libera/##covid-19/ Thursday, 2020-04-30

BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:52 UTC: (news): Prosecutors oppose Martin Shkreli's coronavirus early prison release bid, call him 'delusional,' greedy → https://is.gd/e9iCrV00:02
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 21:58 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Remdesivir: early findings on experimental coronavirus drug offer 'quite good news' → https://is.gd/eMBa1b00:09
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:19 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Silver su Twitter: "US daily numbers via @COVID19Tracking: Newly reported deaths: Today: 2,700* Yesterday: 2,198 One week ago (4/22): 2,037 Newly reported cases: T: 28K Y: 24K 4/22: 28K Newly reported tests: T: 230K Y: 202K 4/22: 314K Share of tests positive: T: 12% Y: 12% 4/22: 9% * New high" → https://is.gd/uCvmLZ00:23
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: NT set to announce easing of restrictions as Virgin creditors meet – latest updates → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B00:44
ubLXIbah: "While the study did meet its primary goal, the promising NIAID data are from an interim analysis. The trial’s final results will likely not be known until sometime next month."01:00
ubLXIfrom: https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-gilead-data/explainer-what-does-new-data-say-about-gileads-experimental-coronavirus-drug-idUSL1N2CH2W301:00
BrainstormUpdates for US: +2675 cases (now 1057978), +316 deaths (now 61428) since 2 hours ago — Pennsylvania, US: +712 cases (now 45728), +159 deaths (now 2354) since 6 hours ago — Connecticut, US: +455 cases (now 26767), +79 deaths (now 2168) since a day ago01:06
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:04 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: report shows Ruby Princess was ‘ground zero’ for Tasmania outbreak – latest news → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B01:12
LjLubLXI, it's nice we get all these early newspaper results but the actual data that will be useful to understand whether re-opening makes sense will only be available well after re-opening01:14
LjLlike in general, not just this study, ours too01:14
LjLand the NY study01:14
ubLXIthe NIAID remdesivir study results will be interesting, sure, but not looking significant enough is to influence re-opening decisions01:19
LjLno, as i said, it was kind of more generalized sarcasm01:20
LjLmeanwhile, this virus may not be a conspiracy or a bioweapon01:25
LjLbut China sure is taking advantage of the chance to shut down Hong Kong, Tibet and Xinjiang like in one swoop01:26
friedbathttps://www.wwlp.com/news/local-news/hampden-county/two-more-veterans-pass-away-at-soldiers-home-in-holyoke-bringing-total-to-82-deaths/01:26
LjLjust like Uganda took it as a chance to persecute a bunch of gay youth, just, on a different scale01:26
friedbat^^ horrible story01:26
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: Trump says distancing guidelines will 'fade out' as US deaths pass 60,000 → https://is.gd/xJXCyV01:33
Jigsy%cases world01:38
BrainstormUpdates for US: +2014 cases (now 1059992), +80 deaths (now 61508) since 35 minutes ago — Brazil: +1199 cases (now 79361) since 2 hours ago — Colorado, US: +442 cases (now 14758) since a day ago01:38
BrainstormJigsy: In all areas, worldwide, there are 3.2 million total cases (0.0% of the population) and 227933 deaths (7.1% of cases) as of 3 minutes ago. 31.6 million tests were performed (10.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 18.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=worldwide for time series data.01:38
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: report shows Ruby Princess was ‘ground zero’ for Tasmania outbreak – latest news → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B01:47
Butterfly^https://i.imgur.com/vx0IJTz.jpg01:48
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Almost half of Americans say that presidential coronavirus briefings are not an important source of information, poll shows (10213 votes) | https://redd.it/gaetru01:50
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 23:48 UTC: Coronavirus: How does contact tracing work and is my data safe?: Millions in the UK will soon be asked to download an app that helps to limit coronavirus spreading. → https://is.gd/KGOiZI01:54
BrainstormUpdates for US: +3359 cases (now 1063351), +110 deaths (now 61618) since 20 minutes ago — California, US: +2059 cases (now 48565), +66 deaths (now 1939) since 7 hours ago — New York, US: +1072 cases (now 306158) since 7 hours ago01:54
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:55 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: report shows Ruby Princess was ‘ground zero’ for Tasmania outbreak – latest news → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B02:01
ubLXIcan't wait to see how UK's version of contact tracing app go down; from that BBC article: "The UK app will use a centralised model, meaning the matching process will take place on a computer server", "For those without smartphones, an alternative could be a Bluetooth-enabled wristband", "It says the information gathered will only ever be used for health and research purposes, and that the app can be deleted at any time"02:08
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: six new mobile testing locations to open across Melbourne – latest news → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B02:15
dTala centralized goverment database of who I've been associating with at all times, whether or not I'm sick? yeah they can f*** right off with that02:28
dTalthey rejected the nearly-zero-knowledge Apple/Google system, on the grounds that they "wanted more insight into its spread"02:29
