| LjL | those topics are fine with me to discuss here, but i have nothing to contribute | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| LjL | or not much | 00:00 |
| LjL | there is ##prepping although ideas there may seem over the top to some, ymmv | 00:01 |
| dunnp | LjL: how did [itchyjunk] managed to get banned here? | 00:02 |
| LjL | not sure he did...? | 00:04 |
| LjL | ah right i muted him | 00:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:02 UTC: (news): Trump allows coronavirus patients on Navy ship Comfort in New York after Cuomo asks → https://is.gd/pPoV5o | 00:04 |
| LjL | i don't really feel like discussing it, i can send you the logs if you want/need to know | 00:05 |
| dunnp | k | 00:06 |
| dunnp | your judgement is fine by me | 00:06 |
| stinkpot | ljl can you have an unmute holiday maybe? | 00:08 |
| LjL | no, always found that kind of thing silly | 00:09 |
| LjL | if there's a ban that shouldn't be there, then that should be taken care of | 00:09 |
| LjL | but other than that... | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1840 cases (now 1342273), +117 deaths (now 74542), +312 recoveries (now 278164) since an hour ago — US: +1218 cases (now 363791), +62 deaths (now 10782), +219 recoveries (now 19532) since an hour ago — Germany: +879 cases (now 102903), +81 deaths (now 1776) since an hour ago | 00:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +1327 cases (now 103351), +111 deaths (now 1806) since 2 hours ago — World: +833 cases (now 1343106) since 16 minutes ago — California, US: +583 cases (now 15823) since 2 hours ago | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:31 UTC: Coronavirus cases: These states face biggest potential shortfalls in hospital ICU beds: New York and New Jersey are among the worst positioned in terms of hospital beds to handle new coronavirus cases. These charts show every state's status. → https://is.gd/ps6cnw | 00:38 |
| p_pup[m] | UK PM passes due to Cov19 -HK free press | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://sites.google.com/view/covid19-intel/europe/germany 2,870 NEW :-o | 00:41 |
| dunnp | no way p_pup[m] | 00:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | p_pup[m]: duh! | 00:42 |
| LjL | p_pup[m], provide link please | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | went to ICU was breaking news of 4h ago, here in Germany | 00:43 |
| LjL | don't believe everything you read on IRC | 00:44 |
| ubLIX | p_pup[m]: ? | 00:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:43 UTC: (news): Trump and 3M strike deal to bring 55.5 million masks a month to US to help coronavirus response → https://is.gd/65RtDm | 00:49 |
| dunnp | I can't find anything on it | 00:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:58 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Daily death increases in the US are basically flat for 4 days now at around 1180. → https://is.gd/9nLLvb | 01:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | checked hongkongfp.com no news about Boris | 01:10 |
| LjL | i know, hence the kick :P | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus fight: Trump says there's light at the end of the tunnel with vaccine and treatment research → https://is.gd/fwUBhn | 01:11 |
| kPa | why would hongkongfp.com have news about boris? | 01:12 |
| ryouma | what data are these based on? can this be predicted? --- New York and New Jersey are among the worst positioned in terms of hospital beds to handle new coronavirus cases. These charts show every state's status | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, didn't notice | 01:12 |
| LjL | ryouma, well, there are models. doesn't mean they'll turn out to be correct, but they're probably not made up on the spot. you can see how the graph is going, anyway... just assume it'll stay linear for at least 15 days before it starts slowly going down, and it'll take another 15 to go flat. how many beds short will those states be then? | 01:15 |
| LjL | (left as an exercise for the reader, i'm certainly not going to make calculations based on that "model" of mine) | 01:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:11 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live news: death toll reaches 41 as two more hospital staff test positive in Tasmania – latest updates → https://is.gd/3Jsr6o | 01:22 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: if you haven't seen this it's a good read: https://medium.com/@wpegden/a-call-to-honesty-in-pandemic-modeling-5c156686a64b | 01:22 |
| tinwhiskers | note what happens *after* the model completes | 01:22 |
| LjL | he should have seen it since i've put it into my resource page | 01:23 |
| LjL | everybody reads that one, right? | 01:23 |
| tinwhiskers | hopefully | 01:23 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 01:23 |
| LjL | "I know a very elegant solution to the second wave, but I have not enough of the model left to write it on." | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | re >>2,870 NEW<< they updated to 3,341 | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:31 UTC: (news): Trump and 3M strike deal to bring 166.5 million masks to US in three months to help coronavirus response → https://is.gd/65RtDm | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still low, waiting for RKI update | 01:34 |
| tinwhiskers | RKI? | 01:35 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, German body that provides these data officially, also, they have one of the many ArcGIS maps | 01:36 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 01:36 |
| ryouma | i skimmed it, thanks | 01:42 |
| minorov | O | 01:43 |
| ryouma | if this is a reflection of reality i think it is more like outright fraud "A skeptic will note that these measures don’t seem to prevent a surge in infections so much as delay them (in some cases so that the impact is pushed beyond the period that this model tracks)." | 01:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:39 UTC: (news): Trump allows coronavirus patients on Navy ship Comfort in New York after Cuomo asks → https://is.gd/pPoV5o | 01:44 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: I guess if the intent is to show that lockdowns will slow the progression of the virus then they achieve that but fail to address what happens next. | 01:46 |
| tinwhiskers | but at best it's only a half-truth, more likely very misleading, and at worst an outright lie. | 01:46 |
| ryouma | yeah | 01:47 |
| tinwhiskers | people look to these models to see the potential death toll so it shouldn't be hidden like that | 01:47 |
| LjL | ryouma, i wouldn't go as far as fraud, after all the Imperial College paper previously(?) made it pretty clear that even though they thought suppression was the only reasonable option, the question of what to do with the second peak did remain | 01:48 |
| ryouma | i hold stuff like that to higher standards tahn many practitioners do | 01:48 |
| LjL | i still think i agree with them... as in, the alternative is just not acceptable | 01:48 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, fair point LjL. They do usually have such a disclaimer | 01:48 |
| LjL | this way we can buy time, and then, yes, i don't know. i don't know what do we do afterwards. but at least more people are alive by then. | 01:49 |
| tinwhiskers | it gives us some time to come up with a new plan maybe | 01:49 |
| tinwhiskers | or maaaaybe find a treatment | 01:49 |
| LjL | i seem to sense that many countries are going to go for the on-again-off-again approach | 01:49 |
| lf94 | yes | 01:49 |
| lf94 | on-off I think will be the approach | 01:49 |
| lf94 | when PPE is in stock | 01:49 |
| LjL | which will be a paaaaain, but i don't really have a better proposal | 01:49 |
| tinwhiskers | not so much on-off but on-ease | 01:50 |
| LjL | yeah | 01:50 |
| lf94 | yeah that | 01:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1166 cases (now 1344272), +59 deaths (now 74643) since an hour ago — California, US: +753 cases (now 15993) since 3 hours ago — US: +657 cases (now 364716), +54 deaths (now 10846) since an hour ago | 01:50 |
| LjL | our PM has said that "phase 2" will involve tight "protocols" on how to go outside, how to take public transport, etc | 01:50 |
| LjL | Milan's public transport company is "now studying" how to lock the turnstiles to further entry when the train is full | 01:50 |
| LjL | i mean... that's something i've thought was part of the *design* of the new turnstiles back when they installed them in like 2007 | 01:51 |
| tinwhiskers | if we really don't find a treatment prior to a vaccine being available it's likely the changes to our habits will become quite ingrained. | 01:51 |
| LjL | but apparently it's the first time they think of it ;( | 01:51 |
| tinwhiskers | I wonder if we too will become habitual facemask-wearers like much of asia | 01:51 |
| ryouma | i wonder what they do in japan where they hire conductors to push passengers into the cars | 01:51 |
| tinwhiskers | (in asia they wear them for air quality reason too though) | 01:51 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, if we do i hope there are masks that are less insufferable to wear than the ones i've tried | 01:51 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 01:52 |
| ryouma | wired reported taht in the 1918 pandemic it was law to wear a mask in the us. japan copied this. they continued. they now wear to not infect others. but in the west everybody just goes to work and coughts on everything and everybody, and thinks he's a hero for working. wearing no mask and not being shamed. | 01:53 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 01:53 |
| ryouma | so the us has to have this idea that not infecting others is desirable. and this can be enforced by social disapproval. | 01:54 |
| tinwhiskers | coughing on people is rightly considered extremely rude in Japan | 01:54 |
| ryouma | wear a mask jackass! | 01:54 |
| LjL | i wonder though if there's any real evidence that masks help against normal things like flu, in normal times outside of an epidemic | 01:54 |
| LjL | i mean, i am reasonably confident the mechanics of them "help" | 01:54 |
| LjL | but then you'd have to see if Japan actually has a lower rate of flu than other countries | 01:54 |
| tinwhiskers | if you're infected they do help stop you spreading it | 01:54 |
| ryouma | they also bow instead of shaking hands normally. various ocnfounds. | 01:55 |
| bin_bash | yeah it does, thats why if you go to the doctor it says "if youre sneezing or coughing take a mask" | 01:55 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: good point | 01:55 |
| jester | https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/04/04/coronavirus-face-mask-tips-how-make-fabric-instructions/2945209001/ | 01:55 |
| LjL | uhm, i don't think that's solid scientific evidence that it helps... | 01:55 |
| jester | better than nothing | 01:55 |
| bin_bash | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3591312/ | 01:56 |
| jester | https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html | 01:56 |
| LjL | jester, i didn't mean your article | 01:57 |
| dunnp | im curious what the impact on the flu will be from all of this isolation | 01:57 |
| bin_bash | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5153448/ | 01:57 |
| bin_bash | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4699551/ | 01:57 |
| tinwhiskers | bin_bash: good link (the first one) | 01:57 |
| LjL | i must not have expressed myself quite properly | 01:58 |
| LjL | but just pretend i never said anything | 01:58 |
| bin_bash | LjL: i may have misunderstoof | 01:58 |
| bin_bash | stood** | 01:58 |
| ryouma | pisses me off that ct does not ban liquor stores. guess where ny residents go now? | 01:58 |
| tinwhiskers | specific to Japan vs elsewhere? nothing yet | 01:58 |
| bin_bash | I thoguht you were asking for evidence masks work during flu seasons | 01:59 |
| bin_bash | ryouma: all liquor stores should be open | 01:59 |
| dunnp | liquor is essential | 01:59 |
| ryouma | soe verybody stays blasted at home? | 01:59 |
| tinwhiskers | but specifically suggesting that if masks help then Japan should have lower rates of flu | 01:59 |
| dunnp | exatly ryouma | 01:59 |
| ryouma | cuomo banned them. ct did not. problem | 01:59 |
| amxc | data! oregon | 01:59 |
| bin_bash | the second article i linked was in japan tinwhiskers and LjL | 02:00 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, but that included vaccinations | 02:00 |
| LjL | bin_bash, i said that i'm pretty confident that the mechanics of a mask help against influenza transmission. but then you still have to look at the global picture: so in a given country, like Japan in this case, do you actually have a lower rate of flu? you'd expect to, since you'd expect the masks to help, but you cannot take it for granted. and then, there are possible drawbacks to consider: maybe people get more of *other* respiratory issue due to | 02:00 |
| LjL | wearing a mask (they are not so very good for your throat in general, really). and as ryouma says this is all not even easy to determine because there are other cultural factors unrelated to masks | 02:00 |
| bin_bash | ryouma: actually no, liquor stores are open in NY | 02:00 |
| ryouma | i heard wrong? | 02:00 |
| bin_bash | LjL: why japan specificially? | 02:00 |
| jester | https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily | 02:00 |
| tinwhiskers | it was just a thought-experiment | 02:00 |
| bin_bash | ryouma: https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/03/20/coronavirus-new-york-liquor-stores-essential/2887048001/ | 02:00 |
| LjL | bin_bash, because they all wear masks, and because that was the context of the conversation that was ongoing | 02:00 |
| bin_bash | ryouma: yeah, my fam is in NY and theyre open | 02:00 |
| tinwhiskers | the direct evidence you gave bin_bash, was also compeliing | 02:01 |
| bin_bash | LjL: but they don't all wear surgical masks | 02:01 |
| bin_bash | a lot of them are fashion lace masks | 02:01 |
| tinwhiskers | those also help | 02:01 |
| ryouma | they wear masks when they get colds or flu | 02:01 |
| LjL | and that's another thing that would have to be determined, which masks people wear, and whether they were it correctly, whether they handle them correctly and not contaminate themselves back, etc | 02:01 |
| LjL | so i assume you can see what i meant by the global picture | 02:01 |
| bin_bash | yeah | 02:01 |
| tinwhiskers | mmm | 02:01 |
| dunnp | ooh lace masks | 02:02 |
| tinwhiskers | Just finding influenza rate/year/capita for Japan vs. other countries would still be interesting | 02:02 |
| lf94 | How long you guys think until N95 masks will be in the hands of citizens? | 02:02 |
| tinwhiskers | hopefully not long | 02:03 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, but also ridden with difficulties | 02:03 |
| lf94 | I'm assuming ~3 months | 02:03 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yeah, for sure. | 02:03 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, how likely are you to report influenza to a doctor, and how likely is that doctor to report it back to some central agency? pretty sure this varies a *lot* by culture | 02:03 |
| linext | there are 1 person who tested positive for covid for every 143 people in the county where i live | 02:03 |
| tinwhiskers | Hopefully in a few months N95 supply will be such that hospitals have plenty, then the public can also have them | 02:03 |
| linext | i recommend getting a respirator instead of a standard n95 cotton mask | 02:04 |
| dunnp | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210121/ | 02:04 |
| dunnp | kinda hard to compare US vs japan because of population densities | 02:04 |
| tinwhiskers | linext: I recommend not doing that | 02:04 |
| linext | the pre-filters are n95 and you breath out the hot air through an exhaust port | 02:05 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, covering it with a surgical mask has been recommended by... i forget who | 02:05 |
| tinwhiskers | respirators with valves do little to protect *others from you* | 02:05 |
| linext | the regular mask gets way too hot | 02:05 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, that would be ok then :-) | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2555 cases (now 366614), +67 deaths (now 10859) since an hour ago — World: +2061 cases (now 1346333), +119 recoveries (now 278330) since 16 minutes ago — New York, US: +1227 cases (now 131916) since an hour ago | 02:05 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, although then i'd have to try it to know whether it makes it feel any better than just a regular no-valve mask. but the recommendation was in a medical context, to be able to re-use the N95 by discarding the surgical after each patient, while also having some respiratory comfort | 02:06 |
| amxc | data! oregon | 02:06 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: Yeah, I read that too | 02:06 |
| linext | wearing a regular cotton n95 mask gets annoying after about 30 minutes | 02:06 |
| tinwhiskers | I gotta say, my fabric mask is very comfortable to wear and if everyone did the same we'd be much better off. | 02:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus fight: White House health advisor Fauci says we may never get back to 'normal' → https://is.gd/SP0X0y | 02:06 |
| linext | the respirator is comfortable for multiple hours | 02:06 |
| dunnp | n95 is annoying very quickly if you are wearing it right... hurts | 02:07 |
| tinwhiskers | Japan and asia are way ahead of us accepting wearing mask for the benefit of *others* rather than yourself. | 02:07 |
| tinwhiskers | not to discredit czechia and others who have discovered this also | 02:07 |
| linext | maybe that will change now that people are now getting used to it | 02:08 |
| LjL | dunnp, well that doesn't make sound vaccinating seniors as compelling as my GP made it out to be ;( | 02:08 |
| WW[m] | masks protect only in 1 case, if it is worn on both the sick and healthy. | 02:08 |
| lf94 | The point of wearing the N95 is when you're going into a store or walking out | 02:08 |
| Toadisattva | people at my work are finally wearing masks and gloves, I've been doing it for weeks i's good I had a mask on so they couldn't see how smug I was feeling about it :P | 02:08 |
| tinwhiskers | "my mask protects you, your mask protects me" | 02:08 |
| lf94 | I'd only wear it going from my car -> store -> car | 02:08 |
| dunnp | LjL: yea that is shocking to me... | 02:08 |
| dunnp | but the vaccination of schoolchildren really helped | 02:09 |
| Toadisattva | yeah mask is a 2 way street | 02:09 |
| LjL | dunnp, i suspect there would be strong resistance on vaccinating children against something that is generally not considered a risk for them here | 02:09 |
| Toadisattva | if only I wear a mask at best protectin for us both is only 50% | 02:09 |
| Toadisattva | effective | 02:09 |
| bin_bash | lf94: how are you going to decontaminate it in your car? | 02:09 |
| LjL | dunnp, i suspect my government suspect it too, since i don't believe they've even tried recommending it :P | 02:09 |
| lf94 | bin_bash: I'm not | 02:09 |
| lf94 | bin_bash: it'll go into a plastic bag | 02:10 |
| dunnp | they dont do flu vaccines in italy? | 02:10 |
| tinwhiskers | a fabric mask is about 95% effective at catching droplets being created by the wearer. | 02:10 |
| dunnp | very widespread in the US | 02:10 |
| bin_bash | lf94: that's about the worst thing you could do | 02:10 |
| lf94 | bin_bash: when I get home, then I can put it into the oven or whatever they are suggesting | 02:10 |
| LjL | dunnp, they are free for elderly, paid for others, weakly recommended in general, strongly recommended for elders | 02:10 |
| bin_bash | lf94: you should leave it on until you're able to get home and remove it properly | 02:10 |
| lf94 | bin_bash: yes I know it is long-living on plastics | 02:10 |
| lf94 | ok | 02:10 |
| lf94 | then i'd do that then | 02:11 |
| LjL | dunnp, i don't think there is any recommendation at all for school-aged children compared to other random people... i mean, these days it's hard enough to get parents to vaccinate against measles | 02:11 |
| lf94 | imagine the anti-vaxxers now | 02:11 |
| lf94 | what are they saying | 02:11 |
| LjL | maybe they are shutting up | 02:11 |
| LjL | which is okay with me | 02:11 |
| tinwhiskers | should we leave anyone who has been vocally anti-vax until last? | 02:12 |
| linext | i tried to drop off a package on the desk at the post office and didn't want to wait in line 6 feet apart from everyone | 02:12 |
| linext | they wouldn't let me | 02:12 |
| linext | they said i have to wait behind 5 other people | 02:13 |
| bin_bash | lf94: i linked this the other day. if you follow thw WHM (warm heat method) you can pretty much replicate the method in your kitchen with a large stock pot and shallow steaming tray: https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.ajic.2010.07.004 | 02:13 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: heh, nah. It should be based on current conditions :p i.e. they have no underlying conditions, can contribute still to society, etc | 02:13 |
| linext | ended up going to a different post office | 02:13 |
| bin_bash | in an oven** | 02:13 |
| lf94 | bin_bash: yeah tht's what I heard | 02:13 |
| lf94 | bin_bash: is that paper really behind a paywall? | 02:13 |
| lf94 | jee | 02:13 |
| lf94 | jeez* | 02:13 |
| bin_bash | also here's the link from the CDC discussing decontamination on the efficacy of the mask, specifically table 2: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/ppe-strategy/decontamination-reuse-respirators.html | 02:14 |
| bin_bash | lf94: no | 02:14 |
| tinwhiskers | I actually finally finished downloading the movie "contagion" and watched it last night. In that movie they weren't able to supply enough vaccine for everyone so had a raffle to determine which birthdates would be vaccinated each day. It seems quite just that if people have to wait in line that anti-vaxxers should be at the end of that line. | 02:14 |
| lf94 | bin_bash: why link with sci-hub then lol | 02:14 |
| bin_bash | tinwhiskers: 100% agree | 02:14 |
| bin_bash | lf94: the original might be behind a paywall | 02:15 |
| lf94 | bin_bash: that was my point :) | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | linext: at my post office they store the forms for money transfers behind the counter, so I have to stand queue once to get the form, then leave, fill form on pavement or hood of a car or whatever, then stand queue another time to commit | 02:15 |
| oxalis | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ <--- I would like scientific hot-takes on why Texas' Deaths/1m is an outlier | 02:15 |
| lf94 | ludicrous it would be | 02:15 |
| bin_bash | tinwhiskers: that's how i feel about people who ignore social distancing and medical treatment | 02:15 |
| lf94 | in these times | 02:15 |
| lf94 | in these times everything should be open / free until shit is solved | 02:15 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, the most widespread earthquake early warning app in italy (and some other places) uses, as predictable, google push notifications. only problem with that is they are throttled. so there are in-app purchases to be among the first 1000, 100 or 10 people notified, depending on how much you pay. | 02:15 |
| jester | try zoogle for downloads magnet | 02:15 |
| bin_bash | lf94: well im not sure because it was given to me by someoen who got it from a university library, so it might be or it might not | 02:15 |
| oxalis | My assumption is that Texas is an outlier as to data accuracy | 02:15 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: I got an alert from your today - thanks | 02:16 |
| tinwhiskers | *yours | 02:16 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, at least the order in which i send mine is purely determined by Python's hash dictionary whatever thingies. | 02:16 |
| LjL | and also by whether the bot is working | 02:16 |
| dunnp | oxalis: is itsnt an outlier | 02:16 |
| bin_bash | oxalis: yeah, they're not testing people in texas, but also my guess is that because there's such a huge number of beds available that it's not as much of an issue i really dont know | 02:16 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm supposedly on the pacific tsunami mailing list but it's not reliable | 02:16 |
| oxalis | there are alot of beds in Texas... IF you got the cash or serious insurance | 02:17 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, the PTWC seems to have... shut down or something? their site is no longer *there*. i haven't really been able to figure out where they moved, but, subscribe to IOC-TSUNAMI | 02:17 |
| dunnp | look at north carolina | 02:17 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: I got a warning a few weeks ago from them | 02:17 |
| dunnp | oxalis: sort by cases/1M | 02:18 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well if you ever figure out where PTWC has gone, tell me, because my bot kind of used their RSS feeds which are now gone ;( | 02:18 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 02:18 |
| LjL | i found CAP feeds somewhere, possibly on IOC, but my bot doesn't do CAP yet | 02:18 |
| bin_bash | oxalis: if you go to the ER here they can;'t turn you away | 02:18 |
| jester | tinwhiskers, | 02:19 |
| jester | your contagion was it the 2011 version | 02:19 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: https://lists.unesco.org/wws/sigrequest/tsunami-information-ioc | 02:20 |
| tinwhiskers | jester: yeah, but I saw the BBC doco the night before | 02:20 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, this one i'm guessing 🌄 Earthquake! 4.8 Mb tremor, registered by alomax, occurred 12 minutes ago (18:02:05 UTC), during twilight, Tonga Islands (-21.73, -175.12), ↓89 km likely felt 120 km away (in Nukuʻalofa, 'Eua Fo'ou, 'Ohonua, Fua'amotu…) by 41500 people (alomax.free.fr) | 02:20 |
| tinwhiskers | yah | 02:20 |
| jester | i got mine from yify | 02:20 |
| jester | 685 mb 720p | 02:20 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, no i do have that one subscribed, and it kind of gives me timely warnings, but my bot doesn't do email... i guess it could with some work, but what it's used to doing is RSS feeds | 02:21 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: don't bother. It doesn't seem very reliable. | 02:21 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. ok | 02:22 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, right now my bot will tell you POSSIBLE TSUNAMI whenever it thinks it's M7+, at sea, and above 50km depth or so | 02:22 |
| BruntLIVE | Death Watch in the UK. | 02:22 |
