libera/##covid-19/ Tuesday, 2020-03-31

BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:54 UTC: (news): Biden says coronavirus' impact on health system hasn't changed his mind on single-payer β€” from r/WorldNews at 21:54: Prince William wants to return as air ambulance pilot to β€˜do his bit’ in fight against coronavirus. β†’ https://is.gd/AgsmfE00:00
LjLTimvde, i don't know... years, months, week, everything can seemingly change orders of magnitude like a nice exponential curve00:01
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +833 cases (now 781478), +28 deaths (now 37577), +54 recoveries (now 164684) πŸ”Έ US: +525 cases (now 160813), +7 deaths (now 2960), +25 recoveries (now 5245) πŸ”Έ California, US: +537 cases (now 6895), +10 deaths (now 142) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +50 cases (now 170) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +32 cases (now 859) [... want %more?]00:06
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 21:59 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump delivers White House coronavirus briefing: President gives latest updates on virus outbreak Trump lashes out at critics as Fauci warns New Orleans, Detroit See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/e63eha00:06
adventurerhttps://news.yahoo.com/china-supplied-faulty-coronavirus-test-162306412.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cDovL20uZmFjZWJvb2suY29t&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAI6pXiWN4C-E5ayrueKt6Ept9VAq98YvSdmAQxNdjfZFfU3r-arlgptZHLFCB06vjzxpZeXEWgYUzN1SVlm9J-dLFhJzE0vvsVLOprq3q-_mCyi5zNaoeyf04Mad4fHlKze_inFG4fy3yV0hQeLnvv9S1Pl8bOIJ48aJdOLCOHMv00:09
adventureroh didn't work00:09
tinwhiskers<adventurer> "oh didn't work" - yes, they were faulty :-/00:11
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:10 UTC: Photos of the field hospital being built in New York's Central Park: A new field hospital in New York's Central Park is set to open Tuesday and will treat coronavirus patients. β€” from r/WorldNews at 22:10: Prince William wants to return as air ambulance pilot to β€˜do his bit’ in fight against coronavirus. β†’ https://is.gd/O7oyPr00:18
LjLSpec, most of our supermarket websites now have queues to access the *website*00:21
LjLyou cannot even fill your cart etc00:21
LjLtoo many people are using them so you have to wait for your turn... so nevermind actually getting to the checkout00:22
LjLubLIX, ↑ also00:24
ubLIXthat sounds pretty grim00:25
BruntLIVECovid-19 at door00:25
LjLubLIX, no, grim is when you're dying. but having to actually go to the supermarket certainly doesn't help your chances of avoiding the former00:25
yuriwhothe youth generation needs to step up and learn to shop for others without passing innoculum along00:26
yuriwhojobs a plenty00:26
ubLIXthe direction that is going in, i meant00:27
LjLubLIX, oh but the civil protection looked pleased and said the curves are improving!00:28
LjLpossibly helped by less testing00:28
LjLbut they didn't mention that00:28
ubLIXwell thousands of people being driven out of their homes in search of food, at the same time, sounds pretty awful to me00:29
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:14 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump delivers White House coronavirus briefing: President gives latest updates on virus outbreak Trump lashes out at critics as Fauci warns New Orleans, Detroit See all our coronavirus coverage β€” from r/WorldNews at 22:14: Workers go on strike at Amazon delivery site in Italy amid coronavirus β†’ https://is.gd/e63eha00:30
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:28 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia update live: government to subsidise wages for 6 million workers in $130bn plan – latest news β€” from r/WorldNews at 22:28: Workers go on strike at Amazon delivery site in Italy amid coronavirus β†’ https://is.gd/0yTG1y00:37
forestfoxwiating your turn while youre waiting at home anyway doesnt sound too bad00:37
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:29 UTC: Coronavirus deniers take aim at hospitals as pandemic grows: The grim realities of hospitals overflowing with patients seeking treatment for COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, are not always as visible from the outside, leaving space for bad actors and coronavirus denialists to push dangerous disinformation β†’ https://is.gd/MOUZRx00:43
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +748 cases (now 782226), +16 deaths (now 37593), +50 recoveries (now 164734) πŸ”Έ US: +545 cases (now 161358), +14 deaths (now 2974), +9 recoveries (now 5254) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +50 cases (now 170) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +32 cases (now 859) πŸ”Ή Algeria: +73 cases (now 584), +4 deaths (now 35), +6 recoveries (now 37) [... want %more?]00:51
IronYnapped, had a dream I was at my moms house avoiding covid for some reason, entire family came over, snapped on entire family00:51
IronYI wont be napping again00:51
LjLforestfox, it's just stopgap measures for the websites being overloaded, though, and in the end, there are no slots available for the next 2 weeks anyway00:51
forestfoxoh wow00:52
forestfoxthat's quite a line00:52
LjLforestfox, the thing that worries me is that while usually new slots opened for the "16th day" at midnight, now the site is stuck with april 10 as its last shown date. which makes me think they're just giving up and no longer offering service01:02
LjLand it's the biggest chain in milan, the rest are just... doing even worse01:03
forestfoxyeah wow01:03
forestfoxthat's bad01:03
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:59 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump boasts about sending supplies abroad as US hospitals struggle: President gives latest updates on virus outbreak Trump lashes out at critics as Fauci warns New Orleans, Detroit See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/e63eha01:13
oxalisΰ² _ΰ² 01:20
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:12 UTC: Police: UK police warned against β€˜overreach’ in use of virus lockdown powers β€” from r/WorldNews at 23:12: Coronavirus: Trudeau says he’s β€˜proud’ of Canada’s COVID-19 response as U.S. cases soar β†’ https://is.gd/r46pEx01:31
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +1522 cases (now 783748), +159 deaths (now 37752), +18 recoveries (now 164752) πŸ”Έ US: +1403 cases (now 162761), +152 deaths (now 3126) πŸ”Έ New York, US: +730 cases (now 67227), +124 deaths (now 1342) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +50 cases (now 170) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +96 cases (now 923) πŸ”Ή Alaska, US: +12 cases (now 114) [... want %more?]01:36
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:26 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump boasts about sending supplies abroad as US hospitals struggle: President gives latest updates on virus outbreak Trump lashes out at critics as Fauci warns New Orleans, Detroit See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/e63eha01:37
pyna:( https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/miriamelder/coronavirus-new-york-city-hospital-nurse-covid-19-deaths01:39
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +633 cases (now 784381), +32 deaths (now 37784), +217 recoveries (now 164969) πŸ”Ή Afghanistan: +50 cases (now 170) πŸ”Ή Alabama, US: +108 cases (now 935), +2 deaths (now 11) πŸ”Ή Alaska, US: +12 cases (now 114) πŸ”Ή Algeria: +73 cases (now 584), +4 deaths (now 35), +6 recoveries (now 37) πŸ”Ή Andorra: +36 cases (now 370), +2 deaths (now 8), +4 recoveries (now 10) [... want %more?]01:51
BrainstormπŸ”Έ World: +501 cases (now 784882), +7 deaths (now 37791), +65 recoveries (now 165034) πŸ”Έ Quebec, Canada: +590 cases (now 3430) πŸ”Ή Australia: +96 cases (now 4460) πŸ”Ή Australian Capital Territory, Australia: +1 cases (now 78), +1 deaths (now 1) πŸ”Ή New South Wales, Australia: +241 cases (now 2032) πŸ”Ή Queensland, Australia: +33 cases (now 689) [... want %more?]02:05
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 00:21 UTC: /u/slakmehl: southpaw su Twitter: "Louisiana: "State officials on Monday said 28 long-term care facilities, mostly nursing homes, have now been identified as clusters of the novel coronavirus, an increase eight over the previous day." https://t.co/fWAtM8wRVN" [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/kB08Zv02:25
LjLubLIX, ↑02:26
AimHere28 in one state?02:27
AimHereIs there a reasonable proximate cause for this (a nurse or delivery guy going between them, say) or is this just that Lousiana mostly has it now?02:28
swift110hmm02:29
LjLi'm not sure it's easy to avoid the odd nurse or delivery guy spreading it to these places02:30
AimHereLouisiana has the most deaths per capita of any state other than NY02:32
AimHereIt could just be that the disease is already rife02:32
LjLwell, yes, but still nursing homes in particular are a huge weak spot02:33
AimHereYeah02:33
ketasnursing homes got it here now02:34
LjLcurtailing visits may help but again i'm not sure it *can* be helped02:34
ketasdespite measures!02:34
AimHereI was just wondering if Louisiana's home incidence was well out of proportion to the population at large02:34
AimHereI suspect it might not be02:34
ubLIXAimHere: just had a look at offloop; looks like New Jersey is between NY and Louisiana02:35
AimHereubLIX, You looking at per capita figures?02:35
ubLIXmhm02:35
pynatrump is calling this thing like craps or a ticker02:35
pynalike any other genius reading random number02:36
AimHereubLIX, I'm looking at offloop now, and Lou is well above NJ. I'm talking deaths rather than cases02:37
AimHereFor the obvious reason that it's a more reliable measure. Louisiana probably isn't testing as much as NJ02:37
ubLIXsry, i misread02:37
ubLIXi was looking at cases02:37
AimHereThe cases figure is just a measure of how useless the government is02:38
AimHereIn Deaths we trust02:39
ubLIXi'm quite good at dissociation. but it does get challenging from time to time02:43
AlbrightSargon is kind of a goof but he's right on on the erosion of civil rights we're allowing to happen all over the world. Holy shit, Hungary, what did you do? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn6O09fSui402:47
LjLi'm no longer convinced even deaths are a reliable metric02:49
LjLi've always said there can be some quibbling over the specifics of deaths, too02:49
LjLbut now it's more like... i suspect there may be some *major* quibbling if one tries hard02:49
AimHereI wouldn't even say 'reliable', just less unreliable02:49
AimHereDeaths can be underestimated by covid sufferers dying without being tested or dying away from the hospital, and overestimated by the occasional sufferer dying of non-Covid-related causes02:50
AimHereThe latter, though, is just a quibble by the minimisers and denialists. The death rate of people who happen to be diagnosed with the disease is just far too high to be anything other than death by covid02:51
blackntanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5pgG1M_h_U02:52
blackntaneveryone needs good news from Krasinski02:52
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US deaths pass 3,000 as study shows higher risk from middle age β€” from r/WorldNews at 00:49: US coronavirus death toll surpasses 3,000 β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx02:54
LjLfrom middle age now?02:58
IronYhey google, define middle age02:59
LjLhmm well, it's basically defined as 50 in the article02:59
LjLbut that's not new, 50 has been the dividing line in italy's reports for a while02:59
IronYfuck to live in a world where 50 is the middle age02:59
LjLi guess it wants to highlight >50 isn't just shorthand for "really only people in their 70s or 80s" but it's actually >5002:59
IronY100 years ago we would of been like, he lived tell 50, he had a good life03:00
LjLeh03:00
LjLwasn't exactly like that03:00
LjLlife expectancy was much shorter but a lot of that was due to infant mortality03:00
IronYEarly 19th-century England 4003:00
LjLif you lived to be 10 then chances you'd live past 50 weren't all that bad03:00
IronY1900 world average 3103:00
IronY1950 world average 4803:00
IronY2017 world average 72.203:00
IronYgranted this obviously varies by region03:01
IronYhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy03:01
LjLhow does that negate what i said though?03:01
IronYThis does not factor in death of babie03:01
LjLThe combination of high infant mortality and deaths in young adulthood from accidents, epidemics, plagues, wars, and childbirth, particularly before modern medicine was widely available, significantly lowers LEB. For example, a society with a LEB of 40 may have few people dying at precisely 40: most will die before 30 or after 55.03:01
LjLthat's from the "life expectancy" article you linked03:01
LjLit does factor in death of babies03:02
swift110oh wow that sucks03:02
IronYfirst graph03:02
LjLwhich part of "at birth" does not factor in infant mortality?03:02
swift110goodness03:02
IronYLjL: at birth means, when they were born, to when they die, also, it be a very hard metric to calculate death rates of births while home births were prevalent, we debate how stats now in modern times as early as this morning, but yes, modern medicine has greatly increased our life expectancy over the last few decades03:03
IronYon both sides, infants and old people03:04
LjLsorry, you can handwave the issue away but sure, statistics can be faulty, but life expectancy "at birth", statistically, means that if you have a lot of dead babies, YES, that becomes much lower03:04
LjLif that's simply not counted because in some given place it wasn't counted, that's an error in the data, but you can't say it's not part of it when the very article very clearly states it is03:05
IronYoh it is part of it03:05
IronYbut as is the latter side03:05
LjLIn populations with high infant mortality rates, LEB is highly sensitive to the rate of death in the first few years of life. Because of this sensitivity to infant mortality, LEB can be subjected to gross misinterpretation, leading one to believe that a population with a low LEB will necessarily have a small proportion of older people.[2] 03:06
IronY45 used to be middle age when I was a kid03:06
IronYnow its 5003:06
LjLsure, people do live to be older03:06
LjLbbut your original statement where living to 50 was a long life or something 100 years ago... it really wasn't seen that way03:06
LjLin 1300, when Dante wrote the divine comedy, the very first verse is interpreted as him saying he was exactly middle-aged, and that was 35, so, expecting to live to 7003:07
LjLthat may not have reflected statistical reality but it reflected what people thought of as middle or old age03:07
LjLthey didn't say "oh it's fine if i live only up to 50 because hey, chances were that i'd die as a toddler anyway"03:08
dunnpreading the wiki page IronY linked has some nice data for life expectancy if you make it to 15 or 2103:08
dunnp64 in the 1200s03:08
dunnpvaccines in the later half of the 1900s also helped with all the childhood diseases03:09
dunnpwhich artificially pumps up the average03:09
dunnpcant find a good >15yo chart across the 1900s though03:09
ryoumathe az saho does not seem to start until tue or so03:12
ryouma%data az03:12
Brainstormryouma: In Arizona, US, there are 1157 cases, 20 deaths (1.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 31, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.03:12
LjLdunnp, 64 in the 1200s makes Dante expecting 70 in 1300 not so unreasonable03:13
ryoumaLjL: i missed the bot drama.  was merely wondering if you are thinking bots are ok or whether theyneed a little reducing03:13
ryoumai would prefer a little less redundancy/frequency if psssible if myopinion counts for anything03:14
ryouma(which it might not)03:14
LjLryouma, they need reducing, and plainly speaking, i need to have more control on what they're doing. i'm starting by reducing Brainstorm's own output, but also i can't keep allowing more and more bots just based on the fact that i allowed the last one03:14
ryoumagreat03:15
ryoumawe really need some hospital volunteer or implemented system to report icu beds total and free03:16
dunnpstrange but I am appreciating the isolation03:19
dunnpi've previously been under isolation restrictions though03:22
dunnpso some comfort in that03:22
LjLryouma, italy reports the number of COVID patients in ICU, but that's not exactly what you said03:23
ryoumait would be good to know which places need ventilators or icu beds or personnel the most03:24
ryoumawhat is a saho compared to si compared to etc.03:24
ryoumaself-isolationorder sounds the same03:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO special envoy tells countries to 'act quickly' as global cases climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 01:20: US coronavirus death toll surpasses 3,000 β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB03:25
ryouma%data vt03:29
Brainstormryouma: In Vermont, US, there are 256 cases, 12 deaths (4.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 31, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.03:29
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Prince William wants to return as air ambulance pilot to β€˜do his bit’ in fight against coronavirus. (5226 votes)03:30
CoronaBothttps://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11290259/coronavirus-prince-william-air-ambulance-return/ | https://redd.it/frywt803:30
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: World Economy Has Entered Recession Due To Coronavirus, Says IMF (5019 votes)03:30
CoronaBothttps://www.huffingtonpost.in/entry/world-economy-has-entered-recession-due-to-coronavirus-says-imf_in_5e7f21cdc5b6614922683c38?utm_hp_ref=in-homepage&guccounter=1 | https://redd.it/fro8wx03:30
BrainstormUS: +769 cases (now 164248), +15 deaths (now 3163) β€” Argentina: +146 cases (now 966), +1 deaths (now 24) β€” Barbados: +1 cases (now 34)03:54
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:47 UTC: Amazon workers walk out over lack of protective gear amid coronavirus: More than 100 workers went on strike at a New York City facility after reports of multiple employees testing positive for Covid-19 β€” from r/WorldNews at 01:47: Amazon fires warehouse worker who led Staten Island strike for more coronavirus protection β†’ https://is.gd/fCPGFN03:55
IronY LjL Seems canada is saying the ame thing a the states https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/people-in-their-fifties-most-likely-to-catch-covid-19-so-far/wcm/4b7d978a-b0b9-490a-aadd-c50ddad47d22/03:58
ryoumawhat is the latest on surfaces?  i used my reusable respirator 4 days ago, and again today, being unable to clean iit04:01
ryoumakept it in a ziploc04:01
ryoumaunopened04:01
ryoumaoops, i mean partly zipped04:01
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 01:57 UTC: /u/maxwellhill: Coronavirus: US death rates v China, Italy and South Korea - BBC News β€” from r/WorldNews at 01:57: Amazon fires warehouse worker who led Staten Island strike for more coronavirus protection β†’ https://is.gd/D5Ygho04:01
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:03 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US deaths pass 3,000 as study shows higher risk from middle age β€” from r/WorldNews at 02:03: Amazon fires warehouse worker who led Staten Island strike for more coronavirus protection β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx04:14
LjL%cases va04:37
BrainstormLjL: In Virginia, US, there are 1020 cases, 25 deaths (2.5% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 31, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.04:37
LjL%cases dc04:37
BrainstormLjL: Sorry, dc not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.04:37
LjL%cases district of columbia04:38
Spechah04:38
BrainstormLjL: In District Of Columbia, US, there are 495 cases, 9 deaths (1.8% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 31, 02:33Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=District%20Of%20Columbia for time series data.04:38
Spec%cases maryland04:38
BrainstormSpec: In Maryland, US, there are 1413 cases, 15 deaths (1.1% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 31, 00:05Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.04:38
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Twitter blocks Bolsonaro's tweets as he visits market to campaign against isolation (5205 votes)04:42
