| iz | grocery stores were crazy this afternoon, i gave up before parking | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| oriba | how can panic buying happen without too many people being at the same place? Will those who came late and got no toilet paper stay healthy more likely? | 00:02 |
| HeXiLeD | iz: where? | 00:02 |
| iz | san francisco | 00:03 |
| iz | and several other counties also | 00:03 |
| oriba | san francisco: if you feel sick, go to the bridge ;-) | 00:03 |
| HeXiLeD | yes, the fresh waterish air will help | 00:04 |
| oriba | have a nice flight ... | 00:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus updates: French citizens ordered to stay in their homes, as Canada closes borders to foreigners – live news → https://is.gd/qp8cGw | 00:08 |
| pyth-back | o/ | 00:10 |
| Acoustic[m] | <Brainstorm "Poon_: In all areas, Vietnam, th"> !cases Poland | 00:18 |
| Biep[m] | !cases Netherlands | 00:20 |
| bin_bash | !cases Switzerland | 00:20 |
| Biep[m] | !cases Burkina | 00:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:18 UTC: (news): Boeing and Trump administration in talks about short-term aid as aviation reels from coronavirus → https://is.gd/nNNsuu | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:18 UTC: US coronavirus live: millions of Californians told to 'shelter-in-place': US gun and ammunition sales soar New York, New Jersey and Connecticut close bars and restaurants Coronavirus map: latest US cases See all our coronavirus coverage Support the Guardian’s independent journalism. Make a contribution → https://is.gd/9orTFg | 00:31 |
| bin_bash | !cases New Zealand | 00:45 |
| raoul-5 | !cases France | 00:46 |
| B[m]2 | !cases | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: French ordered to stay inside as White House urges isolation and EU bans non-essential travel → https://is.gd/fdR1BX | 01:16 |
| Albright | %data idaho | 01:26 |
| Brainstorm | TypeError: message() got an unexpected keyword argument 'separator' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 150, in covid) | 01:26 |
| Albright | !cases idaho | 01:26 |
| Albright | FIVE? | 01:26 |
| Albright | Huh, 3 are in more sparsely-populated east Idaho. Only two are in the Boise area. | 01:28 |
| pyth-back | this event is an interesting lesson | 01:28 |
| pyth-back | early jan I went to the doctor to get support and potentially find shelter | 01:28 |
| pyth-back | it was around the time ncov started to pop in wuhan | 01:29 |
| pyth-back | world has flipped entirely since | 01:29 |
| pyth-back | how fast can shit happen :) | 01:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:25 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: Qantas and Jetstar slash international and domestic flights - latest updates: Airlines ground planes; Queensland Nationals senator Susan McDonald second federal politician after Peter Dutton to test positive; number of cases in Australia now more than 370. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 01:29 |
| B[m]2 | Got my COVID-19 test done today. They stick that swan stick very far up the nose to the back of the throat. | 01:40 |
| B[m]2 | Will have results in 24 hours | 01:40 |
| pyth-back | B[m]2: yeah some guy uploaded a video of it, he screamed twice | 01:41 |
| pyth-back | how do you feel ? feverish ? | 01:41 |
| B[m]2 | <pyth-back "B: yeah some guy uploaded a vide"> Slight fever but feeling ok | 01:42 |
| B[m]2 | <pyth-back "B: yeah some guy uploaded a vide"> Do you have link to video? | 01:42 |
| pyth-back | gonna see | 01:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 21 new cases, Malaysia shuts borders → https://is.gd/NWx6j7 | 01:43 |
| pyth-back | B[m]2: cant find it | 01:46 |
| zirpu[m] | i have a terrible idea. let's have a flash mob of zombies somewhere. :-) | 01:47 |
| LjL | ugh | 01:48 |
| LjL | and there's me, thinking it was just swabbing the back of your throat | 01:48 |
| LjL | (which sounds annoying enough) | 01:48 |
| pyth-back | the video was dark but the sound he made ... you know it's deep | 01:49 |
| pyth-back | reminded me of Total Recall | 01:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: California: millions told to 'shelter-in-place' to stop spread of coronavirus → https://is.gd/sZkkXQ | 01:50 |
| ryouma | i stil have nasopharyngeal problems from a nasopharyngeal swab | 01:50 |
| ryouma | if it is the kind that has the hooks then it is bad. if it is just a soft q tip then it would be temporary. | 01:50 |
| pyth-back | it looked like a large tube | 01:51 |
| pyth-back | didn't see hooks | 01:51 |
| ryouma | idk if hooks ar visible. buyt they are to scrape tissue | 01:52 |
| pyth-back | shit* | 01:52 |
| ryouma | if i use a nose spray i get a headache from that region | 01:53 |
| pyth-back | ryouma: they should have shown that on day 1 | 01:53 |
| ryouma | well i fyou ahve to do it you have to do it | 01:53 |
| pyth-back | nobody would have gone outside just from the fear of being scraped like that | 01:53 |
| ryouma | anything that gets everybody to stop being stupid is good | 01:54 |
| ryouma | stay the !@#$ home unless you have to do something needed like necessary shopping or medical or taking care of somebody who needs carign for | 01:55 |
| pyth-back | tinder is necessary right ? | 01:57 |
| pyth-back | right ? | 01:57 |
| pyth-back | python476: you suck | 01:57 |
| LjL | you won't see me disagreeing | 01:58 |
| pyth-back | ._. | 01:59 |
| ryouma | %data tx | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Texas, US, there are 85 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 17, 00:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:59 |
| ryouma | %data az | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Arizona, US, there are 18 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 17, 00:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 21 new cases, Malaysia shuts borders → https://is.gd/NWx6j7 | 02:02 |
| exoteric | %data wv | 02:08 |
| Brainstorm | exoteric: Sorry, wv not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 02:08 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | What’s up guys | 02:12 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | I feel like this room isint busy enuf , is there a bigger room ? | 02:12 |
| LjL | it was a lot busier last night. perhaps we're starting to get a bit depleted. i know i was last night. | 02:13 |
| changnick | Sure, ##coronavirus-vox or #coronavirus | 02:13 |
| changnick | But uh, lurk more. | 02:13 |
| LjL | changnick, do you think they'll be okay if spam *this* room in *those* rooms? | 02:13 |
| changnick | I don't know, go in with good intentions. Don't go in to spam. | 02:14 |
| LjL | am there. sorry, that was just a little snarky. | 02:15 |
| changnick | :) no problem | 02:16 |
| pyth-back | guilhermeesq[m]: what do you want more ? | 02:17 |
| pyth-back | there's also reddit, and similar | 02:17 |
| LjL | pyth-back, reddit's pace these days, it's probably more realtime than most of irc | 02:17 |
| pyth-back | LjL: pretty much | 02:18 |
| pyth-back | especially on topics like this | 02:18 |
| pyth-back | but this chan is good enough IMO | 02:18 |
| pyth-back | enough people, enough data | 02:19 |
| LjL | pyth-back, i don't have good statistics on topics like this, i've lost my reddit archive of the spanish flu | 02:19 |
| pyth-back | veryold.reddit.com | 02:19 |
| sikismakinesi | turkey' situation is very good these days | 02:19 |
| sikismakinesi | fuck chinese | 02:19 |
| LjL | sikismakinesi, ? | 02:19 |
| sikismakinesi | why are u eat bat | 02:19 |
| pyth-back | sikismakinesi: come on | 02:19 |
| pyth-back | calm down | 02:19 |
| sikismakinesi | ok | 02:19 |
| sikismakinesi | sorry | 02:20 |
| sikismakinesi | btut that was true | 02:20 |
| sikismakinesi | am i wrong?? | 02:20 |
| LjL | pyth-back, .-. . -.. -.. .. - | 02:20 |
| LjL | sikismakinesi, yes, in more than one way | 02:20 |
| pyth-back | sikismakinesi: bat eating is not the only way viruses emerge | 02:20 |
| sikismakinesi | why are u using morse code | 02:20 |
| pyth-back | it's bad taste to blame countries like that | 02:20 |
| hazel | https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fjss13/madagascar_closes_ports/ | 02:20 |
| sikismakinesi | idk | 02:20 |
| sikismakinesi | i le | 02:20 |
| LjL | sikismakinesi, maybe if you weren't so focused on saying bad things against chinese people you could read the backscroll and sort of infer why i was using morse code | 02:21 |
| hazel | wet markets are a hazard to humanity | 02:21 |
| sikismakinesi | dont come turkey | 02:21 |
| LjL | sikismakinesi, that sounds like good advice, i won't | 02:22 |
| sikismakinesi | yeah | 02:22 |
| sikismakinesi | dont come | 02:22 |
| pyth-back | sikismakinesi: don't be a child | 02:22 |
| sikismakinesi | we are good these days | 02:22 |
| sikismakinesi | i want to be child | 02:22 |
| pyth-back | well i'm happy you don't have problems | 02:23 |
| LjL | so do we all... especially given children don't get symptoms | 02:23 |
| pyth-back | sikismakinesi: then ops will move you back to kindergarten | 02:23 |
| sikismakinesi | because children are not dying from corona virus | 02:23 |
| LjL | but if i were a child i probably wouldn't know how to type on irc | 02:23 |
| sikismakinesi | yeah .d | 02:23 |
| pyth-back | LjL 2010s kids just install android IRC bridge and use google voice to text | 02:23 |
| sikismakinesi | that is out of topic | 02:24 |
| LjL | pyth-back, been there done that, it didn't like my accent much though | 02:24 |
| pyth-back | really | 02:24 |
| LjL | phew | 02:25 |
| pyth-back | let's all move to turkey <o/ | 02:25 |
| pyth-back | and bring back the secret for their kebap sauce | 02:25 |
| LjL | bats | 02:25 |
| pyth-back | bat blood | 02:26 |
| LjL | hmm bat blood pudding | 02:26 |
| LjL | pyth-back, aso, not really, i only tested google speech to text briefly, and it was okay with my accent, but then i decided it was obviously way too privacy-invasive to let google know about all the things i was saying, so i managed to get an open source speech recognition thing working instead, where "working" means after several attempts i can mostly get it to write the sentence i mean | 02:27 |
| pyth-back | yeah I started dropping google stuff too | 02:28 |
| LjL | also someone commented on my youtube video (the irony) "can't get past the accent". i wanted to reply "well that's why i took the pain to manually create subtitles for it", but i didn't figure out how to actually see the comment and reply (presumably youtube's treating it as below spam threshold or something, but as the video owner i should see it *somewhere*, meh, who cares) | 02:29 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | I know the source of covid-19 | 02:30 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | His name is ozzy | 02:30 |
| LjL | okay... i guess | 02:31 |
| pyth-back | guilhermeesq[m]: fake | 02:32 |
| MrBrave | IronY: | 02:32 |
| IronY | MrBrave: | 02:32 |
| IronY | :) | 02:32 |
| MrBrave | Yo | 02:32 |
| MrBrave | Be safe ❤ | 02:33 |
| IronY | You two my man | 02:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:30 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: all cricket cancelled as NSW government announces $2.3bn stimulus package – latest updates: All cricket cancelled; Queensland Nationals senator Susan McDonald second federal politician after Peter Dutton to test positive; number of cases in Australia now more than 370. Follow all the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 02:37 |
| LjL | well this start shaking India also | 02:38 |
| LjL | i haven't even watched that nose swab video that was mentioned but i have a bad feeling in my gut just from the general description. i really did think it was a throat swab. brr. | 02:40 |
| LjL | i mean obviously it's the least of issues, it just makes me feel weird. | 02:40 |
| pyth-back | i couldn't find pictures of the tube I saw on video | 02:41 |
| pyth-back | 'covid nasal test' showed mostly cotton swab | 02:41 |
| hazel | https://apnews.com/a342998638cdccb56172a1663e8d6edf | 02:42 |
| LjL | %title | 02:42 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From apnews.com: San Francisco Bay Area counties issue shelter-in-place order | 02:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Californians told to 'shelter in place' as NZ launches historic spending package → https://is.gd/fdR1BX | 02:49 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, you're only 7 minutes late. good thing you're supposed to poll every 5 minutes | 02:51 |
| pyth-back | turn a blower into a cpap https://github.com/jcl5m1/ventilator | 02:53 |
| LjL | pyth-back, i suspect just using a CPAP *as* a CPAP will be somewhat effective with less risk of destroying it | 02:54 |
| LjL | (source: Italy is actually using CPAPs since we have no ventilators left, although i realize there's more than one kind) | 02:54 |
| pyth-back | LjL any news of new arrivals of ventilators ? | 02:55 |
| LjL | pyth-back, i think today's press conference said something, let me grab the transcript... | 02:55 |
| pyth-back | oh | 02:56 |
| LjL | pyth-back, nope, no numbers given today. i think they had given some numbers in the past few days, just not nearly *enough* of them... also, not always easy to understand what they're saying are *delivered* and what are *expected* | 02:57 |
| pyth-back | yeah alright | 02:57 |
| LjL | "expected" can be pretty virtual if it's like with the masks, i.e. they have contracts but then those contracts have to be scrapped because the country the maker is in requisitions them | 02:57 |
| pyth-back | but something is moving a bit on that topic | 02:57 |
| LjL | China "donated" a few ventilators to us i think, where "donated" is our media's term for "sold" when it comes to China apparently | 02:58 |
| LjL | but when you compare it to other countries requisitioning placed orders, i guess it's fair. we'll only be indebted with China for the next millennium i guess. shouldn't be an issue. | 02:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 21 new cases, Malaysia shuts borders → https://is.gd/NWx6j7 | 03:01 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, that's so live you only posted it like three times | 03:01 |
| twomoon | ljl you should order an O2 concentrator | 03:07 |
| twomoon | i am willing to donate some money to you to do so | 03:07 |
| LjL | no, i should have bought one a week or two ago when they were still available | 03:07 |
| LjL | i can't buy one now, they're gone | 03:07 |
| twomoon | what the hell | 03:07 |
| Albright | Here's the web page the city of SF put together for their lockdown: https://sf.gov/stay-home-except-essential-needs#main-content | 03:15 |
| Albright | It's horrific. So glad I'm not there. If I were, I'd be getting out of there immediately. | 03:15 |
| LjL | i probably wouldn't go as far as "horrific"... i am under very similar rules, i think i'll reserve "horrific" for when i'm on a ventilator | 03:18 |
| zirpu[m] | it's all really good practice for when we have a more deadly contagion. | 03:21 |
| slacko297541 | my country is taking it lightly. I'm afraid a disaster's in the making | 03:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:15 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: all cricket cancelled as NSW government announces $2.3bn stimulus package – latest updates: All cricket cancelled; Queensland Nationals senator Susan McDonald second federal politician after Peter Dutton to test positive; number of cases in Australia now more than 370. Follow all the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 03:25 |
| Albright | %data japan | 03:32 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: In all areas, Japan, there are 833 cases, 27 deaths (3.2% of cases), 144 recoveries as of March 17, 02:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Japan for time series data. | 03:32 |
| Albright | %data us | 03:32 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: In all areas, US, there are 4667 cases, 87 deaths (1.9% of cases), 74 recoveries as of March 17, 02:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:32 |
| xionbox[m] | How regularly is offloop updated? | 03:34 |
| LjL | xionbox[m], every 15 minutes it checks data from JHU and other sources | 03:39 |
| LjL | how regularly *those* are updated... depends on which country or region you're looking at | 03:40 |
| LjL | Italy only provides data once a day, so you won't get updates more than once a day for Italy (anywhere) | 03:40 |
| xionbox[m] | Cool thx | 03:41 |
| xionbox[m] | I saw this data just recently that the US is exactly on track to meet the number of infections that Italy has | 03:42 |
| xionbox[m] | Just a few days behind | 03:42 |
| xionbox[m] | It's concerning, as I live in the US (but not from here), and I know the medical system here is garbage | 03:42 |
| LjL | well, it's concerning, but the US is also much bigger than Italy | 03:43 |
| zelll | number of infections is misleading bc us has a much larger population | 03:43 |
| LjL | it makes more sense to compare the US to the EU (although then the EU is bigger than *that*) | 03:43 |
| zelll | infections per capita | 03:43 |
| LjL | divide by population if you want to get rough comparability | 03:43 |
| tilikum | will the disease make housing prices go down | 03:43 |
| tilikum | i want to buy a condo | 03:43 |
| zelll | it could actually | 03:44 |
| tilikum | when will the market take the peak hit | 03:44 |
| zelll | who knows | 03:44 |
| tilikum | oh | 03:44 |
| tilikum | :/ | 03:44 |
| xionbox[m] | Yeah those are fair points | 03:45 |
| tilikum | i am glad id dint buy earlier | 03:45 |
| tilikum | this will be a boon to my transaction | 03:45 |
| haze1 | i think most people are going to get this sooner or later | 03:46 |
| LjL | xionbox[m], it depends on what you want to know really, the data are just data. like if you want to know roughly your chances of getting it at this time, you should probably look at the most regionalized information you can find, unless you travel a lot (which doesn't seem advisable these days) | 03:46 |
| LjL | haze1, unless a vaccine is found before that happens, that does seem likely | 03:46 |
| haze1 | its so contagious | 03:47 |
| xionbox[m] | The overall good news here is that it'll trigger the recession which has been long overdue | 03:47 |
| LjL | there are more contagious diseases, but yeah... it does seem pretty contagious | 03:47 |
| LjL | xionbox[m], has it? we've been in a recession since 2008 | 03:47 |
| xionbox[m] | LjL: In terms of stock market performance, yes. In | 03:48 |
| xionbox[m] | In terms of salary adjustments, we have not seen much growth in nearly thirty years in the US | 03:48 |
| xionbox[m] | I don't know about Europe though | 03:48 |
| yuriwho | good evening peeps | 03:49 |
| LjL | hi | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 21 new cases, Malaysia shuts borders → https://is.gd/NWx6j7 | 04:01 |
| twomoon | hi yuriwho | 04:04 |
| yuriwho | I have not been following news or researching today.... any major new info | 04:05 |
| xionbox[m] | 21 new cases seems like a low number, which is great. Have they reached the peak like ROK? | 04:05 |
| sneep | France is on lockdown, other countries are still dragging their feet | 04:05 |
| haze1 | ive been ordered to shelter in place | 04:06 |
| haze1 | san francisco bay area under shelter in place order | 04:06 |
| haze1 | all non-essential businesses to close tomorrow | 04:06 |
| yuriwho | I am not at my cottage in the boonies with 4 9th graders | 04:06 |
| yuriwho | now | 04:07 |
| xionbox[m] | yuriwho: yes. France is in lock down, with the army monitoring people's movements. It's in response to people hanging out in public gardens throughout the weekend. The president of France (Macron) also announced a 300 billion euro package to avoid businesses from going bankrupt. Anything they need to pay for the next two weeks is suspended (which also means that businesses cannot request other businesses to pay the | 04:07 |
| xionbox[m] | bills to them). Salaried people will also temporarily get unemployment benefits if they cannot work from home (everyone is confined home unless their work does not allow working from home) | 04:07 |
| yuriwho | Zion box[m]:thats good, should start reducing spread | 04:08 |
| yuriwho | so many people are not taking this seriously | 04:09 |
| sneep | 300 billion? That's the largest monetary amount I've seen in a while | 04:09 |
| haze1 | https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/16/coronavirus-bay-area-residents-ordered-shelter-place/5061938002/ | 04:09 |
| sneep | > France will guarantee up to 300 billion euros ($335 billion) of bank loans to companies in an effort to bolster firms threatened by the impact of the coronavirus outbreak, President Emmanuel Macron said. | 04:10 |
| sneep | Ah, loans | 04:10 |
| yuriwho | it a good thing I cancelled our plans to visit SF this week back in January | 04:10 |
| haze1 | def | 04:10 |
| LjL | yuriwho, also Germany closed borders, and i think they have some severe restrictions of activity but not sure they went as far as France, didn't really look | 04:10 |
| yuriwho | My sons god mother is there | 04:10 |
| yuriwho | I wish North America would take more action | 04:11 |
| haze1 | give it a week | 04:11 |
| yuriwho | this is gonna be a long expensive and painful experience for all that did not take immediate action before community spread | 04:12 |
| sneep | It seems like every country that's slightly behind the curve starts acting just a bit later than the previous | 04:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Hong Kong to put all visitors on 14-day quarantine → https://is.gd/NWx6j7 | 04:13 |
| yuriwho | I am planning to live at my cottage for the rest of the year, we have about 3-4 months of food | 04:14 |
| sneep | Nice | 04:14 |
| LjL | my local reports are that there are still way too many people who don't care about the lockdown in Milan, and when police are called on them, they say they have no manpower to come check | 04:14 |
| yuriwho | another good friend is doing the same but his wife and daughter are both nurses on the front line, so he is alone | 04:14 |
| sneep | LjL: So the army isn't involved on that front? | 04:15 |
| LjL | sneep, no, although the emergency law allows for it to be | 04:15 |
| LjL | not sure what exactly they're waiting for | 04:16 |
| LjL | N95 masks perhaps | 04:16 |
| yuriwho | my friends son is in the army reserves, he does airport security computer systems so it a family effort for them | 04:17 |
| LjL | yuriwho, also, unless you already have, you may want to skim this https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf it will probably just confirm what you already know though, just with more simulated data | 04:19 |
| xionbox[m] | Do you know if p1000 masks also work? Two friends bought some because they can't get their hands on n95 | 04:20 |
| LjL | i don't know what that standard even means, but, personally, at this point i sort of believe any mask is better than no mask. it's a very personal opinion, possibly unsupported by data, and partly coming from contradictory messages by the WHO and other bodies, which likely meant "leave the masks to medical workers" but instead said other things | 04:21 |
