| aradesh | apparently in the UK, non-whites are over twice represented compared to their population amongst critically ill coronavirus patients: https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/08/coronavirus-black-people-ethnic-minority-deaths-pandemic-inequality-afua-hirsch | 00:02 |
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| aradesh | with 35% of them being so | 00:02 |
| aradesh | immigrants are generally younger on average too, so this is perhaps more than twice-represented | 00:04 |
| aradesh | when taking that into account | 00:04 |
| tinwhiskers | aradesh: socio economic effects might partly explain that. People living more densely, with less ability to social distance, less ability to work from home, less ability to access healthcare early on, possibly educational effects, and there may be some cultural effects relating to following advice of authorities. | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1313 cases (now 1508413), +62 deaths (now 88179) since 38 minutes ago — Germany: +954 cases (now 113067) since 38 minutes ago — US: +359 cases (now 425828) since 38 minutes ago | 00:09 |
| ubLIX | tinwhiskers: aradesh quit already | 00:09 |
| tinwhiskers | oh | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 22:07 UTC: Add Plague.com: Doesn't add much currently, but it remains one of the best known → https://is.gd/T5wFNg | 00:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +472 cases (now 1508885), +10250 recoveries (now 329531) since 20 minutes ago — Germany: +10219 recoveries (now 46300) since 20 minutes ago — US: +472 cases (now 426300) since 20 minutes ago | 00:24 |
| LjL | and this is why i say not to even look at recoveries because those numbers are added whenever someone feels like it | 00:25 |
| Philippe[m] | <tinwhiskers "aradesh: socio economic effects "> Well put. (Although I wonder about whether minorities follow authority (non-minority?) advice any more or less than anyone else.) | 00:25 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, well, just guessing | 00:26 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, there were similar call-outs coming from the US | 00:26 |
| LjL | ... although perhaps everyone expected that. but the numbers are much much more than twice | 00:26 |
| tinwhiskers | it's not impossible that there is a genetic basis too, but it's not very likely. | 00:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:20 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: parliament passes $130bn Jobkeeper package and Ruby Princess raided – latest news: Scott Morrison has described the government’s economic stimulus package in response to the coronavirus crisis as ‘the biggest economic lifeline in Australia’s history’. Follow live → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 00:28 |
| tinwhiskers | *genetic influence | 00:28 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, i have no idea, the general situation in the US certainly isn't useful to rule out socio-economic effects, to say the least | 00:31 |
| LjL | so i'm just saying | 00:32 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 00:32 |
| swift110 | HEY AL | 00:39 |
| L0NDONER | usa black minorities for some strange reason have a lot more underlying effects like diebeties- high blood pressure and so on... I fear for the black communities | 00:40 |
| iz | s/some strange reason/socieoeconomic reasons/ | 00:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:41 UTC: As Trump attacks, WHO warns against politicizing coronavirus if you don't want 'many more body bags': President Donald Trump criticized the international agency's response to the outbreak, saying the WHO "really called, I would say, every aspect of it wrong." → https://is.gd/MRaODA | 00:44 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: New York state now has more confirmed coronavirus cases than any country in the world (10477 votes) | https://redd.it/fxb13q | 00:47 |
| swift110 | yep it sucks | 00:55 |
| ynhof[m] | Is it kosher to chat in here or is thatak in to being an irritant by flooding the feed? Methinks you'd use rss if ya didn't want to see people talk - but then again depending on what quality of idiot I am you may suddenly have just discovered this need to not see people talking. | 00:55 |
| swift110 | thats what happens when people keep travelling during a pandemic | 00:55 |
| ynhof[m] | *that akin | 00:55 |
| Xip | Hello | 00:55 |
| ynhof[m] | Howdy | 00:56 |
| Xip | Bad omen, Xip is here.. run! | 00:56 |
| Xip | LjL, here? | 00:57 |
| LjL | hi | 00:57 |
| iz | ynhof[m]: i think it's fine to chat in here, but it should try to stay on-topic | 00:57 |
| LjL | i am very intent in closing browser tabs, but i am otherwise here | 00:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:51 UTC: (news): Trump escalates tension with World Health Organization over coronavirus pandemic, repeats threat to withhold funding → https://is.gd/d0nZ0d | 00:57 |
| Xip | LjL, As I said when we were in the start. maybe this channel would become big. Holy shit. | 00:58 |
| LjL | it's still smaller than many | 00:58 |
| LjL | i mean, there's fewer people in here than i have browser tabs open | 00:58 |
| LjL | and i'm not kidding | 00:58 |
| swift110 | lol | 00:59 |
| swift110 | I wish my channel were this big | 00:59 |
| swift110 | I got less than 100 there | 00:59 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: All 11 Coronavirus patients in Greenland have now recovered. It is now the only affected country/territory with no active cases. (10761 votes) | https://redd.it/fxdwoa | 00:59 |
| Xip | I was here when it was less than 100 people! | 00:59 |
| swift110 | well my channel has been around since 2013 | 01:00 |
| ynhof[m] | You'd think being the center of attention nyc might have thought of technological countermeasures considering their various other stances on health risks. | 01:00 |
| ynhof[m] | Groceries delivered with uber, or other means - adaptable work force. | 01:00 |
| ynhof[m] | My counterargument to this is if you sit it out not having money to feed the property machine might have you out on the street. | 01:00 |
| swift110 | agreed ynhof[m] | 01:00 |
| LjL | swift110, i've got a few small channels, and most of them have consistently remained small... this one might have grown a bit exponentially, but with any luck it's tapering off | 01:00 |
| Xip | I got a few IRC networks here and there =) | 01:01 |
| Xip | Not to brag, but I got a few on them. | 01:01 |
| Xip | Anyways.. This virus seems to be pretty okay, my cough stopped, I actually got the fever too and then, nah, it's ok. | 01:02 |
| ynhof[m] | How was the fever? | 01:02 |
| ynhof[m] | I mean in terms of being anything spectacular. | 01:04 |
| ynhof[m] | For me time seems to now speed up and slow down. | 01:04 |
| Xip | Like any other fever, I was 39 celcius at worst | 01:04 |
| Xip | The weird part was that I was 35.6 afterwards, really strange | 01:04 |
| Xip | So it was undertemp | 01:04 |
| tinwhiskers | Xip: were you confirmed at all? | 01:05 |
| Xip | tinwhiskers, Oh no lol, I'm in the bunker | 01:05 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah. Ok. | 01:05 |
| Xip | I thought the world was going to end | 01:05 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh | 01:05 |
| tinwhiskers | Far less gun play than expected in the USA | 01:06 |
| Xip | I was so fast I thought, but thing was I was in a rehab when this happened | 01:06 |
| tinwhiskers | Ahh | 01:06 |
| Xip | So I got online and then I saw it and I was like "OK SHIT HIT THE FAN" thing.. | 01:07 |
| Xip | I was here some day and chatted, one time I went to the small town outside my bunker | 01:07 |
| Xip | Now we will have to see what the Swedish agenda was | 01:08 |
| Xip | I was really scared because I thought they were killing us, for real, but now maybe, it will turn out that Sweden won, again | 01:08 |
| Xip | Science.. Maybe. | 01:08 |
| Xip | You know science, it's interesting. And maybe LjL won't mind me babblign a bit, and stop me if I'm too crazy here.. | 01:09 |
| Xip | You know control groups in scientific experiments.. | 01:10 |
| Xip | Maybe Sweden was that. | 01:10 |
| ynhof[m] | XD #holds_mouth_shut.txt | 01:10 |
| Xip | And still is. | 01:10 |
| Xip | So that next time a pandemic happens, they know the strategy... | 01:11 |
| Xip | etc. | 01:11 |
| Xip | I'll shut up. | 01:11 |
| Xip | But it is weird, why is Sweden so open, and the rest of the world is shut down? | 01:11 |
| Xip | I was told by someone that they would keep it open and I was like "OMFG WE ARE GOING TO DIE" etc. to the bunker. | 01:12 |
| Xip | Now? Who knows what is real and why etc. | 01:13 |
| Xip | Kicked my cocaine addiction anyway, finally... | 01:13 |
| LjL | Sweden is not the only country that "stayed open". Korea stayed open, and still managed to slow down the epidemic using other methods | 01:14 |
| Xip | Just the mental thing still, I got to start playing golf or something | 01:14 |
| LjL | there has to be *some* method, though. just staying open and pretending nothing's happening isn't a method. | 01:14 |
| redpyramidthing| | if some country has a 99% smart population that sanitizes things and wears ~ffp3 masks etc, I would too vote to stay open - to save economy. But is Sweden truly close to that? | 01:14 |
| Xip | I can't say because I was underground literally | 01:15 |
| Xip | From what I've been reading and I've called my mom a few times (because she doesn't give a shit about this, she cares what the gov says) | 01:16 |
| Xip | Everything is normal | 01:16 |
| Xip | In Sweden nothing changed except for the fact that very old people (70+) were told to stay at home | 01:17 |
| LjL | looking at Sweden's numbers, i'd say they're just about at the point where they have to stop pretending nothing's happening | 01:17 |
| Xip | I think it's fine | 01:18 |
| LjL | quite a spike today, in cases, and deaths climbing | 01:18 |
| Xip | Herd immunity is real | 01:18 |
| LjL | uh, well, no | 01:18 |
| Xip | It's k | 01:18 |
| ynhof[m] | redpyramidthing 🐧⚛️ | 🇺🇦 🇪🇺 🇺🇸 | 01:18 |
| ynhof[m] | I notice an atomic emblem in your name, and would like to probe you for if you know who Ernest Rutherford is? | 01:18 |
| ynhof[m] | Random question... | 01:18 |
| Xip | But I don't know | 01:18 |
| Xip | No one knows, what I do think is weird is why they did that | 01:18 |
| Xip | WHO probably said like "Sweden will be the bitch in this" | 01:19 |
| Xip | Sweden is the experiment everytime the globalists want to do shit | 01:20 |
| redpyramidthing| | * i dont know him; the sign is to emphasize atheism/science over religion | 01:20 |
| ynhof[m] | Ah, thanks for answering :) | 01:20 |
| Xip | How dare you! | 01:20 |
| Xip | So anyway, in a small town here, trying to figure out how to take over the whole place.. Maybe make it a libertarian utopia with my Bitcoin funds. | 01:22 |
| Xip | Sucs Covid didn't kill everyone, so that we could finally build something that mattered.. | 01:23 |
| Xip | This virus was scary though | 01:24 |
| ynhof[m] | Like a parallel universe | 01:24 |
| Xip | Universe | 01:24 |
| Xip | It's so crazy because we are all going to die anyway | 01:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1163 cases (now 1510048), +158 deaths (now 88355), +90 recoveries (now 329621) since an hour ago — US: +779 cases (now 427079), +81 recoveries (now 22314) since an hour ago — Georgia (US), US: +288 cases (now 10189) since an hour ago | 01:24 |
| Xip | We should be nicer to each other | 01:25 |
| LjL | then be nice by not saying you wanted COVID to kill everyone! | 01:25 |
| Xip | Sorry, I didn't mean it that way | 01:26 |
| Xip | LjL, ;) | 01:26 |
| Xip | We can't see each other, it's a chat! | 01:26 |
| ynhof[m] | Its easier to be nice with less people to be nice to, if niceness is finite. | 01:27 |
| ynhof[m] | However many famous playwrights talk of positive and creative thinking as a form of exercise | 01:27 |
| Xip | I don't want anyone to be sick, I was scared to death about this whole thing | 01:27 |
| Xip | But I am fairly sure now it's not that dangerous anymore and Sweden will become the control group | 01:27 |
| Xip | We all got the virus and it's alright | 01:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:19 UTC: Coronavirus US live: Trump holds briefing as 400,000 cases confirmed in America: Bernie Sanders ends 2020 presidential run US sees highest one-day death toll Black Americans dying in greater numbers from Covid-19 → https://is.gd/wi1jdj | 01:28 |
| LjL | except we don't, and it's not | 01:28 |
| Xip | But it's a warning! If this happens again, shit could hit the fan for real | 01:28 |
| Xip | LjL, It's alright | 01:28 |
| Xip | It's over | 01:28 |
| LjL | show me the data that say we've all got it, because all i have is evidence asymptomatic people are maybe 50% of positives | 01:28 |
| LjL | come the fuck to a Lombard hospital and ask them if it's over | 01:28 |
| Xip | LjL, You just want to have a big channel, it's over | 01:30 |
| LjL | Xip, ask me to be unquieted when you're feeling lucid again, please | 01:30 |
| xrogaan | It's the contrary, only a small amount of the population got the disease. It's worse than the contrary. | 01:32 |
| linext | amount of new cases went down again from yesterday | 01:32 |
| linext | in new jersey, usa | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 23:29 UTC: (news): Trump escalates tension with World Health Organization over coronavirus pandemic, repeats threat to withhold funding → https://is.gd/d0nZ0d | 01:33 |
| ynhof[m] | Lol that url is cherrypicked | 01:33 |
| xrogaan | https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-Europe-estimates-and-NPI-impact-30-03-2020.pdf | 01:33 |
| sydfast | I think a lot of people might have inhaled a tiny amount of the virus already | 01:34 |
| linext | https://www.state.nj.us/health/cd/topics/covid2019_dashboard.shtml | 01:34 |
| sydfast | I just don't know if that vaccinated them | 01:34 |
| xrogaan | That's idiotic. | 01:34 |
| sydfast | well, the real numbers are at least 20-50 times higher than the official numbers, can we agree on that? | 01:35 |
| xrogaan | sydfast: the countries where lots of people got exposed can be seen easily when you look at the amount of sick people in the population. The US is one of them. | 01:35 |
| sydfast | of people beeing infected (at least a tiny bit) | 01:35 |
| xrogaan | The numbers reported are done by the healthcare personnel. There are more cases in the wild since we don't test everybody, we are unable to test everybody. | 01:37 |
| sydfast | I'd consider that it's not about if you got exposed, but about the amount/virus load you got exposed to | 01:37 |
| LjL | i think it's probably less than 20-50x, but really, it depends on the country, and it's hard to tell. but even 50x, in most countries, would mean a small percentage of the population | 01:38 |
| xrogaan | However, most sane countries practice social distancing. Meaning that healthy people have a tendency to remain that may and not get exposed. | 01:38 |
| xrogaan | While the people you get the disease but do not get gravely ill gains immunity. | 01:38 |
| xrogaan | Read the paper (pdf) I linked. | 01:38 |
| LjL | sydfast, if you get exposed to a minuscule extent, it's not unlikely that you have no immune reaction either... i mean, there *could* be a viral load effect, but we have no idea right now if things are as you say | 01:38 |
| sydfast | I too think social distancing is very important, also no one should leave home without a mask | 01:38 |
| sydfast | at least in urban areas | 01:39 |
| xrogaan | Title is: Estimating the number of infections and the impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions on COVID-19 in 11 European countries | 01:39 |
| ynhof[m] | Some health organisations seem briefed to shape numbers by only testing cases in crit condition and misreporting probable cases, causing departmental proxy war/arms race | 01:39 |
| sydfast | https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3079049/big-pool-coronavirus-cases-going-undetected-german-researchers | 01:40 |
| sydfast | backed me up on my impression, that the real number of infections is at least 20x higher than official | 01:40 |
| sydfast | there are lots of papers that imply, that tiny virus loads may do, let's say interesting things in the body, maybe I'll compile a link list tomorrow on that topic | 01:42 |
| LjL | i find 20x reasonably likely. 50x maybe a bit on the high side | 01:43 |
| swift110 | yes i agree | 01:43 |
| LjL | but i am not ruling out numbers like those. i'm just saying, even 50x is not a lot in terms of "everyone having immunity" | 01:43 |
| xrogaan | « Many more deaths will be averted through ensuring that interventions remain in place until transmission drops to low levels. We estimate that, across all 11 countries between 7 and 43 million individuals have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 up to 28th March, representing between 1.88% and 11.43% of the population. » | 01:43 |
| sydfast | I have talked to a lot of people that live in urban areas in Germany.. so the following is just my observation, no official study | 01:44 |
| xrogaan | Read the paper, really. | 01:44 |
| sydfast | I heard a lot of people, really like over 50%, complaining about "an abnormal feeling" in the throat and the lungs during the past weeks | 01:46 |
| sydfast | some of them feel a little earlier out of breath when doing sports | 01:46 |
| eaxomar | sydfast that could very well be suggestion. | 01:47 |
| sydfast | yes that's what I thought as well | 01:47 |
| sydfast | I have that kind of a weird feeling in my lungs and my throat too | 01:47 |
| sydfast | for like 3-4 weeks already | 01:47 |
| sydfast | for quite some time, I figured it must be psychosomatic | 01:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:36 UTC: Global trade forecast to fall by up to a third amid Covid-19 pandemic – as it happened: Scientists predict UK will be worst-hit country in Europe; Trump threatens to stop WHO funding; global cases pass 1.4 million. This blog is now closed. → https://is.gd/6xC0rC | 01:48 |
| RougeR | watching this video really keeps my spirits up | 01:48 |
| RougeR | https://www.reddit.com/r/GhanaSaysGoodbye/comments/fwlklk/boris_volume_adjusted/ | 01:48 |
| RougeR | always brings a small to everyone i send it too | 01:48 |
| sydfast | or related to feelings of anxiety | 01:48 |
| RougeR | :) | 01:48 |
| sydfast | but, as I learned about more and more people stating the same slightly abnormal feeling in their throat and lungs, I began to wonder | 01:49 |
| eaxomar | What's the name of that fictional disease again? | 01:49 |
| eaxomar | morgellons? | 01:50 |
| eaxomar | Not making fun of you, but it could be the same kind of mass suggestion. | 01:50 |
| eaxomar | I've been feeling a bit abnormal too to be honest. I'm still not sure about it. | 01:51 |
| sydfast | well many virologists agree that the initial virus load of SARS-CoV-2 inhaled does determine the severness of the illness | 01:51 |
| sydfast | a lot of us might have inhaled some tiny amounts hoovering in the air in supermarkets | 01:54 |
| sydfast | those who initially got sneezed in their face by an infected person.. | 01:54 |
| sydfast | end up in an ICU | 01:54 |
| sydfast | those who just inhaled a tiny tiny bit, just keep wondering whether there is some unusual feeling | 01:55 |
| sydfast | but they wouldn't really say that they feel ill | 01:55 |
| eaxomar | If that really is the case we should start doing controlled infection at once. | 01:56 |
| eaxomar | Ok maybe not at once, but that would become a viable possibility. | 01:56 |
| sydfast | I have no clue, as I'm not sure it's good to have a tiny amount in your lungs | 01:57 |
| sydfast | we don't know the long term effects of having a tiny amount | 01:58 |
| sydfast | we don't die within weeks, like a guy that has been sneezed on, ok | 01:58 |
| sydfast | but what happens in the long term? idk | 01:58 |
| eaxomar | The way this is going, we're all getting it anyways. | 01:59 |
| sydfast | nobody knows, I'm not even sure as there is a single person, who is "fully recovered", I mean does that mean he's 100% SARS-CoV-2 free? | 01:59 |
| sydfast | I think we call someone "recovered" that has no longer severe symptoms, and makes it hard to find the virus in his body | 02:00 |
| sydfast | but is it gone? | 02:00 |
| sydfast | maybe it works on some other organ, slowly | 02:01 |
| eaxomar | Not really qualified to say whether this is a probable scenario or not. | 02:02 |
| eaxomar | It's easy to get imaginative with these things. | 02:02 |
| LjL | it cannot be ruled out, as there has been some tentative evidence of neural involvement, and virus which hide in nerves can stay around life-long | 02:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:53 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: parliament passes $130bn Jobkeeper package and Ruby Princess raided – latest news: Scott Morrison has described the government’s economic stimulus package in response to the coronavirus crisis as ‘the biggest economic lifeline in Australia’s history’. Follow live → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 02:03 |
| sydfast | I wish we had more research done quick, cuz if we were to find out the virus is actually more persistant in one's body and more damaging in the long term (months or years) in many humans.. | 02:04 |
| sydfast | I think we would NOT accept for a lot more people to get infected, even with tiny amounts | 02:05 |
| eaxomar | Then we would be fucked. | 02:05 |
| sydfast | but as we don't know yet, what it is capable of in the long term, yeah, I'm afraid most people would accept even more severe restrictions when it comes to isolation etc | 02:06 |
| sydfast | eh.. would not accept | 02:06 |
| eaxomar | and pragmatically people still need to eat. we may put the world on hold mostly, but we need agriculture, power and transportation. | 02:08 |
| ecov | internet | 02:08 |
| sydfast | yes,.. that's true | 02:08 |
| ecov | ac/heating | 02:08 |
| ecov | janitors | 02:09 |
| ecov | plummers | 02:09 |
| eaxomar | is there an antibody test available already? that could simplify things. | 02:09 |
| sydfast | one thing my theory would imply is: we need a medicine quicker than a vaccine | 02:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3126 cases (now 1513174), +52 recoveries (now 329673) since 52 minutes ago — US: +1973 cases (now 429052) since 52 minutes ago — Quebec, Canada: +691 cases (now 10031) since a day ago | 02:09 |
| eaxomar | france is testing antibody transfer I hear. | 02:09 |
| xrogaan | We still aren't entirely certain that we can't be reinfected by the disease. | 02:10 |
| sydfast | there are antibody tests, so I've heard, but I didn't find data on what they brought to light so far | 02:10 |
| sydfast | many antibody tests out there are very unprecise, they also come back positive if you had any flu or influenza recently | 02:11 |
| sydfast | maybe that is holding up the process | 02:11 |
| sydfast | holding back... O | 02:11 |
| eaxomar | yeah not helpful | 02:11 |
| sydfast | I'm not a native speaker | 02:12 |
| sydfast | so.. how about all of you, anyone got a slightly abnormal feeling in their lungs, chest, throat..? | 02:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:07 UTC: (news): Trump escalates tension with World Health Organization over coronavirus pandemic, repeats threat to withhold funding → https://is.gd/d0nZ0d | 02:13 |
| sydfast | maybe for weeks already, never felt really sick, but keeps wondering whether everything is 100% normal | 02:14 |
| eaxomar | yes. but I had that before. I just didn't think about it until recently. | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if there's any explanation why lockdown is(?) effective on top of social distancing | 02:14 |
| sydfast | I think it is clear that an infected person, especially a freshly and strongly infected person breathes out high amounts of the virus with every breath they take | 02:15 |
| sydfast | .. days before they realize symptoms | 02:16 |
| sydfast | they checked a hospital room of a covid19 person for traces of the virus | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xrogaan: >>We still aren't entirely certain<< well, but pretty much, like 95%. There been done tests on apes | 02:16 |
| sydfast | it was everywhere, on the floor, walls, ceiling, everything was covered with the rna | 02:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:10 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: parliament passes $130bn Jobkeeper package and Ruby Princess raided – latest news: Scott Morrison has described the government’s economic stimulus package in response to the coronavirus crisis as ‘the biggest economic lifeline in Australia’s history’. Follow live → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 02:18 |
| xrogaan | LjL: idea to avoid duplicates with Brainstorm: keep an arbitrary amount of titles in cache and ignore any new article with that same title. | 02:20 |
