| alohaferret | so this channel popped up recently i assume | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| dunnp | did a trip about 1.5 weeks ago and still looks good | 00:01 |
| [itchyjunk] | No, it's been here for few years. | 00:01 |
| dunnp | going to try butcherbox | 00:01 |
| Albright | Oh, hm. I have a fever. Interesting. | 00:01 |
| [itchyjunk] | What's a butcher box? | 00:01 |
| alohaferret | i could do 1 stop for dry goods, but meats and stuff i need to refill | 00:01 |
| dunnp | https://www.butcherbox.com/ | 00:01 |
| dunnp | they send you meat | 00:02 |
| [itchyjunk] | ah | 00:02 |
| python476 | Albright: i accept your bitcoins as legacy | 00:02 |
| [itchyjunk] | Rich people food. | 00:02 |
| alohaferret | yea if i was rich i'd do it | 00:02 |
| alohaferret | and in the states | 00:02 |
| python476 | any shortness of breath Albright ? | 00:02 |
| Albright | python476: You want my BTC *now?* Heh. | 00:02 |
| alohaferret | i've been telling people to get canned sardines | 00:02 |
| Albright | python476: No, and no coughing. | 00:02 |
| Albright | I'm gonna start a log. | 00:03 |
| dunnp | grass fed! and it is frozen and mailed to you | 00:03 |
| [itchyjunk] | Fancy. | 00:03 |
| ryouma | why sardines | 00:03 |
| alohaferret | low mercury, lasts long time, decent calcium:phosphorous | 00:04 |
| alohaferret | i dont like sardines so much so it's a no go | 00:04 |
| ryouma | what about anchovies | 00:04 |
| python476 | Albright: yeah, best wishes | 00:05 |
| alohaferret | anchovies are good i guess but too salty | 00:05 |
| python476 | also consider vit d pills | 00:05 |
| python476 | might help | 00:05 |
| python476 | see you tomorrow | 00:05 |
| Albright | python476: I do already take a daily multivitamin. | 00:05 |
| python476 | may gods of zen and flat curves be with us | 00:05 |
| python476 | Albright: all the better :) | 00:05 |
| alohaferret | i made a list of 7 virus remedies, could all be b.s. though | 00:05 |
| [itchyjunk] | Probably is. | 00:06 |
| python476 | ++ | 00:06 |
| alohaferret | one that i dont think is b.s. is nebulized iodine, got it from a u.k. doctor youtube video | 00:06 |
| [itchyjunk] | U.K's doctors youtube video. | 00:06 |
| [itchyjunk] | Those are the most reliable ones, i hear. | 00:07 |
| alohaferret | united kingdom | 00:07 |
| Albright | Colloidal silver, Miracle Mineral Solution, and Super Male Vitality will cure you right up | 00:08 |
| alohaferret | chlorine dioxide i'm in | 00:09 |
| Albright | Oh, and Jilly Juice, but we're all drinking that one already, am I right? | 00:09 |
| alohaferret | had to google jilly | 00:09 |
| Albright | That woman has a freaking body count. | 00:10 |
| alohaferret | oh it's sauerkraut | 00:10 |
| alohaferret | germans already on that. next | 00:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 23:09 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Ecco la lista delle aziende ritenute necessarie. — from WHO at 23:09: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/ICCyXs | 00:11 |
| Albright | alohaferret: It's the brine, specifically. It's basically drinking a whole lot of saltwater. | 00:11 |
| Albright | Which is not a good thing for even a healthy person to do. | 00:12 |
| Albright | You get dehydrated, and you also get diahorrea which dehydrates you more. | 00:12 |
| alohaferret | caveat emptor | 00:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 23:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: (noto che la lista di sole24 non è al 100% confermato, domani verrà pubblicato la lista ufficiale) — from WHO at 23:10: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/l9S2LC | 00:17 |
| alohaferret | [itchyjunk]: were you on a crypto channel you seems familiar | 00:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: government to unveil $66bn stimulus package as cases pass 1,000 – latest updates — from WHO at 23:19: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 00:23 |
| [itchyjunk] | alohaferret, yes. | 00:25 |
| LjL | This is the list of work activities that will still be allowed in Italy, unofficial for now, since it has not yet appeared on Gazzetta Ufficiale, but it has been published by a reputable newspaper (Il Solve 24 Ore), so here it is: https://is.gd/DaKC83 (this is a Google Translate long link to keep the original + English) | 00:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:24 UTC: Coronavirus cases top 300,000 worldwide as US becomes one of worst hit countries: As of Saturday, there were more than 24,000 cases of coronavirus across the country, according to data from Johns Hopkins University, making the U.S. one of the worst hit countries in the world since the virus outbreak began in December in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/0BbHaq | 00:29 |
| LjL | whoops, i think that's cut off :\ | 00:29 |
| LjL | just google translate https://www.ilsole24ore.com/art/conte-testo-italia-positivi-quasi-43mila--mappa--decisione-l-incontro-le-parti-sociali-ADAPZ3E if you want to see it | 00:30 |
| alohaferret | you're a rogeteer? | 00:33 |
| LjL | %w rogeteer | 00:36 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, I haven't loaded the spellchecker yet, I'll tell you in a minute! | 00:36 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, English spelling suggestions: roger, teeter (myspell/en*) — Roget, racketeer, Roger, roger (aspell/en*) | 00:36 |
| LjL | alohaferret, what's that mean | 00:36 |
| alohaferret | asking [itchyjunk] if he was in the roger crypto channel | 00:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: government to unveil $66bn stimulus package as cases pass 1,000 – latest updates — from WHO at 23:35: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 00:41 |
| LjL | alohaferret, you can use private messages for private business... you didn't even highlight them, how's anyone to know it's directed to them? | 00:43 |
| redlegion | Anyone heard anything about a shelter in place order possibly coming for Michigan? | 00:46 |
| redlegion | I know Whitmer said she’s totally opposed to the idea. | 00:47 |
| LjL | i haven't, but they certainly seem to be rising in number across the US | 00:47 |
| alohaferret | thank god things are not peaking during extreme cold and ice | 00:48 |
| HeXiLeD | looks like in 20 or less days, the US will have more cases than italy | 00:49 |
| LjL | i'd guess less | 00:50 |
| AimHere | HeXiLeD, how do you work that out? | 00:50 |
| LjL | the US is spiking very fast, likely because of undertesting before | 00:50 |
| LjL | but... the US is also like 5x the population of Italy, so, not exactly comparable | 00:50 |
| LjL | some of the states are also quite geographically separate (no travel restrictions though... and those may be hard to implement in the US) | 00:51 |
| HeXiLeD | the US is now in 4th place. right? | 00:51 |
| HeXiLeD | lets wait and see. | 00:51 |
| HeXiLeD | it is not just testing. | 00:52 |
| AimHere | Yeah. 3rd by tomorrow | 00:52 |
| HeXiLeD | lot a arrogance too. | 00:52 |
| AimHere | But currently, Italy has more cases per day than the USA | 00:52 |
| LjL | wait, i thought you meant that in 20 days you'd have the same numbers we have *now* | 00:52 |
| AimHere | It's hard to tell when Italy will peak | 00:52 |
| LjL | not the same numbers we'll have... in 20 days | 00:52 |
| LjL | that would be very difficult to estimate | 00:52 |
| HeXiLeD | i also believe that who ever has better control in the cases and recovers fast, will probably control the economy after this problem. Looks like the power will be in the hands of china | 00:52 |
| AimHere | I'd guess that you're talking about 7 or 8 days to overtake Italy's current case total | 00:53 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, well, Italy is certainly going to be indebted with China since few others are sending us any medical equipment / PPEs | 00:53 |
| HeXiLeD | tomorrow or the next day, the US might be above Spain. | 00:53 |
| AimHere | If that | 00:53 |
| AimHere | Maybe 4 or 5 | 00:53 |
| HeXiLeD | i lean to less than 20 days but... lets go with 20 days until the US wins the 1st place | 00:54 |
| HeXiLeD | after all arent they the number one at EVERYTHING ? | 00:54 |
| redlegion | I think it’s safe to say we’re not doing everything we need to do to flatten the curve. China is definitely beating us. | 00:55 |
| pagetelegram | Here is an audio bit on early prevention....it festers in your throat before it reaches your lungs: https://hand.is/corona/treatbeforeitstoolate.mp3 | 00:55 |
| HeXiLeD | redlegion: agreed | 00:55 |
| redlegion | So depressing. | 00:55 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: honestly i dont think china should even think about charging 1 peny to Italy | 00:57 |
| LjL | in what universe | 00:57 |
| HeXiLeD | i feel for italy honestly i feel really bad and given the fact that i dont give a shit about anything... that coming for me... is a lot | 00:58 |
| HeXiLeD | There are wars that kill less people. | 00:58 |
| LjL | but it would be naive of me to expect China to just give us these things for free | 00:58 |
| LjL | they'll want to be repaid in terms of having us under control later | 00:58 |
| LjL | it's basic geopolitics, it's just what happens | 00:58 |
| HeXiLeD | let hope not. | 00:58 |
| xrogaan | China's plan is to rack in good will, as the US drown in hysterical nationalist nonsense. | 00:58 |
| LjL | %wik Unequal treaties | 00:58 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: Unequal treaty is the name given by the Chinese to a series of treaties signed between the Qing dynasty and various Western powers and the Empire of Japan during the 19th and early 20th centuries. All these treaties were concluded after China suffered military defeats or threats by foreign imperialist powers. → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty | 00:58 |
| LjL | the West did it before with China (and Japan) | 00:58 |
| LjL | trust they have not forgotten this | 00:59 |
| HeXiLeD | well... this case is a bit different. | 00:59 |
| LjL | maybe | 00:59 |
| LjL | i don't think thye'll see it that way | 00:59 |
| xrogaan | The Chinese already own quite a lot of ports around Europe, and our dear leaders stopped raising a stink over Tibet. | 00:59 |
| LjL | xrogaan, and they recently secured a ports & more deal with Italy | 00:59 |
| HeXiLeD | i honeslty hope that china does not even think a charging a peny to italy and to many other countries. I think it will cause world wide rage against china | 01:00 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, you can stop hoping that... it was *already* revealed there are contracts, for money, for many of the things they are sending us | 01:00 |
| xrogaan | HeXiLeD: nice documentary to watch on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhMAt3BluAU | 01:00 |
| LjL | of course we can't pay today, or even tomorrow | 01:00 |
| LjL | but they won't be like "oh nevermind that, you can pay us never" | 01:00 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: no one will be able to pay. even the next generation will not | 01:00 |
| LjL | and that's exactly what they'll count on | 01:01 |
| LjL | perpetual, or at least indefinite, control by debt | 01:01 |
| xrogaan | It isn't about Trump, despite the name of the video, but how Trumpian politics favors the CCP. | 01:01 |
| HeXiLeD | well.. i prefer not to speculate. | 01:01 |
| HeXiLeD | xrogaan: i will check | 01:01 |
| LjL | then don't "speculate" that they won't ask us to pay, when there are *contracts* | 01:01 |
| LjL | because that's even wilder speculation | 01:01 |
| HeXiLeD | i did not. I said I hope. | 01:01 |
| HeXiLeD | ;) | 01:02 |
| LjL | well, you have hope, i have very realistic speculation | 01:02 |
| LjL | i'll put them on a balance | 01:02 |
| HeXiLeD | that is fine. as i said. i did not speculate. | 01:02 |
| LjL | and i did not hope without a basis to do so... okay okay i'll stop | 01:03 |
| HeXiLeD | well we different views. that is fine. | 01:03 |
| LjL | but hell no i won't. we're all filled with hope. i've heard more "i hope" in the past few weeks than ever in my life... and then, governments don't DO the things we should hope for | 01:03 |
| LjL | hopes don't stop viruses, effective lockdowns do | 01:03 |
| LjL | China had effective lockdowns. we are not. | 01:03 |
| HeXiLeD | i was also seeing a talk about matters like these were some experts believe that who ever finds the cure, will not be able to cash on it because... no one as $ to pay or can afford it. I have not made a judgement yet. | 01:04 |
| HeXiLeD | agreed that hopes don't stop viruses, effective lockdowns do. | 01:04 |
| LjL | thinking of international debt in simple terms of "cash" may be a tad misleading. governments can print money, that doesn't make it "real" in multiple ways | 01:04 |
| LjL | international debts, especially when they are *large*, are about geopolitical balance | 01:05 |
| LjL | and this is not speculation, it's just how things work between states | 01:05 |
| xrogaan | We've been in an economy of debt for quite a long time. | 01:05 |
| LjL | italy has a huge "debt", and every year, we "make more debt", and the EU is all like "gnnnnh you can't, not this year!" and we're like "but just a little more?" - do you think it could work this way with an individual person's debt? at least, would it for long before someone breaks their legs? | 01:06 |
| HeXiLeD | i never said that they would. actually i should not have used the word hope since hope the quintessential human delusion and potential weakness. I should have said, it will be good that they dont dare to charge or the world will enrage. | 01:06 |
| LjL | well, personally, i won't be mad at them, because they are selling us goods that are worth their weight in gold as someone said, and they are *prioritizing* us over other countries, at this time | 01:07 |
| LjL | that's more valuable than giving them for free | 01:07 |
| LjL | because if we don't have them now, we die | 01:07 |
| xrogaan | LjL: it's not only the EU, the regulators wants to reverse the tendency and remove debt. Except that if they stop printing money to cover the extra debt, the markets goes crashing. | 01:07 |
| LjL | if you want to be angry because they ask us to pay for it later, as stated in our contracts, then be angry... but don't feel weird if we (italy) don't join in with your anger | 01:08 |
| xrogaan | A nation's debt is just a nation guarantying its industry's back by "buying" the industry's debt. | 01:08 |
| redlegion | Is anyone updating data as received rather than twice or once daily like JHU? | 01:08 |
| xrogaan | And it's supposed to be backed by the people of the nation, except that it's not longer the case. | 01:08 |
| LjL | BamBaRay36, why don't you just join the conversation in the channel? o.O | 01:09 |
| LjL | redlegion, yes, the site linked in the channel topic is doing it more often (and so are the bots here) | 01:09 |
| xrogaan | Stock markets are speculative, it's not really based on actual value produced by the companies. Example: tesla never made a profit, but gets tons of investment. That means there is a debt somewhere. | 01:10 |
| HeXiLeD | well.. maybe i am wrong. but i have worked with lots of italians. Most older than me and born and raised in italy. From the north to the south all the way to sicily. knowing the italian temper... i have doubts about the level of how much level of upsetness wil not happen | 01:10 |
| LjL | fair enough | 01:10 |
| LjL | i only live here, barely get outside | 01:11 |
| HeXiLeD | ;) | 01:11 |
| LjL | i am certainly not a representative sample | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:09 UTC: Apple updated Siri to help people who ask if they have the coronavirus: Apple appears to have updated on Siri on Saturday to help users who are wondering whether they have COVID-19 — from WHO at 00:09: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/d1gfgn | 01:11 |
| LjL | breaking news! breaking news! meh | 01:11 |
| HeXiLeD | well.. for example i dealt with many people from sicily and calabria and if those can be a sample... well well.. it is going to be interesting | 01:12 |
| xrogaan | define many. 10? 100? 10000? | 01:12 |
| xrogaan | How representative is your sample? | 01:12 |
| redlegion | LjL: thanks | 01:12 |
| HeXiLeD | cultural speaking xrogaan huge | 01:13 |
| xrogaan | Do they all come from the same area, and thus relatively same local culture? | 01:13 |
| aradesh | actually getting my dad to take coronavirus a bit more seriously | 01:13 |
| aradesh | i think the fact his church closed, and the pubs closed, helped bring it home for him | 01:13 |
| HeXiLeD | xrogaan: north is different than the south. More balanced | 01:13 |
| xrogaan | Italy is like France, they're called Italian, but history will tell you otherwise. | 01:13 |
| HeXiLeD | south... lets say "VERY passionate" about whatever | 01:13 |
| [_] | alohaferret, i was in roger crypto yes. | 01:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:10 UTC: (news): NYC restaurants face mass layoffs as coronavirus cripples economic life: 'This is a crushing blow' — from WHO at 00:10: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/LdfwUe | 01:17 |
| xrogaan | LjL: the problem with the current crisis is that a lot of businesses will crap out and go bust. Those won't come back right away, which will further tank the economy. So we have tons of injection of money into the system right now, which is also bad. | 01:17 |
| LjL | i know, it'll all be terrible | 01:18 |
| LjL | i don't want to think too much about it now | 01:18 |
| LjL | i want people to stay alive now | 01:18 |
| LjL | ideally including me and my family | 01:18 |
| HeXiLeD | mass layoffs will be all over. at some point no one will money to buy stuff. | 01:18 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, well, i'm not from the south, and the huge cluster, for now, is also not in the south | 01:19 |
| HeXiLeD | *have | 01:19 |
| LjL | it's right here, in Lombardy, in Milan | 01:19 |
| xrogaan | Well, you'll probably fine if you're a plumber :P | 01:19 |
| LjL | and if anything, i saw an article analyzing Google Trends | 01:19 |
| fructose | USA beating Spain! In your face, Spain! USA! USA! USA! | 01:19 |
| LjL | it showed that in the early days of Lombardy's lockdown, people searching for "coronavirus" were mostly from the noth | 01:19 |
| LjL | but people searching for "hand sanitizer" were mostly from the south | 01:19 |
| HeXiLeD | lol xrogaan and true. I am not but i have 4 careers for options | 01:19 |
| LjL | and then coincidentally, we had no hand sanitizer except for people selling it for crazy prices on ebay and amazon | 01:19 |
| LjL | so i have honestly something to doubt at this particular time about how much merit there is in the "passion" of southern italians | 01:20 |
| LjL | if this offends somebody, so be it | 01:20 |
| LjL | it's not something i'd say in normal times, but these aren't normal times at all | 01:20 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: hows the production of home made sanitizer? anyone going at it? | 01:20 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, our pharmacy made it and we bought it | 01:20 |
| HeXiLeD | and by the way... anyone cleaning streets like in china ? | 01:20 |
| LjL | many other pharmacies did the same | 01:20 |
| aradesh | yeah, let's worry about the economy later. the people should come first. | 01:20 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, yes, there is some "sanitization" of streets at least in Milan and Turin | 01:20 |
| LjL | it's still a mystery to me, exactly how that helps | 01:21 |
| aradesh | we can cope with smaller economies, it can be hard to swallow, but we can. | 01:21 |
| aradesh | takes adjustment. | 01:21 |
| LjL | i've found it a fascinating mystery since this all started, i'd really like to know | 01:21 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: do you have any info on the products they are using? how to make them? | 01:21 |
| LjL | but people only give me vague theories, i wonder if anyone just knows | 01:21 |
| aradesh | LjL: they did it in china didn't they? and they were quite successful so... | 01:21 |
| aradesh | or maybe it's a matter of, we don't know what else to try, so we might as well do this too | 01:21 |
| xrogaan | aradesh: no more $2k iPhone for us! | 01:22 |
| aradesh | xrogaan: exactly | 01:22 |
| xrogaan | Poor apple, what will they do without income :( | 01:22 |
| HeXiLeD | lol xrogaan | 01:22 |
| [itchyjunk] | Sanitization of street is not simply to kill the virus you're dealing with. | 01:22 |
| aradesh | i was comparing the sizes of GDP per capita to life expectancy... and you get countries like the USA with $60,000 GDP per capita, with a life expectancy of 79, but belarus with a GDP per capita of only $6000 but a life expectancy of 74 | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1460 cases (now 307554), +30 deaths (now 13028), +123 recoveries (now 95290) 🔸 US: +1110 cases (now 25896), +26 deaths (now 316), +5 recoveries (now 176) 🔹 Austria: +39 cases (now 2992) 🔹 Brazil: +150 cases (now 1178) 🔹 Canada: +123 cases (now 1328), +1 deaths (now 19) 🔹 British Columbia, Canada: +76 cases (now 424), +1 deaths (now 10) [... want %more?] | 01:23 |
| aradesh | you can lose a lot of a big economy... but still have reasonable standard of life | 01:23 |
| [itchyjunk] | It's a cleanup of any pathogens that might be around. | 01:23 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, really, about 70% alcohol (denaturated ethanol, or isopropyl) plus 30% water will sanitize your hands, but you'll also want some glycerol to keep them moist, or the alcohol will make them dry. those three things are enough for a liquid hand sanitizer effective against COVID-10. the WHO recommends adding a minimal amount of hydrogen peroxide to limit the risk of bacterial growth. then if you want a gel instead of just liquid, well, i haven't quite | 01:23 |
| LjL | figured that one out, but *pure* aloe gel should work... or some other thickening agent that plays fair with alcohol. anyway, the topic's resources have a link to the "WHO recipe" | 01:23 |
| [itchyjunk] | The idea is that your population has a weaker immune system so a cleaner environment reduces the risk for any pathogen. | 01:23 |
| LjL | <aradesh> LjL: they did it in china didn't they? and they were quite successful so... ← they did what and were successful how? the street sanitizing? | 01:24 |
| LjL | i have no idea if *that* particular thing was successful, and i also have no particular idea what that thing *is* | 01:24 |
| LjL | that's what i want to know | 01:24 |
| LjL | many things can be successful yet useless if you don't know exactly why and how they are being done | 01:24 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: any official recipes on how to make it? i am looking for that info on that | 01:24 |
| xrogaan | what do you mean by success? | 01:25 |
| LjL | so for instance, Italy is "under lockdown", like China in theory, and yet, people now have been asking me why it isn't working. well, because we're not doing it the way China is doing it at all, as these Chinese doctors told us. | 01:25 |
| xrogaan | They still can't properly restart the affected area. | 01:25 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, how is the WHO recipe not official? | 01:25 |
| LjL | i'd say that's about as official as it can possibly get. | 01:25 |
| pagetelegram | prevention abrv: https://i.imgur.com/SFSkszk.png | 01:25 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: i have not seen it. url? | 01:25 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, THE TOPIC | 01:25 |
| LjL | jesus | 01:25 |
| LjL | i keep pointing to the topic, i say it, i repeat it | 01:25 |
| LjL | i've spent time compiling that list | 01:25 |
| aradesh | LjL: yeah. street sanitising was one of the things they did | 01:25 |
| LjL | can you PLEASE read it? | 01:25 |
| [itchyjunk] | It's no different than cleaning a sick persons room. | 01:26 |
| [itchyjunk] | Reduce the number of intermediate surfaces from where the pathogen might jump. | 01:26 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: by the way.. i am not asking about hand sanitizer. i am looking for the product for street cleanup | 01:26 |
| [itchyjunk] | HeXiLeD, you want to know what they clean the streets with? | 01:26 |
| HeXiLeD | yes | 01:27 |
| aradesh | anyways best get to bed. stay safe all! | 01:27 |
| [itchyjunk] | Generally bleach | 01:27 |
| HeXiLeD | basically i need to be able to clean rooms | 01:27 |
| [itchyjunk] | https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-china-dispatches-bleach-trucks-to-spray-down-cities-2020-2 | 01:27 |
| yuriwho | I found an excellent GIS dashboard for Canada https://resources-covid19canada.hub.arcgis.com/app/eb0ec6ffdb654e71ab3c758726c55b68 | 01:27 |
| HeXiLeD | so.. something that can be used in a spray | 01:27 |
| [itchyjunk] | You don't use commercial solutions for home. | 01:27 |
| HeXiLeD | it is not home. | 01:28 |
| [itchyjunk] | You use products that cdc or WHO have recommended. | 01:28 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, oh, i have no idea about the street cleanup. no idea at all, that's what baffles me | 01:28 |
| [itchyjunk] | (reason being you can end up releasing dangerous fumes when working in contained environments.) | 01:28 |
| LjL | it's full of videos everywhere of many countries doing it | 01:28 |
| LjL | yet NO explanation ever of what its exact purpose is | 01:28 |
| [itchyjunk] | There is tons of explanation. | 01:29 |
| LjL | [itchyjunk], can you link me to one then? | 01:29 |
| LjL | because i just think | 01:29 |
| [itchyjunk] | I just linked one | 01:29 |
| LjL | people don't lick street surfaces or signs | 01:29 |
| [itchyjunk] | https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/17/816723575/ships-planes-and-other-spots-are-getting-a-deep-clean-whats-that-mean | 01:29 |
| [itchyjunk] | No, but they suspect that some surfaces might be a vector | 01:29 |
| docwon | cleaning handrails and door handles would be good... | 01:29 |
| [itchyjunk] | like door handle but that you don't know abotu | 01:29 |
| docwon | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWpq5zliENc | 01:30 |
| [itchyjunk] | say maybe people accidently touch a light pole in some street for what ever reason. | 01:30 |
| [itchyjunk] | you'ed never know they did this. but it's crawling with pathogen | 01:30 |
| LjL | hmmm | 01:30 |
| LjL | Spraying cities with bleach is not a very effective way to stop a coronavirus | 01:30 |
| LjL | Seeing lines of disinfecting spray trucks cruising the streets during an outbreak, or wearing a mask as a purely preventative measure (when you're not ill, and not in direct contact with sick people) may help give a false sense of security during an outbreak. But public health experts stress that those moves, which are minimally effective at best, can also direct money, supplies, and attention away from where it's needed most. | 01:30 |
| [itchyjunk] | its probably not the most effective, no. | 01:30 |
| LjL | is this really true? it could have been true at first, a "mostly for show, maybe" thing, but then various countries consistently did it | 01:30 |
| [itchyjunk] | But we dont know how exactly it could spread. | 01:30 |
| LjL | well that's true | 01:31 |
| [itchyjunk] | We assume "majority" of tranmissions is through people to people. | 01:31 |
| [itchyjunk] | We also know that the virus can survive for days on surfaces. | 01:31 |
| LjL | it's sometimes too readily assumed, at least in official explanations to "lay people" | 01:31 |
| LjL | a bit more "we don't know, really" would be truer, and ultimately more helpful | 01:31 |
| [itchyjunk] | 9 days on some surfaces according to some reports. | 01:31 |
| LjL | and i'm sorry i didn't see the link the first time around, and i'm sorry i yelled | 01:31 |
| [itchyjunk] | you're fine | 01:32 |
| LjL | i'll take a few minutes' break | 01:32 |
| [itchyjunk] | its all good question. | 01:32 |
| [itchyjunk] | with very vague "no one really knows" type answer | 01:32 |
| [itchyjunk] | they just hope it helps | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:15 UTC: (news): Read the memo Jeff Bezos sent to Amazon employees about coronavirus safety at warehouses — from WHO at 00:15: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/3Wv1AH | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus updates live: government announces all non-essential travel must be cancelled and an extra $550 a fortnight for the unemployed – latest — from WHO at 00:40: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 01:47 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +230 cases (now 307784), +9 deaths (now 13037), +1 recoveries (now 95291) 🔸 US: +215 cases (now 26111), +8 deaths (now 324) 🔹 Austria: +39 cases (now 2992) 🔹 Brazil: +150 cases (now 1178) 🔹 Canada: +123 cases (now 1328), +1 deaths (now 19) 🔹 British Columbia, Canada: +76 cases (now 424), +1 deaths (now 10) 🔹 New Brunswick, Canada: +6 cases (now 17) [... want %more?] | 01:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:51 UTC: Vice President Mike Pence tests negative for coronavirus: Vice President Mike Pence said Saturday he will get tested for the coronavirus after a member of his office tested positive. — from WHO at 00:51: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/OMmZF0 | 01:53 |
| LjL | hmmmm... i'm not sure the break calmed me down, not according to this anyway | 01:56 |
| LjL | https://framapic.org/zd4XrpYcdbWa/Ob5Pfxt2xaVL | 01:56 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: perhaps you could have a section for arcgis maps in the covid19.specops.network. | 01:56 |
| HeXiLeD | US has now passed to 3rd place | 01:56 |
| LjL | why, they aren't different from other trackers | 01:57 |
| LjL | the trackers i list are all maps basically | 01:57 |
| HeXiLeD | they are specific. | 01:57 |
| HeXiLeD | someone just posted canada. | 01:57 |
| LjL | i have a sub-section for locale specific maps, too | 01:57 |
| HeXiLeD | i seen one for portugal the other day | 01:58 |
| LjL | if canada isn't there yet, then for sure it should be | 01:58 |
| HeXiLeD | maybe there are more | 01:58 |
| LjL | but i must have missed it | 01:58 |
| LjL | well, link and i'll add them | 01:58 |
| LjL | i don't manage to see every single link that goes around | 01:58 |
| HeXiLeD | https://covid19.min-saude.pt/ponto-de-situacao-atual-em-portugal/ | 01:58 |
| HeXiLeD | https://resources-covid19canada.hub.arcgis.com/app/eb0ec6ffdb654e71ab3c758726c55b68 | 01:58 |
| HeXiLeD | scotland https://corona.scot/ (not arcgis tho) | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:57 UTC: Vice President Pence tests negative for coronavirus: Vice President Mike Pence said Saturday he will get tested for the coronavirus after a member of his office tested positive. — from WHO at 00:57: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/OMmZF0 | 02:00 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, i've added the first two. isn't there some UK-wide map with a bit of regional divisons? | 02:02 |
| HeXiLeD | i have not see it. i am looking for country specific argis maps | 02:03 |
| AimHere | https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/f94c3c90da5b4e9f9a0b19484dd4bb14 <- LjL - UK government dashboard | 02:03 |
| oriba | LjL: where do you added those? Which page? | 02:03 |
| LjL | oriba, the usual, but it'll be some minutes before they get picked up (no more than 5 probably) | 02:03 |
| LjL | AimHere, thanks i guess that will do, the Scotland maps seems even a bit too specific | 02:04 |
| AimHere | The Scotland map is a bit more granular for us Scottish users | 02:04 |
| oriba | LjL: covid19.specops.network ?? | 02:04 |
| LjL | yeah | 02:05 |
| oriba | ok | 02:05 |
| oriba | there are some more... I have a lot of those | 02:05 |
| LjL | AimHere, i get it but if i start adding every possible map... i mean, i know counties in the US that have their own county map | 02:05 |
| oriba | yes | 02:05 |
| AimHere | Sure, but Scotland is a country of 5 million people. Same size as Norway | 02:05 |
| oriba | most dashboards use JHU data, but so many local dashboards with only their regional data | 02:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:02 UTC: Vice President Mike Pence tests negative for coronavirus: Vice President Mike Pence said Saturday he will get tested for the coronavirus after a member of his office tested positive. — from WHO at 01:02: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/OMmZF0 | 02:06 |
| oriba | thats a bid strange to me | 02:06 |
| LjL | AimHere, Lombardy has 10 million people, but i don't have subsections for it in the bot :P | 02:07 |
| oriba | Nobody out there to create a complete map ? | 02:07 |
| oriba | Nobody out there to create a complete map for the whole planet? | 02:07 |
| LjL | oriba, well, it's not a map but tinwhiskers's site that we have in the topic does already "merge" multiple separate trackers, such as the data for Italy not being from JHU | 02:07 |
| AimHere | LjL, Lombardy is the Western World's covid petri dish. I think there's a good case for studying that one in depth | 02:08 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 Washington, US: +269 cases (now 1793), +11 deaths (now 94) 🔸 New York, US: +3400 cases (now 11710), +18 deaths (now 60) 🔸 New Jersey, US: +437 cases (now 1327), +5 deaths (now 16) 🔸 Michigan, US: +236 cases (now 788), +2 deaths (now 5) 🔹 Austria: +39 cases (now 2992) 🔹 Brazil: +150 cases (now 1178) 🔹 Canada: +123 cases (now 1328), +1 deaths (now 19) [... want %more?] | 02:08 |
| AimHere | NYC too :) | 02:08 |
| jiffe | so I'm guessing at this point we can assume this to not be seasonal? | 02:08 |
| LjL | i think a balance needs to be struck between providing many useful links, and not *submerging* visitors with too many links. they already kind of... don't read it | 02:08 |
| LjL | jiffe, no we don't know really | 02:08 |
| LjL | but i'd say there is no data to assume it *is* seasonal | 02:09 |
| LjL | i'd lean towards "not seasonal" but that's my guess | 02:09 |
| oriba | eternal | 02:09 |
| LjL | hopefully not | 02:09 |
| LjL | okay so next time the links will be updated there should be separate sections for three continents | 02:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Our COVID links* at 01:08 UTC: ljl-covid: Add UK and divide by continent — from WHO at 01:08: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/SfTs3T | 02:12 |
| jiffe | is there data on how teh virus survival compares to flu in based on climate? | 02:14 |
| [itchyjunk] | We have no had this virus for a year. | 02:15 |
| [itchyjunk] | It seems to be doing the same thing based on it's longitude | 02:15 |
| [itchyjunk] | I have not seen any latitude based data | 02:15 |
| jiffe | yeah but you can create climates in laboratories | 02:16 |
| oriba | I have seen it... someone alanyzed the JHU data | 02:16 |
| oriba | looked interesting | 02:16 |
| RougeR | contingo, | 02:16 |
| [itchyjunk] | we managed to successfully grow it in a petrie dish 3 weeks ago. | 02:16 |