| LjL | just so you know in case it makes you run to the hills | 02:22 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 02:22 |
| dunnp | got any hills tinwhiskers? | 02:23 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, run to the hills doesn't mean much for me :-) | 02:23 |
| tinwhiskers | but if I know there is one due in 30 minutes I can make a dash for the mainland | 02:23 |
| LjL | 30 minutes... yikes | 02:23 |
| tinwhiskers | well, it takes 15 minutes but just getting the boat out, etc. | 02:24 |
| tinwhiskers | I could probably get there in 20 minutes | 02:24 |
| dunnp | whats the best strategy? build a flagpole and chain a metal boat to it? | 02:24 |
| tinwhiskers | hope one doesn't happen | 02:24 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, and if it happens it better not be too close | 02:24 |
| tinwhiskers | honestly, they are quite rare events and often far enough away you get some warning | 02:25 |
| tinwhiskers | If we concerned ourselves over all risks in life we wouldn't go out of the house.... or in it. | 02:25 |
| LjL | yeah, except that rare time they aren't, you get 400k deaths | 02:25 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, there's those :-) | 02:25 |
| LjL | although these days 400k deaths is, what, one country's best case scenario? | 02:25 |
| tinwhiskers | true | 02:25 |
| ubLIX | tinwhiskers: how fast is your boat? head out to deep water as fast as possible? | 02:26 |
| ubLIX | i mean, by the time you hit the mainland, you still have to get inland | 02:26 |
| tinwhiskers | There is about 5km or reef between me and deep water, of 1.5km to the mainland. | 02:26 |
| LjL | head out to deep water... i wonder how that'd work out | 02:27 |
| ubLIX | fair enough | 02:27 |
| tinwhiskers | fortunately there is a big hill right at the closest beach | 02:27 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, there will be a lot more deep water if a tsunami hits though | 02:27 |
| LjL | for a while at least | 02:27 |
| tinwhiskers | The highest point on the this island is actually 10m anyway, so that would be enough to avoid all but the ones I wouldn't get much warning about anyway :-) | 02:27 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm not that concerned about them. I'm probably more likely to be killed by a falling coconut | 02:28 |
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| dunnp | so we having a party in tonga after all this? :) | 02:28 |
| tinwhiskers | sure | 02:28 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, what if you get on your boat during a tsunami and then the waves take it under a coconut tree and that kills you? | 02:29 |
| LjL | you have to look at the secondary deaths too | 02:29 |
| bin_bash | lol | 02:29 |
| tinwhiskers | lol. I lose sleep over that scenario :-/ | 02:29 |
| bin_bash | i would too tbh | 02:29 |
| tinwhiskers | a lot of coconuts fall off the trees during earthquakes so a dash to the other end of the island where it is 10 m high could be risky | 02:30 |
| tinwhiskers | (aftershakes) | 02:30 |
| tinwhiskers | it's a 15 min walk normally | 02:30 |
| ubLIX | but you have a sturdy helmet for just this reason, right? | 02:30 |
| tinwhiskers | I actually do :-) | 02:31 |
| LjL | is there famine when the earthquakes make themselves scant due to that being the primary way for the locals to get coconuts? | 02:31 |
| tinwhiskers | a yellow hard hat that washed up on the beach. I put new foam in it. I wear it during storms, which also tend to cause coconuts to fly around. | 02:31 |
| LjL | lol | 02:31 |
| dunnp | haha | 02:31 |
| LjL | clearly no need for Amazon in Tonga | 02:32 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 02:32 |
| tinwhiskers | That's not all. TWO of them washed up so my wife and I both have exactly the same hats! | 02:32 |
| LjL | damn | 02:32 |
| LjL | sometimes i can't do that on Amazon, i'll buy one and then it goes "Out of stock!" | 02:32 |
| tinwhiskers | they both washed up within a couple of months of each other. weird. | 02:32 |
| LjL | creepy... | 02:32 |
| LjL | how many oxygen concentrators wash ashore though?! | 02:33 |
| LjL | i got mine today. it didn't explode, and it produced... some gas | 02:33 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah... we'll see. | 02:33 |
| tinwhiskers | cool | 02:33 |
| tinwhiskers | is the gas flammable? | 02:34 |
| LjL | it makes a very loud *puff* breathing-like noise every few seconds. the manual says that's normal as it's the nitrogen being released | 02:34 |
| jester | easyer than eating beans and onions | 02:34 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 02:34 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yes, i did think that would be a decent way to actually make sure it's oxygen, for some definition of "decent" that includes pretty damned foolish | 02:34 |
| tinwhiskers | so how'd you do it? | 02:34 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i'll just trust the chinese? | 02:34 |
| LjL | it worked last time | 02:35 |
| tinwhiskers | ha ha | 02:35 |
| tinwhiskers | so when testing my oxyhydrogen I filled a balloon, then put a candle under it with a string to swing it under the balloon. | 02:35 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, or, i'll wear my pulse oxymeter and hope it can actually give me a reading of 100% before my brain melts | 02:35 |
| tinwhiskers | I tell you even at 30m away the concussion to my chest was quite something | 02:35 |
| LjL | eek | 02:36 |
| LjL | and then you wonder why your lungs are broken! | 02:36 |
| tinwhiskers | but back in school you used to text for oxygen by putting a glowing stick into a testtube of oxygen and if it was indeed oxygen the stick would ignite. | 02:36 |
| tinwhiskers | That might be safer ^ | 02:36 |
| dunnp | https://sciencing.com/convert-volume-percent-weight-percent-8740558.html | 02:37 |
| dunnp | ^ this could work | 02:37 |
| tinwhiskers | You put an inverted testtube under water and bubble the gas from your source into the testtube, then take it out and put the glowing stick in | 02:37 |
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| dunnp | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQNl2EdteDE @ 2:40 | 02:38 |
| dunnp | much safer than fire :) | 02:38 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i don't understand the glowstick thing, isn't a glowstick something with magic substances isolated from the outsides with plastic? | 02:39 |
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| tinwhiskers | like a stick with an ember on it. Light the stick, let it burn for a while then blow it out, leaving a glowing ember. | 02:39 |
| tinwhiskers | but you really do need to use a very small collector like a test tube. If you used a jar, for example, well that would get entertaining. | 02:41 |
| LjL | i think i feel vaguely more comfortable with dunnp's method :P | 02:41 |
| tinwhiskers | booo! | 02:42 |
| LjL | i wonder... | 02:44 |
| LjL | if i used this thing, as a hypothetical patient who actually needs it, in an enclosed room (as would be likely if someone were self-isolating at home with family around) | 02:44 |
| jester | whats the dead count in india must be high no telemarkters calling | 02:44 |
| tinwhiskers | too soon jester | 02:45 |
| LjL | the tiny tubes would give me 90% oxygen or so, but then the nitrogen missing from that would just be puffed back into the room. and it's not like i'm *not* also breathing the room's air | 02:45 |
| LjL | jester, yeah, like, for real | 02:45 |
| linext | DocScrutinizer05, maybe keep some. i used to do that for deposit slips at the bank | 02:46 |
| linext | keep a few handy so you can get in more quicly | 02:46 |
| jester | packasian the dust buster calls are also down | 02:46 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: does the nitrogen outlet allow for connecting a tube as well? | 02:46 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, no, there isn't an outlet, just some grid | 02:48 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 02:48 |
| dunnp | but you are breathing concentrated O2 | 02:48 |
| LjL | dunnp, it's not like i have a seal with the air that's being pumped into my nose... i'm breathing a bit of that, but also a fair bit of what's in the air | 02:48 |
| tinwhiskers | so if you put the whole thing in an enclosed box with the o2 line going outside it would convert the box into a nitrogen-rich environment. | 02:49 |
| LjL | and at the end of the day i'm just breathing what's in the room anyway! | 02:49 |
| LjL | i'll breathe more concentrated O2 at first, but then the room will kinda be full of nitrogen instead | 02:49 |
| dunnp | no but it is much more concentrated and it isnt a sealed room | 02:49 |
| tinwhiskers | nah, the room will always have the same amount of nitrogen | 02:49 |
| dunnp | but the key is that you are getting your lungs 80% O2 (or whatever it is) instead of 21% | 02:50 |
| tinwhiskers | you'll be losing O2 for CO2, but there's always enough movement to prevent that being a problem | 02:50 |
| dunnp | and it will do that until there is no more oxygen | 02:50 |
| LjL | hm, yeah | 02:51 |
| tinwhiskers | I did once work out how long you could survive in a 20ft shipping container. It was like 1-2 weeks I think for 2 people and a dog :-) | 02:51 |
| tinwhiskers | however, CO2 buildup kills you long before you run out of O2 | 02:51 |
| LjL | if only this thing actually did have a nitrogen outlet... | 02:51 |
| LjL | i could use it as a plan B kind of thing too ;( | 02:52 |
| ubLIX | two weeks even with growing CO2 concentration, tinwhiskers? | 02:52 |
| tinwhiskers | ubLIX: no | 02:52 |
| tinwhiskers | if you could remove the CO2 | 02:52 |
| ubLIX | two weeks of O2, check | 02:52 |
| dunnp | just open your window LjL | 02:52 |
| ubLIX | ^ | 02:52 |
| LjL | clearly we need to evolve to embetter our ability to separate CO2 from O2 | 02:52 |
| LjL | *and* then jump off it, i think you're forgetting that part | 02:53 |
| dunnp | oh you're on the second floor eh? | 02:53 |
| tinwhiskers | so if you can produce nitrogen then if things get too bad you also have a supply of gas to let you quietly and painlessly slip away using an exit-bag | 02:53 |
| LjL | dunnp, or third, depending who you ask | 02:53 |
| LjL | well | 02:53 |
| LjL | actually, third, or fourth | 02:53 |
| dunnp | haha | 02:53 |
| dunnp | how is there a question between 3rd or 4th? | 02:54 |
| LjL | depends whether ground level counts as 0 or 1 | 02:54 |
| dunnp | well there are kinda 3 floors below me but sometimes one isnt there | 02:54 |
| dunnp | oh | 02:54 |
| LjL | different countries do that differently | 02:54 |
| dunnp | ah | 02:54 |
| dunnp | we walk in on the 4th floor for my lab | 02:54 |
| LjL | there was some kind of secret floor that the elevator skipped somewhere at my university | 02:55 |
| dunnp | but in the US ground level is usually first floor | 02:55 |
| LjL | yeah no it's zero here, though rarely called "zero" | 02:55 |
| dunnp | I think that our hispital wants every building to have the same floors so when you walk from one to the other it is the same number | 02:55 |
| LjL | elevators typically had T (terrain) or R (something else), but modern ones do tend to have 0 | 02:55 |
| dunnp | so that results on weird numberings around hills | 02:56 |
| LjL | fun | 02:56 |
| dunnp | so my lab is 4th at ground level then then building goes to B3 (3 underground but actually 6 underground) | 02:56 |
| LjL | there is an elevator in Milan that's pretty crap, and that confuses the hell out of people... 0 is the topmost floor, which is well above street level (but at the level of the pedestrian area there is there), so street level is -1 ,but then there is also -2 which is an underpass to reach the metro and trains | 02:57 |
| LjL | the damn thing is hydraulic and seemingly engineered to be slow at everything | 02:57 |
| LjL | add to that people getting confused and pressing all the buttons | 02:57 |
| LjL | and i am not sure why i wasn't taking the stairs | 02:57 |
| dunnp | haha | 02:57 |
| tinwhiskers | Wait, don't you have the slowest elevator in the world in Italy? | 02:57 |
| ryouma | they could just label them instead of numbering them | 02:57 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, it might just be that one | 02:58 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 02:58 |
| ryouma | they could put a picture | 02:58 |
| LjL | ryouma, that's what they do in places where numbers would do fine instead | 02:58 |
| LjL | best part about that elevator is there's something broken (and never fixed, and i've used it for months) about the emergency call | 02:59 |
| LjL | so after the doors close, and it barely starts moving, you hear "Keep calm. Help will be coming shortly." (except in italian) | 02:59 |
| dunnp | I got stuck in an elevator about 2 months ago | 02:59 |
| dunnp | fun | 02:59 |
| LjL | never got stuck in an elevator, except like for two minutes at university once | 03:00 |
| LjL | and we have SO many elevators... well, but i don't go anywhere | 03:00 |
| LjL | my piano teacher would never take elevators, and she lived at the 6th floor (your 7th) | 03:01 |
| LjL | because she had a "fun" experience once, of an elevator just free-falling until it met the next emergency brake pin | 03:01 |
| LjL | person who was with her had to wear a neck brace for a while | 03:01 |
| LjL | and she just never took an elevator again | 03:01 |
| tinwhiskers | I did actually have recurring nightmares about one elevator at my university. They lasted until well after I left. | 03:02 |
| dunnp | i dont take elevators usually because exercise! | 03:02 |
| LjL | i had recurring nightmares about my elevator for like most of my childhood! and my teenhood! | 03:02 |
| LjL | undeserved, because i was never stuck in it | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 03:02 |
| LjL | despite many other people being stuck in it, since the thing was from the 30s | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 03:02 |
| LjL | but it wasn't very scary to think of being stuck in it... it was large and the doors were glass and there wasn't really an elevator shaft but just an open cage kind of thing | 03:03 |
| LjL | (now it actually free-falling, that *would* be kind of scary, but it wasn't something i was actually scared of when awake...) | 03:03 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, it's the free-falling... shut up | 03:04 |
| LjL | well, sometimes i'd free fall, some other times it would just keep going up after reaching my floor, and i "knew" what was going to happen, so i started hitting the Stop button, but that didn't work, then opened the doors, but that didn't work either, until it broke into the hard ceiling... and i'd wake up | 03:04 |
| dunnp | and I'm freeeeeeeeee | 03:04 |
| dunnp | freee falliinnn | 03:05 |
| LjL | this often happened when my uncle in law was with me in the elevator, despite him never having been with me in any elevator to my knowledge | 03:05 |
| LjL | on the other hand the elevator had handrails, which came in very handy in these nightmare situations where it would do all sorts of nightmarish things. the real elevator never had handrails | 03:06 |
| LjL | so i take that as part of my brain pitying some other part of my brain, while watching a third part of my brain give me nightmares | 03:06 |
| tinwhiskers | ok, I think we have enough to psychoanalyse LJL now. | 03:06 |
| LjL | :x | 03:07 |
| dunnp | yep he lives on the 4th floor | 03:07 |
| LjL | you know the floor, you know the city, you even know it's somewhere vaguely close to its chinatown | 03:08 |
| LjL | should only live some 10k apartments or so? | 03:09 |
| LjL | leave | 03:09 |
| LjL | also | 03:09 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm more concerned about your uncle issues than your location | 03:10 |
| LjL | ! | 03:10 |
| ryouma | in my dialect of english we say uncle even for non-related uncle. uncle in law is unheard of. | 03:11 |
| LjL | so uhm the thing is going up... and i try to Stop it... and it doesn't stop... until it breaks into the ceiling... okay, i get it | 03:11 |
| LjL | %tr <it uno zio acquisito | 03:11 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: an acquired uncle (MyMemory, Google) — An uncle acquired (Apertium) | 03:12 |
| LjL | we don't even have a term for "in law" | 03:12 |
| dunnp | acquired uncle | 03:12 |
| dunnp | what is an uncle in law | 03:13 |
| LjL | %tr <it parenti e congiunti | 03:13 |
| ryouma | i think chinese makles teh distinction | 03:13 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: relatives and relatives (MyMemory, Google) — Relatives and conjoint (Apertium) | 03:13 |
| dunnp | your wife/husbands uncle? | 03:13 |
| LjL | dunnp, my aunt's husband | 03:13 |
| dunnp | ah | 03:13 |
| dunnp | I'd just call that my uncle | 03:13 |
| tinwhiskers | same | 03:13 |
| tinwhiskers | uncle in law would be my wife's uncle | 03:14 |
| LjL | hmm, okay. we kind of do that in italian but we tend to specify if it's not already known | 03:14 |
| tinwhiskers | who I undoubtedly dislike of course | 03:14 |
| dunnp | LjL: is northern italy more red sauces? | 03:14 |
| dunnp | or white sauces | 03:14 |
| LjL | we have specific words for mother in law and uuuh the reverse of that, and i can never remember which means which | 03:14 |
| dunnp | I am craving some italian and need to pull out my grandma's meatball recipe | 03:15 |
| dunnp | *italian food | 03:15 |
| LjL | dunnp, based on a book of traditional Milanese cuisine i skimmed at a bookshop once, it's mostly animal organs i'd normally consider inedible | 03:15 |
| dunnp | ah ok | 03:15 |
| dunnp | sweet meats | 03:16 |
| LjL | but thankfully we have globalization now | 03:16 |
| dunnp | sweat breads? | 03:16 |
| dunnp | blah | 03:16 |
| ryouma | not sure if a fisrt cousin once removed can be an uncle or aunt | 03:16 |
| LjL | so i can like... eat spaghetti with tomato sauce now, and it doesn't even feel foreign | 03:16 |
| dunnp | .. its not? | 03:16 |
| dunnp | is it? | 03:16 |
| LjL | dunnp, but seriously, north would have been white, and no olive oil | 03:17 |
| dunnp | you dont do tomato sauce in milan? | 03:17 |
| LjL | we do everything everywhere | 03:17 |
| dunnp | if there is no olive oil, what is there? | 03:17 |
| LjL | butter | 03:17 |
| dunnp | ah | 03:17 |
| LjL | but really it depends on whether we're talking traditional, or what people do now | 03:17 |
| LjL | like... my grandma would be more on the butter side, still | 03:17 |
| dunnp | butter and parsley? | 03:17 |
| LjL | goddamn parsley | 03:18 |
| LjL | parsley haunted me at restaurants as a kid. and also not as a kid. | 03:18 |
| dunnp | haha | 03:18 |
| LjL | "there is no parsley in this right? RIGHT?" "sure!" *comes with parsley* | 03:18 |
| LjL | but i even eat carrots now, so i might try parsley and realize i love it | 03:19 |
| LjL | but also, pasta with just butter and sage. now that is okay. | 03:19 |
| ryouma | obama and dick cheney are 8th cousins | 03:20 |
| dunnp | yep | 03:20 |
| dunnp | have sage growing in my garden | 03:20 |
| LjL | ryouma, 8th... i'd have to draw a chart | 03:20 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: I may well be your 8th cousin | 03:20 |
| ryouma | do pasta shapes hold non-pasta ingredients so differently nobody would think to use the wrong one with the wrong one, other than tradition? | 03:21 |
| LjL | we have basil, i wonder if we could grow some other things in our ridiculously tiny balcony. or maybe hydroponics | 03:21 |
| pokiehl | Basil grows well in little pots | 03:21 |
| LjL | ryouma, a bit of column one and a bit of column two | 03:21 |
| tinwhiskers | basil is one of the few we can grow here without it getting eaten. We grow it in pots too. | 03:21 |
| ryouma | so it is just combinatorics? | 03:22 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, are we the only animals who appreciate basil? | 03:22 |
| Toadisattva | oooh I do need to plant some basil | 03:22 |
| LjL | ryouma, it basically boils down to, how willing are you to have a decent enough pasta dish, but it being ruined by some italian yelling into your ear that it's all wrong? | 03:22 |
| tinwhiskers | If we plant it out it gets destroyed so something likes it | 03:22 |
| tinwhiskers | probably the slugs | 03:23 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, salt, salt everywhere! | 03:23 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 03:23 |
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| dunnp | deer eat my stuff | 03:24 |
| dunnp | but I put up a fence | 03:24 |
| dunnp | I have a huge garden but I am tearing it down this year to rebuild it | 03:24 |
| tinwhiskers | really you should be eating the deer | 03:25 |
| tinwhiskers | unless they are those tb-ridden whitetails | 03:25 |
| LjL | remember how this pandemic got here? REMEMBER? | 03:26 |
| tinwhiskers | oh... yeah. too soon. | 03:26 |
| LjL | but... deer salami is good | 03:27 |
| tinwhiskers | btw, earlier today I added an option to the doubling time graph to use deaths or confirmed cases. | 03:27 |
| pokiehl | If you must, cook it through :P | 03:27 |
| tinwhiskers | deer salami is most excellent! | 03:27 |
| pokiehl | I don't think it would survive cooking it in a pit overnight | 03:28 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, our deaths doubling time looks much smoother and less weird than our case doubling time | 03:28 |
| pokiehl | Deer tamales are also pretty good | 03:29 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, early on the confirmed counts would sit at the same level and go up in fits and bursts whereas the deaths were much more orderly | 03:29 |
| dunnp | eh i dono about salami | 03:30 |
| tinwhiskers | doing the doubling time on cases that don't increase for a week = infinity | 03:30 |
| dunnp | from deer | 03:30 |
| dunnp | all about the veggies: https://i.imgur.com/NtWVB0Y.jpg | 03:31 |
| tinwhiskers | of course you need to add 50% pork fat. deer has practically no fat. | 03:31 |
| tinwhiskers | (that might be a slight exaggeration) | 03:31 |
| tinwhiskers | most good sausages are about 30% fat though | 03:31 |
| pokiehl | Yeah it has little, deer can get tough easily | 03:32 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, in many cases "deer salami" i've seen was like 60% pork | 03:32 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. ok | 03:32 |
| LjL | was a bit perplexed since generally the EU doesn't let you label something something until there's at least >50% of something | 03:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Back home in NZ I raised sheep, killed and butchered all our meat, and we regularly made sausages. It's quite fun making up sausage recipes. | 03:33 |
| tinwhiskers | I did raise cattle too but had someone else butcher those. They are just so unmanageable. | 03:34 |
| LjL | hypocritical carnivore here, would never do that, or at least not eat the meat afterwards | 03:35 |
| tinwhiskers | My neighbour could dress a sheep in about 5 minutes from hoof to hook. I take about 30-40 minutes :-/ | 03:35 |
| LjL | (to be fair i'm mostly a hypocritical vegetarian though, with some meat thrown in very sparsely) | 03:35 |
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| tinwhiskers | I always figured growing your own meat is the most ethical way to do it if you're going to eat meat. | 03:36 |
| tinwhiskers | *growing and killing | 03:36 |
| tinwhiskers | the killing isn't a pleasant thing as you do get to know some of them, but it's part of the job. | 03:36 |
| LjL | this is where i link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FhVvNGsJV8 | 03:38 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 03:39 |
| tinwhiskers | I gave jellybean, my judas pet sheep away to a friend when I moved to tonga but the rest went to the yards for sale. I couldn't east jellybean. | 03:39 |
| tinwhiskers | *eat | 03:40 |
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| ryouma | what does that compare to flu | 04:16 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: I thought you've been here long enough to stop trying to make comparisons to the flu. You're asking how does a few weeks of this virus just entering the early phase of increase and that doesn't have a season compare to the seasonal flu in one full season? | 04:19 |
| ryouma | not at all | 04:20 |
| ryouma | i was wondering where flu is now in, e.g. georgia. i get the problem and am not comparing the two as events. just curious about what the flu numbers are. | 04:21 |
| ryouma | like, what are hospitals dealing with wrt flu right now, regardless of exponentials and lack of immunity and all that | 04:22 |
| ryouma | you migth be confusing me with elon musk. i can see why you might do that. i purchase icbms from the former ussr all the time just like him. but, in contrast, i never called covid a cold and demeaned my employees by saying they should stay home because they have their panties in a bunch over nothing. | 04:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:31 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in intensive care as US deaths approach 11,000 → https://is.gd/r4k1w4 | 04:42 |
| xrogaan | I've heard several people saying the US is under counting deaths, is there any merits to that claim? | 04:45 |
| jester | china even more | 04:46 |
| jester | https://covidtracking.com/data/us-daily/ | 04:48 |
| tinwhiskers | xrogaan: each state publishes its own data so that would require quite a conspiracy to pull off. | 04:53 |
| tinwhiskers | You would also require the democrat states to go along with it and keep quiet. | 04:54 |
| xrogaan | oh, not a conspiracy. | 04:55 |
| tinwhiskers | well, it would require people in each state administration to fake their data and keep quiet about it... that is the definition of a conspiracy | 04:55 |
| tinwhiskers | people conspiring together | 04:56 |
| ryouma | i know my state in sw us had only a few test kits a few weeks ago and was bragging that that was a lot and they could even get more. now they are saying oh no htere are not enough test kits. | 04:56 |
| xrogaan | tinwhiskers: you don't need to fake data, simply define standards in a specific way. | 04:56 |
| ryouma | undercounting can be done by just letting incompetents be incompetents, no conspiracy needed i think | 04:57 |
| tinwhiskers | if you define standards such that you intentionally under-report deaths then it's a conspiracy. If it's not intentional then it's not under-reporting. | 04:58 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't think they can just miss the deaths | 04:58 |