| sydfast | this is how to protect from the virus, if you ask me, they are the only ones doin it right | 02:20 |
| sydfast | https://nypost.com/2020/04/01/how-an-italian-hospital-protects-its-medical-workers-from-coronavirus/ | 02:20 |
| eaxomar | really need to catch some sleep, take care all | 02:21 |
| sydfast | I think, if we cannot seal the doors of all people's home, it would be a win if we open up all windows in the world | 02:22 |
| swift110 | yeah | 02:23 |
| sydfast | I wish there'd be open air supermarkets, on huge fields, lots of space %) | 02:24 |
| sydfast | but for now.. I really hope this weird feeling in my lungs and the lungs of so many of my friends are psychosomatic.. but I'm afraid we all have that virus a tiny little bit | 02:27 |
| sydfast | it gets better and worse over days.. but it has not really vanished for weeks now | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "a little bit of virus" is like "a little bit of pregnant" | 02:28 |
| sydfast | oh no it's not, the initial virus load is one of many decisive factors determining how severely ill you will become | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, citation needed | 02:30 |
| lf94 | lmfao. | 02:30 |
| lf94 | a little bit of pregnant... | 02:30 |
| tinwhiskers | I've heard the same but I'm a bit surprised it makes *that* much difference. It's often attributed as the reason why the fatality rate among health workers is so high, but I don't think it stacks up. | 02:31 |
| PlanckWalk | Health workers can get thousands of times as much | 02:31 |
| tinwhiskers | why would they suddenly get a huge dose but manage to get no dose prior to that? | 02:32 |
| Xip | It's kinda funny how you could lock people down like this.. almost a proof that climate change is bullshit. | 02:32 |
| tinwhiskers | huh? | 02:32 |
| Xip | "Climate change, we are going to die!!!" | 02:33 |
| tinwhiskers | huh? | 02:33 |
| PlanckWalk | Pretty easily. E.g. intubation is a pretty violent procedure that can spray all sorts of lung gunk, dislodge masks, and so on. | 02:33 |
| sydfast | there are other factors as well, every immunesystem responds different, smoker's lungs cannot manage to get rid of the virus, etc | 02:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:28 UTC: White House officials see 'real evidence' that coronvirus mitigation efforts are slowing outbreak, even as some states struggle: Birx said the New York metropolitan area, which includes Northern New Jersey, Connecticut and Rhode Island, is still reporting roughly 11,000 new cases a day and that about 40% of all [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/cwAjNy | 02:34 |
| Xip | No I just had some chats with good friends.. and I've outed myself as a Swede right. I told you all in the beginning of this whole thing | 02:34 |
| PlanckWalk | Or so I read | 02:34 |
| Xip | It's a scam | 02:34 |
| Xip | To take away your freedom | 02:34 |
| tinwhiskers | erm | 02:34 |
| Xip | How dare you? | 02:34 |
| Xip | Why is Sweden open? | 02:35 |
| nb | %data indiana | 02:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New York, US: +1855 cases (now 151171) since 32 minutes ago — World: +1204 cases (now 1514378) since 30 minutes ago — US: +1158 cases (now 430210) since 32 minutes ago | 02:35 |
| Brainstorm | nb: In Indiana, US, there are 5943 cases, 203 deaths (3.4% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 30 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 02:35 |
| Xip | Yet every country is in lock down | 02:35 |
| tinwhiskers | maybe you should be in ##coronavirus-vox? that's the right place for conspiracy theories | 02:35 |
| Xip | I'll tell you why | 02:35 |
| Xip | Science | 02:35 |
| Xip | No no, this is not a conspiracy theory, this is science | 02:35 |
| Xip | Control group, you need one | 02:35 |
| Xip | That's what WHO does and that's why Sweden is there, in the open | 02:36 |
| PlanckWalk | It won't be a control group for long | 02:36 |
| swift110 | %data district of columbia | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | swift110: In District Of Columbia, US, there are 1440 cases, 27 deaths (1.9% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 12 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=District%20Of%20Columbia for time series data. | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if 3 days after infection you produced and start spreading so massive amounts of virus to infect others while you develop symptoms after 5 days, it's not quite plausible how the initial dose of virus you caught would make a difference after day 3. Either you get sick or you don't | 02:36 |
| ecov | sweden is woke as fuck | 02:36 |
| swift110 | %data maryland | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | swift110: In Maryland, US, there are 5529 cases, 124 deaths (2.2% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 31 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 02:36 |
| tinwhiskers | DocScrutinizer05: yeah. it seems a bit weird | 02:36 |
| PlanckWalk | Yes, in most cases I expect initial viral does to be irrelevant (past some threshold) | 02:37 |
| PlanckWalk | dose* | 02:37 |
| swift110 | wow' | 02:37 |
| swift110 | %data virginia | 02:37 |
| Brainstorm | swift110: In Virginia, US, there are 3645 cases, 75 deaths (2.1% of cases), 0 recoveries as of 32 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 02:37 |
| Xip | So when this is all over.. Sweden, remember this country, it's a small country | 02:37 |
| Xip | It has a lot to do with UN | 02:37 |
| sydfast | DocScrutinizer05: tinwhiskers: I know, it was weird to me too, but I read it all the time now | 02:38 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, same | 02:38 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm sceptical of that anyway | 02:38 |
| Xip | Read some history about UN and Sweden and the relationship | 02:38 |
| tinwhiskers | Xip: seriously, I think you should take that to -vox | 02:39 |
| Xip | I'm okay with LjL, he went to bed | 02:39 |
| sydfast | I'm already in bed, reading this on my tv screen, not in the mood to dig up citations, but I'll get back to you tomorrow | 02:39 |
| Xip | I can say whatever I want | 02:39 |
| tinwhiskers | no, you can't | 02:39 |
| Xip | No? | 02:39 |
| PlanckWalk | The virus replicates within the body quite fast, so moderate factors differences in dose get wiped out within fairly short timeframes | 02:39 |
| sydfast | tinwhiskers: you are right %) sry | 02:39 |
| Xip | I'm not going to be the one that spreads disinformation | 02:40 |
| PlanckWalk | I suspect that huge factors might not behave the same way, but it's all still speculation so far. | 02:40 |
| sydfast | PlanckWalk: big news magazines cite doctors saying otherwise | 02:40 |
| Xip | What I am saying is this, read history and understand the relationship with UN and Sweden and why Swdeden is open | 02:40 |
| Xip | And maybe you will get the nobel prize | 02:41 |
| tinwhiskers | ok. thanks Xip | 02:41 |
| Xip | Sweden will come out of this as the best country etc. as tey always do | 02:41 |
| Xip | And then they will give you the solution | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | long and intensive contact to contagious persons may allow the virus to move right to the lungs and start disease there, instead of the usual start in throat with consequential infection of lung | 02:41 |
| tinwhiskers | DocScrutinizer05: interesting theory | 02:42 |
| Xip | This virus is not that dangerous | 02:42 |
| tinwhiskers | raise it with LjL Xip | 02:42 |
| ubLIX | DocScrutinizer05: multiple initiating colonies, anyway; and if modes of infection are a differentiating factors, opportunity to hit every mode | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a more medical-scientific way to say it :-) | 02:44 |
| lf94 | arewecuredyet.com | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the virus is known to move fromn throat to lungs after a week or so, that's why tests in throat start getting difficult when done late | 02:45 |
| PlanckWalk | Aww. I was expecting a static page that said "NO" | 02:45 |
| tinwhiskers | :-) | 02:45 |
| lf94 | PlanckWalk: Tricked B))) | 02:45 |
| lf94 | PlanckWalk: don't tell anyone what it REALLY says | 02:45 |
| lf94 | (lol) | 02:46 |
| sydfast | "viral inoculum size (initial viral load) is the major determinant of survival or death in vitro" | 02:46 |
| sydfast | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.02.973958v1.full | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ta | 02:46 |
| sydfast | DocScrutinizer05: it's not a very good source, but it gets you started with the topic of "initial virus load" | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, preprint. I'm not savvy to judge if it's part of the 90% rubbish or the 10% relevant preprint publications | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drosten even | 02:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 00:42 UTC: Coronavirus pressures 'put organ transplants at risk': The coronavirus epidemic is threatening the UK's organ transplant programme, experts warn. → https://is.gd/vPBBDM | 02:49 |
| sydfast | DocScrutinizer05: if you speak German here is one more doctor stating the importance of the initial virus load | 02:50 |
| sydfast | https://www.focus.de/gesundheit/news/drei-entscheidende-faktoren-ab-tag-5-kann-sich-zustand-verschlechtern-was-ueber-schweren-corona-verlauf-entscheidet_id_11864635.html | 02:50 |
| sydfast | I know.. it's only focus.de - but still, prooves I'm not a lone lunatic %) | 02:51 |
| sydfast | google-translate: "Viral load: The viral load should also be heard, including how many pathogens are in the body. "If there are only a few pathogens heard, the body can intercept these local and form antibodies," explains the pneumologist. The behavior is straightforward." | 02:53 |
| sydfast | "“However, if an infected person sneezes in your face, you immediately inhale an extremely high amount of virus. And they can overrun even the best immune system. ”Mouth guards could help to prevent the transmission of a large viral load through direct sneezing or coughing." | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sydfast: many thanks! | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think the throat vs lungs explanation is plausible enough to keep an eye on that | 02:55 |
| ubLIX | hmm. in a medical setting, intubation/venitlation can be an aerosolising procedure (hence easier access to lungs), whereas in the wild, droplet infection shouldn't get to the lungs so readily | 02:57 |
| tinwhiskers | hmm | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however the simple mouth guard masks are particularly ineffective to stop small droplet aerosol (<5um? somesuch) which is exactly the droplet size that may move right into your lungs, but also the aerosol type where droplets don't fly kinetically for a meter or two and instead dry quickly and thus inactivate the virus. IOW for this "dangerous" aerosol a mouth guard wouldn't help much, but distancing will | 03:00 |
| Jo-Anna | Most Masks are a placebo. The only thing they do for certain is make it more difficult to breathe | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ao IF you catch the corona despite wearing a mask, it's more likely you get a severe form | 03:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more and more plausible | 03:04 |
| tinwhiskers | Jo-Anna: that's untrue. While masks don't protect a person very well from becoming infected they do prevent an infected person from spreading the virus quite well | 03:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:53 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: parliament passes $130bn jobkeeper package and Ruby Princess raided – latest news → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 03:04 |
| Jo-Anna | As you walk around all sorts of germs are getting in your eyes all the time :) | 03:04 |
| tinwhiskers | they are not a placebo. If everyone wears a mask it can potentially make quite a difference to the speed of spread. | 03:04 |
| Jo-Anna | Well maybe but I doubt all the people wearing masks are sick.. | 03:05 |
| tinwhiskers | Jo-Anna: again, you're referring to protecting the wearer from becoming infected as opposed to preventing spread *from* an infected person. | 03:05 |
| tinwhiskers | Hopefully the people wearing masks are doing so simply because they don't know whether they are sick or not | 03:05 |
| Jo-Anna | So they keep germs in but not out ? | 03:06 |
| tinwhiskers | right | 03:06 |
| tinwhiskers | If you go back to the original info from the WHO, CDC etc. they even said this back then | 03:06 |
| nb | Jo-Anna, i've heard people recommending that people with glasses/contacts wear glasses | 03:06 |
| Jo-Anna | I think the damage from the hysteria and people losing their livelihoods is the biggest thing to fear | 03:07 |
| jacklsw | i also stop wearing contacts since quarantine | 03:08 |
| ubLIX | DocScrutinizer05: "instead dry quickly and thus inactivate the virus" | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v2 - this paper, by experimentally aerosolising sars-2, claimed to show viability in aerosols >180 minutes; not quick for a crowded indoor context | 03:12 |
| Jo-Anna | One thing I’ve noticed recently which is good is people are opening windows on trains more when they are able to | 03:13 |
| tinwhiskers | that's a good plan :-) | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ubLIX: what do they test? | 03:17 |
| ubLIX | "HCoV-19 nCoV-WA1-2020 (MN985325.1)13 and SARS-CoV-1 Tor2 (AY274119.3)14 were the strains used in our comparison." | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | note that RNA proof != "working" virus proof | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:09 UTC: Hopes for at-home finger-prick coronavirus test dashed after accuracy is questioned: Initial optimism was dented this week after leading British scientists revealed that none of the tests they had tried so far were accurate enough to be of any use, NBC News reports. → https://is.gd/Uzd4gm | 03:19 |
| tinwhiskers | dang | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drosten estimated "danger" duration of aerosols "a max 10 to 20 minutes" | 03:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not exactly sure on *why* the aerosol gets "inactive" after that time | 03:21 |
| Jo-Anna | tinwhiskers: what country are you from ? | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>none of the tests<< that's sorta old news to me. Strange | 03:22 |
| adventurer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5OTBhdRt5I | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thought they already worked to improve those tests | 03:23 |
| ubLIX | Drosten published in English? | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3852 cases (now 1518230), +224 recoveries (now 329944) since an hour ago — US: +3852 cases (now 434062), +224 recoveries (now 22580) since an hour ago — Texas, US: +336 cases (now 9823) since an hour ago | 03:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I listen to his german podcasts. I guess when he publishes anything he does in english | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the poscasts have german transscripts, you might use google translate on them | 03:26 |
| tinwhiskers | Jo-Anna: I live in Tonga | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pod* | 03:26 |
| ubLIX | i'll just throw away this remark: the paper i linked above made NO claim that sars-2 is naturally aerosolised; just that IF it was, then ... etc | 03:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | preprint :-) | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the "90% rubbish 10% relevant" is a quote of Drosten | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he seems to read and evaluate a few dozen of those every day | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and cites the relevant ones | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:24 UTC: US says mitigation efforts are working, raising hopes of defying worst case scenario: White House coronavirus response coordinator says there is cautious optimism that the country can defeat projected death tolls → https://is.gd/mVcag1 | 03:34 |
| Jo-Anna | How are things doing in Tonga ? | 03:35 |
| tinwhiskers | Jo-Anna: very quiet. we're in our second week of lockdown despite no confirmed cases. | 03:38 |
| tinwhiskers | Either the government has no idea what they are doing and have just locked down because everyone else has (no idea is the default assumption here) or they have locked down immediately following border closure to flush out any potential cases with a view to eradicating the virus from the population. I find it so hard to believe this government is capable of such a ground-breaking move that I think it's just blind following and plain dumb | 03:42 |
| tinwhiskers | luck. | 03:42 |
| Jo-Anna | tinwhiskers: if nobody can come to an island then house arrest for whole island seems kind of hysterical | 03:44 |
| tinwhiskers | heh. yeah. | 03:44 |
| Birosso | For political reasons maybe? | 03:44 |
| tinwhiskers | but the fact is if the virus gets here, there is no critical care capability so it's worth taking extraordinary steps to prevent it | 03:45 |
| Jo-Anna | I’m very worried about the millions of people who have lost their jobs and will starve to death | 03:45 |
| swift110 | I lost my job and I'm upset about it | 03:45 |
| tinwhiskers | I see a possible near-future where we are one of the only countries with complete freedom of movement | 03:45 |
| swift110 | tinwhiskers, where r u | 03:45 |
| tinwhiskers | swift110: Tonga | 03:45 |
| swift110 | oh tonga thats cool | 03:45 |
| swift110 | thank goodness | 03:46 |
| Jo-Anna | tinwhiskers: what industries do you have there ? Fishing? Tourism? | 03:46 |
| swift110 | It amazes me how this crap has spread all over the world | 03:46 |
| Birosso | swift110: Why? | 03:46 |
| swift110 | becuase people were travelling when they really shouldnt have | 03:46 |
| tinwhiskers | Tourism is the only industry. While there is fishing and cropping that's subsistence. | 03:46 |
| swift110 | they still are to be honest | 03:46 |
| tinwhiskers | Tourism is dead here obviously | 03:46 |
| swift110 | I read about people that wanted to see their parents in Texas and flew over to see them but its best to wait till this thing goes away before you do things like that | 03:47 |
| tinwhiskers | The whales will be very pleased this year to not be harassed | 03:47 |
| Jo-Anna | It amazes me how people get so hysterical isn’t there an old phrase .. don’t throw the baby out with the bath water .. | 03:47 |
| Jo-Anna | tinwhiskers: can your little island provide for itself indefinitely? | 03:49 |
| swift110 | agreed tinwhiskers | 03:49 |
| tinwhiskers | There's another phrase, "ignorance is bliss". | 03:49 |
| Birosso | Is life fun on your island? | 03:50 |
| Birosso | IS IT? | 03:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 39 new cases, the lowest daily increase since late February → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 03:50 |
| Birosso | %cases Germany | 03:50 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In all areas, Germany, there are 113296 cases, 2349 deaths (2.1% of cases), 46300 recoveries as of 6 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.7% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). | 03:50 |
| ynhof[m] | %cases New Zealand | 03:51 |
| Brainstorm | ynhof[m]: In all areas, New Zealand, there are 1210 cases, 1 deaths (0.1% of cases), 282 recoveries as of 7 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=New%20Zealand for time series data. | 03:51 |
| Jo-Anna | tinwhiskers: i agree. I wish I could avoid knowing about this. It’s very disturbing and distracting. And there is nothing I can do to stop it. | 03:51 |
| tinwhiskers | true. it is hard sitting at home powerless. | 03:52 |
| Chromanin | %cases Lebanon | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Chromanin: In all areas, Lebanon, there are 576 cases, 19 deaths (3.3% of cases), 62 recoveries as of 8 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Lebanon for time series data. | 03:52 |
| tinwhiskers | One thing you can do is make masks. Get old clothes and turn them into masks. Empower yourself to save lives. #Masks4All | 03:52 |
| ynhof[m] | I am too scared to look at the distribution of infections over time for Michigan now | 03:53 |
| Birosso | %cases Michigan | 03:55 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In Michigan, US, there are 20346 cases, 959 deaths (4.7% of cases), 0 recoveries as of an hour ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 03:55 |
| tinwhiskers | https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Michigan | 03:56 |
| Jo-Anna | I don’t want to sound mean but I’m not going to wear a mask for the rest of my life and neither should anyone else | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "God, please give me the power to fix the problems I may fix, the patience to endure those I can't change, and the wisdom to distinguish between those two" | 03:58 |
| tinwhiskers | ynhof[m]: on the positive side of things, a week ago it looked like Michigan was going to be far worse than many other states but it no longer looks that way; if only by virtue of the fact a lot of other states have got a lot worse. | 03:58 |
| tinwhiskers | Jo-Anna: you don't need to wear a mask for the rest of your life. That's a terrible exaggeration! | 03:59 |
| Jo-Anna | I would rather get every germ that comes along than never be able to see other people’s faces for the rest of my life | 04:00 |
| tinwhiskers | In Japan if you are sick it's considered terribly rude to not wear a mask and be breathing and coughing on people. If doing that can kill someone it's more than just rude. Wear a damn mask. | 04:00 |
| Jo-Anna | I see no end in sight | 04:00 |
| Jo-Anna | I’m not sick | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you don't know | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless you already were | 04:01 |
| tinwhiskers | you don't know that. everyone is potentially sick for 2-14 days before showing symptoms/ | 04:01 |
| Jo-Anna | Maybe I’m a witch and secretly fly around on broomstick when nobody’s looking :) | 04:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more like 3-7 afaik | 04:02 |
| Birosso | %cases new york | 04:02 |
| Brainstorm | Birosso: In New York, US, there are 151171 cases, 6268 deaths (4.1% of cases), 0 recoveries as of an hour ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 04:02 |
| tinwhiskers | this will come to an end in 18 months if not sooner. It's disgusting to think you shoul dfeel free to go around coughing on people and just not care about others. | 04:02 |
| Jo-Anna | Sick people should stay home and rest | 04:03 |
| tinwhiskers | it's time to start thinking about not infecting others, and stop just thinking about protecting yourself, because if we all do that we all protect each other. | 04:03 |
| tinwhiskers | you don't know if you're sick! | 04:03 |
| Birosso | You don't know if you are *infected. | 04:03 |
| Jo-Anna | If I don’t know I’m sick who would know ? | 04:03 |
| Birosso | HE MEANT INFECTED! | 04:03 |
| Birosso | YES, I ASSUMED GENDER! | 04:03 |
| tinwhiskers | nobody knows, that's why everyone should wear a mask | 04:04 |
| Jo-Anna | Forever :) | 04:04 |
| Birosso | Not forever. | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh please!!! | 04:04 |
| tinwhiskers | no, until the virus has stopped spreading | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which it either when we reach herd immunity or we got a vaccine | 04:04 |
| tinwhiskers | possibly that won't be until we get a vaccine, possibly we will have a management plan that will allow before we get a vaccine | 04:05 |
| Birosso | Humanity has had deadly pandemics before. You didn't see people wearing masks in 2019 beacuse of the Spanish Flu. | 04:05 |
| Jo-Anna | Better keep wearing the masks just to be safe especially on hot summer days :) | 04:05 |
| tinwhiskers | Jo-Anna: straw man | 04:05 |
| LjL | Birosso, lol, what? | 04:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:53 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: parliament passes $130bn jobkeeper package and Ruby Princess raided – latest news → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 04:05 |
| tinwhiskers | you wear a mask because you shouldn't be allowing yourself to potentially kill other people | 04:05 |
| Birosso | LjL WHAT? | 04:05 |
| Birosso | Come at me! | 04:05 |
| LjL | Birosso, Japan is pretty much wearing masks now... because of the Spanish flu | 04:05 |
| Birosso | They are? | 04:06 |
| Birosso | Why? | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: Birosso is 100% right | 04:06 |
| LjL | Birosso, their "face mask culture" started there | 04:06 |
| Jo-Anna | Wow :) | 04:06 |
| LjL | no, he is not, he is technically wrong | 04:06 |
