| LjL | Torna all'indice Torna all'indice | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| LjL | cambio di argomento | 00:00 |
| LjL | La variazione percentuale giornaliera | 00:00 |
| LjL | Come varia la crescita in termini percentuali dei casi totali giorno per giorno. | 00:00 |
| LjL | Made with Flourish | 00:00 |
| LjL | Torna all'indice Torna all'indice | 00:00 |
| LjL | cambio di argomento | 00:00 |
| LjL | Tamponi giornalieri e contagiati" heading | 00:00 |
| AimHere | yx[m], assuming you're not the guys being bought out. Now how do the guys buying out control all the world's scientists? | 00:00 |
| LjL | err | 00:00 |
| Timvde | LjL: You probably made a paste booboo | 00:00 |
| LjL | i'm sorry | 00:00 |
| LjL | sometimes the browser doesn't exactly copy what it says it would copy :x | 00:00 |
| LjL | "Tamponi giornalieri e contagiati" ← is the heading | 00:00 |
| AimHere | It's not like there's not hundreds of thousands of them | 00:00 |
| Timvde | LjL: I have a warning when pasting multiple lines, it helps :) | 00:00 |
| Timvde | I could/should maybe just use a multiline editbox | 00:01 |
| LjL | Timvde, i have a stupid IRC client that was last updated in like 1994! | 00:01 |
| LjL | i should just use Konversation even though i've decided i don't like KDE anymore | 00:01 |
| LjL | well, i decided that quite a while ago, but anyway | 00:01 |
| Timvde | Pff, you're using a GUI client | 00:01 |
| LjL | only ever! | 00:02 |
| Timvde | I was totally expecting you to use irssi after saying that | 00:02 |
| LjL | i grew up on an Amiga | 00:02 |
| LjL | the command line is only useful for *commands* | 00:02 |
| Timvde | weechat is a really nice client though | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 00:02 |
| LjL | true | 00:02 |
| LjL | but still | 00:02 |
| Timvde | And I've grown to hate znc | 00:02 |
| skyofdust | I'm using weechat myself it's pretty cute | 00:02 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | > <@freenode_LjL:matrix.org> well, i decided that quite a while ago, but anyway | 00:02 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | * LXQT and import Kde apps as needed. Still bloaty for all the libraries, but an improvement over the default KDE experience. | 00:02 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | <LjL "well, i decided that quite a whi"> LXQT and import Kde apps as needed. Still bloty for all the libraries, but an improvement over the default KDE experience. | 00:03 |
| LjL | oh god the bridge | 00:03 |
| yx[m] | AimHere: nobody's saying there is no virus. The video talks about what's going on behind the scenes | 00:03 |
| LjL | anyway, i was gonna say, we're doing about 20k-25k tests a day, with 25%ish of them turning out positive | 00:03 |
| AimHere | Right, there's opportunist rich folks trying to exploit the stimulus, ofc. | 00:04 |
| LjL | M01de5m9ds6e[m], i really kinda like using full-blown desktop environments, untrendy as that is :( | 00:04 |
| pyna | christ catching up on the news after working all day. POTUS seems to have gone in the lab and independently discovered that people would prefer if they didn't have to stay at home | 00:06 |
| LjL | shocking | 00:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:55 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: NSW records more than 1,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 including two children under 10 – latest — from WHO at 22:55: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/u8qiSD | 00:07 |
| pyna | and that the economy "was not designed to shut down" | 00:07 |
| LjL | well, neither was Windows 3.1 | 00:08 |
| LjL | that's why i'd just flick the switch | 00:08 |
| AimHere | http://blogs.correiobraziliense.com.br/vicente/nomes-de-pacientes-sonegados-pelo-hfa-com-teste-positivo-para-o-coronavirus-podem-ser-os-de-bolsonaro-e-da-primeira-dama/ <- Rumours in Brazil that Bolsonaro and his wife have tested positive | 00:09 |
| LjL | pyna, yep. so when something's just old and crashy, throw it away and start anew | 00:10 |
| LjL | AimHere, *again*? | 00:10 |
| LjL | you mean after totally not testing positive last time? | 00:10 |
| AimHere | Yep. Again. | 00:11 |
| LjL | "Nomes de pacientes sonegados pelo HFA com teste positivo para o coronavírus podem ser os de Bolsonaro e da primeira-dama" ← uh... are all the *other* names somehow made public? | 00:11 |
| AimHere | This time, there was a redaction on a list of people tested positive | 00:11 |
| LjL | AimHere, was it like a list of all the presidential staff | 00:12 |
| AimHere | Something like that; you're probably better placed to read Portuguese than I am | 00:12 |
| AimHere | You're at least fluent in a language from the same language family :) | 00:13 |
| LjL | portuguese is a surprisingly hard nut to crack | 00:13 |
| LjL | but yeah i can more or less follow | 00:13 |
| LjL | maybe Bolsonaro is one of those rare cases of getting not-infected twice | 00:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 23:23 UTC: /u/slakmehl: NPR su Twitter: "The head of the World Health Organization on the acceleration of the coronavirus: "It took 67 days from the first reported case to reach the first 100,000 cases, 11 days for the second 100,000 cases and just 4 days for the third 100,000 cases." https://t.co/NhI4Ope1Fg" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/DuydV4 | 00:25 |
| LjL | pepee, https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A%2F%2Fstanfordmedicine.box.com%2Fv%2Fcovid19-PPE-1-1 | 00:26 |
| LjL | %title | 00:26 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From m.box.com: mask-ppe-EBM-v1.1-3-22-20.pdf - Box | 00:26 |
| LjL | well that's not a very useful title but okay | 00:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: NSW records more than 1,000 confirmed cases of Covid-19 including two children under 10 – latest — from WHO at 23:29: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/u8qiSD | 00:38 |
| nb | %data usa | 00:42 |
| Brainstorm | nb: In all areas, US, there are 53287 cases, 689 deaths (1.3% of cases), 370 recoveries as of March 24, 23:27Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 00:42 |
| nb | %data indiana, usa | 00:43 |
| Brainstorm | nb: Sorry, indiana, usa not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 00:43 |
| Raf[m] | No data in Indiana? | 00:43 |
| Raf[m] | %data indiana | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | Raf[m]: In Indiana, US, there are 201 cases, 6 deaths (3.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 24, 23:27Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 00:44 |
| nb | oh ok | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +2011 cases (now 459102), +183 deaths (now 20638) 🔸 US: +238 cases (now 53443), +9 deaths (now 696) 🔸 Spain: +2173 cases (now 42058), +183 deaths (now 2991) 🔹 Argentina: +86 cases (now 387) 🔹 Armenia: +10 recoveries (now 14) 🔹 Aruba: +5 cases (now 17) 🔹 Australia: +171 cases (now 2315) 🔹 Bahamas: +1 cases (now 5), +1 recoveries (now 1) [... want %more?] | 00:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:47 UTC: Doctors warn coronavirus deaths could 'skyrocket' if restrictions are loosened as Trump wants: "As you increase the demand on the health-care system, the mortality rate goes up. It skyrockets," a doctor said when asked about the Trump administration loosening coronavirus guidelines. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/PA79IA | 00:55 |
| fructose | https://i.imgur.com/ZegPOQo.png | 01:04 |
| AimHere | %data spain | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | AimHere: In all areas, Spain, there are 42058 cases, 2991 deaths (7.1% of cases), 3794 recoveries as of March 24, 23:49Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 01:04 |
| AimHere | Yikes. 680 deaths over the last 24 hours | 01:05 |
| AimHere | I was hoping it was just a data glitch on worldometers | 01:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:59 UTC: Crime: UK police chiefs: coronavirus could bring out worst in humanity — from WHO at 23:59: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/eiVWfK | 01:13 |
| airgap | s/could bring/is bringing/ | 01:15 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +353 cases (now 459455), +8 deaths (now 20646), +65 recoveries (now 111965) 🔹 Argentina: +86 cases (now 387) 🔹 Armenia: +10 recoveries (now 14) 🔹 Aruba: +5 cases (now 17) 🔹 Australia: +173 cases (now 2317) 🔹 Bahamas: +1 cases (now 5), +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 168) 🔹 Brazil: +46 cases (now 2247) [... want %more?] | 01:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 00:23 UTC: /u/slakmehl: New York Times Editorial Board calls for a nationwide lock down. — from WHO at 00:23: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/DTKsWg | 01:26 |
| frmus | New York is done | 01:29 |
| nick34348 | I think we'll be able to get this under control. Because it was really bad in China before, but the number of cases isn't growing that much. I think the spread of the coronavirus can be slowed down as long as people stay under quarantine and practice social distancing | 01:32 |
| xdeadbeef | nick34348, so in 3 months or so we can emerge from our dwellings? | 01:36 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 US: +212 cases (now 53655), +2 deaths (now 698), +8 recoveries (now 378) 🔹 Argentina: +86 cases (now 387) 🔹 Armenia: +10 recoveries (now 14) 🔹 Aruba: +5 cases (now 17) 🔹 Australia: +173 cases (now 2317) 🔹 Bahamas: +1 cases (now 5), +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 168) 🔹 Brazil: +46 cases (now 2247) [... want %more?] | 01:36 |
| fructose | nick34348: Who is 'we'? | 01:36 |
| nick34348 | I just mean humanity in general I guess | 01:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:24 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 47 new imported cases, Asia markets jump: China's total was 81,218 confirmed cases, and 3,281 fatalities as of Mar. 24. The total number of imported cases was 474. — from WHO at 00:24: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 01:38 |
| xdeadbeef | in which case, we're fine. <1% is quite a small numbers for a species to lose. | 01:38 |
| nick34348 | Like in China the number of cases isn't growing that much, so that just shows that social distancing and quarantines can effectively stop the spread of the coronavirus | 01:39 |
| gildarts | This is, of course, assuming that we trust the CCP's numbers. | 01:40 |
| fructose | nick34348: I'm guessing you're trolling | 01:40 |
| xdeadbeef | gildarts, I'm rather liking (in the data sense) the JHU CSSE numbers. | 01:41 |
| AimHere | gildarts, if the pandemic isn't under control in China, it'll become apparent regardless of what numbers are being spouted by the CCP | 01:41 |
| nick34348 | I mean they have a lot of cases, but the total number of cases isn't growing as much as it used to, unless they're lying about the number of cases | 01:41 |
| xdeadbeef | nick34348, people are going back to work so I doubt it | 01:42 |
| gildarts | AimHere: Eventually at least, yeah. | 01:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 00:40 UTC: Coronavirus: What's the risk to young people?: An 18-year-old has died of coronavirus in England. Are young people at risk from the virus? — from WHO at 00:40: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/55tnIr | 01:45 |
| pagetelegram | These documents just got dumped on me....do not know where to go with them to blow the whistle....counting on someone anyone: https://hand.is/mockingbird/mkultra.pdf https://hand.is/mockingbird/amok.pdf | 01:50 |
| xdeadbeef | ^ ummm, no. | 01:50 |
| pagetelegram | the amok pdf is incomplete....ran out of resources to get all pages in pdf using imagemagick | 01:50 |
| pagetelegram | xdeadbeef, where do I go with this information? | 01:51 |
| xdeadbeef | what information? | 01:51 |
| pagetelegram | you able to access? +755 | 01:51 |
| LjL | what on earth | 01:52 |
| pagetelegram | most is original sources....other mix match...amok however | 01:52 |
| LjL | %wa whois hand.is | 01:52 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (hand.is (domain)): Web hosting information: name | 1984 ehf location | Reykjavik, Hofudhborgarsvaedhi, Iceland host coordinates | 64° 8' 24"N, 21° 55' 12"W → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=whois+hand.is | 01:52 |
| AimHere | Ugh, that's a big dump of offtopic conspirajunk | 01:52 |
| pagetelegram | 1984 hosting | 01:52 |
| pagetelegram | iceland | 01:52 |
| LjL | how appropriate | 01:53 |
| pagetelegram | my host | 01:53 |
| pagetelegram | vps | 01:53 |
| pagetelegram | I need direction | 01:53 |
| pagetelegram | obviouys OT here | 01:53 |
| LjL | well... what should i say... yeah. | 01:53 |
| pagetelegram | I know Brandon Smith though is over the top for him | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:53 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China reports 47 new imported cases, Asia markets jump: China's total was 81,218 confirmed cases, and 3,281 fatalities as of Mar. 24. The total number of imported cases was 474. — from WHO at 00:53: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 01:57 |
| pagetelegram | In two weeks I am getting equipment to measure elf and uhf. I have a donor finally. However things will get a lot worse by then. I am plea ing someone else to look into this independently the UHF effects on organic biology. I do not have the equipment yet. I made a list of what is needed here: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1SSXMXENEFBPT/ref=nav_wishlist_lists_2?_encoding=UTF8&type=wishlist | 01:59 |
| xdeadbeef | elves? | 02:00 |
| pagetelegram | Extremely low freq .1-20hz | 02:01 |
| xdeadbeef | Ah | 02:01 |
| pagetelegram | requires 1" diaphramn condensor mic | 02:01 |
| pagetelegram | cheapest I can find is $300, Russian made mic | 02:02 |
| xdeadbeef | so, you are looking for money and people to download pdfs? | 02:04 |
| pagetelegram | no | 02:04 |
| xdeadbeef | :) | 02:04 |
| pagetelegram | blow the whistle...need someone else to test this shit. I am illprepared | 02:04 |
| xdeadbeef | then I've misunderstood! | 02:04 |
| xdeadbeef | test what? The effect of non-ionizing radiation sources? | 02:05 |
| pagetelegram | RNA affect UHF using the methods specified in patents of UHF biology | 02:05 |
| pagetelegram | Hypothesis is virus is being assistant in mutation via UHF globally. | 02:06 |
| ryouma | so you'renot looking into disinfecting? | 02:06 |
| pagetelegram | hampster wheel ^ | 02:07 |
| ryouma | ? | 02:07 |
| pagetelegram | I do not follow tyouma | 02:07 |
| pagetelegram | ryouma what is UHF? | 02:08 |
| pagetelegram | If you don't know what I am writing, please ask | 02:08 |
| ryouma | pagetelegram: i'd think you would know? --- 17:59 <pagetelegram> In two weeks I am getting equipment to measure elf and uhf. I have a donor finally. However things will get a lot worse by then. I am plea ing someone else to look into this independently the UHF effects on organic biology. I do not have the equipment yet. I made a list of what is needed here: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/1SSXMXENEFBPT/ref=na | 02:08 |
| ryouma | v_wishlist_lists_2?_encoding=UTF8&type=wishlist | 02:08 |
| ryouma | are you or are you not looking into using uhf or elf to create disinfecting machines? | 02:08 |
| ryouma | or is this a theory that worldwide unintentional frequencies are affecting virus? orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr is this a theory taht intentional frequencies are affecting virus? | 02:09 |
| pagetelegram | I have a donor. it will take two weeeks for me to get equipment plus time to get using it. Is there ANYONE that can run some tests and come up with some way to test the hyptothesis | 02:09 |
| xdeadbeef | viral mutation via non-ionising radiation is a bit out there for me. | 02:09 |
| xdeadbeef | burning it with enough amplitude might work (although strong UV light sources would probably be less dangerous) | 02:10 |
| pagetelegram | ^ xdeadbeef. who can? I maybe barking up the wrong tree here tho | 02:10 |
| pagetelegram | Without testing the biological effects can we monitor the UHF for suspect with a frequency counter and other methods after. | 02:11 |
| pagetelegram | Some other properties that come with it is a spining compass, disruptions in magnetic field. | 02:11 |
| xdeadbeef | well, I think the prevailing theory would be that the radiation wouldn't actually be able to change the properties | 02:11 |
| pagetelegram | Also looking at a cup of water and seeing ripples of certain wave lengths. | 02:11 |
| LjL | i know there was nothing much going on in the channel but... i have no idea what IS going on now O.o | 02:11 |
| xdeadbeef | (non ionising that is) | 02:11 |
| xdeadbeef | ionising, sure. | 02:12 |
| pagetelegram | If you corrlate the two with freqeuncer counter you can probably find a target to test | 02:12 |
| xdeadbeef | ?! | 02:12 |
| pagetelegram | What channel could you suggest for exotic shit like this? | 02:12 |
| LjL | hmm | 02:12 |
| dTal | /dev/null | 02:12 |
| LjL | there is an ##rtlsdr channel, was that what you were using too? | 02:12 |
| LjL | but not sure they take this | 02:13 |
| LjL | quite possibly not :P | 02:13 |
| pagetelegram | That could work. software dwefined radio. | 02:13 |
| pagetelegram | thanks | 02:13 |
| ryouma | ##electronics ##physics | 02:13 |
| pagetelegram | I started with researching and finding stuff on this virus and the U of M Ann Arbor incident was the red flag that set me in this direction | 02:14 |
| tinwhiskers | #nutters | 02:14 |
| pagetelegram | lol | 02:14 |
| pagetelegram | I'll go with physics since this is harmonics. | 02:14 |
| ryouma | there are so many ann arbor incident/conspiracy hits on google that i can't figure out which one? | 02:16 |
| pagetelegram | ryouma, a consolidation was just dumped on me, I have researched just the service and what I got today just blew me away | 02:16 |
| pagetelegram | *surface | 02:16 |
| tinwhiskers | There's a whole lot of better ways to mutate RNA than UHF :-/ | 02:16 |
| ryouma | um | 02:17 |
| pagetelegram | globally? | 02:17 |
| pagetelegram | 5G correlated with this roll out. Japan just rolled out 5G today | 02:17 |
| pagetelegram | UHF was reallocated for 5G | 02:17 |
| tinwhiskers | ah, ok. that's enough of that then pagetelegram | 02:17 |
| tinwhiskers | no 5G conspiracy crap here please | 02:17 |
| pagetelegram | sorry, I'll reframe | 02:17 |
| tinwhiskers | no, just stop. | 02:17 |
| LjL | be careful, he can make your graphs spike | 02:19 |
| JumpinJack | Hi eveyone - for those of you spring breakers looking for an alternativce to Florida, come to Lake Erie! | 02:19 |
| JumpinJack | https://youtu.be/WBGUmsdIjrA | 02:19 |
| LjL | seriously? | 02:19 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: I doubt anyone can do more harm than John Hopkins | 02:19 |
| LjL | :P | 02:19 |
| LjL | JumpinJack, sorry, i'm not going to condone reckless gathering | 02:20 |
| LjL | and FYI, plenty of young people end up in ICU too | 02:20 |
| LjL | maybe they survive, not sure if very fun with scarred lungs, but, somehow | 02:20 |
| tinwhiskers | And you'll be killing other people when you come home. What the hell is wrong with you? | 02:20 |
| xdeadbeef | Been working on some time series vids: Confirmed Cases: https://youtu.be/4NbTcgrZGac , Deaths: https://youtu.be/C_RMUT3yqDM | 02:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1153 cases (now 460654), +77 deaths (now 20723) 🔸 US: +1153 cases (now 54808), +77 deaths (now 775) 🔹 Argentina: +86 cases (now 387) 🔹 Armenia: +10 recoveries (now 14) 🔹 Aruba: +5 cases (now 17) 🔹 Australia: +173 cases (now 2317) 🔹 Bahamas: +1 cases (now 5), +1 recoveries (now 1) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +2 cases (now 168) [... want %more?] | 02:21 |
| LjL | good timing, Brainstorm. | 02:21 |
| LjL | xdeadbeef, i don't mean to belittle your work on those, but you do know there are a few trackers that can "play" time series? | 02:22 |
| tinwhiskers | xdeadbeef: that's cool but I reckon it needs to run a lot faster; like about 20 seconds in total | 02:23 |
| xdeadbeef | LjL, are they hand crafted in python using mpl_toolkits.basemap though? | 02:23 |
| LjL | no :) | 02:23 |
| tinwhiskers | also, there's only a few spots in USA and there should be a whole bunch | 02:23 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well youtube has a speed up feature these days | 02:24 |
| LjL | so maybe it's more flexible this way | 02:24 |
| tinwhiskers | true :-) | 02:24 |
| LjL | or... wait, it has both speed up and speed down? now i forget | 02:24 |
| LjL | i guess so. | 02:24 |
| ryouma | if you're walking around outside what is the recommended distance? | 02:25 |
| xdeadbeef | tinwhiskers, CSSE data only has 'USA' as one data point now: https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19 | 02:25 |
| tinwhiskers | I only get up to 2x speed, and still nearly fall asleep | 02:25 |
| tinwhiskers | xdeadbeef: Oh, I see | 02:25 |
| tinwhiskers | umm, they have each state listed | 02:25 |
| LjL | ryouma, recommended by whom? ask my government, they say 1m. ask most other governments, they say at least 2m. ask the chinese paper that was retracted with no entirely clear explanations, it's 4.5m. ask the ones who think it's airborne, it's stay at home at all times | 02:25 |
| LjL | (i think it's airborne, for the record, but i'm also a fretter) | 02:26 |
| ryouma | yeah that's kind of the impression i got | 02:26 |
| xdeadbeef | tinwhiskers, "Changes to the current time series include the removal of the US state and county-level entries, which will be replaced with a new single country level entry for the US." | 02:26 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 02:27 |
| LjL | ryouma, i think the reality, even with full-blown airborne transmission aside, is that nature doesn't measure things in metric. if by hypothesis it turns out to be 2m but the wind is blowing your way, then maybe even 3m won't do | 02:27 |
| xdeadbeef | just using: time_series_covid19_confirmed_global.csv and time_series_covid19_deaths_global.csv | 02:27 |
| tinwhiskers | That's what I'm using too | 02:27 |
| LjL | what the... the USA as one single data point? | 02:27 |
| Joe | lmao | 02:27 |
| LjL | are they trying to be ridiculously politically correct by not having "privileged" countries with subdivisions or...? | 02:27 |
| Joe | it's not airborne | 02:27 |
| tinwhiskers | well, presently they have states | 02:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 47 new imported cases, Singapore imposes lockdown measures — from WHO at 01:23: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 02:28 |
| Joe | you all are nuts | 02:28 |
| tinwhiskers | previously they had counties | 02:28 |
| LjL | Joe, oh whew. what's the paper please so i can calm down? | 02:28 |
| xdeadbeef | tinwhiskers, removed on the last update :( | 02:28 |
| xdeadbeef | now, 1 entry for :US 37.0902 -95.7129 | 02:28 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. bummer | 02:28 |
| LjL | hold on a minute, Singapore had *not* imposed lockdown measures before? | 02:29 |
| LjL | they'd managed with just isolation and tracing? | 02:29 |
| xdeadbeef | tinwhiskers, if you want to do the work, the daily have much more breakdown: csse_covid_19_daily_reports | 02:29 |
| xdeadbeef | but I'm lazy and just playing around with basemap for fun | 02:29 |
| Joe | LjL: lol, i'm not engaging with you. It's not airborne, stop the nonsense. | 02:30 |
| LjL | damn. between Singapore and Korea and Taiwan, i'm not so sure anymore that lockdowns are "the" way... but then again, there's no way you can do proper isolation and tracing at this time in Italy or, well... mostly places that aren't Singapore, Korea or Taiwan | 02:30 |
| LjL | no u | 02:30 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 02:30 |
| tinwhiskers | the airborne thing is not likely to be true | 02:31 |
| tinwhiskers | I would go as far as saying it's a load of bollocks | 02:31 |
| LjL | he certainly didn't leave without a PM invective first | 02:31 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i'm not sure why you'd say that though | 02:31 |
| tinwhiskers | epidemiology suggest close contacts only | 02:32 |
| LjL | there is a paper. i actually argued *against* it earlier because i don't think i don't think it fully even claims airborne transmission | 02:32 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | <tinwhiskers "the airborne thing is not likely"> SARS and MERS spread by airborne droplet. Its likely this does as well. | 02:32 |
| LjL | but it does claim it, and there is no paper that says "nope" | 02:32 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, droplets is well known to be happening | 02:32 |
| LjL | i think i'll wait for the peer review and everything, and adopt a cautionary principle in the meanwhile | 02:32 |
| LjL | M01de5m9ds6e[m], that's not the point | 02:33 |
| LjL | we are saying airborne as in aerosol | 02:33 |
| tinwhiskers | some droplets are very small and can hang in the air for about 3 hours | 02:33 |
| LjL | that stays around | 02:33 |
| tinwhiskers | this is not disputed afaik | 02:33 |
| xdeadbeef | When you say airborne do you mean like measles or if you sneeze on me? | 02:34 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | They took air samples 3 or 4 hours after infected used a hospital bathroom in beijing and found it floating around in the air. | 02:34 |
| xdeadbeef | :o | 02:34 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | I don't have the article for that but it is easy to find. | 02:35 |
| tinwhiskers | M01de5m9ds6e[m]: sure. that's well known to be the case | 02:35 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well... that's exactly what i meant by airborne transmission, though. that's a pretty long time. | 02:35 |
| tinwhiskers | ok then. It's airborne | 02:35 |
| tinwhiskers | That's not what I understood airborne to mean though | 02:35 |
| xdeadbeef | That helps to explain the global freak out a bit more | 02:35 |
| LjL | matter of definition i guess, but what *were* you thinking of? | 02:36 |
| LjL | if we go by Wikipedia, "An airborne disease is any disease that is caused by pathogens that can be transmitted through the air by both small, dry particles, and as larger liquid droplets[1]" we were both using airborne wrongly since "droplets" means airborne too | 02:36 |
| tinwhiskers | it means the virus can persist in the air without wet droplets indefinitely | 02:36 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | yeah, just take the strongest precautions that you can until it gets downgraded or you can get better precautions. Why take the chance? | 02:36 |
| xdeadbeef | Airborne transmission refers to situations where droplet nuclei (residue from evaporated droplets) or dust particles containing microorganisms can remain suspended in air for long periods of time. | 02:36 |
| LjL | but from a practical point of view, the difference for me lies in being able to say "i'm not standing near someone who's just sneezed or coughed, or even breathed for that matter, so i'm safe", and not | 02:37 |
| xdeadbeef | Droplets are too large to be airborne for long periods of time, and quickly settle out of air. | 02:37 |
| tinwhiskers | like individual virions just floating around | 02:37 |
| LjL | if i can be somewhere someone has been 3 hours ago and still get it from there, that's pretty airborne on my book. or call it what you want, but it makes a big difference to me | 02:37 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yes, you don't want to be in a room where someone coughed in the last few hours.\ | 02:37 |
| xdeadbeef | 3 or 4 hours is a long time | 02:37 |
| JumpinJack | Just reported, second wave is underway in China, 78 publicly reported new cases. | 02:38 |
| M01de5m9ds6e[m] | The individual virions are more difficult to filter due to their small size. When in droplets, at least some masks and respirators can filter it out. | 02:38 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, the Wikipedia article actually does *not* mentions virions themselves just hanging around in air... does this actually happen? | 02:38 |
| LjL | it talks about either being in droplets of varying sizes, or attaching to other particles | 02:38 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: well, as I say that's just my impression of what it meant | 02:38 |