| RougeR | good news and bad news | 02:16 |
| danielp3344 | %data maryland | 02:16 |
| Brainstorm | danielp3344: In Maryland, US, there are 193 cases, 2 deaths (1.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 02:16 |
| [itchyjunk] | Outside of infecting people in lab at different "climate" setting, it don't work. | 02:16 |
| RougeR | bad news coronavirus is ripping through our population unchecked with community spread in jsy | 02:17 |
| RougeR | also gsy now has 17 cases but no community spread | 02:17 |
| LjL | jiffe, a paper was shown to me earlier about temperature correlations | 02:17 |
| [itchyjunk] | Where is jsy? | 02:17 |
| RougeR | good news | 02:17 |
| jiffe | oriba: you have a link? | 02:17 |
| RougeR | activist groups are forming | 02:17 |
| RougeR | government might finally listen | 02:17 |
| RougeR | i am not alone | 02:17 |
| [itchyjunk] | Activism with what purpose ? | 02:17 |
| jiffe | LjL: were there actual correlations? | 02:17 |
| oriba | jiffe: just looking for it | 02:18 |
| RougeR | [itchyjunk], our govenment has still not shut pubs and bars | 02:18 |
| LjL | jiffe, some, but not great | 02:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:13 UTC: FDA grants 'emergency use' coronavirus test that can deliver results in 45 minutes: Cepheid has received emergency authorization from the Food and Drug Administration to use its rapid molecular test for point-of-care patients that can detect coronavirus in 45 minutes. This is the first coronavirus that can be conducted [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/s8d595 | 02:18 |
| LjL | i'm trying to grab the link again | 02:18 |
| [itchyjunk] | Is that UK? | 02:18 |
| RougeR | they refuse to place us on lockdown | 02:18 |
| RougeR | no | 02:18 |
| RougeR | jersey, channel islands | 02:18 |
| RougeR | we have the only bars/pubs/nightclubs open in 1000+ miles | 02:18 |
| [itchyjunk] | Ah | 02:18 |
| LjL | jiffe, https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.18.20036731v1 | 02:18 |
| oriba | jiffe: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/18004719/76095722-c39e0b00-5f92-11ea-8a33-979494f5b2df.png https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/18004719/76108669-01a62980-5fa9-11ea-99a8-51a7cf0425ac.png | 02:19 |
| AimHere | The data is still too sparse to get any good latitude data. Different population densities at different latitudes, and obviously the transmission pattern is uneven | 02:20 |
| [itchyjunk] | Different methods implied by different countries, different infrastructures. | 02:21 |
| [itchyjunk] | The list goes on. | 02:21 |
| LjL | the local WHO official said they'll be working with the government to create a "voluntary" track&trace system based on phones and cell towers... except the "voluntary" part was reiterated and stated by the TV people, but the person never actually said it's going to be voluntary. he only went as far as saying they'll have to consult with the Privacy Authority | 02:21 |
| [itchyjunk] | If I hear of anything similar around me, i'm turning my phone off. | 02:22 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +99 cases (now 307895), +4 deaths (now 13041), +877 recoveries (now 96168) 🔸 Korea, South: +98 cases (now 8897), +2 deaths (now 104), +297 recoveries (now 2909) 🔸 China: +17 cases (now 81321), +2 deaths (now 3261), +583 recoveries (now 72440) 🔹 Austria: +39 cases (now 2992) 🔹 Brazil: +150 cases (now 1178) [... want %more?] | 02:23 |
| AimHere | [itchyjunk], if the government really cared about you, they'd track you with it off | 02:23 |
| [itchyjunk] | Good luck to them. | 02:23 |
| AimHere | Apparenlty one of the surveillance malwares the intelligence service developed would fake being turned off but still track and bug you | 02:23 |
| [itchyjunk] | That uses the little charge left in capacitor to transmit "last see" tower. | 02:24 |
| [itchyjunk] | Removing battery solved the problem. | 02:24 |
| LjL | i don't know why my damned stupid bot isn't listing my changes to the resources page | 02:25 |
| LjL | when i tested it earlier, it worked | 02:25 |
| LjL | now it doesn't | 02:25 |
| jiffe | that graph data is pretty outdated, wonder what it would look like now | 02:25 |
| jhammons | https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd | 02:26 |
| ryouma | i had a cell phone ring or something after removing battery. | 02:27 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +573 cases (now 308468), +15 deaths (now 13056) 🔸 US: +573 cases (now 26685), +15 deaths (now 340) 🔹 Austria: +39 cases (now 2992) 🔹 Brazil: +150 cases (now 1178) 🔹 Canada: +123 cases (now 1328), +1 deaths (now 19) 🔹 British Columbia, Canada: +76 cases (now 424), +1 deaths (now 10) 🔹 New Brunswick, Canada: +6 cases (now 17) [... want %more?] | 02:28 |
| [itchyjunk] | ryouma, maybe. But i'll trust in the laws of physics for now. | 02:28 |
| LjL | jiffe, what graph? | 02:28 |
| jiffe | LjL: the one oriba poasted above | 02:29 |
| LjL | oh, hmm | 02:30 |
| [itchyjunk] | It's way too early for meaningful data from environmental stresses like season and such. | 02:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Our COVID links* at 01:24 UTC: ljl-covid: "Seasonal changes" paper — from WHO at 01:24: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/ydoajw | 02:30 |
| LjL | isn't it only showing a correlation when you look at the extrapolated parts? | 02:30 |
| AimHere | https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/tests-vs-confirmed-cases-covid-19-per-million <- tests-per-capita versus cases-per-capita scatterplot. Pakistan, phillipines, Indonesia and Ukraine look dodgy | 02:31 |
| AimHere | If I'm reading it right, 1 in 4 Pakistanis tested have tested positive | 02:31 |
| LjL | AimHere, seems the Faroe Island know exactly who's going to be positive | 02:32 |
| LjL | India looks totally legit. no tests, no cases. easy | 02:32 |
| jiffe | yeah pretty much, that's why I was curious what the graph would look like now | 02:32 |
| jiffe | and as AimHere mentioned, we'd also have to factor in density | 02:32 |
| ryouma | [itchyjunk]: was in the 1990s. probably capacitors. | 02:33 |
| AimHere | Yeah, I was wondering why they have a relatively high 'per capita' rating on the worldometer page, it's probably because Faroe and Iceland are the ones with the actually accurate testing regime | 02:33 |
| jiffe | a lot of factors really | 02:33 |
| LjL | AimHere, am i dumb or is THE most interesting country for this, South Korea, missing? | 02:33 |
| [itchyjunk] | India has 300 cases in the city areas. | 02:33 |
| AimHere | It's not missing. It's there on the trend line just under Bahrain. | 02:34 |
| AimHere | So it's doing a high amount of testing | 02:34 |
| LjL | AimHere, damn it was totally hidden behind "Slovenia" | 02:34 |
| LjL | but... | 02:34 |
| LjL | they are doing a high amount of testing but also finding a high amount of positives | 02:35 |
| LjL | i was kind of expecting a relatively low rate of positives, considering how extensive their testing has been | 02:35 |
| LjL | Spain seems to be testing a lot compared to what it finds, and yet, it's skyrocketing | 02:35 |
| LjL | well, it's logarithmic, i'm not really used to gauging data like that tbh | 02:36 |
| AimHere | Spain and Italy are likely overwhelmed with people actually dying so they don't need to test randoms | 02:36 |
| AimHere | Yeah, hover over the countries and you get the figures | 02:36 |
| oriba | jiffe: you mean the lattitude stuff? | 02:37 |
| jiffe | oriba: yeah | 02:37 |
| LjL | AimHere, i know for sure that Italy isn't testing randoms | 02:38 |
| LjL | but Korea was worse than Italy for a good while | 02:38 |
| LjL | but they had a grip on it | 02:38 |
| LjL | they may be losing it now, but even if they tried and failed, their try was admirable | 02:38 |
| LjL | Italy is not impressing me | 02:38 |
| LjL | not that it ever has | 02:38 |
| AimHere | I wouldn't use this graph as evidence for that. It is a case that once the cases start to flood, they're switching to only testing people to see if they have to leave hospital | 02:39 |
| LjL | but at least Italy is testing a lot, even if it can't test all people it should | 02:39 |
| LjL | it's testing hospitalized people mainly/only | 02:39 |
| LjL | AimHere, i am not using the graph as evidence for that, i am using being in Italy and following the news as evidence of that | 02:40 |
| AimHere | Right, The graph looks bad for them as a consequence of earlier failures, rather than the testing regime in the graph is the failure itself | 02:40 |
| AimHere | It's the four countries well below par - Pakistan, Phillipines, Ukraine and Indonesia which are the ones to watch | 02:40 |
| LjL | this graph suffer from showing captions only for some countries | 02:41 |
| LjL | i better get the csv | 02:41 |
| AimHere | Bottom tab gives you the data, which is nice | 02:41 |
| fructose | https://i.imgur.com/gvk107P.png | 02:42 |
| LjL | uh the csv is weird | 02:42 |
| AimHere | It looks like a daily tally, though the name of the column is 'Year' which is annoying. | 02:44 |
| AimHere | Just filter everything that isn't day 59, and then delete the regions. | 02:45 |
| LjL | i'll pass, i'm getting a headache and my blood pressure isn't settling | 02:46 |
| oriba | what csv? | 02:47 |
| xrogaan | comma-separated value | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +651 cases (now 309119), +11 deaths (now 13067), +22 recoveries (now 96190) 🔸 US: +384 cases (now 27069) 🔸 Hubei, China: +5 deaths (now 3144), +486 recoveries (now 59432) 🔹 Austria: +39 cases (now 2992) 🔹 Barbados: +8 cases (now 14) 🔹 Brazil: +150 cases (now 1178) 🔹 Cameroon: +13 cases (now 40), +2 recoveries (now 2) [... want %more?] | 02:48 |
| AimHere | oriba, the raw data for 'tests vs cases' graph I linked earlier | 02:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:42 UTC: Coronavirus news updates: concern as Britons defy stay-at-home orders; Italy tightens lockdown: People in the UK flock to seaside towns in defiance of crucial orders to stay at home, as the Australian government bans non-essential domestic travel and flags local lockdowns [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/T00P9L | 02:48 |
| oriba | ok | 02:48 |
| HeXiLeD | just heard about some BBC news report about covid19 to be able to pass to animals/pets (cats, dogs, etc) Any scientific info on that. ( i dont know. just asking) | 02:49 |
| [itchyjunk] | There are 2 documented case both in HK. | 02:50 |
| LjL | oriba, if i click on "Data" that offers me a CSV to download | 02:50 |
| [itchyjunk] | The first dog to test positive died but we don't know the cause of death. | 02:50 |
| LjL | [itchyjunk], bit eerie though that it died a few days after *leaving* quarantine | 02:51 |
| LjL | it's reminiscent of... people who died that way | 02:51 |
| LjL | anecdotal reports of that | 02:51 |
| LjL | released from hospital after a double negative → found dead | 02:51 |
| [itchyjunk] | https://www.marketwatch.com/story/second-dog-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-as-owners-warned-not-to-abandon-pets-2020-03-20 | 02:51 |
| oriba | LjL: yes I have it | 02:51 |
| oriba | I need a bigger screen... :-) | 02:52 |
| [itchyjunk] | Yes, some people have died weirdly post release. | 02:52 |
| [itchyjunk] | But data is sparse on the reason. so can't say anything | 02:52 |
| LjL | oriba, you tell me, 12" here, still an improvement from previous 10" | 02:52 |
| oriba | LjL: wtf | 02:52 |
| LjL | [itchyjunk], yeah, yeah, true. but *lack* of data sometimes makes me feel worse than having data | 02:53 |
| [itchyjunk] | Yes, I am interested in logistic data which no one is releasing. | 02:53 |
| AimHere | [itchyjunk], that article makes some of the cases super-sketchy. One dog is repeatedly tested, eventually gets a 'weak positive', then is tested negative, then leaves quarantine and dies | 02:53 |
| AimHere | and the owner refuses an autopsy. I suspect that's someone trying to surreptitiously rid their home of an unwanted pet | 02:54 |
| AimHere | And then two asymptomatic dogs with one positive test. Probably a false positive | 02:55 |
| [itchyjunk] | The first dog is documented well enough. | 02:55 |
| AimHere | Two dogs sent up, one tests positive, the other doesn't | 02:55 |
| AimHere | No symptoms | 02:55 |
| AimHere | Could be contamination from a human tester, or some other form of false positive | 02:56 |
| [itchyjunk] | Why would a dog show same "symptoms" as human? | 02:56 |
| pepee | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfsdJGj3-jM | 02:56 |
| [itchyjunk] | Sure, could be. | 02:56 |
| [itchyjunk] | Could be any number of things. | 02:56 |
| LjL | AimHere, actually the first dog tested positive twice, AFAIK | 02:56 |
| [itchyjunk] | But we know it tested positive for whatever reason. | 02:56 |
| LjL | i guess it must have tested negative later, or it wouldn't have left the quarantine | 02:56 |
| LjL | but it tested positive twice after a few days under quarantine | 02:57 |
| AimHere | [itchyjunk], this is going to be far from the only tests to see whether dogs can catch the disease. I suspect that there's actual tests trying to give covid to common animals to stave off possible disease vectors | 02:57 |
| [itchyjunk] | LjL, yes 2. | 02:57 |
| [itchyjunk] | We already know dogs can catch some corona viruses. | 02:57 |
| tinwhiskers | AimHere: well, they gave it to monkeys, but I guess they don't count as "common" | 02:57 |
| AimHere | if scientists haven't been trying to give dogs, cats, horses, bats, rats, mice and birds coronavirus, they're not doing their job | 02:57 |
| [itchyjunk] | So it's not a wild idea. | 02:58 |
| [itchyjunk] | There are different types of coronavirus already endemic in other mammals. | 02:58 |
| tinwhiskers | They are testing how long monkey antibodies continue to confer immunity after recovery. So far 30 days. | 02:58 |
| [itchyjunk] | Some infects birds and we've seen some in fish. | 02:58 |
| AimHere | Sure, it's far from impossible for inter-species transmission, and it's almost certain that's how this epidemic started | 02:59 |
| pepee | >Coronaviruses primarily infect birds and mammals, causing a variety of lethal diseases that particularly impact the farming industry [3, 4]. https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12985-019-1182-0#ref-CR3 | 02:59 |
| pepee | someone in another channel gave me that link | 02:59 |
| AimHere | Point I'm making is that if dogs could catch the disease, there'd be a *lot* more noise about it by now, from scientists than just a couple of unclear instances of possible infection in the nonscientific press | 03:00 |
| [itchyjunk] | Not really. | 03:00 |
| tinwhiskers | maybe | 03:00 |
| [itchyjunk] | If dogs don't exibit symptoms, who will be testing dogs? | 03:00 |
| [itchyjunk] | There is 2 cases already. | 03:00 |
| AimHere | [itchyjunk], the scientists who are trying to work out how this disease spreads | 03:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:55 UTC: FDA OKs 'emergency use' coronavirus test, global cases top 300,000: The coronavirus has infected more than 303,180 and killed at least 12,944 worldwide, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. — from WHO at 01:55: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/7xQZ3J | 03:00 |
| [itchyjunk] | Thats who reported the first 2 dogs. | 03:00 |
| [itchyjunk] | Which you dismiss because there aren't enough cases already | 03:01 |
| AimHere | [itchyjunk], yes. My point is that scientists are certainly *actively giving dogs the disease* and coming up negative | 03:01 |
| LjL | personally i'd worry more about my dog coming back home and walking on my surfaces after having walked on street surfaces and sniffed a few trees and butts | 03:01 |
| [itchyjunk] | Citation? | 03:01 |
| AimHere | They're doing it to any animal that's in close contact with humans, because it's one of the imperatives of stopping epidemics | 03:01 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: regarding server speed. No, no particular increase in traffic. Is it slower to load or slower to use? I can't really tell if load times are slow because my connection sucks so badly. | 03:02 |
| AimHere | Well I'm assuming it because it's massively obvious that they would do that, but I'll have a search | 03:02 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, maybe it's just the same with mine :P | 03:02 |
| [itchyjunk] | sars-cov can bind to animal cells in petrie dish. | 03:02 |
| [itchyjunk] | we already know this. | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | animal cells, as in humans? | 03:03 |
| [itchyjunk] | Testing on "companion" animals is illegal in some countries | 03:03 |
| [itchyjunk] | humans and mammels | 03:03 |
| [itchyjunk] | like cats | 03:03 |
| bin_bash | this conversation is still happening? | 03:03 |
| bin_bash | stupid ccp plant cant just drop it | 03:03 |
| AimHere | [itchyjunk], Every country is infected. And we're talking China | 03:03 |
| AimHere | I'm pretty sure they're not huge on animal rights | 03:03 |
| LjL | honestly i think researchers may not be particularly trying to give this to dogs or whatever because... they kind of take it for granted there's no particular reason they couldn't get it | 03:03 |
| [itchyjunk] | AimHere, but no citations though? | 03:04 |
| bin_bash | or human right for that matter AimHere lolol | 03:04 |
| [itchyjunk] | LjL, are you an op here? | 03:04 |
| [itchyjunk] | i'm getting sick of being called "ccp plant" honestly | 03:04 |
| LjL | [itchyjunk], you are right | 03:04 |
| LjL | bin_bash, no name calling, and no ad hominems please | 03:04 |
| LjL | bin_bash, you have something substantial to disagree on, do it | 03:04 |
| [itchyjunk] | https://www.oie.int/wahis_2/public/wahid.php/Reviewreport/Review?page_refer=MapFullEventReport&reportid=33546 | 03:04 |
| LjL | substantive | 03:04 |
| [itchyjunk] | there you go | 03:04 |
| [itchyjunk] | that's the dog report filed at oie | 03:05 |
| AimHere | I don't dispute that a dog was tested positive | 03:05 |
| tinwhiskers | note that it still tests positive 3 days after being in quarantine | 03:06 |
| AimHere | Sure. Could be that the dog was in contact with a human with the virus | 03:06 |
| AimHere | Could be a false positive | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:01 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 45 imported cases, Vice President Mike Pence tests negative: The number of people who have tested positive for the coronavirus, or COVID-19, has crossed 300,000 as the disease continues to spread around the world. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/F8GJpP | 03:06 |
| HeXiLeD | any arcgis map for the US? or this this ( https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en ) the best US info showing location + cases ? | 03:06 |
| jhammons | HeXiLeD: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd | 03:07 |
| AimHere | It's quite possible that coronavirus survives longer on living, warm, animal tissue than most substances, even when it's not infecting the animal | 03:07 |
| jhammons | Sorry, not US-specific. My mistake. | 03:07 |
| LjL | i didn't add any US-specific maps because all the main maps already show the US at state level... | 03:08 |
| [itchyjunk] | it was infected. | 03:08 |
| tinwhiskers | AimHere: that is possible | 03:08 |
| [itchyjunk] | it was nasel swab | 03:08 |
| LjL | well maybe i added one anyway | 03:08 |
| [itchyjunk] | done twice. | 03:08 |
| AimHere | Dogs noses are in contact with people all the time | 03:08 |
| [itchyjunk] | not the surface. | 03:08 |
| tinwhiskers | not while in quarantine | 03:08 |
| [itchyjunk] | Might be easier to read the report. | 03:08 |
| LjL | AimHere, it was tested *twice*, including a positive days *after* it was under quarantine | 03:08 |
| LjL | that shows it was positive | 03:08 |
| LjL | we went over this days ago | 03:08 |
| [itchyjunk] | yup | 03:08 |
| AimHere | tinwhiskers, the virus lives on plastic and steel for 3 days. It'll live longer on warm dogflesh | 03:08 |
| LjL | if you have something to claim that test was flawed, claim that | 03:08 |
| LjL | but use evidence | 03:09 |
| AimHere | Probably | 03:09 |
| LjL | because otherwise, that dog's positive | 03:09 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: is there one? | 03:09 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, one what? | 03:09 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, US map? you just posted one didn't you | 03:09 |
| [itchyjunk] | oie is like world health organization for animals | 03:09 |
| [itchyjunk] | so they are reliable enough for me | 03:09 |
| jhammons | LjL: He was just asking if there was a more accurate or granular one. | 03:10 |
| [itchyjunk] | they did qPCR for the dog | 03:10 |
| LjL | well that map is only state-level but then the data down below is more detailed | 03:10 |
| [itchyjunk] | if it doesn't work for the dog, then it doesn't work for any of us | 03:10 |
| [itchyjunk] | since that's what most of the world is using | 03:10 |
| AimHere | LjL, if there's a lethal disease running rampant among human society, and it's also caught and passed on by dogs, I'd expect by now there's some more evidence than one single clinical result. I'd say a single test in the wild is fairly weak evidence so far | 03:10 |
| LjL | you click on the states, you get counties | 03:10 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: other than that. i was/am looking for arcgis type | 03:10 |
| [itchyjunk] | "by now" | 03:10 |
| LjL | AimHere, TWO TESTS | 03:10 |
| oriba | need to concentrate on some other things... see you tomorrow... | 03:10 |
| [itchyjunk] | 3 months after a new virus emerges. | 03:11 |
| AimHere | LjL, two tests on one dog. | 03:11 |
| LjL | AimHere, yes. i have no idea why you think that two positive, but WEAKLY positive, tests show that somehow there has to be rampant transmission | 03:11 |
| LjL | or else they are flawed | 03:11 |
| LjL | it... doesn't have to be | 03:11 |
| AimHere | There is rampant tranmission of this virus. This virus is lethal. It would be bizarre if scientists weren't conducting tests on dogs to ensure that they're not a significant vector for transmission of the virus | 03:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:11 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: "Bolivia delays May elections as the country enters a total quarantine" https://twitter.com/i/events/1241480175184826368 — from WHO at 02:11: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/UrN209 | 03:12 |
| tinwhiskers | AimHere: it woul dbe bizarre if they wer testing dogs and not publishing those results | 03:13 |
| AimHere | I think it's extremely improbable that scientists have either not tested dogs, or that they're covering up positive tests for dogs with this disease. | 03:13 |
| AimHere | tinwhiskers, it would, though negative results would probably be well-hidden in the specialist literature | 03:14 |
| LjL | AimHere, so you don't think they haven't tested them, and you also don't think they're hiding their results | 03:14 |
| LjL | so... google up some results? | 03:14 |
| AimHere | LjL, do you happen to know where epidemiologists pre-publish negative results before peer review? | 03:15 |
| AimHere | I'm sure if it was a positive result, it would be straight to the media by now | 03:15 |
| [itchyjunk] | Just because we see a species jump from a human to a dog here, doesn't eman its common | 03:15 |
| [itchyjunk] | "someone would have reported it" is a very weak excuse. | 03:15 |
| tinwhiskers | I suspect there is no indication that animals are part of the spread between humans and there's more important things to look at right now than minor vectors | 03:15 |
| [itchyjunk] | this is the report | 03:15 |
| [itchyjunk] | yes, resource constraint is pretty real right now. | 03:16 |
| AimHere | tinwhiskers, there's plenty of CDC and other places stating outright that there's no indication that animals are part of the spread | 03:16 |
| [itchyjunk] | probably not a lot of labs trying to use their PCR machiens for animals | 03:16 |
| [itchyjunk] | citation? | 03:16 |
| [itchyjunk] | CDC doesn't say that | 03:16 |
| LjL | AimHere, https://www.medrxiv.org/ is definitely one place that comes up often | 03:16 |
| [itchyjunk] | CDC says they dont know of any. | 03:16 |
| tinwhiskers | right, so given that why would be be devoting large amounts of time to studying dog transmission? | 03:16 |
| LjL | %title | 03:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.medrxiv.org: medRxiv.org - the preprint server for Health Sciences | 03:16 |
| AimHere | tinwhiskers, because the first thing you do when you see a new virus is find out how it spreads. Does it jump from people to people via dogs, or via fleas or via mosquitos or via touch or via the air | 03:17 |
| LjL | and https://www.statnews.com/ while not publishing papers is kind of on top of this | 03:17 |
| AimHere | That's a super-important thing to find out | 03:17 |
| [itchyjunk] | So your point literally is that a reported case probably isn't real because you think people would report it if it was true. | 03:18 |
| LjL | okay new rule | 03:18 |
| [itchyjunk] | It's on oie.int. | 03:18 |
| HeXiLeD | whats the percentage of people that die while on ventilators? i heard 70%. confirmation? | 03:19 |
| LjL | anybody who wants to talk about dog-related transmission, bring up a paper about it | 03:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from Our COVID links* at 02:13 UTC: ljl-covid: Add fancy North America map — from WHO at 02:13: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/XUgT8N | 03:19 |
| [itchyjunk] | HeXiLeD, very high if you're 50+ | 03:19 |
| HeXiLeD | are there numbers? % ? | 03:19 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, i know that the percentage of "critical" patients who died, in China, was about 50%. i believe that "critical" is mostly defined as requiring an ICU, but then i don't know about ventilators specifically | 03:19 |
| tinwhiskers | The overwhelming epidemiological evidence is for direct human-human transmission and there just aren't situations that indicate otherwise so people likely won't be looking. If there were weird contact-traces that indicated animals were involved they would be looked at, but no such thing exists | 03:19 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, and in turn "critical" patients were around 5% | 03:20 |
| AimHere | [itchyjunk], I think a reported case is likely a false positive rather than strong evidence of coronavirus in dogs, because the first thing people would have done is work out how the virus spreads, including which common animals can get it. | 03:20 |
| LjL | how on earth can it be a false positive when it tested positive, then was quarantined for a few days, then tested positive again? | 03:20 |
| AimHere | tinwhiskers, you don't know what vectors are 'weird contact-traces' until you actually work out how the virus mainly spreads | 03:20 |
| LjL | but i'm breaking my own rule | 03:20 |
| [itchyjunk] | LjL, world vetinary association already sent an advisory week or so ago to say to keep alert for cases | 03:21 |
| tinwhiskers | you do due to case specifics | 03:21 |
| [itchyjunk] | "Currently there is limited evidence that companion animals can be infected with SARS-Cov-2 and no evidence that pet dogs or cats can be a source of infection to other animals or to humansresulting in COVID-19. This is a rapidly evolving situation and information will be updated as it becomes available." | 03:21 |
| [itchyjunk] | https://wsava.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-19_WSAVA-Advisory-Document-Mar-19-2020.pdf | 03:21 |
| [itchyjunk] | AimHere, like LjL said. that's your opinion and doesn't have much of a wait to it. | 03:21 |
| AimHere | LjL, contamination. Or a live virus from a person that survives for a long time on the surface. Studies have shown that the virus lives for 3 days on steel. | 03:21 |
| tinwhiskers | contact tracing reveals overwhelming evidence that it is overwhelmingly human-human transmission without intermediate animal vectors | 03:21 |
| tinwhiskers | erm. I'm overwhelmed with overwhelms | 03:22 |
| [itchyjunk] | "The CDC recommends the following: “You should restrict contact with pets and other animals while you are sick with COVID-19, just like you would around other people. Although there have not been reports of pets or other animals becoming sick with COVID-19, it is recommended that people who are sick with COVID-19 try to limit the amount of contact they have with their pets." | 03:22 |
| AimHere | So if you swab a piece of steel twice in three days, you can test positive. Does that mean your doorknob can 'catch coronavirus' | 03:22 |
| LjL | AimHere, surely they waited an amount of time before the second test that they found appropriate to rule contamination or persistence out | 03:22 |
| LjL | if you think that's not the case, BRING UP PAPERS | 03:22 |
| LjL | otherwise really, enough about this | 03:22 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 03:22 |
| AimHere | LjL, they waited 3 days | 03:22 |
| AimHere | Coronavirus can survive for 3 days elsewhere in the world | 03:23 |
| LjL | --- next topic | 03:23 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm underwhelmed now | 03:23 |
| bin_bash | o no | 03:24 |
| [itchyjunk] | american vetinary assosiations also think the case is true. | 03:24 |
| tinwhiskers | ok, I'm just whelmed | 03:24 |
| [itchyjunk] | https://www.avma.org/sites/default/files/2020-03/covid-19-faq-pet-owners_031520.pdf | 03:24 |
| LjL | at least you're providing evidence to back things up | 03:24 |
| LjL | but can we just... move on from this? | 03:24 |
| LjL | if dogs become an important topic, we'll get to know | 03:24 |
| [itchyjunk] | LjL, it was more than 2 tests. | 03:25 |
| [itchyjunk] | The ACFD repeated the test on February 28, March 2, and March 5 with continued “weak positive” results (nasal and oral sample, nasal sample, nasal sample, respectively). | 03:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:14 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus updates live: government announces all non-essential travel must be cancelled and an extra $550 a fortnight for the unemployed – latest — from WHO at 02:14: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 03:25 |
| [itchyjunk] | 4 total tests all "weak positive" | 03:25 |
| nichos[m] | %data florida | 03:26 |
| Brainstorm | nichos[m]: In Florida, US, there are 659 cases, 13 deaths (2.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:26 |
| tinwhiskers | Does anyone else think the USA is just showing off by having the fastest growth of any country? | 03:26 |
| LjL | [itchyjunk], well, you don't have to convince me, i believe the dog was positive. though that doesn't say anything about chance of transmission to other dogs or to humans | 03:26 |
| LjL | but i believe the dog is positive and it would be quite a stretch, at this point, to believe otherwise | 03:26 |
| nichos[m] | <tinwhiskers "Does anyone else think the USA i"> If you aint first you're last! | 03:26 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, heh | 03:26 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, we made pizza first, they had to put pineapple on it | 03:27 |
| LjL | it's just, you know | 03:27 |
| LjL | america | 03:27 |
| tinwhiskers | I tried to change the topic but I was grasping at straws quite frankly | 03:27 |
| LjL | whatever italy does they take up a bit too much enthusiasm for it | 03:27 |
| LjL | lol | 03:27 |
| LjL | trying appreciated | 03:27 |
| LjL | at some point there's nothing wrong if we're quiet for a few minutes | 03:28 |
| LjL | i, for one, need to relax sometimes, and don't do it enough | 03:28 |
| tinwhiskers | I went fishing but didn't catch anything | 03:28 |
| LjL | i don't think there's anyone in the world right now who can afford to *not* be tense about this all | 03:28 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, that's good for the fish | 03:28 |
| LjL | i hope it was relaxing all the same | 03:28 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm. I guess | 03:28 |
| [itchyjunk] | US is about to hit triple digit deaths a day. | 03:29 |
| LjL | now i'm having a food craving for... i really don't know what | 03:29 |
| LjL | i'm filling myself with lozenges | 03:29 |
| tinwhiskers | It's ok, I caught a 90cm (3.5kg) crocodile needlefish yesterday for dinner tonight | 03:29 |
| [itchyjunk] | I haven't looked at death counts, only at gun sales. :s | 03:29 |
| LjL | at some point i'll overdose on the artificial sweeteners | 03:29 |
| [itchyjunk] | I kid, ofcourse. | 03:29 |
| HeXiLeD | tinwhiskers: hows your footwear? croc leather? | 03:29 |
| xrogaan | The dolphins say: "So long, and thanks for all the fish!" | 03:30 |
| tinwhiskers | just the traditional tongan footwear.... jandals (flipflops?) | 03:30 |
| HeXiLeD | good weather luxury :) | 03:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:29 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Daily update on % changes from the Covid Tracking Project (which is recorded at 4pm): — from WHO at 02:29: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/7fVdgz | 03:31 |
| xrogaan | so with the pet thing, I have a question: does that automatically makes the disease endemic? | 03:33 |
| [itchyjunk] | Huh? | 03:34 |
| HeXiLeD | MP https://www.facebook.com/271379449659508/posts/1851528058311298/?d=null&vh=e | 03:34 |
| [itchyjunk] | What do you think endemic means? | 03:35 |
| xrogaan | Like the flu, appears with recurrent in a specific area? | 03:36 |
| [itchyjunk] | Yes, influenza is endemic in humans. | 03:36 |
| [itchyjunk] | CoV-2 could become endemic. | 03:37 |
| [itchyjunk] | (I suspect that is highly likely at this point) | 03:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:33 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 45 imported cases, India begins curfew: The number of people who have tested positive for the coronavirus, or COVID-19, has crossed 300,000 as the disease continues to spread around the world. — from WHO at 02:33: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/F8GJpP | 03:37 |
| HeXiLeD | are there any cases of suspected auto immunization? ie: a person that is not affected? | 03:45 |
| LjL | xrogaan, why would the pet thing make it endemic? | 03:45 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, you'd have to try really hard to infect someone and fail at it to prove that, wouldn't you? | 03:46 |
| xrogaan | if a pet can carry it, and goes outside, other animal can too. | 03:46 |
| LjL | potentially | 03:47 |
| LjL | but that doesn't make it endemic | 03:47 |
| LjL | it's only endemic when it actually is | 03:47 |
| LjL | maybe the pet doesn't transmit to many other animals, and maybe the R0 in those animals is less than 1 | 03:48 |
| LjL | then it doesn't become endemic | 03:48 |
| [itchyjunk] | It cov-2 stays around for 2 years, i'd call it endemic. | 03:48 |
| [itchyjunk] | or r_0 is 0, even. | 03:48 |
| LjL | what's that 2 year line? | 03:48 |