| Birosso | Okay, that's, that's, that's... | 04:06 |
| Birosso | I hate you. | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh :-D | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 04:06 |
| LjL | they suddenly had a lot of deaths from the spanish flu, the government told them to wear masks | 04:06 |
| Birosso | Replace with plague. | 04:06 |
| Birosso | Problem solved. | 04:06 |
| LjL | and to stay far from each other | 04:06 |
| LjL | (if that is reminding of anything) | 04:07 |
| Birosso | REPLACE WITH PLAGUE. | 04:07 |
| LjL | and then after that ended, they also got allergies and pollution, so they just kept using the masks | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fix your capslock! | 04:07 |
| LjL | Birosso, that's because masks didn't exist at the time of the plague, and if they had, they'd have been useless | 04:07 |
| Birosso | LjL | 04:07 |
| Birosso | Give OP. | 04:08 |
| LjL | Birosso, you know you love to hate it when i'm right | 04:08 |
| Birosso | My capslock is remapped to backspace, actually. I have no capslock. | 04:08 |
| Birosso | I hold shift, like real men. | 04:08 |
| Thespen_ | https://en.mogaznews.com/World-News/1483232/Countries-where-public-face-mask-wearing-is-advised-have-lower-rates-of-.html | 04:08 |
| Jo-Anna | The Spanish flu wasn’t from Spain it started on a military base with a pig farm and highly vaccinated soldiers in USA | 04:08 |
| Jo-Anna | The reason japan has less cases is they don’t test for coronavirus very much | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1353 cases (now 1519583), +437 recoveries (now 330381) since 51 minutes ago — US: +865 cases (now 434927), +311 recoveries (now 22891) since 51 minutes ago — Pennsylvania, US: +504 cases (now 16743) since 51 minutes ago | 04:10 |
| metreo | It's not necessarily true that the flu originated in America | 04:10 |
| metreo | We know very little about the specific strains involved | 04:10 |
| ynhof[m] | Tinwhiskers I have a feeling that neighbouring states getting worse only soils the east further, but it is a nice virtue hehe | 04:11 |
| ynhof[m] | I supppse yes, it could be worse | 04:13 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, it's kind of an off-silver lining | 04:13 |
| tinwhiskers | the gray-lining, lets say | 04:13 |
| LjL | close | 04:16 |
| Birosso | I don't care anymore. | 04:16 |
| ynhof[m] | Haha | 04:16 |
| Birosso | Ignore any PMs this person has sent you, folks. | 04:16 |
| Birosso | Undoing? Wow, really? | 04:17 |
| LjL | Birosso, well maybe if they had been real bans i'd have kept them! | 04:17 |
| Birosso | Keep them anyway! | 04:17 |
| Birosso | They're just items on a list! | 04:17 |
| Birosso | Harmless. | 04:17 |
| LjL | a list with a limit of 300 items | 04:17 |
| LjL | (or less... don't remember) | 04:17 |
| LjL | (it's probably onlt 300 with +L) | 04:18 |
| Birosso | Hopefully this virus won't be around long enough for us to reach that number. | 04:18 |
| tinwhiskers | Birosso++ | 04:18 |
| Birosso | 300 is a lot anywhere anyway, unless you're getting botted maybe. | 04:18 |
| LjL | Birosso, well, for some reason i've mostly quieted instead of banned on this channel, but same difference, the limit is still there: type /mode ##covid-19 q | 04:18 |
| Birosso | Why *have* you quieted instead of banned, mostly? | 04:19 |
| LjL | i think it's less than 300, that was what we could get in #ubuntu because it was +L (which can only be set by staff) | 04:19 |
| Birosso | *squints | 04:19 |
| LjL | Birosso, well the rationalized reason is that this thing is too important to deny information even to trolls | 04:20 |
| LjL | the real reason is /cs quiet is easier than opping up and all that since i have no scripts set up | 04:20 |
| Birosso | Wow, that is actually very reasonable. | 04:20 |
| Birosso | I was not expecting a good reason. | 04:20 |
| Birosso | For whatever reason. | 04:20 |
| LjL | -t | 04:21 |
| Birosso | YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW /ME WORKS! | 04:21 |
| Birosso | Have you never role-played before? | 04:21 |
| LjL | i've used /me with people who went literally mad at me for using it the wrong way | 04:21 |
| LjL | but those people are, i believe the technical term is, bonkers | 04:21 |
| Birosso | LIKE ME RIGHT NOW?! | 04:21 |
| Birosso | Wait, *am* I bonkers? | 04:22 |
| LjL | no, you're just yelling like an italian in pretend-rage | 04:22 |
| Birosso | "Pretend-rage." | 04:22 |
| ynhof[m] | No you a cheese caeke | 04:22 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: has your daylight savings just changed? | 04:22 |
| Birosso | You can be so difficult sometimes... | 04:22 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, not "just", but... couple weeks ago? | 04:22 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. ok | 04:22 |
| Birosso | Should go to bed. | 04:23 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, last year this nonsense has to happen, hopefully... unless the EUparl and/or commission cannot meet to make it go away | 04:23 |
| tinwhiskers | omg. sinner | 04:23 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm afraid I'm one of those fans of DST, but let's not get into that here :-) | 04:23 |
| LjL | parliament has voted to abolish it, but i trust they'll make a huge mess out of it and Italy will end up in a different timezone from Germany or some crap like that | 04:23 |
| ynhof[m] | *emits haarp radiation | 04:24 |
| Birosso | Are Matrix users unable to do /me? | 04:24 |
| LjL | no | 04:24 |
| Birosso | Good. That would've been tragic. | 04:24 |
| Birosso | OH MY | 04:24 |
| Birosso | PLEASE! | 04:24 |
| tinwhiskers | oooh | 04:24 |
| Birosso | I'm going to bed. | 04:24 |
| LjL | Birosso, do it before you have to ban someone else and then i have to fix your failed bans | 04:24 |
| Birosso | This is making me genuinely angry. I could've gotten it right eventually if I had cared enough. | 04:25 |
| Birosso | I obviously didn't. | 04:25 |
| LjL | mhm | 04:25 |
| Birosso | This isn't binary-code programming. | 04:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like it or not, >>Spanish flu wasn’t from Spain it started on a military base in USA<< is what they tell in TV popular-science here | 04:25 |
| Birosso | STop it. | 04:25 |
| Birosso | That mhm is clearly passive aggressive. | 04:25 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, well, it *wasn't* from Spain | 04:25 |
| Birosso | Yaes, it wasn't. | 04:26 |
| LjL | where it was actually from, i won't go that far at guessing | 04:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 39 new cases, the lowest daily increase since late February → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 04:26 |
| stinkpot | https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-doctors-ventilators-virus-patients.html | 04:26 |
| LjL | sometimes i just don't know why Brainstorm sends these things twice. the title is identical. | 04:26 |
| Birosso | Not even a salutation. | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not guessing, I'm quoting allegedly approved stuff | 04:26 |
| Birosso | Just marches in and slams that link in our faces. | 04:26 |
| Birosso | Tsk. | 04:26 |
| ynhof[m] | <LjL "where it was actually from, i wo"> Instead of doing //me hmm, here is the sound | 04:27 |
| ynhof[m] | Oh well I can't work a matrix | 04:27 |
| Birosso | What did I just read? | 04:27 |
| Birosso | That's a very colourful sentence, ynhof[m]. | 04:27 |
| adventurer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E25cg8064vk | 04:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw good luck and much fun with clean ing a ACL with 300 entries | 04:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't see the reason for that ban anyway | 04:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:25 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: parliament passes $130bn jobkeeper package and Ruby Princess raided – latest news → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 04:36 |
| LjL | ACL? | 04:36 |
| LjL | the ACL has nothing to do with the banlist | 04:36 |
| LjL | the ban was because she PM'd requests to join other channels, i'd probably just have warned but Birosso wanted to do stuff and i just let him, partly because virtually everything i've seen from Jo-Anna in the past has been annoying | 04:37 |
| adventurer | https://twitter.com/7NewsAustralia/status/1248076980202786816?s=20 | 04:39 |
| LjL | some appetizers: <Jo-Anna> This whole virus thing is just a big distraction to round up the sheeple <Jo-Anna> What happens next? Sheeple will be fleeced of course <Jo-Anna> I see the coronavirus hysteria is alive and well | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, ok. thanks | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for me all those lists are ACLs, I'm prolly wrong on it | 04:42 |
| LjL | well, you're not wrong, they're a mess to clean up, that's why bigger channels generally end up having bots that manage them | 04:42 |
| LjL | others just unban everyone periodically | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rather, s/prolly// since it's a ircd mode thing, not a chanserv thing | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so technically ACL and extbans have nothing in common | 04:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | inrrelevant. nevermind | 04:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:39 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 39 new cases, the lowest daily increase since late February: Altogether, South Korea has reported 10,423 cases of infection and 204 people have succumbed to the illness caused by the virus, according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 04:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on some loosely topic-related news: corona.rki.de wroks again, database(?) fixed | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or N-1/N0 - N-1-d/N-d from RKI new cases, for d defaults to 7 adjustable | 05:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 03:01 UTC: ljl-covid: Add El Pais tracker for Spain → https://is.gd/U6iRuc | 05:06 |
| rurt91 | oh El Pais, that one chauvinist outlet | 05:07 |
| LjL | their map and graphs look decent, i don't care what their political view is at this time tbh | 05:07 |
| rurt91 | real coronavirus cases in spain are about 5 million anyway | 05:11 |
| rurt91 | so none of these graphs or maps accurately reflects anything | 05:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 03:07 UTC: Add MedicalXpress article "against" ventilators: even though I'm a bit suspicious it may be a way to justify lack of ventilators → https://is.gd/FW4kGL | 05:11 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Italy performed more than 50k tests in the last 24h, only 7.4% of them were positive. (10054 votes) | https://redd.it/fx9lto | 05:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:13 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: parliament passes $130bn jobkeeper package and Ruby Princess raided – latest news → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 05:22 |
| LjL | rurt91, none of the graphs in any nation whatsoever "accurately reflect anything" under that viewpoint. except, data still reflect what they factually reflect: such as confirmed positive cases. whether you or i are able to infer things that we find useful from that is another matter. | 05:22 |
| rurt91 | LjL: real infected in any country is far close to number of deaths * (100/0.3) than reported number | 05:23 |
| LjL | well, in which case, the reported number of deaths in those maps/graphs appears to be useful data that you can use to make inference. | 05:24 |
| rurt91 | LjL: ye i get you | 05:25 |
| rurt91 | why does everyone have an [m] after their name | 05:26 |
| ynhof[m] | Where datascience meets political massuering | 05:27 |
| rurt91 | !? | 05:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "[m]" like Matrix | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever matrix might be | 05:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway >> @gateway/shell/matrix.org/ << | 05:31 |
| Raf[m] | rurt91: we're in a clan | 05:32 |
| rurt91 | Raf[m]: what is the clan called | 05:32 |
| Raf[m] | just kidding, are you in IRC? if someone has an [m] after their name it means they're accessing the channel through matrix, not IRC | 05:33 |
| ynhof[m] | XD | 05:33 |
| rurt91 | Raf[m]: ye i know now after DocScrutinizer05 said | 05:34 |
| Raf[m] | I actually don't know which channels are IRC or matrix anymore... | 05:34 |
| danielp3344 | lol | 05:34 |
| tinwhiskers | [m] means they took the blue pill | 05:34 |
| Raf[m] | I think this is a matrix channel? | 05:34 |
| danielp3344 | it's both | 05:35 |
| ynhof[m] | If its a freenode matrix channel we have a scapegoat for our confusion | 05:36 |
| LjL | this is the ##covid-19 channel on freenode and the #covid-19:matrix.org room on matrix, bridged together by the usual matrix.org bridge | 05:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 03:35 UTC: worldnews: Trump turns angry and defensive as evidence contradicts his coronavirus narrative - CNNPolitics → https://is.gd/oC2Qou | 05:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:54 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 39 new cases, the lowest daily increase since late February: Altogether, South Korea has reported 10,423 cases of infection and 204 people have succumbed to the illness caused by the virus, according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 05:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:55 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: parliament passes $130bn jobkeeper package and Ruby Princess raided – latest news → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 06:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:07 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 39 new cases, the lowest daily increase since late February: Altogether, South Korea has reported 10,423 cases of infection and 204 people have succumbed to the illness caused by the virus, according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 06:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:13 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: education minister orders independent schools to reopen – latest news → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 06:22 |
| dissection | somewhere to peak spanish over covid-19?¿? | 06:23 |
| dissection | speake spanish¿? | 06:23 |
| tinwhiskers | "Tonga is one of 18 countries in the world that is CoViD-19 free after the Minister of Health announced yesterday the latest group of five people to be quarantined on suspicion of having Covid-19 had been cleared and released."... "[PCR] Laboratory machines worth TOP$137,000 which were used in New Zealand and the UK to test whether a patient has contacted the coronavirus were expected to start arriving in Tonga tomorrow April 8, the | 06:24 |
| tinwhiskers | Ministry of Health said. " | 06:24 |
| tinwhiskers | Amazing. Seems like luck may have smiled upon us. | 06:24 |
| yuriwho | wow molecular biology arrives in the north pacific | 06:27 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah :-) | 06:27 |
| euod[m] | I still don't understand why everybody rushed to go to their country of origin. | 06:33 |
| euod[m] | there's people talking about being bankrupt after paying for a massively expensive ticket to their birth country. why is that a thing people were trying to do. it seems crazy. | 06:33 |
| euod[m] | even if you were like, at the end of a visa. who the fuck cares. | 06:35 |
| euod[m] | "why'd you overstay" | 06:35 |
| euod[m] | "coronavirus" | 06:35 |
| euod[m] | "k" | 06:35 |
| tinwhiskers | there's all sorts of potential problems being a foreigner in a country in terms of health care. In many cases people were travelling in countries with much poorer health systems than their home country. I imagine there's a whole different range of problems if you die, but I guess people don't worry too much. It may be a lot of peace of mind too I guess | 06:35 |
| tinwhiskers | Our govt strongly encouraged us to go home and if the situation had allowed it we would have, but it just didn't work out that way for us | 06:36 |
| confe | so strange you covid was able to spread to every corner of the world in such small amout of time! | 06:37 |
| euod[m] | you're introducing yourself to a whole world of risk by traveling. | 06:37 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, very true | 06:37 |
| euod[m] | literally hundreds of millions of people traveling to 'get home' made things even worse. | 06:37 |
| tinwhiskers | our govt has arranged a flight from the mainland back to NZ next week but there are no internal flights anyway so we can't get to it. | 06:37 |
| tinwhiskers | if we did fly back home there would be 2 weeks of supervised compulsory quarantine in a govt facility. They are not taking many risks, but it woul dput me at risk. | 06:39 |
| confe | you should be able to take a test and be cleared for travel | 06:41 |
| tinwhiskers | you don't need to be cleared for travel. That's the worry! | 06:42 |
| tinwhiskers | you just need to take your chances | 06:42 |
| tinwhiskers | but yeah, if they tested everyone it would lower that risk a good deal | 06:43 |
| confe | it should even test people that other wise would not get tested willinglly | 06:44 |
| confe | or are tedt kits so hard to get? | 06:45 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah. there's always a chance you could get infected after the test or not yet be sufficiently positive for it to show, but it would mean that passengers are not infectious on the plane. They would still need to go into quarantine after arriving though. | 06:45 |
| tinwhiskers | well, even if [PCR] test kits are readily available they take a while to process and require access to a PCR machine so you are basically talking about needing a lab. | 06:46 |
| tinwhiskers | The antibody tests will be available very soon but probably won't catch people who are just infected (depending which antibodies they look for) | 06:47 |
| confe | just temperature screening would flag the vast majority of infectious people | 06:48 |
| tinwhiskers | still if you're looking for people who are actively shedding viruses there might be an appropriate antibody test soon | 06:48 |
| tinwhiskers | still, if you're doing emergency repatriation flights is it acceptable to decline people from taking the flight? | 06:49 |
| tinwhiskers | maybe just give everyone a mask and hope for the best | 06:49 |
| confe | since people with out simptomes are less likely to spread the virus | 06:50 |
| confe | give everyone a mask + emperature screening | 06:51 |
| confe | you should do good | 06:51 |
| tinwhiskers | what do you do with the people who have a temperature? abandon them? | 06:52 |
| confe | quarentine them inside the plane | 06:52 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 06:53 |
| confe | spearate from other passengers | 06:54 |
| confe | use other door for exit | 06:54 |
| confe | other bus | 06:55 |
| confe | so on... | 06:55 |
| tinwhiskers | so once we get some antibody tests that sort of screening will be possible | 06:55 |
| tinwhiskers | the first round of antibody tests have proved pretty unreliable though | 06:56 |
| confe | antibody tests? | 06:56 |
| confe | is that your agenda for today? | 06:57 |
| tinwhiskers | the tests that check if your body has created antibodies to the virus | 06:57 |
| tinwhiskers | the other test method is PCR but that requires a lab and can't be done on the spot | 06:57 |
| euod[m] | which, one can be assumed, would mean you're immune. | 06:57 |
| tinwhiskers | PCR tests directly for the presence of the virus | 06:57 |
| confe | if you have no temp you should be good to go | 06:58 |
| tinwhiskers | no | 06:58 |
| euod[m] | nope | 06:58 |
| tinwhiskers | people are infectious without having a temperature. that's the whole problem! | 06:58 |
| confe | just use the regular protections | 06:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:55 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 39 new cases, the lowest daily increase since late February: Altogether, South Korea has reported 10,423 cases of infection and 204 people have succumbed to the illness caused by the virus, according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 06:58 |
| euod[m] | and you have dickheads who know they're sick and take drugs to supress their symptoms. | 06:59 |
| tinwhiskers | true | 06:59 |
| confe | having a temperature makes you alot more prone to spread | 06:59 |
| tinwhiskers | yes | 06:59 |
| pyna | but prone is also a position | 06:59 |
| confe | you mean porn | 07:00 |
| tinwhiskers | ignoring the asymptomatic spread is why we've got into this situation though. | 07:01 |
| pyna | the porn firing position is a dark secret | 07:01 |
| confe | was it? | 07:01 |
| tinwhiskers | ... | 07:01 |
| confe | imo the use of cash had alot more to do with it | 07:03 |
| pyna | what sort of cash are we talking about here | 07:05 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, did you read the paper about covid-19 interfering with heme metabolism? that it binds the porphyrin and ejects the iron (which will normally carry oxygen) as free iron in the blood? | 07:06 |
| tinwhiskers | fltrz: nope | 07:08 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, should this not show up in "full" spectrum oximetry? | 07:08 |
| ynhof[m] | ^^Thats super interesting to know | 07:08 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, 2 secs I will link you | 07:08 |
| tinwhiskers | crikey. you need to ask yuriwho that question | 07:08 |
| fltrz | https://chemrxiv.org/articles/COVID-19_Disease_ORF8_and_Surface_Glycoprotein_Inhibit_Heme_Metabolism_by_Binding_to_Porphyrin/11938173/files/21961434.pdf | 07:09 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, I see your point. | 07:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:00 UTC: Domestic violence: UK domestic abuse helplines report surge in calls during lockdown → https://is.gd/Bm3Mow | 07:09 |
| tinwhiskers | You mean as a potential screening method? | 07:09 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, yep | 07:09 |
| tinwhiskers | neat | 07:09 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, so I think the stripped down 2 or 3 channel pulse oximeters may be giving slightly wrong readings too (!), but using more channels or a full spectrometer setup should show a difference, or at least thats what I *suspect* | 07:11 |
| tinwhiskers | funky | 07:11 |
| fltrz | this could even work for remote detection, by modulating the broadband light source, and correlating the spectrum light sensor readings, to reject background / ambient light | 07:12 |
| fltrz | so outwardly a similar device as those IR thermometers | 07:12 |
| tinwhiskers | make it so! | 07:12 |
| confe | infected people look red | 07:13 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, ... I don't have the resources... but any uni lab has compact USB spectrometer, so they could at least measure the molar absoprtion spectrum of non infected and infected blood | 07:13 |
| confe | like boris jhonson or thast guy from cnn | 07:14 |
| fltrz | confe, the spectrum is NIR/VIS red | 07:14 |
| fltrz | so our one red channel in our eyes is not really helpful for spectrometry | 07:15 |
| confe | mae its just cause of fever | 07:15 |
| tinwhiskers | make it so, number one! (?) | 07:15 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, I highly recommend reading the paper I linked, the "discussion" section is a good introduction, skip the methods sections on first reading | 07:16 |
| rurt91 | love star trek | 07:16 |
| confe | cap pickard | 07:16 |
| tinwhiskers | capn, we could cure it by modulating the broadband light source, and correlating the spectrum light sensor readings, to reject background / ambient light | 07:16 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, sorry, I have big gaping holes in my cultural knowledge, although I did enjoy star trek when I watched the first X seasons in a star trek marathon binge | 07:17 |
| fltrz | (my sister had bought a DVD box) | 07:17 |
| fltrz | my current interpretation is that it causes loss of functional heme for hemoglobin (hence anoxia) and also at least local iron overload in the blood, and probably the lungs too | 07:20 |
| fltrz | so we can't expect full equivalence to dietary iron overload, but we would expect symptoms to match up somewhat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_overload#Signs_and_symptoms | 07:21 |
| grxml0c | %data United States | 07:23 |
| Brainstorm | grxml0c: In all areas, US, there are 435128 cases, 14795 deaths (3.4% of cases), 22891 recoveries as of 12 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 07:23 |
| tinwhiskers | fltrz: well, that was certainly not a nice bit of light reading before dinner. | 07:23 |
| tinwhiskers | Interesting idea | 07:23 |