| LjL | the overview also says "The pathogens transmitted may be any kind of microbe, and they may be spread in aerosols, dust or liquids." | 02:39 |
| tinwhiskers | clearly if you include wet droplets as airborne then all colds and flu are airborne as well | 02:39 |
| xdeadbeef | tinwhiskers, no | 02:39 |
| LjL | now it's just wikipedia, but i suspect that article must have been looked at pretty recently | 02:39 |
| LjL | oh well sure, i'd say colds and flu are pretty damned airborne :D | 02:39 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: ok :-) | 02:39 |
| LjL | "Many common infections can spread by airborne transmission at least in some cases, including: Anthrax (inhalational), Chickenpox, Influenza, Common Cold, Measles, Smallpox, Cryptococcosis, Pertussis and Tuberculosis. " | 02:39 |
| xdeadbeef | the droplets fall from the air in a short period of time | 02:39 |
| tinwhiskers | xdeadbeef: I agree | 02:39 |
| xdeadbeef | (in cold and flu) | 02:39 |
| tinwhiskers | that's why I wouldn't call those airborne | 02:40 |
| tinwhiskers | ...I was making a point | 02:40 |
| LjL | well, what's "short"? you wouldn't call this one airborne, but is 3-4 hours really "short" to you? | 02:40 |
| tinwhiskers | "clearly if you include wet droplets as airborne then all colds and flu are airborne as well" | 02:40 |
| xdeadbeef | This is the difference. I sneeze on you vs I sneeze and a few hours later you walk through. | 02:40 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, okay, fair enough, as i said i messed up with the definition too. but i'm trying to understand what's your thinking in making whatever distinction you make | 02:41 |
| LjL | what *are* the viruses that you, intuitively, would call airborne? | 02:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Those you listed | 02:41 |
| tinwhiskers | except influenza I'm a little surprised about :-) | 02:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, and cold | 02:41 |
| tinwhiskers | crap :-p | 02:42 |
| xdeadbeef | Tuberculosis, Chickenpox, Measles | 02:42 |
| LjL | i think we can all agree that we were all wrong on what airborne meant | 02:42 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 02:42 |
| xdeadbeef | according to these guys: https://eportal.mountsinai.ca/Microbiology/faq/transmission.shtml | 02:42 |
| LjL | except Joe, who no longer can ;-( | 02:42 |
| LjL | but i won't feel bad because i'll send out his warning for him: <Joe> your bullshit agenda is gonna hurt someone. | 02:43 |
| LjL | so beware of my bullshit agenda, guys | 02:43 |
| tinwhiskers | well, if colds and flu are considered airborne then SARS-COV-2 is also | 02:43 |
| LjL | xdeadbeef, i think a big difference is between those things that are in droplets, and those that are in "dust particles" | 02:44 |
| LjL | i'm sure droplets can be small, but dust can be pretty damned small | 02:44 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yeah, but again really, what makes the practical difference to me is "can it be there in the air without me even having other humans around" | 02:45 |
| LjL | which is unlikely if it stays in the air for 1 minute, much more likely for 3 hours | 02:45 |
| LjL | then they found traces of viral RNA on the cruise ship after 17 days, but that better be non-viable | 02:45 |
| LjL | if it is viable i'm gonna kick it | 02:45 |
| tinwhiskers | ok. In a room with poor ventilation it can remain in the air for about 3 hours. | 02:45 |
| LjL | as in, the bucket, or the virus, or both | 02:45 |
| xdeadbeef | if you sit in an adjacent room, with a vent in between, if you can catch it = airborne :) | 02:45 |
| tinwhiskers | If you open your window the room will be clear much sooner | 02:46 |
| Albright | Coming near the end of the third whole day of traveling no further than my mailbox. | 02:46 |
| tinwhiskers | xdeadbeef: yes, but it's unlikely | 02:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:34 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: Non-urgent elective surgery cancelled as hospitals prepare for Covid-19 – latest news — from WHO at 01:34: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/u8qiSD | 02:46 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well that alone would explain why self-quarantining in a room/bathroom but in the same house as others also live is so poorly effective. even with "all due precautions", it's just not possibly NOT going to hit them | 02:46 |
| xdeadbeef | until this conversation, I'd assumed cold / flu levels of sharing was the limit of this | 02:46 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, and indeed, now Italy is moving towards quarantining positive-but-not-hospitalized people in hotels, or, well, whatever we can find, instead of keeping them at home, if they live with others | 02:47 |
| LjL | so they must have figured this out too | 02:47 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 02:47 |
| tinwhiskers | In the same house you | 02:47 |
| tinwhiskers | 're expected to be exposed | 02:47 |
| LjL | well, but they'd typically tell you anyway to keep isolated and stuff | 02:47 |
| LjL | despite it rarely being effective | 02:47 |
| LjL | if ever | 02:47 |
| tinwhiskers | it's just that it reduces it to that unit instead of spreading further | 02:48 |
| LjL | no i mean, obviously all components of that households have to stay isolated | 02:48 |
| LjL | it's actually pretty criminal to do otherwise | 02:48 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 02:48 |
| LjL | but they tell *the* sick component to stay in their own room with ideally a separate bathroom, and protocols for bringing them food, etc | 02:48 |
| LjL | i think we have pamphlets for that | 02:48 |
| LjL | pamphlets solve everything | 02:49 |
| LjL | if you have one to sneeze on | 02:49 |
| xdeadbeef | guessing you've all seen this too: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6 | 02:49 |
| tinwhiskers | in NZ we're calling it your bubble. You can go for walks with people in your bubble. You can even go for drives with them but you can't meet anyone from another bubble. | 02:49 |
| LjL | xdeadbeef, well... i'd venture to say yeah | 02:49 |
| xdeadbeef | :) | 02:49 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, uhm, but you still mean when a household is not known positive? you definitely can't do these things here if any one member is positive. everyone at home, or face jailtime | 02:50 |
| LjL | although they can't really put you into jail, because, well, obviously. | 02:50 |
| LjL | they might house arrest you, which is... pretty much what you were doing in the first place? :P | 02:50 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: actually I'm not sure what happens then under the NZ rules | 02:51 |
| LjL | that might explain why it's ineffective | 02:51 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 02:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 Washington, US: +452 cases (now 2448), +29 deaths (now 124) 🔸 Texas, US: +341 cases (now 968), +6 deaths (now 12) 🔸 Tennessee, US: +267 cases (now 772) 🔸 Pennsylvania, US: +437 cases (now 946), +5 deaths (now 8) 🔸 Ohio, US: +212 cases (now 567), +5 deaths (now 8) 🔸 North Carolina, US: +201 cases (now 503) [... want %more?] | 02:51 |
| LjL | the US just keeps churnin' em out | 02:51 |
| tinwhiskers | I will endeavour to find out (actually I won't but I'll keep an ear open) | 02:51 |
| MrBrave | Hmm | 02:51 |
| tinwhiskers | I assume you're right though in that you'd be under strict home quarantine then | 02:52 |
| iz | %cases world | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | iz: In all areas, World, there are 423051 cases, 18898 deaths (4.5% of cases), 108928 recoveries as of March 25, 01:47Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 02:52 |
| MrBrave | %case india | 02:54 |
| MrBrave | %cases india | 02:54 |
| Brainstorm | MrBrave: In all areas, India, there are 536 cases, 10 deaths (1.9% of cases), 40 recoveries as of March 25, 01:47Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 02:54 |
| MrBrave | %cases us | 02:54 |
| Brainstorm | MrBrave: In all areas, US, there are 54812 cases, 780 deaths (1.4% of cases), 378 recoveries as of March 25, 01:47Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 02:54 |
| MrBrave | %cases china | 02:54 |
| Brainstorm | MrBrave: In all areas, China, there are 81591 cases, 3281 deaths (4.0% of cases), 73650 recoveries as of March 25, 01:47Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=China for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 4.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 02:54 |
| MrBrave | China is recovering at very fast rate but how | 02:55 |
| Albright | MrBrave: CCP mathematics is quite efficient. | 02:55 |
| xdeadbeef | LjL, good resources list, thanks! | 02:55 |
| MrBrave | What does it gives | 02:56 |
| LjL | oh meh | 02:57 |
| LjL | "8:45 am: California receives personal protective equipment from Asia" | 02:57 |
| LjL | seriously, you just can't say "from China" for Americans? | 02:57 |
| yuriwho | I think Elon got his 5000 ventilators from China too | 02:57 |
| LjL | at least no one in Italy ever tried to hide the fact our aid came from China... although they might possibly have been encouraged by China itself to "not hide it" in a particularly visible fashion | 02:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports 47 new imported cases, Singapore imposes lockdown measures — from WHO at 01:54: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 02:58 |
| yuriwho | notice Trump has stopped calling it the chinese virus | 02:59 |
| LjL | Albright, MrBrave: really without bringing in the CCP, if the numbers for cases are reliable to begin with, then it's been "flat" for enough of a while that at this point most of the cases should be recovering | 02:59 |
| LjL | yuriwho, and he made it a point to defend all the Asian-Americans that he "loves" | 03:00 |
| yuriwho | yea | 03:00 |
| MrBrave | Oh nice | 03:00 |
| LjL | which i found kind of offputting, personally, but i guess there's been more than enough Chinese-phobia here too... just, the head of state wouldn't put it exactly that way | 03:00 |
| Albright | LjL: Do not confuse the Chinese people with the CCP, as much as the CCP would like you to. | 03:01 |
| LjL | Albright, where did i do that? | 03:01 |
| Albright | LjL: "Chinese-phobia." Me bitching about the CCP is not Chinese-phobia. | 03:01 |
| MrBrave | I have a query | 03:01 |
| Albright | I have been to China two or three times and would love to go again. | 03:02 |
| MrBrave | Look at the global recovery | 03:02 |
| LjL | do you have a guilty conscience? i was talking about Italy, Italians, and our head of states probably not putting it the way Trump did | 03:02 |
| MrBrave | And china recovery | 03:02 |
| Albright | LjL: Okay, my mistake. By "here" I thought you were referring to this channel. | 03:02 |
| polaris | %data Spain | 03:02 |
| Brainstorm | polaris: In all areas, Spain, there are 42058 cases, 2991 deaths (7.1% of cases), 3794 recoveries as of March 25, 01:47Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 03:02 |
| LjL | Albright, i am no fan of the Chinese government, and i also am no fan of coalescing people with those who govern them... trust me, not when living in Italy. | 03:03 |
| LjL | here the ones who govern us are terrible. the people are just sort of on the meh side. | 03:03 |
| Albright | At any rate, at no point do I trust CCP numbers for anything, even when considering the standard inaccuracies and testing controversies all countries seem to be going through. | 03:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:02 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 100 new cases, Singapore imposes limited lockdown measures: Singapore announced more lockdown measures on Tuesday night — it's most stringent so far. Bars, cinemas and other entertainment outlets will be shut from Thursday till Apr. 30. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 03:04 |
| LjL | i'm not sure my disliking of the Chinese government goes *that* far unless there's actual evidence the numbers are fake | 03:05 |
| LjL | %cases Singapore | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +37604 cases (now 460655), +1825 deaths (now 20723), +3407 recoveries (now 112335) 🔹 Argentina: +86 cases (now 387) 🔹 Armenia: +10 recoveries (now 14) 🔹 Aruba: +5 cases (now 17) 🔹 Australia: +174 cases (now 2318) 🔹 Congo (Brazzaville): +1 cases (now 4) 🔹 Congo (Kinshasa): +15 cases (now 45), +1 deaths (now 2) [... want %more?] | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Singapore, there are 558 cases, 2 deaths (0.4% of cases), 156 recoveries as of March 25, 01:53Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Singapore for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 1.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 03:05 |
| LjL | i think JHU did its thing again | 03:05 |
| LjL | hmmm Singapore has lost it | 03:06 |
| LjL | Kore still seems like they're on their lowbrow slow growth | 03:06 |
| LjL | Korea, even | 03:07 |
| LjL | they might be "flattening the curve" just enough for it to actually work, considering also their 12 hospital beds per 1k | 03:07 |
| LjL | while Taiwan... okay, forget i ever said that Taiwan and Singapore were being successful | 03:07 |
| LjL | i'm going back on "lockdowns are it" | 03:07 |
| LjL | Hong Kong is spiking also | 03:08 |
| LjL | this is a bit disheartening | 03:08 |
| LjL | is there anything we can do that works | 03:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:06 UTC: Los Angeles health officials say a child under 18 has died from the coronavirus: Local health officials said said 42% of the county's coronavirus patients are between 18 and 40 years old and 39% are between 41 and 65 years old. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BoXWeB | 03:11 |
| COVID-19Hangouts | No please, coronavirus can go away now | 03:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:13 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 100 new cases, Singapore imposes limited lockdown measures: Singapore announced more lockdown measures on Tuesday night — it's most stringent so far. Bars, cinemas and other entertainment outlets will be shut from Thursday till Apr. 30. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 03:17 |
| LjL | Brainstorm is on a loop again | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: Non-urgent elective surgery cancelled as hospitals prepare for Covid-19 – latest news — from WHO at 02:25: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/u8qiSD | 03:29 |
| ryouma | this is concerning. if my carer gets sick, if all this stuff is true (and she's not good at hygeine) she'd have to quarantine herself in a hotel and i'd have to try to survive: "18:47 <LjL> tinwhiskers, and indeed, now Italy is moving towards quarantining positive-but-not-hospitalized people in hotels, or, well, whatever we can find, instead of keeping them at home, if they live with others" | 03:31 |
| ryouma | does hospital bes mean anything? i'm impressed that japan is 7x better than usa, but is that a bottleneck? as opposed to icu beds. | 03:33 |
| LjL | ryouma, i have had a harder time finding data on ICU beds (though i haven't tried *too* hard), but when i found data about that for Europe, well, general beds correlated okay with ICU beds | 03:34 |
| LjL | like, Italy has about 3 general beds per 1k, Germany has about 8 | 03:34 |
| LjL | at the same time, Italy has 5000 ICU, Germany has about 28000 | 03:34 |
| LjL | scale that by the fact that Germany is 100m, Italy just 60m | 03:34 |
| LjL | it checks out | 03:34 |
| ryouma | ok | 03:35 |
| LjL | ryouma, anyhow, no amount of ICU beds will be enough for this if it isn't slowed down | 03:35 |
| ryouma | well good for japan then. idk what theyare doing right. | 03:35 |
| LjL | at *some* point it'll overwhelm the system | 03:35 |
| LjL | ryouma, i am not sure they're doing extremely well. it seems to be spreading slowly, but still exponentially | 03:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:28 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 100 new cases, Singapore imposes limited lockdown measures: Singapore announced more lockdown measures on Tuesday night — it's most stringent so far. Bars, cinemas and other entertainment outlets will be shut from Thursday till Apr. 30. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 03:35 |
| ryouma | LjL: i mean with their ratio of beds | 03:35 |
| LjL | and the other countries that were said to be doing okay until a few days ago... well, except for Korea, they are going clearlt exponential now | 03:36 |
| LjL | ryouma, oh well, what they're doing right is simply having and using money on healthcare | 03:36 |
| ryouma | i.e. idk what politics allows that. i guess they are used to going to the school nurse, and to the hospital for minor things and staying around a buit, whereas in the us, you're thrown out on the street more or something | 03:36 |
| tinwhiskers | Imperial College estimates 230-250 ICU beds per 100K population will be required (USA, UK respectively) | 03:37 |
| ryouma | (altohugh japan has major problems similar to the us.) | 03:37 |
| LjL | ryouma, about "all the stuff being true", it's true in Italy, i have no idea about the US. but on the other hand, if your carer gets sick, then it would likely be very dangerous for you for her to stay around you... depending on exactly what is keeping you bedridden, i suppose, but i can't imagine anything that makes COVID a joke | 03:38 |
| LjL | ryouma, Japan is experiencing major problems with their economy now, but in past years they've done things that paid off... for a while, at least | 03:38 |
| ryouma | not sure what i can convince her with | 03:39 |
| ryouma | a 1960s novel, turned into at least a couple of tv dramas, bore holes into their hospital system | 03:39 |
| LjL | ryouma, barcharts with "death" spelled all over them? | 03:39 |
| ryouma | (recent dramas, with nothing really changed) | 03:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:38 UTC: Coronavirus live news: India locks down population of 1.3bn as Hubei eases restrictions: UN urges G20 to adopt ‘wartime plan’; WHO warns US risks could become the centre of the pandemic; EU urged to evacuate refugees from greek camps. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 03:48 |
| orgg | Well, now lead of health assessments at the local mens shelter... after 2 whole days volunteering. | 03:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:55 UTC: Australia coronavirus stage 2 shutdown: which places are closed and which are open: These are the restrictions in place as part of the government’s emergency response following Tuesday’s national cabinet meeting and as it avoids lockdown measures [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/bovECs | 04:00 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +119 cases (now 460774), +10 deaths (now 20733), +223 recoveries (now 112558) 🔸 Korea, South: +100 cases (now 9137), +6 deaths (now 126), +223 recoveries (now 3730) 🔹 Argentina: +86 cases (now 387) 🔹 Armenia: +10 recoveries (now 14) 🔹 Aruba: +5 cases (now 17) 🔹 Australia: +174 cases (now 2318) 🔹 Bolivia: +3 cases (now 32) [... want %more?] | 04:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:59 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 100 new cases, Singapore imposes limited lockdown measures: Singapore announced more lockdown measures on Tuesday night — it's most stringent so far. Bars, cinemas and other entertainment outlets will be shut from Thursday till Apr. 30. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 04:07 |
| Albright | orgg: A men's shelter? Very egalitiarian. :P | 04:19 |
| Albright | s/egalitiarian/egalitarian/ | 04:19 |
| Brainstorm | Albright meant to say: orgg: A men's shelter? Very egalitarian. :P | 04:19 |
| orgg | hey, when it's shelter in place and you don't have a home... | 04:21 |
| orgg | and the screening is what is hopefully preventing over 100 men sleeping there from turning into the next hotspot. | 04:22 |
| Albright | orgg: Yeah, it's cool. There's been times in my life I could have used resources like that. | 04:23 |
| orgg | I will say that an n95 mask is even more uncomfortable than they say - especially with a surgical mask over it. | 04:23 |
| Albright | You're wearing two masks? | 04:24 |
| orgg | Yes, so we can reuse the n95's | 04:24 |
| Albright | I'd imagine it'd be more comfortable with the surgical mask on the inside… | 04:24 |
| orgg | you need a complete seal with an n95 "resperator" - since it's not just a mask | 04:25 |
| orgg | heck, I shaved a full beard after doing the research to try to be safe doing this. | 04:26 |
| LjL | Albright, that wouldn't let you reuse the N95 | 04:31 |
| LjL | now that it's a good idea to reuse them like that, anyway, it's not... unless you don't have enough N95s to toss them away every time | 04:32 |
| LjL | which sadly is the situation all over the world | 04:32 |
| Albright | Okay. I don't know the first thing about mask efficacy and reuse. I was just thinking about comfort. :P | 04:33 |
| Albright | I actually have a mask somewhere around here I was using when doing woodwork and such. Not sure what it's rated for but it might be better than nothing if it comes to that. | 04:34 |
| Raf[m] | not sure if someone mentioned this already but you can essentially autoclave N95 and re-use them | 04:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:35 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 100 new cases, Singapore imposes limited lockdown measures: Singapore announced more lockdown measures on Tuesday night — its most stringent so far. Bars, cinemas and other entertainment outlets will be shut from Thursday till Apr. 30. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 04:38 |
| Raf[m] | stanford report here https://www.ripphysics.com/OLLI/MultiSessionClasses/COVID19/ | 04:40 |
| orgg | We don't have nearly enough N95's to toss them - but I will only go a few days in one. | 04:43 |
| orgg | Interesting - not sure that an autoclave is around in the homeless shelter but it's worth looking into. | 04:44 |
| orgg | ... Interesting... but I wonder about clogged masks - with lots of sweat and whatnot. | 04:45 |
| Raf[m] | you don't even need an actual autoclave, you can do 70C in a conventional oven, it just takes longer (30 min) | 04:45 |
| orgg | I know we have ovens at the shelter. | 04:46 |
| ryouma | wouldn't that melt the foam or valve if any? | 04:46 |
| orgg | There's a lot I wonder about there... | 04:46 |
| LjL | Raf[m], yeah thanks i was going to re-post that now then got distracted | 04:46 |
| orgg | the valve is an interesting piece of equipment... if you're using it right - that's where all your air is going through | 04:47 |
| Raf[m] | No most medical supplies are autoclavable, they can withstand temperatures way hotter than that | 04:47 |
| orgg | should be able to test for positive and negative pressure with the valve. | 04:47 |
| orgg | couldn't hurt to try on one of 'em anyway. | 04:47 |
| orgg | ensure one could still get a good seal - and that nothing deforms. | 04:48 |
| Raf[m] | I have autoclaved a lot of random stuff, plastic tubing, cables, whole devices | 04:48 |
| bluesky[m] | I wonder if a CPAP ozone disinfecting machine would be a good solution? | 04:48 |
| bluesky[m] | * I wonder if a CPAP ozone disinfecting machine would be a good solution? / For masks | 04:48 |
| orgg | These masks are supposed to be disposable - we're using them as long as we can because of shortages. | 04:48 |
| Raf[m] | if you can get a spec sheet from the manufacturer on your exact model of mask, it might specify if its autoclavable | 04:49 |
| orgg | Raf[m]: that's something that I can act on factually... thank you for the idea. | 04:49 |
| orgg | if the manufacturer says so - we need to be doing this in a LOT more places. | 04:49 |
| orgg | One volunteer's mom (a nurse) has to use an N95 mask 7 days before getting a new one. | 04:50 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, FYI i think this is not at all to do with your site but JHU looks to be lacking state data for the past several days, and other data for at least the past two days | 04:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:43 UTC: Coronavirus live news: India locks down population of 1.3bn as Hubei eases restrictions: UN urges G20 to adopt ‘wartime plan’; WHO warns US risks could become the centre of the pandemic; EU urged to evacuate refugees from greek camps. Follow the latest updates. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 04:51 |
| sneep | Wow, India is locked down? | 04:52 |
| Albright | Yep. | 04:54 |
| Raf[m] | <orgg "One volunteer's mom (a nurse) ha"> Yes I've heard stories like this all over. I would try cooking those before tossing them away to squeeze out a little more life if possible. | 04:54 |
| Albright | Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without. | 04:55 |
| orgg | Raf[m]: Agreed - after I do more research on our masks I may really try to get that information out there if it's possible to do so - especially said by manufacturer | 04:55 |
| orgg | amazing how much fear has sort of disappeared getting myself on the front line (in a way at least) | 04:56 |
| orgg | not pleasant, but truly hope I'm actually DOING something about it. | 04:56 |
| Albright | It sounds like you are. | 04:57 |
| ryouma | enormous respect for volunteers | 04:57 |
| orgg | I think so from a technical perspective... screening over 100 men per night would get there. | 04:57 |
| sneep | orgg: Maybe you can figure out what material your mask is made of | 04:58 |
| orgg | Just a bit concerned about now being in charge tomorrow. | 04:58 |
| orgg | sneep: I can get the manufacturer's spec sheet I'm sure. | 04:58 |
| orgg | These are all certified masks | 04:58 |
| ryouma | 3m has an excellent set of covid links online. just follow whatever they say about covid and a few links down will be a spec sheet someplace. | 04:59 |
| ryouma | if it's 3m | 04:59 |
| sneep | http://www.mainlinemedical.com/mm/Face-Mask-RBS-and-B.O.C.-Masks-Sterilization-and-Cleaning-Guidelines-for-the.html Random manufacturer's advice: Face Masks may be autoclaved by normal rubber cycle methods provided the maximum temperature does not exceed 120° C . Plugs must be removed from the inflatable pads prior to autoclaving. | 04:59 |
| orgg | I don't think these are 3m - but another major manufacturer... | 05:00 |
| orgg | Will have to check tomorrow. | 05:00 |
| sneep | If it's PP, that's got a general melting point range from 130~171 C so 120 C seems a bit risky maybe | 05:00 |
| orgg | plugs must be removed... | 05:01 |
| orgg | that wouldn't really help much | 05:01 |
| Raf[m] | 120 is standard autoclave temp, the stanford study is saying 70C for 30 min was sufficient | 05:02 |
| sneep | https://www.livescience.com/sanitizing-medical-masks-for-reuse-coronavirus.html | 05:02 |
| orgg | https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/hcwcontrols/recommendedguidanceextuse.html | 05:02 |
| orgg | Was really hoping to find autoclave stuff in there. | 05:05 |
| orgg | At least we're following the guidelines the best we can. | 05:06 |
| orgg | I did freak myself out a bit reading labels today though - a bunch of our surgical masks are manufacturered and are from wuhan. | 05:08 |
| sneep | They probably have high production | 05:09 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yeah, it's at the JH end. I hoped they would fix it today but maybe tomorrow now, eh? | 05:09 |
| tinwhiskers | orgg: yeah, ironically wuhan is a major medical manufacturing location. | 05:10 |
| orgg | it didn't really worry me - was just interesting to read the label. | 05:10 |
| orgg | Wuhan was on there at least 4 times. | 05:10 |
| orgg | company name to addresses, etc. | 05:10 |
| orgg | glad we have them regardless... although the shelter manager cracked up laughing and joked that we're all fucked when I pointed it out :) | 05:11 |
| orgg | Also wearing on the outside of an N95 personally - so not a lot that I can see as an issue there. | 05:12 |