| xionbox[m] | Yeah... at this moment I only have running masks which only prevent against the cold and have massive holes around nose and mouth | 04:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:20 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: all cricket cancelled as NSW government announces $2.3bn stimulus package – latest updates: All cricket cancelled; Queensland Nationals senator Susan McDonald second federal politician after Peter Dutton to test positive; number of cases in Australia now more than 370. Follow all the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 04:24 |
| LjL | xionbox[m], well maybe those won't do | 04:25 |
| LjL | now i kind of want to remove Guardian again | 04:25 |
| LjL | but i'll sleep instead | 04:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:32 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Hong Kong to put all visitors on 14-day quarantine → https://is.gd/NWx6j7 | 04:36 |
| xionbox[m] | Well, I've bought a transparent face visor with some basic disposable surgery masks 🤷♂️ | 04:45 |
| changnick | Too little too late, but I wish you the best of luck | 04:46 |
| xionbox[m] | Yes, true, but thanks | 04:46 |
| danielp3344 | !cases world | 05:00 |
| danielp3344 | !cases Maryland | 05:00 |
| danielp3344 | sounds good to me | 05:00 |
| danielp3344 | gn aoll | 05:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:00 UTC: (news): WHO considers 'airborne precautions' for medical staff after study shows coronavirus can survive in air → https://is.gd/Q6QHyA | 05:12 |
| xionbox[m] | ! cases Hong Kong | 05:16 |
| xionbox[m] | !cases Hong Kong | 05:16 |
| xionbox[m] | Crazy. I was just reading that they have isolated themslves very quickly which totally prevented the spread | 05:17 |
| yuriwho | that is a fascinating article you linked to me earlier LjL | 05:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:08 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: all cricket cancelled as NSW government announces $2.3bn stimulus package – latest updates: All cricket cancelled; Queensland Nationals senator Susan McDonald second federal politician after Peter Dutton to test positive; number of cases in Australia now more than 370. Follow all the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 05:24 |
| twomoon | what is the article yuriwho ? | 05:27 |
| yuriwho | twomoon:https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf | 05:28 |
| twomoon | oh that one | 05:29 |
| twomoon | how can hospitalized cases requiring critical care be higher than symptomatic cases requiring hospitalization? | 05:30 |
| twomoon | wait lemme think about this | 05:30 |
| yuriwho | it’s a percent of a percent | 05:31 |
| twomoon | are the hospitalized cases requiring critical care a fraction of the first column (symptomatic cases requiring hospitalization) ? | 05:31 |
| yuriwho | yes | 05:31 |
| twomoon | oh ok i get it | 05:31 |
| yuriwho | wait till you get to scenarios about distancing policy and outcomes for countries | 05:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:22 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: 375 cases confirmed in Australia as NSW announces $2.3m stimulus package – latest updates: All cricket cancelled; Queensland Nationals senator Susan McDonald second federal politician after Peter Dutton to test positive; number of cases in Australia now more than 370. Follow all the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 05:35 |
| twomoon | yuriwho, what pieces of data stood out to you? | 05:40 |
| yuriwho | how simple policies can have dramatic effects and if stopped the spread begins again. Thus we may be stuck in this new life until a vaccine is developed | 05:41 |
| yuriwho | unless you are willing to sacrifice the elderly and people with co-morbid conditions. Perhaps this is the British strategy..... kill the pensioners and get back to work like normal with younger demographics | 05:42 |
| yuriwho | afk, 30 mins.... on the phone | 05:43 |
| ryouma | it fits with uk policy | 05:43 |
| ryouma | but they are in trouble with the un for doing so | 05:43 |
| ryouma | i'd like to hear about countries that do the right thing | 05:43 |
| ryouma | it's not rocket science to deliver food and medicine to old and comorbid at the very least | 05:44 |
| twomoon | i dunno yuriwho. this paper suggests that a peak in mortality would occur in three months if nothing is done. somehow that seems a bit slow to me | 05:44 |
| twomoon | look how fast cases outside of china have exploded past chinese cases | 05:44 |
| twomoon | yuriwho, the UK idea certainly seemed like a kill-the-pensioners strategy | 05:45 |
| twomoon | it freaked me out | 05:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 04:43 UTC: /u/slakmehl: This report from London appears to be the reason for the dramatic shift in tone both in the White House, and likely also in the UK: 2.2 million deaths without significant action. → https://is.gd/NN4gZs | 05:47 |
| dividediff[m] | There is a vaccine mean tested on humans right now?! https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-16/coronavirus-vaccine-test-opens-as-us-volunteer-gets-1st-shot | 05:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Hong Kong to put all visitors on 14-day quarantine → https://is.gd/NWx6j7 | 05:59 |
| kreyren | Some Czech hotels are giving away food for free including the delivery due to the covid-19 outbreak. O.o | 06:17 |
| ryouma | that's the spirit | 06:18 |
| kreyren | and the delivery ppl are wearing protection gear including the kitchen. | 06:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:03 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: 415 cases confirmed as third federal politician tests positive – latest updates: Liberal senator Andrew Bragg the third federal politician to have Covid-19; NSW announces $2.3bn stimulus package; all cricket cancelled. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 06:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:28 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: NAB's Melbourne office tower evacuated and third federal politician tests positive – latest updates → https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:41 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia must dramatically expand its coronavirus testing regime, leading virologist says → https://is.gd/gHjhXz | 06:58 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data finland | 06:59 |
| Brainstorm | TypeError: message() got an unexpected keyword argument 'separator' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 150, in covid) | 06:59 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %cases finland | 06:59 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In all areas, Finland, there are 278 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 10 recoveries as of March 17, 05:30Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Finland for time series data. | 06:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:07 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Hong Kong to put all visitors on 14-day quarantine → https://is.gd/NWx6j7 | 07:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 06:31 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, mentre eravate via → https://is.gd/gdwUsY | 07:34 |
| MrBrave | %cases world | 07:41 |
| Brainstorm | MrBrave: In all areas, World, there are 183087 cases, 7179 deaths (3.9% of cases), 79900 recoveries as of March 17, 06:32Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data.Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 07:41 |
| xionbox[m] | This is original research, but still an interesting read: New Coronavirus: Why it’s so deadly in Italy https://coronawiki.org/page/new-coronavirus-why-its-so-deadly-in-italy | 07:43 |
| PlanckWalk | Italy's confirmed cases are a microscopic fraction of number of infections. | 07:57 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | Anyone here wears a hazmat in public? | 07:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: NAB's Melbourne office tower evacuated and third federal politician tests positive – latest updates → https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 07:58 |
| PlanckWalk | South Korea's figures likely include the majority of all infections. That's the main difference. | 08:00 |
| PlanckWalk | (And of course in a helth system that didn't collapse) | 08:01 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | It is safe to assume that ALL infections and deaths can be multiplied with 15-30 to get more realistic result | 08:01 |
| ubLIX | and deaths, pale_moon22k[m]? | 08:04 |
| ubLIX | which population are you speculating about? | 08:05 |
| ALWISH | what can we do as a computer science student to help flighting this battle against COVID-19? I really wanted to help. | 08:15 |
| ryouma | folding at home or something like that you can donate or perhaps even help the algorithms? perhaps you can volunteer doing data crunching at a local university? | 08:17 |
| ryouma | if you can teach yourself dna stuff that might be useful | 08:18 |
| ryouma | same with stats | 08:18 |
| ryouma | um, actually idk if it is rna. but you get the idea. | 08:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:17 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Gli Infermieri D'Italia → https://is.gd/xqnj6i | 08:21 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | Anyone here wears a hazmat in public? | 08:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:25 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Hong Kong to put all visitors on 14-day quarantine → https://is.gd/NWx6j7 | 08:33 |
| pingfloyd | ALWISH: there's folding@home | 08:42 |
| PlanckWalk | pale_moon22k[m]: In many cases, multiply by 100-1000 | 08:42 |
| pingfloyd | ALWISH: they're now directing resources to the virus | 08:43 |
| pingfloyd | https://www.hpcwire.com/2020/03/16/foldinghome-turns-its-massive-crowdsourced-computer-network-against-covid-19/ | 08:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: NAB's Melbourne office tower evacuated and third federal politician tests positive – latest updates → https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 08:45 |
| pingfloyd | ALWISH: what aren't they talking more about what the public can do to help | 08:46 |
| JoeLlama | moo | 08:49 |
| ALWISH | thanks | 08:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:51 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Hong Kong to put all visitors on 14-day quarantine → https://is.gd/NWx6j7 | 08:57 |
| kreyren | Students in czech republic are voluntiering for day care of doctor's children due to the covid-19 outbreak. | 09:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:04 UTC: European markets open higher as coronavirus crisis continues; Stoxx 600 up 2.7%: European markets opened higher Tuesday despite the fast-spreading coronavirus shutting down the continent and fueling fears of an impending recession. → https://is.gd/ay9Cy6 | 09:09 |
| Alohomora | %stats spain | 09:13 |
| Brainstorm | RuntimeError: dictionary changed size during iteration (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/info.py", line 389, in stats) | 09:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 08:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK to unveil new financial measures to support economy → https://is.gd/2ioYzK | 09:21 |
| muhammadanasnaee | Some fucker deleted the infographic I shared what an asshole... | 09:22 |
| Biep[m] | Please let's use civil language here.. | 09:24 |
| Biep[m] | %stats Netherlands | 09:25 |
| Brainstorm | Most used commands: watch_for_privmsg (816), watch_for_messages (816), watch_for_backlog (816), science (816), responds (816), quup (816), police (816), mc44 (816), collectlines (816), check (816) | 09:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:20 UTC: Australian economy: Coalition's second multibillion-dollar coronavirus stimulus expected to target businesses and low-income earners → https://is.gd/M5CnhQ | 09:32 |
| jiffe | so I wonder how recoveries are reporting.. there don't seem to be a ton of recoveries in the US | 09:46 |
| jiffe | way more deaths than recoveries rather | 09:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:48 UTC: European markets turn negative amid choppy session; travel stocks down 9%: European markets gave up early gains Tuesday despite the fast-spreading coronavirus shutting down the continent and fueling fears of an impending recession. → https://is.gd/ay9Cy6 | 09:51 |
| mefistofeles | jiffe: yes, recoveries take a while | 09:56 |
| mefistofeles | and are commonly underreported | 09:56 |
| mefistofeles | %data Germany | 09:57 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 7272 cases, 17 deaths (0.2% of cases), 67 recoveries as of March 16, 20:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 09:57 |
| mefistofeles | %data Korea, South | 09:57 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Korea, South, there are 8320 cases, 81 deaths (1.0% of cases), 1401 recoveries as of March 17, 08:49Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Korea,%20South for time series data.Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 5.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 09:57 |
| mefistofeles | incredible, how is Germany having such a low death rate | 09:58 |
| Zalyssa | german resilience | 09:59 |
| kreyren | %stats czech | 09:59 |
| Brainstorm | RuntimeError: dictionary changed size during iteration (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/info.py", line 389, in stats) | 09:59 |
| Zalyssa | lol | 09:59 |
| kreyren | PYTHOn | 09:59 |
| univibe | looooool | 09:59 |
| mefistofeles | %cases czech | 09:59 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Czechia, there are 383 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 3 recoveries as of March 17, 08:49Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Czechia for time series data. | 09:59 |
| Zalyssa | someone isn't properly handling their data | 09:59 |
| mefistofeles | stats isn't really the command for this, fwiw | 10:00 |
| kreyren | Zalyssa, how much better can you handle the data https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19 | 10:00 |
| kreyren | :p | 10:00 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data denmark | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In all areas, Denmark, there are 914 cases, 4 deaths (0.4% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 17, 08:49Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Denmark for time series data. | 10:01 |
| Zalyssa | %data Taiwan | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | Zalyssa: In all areas, Taiwan, there are 67 cases, 1 deaths (1.5% of cases), 20 recoveries as of March 17, 08:49Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Taiwan for time series data.Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 4.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 10:01 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | %cases madagascar | 10:03 |
| Brainstorm | Tangent-Man[m]: Sorry, madagascar not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 10:03 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | * %cases uk | 10:03 |
| skullomania | all those safety freaks who built bunkers under their houses and hoarded canned goods must be so happy right now | 10:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:55 UTC: European markets whipsaw as coronavirus crisis continues; travel stocks down 10%: European markets gave up early gains Tuesday despite the fast-spreading coronavirus shutting down the continent and fueling fears of an impending recession. → https://is.gd/ay9Cy6 | 10:03 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | Taiwan is doing good it seems | 10:04 |
| mefistofeles | pale_moon22k[m]: yes, they had this system since last SARS, apparently paying off | 10:04 |
| mefistofeles | s/had/have | 10:04 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles meant to say: pale_moon22k[m]: yes, they have this system since last SARS, apparently paying off | 10:04 |
| mefistofeles | %data Singapore | 10:05 |
| Brainstorm | TypeError: message() got an unexpected keyword argument 'separator' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 150, in covid) | 10:05 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Singapore | 10:05 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Singapore, there are 243 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 109 recoveries as of March 16, 14:38Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Singapore for time series data. | 10:05 |
| Zalyssa | taiwan is best china | 10:05 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | mefistofeles: Any resources where I can learn more about Taiwan's system? | 10:07 |
| mefistofeles | pale_moon22k[m]: yes, one second | 10:08 |
| mefistofeles | pale_moon22k[m]: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689?guestAccessKey=2a3c6994-9e10-4a0b-9f32-cc2fb55b61a5&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=030320 | 10:10 |
| mefistofeles | %title | 10:10 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles, the URL could not be loaded | 10:10 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 10:10 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | https://web.archive.org/web/20200315004109/https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689 | 10:12 |
| JulHer[m] | %data Spain | 10:21 |
| Brainstorm | JulHer[m]: In all areas, Spain, there are 9942 cases, 342 deaths (3.4% of cases), 530 recoveries as of March 16, 20:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 10:21 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data ireland | 10:22 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In all areas, Ireland, there are 223 cases, 2 deaths (0.9% of cases), 5 recoveries as of March 17, 02:53Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ireland for time series data. | 10:22 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data mexico | 10:23 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In all areas, Mexico, there are 82 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 4 recoveries as of March 17, 09:14Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mexico for time series data. | 10:23 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data new york | 10:23 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In New York, US, there are 967 cases, 10 deaths (1.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 17, 00:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 10:23 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data texas | 10:24 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In Texas, US, there are 85 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 17, 00:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 10:24 |
| bung[m] | #data Turkey | 10:26 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data syria | 10:27 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: Sorry, syria not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 10:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:21 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, Zaia: "Andremo col camper a fare il tampone a tutti" - la Repubblica → https://is.gd/hbCxG3 | 10:27 |
| bung[m] | %data Turkey | 10:28 |
| Brainstorm | bung[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 47 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 17, 02:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 10:28 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data pakistan | 10:29 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In all areas, Pakistan, there are 194 cases, 1 deaths (0.5% of cases), 2 recoveries as of March 17, 09:14Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Pakistan for time series data. | 10:29 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data india | 10:30 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In all areas, India, there are 126 cases, 3 deaths (2.4% of cases), 13 recoveries as of March 17, 09:14Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 10:30 |
| Tangent-Man[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1912&v=b3w8gu9S3lo&feature=emb_logo | 10:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:23 UTC: Boris Johnson chairs cabinet as Rishi Sunak set to announce coronavirus financial rescue package - politics live: Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including Rishi Sunak at the government’s daily coronavirus press conference and MPs questioning the government’s chief [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/FVFz2P | 10:39 |
| dividediff[m] | At 4 degrees C, infectious virus persisted for as long as 28 days, | 10:40 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | How about like -20 C? | 10:41 |
| dividediff[m] | inactivation and RH was not monotonic, and there was greater survival or a greater protective effect at low RH (20%) and high RH (80%) than at moderate RH (50%) | 10:41 |
| dividediff[m] | pale_moon22k: virus were inactivated more rapidly at 40 degrees C than at 20 degrees C | 10:43 |
| dividediff[m] | It seems They didn’t test below 4c | 10:43 |
| dividediff[m] | What does the mean?: “Two potential surrogates were evaluated in this study; transmissible gastroenteritis virus (TGEV) and mouse hepatitis virus (MHV) were used to determine effects of AT and RH on the survival of coronaviruses on stainless steel” | 10:44 |
| dividediff[m] | Cite: https://europepmc.org/article/pmc/pmc2863430 | 10:45 |
| dividediff[m] | * Two potential surrogates were evaluated in this study; transmissible gastroenteritis virus (TGEV) and mouse hepatitis virus (MHV) were used to determine effects of AT and RH on the survival of coronaviruses on stainless steel” | 10:46 |
| ALT_F4 | Good morning everyone | 10:46 |
| dividediff[m] | Hi | 10:47 |
| dividediff[m] | One dog in China contracted a "low-level infection" from its owner, | 10:48 |
| dividediff[m] | no evidence suggests that the animal could infect humans. | 10:49 |
| dividediff[m] | Researchers have yet to find any evidence that vitamin C supplements can render people immune to COVID-19 | 10:50 |
| skullomania | vitamin c only provides a boost to your immune system | 10:50 |
| skullomania | it doesn't cure anything | 10:50 |
| ALT_F4 | Vit c does nothing | 10:50 |
| skullomania | like the common cold, vit c, magnesium, vit b12 | 10:50 |
| skullomania | zinc | 10:51 |
| skullomania | these will all boost your immune system | 10:51 |
| ALT_F4 | Concerned today, i'm on annual leave, spending it at home. - Partner called to say 5 people have been isolated. | 10:51 |
| ALT_F4 | I think today will be tipping point in the UK. | 10:51 |
| ALT_F4 | Has anyone seen the video of the brits in spain? Makes you slightly embarrassed to be from the UK. | 10:52 |
| dividediff[m] | skullomania: any idea about zinc and Corona? | 10:52 |
| skullomania | dividediff[m] zinc and phosphorus will only boost your immune system | 10:53 |
| dividediff[m] | ALT_F4: i’ve been wondering about quitting work. What’s the vid of the brits? | 10:53 |
| skullomania | theyre actually very good for older men too because they boost your testosterone levels | 10:53 |
| dividediff[m] | skullomania: wow you scared that oldguy away ha! | 10:54 |
| dividediff[m] | [The user] | 10:55 |