| fltrz | I'm not clear to which extent(s) covid-19 1) relies on the porphyrin materially 2) relies on the liberated iron materially or 3) relies on the resulting oxygen shortage (causing faster breathing and thus higher chances of ejecting particles?) | 07:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:16 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: education minister orders independent schools to reopen – latest news → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 07:24 |
| tinwhiskers | Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) is used as a noninvasive way to accurately estimate iron deposition levels in the liver as well as heart, joints, and pituitary gland | 07:24 |
| fltrz | I am also unable to draw any conclusions regarding dietary iron, we need those normal iron levels, and the virus is transforming those iron levels into a local iron overload :( | 07:25 |
| fltrz | so I can't say ingest more, normal, or less iron... | 07:25 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, thats a good point! | 07:26 |
| fltrz | they should MRI a covid patients in different stages and compare iron concentrations in blood, lungs, ... with those in healthy person... | 07:27 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, but iron deposition may take longer than it takes to die | 07:27 |
| fltrz | :( | 07:28 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 07:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:16 UTC: (news): Demand for telemedicine has exploded in the UK as doctors adapt to the coronavirus crisis → https://is.gd/dQbqaF | 07:29 |
| fltrz | I was thinking of a 8x8 or 16x16 grid of those tiny tiny surface mount LEDs, each of a different wavelength, and then sensing with a single photodiode | 07:29 |
| fltrz | that should be cheap as fuck, no grating, just PCB with parts | 07:30 |
| tinwhiskers | I thought you meant by using a pulse oximeter. | 07:30 |
| fltrz | 8x8 would give 64 channel spectrum | 07:30 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh. ok. How many channels in a typical pulse oximeter? | 07:30 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, yeah kind of recreate pulse oximeter but with more wavelengths | 07:30 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, 2 | 07:30 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 07:30 |
| fltrz | the ones that also measure CO have 3 or perhaps more | 07:31 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Himalayas visible for first time in 30 years as pollution levels in India drop (10068 votes) | https://redd.it/fxch0f | 07:31 |
| tinwhiskers | I see | 07:31 |
| fltrz | historically oximeters used more channels, but that was before optimizing to find the ideal pair of wavelengths etc | 07:31 |
| tinwhiskers | So we're not going to be measuring using mobile phone camera pulse oximeters? :-) | 07:32 |
| fltrz | don't think so | 07:32 |
| fltrz | but perhaps small analog circuit board with audio out | 07:32 |
| fltrz | read with an app | 07:32 |
| fltrz | but before that someone at a university should measure blood spectra of covid vs non covid patients | 07:34 |
| fltrz | its not rocket science | 07:34 |
| tinwhiskers | that would be a good test for sure | 07:34 |
| fltrz | I wouldn't be surprised if their more complete blood analysis equipment already measures the spectrum, but just pretty prints the oxygen, CO2, ... saturations and other blood analytes; if so then the manufacturer should be able to simply patch the software to display a full spectrum | 07:36 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm | 07:37 |
| fltrz | and export it | 07:37 |
| fltrz | I mean the blood analysis equipment at a hospital | 07:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:30 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: education minister orders independent schools to reopen – latest news → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 07:40 |
| ynhof[m] | That poryphryn document just finished downloading for me.(thanks for sharing it) | 07:43 |
| fltrz | ynhof[m], you must have some real slow internet | 07:43 |
| tinwhiskers | Have I just met someone with slower internet that me? | 07:43 |
| tinwhiskers | *than me | 07:43 |
| tinwhiskers | Are you on a sat link in the middle of the ocean? | 07:44 |
| fltrz | tinwhiskers, no he is probably the safest subpopulation: in a submarine | 07:44 |
| fltrz | VLF | 07:45 |
| ynhof[m] | Lol its just powered by the camera leaking tensorflow detections. Gotta point it at body parts and downloads creep out of the KB/s range | 07:45 |
| tinwhiskers | ... subpopulation... lols | 07:45 |
| fltrz | ynhof[m], you pay your ISP with porn? | 07:46 |
| ynhof[m] | Yes, and get humiliated when I watch it | 07:47 |
| fltrz | :( | 07:47 |
| ynhof[m] | Xd | 07:47 |
| ynhof[m] | I like the dominance of my isp | 07:48 |
| tinwhiskers | Everyone with AT&T is some sort of masochist | 07:49 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: NYC coronavirus death toll should include those dying at home without diagnosis: de Blasio (10008 votes) | https://redd.it/fx71fs | 07:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:51 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New cases in Germany jump by nearly 5,000: The number of new confirmed cases in Germany jumped by 4,974 in the past 24 hours to a total of 108,202, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 07:55 |
| fltrz | does anyone here work at a hospital? we should ask for a model number & manufacturer of such blood analysis equipment so we can ask the manufacturer | 07:59 |
| tinwhiskers | fltrz: you might be able to sweet talk someone on https://twitter.com/hashtag/medtwitter | 08:00 |
| fltrz | hmm, I don't have twitter, and I hate the javascriptness | 08:00 |
| fltrz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_analyser | 08:00 |
| ynhof[m] | I presume a simple blood oxygen finger devicr that uses interferometry to detect oxygen is not the desired outcome? | 08:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:00 UTC: 'You don't know who's touched what': the UK's coronavirus key workers: From Childline supervisors to police officers, the Guardian hears from non-health staff whose services are essential during the pandemic → https://is.gd/3FlhgQ | 08:10 |
| fltrz | ynhof[m], those finger sensors are pulse oximeters, they measure light absorption or reflection of 2 wavelengths, so not a full spectrum... we first need full spectrum measurements and can then use that to select a low number of wavelengths for detection | 08:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:14 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New cases in Germany jump by nearly 5,000: The number of new confirmed cases in Germany jumped by 4,974 in the past 24 hours to a total of 108,202, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 08:20 |
| msc386 | o/ | 08:22 |
| tinwhiskers | \o | 08:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:15 UTC: This chart shows which European countries are expected to have the highest coronavirus death tolls: Britain will be hit harder by the coronavirus crisis than any other European country, researchers have predicted, with the U.K. expected to see more than 60,000 deaths from COVID-19. → https://is.gd/qXanra | 08:26 |
| shang | covid-19 | 08:32 |
| msc386 | I | 08:33 |
| msc386 | I've been watching the numbers from Europe and Britain... | 08:34 |
| msc386 | They're getting hammered. | 08:34 |
| msc386 | :( | 08:34 |
| PlanckWalk | I haven't heard much in the news about Netherlands or Belgium. | 08:35 |
| PlanckWalk | But they're pretty high up in the leaderboard that nobody wants to be on top of. | 08:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:35 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New cases in Germany jump by nearly 5,000: The number of new confirmed cases in Germany jumped by 4,974 in the past 24 hours to a total of 108,202, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 08:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1036 cases (now 1520619), +92 deaths (now 88584), +524 recoveries (now 330905) since 4 hours ago — US: +233 cases (now 435160) since 4 hours ago — California, US: +233 cases (now 19063) since 4 hours ago | 08:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 06:37 UTC: worldnews: Japan to pay firms to leave China, relocate production elsewhere as part of coronavirus stimulus → https://is.gd/uUPSFj | 08:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:45 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: lockdown likely to be extended as Boris Johnson remains in hospital → https://is.gd/op40OP | 08:56 |
| fltrz | PlanckWalk, I'm in Belgium | 09:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 07:36 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Boris Johnson si sente meglio dopo 2 notti in terapia intensiva. → https://is.gd/MOU7T1 | 09:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:41 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New cases in Germany jump by nearly 5,000: The number of new confirmed cases in Germany jumped by 4,974 in the past 24 hours to a total of 108,202, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 09:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1546 cases (now 1522165), +216 recoveries (now 331121) since an hour ago — Russia: +1459 cases (now 10131), +118 recoveries (now 698) since an hour ago — Poland: +62 recoveries (now 284) since an hour ago | 09:50 |
| natureboy | hello | 09:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:50 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: education minister orders independent schools to reopen – latest news → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 09:57 |
| mefistofeles | hello natureboy | 09:58 |
| natureboy | asl pls | 09:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:09 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New cases in Germany jump by nearly 5,000: The number of new confirmed cases in Germany jumped by 4,974 in the past 24 hours to a total of 108,202, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 10:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:12 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New cases in Germany jump by nearly 5,000; Italy could ease lockdown soon: The number of new confirmed cases in Germany jumped by 4,974 in the past 24 hours to a total of 108,202, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 10:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:17 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: lockdown likely to be extended as Boris Johnson remains in hospital → https://is.gd/op40OP | 10:28 |
| suaefar[m] | https://github.com/suaefar/covid-19-deceased-prediction | 10:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:31 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New cases in Germany jump by nearly 5,000; Italy could ease lockdown soon: The number of new confirmed cases in Germany jumped by 4,974 in the past 24 hours to a total of 108,202, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 10:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:36 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: lockdown likely to be extended as Boris Johnson remains in hospital → https://is.gd/op40OP | 10:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +766 cases (now 1522931), +88 deaths (now 88688), +1009 recoveries (now 332130) since an hour ago — Austria: +728 recoveries (now 5240) since an hour ago — Indonesia: +337 cases (now 3293) since an hour ago | 10:50 |
| jimmyjam | https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ | 10:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:50 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: education minister orders independent schools to reopen – latest news → https://is.gd/xiTFkH | 10:59 |
| tinwhiskers | jimmyjam: please don't post that nonsense here | 10:59 |
| ynhof[m] | % Data Sweden | 10:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:02 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Giappone → https://is.gd/2D5lZx | 11:04 |
| jimmyjam | tinwhiskers, tell me more | 11:04 |
| jimmyjam | it was barely a cold when I had it | 11:05 |
| jimmyjam | the panic is causing more harm than the virus | 11:05 |
| ynhof[m] | Some of you know your stuff and I was wondering if a sore throat and easy dehydrations are symptoms my illness still lingers. | 11:05 |
| ynhof[m] | Everyone I talk to plays it down. | 11:05 |
| ynhof[m] | I am scared I am carrying live virus in my throat/pharynx. | 11:05 |
| tinwhiskers | He was just trolling | 11:07 |
| ynhof[m] | Yes I see. It just was troubling being constantly told in online news to get tested, but then when I ring up constantly being talked out of it | 11:07 |
| Birosso | Wow, you're very good at this. | 11:07 |
| Birosso | Although *scoffs, quiets are rather easy. | 11:07 |
| Birosso | >.> | 11:07 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh | 11:08 |
| Birosso | Don't know if you saw my attempts yesterday. | 11:08 |
| ynhof[m] | Lol i missed the joke | 11:08 |
| tinwhiskers | ynhof[m]: I've not seen "online news" recommending people try to get tested | 11:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:06 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/GMwahR | 11:09 |
| tinwhiskers | ynhof[m]: if you check the topic there is some good info on the symptoms and whether you have it | 11:10 |
| ynhof[m] | Is trying to get tested a bad idea in your opinion? | 11:11 |
| ynhof[m] | I matched all the symptoms apart from cough, and still get a little ill in the cold | 11:11 |
| tinwhiskers | ynhof[m]: well at present the availability of test kits is still pretty poor so they are mostly still being used for people with risk factors. If you phone your local medical services they should be able to schedule you in for a test of they think it is warranted. | 11:14 |
| tinwhiskers | Do you have a fever? | 11:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Economia → https://is.gd/DdDYpH | 11:14 |
| ynhof[m] | It passed now | 11:14 |
| SilverFang | Well hello people... Just wondering as i suspect me being infected with Covid 19, i now worries about me being home for over 4 weeks due to the symtom not clearing out before that (might) most cases shows that the fewer is taking long time to get over 3-4 weeks for many. But some within days a week. | 11:15 |
| ynhof[m] | Its only occasional sore throat runny nose but hopefully no one contracts it from me | 11:15 |
| tinwhiskers | ynhof[m]: make sure your wear a mask to reduce the chance of you spreading it to others. If you're recovering you shouldn't remain infectious for much longer. | 11:17 |
| tinwhiskers | Once you do recover don't be complacent about being immune because you may have had something else. | 11:18 |
| knullare | https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/diy-cloth-face-coverings.html | 11:19 |
| knullare | here's how to make your own mask | 11:19 |
| knullare | so we can save the real ones for the docs and nurses, who are getting hammered by it all day. | 11:20 |
| tinwhiskers | knullare++ | 11:20 |
| knullare | Just be sure to remove and wash everything when you get back into your home, that you've obviously completely wiped down with bleach already, right? | 11:21 |
| knullare | don't forget the little places you forget but touch all the time, fridge door handle, inside lock, cabinet handle, etc. | 11:21 |
| knullare | But also don't be frightened unless you are over 65, already immunocompromised, or often around people in those groups | 11:22 |
| tinwhiskers | "don't forget the little places you forget but touch all the time" - that's a bit personal! | 11:23 |
| ynhof[m] | Hey that informations my privates | 11:23 |
| knullare | Why would you bring up your penis at a time like this? | 11:23 |
| tinwhiskers | :-/ | 11:24 |
| ynhof[m] | Right well I just didnt like being confused as f by my gov but yeahyour suggestions are things I try to heed | 11:24 |
| Birosso | Matrix users... | 11:25 |
| SilverFang | Anyone that could tell me? :P | 11:25 |
| knullare | tell you what | 11:25 |
| Hullo1 | ynhof[m], Which Matrix client are you on? | 11:26 |
| tinwhiskers | Nobody should really be getting medical advice here. That's not what this channel is for. Read the information in the topic. If you have symptoms phone a medical professional - do not visit the hospital without phoning first. Wear a mask. | 11:27 |
| knullare | we don't even have a test for if you've had it previously yet | 11:28 |
| knullare | only for if you currently do | 11:29 |
| tinwhiskers | We do, but not generally available yet | 11:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:25 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: New cases in Germany jump by nearly 5,000; Italy could ease lockdown soon: The number of new confirmed cases in Germany jumped by 4,974 in the past 24 hours to a total of 108,202, according to data from the Robert Koch Institute for infectious diseases. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 11:29 |
| tinwhiskers | The first people have been tested using antibody tests now but the results were disappointing | 11:29 |
| tinwhiskers | Germany plans to test 100,000 people for antibodies in the next few weeks | 11:30 |
| knullare | Source? | 11:31 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh... I'd have to Google it | 11:31 |
| knullare | give me some search terms and I'll do it | 11:31 |
| tinwhiskers | Antibody test Germany | 11:32 |
| knullare | just don't know the doctorisms | 11:32 |
| tinwhiskers | :-) | 11:32 |
| sydrush | let's hope we do it right, lots of immature antibody tests out there bring false positives | 11:32 |
| knullare | thanks timwhiskey | 11:32 |
| mefistofeles | sydrush: I think Germany is really doing a great job in testing. so if anybody gets it right must be them, imho | 11:33 |
| tinwhiskers | https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1263131/coronavirus-europe-angela-merkel-germany-latest-antibody-test-nhs-news-vaccine | 11:33 |
| knullare | https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/new-blood-tests-antibodies-could-show-true-scale-coronavirus-pandemic | 11:34 |
| knullare | found that too | 11:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Nice | 11:34 |
| knullare | immunity certificates to get out of lockdown | 11:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes, antibody tests are a great diagnostic tool to see how many people *really* got infected | 11:34 |
| knullare | meanwhile, people take the train in and out of my city every day | 11:34 |
| knullare | But they need your blood. no swabs | 11:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2102 cases (now 1525033), +303 deaths (now 88991), +659 recoveries (now 332789) since 47 minutes ago — Belgium: +1580 cases (now 24983), +283 deaths (now 2523), +483 recoveries (now 5164) since 47 minutes ago — Switzerland: +124 cases (now 23404) since 47 minutes ago | 11:35 |
| ynhof[m] | The end of my rant which doesnt need to waste space here. https://pastebin.com/raw/u0qPnSTZ | 11:35 |
| tinwhiskers | The early home test kit has unfortunately had a very poor test rate but things should improve soon | 11:35 |
| pwr22 | <tinwhiskers "The first people have been teste"> In as much as there wasn't much immunity out in the wild? | 11:37 |
| tinwhiskers | As in people who they knew had recovered from the disease didn't get a positive result from the test | 11:37 |
| tinwhiskers | False negatives | 11:38 |
| tinwhiskers | i.e. pcr positive but antibody negative | 11:38 |
| knullare | am I allowed to ask for a show of hands of who thinks they've already gotten it? | 11:40 |
| mefistofeles | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/08/covid-19-antibody-update-for-april-8 | 11:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah, thanks mefistofeles. I was trying to think where I'd seen that info :-) | 11:41 |
| knullare | https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-to-understand-and-report-figures-for-covid-19-deaths | 11:42 |
| mefistofeles | there is a significant amount of younger people not showing antibodies | 11:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 09:39 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia's cases rise above 10,000; Italy could ease lockdown soon: Russia has reported a record one-day rise of 1,459 new cases of coronavirus Thursday, making the total number of confirmed cases to 10,131. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 11:44 |
| knullare | ciao, rssbot | 11:45 |
| mefistofeles | I cannot really find good info about the antibody tests from Germany they have announced weeks ago | 11:45 |
| tinwhiskers | If you're interested in the antibody stuff that link mefistofeles posted above really is the good shit to follow. | 11:46 |
| genera | you mean the sciencemag thing? | 11:50 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah | 11:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:48 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Nuova Zelanda → https://is.gd/bNA0AF | 11:55 |
| knullare | Thanks for unmuting me | 11:59 |
| knullare | preciate ya | 11:59 |
| blkshp | Hi Ma | 12:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:51 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: lockdown likely to be extended as Boris Johnson remains in hospital → https://is.gd/op40OP | 12:00 |
| blkshp | So ban evasion, yeah | 12:00 |
| Hullo1 | Hello | 12:00 |
| knullare | ban is ban | 12:00 |
| knullare | mute is mute | 12:00 |
| ynhof[m] | https://m.imgur.com/gallery/pcDCwGk | 12:09 |
| ynhof[m] | Hand sanitizer condenses on big city. | 12:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:12 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia's cases rise above 10,000; Italy could ease lockdown soon: Russia has reported a record one-day rise of 1,459 new cases of coronavirus Thursday, making the total number of confirmed cases to 10,131. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 12:15 |
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| WW[m] | Do you want anything else? | 12:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:18 UTC: This chart shows which European countries are expected to have the highest coronavirus death tolls: Britain will be hit harder by the coronavirus crisis than any other European country, researchers have predicted, with the U.K. expected to see more than 60,000 deaths from COVID-19. → https://is.gd/qXanra | 12:25 |
| WW[m] | mobile researcher lol | 12:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:27 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia's cases rise above 10,000; Italy could ease lockdown soon: Russia has reported a record one-day rise of 1,459 new cases of coronavirus Thursday, making the total number of confirmed cases to 10,131. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 12:30 |
| Hullo1 | Ah, Russia's fast catching up | 12:31 |
| Hullo1 | Has the coronavirus been spreading slowly in tropical areas like South Asia? | 12:32 |
| WW[m] | As I understand it, the virus doesn't care what the climate is.. | 12:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5462 cases (now 1530495), +459 deaths (now 89450), +4361 recoveries (now 337150) since an hour ago — Spain: +4226 cases (now 152446), +446 deaths (now 15238), +4144 recoveries (now 52165) since an hour ago — Romania: +441 cases (now 5202), +119 recoveries (now 647) since an hour ago | 12:35 |
| Hullo1 | Even at temps exceeding forty degree celsius, no effect on the spread? | 12:37 |
| WW[m] | it seems so | 12:39 |
| pwr22 | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-52227363 | 12:42 |
| pwr22 | What is wrong with people? | 12:42 |
| Hullo1 | pwr22, Sadly not limited to England | 12:43 |
| Hullo1 | pwr22, Some individuals were licking currency notes before using/giving them | 12:43 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Death Count Expected To Soar As NYC Says It Will Begin Reporting Probable COVID Deaths In Addition To Confirmed Ones (10186 votes) | https://redd.it/fxkjne | 12:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:36 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: lockdown likely to be extended as Boris Johnson remains in hospital → https://is.gd/op40OP | 12:46 |
| ynhof[m] | Shit I think I infected flatmate | 12:46 |
| mefistofeles | ynhof[m]: if you were infected then yes, very likely | 12:47 |
| ynhof[m] | Oh well. the damage, this I have done. | 12:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:48 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Spagna → https://is.gd/xa7wI8 | 12:51 |