CoronaBothttps://www.thelifecart.com/2020/03/twitter-blocks-bolsonaros-tweets-as-he-visits-market-to-campaign-against-isolation.html?m=1 | https://redd.it/frz2ij04:42
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:32 UTC: Banking: Bank loans: what’s on offer for home owners and small business during the pandemic β€” from r/WorldNews at 02:32: 'Pandemic' scientist says his team has discovered potential cure for COVID-19 β†’ https://is.gd/42jepR04:44
LjLIronY, my general understand though is that people even older than 50 are even more likely to test positive and to become serious, just that they are also lower in numbers04:46
LjL(with all the uncertainties of who gets tested in the first place, still)04:47
LjLryouma, the fact that you don't clean something probably has little effect... these are not bacteria so they don't multiply on an uncleaned surface04:47
LjLif the virus was there the first time around you probably breathed it in the first time around04:48
LjLif not, then not04:48
LjLbit simplistic perhaps, i might be misunderstanding the picture04:48
twomoonljl which vitamins do u take04:50
ryoumano, the sequence is (somebody potentially spreads virus or stuff tha contains virus into air) (i am bedridden so stuff falls on me) (i wear respirator during part of this time) (i put respirator into ziploc bag) (3-4 days pass) (i wear respirator)04:50
ryoumaso the problem is that virus could get rubbed off onto ziploc, then onto inside of respirator from the ziploc04:50
ryoumai.e. i didn't just set the respirator down someplace, i put it in a bag so the parts that i breathe in could be contaminated from teh ziploc04:51
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:43 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US deaths pass 3,000 as study shows higher risk from middle age β€” from r/WorldNews at 02:43: 'Pandemic' scientist says his team has discovered potential cure for COVID-19 β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx04:56
LjLtwomoon, normally only D3 in usual daily dose, i've bought a multivitamin in case we end up having to rely on unvaried food04:58
twomoondo you take cod liver oil or anything like that04:59
LjLryouma, i don't want to say "that it very unlikely to happen" because i'd be parroting the WHO and others that said things that aren't based on any hard facts04:59
IronYYou just reminded me to take my vitamin04:59
LjLryouma, but i will say that if it comes to such rather intricate sequences of possible contacts, i find them hard to avoid even if i try05:00
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: More than 150,000 people have recovered from coronavirus around the world (5153 votes)05:00
CoronaBothttps://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/490186-more-than-150000-people-have-recovered-from | https://redd.it/frwn7t05:00
IronYI am about to watch some 5 part conspiracy series called 'fall of the cabal' so I can debunk stuff on facebook since normal people just figured out conspiracy videos on facebook in my area05:00
ryoumawhat multivitamin do you take?  i fear they are not on shelves/online05:01
IronYCentrium for men05:01
IronYcentrum*05:01
ryouma(same with other vitamins i need like c a e d k2)05:02
ryoumafinding mazon kind of un-navigatable these days05:02
ryoumas/kind of //05:02
ryoumait pitches me kindle books but not the vitamins i need05:02
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO special envoy tells countries to 'act quickly' as global cases climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 02:55: 'Pandemic' scientist says his team has discovered potential cure for COVID-19 β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB05:02
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 03:02 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Maggie Haberman su Twitter: "β€œAt least 248 million Americans in at least 29 states have been told to stay at home.” https://t.co/uXYA8wByVw" β€” from r/WorldNews at 03:02: 4.2 quake hits southern Puerto Rico amid coronavirus curfew β†’ https://is.gd/TPfGya05:09
twomoonwas listening to a rep from WHO on radio today saying 'don't wear face masks with the main reason being it gives you a false sense of security'05:09
LjLthat's your mistake05:11
LjLyou still listen to the WHO05:11
LjLryouma, i managed to buy it off amazon a certain amount of time ago (maybe two weeks?) but it's out of stock now05:12
LjLryouma, i assume that's similar for most05:12
LjLryouma, delivered march 16, it was this https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B018UFDB02/05:12
LjLi could give you some of the simple rationales i chose it based on05:13
LjLbut that may be unhelpful if you can barely buy any multivitamin at all05:13
LjLbut the short version of the rationale is "it was really multi"05:13
LjLand also, i could recognize the brand as something i've seen in pharmacies before05:14
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:04 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US deaths pass 3,000 as study shows higher risk from middle age β€” from r/WorldNews at 03:04: 4.2 quake hits southern Puerto Rico amid coronavirus curfew β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx05:15
LjLdon't be ridiculous worldnews, they don't usually even notice a 4.205:17
twomoonyeah i know i'm just pointing out how silly the WHO is05:25
twomoonlol ljl torn between covid and earthquake news05:26
twomoontrying to find some levity here05:26
twomoonsup irony05:35
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: People In India Are Dropping Dead After Walking Hundreds of Miles During Coronavirus Lockdown. India's sudden lockdown left millions of migrant workers stranded far from their home cities (5194 votes)05:36
CoronaBothttps://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qjd5z5/people-in-india-are-dropping-dead-after-walking-hundreds-of-miles-during-coronavirus-lockdown | https://redd.it/frxsut05:36
DocScrutinizer05strange weekly period sine in https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d405:41
DocScrutinizer05makes it harder to detect any trend05:42
IronYtwomoon: watching something called 'full cabal'05:45
IronY'fall cabal'05:45
twomoonfall of the cabal?05:46
IronYyeah thats the one, half my facebook list is going on about it so I need to watch it to argue against it05:47
IronYConspiracy theories are so much easier to buy when delivered by a english lady with good inflection05:51
ubLIXheh: https://xkcd.com/2287/05:54
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO special envoy tells countries to 'act quickly' as global cases climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 03:53: Brazilian President Bolsonaro rejects calls for coronavirus lockdown, says "we're all going to die one day" β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB05:57
IronYubLIX: very nice (the comic)06:03
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:58 UTC: (news): 'Act quickly, act decisively, act robustly' to stop coronavirus outbreaks, WHO special envoy says β€” from r/WorldNews at 03:58: Brazilian President Bolsonaro rejects calls for coronavirus lockdown, says "we're all going to die one day" β†’ https://is.gd/FIziix06:03
IronYIf who wants people to listne, they should tell them to all go outside06:04
IronYI thin the majority of society has caught on to the epic fail of the WHO06:04
ubLIXthe UN has been an epic fail for decades, but why should tell people to go outside? am i missing sarcasm here06:06
IronYubLIX: the sarcasm is people who stay inside if the who advises going outside is a good idea06:07
IronYwill*06:07
ubLIXha. ok06:07
IronYPreface: I am posing this link for entertainment purposes, I neither support nor endorse the following youtube channel, but man, as far has conspiracy videos go, this is like all of them mixed into one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCtkYZeQ7Oo&list=PL18vrD9EPjAC7cQGB9fIzJcziJg4xwZk06:08
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Twitter removes videos of Brazilian President, Jair Bolsonaro for violating the platform's regulations against content defiant of public health information. (5095 votes)06:12
CoronaBothttps://www.euronews.com/2020/03/30/twitter-removes-videos-of-jair-bolsonaro-visiting-a-busy-market-during-coronavirus-pandemi | https://redd.it/fs22kn06:12
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:04 UTC: Banking: Coronavirus bank loans: what’s on offer for Australian home owners and small business β€” from r/WorldNews at 04:04: Hospital chain is looking to cut healthcare professionals’ wages amid global pandemic, Covid 19. β†’ https://is.gd/42jepR06:16
ubLIXIronY: oh dear god...06:17
ubLIXinteresting idea of entertainment you have there06:17
IronYubLIX: Edutainment, mostly because it is hard to debate facebook friends when they go on and on about this without seeing it06:18
IronYthe sad party is maybe some of this is correct, perhaps, i mean it is plausible, but by lumping everything together it just invalidates everything06:18
ubLIXsounds more like a computer generated voice than an native English speaking lady, to my ear06:18
ubLIXperhaps it's time for a new cabal of facebook friends06:20
IronYI I disqualified real life friends for a hint of stupidity, it be a very lonely world06:21
IronYI also do not want to be a hypocrite ubLIX06:21
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews at 04:05 UTC: worldnews: Italy flattens curve as daily rise in coronavirus cases hits lowest rate β†’ https://is.gd/z0qvdE06:22
IronYI get bad at them when they do not read the sources of my rebuttals06:22
IronYseems only fair I do the same06:22
IronYmad, ffs, I need a new keyboard06:22
ubLIXbut ideas are as memetic as genes and as subject to natural selection; by being receptive to the silliest ideas, you give them a toehold06:22
IronYubLIX: You cannot debunk something you have not researched though06:23
ubLIXyou can ignore it though, and trust it will whither outside the home your debate gives it06:24
IronYubLIX: I am going to have to disagree, it could be argued ignoring stupid has put us in the position we are currently in06:24
ubLIXthat is difficult to refute06:25
ubLIXstill, i'm not sure that arguing with stupid is the answer06:27
IronYfair06:27
IronYBrainstorm: wow, did you just give me good news06:27
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:18 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US deaths pass 3,000 as World Bank issues warning over China growth β€” from r/WorldNews at 04:18: Italy flattens curve as daily rise in coronavirus cases hits lowest rate β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx06:28
IronYBrainstorm: there u go06:28
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO special envoy tells countries to 'act quickly' as global cases climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 04:27: Italy flattens curve as daily rise in coronavirus cases hits lowest rate β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB06:34
berndjIronY, i tend to agree with you. simply ignoring stupid reduces your personal R0 to zero, but it's an atomistic approach that leaves the population vulnerable with no herd immunity. i think, if one can, it's better to transmit stupidity with antibodies attached "here is why this is wrong" etc.06:36
ubLIX"transmit stupidity with antibodies attached" :D06:39
IronYThat may have been the best thing I read all day06:40
ubLIXbut it still leaves open the question of right therapeutic approach for those already infected06:41
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:37 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US deaths pass 3,000 as World Bank issues warning over China growth β€” from r/WorldNews at 04:37: Italy flattens curve as daily rise in coronavirus cases hits lowest rate β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx06:46
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:52 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: US deaths pass 3,000 as World Bank warns Covid-19 will drive east Asia into poverty β€” from r/WorldNews at 04:52: Italy flattens curve as daily rise in coronavirus cases hits lowest rate β†’ https://is.gd/VgjDce06:58
sneephttps://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/mar/30/astrophysicist-gets-magnets-stuck-up-nose-while-inventing-coronavirus-device lol'd07:04
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO special envoy tells countries to 'act quickly' as global cases climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 04:57: Italy flattens curve as daily rise in coronavirus cases hits lowest rate β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB07:04
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:09 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US deaths pass 3,000 as World Bank issues warning over China growth β€” from r/WorldNews at 05:09: Italy flattens curve as daily rise in coronavirus cases hits lowest rate β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx07:17
ryoumaLjL: i can't figure out how to translate that to english.  i tried substituteing com for it but it gave me a dog07:17
ryoumaso the world today looks like who: "governments, pay attention." citizens: either "governmetns, pay attention" governments: "nah"07:18
ryoumaso the world today looks like who: "governments, pay attention". citizens: "governmetns, pay attention". governments: "nah".07:19
ryoumaparts of the un need much more power07:19
ryouma!@#$ sovereignty when it comes to human rights and pandemics07:20
ryoumado the right thing.  THEN you can pander to corporations as usual.07:20
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 05:19 UTC: /u/slakmehl: CNN su Twitter: "Portugal has temporarily given all migrants and asylum seekers full citizenship rights, granting them full access to the country's healthcare as the outbreak of the novel coronavirus escalates in the country https://t.co/j4drKBEb4z" [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/6Yv8LH07:23
Albrightryouma: If you think national-level governments can't do the right thing, what makes you think the UN will do better?07:25
ryoumaAlbright: do you believe that i am mistaken thinking htat countries are dilatory?  for the most part.  i am not advocating world gov or any such thing and have no intention of doing so.  i do, however, think, for exampe, that who could have had more ppe stockpiled than it did.07:26
ryoumawho just looks lame now.  that is because it has few resources and no power.07:28
Albrightryouma: I have extreme political views. I don't think any form of government can do anything correctly. But I'd rather localized governments be ruling over me than foreign ones.07:28
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:23 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US deaths pass 3,000 as World Bank issues warning over China growth β€” from r/WorldNews at 05:23: Italy flattens curve as daily rise in coronavirus cases hits lowest rate β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx07:29
ryoumaAlbright: i am not taking pre-existing ideological sentiments into this.  i look at what has been done and it has been dilatory and who could have had more ppe.  i think that discussions of events get pretty screwy when they end up being proxies for pre-existing political ideologies.07:29
ryoumai dfon't think that every even should be viewed throught he lesn of what you believe a priori, although i recognize it is onlya  few folk who have the capacity to not do so07:30
ryoumataiwan at least stored ppe07:31
tinwhiskersBut people in Taiwan regularly use them in their daily life so it's not an entirely fair comparison07:34
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 05:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO special envoy tells countries to 'act quickly' as global cases climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 05:28: Italy flattens curve as daily rise in coronavirus cases hits lowest rate β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB07:35
ryoumano, i am saying they had teh foresight to store, at least this is what i have heard, an emergency supply of masks, not for colds and not for pollution, but for pandemics, because they decided to do so (the usa had an emergency stockpile also) after sars1 or so.  the usa stored too few.  taiwan stoerd enough.07:35
ryoumathe regular use of them in asia is common but unrelated i think07:36
ryoumaadn those are probably not n95 niosh or similar07:36
tinwhiskersDoes any ppe equipment expire?07:36
ryoumaand ppe includes more than masks.  and it was just an example.  and there are also ventilators and papr and stuff.07:36
ryoumai've heard disposable respirators have an unknown expiry which sounds strange.  but that it is a reasonably long time.  like not just a year.07:37
tinwhiskersIf you use them regularly it's easy to cycle them through and maintain a stockpile, but if you don't regularly use them then it might be quite wasteful to maintain a stockpile07:37
tinwhiskersAnd I'm sure funding is not unlimited so you have to spend it where you get the most impact07:38
ryoumayeah maybe such stockpiles could work with hospitals to rotate them or osmething dunno.  but the stockpile is going to be less, even if completely wasted after a long time, or even a short time, than a few hours of say a significant war.07:38
ryoumawhich the usa prioritizes07:38
tinwhiskersIt's easy to say there should have been a stockpile in hindsight of course.07:39
berndji don't know what to make of these [hydroxy]chloroquine studies yet, but i wonder if it'll turn out like those aspirin studies where it becomes unethical to continue the study because it's so clear it works (it seems unlikely now that it'd be unethical to continue for the opposite reason - obviously harming patients)07:39
ryoumathe usa lpanned for it.  but a president effectively decided to not resupply it.  or something like that.  is what i heard.07:39
berndjtinwhiskers, rubber bands go goopy07:40
ryoumai think politicians will face just a bit more citizen oversight about this stuff in the future07:41
ryoumai hope07:41
tinwhiskersI don't think the USA had a stockpile and then got rid of it. "Planned to" is all well and good; the road to hell is paved with good intentions07:41
ryoumathey didn't get rid of it07:41
tinwhiskersRight07:41
ryoumathey just didn't allow it to be a priority07:41
yuriwhoberndj: the PI leading the trials is of questionable character07:42
ryoumausa was chosen as only one example of a country i have heard about.  it wasn't chosen for any other reason.07:42
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Over 70% favor removing 'China' from Taiwan passport (5286 votes)07:42
CoronaBothttps://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3907124 | https://redd.it/fs3c5v07:42
ryoumaif that's the issue07:42
berndjubLIX, the right therapeutic approach for those already infected with stupidity is quarantine07:43
ryoumasame with taiwan07:43
berndjyuriwho, you mean that raoult guy?07:43
yuriwhoyea07:43
ryoumathose are the only countries i have heard of that had stockpiles.  one failed.  one succeeded.07:43
berndjfair enough, but that's kinda ad hominem reasoning isn't it?07:43
tinwhiskersberndj: so has there been some decent evidence of *chloroquine working yet?07:43
ryoumalast thing we need is a china vs. taiwan war07:44
tinwhiskersI've really only heard anecdotes07:44
yuriwhoI only judge on the data07:44
berndjtinwhiskers, i don't know, not really qualified to judge what's "decent". just reading https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-IHU-2-1.pdf07:44
berndjand yes, raoult is named on the first page07:44
berndji don't know if he's the PI?07:45
ryoumaberndj: more like "questionable character could taint the results".  a t least that is what i interpreted.  so maybe rhetoricians would say it is ad hominem but a valid form of ad hominem.07:45
yuriwhoremember that China started trials of Chloroquine back in Jan.... it’s not a recommended treatment07:45
yuriwhoeven for china07:45
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US deaths pass 3,000 as World Bank issues warning over China growth β€” from r/WorldNews at 05:40: Suspected SARS virus and flu germs found in luggage: FBI report describes China's 'biosecurity risk' β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx07:47
skyofdustWhy is it not a recommended treatment? What did the studies conclude in?07:47