| orgg | passing them out to people who have a cough or other underlying thing is a little ironic - wuhan might save your ass... | 05:12 |
| orgg | it's a big world... I'll likely never really get the actual big picture of it all. | 05:13 |
| LjL | look at this graph https://web.archive.org/web/20200315061915im_/https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.upp-prod-us.s3.amazonaws.com%2Faf5379b4-63ac-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5?fit=scale-down&quality=highest&source=next&width=700 | 05:16 |
| LjL | Korea has tested a whooooole lot more people than Italy | 05:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:13 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 100 new cases, Singapore imposes limited lockdown measures: Singapore announced more lockdown measures on Tuesday night — its most stringent so far. Bars, cinemas and other entertainment outlets will be shut from Thursday till Apr. 30. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 05:16 |
| LjL | while Italy, pressed by circumstances, is testing only people who are quite sick | 05:16 |
| LjL | and yet... similar number of positives in both countries? | 05:16 |
| LjL | where are these fabled many asymptomatics? | 05:16 |
| orgg | perhaps in the homeless shelter I'm working at... perhaps even me. | 05:19 |
| orgg | hell, I've had a lot more potential exposure than many lately. | 05:20 |
| spybert | nobody has the resources to test random people | 05:20 |
| LjL | except Iceland | 05:20 |
| LjL | and arguably Korea, if self-selecting counts as random | 05:20 |
| LjL | which it really doesn't | 05:20 |
| spybert | What did Iceland discover from their research? | 05:20 |
| orgg | well, hopefully if I end up with symptoms, being on the front line and in contact with other potential patients might get me a test - but I'm still healthy (and wouldn't hold my breath on a test) | 05:21 |
| LjL | %cases Iceland | 05:21 |
| pagetelegram | Shelters been closing by me due to lack of staff and volunteer support. There was a drive to get folks tents and sleeping bags - Chicago | 05:21 |
| LjL | i think my bot is dead from tsunami | 05:21 |
| orgg | pagetelegram: Gotta say volunteers aren't easy to come by right now | 05:21 |
| orgg | We're staffed out at least 2 weeks thank goodness. | 05:22 |
| pagetelegram | There is a big group of volunteers working to help support. I'm in the group with them. They help deliver food to needy and work with city on shelter solutions...and that is in process. | 05:22 |
| orgg | What sort of shelter solutions are they working on? | 05:23 |
| pagetelegram | hotels mostly | 05:23 |
| orgg | I know we've had a lot of negotiations with hotels too | 05:23 |
| pagetelegram | some need hospitalization for mental health too | 05:23 |
| orgg | one guy blew over 3 times the legal limit walking in... and really thought he could pretend he wasn't drunk as FUCK. | 05:24 |
| pagetelegram | One I was working with is too sympomatic for privatge hospital....IDHS and CPD task force was working with care team to get individual exemption for state hospital. | 05:24 |
| orgg | Procedures have had to change day by day here - but the last 2 days have had no needed triages to hotels thank god. | 05:25 |
| spybert | LjL: Iceland seems to have a death rate of 0.3% of those infected | 05:25 |
| LjL | yes, make of that what you will | 05:25 |
| orgg | need thoughts and prayers the shit doesn't hit the fan tomorrow when I'm in charge. | 05:25 |
| pagetelegram | That is good news. They are doing something right | 05:25 |
| LjL | %cases Iceland | 05:25 |
| LjL | still dead, huh | 05:25 |
| orgg | Actually corrected the leader several times - she was saying "when we get patients to triage" and had to remind her if - since we had none the day before... | 05:26 |
| orgg | somehow it didn't jinx us - 0 is a good number. | 05:26 |
| pagetelegram | Sigur Ros is one of my favorite bands...from Iceland. | 05:26 |
| orgg | pagetelegram: how about godspeed you black emphorer (I can't speel) | 05:27 |
| pagetelegram | I only know the expression. [sic: correct] | 05:27 |
| pagetelegram | For me people keep telling me "break a leg" | 05:28 |
| orgg | it's a good band. | 05:30 |
| orgg | similar to sigur ros in many ways. | 05:30 |
| sneep | orgg: Triages to hotels? Is that something where you select who gets a night at a hotel and doesn't? | 05:30 |
| sneep | +who | 05:30 |
| orgg | sneep: yes, and doctor visit within 48 hours. | 05:31 |
| pagetelegram | I'll check that out....thanks... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc | 05:31 |
| sneep | Are hotels cheaper than usual at the moment? | 05:31 |
| sneep | (sort of unrelated question) | 05:31 |
| orgg | It's all about various agreements and arrangements that change by the day. | 05:31 |
| LjL | %cases Iceland | 05:32 |
| orgg | not like a homeless shelter has a budget for hotel rooms | 05:32 |
| LjL | what the hell bot | 05:32 |
| pagetelegram | Local gov money from federal I think was the 2nd bill that passed last week. anyone know if 3rd bill passed? I've been out of loop today. | 05:33 |
| pagetelegram | usually I listen to CSPAN radio....today tuned out. Had to take a break and listen to music all day. | 05:33 |
| orgg | I haven't turned on the TV yet since I got back. | 05:35 |
| orgg | do want to catch up a little bit - but it's not exactly helpful information most of the time. | 05:36 |
| xrogaan | bot is dead! | 05:36 |
| pagetelegram | you can't be on computer and watch TV at same time...my recommendation: https://playerservices.streamtheworld.com/api/livestream-redirect/CSPANRADIO.mp3 | 05:36 |
| orgg | deeply hoping I'm helping more people than hurting myself in the process. | 05:36 |
| pagetelegram | ^ I get close to burn out sometimes. | 05:37 |
| orgg | in many ways, if I wasn't doing it though - that would be one less person helping. | 05:38 |
| pagetelegram | I got 4 things to do atm. one of them is procastinating other stuff being on IRC....procrastionation is neccessarly just not too much. | 05:38 |
| orgg | and perhaps even panicing and asking for diagnosis on IRC :P | 05:38 |
| pagetelegram | ^ :P I'm ok with it | 05:38 |
| Albright | ls | 05:39 |
| orgg | I know I feel healthy... and I'm wearing appropriate protective gear at least... | 05:39 |
| xrogaan | It's a great time to start a dnd session. | 05:39 |
| orgg | I feel sorry for those with facemasks though - no need for that in this situation for the most part. | 05:39 |
| orgg | another barrier to get your glasses fogged up as you breathe. | 05:40 |
| pagetelegram | Never got into the dungeons.. | 05:40 |
| IronY | orgg: What is it your doing? | 05:40 |
| orgg | have gained a whole new level of respect to the doctors and nurses who do this stuff regularly. | 05:40 |
| orgg | IronY: Medical assessments at a homeless shelter - triage to hotel and doctor if symptoms. | 05:41 |
| IronY | orgg: Oh wow, where at if you do not mind me asking | 05:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:29 UTC: Australia coronavirus news: non-urgent elective surgery cancelled as hospitals prepare for Covid-19 – live updates: PM warns Australians to ‘stay at home’ as Covid-19 cases top 2,000, while case of patient in 30s in intensive care described as a ‘wake-up call’. Follow all the latest news, live [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/u8qiSD | 05:41 |
| orgg | and get them fed, calmed down, etc. | 05:41 |
| IronY | also Thank you | 05:41 |
| orgg | IronY: Madison, WI | 05:41 |
| pagetelegram | Near capital, U of W? | 05:41 |
| orgg | Directly off of capitol square actually. | 05:41 |
| pagetelegram | Use to travel that way back in 2002-2010 doing research on my family at U of W | 05:42 |
| orgg | Porchlight | 05:42 |
| orgg | I like it here. | 05:43 |
| pagetelegram | nice website. Are they doing any hotel stuff there too, either ICU or otherwise? | 05:44 |
| orgg | hotel triage... we have a trailer for doing so to seperate from the rest of the population. | 05:44 |
| pagetelegram | And have you seen any Army Corp of Engineers engaged yet? | 05:44 |
| orgg | No. This is all volunteer - except for a few paid shelter managers. | 05:45 |
| pagetelegram | You are awesome! | 05:45 |
| orgg | better than sitting at home and worrying in my opinion - even if I am putting myself at some risk. | 05:46 |
| orgg | at least I feel like I'm doing SOMETHING - one person stuck down there sleeping with 120+ people would be very ungood | 05:46 |
| pagetelegram | There are some tech folks in our group...they not only feeding the disabled homeless and poor they also been working on a mesh network. Although the person I talked to hadn't heard of Awesome-Mesh. Though assured that while they been working on that it is not yet a priortiy to finish, in Chicago. A good sign, I suppose. | 05:47 |
| orgg | I've run into a good number of tech folks volunteering in this position | 05:48 |
| pagetelegram | For me I am stuck at a facility, called a SMRRF. | 05:48 |
| pagetelegram | bc of executive order #11 it is isolation rn | 05:48 |
| orgg | speaking of which I need to see if a certain tracker is back up and working to send an invite to someone I met. | 05:48 |
| orgg | grrrrr... oh well, there is always the morning. | 05:49 |
| orgg | ick. | 05:49 |
| orgg | I'm stuck in a one bedroom apartment with no family around - and had 5 interviews cancelled on me as this all broke out | 05:50 |
| orgg | gotta quit overthinking some of it... | 05:51 |
| orgg | perhaps I'm the stupidest person in the world doing this with no insurance - but I feel the need to do something. | 05:51 |
| pagetelegram | My roommate had interviews lined up for a assistant manager position at several different banks...hopes were up then this. | 05:51 |
| orgg | I'm finally able to walk again after around 6 months in a wheelchair... felt mobile enough to finally get out there... | 05:52 |
| orgg | around 3 months getting back to walking more than a short distance. | 05:52 |
| sulke | what put you in a wheelchair? | 05:52 |
| pagetelegram | I made my part of the room into a living office, with fax over VOIP and fax modem and a bunch of office equipment, ie electric stapler and yes Milten's red stapler :P | 05:52 |
| orgg | a bicycle accident - jumped a curb instead of swerving into traffic - on a retrofitted city e-bike. | 05:53 |
| pagetelegram | ouch! | 05:53 |
| sulke | any permanent damage? | 05:53 |
| orgg | battery was mounted on upper left - tried to catch myself with right foot - broke all 5 metatarsals | 05:53 |
| orgg | 21 screws and 3 plates, down to 15 screws and 2 plates in my right foot. | 05:53 |
| pagetelegram | I had a shattered disc years ago. 2nd lumbar....walked around for 1.5 years before surgery. Sciatica like crazy. | 05:57 |
| pagetelegram | And more recently, a year ago, open heart surgery; | 05:57 |
| orgg | ick. | 05:57 |
| pagetelegram | Myxoma | 05:57 |
| orgg | mine all started the beginning of june last year. | 05:57 |
| orgg | but if this isn't proving to myself that I can get through a full day in the office on my feet - I don't know what is. | 05:58 |
| pagetelegram | During my recovery I got triggered by a narc. Goes by the name Mix, Joanathan B....he has an entry even in the encylopedia of Dramatica....more concerning is three consecutive drivers lic in three states under ficticious names. My roommate involved in burning man...I had to get the hell out of that sit. | 05:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 04:55 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The Financial Times has removed the paywall from it's daily-updated COVID charts , including it's useful "trajectory" charts which allow comparison of outbreak spread across countries by normalizing to an estimate of when the outbreak began. They have been added to the sidebar, and will only be [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/EYRCtI | 06:00 |
| pagetelegram | Seems to have some immunity too. a fire arm charge that would have had a felony was not on his public record. | 06:00 |
| orgg | really wish it was easier to wind down after a shift at the homeless shelter though - I'm finding myself up entirely too late. | 06:00 |
| pagetelegram | I have ADHD so I pop some esspresso beans when I want to go to bed. | 06:01 |
| orgg | I think I finally made it to bed at 4am. | 06:01 |
| pagetelegram | I still have to transcribe something tonight for a patient at Read who is fighting for her sanity right. | 06:01 |
| orgg | I have severe ADHD as well - and fully medicated... but the shift ends right around/before meds wear off | 06:01 |
| pagetelegram | If it is med I think; doens't help with sleep | 06:02 |
| orgg | I have no issues with sleep normally - and have been on this med and dosage for a good amount of time. | 06:02 |
| pagetelegram | I don't take anything for ADHD yet, so I start a lot of things and not finish | 06:02 |
| orgg | just a hell of an experience to process. | 06:02 |
| pagetelegram | that s good. | 06:03 |
| pagetelegram | It is an upper or something else? | 06:03 |
| orgg | Dexedrine | 06:03 |
| pagetelegram | Thank you, I ask bc I want to avoid anything meth related | 06:03 |
| pagetelegram | I'm still om cummidan until heart monitor results come back....then I could be in the clear for that. thanks | 06:04 |
| orgg | Well, there's always desoxyn. | 06:05 |
| orgg | the only one I haven't been on. | 06:05 |
| orgg | mine is basically the Instant release non prodrug of vyvance. | 06:05 |
| pagetelegram | good to know....I do need to avoid any SSRIs or what ever the acronym is | 06:06 |
| orgg | I have genome testing (and certian receptors that are not typical) that say specifically SSRI's are a bad thing for me. | 06:07 |
| orgg | although I had to learn that the hard way long before I got the test. | 06:07 |
| pagetelegram | How can I get that testing done and have results HIPAA compliant. Like those ancestory sites that do that do what they want with your DNA data. | 06:08 |
| orgg | No, this is specific. | 06:08 |
| orgg | https://www.genomind.com/products/full-mental-health-report | 06:08 |
| pagetelegram | going to ask my doctor...see him on the 30th, telehealth-wise I think | 06:09 |
| orgg | I was lucky to be early in the trial - my test was free - the doctor knew they wrote it off if insurance didn't pay. | 06:10 |
| orgg | I think it was like 25k at the time - but this guy knows his loopholes... it's quite a bit less now - but I have no idea.... My test was in 2004 | 06:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:00 UTC: Eerie quiet but no panic as rural France enters lockdown: A week into coronavirus measures, shelves are full and physical distancing is taken seriously — from WHO at 05:00: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/8Yetot | 06:13 |
| pagetelegram | found this, easy info sheet to print for doc: https://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/5802814/Genomind-Pro-PGX-Express-Gene-Chart-Final-09.2019-1.pdf | 06:14 |
| orgg | That's good. I'd show you an example of an earlier report - but I find the information quite private. | 06:16 |
| pagetelegram | no need; I appreciate the sentiment. | 06:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 05:16 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Senate, White House reach $2 trillion stimulus deal to blunt coronavirus fallout - The Washington Post — from WHO at 05:16: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/8fUun8 | 06:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: NSW says those ignoring restrictions can be fined $1,000 or jailed – live updates — from WHO at 05:20: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/u8qiSD | 06:26 |
| xrogaan | Fitting: https://media0.giphy.com/media/dxUwQOXMQ42XkltbW7/giphy.gif | 06:32 |
| Mr_Pink | https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1242683361149235200 | 06:34 |
| Mr_Pink | @wojespn0,02✓ (Adrian Wojnarowski): An emotional Karl-Anthony Towns revealing that his mother, diagnosed with the coronavirus, is in a coma and connected to a ventilator. He’s clearly trying to further alert the public to the seriousness of the pandemic. https://t.co/NOP2b35J8H (4.6m ago) | 06:34 |
| Mr_Pink | its crazy how many high profile deaths we've seen today. not A LOT but they're starting to roll in. | 06:34 |
| orgg | Hope I don't die - but I'll die helping as much as I can. | 06:40 |
| xrogaan | Mr_Pink: Sic transit gloria mundi | 06:51 |
| Mr_Pink | wat | 06:51 |
| Mr_Pink | is that italian | 06:51 |
| dividediff[m] | ny state prices for instacart (grocery delivery uber eats) 5.99$ | 06:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:48 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Malaysia extends movement curbs, reports 172 more cases: Singapore announced more lockdown measures on Tuesday night — its most stringent so far. Bars, cinemas and other entertainment outlets will be shut from Thursday till Apr. 30. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 06:51 |
| Mr_Pink | oh "Thus passes the glory of the world" | 06:51 |
| Mr_Pink | latin. i was close! | 06:51 |
| dividediff[m] | https://www.organizeyourselfskinny.com/instacart-review/ | 06:52 |
| Mr_Pink | ive been using amazon fresh its free and i love it | 06:53 |
| Mr_Pink | walmart grocery also has 2 day delivery but its like $7-$10 | 06:53 |
| dividediff[m] | Mr_Pink: Free? Do you have prime? | 06:53 |
| Mr_Pink | yes. but Amazon Fresh used to be like $15/mo on top of your Prime. | 06:53 |
| dividediff[m] | Mr_Pink: USA only do you think? | 06:54 |
| Mr_Pink | They have since made it free and its free delivery with orders over $35. used to get it in 2 hours. takes 2 days now but still the best way to ensure you get everything. instacart by the time they go stuff might be out. | 06:54 |
| Mr_Pink | probably? no idea tho | 06:54 |
| dividediff[m] | Mr_Pink: i'm in canada and we sometimes don't get those kind of services despite the fact that we're cold america wo guns | 06:57 |
| Mr_Pink | hahaha | 06:57 |
| Mr_Pink | yeah its kinda weird | 06:57 |
| xrogaan | Mr_Pink: after the black plague, an artistic genre appeared called "Danse Macabre" (Dance of Death). An allegory on the universality of death. We've been living in very peaceful times, so it's kind of lost to us. | 06:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:52 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Malaysia extends movement curbs after reporting 172 more cases: Singapore announced more lockdown measures on Tuesday night — its most stringent so far. Bars, cinemas and other entertainment outlets will be shut from Thursday till Apr. 30. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 06:58 |
| Mr_Pink | Danse Macabre is one of my favorite albums of all time as well! | 06:58 |
| Mr_Pink | The Faint's 2001 album. https://youtu.be/iWvaG4orDuE?t=19 | 06:59 |
| Mr_Pink | I didn't know the origin of the phrase. interesting. | 06:59 |
| Sandro | %data germany | 07:00 |
| xrogaan | bot seems to be dead | 07:10 |
| xrogaan | Sandro: for germany, you can use https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4 | 07:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:03 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: NSW says those ignoring restrictions can be fined $1,000 or jailed – live updates — from WHO at 06:03: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/u8qiSD | 07:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:19 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US Senate leaders and White House reach stimulus deal as India locks down: UN urges G20 to adopt ‘wartime plan’; US risks becoming centre of the pandemic, WHO warns; EU urged to evacuate refugees from Greek camps. Follow the latest updates. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 07:29 |
| adderall1988 | Hello chatters! | 07:40 |
| sulke | hiya | 07:42 |
| adderall1988 | HEllo | 07:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:40 UTC: Singapore says it will make its contact tracing tech freely available to developers: Singapore had been praised globally for its approach in managing the outbreak through stringent contact tracing and quarantine efforts. — from WHO at 06:40: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/eWldWN | 07:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:51 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US Senate leaders and White House reach stimulus deal as India locks down: UN urges G20 to adopt ‘wartime plan’; US risks becoming centre of the pandemic, WHO warns; EU urged to evacuate refugees from Greek camps. Follow the latest updates. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 08:01 |
| tinwhiskers | Well my experiment into fishing from the kayak instead of the boat is going quite well (in case we run out of petrol here - it happens a couple of times a year without a pandemic). https://imgur.com/a/kH6aVIq | 08:18 |
| tinwhiskers | If nothing else it's good exercise with a chance of fish. | 08:18 |
| tinwhiskers | If I can keep this up I can hopefully avoid going into town for a month | 08:20 |
| ryouma | governments could hire immune to deliver | 08:21 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, it seems to make sense to leverage the work of recovered people since they have immunity for at least some period of time | 08:23 |
| adventurer | ryouma, good idea | 08:30 |
| adventurer | they need a blood test right to test for the antibodies? | 08:30 |
| adventurer | something like that? | 08:30 |
| adventurer | for all I know I could have already had it in January and thought little about it | 08:31 |
| gvirus^ | sorry, i’d like to know if there any anybody from italy can explan me how to come back to my hometown from different Region of Italy since I got stuck abroad and I saw the new regulations say that I canno’t travel into two different cities…please help…I am currently in Indonesia…Thanks | 08:33 |
| jacklsw | indonesia? i'm not sure how many cases are undetected there | 08:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:23 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: NSW says those ignoring restrictions can be fined $1,000 or jailed – live updates — from WHO at 07:23: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/u8qiSD | 08:35 |
| jacklsw | they took it lightly, now the death is increasing quite alarmingly | 08:36 |
| jacklsw | %data indonesia | 08:36 |
| gvirus^ | indonesia getting worse very fast…I want leave immediately | 08:37 |
| sulke2 | gvirus^, theres nowhere to hide except in personal isolation | 08:39 |
| gvirus^ | sulke2: so if I’ll arrived in Rome International airport I should stay in Rome? That is crazy…..where I stay? Hotel? Who will pay that? :( | 08:40 |
| sulke2 | gvirus^, i didnt read your previous messages. So you're Italian stuck in Indonesia and you're worried that you won't be able to travel to your home town after you arrive in Italy? | 08:42 |
| gvirus^ | sulke2: exactly…. | 08:43 |
| slash_ | i think you're still allowed to go to your house, but you should contact Italian embassy | 08:43 |
| sulke2 | gvirus^, i agree with slash_ . Contact the embassy. | 08:44 |
| sulke2 | I very much doubt that the inter-city travel ban will apply in your situation. | 08:44 |
| gvirus^ | slash_: unfortunately i just read that last regulation and they forbidden to travel into different city….so I will be stuck in Rome as well…..:( | 08:44 |
| sulke2 | gvirus^, but that regulation was written for people who already reside in italian cities. Your case is very different and I'm sure they wont hold you hostage in the airport. But for sure contact the embassy. | 08:45 |
| gvirus^ | https://translate.google.co.id/translate?hl=it&tab=wT1&authuser=0&sl=it&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ivg.it%2F2020%2F03%2Fcoronavirus-la-nuova-autocertificazione-non-e-piu-consentito-il-rientro-al-domicilio%2F | 08:46 |
| gvirus^ | :( | 08:46 |
| slash_ | ahh.. damn | 08:46 |
| gvirus^ | ok I will contact the Embassy….maybe I will have special pass | 08:46 |
| slash_ | yeah, maybe it is different if you come from abroad | 08:47 |
| sulke2 | gvirus^, i read the article. It covers people who already reside in Italian cities. Theres no mention of coming back home from other country. Is there? | 08:48 |
| gvirus^ | I really hope to back to my home town and I can have my quarantine in my house without spend thousands of money to stay in Hotel in Rome | 08:48 |
| sulke2 | even the official PDF document linked in the article, covers the reasons for intercity travel (like proven working needs, or absolute urgency).This is not about coming from another country, im 100% sure. | 08:49 |
| sulke2 | In any case, using this document you would be granted "proven need" to travel to your home town because you were in Indonesia. | 08:50 |
| gvirus^ | sulke2: thanks so much I hope this will be true…. | 08:51 |
| slash_ | in any case contact the Italian Embassy in Indonesia, they will know about this | 08:52 |
| sulke2 | Hope you'll be soon in your home town. | 08:52 |
| slash_ | they can also help you get back to Italy I assume, as that will be harder now | 08:52 |
| sulke2 | gvirus^, What is your home town btw? We're sorta neighbours. I'm from Croatia. | 08:53 |
| gvirus^ | slash_: yes for far there are 3 options….still available the flight Jakarta-Rome via doha in Qatar | 08:53 |
| slash_ | ahh good! | 08:54 |
| gvirus^ | sulke2: I am from San Benedetto del Tronto…..east Coast | 08:54 |
| sulke2 | gvirus^, looks very pretty | 08:55 |
| gvirus^ | sulke2: yeah, it’s tourist city | 08:56 |
| slash_ | one of my country people is stuck in a little town in the Amazon in Peru, total lockdown, tourists not allowed to leave | 08:56 |
| sulke2 | slash_, that's strange. Wouldnt they want them gone? | 08:57 |
| slash_ | not sure, but no one is allowed to leave the town they're in | 08:57 |
| synx508 | Peru has been acting strangely. | 08:57 |
| gvirus^ | slash_: the problem is that Indonesia will lockdown the airport soon and from these 3 options soon will be zero….I would like to leave asap….just waiting the “OK” from my Employer | 08:57 |
| slash_ | but I guess in such an isolated town they are relatively safe from the virus at least | 08:58 |
| slash_ | gvirus^ yeah I understand, I would not wait to long | 08:58 |
| gvirus^ | too much anxiety :( | 08:59 |
| MrtnDk[m] | <gvirus^ "too much anxiety :("> Don't wait for an employer, unless you work in essential business. If so, don't expect an OK. | 09:03 |
| jacklsw | italy's situation is bad as well | 09:05 |
| jacklsw | stay safe wherever you are | 09:05 |
| sulke | last i've read, italy may be at the curve flattening phase | 09:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:59 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US Senate leaders and White House reach stimulus deal as India locks down: UN urges G20 to adopt ‘wartime plan’; US risks becoming centre of the pandemic, WHO warns; EU urged to evacuate refugees from Greek camps. Follow the latest updates. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 09:07 |
| gvirus^ | MrtnDk[m]: actually I was thinking the same but I have contract here….and I don’t know about the consequences in case I will break the contract rules… | 09:08 |
| gvirus^ | Indonesia had reported 686 cases with 55 deaths…. definitively better stay in Europe….Indonesia health system are much lower than Italy | 09:11 |
| MrtnDk[m] | gvirus^ , are you willing to stay beyond the point of no return, for that contact, or do you have family? | 09:11 |
| MrtnDk[m] | contract* | 09:12 |
| gvirus^ | MrtnDk[m]: of course no…tomorrow I will have answer from my Employer then I will book my flight ticket…I hope I will flight back on 14 April…hope not be late | 09:14 |
| MrtnDk[m] | Yes, Indonesia has a brutal, ruthless, moslem government, that is terrorising the contrary and probably don't have the populations best interest in mind. | 09:14 |
| MrtnDk[m] | th country* | 09:14 |
| MrtnDk[m] | <ryouma "governments could hire immune to"> You cannot be immune to a mutating virus. | 09:16 |
| gvirus^ | anyway I am not the only one stuck abroad…I trust our foreign Minister that said will help italians stucks abroad | 09:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:01 UTC: Delaying the Olympics may hurt Japan. But risks from the coronavirus could be far greater: The negative impact on Japan's economy pales in comparison to the economic blow from the coronavirus outbreak, market strategists say. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Fu88Re | 09:20 |