| WW[m] | foodlickers should be quietly isolated from society. why does the bbc publish such news? | 12:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:52 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Trump → https://is.gd/VXBMFL | 12:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic at 11:00 UTC: A New Approach to Fighting the Opioid Crisis: N ikki King was 17 years old when she left the mountain hollow where she was raised by her grandparents and sneaked off to the University of Kentucky under cover of darkness. It was 2009, and the advice of her late grandmother Sue King echoed in her head as she drove: [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/mVPlzX | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:13 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Cura Italia, esame al Senato. Il governo ha chiesto la fiducia - Politica - ANSA → https://is.gd/eGhL4r | 13:16 |
| sydrush | https://www.aalto.fi/en/news/researchers-modelling-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-emphasise-the-importance-of-avoiding-busy | 13:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:15 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/Ua0E9i | 13:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:30 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia's cases rise above 10,000; Italy could ease lockdown soon: Russia has reported a record one-day rise of 1,459 new cases of coronavirus Thursday, making the total number of confirmed cases to 10,131. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:39 UTC: Russia's cases rise above 10,000; Italy could ease lockdown soon: Russia has reported a record one-day rise of 1,459 new cases of coronavirus Thursday, making the total number of confirmed cases to 10,131. → https://is.gd/cucZVn | 13:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: lockdown likely to be extended as Boris Johnson remains in hospital → https://is.gd/op40OP | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gottlieb says US won't be able to make enough treatment to meet demand → https://is.gd/HiHW2h | 14:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2554 cases (now 1533049), +266 deaths (now 89716), +115 recoveries (now 337265) since an hour ago — Netherlands: +1213 cases (now 21762), +148 deaths (now 2396) since an hour ago — Sweden: +722 cases (now 9141), +106 deaths (now 793) since an hour ago | 14:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:25 UTC: White House officials see 'real evidence' that coronavirus mitigation efforts are slowing outbreak, even as some states struggle: Birx said the New York metropolitan area, which includes Northern New Jersey, Connecticut and Rhode Island, is still reporting roughly 11,000 new cases a day and that about 40% of all [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/cwAjNy | 14:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gottlieb says US won't be able to make enough treatment to meet demand → https://is.gd/HiHW2h | 14:33 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: A grocery clerk with cerebral palsy died of coronavirus. She had kept working to help seniors (10030 votes) | https://redd.it/fxdx75 | 14:39 |
| aradesh | USA looking to become #1 for fatalities within a few days | 14:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | %more | 14:45 |
| Brainstorm | DocScrutinizer05, [...] COVID-19 tests are positive. → https://paste.ee/p/Tddpo | 14:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:45 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Questo porta il totale di Americani che hanno dichiarato disoccupazione nelle ultime 3 settimane a più di 16 milioni , ed è previsto di salire ancora visto la chiusura più recente di stati come Florida. → https://is.gd/SMcbyT | 14:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2161 cases (now 1535210), +75 deaths (now 89791), +279 recoveries (now 337544) since 46 minutes ago — Portugal: +815 cases (now 13956) since 46 minutes ago — Saudi Arabia: +355 cases (now 3287) since 46 minutes ago | 14:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:46 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Thursday: Dow futures turned positive Thursday after the Federal Reserve unveiled details of its much-anticipated Main Street lending program. → https://is.gd/COymPm | 14:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:51 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gottlieb says US won't be able to make enough treatment to meet demand → https://is.gd/HiHW2h | 14:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:59 UTC: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Thursday: Dow futures turned positive Thursday after the Federal Reserve unveiled details of its much-anticipated Main Street lending program and other initiatives. → https://is.gd/COymPm | 15:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1752 cases (now 1536962), +117 deaths (now 89908), +2511 recoveries (now 340055) since 18 minutes ago — Iran: +1634 cases (now 66220), +117 deaths (now 4110), +2497 recoveries (now 32309) since 18 minutes ago | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gottlieb says US won't be able to make enough treatment to meet demand → https://is.gd/HiHW2h | 15:09 |
| pwr22 | The extent of public gatherings the police have had to shutdown in Manchester | 15:13 |
| pwr22 | Includes 168 street parties | 15:13 |
| pwr22 | Green dots are house parties | 15:13 |
| aradesh | i bet that barely scratches the surface on how many public gatherings there have been | 15:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:11 UTC: Fed rolls out fresh stimulus as US jobless claims surge by 6.6m - business live: Rolling coverage of the latest economic and financial news as the US reports another 6.6 million in jobless claims amid the coronavirus lockdown → https://is.gd/VExBkA | 15:17 |
| lf94 | That is really, really interesting. | 15:18 |
| lf94 | Percentage of people in Canada who became unemployed is 2%. This is the same for USA based on that 6.6m number. | 15:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:18 UTC: European markets advance despite surging US jobless claims: European markets traded higher Thursday as investors digested the latest U.S. jobless data and the coronavirus pandemic remained in focus. → https://is.gd/8LGdnL | 15:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Gottlieb says US won't be able to make enough treatment to meet demand → https://is.gd/HiHW2h | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:46 UTC: European markets advance despite surging US jobless claims: European markets traded higher Thursday as investors digested the latest U.S. jobless data and the coronavirus pandemic remained in focus. → https://is.gd/8LGdnL | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Bezos makes surprise visit to sites, Yelp lays off or furloughs more than 2,000 employees → https://is.gd/HiHW2h | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1303 cases (now 1538265), +81 deaths (now 89989), +324 recoveries (now 340379) since an hour ago — US: +613 cases (now 435780), +68 deaths (now 14865) since an hour ago — Chile: +426 cases (now 5972), +159 recoveries (now 1274) since an hour ago | 16:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC Mayor warns tighter coronavirus restrictions may be needed, Yelp starts layoffs, furloughs → https://is.gd/HiHW2h | 16:38 |
| Wicentino | il rischio per chi non si ammala e sta a casa è di impazzire | 16:47 |
| Wicentino | c'è qualcuno? | 16:47 |
| MacGeek | si, ma in questo canale si parla in inglese. | 16:49 |
| MacGeek | se vuoi parlare in italiano c'e' #/r/italy per esempio | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1115 cases (now 1539380), +71 recoveries (now 340450) since 32 minutes ago — Belarus: +420 cases (now 1486), +62 recoveries (now 139) since 32 minutes ago — Germany: +319 cases (now 113615) since 32 minutes ago | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:52 UTC: (news): New York City mayor warns coronavirus restrictions might last until June: It's time to 'double down' → https://is.gd/HWqBdP | 16:55 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: A Georgia bar owner removed $3,714 worth of bills stapled to the walls to give to her unemployed staff (10794 votes) | https://redd.it/fxq9m2 | 16:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 15:13 UTC: ljl-covid: Add virus info from Korkinlab → https://is.gd/JHvonu | 17:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1796 cases (now 1541176), +129 recoveries (now 340579) since 31 minutes ago — Germany: +642 cases (now 114257) since 31 minutes ago — India: +351 cases (now 6588) since 31 minutes ago | 17:20 |
| Flaviker | !v | 17:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC Mayor warns tighter coronavirus restrictions may be needed, Yelp starts layoffs, furloughs → https://is.gd/HiHW2h | 17:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1453 cases (now 1542629), +75 deaths (now 90121), +1682 recoveries (now 342261) since 16 minutes ago — US: +1028 cases (now 436969), +1450 recoveries (now 24391) since 16 minutes ago — Florida, US: +666 cases (now 16364) since 16 minutes ago | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:49 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: La conferenza stampa della protezione civile inizierà alle 18 → https://is.gd/FxoD5E | 17:52 |
| graphine | 2020 | 17:56 |
| graphine | hej | 17:56 |
| graphine | hi dTal | 17:58 |
| graphine | did someone think about vaccum filter bags as masks? | 17:59 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: My 93 year old grandfather beat this virus! I hope any of you that have family members affected by this virus have the same outcome. Love and family are his words of wisdom to get better. (10006 votes) | https://redd.it/fxgd41 | 17:59 |
| mefistofeles | so, this article said that younger people seem to not be developing antibodies, then how their body actually deals with all of this? what's the alternative? | 17:59 |
| mefistofeles | anybody knows? :) | 18:00 |
| graphine | hi there mefistofeles | 18:00 |
| mefistofeles | hey graphine | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC mayor warns tighter restrictions may be needed, Yelp starts layoffs, furloughs → https://is.gd/HiHW2h | 18:00 |
| graphine | what do you think about vaccum filter bags as masks? | 18:00 |
| LjL | graphine, experiments showed they are relatively good at stopping droplets, but very hard to breathe through, so other materials may be more indicated, even if on paper they stop fewer particles | 18:01 |
| graphine | i see | 18:01 |
| LjL | if a material is hard to breathe through, the result, aside from discomfort, will be that you breathe in air from the side instead, unless you have a seal with the mask (unlikely) | 18:01 |
| LjL | so you end up breathing unfiltered air | 18:01 |
| graphine | when they take blood how you call that in english half year check they test your lung volume too at my doctors | 18:02 |
| graphine | did not find it hard to take breath through it | 18:02 |
| LjL | i don't know | 18:03 |
| graphine | that stuff seems better than my ffp1 mask | 18:03 |
| mefistofeles | oh,nvm, it's not that they don'thave, just have lower levels, sorry | 18:03 |
| LjL | well, not all vacuum filters may be created equal | 18:03 |
| graphine | i see | 18:03 |
| graphine | i usually take the good stuff because i am allergic against dust | 18:03 |
| graphine | pretty much so | 18:03 |
| graphine | it just was my first idea for a mask | 18:04 |
| graphine | i just cant find those ffp2 i should have somewhere lol | 18:04 |
| graphine | today i will wear a mask just for you guys :-) | 18:05 |
| MacGeek | italy today: +4204 infections, +610 deaths, +1979 recoveries | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2553 cases (now 1545182), +899 deaths (now 91020), +342 recoveries (now 342603) since 33 minutes ago — US: +1507 cases (now 438476), +823 deaths (now 15732) since 33 minutes ago — Pennsylvania, US: +1485 cases (now 18228) since 33 minutes ago | 18:05 |
| LjL | Italy's Civil Protection press conference for today will be live at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POKaxAI3egY shortly and I will do the usual note taking thing. | 18:05 |
| graphine | LjL, where are you? | 18:06 |
| LjL | MacGeek, well that doesn't sound great | 18:06 |
| LjL | graphine, italy | 18:06 |
| graphine | i need to get used to all your handles | 18:06 |
| graphine | and locations | 18:06 |
| mefistofeles | graphine: why? xD | 18:06 |
| LjL | MacGeek, i hope it's due to doing even more tests today than yesterday, though that seems unlikely with that number | 18:07 |
| graphine | mefistofeles, because i like how and what you write! | 18:07 |
| graphine | yours is easy to remember old satan mefistofeles | 18:07 |
| MacGeek | LjL: 46244 tests today. | 18:07 |
| mefistofeles | graphine: haha ok | 18:07 |
| LjL | more or less same as yesterday then | 18:07 |
| graphine | man today i had to shout at some people because of the fact that they do not take care of their children well | 18:08 |
| LjL | and a higher positive rate among the ones tested | 18:08 |
| mefistofeles | MacGeek: still bit low, but I guess they are doing what they can now | 18:08 |
| graphine | that sucks | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 16:01 UTC: Policy: Trump administration pulls funding for drive-through COVID-19 testing → https://is.gd/WP85Wy | 18:08 |
| graphine | lots of people still not take it serious enough | 18:08 |
| rajrajraj | way too many cases in india today | 18:08 |
| MacGeek | you mean like the guy pulling funding for drive-through testing? | 18:08 |
| graphine | i need to do something for my fitness i realized it yesterday after the shopping i carried like close to 40kgs from store to home was king of exhausting those kilometers :-( | 18:10 |
| graphine | at least i am still able to do so not that bad for 49 | 18:10 |
| mefistofeles | sYN4P515: hey, you there? Can I PM you? | 18:10 |
| sYN4P515 | yes mefistofeles , go ahead | 18:11 |
| LjL | MacGeek, who pulled funding for drive-through testing? | 18:11 |
| graphine | hej LjL do you meassure to temperature daily? | 18:12 |
| graphine | hi L0NDONER | 18:12 |
| LjL | graphine, no, i'm pretty sure i'd notice if i had a fever | 18:12 |
| MacGeek | LjL: 3 lines above my comment, ars technica article | 18:12 |
| graphine | i see | 18:12 |
| LjL | oh okay | 18:12 |
| graphine | my temp got a tad up | 18:12 |
| graphine | but not usual for me | 18:12 |
| LjL | i measure it when i'm not feeling great, but usually it's between 36.0 and 36.8, with strange lows to 35.5 or so sometimes | 18:14 |
| LjL | incidentally, there's anecdotal reports of lower-than-normal temperature *after* the initial phases of COVID infection being associated with bad outcomes | 18:15 |
| graphine | yeah | 18:16 |
| graphine | my temps are always insane lol | 18:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:13 UTC: (news): New York coronavirus daily death toll reaches third-straight record at 799, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/dBGd5e | 18:16 |
| L0NDONER | sup graphine | 18:17 |
| graphine | in the morning it is usually less than in the evening isnt it always like that | 18:17 |
| graphine | just wanted to hear something from you L0NDONER how do the deliverious go? | 18:17 |
| graphine | deliveries | 18:18 |
| L0NDONER | yea all done. Been home about an hour | 18:18 |
| graphine | thats good | 18:19 |
| graphine | tofay i will wear a mask for you L0NDONER | 18:19 |
| graphine | i can cope with suggestions | 18:20 |
| graphine | they start to produce masks in germany anyway they said they should be soon there for most people | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +6238 cases (now 1551420), +724 deaths (now 91744), +2180 recoveries (now 344783) since 17 minutes ago — Italy: +4204 cases (now 143626), +610 deaths (now 18279), +1979 recoveries (now 28470) since 17 minutes ago — US: +1940 cases (now 440416), +80 deaths (now 15812), +91 recoveries (now 24504) since 17 minutes ago | 18:20 |
| dTal | hi graphine | 18:20 |
| graphine | hi dTal | 18:21 |
| graphine | how are you | 18:21 |
| graphine | if someone can help me with starting a blog i wont mind :-) | 18:22 |
| LjL | Italy's Civil Protection press conference starting now at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POKaxAI3egY and I will take notes | 18:24 |
| LjL | Good evening. Sorry for being late, but I'm coming back now from Milan where we went along with the new medical task force. | 18:24 |
| LjL | [I missed all the numbers] | 18:25 |
| zirpu | 1, 2, and maybe 3. :-) | 18:25 |
| LjL | ICU patients are -88 compared to yesterday. | 18:25 |
| LjL | 28399 are hospitalized with symptoms, -86 | 18:25 |
| LjL | 64877 are self-isolating at home (67%) | 18:25 |
| LjL | The number of people self-isolating is growing, while the number of people in ICU or hospitalized is going down. | 18:26 |
| LjL | +610 deaths | 18:26 |
| LjL | +1979 recoveries | 18:26 |
| LjL | New cases are +4204 | 18:26 |
| LjL | We now have more than 116 million euro in donations. | 18:27 |
| LjL | These are being used for buying PPEs and ventilators. | 18:27 |
| graphine | thanks LjL i appreciate you sharing the informations thats great! | 18:28 |
| LjL | We have 17018 volunteers working in this emergency. | 18:28 |
| LjL | The third section of the medical task force have gone to Lombardy, others are in some of the other hardest-hit regions. | 18:29 |
| LjL | There are 345 doctors supplementing local ones, including some coming from abroad as aid. | 18:29 |
| LjL | Now I will ask Prof. Locatelli to speak | 18:30 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) Thank you Dr Borrelli, good evening. | 18:30 |
| LjL | In the past 5 days, 4 had showed a negative change in hospitalized patients, i.e. fewer patients, and 5 days out of 5 we have had a decrease in ICU patients. | 18:31 |
| electricprism[m] | !cases united states | 18:31 |
| LjL | This shows there is a reduction on healthcare structures. This should also been seen in a perspective that should also be remembered when we talk about a "phase 2": optimizing medical structures, including for non-COVID patients, will be fundamental. | 18:31 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 440,416 cases as of 2020-04-09 16:19:00 UTC. Of these 400,100 (90.8%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 24,504 (5.6%) have definitely recovered and 15,812 (3.6%) have died. | 18:32 |
| LjL | Something else that deserves highlight: despite today's high number of deaths, there are 10 regions, mainly in the Center and South, as well as Bozen, where this number is less than 10. | 18:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from New Scientist at 17:00 UTC: Coronavirus latest: US unemployment claims pass 16 million: The latest coronavirus news updated every day including coronavirus cases, the latest news, features and interviews from New Scientist and essential information about the covid-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/lLJiDP | 18:32 |
| LjL | This can be attributed to the efficacy of the restrictive measures as well as the capabilities of the healthcare system. | 18:33 |
| LjL | I have an opportunity to say how we have proceeded in serology studies, as we've had a good teleconference with the delegates from all the regions, to share the rationale of what will be a sort of modus operandi to start this study, on which there is broad consent. | 18:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4631 cases (now 1556051), +119 deaths (now 91863), +1039 recoveries (now 345822) since 16 minutes ago — Turkey: +4056 cases (now 42282), +96 deaths (now 908), +296 recoveries (now 2142) since 16 minutes ago — Switzerland: +247 cases (now 24046), +700 recoveries (now 10600) since 16 minutes ago | 18:35 |
| LjL | The role of AIFA, the Italian pharmacology agency (and let me wish director Nicola Magrini to get well soon), has included evaluating and approving 12 studies. Other studies are undergoing a second evaluation, after further details were requested. | 18:36 |
| LjL | In case of drug shortage, AIFA acted timely to prevent that. We are managing a time of experimentation on therapies that must be monitored attentively to check for potential side-effects, in a disease whose pathogenesis, especially in respiratory efficiency, is yet to be fully defined. | 18:37 |
| LjL | Having read on some websites that report violations of the restrictions, I'd like to say that each one of us must rigorously respect the restrictive measures. | 18:38 |
| LjL | Questions now. | 18:39 |
| LjL | Q: Looking at phase 2, which regions do you consider less at risk? The ones with the most infections or the onest with the least? And what are the field of work more and less at risk? | 18:40 |
| LjL | A: (Locatelli) You touched on two very important points. I'll start with the second question: on two extremes, assistants in dentistry study are an example of a category strongly exposed to risk, while those working on forestry, including to avoid fires next summer, which may be overlooked, are a category with a markedly lower infection risk. | 18:42 |
| Albright | Teddy-Bear vs the Taiwan government: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/08/who-chief-addresses-death-threats-racist-insults-i-dont-give-a-damn.html | 18:44 |
| LjL | As to the first question, there are some opposite interpretations: obviously, in a region with high incidence of the epidemic, the risk of infection is higher; conversely, though, in a region where the incidence is lower, we can suspect that the number of people who have no antibodies is higher, and so there can be a higher proportion of susceptible subjects. | 18:44 |
| LjL | As my personal interpretation, the policies that will be chosen by the government will have to act more on a national basis than a regional basis. | 18:45 |
| LjL | [inaudible] | 18:45 |
| LjL | Q: Again on serology tests, on April 3 you said we'd have validated tests within a few days, that could be used on a large national scale. Has the population sample been determined, are the criteria ready? | 18:46 |
| LjL | A: (Locatelli) I'll provide two answers, one is about the sampling size, which will be chosen, also thanks to ISTAT's directions, considering gender, six age groups, job profiles, and regional differences. | 18:47 |
| LjL | On serology, I will repeat what I've said before: a test will be chosen with high sensitivity and high specificity, and that can be applied to the entire national territory, as the study will be conducted country-wide, with a large contribution from the regions. | 18:48 |
| LjL | It will also need to be a test that can be rapidly performed, to be able to process a large amount of sample in a short time, to complete this epidemiological evaluation (seroprevalance) in a short timeframe. | 18:49 |
| LjL | Selection of the most appropriate tests will happen based on what I've described. | 18:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +8879 cases (now 1564930) since 20 minutes ago — US: +8876 cases (now 449555) since 20 minutes ago — New York, US: +8766 cases (now 159937) since 20 minutes ago | 18:50 |
| LjL | Q: On a different subject, we've talked a lot lately about re-opening school next year: online teaching, social distancing...? But we can rule out social distancing in kindergartens. Can we already rule out being able to re-open these structures next September, or is there something that can be done, even for very young children? Would it be appropriate to use tablets and phones even at those ages, when it's normally not recommended? | 18:50 |
| LjL | Q: (Locatelli) Personally, I think it's a bit premature to envision choices for September. We should limit the timeframe. As my personal wish, I hope that this problem will not be a problem in September, partly because we're doing everything to reduce R0. | 18:51 |
| LjL | The choice on how realistic it is to stop the school year entirely is a prerogative of the Minister of Education and the Council of Ministers. I don't want to sound like I don't even try to give you an answer, though: in our scenarios, we have evaluated the imact of re-opening schools, and after we give the results of that to the government, I'm sure the most appropriate choices will be made. | 18:53 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: China reclassifies dogs as pets, not livestock, in post-virus regulatory push (10965 votes) | https://redd.it/fxrk40 | 18:53 |
| genera | School is out for evar! | 18:54 |
| Raf[m] | what district? | 18:54 |
| LjL | Q: I think we're starting to worry a lot about deaths among doctors and nurses, which I believe it's now 103 doctors and about 30 nurses. In your opinion, as your personal impression, have we reached a stage where something wrong has been made, the appropriate PPEs have not been provided? After all, they are those people we expect to help, not to get infected. Another question is, you told us about the decrease in numbers during the past few days: if it | 18:54 |
| LjL | were up to you, would you relax the restrictive measures shortly? | 18:54 |
| mefistofeles | https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/04/07/science.abb4557.abstract btw, just in case you missed it | 18:56 |
