consists of camel rides, very efficient water wise | 02:18 |
| tinwhiskers | and the cost is extraordinary. It's a terrible system, with great doctors and great research capabilities. | 02:18 |
| salvador_di_ital | Bullcrap birosso!! | 02:18 |
| Birosso | salvador_di_ital: No. | 02:18 |
| Birosso | The quality is lower, but it's more accessible. | 02:18 |
| slash_ | salvador_di_ital government statistics reporting almost 80 million Americans that are uninsured | 02:18 |
| python476 | tinwhiskers: yeah but usually when people say great they mean on the whole population specrum | 02:18 |
| python476 | otherwise you can always have a billionaire paid private lab | 02:19 |
| Birosso | People are never afraid of going to the doctor or bank-breaking surprise medical bills. | 02:19 |
| salvador_di_ital | Yes I do not have insurance | 02:19 |
| python476 | also the private sector is too tied into healthcare (see purdue ) | 02:19 |
| tinwhiskers | python476: yeah | 02:19 |
| salvador_di_ital | True. We can't reform the medical system because we're scared of jobs being lost | 02:19 |
| python476 | cant fight unemployment with guns | 02:20 |
| slash_ | python476 well technically you could shoot all the unemployed people | 02:20 |
| slash_ | but this might violate some human rights laws I think | 02:21 |
| python476 | slash_: a couple of laws | 02:21 |
| slash_ | at least 1 | 02:21 |
| ubLIX | "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else" | 02:21 |
| slash_ | also the bible | 02:21 |
| python476 | ubLIX: my musical education makes me an american | 02:22 |
| LjL | ubLIX, i'll add that to the topic list of quotes about americans | 02:22 |
| python476 | this was literally my meta-pedagogical path | 02:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 01:15 UTC: Coronavirus: Megathread: President Trump announces 30-day Travel Ban between USA and Europe among other measures to curtail the Coronavirus Outbreak → https://is.gd/uPPtKD | 02:22 |
| python476 | paint the map with all the mistakes until truth emerges | 02:22 |
| LjL | python476, saying "meta-pedagogical" makes you either a greek, or too pretentious. so, either a greek or a frenchman. | 02:22 |
| LjL | i bet you're greek | 02:22 |
| python476 | I'm a pretentious french | 02:23 |
| slash_ | The US is a country of extremes... I am jealous of how super democratic local government is in the US, but I am horrified at how undemocratic the national government is | 02:23 |
| salvador_di_ital | I wish I had health insurance | 02:24 |
| python476 | so we all agree | 02:24 |
| Birosso | "I'm a pretentious French," implying there is any other kind. | 02:24 |
| python476 | covid is trump solution to greta thunberg | 02:24 |
| python476 | i'm a french^2 | 02:25 |
| tinwhiskers | covid is the universe's solution to trump | 02:25 |
| python476 | i hope so | 02:25 |
| python476 | but so far no more talks about climate | 02:25 |
| python476 | well, except the ones saying covid helped climate | 02:25 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 02:25 |
| slash_ | salvador_di_ital everyone should have health coverage | 02:25 |
| tinwhiskers | there will be a measurable short-term blip, but that's all it will be | 02:26 |
| salvador_di_ital | Well that was sexy n hawt LjL. I tuned in hoping you would do that transcribing and lucked out | 02:26 |
| salvador_di_ital | Gotta go kids | 02:26 |
| LjL | yay | 02:26 |
| LjL | boo | 02:26 |
| python476 | bye | 02:26 |
| slash_ | stay away from the coughint people! | 02:26 |
| LjL | coughing intelligence? | 02:27 |
| python476 | tinwhiskers: a blip sure, but we now have a new option on thesolutions map | 02:27 |
| python476 | FBI federal bureau of infected | 02:27 |
| salvador_di_ital | Slash_ everyone should have a roof over their head. Being not homeless improves average lifespan much more than having healthcare | 02:27 |
| tinwhiskers | :-) | 02:27 |
| salvador_di_ital | Slash I'll debate you later this is not over | 02:27 |
| LjL | salvador_di_ital, ¿por qué no los dos? | 02:27 |
| python476 | let me translate | 02:27 |
| python476 | paella is my favorite meal | 02:28 |
| python476 | did I get that right ? | 02:28 |
| python476 | oh no | 02:28 |
| slash_ | salvador_di_ital agreed, that is our constitution even | 02:28 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 02:28 |
| LjL | no, and also you have poor taste in food | 02:28 |
| salvador_di_ital | Constitution? | 02:28 |
| python476 | that's tennis is nadal as nadal is pasta | 02:28 |
| python476 | LjL mean | 02:28 |
| slash_ | salvador_di_ital in* our constitution.. sorry it is very late here getting tired hehe | 02:28 |
| python476 | i want to build wood cabins for homeless | 02:28 |
| salvador_di_ital | Having a roof over your head is guaranteed in Ireland? | 02:29 |
| salvador_di_ital | Or wherever you're from | 02:29 |
| python476 | Trump’s Top Coronavirus Expert: The President Is Full of Shit (vanityfair) | 02:29 |
| skyofdust | Hahahahahaha | 02:30 |
| salvador_di_ital | Constitutionally guaranteed housing? | 02:30 |
| slash_ | salvador_di_ital not sure about Ireland, but yes the constitution mandates that all citizens must have a home, the country is the Netherlands btw | 02:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 01:27 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Tom Hanks Says He Has Coronavirus - The New York Times → https://is.gd/NVQcZE | 02:30 |
| LjL | "Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson have announced that they have tested positive for COVID-19 (coronavirus), the first celebrities to go public with a diagnosis. Hanks and Wilson, both 63, revealed the news with a statement on Wednesday." ← i mean not that it matters a whole lot to me, but i have a feeling it's WAY more widespread in America than officially stated | 02:30 |
| Birosso | Same in Germany. Homeless people here are homeless by choice. | 02:30 |
| LjL | (although i think we're kind of all on the same page on this) | 02:30 |
| slash_ | salvador_di_ital it is up to the government to figure out how, free market or social housing, no rule, but all citizens must be housed | 02:31 |
| salvador_di_ital | That's amazing where do you live | 02:31 |
| salvador_di_ital | Sign me up lol | 02:31 |
| Birosso | He said the Netherlands. | 02:31 |
| LjL | salvador_di_ital, i hope they also give you free ADHD medicines in Ireland | 02:32 |
| salvador_di_ital | Oh sorry | 02:32 |
| Birosso | I would imagine the situation to be similar in Scandinavian countries as well. | 02:32 |
| slash_ | Netherlands, but I think most EU nations have something similar | 02:32 |
| LjL | or Belgium, wherever he's from | 02:32 |
| slash_ | like Birosso said, in Germany as well | 02:32 |
| LjL | slash_, lolno | 02:32 |
| slash_ | LjL not in Italy? | 02:32 |
| python476 | LjL indeed | 02:32 |
| python476 | also sad as Hanks is a great dude | 02:32 |
| LjL | slash_, well it's not like i've ever read the constitution beyond art. 14 or so | 02:32 |
| LjL | but no i don't think so | 02:32 |
| python476 | slash_: so how is it done ? are there enough shelters for every homeless person ? | 02:33 |
| python476 | (genuine question) | 02:33 |
| python476 | france says 'no to homeless' but in practice it's never improved much | 02:33 |
| LjL | homeless people here often tend to avoid shelters are they are unhygienic and dangerous :P | 02:34 |
| slash_ | python476 well it's hard currently yes, we have a housing crisis | 02:34 |
| slash_ | python476 but every homeless person can apply for assistance and get a place if they want | 02:34 |
| python476 | LjL yeah i know but i meant the plan | 02:34 |
| python476 | i'm sad when I see all unused offices.. | 02:34 |
| slash_ | python476 we have very few homeless people though | 02:34 |
| salvador_di_ital | So the constitutional ordainment is kinda bullshit | 02:34 |
| python476 | slash_: that's because you all look unclean | 02:35 |
| python476 | (sorry, gratuitous joke) | 02:35 |
| python476 | (dont hit me) | 02:35 |
| slash_ | python476 haha | 02:35 |
| LjL | everybody hit him | 02:35 |
| salvador_di_ital | LoL | 02:35 |
| python476 | now* | 02:35 |
| salvador_di_ital | LjL you are so sexy and on fire today | 02:35 |
| slash_ | python476 yeah I don't think Dutch people will win fashion awards in general lol | 02:35 |
| ubLIX | on the medium.com/@tomaspueyo link, he used the heuristic (confirmed cases / 0.14) to estimate the true case count, giving ~9300 for America; while the heuristic seems a reasonable enough idea in some cases, i can't help feeling America must already be in much worse shape than that | 02:35 |
| oxalis | Sigh | 02:35 |
| python476 | man france was below germany earlier, and now on top again | 02:36 |
| LjL | salvador_di_ital, not sure if quite on fire but it was like 22°C today and i sweated when i was queuing outside of the pharmacy | 02:36 |
| oxalis | The USA has soooooo dickered this up | 02:36 |
| LjL | still better than it's gonna be if i'm going to be queuing in the rain though | 02:36 |
| slash_ | python476 it is an eternal struggle, France and Germany | 02:36 |
| tinwhiskers | well, the media must be going mad around the world right now. I can see the headlines; "Trump makes coherent speech" | 02:36 |
| salvador_di_ital | Oxalis no they haven't. Cuz remdesivir bro | 02:36 |
| oxalis | But was it? | 02:36 |
| slash_ | python476 maybe France can give alsace-lorraine to Germany to reduce numbers? jk jk | 02:37 |
| salvador_di_ital | Trump has always had a clear speaking voice he's amazing | 02:37 |
| tinwhiskers | it may have been devoid of content but it was coherent | 02:37 |
| oxalis | Jesus frisking Chico | 02:37 |
| Albright | Posted a comment about how we can't let this pandemic be an excuse for allowing politicians to abridge our right to assemble on HN 60 seconds ago and it's already got a downvote | 02:37 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, you mean like an EU press confedence? | 02:37 |
| LjL | or a WHO press conference for that matter | 02:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 01:35 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Jon Passantino su Twitter: "Breaking: The NBA just suspended the season after a player tested positive for coronavirus… " → https://is.gd/yXln0X | 02:38 |
| LjL | wait no those aren't coherent | 02:38 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, much like that | 02:38 |
| LjL | too much dodgy semantics on what a pandemic isn't | 02:38 |
| oxalis | Found the Russia operative | 02:38 |
| tinwhiskers | ah, yeah. well, at least they finally did it | 02:38 |
| salvador_di_ital | Relax oxalis it was a joke | 02:39 |
| oxalis | lol ok then | 02:40 |
| Albright | That NBA thing is big if true. Can't find any confirmation yet. | 02:40 |
| tinwhiskers | Albright: I'm not surprised. Are you trolling? | 02:40 |
| oxalis | I feel like I missed things | 02:40 |
| tinwhiskers | Politicians should be making it clear that you should not assemble and you should be listening | 02:41 |
| Albright | tinwhiskers: I did not write the post in a trollish way, if that's what you meant. | 02:41 |
| Albright | tinwhiskers: Politicians do not control me. It should be the other way around, in fact. | 02:41 |
| Albright | It's not, sadly, but that was the original idea. | 02:41 |
| Albright | Yahoo Sports has an article confirming the NBA cancellage: https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-suspends-season-after-player-reportedly-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-013559701.html | 02:42 |
| tinwhiskers | wtff. this is a pandemic and you're complaining about politicians abridging your right to assemble. Is there something wrong with your brain? | 02:42 |
| Albright | tinwhiskers: That kind of attitude is how we got the Patriot Act and the TSA and other post-9/11 silliness. | 02:43 |
| Albright | Going farther back, it's how we got Japanese internment camps. | 02:44 |
| oxalis | Albright truth! | 02:44 |
| tinwhiskers | omg. Do you lack any sense of perspective? | 02:44 |
| oxalis | We are Americans, so... yes? | 02:44 |
| Albright | It's during times of crisis when we must be most vigilant against state erosion of civil rights. | 02:44 |
| Albright | Sure, I have perspective. It's just a different perspective from yours, apparently. | 02:45 |
| tinwhiskers | what a fucking idiot | 02:45 |
| LjL | i think this article https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/09/people-shed-high-levels-of-coronavirus-study-finds-but-most-are-likely-not-infectious-after-recovery-begins/ provides a somewhat decent blend of the symptomatic vs asymptomatic transmission diatribe | 02:46 |
| Albright | tinwhiskers: You have the right to call me names, too. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 02:47 |
| python476 | cute graph https://preview.redd.it/ki7ebm2qc4m41.jpg?width=413&auto=webp&s=e2a36ff398b2ae790c46590510cd714b2c4643ac | 02:48 |
| python476 | slash_: you don't say https://preview.redd.it/5xn04sooq3m41.png?width=853&auto=webp&s=8a34de39f45497d927223e18383e511dd9d0b463 | 02:48 |
| python476 | yeah tinwhiskers go easy | 02:49 |
| Zalyssa | tinwhiskers has a point, albeit a poorly expressed one | 02:50 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm sure Albright is just trolling | 02:50 |
| dunnp | tom hanks positive for corona :( | 02:51 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, there was an article on China's power boosted surveillance measures and whether they are probably there to stay now. i had had similar thoughts. i think health comes first right now, and i understand your frustration, but the rest still exists (unless we die) so i can *kind of* understand a kneejerk reaction. remember how i reacted when the first lockdown was imposed here? | 02:51 |
| Albright | Not at all. I am an unironic ancap. | 02:51 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yes, but then you had a chance to think about it and realised that's the only way that things can be effective in an *emergency contagious disease outbreak* | 02:52 |
| tinwhiskers | I mean just asking people nicely is not going to work, right? | 02:53 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, it took me a night to cool my spirits. and i *am* still worried that it will be used as an excuse to keep our liberties restricted later... it's just not the foremost priority right now | 02:53 |
| Birosso | Italy doesn't have a promising track record. You're right to worry. | 02:53 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, no, but our government does still seem intent on asking people nicely, in practice if not in law | 02:53 |
| LjL | Birosso, can you point me to a country that does? really does? | 02:54 |
| Albright | That's whataboutism. :P | 02:54 |
| Birosso | LjL, yes. | 02:54 |
| LjL | Birosso, i won't even ask you to do it then | 02:55 |
| Birosso | You know me too well. | 02:56 |
| LjL | at least i finally have a decent Walkman before i die | 02:59 |
| Spec | LjL: oh, it arrived? | 02:59 |
| LjL | Spec, quickly! | 02:59 |
| Spec | nice | 02:59 |
| LjL | and it is v. nice | 02:59 |
| LjL | Spec, i talked to the seller some more, he's considering whether to cancel all his listings :( | 03:00 |
| BruntLIVE | CORONA | 03:00 |
| LjL | Birosso, i appear to have a MIDI rendition of the English Suites on this cassette for some reason | 03:00 |
| Spec | LjL: and it works well? :) | 03:01 |
| LjL | Spec, it works fine and tbh i'm probably just deaf but it sounds at least as good as the other more professional one to me | 03:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:52 UTC: Watch: President Donald Trump addresses nation on US response to coronavirus: President Donald Trump on Wednesday is expected address the nation from the oval office on the U.S. response to the deadly coronavirus outbreak, hours after the World Health Organization declared it a pandemic. → https://is.gd/QT5Mc7 | 03:01 |
| LjL | Spec, which is... pretty good unless i enable Dolby, which just muffles the trebles | 03:01 |
| Birosso | LjL, I want to have a decent piano before I die. It's at all order, I know, but a man can dream. | 03:01 |
| keithn | stupid bot | 03:01 |
| Birosso | LjL, MIDI Bach is actually extremely satisfying. | 03:01 |
| LjL | keithn, only one left to ignore! | 03:02 |
| Spec | I wouldn't mind if our administration prioritized health-related policies over economic based ones | 03:02 |
| Spec | although i suppose both are important | 03:02 |
| BruntLIVE | its too many fear fathers/mothers in news ramping this up. full of parental fear. | 03:02 |
| Spec | ? | 03:02 |
| superkuh | You don't need to be paying attention to the news or a parent to fear. | 03:02 |
| LjL | BruntLIVE, this sounded a bit like the stupidest thing i've heard today... and i've heard Trump speak | 03:03 |
| Spec | superkuh: Oh, hello. | 03:03 |
| Spec | LjL: pretty sure he was mostly reading from a script -- he sounded coherent | 03:04 |
| LjL | Spec, yeah that's what everybody else said | 03:04 |
| LjL | Spec, also he spoke way too damned fast, i couldn't keep up with transcribing ;( | 03:04 |
| Spec | LjL: i didn't understand 3/5ths of the words in this abstract, but, here you go: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/03/03/science.abb2762 | 03:04 |
| BruntLIVE | Media types who are Parents in the media should not be reporting this. They are alarmists and full of naked aimless emotion | 03:05 |
| Birosso | Ugh, science. | 03:05 |
| Birosso | This reads like a patent. | 03:05 |
| BruntLIVE | MSNBC sounds like a bunch of beta dads and scary moms | 03:05 |
| Birosso | Scary moms? | 03:06 |
| Spec | like, fish dad? | 03:06 |
| LjL | "beta dads"? what nonsense are you spouting? | 03:07 |
| BruntLIVE | MSNBC should not be allowed to report on this virus, its sickening | 03:07 |
| BruntLIVE | we need news not feelings | 03:07 |
| Spec | I'm not sure you'll find resonance with censoring news outlets here | 03:07 |
| LjL | Spec, i'd fail at the very first word of it if contingo hadn't talked to me about ACE2 | 03:08 |
| tinwhiskers | Gah. Looks like JH is playing with their data again | 03:08 |
| LjL | Birosso, wait, this can't be MIDI, that normally doesn't have Glenn Gould humming on top | 03:08 |
| Spec | the glycoprotein spike is the 'key' that binds to receptors on the cells and allows itself in, right? | 03:09 |
| LjL | Spec, this Walkman has multiple-track AMS! | 03:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 02:01 UTC: /u/slakmehl: This website provides daily updated visualization that aligns all countries by days from when they reached 100 cases, allowing a somewhat normalized comparison of their overall trajectories. This provides insight into how the virus is behaving in countries relative to each other, and get an idea of [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/0onMHq | 03:09 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, oh lord they hate us. well, you. | 03:09 |
| Spec | LjL: AMS? | 03:09 |
| Mr_Pink | RIP Tom Hanks :( | 03:09 |
| Spec | ah now that's a neat idea | 03:09 |
| LjL | Spec, automatic music search. it means the fast forward and rewind will stop when they detect silence (i.e. at start of new track). and if i press them n times, they will seek to n tracks | 03:09 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: I'm not going to attempt to keep up, so things will remain broken for a bit, maybe until tomorrow | 03:09 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, 'tis okay | 03:10 |
| dunnp | we are so far from doing anything meaningful with a structure that I'm pretty sure this paper won't be helpful in the immediate future | 03:10 |
| Spec | LjL: oh, fancy | 03:10 |
| LjL | why is Italy not even there in that Reddit chart, are we just being removed from the map now :( | 03:10 |
| Spec | LjL: *crossfades all tracks* | 03:11 |
| LjL | Spec, yes, that is the one big issue with it :P | 03:11 |
| Spec | LjL: i see italy | 03:11 |
| LjL | Spec, also while it's fast forwarding / rewinding, it repeatedly makes coded beeps that indicate what it's doing, and n=? | 03:11 |
| Spec | it's the line that goes off the top :P | 03:11 |
| LjL | Spec, oh i hadn't clicked so i wasn't seeing it ;( | 03:12 |
| Albright | Mr_Pink: I'm sure the dude has enough money to get the best of care. | 03:12 |
| LjL | Spec, also my tooth hurts. this is... to put it mildly... not the right time for dental work | 03:12 |
| dunnp | adding the ncov genomes to my class for multiple sequence alignment | 03:18 |
| dunnp | now all virtual | 03:18 |
| Spec | loool | 03:20 |
| Spec | trump said live to nation that trade+people will be restricted from europe | 03:21 |
| Spec | then tweeted > Hoping to get the payroll tax cut approved by both Republicans and Democrats, and please remember, very important for all countries & businesses to know that trade will in no way be affected by the 30-day restriction on travel from Europe. The restriction stops people not goods. | 03:21 |