| skullomania | i provided him with valuable info tho | 10:55 |
| ALT_F4 | @dividediff - https://twitter.com/RTUKnews/status/1239584711346769920 | 10:55 |
| dividediff[m] | skullomania: but is zincs boost relevant to corona? | 10:55 |
| ALT_F4 | Happy St. Patricks day to you all also! | 10:56 |
| skullomania | dividediff[m] i have no clue my friend | 10:56 |
| eleklytr[m] | What is actually good to boost immune system? | 10:56 |
| skullomania | vit c, magnesium, vit b6/2/12 | 10:57 |
| skullomania | zinc and phosphorus | 10:57 |
| dividediff[m] | ALT_F4: We have those kind of ignorant people in Canada to unfortunately | 10:57 |
| ALT_F4 | How stupid can they get. | 10:57 |
| ALT_F4 | The problem is, the UK gov are asking people to isolate without enforcement. And we have people like this. Idiots. | 10:57 |
| skullomania | eleklytr[m] it's better to get all of these from foods instead of supplements | 10:58 |
| dividediff[m] | eleklytr: Vitamin D, eight hours of sleep | 10:58 |
| eleklytr[m] | <skullomania "vit c, magnesium, vit b6/2/12"> skullomania: thanks | 10:58 |
| skullomania | but if you can't, supplements are the next best thing | 10:58 |
| skullomania | yeah vitamin d too | 10:58 |
| eleklytr[m] | food is getting short in my region here | 10:58 |
| skullomania | only temporarily | 10:58 |
| skullomania | they will restock | 10:58 |
| dividediff[m] | eleklytr: What country? | 10:58 |
| eleklytr[m] | de-de | 10:59 |
| ALT_F4 | On the upside, My foldingathome.org update. - My GPU has just started folding project 14401 which is a SAES-CoV-2 protease potential drug target task. | 10:59 |
| dividediff[m] | eleklytr: What’s that? | 10:59 |
| dividediff[m] | Another study I’m looking at about humidity says Corona doesn’t like 50 and above | 11:00 |
| skullomania | why is everyone so freaked out about | 11:00 |
| skullomania | what* | 11:00 |
| eleklytr[m] | <dividediff[m] "eleklytr: What’s that?"> Germany | 11:00 |
| skullomania | death? | 11:00 |
| skullomania | we all die someday | 11:00 |
| skullomania | if it happens, it happens | 11:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ at 09:46 UTC: Covid-19: ibuprofen should not be used for managing symptoms, say doctors and scientists: Scientists and senior doctors have backed claims by France’s health minister that people showing symptoms of covid-19 should use paracetamol (acetaminophen) rather than ibuprofen, a drug they said... → https://is.gd/a1Q3WC | 11:03 |
| eleklytr[m] | skullomania:thats the spirit | 11:03 |
| dividediff[m] | Warm and humid regions are still being affected strongly by corona, so more research is needed about humidity | 11:04 |
| skullomania | eleklytr[m] thanks, everyone thinks theyre gonna last forever | 11:04 |
| dividediff[m] | skullomania: yodo you only die once | 11:04 |
| dividediff[m] | skullomania: I think the concern is about not dying from corona in 2020. | 11:05 |
| astraliam[m] | https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf | 11:08 |
| astraliam[m] | Does everyone believe this? | 11:08 |
| azy | skullomania, i feel the same. it's an unpopular opinion | 11:09 |
| astraliam[m] | !cases italy | 11:09 |
| eleklytr[m] | !cases germany | 11:09 |
| jae49[m] | %data US | 11:10 |
| Brainstorm | TypeError: message() got an unexpected keyword argument 'separator' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 150, in covid) | 11:10 |
| jae49[m] | !cases US | 11:11 |
| skullomania | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8116147/Coronavirus-bankrupt-nearly-worlds-airlines-matter-WEEKS-aviation-experts-say.html | 11:11 |
| dividediff[m] | astraliam: The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package – or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission – will need to be maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) | 11:13 |
| dividediff[m] | I had Headcanon suggesting this so I believe this | 11:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 10:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK to unveil new financial measures to support economy → https://is.gd/2ioYzK | 11:14 |
| ALT_F4 | Gotta love our Dutch community. Out stockpiling weed this morning. https://twitter.com/hausofIau/status/1239239961288851456 | 11:14 |
| dividediff[m] | !cases Vietnam | 11:16 |
| dividediff[m] | I’ve seen a sauce saying Vietnam has 1000 cases. | 11:17 |
| dividediff[m] | !cases Canada | 11:18 |
| dividediff[m] | Seems like Canada has had a four times increase in deaths In the past 12 hours | 11:20 |
| dividediff[m] | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/graph/png/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Canada/0/445c4b64bb885235cc5364d1db2ccd2a953b35e2.png | 11:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:18 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Giuseppe Conte su Twitter: "159 anni fa veniva proclamata l’Unità d’Italia. Da allora il nostro Paese ha affrontato mille difficoltà, guerre mondiali, il regime fascista. Ma gli italiani, con orgoglio e determinazione, hanno sempre saputo rialzarsi e ripartire. A testa alta." → https://is.gd/bJwElw | 11:26 |
| dividediff[m] | Cannabis sales have been up | 11:27 |
| dividediff[m] | Public health is hard pressed to pick up the phones here | 11:30 |
| dividediff[m] | Internet slow for anybody else? | 11:32 |
| ALT_F4 | There are apparently three separate companies managing the NHS111 phone number in the UK | 11:32 |
| ALT_F4 | and they are struggling to keep up with demand, this is why they are encouraging website use. | 11:32 |
| dividediff[m] | ALT_F4: It is 111 UK’s emergency number? | 11:32 |
| ALT_F4 | No, 999 is our emergency number. | 11:32 |
| dividediff[m] | What’s 111? | 11:33 |
| ALT_F4 | 111 is basically a national health service number. You can speak to an adviser rather than going to your GP. | 11:33 |
| ALT_F4 | But they are hosting the NHS111 coronavirus service | 11:33 |
| ALT_F4 | https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/nhs-services/urgent-and-emergency-care/nhs-111/ | 11:33 |
| dividediff[m] | We have one of those two, but we don’t have a three digit shortcut for it. It’s generally under used hereDuring non-corona | 11:34 |
| ALT_F4 | Dividediff, how do I do the greentext replies? | 11:35 |
| ALT_F4 | Seeing a lot of ibuprofen related comments on social media this morning. Anyone else see this? | 11:36 |
| ALT_F4 | This is not my post, but it quotes "I have a doctor in the family who has been given information from Vienna’s laboratory studying COVID-19 and vast majority of people who died of it, had ibuprofen in their system so do not take it!! Those who recovered did not take ibuprofen so if you have symptoms, take Paracetamol only!!! Looks like this virus thrives on ibuprofen so don’t do it and tell everyone you can!!!" | 11:37 |
| ALT_F4 | Not sure if it's misinformation or not. | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:28 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live: NAB's Melbourne office tower evacuated and third federal politician tests positive to coronavirus – latest updates → https://is.gd/T7ZqNR | 11:38 |
| ubLIX | ALT_F4: we will likely find out more in the fullness of time. For now, caution recommends paracetamol. | 11:38 |
| ALT_F4 | Cool. | 11:39 |
| ALT_F4 | Thanks | 11:39 |
| ubLIX | some people will be taking ibuprofen for other reasons, and will need to speak to their doctor, if concerned | 11:39 |
| ubLIX | ALT_F4: taking you quote absent context and very literally, you might see a selection effect in the mortality described. People who died have had a more severe course of illness and are more likely to have taken analgesics; those who shook off the infection are less likely to have relied on ibuprofen to do so. | 11:42 |
| ALT_F4 | Yes | 11:43 |
| ALT_F4 | I've seen this post eight times this morning. | 11:43 |
| ubLIX | but yes, that NSAIDs such as ibuprofen interact with systemic inflammation certainly seems to make them a subject of particular interest | 11:44 |
| ubLIX | excuse me, gtg | 11:44 |
| farn | ALT_F4: Why not quickly google before spreading it? https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/16/coronavirus-fake-news-pandemic-133447 | 11:44 |
| ALT_F4 | Sorry, mentioned in my comment that it wasn't my post. | 11:45 |
| dividediff[m] | ALT_F4: figured out the green text replies? | 11:49 |
| dividediff[m] | I saw something about nsaids making corona worse on this room | 11:49 |
| azbycx | https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext#coronavirus-linkback-header | 11:49 |
| dividediff[m] | Here news alert avoid ibuprophen, aspirin and other NSAIDS: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/anti-inflammatory-drugs-may-aggravate-coronavirus-infection | 11:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 10:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK to unveil new financial measures to support economy → https://is.gd/2ioYzK | 11:50 |
| farn | ALT_F4: Still, it's a lie and easily verified to be a lie. "Vienna's laboratory" never said anything like that. We'll see a lot of those over the next months and we should do our best not to propagate them. | 11:54 |
| farn | It's certainly possible that Ibuprofen has adverse effects but let's stick with reliable sources instead of hysterical posts on social media. | 11:54 |
| dividediff[m] | Is corona a plague? | 12:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:59 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Nuove misure su chi rientra in italia → https://is.gd/fx6yT9 | 12:02 |
| dividediff[m] | atm it's not a plague | 12:04 |
| farn | using what definition? | 12:04 |
| dividediff[m] | I searched and some website said plague has to be bacteria based | 12:05 |
| dividediff[m] | jan 22 2020; "Plague Inc. -- where players evolve a pathogen to wipe out humanity -- is now China's top paid iOS game." | 12:08 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | How's everyone feeling this mornin? | 12:10 |
| bung[m] | +koronatr@matrix.org | 12:10 |
| ALT_F4 | Not too bad. | 12:11 |
| eleklytr[m] | v0idkr4ft: oh fine, but a bit nervous | 12:11 |
| bung[m] | https//+koronatr@matrix.org | 12:11 |
| ALT_F4 | Concerned about other half. No symptoms but she works in a school, and a few there have gone into isolation. | 12:11 |
| dividediff[m] | v0idkr4ft: slpy, chronic pain woke me up | 12:11 |
| dividediff[m] | ALT_F4: they haven't closed schools in uk? | 12:12 |
| ALT_F4 | No still open | 12:12 |
| dividediff[m] | v0idkr4ft: you? | 12:12 |
| ALT_F4 | The PM is doing daily television briefings. | 12:12 |
| dividediff[m] | ALT_F4: when is march break? | 12:12 |
| ALT_F4 | None in March, due in April | 12:13 |
| ALT_F4 | 6th - 12th | 12:13 |
| dividediff[m] | !cases uk | 12:13 |
| dividediff[m] | !cases united kingdom | 12:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 11:07 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK to unveil new financial measures to support economy → https://is.gd/2ioYzK | 12:14 |
| ALT_F4 | Businesses are angry because the PM has essentially said to avoid pubs and other entertainment/social gathering spaces. But because it hasn't been enforced, the businesses cannot put in insurance claims. | 12:14 |
| bung[m] | !cases Turkey | 12:14 |
| ALT_F4 | Hopefully this briefing today will ease them | 12:14 |
| ALT_F4 | Just sitting at home feeling confused, St. Patricks day today, I would have been at the pub an hour ago. A friend is contemplating going tonight, but I think it's a bad idea. | 12:15 |
| dividediff[m] | ALT_F4: i thought uk is being hammered right now, less than france. | 12:15 |
| ALT_F4 | Situation is not 100% clear, as they are not testing everyone. | 12:16 |
| bung[m] | https://koronatr.matrix.org | 12:16 |
| bung[m] | https://+koronatr.matrix.org | 12:16 |
| dividediff[m] | ALT_F4: either boris is crazy, or a genius. Schools are closed here for 2 additional wks, so march break is month long i think | 12:18 |
| ALT_F4 | I'm trying not to have an opinion on Boris at the moment, he has never aligned with my political affiliation, so there will be natural bias. I will just see how it plays out. | 12:19 |
| contingo | %cases uk | 12:19 |
| Brainstorm | TypeError: message() got an unexpected keyword argument 'separator' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 150, in covid) | 12:19 |
| dividediff[m] | contingo: use ! | 12:20 |
| dividediff[m] | i think | 12:20 |
| dividediff[m] | Which other western countries still have schools open? | 12:21 |
| dividediff[m] | Like with regular hrs and days | 12:21 |
| dividediff[m] | Looking at daily cases, it looks like globally it's not rising as fast! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NCoV20200209_Hubei_China_ROW_cases.png | 12:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:21 UTC: (news): Nordstrom is closing all US stores because of coronavirus, withdraws 2020 outlook → https://is.gd/jplAqx | 12:26 |
| ALT_F4 | Laura Ashley is the first major retailer in the UK to file for administration, citing coronavirus as the cause. | 12:30 |
| contingo | Laura! | 12:36 |
| dunnp | whats new today? | 12:38 |
| Strantrickt[m] | %data Ankara | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | TypeError: message() got an unexpected keyword argument 'separator' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 150, in covid) | 12:40 |
| eleklytr[m] | !cases italy | 12:42 |
| Poon_ | %data sweden | 12:47 |
| Brainstorm | Poon_: In all areas, Sweden, there are 1125 cases, 7 deaths (0.6% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 17, 11:29Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sweden for time series data. | 12:47 |
| Poon_ | %data vietnam | 12:47 |
| Brainstorm | Poon_: In all areas, Vietnam, there are 61 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 16 recoveries as of March 16, 14:53Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vietnam for time series data. | 12:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:36 UTC: (news): Oil prices could hit 'the teens' in coming weeks as markets crater over coronavirus and price war → https://is.gd/ZqP1qV | 12:49 |
| dividediff[m] | ALT_F4: Uk got 152 new cases in past 24 hrs | 12:49 |
| ALT_F4 | wow! | 12:51 |
| heigre[m] | !cases norway | 12:54 |
| dunnp | looks like Italy is leveling off | 12:57 |
| dividediff[m] | Canada got 100 new cases in the past 24hrs, which is a 33% increase. #savethesyrup | 13:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:50 UTC: CBI tells MPs hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk if government does not provide proper coronavirus support – politics live: Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including Rishi Sunak at the government’s daily coronavirus press conference and MPs questioning the government’s [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/FVFz2P | 13:01 |
| dividediff[m] | dunnp: i'm not sure about leveling off, but growth is slowing | 13:01 |
| python476 | o/ | 13:01 |
| dunnp | 368 then 340 | 13:04 |
| dunnp | if anything going down a bit | 13:04 |
| dunnp | maybe just an anomaly we'll see | 13:04 |
| dividediff[m] | dunnp: are these deaths? | 13:05 |
| dunnp | new cases | 13:05 |
| dunnp | ah wait maybe that is deaths | 13:05 |
| dunnp | :/ | 13:05 |
| dividediff[m] | I see that italy got 3233 new cases in past 24 hrs | 13:05 |
| dividediff[m] | my source; https://covid19tracker.cc/ | 13:05 |
| dunnp | yea and 3590 the day before | 13:06 |
| dividediff[m] | it might be recent deaths | 13:06 |
| dunnp | yea must be | 13:06 |
| dividediff[m] | yea so the growth is slowing, theyve hopefully past peak corona | 13:06 |
| dividediff[m] | #peakCorona should be a hashtag | 13:07 |
| mefistofeles | https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTi-g18ftNZUMRAj2SwRPodtscFio7bJ7GdNgbJAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub stock up in chloroquine :P | 13:07 |
| dunnp | can you buy it anywhere mefistofeles? | 13:08 |
| mefistofeles | it seems to be fairly easy to get, but depends on country reulations, probably | 13:08 |
| mefistofeles | also UK seem to know this since the 26th of feb | 13:09 |
| dividediff[m] | John Legend is doing a livestream concert tdy at 1pm Pacific time to support the #togetherathome movement | 13:09 |
| dividediff[m] | mefistofeles: nice find! | 13:09 |
| dividediff[m] | dunnp: rumor has it, that you can trade toliet paper for some ha | 13:09 |
| dunnp | heh | 13:10 |
| dividediff[m] | Madagascar, which is yet to register a case of coronavirus banning all cruise ships from docking in their harbours. | 13:11 |
| dividediff[m] | I should have been born in mada! | 13:11 |
| dividediff[m] | "An estimated 17.9% of those infected with coronavirus will remain asymptomatic for the duration of the infection" | 13:12 |
| dunnp | maybe we should just up our gin and tonic intake | 13:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:09 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/5CoYXq | 13:13 |
| dividediff[m] | dunnp: maybe thats why patricks party-goers are going out | 13:13 |
| mefistofeles | on a related note: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2117-z | 13:14 |
| dividediff[m] | Ciclesonide may help https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200303_20/ | 13:17 |
| pwr22 | > <@dividediff:matrix.org> Madagascar, which is yet to register a case of coronavirus banning all cruise ships from docking in their harbours. | 13:19 |
| pwr22 | > I should have been born in mada! | 13:19 |
| pwr22 | It's probably possible to paradrop in! | 13:19 |
| dividediff[m] | chloroquine may be effective and safe in treating COVID-19 associated pneumonia | 13:20 |
| python476 | old news https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1239697605606682626 | 13:20 |
| dividediff[m] | remdesivir and lopinavir/ritonavir, seemed to have "fairly good inhibitory effects" | 13:20 |
| dividediff[m] | Peter Roberts: planes too | 13:21 |
| ALT_F4 | I have seen a document that mentions chloroquine and remdesivir at work. | 13:21 |
| pwr22 | Who said anything about landing a plane 😉 | 13:21 |
| ALT_F4 | It also mentioned Thalidomide | 13:21 |
| dividediff[m] | ALT_F4: what's your occupation? | 13:22 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: got a source for "An estimated 17.9% of those infected with coronavirus will remain asymptomatic for the duration of the infection"? | 13:23 |
| ALT_F4 | NHS, non-clinical | 13:23 |
| skullomania | what is the nhs going to do for you at this point | 13:23 |
| skullomania | except put you in quarantine | 13:23 |
| skullomania | there is no cure, youre either strong enough to survive it or it consumes you | 13:23 |
| skullomania | either way you end up with permanent lung damage | 13:24 |
| ALT_F4 | It would ICU admission primarily. | 13:24 |
| dividediff[m] | skullomania: drop of 20% to 30% in lung capacity in two to three of around a dozen people who recovered from the disease." | 13:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:20 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Iran frees prisoners; Macron says 'we are at war': As of Tuesday, more than 183,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported across the globe, resulting in at least 7,167 deaths. → https://is.gd/J4eoGn | 13:25 |
| skullomania | yep | 13:25 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: yea 1 s | 13:25 |
| skullomania | they suggest picking up a wind instrument | 13:25 |
| pwr22 | <skullomania "either way you end up with perma"> That's not a concern most people need to worry about | 13:25 |
| pwr22 | <dividediff[m] "skullomania: drop of 20% to 30% "> Give it time to recover | 13:25 |
| pwr22 | I take months to get over a chest problem fully | 13:25 |
| pwr22 | Unless I'm super fit | 13:26 |
| skullomania | and even then | 13:26 |
| skullomania | youre left with permanent scarring | 13:26 |
| ubLIX | skullomania: let's restrict ourselves conclusions for which we have had enough time for confidence | 13:26 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.10.2000180#html_fulltext | 13:26 |
| skullomania | at least vaccine trials have begun | 13:26 |
| skullomania | ubLIX this is what doctors are saying not me | 13:27 |
| ubLIX | *to conclusions | 13:27 |
| skullomania | it's not a matter of opinion at this point | 13:27 |
| ubLIX | "doctors are saying" is not generally considered an example of good referencing | 13:27 |
| dividediff[m] | skullomania: wind instrument as like physio? | 13:27 |
| ALT_F4 | Believe me, doctors can still have opinions. | 13:27 |
| ALT_F4 | Stupid ones | 13:27 |
| skullomania | dividediff[m] a wind musical instrument | 13:27 |
| skullomania | they tend to increase your lung capacity over time | 13:28 |
| GeDaMo | What do you call someone who graduates from medical college with the lowest possible score? You call them doctor | 13:28 |
| ALT_F4 | Leaving the house to pick up some prescriptions. Wish me luck! Ciao | 13:28 |
| skullomania | don't touch your face | 13:28 |
| skullomania | and stay away from people | 13:28 |
| skullomania | that's all | 13:28 |
| ubLIX | ty dividediff[m] | 13:28 |
| ALT_F4 | Got gloves :) | 13:28 |
| ALT_F4 | Talk later | 13:29 |
| GeDaMo | Don't lick anything :| | 13:29 |
| dividediff[m] | GeDaMo: what if they get highest grade? | 13:29 |
| skullomania | don't pet any dogs or cats for that matter | 13:29 |
| dividediff[m] | "Canada announces it will exclusively import COVID-19 from US" | 13:32 |
| mefistofeles | for vaccine? | 13:32 |
| ubLIX | no, the virus, i believe | 13:32 |
| ubLIX | they have closed borders except ground border with US | 13:33 |
| ubLIX | tis a pun | 13:33 |
| python476 | dividediff[m]: theonion | 13:34 |
| skullomania | i'm not in canada rn even tho im canadians, trudeau has sounded the alarms but im not risking travel at this point | 13:34 |
| skullomania | canadian* | 13:34 |
| python476 | can we organize a political meeting | 13:35 |
| python476 | and send erdogan putin trump kju mbs there | 13:35 |
| python476 | with a big audience of highly infected people ? | 13:35 |
| skullomania | erdogan is not nearly as bad as those two | 13:35 |
| skullomania | maybe send mbs and netanyahu with them | 13:36 |
| skullomania | and all the royal saudi family for that matter | 13:36 |
| python476 | i'm open for suggestions :) | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:25 UTC: (news): Nordstrom is closing all US stores because of coronavirus, withdraws 2020 outlook → https://is.gd/jplAqx | 13:37 |
| Timvde | The Netherlands is also going for herd immunity | 13:38 |
| Timvde | (Like the UK) | 13:38 |
| python476 | hold on | 13:38 |
| python476 | uk is not herding | 13:38 |
| Timvde | That's what I understood | 13:41 |
| Timvde | But please do correct me if I'm wrong | 13:41 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: yea a parody | 13:41 |
| python476 | Timvde: i'm not sure but UK/BJ talk yesterday seemed to be "intermediate lockdown please" | 13:42 |
| dividediff[m] | i heard russia is doing very well for avoiding covid | 13:42 |
| python476 | they're cleaning it with petrol | 13:43 |
| Timvde | dividediff[m]: Are they, or are they not doing very well in testing/reporting? | 13:44 |
| DmitryMarkov[m] | petrol were used during bird flu in some regions of russia | 13:44 |
| dividediff[m] | Timvde: since it's russia, almost certainly the corruption option | 13:45 |