| slash_ | they dont know yet how fast it mutates, they are researching possible immunity now | 09:20 |
| adventurer | Smart people talking about covid-19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvbzjb1LRRI | 09:20 |
| slash_ | you should see what Bolsonaro is saying, what an idiot | 09:23 |
| adventurer | Who is that slash_ ? | 09:23 |
| slash_ | president of Brazil | 09:23 |
| adventurer | What did he say? | 09:23 |
| slash_ | he is ordering Brazilian states to lift lockdowns because the virus is not really a problem according to him | 09:23 |
| adventurer | oh | 09:24 |
| adventurer | it's scary | 09:24 |
| slash_ | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/brazils-jair-bolsonaro-says-coronavirus-crisis-is-a-media-trick | 09:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:14 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: NSW says those ignoring restrictions can be fined $1,000 or jailed – live updates — from WHO at 08:14: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/u8qiSD | 09:26 |
| sneep | https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ransomware-gangs-to-stop-attacking-health-orgs-during-pandemic/ ... | 09:26 |
| slash_ | thanks criminals? lol | 09:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:32 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US agrees $2 trillion stimulus as global virus death toll nears 19,000: The White House and Senate leaders have reached a deal on a massive $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill to combat the economic impact of the outbreak. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 09:39 |
| Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 09:47 |
| Strantrickt[m] | ? | 09:47 |
| Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 09:48 |
| jacklsw | %data my | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: NSW says those ignoring restrictions can be fined $1,000 or jailed – live updates — from WHO at 08:45: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/u8qiSD | 09:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:54 UTC: Delaying the Olympics may hurt Japan. But risks from the coronavirus could be far greater: The negative impact on Japan's economy pales in comparison to the economic blow from the coronavirus outbreak, market strategists say. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Fu88Re | 09:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:00 UTC: Brazil: Quarantined Brazilians protest against Bolsonaro from windows and balconies: 'Get out!' — from WHO at 09:00: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/ZcHzz2 | 10:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:22 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno a tutti, mentre eravate via — from WHO at 09:22: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/RkOgyl | 10:24 |
| Quarantini[m] | It's official, the waffle house index has been affected | 10:30 |
| Quarantini[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffle_House_Index?wprov=sfla1 | 10:30 |
| adventurer | So is it true it survives in the air for some hours? | 10:36 |
| adventurer | potentially | 10:36 |
| adventurer | https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-coronavirus-can-persist-in-air-for-hours-and-on-surfaces-for-days-a-new-study-shows | 10:36 |
| adventurer | well it seems so | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:28 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US agrees $2 trillion stimulus as global virus death toll nears 19,000: The White House and Senate leaders have reached a deal on a massive $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill to combat the economic impact of the outbreak. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 10:36 |
| adventurer | stay home if you are at high risk don't go near others at all if you can. I hope they have a vaccine soon | 10:36 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | Im going FUCKING INSANE | 10:42 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | seriously i think im going to go illegal if this goes on longer | 10:42 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | someone talk me out of just going to the park and falling asleep on the grass | 10:42 |
| euod[m] | adventurer: doesn't feel likely, honestly. you're looking at at least 6-12 months or something. | 10:42 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | exactly | 10:43 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | fuck this im going insane holy shit | 10:43 |
| euod[m] | even just in terms of inoculating any portion of the population at once, the timelines are huge. | 10:43 |
| adventurer | SamanthaIsCutesh, where are you located? | 10:44 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | North Carolina | 10:44 |
| mefistofeles | SamanthaIsCutesh: calm down | 10:44 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | why | 10:44 |
| adventurer | SamanthaIsCutesh, are you to stay at home and not leave? | 10:44 |
| euod[m] | for the population of the US? you need 300,000,000 syringes. | 10:44 |
| mefistofeles | %cases North Carolina | 10:44 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | I'm going insane | 10:44 |
| adventurer | SamanthaIsCutesh, are you sick? | 10:44 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | No | 10:44 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | I've been quarantined for 2 weeks | 10:44 |
| adventurer | you can watch some nice movies and shows you want to | 10:44 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | im going insane i wanna go outside | 10:44 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | I HAVE BEEN | 10:44 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | IM GOING INSANE | 10:44 |
| mefistofeles | SamanthaIsCutesh: stop it | 10:44 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | AND RENT AND SHIT I CANT EVEN WORK | 10:45 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | I should just get a 'necessary' job | 10:45 |
| adventurer | SamanthaIsCutesh, can the government help ? | 10:45 |
| adventurer | with money | 10:45 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | no? | 10:45 |
| euod[m] | everybody is in the same situation, effectively. you're not special. | 10:45 |
| adventurer | SamanthaIsCutesh, can you do jobs on www.fiverr.com or freelancer? | 10:45 |
| adventurer | I don't know | 10:45 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | I need to actually see people not online crap | 10:46 |
| euod[m] | you don't need that, no. | 10:46 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | Euod, you're not either. So fucking empathise with me and realise I'm not saying I am. I'm trying to start a conversation. | 10:46 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | Yeah I do | 10:46 |
| euod[m] | you need food and water and oxygen. everything else is optional. | 10:46 |
| euod[m] | there's a good reason things like video calling exist. you can 'see' people without risk. | 10:47 |
| euod[m] | make use of the tools that are in front of you, obsessing about what you can't do doesn't do a whole lot. | 10:48 |
| mefistofeles | %cases US | 10:50 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: why is the bot not responding to commands? | 10:51 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | I expected mutual respect and empathy, not to be told like I'm a child from someone who can't understand basic emotions. | 10:52 |
| SamanthaIsCutesh | Neither did I expect to be lectured from someone who does not know what they're talking about. | 10:52 |
| euod[m] | right-o. | 10:53 |
| euod[m] | I'm not sure what other response I could have given to what was effectively a tantrum. | 10:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:42 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US Senate leaders and White House reach stimulus deal as India locks down: UN urges G20 to adopt ‘wartime plan’; US risks becoming centre of the pandemic, WHO warns; EU urged to evacuate refugees from Greek camps. Follow the latest updates. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 10:55 |
| adventurer | I'm lucky in a way I am used to being on my own | 10:56 |
| adventurer | cabin fever is a thing though | 10:56 |
| adventurer | Lots of people might be starting to get cabin fever | 10:58 |
| euod[m] | maybe. video calling is a pretty good solution, that was a serious comment. | 10:59 |
| euod[m] | this hasn't changed my day to day routine all that much. | 11:00 |
| euod[m] | I don't go to the coffee shop 3 times a day (I couldn't anyway, they closed a month ago) | 11:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:57 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US agrees $2 trillion stimulus as global virus death toll nears 19,000: The White House and Senate leaders have reached a deal on a massive $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill to combat the economic impact of the outbreak. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 11:01 |
| euod[m] | I'm sort of alarmed at the US response. | 11:04 |
| euod[m] | Trump was claiming today that they've won, and everything is going back to normal in 2 weeks. | 11:04 |
| euod[m] | there's a real danger people just start breaking quarantine because hey, trump says its fine. | 11:04 |
| adventurer | It's a good idea the video call | 11:04 |
| euod[m] | > His administration’s goal is to “ease the guidelines and open things up to very large sections of our country as we near the end of our historic battle with the invisible enemy,” the president said. “It’s been going a while time, but we win. We win.” | 11:04 |
| ubLIX | imagine being stuck in a room in North Carolina, euod[m], when your government is coming out with that sort of nonsense | 11:04 |
| euod[m] | adventurer: it really is. you don't have to worry about availability, everybody is doing the same thing. just go dial and see what people are up to. I've been re-learning how to sew, very poorly. | 11:06 |
| farn | The end of the battle? They've barely started fighting | 11:06 |
| adventurer | I never really learnt to sew | 11:06 |
| euod[m] | neither did I, other than a single class in high school to get out of doing sports. but my curtains are too long and I can't go and buy a sewing machine at the moment, so here we are. | 11:07 |
| euod[m] | the choice was sports or sewing, so half the school of course learned how to sew and make tie dye cushions. | 11:07 |
| euod[m] | resulted in more injuries than woodworking class believe it or not. some kid had to go to hospital to get a sewing needle surgically removed from their thumb nail. | 11:08 |
| adventurer | omg on facebook a lady said her son and her are in isolation and her husband is in ICU but still she has to line up and vote | 11:18 |
| adventurer | what the hell are they doing...why not everyone postal vote | 11:18 |
| blkshp | vote for what? | 11:20 |
| jacklsw | election? where | 11:20 |
| adventurer | oh turns out they can vote by phone | 11:20 |
| adventurer | in part of Australia | 11:20 |
| blkshp | vote for what? | 11:20 |
| adventurer | never new of the phone option someone said it in a comment | 11:21 |
| adventurer | in au some regional votes | 11:21 |
| adventurer | for local governments | 11:21 |
| adventurer | s/new/knew | 11:21 |
| Brainstorm | adventurer meant to say: never knew of the phone option someone said it in a comment | 11:21 |
| adventurer | but driving around there were people stacked into these voting places | 11:22 |
| adventurer | it's so silly | 11:22 |
| adventurer | because there are local cases now | 11:22 |
| adventurer | i think they have no idea of the danger they are in | 11:22 |
| adventurer | and they all think they have to vote or get a fine | 11:22 |
| python476 | australia is voting "for or against fire" | 11:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: parliament to close early, as 170,000 people sign up overnight to be NHS volunteers — from WHO at 10:20: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/ryyPl8 | 11:27 |
| Jigsy | Just make it impossible to smuggle COVID-19 into prisons. | 11:32 |
| Jigsy | Classify it as contraband, that'll learn 'em! | 11:33 |
| Jigsy | :> | 11:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 10:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Thousands volunteer to help NHS with vulnerable — from WHO at 10:28: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/9a8krg | 11:33 |
| adventurer | the Pope has urged the world to pray the Lord’s Prayer at midday Rome time, which is 9pm tonight AU time | 11:34 |
| python476 | socnet groups helping people https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-24/covid-19-mysteries-yield-to-doctors-new-weapon-crowd-sourcing | 11:38 |
| darsie | adventurer: What is the Lord's Prayer? | 11:42 |
| adventurer | https://www.google.com/search?q=lords+prayer&safe=active&rlz=1C1CHZL_enAU734AU734&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiX_p3RuLXoAhWzxDgGHaYUCIQQ_AUoAXoECBIQAw&biw=1366&bih=625 | 11:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:42 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US agrees $2 trillion stimulus as global virus death toll nears 19,000: The White House and Senate leaders have reached a deal on a massive $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill to combat the economic impact of the outbreak. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 11:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:47 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il principe Charles del Regno Unito è positivo al virus — from WHO at 10:47: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/rozPj8 | 11:52 |
| mefistofeles | uh, prince Charles heh | 11:53 |
| mnu | wwait really | 11:53 |
| mnu | prince charles? | 11:53 |
| mefistofeles | yes, he's human, you know | 11:53 |
| ubLIX | *citation needed | 11:54 |
| mnu | AP have the story | 11:54 |
| mnu | https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/uk-palace-says-heir-to-the-throne-prince-charles-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-has-mild-symptoms/ar-BB11GfwM | 11:54 |
| mnu | https://apnews.com/c951dd5c5dcf9cd48b2177f5c4fff164 | 11:55 |
| mnu | better link | 11:56 |
| kreyren | Czech republic has 4th death, patient 83yo (apparently male) was administered to the hospital Na Bulovce in prague 21.03.2020 died 25.03.2020. | 11:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 10:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Thousands volunteer to help NHS with vulnerable — from WHO at 10:50: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/9a8krg | 11:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:07 UTC: (news): Britain's heir to the throne Prince Charles tests positive for coronavirus, has mild symptoms — from WHO at 11:07: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/cPQQWr | 12:10 |
| Mr_Pink | little tool using GPS tracking data to see who's staying at home and who's not https://www.unacast.com/covid19/social-distancing-scoreboard | 12:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: UK's Prince Charles tests positive; US agrees $2 trillion stimulus to aid economy — from WHO at 11:12: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 12:17 |
| pwr22 | <mefistofeles "uh, prince Charles heh"> "Our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name...." | 12:20 |
| pwr22 | I only know it because at some point my OCD included me compulsively saying praying to make sure things would be ok, even though I'm not religious | 12:21 |
| pwr22 | I have quoted the wrong thing, that was meant to be in response to the lords prayer thing | 12:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:24 UTC: (news): Britain's heir to the throne Prince Charles tests positive for coronavirus, has mild symptoms — from WHO at 11:24: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/cPQQWr | 12:29 |
| AimHere | "We also now understand that he met his mother the same day, though precise details of that occassion are unclear. The Queen remains "in good health", according to palace officials." | 12:33 |
| kreyren | Czech republic has fifth death (second today), Patient male 88yo, covid-19 confirmed 21.03.2020. Patient had long-term health issues due to his age according to Hospital Na Bulovce in Prague | 12:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic at 11:25 UTC: Why People Still Care About Their Hair in a Pandemic: As the coronavirus pandemic shut down cities and cloistered people indoors around the world, images began to circulate online of what appeared to be nature retaking territory it had previously ceded to humans. In Japan, deer wandered into transit stations looking [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UlxaWS | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:39 UTC: (news): Britain's heir to the throne Prince Charles tests positive for coronavirus, has mild symptoms — from WHO at 11:39: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/cPQQWr | 12:42 |
| oriba | Now m,asks at hospital? No problem, german RKI says: just use them twice! | 12:45 |
| oriba | s/Now m,asks/No masks/ | 12:46 |
| Brainstorm | oriba meant to say: No masks at hospital? No problem, german RKI says: just use them twice! | 12:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:45 UTC: Coronavirus: UK's Prince Charles tests positive; US agrees $2 trillion stimulus to aid economy: The White House and Senate leaders have reached a deal on a massive $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill to combat the economic impact of the outbreak. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tCvxXL | 12:48 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: link? | 12:50 |
| ubLIX | never heard of box.com and can't get link to work for me, but here's Hacker News thread about oven-sterilising N95 masks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22680799 | 12:54 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/swr/rki-atemschutzmasken-wiederverwendung-101.html | 12:57 |
| astraliam[m] | %data italy | 13:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:54 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Prince Charles tests positive for Covid-19 — from WHO at 11:54: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/ryyPl8 | 13:01 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: danke | 13:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:59 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Prince Charles tests positive, Target withdraws forecast — from WHO at 11:59: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 13:08 |
| oriba | video from RKI press conference (today 10 am german time): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig0RNixsh30 | 13:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:06 UTC: (news): Prince Charles, heir to the British throne, tests positive for coronavirus, has mild symptoms — from WHO at 12:06: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/cPQQWr | 13:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Prince Charles tests positive, Target withdraws forecast — from WHO at 12:18: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 13:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna — from WHO at 12:26: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/PKvLI7 | 13:34 |
| Raf[m] | > never heard of box.com and can't get link to work for me, but here's Hacker News thread about oven-sterilising N95 masks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22680799 | 13:36 |
| Raf[m] | There's another mirror of the original Stanford article I posted yesterday | 13:36 |
| ubLIX | Raf[m]: ty, got it in the end, pdf download via direct link: https://m.box.com/file/638527906642/download?shared_link=https%3A%2F%2Fstanfordmedicine.box.com%2Fv%2Fcovid19-PPE-1-1 | 13:38 |
| ubLIX | ^ summary of N95 mask disinfection methods, table on page 5 | 13:40 |
| ubLIX | beware of fire risk, i guess | 13:40 |
| python476 | is that the new report ? | 13:40 |
| ubLIX | no, it has been linked on this channel a couple of times already | 13:41 |
| python476 | ok | 13:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 12:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Thousands volunteer to help NHS with vulnerable — from WHO at 12:35: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/9a8krg | 13:41 |
| ubLIX | from Stanford, dated as "Updated March 22, 2020" | 13:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:45 UTC: Coronavirus live news: death toll in Spain overtakes China, and India locks down: UN urges G20 to adopt ‘wartime plan’; Prince Charles tests positive for coronavirus; Senate and White House reach stimulus deal — from WHO at 12:45: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 13:48 |
| python476 | do you guys know if websites show energy consumption graphs ? | 13:51 |
| python476 | I'm curious about covid impacts beyond oil prices | 13:51 |
| dTal | that's an interesting question. I'd imagine oil use down, factory electricity use down, domestic electricity use up | 13:52 |
| dTal | probably in total, a reduction of energy use | 13:53 |
| dTal | factories burn more per capita than houses | 13:53 |
| euod[m] | aviation fuel is way down. | 13:53 |
| euod[m] | in the order of -40%, likely to be a lot more. | 13:53 |
| dTal | in fact I'd be shocked if energy consumption isn't far, far lower | 13:53 |
| euod[m] | oddly, this will impact shipping packages, no passenger planes means no cargo holds for mail and parcels. | 13:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Prince Charles tests positive, Target withdraws forecast — from WHO at 12:50: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 13:54 |
| euod[m] | https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1242734526616547328 | 13:55 |
| euod[m] | look at the change in air space. | 13:55 |
| euod[m] | india has zero flights. | 13:56 |
| euod[m] | it's beyond me why the US is still allowing flights. | 13:59 |
| euod[m] | utter bone headed idiocy. | 13:59 |
| WoofWolfCrin | %data Philippines | 14:02 |
| xrogaan | euod[m]: muhney! | 14:04 |
| euod[m] | > 'Packed churches all over our country—I think it will be beautiful,' declares Trump despite pandemic. "Easter is a very special day for me," said U.S. president as he continued to press for loosened restrictions in the coming weeks while ignoring expert warnings. | 14:04 |
| euod[m] | oh right. | 14:04 |
| euod[m] | bone headed fuckwit in chief. | 14:04 |
| euod[m] | if you extrapolate the current growth rate in the US, it's over 7 million infected by easter sunday. | 14:05 |
| xrogaan | WoofWolfCrin: https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Philippines | 14:06 |
| romare | what's up with all the nicknames with [m]? | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:02 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Facebook, Microsoft partner with WHO, Target withdraws forecast — from WHO at 13:02: Preventing COVID-19 outbreak in prisons: a challenging but essential task for authorities → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 14:08 |
| xrogaan | romare: matrix bridge | 14:08 |
| romare | oh ok | 14:08 |
| xrogaan | LjL: need help with your bot? | 14:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Facebook, Microsoft partner with WHO, Prince Charles tests positive — from WHO at 13:08: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 14:14 |
| oriba | monday on RKI press conference there was a "cautious hope" that the speed of the infections in germany might slow down, but that this can be an artifact because not all numbers were transmitted from the local health officials | 14:19 |
| oriba | today nothing about that, instead: we are at the begining of an epidemic... | 14:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:16 UTC: Bernanke: Coronavirus disruptions are 'much closer to a major snowstorm' than the Great Depression: The ex-Fed chairman who served before and after the 2008 financial crisis said Wednesday the coronavirus economic halt is more like natural disaster than a classic depression. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/yh2hNW | 14:21 |
| LjL | xrogaan, i just broke a small thing, forgot a comma yesterday | 14:25 |
| LjL | also, it appears i've lied to you all, by means of the Civil Protection lying to me | 14:25 |
| LjL | yesterday i said there was some +3000 cases and it was lower than the figure from the day before | 14:26 |
| LjL | but now i realize... look at this https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/ | 14:26 |
| LjL | the +3600 is "current cases", while there is a +5200 in "total cases" | 14:26 |
| LjL | so they are subtracting the day's recoveries *from* the daily new cases | 14:26 |
| LjL | which i'm pretty sure is not the international standard for doing this | 14:26 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers ↑ | 14:26 |
| LjL | may be of interest to you | 14:26 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 14:27 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 69176 cases, 6820 deaths (9.9% of cases), 8326 recoveries as of March 25, 12:32Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 14:27 |
| bin_bash | ah pullin the ol china | 14:27 |
| python476 | how's india lockdown so far ? | 14:28 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, but your data actually look clean today and i think the +5000 is being counted, not the massaged numbers | 14:28 |
| LjL | python476, based on TV, tons of supermarket hoarding | 14:28 |
| LjL | or at least tons of queues | 14:28 |
| LjL | which are definitely not keeping a 1m distance like here | 14:28 |
| euod[m] | well worse, lots of shared surfaces. | 14:29 |
| euod[m] | people handling money. | 14:29 |
| euod[m] | people touching the pin pad. | 14:29 |
| python476 | LjL heh, no exception I see | 14:29 |
| LjL | i think use of cash has been drastically reduced in India since demonetization, euod[m] | 14:29 |
| LjL | tavish | 14:30 |
| AimHere | euod[m], I was annoyed at the supermarket touchscreen that wouldn't activate when I tried touching it through a tissue | 14:30 |
| LjL | capacitative little shits | 14:30 |
| davidmpye[m] | AimHere Capacitative touchscreens | 14:30 |
| AimHere | Yeah | 14:30 |
| euod[m] | AimHere: touching it with a piece of aluminum foil works. | 14:31 |
| LjL | davidmpye[m], may i have a PM? | 14:31 |
| davidmpye[m] | feel free to tyr :) | 14:31 |
| davidmpye[m] | try | 14:31 |
| davidmpye[m] | not had much luck with getting pms to work | 14:31 |
| LjL | O.o | 14:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American at 13:30 UTC: Warfare in Wonderland: The new coronavirus raises questions about how pathogens evolve—and if we’re ready to face them -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com — from WHO at 13:30: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/7jpQZW | 14:33 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +305 cases (now 476906), +13 deaths (now 21507), +23 recoveries (now 115506) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 7) 🔹 Denmark: +39 recoveries (now 40) 🔹 India: +44 cases (now 606), +2 recoveries (now 42) 🔹 Iraq: +30 cases (now 346), +14 recoveries (now 89) 🔹 Norway: +69 cases (now 2971) 🔹 Pakistan: +8 cases (now 1022) 🔹 Sweden: +70 cases (now 2526) [... want %more?] | 14:36 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, also, partly based on the above discovery, i have a request to make that's probably not huge to implement: when i hover on a data point, can it show me the increment from the previous day? i'm not very good at subtracting in my mind :P | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:35 UTC: Bernanke: Coronavirus disruptions are 'much closer to a major snowstorm' than the Great Depression: The ex-Fed chairman, who served before and after the 2008 financial crisis, said Wednesday the coronavirus economic halt is more like natural disaster than a classic depression. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/yh2hNW | 14:40 |
| LjL | right, sure, a snowstorm | 14:40 |