| xrogaan | Just like petty chiefs telling their employee that wearing masks is "unprofessional", and corporate to come and say they never ordered their workforce to not wear masks. | 04:58 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm sure the state medical system is doing very much the same quality of job in reporting deaths as most other places. | 04:59 |
| tinwhiskers | *state medical systems | 04:59 |
| tinwhiskers | Other people make accusation of over-reporting deaths as being caused by covid-19 | 05:00 |
| ecrockz123 | !india | 05:03 |
| jester | telemarkters | 05:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:53 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in intensive care as China records no deaths for first time since January → https://is.gd/r4k1w4 | 05:04 |
| ryouma | that is encouraging | 05:07 |
| ryouma | tinwhiskers: are you referring to misdiagnosis? | 05:08 |
| tinwhiskers | People are saying that regardless of cause of death, if people are infected then it's classified as a covid-19 death. I dispute that also. | 05:09 |
| tinwhiskers | Medical professionals are pragmatic in attributing cause of death. Those in the US are not more or less capable than medical professionals elsewhere so there's no reason to expect them to be over- or under-reporting unless you want to invoke a conspiracy. | 05:11 |
| ecrockz123 | !usa | 05:11 |
| CoronaBot | Top ten infected states: New York: #1 (131,916), New Jersey: #2 (41,090), Michigan: #3 (17,221), California: #4 (16,342), Louisiana: #5 (14,867), Massachusetts: #6 (13,837), Florida: #7 (13,629), Pennsylvania: #8 (13,127), Illinois: #9 (12,262), Washington: #10 (8,384) | 05:11 |
| tinwhiskers | Sure, there's variation between countries, but that is not really the same thing as "under-reporting" | 05:11 |
| ecrockz123 | query CoronaBot | 05:12 |
| ryouma | i was referrring to competence of authorities | 05:14 |
| ryouma | availability of test kits etc. | 05:14 |
| tinwhiskers | when you say authorities do you mean the medical professionals making the declarations of cause of death, or those they report the deaths to? | 05:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:09 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live news: legal action challenges order for all cruise ships to leave Australian waters – latest updates → https://is.gd/3Jsr6o | 05:16 |
| tinwhiskers | i.e. which authorities are you saying are less competent than their counterparts in other countries? | 05:16 |
| ryouma | don't really feel like getting dragged into this, and limited in computer use. if i offended you, i apologize. | 05:19 |
| ryouma | didn't realize we were talking about deaths only | 05:20 |
| tinwhiskers | You didn't offend me. It's just this broken record of pseudo-conspiracy theories | 05:20 |
| ryouma | don't dump that on me | 05:20 |
| tinwhiskers | You seemed to be trying to validate it | 05:20 |
| ryouma | i think politicians and bureaucrats ahve been dilatory and incompetent in many places around the world. taht is my opinion. i am not goign to shake that opinoin just becuase you call it a pseudo conspuiracy theory! | 05:21 |
| ryouma | trying to validate nothing | 05:21 |
| tinwhiskers | then why single out the US as "under-reporting" that's a specific accusation, not general worldwide incompetence. | 05:21 |
| ryouma | check what i did and didn't say. i don't want to get dragged into this. | 05:22 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 05:22 |
| ryouma | i do not single out us | 05:23 |
| tinwhiskers | ok, I don't know why you stepped in to try and defend the accusation then | 05:23 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: A second potential COVID-19 vaccine, backed by Bill and Melinda Gates, is entering human testing (10689 votes) | https://redd.it/fw7dl2 | 05:23 |
| ryouma | you are imputing motive for just a comment. i wish i hadn't said anything. didn't think i woudl be attacked. | 05:23 |
| ryouma | no i am not anti-us. no i am not pro conspiracy. happy? | 05:23 |
| tinwhiskers | that's fine then if you're saying you don't believe the US is under-reporting as the OP claimed. | 05:24 |
| ryouma | i did not single out us | 05:24 |
| ryouma | where did i single out us? i talked about my own case. onluy. | 05:24 |
| ryouma | i'm really uncomfortable now | 05:24 |
| tinwhiskers | erm. ok | 05:25 |
| ryouma | you're putting owrds inmy mouth i think | 05:25 |
| ryouma | are you a big america fuck yeah person or something? | 05:28 |
| ryouma | it was just a comment | 05:28 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm saying the claims that people keep coming in here and saying the US is over-reporting or under-reporting are just a load of truther/conspiracy bunk. I'm not pro-america. I'm anti FUD. | 05:29 |
| tinwhiskers | (and not just the US. I'm not from the US, but they get the most truthers) | 05:29 |
| ryouma | i missed most of those claims and really do not take kindly to being lumped with some hated group | 05:30 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 05:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:22 UTC: Australia coronavirus live news: Scott Morrison to give update on Covid-19 response – latest updates: Government expected to release modelling of coronavirus cases as fatalities reach 45. Meanwhile, legal action challenges order for all cruise ships to leave Australian waters. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/3Jsr6o | 05:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in intensive care as China records no deaths for first time since January → https://is.gd/r4k1w4 | 05:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American at 03:47 UTC: Coronavirus Can Infect Cats: A Bronx Zoo tiger tested positive for the virus, and studies show that house cats--but apparently not dogs--can become infected. -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/4UFt0c | 06:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +669 cases (now 1348207), +70 deaths (now 74796), +7539 recoveries (now 286234) since 2 hours ago — Germany: +7381 recoveries (now 36081) since 2 hours ago — US: +625 cases (now 367629), +70 deaths (now 10941), +139 recoveries (now 19810) since 2 hours ago | 06:05 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: To escape the bubonic plague, Isaac Newton left London for the near total solitude of his family farm, where he invented calculus, created the science of motion, unravelled gravity, and more. Or so the story goes. (10037 votes) | https://redd.it/fw5hgn | 06:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:54 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in intensive care as China records no deaths for first time since January → https://is.gd/r4k1w4 | 06:11 |
| tinwhiskers | Here's a pre-print of a very preliminary study involving treatment using convalescent plasma https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012369220305717. Just four patients... not very compelling. | 06:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:15 UTC: Australia coronavirus live news: Scott Morrison gives update on Covid-19 response – latest updates: Government to release modelling of coronavirus cases as fatalities reach 45. Meanwhile, legal action challenges order for all cruise ships to leave Australian waters. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/3Jsr6o | 06:23 |
| tinwhiskers | Another 5 people treated using convalescent plasma: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763983 | 06:25 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh... Covid-19: FDA approves use of convalescent plasma to treat critically ill patients (https://www.bmj.com/content/368/bmj.m1256) | 06:26 |
| tinwhiskers | This might not be a treatment that will scale to the entire population but it's nice to know rich people will be ok :-/ | 06:27 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: andlord changes locks on California church after pastor said he'd continue to hold services (10293 votes) | https://redd.it/fwaucf | 06:29 |
| ryouma | if b cells produce antibodies using dna, and if crispr-cas or some tech can change or some tech can produce dna fragments to order, then can we, in principle, id the antibodies in question, then produce them at industrial scale using in vitro b cells? | 06:29 |
| ryouma | the lord changed teh locks? | 06:30 |
| tinwhiskers | So this also answers a question I had... each patient received 2 consecutive transfusions of 200 to 250 mL of ABO-compatible convalescent plasma (400 mL of convalescent plasma in total) on the same day it was obtained from the donor. | 06:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 04:31 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/T8yqpT | 06:34 |
| tinwhiskers | The take-home is apparently that sufficient convalescent plasma to treat someone can be taken from a single recovered patient. | 06:39 |
| euod[m] | that seems to scale poorly. | 06:42 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, not great :-) | 06:42 |
| tinwhiskers | I mean there's 20K recovered patients in the US now, but it's no small job. | 06:42 |
| tinwhiskers | If you're only using this on critical patients it's possible you could make a dent | 06:43 |
| ryouma | if you keep everybody in lockdown forever, you can get a steady supply of blood that matches the supply of those who need it | 06:43 |
| ryouma | until vaccine | 06:43 |
| tinwhiskers | Of course donors can donate multiple times as well, with a bit of a break between. | 06:45 |
| tinwhiskers | Some blood centers are now prepared to collect convalescent plasma (https://www.kristv.com/news/coronavirus/coastal-bend-blood-center-ready-to-collect-convalescent-plasma) | 06:47 |
| sneep | Damn, Boris Johnson is in intensive care | 06:49 |
| tinwhiskers | This one is from wired but has details of a surprising amount of progress toward using convalescent plasma: https://www.wired.com/story/trials-of-plasma-from-recovered-covid-19-patients-have-begun/ | 06:50 |
| tinwhiskers | Some hospitals are already administering convalescent plasma to critical Covid-19 patients, a so-called “compassionate use” | 06:50 |
| lf94 | i guess this is a new term we'll see used in the next day or two | 06:52 |
| tinwhiskers | Well, it's been mentioned from the outset because it has a long history of success from polio to ebola. It's likely to work. | 06:53 |
| tinwhiskers | it just doesn't scale was well as a vaccine or drug | 06:54 |
| tinwhiskers | *as well | 06:54 |
| fierycatnet | anyone had it? I think I did | 06:55 |
| tinwhiskers | It seems like 90% of people think they've had it :-/ | 06:55 |
| fierycatnet | well, they probably did | 06:56 |
| swift110 | oh true | 06:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:44 UTC: Australia coronavirus live news: Scott Morrison gives update on Covid-19 response – latest updates: Government to release modelling of coronavirus cases as fatalities reach 45. Meanwhile, legal action challenges order for all cruise ships to leave Australian waters. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/3Jsr6o | 06:56 |
| fierycatnet | its more widespread than most people think | 06:56 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, nah | 06:56 |
| fierycatnet | lol.. | 06:56 |
| tinwhiskers | That's just truther wisdom | 06:57 |
| fierycatnet | you do realize that you dont have to be on a ventilator to have it right? | 06:57 |
| tinwhiskers | I do. You do realise we have epidemiological evidence the rules out that many people having it? | 06:57 |
| fierycatnet | my friends family had it, my family had, the doctors told everyone to sit at home and monitor symptoms for complications | 06:58 |
| fierycatnet | they dont even have enough tests | 06:58 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, it's possible you have had it | 06:58 |
| swift110 | oh wow | 06:58 |
| fierycatnet | its probably, not just possible | 06:58 |
| euod[m] | possible. that doesn't mean it's safe for you to go out and take risk. | 06:58 |
| fierycatnet | probable* | 06:58 |
| tinwhiskers | but it's not likely that *everyone* who claims they have had it really has | 06:58 |
| ryouma | they do have proportion positive of the tests they do have | 06:58 |
| fierycatnet | I'm not going to argue, believe what you believe | 06:59 |
| ryouma | and if that is not 100% then the idea is not correct unless the tests are wrong | 06:59 |
| euod[m] | no, some people are just being drama queens, some are hypochondriacs, some are confused. but there's also people who have it and just never realise. so it's hard to say what's actually going on other than the death count. | 06:59 |
| ryouma | and some just have the flue or a cold | 07:00 |
| tinwhiskers | euod[m]++ | 07:00 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma++ | 07:00 |
| fierycatnet | most people are asymptomatic, people I know had flue like symptoms two weeks ago, what do you think it was? | 07:00 |
| lf94 | fierycatnet: when do you think you had it | 07:00 |
| jester | https://www.kristv.com/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-tracker | 07:01 |
| tinwhiskers | there are countries that have done decent testing and the evidence does not point to the sort of numbers of asymptomatic cases you're hinting at | 07:01 |
| fierycatnet | two weeks ago, state of Texas. My friend's work had 2 positive people, then he had a flu like symptoms and his whole family | 07:01 |
| euod[m] | unless they get tested, who knows, we can't tell you and you can't know. | 07:01 |
| fierycatnet | majority of people can fight this off, those who can't are the ones you see being tested because symptoms are sever | 07:01 |
| tinwhiskers | fierycatnet: that's just untrue | 07:02 |
| tinwhiskers | do not assume you have had it | 07:02 |
| tinwhiskers | In other countries the testing is more thorough and does not agree with your conclusion. | 07:02 |
| fierycatnet | I haven't had a flu in 5 years... this thing knocked me out for 2 days with 103 fever, chills. | 07:03 |
| tinwhiskers | If you go out thinking you're safe you are putting yourself and others at risk | 07:03 |
| tinwhiskers | you don't *know* you have had it. | 07:03 |
| fierycatnet | okay mate | 07:03 |
| fierycatnet | just please dont tell me its a hoax | 07:03 |
| tinwhiskers | it's not a hoax and it's possible you have had it | 07:03 |
| jester | https://www.kristv.com/news/community/vista-semanal/local/cdc-changes-recommendation-everyone-should-wear-masks | 07:03 |
| fierycatnet | ok then | 07:04 |
| euod[m] | fierycatnet: that doesn't really mean anything though. maybe you did, maybe you didn't, unless you get test for it you don't really know if you're immune or not. that's all we're saying. | 07:04 |
| lf94 | lmfao | 07:04 |
| lf94 | jester: too funny | 07:04 |
| euod[m] | nobody is saying it's a hoax. | 07:04 |
| lf94 | question guys: is it possible covid19 was here in feb? | 07:04 |
| euod[m] | where's here? | 07:04 |
| tinwhiskers | lf94: yes, but no you didn't get it | 07:04 |
| lf94 | usa | 07:04 |
| fierycatnet | it is more contagious than a flu, so what are we arguing about? | 07:04 |
| lf94 | euod[m]: you would know? | 07:05 |
| ryouma | you can get tested for antibodies at some point | 07:05 |
| ryouma | maybe | 07:05 |
| euod[m] | at the end of the day, we're stuck looking at the same data as everyone else. | 07:05 |
| tinwhiskers | people come in here all the time with the same story lf94 and fierycatnet. The epidemiology does not support the widespread existence of asymptomatic cases. | 07:05 |
| fierycatnet | if they start making testing kits that are accessible... you'll see how many people actually have it | 07:06 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: why are you including me | 07:06 |
| lf94 | what is my story | 07:06 |
| fierycatnet | tin, buddy, are you one of those nerds with "achshuatlly epidemopology"... | 07:06 |
| ryouma | is it known when you stop shedding? | 07:06 |
| fierycatnet | have you been outside? | 07:07 |
| lf94 | lmfao. | 07:07 |
| euod[m] | fierycatnet: I doubt people will be able to actually use a kit that involves you shoving a q tip down your throat through your nose and get a reasonable result. | 07:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:00 UTC: Hospices: Sue Ryder may close hospices as lockdown blows hole in budget → https://is.gd/XLkMdz | 07:07 |
| fierycatnet | if you're in US, half of you probably had it and don't even know about it | 07:08 |
| euod[m] | ryouma: depends what you read. there were some comments about it lasting a week after the symptoms are gone. | 07:08 |
| tinwhiskers | There may be ten or so times the number of asymptomatic cases as confirmed cases but it's not the majority of the country. And back at the start of Feb that amounts to like 70 people in total. | 07:08 |
| tinwhiskers | fierycatnet: that's nonsense | 07:08 |
| euod[m] | fierycatnet: that's completely baseless. | 07:08 |
| fierycatnet | some major denial in here | 07:09 |
| euod[m] | come up with a single medical reference for "half the US has had corvid19". | 07:09 |
| fierycatnet | its nothing to be afraid of by the way... the sever cases are rare, despite the media folks | 07:09 |
| lf94 | euod[m]: there is no empirical evidence but anecdotal evidence is still evidence | 07:09 |
| tinwhiskers | there is no anecdotal evidence | 07:10 |
| fierycatnet | there is, I just told you | 07:10 |
| lf94 | there is no spoon | 07:10 |
| euod[m] | your "evidence" is your statement that it happened? | 07:10 |
| fierycatnet | my evidence is I HAD IT, my family HAD it, my friends HAD it | 07:11 |
| tinwhiskers | You don't have evidence you had it | 07:11 |
| euod[m] | this goose shits gold eggs. anecdotal evidence, my comment about it, is evidence of the gold eggs. | 07:11 |
| fierycatnet | we've been in contact with those who tested positive | 07:11 |
| tinwhiskers | but it's possible you *did* have it, still that doesn't nothing to prove that half of the US has had it; just that you were unlucky. | 07:11 |
| fierycatnet | if I could take a test I would | 07:11 |
| euod[m] | that doesn't mean you have had it. and it's idiotic to expand your personal situation to 300M people. | 07:12 |
| fierycatnet | its not idiotic, countries went full national emergency | 07:12 |
| euod[m] | what does that have to do with anything. | 07:13 |
| tinwhiskers | If it were that widespread there would be a lot more dead people because we know from countries that have done decent testing what the approximate proportions of asymptomatic/symptomatic/severe are | 07:13 |
| lf94 | "it's idiotic" - I mean, if we're talking 10 people, then 10/10 people he knew were infected... | 07:13 |
| lf94 | that's gotta mean _something_ | 07:13 |
| tinwhiskers | EPIDEMIOLOGY, not made-up-shit | 07:13 |
| euod[m] | could mean they just really like orgies. or somone sneezes in their hummus. | 07:13 |
| lf94 | euod[m]: you cant get infected through ingesting it | 07:14 |
| euod[m] | a sample size of 10 people in close quarters does not stand as a representation of 300M people. | 07:14 |
| fierycatnet | and you have phd in that? | 07:14 |
| lf94 | so just the 1st one | 07:14 |
| fierycatnet | stop using epidemology as a shield | 07:14 |
| lf94 | fierycatnet: euod concludes too many orgies | 07:14 |
| euod[m] | stop making up horse shit. | 07:14 |
| fierycatnet | wake up bud, it's pretty widespread | 07:14 |
| tinwhiskers | Stop using bullcrap as a shield | 07:14 |
| lf94 | good debate gentlemen | 07:14 |
| fierycatnet | At this point what would it take? | 07:15 |
| ryouma | pandemics do tend to be widespread | 07:15 |
| tinwhiskers | d'oh | 07:15 |
| fierycatnet | thousands of dropping dead so you are convicned? | 07:15 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, it would take that, because then it would indicate you are correct | 07:15 |
| fierycatnet | they had statistic that 50%+ are asymptomatic and dont develop sever symptoms | 07:15 |
| fierycatnet | no it wouldnt | 07:16 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, man | 07:16 |
| euod[m] | if that stat were true, then 50% of the US couldn't have been infected. | 07:16 |
| euod[m] | because it would mean 150M people weren't asymptomatic. | 07:16 |
| lf94 | <SteveIrwin>And 'ere we see some 'umans | 07:16 |
| euod[m] | er 75M . | 07:16 |
| tinwhiskers | heh true euod[m] | 07:16 |
| tinwhiskers | hoist by his own petard | 07:16 |
| fierycatnet | I've made a huge mistake joining this autistic freenode channel | 07:17 |
| tinwhiskers | I think we should put this to bed now | 07:17 |
| lf94 | tuck it in | 07:17 |
| fierycatnet | you gents believe whatever you want to belive behind your monitor | 07:17 |
| tinwhiskers | spreading disinformation is harmful | 07:17 |
| fierycatnet | this is more widespread than you think, that is all | 07:17 |
| fierycatnet | most of these cases are unreported, fact | 07:17 |
| tinwhiskers | take that elsewhere | 07:17 |
| Midnght_J | world qide | 07:18 |
| fierycatnet | its not disinformation | 07:18 |
| tinwhiskers | you simply don't understand the basics and that is alling you to spread misinformation | 07:18 |
| tinwhiskers | err. dis | 07:18 |
| fierycatnet | i just told you, doctors are saying to stay home, 5 people I know who are | 07:18 |
| lf94 | ok guys | 07:18 |
| lf94 | "misinformation" | 07:18 |
| lf94 | this is all conjecture | 07:18 |
| ryouma | i'm losing the plot here. what is your point, in one sentence? | 07:18 |
| euod[m] | again you're trying to expand 5 people to 300 million people. | 07:18 |
| tinwhiskers | lf94: ok :-) | 07:18 |
| lf94 | like come on, we are just talking | 07:19 |
| tinwhiskers | this is not *all* conjecture. the epidemiology is based on evidence. fierycatnet's story is just that. | 07:19 |
| fierycatnet | my fucking point is super simple, for ever person who is tested (gets approved for a test) 5 are staying home because symptoms match but they are not sever, numbers are misrepresented and its worse | 07:19 |
| euod[m] | lf94: just talking doesn't involve strong statements. "I think that infection could be widespread" is different to "50% of the US have already been infected". | 07:19 |
| euod[m] | fierycatnet: baseless. | 07:19 |
| lf94 | euod[m]: agreed the way to say it matters | 07:20 |
| fierycatnet | fine, watch this unfold further in the US and the world | 07:20 |
| euod[m] | fierycatnet: your sample size of 5 people is idiotic. | 07:20 |
| fierycatnet | put your head in the sand | 07:20 |
| lf94 | euod[m]: when they say "50% are infected", I interpret it as "my gut is telling me, a lot of people are infected" | 07:20 |
| euod[m] | fierycatnet: come back when your sample size could be called an orgy or larger. | 07:20 |
| lf94 | it's not helping anyone to take things what people type literally | 07:20 |
| lf94 | even what they say | 07:20 |
| fierycatnet | aint that some shit then, out of people i talk to i already know 5 who were infected | 07:20 |
| lf94 | you need to interpret what people say in like 10 different ways | 07:20 |
| tinwhiskers | fierycatnet: I'm actually saying for every person with it confirmed there might be ten not showing symptoms (more than what you're now claiming) but the mats doesn't add up to 50% of the population. | 07:21 |
| tinwhiskers | this is a logic and maths failure | 07:21 |
| yuriwho | it's amazing how everyone is the expert on the virus that knows a secret that the gvmt and the doctors are all trying to hide from the world | 07:21 |
| lf94 | what are they hiding | 07:21 |
| euod[m] | lf94: mostly for conversations like this, there's not a lot of tone or humor. nobody is joking, or making light conversation. it's a bunch of people who are trying to make sense of a bunch of information that's clearly out of their norm. | 07:21 |
| fierycatnet | how autistic are you? 50%? let it go idiot, whre did you get that number and why are you clinging to it | 07:21 |
| fierycatnet | bigger picture dumbass | 07:21 |
| euod[m] | fierycatnet: bigger sample size, dumbass. | 07:22 |
| lf94 | euod[m]: well yeah now everyone's pissed off lmfao | 07:22 |
| lf94 | people gotta go for a run or something | 07:22 |
| fierycatnet | go to john hopkins for a bigger sample | 07:22 |
| lf94 | being inside is killing us | 07:22 |
| ryouma | a bunch of nerds in this channel go to jhu all the time | 07:23 |
| euod[m] | lf94: I'm sort of amused by the whole covid-19 thing in general, as much as possible given the situation. it's a great demonstration of how few people understand basic statistics. | 07:23 |
| fierycatnet | oh look, we are in statistics class now | 07:23 |
| lf94 | euod[m]: i like observing the behaviors | 07:23 |
| fierycatnet | lets get it down to the 0.000000000001 | 07:23 |
| lf94 | hahaha | 07:23 |
| fierycatnet | thats the most important thing, lmao | 07:23 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah. so spreading this sort of confusing message that is completely at odds with the evidence is harmful. This is just a fairytale, and although you're welcome to your opinion you can't keep spreading that FUD here, so take it elsewhere. | 07:24 |
| euod[m] | fierycatnet: we're applying middle school math here. let me know if we're going too fast for you. | 07:24 |
| lf94 | > still takes jabs | 07:24 |
| lf94 | someone's gotta be the bigger man here | 07:24 |
| tinwhiskers | so many truthers today | 07:25 |
| pwr22 | Yeah, try to be nice 🤦♂️ | 07:25 |
| fierycatnet | at the end of the day, you are focusing on some number, while I claim that it's more widespread and I know people who had it, it's unreported, and Ive had it ffs. | 07:25 |
| euod[m] | no you think you've had it ;) | 07:25 |
| euod[m] | big difference. | 07:25 |
| fierycatnet | sorry bud, I dont work for NSA, I don't have every single citizen counted | 07:25 |
| lf94 | yeeessssssss | 07:25 |
| fierycatnet | perhaps you do | 07:25 |
| lf94 | euod[m]: nice one | 07:25 |
| pwr22 | I don't think anyone here doubts that bit everyone who gets it gets tested | 07:26 |
| lf94 | "Ive had it ffs" | 07:26 |
| lf94 | did you see that double entendre | 07:26 |
| lf94 | comical genius | 07:26 |
| pwr22 | *not | 07:26 |
| fierycatnet | not everybody gets tested thats the problem | 07:26 |
| lf94 | I interpreted it as "Ive had it ffs [with this conversation]" | 07:26 |
| fierycatnet | whats the point of this channel anyway? statistics? | 07:27 |
| euod[m] | pwr22: of course not, we know there's under reporting. this doesn't match up with the statements "50% of the US has had it and doesn't know it", and it definitely doesn't mean that they can go forth assuming they are immune to it- as they've never known for sure if they have had it or not. | 07:27 |
| yuriwho | you guys should listen to the "this week in virology" podcast. they get Doctors from the NYC hospitals to describe in great detail the issues they are discovering in the patients, they examine the data from various nations, interview epidemiologists, speak to researchers, explain how all of the various test work etc. And it's hosted by virologists that work with the virus in their labs | 07:27 |