| GeDaMo | https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2020/03/photos-large-scale-disinfection-efforts-against-coronavirus/607810/ | 13:45 |
| python476 | covid , corruption .. vidruption | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:42 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Iran frees prisoners; Macron says 'we are at war': As of Tuesday, more than 183,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported across the globe, resulting in at least 7,167 deaths. → https://is.gd/J4eoGn | 13:49 |
| python476 | interesting gallery GeDaMo | 13:49 |
| GeDaMo | Nothing like that happening around here | 13:49 |
| dividediff[m] | Ontario premier announced a state of emergency | 13:50 |
| python476 | GeDaMo: I was ashamed to say the same | 13:52 |
| python476 | honestly I think I'd have been happy to see some public sanitation efforts | 13:52 |
| python476 | ala SK | 13:52 |
| GeDaMo | \I haven't been out today but most people were acting as normal yesterday | 13:53 |
| python476 | i'm ashamed to see so many birds still outside.. they don't read the news ? | 13:54 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 13:54 |
| skullomania | the skies have never been cleaner since the dawns of the industrial revolution | 13:55 |
| python476 | skullomania: greta-thunberg-evil-plan.jpg | 13:56 |
| skullomania | the same way thanos is evil | 13:56 |
| skullomania | which is very far from the truth | 13:56 |
| pwr22 | <python476 "skullomania: greta-thunberg-evil"> Maybe she was patient zero? | 13:56 |
| skullomania | doubt greta would drink bat balls soup | 13:57 |
| pwr22 | She'd do anything to sav e the environment | 13:57 |
| python476 | pwr22: patient -1 | 13:57 |
| pwr22 | Arrays start at zero | 13:58 |
| GeDaMo | The reduction of global dimming may accelerate global warming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming#Relationship_to_global_warming | 13:58 |
| skullomania | nah only older chinese men would eat that filth in hopes of increasing libido and give long time to wifey | 13:58 |
| python476 | pwr22: so I just said greta will be the last patient #python | 13:58 |
| pwr22 | Huh, not a fan of the casual racism there 🤔 | 13:58 |
| skullomania | how is it racist to point out facts | 13:59 |
| pwr22 | <python476 "Peter Roberts: so I just said gr"> Ah | 13:59 |
| skullomania | what has caused all this if not for retarded cultures? | 13:59 |
| skullomania | same thing with sars and mers | 13:59 |
| skullomania | you have bats stacked on top of chicken stacked on top of dogs stacked on top of godknows what | 13:59 |
| skullomania | defecating on each other | 14:00 |
| pwr22 | <skullomania "nah only older chinese men would"> I'm not going to explain why this isn't a friendly comment 🤦♂️ | 14:00 |
| azy | give examples of other races/cultures doing this | 14:00 |
| skullomania | chinese is notoriously known for importing exotic animals | 14:00 |
| python476 | i'm still surprised how many viruses came from china | 14:00 |
| skullomania | to eat them and gain their powers | 14:00 |
| python476 | india has highly unhygienic poverty regions too | 14:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:54 UTC: Britons advised to avoid any non-essential travel abroad for next 30 days – politics live: Rolling coverage of the day’s political developments as they happen, including Rishi Sunak at the government’s daily coronavirus press conference and MPs questioning the government’s chief scientific adviser → https://is.gd/FVFz2P | 14:00 |
| python476 | yet no outset | 14:00 |
| skullomania | yeah india is worse | 14:00 |
| pwr22 | I don't disagree, I don't like the tone you made the comment in | 14:01 |
| skullomania | no regulation either | 14:01 |
| dividediff[m] | Pandemic sim Plague Inc. pulled from Chinese app stores feb 27 | 14:01 |
| python476 | yeah but even in history, china has always been linked to virus spread | 14:01 |
| skullomania | i'm not sorry facts upset you pwr22 | 14:01 |
| azy | i cant think of any wacky shit white people do, but im immersed in them so i probably wouldnt be able to see it | 14:01 |
| python476 | clearly hindouism is doing something right :cough: | 14:01 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: I suggest not to feed it, fwiw | 14:02 |
| python476 | azy: most white people live in place with sanitized running water | 14:02 |
| python476 | this makes a lot of problems easier | 14:02 |
| skullomania | true white people were responsible for the mad cow disease | 14:02 |
| contingo | tropical africa I think just as much | 14:02 |
| skullomania | but it was swiftly and promptly controlled | 14:02 |
| python476 | contingo: most of it yeah but there are still places without proper sewage | 14:02 |
| python476 | not that I'm criticizing | 14:03 |
| azy | i mean, what equivalents do white people have in this area? white women love psychic medium nonsense, but i cant think of any weird shit we consume for health | 14:03 |
| python476 | just stating, when you live with good infrastructure, you avoid tons of problems | 14:03 |
| skullomania | azy essential oils | 14:03 |
| skullomania | but theyve never killed anyone | 14:03 |
| azy | crystals, essential oils, mediums | 14:03 |
| skullomania | also the anti-vaccine movement | 14:03 |
| skullomania | which is widely white | 14:03 |
| azy | the oil out of a cod's liver seems strange to me | 14:04 |
| azy | thats widely supplemented | 14:04 |
| python476 | skullomania: good point | 14:04 |
| azy | as far as supplements go | 14:04 |
| knigitz | python476 every nation is having a problem controlling the spread of the virus, let's not pretend that chinese are somehow worse in hygene than any other country. | 14:04 |
| azy | anti vaccine is kinda the opposite direction to eating wacky shit | 14:04 |
| knigitz | the virus came from a bat, not a dirty human. | 14:04 |
| knigitz | fwiw | 14:05 |
| python476 | knigitz: i wasnt talking about this and not talking about responsibilities either | 14:05 |
| azy | a dirty human murdering bats | 14:05 |
| python476 | more like biology/climate curiosity | 14:05 |
| azy | the issue is messing with weird shit in the first place, not _not_ containing it after it's out | 14:05 |
| knigitz | none of the things you are talking about make people immune to a virus that comes from a bat though. | 14:06 |
| azy | veganism makes you immune | 14:06 |
| skullomania | pwr22 i don't hate the chinese or think less of them than any other race but fact is if it wasnt for a culture that glorifies exotic foods and novelty products to increase libido and life like tiger testicles or w/e we wouldnt be in this mess | 14:06 |
| azy | i.e. you dont eat weird animals to begin with | 14:06 |
| azy | grow some potatoes instead or something | 14:06 |
| knigitz | is that a china only problem though? | 14:07 |
| skullomania | it isnt | 14:07 |
| python476 | skullomania: that's a bit nonsensical, exotic food is what grows in china.. | 14:07 |
| skullomania | a lot of cultures have filthy habits that need to go away | 14:07 |
| python476 | it's like bread for me | 14:07 |
| skullomania | mers came from eating camels probably kept in unsanitary conditions | 14:08 |
| knigitz | we have people in the US eating swamp critters. | 14:08 |
| azy | like gators? | 14:08 |
| python476 | that's why i'm for nuclear plants, radiation makes us all equals :cough: | 14:08 |
| spybert | skullomania: Remember that some European subcultures, suchas the the modern French or ancient Romans, were/are just as bad as the Chinese when it comes to eating weird foods. | 14:08 |
| python476 | if you want to criticize china, talk about the lack of funding for bruce lee first movies ! | 14:09 |
| skullomania | spybert but they've since adapted with laws and regulations to meet health standards and more importantly they respect and follow them | 14:09 |
| skullomania | spybert example: in most western countries theyve banned muslims from killing goats at home and for a very good reason | 14:11 |
| spybert | skullomania: That's a recent thing though. In the past the Europeans actually had an advantage over others from smallpox immunity, that they got from keeping livestock. This helped them conquer the Americas with great ease | 14:11 |
| python476 | heh | 14:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:09 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Iran frees prisoners; Macron says 'we are at war': As of Tuesday, more than 183,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported across the globe, resulting in at least 7,167 deaths. → https://is.gd/J4eoGn | 14:12 |
| python476 | old downstair neighbor texted me, laptop borked | 14:13 |
| python476 | should I take her laptop out without going in, fix it, install teamviewer then sanitize it ? | 14:14 |
| Abandoned | tell her to sanitize her hands, then laptop and then give it to you.. you sanitize it again | 14:16 |
| Abandoned | that way you will reduce the possibility of getting the virus | 14:16 |
| python476 | she's the 80yo I'm more concerned about giving it to her :) | 14:18 |
| python476 | but yeah | 14:18 |
| flux1 | perhaps not insist on it. if the she doesn't have a good way to sanitize it, water may become involved 🤔 | 14:23 |
| dividediff[m] | " WHO reiterates call for coronavirus patients not to take ibuprofen " https://www.dailysabah.com/life/health/who-reiterates-call-for-coronavirus-patients-not-to-take-ibuprofen | 14:27 |
| python476 | ha | 14:28 |
| python476 | [fun] side effects of covid confinement: everybody is renovating their home now, making a new epidemic of noise pollution and related murders | 14:29 |
| python476 | UEFA Euro 2020 reported. life is over | 14:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson released from hospital, oil prices could hit teens → https://is.gd/J4eoGn | 14:48 |
| bin_bash | %cases portugal | 14:52 |
| Brainstorm | TypeError: message() got an unexpected keyword argument 'separator' (file "/home/brainstorm/brainstorm/bot/modules/covid.py", line 150, in covid) | 14:52 |
| bin_bash | nice | 14:52 |
| bin_bash | whose bot is it | 14:52 |
| GeDaMo | !cases portugal | 14:53 |
| bin_bash | ew a notice? | 14:53 |
| bin_bash | also it would be great if there was a link to the source | 14:54 |
| GeDaMo | I think it's coming from John Hopkins https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19 | 14:55 |
| bin_bash | ah thanks | 14:56 |
| GeDaMo | https://github.com/pwr22/covbot | 14:56 |
| pwr22 | !cases source | 15:02 |
| pwr22 | GeDaMo: | 15:02 |
| pwr22 | Woops | 15:02 |
| GeDaMo | pwr22: yeah, it was bin_bash asking | 15:02 |
| pwr22 | !source | 15:03 |
| pwr22 | bin_bash: /\ | 15:04 |
| pwr22 | GeDaMo: I'm going to pull those UK stats from the CSVs today. Feel free to raise issues suggesting further data sources with more granularity | 15:04 |
| pwr22 | I'm seeing people trying very specific queries for where they are etc | 15:04 |
| pwr22 | And the dataset from JHU has become very course | 15:04 |
| bin_bash | thanks pwr22 :) | 15:08 |
| darsie | My flat mate works in a nursery. No kids there, but employees still have to go to work. They were playing cards! My flat mate stayed away from them and doc declared her sick because of high blood pressure (high risk group). | 15:29 |
| python476 | think about it | 15:31 |
| python476 | how long since so many people were not working at the same time on the whole planet | 15:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson released from hospital, Mulvaney self-quarantines → https://is.gd/J4eoGn | 15:47 |
| pwr22 | Criminal | 15:48 |
| python476 | salt based therapy trials running in florida https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZamrmTMs6w | 15:53 |
| LjL | %cases world | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, World, there are 189586 cases, 7516 deaths (4.0% of cases), 80893 recoveries as of March 17, 14:49Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data.Mortality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 15:57 |
| dividediff[m] | My local rep called me back and said they'd consider my request, tot call your representatives if you country is dropping the ball folks! | 15:58 |
| dividediff[m] | <python476 "[fun] side effects of covid conf"> Ohh thats what that hammering is! I was wondering whats been going on | 16:00 |
| dividediff[m] | <python476 "how long since so many people we"> 08 recession? | 16:02 |
| python476 | dividediff[m]: i was joking | 16:03 |
| dividediff[m] | florida beaches are nuts atm | 16:03 |
| python476 | sorry message crossing | 16:03 |
| python476 | matrix bridging is hard :) | 16:03 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: you were joking, but my neighbor isn't ha | 16:03 |
| dividediff[m] | for the first time since the corona got started, i'm happy to announce canada is finally taking meanful significant steps ! | 16:05 |
| mefistofeles | hopefully they will pay off | 16:05 |
| dividediff[m] | I just got of the phone with a friend, even though he's in poor health, he's gonna go hangout at a mall anyway. rip. | 16:06 |
| dividediff[m] | So far i have still not talked to anyone in person who is taking corona srsly. | 16:06 |
| ubLIX | same. was just in queue at grocery shop. 130 year old women behind me standing 45mm away | 16:06 |
| dividediff[m] | Actually... 1 person is taking it srsly who i know irl | 16:07 |
| mefistofeles | dividediff[m]: "taking it seriously" is pretty subjective, fwiw | 16:07 |
| JsonJuri[m] | Same here have many say, it's just a flu. | 16:07 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: she gotta smell your shampoo tho | 16:07 |
| ubLIX | lol | 16:08 |
| ubLIX | every young person i've spoken to: "i'm not worried. it doesn't affect young people" :| | 16:08 |
| ggz | hi | 16:08 |
| iomonad | that sucks | 16:09 |
| yuriwho | 20-29 year olds are the most highly infected group | 16:09 |
| ggz | yuriwho: really ? | 16:09 |
| ubLIX | just because most sociable, do you think? | 16:09 |
| ubLIX | ggz, certainly from South Korea's data, that seems to be the case, yes | 16:10 |
| dividediff[m] | I've wondered what youngings are planning. Like their parents are 'old' and they can transmit to their parents? Maybe they plan to not see their parents? | 16:10 |
| dividediff[m] | hi | 16:10 |
| yuriwho | ggz according to Korean data | 16:10 |
| yuriwho | they are the once with the best surveillance data, they are doing large scale random testing | 16:11 |
| ubLIX | yuriwho: how far is that data skewed by the outbreak in their cult, though? | 16:11 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: did the data say why thats the case? | 16:11 |
| yuriwho | just showed SARS-CoV-2 +ve by age bracket | 16:12 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: sensior high schoolers must be more sociable, but i guess maybe their parents are grounding them for safety | 16:12 |
| python476 | ubLIX: and killing elders will reduce retirement fund taxes #yay | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 15:08 UTC: Coronavirus: All non-urgent operations in England postponed: The emergency measure will free up at least 30,000 beds to help the NHS to tackle coronavirus. → https://is.gd/bW59td | 16:12 |
| yuriwho | here’s my source https://twitter.com/markwby/status/1238867143363567616 | 16:14 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: but i'd guess senior high schoolers socialise mainly with.. senior high schoolers; the 20-29 group socialise with themselves, and perhaps a variety of ages either side of their group; greater exposure possibly | 16:14 |
| dividediff[m] | Is the conspiracy theory that corona is allowed to spread to kill of the old actually a viable economic strategy? Like the amount of life support that would get pumped into a sick person would be expensive. Plus it would infect working age ppl by accident resulting in less tax revenue from them. | 16:14 |
| yuriwho | doc idediff[m]:UK policy IMO | 16:15 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: I think i figured it out, 20-29s can travel more freely. But still haven't exactly established that they are mortal | 16:15 |
| yuriwho | sorry meant to highlight dividediff[m] | 16:15 |
| ggz | dividediff[m]: keeping old people or killing them, this will cost money and earn money, the real question is from who to who | 16:16 |
| yuriwho | and most of them just get normal cold/flu symptoms & ignore it | 16:16 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: mhm. after 30, more people are married and more socially grounded | 16:17 |
| dividediff[m] | "A whole lot of 20-29yos out there who feel just fine but are v contagious." | 16:17 |
| dividediff[m] | not good | 16:17 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: the data set incls italy | 16:17 |
| ggz | how can you be very contagious if you don't cough ? | 16:18 |
| python476 | 2020 most played game https://i.redd.it/2hkhqeqpw7n41.jpg | 16:18 |
| dividediff[m] | ggz: this is a good question! | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:18 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Coronavirus: David Clark vows to deport tourists flouting self-isolation requirements | RNZ News → https://is.gd/LEG8Ca | 16:19 |
| yuriwho | dividediff[m]:they include Italy to show how different the results are of mass surveillance testing vs. self reporting for testing | 16:20 |
| ubLIX | ggz: virus shedding occurs during normal breathing too; and surfaces: touch your face then touch an ATM, cash, any shared surface, then... | 16:20 |
| Albright | python476: That is both a great idea and kind of sad. | 16:20 |
| ggz | ubLIX: thx | 16:20 |
| python476 | Albright: why sad ? | 16:21 |
| python476 | I like the cost / effect ratio | 16:21 |
| ubLIX | ggz: surely you have notice the entire world going nuts telling everyone to wash their hands? to stop surface to face transmission | 16:21 |
| Albright | python476: I don't know how to put it into words. It's just… enforcing loneliness or something like that. | 16:22 |
| python476 | Albright: oh ok, you're in an emo-poetic mood | 16:22 |
| yuriwho | For me, wearing gloves stops me from touching my face | 16:22 |
| Albright | Yeah; | 16:22 |
| python476 | Albright: I wont show you the empty zoo with freed penguins walking in it then | 16:22 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: Theoretically: say one showers then touches their forehead then measure checks to see if virus came off their forehead, Could a virus be found? | 16:23 |
| iz | yuriwho: you mean you realize you have the gloves on and just don't do it? | 16:23 |
| ggz | i was not worried a few days ago but now that everything is closing and police arrest you in streets, it feel a bit dystopian | 16:23 |
| Albright | I live near a busy road, so I was actually thinking of painting up a big piece of cardboard with something like "Stay calm! We'll get through this together!" or something like that and stand by the side of the road like a hobo. | 16:23 |
| Albright | But maybe I don't want that much attention after all. | 16:23 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: almost anything is possible theoretically. if someone sneezed on your forehead, and you used a shower to wash it off, you could theoretically wash virus into your nose and mouth | 16:24 |
| yuriwho | iz , I am a research chemist/biologist, if I have gloves on I expect them to be contaminated with chemicals and or biohazards | 16:24 |
| ggz | i see agressivity level rise on people not staying home, talking about shooting them | 16:24 |
| iz | yuriwho: yeah, that makes sense | 16:24 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 US: +470 cases (now 5243), +1 deaths (now 94) 🔸 Norway: +1 cases (now 1438) 🔸 Sri Lanka: +1 cases (now 44) 🔸 Switzerland: +2 cases (now 2674) 🔸 United Kingdom: +1 deaths (now 56) | 16:24 |
| dividediff[m] | ggz: after your country gets over peak corona, things will start to calm down a lil | 16:24 |
| python476 | ggz: nothing surprising | 16:25 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: hmm, but the virus does not get shed through our skin right? | 16:25 |
| iz | day 1 of shelter in place in san fran | 16:25 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: hm. good question. i'd guess, not this virus. but i don't know | 16:26 |
| ggz | dividediff[m]: seems to me it need 3 or 4 month to reach peak | 16:26 |
| iz | went grocery shopping early this morning, and it wasn't crazy but it was full of ppl and most canned goods were sold out or like.. just low fat/low sodium versions left | 16:26 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: post the penguin gif plz | 16:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:23 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: US cases cross over 5,000 → https://is.gd/AbZIDl | 16:26 |
| dividediff[m] | ggz: i think italy will hit peak faster | 16:27 |
| python476 | dividediff[m]: https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fk32me/penguins_openly_explore_aquarium_closed_due_to/ | 16:27 |
| LjL | i won't be able to transcribe today's press conference in italy, at least not in realtime | 16:28 |
| LjL | yuriwho, you already are conditioned to behave in certain ways. i feel it's almost futile to train people "not to touch their faces" or things like those when everyone is already so stressed as the threat is already present. | 16:29 |
| LjL | i guess that "almost" may make it worth it anyway | 16:30 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: i was trying to reference the penguins from madagascar with the emojis, but couldn't find enough. Looks fun for them! | 16:30 |
| berndj | yuriwho, do labs have a scratch post for maddening face itches? | 16:31 |
| LjL | berndj, you take a lab mouse and put it on your face | 16:31 |
| LjL | or a bat, if that's what you're working with. can't go wrong with that | 16:32 |
| python476 | dividediff[m]: i dont know how they feel | 16:32 |
| python476 | confused mostly | 16:32 |
| LjL | ubLIX, kreyren: the bot is fixed (probably), turns out that "sep" and "separator" are not the same word | 16:33 |
| dividediff[m] | python476: definitely a lil confused, but looks like theyre exploring | 16:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:32 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The UEFA Euro 2020 Football Championship has been postponed to 2021. → https://is.gd/niGfJ9 | 16:33 |
| ubLIX | LjL: you mean python executes what you say, not what you mean? pff | 16:34 |
| LjL | ubLIX, not sure it does either tbh | 16:34 |
| LjL | at least not when too many threads are running | 16:34 |
| ubLIX | non-deterministic code! keeps you on your toes | 16:35 |
| bin_bash | lolol | 16:35 |
| LjL | i still don't know whether the automatic update printouts are going to work, anyway, i changed those too | 16:36 |
| dividediff[m] | yuriwho: is toronto's public venues still busy? | 16:36 |
| yuriwho | pretty quiet | 16:37 |
| LjL | will see in a while, so far it's only registering +1 in norway and +1 in sri lanka (uh oh?) which doesn't make it print anything out for sure | 16:37 |
| LjL | %cases sri lanka | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +1012 cases (now 190171), +11 deaths (now 7518), +417 recoveries (now 80893) 🔸 Brazil: +20 cases (now 321) 🔸 Bulgaria: +14 cases (now 81) 🔸 Canada: +9 cases (now 449) 🔸 Ecuador: +53 cases (now 111) 🔸 Iceland: +5 cases (now 225) 🔸 India: +5 cases (now 142) 🔸 Japan: +2 cases (now 878) 🔸 Lithuania: +1 cases (now 22) [... want %more?] | 16:37 |