| oriba | germany has so low numbers of deaths, because of many tests, many of the tests done at symptom free people... see here, part 21, about 11m https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/podcast4684.html | 14:44 |
| xrogaan | anybody have an account to what "mild case" might be like? | 14:47 |
| AimHere | I think that's a broad spectrum from loss of smell and/or runny nose right through to really bad case of the flu | 14:48 |
| AimHere | Anything short of hospitalization seems to be roughly what it means | 14:48 |
| ubLIX | "mild" includes pneumonia not requiring hospitalisation, last i heard | 14:48 |
| ubLIX | presumably the bar for hospitalisation has been raised, too | 14:49 |
| bin_bash | it doesn't have to include pneumonia | 14:49 |
| bin_bash | mild can be very few or no symptoms, gi issues | 14:49 |
| bin_bash | pneumonia is inherently NOT mild | 14:50 |
| kreyren | What the hug is hantavirus | 14:50 |
| ubLIX | yes, well, that is the surprising aspect of 80% of cases are mild; this mild included pneumonia; but i haven't checked that for a couple of weeks | 14:50 |
| sneep | Pneumonia can be mild | 14:50 |
| kreyren | Hantavirus Novel Coronavirus 2020? | 14:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1904 cases (now 478810) 🔸 Netherlands: +852 cases (now 6412), +1 recoveries (now 3) 🔸 Netherlands: +852 cases (now 6412) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 7) 🔹 Austria: +44 cases (now 5560) 🔹 Denmark: +39 recoveries (now 40) 🔹 Germany: +155 cases (now 35353), +2 deaths (now 181) 🔹 India: +44 cases (now 606), +2 recoveries (now 42) [... want %more?] | 14:51 |
| lf94 | lol | 14:51 |
| AimHere | kreyren, nothing very significant. Some news outlets are shouting about it to minimize the effect of Coronavirus | 14:51 |
| AimHere | Because one person got it | 14:51 |
| kreyren | gut | 14:51 |
| sneep | https://www.webmd.com/lung/walking-pneumonia | 14:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:46 UTC: Nine European countries say it is time for 'corona bonds' as virus death toll rises: Pressure is building up in Europe to come up with new ways to mitigate the economic impact of the coronavirus, in the region that has become the epicenter of the outbreak. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/wX138q | 14:53 |
| AimHere | Heh, have government bonds ever paid off in a crisis? | 14:54 |
| python476 | Hanta Montannah | 14:55 |
| kreyren | AimHere, aldo apparently it's spreading through the air and has high R0 so in theory i could get worse | 14:55 |
| sneep | The word "pneumonia" just means "lung disease" (etymology-wise) but in many other languages the word for pneumonia is "inflammation of the lung" | 14:55 |
| kreyren | *It | 14:55 |
| euod[m] | kreyren: citation for airborne? | 14:55 |
| kreyren | euod[m], https://www.cdc.gov/hantavirus/hps/transmission.html | 14:56 |
| AimHere | kreyren, is there even human-human hantavirus transmission? | 14:56 |
| kreyren | AimHere, none that i can see | 14:56 |
| euod[m] | kreyren: missed context, sorry. | 14:56 |
| python476 | kreyren: oh | 14:56 |
| AimHere | kreyren, I think I'll remain calm then, until I'm up to my knees in ratshit | 14:57 |
| python476 | man, a double pandemic would be ffff | 14:57 |
| python476 | oh but hantavirus is not new | 14:57 |
| kreyren | python476, yep seems to be well known | 14:58 |
| kreyren | media are spreading panic apparently *shrug* | 14:58 |
| sneep | Maybe you're looking at the wrong media | 14:59 |
| sneep | I hadn't heard of it until just now | 14:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:58 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: La conferenza stampa di questo pomeriggio è stato annullato — from WHO at 13:58: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/5cjP0J | 15:00 |
| kreyren | sneep, well true i was informed about this from extra.cz which is real shi* | 15:00 |
| python476 | kreyren: I mean I just searched on reddit and people were already anxious last yea | 15:00 |
| python476 | year* | 15:00 |
| python476 | yet no one talked about it | 15:00 |
| python476 | *tinfoil* | 15:00 |
| kreyren | if ppl were concerned about this year ago then why do we still have deaths on it | 15:01 |
| AimHere | Hantavirus isn't very concerning. A few ratcatchers and sewage workers a year might get it, but it's never likely to be a pandemic until it can go from person to person | 15:02 |
| kreyren | true | 15:02 |
| yuriwho | here's a british doc wanting whole of population testing in a one week period, quarantine and contact tracing get COVID-19 under control: https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m1163 | 15:03 |
| python476 | "contagious person to person ? no its not" https://youtu.be/sRamTQT33tI?t=255 | 15:03 |
| python476 | case closed | 15:03 |
| AimHere | yuriwho, that's 70 million tests per week | 15:04 |
| yuriwho | it's doable | 15:04 |
| SubHacker_Flash | welp | 15:04 |
| AimHere | Are you sure? | 15:05 |
| AimHere | I mean, it would take a ton of infrastructure, and I don't even know how many trained staff you'd need for it | 15:05 |
| yuriwho | might take a month or two to manufacture the testing kits and organize all PCR resources | 15:05 |
| yuriwho | the argument is that we can't wait for a vaccine | 15:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:01 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il numero di contagi verrà comunque pubblicato sul sito, e quindi li condivido. — from WHO at 14:01: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/LIflwd | 15:07 |
| yuriwho | as far as staff, nearly every bioscience researcher has the skills and they are all locked out of their labs unless they are doing COVID-19 related research | 15:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC hospitals nearly 'maxed out,' Prince Charles tests positive — from WHO at 14:08: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +370 cases (now 479180), +184 deaths (now 21675), +1 recoveries (now 115527) 🔸 Germany: +333 cases (now 35531), +2 deaths (now 181) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 7) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Brazil: +3 cases (now 2274) 🔹 Denmark: +39 recoveries (now 40) 🔹 India: +44 cases (now 606), +2 recoveries (now 42) [... want %more?] | 15:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:24 UTC: Nine European countries say it is time for 'corona bonds' as virus death toll rises: Pressure is building up in Europe to come up with new ways to mitigate the economic impact of the coronavirus, in the region that has become the epicenter of the outbreak. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/wX138q | 15:28 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +378 cases (now 479558), +8 deaths (now 21683) 🔹 Argentina: +1 deaths (now 7) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Brazil: +3 cases (now 2274) 🔹 Chile: +1 deaths (now 3) 🔹 Denmark: +39 recoveries (now 40) 🔹 Dominican Republic: +80 cases (now 392), +4 deaths (now 10) 🔹 Germany: +173 cases (now 35704) [... want %more?] | 15:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson suggests government could move to ban profiteering during crisis — from WHO at 14:35: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/ryyPl8 | 15:41 |
| tavish | LjL: I guess it has, especially in bigger cities | 15:49 |
| tavish | btw, 'sugeested' lockdown in tokyo for the weekend | 15:50 |
| ubLIX | might as well copy this here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days | 15:51 |
| Biep[m] | <pagetelegram "These documents just got dumped "> Wikileaks. But they'll probably dump it as being nonsense. At least they have the wherewithal to make that decision. | 15:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 14:43 UTC: Gaming & Culture: Plague Inc. rolling out new mode where you fight to contain the outbreak — from WHO at 14:43: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/ab1VxY | 15:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: death toll in Spain passes China; Belgium hospital admissions rise by 50% in a day — from WHO at 14:50: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC hospitals nearly 'maxed out,' Prince Charles tests positive — from WHO at 15:03: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 16:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Almost half of NYC's patients are under 45, hospitals nearly 'maxed out' — from WHO at 15:10: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 16:13 |
| pagetelegram | Biep, thank you, Amok document seems to me a smoking gun on some really dark shit | 16:17 |
| LjL | tavish, "suggested" won't remain suggested for long... Japan is growing slowly, but exponentially | 16:18 |
| pagetelegram | I am waiting for my colleague Morris to encapsulate all stills to PDF...I could do up to 70 with image magick then resource run out. | 16:18 |
| LjL | tavish, but the good news is you have 13 hospital beds for 1000 people. by comparison, Italy has 3 | 16:18 |
| LjL | tavish, although i cannot stress it enough, check your insurance :P | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +379 cases (now 479937), +4 deaths (now 21687), +94 recoveries (now 115621) 🔸 Luxembourg: +234 cases (now 1333) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Brazil: +3 cases (now 2274) 🔹 Bulgaria: +22 cases (now 242) 🔹 Cambodia: +3 cases (now 96), +4 recoveries (now 10) [... want %more?] | 16:21 |
| ranaassad337[m] | People are being richest due to Corona Virus.. | 16:24 |
| ranaassad337[m] | https://www.newsup4u.com/2020/03/people-are-being-millionaire-by-coronavirus.html?m=1 | 16:24 |
| cews | > Another four Italian doctors have died with the coronavirus, bringing the toll in the epidemic up to 29, the national federation of doctors told ANSA, reports Lorenzo Tondo in Italy. | 16:27 |
| LjL | :( | 16:28 |
| LjL | ranaassad337[m], that's written in a strange english | 16:29 |
| cews | I would not click | 16:31 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +396 cases (now 480333), +4 deaths (now 21691) 🔸 US: +292 cases (now 55416), +2 deaths (now 789) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Brazil: +3 cases (now 2274) 🔹 Bulgaria: +22 cases (now 242) 🔹 Cambodia: +3 cases (now 96), +4 recoveries (now 10) [... want %more?] | 16:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:34 UTC: /u/slakmehl: As deaths in NYC - a lagging indicator - continue to double at an alarming rate (every 1-2 days), there is some evidence that distancing measures are having effect on an indicator closer to infection: hospitalizations. — from WHO at 15:34: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/uybKAu | 16:39 |
| LjL | https://www.milanocam.it/BuenosAires_1/ is usually one of the most crowded streets in Milan due to being a shopping district | 16:42 |
| LjL | https://www.milanocam.it/Cadorna/ also is full of commuter, it's busier than the bigger but non-commuter stations usually | 16:43 |
| oriba | The new slogan: "2 metres distance determines our existence": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6JrkLvsKtw | 16:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Almost half of NYC's patients are under 45, cannabis industry seeing sales boom — from WHO at 15:42: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 16:45 |
| LjL | i wonder if our government will upgrade from 1m to 2m at some point | 16:45 |
| LjL | since that's what everyone else is using and 1m is obviously ridiculous | 16:46 |
| LjL | uh oh | 16:47 |
| LjL | %title https://twitter.com/DPCgov/status/1242811902427889664 | 16:47 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From twitter.com: Dipartimento Protezione Civile su Twitter: "🔴#25marzo A causa di un lieve stato febbrile del Capo Dipartimento Borrelli la conferenza stampa di aggiornamento sul #coronavirus delle ore 18 è sospesa. [...] | 16:47 |
| LjL | %tr A causa di un lieve stato febbrile del Capo Dipartimento Borrelli la conferenza stampa di aggiornamento sul #coronavirus delle ore 18 è sospesa. | 16:48 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: Due to a mild feverish state of the Head of the Borrelli Department, the press conference on the #coronavirus at 18.00 is suspended. (MyMemory, Google) — To cause of a slight been feverish of the Boss Department *Borrelli the conference #print of update on the #*coronavirus of the hours 18 #be suspended. (Apertium) | 16:48 |
| LjL | it's the a Borrelli Department, but, yeah, that | 16:48 |
| LjL | no press conference today | 16:48 |
| andrito | %data lithuania | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +4662 cases (now 484995), +6 deaths (now 21697), +1 recoveries (now 115622) 🔸 US: +4493 cases (now 59909), +2 deaths (now 791) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Brazil: +3 cases (now 2274) 🔹 Bulgaria: +22 cases (now 242) [... want %more?] | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | andrito: In all areas, Lithuania, there are 255 cases, 4 deaths (1.6% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 25, 14:49Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lithuania for time series data. | 16:50 |
| LjL | +4500 US... wow. | 16:52 |
| andrito | yap | 16:53 |
| andrito | where you from LjL ? | 16:53 |
| LjL | milan | 16:53 |
| andrito | hard time also | 16:54 |
| LjL | yes | 16:54 |
| LjL | at some point those of us who don't get sick will go crazy probably | 16:54 |
| andrito | can be\ | 16:55 |
| andrito | hope in good way | 16:55 |
| LjL | i just showed before you joined... two of the places in Milan that are usually most busy with people | 16:55 |
| andrito | im actualy want to get sick and recover | 16:55 |
| LjL | https://www.milanocam.it/Cadorna/ https://www.milanocam.it/BuenosAires_1/ | 16:55 |
| LjL | yeah, and best to get sick while hospitals are still available | 16:56 |
| LjL | although i wouldn't suggest actively trying to get sick | 16:56 |
| andrito | looks terrible actualy | 16:56 |
| andrito | o no no you joking | 16:56 |
| andrito | i just in case told that :) | 16:57 |
| LjL | well, it's a thought that many had | 16:57 |
| andrito | lets hope everything will be alright | 16:58 |
| andrito | some shit | 16:58 |
| andrito | we got | 16:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:54 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nick Cohen su Twitter: "Hugely important announcement, first sign we just might be getting on top of this. UK coronavirus mass home testing to be made available 'within days' https://t.co/D72nWC9V9E" — from WHO at 15:54: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/8EuHYO | 16:58 |
| LjL | it will take a long time before things are alright again | 16:58 |
| calbasi_matrix | LjL: how is possible just only 20% of deaths are outside North Italy? Here in Spain the deaths are spreading all over the country... | 16:58 |
| LjL | "The test detects the presence of IGM, an antibody that arises very early on in the infection, and IGG, which is increased in the body’s response to the virus." (article above) | 16:59 |
| calbasi_matrix | Does it mean you ban of movements from North to South have succeed? | 16:59 |
| LjL | calbasi_matrix, in Spain Madrid is by far the most hit | 16:59 |
| LjL | probably not | 16:59 |
| LjL | a lot of people went south | 16:59 |
| calbasi_matrix | <LjL "calbasi, in Spain Madrid is by f"> They have just 1 week of margin about, for example, Catalonia (500 deaths). Madrid at the beggining has more then 80% of deaths, but now has just 60% | 17:01 |
| LjL | hmpf i thought i had a link to spain's arcgis thing | 17:01 |
| calbasi_matrix | (Population of Madrid and Catalonia are similar, about 7 million people each, from 45milions of Spaniards) | 17:02 |
| AimHere | Madrid is a city. Catalonia is a region | 17:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:03 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Twitter — from WHO at 16:03: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/YeKaDm | 17:05 |
| AimHere | So you're going to expect Madrid to have a faster spread of the virus | 17:05 |
| calbasi_matrix | Madrid is also a region ;-) | 17:05 |
| calbasi_matrix | In Catalonia about 5 million live in barcelona and sorroundings... It's similar to Madrid | 17:06 |
| yuriwho | LjL: the antibody test are almost here: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/uk-coronavirus-mass-home-testing-to-be-made-available-within-days | 17:06 |
| the_owls_are_not | Just a reminder to everyone. Get some movement. Get some excercise. Meditate. Take a break from the virus occasionally and forget it exists. Stay health and stay safe. | 17:06 |
| calbasi_matrix | But growing od cases and deaths in Catalonia has a higher rate then Madrid (and Italy) had | 17:06 |
| calbasi_matrix | I'm susprisded because I don't see this growing in Lazion and Southern regions of Italy... And I don't know why | 17:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: New York City weighs closing parks, playgrounds and streets to enforce social distancing, Gov. Cuomo says — from WHO at 16:06: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/CFyQsX | 17:11 |
| oxalis | %cases | 17:13 |
| Brainstorm | oxalis: In all areas, World, there are 485057 cases, 21717 deaths (4.5% of cases), 115622 recoveries as of March 25, 16:03Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 17:13 |
| pagetelegram | Need a debian package that encrypts voice audio. ciphony, voiceencrypt etc | 17:13 |
| oxalis | I think wer're going to cross the grimm 1/2B threshold today | 17:13 |
| oxalis | er | 17:14 |
| oxalis | 1/2M | 17:14 |
| thunderduck | -y | 17:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American at 16:15 UTC: How Blood from Coronavirus Survivors Might Save Lives: Doctors test hospital staff with flu-like symptoms for coronavirus (COVID-19) in set-up tents to triage possible COVID-19 patients outside before they enter the main Emergency department area at St. Barnabas hospital in the Bronx on March 24, 2020 in New [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/CUzCi9 | 17:18 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +227 cases (now 485222), +29 deaths (now 21726), +6 recoveries (now 115628) 🔸 Germany: +209 cases (now 35740), +5 deaths (now 186) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) [... want %more?] | 17:21 |
| yuriwho | the US just hit 60K cases | 17:22 |
| AimHere | Should be well over 65k by the end of the day | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: New York City weighs closing parks, playgrounds and streets to enforce social distancing, Gov. Cuomo says — from WHO at 16:20: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/CFyQsX | 17:24 |
| oxalis | https://i.imgur.com/NWJ0rgc.jpg | 17:25 |
| python476 | wat | 17:33 |
| python476 | plague.com has changed | 17:33 |
| the_owls_are_not | The US will be at 100k by Easter. | 17:34 |
| slash_ | easter? | 17:35 |
| slash_ | that's quite optimistic | 17:35 |
| the_owls_are_not | Honestly we are probably all ready over that. | 17:35 |
| AimHere | Easter is in 12 days. The US will be at 100k before the end of the week | 17:36 |
| slash_ | i am glad at least here it seems to stabilize a bit | 17:37 |
| slash_ | ICU patients actually went down | 17:37 |
| the_owls_are_not | slash_: Where are you? | 17:37 |
| slash_ | netherlands | 17:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Almost half of NYC's patients are under 45, cannabis industry seeing sales boom — from WHO at 16:34: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 17:37 |
| slash_ | but people still acting stupid, so maybe even stricter measures might be needed | 17:38 |
| the_owls_are_not | slash_: Beautiful country | 17:38 |
| slash_ | it's not bad, but I prefer nature and mountains :P | 17:39 |
| slash_ | but I guess what is different is always more interesting | 17:39 |
| python476 | AimHere: some would argue they're already there | 17:40 |
| AimHere | python476, yeah. I'm only talking known cases. Actual cases is surely well above already | 17:40 |
| python476 | ye | 17:40 |
| slash_ | it's the same here, estimated cases are around 30-40k, but confirmed are at 6.4k | 17:41 |
| AimHere | I'm sceptical of any estimate above known cases that isn't a multiple > 10 | 17:41 |
| python476 | a conservative extrapolation, 5x, would mean 2M infected worldwide | 17:42 |
| slash_ | well it depends on the country, in Germany for example they test a lot | 17:42 |
| python476 | true | 17:42 |
| python476 | but they give immortality to their citizen | 17:42 |
| python476 | so it's not fair | 17:42 |
| slash_ | not sure about that haha | 17:42 |
| the_owls_are_not | Testing in the US has been terrible. | 17:43 |
| python476 | how so ? | 17:43 |
| python476 | so far everything has been very mediocre | 17:43 |
| python476 | except maybe post outbreak wuhan, SK and SG | 17:43 |
| slash_ | US was slow to start, but it seems most states are doing well on testing now | 17:44 |
| slash_ | still probably at least 10x as many infections than reported | 17:44 |
| calbasi_matrix | %cases Nethelands | 17:44 |
| Brainstorm | calbasi_matrix: Sorry, Nethelands not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 17:44 |
| slash_ | %cases Netherlands | 17:44 |
| Brainstorm | slash_: In all areas, Netherlands, there are 6412 cases, 356 deaths (5.6% of cases), 3 recoveries as of March 25, 16:25Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands for time series data. | 17:44 |
| oxalis | I can't get tested in Texas, FWIW | 17:45 |
| slash_ | we have a lot of deaths.. because many elderly refuse ICU | 17:45 |
| slash_ | so they die at home :S | 17:45 |
| python476 | slash_: so weird | 17:45 |
| the_owls_are_not | We are getting better. But if you're not in a high risk category, and you don't know someone who has it you're not getting tested. (Most likely). | 17:45 |
| oxalis | the "free" tests aren't free, and you have to prove you've traveled to a red zone, or been in contact with someone who tested positive | 17:45 |
| python476 | it's highly confusing when the whole effort is to shield 60-80yo and they just do whatever | 17:46 |
| slash_ | python476 I understand to some extent.. we have relatively many old people infected and with underlying conditions or already terminal illness they do not want to continue life | 17:46 |
| slash_ | but still.. | 17:46 |
| IronY | "In a weird reversal of my childhood, I am now yelling at my parents to stay at home" -- Ripping off some random funny tweet | 17:46 |
| python476 | slash_: yeah.. | 17:46 |
| slash_ | freenode having problems lol? | 17:47 |
| IronY | rip matrix.org | 17:47 |
| oxalis | sounmds lilke it | 17:47 |
| oxalis | what is matrix.org? | 17:47 |
| python476 | a chat system | 17:47 |
| IronY | yeah, thats a matrix.org problem, not a freenode problem | 17:47 |
| oxalis | you mean it WAS a chat system? | 17:47 |
| python476 | ~modern IRC | 17:47 |
| IronY | we are connected to freenode, they are connected to matrix.org -> which is then connected to freenode | 17:47 |
| python476 | oxalis: it's a silencing disconnecting chat system, be open minded bruh | 17:48 |
| oxalis | python476: what's that? | 17:48 |
| python476 | I like to speak by my absence | 17:48 |
| Scarecr0w | IronY: So matrix.org is like a bouncer? A tunnel? | 17:48 |
| python476 | oxalis: nothing, i'm just joking | 17:48 |
| oxalis | oh | 17:48 |
| calbasi_matrix | <slash_ "we have a lot of deaths.. becaus"> Why? | 17:48 |
| IronY | Scarecr0w: and a front end, all in one | 17:48 |
| python476 | Scarecr0w: nah it's an independent messenging system | 17:48 |
| python476 | but there's a bridge between good old irc and matrix | 17:48 |
| oxalis | does it turn all it's clients into human batteries? | 17:48 |
| python476 | and that bridge just cracked | 17:48 |
| python476 | oxalis: that feature is still in development | 17:49 |
| slash_ | calbasi_matrix mostly very elderly who refuse treatment | 17:49 |
| calbasi_matrix | <slash_ "python476 I understand to some e"> Ok, Get it! | 17:49 |
| Scarecr0w | Seems like freenode is having trouble too. I see lots of "quit and joined" query messages in the last minute. | 17:49 |
| IronY | oxalis: See the feature requests for more info | 17:49 |
| python476 | please send your email to get notifications on when you can become a human battery :D | 17:49 |
| python476 | Scarecr0w: is your internet slow btw ? | 17:49 |
| python476 | youtube has reduced video resolution | 17:49 |
| python476 | and it was sluggish yesterday | 17:49 |
| Scarecr0w | python476: gigabit fibre network. ;) | 17:50 |
| Scarecr0w | fiber* | 17:50 |
| IronY | 820mbps on Docsis | 17:50 |
| IronY | thanks Canada | 17:50 |
| IronY | (as per last speed test) | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:45 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: New York City weighs closing parks, playgrounds and streets to enforce social distancing, Gov. Cuomo says — from WHO at 16:45: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/CFyQsX | 17:50 |
| python476 | Scarecr0w: DSL2+ copper #purr | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +722 cases (now 485944), +10 deaths (now 21736), +10 recoveries (now 115638) 🔸 US: +676 cases (now 60642), +9 deaths (now 817), +3 recoveries (now 382) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) [... want %more?] | 17:51 |
| Scarecr0w | USA is shit with internet services offered to the general public. | 17:51 |
| slash_ | I have 500mbit fiber, but yeah there are internet capacity issues due to working from home in lots of countries | 17:51 |
| Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 1874 cases, 44 deaths (2.3% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 25, 15:58Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 17:51 |
| Strantrickt[m] | Wtf? | 17:52 |
| slash_ | people streaming whole day at home, local networks not built for this | 17:52 |
| IronY | slash_: thats not entirely accurate | 17:52 |
| IronY | people working from work streamed almost as much | 17:52 |
| IronY | and significantly less people are just working, it is more video consumption | 17:53 |
| Scarecr0w | Forgive me but where could I possibly see the accurate statistics of COVID-19 effects (such as tested positive counts etc.) The website I'm looking at shows ~55k, @Brainstorm just said ~60k | 17:53 |
| IronY | Do we really need HDR / Atmos on netflix, time will tell lol | 17:53 |
| Scarecr0w | ISPs should be able to handle the traffic load, they've been ripping us off for years for shit network anyways. | 17:54 |
| slash_ | IronY yeah sorry, the WFH is not the issue, it's almost entirely video streaming. But I meant that people also stream video while WFH (i.e. music through youtube) | 17:54 |
| slash_ | IronY which adds to the rest of the load of people sitting home and streaming video | 17:54 |
| IronY | fair, I personally would stream video when working from work as well, it might not have been in focus and it may of only been to listen to the audio via headphones, lol, my consumption has not changed, how ever, factor in the fact I now have a tv streaming video while i stream muted video with captions on and u got a point | 17:55 |
| Timvde | Scarecr0w: there are about 4500 new cases in America today, so you're probably just looking at 1 day old data on the website | 17:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Senate finalizing stimulus ahead of vote; Apple, Facebook donate wildfire masks to health workers — from WHO at 16:54: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 17:57 |
| mefistofeles | woah, matrix server failed/crashed? | 17:57 |
| python476 | something happened clearly | 17:58 |
| slash_ | is matrix an irc client? | 17:58 |
| python476 | you think they're having DDoS ? they had one last week | 17:58 |
| IronY | Not sure why people have to use a third party service to connect to something that has been around the last 30 years | 17:58 |
| IronY | but hey | 17:58 |
| IronY | people | 17:58 |
| python476 | slash_: it's a different messaging system | 17:58 |
| IronY | https://matrix.org/ | 17:58 |
| python476 | IIRC encrypted and stuff | 17:58 |
| mefistofeles | python476: matrix has this from time to time, fwiw | 17:58 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: because they want logging capabilities without having to be connected all the time, that's one | 17:59 |