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 00:30 UTC: (news): Dr. Anthony Fauci says Gilead's remdesivir will set a new 'standard of care' for coronavirus treatment → https://is.gd/p2AX8Q02:36
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 00:46 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Coronavirus Pathology: Galectin-3, Hemoglobin, Cytokines | Arachidonic Acid Pathway Causing Strokes? → https://is.gd/yTkXyD02:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:02 UTC: (news): Los Angeles becomes the first major city in the US to offer free coronavirus testing for all residents, Mayor Eric Garcetti says → https://is.gd/eyXUXo03:04
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:04 UTC: (news): Coronavirus updates: Australia links outbreak to cruise ship; US cases top 1 million → https://is.gd/YA6qUO03:11
storgehttps://www.whoop.com/thelocker/podcast-71-members-fighting-covid-1903:12
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:44 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: Victoria reports cluster of cases at Melbourne aged care home – latest news → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B03:53
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus updates: Australia links outbreak to cruise ship; US cases top 1 million → https://is.gd/YA6qUO04:07
LjLdTal, ubLXI what are the chances they won04:20
LjLt make it exactly optional in the UK?04:20
LjLi doubt they can make it compulsory for all people, but they could definitely make it mandatory for things like i dunno, accessing public transport04:20
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:13 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: Victoria reports cluster of cases at Melbourne aged care home – latest news → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B04:21
ubLXIif they were really evil, they would integrate the app into online tax filing/tax credit/welfare systems04:28
LjLnot sure what is hidden and what isn't here but i'm posting it https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/495295-florida-ordered-coroners-to-stop-releasing-coronavirus-death-data-report04:33
LjLubLXI, "if"?04:33
ubLXIi don't what the odds are of them being able to make it mandatory; can't see that being enforceable by the planned roll-out time, the middle of may. might just go the way of most online factors: life becomes incidentally more difficult for those who wish remain offline04:34
ubLXI*i don't know04:34
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network * at 02:35 UTC: ljl-covid: Add article on monoclonal antibodies → https://is.gd/Xi1FOc04:42
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus updates: South Korea reports zero local infections; Chinese ride-hailing giant Didi resumes services in Wuhan → https://is.gd/YA6qUO04:49
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network * at 02:55 UTC: ljl-covid: Change date, as the article has been updated → https://is.gd/qsmC5G05:03
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:15 UTC: Australia coronavirus live updates: Andrew Forrest reportedly making bid for Virgin Australia – latest news: Cluster of Covid cases at Melbourne aged care home, as Northern Territory eases restrictions, and department says it never told minister there had been a MyGov website hack. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B05:25
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: "Reinfected" patients were actually false positives due to 'dead' virus fragments, refuting reinfection - SKorea experts (10002 votes) | https://redd.it/ga7rpq05:27
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:35 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump says China wants him to lose election as South Korea records no domestic cases: Concern over 100 cases of unusual illness among children in at least six countries; UK deaths top Spain and France; Trump won’t extend social distancing rules. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/qbIALd05:39
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus updates: South Korea reports zero local infections; Chinese ride-hailing giant Didi resumes services in Wuhan → https://is.gd/YA6qUO05:46
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:50 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump says China wants him to lose election as South Korea records no domestic cases: Concern over 100 cases of unusual illness among children in at least six countries; UK deaths top Spain and France; Trump won’t extend social distancing rules. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/qbIALd06:00
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:00 UTC: Covid-19: What has the BCG vaccine got to do with it? - podcast: Sarah Boseley talks to Prof Helen McShane about why there has been interest in the tuberculosis vaccine and whether it could play a role in protecting us against Covid-19 → https://is.gd/dyaDZw06:14
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:14 UTC: (news): Coronavirus updates: South Korea reports zero local infections; Chinese ride-hailing giant Didi resumes services in Wuhan → https://is.gd/YA6qUO06:21
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: IEA predicts dismal energy outlook, China's Didi resumes services in Wuhan → https://is.gd/YA6qUO06:28
Bert30A Special Report by Peter R. Breggin MD @realDonaldTrump #WWG1WGA #KAG #TRUMP American researchers and Chinese Wuhan Institute of Virology researchers collaborated to transform an animal #coronavirus into one that can attack humans. #COVID19https://youtu.be/Y4E90SCSqS0 via @YouTube06:32
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: WATCH: Los Angeles Becomes The First Major City In The US To Offer Free Testing To Every Resident, Even Those With No Symptomss (10812 votes) | https://redd.it/galk2a06:33