ryoumaLjL: is there a choose your language button on the amazon page?07:48
ryoumasars?  as in sars1?07:48
berndjryouma, i saw a funny quote the other day that i think is useful in distinguishing fallacious from non-fallacious ad hominem: "i'm not saying you're wrong because you're an idiot; i'm saying you're an idiot because you're wrong"07:48
yuriwhoread this: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/29/more-on-cloroquine-azithromycin-and-on-dr-raoult07:49
ryoumahmm, yes funny but i don't understand it enough to be sure that distinguishes them.  not sure it does.07:50
tinwhiskersberndj: ok, I had a read of that and it sounds interesting but is a long way from demonstrating an effect really, since they don't actually compare those treated to those who weren't.07:51
tinwhiskersBut the numbers so suggest something favorable might be going on07:52
yuriwhoand the lack of a control group is what makes the drama continue re chloroquine07:52
berndjtinwhiskers, yeah, i wasn't suggesting this was "proof" or anything fwiw, i just find the idea interesting07:52
tinwhiskersYeah, I realise that07:52
berndjhow do you ethically do a control under these circumstances though?07:53
yuriwhooffer Remdesivir07:53
tinwhiskersWell we're not treating people with that currently so you get volunteers to take it and compare their results07:53
yuriwhostandard of care IMO07:53
ubLIXberndj: that is a funny stance to take considering your agreement with IronY that taking an atomistic view is to forego an opportunity to treat; considering it was IronY's avowed wish to treat his afflicted friends. but i now suppose you weren't agreeing with IronY that far. but that was a 'beer' conversation while the channel was as quiet as it gets.07:54
berndjright, so you have "group that gets chloroquine" and "group that gets remdesivir"; then if the chloroquine group does no worse than the remdesivir group, then what?07:54
tinwhiskersyuriwho: is there any evidence for remdesivir that's any better than that for chloroquine?07:54
berndjubLIX, i don't think it is possible to treat stupidity, one can only isolate it and prevent its spread07:54
berndjand yes, "beer conversation" :)07:55
tinwhiskersberndj: no you have a group that gets chloroquine and one that doesn't. You're comparing chloroquine to no chloroquine, not to remdesivir.07:56
yuriwhotinwhiskers: the early data says it works, but it is not without nasty side-effects07:56
berndjtinwhiskers, i can't quite reproduce the argument here, but i gather giving only a placebo to the control group is unethical or something07:56
tinwhiskersIt's not unethical since most people are not getting it now07:57
berndjyuriwho, how was chloroquine ever used as an over-the-counter antimalarial prophylactic if it's so dangerous?07:57
ryoumain the us at least, teh rules for this stuff might have emerged from early hiv work in the 1980s07:57
yuriwhoit’s hard to synthesize07:57
ryoumadue to activism07:57
ryoumanot sure though07:58
tinwhiskersThere's nothing unethical about giving people the same treatment they are currently getting vs. a new treatment07:58
yuriwhoberndj: the anti-maliarial effects have nothing to do with COVID-1907:58
tinwhiskersWithholding a current form of treatment would be unethical but that's not the case here07:58
yuriwhoit’s a drug with a plethora of activities07:58
skyofdustberndj: yup, you can get it without a prescription in my country.07:58
yuriwhoit may be harmful to COVID patients07:59
yuriwhoMAY07:59
skyofdustBad thing is that people that knew it would be the most available treatment started hoarding it.07:59
tinwhiskersYes, that's certainly a concern07:59
berndjyuriwho, so what? the drug is apparently safe enough to be sold over the counter as a prophylactic *for malaria*. that doesn't mean there needs to be a connection between malaria and covid1907:59
yuriwhounknown without a good clinical trial07:59
tinwhiskersThat's why you have volunteers, and the numbers suggest it's not terribly risky08:00
tinwhiskersLess risky than covid anyway, so getting volunteers should not be a problem08:00
yuriwhoread the link I posted earlier from the pipeline berndj08:01
berndjsometimes i do think the drug-regulating agencies around the world haven't got the trolley problem calculus quite right08:01
tinwhiskersI see no ethical problem with doing a proper comparison of chloroquine vs. no chloroquine.08:01
yuriwhoOMG, berndj like you know shit about clinical trials. Do you think people spend careers on this and are clueless?08:02
tinwhiskersI mean, it's already been given to many people, such as the 80 mentioned in that paper draft, but they failed to do a comparison08:02
berndjno cathy newman, that is not what i said08:03
yuriwho /ignore berndj08:03
tinwhiskersOf course people with lupus still get chloroquine and we have lots of data from when it was used for malaria, so it's frustrating we're not seeing some pilot studies at least08:05
berndji wonder whether chloroquine gets so much airtime these days because trump is a fan, or because it's so cheap08:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 05:56 UTC: European markets set to open higher as sentiment buoyed by China data: European markets are expected to open higher Tuesday, following a positive lead set in Asia after Chinese manufacturing data rebounded in March. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/YqHg0G08:05
tinwhiskersI think it was just a matter of timing, and Trump came to the party later on08:06
berndjyeah, could well be that trump stated quasi-support for it *because* it's getting a lot of airtime, rather than the reverse08:07
tinwhiskersWell anything that has rumors of being good that the establishment won't use is gobbled up by the conspiracy/truther types08:08
berndjunfortunately authorities don't always cover themselves in glory, which helps to fuel that process08:09
tinwhiskersYeah08:09
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 06:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany reports 4,615 new cases as global infections climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 06:05: Suspected SARS virus and flu germs found in luggage: FBI report describes China's 'biosecurity risk' β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB08:11
ryoumaum i am not finding anything about the luggage stuff except from conspiracy sites08:16
ryoumaoh a social news site08:16
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: World Bank warns of 'unprecedented global shock' as US records its deadliest day β€” from r/WorldNews at 06:08: Boris Johnson has made an urgent plea to the US for more ventilators amid the coronavirus crisis, says Trump. β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx08:18
ryoumawhy is the uk asking us for what the us needs?08:18
ryoumaalso*08:19
BrainstormAlaska, US: +5 cases (now 119), +1 deaths (now 3) β€” Argentina: +146 cases (now 966), +1 deaths (now 24) β€” Australia: +97 cases (now 4557)08:20
ubLIXwhile both countries are ramping up ventilator manufacture, the US can do so quicker and produce greater numbers08:28
ubLIX*is my guess08:29
ryoumaalso boris needs to apologize to his own population08:30
ryoumathat is encouraging but when will they make enough08:31
tinwhiskersryouma: what luggage thing?08:32
ryoumascrollback\08:32
ryoumabot08:32
ryoumaafk08:32
berndji wonder if "lean manufacturing" will end up being a casualty of this war08:35
ubLIX*can do so quicker (sic) in terms of absolute numbers; it's not obvious (to me) that the US can spare any of its capacity yet08:36
yuriwhono shit Sherlock08:36
IronYlol ubLIX , from the National Post08:38
IronY"Public health officials want to prevent people from asking such questions, from making excuses for themselves, in hopes the maximum number of people will take the maximum precautions. They need smart people to forsake relatively low-risk things in order to counterbalance all the dumb people who do high-risk things no matter what they’re told."08:38
MjrTom[m]Bcos the US has a fairly sizeable landmass, a decent size population, most of whom are willing and able to be involved in production of supplies, and in WW2, we really came through as a nation with great leadership to deliver with that, and we have a lot of rich natural resources, we're a "first-world superpower", and we used to have substantial manufacturing infrastructure until the moneygrubbers moved so much of it overseas trying to turn us into08:38
MjrTom[m]a services only economy08:38
ubLIXwell08:39
ubLIXthat's not funny but i find myself laughing anyway08:39
IronYI am more concerned how the tv uses things like "This has never happened before, it is entirely unprecedented08:39
IronYIt has happened before, multiple times08:39
IronYa few times since the industrial revolution to boot08:39
MjrTom[m]But nowadays as compared to then, we are lacking those two things I mentioned08:39
SzandlerowskiIronY that's a media language08:40
yuriwhohere in Canada, I’m worried about Americans pushing north08:40
IronY^08:40
IronYyuriwho: We both live quite close to borders08:40
MjrTom[m]USA will be producing ventilators just about the time we're reaching about 80% or so of our final death tally08:41
IronYMjrTom[m]: on the first wave08:42
IronYMjrTom[m]: you will be better prepared for the second?08:42
IronYHind sight is 20-2008:42
yuriwhoI personally am not a proponent of the second wave theory08:43
MjrTom[m]Yes on the first wave... To early for me to have some idea about any further waves08:43
MjrTom[m]* too early08:43
IronYnot sure it is a theory, not saying it is a requirement, but it is a possibility08:44
yuriwhomight, may, maybe08:44
IronYpoint being it is too late to plan for the 85% peak08:44
IronYthat shipped a sailed08:44
yuriwhothe second wave is not an accepted fact08:45
ubLIXyuriwho: may I pm?08:45
yuriwhothis virus has 1/10th the rate of mutation of HIV08:45
IronYyuriwho: I mean, I am not arguing against you08:46
yuriwhoubLIX : sure08:46
IronYyuriwho: also that thing from the other day should work now08:46
MjrTom[m]I think that we could immediately start doing a lot more than we are doing, and be getting materials and items out very soon, and ramp up to supply the world after our own people, if only we had the leadership calling it out08:47
yuriwhoI am now on cell data, that will have to wait08:47
IronYyuriwho: fairly sure thats not a thing anymore08:47
IronYyou with rogers?08:47
yuriwhoyes08:47
IronYhttps://globalnews.ca/news/6673413/coronavirus-rogers-data-overage-fees/08:48
IronY%title08:48
BrainstormIronY: From globalnews.ca: Coronavirus: Internet providers suspend data overage fees for home internet - National | Globalnews.ca08:48
IronYgrr08:48
IronYhome internet, sec08:48
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 06:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany reports 4,615 new cases as global infections climb [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB08:48
IronYI did just learn this how ever08:48
IronY"Rogers and its flanker brand Fido have removed data caps until May 31. The company has also announced a six-month trial of Microsoft 365 and Microsoft Teams. In addition, they have removed long-distance calling fees until April 30."08:48
IronYGood on Rogers08:49
IronYI am mistaken08:50
IronYthey did it for home internet, and on cellphones they did "Until April 30, we will waive long distance calling across Canada for wireless, wireless home phone customers and small business’."08:50
IronY90% of their plans come with free national long distance08:50
IronYso that essentially reads 'we did nothing'08:50
yuriwhothey have not removed cellular data caps, I already pay for unlimited at home08:52
IronYThat makes me a sad panda08:53
IronYthe only ones who need data caps removed are the cellular users in the remote areas08:53
AlbrightLong distance fees? That's still a thing?08:53
IronYAlbright: not really, thats kinda the point08:53
IronYAlbright: You could be grandfathered into a plan from 10 years ago08:53
IronYget a great rate on it, but it does not come with free long distance08:54
IronYthat is generally the lure to the newer plans, the unlimited calling08:54
IronY(worked for rogers in his early twenties)08:54
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:53 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: World Bank warns of 'unprecedented global shock' as US records its deadliest day β€” from r/WorldNews at 06:53: 61 Italian Doctors Have Died During Coronavirus Crisis. β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx09:06
jacklsw%data malaysia09:08
Brainstormjacklsw: In all areas, Malaysia, there are 2626 cases, 37 deaths (1.4% of cases), 479 recoveries as of March 31, 06:56Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with β…” of cases undetected), and less than 7.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries).09:08
IronYyuriwho: https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=193074509:10
IronY%title09:10
BrainstormIronY: From ottawa.ctvnews.ca: Testing Positive For COVID-19 | CTV News09:10
yuriwhoheh09:11
IronYThis dude (i am not a sports guy, but he is a tsn dude), in his 50s, had a heart attack recently09:12
IronY'on day 15 I finally had a sip of a nice red wine, that was nice'09:12
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:07 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany reports 4,615 new cases as global infections climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 07:07: 61 Italian Doctors Have Died During Coronavirus Crisis. β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB09:13
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: World Bank warns of 'unprecedented global shock' as US records its deadliest day β€” from r/WorldNews at 07:08: 61 Italian Doctors Have Died During Coronavirus Crisis. β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx09:19
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: New blood test can detect 50 types of cancer (5018 votes)09:19
CoronaBothttps://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/31/new-blood-test-can-detect-50-types-of-cancer | https://redd.it/fs4lbd09:19
BrainstormAlaska, US: +5 cases (now 119), +1 deaths (now 3) β€” Argentina: +146 cases (now 966), +1 deaths (now 24) β€” Australia: +97 cases (now 4557), +93 recoveries (now 337)09:20
dosch[m]A list of bogus domains containing linked to the Covid-19 outbreak: https://blacklist.cyberthreatcoalition.org/09:25
dosch[m]More resources to protect against COVID-based phishing attacks:09:25
dosch[m]https://blacklist.cyberthreatcoalition.org/09:25
dosch[m]and see this tweet for background and a slack useful for people tracking/responding to COVID-focused phishing: https://twitter.com/ThreatCoalition/status/124434055500761497609:26
dosch[m]Also - an export of frequently updated rules for IDS (e.g. suricata) https://d82pn7cft47ne.cloudfront.net/MISP-COVID.rules09:26
IronYI dunno, I dosch[m] Man its beens o long since ive seen a txt file with ascii09:29
IronYthanks for that09:29
IronYalso I may put this in my url safe list09:29
IronY+109:29
dosch[m]yw09:30
dosch[m]please spread to people you think could benefit from it09:30
bn_mobilewtf happened yesterday in USA??  https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#nav-yesterday  were test results just backlogged?09:32
IronYexponential growth was exponential09:33
bn_mobileyes, but almost every single state returned results yesterday VS sporadically09:34
bn_mobiledoes the US even have that many test kits to conclude these #s?09:34
bn_mobileor I guess per T it's all been decoupled from the FDA now so each state/university lab is free to use it's own testing assays09:35
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany reports 4,615 new cases as global infections climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 07:31: 61 Italian Doctors Have Died During Coronavirus Crisis. β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB09:37
Flaviker!v09:38
tinwhiskersbn_mobile: I think you should check some other sites than worldometers. They seemed to be held up on a number of places.09:38
bn_mobiletinwhiskers: you mean data updates have "jitter"?09:40
bn_mobileor are sporadic?09:40
tinwhiskersFor some reason worldometers was not updating09:40
bn_mobilewhat would you recommend instead?09:41
bn_mobile%data usa09:46
Brainstormbn_mobile: In all areas, US, there are 164266 cases, 3170 deaths (1.9% of cases), 5507 recoveries as of March 31, 07:34Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.09:46
Flaviker!covid Switzerland09:47
CoronaBotSwitzerland: Global rank: #9, cases: 15,922, fatalities: 359, active cases: 13,740, total recovered: 1,823, in a serious condition: 301. Mortality: 2.25%, case fatality rate: 16.45%, cases/1M: 1840.0, deaths/1M: 41.0. Case rate: 1,093/day, death rate: 59/day, 1st case: Feb 24.09:47
bn_mobile!covid usa09:47
CoronaBotUSA: Global rank: #1, cases: 164,266 (+422), fatalities: 3,170 (+14), active cases: 155,589, total recovered: 5,507, in a serious condition: 3,512. Mortality: 1.93%, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 496.0, deaths/1M: 10.0. Case rate: 20,353/day, death rate: 573/day, 1st case: Jan 20.09:47
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:45 UTC: European markets climb as sentiment buoyed by China data: European markets advanced on Tuesday morning, following a positive lead set in Asia after Chinese manufacturing data rebounded in March. β€” from r/WorldNews at 07:45: 61 Italian Doctors Have Died During Coronavirus Crisis. β†’ https://is.gd/YqHg0G09:49
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Coronavirus: Trudeau says he’s β€˜proud’ of Canada’s COVID-19 response as U.S. cases soar (5021 votes)09:55
CoronaBothttps://globalnews.ca/news/6753297/coronavirus-trudeau-covid-us-cases/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter | https://redd.it/fs093g09:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany reports 4,615 new cases as global infections climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 07:47: 61 Italian Doctors Have Died During Coronavirus Crisis. β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB09:55
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:58 UTC: Business: Markets rally as China's factories grow after Covid-19 restrictions ease - business live β€” from r/WorldNews at 07:58: Germany will test 200,000 people a day for coronavirus in bid to replicate South Korea's success in slowing the outbreak β†’ https://is.gd/R6SD0T10:07
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 08:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany reports 4,615 new cases as global infections climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 08:12: Germany will test 200,000 people a day for coronavirus in bid to replicate South Korea's success in slowing the outbreak β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB10:16
bn_mobileIf the US has a shortage of test kits, how have they confirmed ~160k cases?10:17
BrainstormAfghanistan: +4 cases (now 174) β€” Alabama, US: +12 cases (now 947) β€” Alaska, US: +5 cases (now 119), +1 deaths (now 3)10:20
blackntan%data Ireland10:22
Brainstormblackntan: In all areas, Ireland, there are 2910 cases, 54 deaths (1.9% of cases), 5 recoveries as of March 31, 08:19Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ireland for time series data.10:22
CovBotI'm now running in Google Cloud so there should be less issues with me going wrong πŸ™‚.10:27
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:27 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: World Bank warns of 'unprecedented global shock' as US records its deadliest day β€” from r/WorldNews at 08:27: Cardinal close to Pope tests positive for virus β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx10:36
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Italy flattens curve as daily rise in coronavirus cases hits lowest rate (5206 votes)10:37
CoronaBothttps://www.newsweek.com/italy-flattens-curve-daily-rise-coronavirus-cases-falls-lowest-rate-1495086 | https://redd.it/fs62fp10:37
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:45 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Buongiorno, mentre eravate via β€” from r/WorldNews at 08:45: McDonald’s will sell bread and milk at restaurant drive-thrus across Australia as supermarket shelves are left bare due to coronavirus panic-buying β†’ https://is.gd/giRorI10:48
kreyrenwhy i WHO even a thing https://linx.li/s/6rhj0sk6.png10:50