| slash_ | well it doesn't seem that decentralized when it just goes down like that lol | 17:59 |
| mefistofeles | also they want some centralized but open arch, which is also secure | 17:59 |
| python476 | mefistofeles: yeah and networks are rippling. some people received mails from ISP asking to reduce net usage | 18:00 |
| IronY | re logging: Thats called a bnc / znc / the other 100 things that do that | 18:00 |
| python476 | 2020 year of the backpressure | 18:00 |
| mefistofeles | slash_: the architecture is decentralized, of course, if everyone uses the same server and that server crashes, well... | 18:00 |
| IronY | 2: Encryption, notice the GUIDS on those messages, notice the fact I am reading ur text in plane text | 18:00 |
| mefistofeles | but nothing stops you from using other servers or setting up your own, that's what decentralized means here | 18:00 |
| IronY | plain* | 18:00 |
| slash_ | mefistofeles ah so there is 1 matrix server or something connecting to freenode and that one crashed? | 18:00 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: bnc/znc still need a server and they are way insecure, fwiw | 18:01 |
| mefistofeles | and they arenot general purpose | 18:01 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: I assure you my server is secure then 'someone elses server' | 18:01 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: cool, you can, most cannot | 18:01 |
| Scarecr0w | mefistofeles: What if you add SSL/TLS and 2 factor auth for server access + permission set up, it'll be pretty secure | 18:01 |
| IronY | Putting things outside of your control and stating their more secure is kinda silly considering the 10 data breaches I get in my mailbox a day | 18:01 |
| IronY | lol | 18:01 |
| python476 | https://imgur.com/a/BoXu0cy | 18:02 |
| ubLIX | you can run your own matrix server and secure it all you want | 18:02 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: I'm not saying that's why they are mre secure | 18:02 |
| mefistofeles | the matrix algorithms and architecture is more secure than ZNC | 18:02 |
| mefistofeles | now, if you have an insecure server, nothing you can do | 18:02 |
| IronY | │130229 mefistofeles | the matrix algorithms and architecture is more secure than ZNC │ Howardbot[m] | 18:03 |
| IronY | not when connecting to IRC | 18:03 |
| IronY | lol | 18:03 |
| bn_mobile | wasn't the other benefit aggregation of disparate messaging protocols? | 18:03 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: yes, also then, but anyways | 18:03 |
| mefistofeles | off-topic | 18:03 |
| mefistofeles | bn_mobile: yes | 18:03 |
| Scarecr0w | IRC is just plain text, there's no encryption involved for the messages, right? | 18:03 |
| IronY | mefistofeles: *sigh* Do you seea GUID in my host | 18:03 |
| mefistofeles | Scarecr0w: depends on the service/netowrk | 18:03 |
| IronY | end of conversation | 18:03 |
| mefistofeles | network* | 18:03 |
| bn_mobile | you can connect securely for IRC for years | 18:04 |
| bn_mobile | it's up to the server operator though | 18:04 |
| python476 | my cat so doesn't care about encryption | 18:04 |
| bn_mobile | or network | 18:04 |
| ubLIX | old news by now (Monday), probably, but "the FDA granted Gilead Sciences “orphan” drug status for remdesivir" | 18:06 |
| ubLIX | "The designation is generally reserved for drugs that treat rare illnesses affecting fewer than 200,000 Americans" | 18:06 |
| ubLIX | "Having secured orphan drug status, Gilead Sciences can now profit exclusively off the drug for seven years and could block manufacturers from developing generic versions of the drug which might be more accessible to many patients. The company can set price controls on the drug as well as benefiting from grants and tax credits." | 18:06 |
| ubLIX | https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/03/this-is-a-massive-scandal-trump-fda-grants-drug-company-exclusive-claim-on-promising-coronavirus-drug.html | 18:06 |
| ubLIX | https://theintercept.com/2020/03/23/gilead-sciences-coronavirus-treatment-orphan-drug-status/ | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +242 cases (now 486186), +6 deaths (now 21742), +5 recoveries (now 115643) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Brazil: +3 cases (now 2274) 🔹 Bulgaria: +22 cases (now 242) [... want %more?] | 18:06 |
| Jigsy | Slowly nearing half a million... | 18:07 |
| python476 | ubLIX: what's the reasoning ??? cold business or am I missing something ? | 18:07 |
| Timvde | Jigsy: "slowly"... | 18:07 |
| bn_mobile | %data us | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | bn_mobile: In all areas, US, there are 60653 cases, 819 deaths (1.4% of cases), 387 recoveries as of March 25, 16:59Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:07 |
| python476 | Jigsy: honestly I'm stopping watching graphs, it's useless now, the thing is here, I'd rather read medical reports and strategies | 18:08 |
| bn_mobile | %data NY | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | bn_mobile: In New York, US, there are 15793 cases, 117 deaths (0.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 25, 16:59Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:08 |
| Timvde | %cases Italy | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | Timvde: In all areas, Italy, there are 69176 cases, 6820 deaths (9.9% of cases), 8326 recoveries as of March 25, 15:58Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:08 |
| bn_mobile | %data NYC | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | bn_mobile: Sorry, NYC not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 18:08 |
| bn_mobile | %data New York City | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | bn_mobile: Sorry, New York City not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 18:08 |
| IronY | %data NY, NY | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | IronY: Sorry, NY, NY not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 18:08 |
| ubLIX | python476: "As The Intercept reported, the designation was given to a company where Joe Grogan, a member of President Donald Trump’s “coronavirus task force,” worked as a lobbyist from 2011 to 2017, often working on issues regarding drug pricing." | 18:09 |
| mefistofeles | %cases New York | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In New York, US, there are 15793 cases, 117 deaths (0.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 25, 16:59Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:09 |
| mefistofeles | NY handling it pretty good so far | 18:09 |
| IronY | thats the state, he is looking for the city | 18:09 |
| xionbox[m] | The lockdown in France has really greatly diminished the growth of the virus in the country. It was enacted either days ago now IIRC, and that's when France stopped being in the top growth rate: https://offloop.net/covid19/ | 18:09 |
| xionbox[m] | The US growth is stunning! | 18:09 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Atlanta | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: Sorry, Atlanta not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 18:09 |
| mefistofeles | IronY: no city info, apparently | 18:09 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Georgia | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Georgia, there are 73 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 10 recoveries as of March 25, 15:58Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Georgia for time series data. | 18:09 |
| mefistofeles | oh heall, | 18:10 |
| IronY | Yeah canada stopped doing city to JHO awhile ago | 18:10 |
| IronY | now we just do province level | 18:10 |
| mefistofeles | yes, that's easier when you have so many cases | 18:10 |
| ubLIX | python476: how tinfoil do you want to be? Orphan status must be granted before case numbers pass 200,000; US aggressively suppressed testing for some time. | 18:10 |
| IronY | if you are curious folks, (here in canada at least) you can still get city numbers via your local health units site | 18:10 |
| python476 | ubLIX: exp(smh) | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: PCM-DPC dati forniti dal Ministero della Salute AGGIORNAMENTO 25/03/2020 ORE 17.00 POSITIVI AL nCoV Totale | DIMESSI/ casi Ricoverati | Terapia | Isolamento DECEDUTI TAMPONI con sintomi| intensiva | domiciliare attualmente | GUARITI TOTALI 10026 1236 9329 32.346 EmiliaRomagna | 3180 294 4782 10.054 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/vNp51B | 18:16 |
| ubLIX | python476: the nakedcapitalism article has a more nuanced view of the 'scandal' | 18:17 |
| LjL | okay so we have today's data even without the press conference in italy | 18:17 |
| LjL | (head of civil protection has a fever, so it was cancelled) | 18:17 |
| LjL | (positivity unknown as of yet) | 18:17 |
| python476 | ubLIX: I can't even even | 18:17 |
| xionbox[m] | Oh shit... had he been staying a meter away from everyone whilst doing the briefings? | 18:18 |
| LjL | so uhm we have the data but i'd have to subtract yesterday's data, since they don't give the deltas... | 18:18 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 69176 cases, 6820 deaths (9.9% of cases), 8326 recoveries as of March 25, 15:58Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:18 |
| LjL | nope, this is still yesterday's | 18:18 |
| bn_mobile | uh, I don't think those stats for GA are correct | 18:18 |
| bn_mobile | LjL | 18:19 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, that's Georgia the country, not GA the US state | 18:19 |
| LjL | %cases ga | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Bulgaria, there are 242 cases, 3 deaths (1.2% of cases), 4 recoveries as of March 25, 15:58Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Bulgaria for time series data. | 18:19 |
| LjL | well, neither is this obviously, sigh | 18:19 |
| LjL | %cases Georgia (US) | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Georgia (US), US, there are 1097 cases, 38 deaths (3.5% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 25, 15:58Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Georgia%20(US) for time series data. | 18:19 |
| LjL | okay this works | 18:19 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: ah, 👍 | 18:20 |
| python476 | https://imgur.com/a/znUut6F | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +5213 cases (now 491399), +683 deaths (now 22425), +1062 recoveries (now 116705) 🔸 Veneto, Italy: +494 cases (now 6442), +42 deaths (now 258), +58 recoveries (now 439) 🔸 Toscana, Italy: +273 cases (now 2972), +13 deaths (now 142), +3 recoveries (now 54) 🔸 Piemonte, Italy: +509 cases (now 6024), +75 deaths (now 449), +2 recoveries (now 19) [... want %more?] | 18:21 |
| LjL | here they are | 18:21 |
| LjL | assuming that's all italy... | 18:21 |
| LjL | it's similar to yesterday's | 18:21 |
| LjL | fewer deaths | 18:21 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 74386 cases, 7503 deaths (10.1% of cases), 9362 recoveries as of March 25, 17:16Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 17:16 UTC: Coronavirus: Thousands volunteer to help NHS with vulnerable: The role of volunteers will be "absolutely crucial" in fighting coronavirus, says Boris Johnson. — from WHO at 17:16: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/9a8krg | 18:23 |
| hirogen | 400.000 | 18:25 |
| Biep[m] | <oxalis "what is matrix.org?"> Matrix.org is just one of maybe a hundred thousand servers. I think some 50.000 are connected to each other in the subnet matrix.org is part of, but there are lots (but uncountable) that are on separate islands. | 18:28 |
| MrBrave | %cases india | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | MrBrave: In all areas, India, there are 606 cases, 10 deaths (1.7% of cases), 42 recoveries as of March 25, 15:58Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Senate finalizing stimulus ahead of vote; Apple, Facebook donate wildfire masks to health workers — from WHO at 17:23: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 18:29 |
| LjL | Today Italy did the most tests since this started. about 27500 tests today, 19% of which positive | 18:30 |
| LjL | new cases count and new deaths look linear, with deaths slowly decreasing | 18:30 |
| oxalis | 😱 | 18:30 |
| Biep[m] | Matrix is a protocol that many servers, including matrix.org, use. Riot is one of some 25 clients to access that network. | 18:30 |
| LjL | Lombardy itself looks not great, but linear too | 18:30 |
| python476 | LjL good to hear | 18:31 |
| LjL | python476, maybe some of us will live on to be able to continue to provide you with decent wine and cheese | 18:31 |
| Biep[m] | Matrix.org is the default server for newcomers, so it is continually expanding and continually overloaded. Better pick another server from [this list](https://pastebin.com/AYhk8sAZ) if you want speed. | 18:31 |
| python476 | i'll promise to take of your ferraris and olivettis | 18:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:29 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Peter Baker su Twitter: "In India, the world's largest lockdown, a threat to shoot those who do not take it seriously while police force evaders to hold signs saying they do not care about society. @suhasiniraj @journalistHari @gettleman @KaiSchultz https://t.co/ntPpFScBCG" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Bvt5xO | 18:36 |
| bury | police force evaders? | 18:37 |
| bury | oh. force the verb. | 18:37 |
| euod[m] | police, force evaders. | 18:37 |
| euod[m] | not police force evaders. | 18:37 |
| rtgyh | Police have guns in India? | 18:37 |
| Scarecr0w | Rifles mostly. 1 bullet and run style. | 18:38 |
| LjL | python476, i have two neat Olivetti typewriters, also an Olivetti M10, one of the earliest notebook computers | 18:39 |
| python476 | LjL classic | 18:39 |
| python476 | I consider olivetti the apple of the 60s | 18:39 |
| LjL | python476, do you like vintage computers | 18:40 |
| python476 | I do | 18:40 |
| python476 | I'm now into sliding rules (slightly joking but somehow serious) | 18:40 |
| LjL | python476, https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljlbox/albums/72157633997037650 | 18:40 |
| python476 | oh, lovely | 18:40 |
| LjL | i am now into Walkmans | 18:40 |
| LjL | so we're parting ways | 18:40 |
| python476 | oh bro, handhelds even | 18:41 |
| rtgyh | How can you get into this old junk | 18:41 |
| balaa[m] | Hope everyone is doing well today. | 18:42 |
| python476 | LjL https://old.reddit.com/r/hpcalc | 18:42 |
| balaa[m] | Anyone else 3d printing medical supplies here? | 18:42 |
| python476 | balaa[m]: not me, but more and more are doing so | 18:42 |
| LjL | python476, yeah i pretty much only do handhelds | 18:42 |
| rtgyh | What kinda stuff could I print3d? | 18:42 |
| python476 | french dude was in tv news, he makes simple plastic face covers | 18:42 |
| python476 | but that helps nurses already | 18:43 |
| LjL | python476, partly reasons of space, but i always salivated after handhelds, starting from the Casio pocket organizers which were the only thing like that available, and then the first time i saw a Psion 5 i definitely, definitely wanted one | 18:43 |
| python476 | LjL: hp48 was my gateway drug | 18:43 |
| LjL | then i saw it was 1400000 lire | 18:43 |
| LjL | and then i thought, urgh, maybe not | 18:43 |
| LjL | that is €700 | 18:43 |
| LjL | but in 1997 | 18:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Senate finalizing stimulus ahead of vote; Apple, Facebook donate wildfire masks to health workers — from WHO at 17:36: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 18:43 |
| python476 | yeah some shit are too pricey | 18:43 |
| LjL | python476, i have an HP48 but it ended up in the collection somewhat accidentally | 18:43 |
| danielp3344 | %data maryland | 18:43 |
| Brainstorm | danielp3344: In Maryland, US, there are 244 cases, 3 deaths (1.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 25, 17:32Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:43 |
| python476 | you have some glorious ones | 18:44 |
| python476 | I'll make a gallery of my tiny museum | 18:44 |
| LjL | python476, they're all way too pricey now on ebay, but the Psion is actually somewhat cheap now, but in general, most of my collection is from 2010-2012, when ebay prices for these things were... very different. look at the Epson HX-20, 1982, first laptop computer arguably, with a printer and a logic-controlled micro tape drive embedded. it was like €30 plus shipping | 18:44 |
| python476 | 3 HP, a sharp, and some funky vintage brand i forgot | 18:44 |
| LjL | and the battery worked and still holds about a month in standby | 18:44 |
| rtgyh | How long does batt last when used normally? | 18:45 |
| python476 | a month | 18:45 |
| python476 | jk | 18:46 |
| python476 | where did you get the epson ? | 18:46 |
| python476 | oh it has an embedded printer #hnng | 18:46 |
| LjL | not a month, but a pretty long time anyway | 18:46 |
| python476 | my only glory is having a grid compass | 18:46 |
| LjL | longer than i can stay awake to test it :P | 18:46 |
| python476 | not a compass, just a grid laptop | 18:46 |
| python476 | 386~ | 18:46 |
| python476 | I missed an actual compass, sad mistake | 18:47 |
| euod[m] | I have a compaq portable 3 somewhere :) | 18:47 |
| euod[m] | easily the most unique looking screen. | 18:47 |
| euod[m] | red plasma on orange. totally unreadable but super cool. | 18:48 |
| python476 | *googles* | 18:48 |
| LjL | python476, hnnng indeed. i just got it on ebay, back when ebay wasn't crazy. also, look at the second picture, that's a Canon X-07, 1985 i believe and sold as a calculator of sorts, so not often considered among early laptops... but in fact, it has a full-blown pretty fast BASIC, and it typically came (and i have it) with a plotter, not a printer. four color pens | 18:48 |
| python476 | euod[m]: oh god | 18:48 |
| python476 | yeah I have a deep fetish for those | 18:48 |
| LjL | python476, it's not embedded, but it have a sleeve where to put both computer and printer. bought that one from France, i think. new old stock, perfect, €60-ish | 18:48 |
| python476 | orange / yellow / red display.. | 18:48 |
| LjL | red on orange O.o | 18:48 |
| LjL | i haven't seen many of those screens. none in my collection. i remember a calculator like that | 18:49 |
| python476 | not 'on' | 18:49 |
| python476 | https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=compaq+portable+3&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FKRxakz8xmLM%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg | 18:49 |
| python476 | euod[m]: these displays were used on grid compass, that's part why I wanted one | 18:49 |
| python476 | forgot compaq used them too | 18:50 |
| euod[m] | python476: my absolute favourite display ever is one I've never been able to find. the US military used bright yellow electroluminescent screens for a short period. they're crazy high resolution, super fast, and basically infinite contrast. | 18:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:44 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Shop shuts Belgian half over Covid-19 but keeps Dutch half open — from WHO at 17:44: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/5Xa0Jf | 18:50 |
| LjL | python476, oh the Grid Compass, that one was expensive and rare all the time | 18:51 |
| python476 | euod[m]: ... mm maybe that's https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.6dXkPexJC8vWNVa9_Ta1nQHaFA%26pid%3DApi&f=1 ? | 18:51 |
| LjL | well, since i fonud out about it, anyway. wasn't one of the first i targeted | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +444 cases (now 491843), +6 deaths (now 22431), +1 recoveries (now 116706) 🔸 Switzerland: +360 cases (now 10897), +4 deaths (now 153) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) [... want %more?] | 18:51 |
| euod[m] | python476: yeah, those. they were in the GRIDCASE versions I think, because they can deal with heat and cold really well. | 18:51 |
| LjL | python476, Grid Compass is also sometimes consider the first... portable blah blah something | 18:51 |
| python476 | LjL: one french dude had a SAGEM rebranded compass on auction, less than 100$, when I decided to buy it was gone | 18:51 |
| python476 | LjL yeah first clamshell design | 18:52 |
| LjL | aw | 18:52 |
| python476 | here it is http://mo5.com/musee-machines-mtp32.html | 18:52 |
| LjL | python476, it looks like the keyboard may be pleasurably clicky to type on | 18:54 |
| python476 | heh most plausibly | 18:55 |
| rtgyh | I should send ljl my old Lenovo x220 | 18:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:53 UTC: (news): PM Boris Johnson says 405,000 volunteers have signed up to help UK cope with coronavirus outbreak — from WHO at 17:53: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/0JMFcU | 18:57 |
| LjL | rtgyh, nah, i have an x230, tablet editio :P | 18:57 |
| LjL | tbf the x220 keyboard is better | 18:57 |
| LjL | but the x230 one is fine too | 18:57 |
| rtgyh | Haha | 18:58 |
| LjL | python476, also if you like the keyboards, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pLxH5j9WcY&list=PLUHYzV0mEx6FMoxcqBdrnirnwbo8MqU8C | 18:58 |
| LjL | oh damn i thought those were speechless | 18:58 |
| LjL | apparently not | 18:58 |
| LjL | couldn't i just clickety clickety on the keyboard | 18:59 |
| euod[m] | the king of thinkpads is the one with the folding keyboard. | 18:59 |
| python476 | rtgyh: I'd buy your x220 | 18:59 |
| LjL | not sure i know that one | 18:59 |
| euod[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_ThinkPad_Butterfly_keyboard | 18:59 |
| python476 | the 700 butterfly | 18:59 |
| rtgyh | The battery won't take a charge anymore | 18:59 |
| python476 | euod[m]: some reddit found one outside recently | 18:59 |
| euod[m] | the keyboard unfolds as you open the lid to be wider than the screen. | 18:59 |
| LjL | oh yeah i've seen it, forgot somehow | 18:59 |
| python476 | we was all "brooo" | 18:59 |
| bury | i'm using an x140e right now. | 19:00 |
| LjL | i bet that butterfly is always like €1000 on ebay | 19:00 |
| metreo | %cases italy | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | metreo: In all areas, Italy, there are 74386 cases, 7503 deaths (10.1% of cases), 9362 recoveries as of March 25, 17:08Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 19:00 |
| LjL | metreo, could be worse, it's somewhat linear | 19:00 |
| metreo | It could always be worse... | 19:01 |
| LjL | i like to see the glass half full | 19:01 |
| LjL | of 60% vodka, these days | 19:01 |
| metreo | Do we suspect delays in mortality reporting from other regions? | 19:01 |
| metreo | I don't drink alcohol | 19:01 |
| LjL | hmm sometimes, but generally nah... when a region isn't reporting, it has happened, but they usually point it out | 19:01 |
| LjL | although there was no press conference today because Borrelli is sick ;( | 19:02 |
| rtgyh | LjL do you see signs of it plateau'ing ? | 19:02 |
| LjL | maaaaybe | 19:02 |
| metreo | In that case overall mortality is 3% | 19:02 |
| euod[m] | %cases malta | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | euod[m]: In all areas, Malta, there are 129 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 2 recoveries as of March 25, 17:08Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malta for time series data. | 19:02 |
| LjL | metreo, how do you figure that? | 19:02 |
| metreo | This is essentially a well tracked common cold | 19:02 |
| metreo | If we look at Italy the numbers seem bad but globally the mortality rate is low | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy tally pushes global deaths to 20,000, Cuomo says stimulus not enough — from WHO at 17:54: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 19:03 |
| LjL | metreo, are you serious? | 19:03 |
| bin_bash | can't have covid cases if youre not testing people | 19:03 |
| LjL | billions of people are under lockdown... for a cold? | 19:04 |
| LjL | people still believe that? | 19:04 |
| bury | i'm super thankful for that well researched assessment, metreo. | 19:04 |
| LjL | i'm baffled | 19:04 |
| rtgyh | Metreo never before have we seen a virus put so many ppl in the ICU and overwhelm the medical systems of multiple countries like this | 19:04 |
| euod[m] | er | 19:04 |
| AimHere | This crisis is bringing out a whole bunch of innumerate sociopaths | 19:04 |
| LjL | and it doesn't "plateau" unless you lock down... and it's not even clear yet that it *does*, except in China | 19:04 |
| gildarts | Our next door neighbor works at a hospital and says that this looks way worse than flu just from her experience. | 19:05 |
| euod[m] | it's not anything similar to a common cold. | 19:05 |
| rtgyh | LjL the maths says that it must. We know ppl become immune to this and eventually it has to plateau. It's just maths | 19:05 |
| euod[m] | LjL: rabid trump supporters do. remember, according to their leader, he's looking forward to a packed easter sunday service in 2 weeks time. | 19:06 |
| AimHere | rtgyh, well sure. We could give everybody the disease and let millions die of plague. That is the sociopathic option | 19:06 |
| LjL | rtgyh, well, sure, after it has hit a majority of people | 19:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +492 cases (now 492335), +22 deaths (now 22453) 🔸 US: +428 cases (now 61081), +22 deaths (now 841) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Bahrain: +1 deaths (now 4) [... want %more?] | 19:06 |
| gildarts | He said he would like to be back to normal by Easter, not that we definitely would be. | 19:06 |
| LjL | rtgyh, but if it does that, then it has also likely killed a certain percentage of *the majority of people*, let's say 3% right now since that's what metreo is going with | 19:07 |
| rtgyh | The Oxford report says that half the population of the UK has been exposed to this virus already | 19:07 |
| LjL | what is 3% of 70% of 8 billion? | 19:07 |
| AimHere | rtgyh, what's the Oxford report? | 19:07 |
| LjL | and it could be more, if like in italy, the system gets too overwhelmed and they can't save most critical cases and it ends up at 10% | 19:07 |
| euod[m] | >You’ll have packed churches all over our country. I think it would be a beautiful time, and it’s just about the timeline that I think is right. I’m not sure that’s going to be the date, but I would like to aim it right at Easter Sunday. | 19:07 |
| rtgyh | https://news.yahoo.com/oxford-study-suggests-millions-people-221100162.html | 19:07 |
| AimHere | rtgyh, it does seem highly unlikely, since Britain's death rate is still well behind the curve of Italy | 19:08 |
| euod[m] | that's less a whimsical desire and more a premonition. | 19:08 |
| LjL | rtgyh, that concept seems nonsensical to me. i've seen that report, but if *tested* people (and note that *tested* people are usually people who have symptoms, because we cannot afford to test just anyone) have around 20% positives... | 19:08 |
| LjL | how the hell can the general population have MORE than that 20%?! | 19:08 |
| rtgyh | Can you elaborate | 19:09 |
| bin_bash | LjL: because theyre including people that havent been tested | 19:09 |
| LjL | on what? you take a sample that you know is biased towards having *more* positives than the general population | 19:09 |
| rtgyh | I am confused. The Oxford report smells fishy to me but I don't get your argument | 19:09 |
| bin_bash | (unless we're talking about something else0 | 19:09 |
| LjL | so 20% is an upper boundary to what you'll find in the general population | 19:09 |
| bin_bash | ) | 19:09 |
| swedebugia | Does anyone here help updating Wikidata related to covid-19? | 19:09 |
| LjL | it can't be more than 20%, it can be much less than 20% if you test a random sample | 19:09 |
| bin_bash | Because not everyone shows severe symptoms LjL | 19:09 |
| kreyren | There is a patient in czech who was in the first group of confirmed covid-19 cases where he's around 30 and apparently he cured himself, but got the covid-19 again shortly after.. any idea what might have caused this? | 19:10 |
| bin_bash | it can absolutely be more than 20% IF a truly random sample were tested | 19:10 |
| bin_bash | kreyren: he didn't get cured in the first place | 19:10 |