| BruntLIVE | muslim ban still on? | 03:21 |
| dunnp | yea Spec - gotta excuse him cause he's a moron | 03:22 |
| LjL | Spec, i didn't actually hear a trade part | 03:22 |
| LjL | but maybe that's because i was too intent on transcribing the parts i did hear | 03:23 |
| dunnp | here is the full video with transcript: https://www.c-span.org/video/?470284-1/president-trump-travel-europe-us-suspended-30-days-uk | 03:25 |
| Albright | NBA's site's post about the suspension: https://www.nba.com/article/2020/03/11/nba-suspend-season-following-wednesdays-games | 03:26 |
| dunnp | These prohibitions will not only apply to the tremendous amount of trade and cargo but various other things as we get approval | 03:26 |
| dunnp | not sure why he would limit trade | 03:27 |
| Spec | dunnp: lol | 03:27 |
| Spec | there is some evidence the virus stays active on surfaces for quite some days, so trade would spread it, presumably | 03:27 |
| Spec | unless you have some decontamination processes | 03:28 |
| dunnp | takes a week or so for a boat to get here | 03:28 |
| LjL | Spec, oh except the WHO has told us otherwise all along to make sure we didn't stop trade with China | 03:28 |
| LjL | i guess it's different NOW | 03:28 |
| python476 | ++ | 03:29 |
| Spec | dunnp: yes | 03:29 |
| Spec | LjL: is it different? i don't know | 03:29 |
| dunnp | https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(20)30046-3/fulltext | 03:29 |
| Spec | maybe it's vital to keep china economy alive enough to produce enough masks for the world :P | 03:29 |
| Spec | dunnp: ooo a nice paper | 03:29 |
| LjL | Spec, that's a bit hopeful, they're sending us one million, not one billion | 03:30 |
| RougeR | can we ban yanks? | 03:30 |
| RougeR | their response so far has been on par with a third world country | 03:30 |
| Spec | 9 days tho | 03:30 |
| RougeR | mean while trump acting like his shit dont stink | 03:30 |
| RougeR | and the US probably cases than italy | 03:30 |
| Spec | RougeR: he's fucked up a fair amount now, ya | 03:30 |
| LjL | RougeR, to be fair they've also got like 5 times our population | 03:31 |
| RougeR | LjL, true | 03:31 |
| RougeR | but my point stands | 03:31 |
| LjL | RougeR, but also they are keeping flights with the UK going <3 | 03:31 |
| RougeR | are they ahhaha | 03:31 |
| RougeR | why | 03:31 |
| LjL | have you ever looked Johnson's hair color | 03:31 |
| LjL | it's the same as Trump, only not tweaked for NTSC televisions | 03:31 |
| RougeR | "The measure would go into effect on Friday at midnight and last 30 days, Trump said. American citizens “who have undergone appropriate screenings” would be excluded, Trump said, as well as travel from the United Kingdom." | 03:32 |
| exoteric | NTSC? that's not the standard anymore | 03:32 |
| LjL | exoteric, sure, ruin my joke like that | 03:32 |
| exoteric | oh I get it, I think | 03:32 |
| exoteric | pardon | 03:32 |
| LjL | NTSC was known to give... questionable colors | 03:33 |
| dunnp | https://twitter.com/ellen_perleberg/status/1237601949521862657?s=21 | 03:33 |
| Spec | exoteric: come on, pal | 03:33 |
| dunnp | remember to wear clothes for your video conferences | 03:34 |
| exoteric | yeah | 03:34 |
| exoteric | good one | 03:34 |
| Spec | hehe, i've been working remote for some time now | 03:34 |
| dunnp | what country are you in Spec? | 03:34 |
| RougeR | Spec, waist up only ;() | 03:34 |
| Spec | RougeR: :D | 03:35 |
| RougeR | night all | 03:35 |
| Spec | dunnp: i'm in the United States of America | 03:35 |
| Spec | God will protect us | 03:35 |
| RougeR | main NCOV look kindly on your souls | 03:35 |
| RougeR | may | 03:35 |
| dunnp | eagles gonna come clean up our mess | 03:35 |
| RougeR | “Taking early intense action, we have seen dramatically fewer cases of the virus in the United States than are now present in Europe,” he said. “The European union failed to take the same precautions and restrict travel from China and other hot spots.” | 03:35 |
| RougeR | “As a result, a large number of new clusters in the United States were seeded by travelers from Europe.” | 03:35 |
| RougeR | Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet fucked | 03:36 |
| dunnp | please ignore the causal racism | 03:36 |
| dunnp | nationalism? | 03:36 |
| dunnp | US is going to be way worse off IMO | 03:37 |
| ubLIX | causal? | 03:37 |
| dunnp | casual | 03:37 |
| RougeR | dunnp, USA is 3rd world for this | 03:37 |
| dunnp | I agree | 03:37 |
| dunnp | it will get very bad | 03:37 |
| ubLIX | i mean, he's not wrong | 03:37 |
| RougeR | we should ban then just to stop them from harming us if SOMEHOW europe does get its axct together | 03:38 |
| dunnp | they just don't understand how exponentials work | 03:38 |
| ubLIX | " we have seen dramatically fewer cases" | 03:38 |
| RougeR | ubLIX, trump flew in the virus, then spread it | 03:38 |
| RougeR | "seen" | 03:38 |
| RougeR | hahaha | 03:38 |
| RougeR | yeah | 03:38 |
| RougeR | unseen its a bloodbath | 03:38 |
| ubLIX | %data Europe | 03:39 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +262 cases (now 230353), +28 deaths (now 8327), +2424 recoveries (now 134505) 🔶 Republic of Korea: +114 cases (now 7869), +6 deaths (now 66), +45 recoveries (now 333) 🔶 Mainland China: +6 cases (now 80796), +11 deaths (now 3169), +1170 recoveries (now 62801) 🔶 Denmark, Denmark: +72 cases (now 514) 🔶 Hubei, China: +8 cases (now 67781), +10 deaths (now 3056), +1164 recoveries (now 50298) 🔶 China: +1 | 03:39 |
| Brainstorm | ubLIX: Sorry, Europe not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 03:39 |
| ubLIX | offloop is borked | 03:40 |
| RougeR | seriously | 03:40 |
| RougeR | trump can go fuck himself with a rusty ncov dildo | 03:40 |
| RougeR | imcompetent cunt | 03:40 |
| RougeR | like ive got used to him | 03:40 |
| tinwhiskers | JH is in the process of renaming their series AGAIN, so you get double-ups on "China" and "Mainland China" right now | 03:40 |
| RougeR | "THEEEE INCOMPETENT URRRRRRUPEAN UNION ALLOWED THE VUURRUS TO SPRUDDDD" | 03:40 |
| tinwhiskers | Just consider the data b0rked right now | 03:41 |
| LjL | %data EU | 03:41 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Reunion, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 00:13:07 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Reunion for time series data. | 03:41 |
| LjL | ;( | 03:41 |
| LjL | ubLIX, https://offloop.net/covid19/ does have cumulative EU data though | 03:41 |
| tinwhiskers | (expand the "World" node to see EU, etc.) | 03:42 |
| ubLIX | ah | 03:42 |
| ubLIX | well, still showing ~22,000 cases for EU | 03:44 |
| ubLIX | easily conceivable US right now has hidden more than that | 03:44 |
| tinwhiskers | if you right-click on EU it'll select all the member countries and you can see how they are contributing to the total. | 03:45 |
| ubLIX | o nice | 03:45 |
| dunnp | yea some cases out West that are not even connected to travel indicate a lot more community transmission than thought | 03:45 |
| LjL | dunnp, also these famous people starting to test positive (and state it) | 03:50 |
| LjL | i suspect that tends to happen when it's pretty widespread | 03:50 |
| dunnp | yea | 03:50 |
| dunnp | although they shake lots of hands | 03:50 |
| LjL | dunnp, if only someone had thought of something like a policy of not doing that anymore! | 03:51 |
| Mr_Pink | https://twitter.com/RobDauster/status/1237931942680674304?s=19 | 03:51 |
| Mr_Pink | Kansas coach hospital bound | 03:51 |
| dunnp | jfc | 03:52 |
| fructose | South Korea is screwing up my plot... https://i.imgur.com/XAJwVqX.png | 03:54 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes, JH is renaming series again at present. Looks like it will be "Korea, South" when they are done this time | 03:54 |
| fructose | That too, but more the large doubling time. Good news at least | 03:55 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, don't they have, like, a pandemic to study? | 03:55 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh,. I see. Interesting. Nice | 03:55 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm sure they have an intern doing this | 03:56 |
| fructose | Without SK... https://i.imgur.com/4BpmL3C.png | 03:57 |
| LjL | fructose, is this saying there's some hope for Italy after all or am i completely misreading it | 03:58 |
| tinwhiskers | If fructose had the next day of data in there I don't think it would look so rosy | 03:59 |
| dunnp | fructose: how are you defining growth rate? | 03:59 |
| tinwhiskers | That's because of that low reporting of cases yesterday | 03:59 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yeah, i thought so about the spike... but still, even previously, it says it's been slowly improving? | 04:00 |
| tinwhiskers | It does | 04:00 |
| LjL | not something that's quite visible from the bare case graph | 04:00 |
| dunnp | just new cases / yesterdays new cases? | 04:00 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm struggling to see how | 04:00 |
| fructose | dunnp: (b-a)/a | 04:01 |
| tinwhiskers | That graph shows an increasing doubling time but the cases are increasing by more each day (except yesterday) so I don't see why the doubling time should increase. | 04:03 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, if they increase by *less* than you'd have expected based on the previously projected doubling time, then i guess that lowers the doubling time even if they're still increasing | 04:04 |
| LjL | this said in a not very mathematical way | 04:04 |
| dunnp | probably should do doubling time based on some estimate of average cases over the last 7 days and assume older are not able to spread anymore | 04:04 |
| fructose | It's not a highly sophisticated model. Using confirmed cases alone is never a good model | 04:05 |
| dunnp | yea | 04:05 |
| LjL | my tooth hurts. i suspect it won't be particularly easy to see a dentist in the near (or far?) future | 04:06 |
| tinwhiskers | garlic... cloves. | 04:06 |
| fructose | tinwhiskers: The growth is from day A to day B. It's not a mean of growth between each day in that range or anything | 04:06 |
| LjL | doesn't hurt to a point i can't stand it. just makes me worried something's up with it | 04:07 |
| fructose | And doubling time is using that growth rate via log(2) / log(1 + growth) | 04:07 |
| ubLIX | LjL: call it transient sensitivity up-regulated by generalised anxiety and assume it'll be gone by morning | 04:08 |
| ubLIX | well, laaater in the morning | 04:08 |
| tinwhiskers | fructose: oh. I see | 04:08 |
| tinwhiskers | Well, it seems wrong. The doubling time should be lower now than a few days ago. | 04:09 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm. wait. Ignore that | 04:10 |
| tinwhiskers | I see | 04:10 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 04:10 |
| tinwhiskers | Apparently Taiwan has been removed from the JH dataset and moved into China :-/ | 04:13 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, maybe that's just another change in progress. Never mind | 04:15 |
| LjL | ubLIX, yeah it does feel a bit like "nerve pain" that stays for a while but then goes awya | 04:15 |
| dunnp | https://twitter.com/JHUSystems/status/1237913391986966528 | 04:15 |
| LjL | ubLIX, still, we're all kind of alert about anything that may happen that's *not* the virus, but that could be unusually difficult to deal with *due* to the virus | 04:16 |
| dunnp | aligning with state department names | 04:16 |
| tinwhiskers | Thanks dunnp | 04:16 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, so according to that tweet they're pretty much... rolling it back? | 04:16 |
| tinwhiskers | they're re-changing it.. "South Korea" -> "Republic of Korea" -> "Korea, South" | 04:17 |
| tinwhiskers | "Mainland China" is going to be "China". Currently both datasets exist | 04:18 |
| tinwhiskers | A rose by any other name.... I hope they make their minds up soon | 04:18 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, no way, they still have to go through "PRC", "China (People's Republic of)", "中国"... | 04:22 |
| dunnp | this list maybe: https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/ | 04:22 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 04:22 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes, and why are we using only Enblish names? How insensitive. | 04:22 |
| tinwhiskers | It's not a problem that they change the names. That pretty much sorts itself out, except for adding up "Outside Mainland China", but the other sites use different names and I have to change them to match. However, having two series for the same place with different names really screws things up. | 04:24 |
| tinwhiskers | Also having data for all US states AND all US counties means the data is doubled up there so needs to be given special treatment. | 04:25 |
| tinwhiskers | It's a bit messy | 04:26 |
| superkuh | Aerosol and surface stability of HCoV-19 (SARS-CoV-2) compared to SARS-CoV-1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v1.full.pdf | 04:26 |
| dunnp | are you finding the other sources are better than the JHU aggregation? they seem to use a lot of sources as well | 04:26 |
| dunnp | do you just use the max of all sources? | 04:26 |
| tinwhiskers | JHU data is only updated once a day. Their arcgis is updated more often but not nearly as often as worldometers.info | 04:27 |
| tinwhiskers | dunnp: yeah, I use the max | 04:27 |
| tinwhiskers | COVIDINFO19.live is updated reasonably often also | 04:28 |
| tinwhiskers | err. COVID19info.live | 04:29 |
| dunnp | ooh neat sites | 04:31 |
| dunnp | worldometer almost looks hand curated? | 04:32 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, I think you may be right | 04:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 03:30 UTC: worldnews: Livethread: Global COVID-19 Pandemic → https://is.gd/qmzwLB | 04:33 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +66 cases (now 230419), +19 recoveries (now 134524) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 21) 🔸 Australia: +12 cases (now 139) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 65) 🔸 Queensland, Australia: +2 cases (now 20) 🔸 South Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 9) 🔸 Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 21) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +3 cases (now 9) 🔸 Canada: +19 | 04:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:42 UTC: American suspends pilot hiring as coronavirus takes a toll on travel: American Airlines is suspending pilot hiring as the rapid spread of coronavirus hurts, according to a note from the company, the latest measure by a major carrier to stem the pain of the coronavirus travel slump. → https://is.gd/XsJVNC | 04:48 |
| LjL | sleep will now occur | 05:00 |
| tinwhiskers | gn | 05:01 |
| spybert | heh | 05:05 |
| dunnp | wow so late LjL | 05:06 |
| dunnp | realDonaldTrump: glad you could join us - trade or no trade with EU? | 05:06 |
| realDonaldTrump | Yes | 05:07 |
| swift110 | hey all | 05:08 |
| realDonaldTrump | Hey | 05:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:14 UTC: Trump should 'get rid of tariffs,' says retail industry body: Elevated U.S. tariffs on China are an added pressure on retailers at a time the new coronavirus is spreading globally, said Steve Lamar of the American Apparel and Footwear Association. → https://is.gd/MvBB2q | 05:42 |
| Mr_Pink | https://twitter.com/ByMikeBaker/status/1237964149520338944?s=19 | 05:56 |
| Mr_Pink | Oregon banning events now | 05:56 |
| pwr22 | !cases oregon | 06:11 |
| pwr22 | !cases | 06:11 |
| twomoon | hi Birosso | 06:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:34 UTC: Europe markets poised to open lower after Trump restricts European travel to US: European markets are expected to open lower Thursday as investors react to President Donald Trump's decision to impose restrictions on European travel to the U.S. to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/DzKRtU | 06:52 |
| greyman | %data turkey | 07:00 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 Korea, South: +114 cases (now 7869), +6 deaths (now 66), +45 recoveries (now 333) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 21) 🔸 Australia: +12 cases (now 139) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 65) 🔸 Queensland, Australia: +2 cases (now 20) 🔸 South Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 9) 🔸 Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 21) 🔸 Western Australia, Australia: +3 cases ( | 07:00 |
| greyman | !data turkey | 07:00 |
| Brainstorm | greyman: In all areas, Turkey, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 04:33:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 07:00 |
| greyman | %cases turkey | 07:01 |
| Brainstorm | greyman: In all areas, Turkey, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 04:33:05 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 07:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:51 UTC: (news): China looks to bounce back from virus, but its recovery will likely be hurt by surging global cases → https://is.gd/rzccls | 07:08 |
| howyoubeen | Yeah, it will likely go on for months. | 07:13 |
| tinwhiskers | %cases world | 07:24 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, World, there are 140639 cases, 4812 deaths (3.4% of cases), 68783 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 06:55:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 07:24 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 6.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 07:24 |
| tinwhiskers | I see. That's wrong. | 07:25 |
| bdunn | Everyone catch Joe Rogan's guest? https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fgoll5/infectious_disease_expert_on_joe_rogan/ | 07:28 |
| subring | what did you all think about trump's comments? | 07:29 |
| bdunn | I try not to think about Trump. And I'm a libertarian. LOL | 07:30 |
| bdunn | But now I'm curious... going to go check it out. | 07:30 |
| subring | bdunn: aside from how you feel about him, he was announcing his administrations new measures, that's what i wanted opinions on | 07:32 |
| bdunn | You know that's true. Since this has gotten serious in the US I have heard nothing about the campaigns. So that's one good thing. | 07:32 |
| bdunn | Was that today? | 07:32 |
| subring | yes, a few hours ago. | 07:33 |
| subring | one of the big announcements was that all travel from europe to the us was being suspended for 30 days | 07:33 |
| bdunn | WOAH. That's huge. Looking for it now. Was distracted by this: https://offloop.net/covid19/ | 07:33 |
| bdunn | Found it... watching. I missed that completely. | 07:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:40 UTC: Europe markets poised to open lower after Trump restricts European travel to US: European markets are expected to open lower Thursday as investors react to President Donald Trump's decision to impose restrictions on European travel to the U.S. to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/DzKRtU | 07:47 |
| azbycx | I'm worried about picking up my granddaughter from school everyday. | 08:19 |
| Mr_Pink | CA following OR: "Gov. Gavin Newsom announces that California public health officials have determined that gatherings of more than 250 people should be postponed or canceled across the state until at least the end of March." | 08:26 |
| subring | azbycx: how old are you? | 08:27 |
| Mr_Pink | Hell yeah way to go scientists! "Update. The Cleveland Clinic has developed a COVID 19 test that gives results in 8 hours as opposed to the 2-3 days it takes for the other tests. They developed the test in NINE days, I repeat nine. Scientists worked 24/7 once the CDC gave them the okay on 3/2." https://twitter.com/andrear9md/status/1237879211840303104?s=21 | 08:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:26 UTC: Italy closes most shops and restaurants as coronavirus death toll jumps 30% in 24 hours: Italy has tightened its nationwide lockdown further in response to the rising death toll from coronavirus, ordering all non-essential shops and services to close. → https://is.gd/jB4mdI | 08:33 |
| Albright | Roffle. I'm looking at a newsletter email offering tips for tech works who have to work from home. First one is "Find remote-friendly spaces locally, like Starbucks or Panera." | 08:34 |
| Albright | *tech workers | 08:35 |
| wiml | facepalm | 08:35 |
| azbycx | 60 | 08:39 |
| p_hpd[m] | how many are infected in Denmark ? | 08:39 |
| azbycx | but I got about everything on the list, diabeties, had cancer, high blood pressure, smoker, etc.. lol | 08:39 |
| azbycx | oh sliglty obease | 08:40 |
| azbycx | im already the walking dead. | 08:40 |
| azbycx | s/got/have/ | 08:44 |