| LjL | A: As to the first question, you said the number of dead doctors and nurses is "unimaginable" [I did not transcribe that passage]... In my opinion, NO health worker should have died to assist the COVID-19 patients. You know I'm also a clinician, so I'm involved personally. Those who assist infectious patients must be placed in the condition, both in terms of PPEs and of professional training (a scenario like the one we're living is completely new to us, | 18:57 |
| LjL | and there was a sort of learning process), in practice, both of these things must be optimized to protect healthcare workers. Substantially, that's the reason why there is a policy of leaving FFP3 masks to the doctors who handle mechanical ventilation, as they need priority, while surgical masks must be provided to workers who are not in intensive care. | 18:57 |
| LjL | If something was handled suboptimally, we'll certainly look at it with the due attention. We don't want a sacrifice of lives like this to happen again. I want to tell all my collegues that there is currently the utmost attention in trying to protect them. | 18:58 |
| rager | for every healthcare worker taken off the line by illness, how many people die? | 18:59 |
| LjL | [inaudible] | 18:59 |
| jacklsw | Q&A session of LjL | 19:00 |
| LjL | The restrictive measures, I mentioned this before but I'll go back to it... I believe it's extremely important that at this time, everyone do what they are called to do. Members of the scientific committee provide orientation, then the government has the duty of making political choices. This relationship with a clear distinction of roles has been very clear in my opinion. I can say clearly that everything concerning policies of restarting non-essential | 19:01 |
| LjL | production activities will have to be done extremely cautiously, to avoid encountering a second wave. | 19:01 |
| LjL | The Minister of Health has also stated this, and personally I support this position fully. As I said many times, the economy must remain sustainable, but protection citizens' health has priority. | 19:02 |
| LjL | Q: Despite the restrictive measures, there are thousands of new infections every day; it happens in hospitals, in homes, and in front of supermarkets... is there not a way to improve online shopping? Supermarket sites are often unusable at this time. Couldn't the government provide incentives to improve the situation? | 19:03 |
| LjL | A: (Borrelli) These sites were already growing before the coronavirus appeared. This market is expanding. What we've done as the Civil Protection has been supporting those who just can't go shopping, so our volunteers provide deliveries to those who need it. I also think many of these sites have created arrangements, including with our volunteers, to improve deliveries in general. We can provide all the support we're asked for, but out volunteers are busy | 19:04 |
| LjL | in a number of activities. | 19:04 |
| LjL | Q: About supermarket opening hours...? | 19:04 |
| LjL | A: Those are regulated, and this will be re-evaluated for the future. | 19:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:02 UTC: What we've learned about how remote work is changing us: Arianna Huffington and a former Google HR head are among leaders studying the coronavirus shift to remote work to learn what it will take to keep workers and businesses healthy. → https://is.gd/6O7IyR | 19:05 |
| LjL | Q: About nursing homes, I'd like to ask Prof. Locatelli, they've been some of the structures with the most clusters; what will be done to protect the elderly during "phase 2"? A new decree has also requested police checks at second home, especially now we're nearing Easter... | 19:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1441 cases (now 1566371), +52 deaths (now 91917) since 16 minutes ago — US: +1413 cases (now 450968), +52 deaths (now 15878) since 16 minutes ago — Louisiana, US: +1253 cases (now 18283) since 16 minutes ago | 19:05 |
| yozi | is it worthy worrying about economic in this situation? masks and hand-sanitizers are getting expensive here | 19:05 |
| LjL | Q: About enhancing checks, I'd like to thank the Minister of Interior and the police; we've always said we must not lower our guard, or think we've "won our battle" against the virus. We must continue acting responsibly, limiting travel, and this can only be guaranteed with adequate police checks. I'm happy these have been enhanced, and the regions themselves wanted it, especially involving second homes. | 19:06 |
| LjL | (Locatelli) Thanks for the question on nursing home, which is an especially important subject to me. The elderly are our historical memory. The nursing homes themselves, aside from what happened at Milan's Pio Albergo Trivulzio, have been some of the places which have had the most deaths, as many elder people with co-morbidities live there, and this correlates with the most deaths, as more than 80% of the deaths we've had were over 70 years of age. | 19:08 |
| LjL | We've done a lot to limit contagion in a closed community such as a nursing home. I'll try listing some of the measures that will have to be continued, including in phase 2: providing adequate PPEs to the workers there, noticing immediately any signs of potential infection on the workers, including people working on food delivery, laundry, etc... sadly I must mention that we'll have to continue limiting visits by relatives, which are a risk. | 19:09 |
| mefistofeles | https://bluetrace.io/ finally the code is out :) | 19:09 |
| LjL | It's clear that any of this cannot be changed during phase 2. There can be no exception, if anything we'll have to pay even more attention. | 19:10 |
| LjL | (Borrelli) Thank you. | 19:10 |
| LjL | --- end | 19:10 |
| oxalis | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/09/sex-toy-sales-triple-during-new-zealands-coronavirus-lockdown | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:10 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Coronavirus: -88 in terapia intensiva - Ultima Ora - ANSA → https://is.gd/z0yHtj | 19:13 |
| LjL | My notes from the above, edited slightly: https://dpaste.org/ecBr | 19:14 |
| CyberManifest | Are drinks and foods infused with antioxidants bad for COVID19 recovery? (Since it's assumed COVID19 is deactivated by oxidation)? | 19:15 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, are there signs that many governments are willing to adopt this app/protocol? | 19:15 |
| LjL | The following is a statement from Google: "At Google Play we take our responsibility to provide accurate and relevant information for our users very seriously. For that reason, we are currently only approving apps that reference COVID-19 or related terms in their store listing if the app is published, commissioned, or authorized by an official government entity or public health organization, and the app does not contain any monetization mechanisms such as | 19:17 |
| LjL | ads, in-app products, or in-app donations. This includes references in places such as the app title, description, release notes, or screenshots. For more information visit https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2020/04/google-play-updates-and-information.html" | 19:17 |
| LjL | (so much for Play being actually open) | 19:17 |
| MinceR | as far as i know, the body uses antioxidants to defend itself from its own oxidative weapons while fighting pathogens | 19:18 |
| MinceR | so it's probably good for you | 19:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3694 cases (now 1570065), +226 deaths (now 92143), +55 recoveries (now 345900) since 16 minutes ago — US: +3647 cases (now 454615), +196 deaths (now 16074) since 16 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +3590 cases (now 51027), +196 deaths (now 1700) since 16 minutes ago | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 17:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Boris Johnson's health continues to improve, says No 10 → https://is.gd/xf9dsQ | 19:21 |
| CyberManifest | MinceR: yes, but protection for cells from oxidation is also protection for COVID19 from oxidation, thus, preventing it from being eliminated and if COVID19 can hijack the immune system then protected cells could be as bad as damaged ones, our bodies should be more resilient to oxidation than the virus if only by mass. | 19:22 |
| Arsanerit | 22:47:24 < Biep[m]> <Arsanerit "Why does The Netherlands have 4–"> I think they are severely undercounting. Germany is trying to have the whole population tested; in the Netherlands people tend not to go to a doctor until the illness is grave. So many cases aren't | 19:24 |
| Arsanerit | Biep[m]: I was not considering the number of cases. | 19:24 |
| CyberManifest | There is also some concern that consuming antioxidant supplements in excessive doses may be harmful. | 19:24 |
| CyberManifest | https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/antioxidant-supplements#risks | 19:25 |
| Arsanerit | Biep[m]: I didn't mean 4-6 times higher death rate per infected case, I mean 4-6 times more dead people per capita. The absolute number of deaths in The Netherlands is similar to Germany, even though Germany has a lot more people. So unless you think Germany is severely undercounting its coronadead compared to The Netherlands, which I don't believe, there is more to it. What could be the case, | 19:25 |
| Arsanerit | however, is that the severe undercounting in The Netherlands leads to more infected people continuing to infect other people (superspreaders). | 19:26 |
| Biep[m] | <Arsanerit "22:47:24 < Biep[m]> <Arsanerit ""> But it is important, because the mortality has the number of cases in the denominator - the more cases, the lower the mortality. | 19:26 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: apparently yes | 19:27 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: ↑ about the app thing | 19:27 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: they claim that over 50 governments have expressed interest in it | 19:27 |
| LjL | mefistofeles, nice... maybe | 19:28 |
| Arsanerit | Biep[m]: I wasn't talking about mortality. | 19:28 |
| Arsanerit | Biep[m]: I was talking about total casualties per capita. That figure does not have the number of cases anywhere. | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi MinceR! | 19:28 |
| Arsanerit | mefistofeles: the privacy-respecting app or the privacy-invasive app? | 19:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:21 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: confirmed global cases pass 1.5m as US sees new record unemployment → https://is.gd/IObF5N | 19:30 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, this looks potentially very privacy-invasive, with an ability for authorized authorities to collect all the proximity data you have stored in your phone... | 19:30 |
| aradesh | belgium isn't looking good for coronavirus... | 19:30 |
| LjL | https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/commit/a3c4f6952a7b72154274862672c8e65c4c5b9f2f since Brainstorm did not post | 19:30 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: The version I read about is open-source, installed without an app store, anonymised and based on bluetooth. | 19:32 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, this is (now) open source, but envisions being installed from an app store, quite possibly in government-tweaked flavors, and it uses google push notifications as far as i can see, so far from anonymous | 19:32 |
| Arsanerit | For the version I read about, data (bluetooth contacts with anonymous IDs) are stored only on local device, installation is voluntary, if someone gets infected they are encouraged to report that in the app. The app can then broadcast or otherwise inform all IDs it was near to in the past two weeks. | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: Germany is already ~3 weeks into developing an app for contact tracing. This app is getting reviewed by CCC et al for privacy concerns, it presumably will be "OK" | 19:33 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, well... if BlueTrace isn't the one that will be used by Germany, then i doubt many other EU countries will use it either | 19:34 |
| Arsanerit | The version I read about was approved by CCC. It doesn't exist yet, but it's porabbly the one DocScrutinizer05 is mentioning. | 19:34 |
| Arsanerit | Essentially CCC was listing the conditions based on which it would be acceptable. | 19:34 |
| LjL | so it was concept-stage only? | 19:34 |
| Arsanerit | I think it was at concept stage | 19:35 |
| LjL | i see... well, this app does have a "peer to peer" mode i think, of some kind, in addition to "authorities request full data" features | 19:35 |
| LjL | it might be adaptable to the German requirements by removing the centralized parts, i dunno | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they started developing it on #wirvsvirus hackathon the latest | 19:35 |
| LjL | there is a white paper and a policy on the site | 19:35 |
| L0NDONER | there was a study of covid published in the Lancet this morning I havent got round to reading it | 19:36 |
| Arsanerit | There are other apps to voluntarily inform the authorities, but that would be for research purposes, that step is not needed to be informed of "you were near a subsequently diagnosed case recently, go into quarantine now" | 19:36 |
| Arsanerit | I trust the CCC to audit any potential app and declare anything concerning. | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ack | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I helped 10 minutes improving the data structures, it's OK for all I can tell | 19:37 |
| mefistofeles | if Germany is not developing this in the open, I don't see the point of developing at all | 19:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:33 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York bringing in more funeral directors after record deaths → https://is.gd/HiHW2h | 19:38 |
| mefistofeles | they are also probably using OpenTrace, imho | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mefistofeles: eh? well *if* so irrelevant comment | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it is fully open | 19:38 |
| L0NDONER | thought there was an open source app being developed euro wide | 19:39 |
| L0NDONER | but lots arguments over privacy | 19:39 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: where? link? | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not your google | 19:39 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.pepp-pt.org/ | 19:40 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, it would be needed if authorities also wanted to enforce police checks on all people "supposed" to self-quarantine | 19:40 |
| mefistofeles | that's not open, fwiw | 19:40 |
| LjL | "As a partner, you will [...] have access to our documentation and the source code of a reference implementation." | 19:41 |
| LjL | not very open indeed | 19:41 |
| LjL | but is this the one DocScrutinizer05 had in mind? this is not specifically German | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 19:42 |
| mefistofeles | also, it sounds exactly just like OpenTrace | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | linking to a random site and then bitching is... | 19:42 |
| mefistofeles | so, reinventing the wheel but worse xD | 19:42 |
| MinceR | hi DocScrutinizer05 | 19:43 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: well, you refused to link it, so that's what I got | 19:43 |
| mefistofeles | feel free to drop the correct link | 19:43 |
| MinceR | CyberManifest: i guess it depends on whether human cells will produce these radicals even if there's no supply of antioxidants to counter them | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let me put it this way: check if Neumann of CCC is involved, then if it's not FOSS publish a "CCC supports closed source shit" blog | 19:44 |
| mefistofeles | btw https://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/en/press-media/news/2020/privacy-protecting-proximity-tracing-to-fight-corona.html | 19:44 |
| mefistofeles | that's where I got it from | 19:44 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, i also would appreciate a link, though. Google has several efforts in this direction and it's not very easy to figure out which one isn't just vague discussion | 19:44 |
| CyberManifest | MinceR: well, there are antioxidants in most food anyway, especially rich in Vitamin C | 19:45 |
| Blankspace | Ljl this is not good for our old people | 19:45 |
| LjL | Blankspace, what isn't? | 19:45 |
| Blankspace | Coronavirus spread | 19:46 |
| Blankspace | It is knocking at our home | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I attended #wirvsvirus hackathon a week or two ago, I didn't keep the links… 2 weeks ago there were public pads to draft data structures etc | 19:46 |
| LjL | okay | 19:46 |
| Blankspace | Reached our doorstep | 19:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the app was precisely what Neumann talked about in TV | 19:46 |
| Blankspace | Someone should take responsibility for this debacle | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 64byte (sic!) randomized ID per app, local storage, BLE meeting detection | 19:47 |
| Blankspace | I mean why didn't the spread was stopped where it began | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | timestamps (which I hope they changed from weird nonsense to unix like I suggested) | 19:48 |
| LjL | Blankspace, it kind of was. China's numbers are stable and now they are restricting entry from abroad. | 19:48 |
| Blankspace | How did they let so many Chinese outside of China | 19:48 |
| Blankspace | When they knew there was an outbreak | 19:49 |
| Raf[m] | italy's outbreak may have been caused by an italian person who visited china and returned home | 19:50 |
| Blankspace | It is not funny to think that so many lives has been lost and so many are in danger | 19:51 |
| Blankspace | Especially in countries with no resource | 19:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York bringing in more funeral directors after record deaths → https://is.gd/HiHW2h | 19:52 |
| mefistofeles | DocScrutinizer05: exactly like Bluetrace white paper | 19:54 |
| mefistofeles | they probably made a consensus on that | 19:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 17:59 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Brasile → https://is.gd/IvLchD | 20:04 |
| euod[m] | funeral directors? | 20:05 |
| euod[m] | there's no funerals. | 20:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +6203 cases (now 1577676), +1409 deaths (now 93636), +2279 recoveries (now 348192) since 20 minutes ago — France: +4799 cases (now 117749), +1341 deaths (now 12210), +1952 recoveries (now 23206) since 20 minutes ago — Canada: +881 cases (now 20690), +312 recoveries (now 5196) since 20 minutes ago | 20:09 |
| LjL | ugh | 20:09 |
| LjL | %seen python476 | 20:10 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: I last saw python476 at 2020-04-05 20:05:03 (3 days, 22:05:03 ago). | 20:10 |
| rager | hot take: Cats (2019) was actually good | 20:13 |
| rager | it it wasn't, I wouldn't be singing "magical mr mestofeles" in my head, would I? | 20:14 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, your site seems to be just blank now | 20:14 |
| LjL | tried in different browsers | 20:14 |
| tinwhiskers | R'oh roh | 20:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:09 UTC: (news): New York coronavirus daily death toll reaches third-straight record at 799, Gov. Cuomo says → https://is.gd/dBGd5e | 20:21 |
| storge | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEubPR36pzk | 20:24 |
| zirpu | local pot shop is out of my favorite edibles. woe is me. :-\ | 20:26 |
| linext | if 100,000 people from USA were to die as trump stated, that means 3.2 million would have gotten coronavirus | 20:26 |
| zirpu | "essential" business keeps on going. | 20:26 |
| lf94 | zirpu: make your own :v | 20:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:33 UTC: Prime Minister Boris Johnson released from intensive care: Boris Johnson is the first major governmental leader known to have contracted the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/0ZckYt | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1194 cases (now 1578870), +72 deaths (now 93708), +97 recoveries (now 348289) since 35 minutes ago — US: +779 cases (now 455454) since 35 minutes ago — Ohio, US: +364 cases (now 5512) since 35 minutes ago | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4356 cases (now 1583226), +900 deaths (now 94608) since 21 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +4344 cases (now 65077), +881 deaths (now 7978) since 21 minutes ago | 20:54 |
| ecov | how do i invoke the bot | 21:00 |
| ecov | !s | 21:00 |
| ThomCat[m] | !compare Wisconsin;Washington;Florida;Michigan;California;new jersey;new York;US;world | 21:02 |
| ThomCat[m] | 16,114 deaths, sheesh | 21:02 |
| navonod | !s | 21:03 |
| ecov | !compare Wisconsin;New York | 21:04 |
| ecov | hmm | 21:04 |
| navonod | does it only work for the USA? | 21:04 |
| rajrajraj | https://twitter.com/sehnaoui/status/1247516312915439616 | 21:05 |
| CatButtes[m] | !compare United Kingdom;Italy;Wuhan | 21:05 |
| ThomCat[m] | Nope, you can try different country codes/cities and see if it works | 21:05 |
| CatButtes[m] | !compare United Kingdom;Italy;Wuhan, China | 21:06 |
| CovBot | I cannot find a match for Wuhan, China | 21:06 |
| CatButtes[m] | !compare United Kingdom;Italy;Hubei, China | 21:06 |
| CovBot | I cannot find a match for Hubei, China | 21:06 |
| CatButtes[m] | ok, I will stop harassing the bot now | 21:07 |
| pwr22 | Odd the china stuff has gone | 21:07 |
| pwr22 | It used to have loads of provinces for it | 21:07 |
| pwr22 | CatButtes: feel free to harass the bot in PMs | 21:09 |
| CatButtes[m] | I will :P Just no sense in bugging everybody else with it! | 21:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2355 cases (now 1585581), +132 deaths (now 94740), +149 recoveries (now 348457) since 23 minutes ago — US: +1258 cases (now 456712), +117 deaths (now 16231) since 23 minutes ago — Michigan, US: +1158 cases (now 21504), +117 deaths (now 1076) since 23 minutes ago | 21:09 |
| pwr22 | <navonod "does it only work for the USA?"> The bot? No it is worldwide | 21:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:07 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson leaves intensive care as Dominic Raab warns of no early end to lockdown: Foreign secretary has not spoken to prime minister since Saturday; Boris Johnson making ‘positive steps’; Sir Patrick Vallance expects UK death rate to continue to increase for two weeks → https://is.gd/op40OP | 21:12 |
| navonod | !compare Vancouver;Toronto | 21:13 |
| CovBot | I cannot find a match for Vancouver | 21:14 |
| navonod | !compare Toronto;New York | 21:14 |
| CovBot | I cannot find a match for Toronto | 21:15 |
| navonod | !compare Toronto, Canada;New York | 21:15 |
| CovBot | I cannot find a match for Toronto, Canada | 21:15 |
| LjL | it doesn't have cities... also please use it in private messages | 21:15 |
| navonod | sorry LjL I didnt know that was an option | 21:17 |
| LjL | it's okay. it's fine to use it here but when you're trying it several times and it's not related to room discussion, it's best to just private message it | 21:17 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | Can lighting a candle prevents Covid-19 from spreading? | 21:22 |
| navonod | yes... so can a rich pastor's breath | 21:24 |
| pwr22 | <RamBadanSingh[m] "Can lighting a candle prevents C"> ... | 21:24 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "it doesn't have cities... also p"> Unless you're after UK stuff | 21:24 |
| navonod | my area in Ontario claims to have 20+ people recovered from covid but bot says 0 recovered cases | 21:25 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | <navonod "yes... so can a rich pastor's br"> What do you mean? | 21:25 |
| navonod | richest pastor of one of those megachurches in the southern US who 'blew the virus away' | 21:26 |
| lf94 | ...lol | 21:32 |
| tinwhiskers | RamBadanSingh[m]: in case you're really not just joking. NO, IT CAN NOT. | 21:32 |
| genera | how do i use this candle? does a tea light candle be enough? | 21:34 |
| tinwhiskers | genera: please don't even joke about such nonsense in case someone takes it seriously | 21:34 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: should start advertising #covid-19-ot or something (offtopic) | 21:35 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | <navonod "richest pastor of one of those m"> Same thing happening in India. Is there any relation between a Brahmin and a Pastor? | 21:35 |
| BruntLIVE | i have a tea cup, all i need now is a tea bag. Is that something that interest you? | 21:35 |