| AimHere | rtgyh, the trouble with using the Oxford report to say 'the rate of hospitalization is likely very low' is that the first sentence in the Results page of the report you're talking about states "Our overall report rests on the assumption that only a very small proportion of the population is at risk of hospitalizable illness" | 19:10 |
| LjL | bin_bash, okay i'll say again. you test people. they are people with symptoms. so they are MORE likely to have covid. you find that 20% of them do have covid. and then you claim... in the general population, instead of 20% positives, you'd find 50% or more positives? | 19:10 |
| LjL | that makes no sense | 19:10 |
| kreyren | bin_bash, he had tests on it last friday which came up as negative and two days after he was positive again | 19:10 |
| AimHere | rtgyh, it says 'what if almost nobody gets ill from this disease' then suggests that a huge proportion of the population has it | 19:11 |
| swedebugia | LjL, I agree, makes no sense | 19:11 |
| AimHere | You can't then go from 'A huge proportion of the population might have it according to this report' to 'Therefore it's a low-risk disease' | 19:11 |
| swedebugia | kreyren, interesting. Who was this? Link? | 19:11 |
| kreyren | swedebugia, trying to find it now, it was in TV 5 mins ago | 19:12 |
| bin_bash | LjL: you're misunderstanding and using selection bias in your thinking. The argument is that the majority of people likely don't have symptoms at all, or don't have serious symptoms, so actually it's more likely that the people who are being tested are actually not more likely to be positive because there are OTHER viral respiratory infections that cause similar symptoms. If people without symptoms are not | 19:12 |
| bin_bash | being tested, the majority of infected people are not being tested | 19:12 |
| LjL | bin_bash, well, that seems like a stretch to me. but also, the Oxford paper makes assumptions such that 1% or even just 0.1% are "at high risk", and that determines their model. but that figure makes no sense for Italy's population for example. none at all. | 19:13 |
| bin_bash | Another issue is the incubation time. Some numbers out of China said as long as 21 days, but that was possibly due to more localized community spread. It's not entirely clear exactly how long the incubation time is | 19:13 |
| LjL | https://www.dropbox.com/s/oxmu2rwsnhi9j9c/Draft-COVID-19-Model%20%2813%29.pdf?dl=0 used to have comments on the sidebar, now i don't see them | 19:13 |
| LjL | there have been more than one study about incubation time... i thought it was pretty much established, at least, that on average it's somewhere in between 4 days and a week, even though much longer incubation times have been reported | 19:14 |
| LjL | anyway do y'all see comments in the right sidebar at https://www.dropbox.com/s/oxmu2rwsnhi9j9c/Draft-COVID-19-Model%20%2813%29.pdf?dl=0 ? | 19:14 |
| kreyren | swedebugia, i am unable to find any info, patient is from Decin, Czech republic and he was skiing in italy and is considered the first infected in czech republic | 19:15 |
| swedebugia | kreyren, ok, thanks. | 19:15 |
| kreyren | swedebugia, relevant (he was one of those three) https://www.praguemorning.cz/czechs-first-three-recovered-coronavirus-patients/ | 19:15 |
| bin_bash | comments are disabled LjL | 19:15 |
| LjL | AimHere, right, the *assumption* of the Oxford report seems to be pretty much its own conclusion to me. i was confused. | 19:15 |
| LjL | bin_bash, oh... well they were enabled yesterday, and there were a few with criticism | 19:16 |
| LjL | i guess maybe they didn't like criticism? ;P | 19:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:11 UTC: (news): PM Boris Johnson says 405,000 volunteers have signed up to help UK cope with coronavirus outbreak — from WHO at 18:11: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/0JMFcU | 19:16 |
| bin_bash | they didn't want random idiots commenting probably | 19:16 |
| bin_bash | better to publish in an actual peer-review but i dont know if they did that | 19:17 |
| kreyren | swedebugia, also relevant https://www.radio.cz/en/section/news/first-three-cases-of-coronavirus-infection-reported-in-czech-republic he's 34 years old and was admitted in Hospital naBulovce in prague from Usti nad labem | 19:17 |
| LjL | bin_bash, the comments didn't seem random or idiotic to me | 19:17 |
| gildarts | yuriwho: Read this and thought of you. https://xkcd.com/2281/ | 19:17 |
| LjL | yuriwho, well since you're being highlighted, what do you think of that Oxford paper and its now-invisible critical comments? | 19:18 |
| bin_bash | LjL: idk i didnt see them, but that's usually why comments get disabled. that or spam | 19:18 |
| bin_bash | LjL: or like you said, they dont want criticism :D | 19:19 |
| bin_bash | could be why they put it on dropbox and not the lancet | 19:19 |
| gildarts | Several of the recent XKCDs are coronavirus related and good. | 19:19 |
| LjL | bin_bash, well i guess maybe there were more idiotic comments *after* i viewed it | 19:19 |
| bin_bash | yeah could go either way | 19:20 |
| ubLIX | gildarts: lol | 19:20 |
| yuriwho | heh | 19:20 |
| LjL | bin_bash, anyway i understand your objection to my selection bias idea being the other way around, but i find it unlikely. maybe Iceland can randomly sample their population another couple times and see what happens. | 19:20 |
| LjL | but infect them all first | 19:20 |
| LjL | we don't want a basically-unexposed population | 19:20 |
| yuriwho | I'm not familiar with the invisible critical comments, can you link me the paper in question? | 19:20 |
| LjL | yuriwho, https://www.dropbox.com/s/oxmu2rwsnhi9j9c/Draft-COVID-19-Model%20%2813%29.pdf?dl=0 | 19:21 |
| LjL | yuriwho, the comments used to be (until yesterday) on the right sidebar, which is now empy | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1936 cases (now 494271), +29 deaths (now 22482), +36 recoveries (now 116742) 🔸 Germany: +1358 cases (now 37098), +19 deaths (now 205), +7 recoveries (now 3547) 🔸 Canada: +498 cases (now 3290), +4 deaths (now 30), +73 recoveries (now 185) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) [... want %more?] | 19:21 |
| Raf[m] | %data Massachusetts | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | Raf[m]: In Massachusetts, US, there are 646 cases, 5 deaths (0.8% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 25, 18:17Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 19:21 |
| gildarts | Yeah, it says comments are disabled currently. | 19:22 |
| bin_bash | LjL: looking at this pdf i was mistaken about what you guys were referring to, i thought it was about the overall infection rate being more than 20% of the whole population including asymptomatic people | 19:22 |
| LjL | yuriwho, they argue that more than 50% of UK population has already been exposed without realizing. i say, if in Italy, we're only testing people who're like about to die, and we "only" have 20% positives... how could we have >50% in the general population? also, their admitted assumption looks like it's pretty much as their own conclusion to me. and 1% or 0.1% "high risk" people seems like very much underestimated | 19:22 |
| gildarts | Well, you could easily have 20% of the population expose 50%. | 19:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:17 UTC: /u/slakmehl: ABC News Politics su Twitter: "BREAKING: The novel coronavirus pandemic has now killed more than 20,000 people around the world. https://t.co/MWGj0Xm5QS" — from WHO at 18:17: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/iRKSUk | 19:23 |
| LjL | bin_bash, well... it is? their highest estimate is 68% already exposed, lowest i think 36% | 19:23 |
| LjL | both are higher than what i've ever seen a round of testing to report | 19:23 |
| yuriwho | 50% is total BS IMO, and you need 70% with antibodies for herd immunity for a virus with this Ro | 19:23 |
| LjL | "Whentheproportionofthepopulationatriskisaround0.1%,thestartoftransmissionislikelytohaveoccurred17dayspriortofirstcasedetectionand38daysbeforethefirstconfirmeddeathwith80%alreadyinfectedby06/03/2020." | 19:24 |
| LjL | uhm, nice spacing from the PDF | 19:24 |
| gildarts | LjL: I think you are conflating exposed and infected/testing positive? | 19:24 |
| LjL | gildarts, by "exposed" i believe they do mean people who would test positive if they were tested at all (but simply weren't) | 19:24 |
| yuriwho | I would guess we have identified ~10-15% of cases thus far in western countries | 19:24 |
| LjL | correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the general assumption is that no one has any immunity to this | 19:25 |
| LjL | (except those who have been infected already) | 19:25 |
| AimHere | UK is super-selective about testing, yet in Scotland, yesterday, only 5% of people tested were positive | 19:25 |
| yuriwho | correct | 19:25 |
| AimHere | This study does look at odds with the test ratio | 19:25 |
| LjL | AimHere, right, i really cannot see how you can have 68% of the general population infected. there'd have to be *a hell of a lot* "inverse" selection bias | 19:25 |
| gildarts | LjL: Makes sense, haven't read the paper. Was mostly commenting based on the words used and common meaning. | 19:26 |
| LjL | bin_bash's argument is subtle, i'll admit that. but how can you go from 5% to 68% because "whoops, i only tested people who were feeling bad... those who are feeling good are actually the infected ones" | 19:26 |
| AimHere | It's a super-benign feelgood virus that goes wrong sometimes? | 19:26 |
| bin_bash | LjL: because the majority do not have symptoms that require hospitalization or even feel worse than a cold or an upset stomach | 19:27 |
| yuriwho | LjL: total pop * .5 * .1 = number who should have sought medical attention for 50% infection | 19:27 |
| AimHere | It wouldn't be a bad survival strategy for a virus! | 19:27 |
| LjL | AimHere, well that seems like what the paper tries to show. but it has to *show* it by not using it as its own assumption | 19:27 |
| ranaassad337[m] | In pakistan about 1000 + cases has been registerd .and deaths also 😭😭😭. https://www.newsup4u.com/2020/03/deaths-record-of-covid-19-in-pakistan.html | 19:27 |
| AimHere | bin_bash, the point is that those being tested would be a sample skewed in favour of the symptomatic, and therefore infected | 19:27 |
| bin_bash | no, i disagree. | 19:28 |
| AimHere | So, if anything, they should be higher than that of the general population. | 19:28 |
| LjL | yuriwho, sorry in this case .5 and .1 are what? | 19:28 |
| yuriwho | if that were true, the UK should have ~3M people in hospitals | 19:28 |
| LjL | AimHere, read above, i believe bin_bash gave a decent argument as to why it may be skewed the *other* way around | 19:28 |
| LjL | decent in terms of "it is logically possible" | 19:29 |
| yuriwho | .5 = 50% of people infected, 0.1 = 10% need hospital care | 19:29 |
| LjL | but i don't think it is very plausible | 19:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy tally pushes global deaths to 20,000, Cuomo says stimulus not enough — from WHO at 18:26: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 19:29 |
| LjL | yuriwho, well... but one of the underlying ideas of this paper is that our assumption that 10% typically are bad enough to seek medical care is based on biased sampling, and in fact many more positives than 90% never seek medical care because they're asymptomatic or nearly so | 19:30 |
| LjL | yuriwho, i just don't think they are actually showing that to be the case | 19:30 |
| yuriwho | I have not read the full text of the Oxford paper | 19:30 |
| LjL | yuriwho, well read at least the initial assumptions, which are repeated at "Results" too | 19:30 |
| yuriwho | and I need to prepare for my own grant proposal | 19:31 |
| metreo | there are no shortage of questionable "research" being pushed onto arxiv lately, more than the usual actually | 19:31 |
| Justin[m] | That argument seems to require that people with other respiratory diseases are less likely to have COVID19 | 19:33 |
| LjL | metreo, the thing is this barely-published paper has already made headlines on Financial Times and Yahoo (and probably many more, i checked these two) | 19:33 |
| yuriwho | I do not accept their base assumptions but I am not an epidemiologist | 19:33 |
| LjL | and so people who already believed "most people" have already been infected and this is "little more than a cold" will love that paper :P | 19:33 |
| AimHere | I'm led to believe that having one virus makes you more susceptible to others, but that's just a 'I heard it on the internet from a medical professional' thing | 19:33 |
| LjL | yuriwho, indeed, the base assumptions seem to me like... what? also, the same as what they're trying to prove | 19:33 |
| Sebastien | why is there a room like this on every networks... | 19:34 |
| yuriwho | Scientists are often guilty of creating models that fit their personal biases | 19:34 |
| LjL | Sebastien, why do you think? | 19:34 |
| Sebastien | it's also filled up with bots. lol. | 19:34 |
| LjL | Sebastien, and why do you think *that*? | 19:34 |
| LjL | i see two bots, out of 439 people | 19:35 |
| Sebastien | [m] | 19:35 |
| Sebastien | i know where that's from | 19:35 |
| LjL | those are not bots. those are matrix users. | 19:35 |
| Sebastien | so so dumb, sorry. if you need IRC to know how to wash your hands, and why it's dumb to buy 400 rolls of TP... please go back on myspace.com | 19:35 |
| LjL | many of them are active. | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus is 'Public Enemy Number 1': WHO chief warns final death toll depends on future actions — from WHO at 18:31: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/rp9XXP | 19:35 |
| AimHere | This Oxford study does look like it needs some peer review | 19:35 |
| LjL | he likely won't come back, but just in case he does. | 19:35 |
| yuriwho | I see an enlightened genius had graced us | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +6606 cases (now 500877), +481 deaths (now 22963), +1238 recoveries (now 117980) 🔸 Florida, US: +205 cases (now 1672) 🔸 US: +727 cases (now 61808), +18 deaths (now 859) 🔸 France: +2929 cases (now 25233), +231 deaths (now 1331), +619 recoveries (now 3900) [... want %more?] | 19:36 |
| LjL | yuriwho, he'll probably get busy writing a model where by assuming all COVID-19 patients are bots, the actual prevalence is 0% | 19:37 |
| Biep[m] | <LjL "python476, https://www.flickr.co"> I wish I could find an old, working Psion - the one with the real keyboard. | 19:37 |
| LjL | Biep[m], err, which one? Psion 5 and Psion 5mx look much more like a "real" keyboard than the older 3, 3a and 3c and 3mx, which look more like organizers | 19:37 |
| LjL | still tiny, but quite usable | 19:38 |
| LjL | :P | 19:39 |
| Biep[m] | I forgot the name, but I thought it was a fancy name. They were keys like in the true computer keyboards of the day - high, of whitish grey hard plastic. | 19:39 |
| LjL | Biep[m], oh wait, do you mean the laptop? | 19:39 |
| LjL | i have that, MC400 | 19:39 |
| yuriwho | folks are largely obeying the lockdown here, there no traffic congestion anywhere | 19:39 |
| Biep[m] | No - it would fit in a pocket. | 19:40 |
| Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 1872 cases, 44 deaths (2.4% of cases), 26 recoveries as of March 25, 18:15Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 19:40 |
| Biep[m] | I am waiting till it pleases Riot to upload the image. | 19:41 |
| LjL | Biep[m], okay then the 5/5mx | 19:41 |
| python476 | yuriwho: news say oil company dont have empty storage anymore | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://imgur.com/ip8WxIr | 19:41 |
| LjL | which in my case is called an Ericsson MC218 because i don't actually have a 5mx | 19:41 |
| LjL | but it's the same, just rebranded and with tiny software differences | 19:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus is 'Public Enemy No 1': WHO chief warns final death toll depends on future actions — from WHO at 18:39: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/rp9XXP | 19:41 |
| LjL | Biep[m], oh that one is a Revo | 19:41 |
| LjL | but the Revo's keyboard only *looks* good | 19:41 |
| LjL | it's pretty awful to type on | 19:42 |
| LjL | 5/5mx is *much* better | 19:42 |
| yuriwho | python476: they will move to floating storage | 19:42 |
| python476 | good old oil spill ? | 19:42 |
| yuriwho | easy targets | 19:42 |
| Biep[m] | OK - still a month on a set of batteries? | 19:42 |
| Biep[m] | But gtg.. | 19:42 |
| LjL | Biep[m], depending on how much you use it... it's about 8 hours on a set of two rechargeable AAs | 19:43 |
| LjL | Biep[m], but the Revo doesn't even take AA batteries, it has its own internal nickel cells | 19:43 |
| LjL | which are usually dead when you buy them now | 19:43 |
| LjL | so you have to open it, which typically damages the logo, and replace the battery pack with a couple of eneloops enveloped in scotch tape | 19:43 |
| LjL | soldering may or may not be required | 19:44 |
| LjL | anyway, a whole hassle for something much less powerful than a good 5mx | 19:44 |
| LjL | Biep[m], this is what a 5mx looks like (except rebranded) https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljlbox/9151527162/in/album-72157634483190421/ | 19:44 |
| LjL | Biep[m], if you want an *even better* keboard than that on a Psion, then https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljlbox/9151638824/in/album-72157634483190421/ but that is a wholly different beast, much larger | 19:45 |
| LjL | the Netbook or the series 7 | 19:45 |
| LjL | that's pretty much a laptop keyboard | 19:45 |
| LjL | but then, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF4NkiC7s_0&list=PLUHYzV0mEx6FMoxcqBdrnirnwbo8MqU8C&index=3 is a Psion, and has a *mechanical* keyboard. a whole lot larger and heavier again (and older)... | 19:46 |
| LjL | that keyboard feels pretty awesome | 19:46 |
| LjL | but you can't really use it for anything useful these days | 19:47 |
| Albright | You enter the nuclear launch codes into something like that to start WWIII in an '80s action movie | 19:47 |
| LjL | :) | 19:47 |
| LjL | it was a very advanced laptop at the time, arguably the first with a touchpad | 19:47 |
| LjL | i always say "arguably" because there was something else that was almost a touchpad but not quite | 19:47 |
| tinwhiskers | Damn John Hopkins dropping all state data for the US. I'm going to start maintaining my own time-series data because theirs cusks too badly and I'm in the process of adding in new data sources for the US states but it will take a while as I need to do a bit of a redesign in the collection system | 19:47 |
| LjL | in mine, the touchpad is half broken though :( and it wasn't a very good touchpad tbf | 19:48 |
| tinwhiskers | err, sucks | 19:48 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: check the api | 19:48 |
| mefistofeles | should be in the resources | 19:48 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, ridiculous, removing the states | 19:48 |
| Albright | I found a TRS-80 Model 100 in a thrift store once. It looked pretty cool, but I couldn't get it working. Ended up eBaying it for parts. | 19:48 |
| tinwhiskers | mefistofeles: sorry, which api? | 19:48 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: https://covid19api.com/ | 19:48 |
| LjL | Albright, it is ultimately the same as my Olivetti M10. that, and another couple of computers, were all produced based on a Kyocera design | 19:48 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. neat | 19:48 |
| python476 | tinwhiskers: are there alternate state feeds ? | 19:49 |
| tinwhiskers | mefistofeles: that's JH data as well. JH are no longer reporting state-level data | 19:49 |
| LjL | but they say the data is sourced from... the thing that only updates one a day | 19:49 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, would you add sub-national data for other countries if i figured out where to get json for them? | 19:49 |
| tinwhiskers | python476: I have one but others would be good for resiliency if anyone can find any | 19:49 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: maybe :-) | 19:50 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: let's get the time-series data fixed then talk about that | 19:50 |
| LjL | okay | 19:50 |
| python476 | https://wattsupwiththat.com/daily-coronavirus-covid-19-data-graph-page/ | 19:50 |
| LjL | i suspect JHU will eventually add US state data back | 19:51 |
| LjL | it's just way too dumb to remove them, they'll get tons of complaints | 19:51 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +897 cases (now 501774), +21 deaths (now 22984) 🔸 US: +696 cases (now 62504), +21 deaths (now 880) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Bahrain: +1 deaths (now 4) [... want %more?] | 19:51 |
| tinwhiskers | python476: that's also JH data | 19:51 |
| tinwhiskers | Note it isn't updated since 23rd | 19:52 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i know where to get official data for Virginia. now there's only another 49 left | 19:52 |
| pwr22 | !cases bristol | 19:52 |
| pwr22 | <tinwhiskers "LjL: maybe :-)"> I have CSV data for UK areas from public health England | 19:52 |
| CovBot | In Bristol, City of, United Kingdom there have been a total of 37 cases as of 2020-03-25 18:52:17 UTC. | 19:52 |
| pwr22 | Etc | 19:52 |
| tinwhiskers | I want to avoid collecting all the individual state data | 19:52 |
| LjL | pwr22, that's probably something tinwhiskers will want to add, especially if i cattleprod him | 19:52 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yeah i was joking | 19:52 |
| tinwhiskers | pwr22: yes, I do want to add that one | 19:52 |
| Raf[m] | If you're looking for COVID state data, I have been using this: https://covidtracking.com/ it seems to be one of the most reliable sources, they even have a grade system for each state depending on the veracity of the reporting | 19:52 |
| tinwhiskers | pwr22: I'll come back to you on that too | 19:53 |
| pwr22 | 👍 | 19:53 |
| LjL | roh those look up to date Raf[m] | 19:53 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, they are probably not JHU those, they are dated 25 | 19:53 |
| tinwhiskers | Raf[m]: very nice. thanks | 19:53 |
| pwr22 | Nice | 19:53 |
| tinwhiskers | Shame their api page gives an error | 19:55 |
| Raf[m] | interesting, I was using thei REST API earlier | 19:55 |
| python476 | come on, can someone fork a blockchain ledger to have redundant distributed counts ? | 19:55 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. ok. I'll see if I can use their spreadsheet | 19:56 |
| Raf[m] | what error are you seeing on the api page? It seems to still be working for me | 19:56 |
| Raf[m] | the webservice is working and it's reporting JSON | 19:56 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, it's working now :-/ | 19:56 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i know of https://covidtracking.com/data/ also which i think is not sourced from JHU, however i don't think they provide data except by scrapey scrapey | 19:56 |
| tinwhiskers | that's fantastic Raf[m] | 19:57 |
| LjL | err, wrong URL obviously | 19:57 |
| LjL | i mean https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en | 19:57 |
| tinwhiskers | Thanks LjL. That looks great too. These will keep me busy. | 19:58 |
| Raf[m] | what is the data source of this channel's bot? | 19:58 |
| tinwhiskers | it was JHU | 19:58 |
| LjL | Raf[m], whatever tinwhiskers provides | 19:58 |
| tinwhiskers | and others | 19:58 |
| Raf[m] | gotcha | 19:58 |
| LjL | i run the bot, but i just get the data straight from him | 19:58 |
| LjL | offloop.net/covid19 | 19:58 |
| LjL | i think i'm going to add a sanity check for when JHU randomly goes like +100000 in a day | 20:00 |
| LjL | which has happened, and confused people | 20:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Our COVID links* at 18:55 UTC: ljl-covid: Add covidtracking.com, best for US — from WHO at 18:55: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/1G4br4 | 20:00 |
| tinwhiskers | I will probably stop collecting data from JHU and maintain my own time series | 20:00 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: that's a lot of work, but sure, best option | 20:01 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: https://covidtracking.com/api/ that one has an API, in case you missed it (sorry, if it was already noted) | 20:03 |
| LjL | it was :P | 20:04 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: sorry, bit in and out, working on my own stuff | 20:05 |
| LjL | well it's undoubtedly a good one | 20:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +384 cases (now 502158), +5 deaths (now 22989), +7 recoveries (now 117987) 🔸 US: +273 cases (now 62777), +3 deaths (now 883), +5 recoveries (now 392) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) [... want %more?] | 20:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:02 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy tally pushes global deaths to 20,000, Cuomo says stimulus not enough — from WHO at 19:02: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 20:07 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: seems pretty good, indeed | 20:07 |
| LjL | i added it to the resources page too (Brainstorm showed the commit) | 20:07 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: yes, that was pretty neat!! Brainstorm showing it | 20:10 |
| LjL | %title https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51915302 | 20:11 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.bbc.com: Coronavirus: UK changes course amid death toll fears - BBC News | 20:11 |
| LjL | it has a telling graph | 20:12 |
| polaris | %data Spain | 20:12 |
| Brainstorm | polaris: In all areas, Spain, there are 47610 cases, 3434 deaths (7.2% of cases), 5367 recoveries as of March 25, 18:15Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 20:12 |
| LjL | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Oo2wLSJe/25Mar-NHS.png | 20:13 |
| LjL | compared to BBC's graph | 20:13 |
| yn | %data ohio | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | yn: In Ohio, US, there are 355 cases, 3 deaths (0.8% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 25, 19:03Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 20:13 |
| yn | that's out of date | 20:13 |
| yn | we're at 704 cases, https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/ | 20:13 |
| LjL | yn, yes, JHU has stopped providing state-level data, which is... unfortunate, but tinwhiskers is working on integrating from other sources instead | 20:15 |
| LjL | we should have current data again soonish | 20:15 |
| tinwhiskers | ish | 20:15 |
| python476 | night yall | 20:15 |
| LjL | python476, night? it's 8pm | 20:16 |
| python476 | LjL: head crashing | 20:16 |
| LjL | python476, dream of handhelds | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Record-breaking jobless claims ahead, US counties where cases are booming — from WHO at 19:12: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/zkEljD | 20:19 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +366 cases (now 502524), +3 deaths (now 22992) 🔸 Germany: +225 cases (now 37323), +1 deaths (now 206) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Bahrain: +1 deaths (now 4) [... want %more?] | 20:21 |
| yn | LjL: ah, gotcha | 20:25 |
| Jigsy | Ouch. | 20:25 |
| Jigsy | Passed 500,000... | 20:25 |
| LjL | %title https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/london-woman-36-dies-of-suspected-covid-19-after-being-told-she-is-not-priority | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.theguardian.com: London woman dies of suspected Covid-19 after being told she was 'not priority' | World news | The Guardian | 20:28 |
| slash_ | 500k? but why are most sources still around 460k? | 20:28 |
| chuckd[m] | <slash_ "500k? but why are most sources s"> not updated probably | 20:30 |
| pwr22 | Because they're slow I guess :P? | 20:30 |
| pwr22 | Or tinwhiskers is feeling pessimistic 😁 | 20:30 |
| slash_ | maybe, but I cannot find any source that is much above 460k... | 20:30 |
| AimHere | Yeah, hard to see where that's coming from. Worldometers has bigger individual country tallies, yet is still ~460k | 20:33 |
| pwr22 | tinwhiskers: any clue where the extra 40k are coming from? | 20:33 |
| AimHere | %more | 20:33 |