| Brainstorm | azbycx meant to say: but I have about everything on the list, diabeties, had cancer, high blood pressure, smoker, etc.. lol | 08:44 |
| azbycx | ty brainstorm, i wasn't expecting that when typing in a sed command. :) | 08:45 |
| Brainstorm | My pleasure | 08:45 |
| Mr_Pink | hah a breakdown of the day https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status/1237968722217684992 | 08:47 |
| azbycx | where can read up on all your capabilities brainstorm? | 08:50 |
| azbycx | brainstorm help | 08:50 |
| p_hpd[m] | @brainstorm how many are infected in Denmark | 08:51 |
| azbycx | %cases denmark | 08:53 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 King County, WA, US: +74 cases (now 190), +1 deaths (now 22) 🔶 Austria: +56 cases (now 302) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 21) 🔸 Australia: +22 cases (now 149) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 65) 🔸 Queensland, Australia: +2 cases (now 20) 🔸 South Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 9) 🔸 Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 21) 🔸 Western Australia, Austra | 08:53 |
| azbycx | %infected denmark | 08:53 |
| p_hpd[m] | what about Denmark | 08:54 |
| Brainstorm | azbycx: In all areas, Denmark, there are 514 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 08:40:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Denmark for time series data. | 08:54 |
| azbycx | sorry, was trying to figure out how brainstorm works. | 08:55 |
| azbycx | %data Denmark | 08:56 |
| Brainstorm | azbycx: In all areas, Denmark, there are 514 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 08:40:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Denmark for time series data. | 08:56 |
| azbycx | %help | 08:56 |
| Brainstorm | azbycx: Hi, I am LjL's bot! Say %modules or %commands to me in private to see my features. | 08:56 |
| azbycx | sweet. :) | 08:56 |
| azbycx | been around 15 years since I used irc. lol | 08:57 |
| BoNgleger | %data germany | 09:00 |
| Brainstorm | BoNgleger: In all areas, Germany, there are 1966 cases, 3 deaths (0.2% of cases), 25 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 02:33:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 09:00 |
| subring | azbycx: you're young! you'll be ok. it really gets bad for 80+ | 09:05 |
| azbycx | Fingers crossed. :) | 09:09 |
| Poon | %data sweden | 09:09 |
| Brainstorm | Poon: In all areas, Sweden, there are 500 cases, 1 deaths (0.2% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 20:33:02 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sweden for time series data. | 09:09 |
| Poon | %data viet nan | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | Poon: Sorry, viet nan not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 09:10 |
| Poon | %data viet nam | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | Poon: Sorry, viet nam not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 09:10 |
| BoNgleger | %data vietnam | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | BoNgleger: In all areas, Vietnam, there are 39 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 08:50:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vietnam for time series data. | 09:10 |
| CatButtes[m] | Poon: it’s all one word | 09:11 |
| CatButtes[m] | %data uk | 09:11 |
| Brainstorm | CatButtes[m]: In all areas, UK, there are 456 cases, 8 deaths (1.8% of cases), 18 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 08:50:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=UK for time series data. | 09:11 |
| azbycx | yesterday it was 2 | 09:11 |
| Poon | yesterday, it two words 😂 | 09:11 |
| CatButtes[m] | Damn. Somebody fucked up the data entry then! | 09:11 |
| azbycx | I see the John Hopkins site also now is showing it as one word. | 09:11 |
| CatButtes[m] | I’m surprised they made that mistake | 09:12 |
| CatButtes[m] | Although I can see a tired grad student hitting space by mistake | 09:12 |
| azbycx | i was totally confused. | 09:12 |
| azbycx | https://www.thepatent.news/2020/03/11/coronavirus-vaccine-test-volunteers/ | 09:17 |
| fructose | azbycx: Crossing your fingers is an extremely bad strategy given what you've told us | 09:30 |
| azbycx | Hoping her parents will find another way for her to get picked up and watched until they get out of work soon. | 09:40 |
| azbycx | every time I try to bring up the subject they tune me out. | 09:41 |
| fructose | azbycx: Facts are facts. This is going to spread and children are carriers. Other people being in denial shouldn't interfere with your strategy to survive. | 09:45 |
| azbycx | I'll have to give it another go over the weekend. | 09:49 |
| azbycx | Im just a bit surprised more grandparents aren't in the same situation as I am in. | 09:51 |
| azbycx | or ones who have been in this situation and can offer up some ways to deal with it as well. | 09:52 |
| azbycx | I suppose by the time its safe to mingle again, they will be over their anger at me for not helping them any longer. :) | 09:53 |
| fructose | azbycx: It's not a negotiation. You're putting yourself at risk of death or not. | 09:54 |
| fructose | azbycx: Also putting others in more risk if you do get sick and consume scarce medical resources. | 09:54 |
| darsie | How successful is extracorporeal membrane oxygenation with covid-19? | 09:56 |
| azbycx | catch 22 situation. | 09:56 |
| azbycx | thanks for the chat, it has been helpful. :) | 09:58 |
| fructose | darsie: I'm not immediately finding data, but it's recommended for consideration | 10:01 |
| darsie | ok | 10:01 |
| darsie | Cause I'm surprised it didn't work for Li Wenliang. | 10:04 |
| fructose | darsie: As far as I know, it's reasonable to think he received a barrage of exposure leading to a higher viral load | 10:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:11 UTC: (news): Dow futures drop 1,100 points as Trump speech fails to calm investors rattled by coronavirus fears → https://is.gd/VC9K4u | 10:15 |
| fructose | darsie: Invasion of the CNS is also suspected | 10:15 |
| CatButtes[m] | darsie: are you looking the the UK situation with about 15 extracorporeal oxygenation machines? | 10:16 |
| adventurer | wow | 10:24 |
| darsie | CatButtes[m]: No. | 10:28 |
| darsie | fructose: IIRC he suffered from low blood oxygen. 85%. | 10:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:32 UTC: (news): Italy closes most shops and restaurants as coronavirus death toll jumps 30% in 24 hours → https://is.gd/jB4mdI | 10:38 |
| mefistofeles | %cases italy | 10:47 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 Denmark: +101 cases (now 615) 🔸 Algeria: +4 cases (now 24), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 21) 🔸 Australia: +29 cases (now 156), +2 recoveries (now 26) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 65) 🔸 Queensland, Australia: +2 cases (now 20) 🔸 South Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 9) 🔸 Tasmania, Australia: +1 cases (now 3) 🔸 Victoria, Australia: +3 cases (now 21) 🔸 Western Australia | 10:47 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Italy, there are 12462 cases, 827 deaths (6.6% of cases), 1045 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 07:35:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 10:48 |
| darsie | %data austria | 10:57 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +860 cases (now 126921), +12 deaths (now 4645), +406 recoveries (now 68441) 🔸 Algeria: +4 cases (now 24), +1 deaths (now 1), +8 recoveries (now 8) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 21) 🔸 Australia: +29 cases (now 156), +2 recoveries (now 26) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 65) 🔸 Queensland, Australia: +2 cases (now 20) 🔸 South Australia, Australia: +2 cases (now 9) 🔸 Tasmania, Australia: +1 ca | 10:57 |
| darsie | Austria is not the world, yet. | 10:57 |
| Brainstorm | darsie: In all areas, Austria, there are 302 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 4 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 09:33:13 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria for time series data. | 10:57 |
| darsie | ah :) | 10:57 |
| darsie | Are there public exponents for exponential coronavirus spread? | 10:58 |
| darsie | and/or case number prognosis? | 10:59 |
| pwr22 | tinwhiskers: did your data sources eventually become sensible? | 11:00 |
| mandiblegrip | darsie: Are you asking for the parameters to the mathematical function? | 11:00 |
| darsie | mandiblegrip: I guess. | 11:00 |
| mefistofeles | darsie: the prognosis is just the case fatality ratio, you can just compute that directly from the data | 11:01 |
| mandiblegrip | darsie: I would think the R0 would be one of the chief parameters, and that remains elusive and dependent on too many factors to count. | 11:01 |
| mandiblegrip | darsie: However I feel sure there are attempts at modelling, but you would probably have to get into some serious mathematics. | 11:01 |
| darsie | Extended prognosis ofc is more than just exponential growth, cause it levels off eventually. | 11:01 |
| mandiblegrip | darsie: Ideally the exponent would itself be some kind of decreasing function. I suppose you could call it damping? | 11:02 |
| darsie | And previous data can get outdatet as soon as measures change. | 11:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:07 UTC: (news): Italy closes bars, restaurants and most shops as coronavirus death toll jumps 30% → https://is.gd/jB4mdI | 11:09 |
| mefistofeles | as to fitting, I guess a logit fit should be best, considering the spread will slowdown and maybe stop eventually | 11:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:29 UTC: (news): Stock futures tank, hit 'limit down' after Trump coronavirus speech; Dow set to fall 1,100 points → https://is.gd/VC9K4u | 11:32 |
| python476 | just in case its new to you https://community.wolfram.com/groups/-/m/t/1872608 | 11:44 |
| mefistofeles | %title | 11:48 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From community.wolfram.com: [UPDATES] Resources For Novel Coronavirus COVID-19 - Online Technical Discussion GroupsWolfram Community | 11:48 |
| python476 | it's a wolfram notebook thing | 11:53 |
| python476 | graphs, stats etc | 11:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:59 UTC: (news): Italy closes bars, restaurants and most shops as coronavirus death toll jumps 30% → https://is.gd/jB4mdI | 12:03 |
| calbasi_matrix | Catalonia (Europe, 7,5M population) will close its schools, etc starting next Monday | 12:07 |
| pwr22 | Is Catalonia independent of Spain? | 12:15 |
| pwr22 | !cases uk | 12:16 |
| pwr22 | !cases united kingdom | 12:16 |
| pwr22 | LjL, tinwhiskers: bloody JHU! | 12:16 |
| pwr22 | !cases us | 12:16 |
| pwr22 | At least they could aim for consistency | 12:16 |
| LeoBodnar | that masks claim makes no sense | 12:21 |
| LeoBodnar | "some studies have estimated a roughly fivefold protection" yet "masks will probably make little difference if you’re just walking around town or taking a bus" | 12:21 |
| CatButtes[m] | LeoBodnar: It is probably down to useage. If you wear the mask for too long and keep adjusting it, you are negating any benefits it might have | 12:32 |
| CatButtes[m] | and most people will do those things | 12:32 |
| CatButtes[m] | whereas if you have it in a hospital setting and use it properly, it is extremely effective | 12:32 |
| LeoBodnar | it would be helpful to even specify what type of mask they are talking about | 12:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ at 11:26 UTC: Video consultations for covid-19: The rapid spread of covid-19, and the fact that healthcare facilities could be sources of contagion, has focused attention on new models of care that avoid face-to-face contact between clinician and... → https://is.gd/7KEUHR | 12:39 |
| Cloud | I figure they don't have enough masks so they say that but even a hanky would surely help stop me breathing in the droplets if someone sneezes near me even if just a bit | 12:41 |
| Cloud | but oh well | 12:41 |
| Cloud | the experts have spoken | 12:41 |
| Cloud | and it's not socially acceptable here | 12:41 |
| yuriwho | for average citizens, masks are most useful for preventing a sick person from spreading the virus. For proper use, they need to be fit tested and sealed on your face | 12:43 |
| python476 | it's too late now but I wish I made ionizing plasma filtered masks | 12:44 |
| adventurer | hahaha oxalis | 12:46 |
| oxalis | https://i.redd.it/43olqsk5q4m41.jpg | 12:46 |
| dTal | yuriwho: are you talking about surgical masks, disposable n95s, or respirators? | 12:47 |
| yuriwho | respirators | 12:47 |
| dTal | You can overstate the neccesity for fit testing. I have a generic respirator, and it seals very well. | 12:48 |
| yuriwho | anyway, the health workers need the good masks | 12:49 |
| oxalis | I have a respirator meant for painting. It's very tight. it even hurts | 12:49 |
| oxalis | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Lwgp2QdF/image.png | 12:52 |
| python476 | oxalis: cheers | 12:52 |
| oxalis | ^ | 12:52 |
| oxalis | The media is circulating this ingographic | 12:52 |
| oxalis | is it correct? | 12:52 |
| oxalis | I thought aches were also a sign of COVID | 12:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:34 UTC: (news): EU leaders condemn Trump's travel ban amid coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/HrcMp2 | 12:53 |
| LeoBodnar | i think tiredness rather than aches oxalis | 12:56 |
| adventurer | yeah that's weird oxalis because according to this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_pandemic#Signs_and_symptoms some of those can be COVID-19 also I heard Tom Hanks said his wife who hand it got the aches and muscles pains | 12:57 |
| adventurer | i meant had not hand | 12:57 |
| adventurer | muscle pain/joint pain in 14.8% according to that | 12:58 |
| adventurer | so much conflicting information given | 12:58 |
| Acoustic[m] | !cases Poland | 13:01 |
| pwr22 | Welcome Biep | 13:03 |
| mefistofeles | %data Germany | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +1321 cases (now 128242), +77 deaths (now 4722), +7 recoveries (now 68448) 🔶 Norway: +53 cases (now 687) 🔶 Iran: +1075 cases (now 10075), +75 deaths (now 429) 🔶 Germany: +112 cases (now 2078) 🔸 Albania: +8 cases (now 23) 🔸 Algeria: +4 cases (now 24), +1 deaths (now 1), +8 recoveries (now 8) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 21) 🔸 Australia: +29 cases (now 156), +2 recoveries (now 26) 🔸 New South | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 2078 cases, 3 deaths (0.1% of cases), 25 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 10:53:06 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:55 UTC: (news): EU condemns Trump's travel ban amid coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/HrcMp2 | 13:06 |
| mefistofeles | heh, EU cannot do much about it, fwiw | 13:12 |
| Biep[m] | <pwr22 "Welcome Biep "> Thanks! | 13:20 |
| Biep[m] | !cases world | 13:21 |
| oxalis | !cases sol | 13:28 |
| oxalis | uh | 13:28 |
| oxalis | I meant the SOL system | 13:28 |
| Timvde | !cases Belgium | 13:30 |
| oxalis | !cases Sol III | 13:30 |
| Timvde | Hmm, no updates of today | 13:30 |
| oxalis | CovBot needs an Astral Navigation update | 13:31 |
| oxalis | well, I guess it's technically not wrong, since it IS "under a different name" | 13:31 |
| mefistofeles | oxalis: wtf? | 13:33 |
| oxalis | SOL III ? | 13:34 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +236 cases (now 128478), +2 recoveries (now 68450) 🔶 Switzerland: +213 cases (now 865) 🔸 Albania: +8 cases (now 23) 🔸 Algeria: +4 cases (now 24), +1 deaths (now 1), +8 recoveries (now 8) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 21) 🔸 Armenia: +3 cases (now 4) 🔸 Australia: +29 cases (now 156), +2 recoveries (now 26) 🔸 New South Wales, Australia: +10 cases (now 65) 🔸 Queensland, Australia: +2 cases (now 20) 🔸 | 13:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO urges world to 'double down,' Spain's top soccer league suspended → https://is.gd/fp8nsO | 13:34 |
| pwr22 | !help | 13:35 |
| pwr22 | !source | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +694 cases (now 129172), +12 deaths (now 4734), +317 recoveries (now 68767) 🔶 Sweden: +65 cases (now 565) 🔶 Spain: +502 cases (now 2779), +9 deaths (now 64) 🔶 Iran: +317 recoveries (now 3276) 🔸 Albania: +8 cases (now 23) 🔸 Algeria: +4 cases (now 24), +1 deaths (now 1), +8 recoveries (now 8) 🔸 Argentina: +2 cases (now 21) 🔸 Armenia: +3 cases (now 4) 🔸 Australia: +29 cases (now 156), +2 recov | 13:40 |
| pwr22 | oxalis: when I add in aliases in a data enrichment pass I'll be sure to add those for you. Does our galaxy have an official name too or is it just Milky Way | 13:40 |
| oxalis | pwr22: so, when I went looking, I couldn't find one 🤯 | 13:44 |
| pwr22 | Yeah me either | 13:44 |
| oxalis | It seems every galaxy has a NGC number but ours? | 13:44 |
| pwr22 | Any python modules with listings of galaxies 😁 | 13:45 |
| pwr22 | oxalis: arrays start at zero right 😛 ? | 13:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Viking cancels cruises, Spain's top soccer league suspended → https://is.gd/fp8nsO | 13:48 |
| pwr22 | !cases Diamond | 13:49 |
| pwr22 | Hmm, that doesn't look right | 13:49 |
| pwr22 | !cases world | 13:49 |
| pwr22 | !cases china | 13:50 |
| pwr22 | Assuming these numbers are good then China really is coming out of this! | 13:51 |
| pwr22 | If they can do it then we can too! | 13:52 |
| dTal | sadly I worry the political will won't be there until many more people die | 13:53 |
| dTal | the measures China took were extreme, and early | 13:53 |
| dTal | there's a two week lag before the situation looks as serious as it actually is, and a two-week lag with exponential growth is huge | 13:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Princess suspends cruises, Spain's top soccer league suspended → https://is.gd/fp8nsO | 14:01 |
| oxalis | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNYBtjHAuSA | 14:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:18 UTC: (news): Italy closes bars, restaurants and most shops as coronavirus death toll jumps 30% → https://is.gd/jB4mdI | 14:22 |
| Biep[m] | !cases italy | 14:23 |
| Biep[m] | What does this "30%" mean? | 14:24 |
| python476 | pornhub premium offered to italians. | 14:26 |
| oxalis | Local University (one of the largest in the USA) has just doubled spring break to 2 weeks. I think this might be a mistake | 14:28 |
| oxalis | that give students an extra week to get infected in their respective home towns and increases the odds of an outbreak at the University after spring recess. | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +130 cases (now 129587), +2 recoveries (now 68770) 🔶 Netherlands: +111 cases (now 614) 🔸 China: +2 recoveries (now 62892) 🔸 Heilongjiang, China: +1 recoveries (now 441) 🔸 Jilin, China: +1 recoveries (now 92) 🔸 Georgia: +1 cases (now 25) 🔸 Moldova: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Norway: +1 cases (now 702) 🔸 US: +16 cases (now 1355) | 14:31 |
| mefistofeles | oxalis: not really, incubation time is commonly less than 14 days | 14:34 |
| Biep[m] | !cases netherlands | 14:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Princess suspends cruises, Spain's top soccer league suspended → https://is.gd/fp8nsO | 14:36 |
| LjL | Hi | 14:42 |
| darsie | . | 14:42 |
| pwr22 | Hi | 14:42 |
| pwr22 | <python476 "pornhub premium offered to itali"> Joke or legit? | 14:43 |
| LjL | Am I just not actually keeping up with the numbers or what? I thought yesterday's update from Italy said 10000ish cases not 12000, and its not 6pm yet | 14:43 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +95 cases (now 129682), +6 recoveries (now 68776) 🔸 China: +2 recoveries (now 62892) 🔸 Heilongjiang, China: +1 recoveries (now 441) 🔸 Jilin, China: +1 recoveries (now 92) 🔸 Georgia: +1 cases (now 25) 🔸 Israel: +3 cases (now 130) 🔸 Moldova: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Norway: +1 cases (now 703) 🔸 Poland: +2 cases (now 49) 🔸 Slovenia: +7 cases (now 89) 🔸 Spain: +39 cases (now 3003), +6 recoveries (now 1 | 14:44 |
| LjL | pwr22: that !help command is a tad spammy... Keep freenode in mind too please, I already had to argue about having bots that do NOTICEs instead of PMs. Maybe you can send the reply to help in private? | 14:45 |
| pwr22 | Yeah I probably will. I kept each line as a separate message with freenode in mind | 14:46 |
| pwr22 | I don't anticipate people using it too often or in public channels anyhow | 14:46 |
| pwr22 | I might make it refuse to do it if there's more than one person in a room | 14:47 |
| pwr22 | Anyhow, feel free to raise an issue against it on github 😁 | 14:47 |
| pwr22 | I'll make it take an optional command too | 14:48 |
| Biep[m] | !cases beijing | 14:49 |