BrainstormPhilippines: +538 cases (now 2084), +10 deaths (now 88), +7 recoveries (now 49) β€” Afghanistan: +4 cases (now 174), +3 recoveries (now 5) β€” Alabama, US: +12 cases (now 947)10:50
kreyren*is10:50
tinwhiskersOne is saying video game *addiction* is considered a mental health disorder and the other is saying playing games is a good way to socialise in the current situation. What's the problem?10:52
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:47 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Le misure restrittive verranno estese fino a pasqua, data esatta da decidere. β€” from r/WorldNews at 08:47: McDonald’s will sell bread and milk at restaurant drive-thrus across Australia as supermarket shelves are left bare due to coronavirus panic-buying β†’ https://is.gd/uVzYni10:53
jbjllkhttps://www.cbc.ca/news/world/united-states-pandemic-epicentre-1.5515761'10:58
tinwhiskershttps://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-03-30-20-intl-hnk/h_e3d184969ee949b7200a3361b6010bde10:59
tinwhiskers%title10:59
Brainstormtinwhiskers: From www.cnn.com: US FDA issues limited emergency use authorization for two drugs usually used to treat malaria11:00
tinwhiskersChloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have been approved for use treating covid-1911:00
tinwhiskersWhile there's limited evidence on the efficacy of chloroquine, or hydroxychloroquine, the FDA said the drugs’ benefits outweighed their risk. In its letter, the FDA encouraged randomized clinical trials that could assess the effectiveness of the drugs. It also noted that the known and potential benefits outweigh the risks.11:03
tinwhiskersExcellent news. We can proceed with some real testing now.11:03
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 09:00 UTC: WeWork responds to coronavirus by telling cleaning staff to keep working: An internal document instructs contract employees they must use paid time off or sick leave if they are exposed to Covid-19 β€” from r/WorldNews at 09:00: Coronavirus: UK Home abortions approved during outbreak β†’ https://is.gd/u27Zkx11:06
pwr22<tinwhiskers "Chloroquine and hydroxychloroqui"> By the US?11:18
pwr22Ah yeah, see above11:18
tinwhiskersYeah. Interesting development.11:18
twomoonwhy haven't we been using chloroquinn for influenza11:19
twomoonfor norovirus11:19
twomoonfor rhinovirus11:19
IronYwe needed it to clean pool tanks11:19
pwr22Trump was talking about it being used in trials two days ago?11:19
tinwhiskersMaybe it doesn't work in those11:19
twomoonlol11:19
IronYThis is a public service announcement11:19
IronYDo not drink stuff you clean fish tanks with11:19
tinwhiskersHeh11:19
twomoonoh the irony11:19
eaxomarwater?11:19
BrainstormBelgium: +876 cases (now 12775), +192 deaths (now 705) β€” Afghanistan: +4 cases (now 174), +3 recoveries (now 5) β€” Alabama, US: +12 cases (now 947)11:20
tinwhiskerspwr22: he was, but at the time it wasn't approved and I don't really believe anything he says11:20
twomoonwhat drugs did you buy so far irony11:20
blkshpMorning, who owns covbot pleasE?11:20
IronYtwomoon: nada, I got vitamins and healthy foods11:21
twomoonmeanwhile the governor of nevada still is banning chloroquine11:22
tinwhiskersPresumably IronY doesn't need to take iron supplements with his chloroquine.11:22
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 09:14 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: ONS death toll shows 40 more deaths related to Covid-19 than previous figures β€” from r/WorldNews at 09:14: Domestic violence cases jump 30% during lockdown in France β†’ https://is.gd/z3RsrI11:22
pwr22blkshp: me11:22
twomoonirony you should buy some tamiflu and various antivirals11:22
IronYtwomoon: I have about 3 boxes of different 'tamiflu' type medications11:23
IronYI did stock up on over the counter11:23
twomoonoh ok11:23
tinwhiskerstwomoon: well, they may reverse that decision now in light of the FDA approval. They were arguably correct to ban it up until now.11:23
twomoonwhy was he the only governor banning it11:23
twomoonhe seemed like a far leftist in doing so11:24
pwr22I dunno, assuming the medicine is generally safe11:24
tinwhiskersIt was the correct thing to do at the time. Until the FDA approves something there are dangers and liabilities involved with allowing it11:25
twomoonbut it's not like it was an unknown drug11:25
twomoonit's relatively well known for malaria use11:25
twomoontoxic are certain levels yes11:25
IronYas most things are11:26
tinwhiskersYes, but it was unknown if it might actually cause more harm than good to people suffering from covid-1911:26
twomoonoh i see11:26
tinwhiskersAnd it still is unknown really11:26
IronYas long has it is a method of last resort11:26
IronYi guess11:26
IronYI mean, if it is between death and a hail marry11:26
tinwhiskersBut they have decided the potential benefits outweigh the risks11:26
blkshppwr22: why is it PMing me status updates?11:27
twomooni hope i can use it for norovirus11:27
blkshpCould it stop pming me status updates :D!11:27
twomoonas an antidiarrheal11:27
tinwhiskersNow they can proceed with randomised trials on people with minor cases as well and not just a last resort11:27
tinwhiskersIt may prevent the disease progressing but we didn't know because it was only used in extremely critical cases11:28
eaxomarWe have a large scale study underway in belgium11:28
blkshppwr22: though ultimately if that means any work, don't worry about it, i stated it by Pming in the first place lol11:28
twomoongo belgium11:28
tinwhiskerseaxomar: nice11:28
twomooni bet they're gonna run out of it by the time i have pneumonia11:29
tinwhiskersIt's simple and cheap to make, so dare I say it, but Trump's "it's a game changer" might actually be right. Wtf11:30
eaxomarhe made a very easy bet11:30
eaxomarannounce victory early11:30
twomooni hate how they're delaying what they already know11:30
tinwhiskersTrue11:30
twomoonthey're acting like it's news11:30
twomoonwe knew chloroquine was helpful two months ago11:31
twomoonthree months ago11:31
tinwhiskersWell, it's news that it has been approved and can be properly tested instead of just hearing anecdotes11:31
tinwhiskersWe didn't know that11:31
eaxomarfrom small scale studies though11:31
tinwhiskersIt's been frustrating that it's taken this long but this is good news11:32
tinwhiskersEven the small scale studies are dodgy11:32
eaxomarhow's the testing situation in the us?11:33
eaxomari'm betting even if we find useful antiviral they'll have to be used early11:33
Urchineaxomar: getting less abysmal, afaik11:35
tinwhiskerseaxomar: well they had 20,000 confirmed cases today so they must be running quite a few tests :-)11:35
jbjllkhttps://www.cbc.ca/news/world/germany-coronavirus-death-rate-reasons-1.551381611:35
pwr22<blkshp "pwr22: why is it PMing me status"> It's a matrix bot, on matrix a PM is just a room (which is like a channel) that's private and only has two people. So my guess is you've messaged it before at some point?11:35
eaxomarI mean, here we only test people who exhibit serious symptoms11:36
blkshppwr22 I did, i wanted to do a few locations so didn't want to flood the channel.11:36
IronYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wrin8FYtEo11:36
IronY%title11:36
BrainstormIronY: From www.youtube.com: eevBLAB #72 - BUSTED! Medtronics Open Ventilator FAIL - YouTube11:36
eaxomarwhich may be to late for most effective treatment11:36
IronYeevlog11:36
pwr22It won't be sending announcements very often so hopefully you don't mind it messaging you about a new command being added or something?11:37
pwr22Otherwise, I'll need to add a way for people to tell it to bugger off (which I will do eventually but prioritising other stuff first)11:38
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 09:36 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: India β€” from r/WorldNews at 09:36: Domestic violence cases jump 30% during lockdown in France β†’ https://is.gd/XRTvIu11:38
blkshpNo that's fine mate :) ultimately if people want to tell it to bugger off there's an /ignore feature, this client specifically will ignore only PM if i set it to11:39
jbjllkhttps://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/air-pollution-coronavirus-covid-19-european-space-agency-1.551319011:39
pwr22Ah cool. Eventually it'll have the option for subscribing to updates but it'll only allow "admins" to do so and it'll also have a way to unsub11:40
pwr22And probably a command to go completely silent in a room11:40
pwr22It's the same bot talking to IRC, Matrix, WhatsApp and Telegram so managing a "universal" behaviour is a bit difficult11:41
pwr22Definitely been a fun project though - now I'm getting some GCloud experience out of it too11:41
blkshpeven as a non-dev i could assume that's gonna be tricky lol11:42
mefistofelesalso shows how broken internet communication protocols can be11:42
mefistofeles:P11:42
pwr22mefistofeles: matrix is actually surprisingly good for bridging stuff11:43
pwr22Or rather I should say the bridges that talk matrix are11:43
mefistofelesyeah, I think there are better ways, specially serverless ones11:43
mefistofelesthat makes it much more direct, direct from clients, you know11:43
pwr22Matrix is trying to be a sort of open communication layer for the web11:43
mefistofeleshttps://scuttlebutt.nz/ this is probably my favourite, fwiw11:44
pwr22<mefistofeles "that makes it much more direct, "> I much prefer this to having a client that trys to do it - because I use it on all my devices11:44
pwr22I have all the "normal" messengers for talking to people abstracted away through matrix on my phone11:45
pwr22<mefistofeles "https://scuttlebutt.nz/ this is "> I'll take a look at that in detail a bit later11:45
pwr22There's plans for serverless matrix in future but it's a very pragmatic thing at the moment so a long way to go to get there11:46
mefistofelespwr22: yeah, the key is actually finding a goodd consensus, such as with encrypting algorithms (TLS, OpenSSL, etc.)11:46
mefistofelespwr22: interesting11:46
pwr22https://p2p.riot.im/ is the current proof of concept I think11:46
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 09:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna β€” from r/WorldNews at 09:41: Domestic violence cases jump 30% during lockdown in France β†’ https://is.gd/8Ri78C11:47
mefistofelesok, gotta get back to this mol. biology paper :/11:48
BrainstormRussia: +501 cases (now 2337), +8 deaths (now 17), +55 recoveries (now 121) β€” Afghanistan: +4 cases (now 174), +3 recoveries (now 5) β€” Alabama, US: +12 cases (now 947)11:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 09:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany reports 4,615 new cases as global infections climb β€” from r/WorldNews at 09:44: Domestic violence cases jump 30% during lockdown in France β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB11:51
darsieI heard neighbours shouting yesterday.11:57
aradesh"keep 2 meters away!!!"12:04
aradeshlike that?12:04
BrainstormSpain: +6461 cases (now 94417), +473 deaths (now 8189), +2479 recoveries (now 19259) β€” Iran: +3110 cases (now 44605), +141 deaths (now 2898), +745 recoveries (now 14656) β€” Afghanistan: +4 cases (now 174), +3 recoveries (now 5)12:05
darsieI didn't understand anything.12:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:04 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China to test asymptomatic cases; Iran's new infections jump by 3,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 10:04: Four Zookeepers Self-Isolate At Their Wildlife Park In Cornwall To Ensure The Animals are Looked After During The Coronavirus Lockdown. β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB12:08
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 10:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Mondo β€” from r/WorldNews at 10:12: Coronavirus: Germany to centralize supply chains, set prices on masks, protective gear β†’ https://is.gd/npUSXi12:16
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 10:13 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Spain reports record single-day death toll; World Bank warns of 'unprecedented global shock' β€” from r/WorldNews at 10:13: Coronavirus: Germany to centralize supply chains, set prices on masks, protective gear β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx12:25
Streake_Amazon has a bunch of respirator/masks for sale marked "KN95" - what is KN95? Is it the same as N95?12:35
IronYStreake_: https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/1791500O/comparison-ffp2-kn95-n95-filtering-facepiece-respirator-classes-tb.pdf12:36
IronYlooks like they comply to different countries specs12:38
IronYKN = china, N = USA12:38
dTalMy boss has KN95 masks12:42
dTalquite frankly they look like they suck12:42
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 10:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Economia β†’ https://is.gd/sHgvYP12:45
Streake_Thank you, IronY12:46
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 10:43 UTC: Business: FTSE 100 rallies as China's factories grow after Covid-19 restrictions ease - business live β€” from r/WorldNews at 10:43: Coronavirus: 12 year old Belgian girl becomes youngest to die in Europe β†’ https://is.gd/R6SD0T12:54
IronYdTal: I would assume they call them KN95 to avoid amazon coming down on them but trick the average consume12:58
IronYr12:58
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:54 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China to test asymptomatic cases; Spain's daily death toll hits highest level yet: An official from China's National Health Commission has said that the country is to start testing asymptomatic cases; Spain's numbers of deaths in 24 hours reaches highest level yet. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB12:58
Albrighthttps://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/Oj1CG1kAhqCFuUuXFEjwPg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTM5Ni41NjI1/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/4NEg_4NIVol3KQDMgFSCPA--~B/aD0xMDgwO3c9MTkyMDtzbT0xO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en-US/nbc_news_122/e5a9ddc82ec04b74fd238ed95db34cc6 hmm12:59
IronYhttps://www.theonion.com/psychologists-so-called-dr-fauci-just-a-figment-of-184256381013:03
IronY%title13:03
BrainstormIronY: From www.theonion.com: Psychologists: So-Called β€˜Dr. Fauci’ Just A Figment Of Nation’s Collective Imagination13:03
IronYlol13:03
sewds~corona italy13:21
Flaviker!Ρ†ΠΎΠ²ΠΈΠ΄ ΠΈΡ‚Π°Π»ΡŠ13:22
Flaviker!covid italy13:22
CoronaBotItaly: Global rank: #2, cases: 101,739, fatalities: 11,591, active cases: 75,528, total recovered: 14,620, in a serious condition: 3,981. Mortality: 11.39%, case fatality rate: 44.22%, cases/1M: 1683.0, deaths/1M: 192.0. Case rate: 4,050/day, death rate: 812/day, 1st case: Jan 29.13:22
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 11:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: ONS figures show more deaths related to Covid-19 in England and Wales than previously reported β€” from r/WorldNews at 11:20: Coronavirus: 12 year old Belgian girl becomes youngest to die in Europe β†’ https://is.gd/z3RsrI13:23
adventurerhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-world-live-updates/live-coverage/c6c7a822f71634836962fc631fe0c0ac13:27
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:25 UTC: Countries in lockdown should do what Singapore has done, says coronavirus expert: While the Southeast Asian nation continues to report new cases of infections daily and has seen recent spikes, it has managed to steer clear of the kind of catastrophic outbreaks that have occurred in other countries. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/G8nJAa13:31
BrainstormPortugal: +1035 cases (now 7443) β€” Germany: +1 deaths (now 651), +2324 recoveries (now 15824) β€” Afghanistan: +4 cases (now 174), +3 recoveries (now 5)13:35
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 11:35 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Statistica β€” from r/WorldNews at 11:35: Coronavirus: 12 year old Belgian girl becomes youngest to die in Europe β†’ https://is.gd/zXZhZb13:40
IronY!covid canada13:41
CoronaBotCanada: Global rank: #15, cases: 7,474 (+26), fatalities: 92 (+3), active cases: 6,268, total recovered: 1,114, in a serious condition: 120. Mortality: 1.23%, case fatality rate: 7.63%, cases/1M: 198.0, deaths/1M: 2.0. Case rate: 1,128/day, death rate: 24/day, 1st case: Jan 24.13:41
IronY%data canada13:41
BrainstormIronY: In all areas, Canada, there are 7474 cases, 92 deaths (1.2% of cases), 1114 recoveries as of March 31, 11:26Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming deaths/cases with β…” of cases undetected), and less than 7.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries).13:41
IronYthat makes zero sense13:41
IronY" as of March 31, 11:26Z"13:42
IronYis that just the last time it polled the data, or is that claiming it was the last update, or maybe it is a timezone thing13:42
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 11:38 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Noto che questo modello, come tutti i modelli Γ¨ imperfetto, e rappresenta solo la migliore stima in base ai dati disponibili β€” from r/WorldNews at 11:38: Coronavirus: 12 year old Belgian girl becomes youngest to die in Europe β†’ https://is.gd/FfO6Mj13:44
Biep[m]It seems Brainstorm has stopped reporting world figures?13:45
mefistofelesBiep[m]: maybe? but you can still ask for them13:46
mefistofeles%cases World13:46
Brainstormmefistofeles: In all areas, World, there are 801562 cases, 38760 deaths (4.8% of cases), 172316 recoveries as of March 31, 11:26Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data.13:46
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spirit cancels New York flights, Spain's death toll surges β€” from r/WorldNews at 11:50: Coronavirus: 12 year old Belgian girl becomes youngest to die in Europe β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V913:54
Biep[m]<tinwhiskers "you wash the bleach off. the tin"> Russians have been doing that for ages.  There is a lot of dog cruelty going on in Moscow, but this is not part of it.13:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:54 UTC: Spain's daily death toll hits highest level yet; China to test asymptomatic cases: An official from China's National Health Commission has said that the country is to start testing asymptomatic cases; Spain's numbers of deaths in 24 hours reaches highest level yet. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/XRc8AB14:00
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:02 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spirit cancels New York flights, Spain's death toll surges β€” from r/WorldNews at 12:02: Four zookeepers in Cornwall, UK, decided to self-isolate on the grounds of a wildlife sanctuary to make sure the animals are properly cared for during the coronavirus crisis. β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V914:06
BrainstormNetherlands: +845 cases (now 12595), +175 deaths (now 1039) β€” Bahrain: +52 cases (now 567) β€” Belarus: +1 deaths (now 1)14:09
darsieBread and salad: http://bksys.at/bernhard/temp/IMG_3245.JPG14:10
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:09 UTC: European markets cautiously higher as sentiment buoyed by China data: European markets edged higher on Tuesday, following a positive lead set in Asia after Chinese manufacturing data rebounded in March. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/YqHg0G14:12
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spirit cancels New York flights, Spain's death toll surges β€” from r/WorldNews at 12:28: Four zookeepers in Cornwall, UK, decided to self-isolate on the grounds of a wildlife sanctuary to make sure the animals are properly cared for during the coronavirus crisis. β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V914:31
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 12:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: death toll in England and Wales 40 higher than previously reported, says ONS β€” from r/WorldNews at 12:35: Brazil, SΓ£o Paulo Has 6 Times More Deaths from Coronavirus than China in The First 13 Days. Death toll likely to surpass Italy. β†’ https://is.gd/z3RsrI14:43
python476o/14:47