| tinwhiskers | Again, in some countries there is sufficiently widespread testing that we DO know approximately how many asymptomatic cases there are and it's not in the order you are suggesting. | 07:27 |
| fierycatnet | I never claimed 50% of the US had it, get off my nuts | 07:28 |
| pwr22 | euod I agree | 07:28 |
| tinwhiskers | at one point you said it was possible 90% of the USA had it | 07:28 |
| fierycatnet | you pulled a number out of your ass and use it against me to make some strawman | 07:28 |
| fierycatnet | no I didnt | 07:28 |
| fierycatnet | quote me | 07:28 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: even if he did | 07:28 |
| lf94 | probably in-the-moment exaggeration | 07:28 |
| euod[m] | fierycatnet: "if you're in US, half of you probably had it and don't even know about it" | 07:28 |
| lf94 | "90%" translate to "a lot" | 07:28 |
| fierycatnet | PROBABLY had it | 07:29 |
| fierycatnet | I never claimed that you HAD IT FOR CERTAIN | 07:29 |
| lf94 | so that mneans | 07:29 |
| tinwhiskers | <tinwhiskers> It seems like 90% of people think they've had it :-/ <fierycatnet> well, they probably did | 07:29 |
| lf94 | 50% - probably% | 07:29 |
| lf94 | what's the math on that one euod[m] | 07:29 |
| lf94 | is it reducible | 07:29 |
| pwr22 | Probably does not mean may have. It means likely... | 07:29 |
| euod[m] | lf94: who knows. | 07:29 |
| fierycatnet | it wasn't a statistical certainly, it was a conversation maker to make a point that the number is higher because its unreported | 07:30 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, so he's saying it's likely, when in fact it is not remotely possible | 07:30 |
| fierycatnet | autist | 07:30 |
| lf94 | pwr22: should i be using a plus sign then | 07:30 |
| ryouma | please to not use autism as an insult | 07:30 |
| fierycatnet | jesus, assburgers all over up in this bitch | 07:30 |
| yuriwho | this certainly is viral in the # of psychosomatic cases everywhere | 07:30 |
| tinwhiskers | fierycatnet: ok, that's enough from you | 07:30 |
| fierycatnet | fuck you | 07:30 |
| fierycatnet | all of you autists | 07:31 |
| yuriwho | lol | 07:31 |
| tinwhiskers | peddle your stories somewhere else | 07:31 |
| fierycatnet | achstually covid according to epidemplogists bla bla bla | 07:31 |
| lf94 | fierycatnet: not ok to call names though man :) | 07:31 |
| fierycatnet | lighten up ffs | 07:31 |
| pwr22 | Insults like this aren't ever acceptable imo | 07:32 |
| lf94 | agreed | 07:32 |
| fierycatnet | according to who | 07:32 |
| tinwhiskers | fierycatnet: yes, maybe up to 10 or so times as many asymptomatic cases as positive tests. You happy with that figure? | 07:32 |
| fierycatnet | yes | 07:32 |
| pwr22 | People are allowed to disagree | 07:32 |
| fierycatnet | very happy ty | 07:32 |
| pwr22 | Doesn't mean there's something wrong with them or it's ok for you to insult them | 07:33 |
| lf94 | +1 | 07:33 |
| pwr22 | <fierycatnet "according to who"> According to treating people with respect 🙂 | 07:33 |
| fierycatnet | I agree, it only took me insulting everyone for Tin to make the right point | 07:33 |
| yuriwho | this line was good: "achstually covid according to epidemplogists bla bla bla" | 07:34 |
| tinwhiskers | fierycatnet: so that would put the number of infected possibly up to 3.6 million | 07:34 |
| pwr22 | <tinwhiskers "fierycatnet: yes, maybe up to 10"> I think the UK is off by a 5:1 ratio myself | 07:34 |
| tinwhiskers | out of 329 million in the US | 07:34 |
| explore | so what's the syntax again? /ignore fieryfucktart@* or something like that? | 07:34 |
| explore | pls remind me | 07:34 |
| fierycatnet | thats the one | 07:34 |
| pwr22 | <tinwhiskers "fierycatnet: so that would put t"> So that's like 1%? | 07:34 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 07:35 |
| fierycatnet | these people... everything is a number eh | 07:35 |
| tinwhiskers | you said you were very happy with 10 times | 07:35 |
| yuriwho | what a dumbass | 07:35 |
| pwr22 | <fierycatnet "I agree, it only took me insulti"> tinwhiskers never disagreed that there's a degree of under reporting but that it's not 50% of the US population 🤦♂️ | 07:36 |
| ryouma | where are my fonts? | 07:37 |
| pwr22 | <yuriwho "what a dumbass"> Let's not be hypocritical about insults not being ok 🙂 | 07:37 |
| yuriwho | germany will have the whole country antibody tested shortly | 07:37 |
| tinwhiskers | wow | 07:37 |
| tinwhiskers | that's awesome | 07:37 |
| ryouma | not just sampled? | 07:38 |
| ryouma | why? | 07:38 |
| pwr22 | Yeah | 07:38 |
| yuriwho | they are the birthplace of the global Pharma industry | 07:38 |
| euod[m] | I thought the comments about countries allowing people with antibodies back to work to be sort of scary. | 07:38 |
| yuriwho | they are manufacturing the tests | 07:38 |
| ryouma | euod[m]: in a your papers please sense? | 07:39 |
| euod[m] | means there's an incentive to go have covid-19 infection parties so you can go back to work. | 07:39 |
| explore | also birth place of beautiful cameras, for which you can use to take beautiful photos of the post apocalypse | 07:39 |
| euod[m] | ryouma: yeah. scary from the incentive angle mostly. | 07:39 |
| euod[m] | ryouma: I'd be more worried if it was like, a tattoo you needed. | 07:39 |
| yuriwho | heh | 07:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:28 UTC: Australia coronavirus live news: Scott Morrison gives update on Covid-19 response – latest updates: Government to release modelling of coronavirus cases as fatalities reach 45. Meanwhile, legal action challenges order for all cruise ships to leave Australian waters. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/3Jsr6o | 07:42 |
| yuriwho | interesting tidbit, the Pharma interest started as the organic chemistry inductry focussed on making dtes for fabrics, so many of the first drugs were dyes and the patients would become the colour of the drug | 07:42 |
| yuriwho | s/interest/industry | 07:43 |
| yuriwho | my fat fingers | 07:43 |
| tinwhiskers | o.O | 07:43 |
| tinwhiskers | say aagin | 07:43 |
| yuriwho | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/03/20/chloroquine-past-and-present | 07:44 |
| yuriwho | %t | 07:44 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho: From blogs.sciencemag.org: Chloroquine, Past and Present | In the Pipeline | 07:44 |
| yuriwho | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/02/antibody-tests-for-the-coronavirus | 07:44 |
| yuriwho | %t | 07:44 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho: From blogs.sciencemag.org: Antibody Tests for the Coronavirus | In the Pipeline | 07:44 |
| tinwhiskers | heh. I see. | 07:45 |
| yuriwho | and todays update on Chloroquine: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/06/hydroxychloroquine-update-for-april-6 | 07:45 |
| yuriwho | %t | 07:45 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho: From blogs.sciencemag.org: Hydroxychloroquine Update For April 6 | In the Pipeline | 07:45 |
| tinwhiskers | yuriwho: I see there's quite a bit of progress in getting convalescent plasma treatment going (some already underway). | 07:46 |
| tinwhiskers | donation centers gearing up, FDA approval, first patients in the US treated, etc. | 07:46 |
| yuriwho | yes, that will increase greatly and have a big impact | 07:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 05:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/pxH3mR | 07:47 |
| yuriwho | the science and the clinical trials are moving at Manhattan project speed | 07:47 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Italy is preparing countrywide "immunity testing" so that people with antibodies can go back to work (10053 votes) | https://redd.it/fw9zpe | 07:48 |
| tinwhiskers | R'oh roh "So while this is a small study and not a perfect match, it provides no evidence to show that the HCQ/AZ combination had any benefit at all". | 07:48 |
| tinwhiskers | wow, Italy preparing antibody tests too. Someone is producing like mad | 07:49 |
| tinwhiskers | all-in-all there's been some positive news in the last few days hinting at sufficient treatment and testing options that economies may get a bit of life back. | 07:52 |
| euod[m] | really? | 07:52 |
| tinwhiskers | a *bit* | 07:52 |
| euod[m] | it seems like they're recovering enough for the stay in place to be a steady state. | 07:52 |
| yuriwho | "It may seem like the Covid-19 epidemic is more like the parachute situation, but consider that many people get infected with the virus without ever really knowing that they’re sick – which is not the case with being heaved out of an airplane, for the most part. Most of the people who get the coronavirus survive – the fatality rate is of course being argued about, but is probably in the 1% range, give or take. | 07:53 |
| yuriwho | Now, from a public health standpoint, that’s an awful figure, ten times as bad as the seasonal flu and with a more infectious virus as well. But for figuring out therapeutic options, it’s tricky: if most everyone will eventually recover with the current standard of care, how do you test your new idea?" | 07:53 |
| yuriwho | ^ from Derek Lowe | 07:53 |
| tinwhiskers | well, we know of 20K recovered patients in the US. It may be 10 times that in reality. Getting 200K people back to useful work will help support combating the virus and help the economy a bit | 07:54 |
| tinwhiskers | we need an antibody test to do that and it looks like great strides are being made on that front | 07:54 |
| yuriwho | yes, and all of them could potentially be frontline workers | 07:54 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 07:54 |
| tinwhiskers | add to that the positive progress toward convalescent plasma treatment and we can save quite a few lives as well. With an army of thousands of recovered patients it's possible that therapy could scale enough to make dent | 07:56 |
| yuriwho | the tide will start turning soo | 07:57 |
| yuriwho | soon | 07:57 |
| tinwhiskers | I feel more optimistic about us one year from now anyway | 07:57 |
| yuriwho | lets see if our guest can be civil now | 08:00 |
| fierycatnet | yuri yuri... | 08:00 |
| yuriwho | I'm listening | 08:01 |
| fierycatnet | nothing, you guys questioned me on something that I've observed irl | 08:01 |
| yuriwho | I actually missed the start of that convo but it had gotten to the point of being detrimental | 08:02 |
| fierycatnet | oh yeah, i was being a dick after I got pissed off | 08:02 |
| yuriwho | welcome back ;-) | 08:02 |
| fierycatnet | im more surprised that freenode is still up and running | 08:03 |
| yuriwho | lol | 08:03 |
| fierycatnet | i dont think i've used irc in 10 years | 08:03 |
| yuriwho | I began here in 2000 or so | 08:04 |
| fierycatnet | thats a long time | 08:04 |
| yuriwho | I'm old | 08:04 |
| fierycatnet | seems like most people idle on most channels anyway | 08:04 |
| yuriwho | as always | 08:05 |
| fierycatnet | where's the fun at these days? slack? discord? | 08:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +281 cases (now 1348596), +1571 recoveries (now 286453) since an hour ago — Australia: +1352 recoveries (now 2432) since an hour ago — Pakistan: +170 recoveries (now 429) since an hour ago | 08:05 |
| yuriwho | matrix apparrently | 08:05 |
| yuriwho | I'm on discord too | 08:06 |
| yuriwho | slack is pretty cool | 08:06 |
| yuriwho | bbl | 08:07 |
| fierycatnet | well gents, as always, nothing personal, cheers | 08:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:05 UTC: Australia coronavirus live news: Scott Morrison gives update on Covid-19 response – latest updates: Government to release modelling of coronavirus cases as fatalities reach 45. Meanwhile, legal action challenges order for all cruise ships to leave Australian waters. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/3Jsr6o | 08:08 |
| tinwhiskers | well you can bet he was convinced by the obvious logic and will never repeat the 90% of the USA may be infected story again. | 08:08 |
| muhammadzaxo | hello | 08:11 |
| ecrockz | hi | 08:13 |
| jacklsw | hello | 08:24 |
| fierycatnet | sup | 08:25 |
| yuriwho | https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/06/gilead-remdesivir-data-coming-soon/ | 08:27 |
| yuriwho | %t | 08:27 |
| Brainstorm | yuriwho: From www.statnews.com: A cheat sheet for the imminent data on Gilead's potential coronavirus drug | 08:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:20 UTC: Australia coronavirus live news: Border Force insists cruise ships must leave despite court action – latest updates: Government to release modelling of coronavirus cases as fatalities reach 45. Meanwhile, legal action challenges order for all cruise ships to leave Australian waters. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/3Jsr6o | 08:28 |
| tinwhiskers | "The severe Covid-19 trial enrolled 453 patients, and is expected to read out results first, perhaps as early as this week." - sweet | 08:29 |
| tinwhiskers | "there is a second study of remdesivir underway in China that enrolled just over 300 patients with mild or moderate Covid-19" ... "At least four additional clinical trials of remdesivir are underway, including two sponsored by Gilead, both of which are expected to read out in May". | 08:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Thanks yuriwho | 08:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports no deaths for the first time, Boris Johnson in intensive care → https://is.gd/t4Mpvj | 08:44 |
| rajrajraj | it seems new cases all over the world are now coming down | 08:45 |
| l0ndoner | lift the restrictions lets get on with life then | 08:46 |
| tinwhiskers | sorry l0ndoner, the UK is not one of the ones that is seeing declining numbers :-( | 08:47 |
| fierycatnet | its far from over, hopefully we're past the peak | 08:48 |
| l0ndoner | deaths and reported cases are down 3 days in a row... But scientist now saying reported numbers are fake news | 08:48 |
| l0ndoner | which I kind of knew any how | 08:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in intensive care as global deaths approach 75,000 → https://is.gd/r4k1w4 | 09:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports no deaths for the first time, Boris Johnson in intensive care → https://is.gd/t4Mpvj | 09:05 |
| kreyren | PSA: Do not drink aquarium cleaner https://youtu.be/ILowf7Tw7QY | 09:10 |
| kreyren | %title | 09:11 |
| Brainstorm | kreyren: From youtu.be: A Man Drank Aquarium Cleaner For COVID19. This Is What Happened To His Heart. - YouTube | 09:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:11 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Lombardia → https://is.gd/SbmmDU | 09:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:14 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Boris Johnson → https://is.gd/5EyvCd | 09:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports no deaths for the first time, Boris Johnson in intensive care → https://is.gd/t4Mpvj | 09:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:38 UTC: (news): European markets climb on tentative hopes the coronavirus may have peaked; Stoxx 600 up 2.5% → https://is.gd/z4M3au | 09:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports no deaths for the first time; world leaders send best wishes to Boris Johnson → https://is.gd/t4Mpvj | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1981 cases (now 1350577), +209 recoveries (now 286662) since an hour ago — Russia: +1154 cases (now 7497), +88 recoveries (now 494) since an hour ago — Saudi Arabia: +147 cases (now 2752) since an hour ago | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:56 UTC: (news): UK's Boris Johnson remains in intensive care with coronavirus as world leaders send messages of support → https://is.gd/jAzG93 | 09:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:00 UTC: Japan's economy has been dealt the 'final blow' by the coronavirus pandemic, says analyst: Japan's economy has been dealt a "final blow" as the country deals with the fallout from the global coronavirus pandemic, leaving it on a path toward a "steep recession," says Jun Saito of the Japan Center for Economic Research. → https://is.gd/C0obWe | 10:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:25 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: China reports no deaths for the first time; world leaders send best wishes to Boris Johnson → https://is.gd/t4Mpvj | 10:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:31 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Idrossiclorochina → https://is.gd/xmJdni | 10:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:38 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia sees sharp rise in cases; Whatsapp limits forwarding to curb misinformation: The number of coronavirus cases in Russia rose by more than 1,000 for the first time to reach 7,497 in the past 24 hours, the Kremlin's crisis response center said on Tuesday. → https://is.gd/t4Mpvj | 10:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:39 UTC: Australia coronavirus live news: Western Australia records two new deaths – latest updates: Government to release modelling of coronavirus cases as fatalities reach 47. Meanwhile, legal action challenges order for all cruise ships to leave Australian waters. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/3Jsr6o | 10:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:52 UTC: (news): European markets climb on tentative hopes the coronavirus may have peaked; Stoxx 600 up 2.5% → https://is.gd/z4M3au | 11:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:02 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Japan declares state of emergency, prepares near $1 trillion stimulus → https://is.gd/t4Mpvj | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:17 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Scienza → https://is.gd/mwkgM2 | 11:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2374 cases (now 1353130), +474 deaths (now 75323), +1015 recoveries (now 287679) since an hour ago — Belgium: +1380 cases (now 22194), +403 deaths (now 2035), +171 recoveries (now 4157) since an hour ago — Austria: +583 recoveries (now 4046) since an hour ago | 11:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:25 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Scienza - US → https://is.gd/qiVrft | 11:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:33 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna → https://is.gd/w9xvhS | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:43 UTC: UK coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson 'not on a ventilator' says Michael Gove: Follow the latest developments as we wait for updates on the condition of the prime minister after his coronavirus symptoms worsened → https://is.gd/wKfPP4 | 11:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4211 cases (now 1357341), +468 deaths (now 75791), +2875 recoveries (now 290554) since 36 minutes ago — Spain: +3835 cases (now 140510), +457 deaths (now 13798), +2771 recoveries (now 43208) since 36 minutes ago — Austria: +583 recoveries (now 4046) since an hour ago | 11:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:52 UTC: (news): UK's Boris Johnson remains in intensive care with coronavirus as world leaders send messages of support → https://is.gd/jAzG93 | 11:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:59 UTC: UK coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson 'not on a ventilator' says Michael Gove: Follow the latest developments as we wait for updates on the condition of the prime minister after his coronavirus symptoms worsened → https://is.gd/wKfPP4 | 12:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2128 cases (now 1359469), +133 deaths (now 75924) since 20 minutes ago — Iran: +2089 cases (now 62589), +133 deaths (now 3872) since 51 minutes ago — Austria: +583 recoveries (now 4046) since 2 hours ago | 12:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Medicina → https://is.gd/87eB98 | 12:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Japan declares state of emergency, prepares near $1 trillion stimulus → https://is.gd/t4Mpvj | 12:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +446 cases (now 1359915), +2857 recoveries (now 293446) since 21 minutes ago — Iran: +2803 recoveries (now 27039) since 21 minutes ago — Austria: +583 recoveries (now 4046) since 2 hours ago | 12:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's daily death rate rises again; Japan declares state of emergency → https://is.gd/t4Mpvj | 12:29 |
| mefistofeles | is the Matrix bridge working? This channel seems surprisingly quiet | 12:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:29 UTC: Business: Stock markets gain on signs of slowing coronavirus spread – business live → https://is.gd/fHKkcm | 12:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:37 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Giappone → https://is.gd/6NJ5Qa | 12:44 |
| CatButtes[m] | mefistofeles: Yup, just quite... | 12:47 |
| CatButtes[m] | * mefistofeles: Yup, just quiet... | 12:47 |
| mefistofeles | CatButtes[m]: ok, thanks | 12:48 |
| mefistofeles | so Austria now trying to go back to normal, apparently... my bet was for Germany first :P but close enough | 12:48 |
| mefistofeles | Denmark as well, btw | 12:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:45 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Spain's daily death rate rises again; Japan declares state of emergency → https://is.gd/t4Mpvj | 12:49 |
| mefistofeles | oh thanks Brainstorm , I missed the last 20 times you repeated that Spain's news | 12:50 |
| mefistofeles | xD | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 10:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: China reports no Covid-19 deaths for first time → https://is.gd/tqK1vl | 12:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:07 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Tuesday: After closing over 1,600 points higher, the Dow is set to surge at Tuesday's open as President Trump expressed hope about coronavirus treatments. → https://is.gd/VdzCAb | 13:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:14 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Oggi è 'world health day' → https://is.gd/XfXs0A | 13:18 |
| mefistofeles | 06:04:19 < Kalov> consultare con el profesor | 13:22 |
| mefistofeles | oops, sorry | 13:22 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vLPefHYWpY | 13:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:22 UTC: /u/The_Fadge: Regno Unito → https://is.gd/4nt0R0 | 13:26 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1289 cases (now 1361204), +65 deaths (now 75990), +169 recoveries (now 293615) since an hour ago — Portugal: +712 cases (now 12442) since an hour ago — Austria: +71 cases (now 12461), +583 recoveries (now 4046) since 3 hours ago | 13:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:34 UTC: (news): UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson remains in intensive care with coronavirus → https://is.gd/jAzG93 | 13:42 |
| adventurer | hope he will be ok | 13:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:48 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Tuesday: After closing over 1,600 points higher, the Dow is set to surge at Tuesday's open as President Trump expressed hope about coronavirus treatments. → https://is.gd/VdzCAb | 13:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: USNS Comfort crewmember tests positive, Spain sees an uptick in deaths → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 13:59 |
| kreyren | Is there a SARS-CoV-2 concern in buying food like vegetables that are not cooked? | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:03 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Tuesday: After closing over 1,600 points higher, the Dow is set to surge at Tuesday's open as President Trump expressed hope about coronavirus treatments. → https://is.gd/VdzCAb | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1306 cases (now 1362510), +354 deaths (now 76344) since 40 minutes ago — Netherlands: +777 cases (now 19580), +234 deaths (now 2101) since an hour ago — Portugal: +712 cases (now 12442) since an hour ago | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: USNS Comfort crewmember tests positive, Spain sees an uptick in deaths → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 14:15 |
| elizabethblog[m] | Trump Repeatedly Attacks Reporters In Coronavirus Briefing | 14:23 |
| elizabethblog[m] | https://www.elizabethblog.com.ng/2020/04/trump-repeatedly-attacks-reporters-in.html | 14:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: USNS Comfort crewmember tests positive, Spain sees an uptick in deaths → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 14:24 |
| Jo-Anna | kreyren: a bigger concern is when there is no food to buy | 14:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:22 UTC: (news): UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson 'stable' but remains in intensive care with coronavirus → https://is.gd/jAzG93 | 14:36 |
| elizabethblog[m] | Coronavirus in 52 African countries, 10,000+ cases, 487 deaths, 993 recoveries | 14:43 |
| elizabethblog[m] | https://www.elizabethblog.com.ng/2020/04/coronavirus-in-52-african-countries.html | 14:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: USNS Comfort crewmember tests positive, Spain sees an uptick in deaths → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 14:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:52 UTC: (news): UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson is 'stable' and in 'good spirits' in intensive care for coronavirus → https://is.gd/jAzG93 | 14:58 |
| kreyren | Jo-Anna, No food is not a concern anymore in czechia | 15:00 |
| kreyren | well never was a concern | 15:01 |
| Hullo1 | Hello | 15:01 |
| Jo-Anna | No food will soon be a concern for everyone who can’t buy it thanks to being put out of work | 15:02 |
| weyland|yutani | depends from where you are Jo-Anna | 15:03 |
| Jo-Anna | True | 15:04 |
| kreyren | Jo-Anna, The covid-19 situation is under control in Czechia and we will soon be revoking the state-wide quarantine.. | 15:04 |
| kreyren | we will stay in quarantine from the world though | 15:04 |
| Hullo1 | Czechia as in Czechoslovakia, right? | 15:04 |
| kreyren | No | 15:04 |
| kreyren | Czechia == Czech republic | 15:04 |
| kreyren | Aldo slovakia plans to do the same | 15:04 |
| Jo-Anna | Some places have better systems than others | 15:04 |