| LjL | uh, or maybe i'm wrong | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Sri Lanka, there are 44 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 17, 15:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sri%20Lanka for time series data. | 16:37 |
| LjL | i really need to make it sort them though | 16:37 |
| LjL | %more | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, [...] 🔸 Norway: +1 cases (now 1438) 🔸 Slovenia: +2 cases (now 275) 🔸 Sri Lanka: +1 cases (now 44) 🔸 Switzerland: +2 cases (now 2674) 🔸 Connecticut, US: +11 cases (now 41) 🔸 Florida, US: +5 cases (now 160) 🔸 Hawaii, US: +1 cases (now 8) 🔸 Maryland, US: +1 cases (now 42) 🔸 Michigan, US: +1 cases (now 54) [...] → https://paste.ee/p/jaoFt | 16:37 |
| dividediff[m] | facial hair makes no difference to corona unless u wear masks | 16:38 |
| LjL | except it doesn't add up even if i sort them | 16:38 |
| bin_bash | dividediff[m]: it also collects nastiness | 16:39 |
| ubLIX | LjL: xionbox[m] linked this yesterday - https://coronawiki.org/page/new-coronavirus-why-its-so-deadly-in-italy - have you seen it already, and the site more generally? | 16:39 |
| iz | or unless you are constantly touching your facial hair | 16:39 |
| yuriwho | LjL: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763188 | 16:39 |
| yuriwho | %title | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho, the URL could not be loaded | 16:39 |
| LjL | ubLIX, no and also no | 16:40 |
| dividediff[m] | iz: i guess it depends where the facial hair is. Touching a neck beard shouldn't harm much | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:38 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Stati Uniti e Economia → https://is.gd/mEQ9YP | 16:40 |
| LjL | Publicly available data indicate that ICU admissions (n = 556) represented 16% of all patients (n = 3420) who tested positive for COVID-19. | 16:40 |
| LjL | good grief | 16:40 |
| yuriwho | scary huh | 16:41 |
| LjL | The proportion of ICU admissions represents 12% of the total positive cases, and 16% of all hospitalized patients. This rate is higher than what was reported from China, where only 5% of patients who tested positive for COVID-19 required ICU admission.2,4 There could be different explanations. It is possible that criteria for ICU admission were different between the countries, but this seems unlikely. Another explanation is that the Italian population is | 16:42 |
| LjL | different from the Chinese population, with predisposing factors such as race, age, and comorbidities.5 | 16:42 |
| jiffe | this is kind of a solemn st patricks day | 16:42 |
| LjL | why do we get numbers that are 10% in every press conference? | 16:42 |
| iz | yeah, location would matter | 16:42 |
| LjL | 10% is not 16% or 12% | 16:42 |
| jiffe | wonder if we can scare the coronaviruses from the land | 16:42 |
| dividediff[m] | jiffe: this recent weekend was pretty bumping with parties | 16:44 |
| dividediff[m] | corona droplets must enter through the eyes, nose or mouth to infect | 16:47 |
| LjL | ubLIX, also very uplifting | 16:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:43 UTC: NBCU, ViacomCBS, Walt Disney Television and other media companies will run new coronavirus PSAs: The Ad Council says it's working with the White House, the CDC and other groups to show public service ads across major media platforms that discuss social distancing, personal hygiene and mental health in response to the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/FTWbEM | 16:47 |
| LjL | i changed the bot's automatic updates to provide the possibility for %more and hence a pastebin but now i can't figure out who had asked for that | 16:48 |
| LjL | Biep[m], you, apparently | 16:48 |
| LjL | i thought it would be someone in the ticker room, but i guess not | 16:48 |
| covid-20 | there's a news in Japanese talking about China used Favipiravir for 200 patients and saw an improvements | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:47 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New York cases surge, Fed announces funding moves: As of Tuesday, more than 183,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported across the globe, resulting in at least 7,167 deaths. → https://is.gd/J4eoGn | 16:54 |
| dividediff[m] | Have any pet stores closed in your folk's countries? | 16:55 |
| sneep | dunno | 16:56 |
| jiffe | sounds like US testing has increased a lot this week, NY is now reporting almost double what they were reporting yesterday | 16:57 |
| sneep | https://www.forbes.com/sites/baldwin/2020/03/14/ventilator-maker-we-can-ramp-up-production-five-fold/#59c9fb65e9a5 | 16:57 |
| LjL | ubLIX, yuriwho: i'm thinking maybe the (currently) much worse fatality rate for Italy vs, not China or Korea, but also Germany and France, may be due to a much higher proportion not just of older people in Italy, but specifically of older people who still live with their grown up children. it's been like this for a long time, and i don't think it's reflected in other countries, even European ones, except maybe Spain (which is also spiking up fast) | 16:57 |
| sneep | > Kiple estimates that worldwide production capacity is in the range of 40,000 to 50,000 units a year, but some of this output is of machines not suitable for intensive care units. | 16:58 |
| LjL | sneep, i suspect the definition of "suitable" has a fair amount of wiggle room now | 16:59 |
| LjL | sneep, we're allowing production of face masks in Italy that don't bear the CE mark now | 16:59 |
| sneep | Yeah, robably | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:59 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Confirmed cases in New York State have more than doubled in one day to 1700 as more testing capacity comes online. The hospitalization rate for confirmed cases is 19%. Current projections show that New York State has only a small fraction of the ICU beds that it is expected to need during the peak [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/en2R19 | 17:01 |
| sneep | %more | 17:02 |
| Brainstorm | sneep, [...] of the outbreak. → https://paste.ee/p/puJal | 17:02 |
| sneep | Hmm, maybe there are cases where it's more useful! :p | 17:03 |
| skyofdust | Why have issues that are way more lethal than covid19 not been given the importance? | 17:03 |
| mefistofeles | skyofdust: because they probably are not looding the health system as covid is, or they are not happening as fast, which are related things | 17:03 |
| mefistofeles | *flooding | 17:03 |
| sneep | skyofdust: Which issues? | 17:03 |
| skyofdust | idk, alcohol, tobacco, pollution, warmongering, anything that kills a lot of people yearly. | 17:04 |
| sneep | Those issues receive a lot of attention too | 17:05 |
| skyofdust | Yeah but not action. | 17:05 |
| azy | because were stupid as fuck skyofdust | 17:05 |
| covid-20 | has this been posted? China used Avigan for 240 patients and found that effective. | 17:05 |
| covid-20 | https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200317_48/ | 17:05 |
| skyofdust | I don't see the banning of alcohol and tobacco like public gatherings have. | 17:06 |
| azy | skyofdust, that would be anti-freedom. | 17:06 |
| sneep | covid-20: Sounds great | 17:06 |
| ubLIX | skyofdust: all of your examples involved multi-billion dollar industries; as does covid-19, but in covid's case the money is in stopping it, not selling it | 17:07 |
| sneep | skyofdust: Not sure about alcohol but tobacco use appears to be going down albeit slowly | 17:07 |
| mefistofeles | covid-20: there are also reports con chloroquine working, fwiw | 17:07 |
| mefistofeles | *on | 17:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:03 UTC: Gov. Cuomo says New York City will not be quarantined: 'It cannot happen': New York City will not be quarantined, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Tuesday, as cities and states ramp up efforts to curb the spread of the new coronavirus. → https://is.gd/ODXYt4 | 17:08 |
| skyofdust | It's bullshit, they don't care about people dying then. | 17:08 |
| bin_bash | quarantining the city would cause mass-panic, riots, and death | 17:08 |
| sneep | bin_bash: Doubt it | 17:08 |
| bin_bash | do you live there?> | 17:08 |
| sneep | No | 17:09 |
| bin_bash | then you don't know | 17:09 |
| fructose | bin_bash: Doesn't make your bullshit correct | 17:09 |
| sneep | We haven't seen any riots in other quarantined areas | 17:09 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +528 cases (now 190699), +12 deaths (now 7530), +12 recoveries (now 80905) 🔶 Germany: +504 cases (now 8588), +3 deaths (now 23) 🔸 Brazil: +20 cases (now 321) 🔸 Bulgaria: +14 cases (now 81) 🔸 Canada: +9 cases (now 449), +1 deaths (now 5) 🔸 Croatia: +1 recoveries (now 5) 🔸 Ecuador: +53 cases (now 111) 🔸 Iceland: +5 cases (now 225) [... want %more?] | 17:09 |
| sneep | Does mass panic even exist? | 17:09 |
| sneep | Except when there's a fire or something | 17:10 |
| bin_bash | i grew up just outside the city, family still lives there. many friends in the city and in the direct suburbs. in order to quarantine the city you would have to shut down all bridges, tunnels, highways in/out of the city | 17:10 |
| mefistofeles | sneep: Italian prisons had many riots, fwiw | 17:10 |
| bin_bash | hell even during 9/11 that didn't happen because of the issues it would cause | 17:10 |
| sneep | Ah yeah, the prisons | 17:10 |
| skullomania | a client of mine is in jail, he's been calling non stop driving me nuts | 17:10 |
| mefistofeles | and deads because of them | 17:10 |
| mefistofeles | *deaths | 17:10 |
| bin_bash | the majority of people work in the city but dont live there. the quarantine would cause mass exodus and would entirely defeat the purpose.... see what happened in italy as an example. | 17:10 |
| sneep | skyofdust: Are you his lawyer :p | 17:10 |
| skullomania | and i cant even go out to visit him, he doesnt seem to understand this | 17:10 |
| ubLIX | skullomania: you are a lawyer? | 17:10 |
| skullomania | yes | 17:11 |
| mefistofeles | bin_bash: happened in Wuhan as well, fwiw | 17:11 |
| mefistofeles | better outcome there, also | 17:11 |
| bin_bash | mefistofeles: yep | 17:11 |
| berndj | what's so different about germany? where are all the deaths? | 17:11 |
| skullomania | i mean i feel sorry for him and i sympathize | 17:11 |
| skullomania | but wtf can i do? | 17:11 |
| azy | put some money on his account | 17:11 |
| sneep | Tell him he'll most likely be fine | 17:11 |
| skullomania | the situation in prison isnt good | 17:11 |
| skullomania | but they have tight health control | 17:11 |
| skullomania | theyre not going to let them die | 17:11 |
| mefistofeles | berndj: there are many ICUs per habitant in Germany, that MAY be a reason, but I guess it's still too soon to know | 17:11 |
| mefistofeles | it may just be that people infected in Germany are younger, for whatever reason | 17:12 |
| mefistofeles | which actually could be the case, since there are very few critical cases, last time I heard | 17:12 |
| berndj | are they doing significantly more (random) testing than their neighbours? | 17:12 |
| skullomania | his court date is the 23rd and i cant make it any sooner | 17:12 |
| skullomania | hopefully he will last until then | 17:12 |
| mefistofeles | berndj: I don't think so | 17:12 |
| ubLIX | skullomania: you seem more nihilistic than I would expect a lawyer to be. | 17:13 |
| LjL | Went to pharmacy, empty, eery | 17:13 |
| sneep | Everything sold out? | 17:14 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: bought some ibuprophen? xD | 17:14 |
| LjL | Hard to give money and take the things cause you have to stay behind a bar drawn on the floor | 17:14 |
| sneep | Great now I forgot how to spell it too | 17:14 |
| LjL | sneep: no | 17:14 |
| bin_bash | tbh whether people will die depends on where it is. the shitty private prisons in the deep south will have a lot of deaths. the prisons with a lot of visibility will have fewer. | 17:14 |
| skullomania | ubLIX appearances can be deceiving and im not a nihilist, i do think life is worth something | 17:14 |
| LjL | mefistofeles: certainly bought some paracetamol before | 17:14 |
| sneep | Ah you mean, empty as in no customers? | 17:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:11 UTC: (news): New York state coronavirus cases soar to about 1,700, hospitalizing 19% → https://is.gd/wSkonK | 17:15 |
| bin_bash | violent criminals should not be released, but non-violent offenders should be released with monitoring imo | 17:15 |
| bin_bash | certainly a logisitical nightmare though | 17:15 |
| ubLIX | skullomania: your life, or others' lives? | 17:15 |
| LjL | sneep: yes, partly because it's work hours I guess | 17:15 |
| bin_bash | skullomania: fwiw i havent seen you say anything nihilistic | 17:15 |
| LjL | sneep: I was expecting to have to stay outside at least for a few minutes though | 17:15 |
| skullomania | ubLIX decent, innocent people's lives | 17:15 |
| sneep | There was a news story that I saw yesterday that said that paracetamol may be slightly better than ibuprofen for covid | 17:15 |
| skullomania | thanks bin_bash <3 | 17:15 |
| berndj | and how come india seems to be getting off so lightly? | 17:15 |
| bin_bash | you're realistic and pragmatic, both admirable. | 17:15 |
| LjL | sneep: well I certainly read stories of ibuprofen being bad | 17:16 |
| LjL | Anyway I always used just paracetamol | 17:16 |
| LjL | An empty tram | 17:16 |
| mefistofeles | paracetamol = acetaminophen, right | 17:16 |
| mefistofeles | ? | 17:16 |
| bin_bash | the reality is that you cant just release every prisoner, and lawyers can't put themselves at risk by entering high-risk environments. so much is unknown with transmission and time in the air, that allowing lawyers in would actually compromise the inmates as well | 17:16 |
| sneep | meyes | 17:16 |
| bin_bash | mefistofeles: yep | 17:16 |
| orgg | just switch to heroin | 17:16 |
| sneep | mefistofeles: yes* | 17:16 |
| dTal | ibuprofen suppresses inflammation, which can relieve various symptoms but slows healing (since that is what inflammation is for) | 17:16 |
| LjL | mefistofeles: yes that's the European name | 17:16 |
| bin_bash | ^5 skullomania :) | 17:16 |
| skullomania | bin_bash true, courts are closed for a good reason | 17:17 |
| bin_bash | exactly | 17:17 |
| skullomania | except urgent matters obviously | 17:17 |
| bin_bash | release low-level non-violent offenders, but in that instance we'd have a huge run on ankle monitors. damned if you do, damned if you dont. get rid of low level drug offenses etc | 17:17 |
| orgg | at least there would be more drugs around | 17:17 |
| bin_bash | lol | 17:18 |
| ubLIX | skullomania: but you might not be impervious to déformation professionnelle | 17:18 |
| bin_bash | actually that could make the spread worse. | 17:18 |
| Arlaerion[m] | %data austria | 17:18 |
| Brainstorm | Arlaerion[m]: In all areas, Austria, there are 1332 cases, 4 deaths (0.3% of cases), 8 recoveries as of March 17, 16:04Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria for time series data. | 17:18 |
| bin_bash | only 5 more to be leet | 17:18 |
| bin_bash | %data mexico | 17:18 |
| Brainstorm | bin_bash: In all areas, Mexico, there are 82 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 4 recoveries as of March 17, 10:53Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mexico for time series data. | 17:18 |
| bin_bash | %data canada | 17:18 |
| Brainstorm | bin_bash: In all areas, Canada, there are 449 cases, 5 deaths (1.1% of cases), 11 recoveries as of March 17, 16:04Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. | 17:18 |
| bin_bash | %data venezuela | 17:19 |
| Brainstorm | bin_bash: In all areas, Venezuela, there are 33 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 17, 16:04Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Venezuela for time series data. | 17:19 |
| bin_bash | lol yeah right | 17:19 |
| ubLIX | skullomania: but the thing that made me think about nihilism was your thoughts that orbited your expression of "what's the big deal about death. you have to die sometime" which i though was a little insensitive for the moment | 17:19 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +178 cases (now 190877), +3 recoveries (now 80908) 🔸 Brazil: +20 cases (now 321) 🔸 Bulgaria: +14 cases (now 81) 🔸 Canada: +9 cases (now 449), +1 deaths (now 5) 🔸 Ontario, Canada: +8 cases (now 185) 🔸 Croatia: +1 recoveries (now 5) 🔸 Denmark: +17 cases (now 977) 🔸 Ecuador: +53 cases (now 111) 🔸 Germany: +16 cases (now 8604) [... want %more?] | 17:20 |
| bin_bash | oh i didnt see that comment | 17:20 |
| skullomania | ubLIX why is it insensitive to come to terms with your own death? | 17:20 |
| ubLIX | it is not, but under the circumstances i think that is beside the point | 17:20 |
| orgg | not even taxes are certain anymore... but living and dying are. | 17:20 |
| skullomania | death is a natural process everyone has to go through, i never understood why is it such a taboo subject | 17:20 |
| ubLIX | pandemics are a natural process we all have to go through, so fuck it, i guess | 17:21 |
| skullomania | our ancestors did | 17:21 |
| skullomania | why should we be an exception :) | 17:21 |
| bin_bash | i dont want my loved ones to die | 17:21 |
| skullomania | i don't want my loved ones to suffer | 17:21 |
| mefistofeles | bin_bash: they are imaginary don't worry | 17:21 |
| ubLIX | because we can make ourselves an exception. that is why | 17:22 |
| skullomania | oh..burn | 17:22 |
| bin_bash | wait so i came from a laboratory?! | 17:22 |
| bin_bash | neat | 17:22 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:24 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New York cases surge, Fed announces funding moves: As of Tuesday, more than 183,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported across the globe, resulting in at least 7,167 deaths. → https://is.gd/J4eoGn | 17:27 |
| mefistofeles | %cases New York | 17:27 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In New York, US, there are 967 cases, 10 deaths (1.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 17, 00:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 17:27 |
| mefistofeles | %cases USA | 17:29 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, US, there are 5266 cases, 94 deaths (1.8% of cases), 74 recoveries as of March 17, 16:17Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 17:29 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +371 cases (now 191248), +3 deaths (now 7533) 🔶 US: +375 cases (now 5636), +1 deaths (now 95) 🔸 Brazil: +20 cases (now 321) 🔸 Bulgaria: +14 cases (now 81) 🔸 Canada: +9 cases (now 449), +1 deaths (now 5) 🔸 Ontario, Canada: +8 cases (now 185) 🔸 Croatia: +1 recoveries (now 5) 🔸 Denmark: +17 cases (now 977) 🔸 Ecuador: +53 cases (now 111) [... want %more?] | 17:35 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Seattle | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: Sorry, Seattle not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 17:35 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Washington | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In Washington, US, there are 904 cases, 48 deaths (5.3% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 17, 00:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 17:35 |
| mefistofeles | woah | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Mnuchin says Americans 'need cash now,' Poland closes border → https://is.gd/J4eoGn | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:47 UTC: (news): New York state coronavirus cases soar to about 1,700, hospitalizing 19% → https://is.gd/wSkonK | 17:50 |
| sneep | https://www.opentable.com/state-of-industry Restaurant reservation statistics for various countries over the last few weeks | 17:54 |
| xionbox[m] | The US is looking at giving everyone a thousand dollars a month and pushing back the tax payment deadline: https://cnn.it/2QnvtNG | 17:56 |
| sneep | everyone or just US citizens? | 17:57 |
| exoteric | lol dumb question tbh | 18:00 |
| sneep | It's called a joke | 18:00 |
| exoteric | oh that's what that was | 18:00 |
| sneep | And xionbox[m] was supposed to answer to complete th[4~e joke :p | 18:00 |
| sneep | I guess Matrix users don't have a sense of humor! | 18:01 |
| xionbox[m] | Haha I wish it were everyeon! | 18:01 |
| xionbox[m] | (Sorry for the delay, I'm in a meeting :-P) | 18:01 |
| xionbox[m] | It'll probably be only US citizens, and maybe permanent residents? | 18:02 |
| xionbox[m] | That was Andrew Yang's proposal during the democratic compaign | 18:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:55 UTC: How to buy and set up the right monitor for your laptop so you can work more comfortably at home: If you're stuck working from home due to coronavirus, you'll probably want a monitor to connect to your laptop, so you don't have to do all your work on a tiny screen. Here's how to choose one and set it up. → https://is.gd/pxFYWH | 18:03 |
| danielp3344 | I'm working on my self driving car again | 18:04 |
| danielp3344 | since I have nothing better to do | 18:04 |
| danielp3344 | amusingly the original car was scrapped but I have tons of recorded data and all the old code to mess with | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +106 cases (now 191354), +18 deaths (now 7551) 🔸 Bangladesh: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Brazil: +20 cases (now 321) 🔸 Bulgaria: +14 cases (now 81) 🔸 Canada: +9 cases (now 449), +1 deaths (now 5) 🔸 Ontario, Canada: +8 cases (now 185), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔸 Croatia: +2 cases (now 67), +1 recoveries (now 5) 🔸 Cyprus: +3 cases (now 49) [... want %more?] | 18:05 |
| xionbox[m] | Daniel Peterson: Do you use Comma.ai or your own thing? | 18:05 |
| danielp3344 | xionbox: lol, the only libraries I've used so far are opencv and darknet | 18:06 |
| danielp3344 | Although I have basically no functionality yet | 18:07 |
| danielp3344 | lane detection is #### hard | 18:07 |
| xionbox[m] | Ha, I'm not surprised. Are you based in Europe? | 18:09 |
| danielp3344 | nah, USA | 18:09 |
| danielp3344 | Do they still have cars in europe? | 18:09 |
| danielp3344 | :P | 18:09 |
| pwr22 | Anyone know what time the UK conference is? | 18:10 |
| mefistofeles | pwr22: it should be happening now, I guess | 18:10 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: italian press conf? | 18:10 |
| _io_ | hehe. it happens. | 18:12 |
| _io_ | preoccupied | 18:12 |
| xionbox[m] | US gov says we might only see whether the curve of new cases is flattening only in several weeks (45 days is the quoted number): https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-17-20-intl-hnk/h_e04c7485b709135886c3ff809d5d8bf3 | 18:13 |
| pwr22 | UK cov is going to give 330 billion GBP of loans | 18:13 |
| pwr22 | * UK gov is going to give 330 billion GBP of loans | 18:14 |
| pwr22 | To businesses | 18:14 |
| pwr22 | I feel like this could cause the P2P lending market to collapse.... tempted to pull out all of my money from that | 18:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:13 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Aggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 17 Marzo → https://is.gd/OhGNLr | 18:14 |