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spirit cancels New York flights, Spain's death toll surges β€” from r/WorldNews at 12:41: Brazil, SΓ£o Paulo Has 6 Times More Deaths from Coronavirus than China in The First 13 Days. Death toll likely to surpass Italy. β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V914:49
Biep[m]<python476 "lisp, python, clojure, java, js"> Great choice of languages.  `Scheme` is missing, though, unless that is covered under `Lisp`.14:50
python476Biep[m]: exactly14:51
Biep[m]I like you already..14:51
python476<314:52
python476~ and they had multous babies and were great parens ~14:52
ZalyssaI still hate matrix and its quote syntax14:52
python476Zalyssa: no like for IRC ?14:53
Biep[m]# ()14:53
ZalyssaIRC is great14:53
Zalyssamatrix is not14:53
Biep[m]Great parens!14:53
BrainstormAustria: +44 cases (now 9920) β€” Azerbaijan: +25 cases (now 298), +1 deaths (now 5) β€” Bahrain: +52 cases (now 567)14:54
python476helicopter parens14:54
oribaCoronavirus: Science vs. politics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4yZaoA90Jk14:54
IronYtell u one thing, based on the netsplits that matrix bridge has, it sure the hell would not stand up to a SLA lol14:55
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 12:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: World Bank warns of 'unprecedented shock' as global confirmed cases pass 800,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 12:45: Brazil, SΓ£o Paulo Has 6 Times More Deaths from Coronavirus than China in The First 13 Days. Death toll likely to surpass Italy. β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx14:56
Pilot[m]<IronY "tell u one thing, based on the n"> State Level Adversary?14:57
Biep[m]<Zalyssa "I still hate matrix and its quot"> No doubt you'd prefer fully parenthesised syntax..14:57
IronYPilot[m]: sorry I need more context I am assuming that was miles ago in the backlog15:00
JigsyWhich country was predicting millions of deaths?15:05
JigsyAmerica?15:05
JigsyOr was it Ireland?15:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:49 UTC: (news): Belarus' president dismisses coronavirus risk, encourages citizens to drink vodka and visit saunas β€” from r/WorldNews at 12:49: Brazil, SΓ£o Paulo Has 6 Times More Deaths from Coronavirus than China in The First 13 Days. Death toll likely to surpass Italy. β†’ https://is.gd/fJQ6Ep15:08
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:07 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spirit cancels New York flights, Spain's death toll surges β€” from r/WorldNews at 13:07: Brazil, SΓ£o Paulo Has 6 Times More Deaths from Coronavirus than China in The First 13 Days. Death toll likely to surpass Italy. β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V915:14
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:29 UTC: How the coronavirus crisis could establish China as a global leader: The coronavirus crisis could be the "opportunity of the century" for China to cement its place as a global power, a professor told CNBC. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/4swZCa15:33
BrainstormArgentina: +1 deaths (now 25) β€” Austria: +98 cases (now 9974) β€” Azerbaijan: +25 cases (now 298), +1 deaths (now 5)15:39
aradeshi was just thinking - when people complain that covid-19 isn't any more dangerous than the flu, because so many people have it that haven't been tested, which if they pick a big enough number of cases, makes the fatality rate drop seem to miss the point that: the fatality rate determined for the flu is done in precisely the same way... tests are only going to be done, or people considered to have the flu,15:39
aradeshwill only be done in cases wher ethey have either gone to hospital or the doctors with serious symptoms...15:39
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spirit cancels New York flights, Spain's death toll surges β€” from r/WorldNews at 13:35: Europe sells medicine to Tehran in first bypass of US sanctions, as Iran grapples with coronavirus outbreak β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V915:39
AimHerearadesh, there is that. Also it kindof misses the point, in that hospitals generally aren't completely overrun with Flu patients to breaking point.15:42
AimHereWhether it's because the incidence in the general population is high, or the hospitalization rate is high doesn't much matter15:42
AimHereUnless the case you're making is 'I don't care, it's not going to kill me, probably'15:43
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:38 UTC: European markets cautiously higher as sentiment buoyed by China data: European markets edged higher on Tuesday, following a positive lead set in Asia after Chinese manufacturing data rebounded in March. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/YqHg0G15:45
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Four zookeepers in Cornwall, UK, decided to self-isolate on the grounds of a wildlife sanctuary to make sure the animals are properly cared for during the coronavirus crisis. (6009 votes)15:45
CoronaBothttps://metro.co.uk/2020/03/31/zookeepers-self-isolate-animal-park-keep-fed-12482164/ | https://redd.it/fsb0vs15:45
bn_mobileapologies, but going to ask this again as I am still wondering:  If the US has a shortage of test kits, how have they confirmed ~160k cases?15:51
IronYbecause compared to their population 160k of tests is still a shortage15:51
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:48 UTC: (news): 'Opportunity of the century': How the coronavirus crisis could establish China as a global leader β€” from r/WorldNews at 13:48: Europe sells medicine to Tehran in first bypass of US sanctions, as Iran grapples with coronavirus outbreak β†’ https://is.gd/4swZCa15:51
oxalisbecause the US has~160k politicians+celebrities15:54
IronYoxalis: actually most of the us celebs that got tested did not get tested in the US15:56
oxalisI guess reverse medical tourism is a thing15:56
IronYin the states it kinda always was i believe15:56
IronYoxalis: 160k tests on 327.2 million people15:57
IronY== shortage of tests15:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spirit cancels New York flights, Spain's death toll surges β€” from r/WorldNews at 13:54: MPs demand 'Army-style' compensation for NHS workers who die from COVID-19 β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V915:58
euod[m]IronY: well they got tested by private labs which can’t report numbers to the CDC.16:01
IronYeuod[m]: most of them were also on location in another country16:01
IronYre Tom Hanks, Rita Wislon, The dude from lost (still the states technically, but non continental)16:02
euod[m]so the number of tested is probably marginally, or significantly higher. who knows.16:02
python476is trump ded yet ?16:03
IronYyou better hope trump does not die, it would be a global catastrophe, if the person everyone just hated to hate up and died they would have to start hating each other again16:04
Birosso%cases us16:04
BrainstormBirosso: In all areas, US, there are 164665 cases, 3177 deaths (1.9% of cases), 5507 recoveries as of March 31, 13:49Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.16:04
Birosso160k already? O.O16:05
AimHereIt'll be 180 before the day is out16:06
IronYWatching numbers go up and being surprised is overrated at this point16:06
IronYI have become numb16:06
AimHereI managed some big number surprise today16:07
AimHereBelgium and Netherlands have big, big, spikes in deaths16:07
IronYI learned NY counted for 20% of the total deaths of the us16:07
IronYi guess that was surprising16:07
AimHereBelgium went from ~60 to 192, and Netherlands went from 90 to 175.16:07
AimHereIronY, closer to 40%16:08
IronYjesus16:08
IronYYeah, I dunno, this is like cable tv time shifting16:08
IronYthe number jumps, the news headlines, etc etc16:08
IronYjust go from country to country16:08
AimHereThat's just because they're first. Other cities will follow, starting with New Orleans16:08
IronYLike for example Australia seems to be 2 weeks behind us in news headlines16:08
IronYand we are 2 weeks behind the states I would imagine16:09
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 14:00 UTC: Coronavirus: UK considers virus-tracing app to ease lockdown: Study describes how app would alert citizens if someone they came into contact with tests positive. β€” from r/WorldNews at 14:00: MPs demand 'Army-style' compensation for NHS workers who die from COVID-19 β†’ https://is.gd/yJE4G616:10
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spirit cancels New York flights, Spain's death toll surges β€” from r/WorldNews at 14:09: MPs demand 'Army-style' compensation for NHS workers who die from COVID-19 β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V916:16
IronY%data spain16:16
BrainstormIronY: In all areas, Spain, there are 94417 cases, 8189 deaths (8.7% of cases), 19259 recoveries as of March 31, 14:03Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data.16:16
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Germany will test 200,000 people a day for coronavirus in bid to replicate South Korea's success in slowing the outbreak (5043 votes)16:21
CoronaBothttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8166599/Germany-test-200-000-people-DAY-coronavirus.html | https://redd.it/fs897m16:22
BrainstormArgentina: +1 deaths (now 25) β€” Australia: +4 cases (now 4561) β€” Austria: +143 cases (now 10019)16:24
LjLryouma> LjL: is there a choose your language button on the amazon page? ← there is at least on amazon.de and amazon.com16:26
Urchinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV72c3l_0jo16:37
IronY%title16:37
BrainstormIronY: From www.youtube.com: New England Journal Paper - YouTube16:37
bn_mobileeuod[m]: I was thinking the same thing, because of "non-official" results.  It kinda makes me wonder how accurate they are though.... I mean heck, even the CDC (an agency that focuses solely on infectious diseases) couldn't get it right initially16:37
BrainstormGermany: +1129 cases (now 68180), +31 deaths (now 682) β€” Argentina: +2 deaths (now 26) β€” Australia: +4 cases (now 4561)16:39
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US coronavirus death toll higher than 9/11 attacks, airlines to consolidate routes β€” from r/WorldNews at 14:38: Hope for coronavirus sufferers as five critically ill patients are saved in the space of 12 days after being treated with former carriers' blood β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V916:41
bn_mobilehow the f is germany able to test 500k per *week*??  and they want to ramp it up to 200k per *day*?? O_O16:44
IronYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMSgoppbXiU16:44
IronYDont drink isprop...16:44
IronY%title16:44
BrainstormIronY: From www.youtube.com: YouTube16:44
bn_mobilemeanwhile in USA:  "where are me tests??" :facepalm:16:45
Urchinbn_mobile: lots of decentralized institutions and commercial entities doing the testing16:45
python476man I can't even do a proper solder job ~_~16:47
python476survivalism will have to wait for meh16:47
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 14:44 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The University of Washington has published a model which purports to predict outbreak peak and best/worst case scenarios (with indicators for demand on ICU beds and ventilators) for the US and each state individually. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/Zq3yk116:47
aradeshoof... 400 UK deaths in 24 hours16:48
aradeshso much for levelling off16:48
python476to fight off diseases brits decided to fuck a lot nation-wide16:49
Urchinaradesh: death rate reduction lags 3 weeks behind quarantine institution16:50
UrchinUK started when? few days ago?16:50
aradeshabout 8 days16:51
aradeshpython476: nice16:51
Urchinaradesh: so you can expect the number of deaths to keep increasing for close to two weeks as a consequences of late action16:51
aradeshthough16:52
aradeshit depends how long the people who were testing 1 week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks ago had had the virus for16:52
aradeshin other countries stats, i think we'ves tarted to see some linearising of their infection rates after about 1 week of strong quarantining16:52
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 14:48 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Iss siamo al plateau, ora dobbiamo iniziare la discesa β€” from r/WorldNews at 14:48: Frightened and angry Canadian doctors are talking frankly about walking off the job if they don’t have the proper protective equipment to treat coronavirus patients without risking infecting themselves. β†’ https://is.gd/osjrTk16:53
Urchinaradesh: yes, but the average effect on the death rate will be seen at the average time of progression from infection to death16:54
BrainstormUS: +648 cases (now 165392), +19 deaths (now 3182), +37 recoveries (now 5544) β€” Argentina: +2 deaths (now 26) β€” Australia: +4 cases (now 4561)16:54
danielp3344%data maryland16:55
Brainstormdanielp3344: In Maryland, US, there are 1660 cases, 18 deaths (1.1% of cases), 0 recoveries as of March 31, 14:48Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.16:55
Urchinaradesh: the linearization after a week is the average time between infection and onset of symptoms16:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:56 UTC: (news): Belarus' president dismisses coronavirus risk, encourages citizens to drink vodka and visit saunas [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/fJQ6Ep17:00
euod[m]bn_mobile: ot17:03
euod[m]bn_mobile: it's pretty clear at this point that most countries are either intentionally misrepresenting data, or just outright lying. which complicates this even further.17:03
bn_mobileeuod[m]: I'm wondering about the veracity of the source, dailymail.co.uk isn't the most reputable newsource and is more of a gossip column but it seems that particular came through AFP17:05
euod[m]bn_mobile: in most countries, you can't even get tested if you have severe symptoms. in Australia the requirement is a high fever, and contact with someone else confirmed to have covid-19. this ensures the numbers stay low, intentional or not.17:06
bn_mobiles/particular/article/17:06
euod[m]we don't need newspapers to tell us.17:06
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:02 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: More Americans died from coronavirus than 9/11 attacks, airlines to consolidate routes [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V917:06
euod[m]https://www.thermh.org.au/patients-visitors/coming-hospital/covid-19-patient-screening-clinic17:06
euod[m]we will only screen you if you have a fever of 38, AND you've traveled overseas, OR you've had contact with someone confirmed to be positive.17:07
euod[m]the requirements seem to be intentionally vague. is it (a + b) or c, or a + (b or c)?17:07
euod[m]due to hypochondriacs, lack of materials, or malice, the end result is the same. severely lowered number of positive tests, because we know transmission is happening outside of those requirements.17:09
BrainstormUnited Kingdom: +3009 cases (now 25150) β€” Argentina: +2 deaths (now 26) β€” Australia: +4 cases (now 4561)17:09
Biep[m]!cases world17:15
CovBotIn World there have been a total of 809,659 cases as of 2020-03-31 15:04:00 UTC. Of these 597,574 (73.8%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 172,515 (21.3%) have definitely recovered and 39,570 (4.9%) have died.17:15
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:11 UTC: (news): FEMA is sending 250 ambulances, hundreds of medical workers and 85 refrigerated trucks to NYC to fight coronavirus outbreak [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/37q3k017:18
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: More Americans died from coronavirus than 9/11 attacks, airlines to consolidate routes β€” from r/WorldNews at 15:17: Two men killed on rural Alberta road were hunting to feed their families after COVID-19 layoffs β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V917:24
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 15:32 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: La conferenza stampa della protezione civile inizierΓ  alle 18 β€” from r/WorldNews at 15:32: Two men killed on rural Alberta road were hunting to feed their families after COVID-19 layoffs β†’ https://is.gd/6oifGO17:37
jacklsw%data malaysia17:38
BrainstormUS: +822 cases (now 166214), +10 deaths (now 3192) β€” Florida, US: +634 cases (now 6338), +6 deaths (now 77) β€” Argentina: +2 deaths (now 26)17:38
Brainstormjacklsw: In all areas, Malaysia, there are 2766 cases, 43 deaths (1.6% of cases), 537 recoveries as of March 31, 15:31Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with β…” of cases undetected), and less than 7.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries).17:38
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:40 UTC: /u/slakmehl: This comes at the same time his brother, governor Andrew Cuomo, announces 75,000 cases have been detected in New York. β€” from r/WorldNews at 15:40: Two men killed on rural Alberta road were hunting to feed their families after COVID-19 layoffs β†’ https://is.gd/PWJjWR17:43
euod[m]FEMA sent 85 freezer trucks to NY. they estimate 40 bodies fit in each truck. so their expected death rate in the immediate future is over 3400 + 900 (existing space).17:44
Guest2425%data united states17:47
BrainstormGuest2425: In all areas, US, there are 166214 cases, 3192 deaths (1.9% of cases), 5544 recoveries as of March 31, 15:31Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.17:47
AtqueTook her out, it was a Friday night. The police tackled me, because of coronavirus laws. I started making out. Then, they fined me again. That's about the time I sneezed on the police. No one likes coronavirus.17:49
JigsyApparently someone in the UK got a summons for buying non-essential groceries.17:49
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 15:45 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito β€” from r/WorldNews at 15:45: Two men killed on rural Alberta road were hunting to feed their families after COVID-19 layoffs β†’ https://is.gd/KZUhkO17:49
AtqueJigsy: It is fucking bullshit, man.17:51
IronYI wish I could just have an army of 10 year old super immune system equipped kids do my errands17:53
IronYI would totally be like, here random gang of youths, here is the keys to my car, come back with all of these items17:53
pynaok we hit 9/11 numbers today - my unscience prediction was for thursday17:53
IronY9/11 was 3000 no?17:54
pynayeah17:54
IronY:?17:54
IronY:?17:54
IronYgrr17:54
MinceRJigsy: where did they summon them to?17:54
IronY:/ that is17:54
BrainstormUS: +8470 cases (now 174684), +208 deaths (now 3400), +666 recoveries (now 6210) β€” New York, US: +8470 cases (now 75795), +208 deaths (now 1550) β€” Argentina: +2 deaths (now 26), +12 recoveries (now 240)17:54
JigsyMinceR: Court summons.17:54
IronYJigsy: that would imply you had a definition of non essential groceries17:54
MinceRinteresting how social distancing doesn't apply to court :>17:54
IronYdo you?!17:54
JigsyI have a feeling it was dropped though, since an ex-judge chewed out the police.17:54
IronYMinceR: it does, the court cases probably wont be heard until afterwards (as per canada, no idea on the uk)(17:55
IronYwe even let most of our non violent offenders out17:55
MinceR:>17:55
IronY2020, everyone gets sick, 2021 - everyone goes to court17:55
MinceRno, only the survivors :>17:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:52 UTC: (news): Dr. Anthony Fauci sees 'glimmers' that social distancing is 'dampening' coronavirus outbreak β€” from r/WorldNews at 15:52: MIT researcher says droplets carrying coronavirus can travel up to 27 feet. β†’ https://is.gd/Kyxi9W17:55
Urchinpyna: you mean 9/11 numbers in absolute, not per day?17:55
MrtnDk[m]<Atque "Jigsy: It is fucking bullshit, m"> Your language seems a bit agitated, are you upset about something?17:56
pynayeah absolute17:56
AtqueMrtnDk[m]: Yeah, they made it illegal to go outside your house in Australia basically.17:56
pynafigured it would be more of a "milestone" than it seems to be being taken on the news17:56
euod[m]"essentia" is sort of blurry.17:56
jacklsw->17:57
AtqueMrtnDk[m]: You can only go outside to buy essential goods or services or for work where you cannot work from home.17:57
euod[m]is a bit of wire essential? usually no, but if it's fixing my heater, it is.17:57
AtqueMrtnDk[m]: It's a fine of several thousand dollars and up to six months in prison for noncompliance.17:57
MrtnDk[m]<Atque "Mrtn Dk: Yeah, they made it ille"> That's nice.17:57