| weyland|yutani | slovakia absconded many years ago | 15:05 |
| kreyren | Jo-Anna, yep :p fix your government :p | 15:05 |
| Jo-Anna | kreyren: more likely to be able to spin straw into gold ! | 15:05 |
| kreyren | Jo-Anna, worked for me (tm) | 15:05 |
| Hullo1 | weyland|yutani, Ah yes | 15:06 |
| Jo-Anna | This whole thing seems too well orchestrated to have happened by chance | 15:06 |
| kreyren | plot-twist: Czechia caused the covid-19 outbreak that's why are they doing so well now | 15:07 |
| elizabethblog[m] | US coronavirus death surpasses 10,000 | 15:07 |
| elizabethblog[m] | https://www.elizabethblog.com.ng/2020/04/us-coronavirus-price-surpasses-10000.html | 15:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1149 cases (now 1363659), +52 deaths (now 76396), +123 recoveries (now 293740) since an hour ago — US: +515 cases (now 368174) since an hour ago — Virginia, US: +455 cases (now 3333) since an hour ago | 15:08 |
| Jo-Anna | kreyren: so you are living as normal now ? | 15:08 |
| kreyren | Is US worse then Italy by four times then? Assuming the mortality over the time | 15:08 |
| kreyren | Jo-Anna, pretty much | 15:09 |
| kreyren | i ain't risking going to the gym yet though | 15:09 |
| kreyren | and SARS-CoV-2 transfer from a food is still concerning to me | 15:09 |
| Hullo1 | Italy has more per capita deaths, though? | 15:09 |
| Jo-Anna | I think the hysteria is far more dangerous than any virus | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: USNS Comfort crewmember tests positive, Spain sees an uptick in deaths → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 15:10 |
| Jo-Anna | Terminally ill People are dying and it’s reported as coronavirus | 15:10 |
| kreyren | Jo-Anna, not in CZ but we had a death on a person who was positive on covid-19 but died on hearth disease who is still counted in as covid-19 death | 15:12 |
| Jo-Anna | kreyren: what countries are normal besides yours and Belarus ? | 15:12 |
| kreyren | Jo-Anna, Czechia, Slovakia and Malasia as far as i was told, not sure about Belarus assuming that they didn't even commit to any quarantine and continued with crowd actions to spread the virus to populus as far as i was told | 15:13 |
| Jo-Anna | kreyren: reporting cause of death as coronavirus also nullifies life insurance policies | 15:13 |
| kreyren | Jo-Anna, meaning? | 15:14 |
| Jo-Anna | kreyren: according to rt.com the leader of Belarus want to avoid hysteria | 15:14 |
| Hullo1 | kreyren, Doesn't CoVid accelerate those built in diseases that old people have thereby, contributing to their death | 15:14 |
| Jo-Anna | kreyren: apparently pandemics are not covered by insurance so beneficiaries get nothing | 15:15 |
| kreyren | Hullo1, yes, but from what i was told that man died without symptoms of covid-19 and based on some tests(?) he has low amount of virus particles in his body | 15:15 |
| kreyren | *had | 15:15 |
| Jo-Anna | The coronavirus test it is said is not very accurate | 15:17 |
| kreyren | Jo-Anna, czechia and slovakia has developed their own tests | 15:17 |
| Jo-Anna | The test is probably for making money and spreading hysteria | 15:17 |
| kreyren | CDC has three step process where czechia has one-step process which is more accurate based on available info | 15:18 |
| Jo-Anna | kreyren: are you part of the eu? | 15:18 |
| kreyren | Jo-Anna, Yes | 15:18 |
| kreyren | Literally in the middle of the EU | 15:18 |
| kreyren | xD | 15:18 |
| Jo-Anna | Never been to Europe | 15:18 |
| kreyren | Ye it sucks here due to germany being pleb all the time | 15:19 |
| Jo-Anna | How ? | 15:19 |
| kreyren | We keep hearing from angry Markel doing sh@# and then going even more angry back to her homeland :p | 15:19 |
| Hullo1 | Isn't Germany doing rather decent on the corona virus thing? | 15:20 |
| kreyren | Hullo1, no lol | 15:20 |
| kreyren | Last time i checked their minister of finances commited a suicide due to the covid-19 (based on available info) and their populus is full of Covid-19 cases overwhelming hospitals and death rate | 15:21 |
| Hullo1 | Huh, With Spain, Italy and UK mucking it up; I was under the impression that Germany had the situation under control. | 15:21 |
| kreyren | also they stole paid protection gear from Czechia | 15:21 |
| kreyren | because how much more pathetic can you be :)) | 15:21 |
| Hullo1 | Wow | 15:22 |
| Jo-Anna | There is the nocebo affect of people panicking over getting sick | 15:22 |
| kreyren | i would panic too | 15:22 |
| kreyren | that's why there was such an outrage in czechia to enforce drastic measures and update laws | 15:23 |
| Hullo1 | Is Czech Republic under complete lockdown? | 15:23 |
| kreyren | Hullo1, not complete some regions have their quarantine revoked already | 15:23 |
| kreyren | gov said that depending on the situation in wednesday they will revoke more regions and people are already biking etc.. | 15:24 |
| kreyren | but they have to wear masks if they go out | 15:24 |
| Hullo1 | Huh, the situation seems pretty optimistic there | 15:24 |
| chrish38 | %data uk | 15:26 |
| Brainstorm | chrish38: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 51608 cases, 5373 deaths (10.4% of cases), 135 recoveries as of 7 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 15:26 |
| kreyren | ye like the infection count already peaked and we implemented more measures so even if the situation gets much worse then we are prepared for it + we are currently preparing programs to help treat patients from other countries (currently accepted 6 french patients and more are expected to come depending on how we handle these 6) | 15:26 |
| iWant2MoveOut | would trying to move out be dangerous? | 15:29 |
| Hullo1 | %data india | 15:29 |
| Brainstorm | Hullo1: In all areas, India, there are 4911 cases, 137 deaths (2.8% of cases), 382 recoveries as of 10 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 15:29 |
| kreyren | iWant2MoveOut, depending on the situation yes it could be | 15:29 |
| iWant2MoveOut | What if I am trying to escape a bad situation at home? | 15:30 |
| iWant2MoveOut | Basically I live with someone that is very controlling and verbally abusive | 15:30 |
| kreyren | iWant2MoveOut, And which country do you live in | 15:31 |
| iWant2MoveOut | the US | 15:31 |
| kreyren | US is currently the worst country to handle this situation based on my understanding and provided info, if you have the right to be in that residence i would recommend contacting the authority referencing local law or reason with the other invidual | 15:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: MLB may play all games in Arizona to resume season, USNS Comfort crewmember tests positive → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 15:32 |
| iWant2MoveOut | The situation is not bad enough to warrent law enforcement | 15:33 |
| Raf[m] | what's so great about arizona that makes it immune to the coronavirus? | 15:33 |
| Raf[m] | dry air? | 15:33 |
| kreyren | Raf[m], i doubt that the environment makes it immune to covid-19 infection assuming that cold countries like greenland also have cases same as hot countries like africa and italy | 15:34 |
| Raf[m] | that's what I thought | 15:35 |
| kreyren | Generally from chemistry more heat -> More energy for the thing in question | 15:35 |
| kreyren | not sure how it translates to SARS-CoV-2, but it was reported that humid environment makes it to last longer in the wild | 15:35 |
| kreyren | aldo in theory if you live in a country where there is acid all around it may have a negative affect on the SARS-CoV-2 spread assuming it being acidic enough to kill it | 15:36 |
| kreyren | Raf[m], | 15:37 |
| kreyren | iWant2MoveOut, In czechia if the situation was this bad as it is now in US we would enforce state-wide quarantine, but in theory you can go out assuming that you don't touch anything and don't put your hands on your face and do not come in close contact (2m provided by CZ gov, but i would stay 10m) | 15:38 |
| kreyren | assuming that based on available info the virus spreads through eyes, mouth, nose, blood and through reproductive organs. | 15:38 |
| kreyren | iWant2MoveOut, i would still consider it being risky though | 15:39 |
| Jo-Anna | Locking everyone in their home is not a logical solution to a pandemic | 15:48 |
| blkshp | It's not a solution. | 15:48 |
| Hullo1 | It's not a solution; just a way to cope with the issue | 15:48 |
| blkshp | It's primarily to prevent health sytems failing. | 15:48 |
| Hullo1 | Flatten the curve, as they say | 15:49 |
| bin_bash | duh, you don't lock them in, you weld them in | 15:49 |
| bin_bash | that way they die and then you just clean up the corpses later | 15:49 |
| blkshp | bad bin_bash | 15:49 |
| blkshp | :D | 15:49 |
| bin_bash | :P | 15:50 |
| Jo-Anna | Sending everyone to prison without trial is a violation of human rights I don’t care what the pretext is. | 15:50 |
| bin_bash | how are you doing this [insert local tiem of day], blkshp? | 15:50 |
| blkshp | Jo-Anna: yawn | 15:50 |
| blkshp | bin_bash: i'm good ta, just come back from my prescribed wander! | 15:51 |
| Raf[m] | How is Russia doing? Isn't their strategy quarantine or prison? | 15:51 |
| bin_bash | nice i just got up myself :D | 15:51 |
| bin_bash | well about half an hour ago | 15:51 |
| blkshp | Ten to 3 here. | 15:51 |
| blkshp | Work is slow so i took an extra hour | 15:51 |
| Hullo1 | Raf[m], the situation's starting to ramp up in Russia. Moscow's inundated | 15:51 |
| bin_bash | nice | 15:52 |
| bin_bash | 0852 here | 15:52 |
| Jo-Anna | Quarantine sounds like something for livestock. What next? Culling of people suspected of having coronavirus? | 15:52 |
| bin_bash | only if theyre poor jacklsw | 15:53 |
| bin_bash | Jo-Anna** | 15:53 |
| jacklsw | lol i thought why am i being tagged | 15:53 |
| bin_bash | i fail-tabbed :D | 15:53 |
| bin_bash | i think that's the first time in years I accidentally highlighted someone who was inactive. Usually it's the last person who spoke, but I double-tabbed this time lolol | 15:54 |
| bin_bash | poor jacklsw is like "what did i even DO" | 15:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:52 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Svezia → https://is.gd/3X4OEi | 15:55 |
| jacklsw | lol i'm delighted to be summoned | 15:55 |
| bin_bash | :D | 15:55 |
| bin_bash | welcome to the convo then. I hope your day is going well. | 15:55 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Two days after Alton, IL mayor announces police will issue citations to those violating the state's stay-at-home order, mayor's wife is caught at party and cited for violating stay-at-home order. (10105 votes) | https://redd.it/fwcx75 | 15:56 |
| Hullo1 | bin_bash, don't like other shells apart from bash? :p | 15:56 |
| bin_bash | Hullo1: i have all the nicks | 15:56 |
| Hullo1 | bin_ksh | 15:56 |
| bin_bash | own it | 15:56 |
| Hullo1 | lol | 15:57 |
| bin_bash | but yeah im just lazy so i prefer bash | 15:57 |
| bin_bash | it just works™ | 15:57 |
| Hullo1 | It's the default now on most distroes | 15:58 |
| bin_bash | ya that or sh | 15:58 |
| Pug123456 | %data sweden | 16:02 |
| Brainstorm | Pug123456: In all areas, Sweden, there are 7693 cases, 591 deaths (7.7% of cases), 205 recoveries as of 14 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sweden for time series data. | 16:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:03 UTC: (news): European markets climb on tentative hopes the coronavirus may have peaked; Stoxx 600 up 2.8% → https://is.gd/z4M3au | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2024 cases (now 1365683), +82 deaths (now 76478), +103 recoveries (now 293843) since an hour ago — US: +1520 cases (now 369179), +68 deaths (now 11011) since 2 hours ago — Germany: +824 cases (now 104199) since 2 hours ago | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: MLB may play all games in Arizona to resume season, USNS Comfort crewmember tests positive → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 16:17 |
| LjL | Quarantine... for sheep? Historically quarantine has been chiefly for humans. Diseased animals are culled. | 16:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:24 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito → https://is.gd/1B5iMC | 16:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:48 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/ZwtvOk | 16:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:56 UTC: Watch live: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo holds a press conference on the coronavirus outbreak: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is holding his daily press conference on the COVID-19 outbreak, which has infected more than 131,800 people in the state as of Tuesday morning. → https://is.gd/VbNmwF | 17:02 |
| dunnp | %title https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/covid-pm | 17:06 |
| Brainstorm | dunnp: From projects.iq.harvard.edu: COVID-19 PM2.5 | 17:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1974 cases (now 1367657), +102 deaths (now 76580), +245 recoveries (now 294088) since an hour ago — US: +1218 cases (now 370397), +60 recoveries (now 19874) since an hour ago — Florida, US: +875 cases (now 14504) since 3 hours ago | 17:08 |
| dunnp | "We found that an increase of only 1 μg/m3 in PM2.5 is associated with a 15% increase in the COVID-19 death rate," | 17:08 |
| CatButtes[m] | ouch. That's a hell of a jump | 17:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:10 UTC: (news): European markets climb on tentative hopes the coronavirus may have peaked; Cineworld soars 50% → https://is.gd/z4M3au | 17:13 |
| Strantrickt[m] | %data Turkey | 17:17 |
| Brainstorm | Strantrickt[m]: In all areas, Turkey, there are 30217 cases, 649 deaths (2.1% of cases), 1326 recoveries as of 15 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Turkey for time series data. | 17:17 |
| tinwhiskers | dunnp: wow! That seems rather extreme. | 17:17 |
| tinwhiskers | So extreme something smells a bit fishy | 17:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +7920 cases (now 1375577), +765 deaths (now 77345), +231 recoveries (now 294319) since 21 minutes ago — US: +6920 cases (now 377317), +731 deaths (now 11773) since 21 minutes ago — New York, US: +6920 cases (now 138836), +731 deaths (now 5489) since 3 hours ago | 17:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: MLB may play all games in Arizona to resume season, USNS Comfort crewmember tests positive → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 17:25 |
| term99 | %data ohio | 17:40 |
| Brainstorm | term99: In Ohio, US, there are 4450 cases, 142 deaths (3.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 15 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 17:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:41 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The New York Times su Twitter: "Breaking News: New York State reported 731 more deaths, its largest one-day increase, after 2 days of flattening numbers. But hospitalizations are slowing. https://t.co/BCbQgkkJl7… https://t.co/qvqrun8MDU" → https://is.gd/7ILQQD | 17:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:45 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: La conferenza stampa della Protezione Civile inizierà alle 18 → https://is.gd/z97wqt | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1207 cases (now 1381116), +116 deaths (now 78255), +85 recoveries (now 294446) since 20 minutes ago — Germany: +927 cases (now 105519) since 20 minutes ago — Luxembourg: +127 cases (now 2970) since 20 minutes ago | 17:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:51 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: MLB may play all games in Arizona to resume season, USNS Comfort crewmember tests positive → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 17:55 |
| AimHere | https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-sacrificing-the-elderly-care-homes-asked-to-take-covid-19-patients-11969661?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter UK farming out covid-19 care - to nursing homes! | 17:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:56 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Discharged UK prisoners with Covid-19 symptoms given travel warrants → https://is.gd/y7yFnB | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:03 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Aggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 7 Aprile → https://is.gd/gHZ2ru | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +253 cases (now 1381369), +87 deaths (now 78342), +1366 recoveries (now 295812) since 19 minutes ago — US: +106 cases (now 377605), +1345 recoveries (now 21222) since 35 minutes ago — Germany: +927 cases (now 105519) since 35 minutes ago | 18:08 |
| l0ndoner | UK reporting figures are inaccurate | 18:09 |
| AimHere | In what way? | 18:10 |
| AimHere | Just the usual undertesting inaccuracy? | 18:11 |
| l0ndoner | well desparancies from hospitals reporting I think | 18:11 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW1VLvs89Lc will be live in less than an hour | 18:12 |
| tinwhiskers | %title | 18:12 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: From www.youtube.com: Berkeley Conversations -COVID-19 - YouTube | 18:12 |
| tinwhiskers | l0ndoner: my take on it is that the media reported some trend that the real data didn't support, not that the real data was necessarily bad. | 18:13 |
| tinwhiskers | The news of declining cases that was reported did not show in the data | 18:14 |
| l0ndoner | reason why I raise this... over last three days the trajectuary was declining day by day | 18:15 |
| tinwhiskers | No, it wasn't | 18:15 |
| l0ndoner | reported cases | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:13 UTC: (news): NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio says the number of coronavirus patients needing ventilators has 'improved,' buying the city precious time → https://is.gd/nYM9IV | 18:16 |
| Philippe[m] | Yes, and from what I understand, flattening the curve does not mean people stop dying. It just means that people are dying at whatever rate the curve started flattening. If that's 800 people a day, that's still 800 people a day; and it means the pandemic is . . . not increasing as fast? | 18:16 |
| AimHere | April 5th recorded cases was a peak of nearly 6k on Worldometers | 18:16 |
| tinwhiskers | l0ndoner: no, it wasn't | 18:17 |
| AimHere | Sunday/Monday figures tend to be a little iffy in Christendom. It looks like some reporters have the day off | 18:18 |
| tinwhiskers | %cases uk | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 55242 cases, 6159 deaths (11.1% of cases), 135 recoveries as of 17 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 18:18 |
| tinwhiskers | Check the time series data in the link above l0ndoner | 18:18 |
| aradesh | evening all | 18:19 |
| l0ndoner | thanks tinwhiskers | 18:19 |
| danielp3344 | %cases Maryland | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | danielp3344: In Maryland, US, there are 4371 cases, 103 deaths (2.4% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 16 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:19 |
| aradesh | %cases new york | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +6374 cases (now 1387743), +724 deaths (now 79066), +1665 recoveries (now 297477) since 19 minutes ago — US: +3093 cases (now 380698), +118 deaths (now 11902), +87 recoveries (now 21309) since 19 minutes ago — Italy: +3039 cases (now 135586), +604 deaths (now 17127), +1555 recoveries (now 24392) since 47 minutes ago | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | aradesh: In New York, US, there are 138836 cases, 5489 deaths (4.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 16 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:20 |
| l0ndoner | when the UK reaches a platue the deaths will still be significant. Seen as we nearly follow Italy | 18:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:17 UTC: (news): New York coronavirus deaths jumped by 731 Monday, the biggest daily increase, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/1i7lfu | 18:21 |
| l0ndoner | bloody hell NY has it bad wow | 18:22 |
| AimHere | Yesterday they were cheering at the daily figures dipping. Today they're worried about it rising | 18:22 |
| AimHere | Maybe they should take a 3-day rolling average so they don't get these Monday/Tuesday freakouts | 18:22 |
| AimHere | l0ndoner, what happens is that there seems to be a bit of a dip in death/case reporting on Sundays because folks are off work. On Monday the figures play catchup. That's part of what you're looking at | 18:23 |
| AimHere | I mean NY does have it bad, but the daily figures are subject to fluctuations | 18:23 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah | 18:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:22 UTC: /u/slakmehl: BBC News (World) su Twitter: "New York Governor Andrew Cuomo says 731 people died from coronavirus complications on Monday, the largest single-day rise https://t.co/cxTh89Fv4x… https://t.co/tqtRl8QaXb" → https://is.gd/xjJJUT | 18:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:26 UTC: (news): New York coronavirus deaths jumped by 731 Monday, the biggest daily increase, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/1i7lfu | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:32 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York deaths jump, USNS Comfort crewmember tests positive → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 18:37 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 18:38 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 135586 cases, 17127 deaths (12.6% of cases), 24392 recoveries as of 5 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 18:38 |
| LjL | i kind of want to remove the death % | 18:38 |
| LjL | at least it looks like we're really tapering off now | 18:39 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: I could include population in the data, now that I have it, if you'd prefer to do a per capita death rate? | 18:41 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, ubLIX gave me a population list too, but honestly, if i haven't integrated it until now, erm, like... yeah, if you include it in your CSV i predict my laziness will be overridden by the simplicity of adding it | 18:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:38 UTC: Walgreens to open 15 drive-thru testing sites for the coronavirus across 7 states: The pharmacy chain says the new sites will use Abbott Laboratories' rapid testing technology and will be open to members of the public who are showing symptoms of COVID-19. → https://is.gd/BDs6FU | 18:42 |
| tinwhiskers | The thing I dunt like about per capita death rate is that the figure itself really carries no intuitive meaning and is only useful for comparing to other places | 18:42 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, what does 12.6% say intuitively? except "yiiiiiiiiiikes" | 18:43 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh | 18:43 |
| tinwhiskers | If I get bored I'll add it in :-) | 18:43 |
| LjL | many of these things are mostly useful for comparisons with other places. your site is a more apt venue for that since you can just overlay graphs on top of each other, but those of us who obsess with these data probably have the numbers from other countries in mind anyway ;P | 18:44 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, there's another couple of things that "feel" like they are relevant, but i haven't really thought of how to use them in a meaningful way: average/median age, and population density | 18:44 |
| tinwhiskers | Mmmm | 18:45 |
| LjL | it probably makes more sense to find a correlation between them and total cases or total deaths or something else, than to print them in a bot, though | 18:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York deaths jump, USNS Comfort crewmember tests positive → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 18:47 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMjPs66cTs this pisses me off a bit, guy with lots of money just wasting resources because he doesn't really know how these things work xD | 18:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:50 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Rail journeys at 5% of normal levels as UK stays home | Business | The Guardian → https://is.gd/5ju2M3 | 18:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4059 cases (now 1391802), +111 deaths (now 79177), +362 recoveries (now 297839) since 34 minutes ago — Turkey: +3892 cases (now 34109), +76 deaths (now 725), +256 recoveries (now 1582) since 34 minutes ago — Arizona, US: +119 cases (now 2575) since an hour ago | 18:53 |
| lf94 | holy shit lol, we're going to break 2 million in 1/10th the time we broke 1 million | 18:55 |
| mefistofeles | lf94: it's called exponential xD | 18:57 |
| mefistofeles | and that's the reason why | 18:57 |
| lf94 | yeah yeah I know | 18:57 |
| lf94 | neat to see it in front of your eyes | 18:57 |
| mefistofeles | haha ok | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY deaths jump, Senate aims for Thursday vote on small business aid → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 18:58 |
| l0ndoner | <--- watching Berkeley :0 | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:54 UTC: Nursing: Hong Kong-born nurse dies of coronavirus after 44 years with NHS → https://is.gd/yVB62G | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:05 UTC: House Democrats urge Boeing to take federal aid as plants shut down over coronavirus pandemic: Several U.S. House Democrats representing Washington state urged Boeing to accept government aid as the manufacturer shuts down plants because of coronavirus. → https://is.gd/XlrZDu | 19:08 |
| mefistofeles | l0ndoner: same here | 19:08 |
| mefistofeles | have not said anything new tbh | 19:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3846 cases (now 1395648), +234 deaths (now 79411), +650 recoveries (now 298489) since 19 minutes ago — US: +3500 cases (now 384244), +232 deaths (now 12139) since 19 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +3326 cases (now 44416), +229 deaths (now 1232) since 49 minutes ago | 19:08 |
| mefistofeles | this is so scripted, you can tell | 19:12 |
| mefistofeles | xD | 19:12 |
| mefistofeles | I mean, not bad, but meh | 19:12 |
| mefistofeles | or, don't know if they actually recorded this before hand and it's edited... that can be it | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:06 UTC: (news): New York coronavirus deaths jumped by 731 Monday, the biggest daily increase, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/1i7lfu | 19:13 |