| LjL | Hmm yeah I guess multiple lines don't cause the bot to serve a URL but OTOH that's at least just one line. Can't you make the3,99 ●99,99 lines be on the same lines as the command name? | 14:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:45 UTC: ECB surprises markets by not cutting rates, but announces stimulus to fight coronavirus impact: The European Central Bank decided not to cut interest rates, despite market expectations for a reduction amid the ongoing coronavirus outbreak. → https://is.gd/MsFxFZ | 14:49 |
| LjL | pwr22: I was thinking in theory we could also make yours the designated Matrix bot and mine the IRC one, by muting each in the other places. But for now yours doesn't provide case updates | 14:51 |
| pwr22 | Yeah, I wouldn't worry about that too much now | 14:51 |
| pwr22 | I'm also not sure if we can stop the bridge syncing stuff across | 14:51 |
| pwr22 | lol | 14:51 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "Hmm yeah I guess multiple lines "> I can, though I'm not convinced this is gonna happen often enough to save it consuming much space though. Could you show me a screenshot of what it looks like in IRC? | 14:53 |
| LjL | pwr22: yes although I'm using the phone now so it probably looks more prominent than on the computer. If it doesn't really get used then I guess you can leave it | 14:54 |
| pwr22 | Here it looks like this | 14:54 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "Peter Roberts: yes although I'm "> I'm inclined to do what you suggested with the lines anyway | 14:55 |
| pwr22 | Ah yes and it doesn't interpret the markdown | 14:55 |
| Acoustic[m] | !cases Poland | 14:55 |
| pwr22 | Which is probably part of the issue too | 14:55 |
| Acoustic[m] | !cases Germany | 14:56 |
| cews | LjL: could look at riot.im as an alternative to revolution? They have mobile app for Android and iPhone I recently made the switch | 14:56 |
| mefistofeles | it would actually be nice watching porn site visits from more affected countries these days, they could tell something | 14:56 |
| pwr22 | cews: have you seen RiotX? | 14:57 |
| pwr22 | It's UX is much better but it has a couple bugs that hit some people | 14:57 |
| cews | pwr22: only for Android though, IIRC? | 14:58 |
| pwr22 | Ah yeah, that's only on Android | 14:58 |
| CatButtes[m] | mefistofeles: I'm sure pornhub will post traffic stats at some point | 14:58 |
| Biep[m] | Would there be a way to pipe the Covbot output through the translate bot? It is cumbersome for non-English speakers to get to the info. | 14:58 |
| pwr22 | Biep: please raise an issue on github for it 👍️ | 14:59 |
| pwr22 | !source | 14:59 |
| mefistofeles | CatButtes[m]: yes, probably | 15:01 |
| Biep[m] | Could you invite and set up the github bot here? That would make it much easier to deal with github issues. | 15:01 |
| mefistofeles | I don't think this channel needs the info on the development of the bot | 15:04 |
| mefistofeles | fwiw | 15:04 |
| mefistofeles | if it gets popular enough I guess you can even create a special channel for it | 15:05 |
| pwr22 | Biep: I agree with mefistofeles . I should make another channel for it's support to go that route | 15:10 |
| pwr22 | *room | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 Germany: +198 cases (now 2318) 🔸 Czechia: +2 cases (now 96) 🔸 Estonia: +1 cases (now 17) 🔸 Georgia: +1 cases (now 25) 🔸 India: +1 cases (now 74) 🔸 Moldova: +1 cases (now 4) 🔸 Norway: +1 cases (now 703) 🔸 Senegal: +1 cases (now 5) 🔸 Slovenia: +7 cases (now 89) 🔸 Spain: +39 cases (now 3003), +6 recoveries (now 189) 🔸 Sweden: +34 cases (now 599) 🔸 US: +9 cases (now 1364) 🔸 New York, US: +4 cases | 15:11 |
| Biep[m] | OK, fair enough. | 15:11 |
| Biep[m] | The differential data from Brainstorm are over what time period? Germany, +198 cases since when? | 15:13 |
| CatButtes[m] | Since the last update I think? | 15:13 |
| pwr22 | Since last update | 15:14 |
| Biep[m] | OK, so in less than half an hour. OK. | 15:16 |
| LjL | cews, i do have Riot.im installed, but i've used IRC for... decades, and i'm not so comfortable with Matri clients, any of them | 15:16 |
| Biep[m] | Just lean on us.. | 15:16 |
| pwr22 | LjL: what particular pain points stop you if you don't mind me asking? | 15:17 |
| LjL | pwr22, some markdown interpretation happens from the IRC bridge, but only what IRC can handle, which is basically bold and italic | 15:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Princess suspends cruises, Spain's top soccer league suspended → https://is.gd/fp8nsO | 15:17 |
| pwr22 | Ah, didn't look like that happened in your screenshot | 15:20 |
| LjL | pwr22, well, i don't know where to begin, but Riot.im on the desktop is a webapp, you've seen that running it locally gave me issues because it was an old version, while running it in a browser is just not my idea of an IRC client. and here i'm very accustomed to doing checks and op things like /whois and channel modes, which in Matrix are either not available or different enough that i have yet to learn them. then Riot.im on the phone doesn't actually | 15:23 |
| LjL | give instant notifications (unless you use the Play version with Google push messages which i'm absolutely not going to), while my IRC client just stays connected to the bouncer all the time. other desktop clients are available, but most of them don't support E2E which some rooms i'm in require. in Riot all the message formatting and stuff is much more IM-like than IRC-like, which visually puts me off. also i cannot join *every* IRC channel i'm on from | 15:23 |
| LjL | Matrix, as some freenode channels elect to stop either Matrix bridged clients or unidentified users... and I'm not going to give the bridge my IRC password. i also cannot seem to easily navigate the list of rooms in Riot, on IRC i have a simple list of channels which in theory could cause more confusion, while on Riot they're divided into types, but somehow it's still confusing, probably just a matter of what i'm used to. probably more reasons will come up | 15:23 |
| LjL | as i use it, can't think of everything now. then from an "ecosystem" point of view, freenode staff is the evil i know, while i don't know Matrix staff or their philosophy or anything like that, except i have hints that the developers have no qualms using some proprietary parts, like Google push notifications and the whole Vector thing which confuses me, and i'm wary of anything proprietary, i don't want to be making steps back in that direction | 15:23 |
| LjL | if only we had long messages on IRC this wouldn't look like such a monster ;) | 15:23 |
| sneep | How are our crazy Europeans doing today | 15:28 |
| sneep | "EU condemns Donald Trump's coronavirus travel ban" condemning trump the first time he did something right i see :D | 15:30 |
| python476 | funny europa etymology is unclear | 15:31 |
| python476 | it's not eu-ropa | 15:31 |
| python476 | otherwise I'd rename it dysropa right now | 15:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:24 UTC: Congress shuts down Capitol to the public, White House cancels tours amid coronavirus spread: The Capitol will be closed to the public for the rest of the month, while White House tours will stop indefinitely as officials try to curb the spread of coronavirus. → https://is.gd/wlAC5i | 15:31 |
| dunnp | any of you use synergy or some free alternative? | 15:33 |
| LjL | sneep, not sure it makes much sense to stop flights with Europe at this point tbh. they have widespread community transmissions, likely much more widespread than the official numbers show, since they botched up testing | 15:34 |
| mefistofeles | Biep[m]: No, it's not less than half-hour | 15:34 |
| dTal | sneep: I think that measure is more about pretending that the US is fine and Europe is not | 15:35 |
| sneep | yeah, but better late than never, no? | 15:35 |
| mefistofeles | Biep[m]: it's compared to previous official report, that I think it's daily for Germany | 15:35 |
| dTal | at this point the US is thoroughly riddled | 15:35 |
| mefistofeles | I actually think this way of reporting cases from the bot is confusing | 15:35 |
| mefistofeles | but it's not my bot and I don't really have the time to get into it with detail | 15:35 |
| Biep[m] | I cited the 15:11 (CET) message, and the previous one is from 14:44. | 15:35 |
| mefistofeles | it does the job but it needs these clarifications | 15:36 |
| LjL | sneep, it's not always better late than never. it may have very little impact. on the other hand, shutting down many things *early* would have an impact, but also on economy, so he won't do that | 15:36 |
| mefistofeles | Biep[m]: yeah, the bot frequency is not the report frequency, those are two independent things | 15:36 |
| mefistofeles | so the bot may repeat many numbers if the official reports are not updated | 15:36 |
| Timvde | LjL: I can't wait until next week Wednesday, mandatory homeworking starting tomorrow | 15:36 |
| mefistofeles | Biep[m]: and I think even tinwhiskers noticed that the data source may have been overcounting/duplicating some cases | 15:37 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, uhm the bot won't repeat numbers if they don't change, unless there's a bug. it may update numbers even if there is no official update, though, if and when there is an unofficial update | 15:37 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: ah ok, so it only updates for Germany once if it doesn't change, right? | 15:37 |
| mefistofeles | to say an example | 15:37 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, it should, but for Germany in particular, i've seen small case updates in the middle of the night. i'm not sure who is reporting them | 15:37 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, for Italy you'll consistently see only one update per day | 15:38 |
| mefistofeles | ok | 15:38 |
| Biep[m] | mefistofeles: 🤔 | 15:38 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, i also don't report anything until there's at least *one* country (or the world) that has >+50 cases compared to last time, or reports become too frequent | 15:38 |
| LjL | but then when i do report, i include all the countries with <+50 cases too (although they usually don't fit into one message anymore by now, so it gets cut off) | 15:39 |
| pwr22 | tinwhiskers: another suspect line | 15:39 |
| pwr22 | Diamond Princess;;0;0;0;1584022380000 | 15:39 |
| pwr22 | tinwhiskers: there is now some other Diamond Princesses in there | 15:40 |
| Biep[m] | Yes, but see `Cruise ship | Diamond Princess`. | 15:40 |
| LjL | pwr22, there's like four of them, at least there was yesterday :( | 15:40 |
| LjL | JHU is really making things annoying | 15:40 |
| Timvde | %cases Belgium | 15:40 |
| Brainstorm | Timvde: In all areas, Belgium, there are 399 cases, 3 deaths (0.8% of cases), 1 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 15:35:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgium for time series data. | 15:40 |
| Timvde | 85 new cases, mkay | 15:41 |
| Timvde | Rising again | 15:41 |
| LjL | %title https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/conspiracy-theory-that-coronavirus-originated-in-us-gaining-traction-in-china | 15:42 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.theguardian.com: Chinese officials push conspiracy theory coronavirus originated abroad | World news | The Guardian | 15:42 |
| sneep | lol | 15:42 |
| mefistofeles | heh | 15:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Princess suspends cruises, Spain's top soccer league suspended → https://is.gd/fp8nsO | 15:45 |
| rahiakherajot[m] | %cases Italy | 15:46 |
| Brainstorm | rahiakherajot[m]: In all areas, Italy, there are 12462 cases, 827 deaths (6.6% of cases), 1045 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 07:35:03 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 15:46 |
| LjL | %cases Lombardia | 15:47 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 7280 cases, 617 deaths (8.5% of cases), 900 recoveries as of Wed Mar 11 17:00:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 15:47 |
| rahiakherajot[m] | %cases India | 15:48 |
| Brainstorm | rahiakherajot[m]: In all areas, India, there are 74 cases, 1 deaths (1.4% of cases), 4 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 15:35:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 15:48 |
| LjL | i bet that number is more of an underestimate than other numbers | 15:48 |
| mefistofeles | probably, though they are indeed closing frontiers in a strict way | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +166 cases (now 129209), +2 deaths (now 4746), +2 recoveries (now 68382) 🔶 United Kingdom: +130 cases (now 590), +2 deaths (now 10) 🔸 China: +2 recoveries (now 62826) 🔸 Sweden: +36 cases (now 635) | 15:53 |
| edacra[m] | %cases canada | 15:53 |
| Brainstorm | edacra[m]: In all areas, Canada, there are 118 cases, 1 deaths (0.8% of cases), 9 recoveries as of Thu Mar 12 15:45:00 2020. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. | 15:53 |
| Brainstorm | edacra[m]: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 9.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 15:53 |
| LjL | okay so Brainstorm now sends updates over Matrix, that may help or it may not in terms of what happens on IRC (split messages or URL messages), but i'll try it for a while | 15:55 |
| LjL | i'm also upping the minimum change to +100 | 15:58 |
| contingo | %cases usa | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | contingo: Sorry, usa not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 16:01 |
| contingo | %cases US | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | TypeError: argument must be 9-item sequence, not int (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 25, in timeformat) | 16:01 |
| contingo | %cases us | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | TypeError: argument must be 9-item sequence, not int (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 25, in timeformat) | 16:01 |
| LjL | contingo, US is right | 16:01 |
| contingo | %cases The United States of America | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | contingo: Sorry, The United States of America not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 16:01 |
| LjL | i messed up something while trying to make the time format better | 16:02 |
| LjL | let me fix that | 16:02 |
| contingo | oh ok | 16:02 |
| contingo | maybe you could allow multiple names for usa, uk, or maybe not | 16:02 |
| LjL | contingo, i may have to do that also considering that the JHU just won't stop changing names | 16:03 |
| LjL | %cases su | 16:04 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Gansu, China, there are 127 cases, 2 deaths (1.6% of cases), 88 recoveries as of March 12, 06:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Gansu for time series data. | 16:04 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 2.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 16:04 |
| LjL | err, okay | 16:04 |
| LjL | %cases us | 16:04 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, US, there are 1364 cases, 38 deaths (2.8% of cases), 15 recoveries as of March 12, 14:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 16:04 |
| LjL | i'm not entirely sure whether the times are actually being displayed as correct UTC, i guess i'll know when Italy updates, since i know that's at 18 CET | 16:05 |
| CatButtes[m] | %cases uk | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | CatButtes[m]: In all areas, Ukraine, there are 1 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 12, 06:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ukraine for time series data. | 16:06 |
| LjL | contingo, mortality "can be broadly expected", or "can broadly be expected"? i wrote the former but i'm thinking the latter | 16:06 |
| LjL | :\ | 16:06 |
| LjL | %cases united kingdom | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 590 cases, 10 deaths (1.7% of cases), 18 recoveries as of March 12, 14:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 16:06 |
| LjL | i'm definitely going to do as contingo said | 16:06 |
| LjL | add a hardcoded list of synonyms | 16:06 |
| contingo | i think either is fine, but you'd better check with blkshp | 16:06 |
| CatButtes[m] | LjL: Times look correct. Pretty sure that is when PHE updated the UK count | 16:06 |
| LjL | CatButtes[m], thanks | 16:06 |
| LjL | like for instance, now neither "South Korea" nor "Republic of Korea" will work. it's "Korea, South", which means that if you type "Korea" it will work, but else it will not. gah. | 16:09 |
| LjL | (don't try them all though please! except in PM) | 16:09 |
| pwr22 | <contingo "maybe you could allow multiple n"> Planning to do that too | 16:24 |
| LjL | pwr22, it's not much of a list yet (hopefully it won't even have to get much longer, but) | 16:26 |
| LjL | %source covid | 16:26 |
| LjL | eh, it's sort of restarting now | 16:26 |
| LjL | %source covid | 16:27 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, source code for module 'covid' can be found at https://paste.ee/p/5sBY8 | 16:27 |
| LjL | pwr22, there is a list at the top of the code | 16:27 |
| LjL | i guess an obvious one i forgot is PRC | 16:27 |
| pwr22 | Thanks! | 16:28 |
| LjL | also Great Britain / Britain | 16:28 |
| LjL | %source covid | 16:29 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, source code for module 'covid' can be found at https://paste.ee/p/ihJ8y | 16:29 |
| pwr22 | MIght want to do wales and scotland too | 16:29 |
| LjL | added | 16:29 |
| LjL | pwr22, there are no separate counts for them though | 16:29 |
| mefistofeles | someone should make a github repo of that code :P | 16:30 |
| LjL | just giving United Kingdom might be a little misleading | 16:30 |
| mefistofeles | I can't even see it, fwiw | 16:30 |
| ubLIX | scotland updated daily at 2pm: https://www.gov.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/ | 16:30 |
| pwr22 | Yeah, redirect to UK I meant | 16:30 |
| pwr22 | Fair enough | 16:30 |
| pwr22 | There are actually cases in them but I think everything is just under UK in JHU | 16:30 |
| pwr22 | UK is a weird entity as far as things go | 16:31 |
| LjL | ubLIX, if there's somewhere with machine-readable data for parts of the UK i suppose tinwhiskers can be put to work again | 16:31 |
| pwr22 | It's like a mini-republic where we only tolerate one another due to close proximity | 16:31 |
| ubLIX | does anyone have a link for the results of today's UK Cobra meeting? | 16:31 |
| ubLIX | LjL: well I don't know about machine readable | 16:32 |
| contingo | the symptoms Tom Hanks and his wife reported are the same as mine, incidentally. They don't mention a cough or sore throat | 16:32 |
| LjL | ubLIX, there is https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14 so maybe there is json somewhere too | 16:33 |
| ubLIX | LjL: that one seems a little out of date | 16:35 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Colombia | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Colombia, there are 9 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 12, 06:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Colombia for time series data. | 16:35 |
| LjL | contingo, i've had someone else mention their symptoms too, where have you read about them? | 16:37 |
| LjL | i mean, mention them as being similar... | 16:37 |
| sneep | contingo: do you have covid? | 16:38 |
| contingo | I don't think so, but I have no way of knowing | 16:39 |
| sneep | ah, cause you said "... are the same as mine" | 16:39 |
| LjL | sneep, many people have colds or similar things that could potentially be covid | 16:40 |
| contingo | I've had an illness the past 2 1/2 weeks unlike I've experienced before | 16:42 |
| contingo | intense fatigue, malaise aches, chills. No sort throat or cough and just occasionally a marginally raised temperature. Some bouts of sneezing. That's it. Just won't go away | 16:43 |
| contingo | a few confirmed cases very locally | 16:44 |
| CatButtes[m] | ubLIX: So far I have only seen announcements from Sturgeon about the COBRA meeting - nothing from gov.uk | 16:44 |
| ubLIX | thx CatButtes[m]. I haven't found much yet either | 16:45 |
| ubLIX | LjL: is this far too much of a kludge for you elite bot coders? | 16:45 |
| ubLIX | [ wget --quiet -O - https://www.gov.scot/coronavirus-covid-19/ | html2text | grep -A 10 "^Health board Positive cases$" ] | 16:45 |
| ubLIX | hrm. i guess html2text isn't in many *nix distros by default | 16:46 |
| LjL | ubLIX, i have zero code in my bot that pulls from other sources than tinwhiskers's numbers. i assume he's already using some kludges to obtain data from some sources. but i suspect he'd probably like something with UK case data by err, sub-country, and not just Scotland | 16:46 |
| contingo | from yesterday we have had a .gov.uk dashboard somewhere for cases by region | 16:47 |