MrtnDk[m]<IronY "I wish I could just have an army"> Kids are not immune. Noone is immune.17:58
IronYMrtnDk[m]: Kids are not immune, but no one under 10 has be admitted in this country17:58
MrtnDk[m]I started using up the space in front of my front door, since I'm going nowhere anyway.17:58
IronYso yes17:58
IronYI would like an army of 10 year olds17:58
MrtnDk[m]<Atque "Mrtn Dk: It's a fine of several "> Is that really necessary in Australia?17:58
aradeshi hear they have mandatory masks in the czech republic17:59
AtqueMrtnDk[m]: I don't think it is necessary in Australia at this stage.17:59
euod[m]point being that it doesn't matter if it's needed "now" or not.18:06
euod[m]the earlier you do it, the better off you are.18:06
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:01 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Much-needed supplies head to NYC, virus shock pushing global growth to zero β€” from r/WorldNews at 16:01: Just three ventilators to cope with Covid-19 in Central African Republic - a country with population of 4.7 million people. β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V918:08
bn_mobileyou made out with the police?  :)  j/k  Atque :  how far were you from your home?18:08
BrainstormLombardia, Italy: +381 cases (now 7199), +548 deaths (now 10885) β€” Algeria: +132 cases (now 716), +9 deaths (now 44) β€” Argentina: +2 deaths (now 26), +12 recoveries (now 240)18:09
BrainstormNew from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 16:11 UTC: MINISTERO DELLE INFRASTRUTTURE E DEI TRASPORTI - DECRETO 12 febbraio 2020: Imposizione di oneri di servizio pubblico sulle rotte Comiso  -  RomaFiumicino e viceversa, Comiso - Milano Linate e viceversa,  Comiso  -Milano Malpensa e  viceversa,  Comiso  -  Bergamo  Orio  al  Serio  eviceversa. (20A01823) β†’ https://is.gd/g8fQLu18:14
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Much-needed supplies head to NYC, virus shock pushing global growth to zero β€” from r/WorldNews at 16:17: Nurse suicides rise in Europe amid stress of COVID-19 pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/WZl7V918:20
IronY^ called the suicide rate 3 weeks ago :/18:22
IronYOne of those things I would of rather been wrong on18:22
pokiehlYikes, people are so afraid they're killing themselves now?18:22
IronYnurses man18:23
IronYthat is not fear18:23
IronYthat is stress18:23
newbie-chan^18:23
IronYthe general populations suicide will start after this18:23
IronYwhen people realized they lived through it but lost all their wealth and jobs18:23
IronYsadly18:23
StreakerI'm just surprised doctors and nurses aren't refusing to go to work.18:24
BrainstormItaly: +4053 cases (now 105792), +837 deaths (now 12428), +1109 recoveries (now 15729) β€” Algeria: +132 cases (now 716), +9 deaths (now 44), +9 recoveries (now 46) β€” Argentina: +2 deaths (now 26), +12 recoveries (now 240)18:24
StreakerThey're risking their lives. Especially the older ones.18:24
IronYdoctors basically gave an oath to such effect18:24
IronYon the same page with nurses18:24
StreakerAnd they won't get anything for it. At the most a "Thank you".18:24
IronYStreaker: according to a recent Brainstorm headline, UK MPs are trying to get them military benefits in case of death18:25
IronYwhich I would assume is a payout to family18:25
bn_mobileuhm, the worse isn't even mentioned in the article linked by https://is.gd/WZl7V918:26
IronY(for healthcare workers)18:26
bn_mobiles/worse/word "nurse"/18:26
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 16:23 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Aggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 31 Marzo β€” from r/WorldNews at 16:23: Nurse suicides rise in Europe amid stress of COVID-19 pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/7DoyMt18:26
bn_mobileStreaker:  some already are in French Canada18:27
pwr22It's somewhat concerning that all the UK briefings for the last few days have been very much the political B team18:28
IronYpwr22: isent the political A team suffering covid18:28
bn_mobiledamnit, no bot does regex replaces here? :/18:28
IronYbn_mobile: MrNodeBot does, but he be muted ;)18:28
pwr22<IronY "pwr22: isent the political A tea"> Yeah, that's the issue18:28
IndoAnonanyone get vid like https://files.catbox.moe/ntox8k.mp4 again ?18:29
IronYpwr22: the crown prince seemed to kick the covid in 7 days18:29
pwr22What is it?18:29
IronYgive em a week I guess18:29
bn_mobileI kinda wish irccloud did that automatically, ie: just delayed input for a configurable amount of time to allow for "oops s///" because my brain always moves faster than my typing , lol   ... but they shot down that enhancement request :(18:30
pwr22<IronY "pwr22: the crown prince seemed t"> I imagine he just had his entire blood supply replaced by a doner who's beat it 😁18:30
pwr22Unlimited resources and all that18:31
IronYLOL18:31
IronYI had the same thought ;)18:31
pwr22None of that plasma stuff for Charles18:31
pwr22Full on vampire mode18:31
pwr22Hmm, come to think of it he does kind of have a dracula vibe going on18:31
pwr22<bn_mobile "I kinda wish irccloud did that a"> If everyone switches to matrix then you can acutally edit messages18:32
IronYirc has been around since 1988, the reason we use it versus all of the new alternatives is because its been around since 198818:35
IronYotherwise we would all be having this convo on something like discord18:35
bin_bashno thanks18:36
bin_bashirc is perfect18:36
Zalyssahard pass18:36
Zalyssaediting messages is bad18:36
IronYI wonder how much slack/discord code is just IRCD18:37
BrainstormUS: +919 cases (now 175669), +22 deaths (now 3424), +26 recoveries (now 6241) β€” Pennsylvania, US: +689 cases (now 4843), +12 deaths (now 63) β€” Arizona, US: +132 cases (now 1289), +4 deaths (now 24)18:37
IronYdiscord = ircd + electron + ffmpeg basically18:37
bin_bashslack took the irc protocol and then basically violated its best features18:38
IronY^18:38
bin_bashslack is an abomination18:39
IronYI work for a software company that uses fucking teams18:39
bin_bashit's useful in work-contexts but an embarrassment to its parenthood18:39
IronYI will say, I prefer the abomination that is slack over the abomination that is teams18:39
bin_bashwell it's better than teams18:39
bin_bashi'll say that18:39
IronY^18:39
IronYteams = msn messenger with none of the hot local singles18:40
bin_bashlolol18:40
bin_bashand more memory leaks18:40
bn_mobilebin_bash:   ... and added new dumb ones like "Drafts"18:40
bin_bashbn_mobile: YES18:40
bin_bashand fucking threads18:40
bin_bashand centralized logging *puke*18:40
IronYI think for nostalgia I am going to see what the covid chat scene is like on dalnet18:42
bn_mobilebin_bash: it's all part of their big brother acronym:  Searchable Log of All Conversation and Knowledge  lol18:42
bin_bashsounds about right18:42
bn_mobileonly reason companies get it is to control info18:43
IronYRSS Slashdot β†’ ☺ msmash β†’ Zoom Meetings Aren't End-to-End Encrypted, Despite Misleading Marketing β†’ βš“18:43
IronYrelevant to our current chat18:43
bin_bashdid people think zoom was e2e?18:44
bn_mobilejust what the world needs:  another video conferencing startup18:44
euod[m]their marketing suggests it.18:44
IronYsupposedly the marketing material suggested it18:44
euod[m]though technically, it would be hard for zoom to be because they're obviously doing re-encoding.18:44
IronYeuod[m]: SInce they opened it up for people for free during covid18:44
IronYour paid zoom services take 8 hours for a render18:45
IronYas in, if we decide to record the movie, zoom does not transcode it to a file for 8 hoursish18:45
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:38 UTC: CNN host Chris Cuomo, brother of NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo, has coronavirus: Chris Cuomo, the CNN anchor who is the brother of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, has been diagnosed with the coronavirus, he announced Tuesday. Chris Cuomo's disclosure came as his brother briefed reporters on the increasing numbers of COVID-19 in New [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/Oaa5Dj18:45
euod[m]they do it for the live calls, as people clearly end up with differing video quality.18:45
euod[m]ie on a phone it's very low bitrate, and high on a normal device.18:45
IronYthey need some middle out compression18:45
euod[m]zoom is, and always has been an absolute nightmare.18:47
euod[m]it's awful to use, it's basically malware. terrible combination.18:47
IronYeuod[m]: the real mind fuck is why we use xoom meetings and teams instead of team video meetings18:47
IronYzoom*18:47
euod[m]how should I know. i think "calls" in general at companies are a huge waste of time.18:47
euod[m]they've never been useful to me, in any situation.18:48
hazel93im more of a put guy myself18:48
IronYeuod[m]: I normally agree18:48
IronYeuod[m]: given the circumstance there is some value to hearing other peoples voices occasionally18:49
IronYI actually oddly look forward to my daily standup at this point18:49
euod[m]if you want to be paying like $5000 an hour in wages to have a bunch of people ask if their microphones are working or not, maybe look at what the value of it actually is.18:49
IronYthere are people from the UK and NYC in it18:49
euod[m]yeah, so call it "social club" not "standup" or whatever.18:49
IronYfun story, one of the guys on my team from the UK is named chris whitty18:50
IronYthe Uks health dude is named chris whitty, he was confirmed positive the other day18:50
IronYso this dude woke up to 120 facebook messages18:50
IronYfrom people in he had not talked to since high school18:50
IronYboth congratulating him on becoming a minister of health, and wishing him luck with his diagnosis18:50
IronYthat must of been a fucked up thing to wake up to lol18:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:46 UTC: (news): Gov. Cuomo says coronavirus is 'more dangerous' than expected as New York cases jump 14% overnight to 75,795 [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/oVXdpN18:51
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Coronavirus: 12 year old Belgian girl becomes youngest to die in Europe (5133 votes)18:53
CoronaBothttp://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-girl-12-becomes-youngest-known-person-to-die-in-europe-11966171 | https://redd.it/fsaihy18:53
jhammonsPretty good regional map for Travis county: http://www.austintexas.gov/COVID1918:54
pynai sure wish there were better local maps for my dumb city18:55
oxalisSpeaking of Travis Co, Commissioners Court just annouced that the RR 620 expansion just got canceled18:56
aradeshpyna: how's openstreetmap.org?18:56
pynacovid cases, not maps in general18:57
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:56 UTC: /u/slakmehl: ABC News Politics su Twitter: "BREAKING: United Kingdom records its highest number of daily coronavirus deaths, with 381 people losing their lives in the last 24 hoursβ€”double the number of deaths reported Monday. The U.K.'s death toll now stands at 1,789. https://t.co/YXnZBS5xTJ… https://t.co/tH1aUJqL8E" β†’ https://is.gd/9QxR9z18:58
pynaok there's a "by zip code" map on a .gov now18:58
oxalisoh, man! P'ville is a cesspool!18:58
pyna:( plenty in my neighborhood https://www.phila.gov/programs/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/the-citys-response/monitoring-and-testing/18:59
oxalisI heard cheesesteak makes you immune18:59
pynai hope not, i've lived here most of my life and never had one18:59
oxalisoh, you're doomed!19:00
aradeshmillions of plants to be thrown away from gardening stores19:01
aradeshno one been buying them, for obvious reasons19:01
oxalisI'd legit buy some herba19:01
oxalisherbs*19:01
oxalisI need some basil19:01
pynasilent spring19:01
aradeshUK had a 19 year old die, who had no underlying health problems19:02
ranaassad337[m]Earth is going to end brothersπŸ˜₯19:03
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 17:01 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Inaugurato oggi l'ospedale Covid in Fiera di Milano . ConterΓ  200 posti di terapia intensiva. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/K7nyM419:04
ranaassad337[m]If anyone want to donate for the charity..then he can donate here..plz help others in this bad situation and forward this to other..19:07
ranaassad337[m]https://bit.ly/3beF0yt19:07
BrainstormUS: +849 cases (now 176518), +7 deaths (now 3431) β€” Turkey: +2704 cases (now 13531), +46 deaths (now 214), +81 recoveries (now 243) β€” Georgia (US), US: +785 cases (now 3817), +6 deaths (now 108)19:07
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 17:06 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Inaugurato oggi l'ospedale Covid in Fiera di Milano . β€” from r/WorldNews at 17:06: The Chinese government insists that the death toll from the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan is 2,535. But last week, 5,000 urns were delivered to a single Wuhan crematorium in just two days. The crematorium is one of seven in Wuhan. β†’ https://is.gd/Vvr8dX19:10
aradeshi wonder what kind of measures hungary are taking for coronavirus19:10
aradeshseems they have 15 fatalities and about 500 cases19:11
redlegionranaassad337[m]: Earth will flourish for a very long time, even if we eliminate ourselves with nuclear arms.19:11
aradeshnews search only complains about the emergency powers their president has, rather than telling me about any of their measures...19:11
jpicazoh[m]Are we having the power shut off this week19:13
aradeshin hungary?19:13
jpicazoh[m]Idk us19:14
ranaassad337[m]redlegion : yes you are rightπŸ˜”19:15
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:11 UTC: Watch live: New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy holds a press conference on the coronavirus outbreak: New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy is holding a press conference on the COVID-19 outbreak, which has infected more than 16,636 people in the state as of Tuesday. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/LDn6ES19:16
euod[m]jpicazoh: I doubt it.19:21
euod[m]nuclear power stations have already been doing things like housing all of their employees in isolation literally at the facility.19:21
dTalthat's extremely smart19:22
dTalmy employer has done the same19:22
dTalthere's still an infection vector though, in that you have to feed them19:22
dTaland it only takes one, and the lid is blown off19:22
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:19 UTC: (news): Cuomo says coronavirus is 'more dangerous' than expected as New York cases jump 14% overnight to 75,795 [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/oVXdpN19:22
euod[m]dTal: army rations? I don't know.19:23
euod[m]people don't need a lot of food if yo don't care about comfort.19:23
dTalyou don't need army rations19:23
dTalyou need to have planned it all in advance19:23
dTalI'm sure there's plenty of freezers and whatnot to store the food in19:24
euod[m]point of army rations is they don't need it.19:24
euod[m]you have a single bag, it has everything you need for a period.19:24
euod[m]easy to account for versus a fridge with a whole bison in it.19:24
dTalpoint is if they were smart enough to buy enough army rations for all their workers for a month, they might as well have bought a bunch of frozen veg and stuck it in the canteen freezers19:25
dTalthe problem is not "nowhere to put the food" or "lack of preperation facilities", which is the problem army rations solve19:25
dTalthe problem is "no food"19:25
euod[m]a freezer full of food doesn't actually get you that far.19:26
euod[m]think about how many people are involved in running a nuclear power station.19:26
dTalI assume a nuclear power plant has a canteen19:26
Arsaneritdoes "overnight" mean between evening and morning or in 24 hours?19:27
dTalwhich is presumably scaled such that it can operate for more than a day without a food truck19:27
aradeshjpicazoh[m]: no, your power shouldn't be turning off.19:27
JigsyI wonder if out of date food in a nuclear power plant cafeteria goes critical.19:27
euod[m]no, only pound cakes.19:28
euod[m]oddly enough you can't eat brazil nuts at a nuclear power station.19:28
IronSnout%data Colombia19:29
BrainstormIronSnout: In all areas, Colombia, there are 798 cases, 14 deaths (1.8% of cases), 15 recoveries as of March 31, 17:18Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Colombia for time series data.19:29
LjLGood lord, some people/media probably think they *are* the police... A whole rant article yelling that "physical activity" which is allowed within 300m of your home doesn't mean "sport", doesn't mean "running" or "jogging", but only a short walk. Are they going to tell me the speed I can't exceed? What is it 4km/h? 5?19:29
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Europe sells medicine to Tehran in first bypass of US sanctions, as Iran grapples with coronavirus outbreak (5117 votes)19:29
CoronaBothttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/coronavirus-iran-tehran-medicine-us-sanctions-news-a9437961.html | https://redd.it/fsbwqt19:29
euod[m]supposedly brazil nuts are radioactive enough to be detectable.19:29
euod[m]LjL: probably good reason for it to only be walking. now would be the worst time in the world to break your wrist or something.19:30
euod[m]LjL: I know someone who got bit in the face by a dog. that's a disaster because entirely the issue of, well now it's time to go get sewed up at a hospital and potentially expose yourself.19:32
LjLeuod[m]: rest assured you can break your wrist by walking too... But sure, hospitals should be avoided19:33
Urchineuod[m]: so are bananas19:33
euod[m]brazil nuts are funny because they're the only recorded food allergy that can be sexually transmitted.19:34
dTal...what19:35
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 17:27 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: NHS to get thousands of new ventilators 'next week', as death toll rises to 1,789 β€” from r/WorldNews at 17:27: China Reopens Markets Selling Bats, Pangolins After COVID-19 Effect Dips β†’ https://is.gd/z3RsrI19:35
euod[m]though the research paper on that was cut short because the under graduates which "discovered" this broke up before they could do more testing :)19:35
LjLBut there has to be a minimum of balance between lockdown and ensuring people don't go crazy or die from causes related to the lockdown. I saw a surreal video yesterday of a German doctor, recorded on march 18, saying they'd see at most 30 deaths a day which was negligible, and what was absurd was the lockdown measures killing people in terms of suicide, depression, loss of jobs and sustainance... Now I think that was a denial of obvious reality, but I also do 19:35
LjLthink that those are very real concerns19:35
euod[m]dTal: http://www.jiaci.org/issues/vol17issue03/10.pdf "Dangerous Liaison: Sexually Transmitted Allergic Reaction to Brazil Nuts"19:36
dTaleuod[m]: it would appear that the *allergen* can be detected in semen. The *allergy*, however, can't be transmitted19:36
dTalbig difference19:36
dTalthe way you phrased it I thought I could catch brazil nut allergy from raw dogging some bird19:36
euod[m]dTal: yes. I described that poorly in hind sight.19:36
aradeshi managed to get a supermarket delivery for once19:36
aradeshdue on sunday19:37
LjLArsanerit: hurray19:38
LjLAradesh sorry19:38
aradesh^^19:38
pynado they really just call them "nuts" in brazil19:38
euod[m]LjL: I'm fairly sure that the comments about social distancing will cause more suicides than deaths from corvid-19 are suspect. a lot of that was being repeated in US news as a justification for people wanting to "restart the economy". I've no doubt there's some sort of effect, though.19:38
dTalyou're "fairly sure" than millions of people will commit suicide from social distancing?19:39
euod[m]me? the opposite.19:39
dTalOh right, I misread19:40
pynagrocery delivery is all completely overstressed in my area but there's places doing pickup, so that's my plan when i run out of supplies19:40
Arsanerit"comments about social distancing" cause more suicides than "social distancing"?19:40
dTalApologies19:40
AimHereOn average 132 US suicides per day. Coronavirus is currently killing more people than that19:40
ArsaneritOh, no.  I also misread.19:40
Biep[m]<redlegion "ranaassad337: Earth will flouris"> Maybe *especially if..*19:40
euod[m]Arsanerit: er comments about social distancing causing more suicides than the virus will cause in deaths.19:40