| dividediff[m] | Canadian? Let the Government know how COVID is impacting your life. This will help them figure out where to focus their efforts and allocate resources. | 19:14 |
| dividediff[m] | https://www.statcan.gc.ca/eng/survey/household/5311-COVID-19 | 19:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY deaths jump, Senate aims for Thursday vote on small business aid → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 19:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1999 cases (now 1397647), +131 deaths (now 79542) since 20 minutes ago — US: +1594 cases (now 385838), +88 deaths (now 12227) since 20 minutes ago — Louisiana, US: +1417 cases (now 16284), +70 deaths (now 582) since an hour ago | 19:23 |
| lf94 | dividediff[m]: Is that new? | 19:26 |
| lf94 | > April 3 | 19:27 |
| lf94 | I guess not | 19:27 |
| tinwhiskers | mefistofeles: yeah, I gave up. This is just fluff | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 17:30 UTC: /u/slakmehl: As with New York, the New Jersey totals represent new daily highs, and a partial reversal of the flattening observed in recent days. → https://is.gd/wiWG65 | 19:34 |
| lf94 | dividediff[m]: thanks for sharing, I shared it with all my friends | 19:34 |
| lf94 | dividediff[m]: I like how they ask for email or phone for follow up | 19:34 |
| lf94 | It's important we continue to gauge the country's status | 19:34 |
| Blankspace | \(๑╹◡╹๑)ﾉ♬ | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +756 cases (now 1398403), +1432 deaths (now 80974) since 19 minutes ago — France: +1417 deaths (now 10328) since 2 hours ago — Canada: +507 cases (now 17553) since 2 hours ago | 19:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY deaths jump, Senate aims for Thursday vote on small business aid → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 19:39 |
| Arsanerit | What does "jump" mean in this context? | 19:40 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, spike up, i think | 19:40 |
| LjL | %cases ny | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In New York, US, there are 138836 cases, 5489 deaths (4.0% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 17 hours ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 19:40 |
| LjL | well that's roughly as many cases as italy | 19:41 |
| LjL | well, deaths are going up, but cases seem to be going down | 19:41 |
| LjL | that's a good thing if it continues, deaths should follow... after a while | 19:42 |
| lf94 | yeah | 19:42 |
| lf94 | cases will slow too because the people immediately afraid came out | 19:43 |
| lf94 | unreporting, etc | 19:43 |
| dividediff[m] | lf94: np, hopefully it helps us! | 19:52 |
| ecrockz | anyone using freeznc? | 19:52 |
| dividediff[m] | lf94: #canada:matrix.org might interest you | 19:53 |
| l0ndoner | %data Taiwan | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | l0ndoner: In all areas, Taiwan, there are 376 cases, 5 deaths (1.3% of cases), 61 recoveries as of 6 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Taiwan for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ of cases undetected), and less than 7.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 19:54 |
| l0ndoner | Man Taiwan has it nailes | 19:54 |
| lf94 | dividediff[m]: is there a bridge? | 19:55 |
| l0ndoner | how they deal with it is in stark contrast | 19:55 |
| l0ndoner | to rest of world and nothing is closed down | 19:55 |
| l0ndoner | someone explain that to me | 19:55 |
| LjL | not in stark contrast with Korea, where also most things aren't closed down | 19:56 |
| LjL | i know this better about Korea than Taiwan, but my guess would be aggressive testing and contact tracing, and wearing masks | 19:56 |
| LjL | and also they might have shared their findings with the WHO if the WHO had invited them | 19:57 |
| l0ndoner | yea they have people checking tempretures before you go in buildings and sending you home to isolate | 19:57 |
| l0ndoner | stark contrast to mass lockdown | 19:58 |
| ecov | these trump briefings are so incredibly insane to watch | 19:59 |
| LjL | i think in most of the west, lockdowns are necessary, but we shouldn't discount the things they are doing there, either. lockdowns alone are showing they can bring things down to linearity, or even below, but, with difficulty | 19:59 |
| LjL | %title https://www.fliegerfaust.com/airline-news---2645648431.html | 20:00 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.fliegerfaust.com: United States and Canada Are About To Announce The Shutdown Of Their Airspace - FliegerFaust | 20:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:01 UTC: New Jersey closes most public parks, extends emergency order as deaths surge: New Jersey is extending its public health emergency and close all state and county parks as it records its highest single-day increase in COVID-19 deaths yet, Gov. Phil Murphy announced Tuesday. → https://is.gd/E6nuYg | 20:04 |
| dividediff[m] | China Hiding MASSIVE Death Toll from Coronavirus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFftsn6izic | 20:09 |
| dividediff[m] | lf94: i'm on matrix and a newb, so not sure :( | 20:10 |
| lf94 | No problem :) | 20:11 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: post plain text transcript of video, with appendix discussing validity of claims and sources used | 20:11 |
| bin_bash | lf94: yes there's a bridge. no it's not announced as it shoul be. | 20:11 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: youtube has a transcript function | 20:12 |
| ubLIX | it does? ok, copy its transcript to a paste bin please | 20:13 |
| ubLIX | because i can't be bothered vetting a video which chooses ginormous yellow and white writing for a thumbnail | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:12 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The Guardian su Twitter: "UK records highest daily death toll from coronavirus at 854 https://t.co/jiGF7lyszb" → https://is.gd/rwMnaF | 20:15 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: They list some sources in the vid, their parent company is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Tang_Dynasty_Television which doesn't have an obviously bad track record. AFAIK they're basically john oliver, however i don't know about john oliver's validity | 20:16 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: do i need an acct to paste to paste bin? | 20:16 |
| LjL | depends on the pastebin, generally not | 20:17 |
| LjL | dpaste and paste.ee are two that are free to use anonymously that i know of | 20:17 |
| lf94 | bin_bash: I'm not finding anything relevant to IRC → Matrix | 20:17 |
| lf94 | Only vice versa :/ | 20:17 |
| paula_thomas[m] | @dividediff you are making the claims it is therefore for you to substantiate them with a transcript and sources. | 20:18 |
| bin_bash | lf94: idk what you mean by that | 20:18 |
| dividediff[m] | LjL: ty | 20:18 |
| lf94 | Ok nevermind :) | 20:18 |
| bin_bash | lf94: this channel is bridged to matrix. not sure what you're trying to find | 20:19 |
| l0ndoner | bridged to matrix? | 20:19 |
| LjL | lf94, you can't join a Matrix room from IRC unless it's already bridge by someone. | 20:19 |
| LjL | bridged* | 20:19 |
| LjL | you need to log in from Matrix if you want to join it | 20:19 |
| lf94 | LjL: figured that, based on what Google is returning to me | 20:19 |
| dividediff[m] | paula_thomas: i pasted the vid url. Is it not showing up? | 20:20 |
| LjL | bin_bash, he's talking about #canada:matrix.org not this channel | 20:20 |
| l0ndoner | Man I've just realised how old IRC is :o | 20:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1037 cases (now 1412070) since 32 minutes ago — US: +467 cases (now 386571) since 32 minutes ago — Ohio, US: +332 cases (now 4782) since 32 minutes ago | 20:20 |
| dividediff[m] | Oh thats why #canada:matrix.org doesn't have enough ppl! | 20:21 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: https://paste.ee/p/QBL7S | 20:21 |
| dividediff[m] | If you find something wrong w the vid let me know ! | 20:21 |
| LjL | bin_bash, also is there something about bridging requiring to be announced that i am not aware of, since you said it's not announced as it "should" be, and apparently you were talking about here? | 20:21 |
| l0ndoner | are links allowed? | 20:21 |
| LjL | links? | 20:22 |
| bin_bash | LjL: i've already mentioned it to netops who have supposedly brought up to you that it should be in the topic, but alas it is not. | 20:22 |
| l0ndoner | yea urls | 20:22 |
| bin_bash | l0ndoner: yes of course you can post links as long as theyre relevant | 20:22 |
| LjL | bin_bash, 1) no, you brought up logging, which is a different thing, and if Matrix bridging counts as logging, the requirement is still about announcing LOGGING, not bridging. 2) there is no requirement for it to be in the TOPIC and most logged channels don't have it in their topic, but their ENTRYMSG. so please have a look at /cs info ##covid-19 and you will see its entrymsg. | 20:23 |
| l0ndoner | Giant pink moon probs not relevant | 20:23 |
| LjL | l0ndoner, i mean, no, random links unrelated to covid are generally not welcome, but i'll make an exception if your moon picture is gorgeous | 20:24 |
| bin_bash | LjL: I brought it up to a netoper who stated that he would ask you about putting it in the topic since bridging to an external source potentially creates a public log without users knowing. | 20:26 |
| bin_bash | but i dont know about that conversation, so i'm just telling you the one i had. | 20:26 |
| dividediff[m] | Isn't vox for the offtopic stuff? | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:24 UTC: House Democrats urge Boeing to take federal aid as plants shut down over coronavirus pandemic: Several U.S. House Democrats representing Washington state urged Boeing to accept government aid as the manufacturer shuts down plants because of coronavirus. → https://is.gd/XlrZDu | 20:27 |
| LjL | bin_bash, join #ubuntu for example, one of the biggest channels on freenode (at least last i checked, which was admittedly a while ago), and you will see that its topic makes NO mention of logging, despite it being most definitely logged at https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - but it's specified in its entrymsg, just like here. if you hadn't been annoyingly confrontational that time, i'd just have clarified that, but instead you seemed to be out on a crusade, so | 20:28 |
| LjL | i thought i'd just let you talk to freenode staff if you wanted to so badly. | 20:28 |
| bin_bash | i'm not on a crusade lol | 20:29 |
| lf94 | TIL entrymsg | 20:29 |
| lf94 | irc keeps on giving | 20:29 |
| l0ndoner | how old is irc and how come its still relevant | 20:30 |
| LjL | now *that* i consider offtopic, because we've already had too many IRC vs Matrix debates for my liking | 20:30 |
| LjL | it's old, and it's still relevant because it's still the best tool in some people's subjective judgment. others prefer matrix and that's fine too. live and let live, and let's try to keep this place usable by both, despite some annoying things in the bridging | 20:31 |
| l0ndoner | I'm cool just enjoying the chat | 20:31 |
| bin_bash | okay so put it in the entry notice if you want, idgaf. just put it somewhere. i dont think telling me to talk to staff worked out in your favor since they agreed it's a fine line | 20:31 |
| LjL | oh ffs | 20:32 |
| LjL | it *is* in the entrymsg | 20:32 |
| LjL | and you'd know that if you just typed /cs info ##covid-19 | 20:32 |
| LjL | like i just told you to try doing | 20:32 |
| bin_bash | hang on let me cycle then and see what it shows, because when i joined it didnt | 20:33 |
| bin_bash | ok good. it shows on entry. idk why you didnt just say that in the first place. "i put it in the entry notice and that should suffice" | 20:34 |
| xrogaan | so undercounting may simply due to people not going to hospitals because of no money/no healthcare, and then dying in their own home. | 20:34 |
| LjL | because i like to send people on a crusade if they act passive-aggressive about it | 20:34 |
| bin_bash | a crusade that only makes you look bad? | 20:35 |
| LjL | xrogaan, that's certainly possible. the UK apparently announced yesterday that they will start reporting deaths at home, implying they previously didn't... | 20:35 |
| bin_bash | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ok | 20:35 |
| Philippe[m] | /cs info ##covid-19 | 20:35 |
| LjL | bin_bash, or maybe it makes you look bad for nagging staff about the lack of an entrymsg that was actually there. but think what you like | 20:35 |
| Philippe[m] | Sorry, I didn't know what I was doing there. | 20:35 |
| LjL | Philippe[m], that won't work from Matrix. | 20:35 |
| xrogaan | "look, low numbers. We do a great job!" | 20:35 |
| zirpu | i wonder if the USA has the same at home counting problem. | 20:35 |
| Philippe[m] | LjL: Yes, I can see that! Oh, my newb problems. . . . | 20:36 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: i made it about 60% through that transcript before giving up; verdict: piffle | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:34 UTC: (news): NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio says the number of coronavirus patients needing ventilators has 'improved,' buying the city precious time → https://is.gd/nYM9IV | 20:38 |
| bin_bash | LjL: you do realize that only shows the very first time you join... right? | 20:38 |
| bin_bash | if you're always connected, you don't see it again | 20:38 |
| ubLIX | the idea of "Not even wrong" generalises just fine to journalism - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_even_wrong | 20:41 |
| l0ndoner | Since no planes and 90% reduction in cars for nearly 3 weeks my weather has improved and air quality | 20:46 |
| dividediff[m] | Let’s start calling the novel coronavirus the CCP virus: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/lets-start-calling-novel-coronavirus-ccp-virus | 20:48 |
| dividediff[m] | Is this petition only for americans? | 20:48 |
| AimHere | If it wasn't for the virus killing folks, Londoners would be healthier than ever. | 20:48 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: why so? Their links to the guardian at very least seem legit | 20:48 |
| LjL | bin_bash, yes, but that's not exactly my problem. here is some public logging that shows why from my point of view you've seemed to be on a crusade against Matrix and/or bridging thereof, with public logging mostly just being used as an excuse https://paste.ee/p/6CLeK | 20:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY deaths jump, Senate aims for Thursday vote on small business aid → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 20:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1226 cases (now 1413296), +52 deaths (now 81125), +100 recoveries (now 300859) since 32 minutes ago — Germany: +719 cases (now 107458) since 32 minutes ago — Israel: +242 cases (now 9248), +87 recoveries (now 770) since 32 minutes ago | 20:50 |
| ubLIX | "What (was) said was so confused that one could not tell whether it was nonsense or not." | 20:51 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: what links to the guardian? | 20:51 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: arrgh i could look up the guardian links if you want. Just wondering tho, do you not watch youtube? | 20:53 |
| ubLIX | i read about half of your transcript before abandoning it, thinking it mere opinion | 20:54 |
| ubLIX | didn't watch the video | 20:54 |
| ubLIX | for the record, i am not defending the CCP; if they are as nefarious as so many suppose, i want them exposed. but post something substantive, with verifiable sources, something well reasoned and well argued | 20:54 |
| tinwhiskers | I gave up on the transcript after the first few lines. It was obviously just an agenda-driven opinion piece | 20:55 |
| ubLIX | *mere confused opinion | 20:55 |
| dividediff[m] | Call for the resignation of Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, WHO Director General https://www.change.org/p/united-nations-call-for-the-resignation-of-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-who-director-general | 20:56 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: yea, they're falun gong related i believe. | 20:56 |
| tinwhiskers | everyone wants to lynch someone like it will somehow help. | 20:56 |
| tinwhiskers | China, the WHO, trump (ok the last one would help) | 20:57 |
| lf94 | China did mess up big time tho | 20:57 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: they displayed screenshots to various source, which couldn't be captured in the script. I've looked up some of them previous to check if they seemed legit. | 20:58 |
| tinwhiskers | Lots of people have messed up. whataboutism doesn't help. | 20:58 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: was the transcript a precise record of what was said? because it was barely english | 20:58 |
| ubLIX | never a good sign | 20:58 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: eli5 whataboutism | 20:59 |
| LjL | %wik whataboutism | 21:00 |
| tinwhiskers | Most countries squandered valuable time and then blame China for... squandering valuable time. | 21:00 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, from English Wikipedia: Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. It is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda. When criticisms [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism | 21:00 |
| ubLIX | what's at issue here (for me) is the question of when it's worthwhile to even look at a 'source'. i tried to give that video (well, transcript) a fair shake, as an exercise (in futility?) to calibrate my "judge the book by its cover skill". i was not disabused of my first impression | 21:01 |
| l0ndoner | anyone seen the WHO interview where the WHO representative can’t or won’t even say the word Taiwan. | 21:01 |
| tinwhiskers | l0ndoner: yes. do you think if they had spoken out against China they would have been allowed to maintain a presence in China? A presence in China was critical to maintain. | 21:02 |
| tinwhiskers | It's a delicate place to be and you have to cowtow to the chinese, like it or not if you want to stay there | 21:02 |
| LjL | and likely also if you don't | 21:02 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: fair pt. But after this is all over, i'm hoping for a few things like WHO resignation. After it's over rather than govs dealing with it right now. | 21:02 |
| tinwhiskers | Some tough calls were made and you can bet the officials who had to make them have a sour taste in their mouths. A lot of political shite going down. Can we tell people to use masks? no. We need those for health professionals., etc. | 21:04 |
| tinwhiskers | Can we tell the world we don't believe China's data? No. we need to stay here | 21:04 |
| tinwhiskers | What else were they going to do? It's easy to judge in hindsight and it should be investigated but lets not jump to conclusions and repeat this trial every day on iirc | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1803 cases (now 1415099), +121 deaths (now 81246), +307 recoveries (now 301166) since 16 minutes ago — US: +1749 cases (now 388336), +118 deaths (now 12393) since 16 minutes ago — Michigan, US: +1749 cases (now 18970), +118 deaths (now 845) since 16 minutes ago | 21:05 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: I skipped through it quickly again and they reference this guardian article: | 21:06 |
| dividediff[m] | "Coronavirus: Chinese hospitals not testing patients, say relatives " | 21:06 |
| dividediff[m] | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/21/coronavirus-chinese-hospitals-not-testing-patients-say-relatives | 21:06 |
| dividediff[m] | The guardian is trustworthy right? | 21:07 |
| l0ndoner | yea unlike the daily fail | 21:07 |
| dividediff[m] | l0ndoner: is the daily equivalent to, uhh fox? | 21:07 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i find it easy to jump to the conclusion that ejecting Taiwan from the UN was a hideous thing to do, and now we pay the consequences, as it never ends up feeling nice when you put yourself into a position where you can constantly be blackmailed if you dare treat a group of human beings forming a country as such | 21:08 |
| l0ndoner | daily mail | 21:08 |
| l0ndoner | yea worse than fox | 21:08 |
| l0ndoner | Woa the pink moon tonight is amazing | 21:08 |
| dividediff[m] | l0ndoner: impressive lol! | 21:08 |
| LjL | it's big and stuff here but it's not really pink | 21:08 |
| LjL | why's it supposed to be pink? | 21:09 |
| dividediff[m] | i've been wondering about the pink part all wk | 21:09 |
| l0ndoner | we have blue moon red moon pink moon | 21:09 |
| dividediff[m] | i have a headcanon theory of nobody has any idea about the pink part | 21:10 |
| dividediff[m] | if nobody** | 21:10 |
| l0ndoner | there is a reason but cant think off top my head | 21:10 |
| dividediff[m] | i thought red and pink are basically the same thing, but different time, maybe i'm just colorblind tho | 21:10 |
| LjL | here's something about a surge in deaths in NY suggesting more people are dying "because of" COVID-19, in some way, than official numbers suggest https://np.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fwl3pz/staggering_surge_of_nyers_dying_in_their_homes/ | 21:11 |
| bin_bash | what does the moon have to do with anything | 21:11 |
| LjL | not sure if a reliable source, but i have no difficulty believing it because it's what i assume happens | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:59 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in intensive care as confirmed cases in Africa pass 10,000 → https://is.gd/r4k1w4 | 21:11 |
| dividediff[m] | Nvr heard of gothamist either | 21:12 |
| dividediff[m] | bin_bash: well... it's nothing corona related at least ha | 21:12 |
| l0ndoner | pink moon is thanks to our cousins over the pond naming it after a flower or something | 21:12 |
| bin_bash | the moon is off-topic | 21:12 |
| LjL | i don't remember saying that short excursions from the channel's main topic are not okay. in fact, i think they are, most of the time. | 21:13 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: that Guardian article date January 21st described testing and underestimation in ways that have been repeated all over the world since. i'm not sure what this article adds to the case against the CCP | 21:13 |
| bin_bash | i didnt say it was a problem, i just said it's off-topic and seemingly random | 21:13 |
| LjL | i now declare today's big moon to be on-topic as it's something we can relax to if we are at least able to see it from our homes, and probably not even catch COVID from it | 21:13 |
| bin_bash | idk why you feel personally attacked by everything i say, but it's kind of weird | 21:13 |
| dividediff[m] | Hey guys chill | 21:14 |
| l0ndoner | bin_bash: you do seem a bit confrontational | 21:14 |
| bin_bash | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 21:14 |
| LjL | bin_bash, i have a problem with you not understanding that a statement like "what does the moon have to do with anything" is passive-aggressive even though there's nothing explicitly saying that it's "a problem" | 21:14 |
| bin_bash | it's passive-aggressive to ask what it's related to?? the fuck? | 21:15 |
| LjL | uhm, yes. | 21:15 |
| bin_bash | ive been following the entire time and there was a random "whoa the moon" so i was curious what it was related to | 21:15 |
| bin_bash | clearly it was not related to anything, so that's fine and i was jsut trying to clarify | 21:15 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: tldwatch; china uncensored cited that and a few other newspapers which suggests that there are more covid19 deaths in china than china has admitted. The vid mentioned ways in which a cover up could be done like not testing, reporting cause of death wrong etc | 21:15 |
| bin_bash | but maybe i'll just not talk since you seem to be personally attacked by anything i have to say. | 21:15 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: ok, but that article was dated January 21st | 21:16 |
| tinwhiskers | ubLIX: they started out by explaining why they were calling the virus the CCP virus. I didn't get much further. | 21:16 |
| ubLIX | *that Guardian article | 21:17 |
| tinwhiskers | oh | 21:17 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: afaik that doesn't affect it's accuracy of the guardian. As in sometime before jan 21, chyna seemed to have been not testing properly | 21:17 |
| LjL | why do you keep typing "Chyna" instead of China? | 21:18 |
| l0ndoner | kind of on topic anyone else running rosetta@Home on their computers? | 21:18 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: it affects its relevance to the question of CCP's proclivity for censorship; the Guardian article describes nothing that hasn't been repeated across the world since | 21:18 |
| tinwhiskers | Are you claiming poor testing was unique to china? | 21:18 |
| dividediff[m] | i think we agree that china didn't do very much to deal with corona in the beginning and then later stepped | 21:18 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: ie, it doesn't support the use that China Censored wished to make of it | 21:18 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: but lets drop this iteration of this subject; this exercise in futility has gone on long enough | 21:19 |
| tinwhiskers | in the very early days it appears that it may have been local authorities who delayed getting information to the central government in China. Whether this is true is really guesswork at this point. | 21:19 |
| dividediff[m] | LjL: i've heard they don't like criticism and it's a a feble attempt to not get in trouble depending on the huawei 5g deal. | 21:19 |
| LjL | err... okay, it's pretty feeble though indeed. you should try some of the tricks their use with homophones of chinese characters | 21:20 |
| tinwhiskers | China seems to have a tendency to shoot messengers so local authorities would prefer to keep quiet than rock the boat. | 21:20 |
| LjL | they are more elaborate, to get past wechat blocked phrases etc | 21:20 |
| jester | https://sterilize-x.com/articles/reduces-chances?l=en&c=cad&vndr=sterjul&cmpid=5e7cbf7d6afe5900014556f7&sub1={lpurl}&sub2=&sub3=&sub4=102488347667&sub5=429683731566&sub6=9725166887&sub7=c&sub8=none&sub9=d&sub10=www.youtube.com&ref_id=EAIaIQobChMI46607ILX6AIVBbV-Ch1hSgfuEAEYASAAEgKEkfD_BwE&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI46607ILX6AIVBbV-Ch1hSgfuEAEYASAAEgKEkfD_BwE | 21:20 |
| ubLIX | tinwhiskers: funnily enough, the CC article made that point | 21:21 |