| [itchyjunk] | MERS had r_0 0 once it got to human | 03:48 |
| LjL | uh? | 03:48 |
| LjL | MERS can be transmitted human to human, can it not? | 03:49 |
| [itchyjunk] | no | 03:49 |
| [itchyjunk] | camel to human | 03:49 |
| [itchyjunk] | it never got the proper mutations to human to human | 03:49 |
| [itchyjunk] | there were some reports of person to person but not any that i remember being verified | 03:49 |
| LjL | There has been evidence of limited, but not sustained spread of MERS-CoV from person to person, both in households as well as in health care settings like hospitals.[11][22] Most transmission has occurred "in the circumstances of close contact with severely ill persons in healthcare or household settings" and there is no evidence of transmission from asymptomatic cases.[23] Cluster sizes have ranged from 1 to 26 people, with an average of 2.7.[24] | 03:50 |
| LjL | i think there have been MERS outbreaks in hospitals that have been rather nasty | 03:50 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: wondering about a person that has been in contact with infected and did not get it | 03:50 |
| LjL | so, limited human-to-human, but it's there | 03:50 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, being in contact with an infected person is not automatically enough to get it, for anyone | 03:50 |
| [itchyjunk] | "A few people have gotten MERS after having close contact with an infected person who had recently traveled from the Arabian Peninsula." | 03:51 |
| LjL | it's probabilities | 03:51 |
| [itchyjunk] | yes but never successfully h2h tranmission | 03:51 |
| LjL | to make *sure* someone is immune, you'd have to expose them to the virus in a very direct way, and make sure the virus has a chance of getting into the system | 03:51 |
| [itchyjunk] | it would jump and die off from what i remember | 03:51 |
| LjL | which is... not something that can be ethically done | 03:51 |
| LjL | [itchyjunk], well that's saying that it doesn't have *sustained* human-to-human transmission | 03:51 |
| [itchyjunk] | well, human to human is poorly documented. | 03:52 |
| LjL | if it transmit from a person to other people (and potentially kills them, which it did), it's still human to human tramisssion | 03:52 |
| LjL | maybe with a low R0, but it's there | 03:52 |
| [itchyjunk] | but species jump was very well documented. | 03:52 |
| [itchyjunk] | "All reported cases have been linked to countries in and near the Arabian Peninsula." | 03:52 |
| [itchyjunk] | https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/about/transmission.html | 03:53 |
| ElectronFrost | %data us | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | ElectronFrost: In all areas, US, there are 26711 cases, 341 deaths (1.3% of cases), 176 recoveries as of March 22, 02:40Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:53 |
| [itchyjunk] | I don't know about recent data but when i read up on it, all the people who got it had come into contact with camels | 03:53 |
| LjL | [itchyjunk], "linked" doesn't mean they weren't human-to-human | 03:53 |
| [itchyjunk] | so it was very hard to confirm h2h | 03:53 |
| LjL | it just means they managed to trace them back | 03:53 |
| LjL | hospitalized people gave it to other hospitalized people | 03:53 |
| LjL | there is evidence of this | 03:53 |
| LjL | it's not poor evidence just because it, thankfully, doesn't happen a lot | 03:53 |
| [itchyjunk] | Idk if that was evidenced later. | 03:54 |
| LjL | okay well i gave the relevant wikipedia section... it comes with multiple citations for anyone to peruse | 03:54 |
| [itchyjunk] | Like i said, last i read on up on this, they didn't have anything conclusive because they couldn't show anyone infected but no contact with camel | 03:54 |
| LjL | [itchyjunk], https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Middle_East_respiratory_syndrome_outbreak_in_South_Korea 186 cases, 36 dead | 03:55 |
| LjL | how is this not conclusive | 03:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus updates live: government calls for cancellation of non-essential travel as NSW and Victoria push for national lockdown of bars and restaurants – latest — from WHO at 02:50: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 03:55 |
| [itchyjunk] | they link to a hospital outbreak. | 03:55 |
| LjL | are they full of camels in korea? | 03:55 |
| LjL | yes, a hospital outbreak | 03:55 |
| LjL | it's not like hospitals don't count as h2h | 03:56 |
| [itchyjunk] | Where everyone who got it had been in contact with camels | 03:56 |
| LjL | ... no? | 03:56 |
| LjL | the patient zero had been in contact with camels | 03:56 |
| LjL | the others hadn't | 03:56 |
| JX7P | %cases scotland | 03:59 |
| Brainstorm | JX7P: 3 lest ah googled (45 seconds ago) | 03:59 |
| LjL | well, it's a bit more than 3 now | 04:00 |
| [itchyjunk] | that wiki doesn't link to any paper confiming mers as h2h i can see. | 04:01 |
| [itchyjunk] | CDC's website says "suspected" h2h but inconclusive | 04:01 |
| [itchyjunk] | "MERS-CoV, like other coronaviruses, likely spreads from an infected person’s respiratory secretions, such as through coughing. However, we don’t fully understand the precise ways that it spreads." | 04:01 |
| [itchyjunk] | https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/about/transmission.html | 04:01 |
| LjL | it's 373 in scotland now, JX7P | 04:01 |
| [itchyjunk] | there is a twiv episode on this, might have to re-listen to refresh my memories | 04:02 |
| LjL | [itchyjunk], sorry, you're just being ridiculous | 04:02 |
| LjL | 180 patients in KOREA don't all get it from CAMELS | 04:02 |
| JX7P | LjL: and i am potentially one of them. still in quarantine after my sister and her bf (who i visited three days before) started showing symptoms last week | 04:02 |
| LjL | i'll let yuriwho or dunnp or someone else say something about the Korean outbreak of MERS obviously being human-to-human | 04:02 |
| [itchyjunk] | cdc is being ridiculous? | 04:02 |
| LjL | no, the CDC never denies it being human to human | 04:02 |
| LjL | it never even denies that it's known | 04:03 |
| JX7P | makes one wonder how big the number could truly be | 04:03 |
| [itchyjunk] | S Korea was doing a lot of cover up. | 04:03 |
| LjL | it says they don't know the ways how it spreads | 04:03 |
| LjL | which could be by air, by contact with fluids, etc | 04:03 |
| [itchyjunk] | They had several different number of infected/dead out at the same time. | 04:03 |
| LjL | all of that is still human to human | 04:03 |
| [itchyjunk] | One of the wiki links talks about this | 04:03 |
| JX7P | given none of us are tested since we're not in apparent danger | 04:03 |
| LjL | [itchyjunk], also, really, i don't like words being put into my mouth such as me saying that the CDC is being ridiculous when i'm not | 04:04 |
| [itchyjunk] | A wiki article that uses S Korea's media report for numbers is hardly "evidence" | 04:04 |
| LjL | don't do that again | 04:04 |
| [itchyjunk] | When did I say you said that? | 04:04 |
| [itchyjunk] | Don't put words in mine. | 04:04 |
| oreg7nhvz[m] | %data england | 04:04 |
| Brainstorm | oreg7nhvz[m]: Sorry, england not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 04:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus updates live: government calls for cancellation of non-essential domestic travel as NSW and Victoria push for national lockdown of bars and restaurants – latest — from WHO at 03:05: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 04:14 |
| bin_bash | %cases parsnippany | 04:20 |
| Brainstorm | bin_bash: Sorry, parsnippany not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 04:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:15 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 45 imported cases, India begins curfew: The number of people who have tested positive for the coronavirus, or COVID-19, has crossed 300,000 as the disease continues to spread around the world. — from WHO at 03:15: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/F8GJpP | 04:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:18 UTC: Australia coronavirus updates live: NSW to shut down non-essential services as Morrison unveils $189bn stimulus – latest: PM calls for cancellation of non-essential domestic travel; extra $550 for unemployed; SA closes borders; and cases in Australia pass 1,000. Follow all the latest developments live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 04:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:45 UTC: (news): Singapore bars entry to all short-term visitors in efforts to reduce imported coronavirus cases — from WHO at 03:45: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/ECpawf | 04:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +286 cases (now 309405), +14 deaths (now 13081), +39 recoveries (now 96229) 🔸 Australia: +214 cases (now 1286) 🔹 Argentina: +67 cases (now 225), +24 recoveries (now 27) 🔹 Austria: +68 cases (now 3021) 🔹 Barbados: +8 cases (now 14) 🔹 Brazil: +150 cases (now 1178) 🔹 Cameroon: +13 cases (now 40), +2 recoveries (now 2) [... want %more?] | 04:53 |
| HeXiLeD | lots of love i see | 04:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:03 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 45 imported cases, India begins curfew: The number of people who have tested positive for the coronavirus, or COVID-19, has crossed 300,000 as the disease continues to spread around the world. — from WHO at 04:03: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/F8GJpP | 05:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:09 UTC: (news): Singapore to bar all short-term visitors in efforts to reduce imported coronavirus cases — from WHO at 04:09: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/ECpawf | 05:15 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, i know but i mean... there's some 200 people who get infected in various hospitals in Korea. from a disease that you get from CAMELS | 05:24 |
| LjL | and he's going to tell me there was no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission? | 05:24 |
| LjL | what happened, were 200 camels smuggled into South Korea and secretly put into hospitals? | 05:24 |
| LjL | i can't deal with that level of daftness. he's generally got some intelligent things to say, but... not this | 05:25 |
| LjL | peterx[m], i mean... yeah, i think we're all well aware we should wash our hands at this point | 05:25 |
| rajrajraj | Hi | 05:25 |
| rajrajraj | What's daftness | 05:25 |
| LjL | the quality of being daft | 05:25 |
| LjL | %w daf | 05:25 |
| LjL | %w daft | 05:25 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, daf — noun: 1. (music) A large frame drum, resembling a tambourine, used to accompany popular and classical music in the Middle East — phrase: 1. (Internet slang, text messaging) Initialism of dumb as fuck → https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/daf | 05:25 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, daft — adjective: 1. (chiefly Britain, informal) Foolish, silly, stupid, 2. (chiefly Britain, informal) Crazy, insane, mad, 3. (obsolete) Gentle, meek, mild → https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/daft | 05:25 |
| rajrajraj | Ok | 05:26 |
| bin_bash | camels did covid | 05:26 |
| LjL | peterx[m], are you just going to post random PSAs? | 05:28 |
| LjL | ok i should be sleeping really | 05:28 |
| LjL | peterx[m], don't just post random PSAs while i'm sleeping please | 05:29 |
| Elmo42 | post them but tag his nick ;-) | 05:31 |
| Elmo42 | https://resources-covid19canada.hub.arcgis.com/app/eb0ec6ffdb654e71ab3c758726c55b68 | 05:31 |
| Elmo42 | this is for all the Canukistanians out there. | 05:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus updates live: NSW and Victoria to shut down non-essential services as Morrison unveils $189bn rescue package – latest — from WHO at 04:25: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 05:33 |
| Elmo42 | what are the thoughts on conspiracies? | 05:34 |
| bin_bash | LjL: is Brainstorm your bot | 05:34 |
| LjL | i'm afraid so | 05:34 |
| bin_bash | it's said that guardian thing like 6 times now | 05:34 |
| bin_bash | it's not new anymore | 05:35 |
| LjL | you're not wrong, but they keep changing the headline | 05:35 |
| LjL | when it changes it posts it again :< | 05:35 |
| bin_bash | well the message is the same thing every time | 05:35 |
| LjL | the bot can't guess that | 05:35 |
| LjL | it's not exactly the same | 05:35 |
| bin_bash | the only thing that changes in the metadata is the timestamp. does it have to pull every time? | 05:36 |
| LjL | look i cannot fix this now, i need to sleep | 05:37 |
| LjL | and i probably cannot fix it ever | 05:37 |
| bin_bash | ok sleep weel | 05:37 |
| LjL | i had removed Guardian | 05:37 |
| LjL | then people asked me to re-add it | 05:37 |
| LjL | now it's bad again | 05:37 |
| LjL | tomorrow someone else will ask me to add it again | 05:37 |
| LjL | i am only a person | 05:37 |
| xrogaan | don't they have a unique ID per article? | 05:37 |
| HeXiLeD | why was it removed? | 05:37 |
| HeXiLeD | xrogaan: yes | 05:37 |
| bin_bash | it can be fixed, you can have the bot parse the metadata sans timestamp and if it matches then dont display, but sleep well it can be dealt with tomrorow. :) | 05:37 |
| LjL | what are the metadata | 05:38 |
| LjL | what aside from the title | 05:38 |
| LjL | because | 05:38 |
| LjL | Australia coronavirus updates live: government calls for cancellation of non-essential domestic travel as NSW and Victoria push for national lockdown of bars and restaurants | 05:38 |
| LjL | Australia coronavirus updates live: NSW to shut down non-essential services as Morrison unveils $189bn stimulus | 05:38 |
| LjL | Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus updates live: NSW and Victoria to shut down non-essential services as Morrison unveils $189bn rescue package | 05:38 |
| LjL | these are not the same | 05:38 |
| bin_bash | the information it sends to the channel | 05:38 |
| bin_bash | hmmm youre right, why was it showing twice | 05:38 |
| bin_bash | i wonder if maybe it was a client issue on my end | 05:38 |
| bin_bash | im tired as well, i can check back tomorrow and see if ti happens again | 05:39 |
| bin_bash | sleep well have nice dreams :) | 05:39 |
| LjL | it does sometimes show literally the same thing twice, but that's usually only when i *restart* the bot in the middle of a news update | 05:39 |
| LjL | most of the rest of the time at least, it's just that these newspapers keep tweaking their headlines | 05:39 |
| LjL | and so the <title> changes in the RSS | 05:39 |
| LjL | maybe they have a unique ID, but then other RSS sources don't, or have it differently, i can't have code that handles all the possible things | 05:39 |
| LjL | they should just not keep changing this stuff | 05:40 |
| LjL | 'night | 05:40 |
| xrogaan | that website is so bad | 05:42 |
| xrogaan | They "publish" an update to a previous article, so it's a new article. No way to find out if it's an update or not. | 05:43 |
| HeXiLeD | https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/21/great-grandma-90-got-coronavirus-hot-spot-home-smiles-beating-illness-12435678/ | 05:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 04:54 UTC: worldnews: Livethread VIII: Global COVID-19 Pandemic — from WHO at 04:54: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/GT6KUD | 05:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:55 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus updates live: NSW and Victoria to shut down non-essential services as Morrison unveils $189bn rescue package – latest — from WHO at 04:55: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 06:03 |
| jacklsw | %data malaysia | 06:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +225 cases (now 309630), +2 deaths (now 13083), +1 recoveries (now 96230) 🔹 Argentina: +67 cases (now 225), +24 recoveries (now 27) 🔹 Aruba: +3 cases (now 8) 🔹 China: +1 cases (now 81346) 🔹 Heilongjiang, China: +1 recoveries (now 466) 🔹 Macau, China: +1 cases (now 19) 🔹 Colombia: +14 cases (now 210), +1 deaths (now 1), +1 recoveries (now 3) [... want %more?] | 06:21 |
| Brainstorm | jacklsw: In all areas, Malaysia, there are 1183 cases, 9 deaths (0.8% of cases), 114 recoveries as of March 22, 05:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 7.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 06:21 |
| ryouma | %data il | 06:32 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Illinois, US, there are 753 cases, 6 deaths (0.8% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 06:32 |
| ryouma | %data ut | 06:32 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Utah, US, there are 136 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 06:32 |
| Albright | So after a nap and a meal and some video games (I'm having a hard time focusing with work), I still have a fever. About 100 F/38.5 C. Still no coofing or breathing trouble and the chills have mostly gone away. If this is COVID-19 it seems to be hitting me fairly mildly, at least so far. | 06:49 |
| rofail | sh damn Albright, how is one supposed to even go about testing themselves for something like that? | 06:50 |
| rofail | there must be so many unconfirmed cases worldwide, identical to your own... | 06:51 |
| Albright | rofail: Yeah, I haven't bothered considering getting tested yet. I will if it gets worse. But for now I'll let the tests be saved for the worse cases and the hypocondriacs. | 06:51 |
| X-Scale | Albright: are you at least practicing self-quarantine ? | 06:52 |
| Albright | X-Scale: I am now. I did a grocery store run earlier today, before I started to think something was up. | 06:53 |
| euod[m] | Albright: well done. | 06:58 |
| sneep | https://slashdot.org/poll/3154/ Nice /. poll | 07:08 |
| Albright | euod[m]: Can't tell if that is sarcastic or not. :P | 07:08 |
| euod[m] | <Albright "euod: Can't tell if that is sarc"> it's not. if there's no need to load already overloaded hospitals.. leave capacity for people who need it. | 07:09 |
| Albright | euod[m]: Oh, that part. Yeah, no worries. | 07:10 |
| euod[m] | if you're actually in trouble that obviously doesn't apply, but I'm sure that hypocondriacs aren't helping. | 07:10 |
| sneep | "I have had a dry cough for over a week and had a fever for a few days at the start. There are three of us in our house and we all have the same symptoms - we all self isolated once the cough started. You don't get tested in the UK unless you have to go to hospital, so , we all presume we have it but have no way of knowing. We are getting better slowly, and our symptoms are not severe, but it is taking a | 07:12 |
| sneep | long time to go away." D: | 07:12 |
| Joe | our house did that a month ago | 07:13 |
| Joe | it wasn't 'here' yet so i dunno | 07:13 |
| sneep | I'm not sure I've ever had a d[4~ry cough | 07:14 |
| sneep | dry* | 07:14 |
| Joe | my wife does, i never did | 07:14 |
| Joe | and we all had the sniffles and very lowgrade fever | 07:14 |
| sneep | Did you get an influenza test? | 07:15 |
| Joe | hardly knew i had a fever unless i took my tem | 07:15 |
| Joe | yes | 07:15 |
| thunderduck | I'm really not sure if there is anything to this but I heard rumors that it hangs in the throat for the first couple days so I've been gargling warm salt water for the hell of it to be proactive. | 07:15 |
| Joe | so did one of the kids | 07:15 |
| Joe | negative/inconclusive. | 07:15 |
| sneep | I had pneumonia once from an unknown cause, but about five years ago | 07:16 |
| rofail | ah shit man, i'm pretty certain walmart altered their 24 hour store's hours to employ mass disinfection... | 07:18 |
| sneep | Wonder if that kind of mass disinfection is actually worth it | 07:18 |
| sneep | Oh, I just remembered something | 07:19 |
| sneep | A lot of people in the US don't take off their shoes when they enter their home, right? | 07:19 |
| Albright | Right. I got in the habit from when I lived in Japan but the rest of my family thought it was weird. | 07:19 |
| sneep | https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%AB:Tradition_of_removing_shoes_in_home.svg Damn | 07:20 |
| sneep | So when you put your feet on the table or something, do you take your shoes off first? | 07:26 |
| Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 947 cases, 21 deaths (2.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:43Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 07:35 |
| Mikaela | %data Finland | 07:36 |
| Brainstorm | Mikaela: In all areas, Finland, there are 523 cases, 1 deaths (0.2% of cases), 10 recoveries as of March 21, 20:43Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Finland for time series data. | 07:36 |
| python476 | hey there | 07:45 |
| python476 | since last night I have slight difficulties breathing | 07:46 |
| python476 | but I have no fever no cough | 07:46 |
| Windshield | HELO | 07:49 |
| Windshield | Anyone know the secretions of the coronavirus? | 07:50 |
| python476 | Windshield: never read about that | 07:54 |
| python476 | some detailed documents have been published | 07:54 |
| Albright | I've heard some victims have diahorrea… that's kind of a secretion. | 08:02 |
| python476 | it's a well mentionned symptom indeed | 08:06 |
| Windshield | I mean the virus, not the host | 08:06 |
| python476 | Albright: hi back | 08:06 |
| python476 | Windshield: oh you want to know what toxins it produces ? | 08:06 |
| Albright | Here's a video about the family in Kentucky who are basically being quarantined at gunpoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uVaf-fRRkM | 08:09 |
| Streaker | I'm no biologist but how would a strand of RNA secrete anything? | 08:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:05 UTC: From mere advice to full lockdown: the week when it all changed: A Tory government nationalising the economy and a country in lockdown marked the end point of a week like no other — from WHO at 07:05: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/j3as5F | 08:12 |
| Joe | Albright: are those the two assholes that refused to quarantine? | 08:13 |
| python476 | Streaker: these viruses only harm comes from the immune / inflammation response triggered ? | 08:13 |
| Joe | if so, F them | 08:13 |
| Streaker | python476: I think so | 08:13 |
| python476 | Joe: if you get angry everytime someone behaves like an idiot you're in for a long ride | 08:13 |
| python476 | Streaker: ok | 08:13 |
| light | python476: here's how it kills you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOJqHPfG7pA | 08:14 |
| cowboycamilo | Retro viruses retro read themselves and become DNA strands, then they incorporate the sequence in the cells dna | 08:14 |
| python476 | but since immunosuppressed are said to be at risk.. it means even without response it impedes your organ in some ways | 08:14 |
| python476 | cowboycamilo: that's the replication mechanism, their cells have no other activity ? | 08:15 |
| python476 | light: thanks, I appreciate seeing my future | 08:15 |
| cowboycamilo | their cells? | 08:16 |
| Streaker | python476: viruses have no cells | 08:17 |
| Albright | Joe: Yes, but it looks like they were never tested for the disease, much less found to have it. | 08:18 |
| python476 | Streaker: ha my bad then | 08:18 |
| Albright | At any rate, they're being held without due process. | 08:18 |
| cowboycamilo | I have been wondering if any sanctions are gonna be put on china?? | 08:19 |
| Joe | medical quarantine has no due process | 08:19 |
| Streaker | cowboycamilo: yup. we should stop buying their pharmaceutical products and medical devices | 08:20 |
| Joe | the cdc and state health officials have broad powers | 08:20 |
| Streaker | and N95 masks | 08:20 |
| Joe | and your freedumb doesn't matter | 08:20 |
| Albright | Maybe yours doesn't but mine sure does. | 08:20 |
| python476 | individualism vs collectivism | 08:24 |
| euod[m] | <cowboycamilo "I have been wondering if any san"> why the fuck? | 08:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:14 UTC: Australia coronavirus updates live: NSW and Victoria to shut down non-essential services as AFL suspends season – latest: Victoria will also shut schools from Tuesday, as PM calls for cancellation of non-essential domestic travel; SA and WA close borders; and cases in Australia pass 1,000. Follow all the latest [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 08:24 |
| python47` | o/ | 09:04 |
| python47` | I really don't appreciate the feeling of low lung flow right now | 09:04 |
| python47` | I found that forcing chest movements helps a lot | 09:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:22 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, mentre eravate via — from WHO at 08:22: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/gCuScw | 09:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:25 UTC: Australia coronavirus updates live: NSW and Victoria to shut down non-essential services as AFL suspends season – latest: Victoria will also shut schools from Tuesday, as PM calls for cancellation of non-essential domestic travel; SA and WA close borders; and cases in Australia pass 1,000. Follow all the latest [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 09:32 |
| Windshield | What about blocking/inhibiting the corona of the virus with a mucin? | 09:33 |
| python47` | mucin ? | 09:34 |
| python47` | stupid question | 09:36 |
| python47` | how about cbd vaporizer ? | 09:36 |
| python47` | cbd is said to be a potent anti inflammatory and also is said to "help" wiping weak lung cells | 09:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:31 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 45 imported cases, India begins curfew: The number of people who have tested positive for the coronavirus, or COVID-19, has crossed 300,000 as the disease continues to spread around the world. — from WHO at 08:31: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/F8GJpP | 09:39 |
| sandro_ | %data germany | 09:47 |
| Brainstorm | sandro_: In all areas, Germany, there are 22364 cases, 84 deaths (0.4% of cases), 239 recoveries as of March 22, 02:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 09:47 |
| xrogaan | python47`: the problem isn't the inflammation, but your white cells going out of control. | 10:06 |
| xrogaan | They get infected by the virus and go haywire, which generate inflammation. But also damage the lung tissue. | 10:07 |
| xrogaan | Eventually, your body clean itself of all that crap, but you're then left in a diminished state which secondary infection takes advantage off, killing you. | 10:08 |
| python47` | xrogaan: thanks for the data | 10:13 |
| python47` | are all cells infected equally btw ? | 10:13 |
| python47` | or white cells more so because they flock to pathogens ? | 10:13 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Colombia | 10:28 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Colombia, there are 210 cases, 1 deaths (0.5% of cases), 3 recoveries as of March 22, 09:15Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Colombia for time series data. | 10:28 |
| mefistofeles | first death confirmed, indeed | 10:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:21 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, attività aperte e chiuse: ecco le nuove misure - la Repubblica — from WHO at 09:21: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/vrSIJt | 10:29 |
| cryptodonkey | %cases Australia | 10:29 |
| Brainstorm | cryptodonkey: In all areas, Australia, there are 1286 cases, 7 deaths (0.5% of cases), 46 recoveries as of March 22, 09:15Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Australia for time series data. | 10:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:28 UTC: Coronavirus updates live Australia: Scott Morrison says NSW and Victoria must clarify 'non-essential services' – latest: Victoria will also shut schools from Tuesday, as PM calls for cancellation of non-essential domestic travel; SA and WA close borders; and cases in Australia pass 1,000. Follow all the latest [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 10:35 |
| Timvde | Wait, Italy is only _now_ closing non-essential businesses? | 10:42 |
| sneep | https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-22/venezuela-to-close-pumps-as-gas-runs-short-viral-outbreak-grows Weird, what's going on in Venezuela | 10:47 |
| TechNoCity | https://www.techradar.com/news/an-open-source-respirator-could-help-fight-coronavirus | 10:53 |
| Arsanerit | So blue the sky! | 10:58 |
| TechNoCity | https://gitlab.com/open-source-ventilator/OpenLung | 11:00 |
| aradesh | morning all | 11:03 |
| aradesh | i'm watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gku7mdTS8cc | 11:03 |
| TechNoCity | https://opensource.com/article/20/3/open-hardware-covid19 | 11:03 |
| aradesh | "Coronavirus: What if we did NOTHING?" is the title | 11:03 |
| aradesh | wow. the UK government's relief package for the coronavirus is going to cost £350 billion... which they don't have, by the way. | 11:07 |
| azy | sure we do http://brrr.money | 11:07 |
| Arsanerit | they can create it | 11:07 |
| azy | BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR | 11:07 |
| jacklsw | from the internet it says uk still carry on with concert and marathon | 11:07 |
| jacklsw | is that true? | 11:08 |
| azy | i doubt it | 11:08 |
| Arsanerit | and usually those relief packages are guarantees to calm the markets, not necessarily actual money | 11:08 |
| aradesh | jacklsw: no i think they postponed the london marathon to october, and they cancelled glastonbury festival | 11:12 |
| jacklsw | great | 11:14 |
| jacklsw | this went through though: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-51893095 | 11:14 |
| mefistofeles | %title | 11:15 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From www.bbc.com: Coronavirus: Bath half marathon goes ahead despite backlash - BBC News | 11:15 |
| azy | other than the start, you're not really in a crowd | 11:16 |
| azy | and you know everyone who turned up feels good | 11:17 |
| azy | outside etc... aint so bad | 11:17 |
| mefistofeles | azy: yeah | 11:22 |
| jacklsw | yeah usually close contact with other participants at the starting line | 11:27 |
| jacklsw | in malaysia the spread got worst with the religious gathering | 11:28 |
| aradesh | jacklsw: that's not good | 11:30 |
| aradesh | jacklsw: though 1 week ago, we were not taking it so seriously... this week, i'm sure it would not be allowed | 11:30 |
| mefistofeles | clusters in China and SK are also related to churches/religion | 11:30 |
| jacklsw | any form of gathering must be stopped now | 11:30 |
| mefistofeles | even in hospitals!! | 11:31 |
| mefistofeles | xD | 11:31 |
| jacklsw | most spreads are now contributed by the people of the abrahamic religions | 11:31 |
| mefistofeles | jacklsw: I don't think that's true | 11:31 |
| pwr22 | <Brainstorm "mefistofeles: From www.bbc.com: "> THis was some time ago now | 11:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:27 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Sport — from WHO at 10:27: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/UN0yBA | 11:32 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +279 cases (now 309932), +2 deaths (now 13085), +10 recoveries (now 96240) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔹 Austria: +3 cases (now 3024) 🔹 China: +45 cases (now 81393) 🔹 Hong Kong, China: +44 cases (now 317) 🔹 Hubei, China: +1 recoveries (now 59433) 🔹 Liaoning, China: +2 recoveries (now 124) [... want %more?] | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:28 UTC: Coronavirus updates live Australia: pubs, clubs and cinemas to close, schools stay open – latest: Australian prime minister calls for cancellation of non-essential domestic travel; Victoria to shut schools from Tuesday; SA and WA close borders; and cases in Australia pass 1,000. Follow all the latest news live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 11:38 |
| Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 11:45 |
| Brainstorm | Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 947 cases, 21 deaths (2.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:43Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 11:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:42 UTC: Coronavirus updates live Australia: Scott Morrison announces pubs, clubs and cinemas to close, schools stay open – latest: Australian prime minister calls for cancellation of non-essential domestic travel; Victoria to shut schools from Tuesday; NSW and Vic close non-essential services; SA and WA close borders; and [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/E6kVQs | 11:57 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +3076 cases (now 313008), +4 recoveries (now 96244) 🔸 Spain: +3076 cases (now 28572) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔹 Austria: +3 cases (now 3024) 🔹 China: +45 cases (now 81393) 🔹 Hong Kong, China: +44 cases (now 317) 🔹 Hubei, China: +1 recoveries (now 59433) 🔹 Liaoning, China: +2 recoveries (now 124) [... want %more?] | 12:06 |
| Birosso | %cases germany | 12:16 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Germany, there are 22364 cases, 84 deaths (0.4% of cases), 239 recoveries as of March 22, 02:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 12:16 |
| Birosso | %cases italy | 12:17 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Italy, there are 53578 cases, 4825 deaths (9.0% of cases), 6072 recoveries as of March 21, 17:43Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 12:17 |
| xrogaan | python47`: I don't know? | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +246 cases (now 313254), +1 deaths (now 13086), +65 recoveries (now 96309) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔹 Austria: +3 cases (now 3024) 🔹 Bahrain: +22 cases (now 332), +24 recoveries (now 149) 🔹 Bulgaria: +8 cases (now 171) 🔹 China: +46 cases (now 81394) 🔹 Chongqing, China: +1 cases (now 577) [... want %more?] | 12:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:18 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Spain death toll passes 1,700, India begins curfew: The number of people who have tested positive for the coronavirus, or COVID-19, has crossed 300,000 as the disease continues to spread around the world. — from WHO at 11:18: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/F8GJpP | 12:22 |
| Biep[m] | !cases nl | 12:26 |
| CovBot | In Netherlands there have been a total of 3,631 cases as of 2020-03-22 11:00:00 UTC. Of these 3,493 (96.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 2 (0.1%) have definitely recovered and 136 (3.7%) have died. | 12:26 |
| astraliam[m] | %data italy | 12:30 |
| Brainstorm | astraliam[m]: In all areas, Italy, there are 53578 cases, 4825 deaths (9.0% of cases), 6072 recoveries as of March 21, 17:43Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 12:30 |
| Birosso | %cases egypt | 12:31 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Egypt, there are 294 cases, 10 deaths (3.4% of cases), 42 recoveries as of March 22, 02:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Egypt for time series data. | 12:31 |