ArsaneritHow many people die less due to the flu because they die of COVID-19 instead?19:40
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 17:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: UK must go 'further, faster' to increase testing capacity β€” from r/WorldNews at 17:38: China Reopens Markets Selling Bats, Pangolins After COVID-19 Effect Dips β†’ https://is.gd/P6jB3B19:41
redlegionBiep[m]: you ain't wrong tho19:41
euod[m]yeah well, that will have an impact. you'll see less deaths due to "cancer" because they were taken by covid-19 instead.19:41
LjLeuod[m]: yes well I agree, I support the lockdown. Only the concerns are genuine, and people just don't feel mentally great when there is something so scary around AND they can't do a minimum of... seeing the sun... I think the priority is stopping Covid but is really someone jogging for 20 min at 6am more of a risk factor than the horridly long supermarket queues? And I keep saying supermarkets should be closed and a large effort be made for deliveries, but 19:41
LjLthe government immediately said no way19:41
AimHereDo you really think they have the infrastructure to deliver everyone's groceries?19:42
LjLI'm pretty scared of having to go to the supermarket since after this week, deliveries no longer seem to be a thing19:42
AimHereThat sounds like a massive logistical exercise19:43
euod[m]LjL: I don't disagree at all. the response to this has been utterly terrible in most countries. everybody has spent time that could have been used planning responses like en-masse delivery, pretending that everything is alright.19:43
Arsanerithard to book delivery nowadays19:43
euod[m]chinas response of just don't go outside, and we'll organise delivery, is obviously the right one.19:44
dzhoit's less "does the government have the capacity" to "does anyone have the capacity"19:44
ArsaneritGerman law allows supermarkets to be open longer and on Sundays, but no chain opted to do so because of the pressure it'd put on their employees19:44
pynaLjL: you're in italy?19:44
dzhoin principle, if it exists, the government could commandeer that, political questions about the propriety of that aside19:44
Urchindoing deliveries *is* a business opportunity now, you'd expect more of it19:44
euod[m]I think political stuff really just doesn't apply.19:45
LjLAimHere: well clearly not, or supermarket websites wouldn't give you a number to even get your turn to use the *website*. But you know something else that has had to make gigantic logistics and infrastructure changes to adapt to this? Hospitals. And people losing their jobs and having to find something else to survive. If supermarkets are now the biggest risk after hospitals (and I believe they are), government should aid companies in massively converting to 19:45
LjLdeliverirs19:45
euod[m]cut and burn, deal with it later.19:45
aradeshleading cause of detah in the usa in 2017 was heard disease, 647,000 deaths. hopefully coronavirus won't compete with that figure there19:45
LjLA lot of changes have to be happening that are difficult even at the best of times, but that's just how this thing js19:45
AimHereThere's at least one or two orders of magnitude difference between hospitals and supermarkets in terms of the problem19:45
aradeshheart*19:45
LjLaradesh: it's really hard to figure out the deaths thing19:45
LjLaradesh: I'll show you a couple graphs in a bit19:46
pynaim curious how covid policy changes in countries after someone important (politicians) die from it19:46
ArsaneritI read that in Wuhan residents were given a 2-hour slot every 3 days to do their groceries.19:46
Biep[m]LjL: Would it be hard to get the world figures back on the Brainstorm reports in #covid-updates:matrix.org?  It would make that room a lot more useful.19:47
pwr22!cases lombardia19:47
AimHereFor supermarkets, you're suggesting that a few tens of millions of customers have their shopping trips - where they buy their own groceries and take them to their home - replaced by websites AND a delivery mechanism staffed by far fewer people19:47
CovBotIn Lombardia, Italy there have been a total of 7,199 cases as of 2020-03-31 16:00:00 UTC. Of these -4,733 (-65.7%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 1,047 (14.5%) have definitely recovered and 10,885 (151.2%) have died.19:47
pwr22%data lombardia19:47
Brainstormpwr22: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 7199 cases, 10885 deaths (151.2% of cases), 1047 recoveries as of March 31, 16:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data.19:47
pwr22tinwhiskers: looks like lombardia has some weird numbers19:47
pynafeel like US policy will get a lot more real once it kills a couple senators19:47
euod[m]aradesh: NY is already preparing for mass casualty, so it's not unlikely. you don't order 3400 bodies worth of freezer trucks for delivery without a reason.19:47
aradeshNY alone seems to have similar stats to the UK19:48
aradeshnew york, 1550 deaths. UK 178919:49
dzhogive it time19:49
Urchineuod[m]: that's not going to be enough19:50
pynaThe state’s new cases make New York the coronavirus epicenter of the world, surpassing China’s Hubei province which reported 67,801 confirmed cases since the virus emerged there in December.19:51
dzhoalso, difficult to compare UK and NY since the UK's biggest metro area is entirely in the UK, whereas NYC's metro area spans several states19:51
euod[m]Urchin: not even close. but it means they're expecting that amount in the near future.19:51
dzho"epicenter" is a misleading word to use, since it usually applies to something with a relative pinpoint of impact or origin, like a bomb or an earthquake, but this pandemic is not originating nor is it restricted to or flowing out of New York City19:52
BrainstormFrance: +7578 cases (now 52128), +499 deaths (now 3523) β€” Canada: +993 cases (now 8467), +3 deaths (now 95), +48 recoveries (now 1162) β€” Albania: +2 deaths (now 15)19:52
dzhothere are sites of infection all around the world, and unless those are properly addressed, every one of them is a potential source of spread19:53
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 17:46 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: rise in Italy, US and France deaths takes global confirmed toll past 40,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 17:46: China Reopens Markets Selling Bats, Pangolins After COVID-19 Effect Dips β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx19:53
dzho"epicenter" encourages attention towards unhelpful things like the idea that this can still be contained through targeted travel restrictions, rather than the generalized drop in activity and travel we need to see19:53
pwr22!compare uk;new york19:55
pwr22From this it looks like UK is only catching 1/3 of non-lethal cases19:56
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Brazil, SΓ£o Paulo Has 6 Times More Deaths from Coronavirus than China in The First 13 Days. Death toll likely to surpass Italy. (5076 votes)19:59
CoronaBothttps://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/saopaulo/2020/03/sp-has-6-times-more-deaths-from-coronavirus-than-china-in-the-first-13-days.shtml?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsen | https://redd.it/fsbkoc19:59
mefistofelesuh, Brazil being hit pretty hard indeed20:02
mefistofelespwr22: compared to NY yes, but still the estimate is around 100x the deaths20:03
mefistofelessince the rate is estimated to be around 1% (even less, but for the "best" case)20:04
Biep[m]<dzho ""epicenter" is a misleading word"> Also, an epicentre is not a centre, but the point in a given set (often the earth's survace) *closest to* the centre.20:06
BrainstormFrance: +1517 recoveries (now 9444) β€” Albania: +2 deaths (now 15) β€” Arizona, US: +132 cases (now 1289), +4 deaths (now 24)20:07
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:09 UTC: Cramer sees new, five-minute test as possible turning point in coronavirus-driven market decline: CNBC's Jim Cramer said Tuesday that a faster coronavirus test could turn the tide in fighting the outbreak β€” and by extension, the battered economy and the stock market. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/gaTKS520:12
LjLBiep[m], i don't know why it's not sending the figures in there, it is supposed to, let me look20:15
LjLpyna, yes i am in italy (milan)20:15
redlegionLjL: holding up alright?20:15
LjLredlegion, depends on the day20:17
LjLbut not being in ICU is probably a win20:17
redlegionsounds reasonable20:17
redlegionthis sure is a mess20:17
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 18:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Francia β€” from r/WorldNews at 18:12: 'Dictatorships often start in the face of a threat': UN privacy chief warns against long-lasting theft of freedoms amid coronavirus surveillance β†’ https://is.gd/bmxJH620:18
mefistofelesLjL: no room there anyways20:19
mefistofeles:/20:19
pwr22I have developed an irritated chest and quite a dry cough20:21
pwr22Had a coughing fit earlier and chest felt all closed up20:21
pwr22No temperature though20:21
mefistofelesaw20:21
mefistofelespwr22: have you been in contact with many people?20:21
pwr22!cases bristol20:24
CovBotIn Bristol, City of, United Kingdom there have been a total of 103 cases as of 2020-03-31 18:17:02 UTC.20:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:19 UTC: CNN host Chris Cuomo, brother of NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo, has coronavirus: Chris Cuomo, the CNN anchor who is the brother of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, has been diagnosed with the coronavirus, he announced Tuesday. Chris Cuomo's disclosure came as his brother briefed reporters on the increasing numbers of COVID-19 in New [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/Oaa5Dj20:24
pwr22Well, I've been out and about in that for shopping and exercise20:24
mefistofelesI see20:24
pwr22People aren't really taking social distancing very seriously20:24
mefistofelesyeah, it's not an easy thing to do, fwiw20:24
AimHereShops aren't designed to keep people 6 feet apart20:25
AimHereAnd neither are UK pavements20:25
mefistofelesnothing is, tbh20:25
pwr22Supermarkets have security guards20:25
pwr22and as soon as the queue goes out of sight of them, people are just queuing back to back20:25
ThomCat[m]pwr22 I'm sorry to hear you're symptomatic.20:25
pwr22It's like they only care about not getting told off20:26
pwr22Not about actually making a difference20:26
mefistofelespwr22: why such a long queues? big city?20:26
AimHereLimited people allowed in supermarkets at one time20:26
pwr22<ThomCat[m] "pwr22 I'm sorry to hear you're s"> Thanks, even if it is coronavirus I'll probably survive20:26
mefistofelesAimHere: still20:27
ThomCat[m]Most likely, just hope your hospitals aren't filling up yet20:27
ThomCat[m]Just in case20:27
mefistofelespwr22: best case for you now is that it is coronavirus20:28
mefistofelesbtw, you shouldn't go out now :/20:28
LjLAimHere, if right now the supermarket websites are the biggest bottleneck, i'm sure even at this time it would be possible to install a bunch more servers (or just use cloud services). because as to delivery itself... *maybe* we'd have too few people, i cannot know, but what i know is that right now there are many bicycle delivery people who used to be full of work (too full), and now they are being dispersed by police because they have nothing left to do, 20:28
LjLbecause most people aren't getting things delivered from restaurants. some of the involved companies are *just not* starting to make agreement with supermarkets to have these people deliver from supermarkets. that's good! but i'm not exactly sure why it had to wait so long20:28
LjLdelivery people not getting paid because they don't deliver, and i'm not getting things i want delivered20:28
pwr22<mefistofeles "pwr22: why such a long queues? b"> Controlled entry20:29
pwr22Yeah I think I'll be taking things relatively easy for the next few days20:29
LjLsurely there's demand and offer and capitalism is meant to do its magic or whatever20:29
mefistofelespwr22: yes, we have controlled entry here, still no queues :/20:29
LjLso yes i am suggesting that things that look possible are possible20:29
mefistofelesso that's why I ask if it is a big city20:29
pwr22Oh, I've also had some deliveroo food which is another vector for infection20:29
AimHereLjL, Can you carry a full week's household groceries on your back in a bicycle? It does seem that the bicycle delivery guy thing would be of limited use20:29
pwr22Bristol isn't huge I'd say20:29
pwr22But it doesn't have a lot of supermarkets in the center20:30
mefistofelesok20:30
pwr22%wiki bristol20:30
Brainstormpwr22, from French Wikipedia:  β†’ https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol20:30
mefistofelesfrench, wtf?20:30
mefistofelesxD20:30
mefistofelesnow we know where the bot is located!!20:31
mefistofeles:P20:31
LjLAimHere, then i'll order twice a week. given the fact that currently only one person can get into the supermarket at a time (so i can't go with my parents), and that staff are hurrying people inside up to get their stuff quickly and go to the cash desks, i am very very unsure that i would be able to get the usual week's worth of anything20:31
AimHereTwice a week means twice the number of deliveries. I'm sure it's not impossible, but it does sound like a massive logistical exercise20:31
pwr22CovBot's in the US now - kind of don't want it there but that data center was much cheaper than europe20:32
pwr22Especially than UK20:32
LjLAimHere, so does having queues that are hundreds of meter longs20:32
python476mefistofeles: I bet ovh host20:32
AimHereLjL, the queues are distributing the logistical hassles though20:32
LjLAimHere, and the virus20:32
pwr22My ping to the server is like 100ms20:32
python476my ping is like 17000ms20:32
LjLpwr22, have you ever looked at Scaleway? (although i think i my vps on it is cheaper than what they currently offer, i'm "grandfathered" so to say)20:33
python476i'm actually anticipating y'all message20:33
python476s*20:33
AimHereI suspect hiring every deliveroo cyclist and going around absolutely every house twice a week isn't exactly a foolproof way of stopping the virus either20:33
LjLAimHere, it's a much more controlled mode of transmission. we disinfect our groceries. it's a lot different than the insides (or outsides) of a supermarket imo20:34
pwr22<LjL "pwr22, have you ever looked at S"> tbh I just picked google cloud because they gave me $300 of free credit and I've been meaning to try it out for a while20:35
LjLAimHere, anyway, even though we are sort of linear now, our government have been saying "we will only see the peak slow down in the next few days, because it wask at least a week / twe weeks / three weeks / etc to see the effect of the lockdown measures". i've heard this "next few days" thing for... many more than a few days20:35
pwr22mefistofeles: Bristol is about 500k population apparently20:35
LjLso clearly something isn't working so great20:35
mefistofelespwr22: ok, not that big, indeed20:35
mefistofelesbut if you don'thave many markets, then sure20:35
mefistofelesI can see it happening20:35
AimHereLjL, the rate of increase is linear suggesting you are peaked. When the peak turns into a decline is anyone's guess20:36
LjLother EU countries are already looking like they're peaking, MUCH earlier than italy did relatively speaking, and while it could be due to lack of testing... i don't know, i just feel italy's lockdown, while theoretically very strict, leaves something to be desired20:36
LjLpwr22, ah right you mentioned that20:36
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 18:29 UTC: House of Commons: MPs call for 'virtual House of Commons' amid Covid-19 early recess β€” from r/WorldNews at 18:29: 'Dictatorships often start in the face of a threat': UN privacy chief warns against long-lasting theft of freedoms amid coronavirus surveillance β†’ https://is.gd/PmKq1g20:36
LjLAimHere, well my guess is it'll happen sooner if they get the army or whatever they have to deliver food20:36
AimHereLjL, The EU countries I noticed today - UK, France, Belgium and Netherlands - seem to not be near the peak yet, at least in terms of death count20:37
mefistofelesFrance is already getting better, fwiw20:37
mefistofelesSPain as well, but deaths will keep rising, of course20:37
BrainstormUS: +3753 cases (now 180271), +142 deaths (now 3573) β€” New Jersey, US: +2060 cases (now 18696), +69 deaths (now 267) β€” Louisiana, US: +1212 cases (now 5237), +54 deaths (now 239)20:37
mefistofelesrandom Brainstorm msg20:38
mefistofeles:P20:38
pwr22Trump was saying that a deathtoll < 100k in the US would be a good scenario20:38
LjLAimHere, deaths lag behind cases, i'm thinking of cases20:38
mefistofelespwr22: yes, UK also said that, fwiw20:39
LjLAimHere, but also a perpetuated thing here is "it takes two weeks to see effects because two weeks is the incubation period". except, no, two weeks is the quarantine period which was determined to be reasonable to "catch" most incubation periods. however, the *average* incubation period has been clearly established to be around 5 days, so why wouldn't i expect to see effects in 5 days? and in other countries, i'll look again, but i thought there was a hint 20:40
LjLof such effects. in italy somehow it took weeks20:40
mefistofelesLjL: no20:41
mefistofelesincubation and death period are to way different things20:41
mefistofelesdeath can take 4 weeks even20:41
mefistofelesthat's why ICUs get also flooded even more rapidly20:41
mefistofelesfrom what I've read, after 2 weeks, if your critical state don't get better, you most likely will die... but up to 2 other weeks agonizing20:42
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 18:39 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus, nuova circolare del Viminale: sì a passeggiata genitore-figli, disabili e anziani - la Repubblica — from r/WorldNews at 18:39: 'Dictatorships often start in the face of a threat': UN privacy chief warns against long-lasting theft of freedoms amid coronavirus surveillance → https://is.gd/QvtQkX20:43
mefistofelesand that's after 2 weeks since hospitalization, so it's even a bit more time20:43
aradeshgood news. i got a refund on my train season ticket :)20:47
aradeshbecause i can't use it due to coronavirus20:47
bin_bashnice20:48
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:46 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Austin Statesman su Twitter: "BREAKING: 28 test positive for coronavirus after returning from spring break trip to Mexico, Austin health officials say https://t.co/2IA2q1nuRN" [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/SSHz3320:49
aradeshso thanks to whoever suggested i try to get a refund from this channel. i thought that was all lost money - nice to get some of it back20:52
bin_bashlmfao meanwhile in turkmenistan: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/coronavirus-turkmenistan-ban-masks-word-a9438266.html20:52
bin_bashlmfai20:52
bin_bashbold strategy20:52
aradeshban masks? why?20:52
aradeshoh, because they're in denial?20:52
bin_bashyeh21:04
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Frightened and angry Canadian doctors are talking frankly about walking off the job if they don’t have the proper protective equipment to treat coronavirus patients without risking infecting themselves. (5171 votes)21:06
CoronaBothttps://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/fear-and-anger-on-the-frontlines-what-happens-if-there-arent-enough-masks/?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1585609342 | https://redd.it/fsd7bt21:06
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:01 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Axios su Twitter: "BREAKING: The FDA has issued an emergency approval for a testing kit than can detect coronavirus in two minutes. https://t.co/VddoVrPuan" β€” from r/WorldNews at 19:01: Italy's coronavirus deaths could be underestimated in data: official β†’ https://is.gd/BbObHB21:07
BrainstormUS: +518 cases (now 180789), +7 deaths (now 3580) β€” Israel: +527 cases (now 5358), +61 recoveries (now 224) β€” Alabama, US: +27 cases (now 974), +2 deaths (now 13)21:07