| LjL | yikes | 21:21 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 21:21 |
| LjL | jester, that looks... incredibly dangerous? | 21:21 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: afaik the cover up made their testing a bit worse than most other countries | 21:21 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: THAT requires substantiation | 21:21 |
| tinwhiskers | agreed | 21:21 |
| ubLIX | which the Guardian article most certainly did not provide | 21:21 |
| tinwhiskers | the US has done an epic job of fucking up testing | 21:22 |
| dividediff[m] | LjL: til! | 21:22 |
| echobbyist_ | !china | 21:22 |
| tinwhiskers | however you may excuse the USA's miserable performance you could probably also apply to China? | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY deaths jump, Senate aims for Thursday vote on small business aid → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 21:23 |
| echobbyist_ | !covid | 21:23 |
| CoronaBot | Total cases: 1,414,710 (+68,706), deaths: 81,248 (+6,594), recovered: 301,304. Active cases: 1,032,158, 984,242 are in a mild condition, 47,916 are in a serious condition. Mortality: 5.74%, case fatality rate: 21.24%. Case rate: 73,135/24h, death rate: 5,227/24h. Last update: 8m ago. | 21:23 |
| echobbyist_ | !covid china | 21:23 |
| CoronaBot | China: Global rank: #6, cases: 81,740 (+32), fatalities: 3,331, active cases: 1,242, total recovered: 77,167, in a serious condition: 211. Mortality: 4.08%, case fatality rate: 4.14%, cases/1M: 57.0, deaths/1M: 2.0. Case rate: 32/24h, death rate: 0/24h. | 21:23 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: tinwhiskers Lots of countries had/have bad testing. However, not as many may have had local official covering it up. So they had bad testing and local cover up at least | 21:23 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, that seems likely | 21:23 |
| ubLIX | fair | 21:23 |
| LjL | many countries have changed the ways they report numbers several times, and sometimes it can be attributed to actual limitations, but if one is more malicious it's also easy to attribute some of them to, well, malice. i don't think that's exclusive to china | 21:24 |
| dividediff[m] | however yes, usa had bad testing and trump stuff | 21:24 |
| l0ndoner | Not being racist but afro Americans are substantially worse off statistically not sure why they are coming off worse than any other community | 21:24 |
| jester | ljl thats why you leave the room | 21:25 |
| tinwhiskers | I wonder if you can draw any comparisons between Trumps denials and China's denials? | 21:25 |
| LjL | jester, i think the site should make it WAY more clear that it's EXTREMELY important and why. i hope the manual does. | 21:25 |
| tinwhiskers | speaking of whataboutism :-/ | 21:25 |
| LjL | selling something like that without gigantic red warnings would be bad. | 21:25 |
| jester | https://sterilize-x.com/articles/reduces-chances?l=en&c=cad&vndr=sterjul&cmpid=5e7cbf7d6afe5900014556f7&sub1={lpurl}&sub2=&sub3=&sub4=102488347667&sub5=429683731566&sub6=9725166887&sub7=c&sub8=none&sub9=d&sub10=www.youtube.com&ref_id=EAIaIQobChMI46607ILX6AIVBbV-Ch1hSgfuEAEYASAAEgKEkfD_BwE&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI46607ILX6AIVBbV-Ch1hSgfuEAEYASAAEgKEkfD_BwE | 21:26 |
| LjL | also, it's kind of expensive for a lightbulb timer + a UVC lightbulb, me thinks | 21:26 |
| dividediff[m] | Have other usa officials tried to cover it up ignoring trump? | 21:26 |
| LjL | you realize you can cut off everything after ? from the URL and it'll work anyway | 21:26 |
| jester | 360° Sterilization Of An Entire Area In Just 30 min. | 21:28 |
| ubLIX | dividediff[m]: US authorities suppressed early testing so severely that private physicians started ignoring directives and carried on their own testing regimes, contrary to explicit orders | 21:28 |
| stinkpot | how did they suppress it? | 21:28 |
| ubLIX | by ordering physicians to not test | 21:28 |
| stinkpot | because of limited kits? | 21:29 |
| LjL | jester, that's not even true though, because it will only sterilize (or at least partly disinfect) what the light directly shines off. anything on the "other side" won't be sterilized | 21:29 |
| stinkpot | i mean what was their order and reasoning behind it | 21:29 |
| eaxomar | uBlix there are legitimate reasons not to test | 21:29 |
| tinwhiskers | I go so far as to guess that the US squandered just as much time and causing just as much harm to the american public as the chinese did. | 21:29 |
| dividediff[m] | ubLIX: are you sure they surpressed it? I thought it was that trump did trump and they didn't have capacity to test or something | 21:29 |
| LjL | also, bin_bash and euod[m] are welcome to explain the dangers of UVC while i have dinner, i'll be fine with that even with a bit of passive-aggressiveness in it, since it's actually a dangerous thing ;) | 21:29 |
| bin_bash | i don't care anymore | 21:29 |
| bin_bash | let people blind themselves | 21:29 |
| eaxomar | If you have a limited supply of testing kits, you have to limit testing to cases where the result will make a difference in treatment | 21:29 |
| blkshp | UVC isn't that what you make doors out of ;) | 21:30 |
| blkshp | PVC | 21:30 |
| blkshp | ;) | 21:30 |
| jester | two units | 21:30 |
| eaxomar | that is, severe case resulting in hospitalization. If the answer is just 'self quarantine', what's the point. | 21:30 |
| ubLIX | suppression seems like a valid choice of word for an order to not test | 21:30 |
| ubLIX | i'd better collect sources before someone asks | 21:31 |
| ubLIX | bbiab | 21:31 |
| stinkpot | suppression makes it sound like hiding something tho | 21:31 |
| bin_bash | daily psa that nobody itc should be using uvc | 21:31 |
| eaxomar | lol | 21:31 |
| bin_bash | follow it or dont, idgaf. | 21:31 |
| eaxomar | no sorry i thought the uvc thing was a funny idea | 21:31 |
| bin_bash | it's a terrible idea | 21:32 |
| eaxomar | yes | 21:32 |
| bin_bash | tbh if i was in charge of the cdc things would have gone a lot differently. but im not so it idnt. also im not really qualified to lead the cdc as i'm not a medical doctor, but somehow i managed to see the writing on the wall long before they did | 21:32 |
| pwr22 | lol | 21:32 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: trump's 'plan' will prob kill many more than have died in chna. i believe chna reported ~3300 deaths, but usa is expecting like ~100,000 ?. Unless usa starts wielding ppl in too or smthg | 21:32 |
| bin_bash | probably because i'm not saddled with the drama of political correctness | 21:32 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: heh. yeah | 21:33 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: you're tonga right? | 21:33 |
| tinwhiskers | yah | 21:33 |
| dividediff[m] | !covid tonga | 21:33 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[ERR] Country/state not found! | 21:33 |
| tinwhiskers | We don't have any testing capability | 21:33 |
| eaxomar | dividediff are you believing china's numbers now. | 21:34 |
| eaxomar | ? | 21:34 |
| dividediff[m] | When i look for corona and tonga i get those msgs frqeuently. | 21:34 |
| tinwhiskers | no cases here that we are aware of - ignorance is bliss | 21:34 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: any cases do you think in tonga? | 21:34 |
| dividediff[m] | eaxomar: no. But they prob didn't have 100,000 deaths. Too many to cover up i'd think | 21:35 |
| l0ndoner | I believe Afghanistan have similar figures to Taiwan whilst Somalia and South Sudan are better. What this tells us all I'm not quite sure. | 21:35 |
| dividediff[m] | My person guess based on nothing is that chna prob had around 30,000 deaths | 21:36 |
| dividediff[m] | !covid sudan | 21:36 |
| CoronaBot | Sudan: Global rank: #170, cases: 14 (+2), fatalities: 2, active cases: 10, total recovered: 2, in a serious condition: -. Mortality: 14.29%, case fatality rate: 50.00%, cases/1M: 0.3, deaths/1M: 0.1. Case rate: 0/24h, death rate: 0/24h. | 21:36 |
| dividediff[m] | !covid south sudan | 21:37 |
| CoronaBot | South Sudan: Global rank: #210, cases: 1, fatalities: -, active cases: 1, total recovered: -, in a serious condition: -. Mortality: -, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 0.1, deaths/1M: -. | 21:37 |
| l0ndoner | intresting isn't it | 21:37 |
| dividediff[m] | til that there is a south sudan but not a north sudan | 21:37 |
| tinwhiskers | There are about 100 people in quarantine with flu symptoms waiting for test results (but there is a big seasonal flu going around anyway). The border wasn't closed until fairly late, and we had a flight arrive with an infected flight attendant, which then went on to Fiji and some passengers there subsequently tested positive. There are still 80 passengers from that flight that have not been tracked down. Yeah, I think it's probably here | 21:37 |
| tinwhiskers | . It would be a friggin miracle it if wasn't, but miracles are pretty much Tonga's strategy so I'm sure they know what they're doing. | 21:37 |
| tinwhiskers | the test results have to come from NZ | 21:37 |
| dividediff[m] | !covid north sudan | 21:37 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[ERR] Country/state not found! | 21:37 |
| eaxomar | Sudan is north-Sudan maybe? | 21:38 |
| dividediff[m] | eaxomar: seems that way | 21:38 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: ahh the 4 stage strategy, except due to lack of money | 21:39 |
| tinwhiskers | 4 stage? denial, anger, etc? | 21:40 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: i'll see if i can find the meme b4 lj gets back | 21:40 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSXIetP5iak | 21:41 |
| dividediff[m] | someone showed me this vid in this chat | 21:41 |
| eaxomar | brilliant series | 21:41 |
| tinwhiskers | :-) | 21:41 |
| l0ndoner | so phase two someone stands up and says everythings ok now you can all rush out and get on with your lives or will it be a drip drip release | 21:43 |
| tinwhiskers | drip drip probably | 21:44 |
| dividediff[m] | i heard the spanish flu had 3 waves in some countries | 21:44 |
| bin_bash | i doubt anyone will be getting on with their lives anytime soon | 21:44 |
| dividediff[m] | due to not drip drip | 21:44 |
| dividediff[m] | how many waves do yall think your country will have? | 21:45 |
| tinwhiskers | some countries are planning to have regional differences in the easing of restrictions, which will probably be a fairly common approach as time goes on. | 21:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:39 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/J65MSr | 21:45 |
| bin_bash | n waves | 21:46 |
| dividediff[m] | i'm thinking canada will have like 1.5 waves... ppl hopefully aren't crazy enough to have a proper 2nd wave, but not tame enough to not have any other way | 21:47 |
| dividediff[m] | way = wave** | 21:47 |
| bin_bash | everyone will have an arbitrarily large yet finite number of waves unless international travel is canceled forever | 21:47 |
| eaxomar | unless immunity | 21:48 |
| dividediff[m] | bin_bash: or maybe we could one great vaccine tech | 21:48 |
| bin_bash | sure, until a vaccine is developed | 21:48 |
| eaxomar | Or natural immunity | 21:48 |
| dividediff[m] | perhaps transhumanism one day thumbs up | 21:49 |
| eaxomar | Any new on antibody testing? | 21:49 |
| l0ndoner | will life ever get back to normal. going to pub will seem strange | 21:49 |
| eaxomar | *news | 21:49 |
| bin_bash | probably not | 21:49 |
| dividediff[m] | Last i checked naturally immunity is not confirmed. Even if immunity exists to covid19, it's unknown how long it'll last | 21:50 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: given how quickly the peaks are predicted to come (https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america), then I'm guessing we might start seeing cases rise again a couple of months after restrictions are eased, but if they are eased just the right amount we might not see such peaks. maybe two or three secondary peaks of lower magnitude until a vaccine is ready?? | 21:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2239 cases (now 1417338), +107 deaths (now 81353), +206 recoveries (now 301372) since 46 minutes ago — US: +2051 cases (now 390387), +81 deaths (now 12474), +172 recoveries (now 21488) since 46 minutes ago — Illinois, US: +1287 cases (now 13549), +73 deaths (now 380) since 46 minutes ago | 21:50 |
| l0ndoner | uk tried herd immunity for 2 weeks.. It didn't help | 21:50 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: immunity is confirmed (people recovered). How long for, unknown but at least 2 months | 21:51 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: yea we're all hoping for the sub hospital overflow tide til vaccine | 21:51 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: source? | 21:51 |
| tinwhiskers | source: the hundreds of thousands of people who have recovered? | 21:52 |
| dividediff[m] | 1 sec | 21:52 |
| tinwhiskers | they developed antibodies that killed the virus = immune | 21:52 |
| eaxomar | l0ndoner as far as i know, everyone is still doing herd immunity | 21:52 |
| l0ndoner | so if there are sper spreaders are their super immunity carriers? | 21:53 |
| blkshp | herd immunity is short for, stop everyone getting it now so the health service can still run | 21:53 |
| l0ndoner | if there are super spreaders are their super immunity carriers? | 21:53 |
| tinwhiskers | there are monkey studies where they have tried to reinfect them periodically and so far those have been running for about 2 months now and they have not been reinfected. | 21:54 |
| eaxomar | l0ndoner afaik there are no healthy carriers, if you develop immunity, you don't spread. | 21:54 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: "There hasn’t been enough time to research COVID-19 in order to determine whether patients who recover from COVID-19 are immune to the disease" | 21:54 |
| dividediff[m] | https://time.com/5810454/coronavirus-immunity-reinfection/ | 21:54 |
| l0ndoner | so let me get this straight we bankrupted a country to save the NHS ? | 21:55 |
| eaxomar | No | 21:55 |
| eaxomar | if nhs get flooded more people will die. | 21:55 |
| tinwhiskers | they are immune by definition. How long for is another matter. | 21:55 |
| blkshp | who takes care of the 100x the number of sick if the NHS fails? | 21:55 |
| tinwhiskers | Their body is capable of killing the virus. that IS immunity | 21:55 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: “We would expect that if you have antibodies that neutralize the virus, you will have immunity,” | 21:55 |
| dividediff[m] | so yea | 21:55 |
| blkshp | We only have limited ventilatiors and the oxygen pressurethingy machine | 21:56 |
| kirinchan | when they do those swab test are they looking for the virus or antibodies? | 21:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 19:54 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The Guardian su Twitter: "Boris Johnson to stay in hospital amid concerns over political vacuum https://t.co/nxQb20P4wC" → https://is.gd/LI8qrC | 21:56 |
| tinwhiskers | Except for some questionable observations of people testing positive again shortly after recovering, those that have recovered have not shown indications of getting reinfected. We have good reason to believe we will have immunity for at least a year or two, but we don't know for sure, hence the challenge tests on monkeys (we can't do that to people!) | 21:57 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: isn't it like that whole science cigarette thing, where cigarettes have nvr technically been proven deadly in humans - bc it's illegal to test deadly things on humans - but we know it's deadly due to testing it on arrays of non humans | 21:57 |
| tinwhiskers | err. is it? | 21:57 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: if someone is immune to the strain they had, can they possibly get sick from another strain? | 21:58 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: sure, but there aren't currently any other strains and this is a much slower mutating virus than influenza | 21:59 |
| eaxomar | cigarettes have been tested on humans | 21:59 |
| eaxomar | no in a lab, but thoroughly in the wild | 21:59 |
| kirinchan | I thought there were 8 strains | 21:59 |
| l0ndoner | is it possible knowing we have super spreaders that there are people who are super immune, couldn't we use that if they agreed... crude layout of a question and I appolise | 21:59 |
| l0ndoner | appoligise* | 22:00 |
| eaxomar | l0ndoner it doesn't seem to be the case. | 22:00 |
| dividediff[m] | eaxomar: yea correlational studies rather than double blind randomised i think | 22:00 |
| eaxomar | Exactly | 22:00 |
| tinwhiskers | l0ndoner: when you deal with millions of cases of things just about anything is possible in very small numbers. | 22:00 |
| eaxomar | but for some things you just can't double blind | 22:00 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: i heard about ~8 strains too | 22:00 |
| eaxomar | where does the number come from? | 22:01 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: that's arbitrary. You coudl equally say there are 3000 strains since we have that many different sequences. | 22:01 |
| eaxomar | and how do you define a strain? | 22:01 |
| tinwhiskers | you visually look at the phylogenetic tree and say... I reckon that branch looks special | 22:01 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: okay ic, so the other covid19 strains are insignitifant. thats good | 22:01 |
| eaxomar | and do we know anything about cross immunity between different variations? | 22:02 |
| tinwhiskers | You can see the tree here: https://nextstrain.org/ | 22:02 |
| l0ndoner | Does the virus attacks the cells if so so does cancer and we've come on leaps and bounds in that regard | 22:03 |
| tinwhiskers | https://nextstrain.org/ncov rather | 22:03 |
| tinwhiskers | currently 2898 sequences there, so OMG 2898 MUTATIONS! | 22:03 |
| dividediff[m] | l0ndoner: come again? | 22:04 |
| ubLIX | US confirmed cases on February 28th: 60. ProPublica on February 28th: "It remains to be seen what effect the delay in producing a working test will have on the health of Americans." US confirmed cases on April 7th: 390,387 (12,474 deaths) | 22:04 |
| l0ndoner | Does the virus attacks the cells if so | 22:05 |
| l0ndoner | so does cancer and we've come on leaps and bounds in that regard | 22:05 |
| ubLIX | ProPublica on February 28th: https://www.propublica.org/article/cdc-coronavirus-covid-19-test | 22:05 |
| AimHere | The virus is very unlike cancer. | 22:05 |
| eaxomar | tinwhiskers thanks, but i'm not competent to make sense of that data. | 22:05 |
| tinwhiskers | l0ndoner: yes, viruses destroy cells when they replicate | 22:05 |
| tinwhiskers | eaxomar: as you can see, it's pretty arbitrary if you say there is 8 or 12 or 15 branches in that tree | 22:06 |
| ThomCat[m] | l0ndoner Uhhh, seeing as we have 10 million cancer deaths every year worldwide | 22:06 |
| l0ndoner | yea but certain cancers are now curable where as before it was a death sentence | 22:07 |
| bin_bash | no, some cancers are treatable at some points | 22:07 |
| tinwhiskers | l0ndoner: this virus is curable as well | 22:07 |
| bin_bash | it's not true to say that some cancers are curable. | 22:07 |
| eaxomar | Yes. I mean it seems they repertoriate virus mutations, but there's no way of knowing (for a layman) whether they are significant, regarding virulence or immunity. | 22:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:03 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Boris Johnson in intensive care as confirmed cases in Africa pass 10,000 → https://is.gd/r4k1w4 | 22:07 |
| tinwhiskers | eaxomar: there is no way for anyone to tell, really. You can choose visual or statistical methods for dividing the tree, but really what matters is how the virus behaves, and as yet, there is no evidence to suggest there is more than one strain in that regard. | 22:08 |
| eaxomar | ok, so far so good. | 22:09 |
| tinwhiskers | yep, as far as we know :-) | 22:09 |
| eaxomar | Anyone here recovered or witnessed recovery? | 22:09 |
| kreyren | Kofola company which is czech producent of cola updated their TV ad as a response to covid-19 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLZqezBySbY | original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlsrOxd0NBw | 22:09 |
| eaxomar | I'm still anxious about long term effects of the disease. | 22:09 |
| l0ndoner | I remember a reporter woman who had recovered said her bile had turned blue | 22:10 |
| l0ndoner | hows that even possible | 22:10 |
| dividediff[m] | l0ndoner: must be an expression | 22:10 |
| eaxomar | I was thinking more about first hand experience. | 22:11 |
| eaxomar | crickets | 22:17 |
| graphine | hej | 22:17 |
| eaxomar | hi | 22:18 |
| tinwhiskers | well, my neighbour's daughter, who lives in Switzerland has recovered... That's the only person I know of | 22:18 |
| kreyren | Czech ministry of health is going wild on graphs and is now also tracking measles as an addition to SARS-CoV-2, apparently more graphs on the way https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/spalnicky | 22:18 |
| dividediff[m] | kreyren: english? | 22:19 |
| eaxomar | ok, did you talk with her? | 22:19 |
| eaxomar | I think that kind of information could be valuable. | 22:19 |
| stinkpot | czechia is amazing these days | 22:19 |
| eaxomar | That or a study on the subject but I don't think they exist as yet. | 22:20 |
| eaxomar | I know people who were diagnosed positive,but no recoveries yet. Seems to last a long time. | 22:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2364 cases (now 1419702), +173 deaths (now 81526) since 31 minutes ago — US: +1088 cases (now 391475), +78 deaths (now 12552) since 31 minutes ago — Brazil: +1085 cases (now 13717), +79 deaths (now 667) since 31 minutes ago | 22:20 |
| dividediff[m] | The the topic of what we were talking about earlier | 22:21 |
| tinwhiskers | eaxomar: nah | 22:21 |
| kreyren | dividediff[m], not yet available in english (citizens shoudn't even know about that page yet) | 22:22 |
| eaxomar | Ok. Thought I'd ask, seemed like the quickest way to get a clear picture of the disease. | 22:23 |
| tinwhiskers | corrected for population Czechia is not really doing as well as their supporters claim. | 22:25 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: source? | 22:25 |
| tinwhiskers | http://offloop.net/covid19/ | 22:26 |
| dividediff[m] | !covid czechia | 22:26 |
| CoronaBot | Czechia: Global rank: #27, cases: 4,944 (+122), fatalities: 88 (+10), active cases: 4,684, total recovered: 172, in a serious condition: 86. Mortality: 1.78%, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 462.0, deaths/1M: 8.0. Case rate: 235/24h, death rate: 11/24h. Tests: 91,247, tests/1M: 8,521. | 22:26 |
| tinwhiskers | turn on "by population", and align cases at 100. You'll see many (most?) countries are climbing more slowly than Czechia | 22:26 |
| l0ndoner | !covid London | 22:26 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[ERR] Country/state not found! | 22:26 |
| l0ndoner | sorry | 22:27 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, what makes you think that? | 22:27 |
| tinwhiskers | I just said what makes me think that | 22:27 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: darn you're right! | 22:27 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: so is #masks4all nonsense then? | 22:28 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't think so, no, but that doesn't help the message :-/ | 22:29 |
| kreyren | Like the numbers make it look like the situation in czechia is bad, but i don't really see it being the case assuming that it seems that we conducted a tests for all the people who were in direct contact with the virus (note that we had around 8000 citizens most of which were tested positive that had to be sent back to czechia) and that it did not get into a populus | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 20:18 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: A domani! → https://is.gd/WSTYMK | 22:30 |
| dividediff[m] | kreyren: czechia's case/mill is about the same as canada :( | 22:30 |
| dividediff[m] | when did czech start the mask movement? | 22:31 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, notice the peak in the days where we take the infected citizens from italy, etc.. to CZ and then the situation was under control https://i.imgur.com/yUucsa5.png | 22:31 |
| kreyren | dividediff[m], mask movement meaning? We started to make masks for free and are distributing them to public (there are pretty much available everywhere in CZ now even in vending machines) | 22:32 |
| dividediff[m] | kreyren: yea that free mask movement and whatnot. What date about did that start? | 22:33 |
| kreyren | dividediff[m], right after germany stole our supplies pretty much iirc 15.03.2020 | 22:34 |
| dividediff[m] | kreyren: from the looks of the graph, seemed like the masks helped | 22:36 |
| dividediff[m] | compared to canada at least | 22:36 |
| dividediff[m] | #maskWars | 22:36 |
| kreyren | dividediff[m], helped a lot assuming that data suggest that the spread is caused by droplets | 22:37 |
| prathux[m] | !cases india | 22:38 |
| CovBot | In India there have been a total of 5,311 cases as of 2020-04-07 20:31:00 UTC. Of these 4,740 (89.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 421 (7.9%) have definitely recovered and 150 (2.8%) have died. | 22:39 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: no, I don't know what days you took cases from other countries | 22:39 |
| tinwhiskers | Wasn't it like a dozen or so patients? | 22:39 |
| linext | why are there so many new people getting covid? | 22:39 |
| tinwhiskers | linext: it's, like, viral | 22:40 |
| linext | what about all the mandatory rules to prevent spreading it? | 22:40 |
| dividediff[m] | linext: you're new to the corona research scene? | 22:40 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, afaik it was around 3500 from italy and rest from the world | 22:40 |
| tinwhiskers | there's a lag of about 2 weeks from implementing plans until you see a reduction in cases, linext | 22:41 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: you have any details on days and amounts? | 22:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:34 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: France becomes fourth country to pass 10,000 deaths: COVID-19 has now infected more than 1,407,100 people around the world, killing at least 80,759 people as of Tuesday. → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 22:41 |