| Brainstorm | AimHere, [...] 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +5 cases (now 173) 🔹 Brazil: +26 cases (now 2297), +1 deaths (now 48) 🔹 Bulgaria: +22 cases (now 242) 🔹 Cambodia: +3 cases (now 96), +4 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Cameroon: +5 cases (now 75) 🔹 Colombia: +92 cases (now 470), +1 deaths (now 4), +2 recoveries (now 8) 🔹 Costa Rica: +24 cases (now 201) [...] → https://paste.ee/p/zTfC4 | 20:33 |
| tinwhiskers | checking | 20:34 |
| pwr22 | * ☹︎ | 20:34 |
| pwr22 | <Brainstorm "LjL: From www.theguardian.com: L"> Terrible 🙂 | 20:34 |
| tinwhiskers | %cases world | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +349 cases (now 502873), +15 deaths (now 23007), +16 recoveries (now 118003) 🔸 US: +246 cases (now 63098), +1 deaths (now 886), +1 recoveries (now 393) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) [... want %more?] | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, World, there are 502873 cases, 23007 deaths (4.6% of cases), 118003 recoveries as of March 25, 19:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 20:35 |
| AimHere | Could you be doublecounting the daily tally? | 20:35 |
| AimHere | That's about 40k | 20:35 |
| slash_ | I've seen US being counted incorrectly on worldometers several times, they report a number, then retract it, then report another number | 20:36 |
| AimHere | Likewise, daily deaths is about 2k, and your deaths figure is about 2k bigger than worldometers | 20:36 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, I'm investigating | 20:36 |
| slash_ | US number from the bot are consistent with other sources atm though | 20:37 |
| AimHere | Yeah, The country tallies look more or less right | 20:37 |
| slash_ | %cases netherlands | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | slash_: In all areas, Netherlands, there are 6412 cases, 356 deaths (5.6% of cases), 3 recoveries as of March 25, 19:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands for time series data. | 20:37 |
| slash_ | netherlands is correct as well | 20:38 |
| LjL | pwr22, of course https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/fosxdr/london_woman_36_dies_of_suspected_covid19_after/ has a lot of discussion on whether she tragically died but the paramedics acted correctly or not | 20:39 |
| AimHere | If you look at the graphs on offloop, it does look like today's daily non-authoratative figure is the culprit | 20:39 |
| LjL | pwr22, personally i'd say if you have chest pain, vomiting and shortness of breath, and you report a fever (even if you don't have it at that time), not taking you to a hospital is, well... at minimum, something we should only see in these COVID times, and even then. | 20:39 |
| AimHere | Under ordinary circumstances, chest pains on their own warrants hospitalization | 20:40 |
| LjL | i already got downvoted just for this https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/fosxdr/london_woman_36_dies_of_suspected_covid19_after/flhl1ku/ | 20:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:32 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global death toll passes 20,000, as Spain overtakes China as second worst-hit country — from WHO at 19:32: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +63772 cases (now 566645), +890 deaths (now 23897), +393 recoveries (now 118396) 🔸 US: +330 cases (now 63428), +3 deaths (now 889) 🔸 US: +330 cases (now 63428), +3 deaths (now 889) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) [... want %more?] | 20:46 |
| AimHere | Whoa, virus contamination intensifies | 20:47 |
| fltrz | how does this channel compare to #coronavirus? | 20:47 |
| ubLIX | like peas in a pod | 20:47 |
| AimHere | %more | 20:47 |
| Brainstorm | AimHere, [...] 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Bahrain: +1 deaths (now 4) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +5 cases (now 173) 🔹 Brazil: +26 cases (now 2297), +1 deaths (now 48) 🔹 Bulgaria: +22 cases (now 242) 🔹 Cambodia: +3 cases (now 96), +4 recoveries (now 10) 🔹 Cameroon: +5 cases (now 75) [...] → https://paste.ee/p/TqUxF | 20:47 |
| AimHere | That looks like you're doublecounting today's figures *and* doublecounting the USA | 20:49 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 US: +679 cases (now 64107), +4 deaths (now 893) 🔸 Ireland: +235 cases (now 1564), +2 deaths (now 9) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Bahrain: +1 deaths (now 4) [... want %more?] | 20:51 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah, that looks better | 20:55 |
| tinwhiskers | F'in JH arcGIS was causing the problem | 20:55 |
| tinwhiskers | %data world | 20:56 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, World, there are 462054 cases, 20854 deaths (4.5% of cases), 113805 recoveries as of March 25, 19:53Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 20:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 19:51 UTC: Coronavirus: Thousands volunteer to help NHS with vulnerable: The role of volunteers will be "absolutely crucial" in fighting coronavirus, says Boris Johnson. — from WHO at 19:51: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/9a8krg | 20:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:53 UTC: (news): WHO officials praise US leaders on pandemic response: Trump is doing 'all he can' — from WHO at 19:53: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/MGyUVy | 21:03 |
| metreo | !cases world | 21:03 |
| CovBot | In World there have been a total of 462,098 cases as of 2020-03-25 19:57:00 UTC. Of these 327,436 (70.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 113,808 (24.6%) have definitely recovered and 20,854 (4.5%) have died. | 21:04 |
| pwr22 | <tinwhiskers "F'in JH arcGIS was causing the p"> They returning numbers too high? | 21:06 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +239 cases (now 504377), +8 deaths (now 23024), +3 recoveries (now 118006) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Bahrain: +1 deaths (now 4) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +5 cases (now 173) [... want %more?] | 21:06 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: anything remarkable said in the Italian press conference today? | 21:12 |
| Albright | Idaho governor has issued 21-day stay-at-home order. | 21:12 |
| Albright | We all fascists now. | 21:12 |
| mefistofeles | :/ | 21:12 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, crap. I forgot to copy from dev to prod again. Stats have reverted... | 21:12 |
| AimHere | The bots are fearmongering | 21:13 |
| mefistofeles | all praise the git gods | 21:13 |
| tinwhiskers | %cases world | 21:13 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 US: +456 cases (now 64563), +15 deaths (now 908) 🔹 Afghanistan: +5 cases (now 84) 🔹 Algeria: +38 cases (now 302), +2 deaths (now 21) 🔹 Argentina: +2 deaths (now 8) 🔹 Austria: +72 cases (now 5588) 🔹 Azerbaijan: +6 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 2) 🔹 Bahrain: +1 deaths (now 4) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +5 cases (now 173) [... want %more?] | 21:13 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, World, there are 462548 cases, 20869 deaths (4.5% of cases), 113808 recoveries as of March 25, 20:09Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 21:13 |
| Albright | Anyone know ASL? I wanna know if this guy next to the governor is just making spastic hand movements. | 21:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:13 UTC: WHO officials praise US leaders on coronavirus pandemic response: Trump is doing 'all he can': WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus singled out President Donald Trump for doing a "great job" in leveraging public and private-sector resources to fight the pandemic. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/MGyUVy | 21:15 |
| ubLIX | mefistofeles: wrt to press conference: <LjL>(head of civil protection has a fever, so it was cancelled) | 21:18 |
| mefistofeles | oh | 21:19 |
| mefistofeles | corona? | 21:19 |
| ubLIX | <LjL>(positivity unknown as of yet) | 21:19 |
| ubLIX | ~3 hours ago | 21:20 |
| pwr22 | !cases | 21:20 |
| mefistofeles | ubLIX: thanks | 21:20 |
| CovBot | In World there have been a total of 504,377 cases as of 2020-03-25 20:04:00 UTC. Of these 363,347 (72.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 118,006 (23.4%) have definitely recovered and 23,024 (4.6%) have died. | 21:20 |
| pwr22 | tinwhiskers: ~500k look like the right figure? | 21:21 |
| tinwhiskers | no | 21:22 |
| tinwhiskers | %cases world | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, World, there are 462691 cases, 20878 deaths (4.5% of cases), 113808 recoveries as of March 25, 20:17Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:16 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Matt Ford su Twitter: ""Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago has been discussing a universal do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients, regardless of the wishes of the patient or their family members." https://t.co/e3qVLNVcqG" [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/LqeXK0 | 21:22 |
| pwr22 | Oh man, the cases are dropping like flies | 21:25 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, yeah i guess the absence of a press conference has been the most remarkable thing from any of the press conferences so far | 21:34 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +278 cases (now 462969), +20 deaths (now 20898) 🔸 US: +202 cases (now 64765), +2 deaths (now 910) 🔹 French Guiana: +5 cases (now 28) 🔹 Martinique: +9 cases (now 66) 🔹 Saint Martin: +3 cases (now 11) 🔹 Sweden: +18 deaths (now 62) | 21:35 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: heh, indeed | 21:36 |
| Biep[m] | <LjL "Biep, this is what a 5mx looks l"> Oh, that looks gorgeous. Touch screen even..? | 21:36 |
| LjL | Biep[m], sure, but the Revo has a touchscreen too | 21:38 |
| LjL | “We are now on crisis footing,” he said. “What you take as first-come, first-served, no-holds-barred, everything-that-is-available-should-be-applied medicine is not where we are. We are now facing some difficult choices in how we apply medical resources — including staff.” | 21:38 |
| livebrain | the world was really ill prepared for this virus | 21:40 |
| livebrain | portugal tried to buy some ventilators and the polititics said that its a chaos, all other european countries are also trying to buy some | 21:41 |
| livebrain | and its harder to compete with certain countries and buy somethings | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:36 UTC: (news): Coronavirus is 'Public Enemy No 1': WHO chief warns final death toll depends on future actions — from WHO at 20:36: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/rp9XXP | 21:42 |
| mefistofeles | livebrain: just most of the west world, fwiw | 21:42 |
| LjL | “By the time you get all gowned up and double-gloved the patient is going to be dead,” he said. “We are going to be coding dead people. It is a nightmare.” | 21:44 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from EU Press Releases at 17:43 UTC: European Parliament: Press release - President Sassoli press conference on European Council meeting, plenary and COVID-19 → https://is.gd/3oUbYY | 21:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:45 UTC: New York, Hawaii and North Carolina ask FEMA for help handling coronavirus dead: New York, Hawaii and North Carolina have requested emergency mortuary assistance from FEMA to handle the coming deaths expected from coronavirus. — from WHO at 20:45: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/xNDyLI | 21:48 |
| Biep[m] | <LjL "Biep, sure, but the Revo has a t"> In 1997-1999 we did language survey in West-Africa (for SIL), and we had a Psion, I think S3. It lasted forever on two pen-light batteries. The one thing that irked me was that the calculator took dlls, but the spreadsheet didn't. I couldn't write functions for Mann-Whitney and other statistical tests and then simply call them from the spreadsheet. | 21:50 |
| LjL | Biep[m], the operating system on the S5 is wholly different. i don't think the calculator *or* the spreadsheet accept custom modules, though. what's fancy is that there is basically the equivalent of Windows's OLE, so you can embed a spreadsheet (or a graph from it) into a text document, or a drawing | 21:52 |
| LjL | and it's open to third-party applications that can declare themselves as embeddable | 21:52 |
| Biep[m] | I am still waiting for push-CPUs - the kind that isn't clocked, but that reacts to data being pushed into it, and then runs to quiescence. Will use very little energy. | 21:54 |
| balaa[m] | #off-topic | 21:55 |
| mefistofeles | ↑ | 21:55 |
| mefistofeles | :P | 21:56 |
| balaa[m] | not that I don't enjoy that topic; I must say I am pleased with the general quality of discussion here | 21:56 |
| mefistofeles | sure, I mean, off-topic can be tolerated, for sure | 21:57 |
| mefistofeles | or some level of it, that is | 21:57 |
| balaa[m] | whats everyones plan if internet goes down? | 21:58 |
| balaa[m] | hypothetical of course | 21:58 |
| LjL | i have a Walkman and enough cassettes | 21:58 |
| blkshp | Is there still TV? | 21:59 |
| blkshp | :) | 21:59 |
| LjL | almost | 21:59 |
| LjL | they're mostly broadcasting stuff from the old world | 22:00 |
| Scarecr0w | I've been stocking on movies and music. Got local plex server so as long as electricity doesn't go out, i'm set for 1-2months of entertainment. | 22:00 |
| LjL | and there are some barebones programmes live but mostly it's just people over Skype | 22:00 |
| metreo | !cases world | 22:00 |
| CovBot | In World there have been a total of 462,969 cases as of 2020-03-25 20:35:03 UTC. Of these 328,263 (70.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 113,808 (24.6%) have definitely recovered and 20,898 (4.5%) have died. | 22:00 |
| LjL | what's going to be fun is if there is an additional natural disaster like an earthquake | 22:01 |
| LjL | we're "good" at handling those even at the best of times | 22:01 |
| Scarecr0w | LjL: Sarcasm? | 22:01 |
| LjL | and they just had a pretty decent one in Slovenia/Croatia, but then they don't have many COVID cases | 22:01 |
| LjL | Scarecr0w, scarequoting "good" wasn't a clue? | 22:02 |
| Scarecr0w | I've got bad English, sorry. | 22:02 |
| LjL | i think i'm catching a cold from not sleeping enough | 22:03 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: not sleeping is a bad idea in this moment, that lowers your defenses | 22:03 |
| LjL | i knooow | 22:03 |
| mefistofeles | go to bed | 22:03 |
| mefistofeles | :P | 22:03 |
| LjL | well if people didn't rile me up until i ban them at 6am maybe i would! | 22:04 |
| balaa[m] | I've been working on LoraWan based SMS messaging system for my community | 22:04 |
| LjL | %wik LoraWan | 22:04 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, no such article found on the English Wikipedia | 22:04 |
| mefistofeles | %g lorawan | 22:04 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles, 0 hits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoRa (LoRa) | 22:04 |
| mefistofeles | LOL | 22:04 |
| LjL | the hit counter always says zero | 22:04 |
| LjL | also it's not really google | 22:04 |
| mefistofeles | ddg? | 22:04 |
| LjL | but i guess it'll do | 22:04 |
| LjL | Searx | 22:05 |
| mefistofeles | ok | 22:05 |
| balaa[m] | I was staying up late working then started to get fevers in the evening | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +606 cases (now 463575), +16 deaths (now 20914) 🔸 Turkey: +561 cases (now 2433), +15 deaths (now 59) 🔹 Canada: +16 cases (now 3306) 🔹 French Guiana: +5 cases (now 28) 🔹 Martinique: +9 cases (now 66) 🔹 Saint Martin: +3 cases (now 11) 🔹 Sweden: +18 deaths (now 62) 🔹 Ukraine: +29 cases (now 145), +1 deaths (now 5) | 22:05 |
| balaa[m] | went to bed | 22:05 |
| LjL | %cases turkey | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Turkey, there are 2433 cases, 59 deaths (2.4% of cases), 26 recoveries as of March 25, 21:02Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 22:05 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, production is all wonky! | 22:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 21:02 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Economia — from WHO at 21:02: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/ICBcME | 22:07 |
| balaa[m] | anybody else listening to "It's the end of the world as we know it" on repeat? | 22:07 |
| BruntLIVE | almost ran a motorcycle off the road. spitting in the air multiple times. | 22:07 |
| LjL | no | 22:08 |
| LjL | ... | 22:08 |
| mefistofeles | I m listening to "The peopkes blues" from Popa Chubby | 22:08 |
| mefistofeles | freaking great | 22:08 |
| LjL | i am listening to white noise | 22:08 |
| mefistofeles | peoples, even | 22:08 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: I'm not seeing the problem | 22:08 |
| AimHere | I'm listening to Corona by the Minutemen | 22:09 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: Oh, on offloop. Yes, I see :-) | 22:09 |
| mefistofeles | ooh, we should make a corona playlist :P | 22:09 |
| mefistofeles | Corona - Rhythm of the night should be first, fw | 22:10 |
| mefistofeles | iw | 22:10 |
| LjL | who linked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojrtwXqqc6g | 22:11 |
| mefistofeles | %title | 22:11 |
| LjL | it almost breaches my own no-meme policy | 22:11 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: From www.youtube.com: YouTube | 22:11 |
| LjL | but it's too good | 22:11 |
| mefistofeles | haha my corona | 22:12 |
| tinwhiskers | JH updated their data 20 minutes ago. Place your bets. | 22:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 21:08 UTC: Coronavirus: Thousands volunteer to help NHS with vulnerable: The role of volunteers will be "absolutely crucial" in fighting coronavirus, says Boris Johnson. — from WHO at 21:08: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/9a8krg | 22:13 |
| tinwhiskers | JH has put in a date 3/21/202 | 22:14 |
| tinwhiskers | Shit they suck | 22:14 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, was there an epidemic in 202 | 22:14 |
| LjL | %s plague during roman empire | 22:14 |
| tinwhiskers | It's like they're just fucking with people. They cock something up pretty much every day | 22:15 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, failed to get any hits! | 22:15 |
| LjL | like me with Brainstorm | 22:15 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 22:15 |
| oriba | LjL: great song :-) | 22:15 |
| tinwhiskers | F**********CK | 22:16 |
| oriba | tinwhiskers: today I found a github ticket, where they mentioned that they will do change the data structure and ann will be ´come better... ISO-dates and so on. | 22:19 |
| oriba | tinwhiskers: this one: https://github.com/CSSEGISandData/COVID-19/issues/1250 | 22:19 |
| LjL | i can definitely believe they will change the data structure | 22:20 |
| tinwhiskers | great, more changes. Just do *something*, *anything* but leave it the same. We can deal with silly formats. Changing shit every day really suck. | 22:20 |
| oriba | yes | 22:20 |
| oriba | or use branches | 22:21 |
| oriba | thats the reason why I did not started to go ddeper into it. Maybe in the next pandemy I do some plots ;-) | 22:22 |
| oriba | s/ddeper/deeper/g | 22:22 |
| Brainstorm | oriba meant to say: thats the reason why I did not started to go deeper into it. Maybe in the next pandemy I do some plots ;-) | 22:22 |
| AimHere | %s justinian plague | 22:22 |
| Brainstorm | AimHere, 0 hits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinian (Plague of Justinian) | 22:22 |
| AimHere | Not the right Roman plague | 22:23 |
| oriba | tinwhiskers, LjL: this one is "funny": "neil_ferguson | 22:23 |
| oriba | @neil_ferguson | 22:24 |
| oriba | I’m conscious that lots of people would like to see and run the pandemic simulation code we are using to model control measures against COVID-19. To explain the background - I wrote the code (thousands of lines of undocumented C) 13+ years ago to model flu pandemics... | 22:24 |
| oriba | source: https://twitter.com/neil_ferguson/status/1241835454707699713 | 22:24 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: nice find, thanks | 22:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus is 'Public Enemy No 1': WHO chief warns final death toll depends on future actions — from WHO at 21:20: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/rp9XXP | 22:26 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: wait, no actual code? | 22:26 |
| mefistofeles | or link to it | 22:26 |
| oriba | don't know, did not read the whole thread... just the "(thousands of lines of undocumented C) 13+ years ago" was so typical... | 22:28 |
| oriba | it's this kind of shit that we face every day, when looking at the great data source from JHU heheh. | 22:29 |
| oriba | don't know the english word for "Wurschtelei" | 22:30 |
| oriba | leo.org also don't know it | 22:30 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: it's not about solutions, it's about making money from the crisis I guess. Big COmpanies and bad Code plus a market. States make a lot of money available right now... | 22:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 21:27 UTC: Coronavirus: Thousands volunteer to help NHS with vulnerable: The role of volunteers will be "absolutely crucial" in fighting coronavirus, says Boris Johnson. — from WHO at 21:27: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/9a8krg | 22:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Well to their credit this time JH beat me to fixing their error. | 22:33 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: apparently :/ | 22:33 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: plenty of people asking in the thread for the source code... but meh | 22:34 |
| tinwhiskers | %cases texas | 22:34 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: Sorry, texas not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 22:34 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1296 cases (now 464871), +30 deaths (now 20944) 🔸 United Kingdom: +1265 cases (now 9529), +30 deaths (now 465) 🔹 Canada: +16 cases (now 3306) 🔹 French Guiana: +5 cases (now 28) 🔹 Martinique: +9 cases (now 66) 🔹 Saint Martin: +3 cases (now 11) 🔹 San Marino: +21 cases (now 208) 🔹 Sweden: +18 deaths (now 62) 🔹 US: +10 cases (now 64775) | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:28 UTC: (news): Idaho Gov. Brad Little issues stay-at-home order as more states tighten restrictions amid coronavirus outbreak — from WHO at 21:28: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/KpIM4S | 22:38 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: I guess the code is so ugly that all people who read it immediately would turn to stone | 22:44 |
| oriba | medusa.c | 22:44 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 22:45 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: maybe, but lets hope they will make it publicly available soon | 22:45 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +1943 cases (now 466814), +203 deaths (now 21147) 🔸 Spain: +1904 cases (now 49515), +202 deaths (now 3647) 🔹 Canada: +16 cases (now 3306) 🔹 Channel Islands: +7 cases (now 46) 🔹 French Guiana: +5 cases (now 28) 🔹 Ghana: +25 cases (now 93), +1 deaths (now 4) 🔹 Martinique: +9 cases (now 66) 🔹 Palestine: +7 cases (now 71) [... want %more?] | 22:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus is 'Public Enemy No 1': WHO chief warns final death toll depends on future actions — from WHO at 21:47: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/rp9XXP | 22:50 |
| oriba | mefistofeles: I wonder what they think is soooo special about it. Aren't there many such simulations? Or at least similar ones? | 23:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 21:58 UTC: Coronavirus: Thousands volunteer to help NHS with vulnerable: The role of volunteers will be "absolutely crucial" in fighting coronavirus, says Boris Johnson. — from WHO at 21:58: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/9a8krg | 23:03 |
| mefistofeles | oriba: who knows, without details we canot really tell, but if it's just another SIR OR SIER or SIRS one, for sure, there are plenty already | 23:03 |
| mefistofeles | s/OR/or | 23:04 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles meant to say: oriba: who knows, without details we canot really tell, but if it's just another SIR or SIER or SIRS one, for sure, there are plenty already | 23:04 |
| mefistofeles | I was thinking about making one that s more "ab-initio", using angent-based modelling in a grid | 23:04 |
| mefistofeles | with my room mate | 23:04 |
| mefistofeles | and/or even using 2D molecular dynamics | 23:05 |
| oriba | Triage @ Strasbourg: https://www.tagesspiegel.de/wissen/patienten-ueber-80-jahre-werden-nicht-mehr-beatmet-deutsche-katastrophenaerzte-verfassen-alarmbericht-ueber-strassburg/25682596.html | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:08 UTC: Coronavirus US live: California governor says 1m people filed for unemployment in state: How Trump practices distancing versus other leaders Trump family will not profit from $2tn package Are Trump’s coronavirus briefings the new 2020 campaign rallies? Experts: Trump’s ‘back-to-work’ plan would make things [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/E9V35S | 23:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 22:17 UTC: Policy: Coronavirus: Is it too much to ask for an actual plan? — from WHO at 22:17: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/mKjQN6 | 23:22 |
| sparkman | %cases id | 23:22 |
| Brainstorm | sparkman: In all areas, Trinidad and Tobago, there are 60 cases, 0 deaths (0.0% of cases), 1 recoveries as of March 25, 22:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Trinidad%20and%20Tobago for time series data. | 23:22 |
| sparkman | %cases Idaho | 23:22 |
| Brainstorm | sparkman: Sorry, Idaho not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 23:22 |
| yn | %cases ohio | 23:23 |
| Brainstorm | yn: Sorry, ohio not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 23:23 |
| KindOne | yn: ya ded yet? | 23:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 22:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Prince Charles tests positive but 'remains in good health' — from WHO at 22:22: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/DuKQO2 | 23:28 |
| yn | KindOne: not yet | 23:29 |
| yn | KindOne: you ded yet? | 23:31 |
| KindOne | yn: jury is still out on that! | 23:32 |
| yn | KindOne: bazinga! | 23:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 22:32 UTC: DECRETO-LEGGE 25 marzo 2020, n.19: Misure urgenti per fronteggiare l'emergenza epidemiologica daCOVID-19. (20G00035) — from WHO at 22:32: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/6bWfpk | 23:34 |
| Brainstorm | 🔸 World: +725 cases (now 467539), +21 deaths (now 21168), +6 recoveries (now 113814) 🔸 US: +649 cases (now 65424), +18 deaths (now 928) 🔹 Bermuda: +1 cases (now 7) 🔹 Bosnia and Herzegovina: +3 cases (now 176) 🔹 Canada: +77 cases (now 3367) 🔹 Channel Islands: +7 cases (now 46) 🔹 French Guiana: +5 cases (now 28) [... want %more?] | 23:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global death toll passes 20,000, as Spain overtakes China as second worst-hit country — from WHO at 22:40: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/rPYz4u | 23:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:48 UTC: (news): New York hospitals battle coronavirus as hundreds of patients flood in: 'We must not break' — from WHO at 22:48: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/XFmBph | 23:53 |
| oriba | Why have so many coronavirus patients died in Italy? -> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/have-many-coronavirus-patients-died-italy/ | 23:58 |
| xdeadbeef | old smokers? | 23:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:56 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus news: two Covid-19 deaths in Victoria as states eye stage 3 lockdown – live updates — from WHO at 22:56: How to stay physically active during COVID-19 self-quarantine → https://is.gd/jAG8rz | 23:59 |
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