| fritzien | %data germany | 12:33 |
| Brainstorm | fritzien: In all areas, Germany, there are 22364 cases, 84 deaths (0.4% of cases), 239 recoveries as of March 22, 02:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 12:33 |
| mnu | %data UK | 12:34 |
| Brainstorm | mnu: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 5018 cases, 233 deaths (4.6% of cases), 93 recoveries as of March 22, 11:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 12:34 |
| fritzien | %data italy lo,bardia | 12:34 |
| Brainstorm | fritzien: Sorry, italy lo,bardia not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 12:34 |
| fritzien | %data italy lombardia | 12:34 |
| Brainstorm | fritzien: Sorry, italy lombardia not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 12:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:29 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Africa — from WHO at 11:29: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/wUvuDU | 12:34 |
| fritzien | %data italy | 12:34 |
| Brainstorm | fritzien: In all areas, Italy, there are 53578 cases, 4825 deaths (9.0% of cases), 6072 recoveries as of March 21, 17:43Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 12:34 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +2094 cases (now 315348), +486 deaths (now 13572) 🔸 Switzerland: +362 cases (now 7225) 🔸 Spain: +344 deaths (now 1725) 🔸 Iran: +1028 cases (now 21638), +129 deaths (now 1685) 🔸 Belgium: +586 cases (now 3401), +8 deaths (now 75) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔹 Austria: +3 cases (now 3024) [... want %more?] | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:35 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Spain death toll rises by almost 400 as Germany and Iran see cases jump: Spanish media report more than 3,600 new cases; Australia shuts pubs and cinemas but schools stay open; Italy warns of worst crisis since WWII; India launches curfew [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/T00P9L | 12:40 |
| Aguamenti | %data spain | 12:42 |
| Brainstorm | Aguamenti: In all areas, Spain, there are 28572 cases, 1725 deaths (6.0% of cases), 2125 recoveries as of March 22, 11:35Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 12:42 |
| TechNoCity | https://opensource.com/article/20/3/open-hardware-covid19 | 12:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:40 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Mondo — from WHO at 11:40: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/T9vazS | 12:46 |
| jiffe | %data texas | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1008 cases (now 316356), +25 deaths (now 13597), +18 recoveries (now 96327) 🔸 Germany: +765 cases (now 23129), +9 deaths (now 93) 🔹 Andorra: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔹 Austria: +3 cases (now 3024) 🔹 Bahrain: +22 cases (now 332), +24 recoveries (now 149) 🔹 Bangladesh: +2 cases (now 27) [... want %more?] | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | jiffe: In Texas, US, there are 581 cases, 5 deaths (0.9% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 12:50 |
| jiffe | I'm hoping recoveries are just going unreported... | 12:51 |
| pwr22 | So have italy moved to a command economy now? | 12:51 |
| pwr22 | LjL: /\ | 12:51 |
| xrogaan | jiffe: why? | 12:52 |
| xrogaan | pwr22: what is a command economy? | 12:52 |
| astraliam[m] | planned economy i guess | 12:53 |
| jiffe | there have been cases in TX for a long time now, 0 recoveries wouldn't be good | 12:53 |
| astraliam[m] | same as a war time economy | 12:53 |
| astraliam[m] | Distribution of goods and service by centralised decision rather than so called 'free market'. | 12:54 |
| jiffe | I saw the canned tuna I bought on amazon a couple weeks ago is now going for double the price | 12:55 |
| astraliam[m] | if supply chains collapse its inevitable we enter one | 12:55 |
| synx508 | wholesale prices of food have risen | 12:55 |
| jiffe | lol; In stock on April 23, 2020. FREE delivery: Friday, April 10 | 12:56 |
| jiffe | that would be magic now wouldn't it.. | 12:56 |
| jiffe | I guess in their defense they don't give a year on the delivery :) | 12:56 |
| pwr22 | https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fmpa00/uk_is_literally_on_the_same_trajectory_as_italy/ | 12:57 |
| jiffe | herd immunity? | 12:58 |
| euod[m] | <jiffe "that would be magic now wouldn't"> most items on amazon are at april delivery now. I think that's just nonsensical. | 12:59 |
| euod[m] | I don't think, at least in north america, they'll be delivering anything after the next week or two. | 12:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:55 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Muore di coronavirus il padre di Mattia, il paziente numero uno di Codogno - la Repubblica — from WHO at 11:55: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/niSBpC | 12:59 |
| jiffe | maybe most food items, they had pushed all my deliveries out 4 days but then pulled them back in a day so non-food items seem reasonable still | 13:00 |
| jiffe | I should say non-grocery I guess | 13:00 |
| kreyren | Czech republic is expecting remdesivir from US to treat a patient with covid-19 who was in direct contant with spreaders from italy that returned in czech republic. Said patient is currently in critical state and based on available informations his lungs are no longer able to accept oxygen where a machine is used to fed oxygen in his blood, how is remdesivir supposed to help or more informations about this case is unknown. | 13:01 |
| kreyren | ^ informations based on what i was able to gather myself, may not be accurate | 13:01 |
| kreyren | looking for info about remdesivir in relations to covid-19 btw. | 13:02 |
| kreyren | excluding that it's supposed to block VCE2 receptors which are using as an entry by SARS-CoV-2 | 13:02 |
| aradesh | i've heard that the strategy from our governments could be this: quarantine until new cases slow right down. go back to normal. when cases start rising again, quartine until cases go down. rinse and repeat until a vaccine is ready. | 13:03 |
| jiffe | I think that's one of the proposed strategies, I don't think anyone's considered it though | 13:04 |
| jiffe | and back to normal wouldn't really be back to normal | 13:04 |
| aradesh | what has czech done? | 13:05 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | %data finland | 13:08 |
| Brainstorm | pale_moon22k[m]: In all areas, Finland, there are 594 cases, 1 deaths (0.2% of cases), 10 recoveries as of March 22, 11:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Finland for time series data. | 13:08 |
| kreyren | aradesh, tldr; made mandatory quarantine for those who are returning from risk areas, started with tests of those who have a symptoms until more measures to test for covid-19 were adapted and as situation worsen closed all non-essential businesses, provided free rooms for medical service workers in hotels that are in close by their hospital and left kindergardens open for nurses's children and students volunteered for day care + everyone has to | 13:09 |
| kreyren | wear mask and spreading of covid-19 is considered a crime under up to 8 years in prison and fine of 3.000.000 CZK | 13:09 |
| pale_moon22k[m] | What is considered spreading? Going to the grocery store when infected? | 13:09 |
| kreyren | pale_moon22k[m], going anywhere when you have symptoms about which you were informed everywhere including getting a paper about it by post office and in SMS messages | 13:10 |
| kreyren | mandatory self-quarantine and gov provides a service that handles a food for you if you need it where people in protection gear delivers it to you | 13:11 |
| aradesh | kreyren: our politicians are having a melt-down about our evil prime minister getting too many emergency powers | 13:11 |
| kreyren | and being in active contact with doctor in case your conditions worsen in which you would be placed in specialized hospital in Brno or Prague | 13:11 |
| euod[m] | who the fuck cares what powers a government has now. as long as they don't maintain them after this is over, go all out. | 13:11 |
| aradesh | euod[m]: yup. | 13:12 |
| kreyren | aradesh, afaik if your government asks czech for help they will provide suggestions based on their experience with the infection, about supplies that is being distributed based on relationships and agreenments | 13:13 |
| aradesh | :) | 13:13 |
| euod[m] | I wish companies would stop sending me emails. | 13:13 |
| euod[m] | I probably have over 200 of them now. | 13:13 |
| euod[m] | we care about coronavirus! | 13:14 |
| euod[m] | yes thanks please fuck off. | 13:14 |
| kreyren | lol | 13:15 |
| euod[m] | every one that sends me now is getting a report to their upstream ISP. | 13:15 |
| aradesh | "our shareholders care about this company. please ensure that your first priority is to buy our product before anything else in this crisis. remember before you buy your food, pay your bills, etc, remember to give US money first." | 13:15 |
| euod[m] | last time I did that, I got a response from the CEO of a company. | 13:15 |
| euod[m] | I cc'd them in my report to their upstream provider, and got back a grovveling message about how they weren't aware of CAN SPAM. which is nice. | 13:16 |
| aradesh | euod[m]: how do you find our their upstream ISP? is it in the received headers of the email? | 13:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:09 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Spain death toll rises by almost 400 as Germany and Iran see cases jump: Spanish media report more than 3,600 new cases; Australia shuts pubs and cinemas but schools stay open; Italy warns of worst crisis since WWII; India launches curfew [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/T00P9L | 13:17 |
| euod[m] | <aradesh "euod: how do you find our their "> yeah. in this case they were sending mail from a dedicated server at a datacenter, so I sent an abuse complaint to the people providing them a port. normally it's something like mailchimp, and you can file abuse complaints on their website which tend to be quite effective. | 13:17 |
| aradesh | okay | 13:18 |
| euod[m] | remember that marketing communications fall under CAN SPAM, so they must provide an ubsubscribe link (you asked to be sent spam in the first place right? :) ) | 13:20 |
| aradesh | bbl | 13:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +692 cases (now 317048), +14 deaths (now 13611), +2 recoveries (now 96329) 🔸 Portugal: +320 cases (now 1600), +2 deaths (now 14) 🔹 Albania: +13 cases (now 89) 🔹 Andorra: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔹 Austria: +5 cases (now 3026), +1 deaths (now 9) 🔹 Bahrain: +22 cases (now 332), +24 recoveries (now 149) [... want %more?] | 13:21 |
| TechNoCity | https://opensource.com/article/20/3/open-hardware-covid19 | 13:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:22 UTC: Coronavirus: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak — from WHO at 12:22: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/jP6J7L | 13:30 |
| oriba | looks like a slowdown https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany | 13:33 |
| ubLIX | oriba: 'looks like' but likely isn't | 13:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:22 UTC: (news): Airlines tell Congress they need cash coronavirus aid or thousands will be furloughed — from WHO at 12:22: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/OEheUQ | 13:42 |
| oriba | ubLIX: why not? statistical issue? less testing because of weekend? | 13:43 |
| astraliam[m] | %cases japan | 13:44 |
| Brainstorm | astraliam[m]: In all areas, Japan, there are 1055 cases, 36 deaths (3.4% of cases), 232 recoveries as of March 22, 12:31Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Japan for time series data. | 13:44 |
| astraliam[m] | %data japan | 13:44 |
| Brainstorm | astraliam[m]: In all areas, Japan, there are 1055 cases, 36 deaths (3.4% of cases), 232 recoveries as of March 22, 12:31Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Japan for time series data. | 13:44 |
| ubLIX | oriba: hmm. ignoring that non-authoritative data, it does indeed 'look' as you say; but until that last data point is a week old, i'd just call it an appearance | 13:46 |
| ubLIX | which, tbf, is all you called it | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:35 UTC: Liverpool FC CEO offers club stewards to assist with crowds at supermarkets: Stewards can ‘assist elderly’ with dealing with coronavirus crisis Peter Moore says store managers should contact him on Twitter Liverpool stewards are volunteering to help with crowd control and assisting the elderly with their shopping [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/fnMRFs | 13:48 |
| RougeR | jesus | 13:51 |
| RougeR | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNQUHc8wbRc | 13:51 |
| pwr22 | Good to have some data on SARS-COV-2 | 13:54 |
| pwr22 | Seems to be about what I'd expect | 13:54 |
| pwr22 | Thanks for sharing RougeR | 13:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:49 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Spain death toll passes 1,700, India begins curfew: The number of people who have tested positive for the coronavirus, or COVID-19, has crossed 300,000 as the disease continues to spread around the world. — from WHO at 12:49: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/F8GJpP | 13:54 |
| pwr22 | The paper: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973?query=featured_home | 13:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:54 UTC: Italian PM warns of worst crisis since WW2 as coronavirus deaths leap by almost 800: Giuseppe Conte shuts down all non-essential factories and businesses as lockdowns spread across the world, including the US and India — from WHO at 12:54: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/iUVTCb | 14:00 |
| RougeR | pwr22, no worries. found it interesting | 14:04 |
| RougeR | ill be disinfecting clothes/shopping from now on...was already half heartedly doing it | 14:04 |
| oriba | RougeR: there was a comment on this data from a german Virologist. He said: in the real world the virus will die faster because it dries out fast and in experimental setup possibly they just used big droplets that do not dry out that fast... | 14:05 |
| RougeR | interesting orba | 14:06 |
| RougeR | i think still best to err on side of caution where possible | 14:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +469 cases (now 317517), +2 deaths (now 13613), +5 recoveries (now 96334) 🔹 Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 34) 🔹 Albania: +13 cases (now 89) 🔹 Andorra: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔹 Austria: +193 cases (now 3214), +1 deaths (now 9) 🔹 Bahrain: +22 cases (now 332), +24 recoveries (now 149) [... want %more?] | 14:06 |
| RougeR | sterilising fluid spray on parcels, shopping, outdoor wear | 14:07 |
| oriba | RougeR: ooops, they used aerosols, hmhhh.... not so bug droplets... oh... | 14:07 |
| oriba | s/bug/big/ | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | oriba meant to say: RougeR: ooops, they used aerosols, hmhhh.... not so big droplets... oh... | 14:07 |
| oriba | hey, typo correction, heheh | 14:08 |
| euod[m] | I like trudeau's daily updates. | 14:10 |
| euod[m] | he's just calm, answering questions, and being positive. | 14:11 |
| euod[m] | he fucked up by not closing the CA border earlier, but he's doing his best. | 14:11 |
| oriba | RougeR: he says 2 m gap, not 1.5 ... in a article on a chinese case I read about 30 min and 4m distance for being contagious... but not sure how valid that was. | 14:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 13:00 UTC: The only little movie screen in the capital of Texas: COVID-19 cancelled SXSW and left filmmakers out to dry—until a small drive-in stepped in. — from WHO at 13:00: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/k08r1i | 14:13 |
| RougeR | honestly, just lock yourself down at this point | 14:13 |
| RougeR | avoid any indoor spaces | 14:13 |
| oriba | Heheh: don't go out. Avoid any indoor spaces. OK, solve Corona crisis by mass suicide? | 14:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:14 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Spain death toll passes 1,700, India begins curfew: The number of people who have tested positive for the coronavirus, or COVID-19, has crossed 300,000 as the disease continues to spread around the world. — from WHO at 13:14: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/F8GJpP | 14:19 |
| euod[m] | <oriba "RougeR: he says 2 m gap, not 1.5"> does the actual distance matter? avoid people, that's the instruction. | 14:20 |
| euod[m] | if you're worried about a meter or two, you're too close. | 14:20 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +828 cases (now 318345) 🔸 Netherlands: +573 cases (now 4204) 🔹 Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 34) 🔹 Albania: +13 cases (now 89) 🔹 Andorra: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔹 Australia: +67 cases (now 1353) 🔹 Austria: +193 cases (now 3214), +1 deaths (now 9) [... want %more?] | 14:21 |
| euod[m] | you want minimal contact with anyone. | 14:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:21 UTC: The coronavirus outbreak made me cancel my wedding: In the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, weddings around the world are getting postponed. Here's why I canceled mine. — from WHO at 13:21: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/rZcG9I | 14:25 |
| oriba | euod[m]: I avoid people even before corona... going to supermarket late, when there are not much people .... but the practical implications are different. Even 1.5 m is much. If you are the only one in the row who stays that way, it will get stress with the other.... and some supermakrtes now close earlier. So I have to stay together woth the masses there.... or switch to those that did not | 14:30 |
| oriba | close earlier... (later option works only, if they stay open long enough) | 14:31 |
| oriba | Also, if the cashier with the moisty pronounciation without face mask spreads particles, in a smaller distance... well... | 14:32 |
| euod[m] | <oriba "euod: I avoid people even before"> yeah, I don't know. you have to work within whatever your risk thresholds are. | 14:33 |
| oriba | euod[m]: yes | 14:33 |
| euod[m] | I'm not intending on leaving my house for a few months, personally I'm more at risk than most people. | 14:33 |
| oriba | euod[m]: and with what the situation offers | 14:33 |
| oriba | euod[m]: ah ok. I'm not in the high risk group, but also not a good multiplicator for the virus. | 14:34 |
| oriba | euod[m]: your basement is full of food and toilet paper? ;-) Or do you order food? | 14:36 |
| euod[m] | <oriba "euod: your basement is full of f"> soylent actually. | 14:36 |
| oriba | euod[m]: what? | 14:37 |
| euod[m] | its not like my calorie consumption is high at the moment. | 14:37 |
| oriba | ok | 14:37 |
| euod[m] | <oriba "euod: what?"> some silicon valley thing. meal replacement in a bottle. tastes sort of like pancake batter. | 14:38 |
| oriba | so personal shutdown to reduce caloriy consumption? | 14:38 |
| oriba | astronauts food? | 14:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:34 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus: 38 test positive in New York City jails, including Rikers Island | US news | The Guardian — from WHO at 13:34: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/1CGg7h | 14:38 |
| euod[m] | nah, I'm just not doing anything regardless. playing age of empires or whatever doesn't really need much other than idle consumption. | 14:39 |
| euod[m] | I did my washing before. that probably burned a couple. | 14:39 |
| oriba | washing is overrated :-) | 14:40 |
| oriba | if it smells, use incense | 14:40 |
| euod[m] | my house already smells mildly of skunk, I don't want it to smell like hippies. | 14:43 |
| sneep | lol | 14:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:37 UTC: Coronavirus cases top 300,000 worldwide as US becomes one of worst hit countries: The number of cases in the U.S. has surged to at least 26,747, making it one of the worst hit countries in the world. Only China, Italy and Spain are harder hit than the U.S. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/0BbHaq | 14:45 |
| euod[m] | remember when the US claimed it was a deep state hoax? | 14:46 |
| euod[m] | oh wait that was 2 weeks ago. | 14:46 |
| ubLIX | RougeR, pwr22: that paper made its finding in a temperature range 21-23°C; i'm not sure i've yet seen above 10°C up here in Scotland this year; RougeR, what are temps like in jsy this time of year? | 14:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:45 UTC: Rishi Sunak under pressure to bail out self-employed: Calls come as survey suggests half would keep working if they had coronavirus symptoms — from WHO at 13:45: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/ebvCBO | 14:51 |
| RougeR | slightly higher | 14:52 |
| RougeR | id say usually 4-7c above UK | 14:52 |
| RougeR | pretty low now | 14:52 |
| RougeR | 9c, 12c, 9c, 8c, 10c | 14:52 |
| ubLIX | 9C here right now (~edinburgh) | 14:53 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | anyone else a security enforcement officer for there job in the US i am a security officer for a DSS shelter in new york and we have recieved no medical supply aid no masks gloves sanitizer | 14:53 |
| ubLIX | get we get to keep the virus around a while longer | 14:54 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | it really sucks to be honest | 14:54 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | we have 2 officers on duty at all times no more or less but we influxed from 25 clients to 48 clients in one day and are out numbered 25 to one | 14:55 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | i bought my own eqipment and had alot of my own already from my prior service | 14:55 |
| euod[m] | <l4nd_53r[m] "anyone else a security enforceme"> probably because there are none. | 14:56 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | in my time in the service i knew that if something of this scale would ever happen it would easily overwhelm our resources | 14:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 13:52 UTC: Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Post - March 22 | Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions — from WHO at 13:52: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/Xnn0go | 14:58 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | everyone called me a nut job for preparing but im using my own supply of medical ppe because i had it already but i give none out family only | 14:58 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | but its getting really bad now where i live | 14:58 |
| DARK_Lord | l4nd_53r[m]: gov make help you | 14:58 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | the break ins and looting viloence in the streets | 14:58 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | its like the state left my facility behind to fend for itself its a motel converted to a dss shelter few years ago and thr owner is never here we got matinence 2 maids and 6 security officers for the building in total | 15:00 |
| DARK_Lord | Hi all! | 15:00 |
| pwr22 | <ubLIX "RougeR, Peter Roberts: that pape"> Should apply indoors though | 15:01 |
| DARK_Lord | I think its nice time to leard first aid/ premill basics | 15:01 |
| pwr22 | <euod[m] "soylent actually. "> I've got two bags of huel on standby | 15:01 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | im well stocked and got 2 trucks stocked medical food guns and ammo ham radio digital tracking systems to stay in touch when on the road free of internet | 15:02 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | 2 electric bikes mine and my gfs on one truck charged and ready to go for 40 miles each | 15:02 |
| euod[m] | that's probably a bit much, but you never know. | 15:03 |
| DARK_Lord | pwr22: wy huel? no meet-no imunity) | 15:04 |
| AimHere | It's early days yet. We still have the alien invasion, the nuclear war and the zombie outbreak before the real apocalypse kicks in | 15:04 |
| ubLIX | pwr22: true; i've worked all my days in unheated environments so i just forget that many people are used to ~20C indoors | 15:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 14:01 UTC: /u/slakmehl: NYT visualization illustrating the outbreak progression from China across the globe from December to now, and how the most extensive travel restrictions to stop a pandemic spread in human history failed. — from WHO at 14:01: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/Uir5Qd | 15:04 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | i had to get fema course done monthly when i was in the air force so i got like 30 something of them i know alot of fema response my job was combat comm though and i live 60 miles east of nyc so its a over populated crap hole | 15:04 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | so i bin preparing non stop for the last 4 years since i came home | 15:05 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | i drove my sister and mom upstate to family 3 weeks ago because i already knew but my job is considered essential so is my gf and my step dad we all have to stay | 15:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +992 cases (now 319337), +72 deaths (now 13685), +41 recoveries (now 96375) 🔸 Germany: +808 cases (now 23937), +27 recoveries (now 266) 🔹 Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 34) 🔹 Albania: +13 cases (now 89) 🔹 Andorra: +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔹 Australia: +67 cases (now 1353) [... want %more?] | 15:06 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | new york will be fucked in the next 7 days though | 15:09 |
| mefistofeles | %cases New York | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In New York, US, there are 11710 cases, 60 deaths (0.5% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 15:10 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Germany | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Germany, there are 23937 cases, 93 deaths (0.4% of cases), 266 recoveries as of March 22, 14:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 15:10 |
| DARK_Lord | %cases Ukraine | 15:11 |
| Brainstorm | DARK_Lord: In all areas, Ukraine, there are 47 cases, 3 deaths (6.4% of cases), 8 recoveries as of March 22, 14:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ukraine for time series data. | 15:11 |
| mefistofeles | one can see the CFR going up | 15:11 |
| mefistofeles | for Germany, as expected | 15:11 |
| jcay | %cases Italy | 15:11 |
| Brainstorm | jcay: In all areas, Italy, there are 53578 cases, 4825 deaths (9.0% of cases), 6072 recoveries as of March 21, 17:43Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 15:11 |
| AimHere | Ukraine isn't testing enough. They should have a lot more known cases | 15:12 |
| jcay | AimHere: agreed | 15:12 |
| mefistofeles | yeah 3 deaths means at least 300 cases, according to estimates | 15:12 |
| AimHere | Also their tests / cases ratio is far too low | 15:12 |
| jcay | I have heard Japan isn't testing enough either | 15:13 |
| jcay | %cases Japan | 15:13 |
| Brainstorm | jcay: In all areas, Japan, there are 1055 cases, 36 deaths (3.4% of cases), 235 recoveries as of March 22, 14:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Japan for time series data. | 15:13 |
| AimHere | Japan is roughly on par with the rest of the world, in that they're testing about the same proportion of the country as most others, and they're catching roughly the same proportion of cases. | 15:14 |
| AimHere | About 8% of their tests are positive | 15:15 |
| jcay | but maybe they do too little tests | 15:15 |
| jcay | too few* | 15:15 |
| sneep | If you do too few tests you'll usually realize that pretty soon | 15:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Fed's Bullard calls shutdown 'massive investment in public health' — from WHO at 14:13: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/Oa0X4E | 15:17 |
| DARK_Lord | its political state of countries to do not provide true info about covid. That means cash ratio and popularity of country | 15:19 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: what does "CFR" mean? | 15:19 |
| DARK_Lord | that it my mind | 15:19 |
| sneep | case fatality rate | 15:20 |
| jcay | Austria kind of gives a vague glimse it's in the plataue | 15:20 |
| dared | https://www.somagnews.com/letter-doctor-england-reveals-seriousness-coronavirus/ | 15:20 |
| dared | crazy in UK | 15:20 |
| xrogaan | Going to get worse, as for now we still have enough stocks of food and all. | 15:21 |
| dared | will be, definitely | 15:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +152 cases (now 319489), +338 recoveries (now 96713) 🔸 Iran: +296 recoveries (now 7931) 🔸 Austria: +268 cases (now 3289), +1 deaths (now 9) 🔹 Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 34) 🔹 Albania: +13 cases (now 89) 🔹 Andorra: +25 cases (now 113), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) [... want %more?] | 15:22 |
| xrogaan | you don't need a garden to grow stuff, hydroponics are a thing. | 15:22 |
| dared | Screenplay like from the movie Contagion (2011) | 15:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:14 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: police could enforce London social distancing; seven people die in Wales — from WHO at 14:14: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/kQ1iFt | 15:24 |
| dared | Worst of all, China has been lying in its numbers right from the start | 15:24 |
| dared | easy calculation | 15:24 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: case fatality ratio, as somebody already answered, but just in case if you missed that one | 15:25 |
| dared | when you take all countries except China from the worldmeter portal and calculate mortality, result will be more then 5,39 percent | 15:25 |
| dared | when you calculate china alone, you receive result about 4 percent.. something is wrong | 15:25 |
| xrogaan | dared: except that all countries don't count all cases of infection. | 15:26 |
| dared | because population in china is much bigger then other countries and I guess real numbers are definitely diff | 15:26 |
| xrogaan | so the death ration is lower. | 15:26 |
| xrogaan | ratio* | 15:26 |
| dared | I calculate only with numbers what was published | 15:27 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | China was a lot more prepared to deploy containment with their sars experience. Can't go anywhere without your temp being touchless scanned and if it's up by a degree your sent into quarantine. Also looks like they got rid of paper money and ordering food or goods is no contact | 15:27 |
| sneep | dared: BS | 15:27 |
| xrogaan | and they tag all foreigners with QR code. | 15:28 |
| xrogaan | And this is worrying. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/doj-suspend-constitutional-rights-coronavirus-970935/ | 15:28 |
| xrogaan | %title | 15:28 |
| Brainstorm | xrogaan: From www.rollingstone.com: DOJ Wants to Suspend Constitutional Rights for Coronavirus Emergency - Rolling Stone | 15:28 |
| python476 | o/ | 15:29 |
| oriba | Aha, for germany's possible slowdown may the delayed coming in of data from the local Gesundheitsbehörden be responsible. So we have to wait until tomorrow to see the correct numbers. | 15:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Fed's Bullard calls shutdown 'massive investment in public health' — from WHO at 14:22: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/Oa0X4E | 15:30 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: thx for explanation | 15:30 |
| xrogaan | The US is so ill prepared that the fallout might be devastating. | 15:30 |
| mefistofeles | http://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-593/ as usual, great podcast | 15:30 |
| python476 | xrogaan: that's a stress test for everybody | 15:30 |
| dared | Today I listened to an interview for the television minister who is in charge of the crisis crew in our country. He said clearly that the numbers are accurate, depending on how prepared the country is for testing. In our country, the figures are low, because we have performed many times less tests than, for example, Germany, which has released more money for medical aid. | 15:30 |
| python476 | xrogaan: the government there is bad that's true | 15:31 |
| dared | same situation will be also in other countries | 15:31 |
| python476 | dared: are you all confined ? you're czech that's right ? | 15:31 |
| dared | What the fuck is going on with me, I think of my children | 15:32 |
| xrogaan | covid-19 is just one thing, imagine it compounded with another disaster... | 15:32 |
| dared | yes | 15:32 |
| sneep | dared: (Purely deaths/cases) 4.02% in China, 4.29% for world total, 4.39% for world without[4~ China | 15:33 |
| dared | Czech Republic, the center of the current pandemic in Europe | 15:33 |
| python476 | xrogaan: that's actually an important matter | 15:33 |
| xrogaan | Oddly relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en06PYwvpbI | 15:33 |
| AimHere | %cases czechia | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | AimHere: In all areas, Czechia, there are 1047 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 6 recoveries as of March 22, 14:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Czechia for time series data. | 15:33 |
| xrogaan | %title | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | xrogaan: From www.youtube.com: Are We Ready for the Next Pandemic? - with Peter Piot - YouTube | 15:33 |
| xrogaan | from a year ago | 15:33 |
| oriba | dared: before you say China has lied, read this article, which also discusses the detah rates... it depends on a lot of factors; don't have all details in mind now, maybe must rerread it, but it discusses the values, shows that fatality rate even changes within one country over time: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca | 15:33 |
| xrogaan | well, if your health care system can't follow, you'll have a lot more dead people on your hands. | 15:34 |
| dared | So far, the Czech Republic has done few tests only in compare to population | 15:34 |
| python476 | xrogaan: we're all at reduced capacity.. if another bad luck event (tsunami, earthquake, overly hot summer) comes along.. it's gonna be real chaos | 15:34 |
| python476 | oriba: pueyo is controversial though | 15:35 |
| dared | I have a youtube video from Prague where two Czech students tell the reality about how the hygiene stations refused to test them for several days and told them they were fine | 15:35 |
| oriba | python476: is there anything or anybod NOT controverisal? If so, tell me what and who... | 15:35 |