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:09 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Axios su Twitter: "More than 400 long-term care facilities across the U.S. are now combatting cases of the coronavirus, per the CDC. The numbers mark a 172% reported rise in long-term-facility cases since March 23. https://t.co/w447Ph94Sp" [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/oKm6rQ21:13
LjLmefistofeles: well but I wasn't and they weren't looking at the deaths curve, but at the new cases curve. Flawed as that might be (but if it's flawed they should know, they decide the testing!) that's what they were telling us to look at and how it should peak in "a few days". Like... tomorrow, except it's tomorrow every day.21:18
mefistofelesit is already peaking, fwiw21:19
mefistofelesin terms of cases, that is21:20
mefistofelesthe thing is that it is still too dangerous, it can go back easily21:20
mefistofelesbecause it's not peaking that fast21:20
BrainstormGermany: +2805 cases (now 70985) β€” Alabama, US: +27 cases (now 974), +2 deaths (now 13) β€” Albania: +2 deaths (now 15)21:22
mefistofelesLjL: ↑ I don't get these msgs from Brainstorm , where are they coming from?21:24
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 19:15 UTC: Uefa fears football season unlikely to resume before end of June: Conference calls will set out strategy on Wednesday Talks continue about extending player contracts Senior executives contemplating how to steer football through the unprecedented crisis of Covid-19 are now talking about June being optimistic as a [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/ZoWSI121:26
tinwhiskerspwr22: thanks. I'll check it out21:30
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:27 UTC: (news): Airlines receiving coronavirus aid will be allowed to consolidate routes into fewer airports β€” from r/WorldNews at 19:27: Canada coronavirus deaths jump by 35% in less than a day β†’ https://is.gd/L0QLW821:32
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: S. Korea’s diagnostic kits to become international standard (5011 votes)21:36
CoronaBothttp://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_international/934862.html | https://redd.it/fsa1o921:36
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 19:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: rise in Italy, US and France deaths takes global confirmed toll past 40,000 β€” from r/WorldNews at 19:30: Canada coronavirus deaths jump by 35% in less than a day β†’ https://is.gd/Jg7Xpx21:38
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: 'Dictatorships often start in the face of a threat': UN privacy chief warns against long-lasting theft of freedoms amid coronavirus surveillance (5840 votes)21:42
CoronaBothttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/coronavirus-lockdown-surveillance-tracking-dictatorship-authoritarian-united-nations-privacy-a9438561.html | https://redd.it/fsgzya21:42
tinwhiskers%data lombardia21:50
BrainstormAlabama, US: +27 cases (now 974), +2 deaths (now 13) β€” Albania: +2 deaths (now 15) β€” Arizona, US: +132 cases (now 1289), +4 deaths (now 24)21:50
Brainstormtinwhiskers: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 7199 cases, 10885 deaths (151.2% of cases), 1047 recoveries as of March 31, 16:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data.21:50
tinwhiskers%data lombardia21:51
BrainstormVeneto, Italy: +8678 cases (now 9155) β€” Valle d'Aosta, Italy: +572 cases (now 628), +36 deaths (now 56) β€” Umbria, Italy: +1041 cases (now 1078)21:51
Brainstormtinwhiskers: In Lombardia, Italy, there are 43208 cases, 7199 deaths (16.7% of cases), 10885 recoveries as of March 31, 16:00Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lombardia for time series data.21:51
Biep[m]<bin_bash "lmfao meanwhile in turkmenistan:"> Sounds like how Mali got rid of slavery - using the word for anything happening within Mali was made illegal.  Tuaregs still have their Bella; Fulani still have their RimaibΓ© - but they no longer are slaves, legally.21:52
bin_bashsounds about right21:53
Biep[m]Something else: here in the Netherlands, [Too Good To Go](https://toogoodtogo.com) added regular restaurant meals to their offers, helping both people who no longer can go to restaurands and the restaurants themselves.21:54
Biep[m]%cases world21:55
BrainstormBiep[m]: In all areas, World, there are 846752 cases, 41493 deaths (4.9% of cases), 176519 recoveries as of March 31, 19:45Z. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data.21:55
Biep[m]!cases world21:55
CovBotIn World there have been a total of 846,752 cases as of 2020-03-31 19:45:00 UTC. Of these 628,740 (74.3%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 176,519 (20.8%) have definitely recovered and 41,493 (4.9%) have died.21:56
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus shock is pushing global growth toward zero, S&P says β€” from r/WorldNews at 19:52: COVID-19 Warning: Being Overweight Or Obese Ups Your Risk Of Dying From Coronavirus β†’ https://is.gd/8XSlHW21:57
pepeeso, I've been reading a bit about sars-cov-19, and supposedly the worst part of it comes when something called "cytokine storm" makes the body attack itself. the english and spanish wikipedia articles mention antioxidants and probiotics as modulators of the cytokine response.  the spanish article doesn't give sources, but I found https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711683/#Sec8title21:57
tinwhiskerspepee: interesting but they do conclude, "However, current evidence indicates that monotherapy using antioxidants had a limited effect on cytokine storm, and a combination with antivirals would still be needed".21:59
python476LjL: I checked, the galaxy S I got does have the oxymeter next to the camera21:59
tinwhiskersSo while it might help, that alone won't save you.21:59
python476if you didn't tell me I'd never have know22:00
python476known22:00
pepeetinwhiskers, well, limited != none, so I guess doctors could recommend taking probiotics and eating lots of fruits and vegetables as soon as they see people develop symptoms22:01
tinwhiskersyeah, that's always good advice22:02
tinwhiskersand exercise22:02
tinwhiskersgood luck :-)22:02
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:00 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Exclusive: Captain of aircraft carrier with growing coronavirus outbreak pleads for help from Navy - SFChronicle.com β€” from r/WorldNews at 20:00: COVID-19 Warning: Being Overweight Or Obese Ups Your Risk Of Dying From Coronavirus β†’ https://is.gd/17agzr22:03
tinwhiskerspython476: btw, I use scaleway. No complaints except the hosting is in France, which causes some web sites to use odd locale settings and can be a bit annoying to work around.22:13
python476oh ok22:14
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 20:04 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Cuomo says bidding war for ventilators is 'like being on eBay': Amazon fires worker who led New York warehouse strike Detroit: America’s next Covid-19 hotspot prepares for surge CNN’s Chris Cuomo diagnosed with coronavirus See all our coronavirus coverage [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/3tan2f22:15
python476Tesla said they had respirators to deliver22:18
python476US trade wars might be a blip22:18
BrainstormUS: +1117 cases (now 181906), +75 deaths (now 3655), +21 recoveries (now 6262) β€” Michigan, US: +1117 cases (now 7615), +75 deaths (now 259) β€” Alabama, US: +27 cases (now 974), +2 deaths (now 13)22:22
mefistofelespython476: yeah, they bought like 1200 from China22:22
python476the irony22:23
mefistofelesI mean, Tesla22:23
python476oh ok22:23
mefistofelesindeed22:23
python476less IronY22:23
mefistofelesxD22:23
aradeshi was thinking of a strategy for a 1st world country like the UK if a pandemic like this happened again... the first thing you'd need to do, as early as possible, would be close the borders completely for people coming in22:26
aradeshand immediately start building a quarantine center22:26
aradeshand then once that is built, start bringing people in through that, testing every person thoroughly22:26
aradeshthen once everything has settled down, you would have had no cases in your country outside the quarantine centers, and it probably cost a lot less in the long run22:27
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:25 UTC: Cramer sees new five-minute test as possible turning point in coronavirus-driven market decline: CNBC's Jim Cramer said Tuesday that a faster coronavirus test could turn the tide in fighting the outbreak β€” and by extension, the battered economy and the stock market. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/gaTKS522:28
aradeshi think also the doctors in the quarantine centres would need to 'live in' until the virus was over, and not leave the compound risking spreading it outside22:28
phil_https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/should-pets-be-tested-coronavirus22:28
python476aradesh: I'm pretty sure a good number of medical pros were already sleeping "here"22:30
aradeshpython476: how do you mean?22:32
aradeshphil_: oh no, i hope my cat doesn't get it22:32
aradeshthough the problem with being a country like the UK is we're an import-dependant nation22:32
aradeshwe can't just close the borders and not suddenly find we have no food and supplies22:33
aradeshand it'd be hard to sanitize all imports... hmm22:33
aradeshhard/impossible22:33
BrainstormBrazil: +1032 cases (now 5717), +33 deaths (now 201) β€” Alabama, US: +27 cases (now 974), +2 deaths (now 13) β€” Albania: +2 deaths (now 15)22:37
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:35 UTC: (news): NYC to turn US Open tennis courts into hospital for coronavirus patients with hopes of playing in August, Mayor de Blasio says β€” from r/WorldNews at 20:35: BBC News - 13-year-old boy dies with coronavirus β†’ https://is.gd/q3DMXI22:40
python476aradesh: few people said nurses were spending all their life at hospital22:42
python476aradesh: in any case, you're not fond of SK way ? more cleaning, more testing, more data, less lockdown ?22:43
aradeshpython476: seems they did pretty well too, yeah22:46
aradeshmaybe some compromise between my idea and theirs22:46
aradeshcould proabbly really restrict it22:46
tinwhiskersaradesh: we largely rely on imports as well and have banned all ships except container ships. No people are allowed to leave or board the ship. They unload by crane, then leave. That seems pretty adequate to me.22:47
LjL<mefistofeles> LjL: ↑ I don't get these msgs from Brainstorm , where are they coming from? ← they are the same update messages Brainstorm always sent... just, there are no longer Unicode diamonds making them perhaps a bit invasive, and they are limited to the first 4 countries/regions that get an update, to make them shorter and again less invasive. partly came from a discussion with dTal. but the data is what it always was22:50
BrainstormUS: +2024 cases (now 183930), +68 deaths (now 3723), +13 recoveries (now 6275) β€” Massachusetts, US: +868 cases (now 6620), +33 deaths (now 89) β€” Illinois, US: +937 cases (now 5994), +26 deaths (now 99)22:52
LjLBiep[m], i'm a bit confused. i think i'm actually *seeing* updates in #covid-updates:matrix.org... i was not seeing them in the corresponding IRC channel ##covid-ticker, which is likely because it's +m and the bot ended up not voiced. but... you're connecting from Matrix, so you should be seeing them as i am...?22:59
Biep[m]I do see updates, but the worldwide figure is missing.23:00
Biep[m]By just following the ticker, one can't tell how many cases there are worldwide.23:01
Biep[m]And yes, I read your message to me there.23:01
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:01 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Spanish Military to begin patrolling streets, ask citizens to justify presence outside their homes. β€” from r/WorldNews at 21:01: UK prisoners with flu symptoms forced to share cells with those with Covid-19 β†’ https://is.gd/fFgqwX23:04
xionbox[m]Isn't it concerning that the number of new cases in France is not slowing down despite them entering their third week of quarantine ? or am I getting the timeline wrong?23:04
LjLBiep[m], oh, got it... actually i removed the World figure on purpose yesterday, because other people complaining that the individual figures didn't "add up" to make the World figure, and tinwhiskers said he's seen it happen but he doesn't exactly know why. what about i give you a "total increase" figure that's added up together from the numbers i actually see instead of the World figure?23:05
LjLxionbox[m], italy has taken quite long to show a decrease... and it's not even really a decrease yet, it's more like jittering around linearity. so even though i'm not sure i understand this myself, France started later, so you may need to wait some more time23:05
CoronaBot/r/worldnews: Two men killed on rural Alberta road were hunting to feed their families after COVID-19 layoffs (5042 votes)23:06
CoronaBothttps://edmontonjournal.com/news/crime/2-killed-rural-alberta-road-hunting-covid19-layoffs | https://redd.it/fsdp3i23:06
LjLBiep[m], actually for now nevermind, i'll just put World back23:06
Biep[m]OK, I see.  Well, all case numbers are guesstimates anyway, and almost certainly way too low, so I wouldn't expect them to add up all the time.23:10
Biep[m]Thanks!23:10
pynai always knew trump would leave the whole country looking like atlantic city, but didn't expect it to be a MAGA pandemic23:11
xshi[m]This took most people by surprise however; most experts err'd around Feb - early march.23:13
pynait would be nice not to call it MAGA pandemic, but since it's so important to call it china virus (because that's where it came from) it's only fair23:14
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:09 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Samantha-Jo Roth su Twitter: "JUST NOWβ€” Gov. Ron DeSantis says the White House task force hasn't told him to issue a statewide stay-at-home-order: "The task force is not recommending this. If they do, that’s something that would carry a lot of weight with me."" [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/ybzPax23:14
jbjllkchina got it from canada23:14
pynayeah, and canada got it from the moon, we all know how it works23:15
jbjllkand i think they got it from the usa23:15
jbjllkso blame trump23:16
pynaafaict we're all just figments of trump's imagination. we aren't actually "real"23:16
jbjllktrumps matrix23:17
pynaturns out he's the one solipsist that was right, after all this time23:17
jbjllkhttps://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/01/26/did-china-steal-coronavirus-from-canada-and-weaponize-it/23:19
jbjllkhttps://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china23:20
LjLjbjllk, don't post cruft23:20
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 21:15 UTC: Coronavirus: 13-year-old boy dies, says London hospital trust: A 13-year-old boy who tested positive for coronavirus has died, a London hospital trust says. β€” from r/WorldNews at 21:15: NHS staff 'gagged' over coronavirus shortages β†’ https://is.gd/jeSLfQ23:20
JigsyI don't understand why they don't draft the actors from Casualty and Holby City.23:21
BrainstormNew bulletins for World: +730 cases (now 854358), +17 deaths (now 42011), +72 recoveries (now 176905) β€” US: +672 cases (now 185159), +17 deaths (now 3773), +72 recoveries (now 6347) β€” Arkansas, US: +15 cases (now 523), +1 deaths (now 8)23:22
jbjllknews is a lie23:22
Biep[m]<LjL "Biep, oh, got it... actually i r"> US numbers add up from the state numbers, and state from county, and so on?  And likewise for the rest of the world?23:23
jbjllkright ljl23:23
LjLBiep[m], they should! but sometimes things that should aren't :P they may not be updated at the same time. i don't really now, my part in this is simple, i just grab the numbers. counties aren't part of the game because they are no longer recorded by JHU, so state is the most granular level within the US23:24
Biep[m]<jbjllk "news is a lie"> That's news to me..23:24
jbjllkask ljl23:25
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network * at 21:19 UTC: ljl-covid: Add https://aatishb.com/covidtrends/ β€” from r/WorldNews at 21:19: NHS staff 'gagged' over coronavirus shortages β†’ https://is.gd/iGalOD23:27
jbjllkhttp://www.onlinenewspapers.com23:32
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 21:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: government commits $110m to seafood industry as pop-up clinic established in Bondi – latest news [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/YLSAoC23:33
pynapoor 13 year old that died didn't even get the brief fame of the 12 year old23:35
pynatypical for teens23:36
yuriwho17:30 <yuriwho> Hydroxychloroquine may be helpful, may do nothing https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/31/comparing-chloroquine-trials <β€” new trial Data23:36
LjLyuriwho, these trials seem all so heartening23:39
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network * at 21:37 UTC: ljl-covid: Add Spain tracker β€” from r/WorldNews at 21:37: Wind farms generate crisis cash for virus-hit communities: Cash generated by onshore wind farms in Scotland is being used in local communities to help vulnerable people survive the coronavirus pandemic. β†’ https://is.gd/nXOBy623:39
yuriwhoyea, but thats the reality of drug trials23:39
xshi[m]There was a paper on CRISPER-CAS13 targetting of the viral replication mechanism (RdRP) but it was only in-vitro. I was surprised that the author isn't actively pursuing a lung delivery mechanism. CRISPER should attack the viral genome directly - and not dance around like drugs with aweful side affects.23:44
xshi[m]CRISPER should be a much simpler and safer mechanism.23:44
tinwhiskersyuriwho: thanks for the link!23:45
twomooni've never heard the word 'heartening' used without 'dis' in front of it. very cute ljl23:45
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network * at 21:42 UTC: ljl-covid: Add Italy ArcGIS tracker β€” from r/WorldNews at 21:42: Wind farms generate crisis cash for virus-hit communities: Cash generated by onshore wind farms in Scotland is being used in local communities to help vulnerable people survive the coronavirus pandemic. β†’ https://is.gd/YulbkT23:45
LjLtwomoon, i wanted to type "enheartening" by my spellchecker disagreed :P23:45
twomoonit reminds me of saying 'heartwarming' but then that would sound too chummy23:46
jbjllkhttps://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/16/asia/china-vaccine-scandal-doses-intl/index.html23:46
LjLpython476, what's the ultimate tracker map for France?23:47
LjLjbjllk, what does that even have to do with COVID-19?23:48
python476LjL: I only know one, no "best", hold on23:50
LjLpython476, i've found https://www.arcgis.com/apps/Embed/index.html?webmap=4f9b1d34abcd44f0bca03ec381cc1e55&extent=-13.8471,39.9083,18.6065,53.356&zoom=true&previewImage=false&scale=true&disable_scroll=true&theme=light but it's really... blank23:50
LjLand https://www.connexionfrance.com/French-news/Covid-19-coronavirus-map-of-France-shows-spread-as-cases-spike-tenfold-in-a-week but it's not up to date, more of a news article23:51
jbjllkwaiting for the fake covid shots23:51
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:47 UTC: (news): NYC to turn US Open tennis courts into hospital for coronavirus patients with hopes of playing in August, Mayor de Blasio says [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/q3DMXI23:52
python476LjL: https://thibautfabacher.shinyapps.io/covid-france/23:52
jbjllkhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8169331/Coronavirus-infected-humans-DECADES-mutating-killer-disease.html23:52
ryoumasomebody named me but i have no log23:52
LjLjbjllk, i think on ##coronavirus-vox they supposedly like conspiracy theories. we really don't here23:52
LjLryouma, uhm i don't see anything in the logs recently either23:53
ryoumacould hasve been last night23:54
ryoumaheartening is correct.  encouraging is correct.23:54
ryoumaboth mean heart23:54
python476LjL: that france map is pretty good as far as singleman/smallteam efforts are23:54
LjLpython476, always have to do things differently uh23:54
python476ok23:55
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 21:52 UTC: Coronavirus: 13-year-old boy dies, says London hospital trust: A 13-year-old boy who tested positive for coronavirus has died, a London hospital trust says. [... want %more?] β†’ https://is.gd/jeSLfQ23:58
LjLpython476, sorry, unfortunate remark23:58
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