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:32 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live updates: ACT known active cases down to zero, as Andrew Forrest reportedly making bid for Virgin Australia – latest news → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B06:42
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:50 UTC: Coronavirus live news: South Korea records no new domestic cases for first time since February: Trump claims China wants to block his re-election; 100 cases of unusual illness among children in at least six countries; UK deaths top Spain and France. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/qbIALd06:56
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 05:02 UTC: European markets set to open higher on coronavirus treatment hopes: European markets are set to open higher Thursday as global markets are buoyed by trials of a potentially effective coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/JvA8e407:10
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:07 UTC: Coronavirus live news: South Korea records no new domestic cases for first time since February: Trump claims China wants to block his re-election; 100 cases of unusual illness among children in at least six countries; UK deaths top Spain and France. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/qbIALd07:17
tempfile%cases Guiana07:26
Brainstormtempfile: In all areas, French Guiana, there are 125 total cases (0.0% of the population) and 1 deaths (0.8% of cases) as of 14 minutes ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 1.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=French%20Guiana for time series data.07:26
sookelvin[m]%cases malaysia07:28
Brainstormsookelvin[m]: In all areas, Malaysia, there are 5945 total cases (0.0% of the population) and 100 deaths (1.7% of cases) as of 16 minutes ago. 154203 tests were performed (3.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 2.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data.07:28
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live updates: ACT known active cases down to zero, as Andrew Forrest reportedly making bid for Virgin Australia – live news → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B07:31
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 05:35 UTC: Global COVID Cases For 30APR20: | Source: Wikipedia | Larger Version | Notes || | Day to Day | Update Figures | Up + Down _ || → https://is.gd/3QYBpx07:38
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:38 UTC: Coronavirus live news: South Korea records no new domestic cases for first time since February: Trump claims China wants to block his re-election; 100 cases of unusual illness among children in at least six countries; UK deaths top Spain and France. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/qbIALd07:45
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:26 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live updates: ACT known active cases down to zero, as Andrew Forrest reportedly making bid for Virgin Australia – live news → https://is.gd/WWgQ5B08:35
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 06:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: IEA predicts dismal energy outlook, China's Didi resumes services in Wuhan → https://is.gd/YA6qUO08:42
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson to lead daily briefing for first time since illness → https://is.gd/0Mxsbn08:49
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:54 UTC: Coronavirus live news: South Korea records no new domestic cases for first time since February: Trump claims China wants to block his re-election; 100 cases of unusual illness among children in at least six countries; UK deaths top Spain and France → https://is.gd/qbIALd09:03
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:07 UTC: European markets open higher on coronavirus treatment hopes: European markets opened higher Thursday as global markets are buoyed by trials of a potentially effective coronavirus treatment. → https://is.gd/JvA8e409:10
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:15 UTC: Coronavirus live news: South Korea records no new domestic cases for first time since February: Trump claims China wants to block his re-election; 100 cases of unusual illness among children in at least six countries; UK deaths top Spain and France → https://is.gd/qbIALd09:31
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: IEA predicts dismal energy outlook, China's Didi resumes services in Wuhan → https://is.gd/YA6qUO09:52
BrainstormUpdates for Russia: +7099 cases (now 106498), +101 deaths (now 1073) since 23 hours ago — US: +1221 cases (now 1064572), +51 deaths (now 61669) since 8 hours ago — Mexico: +1047 cases (now 17799), +163 deaths (now 1732) since a day ago09:52
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:04 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/ouI8l010:06
mefistofelessuch a dead channel :P10:09
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:11 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Corea del Sud → https://is.gd/0DNgpZ10:13
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:26 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/aVrWWw10:27
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:35 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Società → https://is.gd/BRSS3910:41
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:47 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Cina - Wuhan → https://is.gd/pQFYiK10:48
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:51 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Società → https://is.gd/LZ5Hm610:55
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 08:59 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/GJgdh211:03
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 09:08 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Svizzera → https://is.gd/nhNwu911:10