| Biep[m] | <python476 "clearly hindouism is doing somet"> Be careful with that cough! | 18:15 |
| xionbox[m] | Peter Roberts: what's the P2P market? | 18:15 |
| pwr22 | ratesetter, zopa, funding circle etc | 18:15 |
| xionbox[m] | Oh person to person? | 18:15 |
| pwr22 | or peer to peer yeah | 18:16 |
| xionbox[m] | Ok | 18:18 |
| xionbox[m] | I don't follow: why do you think the P2P loan market will collapse if the UK gov is proposing 330B GBP ? | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +3560 cases (now 194914), +347 deaths (now 7898), +196 recoveries (now 81104) 🔶 Veneto, Italy: +231 cases (now 2704), +11 deaths (now 80), +6 recoveries (now 136) 🔶 Toscana, Italy: +187 cases (now 1053), +3 deaths (now 17), +1 recoveries (now 12) 🔶 Puglia, Italy: +110 cases (now 340), +2 deaths (now 18) [... want %more?] | 18:20 |
| Biep[m] | <LjL "Biep, you, apparently"> I *am* in the ticker room. I was the first there - but that room resolves the need for the %more command.. 🤔 | 18:21 |
| mefistofeles | so many ambulances passing by around here | 18:24 |
| X-Scale | https://i.imgur.com/H3uiBML.png | 18:25 |
| xionbox[m] | mefistofeles: where is "here?" | 18:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:25 UTC: /u/slakmehl: In retaliation for US limits on Chinese journalists enacted weeks ago, and in defense of it's own propaganda efforts, China bans journalists from the United States' most highly regarded newspapers, including New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Washington Post. They have 10 days to leave. → https://is.gd/pmy1dL | 18:26 |
| python476 | hoi back | 18:30 |
| jae49[m] | %cases Florida | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | jae49[m]: In Florida, US, there are 192 cases, 5 deaths (2.6% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 17, 00:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:34 UTC: 'Whatever it takes': UK pledges almost $400 billion to help businesses through coronavirus: The U.K. government has announced a raft of new financial measures to help businesses under severe strain from the coronavirus outbreak. → https://is.gd/3upuIz | 18:38 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, i'm sorry, i couldn't, i had to make a long phone call | 18:39 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: that's ok | 18:39 |
| LjL | i might play it back now and transcribe it | 18:39 |
| LjL | i don't expect very exciting news though | 18:39 |
| LjL | also, as proper, my bot only sends COVID-relevant stuff to *other* channels instead of this one, which is great | 18:40 |
| LjL | so this is going to be late, but | 18:40 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from WHO News at 17:15 UTC: Press statement on COVID-19: Ladies and Gentlemen, we are holding this press briefing in an empty UN City building, as staff are now working remotely as a social distancing measure due to the coronavirus. The lives of millions of people in our region are undergoing radical change. There is, quite simply, a new [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/su9FBj | 18:40 |
| bin_bash | the channel notices are annoying | 18:42 |
| bin_bash | can't they be messages rather than notices? | 18:42 |
| bin_bash | %cases brazil | 18:45 |
| Brainstorm | bin_bash: In all areas, Brazil, there are 321 cases, 1 deaths (0.3% of cases), 2 recoveries as of March 17, 15:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Brazil for time series data. | 18:45 |
| david594 | %cases michigan | 18:46 |
| Brainstorm | david594: In Michigan, US, there are 58 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 17, 00:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:46 |
| azbycx | michigan has just entered the game and already at 58? | 18:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:45 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Scotland shuts down jury trials and courts for forseeable future — from WHO at 17:45: Press statement on COVID-19 → https://is.gd/BZV6yZ | 18:49 |
| david594 | %cases west virginia | 18:49 |
| Brainstorm | david594: Sorry, west virginia not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 18:49 |
| david594 | That is why they are safe | 18:49 |
| bin_bash | lol | 18:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 17:53 UTC: Coronavirus: All non-urgent operations in England to be postponed: The NHS attempts to free up hospital beds to cope with coronavirus, while financial measures are unveiled to prop up the economy. — from WHO at 17:53: Press statement on COVID-19 → https://is.gd/bW59td | 19:01 |
| mefistofeles | ok 100GB of data to analyze, that should give me something to do in quarantine :P | 19:02 |
| python476 | i cant say if its related | 19:02 |
| python476 | but 1) i'm getting fat 2) my eyes have black rims | 19:03 |
| python476 | even though I walk daily it feels bad | 19:03 |
| yuriwho | lol: https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/super-rich-stranded-as-private-jet-operators-say-no-to-travel-1.1407304 | 19:03 |
| python476 | I'm getting depressed | 19:03 |
| bin_bash | yeah im getting so fat from sitting on the couch the entire day working. at least in the office i got up and moved around | 19:03 |
| python476 | I can't stop thinking | 19:03 |
| python476 | about all the missed profits from selling hand gel at 20x the price | 19:04 |
| python476 | jk ~_~ | 19:04 |
| mefistofeles | come one, this can't be happening that soon | 19:04 |
| mefistofeles | you were already getting fat, probably | 19:04 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +210 cases (now 195136), +3 deaths (now 7901), +1 recoveries (now 81105) 🔸 Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada: +2 cases (now 3) 🔸 Czechia: +38 cases (now 434) 🔸 Egypt: +27 cases (now 196), +2 deaths (now 6) 🔸 Germany: +35 cases (now 8639) 🔸 Gibraltar: +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔸 Hong Kong: +6 cases (now 168) 🔸 Iceland: +15 cases (now 240) [... want %more?] | 19:05 |
| python476 | no it's all exponential fat growth | 19:06 |
| python476 | my cells are panicking | 19:06 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 19:06 |
| python476 | actually now that I'm thinking deeper | 19:07 |
| python476 | it's probably all due to the cat | 19:07 |
| python476 | we're letting him sleep inside | 19:08 |
| python476 | but he keeps nagging us every 6h | 19:08 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 19:09 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 31506 cases, 2503 deaths (7.9% of cases), 2941 recoveries as of March 17, 18:02Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 19:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 17:58 UTC: Biz & IT: Charter faces blowback after banning work-from-home during pandemic — from WHO at 17:58: Press statement on COVID-19 → https://is.gd/7eXkDg | 19:13 |
| LjL | who the hell bans work from home?! | 19:13 |
| python476 | idiots | 19:14 |
| python476 | in case you needed an answer | 19:14 |
| bin_bash | that's monumentally retarded considering they were starting to open access points to the public in recognition of everone working from home | 19:14 |
| aradesh | they predict that in the UK the real number of infected peolpe is about 30,000-50,000. i wonder what the true number is in italy | 19:19 |
| LjL | the only thing in that article... certainly not justifying them (they aren't even stating the actual thing i have in mind, but) | 19:19 |
| LjL | Internet providers are in a tricky situation. Broadband is crucial to people's daily lives and their ability to work, even though it's not regulated like a utility. Maintaining home- and mobile-Internet connectivity is even more important than usual because of the pandemic, and that means sending technicians to customer homes and going into the field to fix broken equipment or wires. | 19:19 |
| AimHere | aradesh, I've heard 100,000 bandied about | 19:19 |
| LjL | i do have a bit of apprehension about the fact that 1) more people are working from home which sometimes means video conferences, which takes up bandwidth 2) more people are home and will be watching netflix or other kinds of TV over IP | 19:20 |
| LjL | will the internet (and its regional backbones) be able to cope with this? | 19:20 |
| aradesh | perhaps not | 19:20 |
| david594 | It will be fine | 19:20 |
| LjL | aradesh, honestly i'm afraid the real number in italy isn't *so* much higher than the stated number. and that's not really a good thing. | 19:20 |
| LjL | when CDC posts some RSS news i cannot really open the URL. it tries to *download* an ASP page. | 19:22 |
| python476 | question: | 19:23 |
| david594 | the links dont work for me | 19:23 |
| python476 | are there asymptomatic elders ? | 19:23 |
| david594 | not enough testing yet to know | 19:23 |
| python476 | LjL same weird asp download | 19:24 |
| LjL | python476, there aren't even many asymptomatic non-elderly... the vast majority of people who are asymptomatic at testing (but positive) go on to develop symptoms after a few days. we must realize that the sea-of-asymptomatic fable is just not true at this point. | 19:24 |
| python476 | zero byte | 19:24 |
| python476 | LjL: ok thanks | 19:24 |
| LjL | well, i guess the title is still sort of useful to get | 19:24 |
| Timvde | LjL: I think that's true for most of the world except maybe South-Korea | 19:25 |
| LjL | Timvde, yes, that might be an exception. but the "spike" of positives in south korea is specifically in the 20-30 age group | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 18:21 UTC: Coronavirus: All non-urgent operations in England to be postponed: The NHS tries to free up hospital beds to cope with coronavirus, £330bn in loans are offered to firms, and major travel restrictions come in. — from WHO at 18:21: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/bW59td | 19:25 |
| LjL | Timvde, the fact it started in that church may make things peculiar | 19:25 |
| Timvde | LjL: who don't even get tested here unless your case is really severe | 19:25 |
| Timvde | Otherwise it's just "stay inside" | 19:26 |
| LjL | Timvde, yes, it's the same here now, you don't get tested unless you're 1) either already in hospital in serious conditions, or 2) in a nursing home or prison where cases have been found | 19:26 |
| xrogaan | Which is ridiculous. How do you intent to restart the economy if you don't know who's been sick? | 19:26 |
| LjL | Timvde, which does mean that the deaths/cases ratio is overestimated... HOPEFULLY it does, really. but it doesn't mean it's asymptomatic people. it can be people with a very nasty 40°C fever, who are just at home. | 19:27 |
| LjL | xrogaan, if you can't test you can't test, it's normal to prioritize people who really need the test | 19:27 |
| LjL | it's ridiculous that we haven't prepared much better when we could, before january, or at least *in* january | 19:27 |
| LjL | but now it sort of just is the way it is and i don't see much in the way of changing it | 19:27 |
| david594 | thats a political question why more prepping wasnt done sooner | 19:28 |
| xrogaan | People will then equate "having symptoms" to "having he disease", and then assume they're cured of covid-19 once the symptoms stops. | 19:28 |
| LjL | david594, my personal answer is that it was, but mainly in authoritarian states, while democracies mostly failed at it | 19:28 |
| LjL | exceptions might be Korea and Taiwan, but those are... democracies with an Asian touch? | 19:28 |
| LjL | the thing in democracies is what someone quoted yesterday, and i'll re-quote | 19:28 |
| xrogaan | david594: because it's not a savvy move at the political level. Politics moves only if they really need to (in order to be reelected). | 19:29 |
| LjL | "a stopped pandemic is indistiguishable from resources spent for nothing" - although the actual quote was different -.- but that's the idea | 19:29 |
| xrogaan | Which is why we are in a climate crisis for about 37 years. | 19:29 |
| Timvde | Yea, democratic leaders probably think about being re-electable and don't want to be the one who crushes the economy and tells people they can't get out of their houses | 19:29 |
| LjL | david594, also since you mention it, i would like to clarify that personally i consider "political questions" of this sort just fine in this channel. i think politics is inextricably tied to the reaction to COVID which this channel does need to discuss. i think ops here will use their best judgment to determine when a reasonable discussion that *involves* politics turns into a political fight | 19:30 |
| python476 | https://youtu.be/DMLFJFSmRPQ?t=3 | 19:31 |
| python476 | new greeting policy | 19:31 |
| LjL | i am not awake 24/7 so this channel has other ops, and we may not all feel the same about what the dividing line is. i don't want to make specific rules to follow, that never really helped things in my experience. we're all in a real crappy situation and i think the best thing to do is not to antagonize each other with rules, bans, etc, as much as possible | 19:31 |
| david594 | seems civil enough so far | 19:32 |
| david594 | we need mass testing to really get a better feeling on things to know its prevalance beyond clinical patients | 19:33 |
| LjL | python476, i think you're not supposed to touch | 19:34 |
| LjL | david594, yes it's fine right now, i just used the chance to express this because i know there was a bit of a mess the other day | 19:34 |
| python476 | LjL the first one was touchless | 19:35 |
| python476 | my poor joke | 19:35 |
| python476 | germany passed SK | 19:35 |
| LjL | david594, about prevalence... i don't have the data i have in mind honestly, but i think there have been multiple attempts at more widespread testing now that show that there is not a very high prevalence in the asymptomatic group (at least unless they go on to become symptomatic). of course, test shortages can still make the case number very dubious for any country, but as to prevalence... it's small now, and eventually it'll be huge. might sound a bit | 19:37 |
| LjL | simplistic but we cannot count on many of us being already immune because we already got it without realizing (except for children). | 19:37 |
| LjL | to be clear i have not seen any paper based on a *genuinely random sample* | 19:37 |
| LjL | just a few that were random"ish" enough to strongly hint that the (admittedly double-edged sword, anyway) of asymptomatics is small | 19:38 |
| david594 | we also need some serology testing out there | 19:38 |
| LjL | someplace is doing an actual random sampling though... someone said it yesterday but i forget where | 19:38 |
| LjL | david594, meaning antibodies? | 19:39 |
| david594 | yeah | 19:39 |
| LjL | i know that antibody tests exist. honestly i don't know if they have igg and iga or whatever. i know that at least China has one antibody test that was at least *considered* to strengthen the result of the PCR test | 19:39 |
| LjL | not sure they've started to use it to make an actual serology analysis of the population, though | 19:40 |
| LjL | probably not, seems unfeasible for now | 19:40 |
| LjL | ah | 19:40 |
| LjL | <BombayRecordComp> India just ordered community testing on a sample of 1000 | 19:41 |
| LjL | <LjL> BombayRecordComp, random sample? | 19:41 |
| LjL | i don't think i got an answer to that | 19:41 |
| LjL | it might be in a place where they expect high community transmission though | 19:41 |
| LjL | "random" is also very location-dependent | 19:41 |
| david594 | You need a sample of a clinically healthy population in a community that has community transmission | 19:41 |
| david594 | zero positive tests in a community with no virus present doesnt say much | 19:42 |
| david594 | we need to find the number of discordant cases that test positive with no or minimal signs, either PCR or antibody positive | 19:42 |
| LjL | david594, and then make follow ups on them to see if they go on to develop symptoms later | 19:43 |
| david594 | yup | 19:43 |
| LjL | (especially with PCR, but even with antibodies, considering the possibility of re-infection isn't really clear yet) | 19:43 |
| david594 | I'm motived, time to look for whats published | 19:44 |
| LjL | david594, but the reality of things in places like here with widespread community transmission is that every resource available is being spent to keep people alive, and i'd say understandably so | 19:45 |
| david594 | LjL where are you? USA? | 19:45 |
| LjL | david594, i guess the kind of sampling you propose could be done in places like China that *had* widespread transmission but seem to be under control now, or places with suspected community transmission but not enough of it to saturate the healthcare system... but that is a short window, and it's arguable the resources should be spent in *very quickly* enhancing hospital/ICU potential | 19:46 |
| LjL | david594, i'm in Lombardy | 19:46 |
| david594 | The money for testing, is relatively small compared to the overall cost. | 19:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 18:41 UTC: Coronavirus: Emergency cash to help businesses and operations delayed: The NHS tries to free up hospital beds to cope with coronavirus, £330bn in loans are offered to firms, and major travel restrictions come in. — from WHO at 18:41: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/bW59td | 19:48 |
| david594 | To me this is largely the role for groups like the CDC for disease investigation. | 19:48 |
| LjL | well, the CDC has been widely criticized for their handling of this, so you're probably shooting a fish in a barrel | 19:49 |
| david594 | I agree with the criticizism, its what they should be doing | 19:49 |
| LjL | lots of should's and should have's in all of this. Italy is struggling with increasing ICU capacity, and almost cannot buy ventilators or masks. why did this not all happen back in january? we *knew* it was coming. we might not have known we'd be hit first and hardest, but there was absolutely no reason to suspect it wouldn't come. | 19:50 |
| bin_bash | i'm really pissed off at the cdc and the fedral gov in general | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +597 cases (now 196875), +2 deaths (now 7930) 🔶 Germany: +587 cases (now 9226), +1 deaths (now 24) 🔸 Lithuania: +3 cases (now 25) 🔸 Ukraine: +7 cases (now 14), +1 deaths (now 2) | 19:50 |
| LjL | that's saying nothing of interest except the PM is taking part of an EU concil meeting | 19:51 |
| LjL | %cases germany | 19:51 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Germany, there are 9226 cases, 24 deaths (0.3% of cases), 67 recoveries as of March 17, 18:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 19:51 |
| LjL | germany's curves are not looking great despite the still low fatality | 19:52 |
| david594 | time course is too short to fully assess the death rate given the low number of recovered cases | 19:53 |
| LjL | i'm aware, although i don't think the very high fatality rate in Italy can be brushed of as an artifact of lack of testing etc | 19:53 |
| david594 | No, Im just saying the german numbers may not be super accurate at this point | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:49 UTC: Coronavirus US live: taskforce chief says 'stop going out' or containment will fail – live updates: Coronavirus exposes absurdity of vote by mail restrictions States delaying primaries may face delegate penalty States improvise rules in absence of federal leadership Biden poised for more successful primaries Support [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/6QTnK0 | 19:55 |
| AimHere | One theory I've just heard re: germany is they have much more ICU capacity than most of the rest of Europe | 19:55 |
| AimHere | 24k berths compared to, say, 7000 for Italy or 6500 for France | 19:55 |
| mefistofeles | david594: there's no reason to believe they will spike up all of the sudden in a dramatic way (they can spike up of course, but not that bad) | 19:55 |
| mefistofeles | South Korea showed this | 19:56 |
| mefistofeles | AimHere: yes, that s been said multiple times here as well | 19:56 |
| LjL | david594, i think there probably is a kernel of truth to their low mortality rate, although that doesn't mean it'll last. let me grab ths wiki page again... fwiw... https://coronawiki.org/page/new-coronavirus-why-its-so-deadly-in-italy scroll down to further than the middle, there are comparisons between italy and korea *and germany and france* which are interesting | 19:56 |
| mefistofeles | but I m guessing the infected population is also not that old | 19:56 |
| LjL | AimHere, they do have a lot more beds than Italy, although i don't know any numbers about *ICU beds* in particular | 19:57 |
| LjL | those would be the most importants | 19:57 |
| LjL | in general, Italy has 3.something beds per person, Germany has 8, korea has 12, japan has 13 | 19:57 |
| LjL | those are the ones i remember | 19:57 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: ah nice wiki | 19:57 |
| LjL | but just general beds may not be very significant | 19:57 |
| david594 | that is a pretty big age spike for korea | 19:58 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, david594: i will reiterate what i said earlier too... it's just my hunch and backed by nothing, but i do believe it's a lot more common in Italy for young but working-age people to be living with their (often elderly) parents than it is in most of Europe... an exception could be Spain, but then, Spain looks about as worrisome as Italy. | 19:59 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: indeed | 19:59 |
| david594 | I'm a relatively uncultured american.... so those are social aspects Im relatively unfamiliar with | 19:59 |
| farn | Apparently Germany has 28,000 ICU beds of which 25,000 have ventilators. https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/covid-19-highlights-staff-shortages-at-german-hospitals-a-dc13b683-3884-4683-b9c0-68e0084a1f70 | 20:00 |
| farn | Italy has 5000 ICU beds | 20:00 |
| LjL | but that might entail that, for instance, many German elderly are in nursing homes (this is a completely random guess, but just a hypothesis to contrast with Italy's young living with their parents). that would mean that mortality might remain low until (inevitably) nursing homes start getting hit, and then, ouch. | 20:00 |
| LjL | farn, thanks, i did know the Italian numbers, didn't know the German ones. i can confirm the Italian number is what i knew. | 20:01 |
| LjL | that's... a lot of beds | 20:01 |
| LjL | not enough, never enough. but still | 20:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:56 UTC: Macy's is closing stores nationwide because of coronavirus: Macy's is closing all of its stores nationwide effective the end of business Tuesday through March 31, to try to curb the spread of COVID-19. — from WHO at 18:56: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/T4V7GW | 20:02 |
| LjL | "We do, in fact, have enough hospital beds in Germany. But we have a persistent problem, and this hasn't only been the case since the outbreak of the coronavirus: We have too few intensive care staff for all of the beds," | 20:02 |
| LjL | Of its 497,000 beds, 28,000 are intensive care beds. Here, too, Germany is by far the per-capital leader in Europe. | 20:03 |