| LjL | contingo, i posted one, https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14 not sure if it's the same one you have in mind, but ubLIX said the numbers aren't quite up to date | 16:48 |
| contingo | ah yeah | 16:48 |
| contingo | I think it just updates once daily | 16:48 |
| LjL | %cases uk | 16:48 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 590 cases, 10 deaths (1.7% of cases), 18 recoveries as of March 12, 15:28Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 16:48 |
| LjL | yeah more than a hundred cases behind... | 16:48 |
| CatButtes[m] | ubLIX: LjL `https://services1.arcgis.com/0IrmI40n5ZYxTUrV/arcgis/rest/services/CountyUAs_cases/FeatureServer/0/query?f=json&where=TotalCases%20%3C%3E%200&returnGeometry=false&spatialRel=esriSpatialRelIntersects&outFields=*&orderByFields=TotalCases%20desc&resultOffset=0&resultRecordCount=1000&cacheHint=true` Looks to be the data source for the PHE arcgis page | 16:50 |
| LjL | CatButtes[m], thanks, is that the json for the same dashboard? | 16:50 |
| LjL | oh yeah | 16:50 |
| LjL | sorry | 16:50 |
| LjL | well i don't know, i think tinwhiskers could probably add it easily since it's going to be similar to other json he uses, but if it's so out of date, i'm not sure it's going to be greatly useful | 16:51 |
| CatButtes[m] | Pulled it out of the network traffic from https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14 | 16:51 |
| CatButtes[m] | Yeah, surprised they haven't kept it more up to date tbh | 16:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Princess suspends cruises, Congress shuts down Capitol to public → https://is.gd/fp8nsO | 16:54 |
| mefistofeles | https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/singapore-was-ready-for-covid-19-other-countries-take-note/ | 17:01 |
| Biep[m] | !cases turkey | 17:02 |
| romare | we got 1 case in turkey | 17:02 |
| mefistofeles | that's nonsense | 17:02 |
| romare | but people are going crazy | 17:03 |
| Biep[m] | I can't believe that.. I suppose severe underreporting. | 17:03 |
| kristoffer[m]1 | !cases Norway | 17:03 |
| romare | Biep[m]: definitely | 17:03 |
| romare | does anyone here know someone who's infected? or someone who knows someone? | 17:04 |
| mefistofeles | I know a couple, yes | 17:05 |
| romare | oh really | 17:05 |
| mefistofeles | of the latter case, they know someone who's infected | 17:05 |
| romare | and where are they? | 17:06 |
| mefistofeles | so they are in self-quarantine | 17:06 |
| mefistofeles | US both of them | 17:06 |
| romare | self-quarantine? shouldn't they be in a hospital, being treated? | 17:07 |
| LjL | romare, i know the town doctor at my alps place is either infected, or in self-isolation due to coming into contact with an infected patient (they don't divulge that) | 17:07 |
| LjL | he visited me a bunch of times | 17:07 |
| LjL | romare, you don't get treated if you have no symptoms... they may not even be positive | 17:07 |
| mefistofeles | romare: no, they are not showing any symptoms, so no, they shouldn't leave their houses, as possible | 17:08 |
| LjL | actually you usually don't get treated even if you're positive and have mild to moderate symptoms | 17:08 |
| mefistofeles | exactly | 17:08 |
| romare | don't you show symptoms at some point? | 17:09 |
| LjL | treatment is purely supportive anyway, exept for those luck/unlucky very bad cases where experimental treatments are tried | 17:09 |
| mefistofeles | romare: depends | 17:09 |
| LjL | romare, most people do seem to eventually develop symptoms | 17:09 |
| LjL | but you have to be positive in the first place, if you're self-isolating because you *met* someone positive, you may never get it | 17:09 |
| LjL | but many people develop symptoms that don't require hospitalization | 17:09 |
| LjL | although for some reason that seems to be much less in Lombardy than elsewhere :( | 17:10 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: what is? | 17:10 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, needing hospitalization seems much more frequent... also critical cases, and fatalities. i have difficulty believing it's just because the total number of cases is underestimated | 17:11 |
| mefistofeles | ah ok, yes | 17:11 |
| mefistofeles | that's probably because more elderly people or with previous conditions | 17:11 |
| dunnp | older population? | 17:11 |
| LjL | partly. still seems hard to think that alone explains it | 17:12 |
| LjL | it's probably a combination of unfortunate factors | 17:12 |
| mefistofeles | well, the government claims it does, if there is data on the age groups that's easy to check | 17:12 |
| LjL | https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/ scroll down to "Terapie intensive e ricoveri" | 17:13 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, there is data, they claim (i don't dispute the claim) that it's "better than Wuhan" by age groups, but better than Wuhan isn't a very comforting bar | 17:13 |
| mefistofeles | well, it should be better than wuhan if not similar | 17:13 |
| LjL | when i saw that press release actually i was a little annoyed... a positive headline with an ultimately negative bottom line is something i expect from papers but would rather not see from the ministry of health. they had a "We're doing better than China (* except not really)" headline, but they didn't also have a "We're doing worse than everybody else except China" one | 17:15 |
| BruntLIVE | Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau self-isolating over coronavirus fears, his office confirms. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51860702 | 17:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 16:19 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Leo Varadkar announces Ireland will go into LOCKDOWN from 6pm today until March 29 | The Irish Post → https://is.gd/MIMFgc | 17:21 |
| yn | https://www.isitcanceledyet.com/ | 17:23 |
| yn | https://www.flattenthecurve.com/ | 17:26 |
| WKFO | Turkey closes schools and universities for 3 weeks, is possibly going to continue using online education | 17:38 |
| sneep | yn: good link | 17:40 |
| LjL | wow, one potentially interesting Guardian headline (out of six), incredible | 17:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:45 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Princess suspends cruises, MLS suspends season: As of Thursday, more than 127,749 cases of coronavirus have been reported, resulting in at least 4,717 deaths. → https://is.gd/fp8nsO | 17:48 |
| LjL | Spec, you will probably enjoy yn's first link, because i know you do | 17:49 |
| LjL | i find the latter more valuable too, will put it in the topic paste | 17:49 |
| mefistofeles | ok, I just know another person infected with the virus, but this is just anecdotical :P | 17:55 |
| mefistofeles | a famouse cyclist I met some years ago | 17:56 |
| mefistofeles | famous* | 17:56 |
| yn | sneep: thanks | 17:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Congress shuts down Capitol to public, Princess suspends cruises → https://is.gd/fp8nsO | 18:02 |
| berndj | does anyone have a breakdown of cases by smoker / non-smoker? | 18:07 |
| LjL | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SHSLYg9w2g | 18:10 |
| LjL | Italy Civil Protection press conference now | 18:10 |
| LjL | (ten minutes ago actually, i forgot) | 18:10 |
| CatButtes[m] | Fucking hell. The UK are really screwing the pooch here | 18:11 |
| LjL | Installing tents outside hospitals for pre-triage is continuing, 53 more than yesterday, 513 in total | 18:11 |
| LjL | About distributing PPEs, we already distributing 4 million of them | 18:11 |
| LjL | As you know, already yesterday some, but today over 1 million masks | 18:11 |
| LjL | We have a daily distribution plan for 1 million or 1.5 million masks per day | 18:11 |
| LjL | We have distributed 325 ventilators in the past days, and 116 in the process of being distributed | 18:11 |
| LjL | In these hours there is an important assignment for €200 million for providing PPEs | 18:12 |
| LjL | Many organizations have told us that it will be very important to donate blood | 18:12 |
| LjL | At this time we are registering a diminishment of blood donations, which is fundamental, and absolutely safe to do | 18:13 |
| LjL | So we are appealing to everyone to continue donating blood to save human lives | 18:13 |
| LjL | That's it for today's data. You have the tables and you can see the data there. I will now answer questions | 18:13 |
| LjL | (unfortunately i missed the case data for today) | 18:13 |
| LjL | question: can we have some more information today about the *confirmed* COVID victims, as opposed to those who died for other reasons? | 18:14 |
| LjL | second, Caritas pointed out that "staying home" is not possible for the many homeless people we have. how are we going to take good care of them? | 18:14 |
| LjL | answer: how to provide homeless people with adequate assistance is something we have discussed in the operating committee at length. i want to thank the people who contributed. i specifically requested Latium and the municipalities to find structures to provide adequate assistance to homeless people. I want to make a call to all local organization to organize structures. | 18:15 |
| CatButtes[m] | The UK is officially abandoning general testing | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Princess cancels cruises for 2 months, MLS suspends season → https://is.gd/fp8nsO | 18:16 |
| LjL | about mortality, as you know the ISS is trying to figure out the reasons and risk factors for mortality. currently we only have 70 files available, which is too few to do a full analysis and provide results. But at the same times, we're trying to explain better why we appear to have such a higher mortality than other countries, as well as patients' states, which appears to be more critical in Italy than elsewhere. | 18:16 |
| LjL | I want to add that about blood donations, I invite everyone who wants to donate blood to get into contact with centers to get an appointment. | 18:16 |
| LjL | question: about the "Tocidizumap"(?) drug, do you have any information? | 18:17 |
| LjL | answer: sorry, i don't handle therapy, i'm an epidemiologist. | 18:17 |
| LjL | Borrelli says: the Italian Drug Agency is studying the matter, but I don't want to give any indiscretions yes. I think that within 10 days at most we will have some official information about feasible drugs. | 18:18 |
| LjL | We have some information from the University of Naples about a drug that has been found useful to improve the outcomes. | 18:18 |
| LjL | question: should factories open again? many workers are scared for their safety. don't they risk becoming new clusters? what can we do to prevent it? | 18:18 |
| LjL | answer: the whole production chain, the scientific committee itself has gave a pronouncement, which I wish will also turn into a decree, about use of masks. in principle, you don't need masks if you are able to always maintain a 1m distance during work activities. distance is the rule that determines whether you must use masks. | 18:19 |
| LjL | if distance cannot be maintained, we must be clear, masks MUST be used. | 18:20 |
| LjL | question: i'd like to ask, although i know the decision is taken by regions, but in your opinion, would it be good to stop or reduce all public transport? is the metro more dangerous than, say, a bus? | 18:20 |
| LjL | answer: there are various local realities so indeed the choice is up to the various territories. but about the metro vs a bus, frankly i think it's exactly the same thing, and what matters is distance between passengers | 18:21 |
| LjL | we must limit travel as much as possible, and when it has to happen, we have to keep the distance | 18:21 |
| LjL | question: about the change that has occurred during the past 24 hours, i lived it personally and i think many other people have: walking in the street, having a walk with your partner, or a dog or a child, is that now a crime? i ask because i've personally been stopped by a police patrol at 23:30, and they told me i was risking violating art. 650 because i was taking my dog out. what can we do, how can we feel a little freer to go outside, certainly | 18:23 |
| LjL | keeping to the rules? | 18:23 |
| LjL | answer: we must all make a sacrifice at this time. we must keep distance even within the family, even at home. i'm doing it myself, and it's in everyone's best interest. this is fundamental. clearly, evaluations by police forces will be adequate, but if the rule is "don't go outside" or "go outside only when necessary" we must respect it. in my opinion, taking the dog out is a valid reason, but we must avoid gatherings | 18:24 |
| LjL | within the family we tend to lower defenses, but we must have some more prudence. | 18:24 |
| LjL | --- end | 18:24 |
| LjL | well, that last question was a bit, eek. | 18:24 |
| pwr22 | !cases it | 18:25 |
| pwr22 | yay! | 18:25 |
| twomoon | dogs are damn covid vectors lady! | 18:25 |
| pwr22 | <CatButtes[m] "The UK is officially abandoning "> What does that mean? | 18:25 |
| CatButtes[m] | If you are not in hospital, you don't get tested | 18:26 |
| CatButtes[m] | If you have any symptoms, isolate for 7 days | 18:26 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: not much said today, thanks again for the translation | 18:26 |
| CatButtes[m] | And that is the limit of the UKs current measures I believe | 18:26 |
| twomoon | CatButtes[m], sounds like iran's protocol basically | 18:26 |
| LjL | %cases Italy | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 15113 cases, 1016 deaths (6.7% of cases), 1258 recoveries as of March 12, 17:15Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:27 |
| LjL | fuck | 18:27 |
| pwr22 | That sounds like it'll see the number of cases detected drop and the relative deaths increase | 18:27 |
| CatButtes[m] | twomoon: It means the UK numbers can't be compared to Italy going forward though | 18:27 |
| LjL | also why does Brainstorm have the numbers without actually having posted an update :( | 18:28 |
| pwr22 | !cases uk | 18:28 |
| CatButtes[m] | It also makes it harder to call them out on their claim that we are where italy was 4 weeks ago... | 18:28 |
| pwr22 | !cases united kingdom | 18:28 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: I think it's better if you just make brainstomr spit numbers with some constant periodicity | 18:28 |
| mefistofeles | Brainstorm: | 18:28 |
| iz | CatButtes[m]: https://imgur.com/gallery/nkBIpMq | 18:29 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, well, i'd prioritize making sure they get posted at all, since apparently they aren't | 18:29 |
| mefistofeles | it may be easier to read/interpret for us, specially if people don't know the details of how it was made | 18:29 |
| CatButtes[m] | iz: This would be the press conference following that fucking meeting | 18:29 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: again, whatever is done we appreciate it, of course :) | 18:29 |
| iz | hehe | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:24 UTC: Top US health official says coronavirus testing system is 'failing,' cases now confirmed in 44 states: A top U.S. health official said the country is "not really geared" to conduct the amount of testing for the coronavirus that will be required as the virus continues to spread across the nation. → https://is.gd/ir2pJl | 18:29 |
| twomoon | mefistofeles always wants more. everyone is inadequate to him | 18:30 |
| pwr22 | CatButtes: I thought UK was scaling up to be able to handle 10k cases a day? | 18:30 |
| pwr22 | This move seems contrary | 18:30 |
| CatButtes[m] | This move is bananas. When you compare it to Ireland's response at 50 cases today it makes zero sense | 18:30 |
| CatButtes[m] | Unless you start moving into conspiricy theory territory | 18:31 |
| twomoon | i don't quite get the UK's decision on protocol | 18:31 |
| pwr22 | It sounds like they accept people are going to get it now so they don't want to promote panic by revealing the true case rate | 18:32 |
| CatButtes[m] | Peter Roberts: Johnson opened the conference with "More families, many more families, are going to lose loved ones before their time" | 18:32 |
| pwr22 | Or maybe it's to stop people coming into medical places and spreading it to other suspected cases who are acutally going to turn out negative? | 18:33 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: what? why would you say that? | 18:34 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon> mefistofeles always wants more. everyone is inadequate to him | 18:34 |
| mefistofeles | I'm just glad we have LjL and his bot and if I can make it better by suggesting stuff, even nicer | 18:34 |
| twomoon | i'm exaggerating but you seem want the bot to constantly evolve it seems | 18:34 |
| mefistofeles | ah sure, it's just natural that some bot/software needs calibrating | 18:35 |
| twomoon | yeah well ljl is about the most stressed dude in freenode right about | 18:35 |
| LjL | twomoon, there is no problem | 18:35 |
| twomoon | oh ok i just didn't wanna see you ragequit again | 18:36 |
| twomoon | i'm sure that last time your BP spiked a bit | 18:36 |
| mefistofeles | right | 18:36 |
| mefistofeles | your comment did help for that xD | 18:36 |
| mefistofeles | anyways... how are things going down in San Diego? twomoon | 18:36 |
| LjL | i am looking at why the bot didn't post updates, i think i may know why, if it posts an update shortly, then we'll know that was it. then i can have a look at periodic posting, although really think that with the large amount of cases we now have, just posting whenever there is a +N update will end up being periodic (faster over time, though, but i can change the threshold over time too) | 18:36 |
| twomoon | mefistofeles, bad. my parents keep going out which negates my goal of starting to quarantine myself | 18:37 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: quarantime from them, more than 1m should be somewhat effective | 18:37 |
| mefistofeles | *quarantine | 18:37 |
| twomoon | oh ok. that's a plan lol. maybe i'll have to get a hot plate for my room so i can make noodles | 18:38 |
| twomoon | (sin tener que interactuar con ellos) | 18:38 |
| LjL | living in the same place, really, i don't think there is an effective way to quarantine yourselves, unless you actually follow the protocols followed when someone is sick and is self-isolating in their own room with their own bathroom, and *even then* what i've read about that is that it's very unlikely to actually work | 18:38 |
| fructose | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.05.20030502v1.full.pdf | 18:40 |
| mefistofeles | anything is unlikely to work, fwiw | 18:40 |
| mefistofeles | that'swhy I'm not doing it | 18:40 |
| mefistofeles | but if you feel better, try whatever you can | 18:40 |
| twomoon | i think even if you alter your behavior slightly it could slow the progression of covid | 18:41 |
| mefistofeles | fructose: so, what does it mean? | 18:42 |
| twomoon | if you could make minor changes it would be great, and it probably wouldn't be a big deal for you mefistofeles. for example: maybe you could avoid getting in the lunch line until 2pm | 18:42 |
| mefistofeles | today they had strict measurements in the restaurant | 18:42 |
| fructose | Seems to confirm lasting infection, significance of spike protein differences, and challenges to vaccination via antibody induction | 18:42 |
| mefistofeles | fructose: ok | 18:43 |
| twomoon | oh ok so someone else is doing the behavioral changes for you =) | 18:43 |
| twomoon | easy peasy | 18:43 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: not really, it's stupid, since then people grouped in the tables or before getting the food | 18:43 |
| mefistofeles | not very effective if you ask me | 18:43 |
| twomoon | ahh ok. kinda lol | 18:43 |
| mefistofeles | I will try going later tomorrow and see if that helps | 18:44 |
| twomoon | but putting fear in peoples' minds at least should have some positive effect | 18:44 |
| mefistofeles | because I also had to wait in line, that sucks | 18:44 |
| twomoon | just when ppl see the restaurant changing its behavior should snap people out of their malaise | 18:44 |
| mefistofeles | twomoon: that's not necessarily true | 18:44 |
| mefistofeles | fear commonly makes people make mistakes | 18:44 |
| mefistofeles | so, it depends | 18:45 |
| twomoon | ahh yeah that's true. this is why i've never beaten a video game probably | 18:45 |
| mefistofeles | haha | 18:45 |
| mefistofeles | but sure, you do get more concious once you see that happening in the restaurant | 18:45 |
| mefistofeles | a social pressure | 18:45 |