| oriba | dared: you know what? expect this in ANY country and ANY region and ANY city... | 15:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:30 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Illinois governor warns states are competing for supplies — 'It's a Wild West' — from WHO at 14:30: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/Oa0X4E | 15:36 |
| mefistofeles | yes, wasting tests is not the way to go, specially when today they are actually on short | 15:37 |
| mefistofeles | also, many clinicians do not believe qPCR tests, because it depends on the viral load and that's very tricky | 15:37 |
| python476 | oriba: AFAIK pueyo is mostly a business man with stats chops, I'd focus on other kinds of people | 15:37 |
| python476 | (but I may be wrong) | 15:37 |
| dared | I expect and know that it will be worse, it is only the beginning | 15:37 |
| mefistofeles | I just put a podcast on it a few mins ago, fwiw | 15:37 |
| oriba | and what about false positive flase negative? More testing not in general means better data?? | 15:37 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: I had this weird idea .. why not import immune chinese and south koreans to work in newly infected places | 15:38 |
| oriba | python476: other kinds of people? What would you recommend? And how to be sure, they are better? | 15:38 |
| mefistofeles | python476: yes, people have already said that | 15:38 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: dang | 15:38 |
| mefistofeles | and it makes sense, of course, but I don't think it's practical, they just get whoever can work, because it's pretty urgent | 15:39 |
| python476 | oriba: long term epidemiologists, medical professionals and people with knowledge of geopolitics (able to take distance on what a country can do) | 15:39 |
| dared | One Czech doctor came up with a way to test patients several times faster. Being a private laboratory, the government has rejected this knowledge and, paradoxically, has shown another country's interest in these results. Crazy | 15:39 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: aight | 15:39 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: those might also be controversial... I heard a bunch of experts during the last days (weeks), and they often disagree ... | 15:40 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: which? | 15:40 |
| python476 | oriba: were these separate videos ? | 15:42 |
| python476 | I was looking for MD debates | 15:42 |
| mefistofeles | you should check the podcast I linked, then | 15:42 |
| mefistofeles | :P | 15:42 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: my bad | 15:42 |
| dared | Our country has some of the best medical specialists in the world, the problem is that the best ones are running to work in other countries because they do not pay them enough in that country. For example, the doctor who invented Remdesivir | 15:42 |
| python476 | http://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-593/ <= this one ? | 15:43 |
| mefistofeles | python476: they have a MD there that has observed around 1/4 of NY cases | 15:43 |
| mefistofeles | python476: yes | 15:43 |
| python476 | all these are NY medical staff I guess ? | 15:44 |
| oriba | there are a lot of virologists in the german media, and sometimes it's like shitstorming. Drosten, Kekulé, Schmidt-Chanassis. Some other names I have not at hand now. | 15:44 |
| mefistofeles | python476: no, not all, only one for sure | 15:44 |
| python476 | ok | 15:45 |
| python476 | the more regions the better in my book | 15:45 |
| mefistofeles | python476: the others are virologists or similar that do this podcast every week | 15:45 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: there are a lot of virologists in the german media, and sometimes it's like shitstorming. Drosten, Kekulé, Schmidt-Chanassis. Some other names I have not at hand now. | 15:45 |
| yuriwho | human serology tests should be available soon to start screening people for antibodies in their blood to SARS-COV-2, these people should be immune and also possibly as blood donors to provide immunity to others. Takeda Pharmaceuticals has a large effort on this currently and I expect this approach to treatment will be the first that is effective | 15:45 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: no, I mean, which are controversial? which things? I got lost a bit there, sorry | 15:45 |
| python476 | damn, I think I used to listen to this podcast long ago | 15:45 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: the discussion is about what to do mostly. | 15:46 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: what to do in what case? | 15:46 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: there are discussions on topics, my impression is that those experts do take into account different situations and have thought about things a lot. Nevertheless at certain points, what they say differs. Its abouzt what to do, but sometimes also in how serious some things might be or not. I can#t tell you all the details. Too much information, But when reading certain articles in | 15:49 |
| oriba | contrast to others, it always ends up in "hmhhm, this is, what the orther see differntly". | 15:49 |
| euod[m] | I'm very amused by amazon at the moment. estimated delivery, may? | 15:50 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: also the rating on how fast or slow actions were taken | 15:50 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: some experts say: we should have started much earlier. Other say: we started early with our action | 15:51 |
| oriba | If I look at the numbers, I think, "we" started to late to take action | 15:51 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: oh yeah, it depends on many things | 15:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +265 cases (now 319754), +3 deaths (now 13688) 🔹 Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 34) 🔹 Albania: +13 cases (now 89) 🔹 Andorra: +25 cases (now 113), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔹 Australia: +67 cases (now 1353), +42 recoveries (now 88) 🔹 Australian Capital Territory, Australia: +10 cases (now 19) [... want %more?] | 15:52 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: the SIR model has basically two options, supression or mitigation. Basically if you act very early you would go for supression, but then after a while supression means it will come back again so you would then make the choice there again, dependings on conditions, and such | 15:52 |
| mefistofeles | now, this midel is pretty rough, but for some reasons is what they use | 15:52 |
| mefistofeles | *model | 15:52 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: I have heard of three (?) options. | 15:52 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: well, ok, no intervetion is another one for sure, any other missing? | 15:53 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: it looks like the politics tries now the first option, with now about 24000 cases, when an expert said: above 200 cases no chance to track the individualsanymore | 15:53 |
| euod[m] | that's sort of the thing. | 15:54 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: so the second, you mean. Mitigation. | 15:54 |
| euod[m] | past this point, any spread is basically anonymous. | 15:54 |
| alquirel | %data turkey | 15:54 |
| mefistofeles | and yes, that was most are going for | 15:54 |
| Brainstorm | alquirel: In all areas, Turkey, there are 947 cases, 21 deaths (2.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:43Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 15:54 |
| euod[m] | did you get it from your food? your uber driver? the guy who delivered you pasta? | 15:54 |
| Strantrickt[m] | alquirel: Türk müsün | 15:54 |
| oriba | just do mass surveillance as a (not working) workaround for early action | 15:54 |
| mefistofeles | but some in Latin America were trying supression, and that makes sense because health system in some of them is really messed | 15:55 |
| alquirel | evet | 15:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus dos and don'ts: UK advice on behaving responsibly — from WHO at 14:50: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/76hQXx | 15:55 |
| euod[m] | mefistofeles: people in latin america are by all measures, dead. | 15:55 |
| euod[m] | they can't handle this. | 15:55 |
| mefistofeles | euod[m]: not true | 15:55 |
| mefistofeles | but they could might as well be the next center of the pandemic, fwiw | 15:56 |
| oriba | Discussion in a JHU-issue (github), on one of the many dashboards based on JHU data: X: "Data not updating", Y: "I stopped the refresh due to the constant lack of data integrity of the source. :(" | 15:59 |
| oriba | "I tried to tidy everything up into a list" -> https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/issues/576 | 16:01 |
| mithrison | covid-19 is a major cultural humiliation for europe, US, Canada and "the civilized world" as they call it. what an irony | 16:01 |
| mefistofeles | hah, that's actually funny (something I just heard in the podcast). THat apparently in Wuhan coinfection was treated very poorly, as in, people tested for flu were discarded for covid, but of course you can get both | 16:02 |
| LjL | you get bad karma when you join a channel and say something negative right away | 16:02 |
| LjL | the virus attacks those with bad karma stronger | 16:02 |
| mithrison | you get bad karma when you claim to be the civilized world while bombing innocent people every day, then it comes back and bite your ass | 16:03 |
| LjL | oriba, tinwhiskers is also kind of unhappy with how the JHU data are being managed. he may want to pile on the issue perhaps | 16:04 |
| mefistofeles | the best dashboard I've seen is the German one from the RKI, it's impressive | 16:04 |
| mefistofeles | they use arcgis as well | 16:04 |
| oriba | LjL: I thought to start my own analysis of the data, but the mess stopped em from starting it at all. | 16:04 |
| oriba | s/em/me/ | 16:05 |
| Brainstorm | oriba meant to say: LjL: I thought to start my own analysis of the data, but the mess stopped me from starting it at all. | 16:05 |
| mefistofeles | but I don't think they have sources in a repo or anything, sadly | 16:05 |
| LjL | <euod[m]> mefistofeles: people in latin america are by all measures, dead. ← don't say things like that please. if you think it, keep it for yourself... if you want them to be more aware and urge their governments to do something, fine, do THAT, but imagine if there's someone from latin america here, and they hear "they're dead" | 16:05 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: RKI has original data, I think. | 16:05 |
| euod[m] | fair. | 16:05 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: but no option to download it | 16:06 |
| euod[m] | I was kind of hoping someone would refute me saying that. | 16:06 |
| euod[m] | a lot of countries that are less travelled do have quite a bit going for them in the sense that transmission from outside sources is limited heavily. you are mostly concerned about community transmission of anything existing. | 16:07 |
| LjL | euod[m], yeah, problem is there is already community transmission i'm afraid. i wish i could refute what you said. | 16:09 |
| LjL | well, i can... not everyone dies from this virus, so they're not all that. but i assume you knew that | 16:09 |
| euod[m] | yes, but the mortality rate will be higher. I guess I was going to say higher than the US, but the US is going to be very much in the same position given the size of their population. | 16:10 |
| LjL | well, in italy the mortality rate is scary high already | 16:10 |
| LjL | the UK is following the same path so far | 16:10 |
| LjL | the US, i don't know, the cases are just skyrocketing at this moment | 16:10 |
| LjL | hard to say what's happening | 16:11 |
| aradesh | UK rate looks very similar to Italy but 2 weeks behind | 16:11 |
| euod[m] | yes, the US is lagging but by no means slower than anywhere else. | 16:11 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: I really think it'svery correlated to hospitals in clusters | 16:13 |
| mefistofeles | too bad we don't have that information available | 16:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: police could enforce London social distancing; seven people die in Wales — from WHO at 15:05: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/kQ1iFt | 16:14 |
| LjL | aradesh, yes | 16:14 |
| LjL | aradesh, might have seen already, i only recently signed on, but https://i.imgur.com/VPpLHn7.png | 16:14 |
| aradesh | yeah i saw a similar graph already | 16:15 |
| LjL | this should ring all sorts of alarm bells, or rather, say "lock EVERYTHING down now" | 16:15 |
| LjL | we still haven't, and it's dumb | 16:15 |
| aradesh | italy was already locking everything down 2 weeks ago though, wasn't it? | 16:15 |
| aradesh | oh | 16:15 |
| LjL | no | 16:15 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Unite Kingdom | 16:15 |
| LjL | not even close | 16:15 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: Sorry, Unite Kingdom not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 16:15 |
| aradesh | we're basically doing the same as italy 2 weeks ago, afaik | 16:15 |
| mefistofeles | %cases United Kingdom | 16:15 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 5018 cases, 243 deaths (4.8% of cases), 93 recoveries as of March 22, 15:04Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 16:15 |
| euod[m] | there's no excuse for not having literally everything locked down. we aren't escaping severe economic impact, so why even try. | 16:16 |
| mefistofeles | what about info on age group for cases/deaths from UK? | 16:16 |
| euod[m] | trudeau is live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QoBoeC6SAg | 16:16 |
| LjL | aradesh, well, look at italy now, it hasn't really worked. and i can tell you why: it wasn't enforced, and it wasn't enough to begin with | 16:16 |
| aradesh | yeah :/ they need to step it up. | 16:16 |
| LjL | aradesh, now yesterday they closed down MORE things, but still NOT ENOUGH. being one step behind the amount of virus transmission won't stop it | 16:16 |
| aradesh | what kind of things have they closed down now, in italy? | 16:16 |
| LjL | aradesh, they've closed all non-essential work activities (finally) but public transport is still running, and we need to solve the supermarket issue | 16:16 |
| LjL | aradesh, i have a list of allowed things | 16:17 |
| LjL | aradesh, https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ilsole24ore.com%2Fart%2Fconte-testo-italia-positivi-quasi-43mila--mappa--decisione-l-incontro-le-parti-sociali-ADAPZ3E | 16:17 |
| aradesh | here's a video i shared earlier: Coronavirus: What if we did NOTHING? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gku7mdTS8cc quite good | 16:17 |
| LjL | scroll down a bit and you'll see the list | 16:17 |
| aradesh | thanks | 16:18 |
| LjL | aradesh, but again, note, this is a law from *last night*. so until now, virtually everything was still going, except for a few shops | 16:18 |
| LjL | (and most shops were actually allowed anyway) | 16:18 |
| aradesh | here i think we've closed resaturants, bars, theatres, gyms | 16:19 |
| aradesh | but that's about it | 16:19 |
| LjL | won't be even close to enough | 16:19 |
| aradesh | schools | 16:19 |
| aradesh | i've seen quite a lot of people out and about though | 16:19 |
| oriba | euod[m]: they translate eenglish into english? | 16:19 |
| aradesh | seen people walking around shopping | 16:19 |
| LjL | i think the only two, but huge, remaining vectors here will be public transport and supermarkets, *if* this law is effectively enforced | 16:19 |
| euod[m] | <oriba "euod: they translate eenglish in"> he's speaking english and french | 16:20 |
| aradesh | yeah. the london underground is a nightmare | 16:20 |
| oriba | euod[m]: ah ok | 16:20 |
| aradesh | they need to close it | 16:20 |
| aradesh | they've closed some stations only | 16:20 |
| aradesh | 40 stations | 16:20 |
| LjL | oh, i missed it... so to reitererate, Canada is airing a government message https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QoBoeC6SAg | 16:20 |
| aradesh | out of 270 | 16:20 |
| fritzien | %data germany | 16:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +255 cases (now 320009), +2 deaths (now 13690), +1 recoveries (now 96708) 🔸 US: +211 cases (now 27120) 🔹 Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 34) 🔹 Albania: +13 cases (now 89) 🔹 Andorra: +25 cases (now 113), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) 🔹 Australia: +67 cases (now 1353), +42 recoveries (now 88) [... want %more?] | 16:21 |
| Brainstorm | fritzien: In all areas, Germany, there are 23937 cases, 93 deaths (0.4% of cases), 266 recoveries as of March 22, 15:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 16:21 |
| LjL | also, Cuomo of NY is going to speak here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbIVnnMT18 | 16:22 |
| oriba | sleepover -> coughover | 16:22 |
| oriba | they (trudeau also) talk about social distancing, but meant is spatial distancing | 16:24 |
| the_owls_are_not | I am wondering if the US will end up with the highest amount of cases. | 16:24 |
| LjL | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbIVnnMT18 Cuomo speaking now | 16:24 |
| aradesh | euod[m]: it is frustrating, the enormous economy impact that they were worried about, which stopped them from implementing these measures earlier, is happening anyway, but weeks later meaning many more deaths not prevented. | 16:24 |
| the_owls_are_not | A focus on individualism, horrible healthcare system, unhealthy population. | 16:25 |
| euod[m] | <aradesh "euod: it is frustrating, the eno"> yes. for canada in particular it could have been stopped entirely for a period of about a month, but they didn't close the border. | 16:25 |
| oriba | hospitals are overrated. Just make money out of it, nobody said, it will be good working... just have to make money... | 16:25 |
| aradesh | they want 100,000 hospital beds in new york? goodness, they're expecting a lot of cases thne | 16:26 |
| python47` | mefistofeles: that podcast is great so far, thanks a lot | 16:26 |
| python47` | that's exactly what I was searching for | 16:26 |
| LjL | New York: | 16:26 |
| LjL | <LjL> they're planning to double hospital capacity, partly by waiving a lot of rules | 16:26 |
| LjL | <LjL> but he realizes many hospitals can't do it anyway | 16:26 |
| LjL | <LjL> but at least they must increase by 50% | 16:26 |
| LjL | <LjL> says the ICU beds will be limited by available ventilators | 16:26 |
| LjL | <LjL> this is not something they're asking hospitals to do, but issuing a mandatory law under DoH powers | 16:28 |
| LjL | <LjL> they're cancelling all elective surgery | 16:28 |
| LjL | <LjL> critical surgeries will still be done | 16:28 |
| LjL | <LjL> that should free 25-30% beds | 16:28 |
| python47` | I don't have diarrhea but since yesterday my intestine are bubbling | 16:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:30 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Illinois governor warns states are competing for supplies — 'It's a Wild West' — from WHO at 15:30: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/Oa0X4E | 16:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:35 UTC: /u/slakmehl: From Governor Cuomo, new laws to expand and optimize hospital capacity in New York State, and waiving all existing regulations that might get in the way. — from WHO at 15:35: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/TzYBL8 | 16:39 |
| oriba | cleaned up JHU-data: https://github.com/jbarton311/coronavirus-analysis/tree/master/coronavirus/output_data | 16:42 |
| aradesh | london homeless put in hotels: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51987345 | 16:43 |
| LjL | I lost the stream from NY and my computer crashed | 16:44 |
| RougeR | LjL, | 16:44 |
| RougeR | people have finally woken up here. | 16:44 |
| RougeR | parents have finally got the message | 16:44 |
| LjL | RougeR, PLEASE don't press Enter after even just highlighting me | 16:44 |
| LjL | Use full lines | 16:44 |
| RougeR | k | 16:44 |
| LjL | I am tired of saying this | 16:44 |
| RougeR | k | 16:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:40 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus: da domani mascherine per i medici in tutte le Regioni. Poi per tutti gli italiani - Alimentazione - ANSA.it — from WHO at 15:40: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/qv16dP | 16:45 |
| Spec | it's funny how much shit gets "cleared" fast when it's an actual public health/safety concern for everyone, instead of a profit making opportunity for a few | 16:47 |
| euod[m] | sort of. | 16:49 |
| euod[m] | we're at the point where things like long term safety aren't a concern. | 16:49 |
| oriba2 | when the crisis is over, the hospitals again will be dried out and have to make money only... market rules... the next pandemy might be even more aggressive... we will be again not prepaired... being prepaired just lowers the profits | 16:49 |
| oriba2 | now politicians use the money from the tax payers to consolidate the dried out hospitals... | 16:50 |
| Spec | at least in the U.S. there is some hope we'll see healthcare reform | 16:51 |
| oriba2 | profits for some costs for all.... profits privatized, costs socialized | 16:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:46 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Axios su Twitter: "Classified Chinese government data suggests that one-third of coronavirus cases in the country were asymptomatic "silent carriers," according to the South China Morning Post. https://t.co/Ur1PIC1iiA" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/m6MUn4 | 16:51 |
| Spec | that's a large percentage | 16:52 |
| oriba2 | Spec: germany had reforms on the health system very often during the last decades, but in the other direction... | 16:52 |
| Bluebird | #StaySafe | 16:53 |
| python47` | libgen has a dozen answers to "covid" | 16:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:54 UTC: (news): New York state has more coronavirus cases than France or South Korea as infections soar to 15,168 — from WHO at 15:54: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/4u6pVw | 16:58 |
| Spec | loool | 17:00 |
| Spec | "ASSUME...the federal government does nothing" | 17:01 |
| xrogaan | ? | 17:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:00 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: NUOVA ORDINANZA — from WHO at 16:00: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/qeEqtJ | 17:04 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +778 cases (now 320787), +23 deaths (now 13713) 🔸 US: +510 cases (now 27630) 🔹 Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 34), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Albania: +13 cases (now 89) 🔹 Algeria: +62 cases (now 201), +2 deaths (now 17) 🔹 Andorra: +25 cases (now 113), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) [... want %more?] | 17:07 |
| Spec | xrogaan: cuomo's speech just now, apologies for lack of context | 17:08 |
| LjL | This is my transcription of the press conference held by the governor of New York state, Cuomo, with unfortunately missing parts as my computer crashed (I suspect that's where he announced lockdowns): https://dpaste.org/6Ju4 | 17:09 |
| KindOne | a | 17:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY, Illinois governors warn states are competing for supplies, 'It's a Wild West' — from WHO at 16:06: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/Oa0X4E | 17:10 |
| Spec | you mean when the president says to governors to "sort of figure it out yourself", it encourages hoarding at the state level? | 17:12 |
| aradesh | it's interesting how japan and south korea seemed to have kept it very linear | 17:13 |
| LjL | aradesh, i would keep looking at them, because they are showing signs they may not be able to keep it that way | 17:13 |
| LjL | but yes | 17:13 |
| dmartzol | Not sure if you folks have seen the data grouped by age group and showing hospitalizations, it is the first time I see it myself. Take a look at the second page: https://www.mscbs.gob.es/profesionales/saludPublica/ccayes/alertasActual/nCov-China/documentos/Actualizacion_52_COVID-19.pdf | 17:13 |
| LjL | aradesh, i would also look at the amount of hospital beds they have, vs the one Italy and the UK have. specifically, it's around Japan: 13, Korea: 12, Italy: 3, UK: 2.8 (from memory, per 1k people) | 17:14 |
| LjL | i have data for ICU beds, should be in the topic, but it's old data from 2012 | 17:14 |
| yuriwho | Taiwan has done a terrific job: https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/taiwan-covid-19-lessons-1.5505031 | 17:14 |
| aradesh | there was an article in the UK in the independent that said 25% of the brits who have died have been muslims, but then later the article got edited and that sentence was removed. i wonder why they removed it. | 17:14 |
| Spec | LjL: it would be interesting to have a map of hospitals and beds available / etc | 17:15 |
| LjL | Spec, i have no idea how to make a map of any kind :( | 17:15 |
| Spec | you just plot points on OSM | 17:15 |
| AimHere | aradesh, why would you think that's true? | 17:15 |
| aradesh | AimHere: i think it's because they live in large families often, and they have a lot of social gatherings | 17:15 |
| Spec | LjL: but yeah, i don't know where that data would come from | 17:15 |
| aradesh | so it's hard for them to isolate their elders | 17:15 |
| euod[m] | why would it matter if it was? | 17:15 |
| LjL | Spec, i know where to get the data, they are just not incredibly up to date | 17:16 |
| AimHere | aradesh, but Muslim immigration came later, and so muslims would tend to be demographically younger | 17:16 |
| LjL | Spec, well, not true, the ICU data are only for Europe | 17:16 |
| Spec | LjL: oh, you could make this map? | 17:16 |
| aradesh | AimHere: well it's what it said in the article | 17:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:14 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Ansa : 12 positivi al dipartimento della protezione civile. — from WHO at 16:14: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/V54pyi | 17:17 |
| AimHere | aradesh, until they removed it. It could well be because that it was removed because it was false | 17:17 |
| aradesh | possible, but more likely because they considered it sensitive. they must have got the number from somewhere | 17:17 |
| l4nd_53r[m] | cuomo lol | 17:17 |
| oriba2 | many people sitting close together for the prayer, I would expect high rates of infection | 17:18 |
| aradesh | i think a problem is they have been reluctant to close their mosques, as it's required by their faith to go: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51988694 | 17:18 |
| aradesh | also they have families living together in the same house, often 3 generations in one house | 17:18 |
| aradesh | so it makes their elderly very susceptible | 17:18 |
| euod[m] | aradesh: huh? in most religions it's optional. | 17:19 |
| euod[m] | I think most Muslim-esque ones actually explicitly call out you don't need to pray. | 17:19 |
| LjL | Spec, i have some data to make a map, they're on wikipedia. i've just never made a map with any tool. | 17:20 |
| LjL | Spec, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_hospital_beds | 17:20 |
| yuriwho | looks like loss of smell MAY actually be a symptom of viral infection: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/loss-of-smell-may-be-a-sign-of-covid-19-infection-doctors-groups-1.4863341 | 17:20 |
| aradesh | euod[m]: well many take it very seriously | 17:20 |
| aradesh | but it seems muslim groups in the UK are trying to spread the message that they should close their mosques at least | 17:21 |
| LjL | yuriwho, do you think it could be one important enough to monitor on its own to avoid going around thinking you don't have it? that was the suggestion i read yesterday | 17:21 |
| euod[m] | <aradesh "euod: well many take it very ser"> if they took it seriously they'd know it's not required in times like this. | 17:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1687 cases (now 322474), +4 deaths (now 13717), +471 recoveries (now 97179) 🔸 US: +1584 cases (now 29214) 🔸 Spain: +31 cases (now 28603), +3 deaths (now 1756), +450 recoveries (now 2575) 🔹 Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 34), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Albania: +13 cases (now 89) 🔹 Algeria: +62 cases (now 201), +2 deaths (now 17) [... want %more?] | 17:22 |
| Spec | LjL: you've been very close though, all you have to really do is throw gps coords w/ metadata to some api and boom: magic | 17:22 |
| LjL | aradesh, personally... Mass has been been forbidden here, and with good reason (though not early enough). I don't think any faith should get a "free pass" over lockdown restrictions. If that's a problem for some people, then they need to deal with it but respect the restrictions anyway. | 17:22 |
| yuriwho | LjL: possibly but I would wait for CDC or or nations guidance in adding this as an indicator symptom | 17:22 |
| LjL | frankly this is not the time to make "religious allowances" | 17:22 |
| Spec | LjL: but i meant more realtime data as of use, not just total capacities | 17:22 |
| lowkey13[m] | If you are in Riverside county CA, here is a local room. | 17:23 |
| LjL | Spec, ah, i don't have those | 17:23 |
| lowkey13[m] | !YEEiGdJCKdfDLIZHUW:matrix.org | 17:23 |
| LjL | Spec, except "lombardy: full" | 17:23 |
| tjray | sorry to jump in randomly, but mass is not allowed in Texas right now either. | 17:23 |
| Spec | LjL: :) | 17:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:18 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The New Yorker su Twitter: "During the initial coronavirus outbreak, Wuhan began to run out of doctors and nurses as the disease spread. 42,000 more health-care workers were brought in—none of whom contracted the virus. https://t.co/iuetkXHBK2" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/sodf3E | 17:23 |
| Spec | why should any religious gathering be allowed, that sounds absurd | 17:23 |
| Spec | :P | 17:23 |
| LjL | lowkey13[m], that doesn't even mean anything to IRC users... but okay | 17:23 |
| aradesh | https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/03/21/an-estimated-25000-people-gathered-in-bangladesh-to-pray-away-covid-19/ this was shared by richard dawkins. 25,000 gather in bangladesh to pray away covid-19 | 17:23 |
| LjL | tjray, if you jump in randomly with something *relevant*, that's just fine :) sometimes people jump in with memes or stuff, i don't love that | 17:24 |
| LjL | %cases DC | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In District of Columbia, US, there are 98 cases, 1 deaths (1.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 17:24 |
| python47` | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETuZ-aWWkAEGWKT?format=jpg warning: eyes | 17:27 |
| python47` | ^ wearing masks for so long it makes bruises | 17:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:27 UTC: /u/slakmehl: New York state has more coronavirus cases than France or South Korea as infections soar to 15,168 — from WHO at 16:27: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/uyb8by | 17:29 |
| aradesh | hm. seems another one of the cruise-ship people died yesterday | 17:30 |
| aradesh | cruise ship, 8 deaths out of 712 cases | 17:30 |
| LjL | aradesh, i suspect they are being treated better than other patients, because they are being treated in facilities that are not being overwhelmed... | 17:31 |
| LjL | i think the death rate *can* be 1% or so, maybe less, as long as the hospitals have space and equipment | 17:31 |
| LjL | but not so much otherwise | 17:31 |
| aradesh | yes, they probably got top treatment | 17:31 |
| aradesh | because they were some of the earliest cases outside china | 17:31 |
| LjL | and "otherwise" is certainly going to happen, at least without heavy lockdowns | 17:31 |
| euod[m] | even with. | 17:32 |
| euod[m] | once people are locked down, then what? there's a limit to how long that can last. | 17:32 |
| euod[m] | most people will run out of savings in a week or two. | 17:32 |
| LjL | euod[m], well there needs to be economic aid | 17:36 |
| LjL | there *is* economic aid in places i know about that are locked down | 17:36 |
| LjL | and sure, there's a limit | 17:36 |
| LjL | but i don't see we have a good alternative | 17:36 |
| euod[m] | no, we don't. | 17:37 |
| LjL | we have to hope once we contain it, then we can... keep containing it, while releasing the restrictions carefully | 17:37 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1037 cases (now 323511), +39 deaths (now 13756) 🔸 US: +1025 cases (now 30239), +39 deaths (now 388) 🔹 Afghanistan: +10 cases (now 34), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Albania: +13 cases (now 89) 🔹 Algeria: +62 cases (now 201), +2 deaths (now 17) 🔹 Andorra: +25 cases (now 113), +1 deaths (now 1) 🔹 Armenia: +30 cases (now 190), +1 recoveries (now 2) [... want %more?] | 17:37 |
| LjL | and/or that a good treeatment comes up | 17:37 |
| LjL | i won't say a vaccine because that's like... too far away for "staying at home" throughout | 17:37 |
| LjL | but we need to start production of many more ventilators, masks, etc | 17:37 |
| LjL | we need that time | 17:37 |
| LjL | companies can't start doing that in one day | 17:37 |
| euod[m] | the real risk is just people en mass breaking the restrictions. | 17:38 |
| mefistofeles | yes, there are many local/regional makers group on that, fortunately, but still any help is appreciated | 17:38 |
| mefistofeles | I mean besides the companies of course | 17:38 |
| trtr | Is there martial law near you yet ljl? | 17:38 |
| LjL | trtr, not martial law, but certainly lockdowns | 17:39 |
| LjL | i don't think martial law is needed | 17:39 |
| LjL | i think the lockdowns are unconstitutional, but nobody will raise a constitutionality issue | 17:39 |
| Jigsy | %cases | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: Sorry, i think the lockdowns are unconstitutional, but nobody will raise a constitutionality issue not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 17:39 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 5018 cases, 244 deaths (4.9% of cases), 93 recoveries as of March 22, 16:30Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 17:39 |
| LjL | lol i still haven't changed the behavior of that | 17:39 |
| tjray | war measures act, I don't know the US equiv but in Canada that could make it a moot point re legalities | 17:39 |
| Jigsy | I'm genuinly against things that can be abused by governments. | 17:40 |
| Jigsy | Like, the current situation is understandable. | 17:40 |
| Jigsy | But post that... | 17:40 |
| tjray | totally. | 17:40 |
| euod[m] | who the fuck cares. this is more about survival than it is any countries legal system. | 17:40 |
| euod[m] | the legal system, your constitution, all meaningless. | 17:41 |
| trtr | Times of turmoil usually present opportunities for power grabs | 17:41 |