mefistofeleshttps://www.quantamagazine.org/what-can-other-coronaviruses-tell-us-about-sars-cov-2-20200429/ nice summary11:24
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 09:30 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Svezia → https://is.gd/tzrZqL11:31
mefistofelesuh, matrix did it again11:35
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 09:31 UTC: European markets whipsaw as investors react to economic data and coronavirus treatment hopes: European markets traded slightly lower Thursday morning as investors react to news of a potentially effective coronavirus treatment while monitoring corporate earnings and economic data. → https://is.gd/JvA8e411:41
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 09:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Calabria → https://is.gd/M5Wef411:45
mefistofelesLjL: is it me or Brainstorm is more floody now?11:47
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 09:50 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - California → https://is.gd/iedfIn11:52
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 09:53 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Indonesia → https://is.gd/1D3hW812:01
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 10:05 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Unione Europea → https://is.gd/TU65VS12:06
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:09 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Euro zone economy sinks; Spain's daily deaths at lowest tally in nearly 6 weeks: The euro zone took a sharp hit to its economy in the first quarter, data released Thursday shows, and everyone is talking about the coronavirus' infection rate as lockdowns are slowly lifted. → https://is.gd/YA6qUO12:13
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 10:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Boris Johnson to update UK on 'steps to defeat' the disease → https://is.gd/Bsh3iS12:20
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 10:23 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - Economia → https://is.gd/8eeoVa12:27
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:25 UTC: (news): Sweden had no lockdown but its economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors → https://is.gd/3eg1rk12:34
woody[m]does seem floody...12:37
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 10:45 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Clima → https://is.gd/BSAPIg12:48
aradeshit's pretty impressive how the USA were ranked #1 for being the country most prepared to handle a health crisis, and then also managed to become the #1 infected country. some interesting leadership there.12:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:52 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Euro zone economy sinks; Spain's daily deaths at lowest tally in nearly 6 weeks: The euro zone took a sharp hit to its economy in the first quarter, data released Thursday shows, and everyone is talking about the coronavirus' infection rate as lockdowns are slowly lifted. → https://is.gd/YA6qUO12:55
generauh who ranked them?12:55
aradeshprobably the WHO or maybe some USA's own research teams, not sure12:56
aradeshit makes sense though. they're very wealthy, have some of the best hospitals, researchers, etc12:56
aradeshso on the surface you'd think they'd be very well positioned to handle such a thing12:57
aradeshbut in the early days of the virus trump was bragging about how the USA had recently been ranked as #1 for being prepared for a health crisis12:58
aradeshit seems only now a matter of a short number of days until the UK overtakes italty for highest death toll outside of the USA12:59
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 11:00 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Economia → https://is.gd/3EoLfR13:02
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 11:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Boris Johnson to update UK on 'steps to defeat' the disease → https://is.gd/Bsh3iS13:09
generawell if it was his ranking, a ranking by him, then he has to rank a new one and afaik he does not13:13
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:09 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Euro zone economy sinks; Spain's daily deaths at lowest tally in nearly 6 weeks: The euro zone took a sharp hit to its economy in the first quarter, data released Thursday shows, and everyone is talking about the coronavirus' infection rate as lockdowns are slowly lifted. → https://is.gd/YA6qUO13:16
ThomCat[m]We're #1 in defense spending and that's fuckin' it.13:19
mefistofelesaradesh: I don't think USA is ranked #1 in terms of health care in anyone's book, not even trump's :P13:20
mefistofelesthis is really evident13:20
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:18 UTC: (news): Sweden had no lockdown but its economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors → https://is.gd/3eg1rk13:23
aradeshmefistofeles: depends on the measure. it's gonna be up there though. very wealthy country, some of the best hospitals, best equipment, best facilities13:24
aradeshquestionable how available these services are to everyone but13:24
aradeshstill can't be denied13:25
generabest facilitis without PEE because the government impounds it?13:25
aradeshsure. so it's quite impressively how badly they've handled the virus outbreak, given their extremely strong position that they started from13:26
aradeshimpressive*13:26
aradeshsat on their ass hoping the virus would go away because "muh economy"13:27
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 11:36 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Europa - Economia → https://is.gd/mrG1KE13:37