| LjL | "Out of hand, pointless treatments for patients with very bad prognoses" is one reason why nurses and caregivers are often disillusioned and no longer enjoy working in intensive care units | 20:03 |
| AimHere | That's going to change soon | 20:03 |
| AimHere | The patients with very bad prognoses will be left in the corridors, surely | 20:03 |
| LjL | that's already the case in Italy | 20:04 |
| LjL | triage is taking place wildly, despite being only mildly / unclearly acknowledged by authorities in their press conferences etc | 20:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +278 cases (now 197153), +2 deaths (now 7932) 🔶 US: +140 cases (now 5863), +2 deaths (now 99) 🔶 Germany: +126 cases (now 9352) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 34) 🔸 Ghana: +1 cases (now 7) 🔸 India: +1 cases (now 143) 🔸 Norway: +4 cases (now 1456) | 20:06 |
| david594 | So since the US had the most cases... that means we won that update right? | 20:06 |
| mefistofeles | woah Germany bording 10k cases | 20:07 |
| mefistofeles | to the figures!! | 20:08 |
| LjL | i will add https://coronawiki.org/ as a tracker in the list, although it's not just a tracker... the "world" number is only about 120 behind Brainstorm's number, so it looks at least decently up to date | 20:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:07 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Ali Velshi su Twitter: "BREAKING: #NewYork residents “should be prepared right now for the possibility of a shelter-in-place order” that could come from Mayor De Blasio within 48 hours #coronavirus #COVID19" — from WHO at 19:07: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/SzwSym | 20:09 |
| farn | Damn, that's a lot of countries with fewer ICU beds per capita than Italy has. https://www.ft.com/content/5a2ffc78-6550-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5 | 20:09 |
| LjL | farn, i'm afraid so. we're not great, but there's a lot of countries behind us. a lot. we still were classed "second best healthcare in the world" as recently as 2019, not sure if by the WHO or some EU organism. i am *very* doubtful on us really deserving that merit, but, there's certainly worse. | 20:10 |
| david594 | Except the governor of New York State he will not allow cities to declare their own quarntine. So if DeBlasio does try and do it, a fight will ensue. | 20:10 |
| LjL | i can't read that ft article though, paywall | 20:11 |
| farn | https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.upp-prod-eu.s3.amazonaws.com%2F26edc650-63b2-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5?fit=scale-down&quality=highest&source=next&width=700 | 20:11 |
| LjL | david594, does it really matter, if it's a "shelter in place" the style of San Francisco, which is in turn pretty similar what Italy or Spain are doing, i.e. at least on paper, limit most activities except the essential and production? | 20:11 |
| LjL | farn, yeah, the EU average is slightly lower than Italy's number | 20:12 |
| LjL | farn, and most of the countries with fewer beds than Italy have not been hit hard yet. so when they do get hit hard, it will be, well, hard :( | 20:12 |
| LjL | that graph comes with a source, let's see if i can grab it and figure out the exact numbers... | 20:13 |
| david594 | my concern is more for a political fight with the local leader saying shelter in place, but the governor directly contrdicting that message | 20:14 |
| LjL | yes, full text is available https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00134-012-2627-8 | 20:14 |
| mefistofeles | %title | 20:14 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: Couldn't load page from link.springer.com (416: Requested Range Not Satisfiable). | 20:14 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, The variability of critical care bed numbers in Europe | 20:14 |
| mefistofeles | bit outdated | 20:14 |
| LjL | it's what the graph's data comes from | 20:14 |
| LjL | yeah | 20:14 |
| LjL | nice graphs though, not just the trivial one | 20:15 |
| LjL | expenditure vs beds | 20:16 |
| LjL | and "acute" beds vs ICU | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:13 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Coronavirus: European Union leaders agree to close borders — from WHO at 19:13: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/GQsFAo | 20:16 |
| LjL | Italy looks very short on "acute" care beds too. many patients need those too. many patients need at least some oxygen to survive, even if they don't need ICU | 20:17 |
| LjL | which makes me cringe again about not buying a concentrator when i could, sigh | 20:17 |
| airgap | italy has a population of around 60M people whereas the san francisco bay metropolitan region has about 7M. i always feel it's good to start with that when making comparisons | 20:18 |
| bin_bash | the entire country has fewer than 10x the number of people as a single region | 20:20 |
| airgap | population density is italy 201/km2 vs sfbay 430/km2 | 20:22 |
| LjL | airgap, well, what is the population density of Lombardy, the region with the hardest outbreak, both initially and now? | 20:22 |
| LjL | %wa population density of Lombardy | 20:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Lombardy, Italy | population density): Result: 420 people per square kilometer → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+density+of+Lombardy | 20:23 |
| LjL | %cases Lombardy | 20:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Sorry, Lombardy not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 20:23 |
| LjL | %cases Lombardia | 20:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 16220 cases, 1640 deaths (10.1% of cases), 2485 recoveries as of March 17, 16:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 20:23 |
| LjL | %cases Italy | 20:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 31506 cases, 2503 deaths (7.9% of cases), 2941 recoveries as of March 17, 18:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 20:23 |
| LjL | compare... | 20:23 |
| LjL | Lombardy has about 10 million people, most in Milan's metropolitan area, but a decent amount in the provines of Bergamo and Brescia too | 20:24 |
| david594 | %wa population density of san francisco | 20:24 |
| Brainstorm | david594, Wolfram|Alpha (San Francisco, California, United States | population density): Result: 7285 people per square kilometer → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+density+of+san+francisco | 20:24 |
| airgap | that's san francisco, not the metro area | 20:24 |
| david594 | i know | 20:24 |
| LjL | %wa population density of Milan, Italy | 20:25 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Milan, Lombardy, Italy | population density): Result: (data not available) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+density+of+Milan%2C+Italy | 20:25 |
| LjL | oh | 20:25 |
| david594 | %wa population density of Milan | 20:25 |
| Brainstorm | david594, Wolfram|Alpha (Milan, Lombardy, Italy | population density): Result: (data not available) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+density+of+Milan | 20:25 |
| david594 | %wa population density of NYC | 20:25 |
| Brainstorm | david594, Wolfram|Alpha (New York City, New York, United States | population density): Result: 11001 people per square kilometer → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+density+of+NYC | 20:25 |
| LjL | answer is 7200 per km²in Milan | 20:25 |
| david594 | so pretty similar | 20:26 |
| LjL | 10200 per km² in NYC | 20:26 |
| cews | https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074945/coronavirus-hubei-government-deletes-report-claiming-covid-19 | 20:26 |
| mefistofeles | %title | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: Couldn't load page from www.scmp.com (416: Requested Range Not Satisfiable). | 20:26 |
| mefistofeles | ffs | 20:26 |
| bin_bash | lol | 20:27 |
| cews | > Coronavirus: Hubei government deletes report claiming Covid-19 could damage male fertility | 20:28 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, in some cases it can't give you titles because sites don't like its useragent, but i think the 416s are due to the bot trying to avoid to load the *entire* page, in case it's something huge, so it requests a range. some sites can't provide ranges... | 20:28 |
| LjL | cews, any clue why China would want to hide that fact, if it were true? I realize China has been rather hush hush at the start of this, but at this stage what's the point of hiding consequences | 20:29 |
| cews | I feel they _know more_ | 20:29 |
| mefistofeles | they are making a new sex drug for male, of course | 20:29 |
| mefistofeles | :P | 20:29 |
| airgap | anything that will add more anxiety to the markets that can't be readily substantiated will probably get spiked | 20:30 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, i could easily avoid that 416 behavior. it would potentially cause me issues if the command is misused. maybe for now i will ignore that potential issue. | 20:30 |
| LjL | cews, any idea where to get that report now? | 20:33 |
| LjL | %title https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3074945/coronavirus-hubei-government-deletes-report-claiming-covid-19 | 20:34 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.scmp.com: Coronavirus: Hubei government deletes report claiming Covid-19 could damage male fertility | South China Morning Post | 20:34 |
| LjL | we'll see if i broke something else in the process | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +399 cases (now 197552), +23 deaths (now 7955) 🔶 Spain: +339 cases (now 11748), +23 deaths (now 533) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 34) 🔸 Canada: +13 cases (now 478) 🔸 Manitoba, Canada: +1 cases (now 8) 🔸 New Brunswick, Canada: +2 cases (now 8) 🔸 Nova Scotia, Canada: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +24 cases (now 74) [... want %more?] | 20:36 |
| cews | LjL: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1 | 20:36 |
| LjL | cews, thanks | 20:36 |
| cews | LjL: Not peer reviewed though | 20:37 |
| LjL | hard to peer review something that only stays up for a few hours | 20:37 |
| cews | Exactly! | 20:37 |
| cews | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1.full.pdf | 20:38 |
| cews | There's the in-browser study | 20:38 |
| LjL | "SARS-CoV is just like the ‘cousin’ of 2019-nCoV and shares the receptor ACE2 with 2019-nCoV." ← this doesn't sound very, uhm, paperly | 20:41 |
| hikemu | hello there | 20:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 19:39 UTC: Coronavirus: Emergency cash to help businesses and operations delayed: The NHS tries to free up hospital beds to cope with coronavirus, £330bn in loans are offered to firms, and major travel restrictions come in. — from WHO at 19:39: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/bW59td | 20:44 |
| LjL | cews, an issue i see with this study is there is no control group, so i don't know if you take 100 people at random, how many of them you expect to find with elevated creatinine, urea nitrogen, or kidney injury. granted, things like kidney injury, i'd hope to find it less often than 7%. but they don't compare it to anything. it's basically two different studies as i understanding: one is "where do we find ACE2? 'cause you know, the virus could bind to all | 20:46 |
| LjL | those places" and another is "do we find any indication that those places at most theoretical risk due to ACE2 presence are actually damaged?" | 20:46 |
| LjL | it looks interesting but stops short of actually showing damage is specifically caused by COVID, i guess | 20:46 |
| cews | very true | 20:48 |
| cews | Worth noting though, I feel China know more about this coronavirus | 20:48 |
| _io_ | what do you think they know and why would they keep it secret | 20:48 |
| Kartha | how many total deaths? | 20:50 |
| Kartha | Just got word Idris Elba has been affected | 20:50 |
| cews | _io_: they've had more time to research :) | 20:52 |
| cews | Anything else would be pure speculation; but they know how long it lasts on surfaces, in the air, etc | 20:53 |
| LjL | %cases world | 20:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, World, there are 197576 cases, 7955 deaths (4.0% of cases), 81708 recoveries as of March 17, 19:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 8.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 20:53 |
| LjL | Kartha, the above shows the known deaths | 20:53 |
| LjL | you should probably consider that some deaths are "indirect" and not counted as COVID-19 deaths (because they really aren't, but in the end, they are caused by this emergency), though | 20:53 |
| bin_bash | it balances out with the deaths that are caused by COVID but aren't recorded as such because of lack of testing | 20:54 |
| airgap | what is the technical definition of a recovery? 2 negative specimens? | 20:54 |
| xrogaan | No virus found in your sputum I believe. | 20:55 |
| LjL | airgap, yes, and lack of symptoms, for a certain number of days that i forget. however, based on the graphs, i'd say various countries are counting recoveries *very* differently in practice | 20:55 |
| xrogaan | as they are with "critical" conditions. | 20:56 |
| airgap | interesting. WHO should have clarification on the language | 20:56 |
| xrogaan | I heard China counted "critical" only people who needed ventilation aid. | 20:57 |
| LjL | airgap, i suspect many countries have stopped listening to any WHO recommendations tbh | 20:57 |
| LjL | not sure i can blame them | 20:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:54 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Shimon Prokupecz su Twitter: "100 people have died from novel coronavirus across the United States, according to a tally by CNN." — from WHO at 19:54: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/aK8mJI | 20:57 |
| LjL | xrogaan, that's probably true as it matches what i've heard in general... but yes, aside from the "critical" (5% or so in china), you should generally consider a certain percentage of hospitalized patients who will probably recover but only if they *do* receive good medical care, at least oxygen. on the other than, within the "critical" patients, about half of them will die regardless. | 20:58 |
| airgap | agreed... the WHO should be severely judged by this event | 20:58 |
| LjL | other hand* | 20:59 |
| xrogaan | critical is 20% in Italy, is it not? | 21:00 |
| xrogaan | oh, my mistake. I swapped "severe" with "critical" | 21:01 |
| xrogaan | severe in China were only when you need respiratory aid. | 21:02 |
| LjL | xrogaan, about 10% is "critical" in the sense of being in ICU in italy. how many are "severe" or "serious", i could give you a number but honestly i don't trust that it's obtained in a similar way as other countries. | 21:02 |
| LjL | xrogaan, you find the numbers here anyway https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Infografica_17marzo%20ENG.pdf | 21:03 |
| xrogaan | yes, I know | 21:03 |
| LjL | i have perplexities about those numbers though. "critical" there is 4.3%, and yet, ICU admissions are 10% if you ask the civil protection, or even more if you ask others | 21:04 |
| LjL | i'd say anyone who needs ICU is pretty critical | 21:04 |
| david594 | anyone who needs a vent is critical | 21:04 |
| yuriwho | ventilators are worth their weight in gold right now | 21:05 |
| xrogaan | LjL: they reportedly don't have enough ICU beds for everybody. So even admitted, some are left with nothing. | 21:05 |
| david594 | yeah | 21:05 |
| LjL | xrogaan, well, the way the civil protection reports them, they say that n patients *are* in ICUs, which makes up 10% | 21:06 |
| LjL | if they are playing with words, well, maybe they are, what can i say | 21:06 |
| bin_bash | get an oxygen converter and if you get sick it'll buy you time | 21:06 |
| LjL | i wanted to buy one (if you mean a concentrator) | 21:07 |
| LjL | i stalled for too long, and now they are no longer available | 21:07 |
| bin_bash | yah not sure why i said converter | 21:07 |
| LjL | Amazon had a bunch, all gone. then eBay had *one* left available from the EU, and it was gone too in a day. | 21:07 |
| xrogaan | I think it's already pretty miraculous we get those graphs. Nothing from France as far as I can tell. | 21:07 |
| LjL | now there are still ones listed on Amazon but as being sold from China. i don't expect any packages from China to actually be delivered at this time. | 21:08 |
| LjL | and now Amazon announced they will no longer be stocking things that are "non-essential" in their warehouse, so i guess there's no hope of a restocking. | 21:08 |
| cews | LjL: I ordered from guangdong and received within 10 days | 21:09 |
| david594 | Just buy your own vent off ebay :) | 21:09 |
| LjL | cews, Italian Customs usually keep packages from China for a months or so before they send you an email asking to provide documentation that you actually paid it the x amount etc | 21:10 |
| LjL | imagine now | 21:10 |
| cews | LjL: https://i.imgur.com/UiwNJpX.png | 21:10 |
| dividediff[m] | in 19 days I predict canada [441 cases atm] will be; | 21:10 |
| dividediff[m] | if we handle it like italy = 31506 cases | 21:10 |
| dividediff[m] | if we handle it like s korea = 7869 cases | 21:10 |
| LjL | cews, well, that just goes to show it would be beneficial, at this time, not to be in italy, but i knew that ;( | 21:11 |
| cews | What made you go? | 21:11 |
| LjL | it's not great to be in italy even at the best of times | 21:11 |
| LjL | i just live here... | 21:11 |
| cews | Ah | 21:12 |
| cews | Best wishes | 21:12 |
| xrogaan | France's cases double every 3 days. | 21:12 |
| cews | UK to close schools - It comes after teaching unions spoke of the "intolerable pressure" of staying open as more and more staff get sick. | 21:13 |
| xrogaan | cews: UK's behavior seems to match this sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak | 21:13 |
| cews | xrogaan: yes! :) | 21:14 |
| LjL | cews, fwiw, even Prime products on Amazon are no longer carrying the Prime logo (mostly?) and just say "free shipping with Prime" because shipping is predicted to take several days. anything that doesn't come from the EU, i cannot really expect to receive, or to receive in a reasonably timely manner. | 21:15 |
| dividediff[m] | time lapse of global corona growth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6pBq3oXe5M | 21:17 |
| cews | LjL: this is why -- https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-amazon-com-exclusi/exclusive-amazon-warehouses-receive-only-vital-supplies-in-u-s-europe-amid-coronavirus-idUKKBN2142IQ | 21:17 |
| LjL | cews, no, this is new, and we'll see what it entails in practice (but thanks, the other article i saw about that was paywalled)... but the oxygen concentrators were already gone several days/weeks ago. i was considering one *before* i realized that, realistically, this virus may kill 10% of "most people" :\ | 21:18 |
| LjL | if i had known what i know now, i really wouldn't think twice | 21:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:12 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Justin Wolfers su Twitter: "Known U.S. coronavirus cases still tracking Italy uncomfortably closely. If that trajectory continues, we might be at 30,000 cases in a week or so. https://t.co/yEPNzjICd9… https://t.co/GCpBHPkU3D" — from WHO at 20:12: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/edaDrU | 21:18 |
| LjL | cews, but, if "ts latest move to free up inventory space for medical and household goods in high demand as a result of the coronavirus outbreak" (note "medical") is true, then perhaps there's a glimmer of hope | 21:19 |
| cews | :) | 21:19 |
| LjL | i asked on r/amazon whether anybody knew of a site or software to periodially search amazon for some keywords and notify me if there's anything, but they killed my post because apparently you cannot ask "questions" on r/amazon | 21:19 |
| LjL | i know of such sites for ebay, and use them, but nothing for amazon | 21:20 |
| cews | LjL: something like this http://www.nowinstock.net/customtracker/ ? | 21:21 |
| LjL | cews, aaah... that looks close. maybe it only lets me select a specific product *from* the amazon catalogue (that may be out of stock) instead of arbitrary keywords, but even then, it'll be better than nothing, if i can select products that are just not currently on Prime | 21:22 |
| LjL | registering and seeing | 21:23 |
| cews | LjL: Not sure haven't used, Amazon are to be scaling back, if your product isnt under the category on Reuters, there is a good chance it won't be for a while | 21:24 |
| LjL | cews, understood. the categories listed do include "health". i'd say oxygen concentrators fall under "health", but amazon may not agree, especially since those that can be sold on amazon *can't* be medical-grade by law | 21:24 |
| cews | LjL: those pulse oximeters are manufactured in China tho | 21:25 |
| cews | May fall sort | 21:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 20:17 UTC: Coronavirus: Emergency cash to help businesses and operations delayed: The NHS tries to free up hospital beds to cope with coronavirus, £330bn in loans are offered to firms, and major travel restrictions come in. — from WHO at 20:17: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/bW59td | 21:25 |
| LjL | wait, oxygen concentrators and pulse oxymeters are very different things | 21:25 |
| LjL | (i already have a pulse oxymeter although i'm not entirely sure its readings are reliable) | 21:25 |
| LjL | but anyway both types of things are definitely manufactured in China | 21:26 |
| Timvde | So, Belgium is in not-a-lockdown | 21:27 |
| xionbox[m] | cews: I'm trying to catch up here, but can't seem to. What is the thing you bought from Guangdong ? | 21:27 |
| pingveno[m] | I'm trying to remember a time when things felt this disastrous, at least short term. | 21:28 |
| pingveno[m] | Where it felt like the world was falling apart at the seams, partially because it was. | 21:28 |
| LjL | cews, it looks like the site only really works with amazon.com, fails to show anything for amazon.it, and if i select Italy it just gives me a limited choice of products to try :( thanks anyway, i had found nothing before | 21:29 |
| cews | xionbox[m]: Was just some fibre mop covers which can only be ordered off ebay to fit this model | 21:29 |
| LjL | pingveno[m], unless you're *very* old, it might be hard to think of such a time | 21:29 |
| pingveno[m] | 2008 was bad, but it was a bit more of a slow burn and didn't involve large amounts of dying. | 21:29 |
| cews | LjL: was worth a try though | 21:29 |
| LjL | yeah | 21:29 |
| pingveno[m] | 32, so not old | 21:29 |
| LjL | i'll have dinner now | 21:30 |
| xionbox[m] | okay thanks | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:28 UTC: /u/slakmehl: NYT has pulled data to graphically depict the overruns on total hospital beds and ICU beds for every county in the country under 9 different scenarios: 20%, 40%, and 60% infection rates on timelines of 6 months, 12 months or 18 months. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/wLfsEE | 21:32 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +178 cases (now 197730), +1 deaths (now 7956) 🔸 Andorra: +23 cases (now 39) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 34) 🔸 Canada: +13 cases (now 478) 🔸 Manitoba, Canada: +1 cases (now 8) 🔸 New Brunswick, Canada: +2 cases (now 8) 🔸 Nova Scotia, Canada: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +24 cases (now 74) 🔸 Israel: +13 cases (now 337) [... want %more?] | 21:36 |