| tjray | it's all social constructs euod I agree | 17:41 |
| LjL | Jigsy, it's a concern, and it's usually a very large concern of mine, but somehow, a virus killing 10% of potentially most of my population has priority for now | 17:41 |
| euod[m] | work that out later. | 17:41 |
| LjL | i am certainly worried that many restrictions could be left in place when this is "over" | 17:41 |
| euod[m] | for now we have a clear and obvious problem. don't worry about potential problems with government. | 17:41 |
| LjL | but for now, i'm more worried about the fact we don't see this being "over" on the horizon | 17:42 |
| euod[m] | sure, of course, but who cares. | 17:42 |
| euod[m] | there's no end in sight. | 17:42 |
| trtr | What's your best guess as to when infections will make apogee ljl? | 17:44 |
| LjL | trtr, it entirely depends on how the lockdown is enforced | 17:46 |
| LjL | it cannot be predicted | 17:47 |
| LjL | if there is no lockdown or any measures at all in some places, then you can expect the curve to start changing at maybe 30, 40% of the population, and then flatten at between 60, 80% | 17:48 |
| LjL | these numbers are mostly my own intuition | 17:48 |
| LjL | but *hopefully* that won't happen, and lockdowns will work | 17:48 |
| trtr | Ok thanks | 17:48 |
| JoeLlama | hi LjL you were right I think | 17:49 |
| JoeLlama | what is the url again? | 17:49 |
| LjL | JoeLlama, what url? | 17:49 |
| JoeLlama | the map | 17:49 |
| LjL | oh | 17:49 |
| LjL | you can use https://plague.com | 17:49 |
| JoeLlama | eep | 17:49 |
| LjL | that redirects to the long URL | 17:49 |
| LjL | yeah well, at least i can remember that | 17:49 |
| trtr | Do your instincts tell you that after taking into account age, Asians are less susceptible than Europeans to the virus? | 17:49 |
| LjL | or grab the url from the Trackers section of our resources, in the channel topic | 17:50 |
| LjL | trtr, no | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +267 cases (now 323778), +8 deaths (now 13764) 🔸 Ecuador: +257 cases (now 789), +7 deaths (now 14) 🔹 Grand Princess, Canada: +3 cases (now 13) 🔹 Ontario, Canada: +47 cases (now 424) 🔹 Congo (Kinshasa): +7 cases (now 30) 🔹 Slovenia: +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Sweden: +3 cases (now 1934) | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:55 UTC: Governors across the nation slam federal coronavirus response: 'We didn't take this seriously': State governors say their demands for more masks and other medical equipment are not being met, forcing them to compete with each other for critical supplies in the coronavirus pandemic. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/1zSykd | 17:58 |
| danielp3344 | %data maryland | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | danielp3344: In Maryland, US, there are 193 cases, 2 deaths (1.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:00 |
| oriba2 | hmhhh, I become hungry.... but chinese bat soup is out, so I may fall back on sphagetti with tomato soup :-) | 18:02 |
| LjL | Italy's daily Civil Protection press conference should be soon at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP8T_SoeN_8 and I will translate as usual | 18:02 |
| oriba2 | LjL: is will there also be a translated version (english would work for me) | 18:03 |
| LjL | uh, yes, i said i will translate | 18:03 |
| LjL | if you don't like my translation, just turn on CC on youtube and use their automatic translation i guess | 18:04 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1456 cases (now 325234), +36 deaths (now 13800) 🔸 United Kingdom: +663 cases (now 5681), +37 deaths (now 281) 🔸 Germany: +740 cases (now 24714) 🔹 Grand Princess, Canada: +3 cases (now 13) 🔹 Ontario, Canada: +47 cases (now 424) 🔹 Congo (Kinshasa): +7 cases (now 30) 🔹 Norway: +1 cases (now 2263) 🔹 US: +52 cases (now 30291) | 18:06 |
| oriba2 | LjL: I will be in the kitchen for a while, no irc there... and listening will work, reading not, need my eyes on the dishes and the food. | 18:07 |
| LjL | oriba2, i'm unable to translate to *spoken* english i'm afraid, and i'm not aware of any other translation like that | 18:08 |
| LjL | my translation will be put into a pastebin afterwards, as usual | 18:08 |
| LjL | i mean, i could attempt spoken translation just for "fun", see how i do | 18:09 |
| LjL | but my accent is thick so it's hard to understand me for some people even when i'm speaking carefully | 18:09 |
| LjL | imagine with live interpreting... | 18:09 |
| LjL | --- Italy's daily Civil Protection press conference is starting now at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FP8T_SoeN_8 and I am now going to transcribe/translate it. | 18:10 |
| LjL | Good evening, thanks to Prof. Locatelli, the President of the ISS, here. | 18:10 |
| LjL | Today's bulletin: | 18:10 |
| aradesh | ffs brits https://twitter.com/RupertLowe10/status/1241757183806779394 <-- little video of people outside a supermarket opening | 18:10 |
| LjL | Recoveries: +952, for a total of 7024 | 18:10 |
| LjL | New cases: +3957, for a total of 46378, of which 2683 are self-isolating, and 3000 are in ICU, which is 6% of the total | 18:11 |
| LjL | Unfortunately, +651 deceased. | 18:11 |
| LjL | One comment on the data, before I let Prof. Locatelli speak: today's numbers are lesser than yesterday, and I wish, we all wish, that these numbers can be confirmed in the next few days. | 18:11 |
| LjL | But we must keep our guard high, keep following the lockdown rules. | 18:11 |
| LjL | About our volunteer forces, it's now more than 8000 managing this emergency, it's +1000 compared to yesterday. | 18:12 |
| LjL | Plus we have our medical personnel, and police and armed forces. | 18:12 |
| LjL | Tents installed for pre-triage are 692, +2 from yesterday. Also in prisons, we have +13 for a total of 135. | 18:12 |
| mefistofeles | bit of a rest there with the numbers, let's hope it continues that way | 18:13 |
| LjL | As of today, a total of 63 patients have been transfered away from Lombardy, +2 compared to yesterday, and 25 of those are positive, while 38 are "no-COVID" patients. | 18:13 |
| LjL | Let me provide a piece of information: we told the press that in our department, 12 of our colleagues are positive. | 18:13 |
| LjL | We immediately did everything required to sanitize the environment, and immediately adopted required measures for our personnel. | 18:13 |
| LjL | Let me thank all the women and men in the Civil Protection, who are all working hard in this emergency, showing a great sense of responsibility and duty, and unique capablities. | 18:14 |
| LjL | It's almost two months we've been here, working 14-15 hours a day, and each one of us worked relentlessly. | 18:14 |
| LjL | I want to thank both them and their families. | 18:14 |
| LjL | I also wish to remind that our collegues who are positive are still working from thier homes, as they are not critical and can continue working remotely. | 18:14 |
| LjL | I want to reassure the country that our structure will continue managing the emergency with all the necessary support and coordination. It's our job that we are proud of. | 18:15 |
| LjL | Thank you for now, Locatelli will speak. | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Aggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 22 Marzo — from WHO at 17:12: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/iV3L3R | 18:15 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) Thank you Dr Borrelli. Good evening. As he does every evening, he gave you a bulletin of new cases, recoveries and sadly deaths in our countries, who did not make it with the infection. He underlined how, compared to yesterday, there is a data point in a slight decrease. | 18:16 |
| LjL | We don't want to feel relieved too easily, or overestimate this trend, but undoubtedly it's a sign we are noticing, as it also comes at the time distance wrt which we expect to see tangible signs of the efficacy of containment measures. | 18:16 |
| LjL | So on this particular aspect, I'd like to spend an important part of my speech, to underline that after yesterday's PM Conte's speech, we have reached the maximum of what can be restrictive measures, in terms of social and work activities. | 18:17 |
| LjL | What's important now is to highlight another aspect, related to the inter-family contagion, as that is the other big "engine" where virus diffusion can set off. | 18:17 |
| X-Scale | 651 deaths in Italy during the last 24 hours | 18:18 |
| X-Scale | https://www.devdiscourse.com/article/health/951104-italy-coronavirus-deaths-rise-by-651-in-a-day-lifting-total-death-toll-to-5476 | 18:18 |
| LjL | So, I feel obliged to highlight that it is fundamental, as much as possible, within family contexts, to implement rigorous measures for people who have shown positive. | 18:18 |
| LjL | X-Scale, i've just said that... | 18:18 |
| oriba2 | LjL: pastebin -> good idea | 18:18 |
| LjL | It's an important sacrifice, but otherwise, we can perpetuate the virus circulating, as it can find further fuel in family contacts. | 18:18 |
| LjL | In this context, and in this perspective, we appeal to the sense of responsibility of more than 20000 of our citizens who are positive, we ask them to limit their contacts in the utmost way. | 18:19 |
| LjL | This is needed to interrupt the transmission chain I mentioned. | 18:19 |
| LjL | A further reflection, which I dedicate to those who unfortunately died: during these days, we have repeated that people over 70 are the ones who pay the harshest toll from the SARS-COV-2 epidemic. | 18:20 |
| LjL | Fragile people are the ones at risk of not getting past the infection. They are our historical roots, our memory, these elderly people must absolutely be protected, and all the measures that have long been suggested enacted. | 18:20 |
| LjL | They must avoid leaving their homes, and if they reside in a nursing home, they must avoid, in this phase, visits that could potentially start contagion. | 18:20 |
| LjL | This is because these structures, like hospitals in general, risk to be an unfortunate way to amplify the events, which runs a concrete risk to make the elderly who die a soaring number. | 18:21 |
| rajrajraj | hi | 18:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +8106 cases (now 333340), +654 deaths (now 14454), +952 recoveries (now 98129) 🔸 US: +2510 cases (now 32801), +3 deaths (now 391) 🔸 Veneto, Italy: +505 cases (now 5122), +23 deaths (now 169), +52 recoveries (now 309) 🔸 Toscana, Italy: +265 cases (now 2277), +19 deaths (now 91), +7 recoveries (now 42) [... want %more?] | 18:21 |
| LjL | Almost 84% of the deaths were registered in three regions: Lombardy, which is paying the highest price, especially in some provinces... you know I'm from Bergamo, so you can imagine my own feelings seeing what happens in my province; also, Piedmont, and Emilia-Romagna. | 18:22 |
| LjL | So let me say it as a citizen first and foremost, this is the time when we must again show we are a united country, which can respond AS a country. | 18:22 |
| LjL | Dr Borrelli talked about transferring patients between regions: that's an important mechanism, that as a doctor I wish will be increasingly supported, to relieve the structures that are too taxed in the best way. | 18:23 |
| LjL | [so why +1, +2 a day?!] | 18:23 |
| LjL | I am absolutely sure that one the regions in the most trouble are over the peak, they will definitely reciprocate these favors. | 18:23 |
| rajrajraj | 651 italy cases came down | 18:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 17:15 UTC: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 22 marzo 2020: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19, applicabili sull'interoterritorio nazionale. (20A01806) [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/9mt30A | 18:23 |
| LjL | A response of this kind is important, it is the only mechanism to guarantee that Lombard, Piedmontese, E-R structures can assist many of our citizens appropriately, those people who need the best treatment. | 18:23 |
| LjL | If we can give a response as the whole of our country, with concrete regional solidarity, we'll be able to better guarantee adequate treatments. | 18:24 |
| LjL | [I think he's saying: it isn't happening now] | 18:24 |
| LjL | Questions: | 18:24 |
| LjL | Question: You, Professor, are making conclusions from this period, as if we have reached the end of a route, reached the maximum of possible lockdown measures. So we wonder where we are in terms of results... yesterday was an extremely negative day, if you allow me to say. Also I get a notice from surgeon and dentists associations: "doctors must be heroes, but not martyrs". | 18:25 |
| LjL | We must provide fresh doctors to the hospitals that are facing difficulties, but we cannot even guarantee these young doctors appropriate PPEs. | 18:25 |
| euod[m] | https://waqi.info/ horribly good news is that pollution is way down. | 18:26 |
| LjL | Answer: It's not just about making conclusions from the current situation, as if we've reached a scenario that can no longer be changed. I was more focusing on the fact that the prevention measures, from a strictly social and work-life point of view, it's hard to imagine stronger measures. | 18:26 |
| LjL | So, when referring to the second "pillar" of contagion, aside from our general social relationships which includes work activities, now, the attention must be moved to prevention within families. | 18:26 |
| HeXiLeD | https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-51893095 Bath half marathon goes ahead despite backlash | 18:27 |
| LjL | That's because there are 23000 Italians who are luckily asymptomatic but were documented as positive, and those people can create a mechanism that doesn't allow us to reduce the numbers in the way we need. | 18:27 |
| LjL | I also wish to remind that the earliest stringent lockdown measures were adopted on March 11, so we've always said that we were expecting results, based on the virus replication time and diffusion, substantially after 2-3 weeks. | 18:28 |
| LjL | So the week that is beginning now will be, from this point of view, absolutely crucial, and we expect to finally see signals of inversion of the trends. | 18:28 |
| LjL | I am saying this very clearly, as I want to appeal to the responsibility of all of our citizens; we know perfectly well what meant, means and will mean to impact our lifestyle so importantly... but this is the time to take more willpower and incentive to go on with this policy, to continue with these individual behaviors, because they will allow us to prevent further circulation, and particularly, an enlargement to regions which, as of today, are | 18:29 |
| LjL | numerically, for the most part, not in a serious scenario as Lombardy, Piedmont and E-R are. | 18:29 |
| LjL | About the younger doctors: when we considered these options, we obviously all highlighted, all of us deciding, that there is a priority, unavoidable, to secure the health of our young colleagues, but on the other hand, to be able to guarantee their contributions, within a system where the people who already have experience on the field can help them contribute without exposing them to dangers. | 18:30 |
| LjL | Question: I'd like to ask about this "Avigan"(?) that social media are all talking about: this drug, used in Japan, apparently "defeated" the virus. Zaia of Veneto said yesterday that he wants to begin experimentation: do you have evidence that this can hold any hope? | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:24 UTC: Governors across the nation slam federal coronavirus response: 'We didn't take this seriously': State governors say their demands for more masks and other medical equipment are not being met, forcing them to compete with each other for critical supplies in the coronavirus pandemic. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/1zSykd | 18:32 |
| LjL | Answer: Thanks for asking, because once again, I can appeal to everyone's sense of responsibility, in communication too: the whole country must be absolutely certain that the AIFA, and the technical committee, consider and evaluate in the most open way possible all the therapeutic options. | 18:32 |
| LjL | But we must distinguish: one thing is POSSIBLE therapeutic options that must be tested and evaluated (let experimentation happen!), but another thing is claiming certain specific theurapeutics are the solution to COVID-19. | 18:32 |
| LjL | There is a press release, which I wholly share, on AIFA's site, which reconstructs in a perfect manner the understanding of the issue on its whole, and in particular about the drug you were referring to. | 18:33 |
| LjL | Before claiming we've found antiviral therapy solutions, drugs that can modulate the inflamatory response that underlies the most severe symptoms, before we say that, we need undeniable evidence. | 18:33 |
| LjL | Let us have clinical trials, all experimentations that explore therapeutics, but until we have evidence of efficacy, and this is NOT present today, I must recommend caution to avoid generating potentially false hopes that would create frustration. | 18:34 |
| kreyren | Czech government proposed a new SHTF solution to use Brno's exhibition ground as a makeshift hospital in case hospitals get overwhelmed and are now preparing it in case it will ever be needed (situation in CZ is still under control and we are not expecting to get out of hand) | 18:34 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: what do you think about having .specops.network translated in other languages? | 18:34 |
| LjL | Question: to the Commissioner, I want to ask about the region of Marche, they required more doctors and nurses, 250 of them, so it's not just Lombardy, there are now other regions without resources, so will the doctors you are recruiting going to other regions than Lombardy too? What kind of people are you selecting? | 18:35 |
| LjL | Answer: certainly the medical task force we have created will go to other regions too, including Marche, already some dozens of doctors are going there. We are finalizing our selection, and I want to thank everyone who answered our call, there were 723 people responding. | 18:35 |
| LjL | The doctors who are most requested are internists, ICU specialists, pneumologists. | 18:35 |
| LjL | Starting tomorrow we will send the first doctors from this force on the territory, and I also want to remind there are 52 Cuban doctors who are landing in Rome right now, and will soon go to Lombardy, and then we also have some doctors from the Russian Federation, and in the night there will be an important contribution from Russia, and these people will be employed in Lombardy too. | 18:36 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +4033 cases (now 337373), +5 deaths (now 14459) 🔸 US: +3955 cases (now 36756), +5 deaths (now 396) 🔹 Grand Princess, Canada: +3 cases (now 13) 🔹 Ontario, Canada: +47 cases (now 424) 🔹 Congo (Kinshasa): +7 cases (now 30) 🔹 Cuba: +14 cases (now 35) 🔹 Poland: +64 cases (now 627) | 18:36 |
| mefistofeles | woah interesting | 18:37 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) I want to add to Borrelli's response, just the fact that this department monitors everything every single day, without neglecting any sign of hardship from any region. I mentioned the first three regions with the most deaths, but the other regions are equally important, and our attention is utmost, to prevent them from having hardships too. | 18:37 |
| LjL | That's why I underlined the importance of regions cooperating in solidarity, within a united country, in a mechanism of mutual aid. | 18:38 |
| LjL | This will be the winning card to get out of this, as also individual and familiy sense of responsibility, since contagion cannot be contained only socially and on the workplace. | 18:38 |
| LjL | Question: I asked yesterday how many young patients are in ICU, and I was told there is no exact data. As a doctor, can you tell us something more about what the virus does to young, healthy people? | 18:38 |
| LjL | Thank you, this question lets me give a comment as a pediatrician, too, which is my main job which I hope to return to soon. | 18:39 |
| LjL | Up to 20 years or so, as of today, there are no deaths to our knowledge, and neither are there people who have needed ICU beds. | 18:39 |
| LjL | As the total number of people who died, only 1% was less than 50 year old. | 18:39 |
| LjL | So it's clear, and we repeated it many times, that this is an emergency phase during which the elderly must be protected, but without neglecting the role that younger people may play, including children, in terms of circulating the virus. | 18:40 |
| LjL | Children, maybe due to their immune system's ability to form a response to new pathogens after leaving uterus, which may be higher than in elderly people... it's known that elderly people have an immunologically less flexible response. | 18:40 |
| LjL | The studies that, in our country too, which must be clearly stated that are being done, those may help in the future to give a useful therapeutic response in older people too. | 18:41 |
| LjL | But again, only 1% of the deceased were less than 50. | 18:41 |
| LjL | Question: today a 24 year old man died with apparently no comorbidities, but apparently he came to the hospital late, when he was too serious, and he wasn't tested soon enough. Are there even people who don't even make it to the hospital? | 18:42 |
| LjL | Answer: Yes, from a medical point of view, certainly yes, we highlighted the issue of comorbidities, i.e. having other health issues that create a risk, but unfortunately that does not rule out young and seemingly healthy people can encounter... also because our immune mechanisms can be not efficient enough, or conversely, hyperinflammation may happen, creating life-threatening situations. | 18:42 |
| LjL | That's why I underlined the importance earlier, all the grief notwithstanding for this young person who died, of reducing the congestion in the ER and ventilation facilities in the regions most affected, to offer the best assistance to everyone, and this is why inter-region cooperation is fundamental. | 18:43 |
| LjL | Question: two questions, first, I would like to get confirmation from the government, since there is some confusion on the rules and uniformity of them... this morning, the Union of Biologists (to make a concrete example of the confusion in the entire system) told citizens to follow a specific protocol for entering their homes, which is NOT in accordance with the norms that have been released by the government. | 18:44 |
| LjL | Under this particular protocol, which can be supposed to be reliable, take away your shoes immediately, don't touch anything, put your keys aside, disinfect your pet... so... facing the difficulty in making predictive models, is there a necessity to make these norms more specific, more prudent? And secondly, does the scientific committee and the government consider mass use of tests on random samples of people? | 18:45 |
| LjL | Answer: What you see projected behind me is the "ten rules" to respect, as it is on these rules that we can count for significant prevention of virus diffusion. If there is, and I doubt it, a contribution from material coming from pets, I think that contribution is marginal at worst. What's important is to continue social distancing. You just have to walk in Rome to see how the whole city has changed. | 18:47 |
| LjL | It's an example of maturity, which I consider important, as it is all but easy. | 18:47 |
| xrogaan | People are going outside here, in Belgium. Going for a jog, walking around... They don't seem to understand what is currently happening. | 18:47 |
| LjL | So let's adopt these measures, let's manage our behaviors with individual responsibility, let's help the state's own response, and we will certainly obtain the results we want. | 18:47 |
| LjL | This is why I've wanted to focus on the technical part this evening, in particular for contagion within families. | 18:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Johnson threatens stricter measures if people flout social distancing rules amid 281 new deaths — from WHO at 17:45: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/kQ1iFt | 18:48 |
| mefistofeles | xrogaan: true, I also do that, fwiw... I need the exercise but of course avoiding people as much as possible, which is key | 18:48 |
| LjL | (Borrelli) I want to add, to avoid any confusion, the government moved to avoiding confusion and creating rules that are the same for the whole of the country. I'll ask you to go to the government's website, to the Ministry of Health's website... of course, other entities are free in our country to provide other recommendation, but I will ask you to look at official guidance. | 18:48 |
| HeXiLeD | 13,931 new cases in the US in the past 24h. | 18:48 |
| LjL | About tests...? For what I know, from talking to the scientific committee, the strategy and policy has not changed. We follow the guidelines from the WHO, and those are the ones we'll enact. If they change, then we will also follow them. | 18:49 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-germany-bans-meetings-of-more-than-two-people/a-52874174 new measurements in Germany | 18:49 |
| AimHere | HeXiLeD, yeah. I wasn't expecting that big a spike. | 18:49 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) I want to add that we are one of the countries that did most testing in the world, certainly the most in Europe, so the attention in applying procedures to identify viral RNA on nose swabs is absolutely adequate to the indications from the WHO. | 18:50 |
| HeXiLeD | it will double. too much arrogance in the US | 18:50 |
| AimHere | HeXiLeD, 12k in NYC alone | 18:50 |
| AimHere | Depends on whether the figures are right or not | 18:50 |
| xrogaan | "meeting of more than 2 people". Well, I'm going to meet myself. BRB | 18:50 |
| LjL | Here, too, I will not avoid a question that was perhaps implicit or hidden: I say this in a neutral way, it's clear we are paying attention to what could be alternative tests, ones faster to obtain results... but they need to be validated, or otherwise we risk giving false impressions to the citizens, which would be most unwelcome. | 18:51 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1560 cases (now 338933) 🔸 US: +1382 cases (now 38138) 🔹 Armenia: +4 cases (now 194) 🔹 Canada: +41 cases (now 1426) 🔹 Grand Princess, Canada: +3 cases (now 13) 🔹 Ontario, Canada: +47 cases (now 424) 🔹 Congo (Kinshasa): +7 cases (now 30) 🔹 Cuba: +14 cases (now 35) 🔹 Czechia: +73 cases (now 1120) 🔹 India: +5 cases (now 396) [... want %more?] | 18:51 |
| LjL | Let's remember that the test just reflects the situation at the time it is made, it doesn't predict what will happen say 4 or 5 days later. We can only proceed sustainably, we have already made a huge effort to add more workers who can solidly and reliably perform these tests: we are not neglecting anything. | 18:51 |
| LjL | Question: if it's true we need 2 weeks to see the first results from the lockdowns... since March 11, there has been a "fleeing" from north to south, and the president of Puglia reported that 15% of the people coming from trains had fever symptoms. Are you expecting a rise in cases in the south? Are you monitoring it somehow? | 18:52 |
| LjL | Answer: Thanks for this question too... the numbers we have for regions are, today, not indicating a sitaution that's getting out of hand. However, what you asked offers me the chance to highlight that under the same responsibility logic I talked about, family responsibility as well as individual... the workers who will not go to their jobs starting tomorrow, those workers must NOT move from the north to the south of the country: that would indeed risk | 18:54 |
| LjL | creating another critical situation. | 18:54 |
| redlegion | %help | 18:54 |
| Brainstorm | redlegion: Hi, I am LjL's bot! Say %modules or %commands to me in private to see my features. | 18:54 |
| LjL | Under this perspective, too, it's important that caring for your loved ones means thinking about their health, particularly if they're elderly. | 18:54 |
| LjL | (Borrelli) We conclude here, thanks and good evening. | 18:54 |
| LjL | --- end | 18:54 |
| mefistofeles | thanks LjL | 18:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:48 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Jonathan Lemire su Twitter: "BERLIN (AP) — German Chancellor Angela Merkel in quarantine after doctor who gave her a vaccine tests positive for coronavirus." — from WHO at 17:48: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/5b0x1i | 18:56 |
| mefistofeles | oh hell, Merkel :P | 18:57 |
| LjL | pastebin of the press conference: https://dpaste.org/1frR | 18:57 |
| ubLIX | thx LjL | 18:59 |
| ubLIX | "They are our historical roots, our memory" | 19:00 |
| LjL | <HeXiLeD> LjL: what do you think about having .specops.network translated in other languages? ← i don't think we have the resources for translating it in many languages, and doing just one or two may not make a lot of sense... besides, it's mainly a collection of links (for now, anyway) and google translate is probably going to do a decent job | 19:00 |
| LjL | if you want to translate it you're free to, and i can put the translation on the github page, but i can't guarantee it will end up on the .specops.network site too | 19:00 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: fair | 19:00 |
| LjL | and now, i need to take a break from typing because this press conference was quite exacting | 19:01 |
| LjL | i feel my translations are getting cruder over time | 19:01 |
| LjL | but their press conferences are getting longer, so there is that | 19:01 |
| fructose | LjL: How do I figure out which rules are in place in which regions of Italy? | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:02 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Germania — from WHO at 18:02: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/fGAEAg | 19:04 |
| yn | https://www.tomshardware.com/news/folding-at-home-worlds-top-supercomputers-coronavirus-covid-19 | 19:05 |
| LjL | Meanwhile in ex-Yugoslavia (Slovenia and Croatia mainly, I believe): https://www.reddit.com/r/Earthquakes/comments/fmuov5/northwestern_balkan_region_potres_earthquake/fl6bhkl/ :( | 19:05 |
| LjL | hello yn | 19:06 |
| yn | hi | 19:06 |
| LjL | fructose, it's mostly uniform across the country | 19:06 |
| LjL | sometimes regional governors make their own rules, but they generally get reverted | 19:06 |
| LjL | anyway each region has a website and stuff | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +245 cases (now 339178), +4 deaths (now 14463) 🔹 Armenia: +4 cases (now 194) 🔹 Canada: +41 cases (now 1426) 🔹 Grand Princess, Canada: +3 cases (now 13) 🔹 Ontario, Canada: +47 cases (now 424) 🔹 Congo (Kinshasa): +7 cases (now 30) 🔹 Cuba: +14 cases (now 35) 🔹 Czechia: +73 cases (now 1120) 🔹 Germany: +92 cases (now 24806), +1 deaths (now 93) [... want %more?] | 19:06 |
| LjL | yn, i'm told that Folding@HOME is actually doing nothing now much of the time, because there is even too much supply for demand | 19:07 |
| LjL | now let me see our curve, which supposedly gives us some hope today... | 19:07 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 19:07 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 59138 cases, 5476 deaths (9.3% of cases), 7024 recoveries as of March 22, 18:04Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 19:07 |
| LjL | well 9.3% looks bad | 19:07 |
| LjL | real bad | 19:07 |
| LjL | %cases Lombardia | 19:07 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 27206 cases, 3456 deaths (12.7% of cases), 5865 recoveries as of March 22, 16:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data. | 19:07 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: not really, it's doing quite a lot | 19:07 |
| LjL | but i guess it's unavoidable if cases are going down | 19:07 |
| mefistofeles | but I do think that if you have a small machine (or low resources) then you wont get many jobs, probably | 19:07 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, sorry, i didn't mean it's not doing stuff, just that people's computers are sometimes left with no units to process, because so many people are contributing | 19:08 |
| mefistofeles | yeah, I guess they give more weight to the ones with better resources | 19:08 |
| mefistofeles | in my case I'm always processing at least one WU | 19:08 |
| mefistofeles | frequently 2, one in GPU and other in cpu | 19:08 |
| LjL | well, today both the new cases and the new deaths went down in both Lombardy and Italy as a whole. the death rate looks scarier than ever, but hopefully that's an artifact of deaths lagging behind cases. | 19:09 |
| mefistofeles | not always corona related, of course, but most of them are | 19:09 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: yes, the CFR will always lag behind the slowdown (if that ever happens) | 19:09 |
| mefistofeles | s/if/when | 19:09 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles meant to say: LjL: yes, the CFR will always lag behind the slowdown (when that ever happens) | 19:09 |
| bin_bash | have y'all seen this: https://healthweather.us/ | 19:11 |
| MrtnDk[m] | LjL : It's unfortunately gonna get worse, I'm afraid. You know how exponential growth works, right? | 19:11 |
| mefistofeles | MrtnDk[m]: sure, we all are very familiar with it | 19:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 18:09 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Confindustria al governo: "Non si può chiudere tutto". Il decreto slitta a mercoledì - la Repubblica — from WHO at 18:09: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/3pDL4K | 19:12 |
| mefistofeles | MrtnDk[m]: but not sure what you exactly mean by "worse" | 19:13 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, you don't need to lie to me, i know it's "if" ;( | 19:14 |
| LjL | what | 19:14 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, exponential growth at the same rate is not worse, and if the numbers from today are consistent and confirmed in the next few days, then it's absolutely not worse | 19:14 |
| tinwhiskers | bin_bash: interesting. I wonder how that are concluding "% ill" is declining. | 19:14 |
| LjL | %tr Confindustria al governo: "Non si può chiudere tutto". Il decreto slitta a mercoledì | 19:14 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: Confindustria to the government: "You can't close everything". The decree slips on Wednesday (MyMemory, Google) — *Confindustria To the government: "No *può close #everything". The decree *slitta to Wednesday (Apertium) | 19:14 |
| LjL | that the HELL are they saying/doing now | 19:14 |
| LjL | of course you can close everything | 19:15 |
| LjL | you must close everything | 19:15 |
| LjL | jesus christ, i'm going down to the metro station and pulling the grid detachment lever | 19:15 |
| LjL | okay i'm not really | 19:16 |
| LjL | but they can't make the decree suddenly start from wednesday | 19:16 |