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 11:43 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Vaccino → https://is.gd/700wrC13:44
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:44 UTC: (news): McDonald's earnings fall 17% as coronavirus leads to restaurant closures, plunging sales → https://is.gd/0d6u4x13:51
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:56 UTC: The 'R' rate is the new coronavirus buzzword: Here's what it means and why it matters: As countries across Europe start to lift their lockdowns, close attention is being paid to the so-called "R" rate as an indication of whether a second wave of coronavirus infections could be on the horizon. → https://is.gd/yWLtC513:58
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:00 UTC: (news): American Airlines loses $2.2 billion in first quarter as coronavirus roiled air travel → https://is.gd/MOroVn14:05
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 12:11 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Svezia → https://is.gd/f5zWKk14:12
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:13 UTC: (news): American Airlines loses $2.2 billion in first quarter as coronavirus roiled air travel → https://is.gd/MOroVn14:19
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California to close beaches after weekend crowds, quarterly results reveal pressure → https://is.gd/nP08wC14:27
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 12:31 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Unione Europea → https://is.gd/Qnm3aF14:34
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 12:34 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - Economia → https://is.gd/DrIr7F14:41
freemixwho else is going crazy after being stuck at home for so long14:43
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 12:47 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Conte al Senato → https://is.gd/lF6gDN14:48
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:51 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California to close beaches after weekend crowds, quarterly results reveal pressure → https://is.gd/nP08wC14:55
mefistofelesfreemix: I'm not, just bored15:02
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 12:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Boris Johnson to update UK on 'steps to defeat' the disease → https://is.gd/Bsh3iS15:02
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:06 UTC: (news): American Airlines loses $2.2 billion in first quarter as coronavirus roiled air travel → https://is.gd/MOroVn15:09
yuriwhoI am enjoying this lockdown, but then I also have a cottage on a lake.15:11
mefistofelesyuriwho: haha right, for me it has been almost the same, tbh15:11
mefistofelesalso because we can go out here15:11
yuriwhoit would suck to be stuck in a small apartment in a big city15:12
mefistofelesbut I don't go out much anyways, so there's that15:12
yuriwhodo you speak german mefistofeles?15:13
mefistofelesyuriwho: I don't, sadly15:14
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 13:12 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Scienza → https://is.gd/43LoVX15:16
yuriwhoif you know anyone bilingual in english/german that knows the scientific virology words and meanings in german, we could use some that can translate the German Transcripts for the "Das Coronavirus" podcast15:16
mefistofelesyuriwho: maybe Birrosso or oxalis here, I think15:18
mefistofelesor DocScrutinizer05 15:18
yuriwhocould you ask around?15:18
mefistofelessure15:18
oxalisnein15:18
yuriwhoaccuracy in the science translation is paramount though15:19
BrainstormUpdates for Spain: +2740 cases (now 239639), +268 deaths (now 24543) since a day ago — Saudi Arabia: +1351 cases (now 22753) since a day ago — Iran: +983 cases (now 94640), +71 deaths (now 6028) since a day ago15:25
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:27 UTC: Elon Musk's F-bomb rant against lockdowns reflects 'growing sentiment,' says Dr. Scott Gottlieb: "That's going to tug against what the governors have to do," the former FDA chief told CNBC. "We still face a pretty big epidemic in this country." → https://is.gd/deSmDk15:30
DocScrutinizer05hm?15:31
DocScrutinizer05sorry,  my vocabulary is strictly CS/electronics technical15:32
DocScrutinizer05https://i.imgur.com/MYd8Hf3.png my German statistics daily update15:32
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 13:35 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Giappone → https://is.gd/VvMdIo15:37
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 13:40 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il livethread fa pausa per un po' → https://is.gd/dpkOb115:44
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test)* at 13:45 UTC: Covid2019: Thunberg donates $100,000 to support children during pandemic - France 24 → https://is.gd/TJaj0r15:51
_abc_https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2020/01/coronavirus-photos-wuhan-under-quarantine/605605/15:53
_abc_old pics, now they are open for business. Looking for the new link.15:53
_abc_https://mobile.twitter.com/i/moments/1253329129245532171 new15:54
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 13:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Boris Johnson to update UK on 'steps to defeat' the disease → https://is.gd/Bsh3iS15:58
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:02 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California to close beaches after crowds; quarterly earnings results reveal pressure → https://is.gd/nP08wC16:05
BruntLIVEall 10 chinese restaurants around me (15 mile radiius are closed, 7 out of business. the stoic, quiet and docile veil has been ripped off. who knew 16:12
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:07 UTC: (news): Reopening America: A state-by-state breakdown of the status of coronavirus restrictions → https://is.gd/Un1dXt16:12