| twomoon | all i know is that my friends think its either 1) uncool to wear a mask , or 2) scary to wear a mask because it could attract an angry racist mob | 18:48 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/12/climate/climate-change-coronavirus-lessons.html | 18:48 |
| twomoon | but if they saw other people wearing masks that attitude would change. they literally said that. "if other people were wearing masks i wouldn't mind wearing one" | 18:49 |
| mefistofeles | sure, that's true | 18:49 |
| azy | welcome to people | 18:49 |
| azy | we scared to stick out | 18:49 |
| Birosso | %cases germany | 18:50 |
| mefistofeles | loading... | 18:50 |
| Biep[m] | China had the solution: make funny masks, met big moustaches or kiss lips on them. | 18:51 |
| mefistofeles | they also had masks | 18:51 |
| Birosso | !cases Germany | 18:51 |
| Birosso | Did the bot get Corona? | 18:51 |
| Biep[m] | That was against air pollution, but the point is the same. | 18:51 |
| twomoon | Hi Birosso | 18:52 |
| mefistofeles | shit... | 18:52 |
| mefistofeles | I just found out my office colleague was in eastern france | 18:52 |
| mefistofeles | that's a risk region | 18:52 |
| Biep[m] | Birosso now is very rosso. Maybe hence the 'bi'? | 18:53 |
| twomoon | eastern france? i thought eastern france just had a cluster in a ski town and it was resolved | 18:53 |
| Birosso | Hi twomoon. | 18:53 |
| mefistofeles | well, the university here is outting that region as high risk regions | 18:53 |
| mefistofeles | so he cannot come to work, basically | 18:53 |
| mefistofeles | *putting | 18:53 |
| twomoon | oh shit they're taking this very seriously | 18:54 |
| twomoon | germany | 18:54 |
| twomoon | or the university is | 18:54 |
| Birosso | twomoon, you in Germany? | 18:54 |
| mefistofeles | yes, it depends. I mean, he's not forced to do it, but people will then know and it can be pretty bad xD | 18:54 |
| mefistofeles | specially him not being german | 18:54 |
| twomoon | birosso, no | 18:57 |
| Birosso | Hmm, Hannover's football team has been put under quarantine. | 18:57 |
| Birosso | Or one of them. Not sure if there is more than one. | 18:57 |
| mefistofeles | as long as the mensa stays open | 18:58 |
| mefistofeles | :P | 18:58 |
| Birosso | mefistofeles, I just saw that on Jodel. :D | 18:58 |
| Birosso | It's some students' worst nightmare. | 18:58 |
| Birosso | It looks like they're cancelling sports across the country. My university did anyway, and so did Hannover and another city in the region. | 18:59 |
| mefistofeles | Birosso: hmm, actually getting jodel should be a good ide, thanks | 18:59 |
| mefistofeles | *idea | 18:59 |
| Birosso | You in Germany? | 19:00 |
| mefistofeles | Birosso: yep | 19:00 |
| Birosso | Nice. (Or not) | 19:00 |
| tinwhiskers | ubLIX: I'll see about adding in the UK provincial data once I've solved the "world total" and "US total" problems. I think daily is still better than none. | 19:00 |
| mefistofeles | it's been nice | 19:01 |
| Birosso | Depends on what you're studying. | 19:01 |
| twomoon | sports are lame. glad they are shutting em down | 19:01 |
| Birosso | Rude. | 19:01 |
| twomoon | most people on freenode hates sports. fact. | 19:02 |
| azy | i agree, for every sport other than mma | 19:02 |
| tinwhiskers | Why does my client allow me to complete nicks that are no longer present??? | 19:02 |
| Birosso | Most people on IRC, one might say. | 19:02 |
| twomoon | yea that's weird tinwhiskers | 19:02 |
| azy | bc you're using some piece of shit client? | 19:02 |
| tinwhiskers | azy: ah, yeah, that'll be it | 19:03 |
| azy | use the almighty hexchat | 19:03 |
| tinwhiskers | On Android? | 19:03 |
| azy | ah. dunno | 19:03 |
| azy | i use revolution irc... im not sure that's any good though | 19:03 |
| Birosso | I use mIRC. Best out there. | 19:04 |
| Birosso | ./s | 19:04 |
| dunnp | irssi ftw | 19:04 |
| Birosso | Too much typing. I'm a mouse man. I LIKE A SHINY GUI! | 19:04 |
| Birosso | Not that mIRC is shiny, but... GUI. | 19:04 |
| tinwhiskers | Revolution isn't terrible but only supports basic znc playback and since my connection drops every few minutes at times that's s very unpleasant experience | 19:05 |
| LjL | whoopsie, bot | 19:06 |
| LjL | one missing comma | 19:06 |
| LjL | and i broke the bot | 19:06 |
| Birosso | Amateur. | 19:07 |
| LjL | %cases germany | 19:07 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Germany, there are 2512 cases, 5 deaths (0.2% of cases), 25 recoveries as of March 12, 18:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 19:07 |
| LjL | germans are basically invulnerable | 19:07 |
| twomoon | ljl : do you think italy would ever just cut a check to every italian...like 5000 euros to everyone | 19:07 |
| twomoon | i think that's the best economic recovery method | 19:08 |
| LjL | twomoon, that's quite unfeasible. but the decrees do contain things like tax cuts and for now we just don't have to pay taxes, while lockdown lasts | 19:08 |
| pwr22 | ... | 19:08 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: hahaha, tell that to Koreans | 19:08 |
| LjL | you don't recover economically by just giving people money | 19:08 |
| LjL | that's only a way to make goods cost more | 19:08 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, well for now Germany is ahead! | 19:08 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: so far... we don t have as much sampling yet | 19:09 |
| LjL | yeah | 19:09 |
| LjL | %cases spain | 19:09 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Spain, there are 3059 cases, 86 deaths (2.8% of cases), 189 recoveries as of March 12, 18:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 19:09 |
| LjL | %cases france | 19:09 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, France, there are 2281 cases, 48 deaths (2.1% of cases), 12 recoveries as of March 12, 18:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 19:09 |
| LjL | yikes spain :( | 19:09 |
| eviscerate | is 30 days self isolation safe? | 19:10 |
| oxalis | I think Donald Trump has the virus (my speculation) | 19:10 |
| LjL | eviscerate, some would call that even overkill | 19:11 |
| Timvde | Birosso: I think "too much typing" doesn't really count when you're talking about a chat client and 99.9% of typing will just be chats anyway :P | 19:11 |
| dunnp | why oxalis | 19:11 |
| eviscerate | i have medical issues. | 19:11 |
| eviscerate | a normal cold kicks my ass. | 19:11 |
| LjL | eviscerate, self-isolation is generally done to protect *others* if you are, or are likely to be, infected | 19:11 |
| calbasi_matrix | <pwr22 "Is Catalonia independent of Spai"> A piece of it, yes: Andorra. Another piece is too, because is dependent of France: French Catalonia. Most of it not yet: Spaniards are hard to beat :-p and have more population to fight :-) | 19:11 |
| LjL | eviscerate, just isolating yourself for 30 days to avoid *getting* the virus will, at best, delay it by 30 days | 19:11 |
| oxalis | based on his performance on his speech last night (he looked ill) and there's a photo of him standing next to someone a week or so ago who just tested positive | 19:12 |
| oxalis | dunnp: ^ | 19:12 |
| LjL | eviscerate, and you may still get it from, say, food deliveries, unless you are really just stuck inside with existing food stock for 30 days. but really this virus won't be gone 30 days from now | 19:12 |
| eviscerate | LjL, dono, in 30 days the weather here will be approaching 90F every day | 19:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live at 18:08 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: NHL suspends season amid coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/tMzo5g | 19:12 |
| eviscerate | in 30 days after that it'll be 100F every day | 19:12 |
| eviscerate | I'm not sure it'll survive long here. | 19:12 |
| mefistofeles | oxalis: it could be, this brazilian official tested possitive, right? | 19:12 |
| LjL | eviscerate, well if you believe it actually gets better with heat... i'm not so convinced | 19:13 |
| oxalis | yes.. that's the one | 19:13 |
| eviscerate | I don't know. | 19:13 |
| Timvde | %cases Australia | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | Timvde: In all areas, Australia, there are 156 cases, 3 deaths (1.9% of cases), 26 recoveries as of March 12, 18:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. | 19:13 |
| Timvde | How warm is it there? | 19:13 |
| LjL | eviscerate, but the answer remain no, self-isolating for 30 days won't make you "safe". it might help. | 19:13 |
| eviscerate | I just want to stay away from people so I can avoid getting it. | 19:13 |
| oxalis | also may have something to do with him suddenly taking it seriously | 19:13 |
| mefistofeles | eviscerate: sure, that helps, if you can afford it | 19:13 |
| pwr22 | !cases *Australia | 19:13 |
| dunnp | hey free pronhub for Italy - I'm sure that will help | 19:14 |
| mefistofeles | dunnp: is that true? | 19:14 |
| dunnp | https://www.fantacalcio.it/news/attualita/12_03_2020/pornhub-un-mese-di-proventi-e-premium-a-marzo-gratis-per-litalia-382257 | 19:14 |
| tinwhiskers | Lol | 19:14 |
| mefistofeles | nice | 19:15 |
| dunnp | also donating proceeds to Italian hospitals | 19:15 |
| dunnp | now the toilet paper hoarding makes sense | 19:15 |
| LjL | apart from that we *are* getting a bunch of free online services, although they usually require providing/proving your identity in the form of a SPID, which is a governmental online ID system which... very few people have so far | 19:16 |
| Birosso | Timvde: You win. | 19:16 |
| LjL | we're getting unlimited gigabytes and/or calls from phone companies | 19:16 |
| LjL | (not mine!) | 19:16 |
| LjL | and subscriptions to newspapers, and one free ebook from Mondadori | 19:16 |
| eviscerate | i can easily afford it | 19:16 |
| Birosso | I get 100 mbps for free. | 19:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 18:24 UTC: /u/Isentrope: BNO Newsroom su Twitter: "BREAKING: Ali Akbar Velayati, top foreign policy adviser to Iran's Supreme Leader, tests positive for coronavirus - Tasnim" → https://is.gd/D9TxEw | 19:26 |
| LjL | %title https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/brazilian-spokesperson-tests-positive-for-covid-19-after-he-meets-with-trump-and-pence-at-mar-a-lago/ | 19:27 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.rawstory.com: Brazilian spokesperson tests positive for COVID-19 after he meets with Trump and Pence at Mar-a-Lago – Raw Story | 19:27 |
| dunnp | damn | 19:27 |
| azy | shelves at my local supermarket are pretty bare | 19:28 |
| LjL | azy, where? | 19:32 |
| azy | NW England | 19:32 |
| LjL | there has been some frenzy here every time a new stricter decree was announced, but ultimately aside from certain goods (you know which ones), there is still food and everything | 19:33 |
| azy | no rice, no pasta, no flour | 19:34 |
| azy | chickpeas etc sold out | 19:34 |
| dunnp | no toilet paper on amazon... | 19:35 |
| dunnp | why | 19:35 |
| aradesh | there are so many dangerous myths going around my office at work about CV. people are saying china is what it looks like once the virus has "ran its course" some are saying they think they've already had coronavirus as they had a bad cough over christmas | 19:35 |
| twomoon | omg trump was in close proximity with some brazilian dude | 19:35 |
| calbasi_matrix | %cases Spain | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | calbasi_matrix: In all areas, Spain, there are 3059 cases, 86 deaths (2.8% of cases), 189 recoveries as of March 12, 18:25Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 19:36 |
| twomoon | oh god spain is accelerating | 19:37 |
| aradesh | apparently they're still letting people arrive on flights from italy at heathrow airport without performing any checks on the passengers whatsoever | 19:38 |
| Albright | NHL (American ice hockey league) has suspended their season | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 18:34 UTC: /u/Isentrope: Shomari Stone su Twitter: "JUST IN: Virginia Declares State of Emergency After 15 People Test Positive for Coronavirus. #coronavirus https://t.co/TFSgJwKckt" → https://is.gd/6ErJ5E | 19:40 |
| Albright | This is really bad for the American economy. We're going into a depression, I'm afraid. | 19:40 |
| oxalis | but MAGA? | 19:40 |
| Albright | …huh? | 19:41 |
| Birosso | I'm going to die from laughing over the TP rush before I die of corona. | 19:41 |
| oxalis | Birosso: the shit-tickets? | 19:41 |
| Birosso | Toilet paper, yes. | 19:41 |
| twomoon | oh god NHL also suspending season | 19:42 |
| twomoon | albright can you do some thought experiments on various scenarios of varying extremeness | 19:42 |
| twomoon | like worse case, medium case, lightest case scenarios | 19:42 |
| twomoon | worst* | 19:42 |
| Albright | twomoon: For me personally? | 19:43 |
| aradesh | western nations seem to in the most part be doing bugger all, while places like china and south korea seem to have essentially defeated it | 19:44 |
| Albright | For the entire world? | 19:44 |
| aradesh | so frustrating! | 19:44 |
| twomoon | albright how bad does this get for the US economy | 19:44 |
| twomoon | what about for mexico's econ | 19:44 |
| aradesh | italy now over 1000 deaths, about a third of the death toll of china... | 19:45 |
| Albright | twomoon: I can't even begin to estimate that. I don't know a lot about economics beyond the common-sense stuff. But if I had to guess, I'd guess a slump/depression along the lines of what we saw during the Obama administration. So not a disaster, but hard for many people to find work. | 19:46 |
| azy | why is italy being hit so hard? | 19:46 |
| azy | is it the cheek kissing | 19:46 |
| Albright | To find good work, anyway. | 19:46 |
| twomoon | when did italy surpass 1000 | 19:46 |
| Albright | %data italy | 19:46 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: In all areas, Italy, there are 15113 cases, 1016 deaths (6.7% of cases), 1258 recoveries as of March 12, 18:25Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 19:46 |
| twomoon | albright do you see a repeat of 1930? | 19:46 |
| Albright | twomoon: No. Probably not. | 19:47 |
| twomoon | jesus why does italy's death rate keep going up | 19:47 |
| Albright | But again, IANA economist. | 19:47 |
| twomoon | muh economy! | 19:47 |
| dunnp | the economy is strong but was in need of a correction so there is a lot of downward pressure imo | 19:48 |
| aradesh | no one cares about the economy | 19:49 |
| aradesh | twomoon: because it isn't being dealt with property | 19:49 |
| aradesh | properly* | 19:49 |
| dunnp | aradesh: no one cares? | 19:49 |
| aradesh | well, of course some do | 19:49 |
| aradesh | but normal people don't :P | 19:49 |
| dunnp | normal people? | 19:50 |
| aradesh | i think the vast majority of people would be happy for the economy to take a large hit, in order to save a lot of lives | 19:50 |
| twomoon | aradesh i think italy is taking this very seriously | 19:50 |
| dunnp | this implies that they are mutually exclusive | 19:50 |
| aradesh | twomoon: they're taking it more seriously than other european countries atm, but... not really enough | 19:51 |
| Albright | As someone who is scrambling for a new line of income after my client is telling me she's cutting back on my work, I certainly care about the economy. | 19:51 |
| dunnp | would rather a strong economy and fewer deaths | 19:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live at 18:53 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Fei-Fei Li su Twitter: "U.S. is way behind in testing it’s population for #COVID19 Testing is an important part of containment and mitigation.… https://t.co/L2KryN5uT4" → https://is.gd/aqojOs | 19:54 |
| aradesh | to see how much of an impact an economy has on mortality, let's take two countries... USA and belarus. USA GDP per capita is about $60,000 USD, belarus is about $6000 USD. so that means the economy of the USA is about 10 times that of belarus, per person. the life expectancy of USA is 79, of belarus it is 74. ok... a bit lower, but that's with 1/10th of the economy per person. we can afford to take a | 19:54 |
| aradesh | little bit of a knock without much loss of life | 19:54 |
| aradesh | we could take probably a 50% knock of our economies, and still be some of the wealthiest countries on earth | 19:54 |
| aradesh | and shutting down for a few weeks or a month or two isn't going to do that. | 19:55 |
| dunnp | not sure what you're arguing aradesh | 19:55 |
| dunnp | there isnt some way to trade GDP for health | 19:56 |
| Albright | AH HAHAHAHA | 19:56 |
| Albright | Pierre Trudeau's Son, what have you done this time? | 19:57 |
| Albright | Oh, I shouldn't laugh. | 19:57 |
| aradesh | dunnp: basically, going to larger extremes to tackle CV would cost us money, and hurt our economy. but it isn't going to cause the end of the world. we'd get over it. | 19:58 |
| aradesh | this GDP over human welfare mentality is sick. | 19:58 |
| dunnp | not sure again where this means no one cares though | 20:00 |
| dunnp | not saying that I think the US gov is doing enough because they aren't. but I also think it is possible to have economic stimulus at the same time | 20:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:14 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Click through on below post, thumbnail appears to be displaying old article using same URL → https://is.gd/RXblSn | 20:17 |
| BruntLIVE | hes dead? | 20:18 |
| Albright | The NBA player? Don't think so. He was just tested yesterday. | 20:20 |
| slash_ | yeah it's that guy who mocked it and then got the virus lol | 20:25 |
| LjL | "Reliance on streaming services or the internet may not be practical. | 20:29 |
| LjL | Telecommunications networks are preparing for a surge in people working from home. Australia’s networks are resilient but will come under pressure, a Telstra spokesman said." | 20:29 |
| LjL | from https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/the-family-lockdown-guide-how-to-emotionally-prepare-for-coronavirus-quarantine | 20:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:25 UTC: New York Gov. Cuomo bans gatherings of 500 or more amid coronavirus outbreak: There are currently at least 328 people confirmed cases in New York, Cuomo said, adding that if the state's actual cases were "ten times that, I would not be surprised." → https://is.gd/kXBYra | 20:31 |
| LeoBodnar | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/coronavirus-france-macron-covid-19-schools-a9398516.html | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:36 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: MLB suspends spring training, delays Opening Day at least two weeks → https://is.gd/3QspUw | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 19:47 UTC: Coronavirus: People with fever or persistent cough told to self-isolate: The PM warns families will continue to "lose loved ones before their time" as he announces new measures to combat coronavirus. → https://is.gd/RBTLW6 | 20:58 |
| pwr22 | LjL: is there a matrix side Brainstorm as well? | 21:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:08 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: France closes all schools, quarantines all citizens older than 70 to their homes → https://is.gd/ewKAiJ | 21:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:24 UTC: (news): NCAA cancels March Madness basketball tournaments as coronavirus fears upend the sports world → https://is.gd/x49xYH | 21:26 |
| eviscerate | is covid-19 a flu? | 21:32 |
| eviscerate | or is it a "cold" ? | 21:32 |
| neoabo | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYIBFnGWeEM | 21:34 |
| pwr22 | It's a covid-19 | 21:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:37 UTC: (news): NCAA cancels March Madness basketball tournaments due to coronavirus → https://is.gd/x49xYH | 21:40 |
| berndj | eviscerate, it is neither a flu nor a cold | 21:45 |
| eviscerate | ohshit | 21:45 |
| eviscerate | ok, so. | 21:46 |
| eviscerate | is it a different animal entirely like hiv? | 21:47 |
| eviscerate | it's a different sort of lung infection? | 21:47 |
| Alohomora | I thinks it's not so problematic like HIV, ... And one of the simptoms are the lung infection I think | 21:49 |
| eviscerate | well no | 21:49 |
| eviscerate | not as bad as HIV, but just | 21:49 |
| eviscerate | that's the only other viral infection I could think of off the top of my head | 21:49 |
| eviscerate | but tha'ts an immune system virus | 21:49 |
| eviscerate | and this is something else I think? | 21:49 |
| freelock | https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/inslee-orders-all-private-public-k-12-schools-in-king-pierce-snohomish-counties-to-close-through-april-24/ | 21:49 |
| eviscerate | the herpes is a virus too? is that right? | 21:50 |
| eviscerate | and pampiloma? | 21:50 |
| eviscerate | howver you spell it. | 21:50 |