| lf94 | tinwhiskers: I think a lot of people don't realize the level of seriousness here | 21:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +490 cases (now 1586071), +3975 recoveries (now 352433) since 18 minutes ago — Germany: +3626 recoveries (now 49926) since 18 minutes ago — US: +389 cases (now 457101), +331 recoveries (now 24910) since 18 minutes ago | 21:36 |
| tinwhiskers | people don't have to be serious and can have a bit of fun but if that fun looks like misinformation then that's not acceptable. | 21:36 |
| lf94 | Put it near the beginning of topic: "Please no (even silly) misinformation." | 21:37 |
| lf94 | I'm just suggesting it because I'm seeing the behavior often enough too | 21:37 |
| tinwhiskers | mmm | 21:37 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | <tinwhiskers "genera: please don't even joke a"> If it's a joke, then it is being played on the people of India by their Prime Minister himself. | 21:39 |
| tinwhiskers | then lets make it very clear right now that it's a complete myth and whoever is pushing it is dangerously wrong. | 21:40 |
| genera | oh i didnt know. i know of Belarus though. they promote Wodka | 21:40 |
| genera | i think this is a certain phase in this pandemic. and will end in a few weeks | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: confirmed global cases pass 1.5m as US sees new record unemployment → https://is.gd/IObF5N | 21:43 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | ### Strategy of Prime Minister of India to fight Covid-19: Event management | 21:48 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | Poke fun at taali, thaali, diya and mombatti all you want. Modi couldn’t care less | 21:48 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | https://theprint.in/national-interest/poke-fun-at-taali-thaali-diya-and-mombatti-all-you-want-modi-couldnt-care-less/394961/ | 21:48 |
| robot109 | I saw on facebook today that they are using the 5G network as homing beacons for the Atlas Comet. It wont be long before the 2nd wave attack starts.... | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 19:58 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Ultimo aggiornamento per la sera → https://is.gd/6e6bvG | 22:01 |
| robot109 | okay, i will be more serious.. sorry | 22:04 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | ### Strategy of Prime Minister of India to fight Covid-19: Event management | 22:05 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | [Poke fun at taali, thaali, diya and mombatti all you want. Modi couldn’t care less](https://theprint.in/national-interest/poke-fun-at-taali-thaali-diya-and-mombatti-all-you-want-modi-couldnt-care-less/394961/) | 22:05 |
| robot109 | One thing though.. anyone noticing that the death rate appears to be 10%. I know that there is a lack of testing etc, but if you compare mortality with infections, it seems to be 10%, not 3% | 22:06 |
| lf94 | robot109: Yes, I noticed this in the earlier weeks. | 22:07 |
| lf94 | It is frightening. | 22:07 |
| robot109 | Maybe the figures are skewed, as they are testing more serious cases. | 22:08 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | > <@rbs13:matrix.org> ### Strategy of Prime Minister of India to fight Covid-19: Event management | 22:10 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | > [Poke fun at taali, thaali, diya and mombatti all you want. Modi couldn’t care less](https://theprint.in/national-interest/poke-fun-at-taali-thaali-diya-and-mombatti-all-you-want-modi-couldnt-care-less/394961/) | 22:10 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | Why India has lowest Covid-19 positives? | 22:10 |
| dzho | you mean, tested? | 22:11 |
| blkshp | !covid uk | 22:11 |
| CoronaBot | UK: Global rank: #8, cases: 65,077 (+4,344), fatalities: 7,978 (+881), active cases: 56,964, total recovered: 135, in a serious condition: 1,559. Mortality: 12.26%, case fatality rate: 98.34%, cases/1M: 959.0, deaths/1M: 118.0. Case rate: 5,491/24h, death rate: 938/24h. Tests: 298,169, tests/1M: 4,392. | 22:11 |
| blkshp | !covid england | 22:11 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[ERR] Country/state not found! | 22:11 |
| blkshp | Well that's crap | 22:11 |
| blkshp | :D | 22:11 |
| dzho | lol | 22:12 |
| blkshp | If this works, im going to have to batter the bot. | 22:12 |
| blkshp | !covid scotland | 22:12 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[ERR] Country/state not found! | 22:12 |
| blkshp | good. | 22:12 |
| ubLIX | haha | 22:12 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 22:12 |
| blkshp | or the bot maker ;) | 22:13 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | !covid in | 22:13 |
| CoronaBot | India: Global rank: #21, cases: 6,725 (+809), fatalities: 226 (+48), active cases: 5,879, total recovered: 620, in a serious condition: -. Mortality: 3.36%, case fatality rate: 26.71%, cases/1M: 5.0, deaths/1M: 0.2. Case rate: 565/24h, death rate: 18/24h. Tests: 177,584, tests/1M: 129. | 22:13 |
| CoronaBot | Indiana: State rank: #14, cases: 6,351 (+408), fatalities: 245 (+42), active cases: 6,092, mortality: 3.86%. Cases/1M: 957, deaths/1M: 37. Tests: 32,133, tests/1M: 4,841. | 22:13 |
| disillusion | have their been any mentions of the cuban responses? | 22:13 |
| disillusion | the Cubans rushed to the front lines during the ebola crisis in 2014 while the U.S. and U.K. cowered away. The Cubans have been doing it again with this virus. | 22:14 |
| disillusion | For example: | 22:14 |
| disillusion | http://www.cubanews.acn.cu/world/10557-cuban-nursing-brigade-will-face-covid-19-in-barbados | 22:14 |
| disillusion | Cuban Nursing Brigade will face COVID-19 in Barbados | 22:14 |
| disillusion | "According to the Ministry of Public Health (MINSAP by its Spanish acronym), Cuba has sent so far almost 600 health professionals to 15 nations to confront COVID-19." | 22:15 |
| disillusion | "The Cuban collaborators are in Venezuela, Nicaragua, Suriname, Belize, Jamaica, Granada, Italy, Haiti, Antigua and Barbuda, Saint Lucia, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Dominica and Andorra" | 22:15 |
| robot109 | India is in deep trouble. The Tablighi Jamaat had been spreading it everywhere.. | 22:15 |
| robot109 | !covid china | 22:17 |
| CoronaBot | China: Global rank: #6, cases: 81,865 (+63), fatalities: 3,335 (+2), active cases: 1,160, total recovered: 77,370, in a serious condition: 176. Mortality: 4.07%, case fatality rate: 4.13%, cases/1M: 57.0, deaths/1M: 2.0. Case rate: 63/24h, death rate: 2/24h. | 22:17 |
| disillusion | !covid cuba | 22:17 |
| CoronaBot | Cuba: Global rank: #86, cases: 515 (+58), fatalities: 15 (+3), active cases: 472, total recovered: 28, in a serious condition: 15. Mortality: 2.91%, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 45.0, deaths/1M: 1.0. Case rate: 61/24h, death rate: 1/24h. Tests: 9,410, tests/1M: 831. | 22:17 |
| disillusion | !covid venezuela | 22:17 |
| CoronaBot | Venezuela: Global rank: #119, cases: 171 (+4), fatalities: 9, active cases: 78, total recovered: 84, in a serious condition: 6. Mortality: 5.26%, case fatality rate: 9.68%, cases/1M: 6.0, deaths/1M: 0.3. Case rate: 1/24h, death rate: 2/24h. Tests: 139,282, tests/1M: 4,898. | 22:17 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | !covid India bihar | 22:17 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[ERR] Country/state not found! | 22:17 |
| robot109 | !covid china {the real figures please} | 22:18 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[ERR] Country/state not found! | 22:18 |
| disillusion | !covid saudi arabia | 22:18 |
| CoronaBot | Saudi Arabia: Global rank: #37, cases: 3,287 (+355), fatalities: 44 (+3), active cases: 2,577, total recovered: 666, in a serious condition: 41. Mortality: 1.34%, case fatality rate: 6.20%, cases/1M: 94.0, deaths/1M: 1.0. Case rate: 137/24h, death rate: 0/24h. | 22:18 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | !covid India/bihar | 22:18 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[ERR] Country/state not found! | 22:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:15 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The Guardian su Twitter: "Covid-19: Hundreds of UK care home deaths not added to official toll https://t.co/SnIOub9iPU" → https://is.gd/OaUyls | 22:18 |
| disillusion | !covid china | 22:18 |
| CoronaBot | China: Global rank: #6, cases: 81,865 (+63), fatalities: 3,335 (+2), active cases: 1,160, total recovered: 77,370, in a serious condition: 176. Mortality: 4.07%, case fatality rate: 4.13%, cases/1M: 57.0, deaths/1M: 2.0. Case rate: 63/24h, death rate: 2/24h. | 22:18 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | !covid India | 22:18 |
| CoronaBot | India: Global rank: #21, cases: 6,725 (+809), fatalities: 226 (+48), active cases: 5,879, total recovered: 620, in a serious condition: -. Mortality: 3.36%, case fatality rate: 26.71%, cases/1M: 5.0, deaths/1M: 0.2. Case rate: 565/24h, death rate: 18/24h. Tests: 177,584, tests/1M: 129. | 22:18 |
| robot109 | !covid russia | 22:19 |
| CoronaBot | Russia: Global rank: #18, cases: 10,131 (+1,459), fatalities: 76 (+13), active cases: 9,357, total recovered: 698, in a serious condition: 8. Mortality: 0.75%, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 69.0, deaths/1M: 0.5. Case rate: 1,175/24h, death rate: 5/24h. Tests: 1,004,719, tests/1M: 6,885. | 22:19 |
| disillusion | !covid mexico | 22:19 |
| CoronaBot | Mexico: Global rank: #38, cases: 3,181 (+396), fatalities: 174 (+33), active cases: 2,374, total recovered: 633, in a serious condition: 89. Mortality: 5.47%, case fatality rate: 21.56%, cases/1M: 25.0, deaths/1M: 1.0. Case rate: 346/24h, death rate: 16/24h. Tests: 25,410, tests/1M: 197. | 22:19 |
| robot109 | !covid bulgaria | 22:19 |
| CoronaBot | Bulgaria: Global rank: #79, cases: 618 (+25), fatalities: 24, active cases: 546, total recovered: 48, in a serious condition: 32. Mortality: 3.88%, case fatality rate: 33.33%, cases/1M: 89.0, deaths/1M: 3.0. Case rate: 16/24h, death rate: 1/24h. Tests: 15,899, tests/1M: 2,288. | 22:19 |
| Sanderski | !covid poland | 22:20 |
| CoronaBot | Poland: Global rank: #27, cases: 5,575 (+370), fatalities: 174 (+15), active cases: 5,117, total recovered: 284, in a serious condition: 160. Mortality: 3.12%, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 147.0, deaths/1M: 5.0. Case rate: 357/24h, death rate: 30/24h. Tests: 107,597, tests/1M: 2,843. | 22:20 |
| disillusion | !covid puerto rico | 22:20 |
| CoronaBot | Puerto Rico: State rank: #54, cases: 683 (+63), fatalities: 33 (+9), active cases: 646, mortality: 4.83%. Cases/1M: 202, deaths/1M: 10. Tests: 6,696, tests/1M: 1,977. | 22:20 |
| ubLIX | there were these, disillusion: Mar 29 18:25:19 <CoronaBot> /r/worldnews: US pressures countries to reject Cuban aid during coronavirus pandemic (3004 votes) | 22:20 |
| ubLIX | Mar 29 18:25:20 <CoronaBot> https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/us-pressures-countries-reject-cuban-aid-during-coronavirus-pandemic | https://redd.it/fr4zc1 | 22:20 |
| ubLIX | Apr 05 02:11:01 <CoronaBot> /r/worldnews: Cuban officials say a shipment of coronavirus aid from Asia's richest man, Jack Ma, has been blocked by the six-decade U.S. embargo on the island. (10362 votes) | https://redd.it/fv064j | 22:20 |
| ubLIX | probably some others | 22:20 |
| ubLIX | disillusion, Sanderski, robot109, RamBadanSingh[m], use the bot in PM | 22:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3732 cases (now 1589803), +215 deaths (now 94970), +631 recoveries (now 353064) since 47 minutes ago — US: +2347 cases (now 459448), +113 deaths (now 16359) since 47 minutes ago — Brazil: +1383 cases (now 17857), +102 deaths (now 941) since 47 minutes ago | 22:21 |
| robot109 | Anyone from china here??? | 22:21 |
| lf94 | I would be surprised | 22:22 |
| lf94 | 4:22am | 22:22 |
| robot109 | I cant believe wuhan has opened up the wet markets again. Its like round 2... | 22:22 |
| disillusion | thanks ubLIX. It's interesting to me how significant the Cuban response has been and how little it's discussed. | 22:22 |
| robot109 | I think Cuba even helped out Italy.. | 22:23 |
| disillusion | and just how obnoxious the United States has been towards Cuba (and Venezuela for that matter) even in the midst of this outbreak | 22:23 |
| disillusion | just a few weeks ago the U.S. was calling for increased sanctions on Venezuela | 22:24 |
| robot109 | oh, i forgot about Venezuela. Those guys could even buy toilet paper even long before corona | 22:24 |
| disillusion | and the USA had the IMF reject a $6 billion loan to Venezuela, which Venezuela requested for the virus | 22:24 |
| robot109 | ^couldnt | 22:24 |
| disillusion | I'm not sure about the toilet paper thing in Venzuela | 22:25 |
| robot109 | Their stores were empty because of the sanctions. | 22:25 |
| disillusion | but the U.S. has banned trade with Venezuela, plus speculators in Miami are notorious for rigging prices of products that make it to Venezuela to make things unnecessarily expensive | 22:25 |
| disillusion | the U.S. puts in a great deal of effort to ensure products don't make it into Venenzuela | 22:26 |
| robot109 | It's been going on a long time. They had lots of people fleeing to colombia | 22:26 |
| disillusion | yeah, those Columbians who moved to Venezuela when the oil prices were high and there was plenty of money to go around | 22:26 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | Modi the puppet master! Who are puppets? | 22:26 |
| rager | "biological warfare" | 22:26 |
| disillusion | then the colombians went back to Columbia, which the USA claimed were Venezuelans fleeing | 22:27 |
| rager | great power passive aggression | 22:27 |
| spybert | rager: This isn't biological warfare. The real thing would have finished off the West in a week | 22:27 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | <RamBadanSingh[m] "Modi the puppet master! Who are "> Indians | 22:28 |
| disillusion | all that the United States has to do to help Venzuela and Cuba with the coronavirus is lift sanctions and permit normal trade. The USA doesn't have to give anything. | 22:28 |
| robot109 | On that note, its too much of a coincidence that there is a viral lab in Wuhan. Of all places. | 22:28 |
| disillusion | but the free market bureaucrats in D.C. is hell-bent on their plans for Latin America so refuse to grant a permit for U.S. citizens to purchase Cuban and Venezuelan products. | 22:28 |
| disillusion | even in this time of pandemic | 22:28 |
| rager | I mean the way the USA is denying aid for Venezuela and Iran for years to break down the healthcare system | 22:28 |
| rager | and then make it so hard for them to get the medical care they need in a panedmic | 22:29 |
| robot109 | AID was offered to Iran, but they rejected it | 22:29 |
| rager | it's like passive aggressive biological warfare | 22:29 |
| lf94 | yep | 22:29 |
| disillusion | people have no idea how damaging it is to be banned from trading with many nations in this era of globalized production. | 22:29 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | <robot109 "AID was offered to Iran, but the"> Why? | 22:30 |
| disillusion | there's a TED talk about something as simple as a computer mouse actually being manufactured by several nations, and no one knows who the others are. | 22:30 |
| robot109 | well, i think China will find that out. They're on everyone's shit list | 22:30 |
| tinwhiskers | robot109: so on one hand if you're blaming the wet markets, and on the other blaming some sort of lab incident, it's not really clear what you think. | 22:30 |
| spybert | disillusion: This isn't really the place to discuss this deep political stuff. We all know the administration in the US is lame, and probably destined for the trash pile after the next election. | 22:30 |
| disillusion | so when the USA imposes sanctions, one little part in a computer mouse can't be sold in one nation, so that nation can't get computer mice. | 22:30 |
| tinwhiskers | robot109: you do realise "wet markets" are really just fish markets and similar things go on around the world. Now, there may be other things being sold at those markets that are not desirable, but wanting to close all wet markets (fish markets) is silly. | 22:31 |
| robot109 | Well, the media blames the wet markets, and yes, cross over can happen there. But the lab remains on the suspect list as well. | 22:31 |
| disillusion | spybert, this is in the context of the covid-19 responses around the world | 22:31 |
| tinwhiskers | lets try to keep the knee-jerk reactions and conspiracy theories to a minimum here then | 22:32 |
| rager | omg mr galaxybrain must be onto the CCP and their sekrit weaponz lab | 22:32 |
| disillusion | it's interesting for me to see right wingers in the United States saying the problem with the Communist Party of China is that they don't have strong enough government regulations over free trade. | 22:32 |
| disillusion | the USA is insisting that China regulates the fish markets more strongly | 22:33 |
| disillusion | I thought that small business owners have incentive to not cause a pandemic because it would be bad for their business reputation. | 22:33 |
| robot109 | with the computer mouse thing, I could have a pallet of them, and export them where I want. Customs are not going to check whats inside of them for each component. Otherwise, no one would own any cars, planes etc | 22:34 |
| disillusion | therefore, government regulations over markets aren't needed | 22:34 |
| rager | "help" https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/19/while-coronavirus-ravages-iran-us-sanctions-squeeze-it/ | 22:35 |
| tinwhiskers | disillusion: by that logic there would be no businesses in the west being closed down for the disgusting health standard breaches we see | 22:35 |
| disillusion | robot109, but the USA has people who look into every little part and punishes any business who profits from things purchased in Cuba, Venezuela, or Iran. | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:27 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Tony Connelly su Twitter: "Breaking: EU finance ministers have reached agreement on a European rescue plan. The ESM element has been agreed, the European Commission's SURE package, mobilising up to 100bn has been agreed, + the EIB pan European guarantee scheme has been agreed. Netherlands on board: source" → https://is.gd/sOrqt9 | 22:35 |
| ubLIX | disillusion: see tragedy of the commons - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons | 22:35 |
| tinwhiskers | the fact is there are people who run filthy food businesses around the world and these do require vigilance | 22:35 |
| rager | sure doesn't look like help, from here: https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/04/06/us-ease-sanctions-iran-covid-19-crisis# | 22:36 |
| tinwhiskers | however knee-jerk reactions like closing down all fish markets is ludicrous | 22:36 |
| disillusion | tinwhiskers, yes that's exactly what the political right in the United States advocates for. They claim that fear of a bad business reputation is enough to prevent bad business practices. | 22:36 |
| tinwhiskers | disillusion: yeah, ok :-/ | 22:36 |
| rager | yo, they just hate their mom for forcing them to eat fish when they didn't wanna | 22:37 |
| robot109 | That said, if people saw what goes into a macdonalds burger etc | 22:37 |
| rager | it's like, fish is nice | 22:37 |
| rager | why get rid of fish? | 22:37 |
| robot109 | Fish is okay, you can eat it raw.. | 22:38 |
| robot109 | apart from shellfish | 22:38 |
| robot109 | you can eat beef raw | 22:38 |
| tinwhiskers | oysters are frequently eaten raw | 22:38 |
| rager | you can eat... oh never mind | 22:38 |
| spybert | robot109: You might find that modern people don't care, as long as it meets medical safety standards | 22:38 |
| rager | we definitely have issues with sanitation in the supply chain | 22:39 |
| tinwhiskers | you can find a lot more disgusting things going on that looking at McDonalds. They are angels by comparison to some. | 22:39 |
| rager | how many times did we send people to the hospital spraying food out the other side from vegetables that had poop on em? | 22:39 |
| disillusion | I think the U.S. won't lift sanctions, even in a time of crisis, because it would reveal how quickly those economies would experience a "boom" and thus absolve the current government of responsibility for the previously weak economy. It has everything to do with government controls over trade and nothing else. | 22:40 |
| rager | it's not like the US food supply is a paragon of good health | 22:40 |
| tinwhiskers | disillusion: are you from cuba? | 22:40 |
| disillusion | this shows that the United States is more willing to spread the virus than to have it revealed that economic sanctions are the only cause of the economic problems in Cuba and Venezuela. | 22:40 |
| rager | I mean... Cuba's chillin | 22:41 |
| rager | they've got so many doctors | 22:41 |
| rager | and they're pro's at dealing with respiratory issues | 22:41 |
| rager | but they'll run out of doctors for saving other countries eventually | 22:41 |
| tinwhiskers | I think most of the world is rooting for cuba, just because of the US | 22:41 |
| robot109 | I thought things had got better with cuba and the US. Didnt Obama open things up, and Castro is gone | 22:41 |
| disillusion | tinwhiskers, I'm as American as apple pie | 22:41 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. ok | 22:42 |
| rager | sanctions are economic warfare | 22:42 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | covid india | 22:42 |
| spybert | robot109: The thing is Trump decided to reverse all of that. | 22:42 |
| disillusion | but I'm different from Americans in that I'm a free thinker | 22:42 |
| rager | anything Obama did, #45 is undoing | 22:42 |
| tinwhiskers | !cases india | 22:42 |
| tinwhiskers | %cases india | 22:42 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: In all areas, India, there are 6725 cases, 226 deaths (3.4% of cases), 620 recoveries as of 11 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 22:42 |
| tinwhiskers | crud | 22:42 |
| ubLIX | disillusion: Venezuela has been a governance mismanagement shit show for a while, sanctions or no | 22:42 |
| rager | plus, USA would never give up the red boogeyman off the Florida coast | 22:42 |
| CovBot | In India there have been a total of 6,725 cases as of 2020-04-09 20:31:00 UTC. Of these 5,879 (87.4%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 620 (9.2%) have definitely recovered and 226 (3.4%) have died. | 22:42 |
| tinwhiskers | welcome to the party CovBot | 22:43 |
| disillusion | ubLIX, things were going great when oil was over $70/barrel | 22:43 |
| rager | it might let Democrats steal some Cubans in FL | 22:43 |
| LjL | Hmm I just saw a headline about Italy and the UK receiving aid from Cuba and Venezuela, but I can't remember where I saw it (not that it's news to me, but I guess the article was making a point out of it) | 22:43 |
| rager | ubLIX: it's easy to manage a government well w/o being at war with the USA | 22:43 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | !cases india | 22:43 |
| rager | it's very expensive to fight an economic war with a bigger foe | 22:43 |
| CovBot | In India there have been a total of 6,725 cases as of 2020-04-09 20:31:00 UTC. Of these 5,879 (87.4%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 620 (9.2%) have definitely recovered and 226 (3.4%) have died. | 22:44 |
| spybert | rager: A lot of Cubans will vote republican no matter what because of the abortion issue. republicans might spit in their faces but they still won't vote against their religion. | 22:44 |
| rager | https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/17/italy-uk-help-cuba-china-venezuela-coronavirus-us-sanctions/ | 22:44 |
| spybert | rager: Make that Cuban-Americans :-) | 22:44 |
| robot109 | I dont think Venezuela can help anybody. I recently saw video footage of bodies piling up in some latin american country, that is, bodies in the streets | 22:45 |
| rager | can't verify veracity | 22:45 |
| LjL | rager: yeah that was probably the one I saw | 22:45 |
| disillusion | ubLIX, you call this mismanagement? (from 2007) http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18406119/ns/world_news-venezuela/t/chavez-venezuela-exit-imf-world-bank/ | 22:45 |
| rager | no affiliation with link, just the first from goggle | 22:45 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | !covid help | 22:45 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[ERR] Country/state not found! | 22:45 |
| disillusion | "Venezuela, one of the world’s top oil exporters, recently repaid its debts to the World Bank five years ahead of schedule, saving $8 million. It paid off all its debts to the IMF shortly after Chavez first took office in 1999. The IMF closed its offices in Venezuela late last year." | 22:45 |
| rager | you say that, but that doesn't hold across Catholics in general | 22:45 |
| rager | so you might find them more flexible on this than you imagine | 22:45 |