| LjL | giving people again MORE time to "panic do-things in advance" | 19:16 |
| LjL | this is absurd | 19:16 |
| LjL | besides isn't it published on gazzetta ufficiale? how is it not in force already? | 19:16 |
| LjL | they can't announce something like that on TV and then retract it | 19:16 |
| bin_bash | tinwhiskers: my guess is by the temperature readings, people who had temps and then dont anymore but yeah it's a good question | 19:17 |
| bin_bash | tinwhiskers: https://content.kinsahealth.com/covid-detection-technical-approach | 19:17 |
| tomeaton17 | millions will die | 19:17 |
| LjL | sigh | 19:17 |
| LjL | %tr Avvertenza: si avvisa che seguirà, a breve, una seconda "Edizione Straordinaria". | 19:18 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: Warning: we inform you that a second "Extraordinary Edition" will follow shortly. (MyMemory, Google) — *Avvertenza: *avvisa That will follow, in brief, a second "Extraordinary Edition". (Apertium) | 19:18 |
| LjL | this is from gazzetta ufficiale, so i assume they *are* retracting it | 19:18 |
| tinwhiskers | bin_bash: I suppose if there were enough other people with seasonal flu and that is declining sufficiently then the total flu+covid could be declining | 19:19 |
| bin_bash | yeah | 19:19 |
| HeXiLeD | https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/03/the-doctor-who-helped-defeat-smallpox-explains-whats-coming | 19:19 |
| oriba2 | https://preview.redd.it/bpp32v0ztxn41.jpg?width=768&auto=webp&s=5480f967af6a5b4148a4a32b654c38a630aab3af | 19:19 |
| tinwhiskers | bin_bash: surprising it's not back to "normal" now though | 19:20 |
| tinwhiskers | *now back to normal | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:17 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Johnson threatens stricter measures if people flout social distancing rules as deaths reach 281 — from WHO at 18:17: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/kQ1iFt | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +253 cases (now 339431), +12 deaths (now 14475) 🔸 Switzerland: +244 cases (now 7474), +13 deaths (now 98) 🔹 Armenia: +4 cases (now 194) 🔹 Canada: +41 cases (now 1426) 🔹 Grand Princess, Canada: +3 cases (now 13) 🔹 Ontario, Canada: +47 cases (now 424) 🔹 Congo (Kinshasa): +7 cases (now 30) 🔹 Cuba: +14 cases (now 35) [... want %more?] | 19:21 |
| LjL | well this is a new one: | 19:23 |
| LjL | %tr %tr Allo scopo di contrastare e contenere il diffondersi del virus COVID-19, e' fatto divieto a tutte le persone fisiche di trasferirsi o spostarsi con mezzi di trasporto pubblici o privati in comune diverso da quello in cui si trovano, salvo che per comprovate esigenze lavorative, di assoluta urgenza ovvero per motivi di salute. | 19:23 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: % tr In order to counter and contain the spread of the COVID-19 virus, it is forbidden for all natural persons to move or move with public or private means of transport in a municipality other than that in which they are located, except for proven work needs, of absolute urgency or for health reasons. (MyMemory, Google) [... want %more?] | 19:23 |
| LjL | so we can't go from Milan to almost-Milan or back | 19:23 |
| LjL | that's going to affect me | 19:23 |
| MrtnDk[m] | Do you guys know about a good Grafana URL for Matrix integrations? | 19:26 |
| yuriwho | this is not ##matrix | 19:28 |
| jhammons | Mrtn Dk: I would ask #synapse:matrix.org ... | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:34 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: Bloomberg su Twitter: "BREAKING: Germany will ban public gatherings of more than two people to slow down the spread of the coronavirus https://t.co/1T0Q0HW7b7" — from WHO at 18:34: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/rBqsqP | 19:37 |
| LjL | Boris Johnson is live https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xqHcNN0050 | 19:43 |
| LjL | i'm sorry... he's not | 19:43 |
| LjL | i messed up | 19:43 |
| python47` | he never was | 19:43 |
| python47` | dont worry | 19:43 |
| LjL | :P | 19:44 |
| LjL | fancy backtick you got there | 19:44 |
| python47` | I know, I'm trying this new confinement fashion | 19:44 |
| python47` | this video is going funny | 19:45 |
| python47` | people walking in randomly | 19:46 |
| python47` | and noone behind the obvious "save the nhs" panels | 19:46 |
| LjL | i'm only listening | 19:46 |
| LjL | for personal reasons i'd rather not be exposed to his face | 19:46 |
| python47` | an allegory of UK | 19:46 |
| python47` | LjL yeah bojovitis spreads fast | 19:46 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +2183 cases (now 341614), +116 deaths (now 14591), +613 recoveries (now 98742) 🔸 US: +590 cases (now 38757), +4 deaths (now 400) 🔸 France: +1559 cases (now 16018), +112 deaths (now 674), +613 recoveries (now 2200) 🔹 Armenia: +4 cases (now 194) 🔹 Canada: +41 cases (now 1426) 🔹 Grand Princess, Canada: +3 cases (now 13) [... want %more?] | 19:50 |
| alohaferret | boris is fluent in greek and latin | 19:51 |
| eaxomar | he also has a phd in astrophysics | 19:52 |
| eaxomar | and wrote crime and punishment | 19:53 |
| LjL | python47`, your turn for a nice spike, apparently | 19:53 |
| LjL | %cases france | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, France, there are 16018 cases, 674 deaths (4.2% of cases), 2200 recoveries as of March 22, 18:48Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:48 UTC: US coronavirus: Cuomo urges Trump to act on medical supplies as Rand Paul tests positive – live: First senator to test positive, though he says he’s asymptomatic Governor issues scathing indictment of government delays and missteps Mayor Bill de Blasio warns hospital supplies will run out in a week Follow global [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xotN0T | 19:54 |
| LjL | python47`, hmm, your growth still looks linear | 19:55 |
| LjL | deaths don't look reliable | 19:55 |
| LjL | new cases look very linear, too linear perhaps, when this happens i often suspect it's from a bottleneck in testing | 19:55 |
| python47` | LjL: cannot say anything about the state of France .. sadly | 19:56 |
| python47` | some redditor used to make daily local summaries but not anymore | 19:57 |
| tinwhiskers | someone posted a link to a new google covid-19 tracker, but I can't seem to find it now. Any ideas? | 19:57 |
| python47` | offloop data are ahead of plague.com .. | 20:00 |
| python47` | or maybe not | 20:00 |
| tinwhiskers | nah, it wasn't plague.com. I thought it was hosted on google.com | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:56 UTC: Governors across the nation slam federal coronavirus response: 'We didn't take this seriously': State governors say their demands for more masks and other medical equipment are not being met, forcing them to compete with each other for critical supplies in the coronavirus pandemic. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/1zSykd | 20:02 |
| azbycx | https://datastudio.google.com/u/0/reporting/1IRC1BIEgYsxTXREX1fGAfN0rk7kWH_Ic/page/BjUDB?s=iDKuC1zYs_s | 20:03 |
| oriba2 | tinwhiskers: is it older or from today? | 20:03 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah, here it is. https://www.google.com/covid19/ | 20:04 |
| tinwhiskers | more specifically, https://www.google.com/covid19-map | 20:05 |
| HeXiLeD | i got family with cases happening 4km away from their homes :| | 20:07 |
| tinwhiskers | eek | 20:07 |
| HeXiLeD | elderly too | 20:08 |
| HeXiLeD | really close family | 20:08 |
| aradesh | nice for italy not to have a bigger death toll today than yesterday, for once | 20:09 |
| python47` | yeah | 20:09 |
| HeXiLeD | it is not like they have choise | 20:09 |
| HeXiLeD | *choice | 20:09 |
| aradesh | the USA seem like the must be pretty good at actually testing for the virus, given they've confirmed almost 40,000 cases now | 20:12 |
| aradesh | with a death toll of 400 | 20:12 |
| bin_bash | nope still really shitty about testing | 20:12 |
| aradesh | but they've tested so many people | 20:12 |
| aradesh | to get 40,000 positive | 20:12 |
| bin_bash | there's 300,000,000 | 20:13 |
| bin_bash | people | 20:13 |
| MrBrave | Hmm | 20:13 |
| thunderduck | %data china | 20:14 |
| Brainstorm | thunderduck: In all areas, China, there are 81397 cases, 3265 deaths (4.0% of cases), 72440 recoveries as of March 22, 18:48Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 4.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 20:14 |
| MrBrave | %italy | 20:14 |
| MrBrave | %data italy | 20:14 |
| Brainstorm | MrBrave: In all areas, Italy, there are 59138 cases, 5476 deaths (9.3% of cases), 7024 recoveries as of March 22, 18:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 20:14 |
| kreyren | Czech republic has first fatality due covid-19, Patient Male 95 years, i was told he died the same day in the hospital | 20:16 |
| aradesh | italy seems to have got its doubling time down up to about 5 days now... UK is still at about 3 | 20:17 |
| mefistofeles | US is actually catching up fast in tests, as well Australia | 20:17 |
| thunderduck | %data us | 20:18 |
| Brainstorm | thunderduck: In all areas, US, there are 38757 cases, 400 deaths (1.0% of cases), 178 recoveries as of March 22, 18:48Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 20:18 |
| aradesh | LjL: after china got its doubling time up to about 5 like you, it was about 1-2 weeks before their number of cases really began to level off... so good luck! | 20:20 |
| LjL | aradesh, i am not too hopeful given how loose our lockdown measures have been so far. but i think they're way stricter now, we even if we don't see some change in the curve in the next week... wait another couple ;( | 20:26 |
| LjL | i have said this in private to people, i'll say it again here | 20:26 |
| kreyren | update on the czech death: Apparently he died of natural causes, but statistically it's coronavirus dead since he had that in his system(?) | 20:26 |
| LjL | I *think* that the overall impression about Italy's lockdowns from abroad has largely been of "like Wuhan except compatible with western values" | 20:26 |
| LjL | i believe that is NOT true | 20:26 |
| LjL | the lockdown was half-assed on paper, and even looser in practice | 20:27 |
| LjL | this is changing now, but you should NOT see Italy as an example of "lockdown hasn't worked", because the lockdown wasn't seriously there | 20:27 |
| LjL | media have reported it's basically "everything closed down, everyone at home at all times" | 20:27 |
| LjL | it's not like that, maybe it'll be like that starting next week, but it hasn't so far | 20:27 |
| LjL | kreyren, there's a lot of quibbling over deaths like that in Italy too... they call it people dying "due" vs "with" coronavirus | 20:28 |
| kreyren | yep seems to | 20:28 |
| aradesh | LjL: i think it's that we hear stories of things in other countries like spain, france, and we here italy locking things down 'further', and see that their death toll is higher, so we assume they're doing the most | 20:29 |
| fructose | LjL: Well, lockdown hasn't worked in that you need to enforce your lockdown for it to work | 20:31 |
| LjL | aradesh, yes, i'm concerned about that assumption | 20:32 |
| LjL | fructose, yes, that's exactly what i'm trying to say | 20:33 |
| LjL | i am *afraid* that other countries' governments and people won't realize that it hasn't worked because we didn't really have it | 20:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:17 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Angela Merkel in quarantine; Spain set to extend state of emergency: German chancellor in self-isolation after her doctor tests positive for coronavirus; reports say 360 more people have died in Italy; first two cases in Gaza [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/T00P9L | 20:33 |
| LjL | they'll think we have done the most, and were the first to, and it hasn't worked "anyway" | 20:33 |
| LjL | i'm concerned about this possible interpretation, which is incorrect | 20:33 |
| LjL | for once, just make public opinion say "it was just italians doing things the italian way" | 20:34 |
| LjL | because really it was | 20:34 |
| LjL | hopefully it gets much stricter from now on | 20:34 |
| LjL | but we'll pay for that with many more deaths | 20:34 |
| aradesh | LjL: well hopeuflly the governments will know... they should (hopefully!) have access to your experts and such, for good quality information | 20:36 |
| aradesh | angela merkel has it? | 20:36 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +443 cases (now 342057), +10 deaths (now 14601), +3 recoveries (now 98745) 🔸 Turkey: +289 cases (now 1236), +9 deaths (now 30) 🔹 Afghanistan: +6 cases (now 40) 🔹 Armenia: +4 cases (now 194) 🔹 Canada: +41 cases (now 1426) 🔹 Grand Princess, Canada: +3 cases (now 13) 🔹 Ontario, Canada: +47 cases (now 424) 🔹 Congo (Kinshasa): +7 cases (now 30) [... want %more?] | 20:36 |
| LjL | aradesh, she's just quarantined for meeting someone who does | 20:37 |
| BamBaRay36 | Merkel goes quarantaine, Her doctor was diagnosed positive | 20:37 |
| LjL | she may have it but she may not | 20:37 |
| aradesh | oh | 20:37 |
| aradesh | "German Chancellor Angela Merkel is in quarantine after a doctor who gave her a vaccine tested positive for coronavirus." | 20:37 |
| aradesh | that would be pretty unlucky | 20:38 |
| farn | I think there's truth to the stereotype that Germans are good at following rules, for better or worse. So we might see over the next days whether it worked. | 20:38 |
| aradesh | get a vaccine to make you safer, and then you catch corona virus | 20:38 |
| python47` | irony | 20:38 |
| bin_bash | rand paul tested positive | 20:38 |
| aradesh | why does she get a vaccine to make her safer, but no one else does? | 20:38 |
| fructose | LjL: Here they are doing senior center bingo | 20:38 |
| aradesh | i thoguht there were no useful vaccines | 20:38 |
| LjL | aradesh, doctor-patient interaction has proven to be a very viable means of transmission unfortunately | 20:38 |
| LjL | aradesh, everyone should get a flu vaccine, although it may a bit late now | 20:39 |
| LjL | plus, other vaccines may help avoid comorbidities | 20:39 |
| farn | I'm guessing lots of medial workers carry the virus at this point. | 20:39 |
| aradesh | is it just a normal flu vaccine then? i had a flu vaccine last winter | 20:39 |
| LjL | if you get COVID *and* something else, that's not a good time you're going to face | 20:39 |
| bin_bash | aradesh: she didn't get a covid-19 vaccine, she likely got a flu vaccine | 20:39 |
| LjL | the fact that there is no vaccine *for* COVID doesn't mean other vaccines for other things are worthless, even wrt COVID itself | 20:39 |
| LjL | aradesh, i don't know what vaccine she was given | 20:40 |
| aradesh | i see | 20:40 |
| LjL | but rest assured it wasn't a "COVID vaccine" | 20:40 |
| oriba2 | no not flu vaccine ... pneomokokken | 20:40 |
| bin_bash | ^^ | 20:40 |
| LjL | it might have been the pneumonia vaccine | 20:40 |
| LjL | oriba2, right | 20:40 |
| bin_bash | that's not how you spell it | 20:40 |
| LjL | it protects against *bacterial* pneumonia | 20:40 |
| bin_bash | or maybe that's how german's spell it? | 20:40 |
| LjL | so, not the viral pneumonia that COVID causes, but, if you get bacterial pneumonia on top... not fun | 20:40 |
| bin_bash | pneumoccal vaccine | 20:40 |
| oriba2 | will that virus help to get rid of her? then covid-19 would have a positive aspect, hehe | 20:40 |
| oriba2 | the Merkel plaque | 20:41 |
| LjL | well obviously oriba2 didn't know the english spelling and said it in the language they knew it... | 20:41 |
| Cherenkov | Does anyone have an idea how the virus reached Italy? Another question I have is why can't we produce more ventilators since they are so important? Beside the number of ventilators, what else is limiting the death rate? | 20:41 |
| oriba2 | LjL: yes | 20:41 |
| LjL | let's not make *that* sort of political comments on people... they're not really political, they're... well, let's not go there | 20:41 |
| AimHere | Cherenkov, people are producing more ventilators | 20:41 |
| oriba2 | LjL: ok, ok | 20:41 |
| LjL | Cherenkov, it is unclear how it reached Italy, because a "patient zero" has not been found, but it's not particularly surprising that it *did* reach Italy | 20:41 |
| AimHere | Cherenkov, it's just that obviously it wasn't something everybody knew to do until recently | 20:41 |
| mefistofeles | Cherenkov: fashion week? | 20:42 |
| LjL | Cherenkov, it reached other European countries at about the same time, but for various reasons that are not yet completely clear, Italy had an initially much worse outbreak | 20:42 |
| mefistofeles | though I heard people talkinga bout a UEFA Champions League game as well | 20:42 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, yeah, there are hypotheses like that about the early spreading | 20:42 |
| LjL | but anyhow, there were clusters in Germany too, and now Germany is mainly spiking due to *their own* clusters they had already | 20:42 |
| LjL | they kept them under control for longer | 20:43 |
| Cherenkov | Thanks for all the answers. To Portugal were some dudes who went to Italy to see the new shoe models, as far as I know | 20:43 |
| LjL | Italy found itself in a situation where even after quarantining the core areas where the spread was occurring, medical personnel had already been infected without being immediately traced, and that can't end well | 20:43 |
| Cherenkov | So they could import them or fabricate them | 20:44 |
| euod[m] | LjL: yeah. that's sort of the thing. there's people who are carrying it with absolutely no shows that they are. so even well meaning contact goes poorly. | 20:44 |
| berndj | LjL, a story caught my eye earlier, about a speculation that it actually started in italy and then went on a chinese holiday. is this at all plausible? | 20:44 |
| cryptodonkey | Is it true that in Italy before the look down in Lombardy took effect ~10,000 people "fled" lombardy and travelled to other parts of italy? If so, that would probably have helped spread virus quicker and wider. | 20:45 |
| euod[m] | supposedly. | 20:45 |
| euod[m] | people around me are packing bags and leaving. | 20:45 |
| euod[m] | who the fuck knows to where. | 20:45 |
| AimHere | berndj, sounds highly unlikely, given that it's a zoonotic virus and the place in China where it apparently started was a live animal market | 20:46 |
| LjL | berndj, i find that unlikely as stated, but i'd have to look into it more | 20:46 |
| AimHere | Occam's razor would suggest the most likely explanation is the obvious one | 20:46 |
| berndj | AimHere, yeah, i generally take the wet market origin hypothesis as the one favoured by occam's razor | 20:46 |
| Cherenkov | cryptodonkey: that's what is happening in France, they are going to the rural side trying to avoid the virus but they are only helping spreading it | 20:46 |
| berndj | but likelihood != plausibility | 20:47 |
| LjL | cryptodonkey, i am not sure about the numbers, but yes, when the lockdown was enacted in Lombardy only, it did cause many people to "flee" Lombardy, back to their native regions. and that CAN be a problem, but for now, the biggest problem is still *in* Lombardy, so if that's going to be a problem, it's yet to be fully seen | 20:47 |
| LjL | it's hard to adopt measures without them also having a "rebound" negative effect, due to the way people react | 20:47 |
| LjL | people repeatedly hoarded supermarkets every time a new emergency law was announced | 20:47 |
| LjL | there was no reason to do that, and they stopped doing it soon | 20:47 |
| LjL | but every time, they did it again | 20:47 |
| LjL | and even if they stop quickly, those are large gatherings with risk of widespread infection | 20:48 |
| berndj | i find it more irrational to be surprised by it than to do it | 20:48 |
| LjL | in fact i believe they really really should figure out a way to keep supermarkets closed and just do deliveries for everyone | 20:48 |
| cryptodonkey | Cherenkov: I guess people are people and react similiarly.. I live in a rural area and am doubly glad I do so now ;) | 20:48 |
| LjL | berndj, well, lawmakers and the politicians announcing it should definitely be aware of these effects, and consult with psychologists and sociologists to minimize the impact | 20:48 |
| berndj | LjL, or just like in the old days, where you gave the grocer your list and they packed it for you! | 20:49 |
| LjL | but... perfection is hard to attain in the best of cases | 20:49 |
| LjL | then when you're in Italy, it's just unattainable :P | 20:49 |
| cryptodonkey | Thanks LjL, the news I've been reading made me think it's bad all over Italy | 20:49 |
| dared_ | https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-most-contagious-before-during-first-week-symptoms | 20:49 |
| dared_ | interesting | 20:49 |
| LjL | berndj, well... i don't if that would be helpful. maybe. but now, supermarkets are almost empty, because the number of people who are allowed to be inside is limited. so it's already perhaps not so much about transmission inside the supermarket (although i'm concerned about packaging surfaces). but OUTSIDE of supermarkets, there are now very, very long queues. to be fair, part of the reason they're long is because people do seem to keep the 1m distance | 20:50 |
| LjL | from each other | 20:50 |
| mefistofeles | Germany asks for 2m, fwiw | 20:51 |
| berndj | LjL, have supermarket opening hours increased to compensate for the lower throughput? | 20:51 |
| LjL | cryptodonkey, it's definitely not "good", because in EVERY region of Italy, there is community transmission. there is no place where it's actually "contained". however, look at the actual figures, from https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/ for instance (it's very detailed) and you'll see that the core problem is still in and around Lombardy | 20:51 |
| dared_ | When you read the article I posted, you will see how infectious this virus is and the individual may not have any symptoms | 20:52 |
| LjL | berndj, sigh. no. in fact, there were rumors the government was going to *limit* the opening hours, and so people hoarded them again when that rumor spread. and then, i'm afraid, some supermarkets actually *are* limiting opening hours / days of their own accord, probably because employees are becoming scared of working | 20:52 |
| dared_ | this is main problem of COVID-19 | 20:52 |
| LjL | dared_, i am already aware that the period of peak infection is likely when you have *few* symptoms. maybe not "none", but it doesn't matter, because if you're just almost-but-not-quite developing a cold, you usually keep on doing what you always do. but that's when you're shedding the most virus | 20:53 |
| aradesh | fortunately i have not had any symptoms, and i'm able to work from home | 20:55 |
| aradesh | so i'm quite lucky | 20:55 |
| dared_ | my prediction is that it will not be easy to get rid of this global contagion, and we are talking about maybe a few years before it can stabilize in some way | 20:55 |
| aradesh | i don't have as much food in as i'd like though :\ i'm gonna have to go shopping at some point in the week | 20:55 |
| dared_ | the consequences will be worse than the Spanish flu | 20:55 |
| aradesh | let's hope it doesn't mutate like the spanish flu did | 20:56 |
| LjL | dared_, the article is interesting, but a study on 9 subject has a bit of a limited sample | 20:56 |
| LjL | aradesh, order groceries online, if you can, while you can | 20:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:50 UTC: US coronavirus: Cuomo urges Trump to act on medical supplies as Rand Paul tests positive – live: First senator to test positive, though he says he’s asymptomatic Governor issues scathing indictment of government delays and missteps Mayor Bill de Blasio warns hospital supplies will run out in a week Follow global [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xotN0T | 20:57 |
| aradesh | no available slots :/ | 20:57 |
| aradesh | i'll check again | 20:57 |
| LjL | aradesh, oh well, then you can't | 20:57 |
| LjL | aradesh, supermarket websites basically go haywire around midnight here | 20:57 |
| LjL | because that's when the next slots open | 20:57 |
| LjL | and everyone connects to them | 20:57 |
| LjL | at least those supermarkets that are still doing deliveries at all... | 20:57 |
| tinwhiskers | All planes coming to Tonga are now diverted. The borders are closed to everyone. I've lost my chance to go back to NZ now :-( | 20:58 |
| LjL | i'm sorry | 20:58 |
| dared_ | as the main problem I see: | 20:58 |
| dared_ | - a long incubation period without symptoms while the person is already highly infectious | 20:58 |
| dared_ | - in some individuals the disease does not manifest itself enough to force them to test and spread the virus to others | 20:58 |
| dared_ | - no mask will prevent the virus from penetrating the environment | 20:58 |
| dared_ | - the constant movement of people in public, which cannot be corrected in any way in today's civilized world | 20:58 |
| LjL | but i suspected it would be too risky, tinwhiskers, so maybe it's for the best | 20:58 |
| LjL | it's hard to decide what to do | 20:59 |
| euod[m] | on everybodies part this will result in a huge number of visa violations. | 20:59 |
| euod[m] | and people getting kicked out of countries. | 20:59 |
| LjL | dared_, i think that's all true except for the last point | 20:59 |
| tinwhiskers | I would have been happy waiting it out here except my lung thing is getting worse and I really wanted to see a real doctor. | 20:59 |
| LjL | lockdowns ARE possible | 20:59 |
| LjL | and they WILL eventually happen "properly" | 20:59 |
| LjL | it might be too late, and many many people will die | 20:59 |
| LjL | which is why i keep saying that we must lock down for real, and we must do it early | 20:59 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, oh | 21:00 |
| dared_ | panic begins, looting, the world economy collapses, and the world falls into a deep crisis | 21:00 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, could you maybe have a remote consultation with a doctor abroad? not sure if they can determine anything like that, just from your clinical picture... | 21:00 |
| LjL | dared_, let's take it one day at a time | 21:00 |
| python47` | SK testing kits https://twitter.com/vaitor/status/1241337295606657033?s=20 | 21:00 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm | 21:01 |
| tinwhiskers | I could try that | 21:01 |
| tinwhiskers | I cant even send any samples away because there is no planes | 21:01 |
| HeXiLeD | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbIVnnMT18 Watch Live: Gov. Cuomo Briefs On Coronavirus Pandemic ( | 21:01 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, how many pneumologists(?) may there be on the island? | 21:01 |
| tinwhiskers | 0 | 21:01 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, no planes, even for goods? | 21:01 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, airports are still open for goods here | 21:01 |
| tinwhiskers | apparently even for goods | 21:01 |
| tinwhiskers | we'll only have surface goods | 21:01 |
| tinwhiskers | I may have to buy a yacht and make a run for NZ | 21:02 |
| LjL | python47`, is this something you can actually do *all* at home, without sending it back to anyone? | 21:02 |
| python47` | no idea | 21:02 |
| LjL | guilhermeesq[m], it would be preferable to post actual links, or just a description of what happens, if you can at all... images are quite distracting, and on IRC, a nuisance | 21:03 |
| python47` | I didn't even imagine the test being done at home | 21:03 |
| python47` | just supply for hospitals | 21:03 |
| LjL | python47`, this looks like a home kit to me | 21:03 |
| LjL | python47`, also, it's an antibody kit, not a PCR kit | 21:03 |
| LjL | so maybe it can be done at home | 21:03 |
| tinwhiskers | The only planes that come here are Fiji Airlines and Air NZ. Air cargo comes with the Air NZ passenger planes and they advise all aircraft have diversion notices until further notice. | 21:03 |
| tinwhiskers | Fiji Airlines already stopped a while ago | 21:04 |
| LjL | python47`, and since it's both IgM and IgG, i believe this should also be usable for seeing if you *have had* the disease | 21:04 |
| dared_ | I recommend to watch the film Contagion from 2011 | 21:04 |
| dared_ | It is like copy paste | 21:04 |
| s8ori | ^ | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:56 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Peak unemployment in the United States during the Great Recession was 10%. — from WHO at 19:56: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/mFXXbU | 21:05 |
| tinwhiskers | dared_: I've not seen it but heard the disease portrayed in the film was a bit more deadly than 2-5% | 21:05 |
| dared_ | the virus was more deadly in this movie, but the real situation is much worse because the virus is more insidious in nature | 21:07 |
| dared_ | In the film of infection the incubation period was too short, so such viruses do not have a chance to succeed. COVID-19 has an incubation period of 14 days (during which the individual is highly contagious) and at the same time, if it is not sufficiently manifested after 14 days, the individual continues to spread the virus | 21:09 |
| tinwhiskers | By the time I download the movie the pandemic will be over (18 months?) | 21:09 |
| Timvde | dared_: "highly" contagious? | 21:09 |
| ryouma | does that article contradict a previous one that said that you are contagious for 31d after you are recovered, or similar? | 21:09 |
| Timvde | Contagious, sure, but if you don't cough or anything, it should be limited, no? | 21:10 |
| dared_ | same was with Ebola, incubation was too short to spread virus to more people | 21:10 |
| Timvde | I mean, obviously keep distance from each other and don't share drinks or something stupid like that | 21:10 |
| tinwhiskers | it's not just incubation period. You can have a long incubation period and not be a problem. It's a long incubation period PLUS contagious before symptoms show up. | 21:11 |
| Timvde | dared_: Ebola symptoms were also pretty bad, not something you could ignore as "just a cough" | 21:11 |
| dared_ | definitely not! Some individuals are infected and have no symptoms! | 21:11 |
| tinwhiskers | You're missing the point | 21:11 |
| HeXiLeD | Idris Elba is a popular example of that | 21:11 |
| AimHere | Elba did have mild symptoms though. Runny nose, IIRC | 21:12 |
| tinwhiskers | you can have disease with a long incubation period that isn't a problem because symptoms show up. Here people can spread the disease before symptoms show (*or they don't show at all) | 21:12 |
| LjL | i need to get away from the keyboard because 1) dinner 2) my right arm is experiencing some serious RSI 3) i need to relax a bit. this is mainly a message to ops here, who will probably know i'd like them to keep an eye on some things | 21:12 |
| tinwhiskers | Anyway, I have to go to the hospital now and see if I can find a decent doctor | 21:13 |
| dared_ | If you look at the current numbers, I think it's just a fraction of those who are infected around the world and don't even know about it at the moment | 21:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:08 UTC: US coronavirus: negotiations over stimulus bill teeter as nation awaits Trump briefing – live: Rand Paul becomes first senator to test positive for Covid-19 Cuomo issues scathing indictment of government delays and missteps Bill de Blasio warns hospital supplies will run out in a week Follow global updates live See [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xotN0T | 21:13 |
| ryouma | gl tinwhiskers | 21:13 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: thanks :-) | 21:14 |
| dared_ | Today is March, I think this year's quarter is only the first phase of world collapse | 21:15 |
| ryouma | hope to hear back from you that you are ok and the islands are ok | 21:15 |
| ryouma | %data tonga | 21:16 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: Sorry, tonga not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 21:16 |
| Timvde | LjL: I would say "Smakelijk" in Dutch, but there isn't really an English translation for it | 21:16 |
| dared_ | Someone from Tonga here? | 21:16 |
| LjL | Timvde, no, but we have "buon appetito" :) dank je | 21:17 |
| Timvde | My Italian is pretty non-existing :P | 21:17 |
| ryouma | i like non-translatable words | 21:17 |
| Timvde | I'll remember it's basically the same as French | 21:17 |
| LjL | no no no Timvde | 21:18 |
| Timvde | ryouma: Literally, it means something like "tasty", but you can use it as a standalone to wish somebody a "tasty" (nice) meal | 21:18 |
| LjL | it's the french that's the same as the italian, obviously | 21:18 |
| Timvde | LjL: it's all Latin /shrug | 21:18 |
| LjL | verum est! | 21:18 |
| dared_ | Ebola compared to COVID-19 is just an epidemic that strikes but disappears just as quickly | 21:18 |
| AimHere | Ebola is the spree killer that goes out and shoots up the neighbourhood for 2 hours before a SWAT team sniper takes him out. CovID 19 is the supervillain who poisons the entire drinking water supply. | 21:20 |
| pwr22 | !cases uk | 21:20 |
| CovBot | In United Kingdom there have been a total of 5,683 cases as of 2020-03-22 19:55:00 UTC. Of these 5,309 (93.4%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 93 (1.6%) have definitely recovered and 281 (4.9%) have died. | 21:20 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: trackers menu. France https://covidaire.fr/map.php | 21:20 |
| pwr22 | !cases london | 21:20 |
| CovBot | In London, United Kingdom there have been a total of 2,189 cases as of 2020-03-22 20:15:58 UTC. | 21:20 |
| Timvde | !cases Belgium | 21:21 |
| CovBot | In Belgium there have been a total of 3,401 cases as of 2020-03-22 14:13:06 UTC. Of these 3,063 (90.1%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 263 (7.7%) have definitely recovered and 75 (2.2%) have died. | 21:21 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: just seen it there under another menu. nvm | 21:22 |
| Timvde | !cases Europe | 21:22 |
| Timvde | :( | 21:23 |
| CovBot | My data doesn't seem to include Europe. It might be under a different name, data on it might not be available or there could even be no cases. You may have more luck if you try a less specific location, like the country it's in. | 21:23 |
| CovBot | If you think I should have data on it you can open an issue at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot/issues and Peter will take a look. | 21:23 |
| Timvde | %cases Europe | 21:23 |
| Brainstorm | Timvde: Sorry, Europe not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 21:23 |
| dared_ | Based on what we can see so far, COVID-19 is far less deadly to infected patients than Ebola or MERS (Middle East respiratory syndrome, another novel coronavirus). However, the fact that this coronavirus is so contagious and has crossed borders means significantly more people are expected to die. | 21:23 |