| Alohomora | I think HIV is a mortal disease on a long time term... But Coronavirus deaths are ~ 5% of totals? | 21:50 |
| Alohomora | And affecting old people, and people with bad health | 21:50 |
| neoabo | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus | 21:51 |
| eviscerate | there's treatments for HIV though | 21:51 |
| berndj | eviscerate, yes, it's an entirely different family | 21:51 |
| eviscerate | and I thought I read a while back that Thailand had stopped this by using HIV anti-viral meds | 21:51 |
| eviscerate | i don't mean to panic | 21:52 |
| eviscerate | but I have health issues | 21:52 |
| freelock | and 2/3rds of the deaths so far are out of a single retirement home | 21:53 |
| freelock | <Alohomora "I think HIV is a mortal disease "> so here in Washington, the current "stat" is close to 8%... but on the other hand they're only testing people who are dead (or nearly so) | 21:53 |
| neoabo | Luckily it seems this ozone therapy might cure corona | 21:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:50 UTC: (news): NYC declares state of emergency, de Blasio says coronavirus 'could easily be a 6-month crisis' → https://is.gd/cK1Uxq | 21:54 |
| berndj | freelock, ah, that explains something i noticed. why the dead:recovered ratios vary so dramatically across the world, and particularly why it looks so bad in the USA | 21:54 |
| freelock | !cases Washington | 21:55 |
| dunnp | Colorimetric LAMP test for covid-19 working at MGH - testing underway | 21:55 |
| dunnp | that will have a 60 min turnaround about | 21:55 |
| oxalis | Shit got real! They done closed DisneyLand | 21:56 |
| freelock | 373 cases confirmed here -- but I'm guessing there's probably more like several tens of thousands. No evidence to back this up (because even people with probable exposure, symptoms, and risk factors can't get tested), but I think this is way more viral, and way less deadly than everyone is making it out to be... | 21:56 |
| freelock | I had a cold for the past few days, I wouldn't be surprised if I tested positive for it | 21:57 |
| dunnp | https://imgur.com/vI3XEpE negative in red and positive in yellow | 21:57 |
| dunnp | this will speed things up significantly | 21:58 |
| dunnp | also cheap | 21:59 |
| dunnp | 10x dilution series on top row from right to left | 22:00 |
| aradesh | i think the hand-dryer in the toilets at work is not very hygeinic... it feels like it sprays water everywhere | 22:02 |
| LjL | freelock, i'm not sure i understand this mortality reasoning, despite hearing it often. you know it makes N people dead. you don't know, maybe, if only M people are sick, or it's M' >> M. but... what difference does it make? the people who die are still N, the amount of ICU beds it takes is the same, everything is the same. you've just discovered that there are many healthy people who actually test positive (in this scenario; i'm not saying it's actually | 22:03 |
| LjL | true) | 22:03 |
| LjL | aradesh, no, not at all, there have been studies on that, and based on those studies, hospitals are going back to paper towels. the hand dryers are terrible. | 22:03 |
| LjL | dunnp, there's also an antibody test from China that's said to take 29 minutes (why not 30? i don't know!), but i guess i don't know the relative cost and complexity of executing these tests, aside from the turnaround time | 22:05 |
| berndj | LjL, doesn't it imply something about how fast this virus spreads? | 22:05 |
| freelock | well, what I'm saying is 30 deaths out of 373 is awful (and of course any deaths are awful, but there are thousands of people who die of influenza and other diseases every year that aren't newsworthy). But 30 deaths if 30,000 people have it is a lot more palatable. 0.1% mortality rate, instead of nearly 10%. | 22:05 |
| dunnp | LjL: hadn't seen that | 22:05 |
| dunnp | this is sensitive down to 1000 molecules of virus | 22:06 |
| dunnp | *RNA | 22:06 |
| dunnp | super easy and it changes color so easy to read | 22:06 |
| LjL | berndj, yes, but as an epidemiologist in a podcast i listened to today said (and i don't even agree with most of what he said from the social/political point of view, but as an epidemiologist i assume he knows more than me about the epidemiology), this virus is best thought of as "fairly infective": as in, much more than things like MERS, much less than things like smallpox. so it doesn't matter whether the R0=2.2 or 2.8 or even 4.0, it's in that ballpark. | 22:06 |
| LjL | if it's <1.0 then it dies, if it's not, it keeps infecting. | 22:06 |
| eviscerate | wow so if it's different from a cold | 22:07 |
| eviscerate | you can catch this over and over maybe?! | 22:07 |
| berndj | LjL, it makes a difference in whether the world has enough hospital beds, doesn't it? | 22:07 |
| ryouma | is low body temperature possible with this virus? or only fever? | 22:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:03 UTC: /u/Isentrope: Ontario to shutter public schools until April 5 amid COVID-19 pandemic | CP24.com → https://is.gd/vdlr30 | 22:08 |
| LjL | freelock, i'm saying i don't understand what difference you're seeing. "out of"... what? the infected? who cares if M people are infected if they don't show symptoms? (yes, it may be important for the epidemiology, but from the point of view of the simple percentage of people to grieve about?) | 22:08 |
| LjL | freelock, i think you should look at what percentage of the *population* dies, if anything | 22:08 |
| berndj | eviscerate, not automatically. i believe there have been reinfections but i have yet to see anything suggesting that you can catch it "over and over" | 22:08 |
| eviscerate | this says that symptoms are *similar* to the flu | 22:08 |
| eviscerate | but it's not a flu. | 22:08 |
| eviscerate | just rocked my world | 22:08 |
| berndj | maybe you can catch a new strain each season. but those strains will probably be different then, with milder and more severe years | 22:08 |
| LjL | berndj, no, because this is about asymptomatic patients. those don't end up in hospital beds, they end up in self-isolation at home. hell, even people with mild-to-moderate symptoms are just told to isolate at home | 22:08 |
| eviscerate | pardon the fox link, https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-everything-you-need-to-know | 22:09 |
| LjL | berndj, i mean, i'm mixing up conversations a little now... but the point is if the R0 is sort of high, you know most of the population is going to become infected in a year or two anyway | 22:09 |
| freelock | what's the population? In the Seattle area, it's around 1.5M. We don't even know how many tests have been administered -- but anecdotally I've heard of a lot of people with reason to suspect they've been infected being denied testing | 22:09 |
| eviscerate | ^ is this fake news? | 22:09 |
| LjL | eviscerate, no, it is fox news | 22:09 |
| eviscerate | I don't know who to believe these days on this | 22:09 |
| berndj | LjL, hospital beds matter because of the timing of cases | 22:10 |
| LjL | eviscerate, this is simply not news, for a start. it's a FAQ sort of thing. | 22:10 |
| freelock | meanwhile they just closed all the public schools for 6 weeks, we're starting to see a bunch of local businesses close -- the fear so far is worse than the disease! | 22:10 |
| eviscerate | LjL, is the faq accurate? | 22:10 |
| LjL | eviscerate, i have links in the channel topic that i think are mostly trustworthy. | 22:10 |
| eviscerate | ok. | 22:10 |
| eviscerate | sorry, thanks. | 22:10 |
| eviscerate | I fogot to look | 22:10 |
| eviscerate | *forgot | 22:10 |
| berndj | if this is a very "fast" disease we might get more cases requiring hospitalization in a very short time; if the disease is "slower" then we can have, in principle, infinitely many cases requiring hospitalization, and still be able to serve everyone because we have infinite time to do so | 22:11 |
| LjL | eviscerate, well it's hard to tell. for example he says "Most coronaviruses cause mild symptoms that patients easily recover from." - this is something you hear commonly, and it is TRUE. however, 1) "most" means about 80%, which means 20% have serious symptoms and need to be hospitalized; 2) people who are old or have other health issues are MUCH more affected than that. MUCH more. | 22:11 |
| LjL | eviscerate, so you see, something can be true but still misleading | 22:11 |
| LjL | berndj, you have a point. but Italy and China are showing that whatever the exact R0 is, it spreads faster than the healthcare system can cope. so no matter what, we need to "flatten the curve", as the expression is becoming | 22:12 |
| freelock | <LjL "eviscerate, well it's hard to te"> do we know that it's 80%/20%? has any entire population been tested? I've been hearing of carriers who don't get sick at all | 22:12 |
| berndj | LjL, yeah, a counterpoint seems to be south korea right? | 22:12 |
| LjL | freelock, no, we don't know that absolutely. those are the most reliable data we have for now | 22:12 |
| eviscerate | LjL, ok, so I have high blood pressure, low thyroid function, am mildly obese (220lbs on 5'8" frame), and I smoked for years and I have smoked a lot of marijuana in recent years. | 22:13 |
| eviscerate | am not sure if I'm at risk. | 22:13 |
| berndj | i wonder if quitting smoking NOW would make any material difference | 22:13 |
| LjL | berndj, yes but south korea implemented such widespread testing that it probably caught a LOT more of the mildly symptomatic cases | 22:13 |
| Albright | berndj: If it didn't make a difference now, it certainly will in the future. | 22:13 |
| LjL | eviscerate, you are definitely at risk. sorry to say. what's your age? | 22:14 |
| berndj | LjL, yes. what i'm getting at is that if we magically found out tomorrow that all of humanity is already infected, then we're kinda done with this | 22:14 |
| eviscerate | 51 year old female | 22:14 |
| berndj | Albright, i don't want to derail with general health advice | 22:14 |
| superkuh | Hey, at least there's that. There some evidence of ace2 receptor differences and better outcomes for women. | 22:14 |
| freelock | I think testing is really critical right now. I suspect that a lot of people have been infected that don't show symptoms and aren't included in those figures | 22:14 |
| freelock | <berndj "LjL, yes. what i'm getting at is"> that is totally how it feels here | 22:15 |
| eviscerate | i want to buy one of those suits they wore in that movie Outbreak | 22:15 |
| eviscerate | I feel like wearing a SCUBA tank to work | 22:15 |
| Albright | berndj: General health advice is still good advice. | 22:15 |
| LjL | berndj, i guess so, but... it seems unlikely. i do wish more countries did what south korea did, even if it seems "pointless" in terms of catching people who need to be cured, because it does improve our knowledge, which is important. but in countries where this is still escalating, like Italy, we're clearly not "done" yet, and yes it would be nice to know when we *will* be done, but right now the tests are barely available for symptomatic people who need | 22:15 |
| LjL | them urgently... | 22:15 |
| Albright | The town where Outbreak was filmed, Ferndale, California, was about five miles away from where I grew up as a kid. | 22:16 |
| LjL | berndj, i must admit i'm multitasking through multiple conversations so i might lose track of what the original point was a little | 22:16 |
| Albright | eviscerate: https://www.amazon.com/DuPont-QC122SYL2X00-Chemical-Protection-Coveralls/dp/B0087P0MV2/ref=sr_1_5 | 22:16 |
| Albright | %title | 22:17 |
| Brainstorm | Albright, the URL could not be loaded | 22:17 |
| LjL | eviscerate, well the good news is that being female and being younger than 60 make you less at risk. the rest still puts you within a definite risk category, though, in my opinion. of course i'm not a doctor, i've just looked at the age group statistics we have so far. | 22:17 |
| berndj | Albright, i've never smoked, so i know nothing about the subjective experience of smoking, but i imagine it might be easier to sell "stop smoking now so if you get covid19 you're slightly less rekt" than to sell "stop smoking now because your all-cause mortality goes down for decades" | 22:17 |
| Albright | berndj: Frankly I think the opposite, but who knows. I've also never been a smoker. | 22:17 |
| LjL | berndj, actually, no, i find that unlikely. i *have* been a smoker, and i've quit. i think if i were still a smoker now, it would be one of the hardest moments to quit, and i'd probably just panic ABOUT smoking WHILE smoking even more. | 22:18 |
| Albright | LjL: Ha, interesting thought. | 22:18 |
| berndj | LjL, i'm also not sold on everyone getting tested NAO. testing isn't free after all. at some point you can spend enough money on "needless" testing that the opportunity cost equals lives | 22:18 |
| eviscerate | LjL, I'm going to take some time off work because of this. | 22:19 |
| eviscerate | am I being paranoid? | 22:19 |
| berndj | i don't think you are | 22:19 |
| LjL | berndj, true, but right now what's very expensive is ICU beds and ventilators, at least here. tests are probably cheap in comparison, although you do need medical people to perform them, which is in turn not so available | 22:19 |
| LjL | eviscerate, no | 22:19 |
| LjL | eviscerate, taking time off work for people at risk is recommended by most people who have issued recommendations on the matter. of course if you risk getting fired and losing your home, that may make things different. | 22:20 |
| berndj | eviscerate, OTOH if your job is, say, "truck driver", then maybe you are being a bit paranoid :) | 22:20 |
| python476 | whats up everybody | 22:20 |
| LjL | python476, your president made a speech that i could listen through the first quarter off, then the french just got on my nerves | 22:20 |
| eviscerate | no i have a ton of money | 22:21 |
| LjL | python476, i went up to the part where ">70yo people need to stay at home unless they absolutely must leave, but elections are going to be held, and everybody should take part, including >70yo" | 22:21 |
| berndj | anyone know what a test costs elsewhere in the world? in my country (south africa) it's, i think, a little short of $100 | 22:21 |
| eviscerate | that's not a problem | 22:21 |
| eviscerate | i work in a place with people from all over the world | 22:21 |
| eviscerate | using shared keyboards | 22:21 |
| eviscerate | and shared spaces | 22:21 |
| eviscerate | closed up rooms, pumped in air, no windows | 22:21 |
| berndj | eew. yeah, not paranoid at all to take time off | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:12 UTC: (news): NYC declares state of emergency, de Blasio says coronavirus 'could easily be a 6-month crisis' → https://is.gd/cK1Uxq | 22:21 |
| LjL | berndj, no idea to be honest, i think in many places the accessory costs are the problem. like, in America, if you request a test without actually being ordered one, you can end up paying thousands, because the entire hospital must suddenly set up isolation protocols, even if you then turn out to be negative | 22:22 |
| LjL | eviscerate, stay home | 22:22 |
| superkuh | re: smoking, even if people stopped now it'd be months before their lungs changed. | 22:22 |
| berndj | eviscerate, unless you're able to take 6 months off work, you could try thinking about when you get the most "bang for your buck" of time off | 22:22 |
| berndj | superkuh, i'm partly asking specifically because i think i've seen contexts where quitting smoking actually makes some things *worse* in the short term. i forget which context that was | 22:23 |
| LjL | eviscerate, in my country, they are getting every famous person to say on TV, tweet, etc "stay home". for everyone, including the healthy young. they are now starting to do it in other countries. in mine, it's actually illegal to be away from home without valid reasons, now, but even without going that far... yes you really should stay home. | 22:23 |
| berndj | LjL, what's that, italy? | 22:24 |
| LjL | berndj, correcto | 22:24 |
| LjL | berndj, yeah, when you stop smoking you're supposed to have a period when your lungs are clearing and you cough a lot of sputum. didn't really happen to me, just what i read everywhere when i was quitting. so that may be counterproductive if you have a respiratory infection at the same time | 22:24 |
| berndj | e vietato e attreversare il binario. that's what made the biggest impression on me when i was there! now just s/il binario/tutto/ | 22:24 |
| superkuh | Smoking stops the cillia from going. Then they restart and it's bad for a bit. | 22:25 |
| berndj | forgive me my broken italian :p | 22:25 |
| eviscerate | ok | 22:25 |
| LjL | berndj, i've actually seen idiot kids cross the tracks (i live in front of a station), so yeah, it's a bit silly there has to be a message like that, but that's because people are silly. beyond silly. | 22:25 |
| eviscerate | ljl, history has taught me that the people who survive are the ones who take aggressive survival actions *early* enough, to save their lives. | 22:25 |
| berndj | i didn't find the message silly, really. just... memorable | 22:25 |
| eviscerate | Look at the 2011 Tsunami | 22:25 |
| eviscerate | people who got to high ground early survived. | 22:26 |
| eviscerate | same as that one that killed 100,000 people in asia | 22:26 |
| eviscerate | in 2003? i forget wheeen | 22:26 |
| berndj | 26 december 2004 | 22:26 |
| eviscerate | the ones who got out early are the ones who lived | 22:26 |
| berndj | the boxing day tsunami | 22:26 |
| LjL | berndj, well, i similarly remember "Mind the gap between the train and the platform" from the London underground. we might be among the few people who remember these things, because i rant about them often but nobody else cares | 22:26 |
| eviscerate | yeah | 22:26 |
| eviscerate | berndj, yeah, that one. | 22:26 |
| berndj | haha "mind the gap" is similarly memorable to me | 22:27 |
| eviscerate | what's that mean? | 22:27 |
| LjL | eviscerate, to pay attention to the empty space between the train door and the platform. not all trains are exactly the same shape so there can be either a gap, or a step | 22:27 |
| eviscerate | ok? | 22:28 |
| berndj | eviscerate, at some stations on london's underground, the platform is curved and/or at a different level than the train car, so you get gaps people can fall into | 22:28 |
| LjL | i mean... you asked, i answered? | 22:28 |
| eviscerate | I have only been on trains a few times in my life. | 22:28 |
| eviscerate | oh | 22:28 |
| berndj | eviscerate, is your financial situation such that you could (if pressed) stay off work quasi-indefinitely? | 22:28 |
| eviscerate | yeah. | 22:29 |
| eviscerate | i could quit today and never have to work another day in my life. | 22:29 |
| berndj | eviscerate, i'm just thinking that maybe the LAST thing you want to do is take time off, run out of money, and then be forced to go back when the disease peaks | 22:29 |
| eviscerate | everything I own is paid for and I have no debt effectively, except one automobile loan | 22:29 |
| berndj | oh. well if you're that secure then i wouldn't think twice about taking time off immediately | 22:30 |
| eviscerate | which I could pay off today. | 22:30 |
| eviscerate | yeah. | 22:30 |
| LjL | berndj, what's depressing here is if you listen to the commuter train announcements, currently there's a TTS voice that when the train starts from the terminus, tells you a long tale on how you're not supposed to smoke even electronic cigarettes and that there are CCTV cameras. then it says the same thing again in english, with a different voice, this time recorded, not TTS. then it announces where the train is going, in italian, with one TTS voice. then | 22:30 |
| LjL | it announces it in english, with one voice for the properly english part, and another for the italian station name. the net effect is a confusing mix of barely understandable voices. plus on some trains the speakers are just half broken so this is interspersed with "bzzzts" and things like that | 22:30 |
| eviscerate | if they tell me I can't take a 30 day leave of absence, I'll take a permanent leave of absence and they can go fuck themselves. | 22:30 |
| eviscerate | now that I think about it. | 22:30 |
| berndj | LjL, if you come to south africa you'll hear voices that are so unintelligible you can't always discern which language they're in. they sound like charlie brown's school teacher | 22:31 |
| eviscerate | pfft, same as the US | 22:31 |
| eviscerate | you ever been on the BART? | 22:31 |
| LjL | berndj, well that sounds depressing too. on UK trains, if the automatic announcements aren't working, the driver will actually key the microphone before every stations. if you asked train drivers to do that in italy they'd laugh in your face. | 22:32 |
| dunnp | BART doesn't actually speak a real language right? | 22:32 |