| tinwhiskers | linext: more like 2-4 weeks | 22:41 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, https://onemocneni-aktualne.mzcr.cz/covid-19 which suggest it being 578, checking now | 22:42 |
| tinwhiskers | that's quite a lot. Very generous | 22:42 |
| linext | can corona virus be killed by freezing it? | 22:43 |
| tinwhiskers | that would account for about 2 days worth of growth | 22:43 |
| tinwhiskers | linext: no | 22:43 |
| tinwhiskers | linext: but you can store it for a long time that way | 22:43 |
| linext | does the cold preserve it longer? | 22:43 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: technically yes, but not at freezer temps | 22:43 |
| Arsanerit | linext: yes — if you're sick with corona and you freeze to death, the virus dies. | 22:44 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 22:44 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, from what i understand the amount of confirmed were around 3000 in 03/2020 where we didn't have tests to test everyone and all of them were from outside of czechia excluding three cases that spread it to <50 people. | 22:44 |
| Arsanerit | not sure if the virus dies instantly or survives for a bit after the host is dead | 22:44 |
| nb | !cases indiana | 22:44 |
| Arsanerit | !cases georgia | 22:44 |
| linext | i bought a loaf of poppy seed strudel from a small deli and put it into my freezer | 22:44 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: it'll store for quite a long time (maybe months) at freezer temperature | 22:44 |
| CovBot | In Indiana, United States there have been a total of 5,507 cases as of 2020-04-07 20:31:00 UTC. Of these 5,334 (96.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 0 (0.0%) have definitely recovered and 173 (3.1%) have died. | 22:44 |
| nb | I thought it used to let you specify a state? | 22:44 |
| CovBot | In Georgia there have been a total of 196 cases as of 2020-04-07 20:31:00 UTC. Of these 147 (75.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 46 (23.5%) have definitely recovered and 3 (1.5%) have died. | 22:45 |
| nb | oh, now it worked | 22:45 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: but, yeah | 22:45 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, and also cases where those infected spread it to more people around them that triggered the state-wide quarantine to prevent further damage | 22:45 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: you can't ignore news cases that originated inside the country for any reason you choose | 22:46 |
| dividediff[m] | tinwhiskers: liquid nitrogen. the best way to store frozen pizzas | 22:46 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 22:46 |
| Arsanerit | !cases world | 22:46 |
| CovBot | In World there have been a total of 1,419,892 cases as of 2020-04-07 20:31:00 UTC. Of these 1,036,886 (73.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 301,471 (21.2%) have definitely recovered and 81,535 (5.7%) have died. | 22:46 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, meaning? | 22:46 |
| Arsanerit | !cases vatican city | 22:46 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: it seems as though you're trying to claim those cases should count against your total | 22:47 |
| linext | in the county where i live, there's 1 tested positive case for every 133 people | 22:47 |
| tinwhiskers | *shouldn't | 22:47 |
| CovBot | In Vatican City there have been a total of 7 cases as of 2020-04-07 20:31:00 UTC. Of these 7 (100.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 0 (0.0%) have definitely recovered and 0 (0.0%) have died. | 22:47 |
| Arsanerit | linext: for every 133 people or for every 133 tested people? | 22:47 |
| linext | test positive out of the entire population | 22:47 |
| Arsanerit | how many were tested? | 22:47 |
| linext | Arsanerit, https://www.state.nj.us/health/cd/topics/covid2019_dashboard.shtml | 22:48 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, shoudn't count agains the total, but they are relevant to the current mortality and confirmed cases assuming that there were the only source of infection that has been handled properly. | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: s| https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4/page/page_0/ | https://corona.rki.de/ | g | 22:48 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: I'm not sure I agree. You seem to be trying very hard to talk your numbers into looking better than they really are. | 22:48 |
| Arsanerit | In my district (350k inhabitants) there are 256 positively tested cases and 8 casualties. | 22:49 |
| Arsanerit | 72 positively tested cases per 100k inhabitants | 22:49 |
| tinwhiskers | I mean, yeah, if you really brought 3000 infected cases in that does account for a bit more than half your numbers so that's fair but was it really 3000? | 22:49 |
| linext | Arsanerit, that must be nice. here they closed everything | 22:50 |
| Arsanerit | linext: what is nice? | 22:50 |
| tinwhiskers | I can't really see any specific days that highlight an significant imported cases so presumably they didn't all happen in one burst | 22:50 |
| linext | Arsanerit, there's pretty much no people who have it in your district | 22:50 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i am because i believe that we have the accurate count within 97% of infected with covid-19 that were hold under the quarantine and the mortality is within those who did not listen to government issued warning about traveling to risk areas that came back with the infection to be treated and mostly died as a result of that. | 22:51 |
| Arsanerit | linext: nearest hotspot is Hohenlohekreis with 585 positively tested cases on 112,000 inhabitants | 22:51 |
| linext | if you divide 350,000 by 256, you can get the number of healthy to sick people | 22:51 |
| Arsanerit | Germany tests more than many other countries | 22:51 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: that really doesn't speak to why your numbers have increased so quickly. | 22:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:45 UTC: Watch live: Coronavirus task force holds briefing as Congress considers additional funding: Members of the coronavirus task force are expected to hold a press briefing Tuesday, in what has become a daily affair as the pandemic continues to claim lives. → https://is.gd/DNoXNy | 22:52 |
| tinwhiskers | "those who did not listen" is part of your valid numbers, not an excuse to consider them lower than they show | 22:52 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, why not? As you can see there are no longer increasing which i believe proves the info provided | 22:52 |
| Arsanerit | linext: They did close almost everything here, but we're still allowed to go outside. | 22:53 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: you're not making a lot of sense | 22:53 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, O.o | 22:53 |
| dividediff[m] | guys chill | 22:54 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, makes sense to me.. | 22:54 |
| tinwhiskers | well, ok :-) | 22:54 |
| Arsanerit | Some district in northeast Germany have less than 20 cases per 100k inhabitants | 22:54 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, or like prove me wrong i am open minded ^-^ | 22:54 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: you're making excuses for the bad numbers you have, but the excuses just are not reasonable. | 22:55 |
| tinwhiskers | you can't exclude cases where people ignored advice as though they shouldn't count against you | 22:55 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, why not? | 22:55 |
| dividediff[m] | "hydroxy moron | 22:56 |
| dividediff[m] | One who preaches the miracle nature of hydroxychloroquine sulfate that has nothing to do with the business degree they hold or the virus they're trying to cure." | 22:56 |
| tinwhiskers | well, every country can do that. they are a valid part of the count | 22:56 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i don't disagree with that, but i am saying that those people caused the mortality rate and spread the infection where czechia couldn't really do anything more assuming it being democratic country and not dictatorship to force those people in staying in the country assuming that they were infected outside of czechia | 22:57 |
| tinwhiskers | your imported cases is a valid reason to say your count is not representative of the management stragegy | 22:57 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: right. every country faces that problem and those cases count against their total. You don't get to wave away cases because people behaved badly. | 22:58 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i don't disagree with that, but you pointed to those numbers proving that the covid-19 situation in czechia is bad where it is not assuming that we are in process of revoking quarantine.. | 22:59 |
| tinwhiskers | revoking quarantine has nothing to do with your numbers | 23:00 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, it has to do with the situation i don't dispute the numbers | 23:00 |
| tinwhiskers | your numbers are what they are because of how your management has panned out | 23:00 |
| tinwhiskers | and your numbers are just not that good | 23:01 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i would say that they are the best possible result assuming that we did not force those citizens from traveling to risk countries. | 23:01 |
| kreyren | they would be much better otherwise based on establishment they would be 50% down at minimum | 23:02 |
| aradesh | lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gds2fRXSXjQ | 23:02 |
| tinwhiskers | well, your management choice is your management choice, however the result of that choice is that your numbers are not very good - certainly not as good as has been claimed | 23:02 |
| aradesh | trump's ordered 29 million tablets that are almost certainly not going to help | 23:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:55 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: France becomes fourth country to pass 10,000 deaths: COVID-19 has now infected more than 1,407,100 people around the world, killing at least 80,759 people as of Tuesday. → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 23:03 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i would say good, but not perfect assuming the infection from outside of czechia and leak of infection in senior care house that caused another <20 fatalities | 23:03 |
| tinwhiskers | everyone could say their numbers would be better if they had done something else, but the fact is you did what you did and the numbers are what they are. | 23:03 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i don't feel like going full trump by doing things like letting infected citizens die on a cruise ship is an acceptable solution for czechia to make the numbers look better i.e forcing them to stay in a state | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1911 cases (now 1421613), +126 deaths (now 81652), +118 recoveries (now 301516) since 46 minutes ago — US: +1555 cases (now 393030), +105 deaths (now 12657), +73 recoveries (now 21561) since 46 minutes ago — Massachusetts, US: +1365 cases (now 15202), +96 deaths (now 356) since 46 minutes ago | 23:05 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: well, as I said, importing cases is a valid reason, but not things like people misbehaving or the results of you implementing your strategy of easing restrictions. Those are precisely the things that count toward your numbers - your management. | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RKI database disaster \o/ :-S | 23:09 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, but they don't necessary provide the accurate representation of a situation, i.e comparing 4000 infected in czechia to iran -> Czechia does test so that we know who exactly is infected and is being handled where it is not in populus compared to iran not reporting numbers and letting people die | 23:09 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: what? | 23:09 |
| bin_bash | kreyren: really? every person in czechia has been tested? | 23:09 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: your argument doesn't hold up and czechia is not in a special place with regard to ignoring cases they don't want | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://corona.rki.de/ cases/day random nonsense | 23:10 |
| kreyren | bin_bash, 97% of all cases was based on my research assuming that people who has the symptoms has the tests for free and that people are reporting others who cough to be investigated | 23:10 |
| bin_bash | kreyren: ok so no, thye arent. | 23:11 |
| bin_bash | so it's the same as everywhere else. | 23:11 |
| tinwhiskers | I know you really really want to believe czechia is doing a great job but it's just not and that comes down to how you have managed the situation. | 23:11 |
| bin_bash | blind nationalism is a helluva drug | 23:11 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: you mean the big bar there? | 23:11 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 23:11 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i don't understand your logic to decide that X amount of cases compared to mortality provides an accurate representation of the situation in the country assuming that there are lots of variables as explained above | 23:12 |
| tinwhiskers | every country has a lot of variables. You can't ignore cases based on the behaviour of people you don't condone or that you are easing your restrictions. That is all part of how you are managing the situation | 23:13 |
| kreyren | bin_bash, i ain't nationalist O.o i am mostly the one who keeps complaining, but from available information i don't believe the situation being bad as presented above | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://i.imgur.com/zrDNkzT.png https://i.imgur.com/ejew0Dl.png https://i.imgur.com/AVrkysm.png | 23:13 |
| dividediff[m] | How good is our lung rejuvenation tech? Since corona seems to smtms leave perm dmg | 23:13 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: ok, I see, crazy shit xD | 23:14 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i am not disputing the numbers i am disputing the situation assumed from the numbers, the decision to let the citizens travel to risk countries and the random infection in senior care house is on czechia | 23:14 |
| tinwhiskers | ok, well this is goping round in circles now. I give up. | 23:14 |
| kreyren | meh | 23:14 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: I see a "Data limit exceeded" warning thing | 23:14 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 23:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Amazon testing disinfectant fog at New York warehouse after protests → https://is.gd/m0bP6h | 23:14 |
| mefistofeles | probably these arcgis dashboards are a crappy solution... who's shocked? not me | 23:15 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, for the record i said that those two incidents are on czechia never said that they shoudn't count or something | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I'm surprised it worked so long | 23:15 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: I'm not saying the situation in czechia is bad, just that it's not any better than most other countries, as it is held up to be. | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((data limit warning)) getting same now, seems they're recovering slowly, diagram ends 2020-04-03 now | 23:18 |
| aradesh | yeah i thought czechia were doing pretty well | 23:18 |
| tinwhiskers | that's what we've been told but the numbers say otherwise | 23:19 |
| tinwhiskers | they're not doing badly either though | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile https://sites.google.com/view/covid19-intel/europe/germany 5,605 6,151 6,888 6,390 4,489 4,385 3,341 4,032 (last one nit fixed yet) | 23:20 |
| Arsanerit | We'll get over it. | 23:20 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, fair enough O.o i believe that the numbers with prove you otherwise soon :3 | 23:27 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: I hope so | 23:27 |
| mefistofeles | Arsanerit: of course, nobody thinks otherwise, except paranoids | 23:28 |
| mefistofeles | I just hope there's something to be learnt from this, but tbh, I can easily see people 2-3 months after going back o normal form all this just forgetting about why this really happened | 23:29 |
| tinwhiskers | we only get a virus every 80 years or so. No need to fund the WHO or CDC. They did a crap job anyway. | 23:30 |
| Arsanerit | mefistofeles: many people yes, although in general I think it's going to take a little longer than 2-3 months | 23:30 |
| tinwhiskers | umm /s | 23:30 |
| Arsanerit | IIRC when H1N1 came around France ordered 85 million vaccines (?) then destroyed them unused, health minister was criticised for waste. | 23:30 |
| mefistofeles | Arsanerit: that's not what I said | 23:30 |
| Arsanerit | mefistofeles: nor me | 23:30 |
| mefistofeles | I didn't mean it was going to take 2-3 months | 23:30 |
| Arsanerit | mefistofeles: we agree | 23:30 |
| graphine | hej | 23:31 |
| mefistofeles | Arsanerit: ok, gotcha | 23:31 |
| graphine | how is life todays | 23:31 |
| Arsanerit | And now for something completely different. | 23:31 |
| kreyren | Is trump infected by covid-19? Seems that he's taking some experimental drug agains it now? | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | how do you know? did he turn from orange to green? | 23:37 |
| mefistofeles | personal call | 23:38 |
| mefistofeles | ;) | 23:38 |
| tinwhiskers | someone mentioned purple bile earlier. I guess if trump turned green, his bile might go purple (green+orange) | 23:38 |
| graphine | hej mefistofeles | 23:38 |
| euod[m] | trump is fat and old, so he's probably one of the highest risks possible. that said he has some expensive care around him. | 23:38 |
| aradesh | expensive care doesn't make much difference to be honest | 23:38 |
| aradesh | it's a virus that we don't know how to cure | 23:38 |
| kreyren | DocScrutinizer05, from https://youtu.be/-270VwW1C_0 apparently | 23:39 |
| aradesh | all you can do is provide some oxygen and make you feel more comfortable | 23:39 |
| mefistofeles | it does, you get a ventilator really early | 23:39 |
| mefistofeles | :P | 23:39 |
| kreyren | trying to find a reference now | 23:39 |
| graphine | insulting trump doesnt help at all | 23:39 |
| mefistofeles | your lungs wont collapse as most covid patients do | 23:39 |
| tinwhiskers | It's hard to imagine someone like that not getting convalescent plasma therapy now, which should give very good results. | 23:39 |
| aradesh | mefistofeles: right, but other than that | 23:39 |
| kreyren | graphine, helps my mood | 23:39 |
| kreyren | :p | 23:39 |
| euod[m] | expensive care can go as far as literally putting trump in a positive pressure room and welding him there. | 23:39 |
| graphine | hm | 23:39 |
| aradesh | mefistofeles: not gonna be any difference between a million dollar ventilator and a normal one :P | 23:39 |
| euod[m] | graphine: er that's more a medical assessment than an insult. he is fat, he is old. | 23:39 |
| euod[m] | both are risk factors. | 23:39 |
| mefistofeles | aradesh: problem is that many covid patients don't get one at all | 23:39 |
| graphine | i see euod[m] | 23:39 |
| aradesh | mefistofeles: yup :/ | 23:39 |
| mefistofeles | actually, most of them | 23:40 |
| mefistofeles | but anyways xD | 23:40 |
| aradesh | mefistofeles: but what i mean was, being a billionaire or whatever, won't get you anything -extra- than that, as there is just nothing we know of | 23:40 |
| tinwhiskers | from what I understand if you get convalescent plasma early enough it's almost a sure thing | 23:40 |
| aradesh | that can be done | 23:40 |
| graphine | lots of americans are fat | 23:40 |
| graphine | good luck lol | 23:40 |
| rager | lol | 23:40 |
| rager | he definitely has a revolving cast of bloodbags | 23:40 |
| rager | they're all responsible for producing the antibodies his own immune system can't possibly imagine doing any more | 23:40 |
| euod[m] | mefistofeles: I doubt it matters. you have a 20-40% chance of living if you're on a ventilator depending where you read. it's end times if you are in that situation. | 23:40 |
| rager | if I were a billionaire, I'd keep a few people on retainer who'd recovered for those plasma infusions | 23:40 |
| graphine | we will than all get trumps blood? rager | 23:40 |
| graphine | i ll pass than | 23:41 |
| graphine | some channels on freenode irc should be ranamed from social into anti-social | 23:42 |
| graphine | not very talkative | 23:42 |
| graphine | this room is rocknroll just the topic is sad | 23:42 |
| mefistofeles | euod[m]: that's because you get a ventilator late, because there aren't many so you cannot give them early | 23:42 |
| rager | Slack did a real number on IRC | 23:42 |
| mefistofeles | euod[m]: but Trump or so, would just get one early | 23:43 |
| graphine | plus backup | 23:43 |
| mefistofeles | just like mr Johnson | 23:43 |
| euod[m] | mefistofeles: would he though? it means being sedated generally. | 23:43 |
| rager | most terrifying news lately was the evidence of heart damage | 23:43 |
| mefistofeles | euod[m]: again, mr Johnson | 23:43 |
| graphine | heart damage ? | 23:44 |
| tinwhiskers | he'll just drink the blood of an aide with matching blood type | 23:44 |
| rager | like... 50% of people who end up with heart tissue damage from covid-19 end up dead | 23:44 |
| rager | and 20% of the folks in hospitals are ending up with heart damage | 23:44 |
| rager | https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/ | 23:44 |
| tinwhiskers | rager: 100% end up dead! | 23:44 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: USA like to give even more, 110% | 23:44 |
| mefistofeles | likes* | 23:44 |
| graphine | lol | 23:44 |
| tinwhiskers | :-) | 23:44 |
| graphine | mefistofeles, | 23:45 |
| graphine | haha | 23:45 |
| rager | you know exactly what I meant | 23:45 |
| tinwhiskers | rager: the time period is important. I don't know what you mean at all. | 23:45 |
| tinwhiskers | within a month? 5 years? | 23:45 |
| graphine | 1110% as trump is 1010 | 23:45 |
| rager | uh huh | 23:45 |
| rager | we haven't had 5 years of covid-19, genius | 23:45 |
| tinwhiskers | well, in that case I'll just have to call bullshit on your numbers I'm afraid | 23:46 |
| graphine | anti matter can maybe help | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: >>if you get convalescent plasma early enough it's almost a sure thing<< should do, yeah | 23:46 |
| graphine | they said it somewhere | 23:46 |
| rager | https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/ | 23:47 |
| rager | not my numbers, it's Kaiser Permanente's | 23:47 |
| rager | they do hospitals or something | 23:47 |
| rager | so stop playing semantic games and just read the damn article | 23:47 |
| mefistofeles | graphine: I bet a physicist said that... I don't really get why physicists think they should have a word in all of this? just stfu and let the real experts deal with it | 23:47 |
| graphine | Kaiser? | 23:47 |
| mefistofeles | </rant> | 23:47 |
| graphine | Franz Beckenbauer? | 23:47 |
| graphine | lol mefistofeles | 23:47 |
| graphine | satan has it ways doesnt he mefistofeles | 23:48 |
| graphine | heat helps anyway | 23:48 |
| rager | only a physicist actually thinks antimatter exists | 23:48 |
| tinwhiskers | rager: so by lung damage did you mean heart damage? "And those who did were significantly more likely to die: 51% of those with heart damage died versus 4.5% who did not have it." | 23:48 |
| rager | engineers know that it "does" but not in any appreciable sense | 23:48 |
| rager | okay, so I flubbed a word here and htere | 23:48 |
| rager | my "Oh... shit" conclusion is that heart damage is common, and it's pretty bad for you | 23:49 |
| graphine | technnician than have to put the anti matter into those little pills | 23:49 |
| graphine | lol | 23:49 |
| graphine | thats you can take | 23:49 |
| rager | does this scary? discuss. | 23:49 |
| graphine | better heart dead than brain dead | 23:49 |
| tinwhiskers | 19% of severe cases showed heart damage and of those 51% died. That is a concern, for sure :-) | 23:50 |
| rager | eh... either way, and you stop living | 23:50 |
| graphine | i better go and create something graphical | 23:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1412 cases (now 1423025), +92 deaths (now 81744), +107 recoveries (now 301623) since 45 minutes ago — US: +1152 cases (now 394182), +59 deaths (now 12716) since 47 minutes ago — California, US: +752 cases (now 17165) since 47 minutes ago | 23:50 |
| rager | not severe cases | 23:51 |
| rager | hospitalized cases | 23:51 |
| rager | severe cases are a category included generally within that category | 23:51 |
| rager | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2763524?resultClick=1 | 23:51 |
| tinwhiskers | ok, hospitalised cases | 23:51 |
| rager | doesn't mean 20% of all cases, sure | 23:52 |
| dividediff[m] | I'm surprised i don't hear more about 'salbutamol inhalers', apparently they help lung disease in general | 23:52 |
| rager | ass-mar inhalers? | 23:53 |
| bin_bash | what?! | 23:55 |
| dividediff[m] | rager: prob | 23:55 |
| bin_bash | do you mean asthma?! | 23:55 |
| dividediff[m] | anyone have any fav movies/documentaries about spanish flu/other plagues? | 23:55 |
| tinwhiskers | dividediff[m]: I enjoyed the BBC doco, "contagion" more than the 2011 movie of the same name. | 23:56 |
| rager | 28... | 23:56 |
| AimHere | I do like the 1971 Andromeda Strain. | 23:57 |
| graphine | here in germany usually before corona most people did not really care for elder people now they pretend that they do how is it there? | 23:57 |
| graphine | i hope get me right | 23:58 |
| tinwhiskers | graphine: the median age in my country is 23. Not sure if we care much for older folk :-/ | 23:58 |
| graphine | my momlives with me | 23:58 |
| stinkpot | is it possible to have such a low median age | 23:59 |
| stinkpot | something tells me some emigration occurred to achieve that figure | 23:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:48 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Donald Trump holds daily press briefing: Acting navy secretary resigns after comments on ousted captain New York has now lost 5,489 residents to coronavirus → https://is.gd/zqj2A7 | 23:59 |
| graphine | he lives in a kindergarden i suppose stinkpot | 23:59 |
| stinkpot | hah | 23:59 |
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