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 14:12 UTC: UK coronavirus live: No 10 says it won't 'gamble away' lockdown success by relaxing it too soon: Robert Buckland admits government may fail to hit testing target ; death toll in England, Scotland and Wales rises; relaxing lockdown next week ‘may well be too early’, says Sturgeon → https://is.gd/0Mxsbn16:19
NoImNotNineVoltin what ways is going out of business like ripping off a veil?16:21
_abc_NoImNotNineVolt: vs pretending nothing is wrong16:22
NoImNotNineVoltit's not clear how one can do that without sufficient revenue.16:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:23 UTC: (news): American Airlines loses $2.2 billion in first quarter as coronavirus roiled air travel → https://is.gd/MOroVn16:27
DocScrutinizer05german R_eff according to RKI: 0.7616:27
DocScrutinizer05let's see which number they publish this evening, seems it's changing two times a day recently :-S16:28
DocScrutinizer05my own statistics for yesterday are 0.7816:30
DocScrutinizer05"yesterday" since the numbers for new_cases from RKI are not final for the last datapoint16:32
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 14:30 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/8f0ZfK16:34
BrainstormUpdates for US: +2046 cases (now 1066878), +117 deaths (now 61797) since an hour ago — Maryland, US: +893 cases (now 21742), +62 deaths (now 1140) since 23 hours ago — Chile: +888 cases (now 16023) since 6 hours ago16:35
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tyson closes beef plant for cleaning; 'Lasagna guys' feed NYC's hospital workers → https://is.gd/nP08wC16:41
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LjL<mefistofeles> LjL: is it me or Brainstorm is more floody now? ← i think it's mostly just the fact fewer people are talking in between.17:00
mefistofelesLjL: thought so, too17:02
LjLi think i've done such a wonderful job with the link list that everyone reads, that people don't feel a need to ask anything because it covers everything17:02
mefistofeleshaha17:04
mefistofelesone can hope17:04
mefistofelesI'm actually cleaning my browser tabs, been doing that for the past hour or more17:05
mefistofelesgetting the refs and all the things organized17:05
mefistofelesalmost finishing xD17:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:05 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tyson closes beef plant for cleaning; 'Lasagna guys' feed NYC's hospital workers → https://is.gd/nP08wC17:09
LjLmefistofeles, oh you have no idea, i've spent one day and a half doing that, and i'm not even making a hyperbole... i believe i had about 1000 tabs open, could have been 800, i've just counted based on roughly how much the scrollbar would move when i opened the tab list menu, which in turn would take about 5 seconds to open. then i installed an extension to close duplicate tabs automatically, and that helped a fair amount, but it still took a very long 17:11
LjLtime to... make the list short enough that it would pop up within one second or so17:11
LjLpart of it was i had tabs for things that yuri had recommended open, so i didn't feel like just throwing the whole session away17:11
mefistofelesLjL: haha yes, I don't know how many I had this time, but my [counted] record is 134717:12
LjLit's just a form of hoarding though because they had been there for so many days at that point, they may have been the latest and greatest in COVID coverage when he linked them, but obsolete by the time i was looking for them17:12
mefistofelesjust finished, 40 left that I have to review/read this evening17:12
mefistofelesand that would be it... of course, I will end up adding new ones, etc.17:12
LjLmefistofeles, Firefox doesn't like 1347 in its V menu, absolutely doesn't17:12
mefistofelesLjL: it was in a 32G workstation :P17:13
LjLoh well17:13
LjLi have 8GB, so really, those tabs mostly aren't *open*17:13
LjLthey are crashed17:13
mefistofelesyes17:13
LjLbut still, the list wasn't made to contain so many17:13
mefistofeleslast week I had to run `killall firefox` so many times because of that17:13
mefistofelesthat and having to deal with huge inkscape projects and 3d visualizations for my thesis17:13
mefistofelesI got full memory quite a few times xD17:14
LjLi moved from Epiphany (GNOME Web) to Firefox after a long time of being opinionated and fixated on using GNOME apps for everything that had one17:14
LjLbut that had gotten way too ridiculous, computer would freeze for any site that made Epiphany panic17:14
LjLbut it's only marginally better with Firefox, i still end up rebooting way too often for an OS that should never really crash these days, feels like i'm still using AmigaOS on 1MB of RAM :P17:15
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 15:14 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito → https://is.gd/qR0Dic17:16
mefistofelesLjL: lol, that's not good17:17
mefistofelesI just monitor the RAM/SWAP and issue killall firefox from time to time17:18
mefistofelesbut it should be ok now that I finished the other memory intensive things17:18
mefistofelesI even had a chance to turn the computer off last night17:18
mefistofelesafter 11 days or so17:18
mefistofelesbut yeah, 8G of RAM feel limited nowadays, crazy17:19
LjLmefistofeles, maybe i should have some RAM monitoring applet... except i'm running GNOME, not WindowMaker, so it's not like i have plentiful competent applet to show stuff :P17:19
mefistofelesLjL: htop ? :P17:20
LjLmefistofeles, crazy indeed, the laplet i had before this one had 2GB, i bought it in 2014, and it had less RAM than my friend's gaming computer in 2008 (which is now Brainstorm's server), but that *was* far too limiting... however when i replaced it with this one i honestly expected 8GB to be plenty for a long time17:20