| yuriwho | https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/22/gilead-suspends-access-to-experimental-covid-19-drug-remdesivir/ | 21:23 |
| python47` | someone on another chan vomits but has no thermometer .. | 21:27 |
| python47` | any simple hack to get an idea of temp ? | 21:27 |
| python47` | melting speed of an ice cube ? ~_~ | 21:27 |
| dared_ | just your hand | 21:27 |
| python47` | yeah that the last resort | 21:28 |
| Timvde | dared_: that's really inaccurate | 21:28 |
| dared_ | I case of fever your hand will be everytime colder | 21:28 |
| Timvde | My hands are currently cold, so my head feels warm | 21:28 |
| Timvde | I took my temperature and I was at 36.1°C | 21:28 |
| python47` | yeah unless you're used to doing that, it's hard to know if it's fever hot or not | 21:29 |
| mefistofeles | %cases france | 21:29 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, France, there are 16018 cases, 674 deaths (4.2% of cases), 2200 recoveries as of March 22, 20:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 21:29 |
| Timvde | The room temperature is rather low, so my hands are cold while my body is keeping my head warm | 21:29 |
| dared_ | I have 3 children, I can recognize fever by hand :) | 21:30 |
| LjL | %cases EU | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Reunion, there are 47 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 22, 20:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Reunion for time series data. | 21:30 |
| LjL | Gah | 21:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:26 UTC: /u/mmm_toasty: Gilead, maker of the antiviral drug remdesivir, has suspended its compassionate use program in favor of rolling out a much larger clinical trial. Gilead will now be able to conduct a full-scale trial, making remdesivir available to a much larger number of patients without needing physicians to apply [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8g9gT5 | 21:30 |
| python47` | dared_: the person i'm talking with doesn't seem fever-able :D | 21:30 |
| LjL | Trial is good, suspending compassionate use I dunno, but I guess they're sort of incompatible | 21:30 |
| LjL | python47`: I can't fathom people who haven't even bought a thermometer | 21:31 |
| Timvde | LjL: I literally went out to buy one two weeks ago | 21:31 |
| LjL | It's something like... every family that I know of has always had around | 21:31 |
| Timvde | I didn't have one either | 21:31 |
| Timvde | It doesn't help that I relatively recently moved out, am rarely sick and don't have any kids whom I have to take the temperature of | 21:32 |
| dared_ | but fever doesn't mean you have COVID-19 right away, I had a fever last week, but I stayed calm because I know I got a cold over the weekend and it was going to be flu | 21:32 |
| LjL | python47`: a meat thermometer may work but I assume they're unlikely to have one | 21:32 |
| python47` | LjL slow down bro, the dude said the stores were empty when he tried | 21:32 |
| LjL | Otherwise, distinguishing 37 from 38 may be a tad hard | 21:32 |
| python47` | bad luck can happen | 21:33 |
| dared_ | COVID-19 does not mean that other diseases have disappeared :) | 21:33 |
| python47` | in the mean time, potential russian confinement in progress https://twitter.com/DannyDutch/status/1241811075365994498?s=20 | 21:33 |
| mefistofeles | so this is becoming more and more a covid-19-anxiety support group, nothing wrong with that but... are we actually willing to help in a more direct way? Making something? codiing something? Idk | 21:33 |
| python47` | dared_: honestly I use a thermometer once every 5 years (I have no kids) it's easy to lose them | 21:33 |
| LjL | python47`: okay but how do people not already have one, evidently they don't, but there's something in between full prepper paranoia and... Having a €5 body thermometer at all times | 21:33 |
| dared_ | A year ago my children underwent mononucleosis and I was much more worried about them because the temperatures were over 40 | 21:34 |
| Timvde | LjL: It was €10 here, did I get ripped off? :( | 21:34 |
| python47` | LjL: as I said, bad luck | 21:35 |
| dared_ | Dont worry python, you will be ok | 21:35 |
| dared_ | The psychic also plays a big role in the successful cure of a person from any disease | 21:36 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 Brazil: +337 cases (now 1546), +7 deaths (now 25) 🔸 Austria: +262 cases (now 3564) 🔹 Afghanistan: +6 cases (now 40) 🔹 Armenia: +4 cases (now 194) 🔹 Canada: +41 cases (now 1426) 🔹 Grand Princess, Canada: +3 cases (now 13) 🔹 Ontario, Canada: +47 cases (now 424) 🔹 Congo (Kinshasa): +7 cases (now 30) 🔹 Costa Rica: +17 cases (now 134) [... want %more?] | 21:36 |
| Blankspace | I feel like I have contracted covid | 21:37 |
| python47` | dared_: me ? | 21:37 |
| dared_ | fe | 21:37 |
| mefistofeles | Blankspace: talk to your doctor, call your health unit | 21:37 |
| python47` | Blankspace: how many people in your house ? | 21:37 |
| Timvde | Talk to your doctor _over the phone_, don't go there | 21:37 |
| python47` | we don't care about you, just dont spread \s | 21:38 |
| Blankspace | Many | 21:38 |
| Blankspace | I live in shared apartment | 21:38 |
| dared_ | Now I am talking more about patients in Italy. Thanks to the media massage, these people come to hospitals with the feeling that they are going to die there | 21:38 |
| Timvde | One of my housemates also got out for a picknick today... | 21:39 |
| Timvde | But she claims to have kept distance at all times, let's hope it's true | 21:39 |
| Blankspace | But I have dry cough | 21:39 |
| mefistofeles | Timvde: wtf? still stupid | 21:39 |
| dared_ | You need to keep your head calm and believe that no disease will take you away | 21:39 |
| mefistofeles | Blankspace: fever? diarrhea? | 21:40 |
| Timvde | mefistofeles: Yes, but at least in two day she's going to her boyfriend's parents, so not my problem anymore /s | 21:40 |
| AimHere | Blankspace, loss of smell/taste? | 21:40 |
| mefistofeles | Blankspace: but honestly, you should just call your doctor | 21:40 |
| mefistofeles | Timvde: to infect them, nice xD | 21:40 |
| Blankspace | I feel feverish from inside but not from outside. | 21:41 |
| Bluebird | Good luck guys and stay safe. All the Best. Bye | 21:41 |
| python47` | ciao | 21:41 |
| python47` | Blankspace: do you think your doc will answer right away ? | 21:41 |
| python47` | maybe you have a special phone line | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:40 UTC: US coronavirus: negotiations over stimulus bill teeter as nation awaits Trump briefing – live: Rand Paul becomes first senator to test positive for Covid-19 Cuomo issues scathing indictment of government delays and missteps Bill de Blasio warns hospital supplies will run out in a week Follow global updates live See [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xotN0T | 21:46 |
| Blankspace | I'll not go out | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 Illinois, US: +296 cases (now 1049) 🔹 Afghanistan: +6 cases (now 40) 🔹 Armenia: +4 cases (now 194) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +32 cases (now 126) 🔹 Greenland: +2 cases (now 4) 🔹 Qatar: +13 cases (now 494), +6 recoveries (now 33) 🔹 California, US: +6 cases (now 1560) 🔹 Indiana, US: +1 deaths (now 6) 🔹 World: +47 cases (now 336484), +6 recoveries (now 98765) | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:45 UTC: /u/slakmehl: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Several months before the coronavirus pandemic began, the Trump administration eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China, Reuters has learned. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/an50Tt | 21:55 |
| HeXiLeD | is russia doing this ? https://twitter.com/iamjbryte/status/1241765054300557319 seems quite effective. | 21:55 |
| HeXiLeD | :P | 21:55 |
| yuriwho | HeXiLeD: that is a fake story | 21:56 |
| HeXiLeD | hence the :P | 21:56 |
| v0idkr4ft[m] | %data New York | 21:57 |
| Brainstorm | v0idkr4ft[m]: In New York, US, there are 11710 cases, 60 deaths (0.5% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 01:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 21:57 |
| blackntan | %data dublin | 21:58 |
| Brainstorm | blackntan: Sorry, dublin not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 21:58 |
| blackntan | %data ireland | 21:58 |
| Brainstorm | blackntan: In all areas, Ireland, there are 906 cases, 4 deaths (0.4% of cases), 5 recoveries as of March 22, 20:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ireland for time series data. | 21:58 |
| blackntan | %data mauritius | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | blackntan: In all areas, Mauritius, there are 28 cases, 2 deaths (7.1% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 22, 20:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Mauritius for time series data. | 21:59 |
| blackntan | %data brazil | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | blackntan: In all areas, Brazil, there are 1546 cases, 25 deaths (1.6% of cases), 2 recoveries as of March 22, 20:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Brazil for time series data. | 21:59 |
| blackntan | %data kuwait | 22:00 |
| Brainstorm | blackntan: In all areas, Kuwait, there are 188 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 30 recoveries as of March 22, 20:44Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Kuwait for time series data. | 22:00 |
| ubLIX | blackntan: you can pm Brainstorm | 22:00 |
| blackntan | ubLIX: hehe ... sorry | 22:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:46 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus: Italy bans any movement inside country as toll nears 5,500 — from WHO at 20:46: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/iUVTCb | 22:03 |
| oriba2 | for those who understand german language... about corona in politics and media over tha last months: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL3JMzH2-D8 | 22:12 |
| osomatsu_kun | Does anyone know why Myanmar is no data? | 22:16 |
| python47` | usa are growing fast. | 22:25 |
| HeXiLeD | yes. the US likes to be number 1 at everything | 22:26 |
| oriba2 | one example from the video: "There is objectively no reason to be concerned about the coronavirus" german mainstream-media, 2020-03-05: https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article206345587/Corona-Objektiv-kein-Grund-sich-Sorgen-zu-machen.html | 22:26 |
| eleklytr[m] | !cases germany | 22:32 |
| CovBot | In Germany there have been a total of 24,852 cases as of 2020-03-22 21:05:00 UTC. Of these 24,492 (98.6%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 266 (1.1%) have definitely recovered and 94 (0.4%) have died. | 22:32 |
| metroeo | !cases usa | 22:33 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 32,356 cases as of 2020-03-22 21:05:00 UTC. Of these 31,764 (98.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 178 (0.6%) have definitely recovered and 414 (1.3%) have died. | 22:33 |
| djkaufland[m] | !cases italy | 22:34 |
| CovBot | In Italy there have been a total of 59,138 cases as of 2020-03-22 18:13:20 UTC. Of these 46,638 (78.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 7,024 (11.9%) have definitely recovered and 5,476 (9.3%) have died. | 22:34 |
| tjray | !cases canada | 22:35 |
| CovBot | In Canada there have been a total of 1,436 cases as of 2020-03-22 21:30:00 UTC. Of these 1,402 (97.6%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 14 (1.0%) have definitely recovered and 20 (1.4%) have died. | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:29 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Ireland tells citizens to come home, speculates flights back from Germany will not be possible in a few days. — from WHO at 21:29: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/hZ9PRf | 22:39 |
| python47` | father's stuck in the toilet | 22:39 |
| python47` | my gut are a bit messy | 22:39 |
| python47` | who just became a hub ! | 22:39 |
| rantri | !cases israel | 22:41 |
| CovBot | In Israel there have been a total of 1,071 cases as of 2020-03-22 21:30:00 UTC. Of these 1,033 (96.5%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 37 (3.5%) have definitely recovered and 1 (0.1%) have died. | 22:41 |
| rantri | hi everyone | 22:41 |
| python47` | hi everyou | 22:41 |
| rantri | where you from? | 22:42 |
| tang3nt_man[m] | !cases Burma | 22:43 |
| CovBot | My data doesn't seem to include Burma. It might be under a different name, data on it might not be available or there could even be no cases. You may have more luck if you try a less specific location, like the country it's in. | 22:43 |
| CovBot | If you think I should have data on it you can open an issue at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot/issues and Peter will take a look. | 22:43 |
| tjray | !cases Myanmar | 22:44 |
| CovBot | My data doesn't seem to include Myanmar. It might be under a different name, data on it might not be available or there could even be no cases. You may have more luck if you try a less specific location, like the country it's in. | 22:44 |
| CovBot | If you think I should have data on it you can open an issue at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot/issues and Peter will take a look. | 22:44 |
| tjray | well crap lol thought it was worth a try | 22:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:39 UTC: /u/BlatantConservative: AFP news agency su Twitter: "#UPDATE The first French doctor battling the coronavirus has died as the death toll in the country spiralled to 674 Sunday https://t.co/YwX2UgHbJv" — from WHO at 21:39: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/KQ9qBK | 22:47 |
| oriba2 | WTF: https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients | 22:48 |
| pyna | !cases Bhutan | 22:48 |
| CovBot | In Bhutan there have been a total of 2 cases as of 2020-03-20 14:13:37 UTC. Of these 2 (100.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 0 (0.0%) have definitely recovered and 0 (0.0%) have died. | 22:48 |
| LjL | guys, if you want to see many countries, remember you can just click on the website in the room topic | 22:48 |
| LjL | you don't have to keep invoking the bot | 22:48 |
| python47` | LjL: you should had this message to the per country output | 22:51 |
| python47` | add* | 22:51 |
| python47` | few people read the topic (I rarely do) | 22:51 |
| LjL | python47`, the what | 22:51 |
| LjL | python47`, i don't run CovBot, i run Brainstorm | 22:52 |
| LjL | Brainstorm comes with a link :P | 22:52 |
| LjL | pwr22 runs CovBot on Matrix, i run Brainstorm on IRC | 22:52 |
| oriba2 | Austria: database of health ministry: personal data were available to the public: https://www.derstandard.at/story/2000115960650/datenleck-bei-coronavirus-seite-des-gesundheitsministeriums | 22:55 |
| oriba2 | Thats NOT what I mean when asking or public / open data ... | 22:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 21:52 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Gaza — from WHO at 21:52: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/7BXthV | 22:56 |
| python47` | oh ok | 22:56 |
| johnfht654 | hello anyone here thinks this was done by the cchinese to take over the stock market cheap and sabotage the economy? what a coincidence that they already have it controlled, got plenty of masks and a vaccine ready. | 23:03 |
| the_owls_are_not | I’m watching the Trump briefing right now and his boys are rocking a serious 1000 mile stare. | 23:04 |
| LjL | an almost empty senate is passing a bill, i think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEg3t9nfqgE | 23:04 |
| LjL | in the US | 23:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:00 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Angela Merkel in quarantine; Spain set to extend state of emergency: German chancellor in self-isolation after her doctor tests positive for coronavirus; reports say 360 more people have died in Italy; first two cases in Gaza [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/T00P9L | 23:04 |
| LjL | johnfht654, i don't think there's any grounds to make those allegations | 23:04 |
| LjL | and honestly i'd rather keep them out of here | 23:04 |
| johnfht654 | ok ling jing li | 23:05 |
| LjL | very droll | 23:06 |
| python47` | johnfht654: i believe you were sent by xi jingpin too | 23:08 |
| HeXiLeD | johnfht654: doubtful. no one can/could predict the outcome of this. highly doubtful to nah. | 23:11 |
| johnfht654 | what do you mean hexiled | 23:11 |
| johnfht654 | they release a bit in wuhan as a cover | 23:12 |
| johnfht654 | they close all the roads | 23:12 |
| johnfht654 | at the same time they release a lot in the west | 23:12 |
| HeXiLeD | answered you. | 23:12 |
| LjL | you know actually i'm running this channel as a cover up for an operation by Cuba to spread this virus, and i'm advocating for lockdowns because, in fact, we have studied the virus and lockdowns are found to significantly enhance its eventual spread | 23:12 |
| LjL | damn did i say that out loud | 23:12 |
| LjL | we Cubans are sort of outspoken, forget what i just said | 23:13 |
| HeXiLeD | you are cuban now? | 23:13 |
| LjL | who, me? i never said that. | 23:13 |
| johnfht654 | ling jing li is cuban? | 23:13 |
| HeXiLeD | "LjL | we Cubans " | 23:13 |
| HeXiLeD | didnt1able[m]: still alive? | 23:14 |
| Alohomora | %stats spain | 23:14 |
| Brainstorm | Alohomora: In all areas, Spain, there are 28603 cases, 1756 deaths (6.1% of cases), 2575 recoveries as of March 22, 16:13Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 23:14 |
| HeXiLeD | ups not you. | 23:14 |
| HeXiLeD | dividediff[m]: still alive | 23:14 |
| HeXiLeD | ? | 23:14 |
| LjL | johnfht654, it's no longer very droll the second time | 23:14 |
| ubLIX | johnfht654: last i heard, ##coronavirus-vox welcomes any idea, no matter how outlandish | 23:16 |
| Timvde | Hmm, I compared the two major newspapers here | 23:16 |
| HeXiLeD | ubLIX: ? | 23:16 |
| OpDrake | Who thinks the virus might kill millions in the next few weeks/ | 23:16 |
| OpDrake | ? | 23:16 |
| Timvde | One of them has most of the corona news for free, except some articles I'm mostly not interested in ("How Tom Hanks woke up the US") | 23:16 |
| HeXiLeD | OpDrake: not millions | 23:17 |
| ubLIX | HeXiLeD: no, that is what i heard. am i wrong? | 23:17 |
| Timvde | The other one has about half of it behind a paywall, even basic FAQs | 23:17 |
| OpDrake | HeXiLeD, just thousands? | 23:17 |
| Timvde | So that's pretty horrible... | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: hah hi! it's you to run this chan? chanserv hides ACLs | 23:17 |
| Timvde | OpDrake: Yea, millions sounds pretty crazy, thousands is quite likely | 23:17 |
| OpDrake | Timvde, The Spanish flu killed 50 millions | 23:17 |
| HeXiLeD | OpDrake: ya | 23:17 |
| Timvde | OpDrake: you did say "next few weeks" | 23:18 |
| OpDrake | Timvde, Aye, I did | 23:18 |
| LjL | hey DocScrutinizer05, actually yeah | 23:18 |
| Timvde | Tens of thousands is also possible, I fear | 23:18 |
| LjL | windy as hell here all of a sudden | 23:18 |
| Timvde | But I hope we can contain it a bit better than that | 23:18 |
| OpDrake | Timvde, I think Merkel will die of Coronavirus | 23:18 |
| mefistofeles | OpDrake: well, 50/50, not so hard to get it right xD | 23:19 |
| LjL | OpDrake, let's not make such predictions please | 23:19 |
| Timvde | OpDrake: I think she will get priority treatment, so she's probably fine | 23:19 |
| HeXiLeD | we can also do a rough estimate and see how any people we have in the world from avery age group affected by the virus and then have an idea (not accurate tho) | 23:19 |
| pyna | coronavirus:gaslit population::bleach:ammonia | 23:19 |
| python47` | third time my old guy went to the toilet | 23:19 |
| Timvde | Also, has it been confirmed that she's infected? | 23:19 |
| mefistofeles | Timvde: no | 23:19 |
| python47` | no | 23:19 |
| contingo | no | 23:19 |
| Timvde | I only read that she was in contact with a patient | 23:19 |
| python47` | Timvde: but she had germanite | 23:19 |
| python47` | much worse conditoin | 23:19 |
| OpDrake | I think the incubation period for that virus is something like 2 weeks? | 23:20 |
| mefistofeles | OpDrake: up to 2 weeks, yes | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OpDrake: nope | 23:20 |
| HeXiLeD | OpDrake: r u worried about politicians? | 23:20 |
| mefistofeles | the avg is around 4-7 days | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually shorter I think | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what mefistofeles said | 23:20 |
| OpDrake | HeXiLeD, nope. they are evil | 23:21 |
| HeXiLeD | :) | 23:21 |
| HeXiLeD | there are a lot of people that we could lose. pedos, rapists, terrorists, drug dealers... | 23:21 |
| HeXiLeD | and a few others ;) | 23:21 |
| OpDrake | HeXiLeD, I wish the virus would hit thought though and leave the good people | 23:22 |
| HeXiLeD | the virus just needs to be intelligent | 23:22 |
| OpDrake | those | 23:22 |
| OpDrake | aye | 23:22 |
| HeXiLeD | maybe the wave | 23:22 |
| HeXiLeD | maybe the next wave | 23:22 |
| HeXiLeD | OpDrake: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-corridors-power-which-world-leaders-have-covid-19/ | 23:23 |
| python47` | while we were ~joking about governments | 23:23 |
| python47` | I wonder if the NSA monitored very early data from Wuhan | 23:23 |
| HeXiLeD | interesting question... | 23:23 |
| python47` | (proving once again that expensive tools dont necessarily change the course of events) | 23:24 |
| HeXiLeD | yah probably. why would they not | 23:24 |
| OpDrake | HeXiLeD, I'm sure Biden and Sanders might have it. those old guys. I don't know why the president must be that old :( | 23:24 |
| python47` | NSA: cant stop terrorism, cant stop disease, still searching for it's value | 23:24 |
| HeXiLeD | OpDrake: if they have it, it is good news | 23:25 |
| OpDrake | lol | 23:25 |
| HeXiLeD | and also maybe they well will be motivated to speed up stuff to fight all this | 23:25 |
| OpDrake | what I fear mostly is the outcome of this crisis, HeXiLeD . there will be some global economic depression soon. | 23:26 |
| HeXiLeD | i dont think will be like before. | 23:26 |
| OpDrake | aye | 23:27 |
| python47` | OpDrake: we all are concerned about this side | 23:27 |
| python47` | there are subreddits for this too | 23:27 |
| HeXiLeD | but... all this youthful entitlement about everything, all tese feminist radical people and other types of radicals... are going to get shut | 23:27 |
| OpDrake | Actually, I agree with some conspiracy theorists who claim the Coronavirus is a bioweapon, it seems likely to be one | 23:27 |
| python47` | subreddits dont change the world but it helps finding people and information | 23:27 |
| HeXiLeD | stuff will change for sure. | 23:27 |
| OpDrake | sure | 23:28 |
| HeXiLeD | OpDrake: also have doubts about. i would possible entertain the idea of a lab experience that went wrong but ... doubt it. | 23:28 |
| OpDrake | HeXiLeD, if that was true, it would be an evil lab for starters to make such viruses, but anything is possible! | 23:29 |
| mefistofeles | https://coronastats.co/ not sure if you have seen this one, but it's pretty interesting | 23:29 |
| HeXiLeD | mistakes could happen without evil. Let me put it this way, when humans play with something, mistakes happen. | 23:30 |
| HeXiLeD | OpDrake: did you get the notice | 23:30 |
| OpDrake | HeXiLeD, so rules must be strict from now on regarding future experiments in that area. | 23:30 |
| OpDrake | we don't have to deal with them | 23:30 |
| OpDrake | it's like we're playing with fire | 23:31 |
| OpDrake | so we'll get burnt eventually | 23:31 |
| HeXiLeD | OpDrake: no clue. again, rules should be strict everywhere when we play with nature. | 23:31 |
| OpDrake | Aye | 23:31 |
| dunnp | OpDrake: how does it seem likely to be a bioweapon? there are nearly identical strains identified from bats | 23:31 |
| HeXiLeD | the planet does not care about feelings and political correctness | 23:32 |
| OpDrake | dunnp, Anything is possible, it's what some conspiracy theorists claim | 23:32 |
| LjL | well, we aren't conspiracy theorists here | 23:32 |
| OpDrake | dunnp, we live in an evil world as well, so anything is possible | 23:32 |
| dunnp | conspiracy theorists are gonna conspiracy | 23:32 |
| OpDrake | it's a dog eat dog world | 23:32 |
| LjL | conspiracies exist. however, creating them out of thin air doesn't help. | 23:32 |
| python47` | nice board mefistofeles | 23:32 |
| LjL | "anything's possible" does not lead to any useful conclusions | 23:33 |
| LjL | it isn't false, possibly, but it also isn't helpful | 23:33 |
| OpDrake | LjL, just to take some precautionary acts | 23:33 |
| HeXiLeD | OpDrake: anyway, in cases nearby you? | 23:33 |
| OpDrake | anything is possible is a fact, we still don't know what's happened. | 23:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:30 UTC: (news): Trump activates National Guard in California, New York and Washington state to fight coronavirus outbreak — from WHO at 22:30: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/VX1Ye0 | 23:33 |
| LjL | precautions against this virus are discussed all the time, and they are independent of how it came to "life" | 23:33 |
| dunnp | OpDrake: we don't understand biology well enough to make a super virus | 23:33 |
| LjL | "anythinig is possible" is most definitely not a fact | 23:33 |
| OpDrake | HeXiLeD, thankfully no | 23:33 |
| LjL | we don't know THAT anything is possible | 23:34 |
| OpDrake | dunnp, we as people on here? | 23:34 |
| dunnp | OpDrake: we as in humanity | 23:34 |
| HeXiLeD | anyone knows if 'we' hace any AI working on finding a cure? or helping? | 23:34 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, you're things? i recharged one of my N900's batteries a while ago when i was feeling a bit better than usual, and recharged my collection of handhelds and stuff i'd been neglecting... unfortunately one of the two batteries i had for it is dead. at least the other one works. | 23:35 |
| LjL | how're* | 23:35 |
| OpDrake | HeXiLeD, Italy is fuc*ed though. I'm upset for them | 23:35 |
| HeXiLeD | OpDrake: yah. agreed. same. | 23:36 |
| LjL | "fucked", that's a word. if you think it's inappropriate, don't use it. if you think it's appropriate, it's silly to "hide it behind" an asterisk. | 23:36 |
| HeXiLeD | But the US will top everyone soon | 23:36 |
| OpDrake | LjL, are you the channel mod? | 23:36 |
| LjL | does it matter? | 23:36 |
| ubLIX | has anyone ever done double blinded randomised controlled trials of courses of education in epistemology applied to cohorts of conspiracy theorists? would be interesting to know if anything works | 23:36 |
| dunnp | agreed HeXiLeD | 23:36 |
| OpDrake | because it seems you want to apply certain rules on here | 23:37 |
| LjL | ubLIX, i had difficulty reading your sentence without my brain stack overflowing | 23:37 |
| dunnp | give it a week or so | 23:37 |
| python47` | ubLIX: :) | 23:37 |
| LjL | OpDrake, no actually i don't have any "certain rules" in mind | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: Neo dead :-/ | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unfortunate | 23:37 |
| LjL | however, OpDrake, if you aren't sure how to behave in this channel, definitely feel free to just lurk for a while before you actually speak | 23:37 |
| LjL | you will figure out what sort of talk is okay here | 23:37 |
| OpDrake | LjL, calm down! | 23:38 |
| OpDrake | it seems you're a bit stressed tbh | 23:38 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, ehh you were on life support for a good while, i'm afraid | 23:38 |
| LjL | OpDrake, i have reason to be | 23:38 |
| python47` | OpDrake: he lieves in milan | 23:38 |
| python47` | -e | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: that's the point. Actually for too long, with too many mishaps | 23:38 |
| LjL | python47` is very sympathetic to my cause, he has been born with the terrible tragedy of being French. he understands how it feels to be the wrong person in the wrong place | 23:39 |
| HeXiLeD | lol | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe | 23:39 |
| python47` | hi DocScrutinizer05 | 23:39 |
| LjL | python47`, hey i was going to eat that | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi! :-) | 23:39 |
| LjL | how do i know it's not all full of virions now | 23:40 |
| LjL | python47`, don't tell me you have an N900 too | 23:40 |
| python47` | I cannot find that covid economic strategy subreddit | 23:40 |
| python47` | LjL no I'm a Motorola fanatic | 23:40 |
| LjL | python47`, oh i have a Milestone | 23:40 |
| LjL | it's not in a great shape anymore | 23:40 |
| python47` | Moto G series | 23:40 |
| python47` | i'm sure even in bad shapes it still does the job | 23:40 |
| LjL | i have one of those too, it's in a great shape, i have my data-only SIM in it | 23:40 |
| LjL | it gets a bit hot when i use it as a hospot, also doesn't have great range, but hey | 23:41 |
| LjL | it's called a hotspot after all | 23:41 |
| python47` | moto g are so "nice" i consider buying old ones even without fancy new features | 23:41 |
| LjL | will you marry me | 23:41 |
| python47` | that escalated quickly | 23:41 |
| LjL | you're right | 23:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:34 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Trump administration confirms that the Defense Production Act is still not being used to compel the production of medical supplies currently in shortage. — from WHO at 22:34: We can beat COVID-19 virus through solidarity: WHO Regional Director for Europe → https://is.gd/c1RTmv | 23:41 |
| python47` | I think its normal for old batteries to get hot with age | 23:42 |
| LjL | did he confirm that due expressedly to the fact that Cuomo wanted it used | 23:42 |
| python47` | something something internal resistance | 23:42 |
| LjL | python47`, eh, it's the phone i think, not the battery. i think if a lithium battery gets hot, i want to get the hell away from it. | 23:42 |
| LjL | i was a wuss even *before* this virus. | 23:42 |
| mefistofeles | time for audiobooks | 23:42 |
| python47` | https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fn2lpv/moroccan_student_chooses_to_self_quarantine_alone/ | 23:43 |
| python47` | LjL yeah that old cpu is also abused by modern apps | 23:43 |
| python47` | mefistofeles: what kind ? | 23:44 |
| python47` | I should try science audiobooks because my ADD is too strong for PDFs | 23:44 |
| mefistofeles | python47`: im now into scifi | 23:44 |
| LjL | https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fn2lpv/moroccan_student_chooses_to_self_quarantine_alone/fl77wvf/ ← i think i means "I would like to live in a tent in a forest *with him*" | 23:44 |
| LjL | he, also | 23:44 |
| python47` | mefistofeles: ha | 23:45 |
| pyna | dang, the 900. i had a 770 but the touchscreen stopped working pretty quickly. still miss it sometimes. it was better for ebooks and drawing more modern stuff still is (imo) | 23:46 |
| pyna | s/more/than more/ | 23:46 |
| Brainstorm | pyna meant to say: dang, the 900. i had a 770 but the touchscreen stopped working pretty quickly. still miss it sometimes. it was better for ebooks and drawing than more modern stuff still is (imo) | 23:46 |
| dunnp | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETvqosDUYAADYA0?format=jpg&name=large | 23:46 |
| pyna | ty, robot | 23:46 |
| dunnp | USA #1 | 23:46 |
| LjL | pyna, i have an N800 too, MyPaint supports stylus pressure on it, i can't draw but i think that's sleek | 23:46 |
| HeXiLeD | the italian temper i know very well https://twitter.com/protectheflames/status/1241403715036291072?s=09 Italian mayors and regional presidents LOSING IT at people violating quarantine. So as i said yesterday, i have doubts italians not upset with china at some point. | 23:47 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, lol... is this even real | 23:48 |
| pyna | LjL: yeah they were before their time. multitasking and a real-ish OS too | 23:48 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: i know this temper and much more. | 23:49 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, well some of them are obviously, uhm, southern | 23:49 |
| LjL | ah the first one is Campania too | 23:49 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: oh yah the south... goes nuts | 23:49 |
| LjL | couldn't quite place him | 23:49 |
| LjL | at least he's gentlemanly | 23:49 |
| HeXiLeD | north is more quiet. | 23:50 |
| LjL | he'd use flamethrowers, but he says it nicely | 23:50 |
| HeXiLeD | eheh | 23:50 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, the one who talks about hairdressers while waving his glove-fitted hands... | 23:52 |
| LjL | i love regional languages, i really do | 23:52 |
| LjL | but if you have to yell like a madman, do it in italian, at least i'll understand | 23:52 |
| HeXiLeD | LjL: i can tell you this, i think those guys are holding themselves back just because of their public position. If they were regular people, it would be funny. | 23:53 |
| LjL | i wouldn't exactly go as far as saying they're holding themselves back | 23:53 |
| HeXiLeD | well, that is my experience. | 23:54 |
| HeXiLeD | specially with the south | 23:54 |
| LjL | if they weren't holding themselves back, what, they'd take up flamethrowers themselves? | 23:54 |
| HeXiLeD | no, they would say the same, but physically very agitated to violent and a lot more loud | 23:54 |
| LjL | but also, this is funny and everything, but there's way too many people in the south that think this is "the north's problem" and don't give a damn | 23:54 |
| LjL | to be fair, there's more than enough people in the north who also don't give a damn, though | 23:54 |
| HeXiLeD | and "catzo" would be every 3 second | 23:55 |
| adham | Hey I want to share some techniques I use for fighting diseases you 1.grint with your death and then 2.You cloth your mouth 3.try to not inhale breath like you are giving up and this needs direct attention for a long time | 23:55 |
| LjL | HeXiLeD, the one with hairdressers is pretty damned loud, i had to lower the volume to stop my speakers from creaking | 23:55 |
| LjL | (cazzo) | 23:55 |
| HeXiLeD | tks cazzo | 23:55 |
| adham | Close* | 23:55 |
| LjL | say again? | 23:55 |
| LjL | is it "1. grind your teeth" | 23:56 |
| HeXiLeD | what? | 23:56 |
| LjL | i'm just trying to interpret that | 23:56 |
| LjL | i'm sure "grint with your death" isn't a sentence | 23:56 |
| LjL | or not the sentence being intended, at least | 23:56 |
| LjL | well | 23:57 |
| LjL | now this kind of sort of does finally look like a lockdown https://www.milanocam.it/Cadorna/images_archive.php?archive_display_date=20200322&archive_display_hour=13&rotate= | 23:58 |
| LjL | eerie, but it's the way it should be | 23:58 |
| LjL | well, very eerie, if i scroll through the entire day's worth | 23:58 |
| pepee | https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Cloth-Face-Mask/ | 23:59 |
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