| hirogen | BBC - Horizon | 22:45 |
| hirogen | 2020: Coronavirus Special - Part 1 | 22:45 |
| LjL | rager: well I know from local news sources that we did get some aid (doctors, mainly) from Cuba | 22:45 |
| rager | especially under 40yo | 22:46 |
| Biep[m] | Oh, all right. | 22:46 |
| robot109 | I dont know why people like Chavez had on to power. Just pack some suitcases of money, and go to Mexico or something, and have a nice life there... | 22:46 |
| robot109 | hang onto power | 22:46 |
| ubLIX | disillusion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Venezuela | 22:47 |
| disillusion | LjL, https://thegrayzone.com/2020/03/17/italy-uk-help-cuba-china-venezuela-coronavirus-us-sanctions/ | 22:47 |
| disillusion | "Even the United Kingdom, one of the richest countries on the planet, has relied on Cuban help to contain the coronavirus." | 22:47 |
| disillusion | "The British government asked numerous countries in the Caribbean to let the cruise ship MS Braemar dock in their port, after there were several reports of coronavirus among its more than 1,000 passengers." | 22:47 |
| LjL | disillusion: yes thanks but rager just linked that :p | 22:47 |
| spybert | rager: Many of the Filipino catholics I have spoken with give that as their reason for supporting Trump :-( | 22:47 |
| disillusion | "Washington itself is working overtime to monopolize any potential treatments, so it can profit from them." | 22:48 |
| rager | eh, there's a reason that there've been anti-abortion holdouts in the democratic party | 22:48 |
| disillusion | quite an interesting difference in approaches between communist and capitalist governments | 22:48 |
| robot109 | Actuallu, I'm from Eastern Europe. They had gone full retro communist clampdown in terms for the lockdown. You need written permission just to go out. The thing is, it seems to be working in containing COVID | 22:50 |
| disillusion | it's good to see that we have billionaires to save us, since our governments are failures: | 22:50 |
| disillusion | Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates are stepping in on the coronavirus where the government has failed - The outbreak offers tech billionaires a chance to change the narrative about themselves. https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/3/10/21173864/mark-zuckerberg-bill-gates-coronavirus-billionaire-philanthropy | 22:50 |
| disillusion | notice the "government has failed" part | 22:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2811 cases (now 1592614), +86 deaths (now 95056), +76 recoveries (now 353140) since 32 minutes ago — US: +2732 cases (now 462180), +85 deaths (now 16444), +51 recoveries (now 24961) since 32 minutes ago — Massachusetts, US: +2151 cases (now 18941), +70 deaths (now 503) since 32 minutes ago | 22:51 |
| robot109 | Elon musk.. he's the only one making ventilators.. | 22:51 |
| robot109 | The others, they just sing Imagine, and complain about being bored in their mansions. | 22:52 |
| tinwhiskers | except for the other people making ventilators you are correct | 22:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:38 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: confirmed global cases pass 1.5m as Boris Johnson leaves intensive care → https://is.gd/IObF5N | 22:52 |
| LjL | robot109: it's not just ex-Communist countries, we need written permission to leave in Italy, same in France and I believe Spain | 22:53 |
| tinwhiskers | Boris made it. He can now work on the front lines and kiss babies | 22:53 |
| robot109 | I think the USA is going to be rekt. You have too many people who still treating this as a joke. | 22:54 |
| disillusion | has Tesla actually started to manufacture any ventilators yet? | 22:54 |
| disillusion | or was it all just talk? | 22:54 |
| disillusion | Musk ordered 1200 ventilators from China that the Chinese didn't need anymore. That's all I've heard. | 22:55 |
| tinwhiskers | disillusion: they have delivered the first of them now | 22:55 |
| robot109 | If you make an announcement that you're going to do it, you have to do it. The spot light is on you. In all fairness, he has the engineers and resources to do it. | 22:55 |
| graphine | hej | 22:55 |
| graphine | back from shopping with mask :-) | 22:56 |
| spybert | robot109: It's very hard to get people interested in disaster prepardness in general, not just biological threats. One big example is the solar storm/EMP threat, which everyone acknowledges but nobody is willing to spend money on | 22:56 |
| rager | is the armee vent legit? armeevent.com | 22:56 |
| rager | I mean... it looks very fly-by-night, but like | 22:56 |
| rager | does it vent? | 22:56 |
| disillusion | the spread is the U.S. appears to have flatlined | 22:57 |
| darsie | disillusion: You mean a constant infection rate? | 22:57 |
| robot109 | But the US is full of doomsday preppers, and when doomsday actually arrives, they're all like. Nah, I'm going back outside. I dont get it. | 22:57 |
| tinwhiskers | disillusion: I disagree unless by flatlined you mean kept increasing at a linear rate | 22:57 |
| rager | "flatline" is what things do when they die | 22:58 |
| disillusion | darsie, "The latest spike in deaths, which lag as an indicator of the virus’s spread, comes as the rate of hospitalizations in the city and state is dropping sharply." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-09/nyc-reports-record-824-deaths-from-coronavirus-in-24-hours | 22:58 |
| rager | linear instead of quadratic growth is not a flatline | 22:58 |
| rager | that's a diagonal line | 22:58 |
| tinwhiskers | :-) | 22:58 |
| darsie | s/quadratic/exponential | 22:58 |
| rager | you people keep applying derivatives and calling it a day | 22:58 |
| tinwhiskers | it's flat if your head is on a slant | 22:58 |
| tinwhiskers | e.g. if you're in bed | 22:59 |
| disillusion | robot109, I don't think of my fellow Americans as doomsday preppers so much as the usual "buy guns, ammo, and alcohol whenever something stressful happens" | 22:59 |
| rager | either way, it's only when that rate is down below the rate of cleared cases that usa's in the clear | 22:59 |
| disillusion | it's always guns and alcohol in the USA went something goes wrong | 22:59 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | !cases India | 22:59 |
| CovBot | In India there have been a total of 6,725 cases as of 2020-04-09 20:44:00 UTC. Of these 5,879 (87.4%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 620 (9.2%) have definitely recovered and 226 (3.4%) have died. | 22:59 |
| rager | guns, ammo, alcohol & isolation: a recipe for a suicide epidemic | 23:00 |
| robot109 | If I was in the US, I would be in my bunker with my AR-15, a years worth of porn, whiskey, and military rations, and be like, see you in 2021... | 23:00 |
| disillusion | I don't know of once instance when the frenzy to buy guns the USA has actually helped to solve any problem | 23:00 |
| spybert | robot109: The doomsday preppers are the exception. 99% of the population couldn't care less. | 23:00 |
| disillusion | lol rager | 23:00 |
| rager | isn't like... the single greatest cause of gun casualties self-harm? | 23:01 |
| robot109 | well, 80%. | 23:01 |
| rager | I mean, in USA | 23:01 |
| rager | outside of school | 23:01 |
| disillusion | crash of 2008: buy guns and alcohol. Obama (first black President) in 2009: buy guns and alcohol. Trump elected President in 2016, Democrats blame Russians: buy guns and alcohol. Coronvavirus of 2020: buy guns and alcohol. | 23:02 |
| disillusion | anyone else notice this pattern? | 23:02 |
| disillusion | it's the same thing every time | 23:02 |
| darsie | What's happening wiht all the guns? | 23:02 |
| disillusion | darsie, I think people just get drink and shoot off all their ammo, then the guns eventually rust away. | 23:03 |
| spybert | robot109: I wish I could do that :)) I have a wife with a medical job, and a kid in school, so I can't do that. | 23:03 |
| tinwhiskers | RamBadanSingh[m]: what part of India are you in? | 23:03 |
| disillusion | I've read somewhere that it's in the ammo where the big profits come from | 23:03 |
| robot109 | Get sold to pawn shops until the next emergency | 23:03 |
| disillusion | and thanks to the rise in feminism, girls are shooting zombie posters in their free time. | 23:04 |
| disillusion | lots of people play first person shooters, so have to do the real thing but to zombie posters | 23:04 |
| disillusion | I should say, cardboard cut-outs of zombie figures. | 23:04 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | <tinwhiskers "Ram Badan Singh: what part of In"> Are you an Indian? | 23:05 |
| robot109 | Man, i miss playing BattleField.. | 23:05 |
| tinwhiskers | RamBadanSingh[m]: no | 23:05 |
| disillusion | can we just admit that rushing to buy guns has never once been justified in the United States, and that it really just severs the gun and ammo manufacturers? | 23:05 |
| disillusion | *serves | 23:06 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | <tinwhiskers "Ram Badan Singh: no"> Then, why you want to know my location? | 23:06 |
| robot109 | What if Canada invades. You'll need guns then.. | 23:06 |
| disillusion | who here actually thinks the rush to buy guns and ammo as this virus broke out has actually done any good, or served any useful function? | 23:06 |
| disillusion | and the same goes for the crash of 2008, the first black President, and Trump getting elected. People rushed to guns in all those "stressful" incidents. | 23:07 |
| tinwhiskers | RamBadanSingh[m]: well you seem intent on hitting the bot for information on India every 10 minutes so I just thought maybe you were interested in discussing it. If you're not then please query the bot in private as it's not relevant to the conversation. | 23:07 |
| robot109 | to be fair though, each state is different, so it depends on the local mentality | 23:08 |
| robot109 | like florida, texas, utah etc. they love their guns there.. | 23:09 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | Are bots giving right information? | 23:09 |
| tinwhiskers | RamBadanSingh[m]: in any case, I am interested in what is happening in India despite me not living there. Not sure why you need to be so defensive. | 23:09 |
| disillusion | it's like Americans expect government to be totally incompetent and worthless when it's needed most | 23:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:04 UTC: Biologist Carl Bergstrom on coronavirus, misinformation and why we weren't prepared: There are a lot of information gaps when it comes to the COVID-19 coronavirus virus. University of Washington professor Carl Bergstrom is one of the scientists desperately trying to fill those gaps. → https://is.gd/zXT3kK | 23:09 |
| rager | it places money in circulation instead of letting it slow down | 23:10 |
| disillusion | and that our fellow Americans are going to rape and rob us as soon as government regulations are lifted | 23:10 |
| rager | that's a modicum of good, I guess | 23:10 |
| rager | one would hope that they've been socialized better than that | 23:10 |
| rager | but you'll find out | 23:10 |
| disillusion | it's only fear of government police that prevent us from robbing and murdering each other. This is what the rush to guns implies, I think. | 23:10 |
| rager | well, hopefully you won't have to find out | 23:10 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | <tinwhiskers "Ram Badan Singh: in any case, I "> How you deduced that? | 23:11 |
| tinwhiskers | RamBadanSingh[m]: I was just trying to start a conversation with you. I'm sorry I asked. | 23:11 |
| rager | disillusion: that's too simple | 23:11 |
| disillusion | this L.A. Times article shows the American mentality: https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-03-15/coronavirus-pandemic-gun-sales-surge-us-california | 23:12 |
| rager | fear alone doesn't make a society - people play by the rules because they believe it works better than not doing it | 23:12 |
| disillusion | One trucker, who was headed to Arizona, bought $2,500 worth of firearms and ammunition, and another trucker, who was headed to Illinois, dropped $200 on ammunition alone. “You got to be protected for all sorts of stuff,” Stone said. “Seems like the world has gone mad.” | 23:12 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | <tinwhiskers "Ram Badan Singh: I was just tryi"> You can ask? | 23:12 |
| disillusion | “Politicians and anti-gun people have been telling us for the longest time that we don’t need guns,” said John Gore, 39, part of the crush of customers in recent days. “But right now, a lot of people are truly scared, and they can make that decision themselves.” | 23:13 |
| rager | an American mentality | 23:13 |
| CatButtes[m] | Scared people and firearms seems a bad mix | 23:13 |
| rager | they don't trust in the usual safeguards of civil society when things go to shit | 23:13 |
| disillusion | Trump, Jr. said on twitter: "The irony of it all is that it’s my Democrat friends reaching out to me now asking me which guns they should buy just in case... in particular which ARs." | 23:14 |
| rager | that's also why people hoard toilet paper and pasta | 23:14 |
| rager | it'd be nice if it weren't so easy to get em | 23:14 |
| rager | like that guy even knows what gun to get | 23:14 |
| disillusion | I found an interesting quote here: https://www.newsweek.com/guns-coronavirus-fbi-background-checks-sales-1493114 | 23:15 |
| disillusion | "I've been in the business for 10 years and I've never seen it like this," Mark Healy, the owner of a self-titled dealership in Tempe, Arizona, said. "Not even after the shooting at Sandy Hook when they were talking about taking guns away." | 23:16 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | Can a person develops antibodies against Covid-19 in his body? | 23:16 |
| disillusion | Ryan Staehle, the manager at Shoot Wise, located across the Mississippi River from New Orleans, told Newsweek. "I would say around 70 percent of these customers are first-time gun owners, which has never happened like this before. This is a different animal." | 23:16 |
| disillusion | "They come in and mention the coronavirus," he said. "I've had people come in and they're just panicked and they want to get something." | 23:17 |
| AimHere | RamBadanSingh[m], yes, That's generally how the immune system works | 23:17 |
| disillusion | there's actually a reason for people to think government has stopped functioning from this quote: | 23:18 |
| disillusion | "I think people are concerned that law enforcement agencies are making announcements that they're not going to make arrests for nonviolent crimes. I think there are very real concerns about the uncertainty and that makes people want to take stock of their ability to protect themselves and their families." | 23:18 |
| disillusion | nonviolent = home robbery? | 23:19 |
| darsie | robbery is violent by definition. | 23:19 |
| darsie | Maybe burglary. | 23:19 |
| tinwhiskers | Level of IL-6 predicts respiratory failure in hospitalized symptomatic COVID-19 patients: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.01.20047381v1.full.pdf - possible therapy using anti-IL-6 antibodies. | 23:19 |
| disillusion | now contrast this gun frenzy and paranoia in the United States with the communist Cubans rallying around the medical professionals, plus exporting some medical professionals to help other nations in need. | 23:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1700 cases (now 1594314), +2057 recoveries (now 355197) since 37 minutes ago — Germany: +1278 cases (now 116801), +1850 recoveries (now 52407) since 37 minutes ago — United Arab Emirates: +331 cases (now 2990) since 37 minutes ago | 23:21 |
| disillusion | this is such a remarkable tale of two nations | 23:21 |
| disillusion | I'm just astounded that the mainstream media organizations around the world aren't noticing this | 23:22 |
| tinwhiskers | it's in the media. | 23:22 |
| disillusion | there's actually an alternative reaction to stress. One that doesn't involve getting paranoid about our neighbors and clinging to guns. | 23:22 |
| disillusion | and lol getting drunk | 23:22 |
| disillusion | what better contrast is there than focused, sober medical professionals during a pandemic, and people getting drunk? | 23:23 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | <AimHere "Ram Badan Singh, yes, That's gen"> Then, why we are not exposing ourselves to Coronavirus to develop antibodies against them in our body? | 23:23 |
| AimHere | RamBadanSingh[m], because that makes people ill | 23:24 |
| AimHere | The way to do that safely is with a vaccine, which stimulates antibodies without actually giving them the disease that might well kill them | 23:24 |
| AimHere | It's also not clear how long immunity to covid19 lasts | 23:25 |
| tinwhiskers | Here's an interesting correlation: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/04/09/world/science-health-world/fewer-coronavirus-deaths-seen-countries-mandate-tuberculosis-vaccine/#.Xo-SmvzRXHp | 23:25 |
| AimHere | It might be that you recover from Covid19 this year, but next year's strain is different enough that you're not immune. That's the case for flu | 23:25 |
| tinwhiskers | (Fewer coronavirus deaths seen in countries that mandate tuberculosis vaccine) | 23:25 |
| tinwhiskers | AimHere: evidence to date is that it is not a fast changing virus like influenza so that is unlikely | 23:26 |
| tinwhiskers | also, because the R0 is well above 1 seasonality doesn't have such an active role | 23:26 |
| AimHere | Sure, the signs are there, but catching the disease to make yourself immune is still a super-risky strategy, and indistinguishable from letting the plague kill everybody it wants to | 23:27 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, agreed | 23:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:06 UTC: Watch live: Coronavirus task force holds briefing as some hard hit areas see signs of hope: Members of the coronavirus task force are expected to hold a press briefing Thursday, in what has become a daily affair amid signs that the curve is flattening in some hard-hit areas. → https://is.gd/99UF8l | 23:27 |
| tinwhiskers | that's extremely foolish | 23:27 |
| AimHere | The TB thing is weird. I suspect that it's a common cause. Maybe the countries where TB is more common both a) vaccinate and b) avoid behaviour that transmits viruses | 23:28 |
| AimHere | I doubt it's a case of the TB vaccine happens to work against covid19. That would be too weird | 23:29 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, that's why I made it clear it was just a correlation | 23:29 |
| rager | I've been told that your actual exposure level and initial viral load are actually correlated with intensity of symptoms | 23:29 |
| rager | which suggests that avoiding contact is a great way to make sure that if you're exposed, you've got a lower starting viral load | 23:30 |
| tinwhiskers | rager: that seems to be the case | 23:30 |
| rager | avoiding contact, doing hygiene, etc | 23:30 |
| rager | Ram Badan Singh: that's why you might try avoiding exposure | 23:30 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | Don't spread corporate vultures views as news. | 23:31 |
| tinwhiskers | o.O | 23:31 |
| rager | https://www.history.com/.image/t_share/MTU3ODc3NjU1OTQxMDMxNjQ3/george-w-bush-declares-mission-accomplished.jpg | 23:31 |
| graphine | back | 23:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Another drug entering the testing pipeline: The FDA-approved Drug Ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011) | 23:34 |
| graphine | beer time | 23:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Ivermectin is a worm and parasite drug used on livestock, btw | 23:34 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | <rager "Ram Badan Singh: that's why you "> Have I said, anything wrong? | 23:34 |
| graphine | i hope beer is permitted :-) cheers | 23:35 |
| rager | apparently, ivermectin is very common: https://www.1800petmeds.com/productw.jsp?id=prod10002 | 23:37 |
| tinwhiskers | We use Ivermectin on our chickens to control mites and on pigs and sheep for internal parasites. It's easily obtained from agricultural supplies in vast quantities so that would be a nice one if it pans out. | 23:37 |
| tinwhiskers | It's off-label for use in humans though so don't go trying it :-/ | 23:38 |
| graphine | you have chicken tinwhiskers ? | 23:38 |
| rager | is this the real reason dogs don't get infected by sars-cov-2? | 23:38 |
| tinwhiskers | Well, I did before I moved to Tonga | 23:38 |
| graphine | tonga? the island? | 23:38 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, the islands | 23:38 |
| stinkpot | hmm invermectin? | 23:38 |
| graphine | yikes | 23:39 |
| graphine | now that is awesome | 23:39 |
| stinkpot | oh it is Ivermectin | 23:39 |
| stinkpot | i was spelling it wrong before | 23:39 |
| stinkpot | that's a head lice drug | 23:39 |
| tinwhiskers | right, that too | 23:39 |
| graphine | sounds like anti-biotica | 23:39 |
| graphine | i better drink a 2nd beer before i may get seriously sick | 23:42 |
| RamBadanSingh[m] | Covid-19, Place of birth: 🇨🇳 China | 23:43 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: In-person voting was likely a 'disaster' for Wisconsin's efforts to flatten coronavirus curve, national experts say (10220 votes) | https://redd.it/fxtt35 | 23:43 |
| graphine | oh | 23:44 |
| graphine | i like wisconsin | 23:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:43 UTC: /u/slakmehl: In France, unexplained deaths, ventricular arrhythmias and other serious cardiac events are presenting in patients taking Hydroxychloroquine therapeutically, casting further doubt on it's suitability as a treatment for covid-19. → https://is.gd/MDv0wi | 23:45 |
| tinwhiskers | That'd be a shame that hydroxychloroquine is no good except that it might teach Trump not to count your chickens before they have hatched. | 23:47 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, right, you can't teach Trump anything. | 23:48 |
| kPa | I think the hydroxochloroquine was just a thing for world leaders to put on for show to make people feel like something is being accomplished | 23:50 |
| tinwhiskers | were there any other world leaders that were putting it on show? I think there was one other country I heard of. | 23:51 |
| kPa | If I recall Brazil was | 23:52 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, that might be it | 23:52 |
| graphine | dont dream it be it | 23:52 |
| LjL | we were using it, we are using it | 23:53 |
| LjL | don't think we're bragging about it | 23:53 |
| LjL | it may not work, but i think that'll be mainly due to biochemistry rather than world leadership going stale | 23:53 |
| tinwhiskers | o.O | 23:54 |
| kPa | I know I saw several leaders proclaiming it | 23:54 |
| graphine | i LjL you did a great job with posting the info about the press conference ealier | 23:54 |
| graphine | thanks for that LjL | 23:54 |
| stinkpot | would you rather be intubated and drugged on a ventilator or have a cardiac event? | 23:55 |
| stinkpot | honestly i'd have to think about that one | 23:55 |
| stinkpot | i think i'd take my chances with hcq if the time were right | 23:55 |
| LjL | graphine, no worries, i do that mostly every day, except when i can't or i'm busy or i just don't want to hear another boring press conference | 23:55 |
| graphine | at least i wear a mask in the store tonight LjL | 23:55 |
| tinwhiskers | early days. It might still save more lives than it takes. | 23:55 |
| stinkpot | i have seen a lot of stories of skin-related side effects with chloroquine | 23:56 |
| graphine | but my mask sucks it gets wet easily maybe i should ass another layer to it | 23:56 |
| tinwhiskers | :-/ | 23:56 |
| graphine | chloroquin has side effects on g6pd defiancy | 23:56 |
| graphine | stinkpot, | 23:57 |
| LjL | kPa, one interpretation i can give of that is that it actually seemed the most promising medical treatment at the time, and those leaders were advised to brag about it so as to make the people connect the lifesaver drug with their person, as if they were the ones finding the cure | 23:57 |
| graphine | i italy a lot of people have that g6pd | 23:57 |
| LjL | that would be consistent with both shitty leadership, and medical soundness | 23:57 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 23:57 |
| stinkpot | wow that sounds bad graphine | 23:57 |
| graphine | so they have to be aware of not using it | 23:57 |
| kPa | LjL yeah I agree with that assessment | 23:58 |
| graphine | it causes dying of red blood cells | 23:58 |
| graphine | btw i like how you guys drive this channel here | 23:58 |
| graphine | lots of infos nearly no conspiration theories | 23:59 |
| graphine | wonderful! | 23:59 |
| stinkpot | ljl : https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-21599/v1 , there haven't been many cases of complete anosmia according to this paper | 23:59 |
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