LjLmefistofeles, i think i need something that starts playing a loud alarm when i'm close to maxing it out :P17:20
mefistofelesLjL: haha 17:22
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 15:20 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Oggi ci sarà una conferenza stampa della Protezione Civile → https://is.gd/iNlGl417:23
LjLbut also, i can't believe Linux's OOM killer can't behave a little better in terms of closing whatever needs closing and not making computers crash. it's been terrible this way all along... maybe it's tuned more for server, but.17:23
LjLoh no there is a press conference17:23
LjLi don't wanna17:23
lf94> 8gb ram feels limited17:28
lf94hardly, it has to do with your workflows17:28
LjLyes, we've just being described our workflows17:28
LjLdescribing*17:29
Hullo1One megabyte of RAM should be enough for anybody17:29
lf94I've been using a computer with 2GB of RAM for over a decade17:29
lf94As a web developer, even17:29
lf94It truly depends on your workflow and tools17:29
LjLwho'd have thought17:30
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 15:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Boris Johnson to update UK on 'steps to defeat' the disease → https://is.gd/Bsh3iS17:30
lf94In the other corner of the room I have my 32gb beast17:30
lf94both are as snappy as the other17:30
Hullo1lf94, some code editors these days need couple of gigs of RAM for themselves17:30
lf94Gotta load full files into memory, cache pre-computed properties, etc17:31
lf94anyway, not the place :)17:31
contingoI think mefistofeles is doing quite intensive scientific computing17:32
contingoLjL maybe just a summary?17:32
LjLcontingo, hm?17:33
LjLoh17:33
LjLyeah i often skip a lot of the stuff they say anyway17:33
LjLwhich is just thanks here thanks there17:33
LjLbut then when they start asking question, it's hard to tell what can be skipped17:33
mefistofelescontingo: yes, but in this case the problem was the visualization of the results, not the processing themselves. Since the data files for the results are big, it commonly eats up memory fast, so you have to move around that and find tricks to deal with it17:34
contingoyeah, same issues with my stuff17:36
contingothe analysis would not be computed on my personal machines anyway17:36
contingowhat's your coolest dataviz?17:36
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:32 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NBA team execs, agents call to end the season; McDonald's warns of worse to come → https://is.gd/nP08wC17:37
contingoalso, if you think you're nearly finished, formatting printing and binding issues ate up a further week for me :D17:37
lf94mefistofeles: I wrote a binary format that is append-only, to avoid memory issues in my own data collection projects :)17:38
mefistofeleslf94: not possible :P17:39
mefistofeleslf94: because I need the whole thing 17:39
lf94https://github.com/lf94/skullrump/blob/master/src/skullrump.rs17:39
lf94Ah ok17:39
mefistofelesah rust, nice17:40
lf94If you need the full dataset then it won't matter, like you said17:40
mefistofelesI like Rust concepts and implementations, but kinda hate the syntax, something I have yet to get used to17:40
mefistofeleslf94: yeah17:40
lf94People generally don't like unfamiliarity17:40
mefistofeleslf94: yes, I guess, though I have dealt with unfamiliar languages/syntax in the past17:41
mefistofelessmalltalk was a nice one17:41
lf94Once you touched N langs, you see concepts, not syntax anymore17:42
mefistofelestrue17:42
lf94Learning lambda calculus and assembly really solidified this to me17:42
mefistofelesstill readability is important for me17:42
lf94typical readability*, yeah17:42
mefistofeleslf94: no, readability :)17:42
lf94readability is subjective17:42
lf94hence the distinction17:43
mefistofelesas in having less symbols per line and less clutter and such17:43
lf94"typical" to most of the developer population17:43
mefistofelesrust is not particularly good for that, for good reasons also17:43
lf94Python is essentially the most readable17:43
mefistofelesPython is pretty readable yes17:43
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 15:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Boris Johnson to update UK on 'steps to defeat' the disease → https://is.gd/Bsh3iS17:44
mefistofeleslf94: but yeah, I still need to get use to Rust, I haven't found a real use case for it, so there's that as well17:44
peterx[m]%cases usa17:45
Brainstormpeterx[m]: Sorry, usa not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.17:45
lf94My two work horses are TypeScript and Rust: I reserve Rust for programs I really want small and resource efficient.17:45
lf94IMO if you don't need the latter, don't bother17:46
peterx[m]%cases us17:46
Brainstormpeterx[m]: In all areas, US, there are 1.1 million total cases (0.3% of the population) and 61855 deaths (5.8% of cases) as of 12 minutes ago. 6.1 million tests were performed (17.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.17:46
mefistofeleslf94: true...I do have plenty of C/C++ code that I would like to port to Rust, mostly for learning purposes but then it may be practical as well17:46
lf94If you use a modern subset of C++, a lot suggest don't bother also17:47
mefistofelesI don't17:47
lf94Then you've got some nice projects ahead of you :)17:48
mefistofelesyeah, at least for learning purposes could be, not sure if "nice" haha17:48
lf94To me a nice project is one you learn useful concepts and find better ways to solve particular problems.17:49
lf94And of course the end result being useful. :)17:49
mefistofelesyes, we'll see, I have many things going on right now... but yeah... projecting projects :P17:49
peterx[m]<mefistofeles "lf94: true...I do have plenty of"> Will be better to discuss in another room, such topics #programming17:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tesla's Musk rants against lockdowns, McDonald's warns of more pain to come → https://is.gd/nP08wC17:51