| eviscerate | "mind the gap" kinda' reminded me of that scene in Blade Runner where he goes, "....reaction time is a factor...." | 22:32 |
| dunnp | wait no im thinking of caltrain | 22:33 |
| eviscerate | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umc9ezAyJv0 | 22:33 |
| LjL | berndj, anyway it all doesn't matter since they're probably in the process of shutting down public transport now ;( | 22:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:31 UTC: (news): Amazon tells all employees to stay home amid coronavirus fears → https://is.gd/rMR5ea | 22:35 |
| LjL | uh oh this one will be an issue for some | 22:36 |
| superkuh | All? | 22:37 |
| superkuh | oh, "If they can." "... and you can't without being fired if your a warehouse worker." | 22:38 |
| pwr22 | If Amazon stops working I think that's the point at which we're doomed | 22:39 |
| LjL | superkuh, sort of | 22:39 |
| eviscerate | okay | 22:40 |
| eviscerate | wait a second | 22:40 |
| LjL | the specifics are not very clear from the article, but it definitely sounds like amazon is not shutting down | 22:40 |
| eviscerate | i just, something occurred to me. | 22:40 |
| eviscerate | are those who are "recovered" no longer infectious? | 22:40 |
| eviscerate | or is it like the herpes virus where once you have it, you always have it? | 22:40 |
| LjL | eviscerate, they should be. there have been some cases where they've been found positive again later, though. | 22:40 |
| eviscerate | and are those who get tested, and test positive | 22:40 |
| LjL | eviscerate, it hopefully isn't, but we don't really know for sure yet | 22:40 |
| superkuh | eviscerate, it is not a retrovirus. | 22:40 |
| superkuh | We do know. | 22:41 |
| eviscerate | are they going to be fed into a meat grinder so they can't infect others? | 22:41 |
| superkuh | That is a very simple thing to know. | 22:41 |
| superkuh | There is no uncertainty. | 22:41 |
| eviscerate | superkuh, i don't know what that means. | 22:41 |
| eviscerate | help me understand? | 22:41 |
| LjL | superkuh, contingo, is HSV a retrovirus? | 22:41 |
| superkuh | LjL, yes. | 22:41 |
| superkuh | eviscerate, a retrovirus like herpes or HIV integrates itself into your genome. | 22:41 |
| superkuh | Your normal DNA. | 22:41 |
| eviscerate | ok. | 22:42 |
| superkuh | Then when that DNA is expressed it's proteins are made and it assembles. | 22:42 |
| eviscerate | and this doesn't? | 22:42 |
| superkuh | coronaviruses are not retroviruses. | 22:42 |
| superkuh | And that is very clear. | 22:42 |
| eviscerate | can you show me that? | 22:42 |
| eviscerate | ok. | 22:42 |
| eviscerate | ok. | 22:42 |
| skyofdust | %data mexico | 22:42 |
| Brainstorm | skyofdust: In all areas, Mexico, there are 12 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 4 recoveries as of March 12, 05:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mexico for time series data. | 22:42 |
| eviscerate | that makes sense I think. | 22:42 |
| superkuh | I could be wrong but I don't think there are any retrovirus RNA viruses. | 22:43 |
| superkuh | Just DNA viruses. | 22:43 |
| superkuh | Oh, no, HIV is RNA virus and a retrovirus. | 22:43 |
| superkuh | But still, coronaviruses are not. | 22:43 |
| LjL | superkuh, it may be a naive check but the word "herpes" never appears in the Wikipedia article "Retrovirus"... and i thought herpes stayed in your system not because it integrates itself into your DNA, but because it colonizes some of your nerve ganglia, and the immune system doesn't really reach there. and then, there is some tentative evidence of nervous system involvement with COVID-19 (at least sometimes), so i thought it was at least possible. | 22:43 |
| eviscerate | i read that this one was a mutant with traits of hiv | 22:43 |
| pwr22 | I'm not even sure how therr could be unless it gets into the mitochondria or something? | 22:44 |
| superkuh | eviscerate, that's silly. | 22:44 |
| eviscerate | https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/coronavirus-contains-hiv-insertions-stoking-fears-over-artificially-created-bioweapon | 22:44 |
| superkuh | LjL, oh. That's embarrassing. I really though it was a retrovirus. | 22:45 |
| LjL | eviscerate, there is a lot of this about it being a bioweapon. it's not hard science, more conspiracy theories backed up by little. | 22:45 |
| LjL | eviscerate, i think we don't completely know that it can't stay around, but that doesn't mean it's a bioweapon made out of HIV, that's quite a leap | 22:45 |
| eviscerate | LjL, have you read that particular article? | 22:45 |
| LjL | no | 22:45 |
| eviscerate | it doesn't say it's made out of hiv | 22:45 |
| pwr22 | We share a lot of DNA with daffodils | 22:45 |
| LjL | it will say it has HIV-like spikes | 22:46 |
| eviscerate | read it and let me know what you think? | 22:46 |
| skyofdust | Well, since CRISPR it could have become way easier. | 22:46 |
| pwr22 | I'm not sure if viral lines have similar common ancestry | 22:46 |
| eviscerate | i know that's a conspiracy site but this makes sense to me? | 22:46 |
| skyofdust | Even if they do, they separated toooooo long ago | 22:46 |
| skyofdust | And I mean convergent evolution exists | 22:46 |
| LjL | eviscerate, okay, but to begin with, at the very start of the article there is an "UPDATE" with a tweet that basically says these "inserts" are found in "a huge variety of organisms. No reason to conclude HIV." | 22:47 |
| LjL | so should i really read the rest, when the article itself says "whoops, no, sorry, we were wrong"? | 22:47 |
| eviscerate | The insertions were observed to be present in all the genomic sequences of 2019-nCoV virus available from the recent clinical isolates. To know the source of these insertions in 2019-nCoV a local alignment was done with BLASTp using these insertions as query with all virus genome. Unexpectedly, all the insertions got aligned with Human immunodeficiency Virus-1 (HIV-1). Further analysis revealed that aligned sequences of HIV-1 with 2019-nCoV were | 22:47 |
| eviscerate | derived from surface glycoprotein gp120 (amino acid sequence positions: 404-409, 462-467, 136-150) and from Gag protein (366-384 amino acid) (Table 1). Gag protein of HIV is involved in host membrane binding, packaging of the virus and for the formation of virus-like particles. Gp120 plays crucial role in recognizing the host cell by binding to the primary receptor CD4.This binding induces structural rearrangements in GP120, creating a high affinity | 22:47 |
| eviscerate | binding site for a chemokine co-receptor like CXCR4 and/or CCR5. | 22:47 |
| skyofdust | But this is not how it works, it makes similar mechanisms not similar code | 22:47 |
| dunnp | HPV is not a retrovirus but it can still integrate into your genome.. | 22:47 |
| eviscerate | sorry for spam | 22:47 |
| pwr22 | <eviscerate "i know that's a conspiracy site "> Just because something makes sense to someone doesn't mean it's the truth | 22:47 |
| eviscerate | right | 22:47 |
| eviscerate | that's why I'm asking here. | 22:47 |
| eviscerate | i told you i don't know what the fuck to believe | 22:47 |
| eviscerate | sorry for using that language | 22:48 |
| dunnp | it is not made from hiv | 22:49 |
| pwr22 | That's fine, and we don't have all the answers but there's probably no reason to be concerned about that | 22:49 |
| eviscerate | oh god | 22:50 |
| LjL | eviscerate, well, i believe people who are virologists and epidemiologists. i'm not one of them, so i can only use my common sense and a grain of salt. which tells me that when i see in an article things like "The virus even responds to treatment by HIV medications", now THAT makes my "fake news!" bell ring, if anything, because it's cunning language to make you think it can't possibly NOT have to do with HIV, because hey, it responds to the same | 22:50 |
| LjL | treatments! but that's silly, COVID-19 also responds to a malaria treatment, but that doesn't make it malaria. | 22:50 |
| eviscerate | pwr22, can I msg? | 22:50 |
| dunnp | the paper about the similarity to hiv was withdrawn | 22:51 |
| pwr22 | If you want but I'm in bed so may fall asleep soon 😅 | 22:52 |
| pwr22 | I don't really know anything more than's been already said here | 22:52 |
| aradesh | my supermarket has no delivery slots available until monday :/ | 22:56 |
| aradesh | ah well, i made a nice big order for then | 22:56 |
| skyofdust | I mean it could happen that it would have the exact same code, but the chances of that are reeeeally slim. | 22:56 |
| dunnp | skyofdust: it doesn't | 22:57 |
| dunnp | there are some short random matches that are not significant | 22:57 |
| dunnp | very cherry picked | 22:57 |
| dunnp | take a look at all of the biorxiv comments | 22:58 |
| skyofdust | I hope it totally gets disproven, it was a scary thing put out there huh | 22:58 |
| LjL | aradesh, monday? you're lucky, next delivery here is march 23, and i don't think it's going to get better going ahead | 22:58 |
| dunnp | it was and the paper was withdrawn | 22:58 |
| dunnp | *was disproven | 22:58 |
| aradesh | LjL: i should probably book next week's one soon then too... | 22:59 |
| aradesh | i ordered 18 toilet rolls, lol | 22:59 |
| LjL | aradesh, hoarder ;( | 22:59 |
| aradesh | and lots of anti bacterial wipes :P | 22:59 |
| eviscerate | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1 | 22:59 |
| aradesh | LjL: hey! i need some too | 22:59 |
| dunnp | eviscerate: see the whole "this article has been withdrawn" in red? | 22:59 |
| LjL | aradesh, sure you do. but 18? how much do you... actually nevermind | 22:59 |
| aradesh | and if i'm at home all day i'll probably get through lots | 22:59 |
| aradesh | i didn't think it was too excessive... two packs of 9 | 23:00 |
| LjL | dunnp, somehow i feel a paper with a title starting with "Uncanny" isn't going to have a long life | 23:00 |
| eviscerate | dunnp, because someone revealing the truth couldn't be forced to retract their statements by State Actors? | 23:01 |
| dunnp | eviscerate: give me a break | 23:01 |
| dunnp | https://www.bioworld.com/articles/433087-article-headline | 23:01 |
| dunnp | also read all the comment on the biorxiv paper | 23:02 |
| eviscerate | ok | 23:02 |
| dunnp | it was a hacky and cherry-picked analysis | 23:02 |
| LjL | eviscerate, with that mindset, nothing anyone will ever tell you will convince you. it could always be someone who's also conspiring, or believing false truths. | 23:02 |
| dunnp | I do genomics research for a living and jsut looking at their blast results it is obvious | 23:02 |
| eviscerate | dunnp, Outsourced to India? Please do the needful? | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 22:01 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buonasera a tutti. Ecco il riassunto per il 12 marzo → https://is.gd/80lQxA | 23:03 |
| eviscerate | ugh. | 23:04 |
| eviscerate | I hate feeling like i have no idea what to believe. | 23:04 |
| eviscerate | so i'm just waiting and seeing | 23:04 |
| eviscerate | am NOT trying to spread conspiracy theories or panic | 23:05 |
| LjL | eviscerate, how about this viewpoint: whether or not it's a bioweapon, whether or not it came from a lab, this thing is pretty infectious, and pretty dangerous, especially for people at risk. that sounds scary enough to me without getting into "who made it" | 23:05 |
| eviscerate | yeah. fair enough. | 23:05 |
| aeth | In particular, the important thing is to reduce the number of people who are potentially exposed every day, which reduces the growth factor in the exponential growth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg | 23:06 |
| LjL | as a disclaimers, my alternative viewpoints rarely sound very optimistic. | 23:06 |
| aradesh | has everyone seen this clip? :P https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/fftcd7/did_u_just_cough_at_me/ | 23:06 |
| LjL | aradesh, i mostly don't understand what they're saying | 23:08 |
| dunnp | our K-12 schools are now canceled | 23:09 |
| dunnp | looks like US might have been a little slow but finally shutting things down | 23:09 |
| LjL | dunnp, just in time to blame it on Europe | 23:09 |
| aradesh | "are you serious? did you just cough at me?!" | 23:10 |
| aradesh | :P | 23:10 |
| LjL | aradesh, yeah that part i did get :P | 23:10 |
| aradesh | and she calls him a bully | 23:10 |
| LjL | aradesh, but what was she saying before that? were they already arguing? | 23:10 |
| aradesh | yeah let's see | 23:10 |
| dunnp | here is a good paper about the evolutionary history of the virus: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2012-7 | 23:11 |
| aradesh | "i did not open my mouth no i cough i coughed inside my mouth" | 23:11 |
| aradesh | he'd obviously already told her to cover her mouth when coughing | 23:11 |
| LjL | aradesh, afterwards he looks like he's calling the cops or about to make a video of the scene, but really it turns out he's just changing his music or something | 23:12 |
| aradesh | yeah that's what i thought too :P | 23:12 |
| aradesh | The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent virus threat and have therefore raised their threat level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, level may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.” The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. | 23:16 |
| aradesh | hehe | 23:16 |
| aradesh | good night | 23:17 |
| Albright | That's what counts for a "public freakout" nowadays? | 23:17 |
| LjL | in britain | 23:18 |
| LjL | ugggh. i messed up (partly rolled back) the topic pastebin again. | 23:21 |
| LjL | i had written such a rant on lack of preparedness! and now it's gone | 23:21 |
| LjL | and it's clearly been several versions since i deleted that part without realizing. it's almost as if i should start using git | 23:23 |
| Birosso | %cases Germany | 23:23 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Germany, there are 2745 cases, 6 deaths (0.2% of cases), 25 recoveries as of March 12, 22:15Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 23:23 |
| Birosso | People are hoarding pasta in my town. | 23:23 |
| Birosso | Don't ask. | 23:23 |
| LjL | why are people hoarding pasta in your town? | 23:25 |
| Birosso | I don't know! Someone was just joking that people are eventually going to have to go out to buy minced meat as well. It's all very ridiculous. | 23:25 |
| Birosso | If you mean why hoarding in general... | 23:26 |
| Birosso | Sixth death has been confirmed, and the local news have reported infections. | 23:26 |
| Birosso | (In the region, obviously) | 23:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:24 UTC: Frontline medical workers are asking: With schools closing, who will care for their kids?: Some doctors and nurses lack childcare in regions hard hit by the coronavirus, like Seattle. Schools and some day care centers are closing. But they're needed more than ever as the coronavirus continues its spread. → https://is.gd/6bnbjG | 23:31 |
| ryouma | except the british today is more like "well why can't we let the sick and disabled and old just die? it would get rid of a burden to society and free up the hospital shortage which of course is not our fault at all" | 23:33 |
| Birosso | The sick, the disabled, and the old? | 23:34 |
| ryouma | increasingly implicit in policy for 30+ years and now openly discussed | 23:34 |
| Birosso | Hmmmm, we sure we're talking about Britain here? | 23:34 |
| ryouma | yup | 23:34 |
| ryouma | very much so | 23:34 |
| ryouma | afk | 23:34 |
| LjL | dunnp, added paper to topic, at least until last time i revert it accidentally | 23:35 |
| Albright | And yet Brits talk down to us Yanks for being reluctant to (further) socialize healthcare. | 23:37 |
| pwr22 | !cases seattle | 23:37 |
| Albright | %data seattle | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: Sorry, seattle not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 23:37 |
| Albright | %data wa | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: In all areas, Kuwait, there are 80 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 5 recoveries as of March 12, 22:30Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Kuwait for time series data. | 23:37 |
| Birosso | Kuwait :D | 23:37 |
| Albright | %data washington | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: In Washington, US, there are 366 cases, 29 deaths (7.9% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 12, 21:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Washington for time series data. | 23:37 |
| python476 | I wonder if there are facebook challenges to see who's gonna be the most dilligent and less infected city | 23:37 |
| Birosso | Facebook... challenges? | 23:38 |
| Birosso | That's a thing? | 23:38 |
| Birosso | Wait, what? | 23:38 |
| pwr22 | !cases wa | 23:38 |
| Birosso | 8% death in Washington? | 23:38 |
| LjL | Birosso, most of them are in a nursing home, and tested *because* they died, from what i've heard | 23:38 |
| Birosso | Oh boy. | 23:38 |
| Albright | !cases King County, WA, US | 23:39 |
| LjL | Birosso, the death rate should always be taken with a grain of salt since how the cases are counted varies widely. the fact does remain that places like nursing homes are going to be... decimated... and being like "i don't care, they're old" is just short of criminal (and no that attitude isn't being unique to the UK) | 23:39 |
| Albright | We're not exactly dealing with Skynet in this channel are we | 23:40 |
| pwr22 | !cases king county | 23:41 |
| Albright | King County is Seattle, so that data is very incorrect. | 23:41 |
| pwr22 | %cases king county | 23:42 |
| Brainstorm | pwr22: Sorry, king county not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 23:42 |
| BruntLIVE | America could not handle two major events . Just imagine corona and 9-11 part 2. we would be lost. We would literally war with each other out of fear because we are spoiled and think life is an App | 23:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 22:28 UTC: Coronavirus: People with fever or 'continuous' cough told to self-isolate: The PM warns families will continue to "lose loved ones before their time" as he announces new measures to combat coronavirus. → https://is.gd/RBTLW6 | 23:45 |
| isbvm[m] | <Brainstorm "New from BBC Health at 22:28 UTC"> watch the full thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0chs7bVQ8Y it's actually really informative | 23:47 |
| LjL | i have data per state, i don't have data per county, and not planning to unless JHU/offloop brings it back | 23:51 |
| LjL | %cases wa | 23:52 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Washington, US, there are 366 cases, 29 deaths (7.9% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 12, 22:40Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 23:52 |
| LjL | Birosso, anyway, you know where 8% death rate is not just from nursing homes? | 23:53 |
| LjL | %cases lombardia | 23:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 8725 cases, 744 deaths (8.5% of cases), 1085 recoveries as of March 12, 16:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 23:53 |
| superkuh | Italy, where the demographics slant strongly to old people. | 23:53 |
| LjL | sure but the rest of italy is lower | 23:53 |
| LjL | also japan | 23:53 |
| Albright | %data japan | 23:55 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: In all areas, Japan, there are 691 cases, 19 deaths (2.7% of cases), 118 recoveries as of March 12, 22:40Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Japan for time series data. | 23:55 |
| LjL | Japan is actually the "oldest" country, Italy comes second | 23:55 |
| ryouma | (n.b. i aws not talking about socialized vs. non-socialized health care re uk policy. i was talking about policy of pretending serious diseases do not exist, and discrimination against those who have chronic diseases, and human rights violations. even as we speak uk are in trouble with un special rapporteur ondisability. you can expect much more in future.) | 23:55 |
| LjL | and Lombardy isn't any significantly older than Italy as a whole... | 23:55 |
| ryouma | where is japan in all of this | 23:56 |
| ryouma | is it leveling off | 23:56 |
| LjL | ryouma, no, i'm afraid it's gone from fairly linear to suspiciously increasing | 23:56 |
| ryouma | i am not sure the publicv i being informed over there | 23:57 |
| ryouma | i was told normal lifestyle expected in a month | 23:57 |
| LjL | the number of cases is still sort of contained... it's roughly at the point where other countries suddenly announce measures | 23:57 |
| LjL | i meant just low, not really contained | 23:58 |
| superkuh | Case in my local hospital now. | 23:59 |
| superkuh | City 15k pop. | 23:59 |
| ryouma | my mother has had a bad cough for maybe 12d but her temperature is below normal | 23:59 |
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