| xionbox[m] | There's a good tutorial to get started on helping with Folding@Home, a distributed scientific computing project which is helping find proteins related to the COVID-19 virus: https://breuer.dev/blog/donate-cpu.html . If you have some computer knowledge, it will only take like five minutes to set this up on your machine. I've got 12 CPU cores dedicated to helping crack the code. Might be worth adding that link in the | 21:36 |
| xionbox[m] | title of this channel too? | 21:36 |
| LjL | xionbox[m], on IRC, the topic length is limited, so if i keep the topic the same between IRC and Matrix, it would not fit. however, the list of link that's in the topic does already contain a link to folding@home, i can add those instructions to that i guess | 21:37 |
| LjL | keep in mind that from what i've heard, currently, folding@home users are getting no work units because there's more people running it than demand | 21:37 |
| LjL | so it's a good thing but it's probably already kind of covered | 21:37 |
| xionbox[m] | That would be great, thanks LjL | 21:37 |
| xionbox[m] | I joined F@H just a few hours ago, and it's been really busy on my machine. I had never used it before | 21:39 |
| xionbox[m] | Maybe does it depends on how powerful the machine is? Mine was a beast two years ago, so it's still probably considered a good machine today | 21:40 |
| DrJNo | I've got folding@home running and it's doing a COIVD-19 workload right now | 21:44 |
| xrogaan | F@H is a way to distribute computing, because the amount of super-computer are limited. | 21:45 |
| DrJNo | I think it's a CPU workload though | 21:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:43 UTC: /u/slakmehl: From ProPublica, an almost identical analysis/visualization as NYT below. It does not provide projections for ICU beds, but it does customize projections for specific area (which it detects from your IP or which you can type in yourself). [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Lf6Pwp | 21:46 |
| xrogaan | depends | 21:47 |
| astraliam[m] | !cases italy | 21:48 |
| xrogaan | If a compatible GPU isn't detected, it'll use the CPU. Otherwise it'll use the gpu. | 21:49 |
| DrJNo | There are both CPU and GPU workloads, as far as I'm aware | 21:50 |
| xrogaan | you should be able to configure all that. | 21:50 |
| DrJNo | From the description of the task: These projects are CPU projects to simulate the main protease of the COVID-19, a possible drug target. These supplement high-priority GPU projects of the main protease as well as the COVID-19 receptor binding domains. We hope to have preliminary drug screening simulations on CPUs released in the next week. | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +108 cases (now 197838), +3 deaths (now 7959) 🔶 US: +161 cases (now 6052), +2 deaths (now 101) 🔸 Andorra: +23 cases (now 39) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 34) 🔸 Canada: +13 cases (now 478) 🔸 Manitoba, Canada: +1 cases (now 8) 🔸 New Brunswick, Canada: +2 cases (now 8) 🔸 Nova Scotia, Canada: +2 cases (now 7) 🔸 Quebec, Canada: +24 cases (now 74) [... want %more?] | 21:51 |
| DrJNo | F@H had a blog post about GPU workloads, and I heard those all got done pretty quick | 21:51 |
| DrJNo | I've got a beefy GPU too, and it's doing something. Not sure what | 21:52 |
| DrJNo | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 21:53 |
| astraliam[m] | %cases italy | 21:55 |
| Brainstorm | astraliam[m]: In all areas, Italy, there are 31506 cases, 2503 deaths (7.9% of cases), 2941 recoveries as of March 17, 18:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 21:55 |
| guilhermeesq[m] | %cases moon | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | guilhermeesq[m]: In Maine, US, there are 32 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 17, 00:20Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:57 UTC: Macy's is closing stores nationwide because of coronavirus: Macy's is closing all of its stores nationwide effective the end of business Tuesday through March 31, to try to curb the spread of COVID-19. — from WHO at 20:57: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/T4V7GW | 22:00 |
| romare | first death in Turkey | 22:02 |
| Albright | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9CkQcholGQ | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: From www.youtube.com: FREEDOM In The Age of Coronavirus - YouTube | 22:05 |
| yuriwho | LjL: looks like that paper had it’s desired effect: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-uk-model-study/index.html | 22:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 21:08 UTC: Biz & IT: Amazon hiring 100,000 warehouse workers amid coronavirus boom — from WHO at 21:08: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/CvpB0X | 22:14 |
| Albright | %title https://www.latimes.com/gallery/with-masks-at-the-ready-ice-agents-make-arrests-on-first-day-of-california-coronavirus-lockdown | 22:19 |
| Brainstorm | Albright, the URL could not be loaded | 22:19 |
| Albright | LA Times reporting that ICE (American immigration enforcement) is arresting illegal immigrants as they "shelter at home" in places in California where such orders are in effect. | 22:20 |
| bin_bash | it's literally in the url key | 22:20 |
| Albright | I know, but I don't expect humans to read that. | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:08 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: Australian airlines to receive $715m bailout – latest updates: Australians abroad warned to come home now as borders and airports close; new Covid-19 tests kits available but not yet in Australia. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NewT2e | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +141 cases (now 197979), +2 deaths (now 7961), +7 recoveries (now 81715) 🔸 Andorra: +23 cases (now 39) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 34) 🔸 Bahrain: +7 recoveries (now 88) 🔸 Canada: +14 cases (now 479) 🔸 Manitoba, Canada: +1 cases (now 8) 🔸 New Brunswick, Canada: +2 cases (now 8) 🔸 Nova Scotia, Canada: +2 cases (now 7) [... want %more?] | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:23 UTC: (news): New York state coronavirus cases soar to about 1,700, hospitalizing 19% — from WHO at 21:23: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/wSkonK | 22:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 21:31 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buonasera a tutti, ecco il vostro recap per il 17 marzo — from WHO at 21:31: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/eJkaNw | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +125 cases (now 198104) 🔶 US: +124 cases (now 6176), +1 deaths (now 102) 🔸 Andorra: +23 cases (now 39) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 34) 🔸 Bahrain: +7 recoveries (now 88) 🔸 Bolivia: +1 cases (now 12) 🔸 Brazil: +7 cases (now 328) 🔸 Canada: +14 cases (now 479) 🔸 Manitoba, Canada: +1 cases (now 8) 🔸 New Brunswick, Canada: +2 cases (now 8) [... want %more?] | 22:37 |
| LjL | yuriwho: "sure, of course, that was our exact plan from the start! (psst get the guys to read that paper and rewrite the whole plan, now)" | 22:37 |
| Arlaerion[m] | %data austria | 22:46 |
| Brainstorm | Arlaerion[m]: In all areas, Austria, there are 1332 cases, 4 deaths (0.3% of cases), 8 recoveries as of March 17, 21:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Austria for time series data. | 22:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:41 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: Australia 'can't go into full lockdown', deputy PM says – latest updates: Australians abroad warned to come home now as borders and airports close; new Covid-19 tests kits available but not yet in Australia. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NewT2e | 22:48 |
| Jigsy | This really hits home about how ill prepared people are for anything. | 22:50 |
| Jigsy | Like, countries, etc. | 22:50 |
| M--c[m] | The above Screenshots is from a person in South Africa. Interestingly the private healthcare centers seem reluctant to want to deal with cases. Public health facilities seems to be on point though. | 22:52 |
| dividediff[m] | Anyone know why italy was hit so hard? | 22:53 |
| M--c[m] | * The above Screenshots are from a person in South Africa. Interestingly the private healthcare centers seem reluctant to deal with cases. Public health facilities seems to be on point though. | 22:53 |
| M--c[m] | According to a medical professional/spokesperson in Lombardi ppl didnt take it seriously enough. | 22:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:45 UTC: Travel industry pushes for $150 billion in aid as coronavirus cripples business: Lobbying groups representing the country's travel and tourism industry met the White House on Tuesday to meet with President Donald Trump and other officials to discuss the devastating economic impact of the pandemic. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/kZB1nE | 22:55 |
| RougeR | hey guys | 22:57 |
| M--c[m] | <M--c[m] "According to a medical professio"> ...& they failed to contain it early enough. Asymptomatic individuals also increased the plume rapidly early on. | 22:57 |
| M--c[m] | * > <@--c:matrix.org> According to a medical professional/spokesperson in Lombardi ppl didnt take it seriously enough. | 22:58 |
| M--c[m] | ...& the Italian officials failed to contain it early enough. Asymptomatic individuals also increased the plume rapidly early on. | 22:58 |
| LjL | I'd say Italy, despite its failure to take it seriously when it was still "just in China", because i think that's very much a failure, well aside from that, it hasn't taken lockdown measures any later than other similar countries are now doing | 23:02 |
| LjL | they missed that particular individual which is dubbed "patient one", but that was due to circumstances, maybe to a couple doctors who didn't take it seriously. you can't control everybody, chance matters. | 23:02 |
| AimHere | In the UK, the rhetorical measures aren't closing the pubs and restaurants | 23:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 21:47 UTC: Science: New model examines impact of different methods of coronavirus control — from WHO at 21:47: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/PHM2Iz | 23:02 |
| RougeR | hi LjL | 23:04 |
| RougeR | i just wrote to my locl politicans | 23:04 |
| RougeR | urging them to enforce global quarantines as our neighbouring island has | 23:04 |
| RougeR | they are meeting tommorow | 23:04 |
| RougeR | they are currently not enforcing mandatory quarantines for the UK and also for students | 23:05 |
| M--c[m] | %data South Africa | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | M--c[m]: In all areas, South Africa, there are 62 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 16, 14:38Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=South%20Africa for time series data. | 23:07 |
| python476 | i'm still surprised how some countries were hit so wildly | 23:07 |
| python476 | iran italy .. strong, turkey greece .. not strong | 23:08 |
| python476 | is it an economic reason ? (tourism, imports) | 23:08 |
| RougeR | python476, greece maybe less so due its fractured geography? | 23:09 |
| RougeR | turkey idk | 23:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:58 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: Australia 'can't go into full lockdown', deputy PM says – latest updates: Australians abroad warned to come home now as borders and airports close; new Covid-19 tests kits available but not yet in Australia. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NewT2e | 23:09 |
| LjL | RougeR, the UK is changing its tune a little | 23:10 |
| LjL | python476, i don't believe Turkey's numbers honestly | 23:10 |
| RougeR | LjL, yeah they are | 23:10 |
| RougeR | realised they are fucked | 23:10 |
| RougeR | if they dont | 23:10 |
| RougeR | london is rapidly accelerating | 23:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic at 22:00 UTC: Live: Answers to Your Coronavirus Questions: Join The Atlantic for a live update on the latest coronavirus news as of March 17, 2019. Dr. Jim Hamblin will take questions and help you make sense of the rapidly changing situation. — from WHO at 22:00: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/6qz5UN | 23:16 |
| dividediff[m] | !cases turket | 23:17 |
| dividediff[m] | !cases turkey | 23:17 |
| RougeR | contingo, | 23:19 |
| xrogaan | In belgium, we have this: https://epidemio.wiv-isp.be/ID/Pages/2019-nCoV_epidemiological_situation.aspx | 23:20 |
| xrogaan | No english version though | 23:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:14 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: Virgin suspends all international flights – latest updates: Australians abroad warned to come home now as borders and airports close; new Covid-19 tests kits available but not yet in Australia. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NewT2e | 23:23 |
| xrogaan | I believe it mirror this: https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/geographical-distribution-2019-ncov-cases | 23:24 |
| xrogaan | with some details pertaining to Belgium. | 23:24 |
| twomoon | %cases italy | 23:28 |
| Brainstorm | twomoon: In all areas, Italy, there are 31506 cases, 2503 deaths (7.9% of cases), 2941 recoveries as of March 17, 18:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 23:28 |
| twomoon | hi RougeR where are you located? | 23:28 |
| RougeR | Jersey, channel islands | 23:29 |
| Timvde | xrogaan: The data is about 2 days old, it seems? | 23:29 |
| twomoon | channel islands? ppl live there? | 23:29 |
| RougeR | yes | 23:29 |
| RougeR | 200k or so | 23:29 |
| dividediff[m] | British Columbia hording https://globalnews.ca/news/6686681/kelowna-meat-hoarders-coronavirus-pandemic/amp/ | 23:29 |
| Timvde | %cases Belgium | 23:29 |
| Brainstorm | Timvde: In all areas, Belgium, there are 1243 cases, 10 deaths (0.8% of cases), 14 recoveries as of March 17, 22:10Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgium for time series data. | 23:29 |
| twomoon | wow i only heard of researchers living on the channel islands | 23:29 |
| RougeR | yeah, im in jersey | 23:29 |
| Timvde | Wait, the total number of cases seems to be up-to-date, but he number of deaths isn't | 23:29 |
| RougeR | we are at 5 cases, no community spread | 23:29 |
| RougeR | guernsey 1 case | 23:29 |
| RougeR | guensey enforcing 14 day quarantines | 23:30 |
| RougeR | jersey 14 days for all but UK and essential ans tudents | 23:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 22:26 UTC: Coronavirus: Emergency cash to help businesses, and operations delayed: The NHS tries to free up hospital beds to cope with coronavirus, £330bn in loans are offered to firms, and major travel restrictions come in. — from WHO at 22:26: Every country needs to take boldest actions to stop COVID-19 → https://is.gd/bW59td | 23:30 |
| RougeR | i just wrote to my local politician urging us to implement guernsey measure | 23:30 |
| RougeR | they meet tommorow | 23:30 |
| RougeR | we can become a sanctuary if we act now | 23:30 |
| RougeR | if we dont | 23:30 |
| RougeR | 100s-1000s will die | 23:30 |
| RougeR | we have 10 ICU meds total | 23:31 |
| RougeR | 17,000 at risk people | 23:31 |
| RougeR | yeah. | 23:31 |
| LjL | twomoon, i'm not sure you're thinking of the same channel islands i'm thinking... "only researchers", what | 23:31 |
| RougeR | twomoon, you thinking of california? | 23:32 |
| RougeR | this is near france/uk | 23:32 |
| xrogaan | In Belgium we've had supermarket stores closing because they didn't have enough staff at hand. | 23:32 |
| contingo | good evening | 23:33 |
| xrogaan | So people would just take stuff and go away without paying. | 23:33 |
| contingo | Guernsey has its own hospital? | 23:33 |
| RougeR | contingo, yep | 23:33 |
| Timvde | xrogaan: Hadn't heard of that | 23:33 |
| Timvde | The Colruyt here was doing pretty well when I went yesterday | 23:34 |
| xrogaan | It's more about stuff like Ikea and Brico. Those do fit the "super" market brand, right? | 23:35 |
| LjL | we call those "hyper"markets, which is probably not a term used elsewhere, but still, i'm pretty sure "supermarket" is mainly associated with mainly-food stores | 23:35 |
| xrogaan | Well, a big hangar filled with stuff you can buy. | 23:36 |
| Timvde | Why would anyone be going to IKEA now? | 23:36 |
| Timvde | I mean, more than otherwise | 23:36 |
| python476 | Timvde: are you expecting rational answers right now ? | 23:36 |
| Timvde | I always do | 23:37 |
| python476 | here's the generic answers: | 23:37 |
| bigfluff | If you're going to be quarantined for a couple of weeks, might as well figure out how to assemble some side-tables | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:30 UTC: Premier League and EFL working to help crisis-hit clubs, says FA: Chief executive Mark Bullingham aware of impending struggle ‘We are having lots of conversations with stakeholders’ The Football Association is working with the Premier League, EFL and the government to consider how help can be provided to clubs [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YDwRfA | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +282 cases (now 198386), +7 deaths (now 7967), +32 recoveries (now 81747) 🔶 US: +164 cases (now 6340), +4 deaths (now 106), +32 recoveries (now 106) 🔸 Algeria: +1 cases (now 61) 🔸 Andorra: +23 cases (now 39) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 34) 🔸 Bahrain: +7 recoveries (now 88) 🔸 Bolivia: +1 cases (now 12) 🔸 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +7 cases (now 34) [... want %more?] | 23:37 |
| python476 | <crisis> => <do something, senseless or not> | 23:37 |
| python476 | slightly related | 23:37 |
| python476 | wd40 does wonder for squeeky hinges | 23:37 |
| python476 | my cheap chair is now silent | 23:37 |
| python476 | #heaven | 23:37 |
| airgap | it'll only work for a while. | 23:38 |
| python476 | airgap: better than nothing | 23:38 |
| airgap | wd40 is a solvent not a lubricant | 23:38 |
| python476 | i'll find a thick lubricant later | 23:38 |
| dividediff[m] | Is anyone making arrangements for the unlikely scenario that they die? | 23:44 |
| python476 | I did place a lot of explosive all over the country that will detonate if I don't reset them daily | 23:45 |
| python476 | dividediff[m]: is that what you were aski... oh wait | 23:45 |
| python476 | wait shit | 23:45 |
| python476 | *python476 has left the room* | 23:45 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 United Kingdom, United Kingdom: +407 cases (now 1950), +32 recoveries (now 52) 🔶 Netherlands, Netherlands: +292 cases (now 1705), +19 deaths (now 43) 🔶 France, France: +1019 cases (now 7652) 🔸 Andorra: +23 cases (now 39) 🔸 Canada: +13 cases (now 478) 🔸 Manitoba, Canada: +1 cases (now 8) 🔸 New Brunswick, Canada: +2 cases (now 8) [... want %more?] | 23:47 |
| M--c[m] | It’s somewhat shocking to see the amounts of funding put forward by governments to keep private business institutions from going under during this time. I cant help but wonder how those billions of $$$ could be used to increase & bolster testing, treatment & preventative efforts right now. | 23:52 |
| bigfluff | I have not been keeping up; what is going on with government stimulus? | 23:52 |
| Brainstorm | 🔶 World: +2498 cases (now 198396), +80 deaths (now 7967), +908 recoveries (now 81747) 🔶 US: +1093 cases (now 6349), +15 deaths (now 106), +89 recoveries (now 106) 🔶 Germany: +110 cases (now 9367), +2 deaths (now 26) 🔸 Algeria: +1 cases (now 61) 🔸 Andorra: +23 cases (now 39) 🔸 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 34) 🔸 Bahrain: +7 recoveries (now 88) [... want %more?] | 23:52 |
| xrogaan | They're increasing their debt, which still hasn't recovered since 2008. So we're in for a big problem. | 23:53 |
| xrogaan | bigfluff: in the US, around 2 trillions injected in the stock markets in a week or two. | 23:53 |
| Timvde | What's that counter actually? | 23:53 |
| Timvde | 15 minutes ago, it said +282 with the same total | 23:54 |
| LjL | Timvde, i am not sure, i am seeing the numbers act a little odd | 23:54 |
| LjL | like World: +282 cases (now 198386) and then 🔶 World: +2498 cases (now 198396) | 23:54 |
| LjL | i'm pretty sure that does not add up | 23:54 |
| pagetelegram | I reside in a nursing home and providing the nursing home residents and staff broadcast of CSPAN radio on part 15 FCC 200 ft range on 89.4 mhz....CSPAN is becoming very repetative. I am looking for other source recommendations like anything from FEMA or DoD that I can pipe through the FM. Any suggestions? | 23:54 |
| LjL | i think i will make the bot discard numbers if they are smaller than the number it had before | 23:55 |
| Timvde | Oh, I misread, I thought the total was actually the same | 23:55 |
| pagetelegram | current stats from my screen of JH engineering: https://i.imgur.com/hXSFFbo.png | 23:56 |
| Timvde | dividediff[m]: I saw an article of a healthy 30-something year old who was in critical condition | 23:56 |
| Timvde | Sure, it's way less lethal for young people, but you can easily be hit by bad luck anyway | 23:56 |
| Timvde | But no, I'm not making any arrangements | 23:56 |
| pagetelegram | You can get hit more than once and two week incubation period where no symptoms but contagious | 23:57 |
| Timvde | LjL: that & shouldn't be escaped | 23:57 |
| Timvde | The url is broken, it works if I replace it with just & | 23:57 |
| pagetelegram | A nursing home in IL reportedly had one person with symptoms; the others were tested and a very large number had the virus and no symptoms | 23:57 |
| LjL | Timvde, i can't do anything about that, it's Matrix's own RSS bot service | 23:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:44 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: hoarding is 'un-Australian' and must stop, Scott Morrison says – latest updates: Australians abroad warned to come home now as borders and airports close; new Covid-19 tests kits available but not yet in Australia. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NewT2e | 23:58 |
| LjL | Timvde, well, i guess i can move it to Brainstorm | 23:58 |
| Timvde | I suppose its source is somewhere too? | 23:58 |
| pagetelegram | Only hording I'm doing is with water, filtered and copper stored | 23:58 |
| LjL | Timvde, probably, but i don't know, it's not something you run locally like IRC bots | 23:58 |
| Timvde | Pff, all this new, complicated stuff :P | 23:59 |
| Timvde | IRC was easy! | 23:59 |
| dividediff[m] | Timvde: it's rare, like 0.2% death rate in 20-29, but the 20-29s are more likely to spread it. They also can still get ICUed at a higher rate unknown to me | 23:59 |
| Timvde | LjL: This one? https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bot/feedbot | 23:59 |
| pagetelegram | Is there any evidence that this virus has ability to mutate? | 23:59 |
| dividediff[m] | pagetelegram: Do we have a rate on reinfection rates? | 23:59 |
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