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BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 16:03 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Aggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 30 Aprile → https://is.gd/L2F4du18:05
LjLmefistofeles, hey, how apropos... just noticed a notification that Fedora 32 is released, and in the release notes...18:06
LjLImproved Out of Memory handling18:06
LjLPreviously, if a system encountered a low-memory situation, it may have encountered heavy swap usage (aka swap thrashing)– sometimes resulting in the Workstation UI slowing down, or becoming unresponsive for periods of time. Fedora 32 Workstation now ships and enables EarlyOOM by default. EarlyOOM enables users to more quickly recover and regain control over their system in low-memory situations with heavy swap usage. 18:06
LjLItaly's Civil Protection press conference is live now at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD0SYCkmYO4 and I will take notes18:07
LjL(Borrelli). Good Evening. Prof. Luca Richeldi is here with me today.18:07
LjLToday we have the highest number of recoveries, +4693, since the start of the emergency, total 75945.18:07
LjL105463 total cases, +1872.18:07
LjLCurrently positive are 101551, -3106.18:07
JamGobbarso whats total cases/total recovered18:07
LjL1694 are in ICU, -101, and 18149 are hospitalized, -1061.18:08
LjLMost people affected are self-isolating at home, 81708 (80%).18:08
LjLThere are +285 victims.18:08
LjLYou can see we're headed towards a new phase, and so we have decided to end our press conferences with today's one.18:09
LjLWe will still provide updates, and I want to summarize this past period.18:09
LjLWe declared a state of emergency, and our volunteers have helped check people in ports and airports when they were still open.18:09
LjLThanks to the Air Force we have worked to ensure our fellow citizens in Wuhan and on the Diamond Princess could come back to Italy.18:10
generabut he has 1872 newly tested positive patients per 24h ?18:10
LjLgenera, yes18:10
LjLWe have built temporary healthcare structures in Bergamo, and international organizations helped build one in Cremona.18:11
LjLAnother important activity has been the "Cross" system, which moved 116 patients between regions, and 38 to Germany. I want to thank the German authorities for allowing us to lighten the load on Lombardy.18:11
LjLWe have had a lot of generosity from European and non-European countries, which sent us equipment, doctors and other health workers.18:12
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LjLOur Civil Protection volunteers are still working. A new forum of volunteering has also been important, with Task Forces including doctors, nurses and socio-sanitary operators, 1000 of which are still leaving to our prisons, and 500 to our nursing homes.18:13
LjLMany of these volunteers are contacting me after their term ends, asking me how to stay within the Civil Protection.18:14
LjLSince the start of the emergency we have obtained 142 million euros in donations, used for purchasing PPEs and medical equipment, and 6 million euro were gathered on a bank account in the favor of relatives of victims of healthcare workers who died during the emergency.18:15
LjLLastly, I want to thank you, journalists and media workers, who have worked to provide information to our citizens, for your presence here. I want to thank RAI in particular for making our press conferences' live signal available to all other media.18:17
LjLOur website protezionecivile.gov.it will have more information.18:17
LjL(Richeldi) Thank you Dr Borrelli. Today's data are very comforting, as we see that all indexes are going in the right direction: we witness a decrease of 3000 in currently positive, and almost 5000 released from hospitals. We have many regions with no or few deaths, which confirms the measures enacted drastically released pressure on the healthcare system.18:18
LjLIf we look at the past 15 days, which will represent an important timeframe from now on, because that's the timeframe that lets you see at effects of our measures, including relaxing them now.18:19
desantnyeI can't believe I'm saying these words18:19
desantnyebut shoutout to Jeff Bezos for hooking us up with a line to PPE supplies 18:19
LjLWell, we see ICU and hospitalizations are going down considerable. This trend we've seen day by day, sometimes without trying to look too much into them, is clearly going in the right direction now.18:19
LjLThe system is testing many more people nowadays, which you know is crucial to contain the spread of the virus.18:20
LjLThe ratio of positive tests has gone below 3%, which is considered a crucial threshold to determine enough tests are being performed.18:20
desantnyethey have some items that someone's obviously taking a loss or breaking even on18:20
BrainstormUpdates for Turkey: +2615 cases (now 120204), +93 deaths (now 3174) since 23 hours ago — US: +2416 cases (now 1069294), +411 deaths (now 62208) since an hour ago — Italy: +1872 cases (now 205463), +285 deaths (now 27967) since a day ago18:21
LjLThis is not the end of the story, as contacts must be searched and tested... but today's picture is comforting: the spread is slowed, pressure on the hospital system has gone down, and we are readier and more aware of the challenge we face in the next months.18:21
LjL(Borrelli) Okay, questions now.18:21
LjLQ: From May 4 on, there will be many people travelling on trains and airplanes. Are you worried?18:21
LjLA: I think absolutely not. We need sense of responsibility, travel must happen only when there is a real need, and while respecting social distancing. If we all respect hygienic and gathering rules, we'll be able to manage the situation.18:22
lf94Does this mean the virus is way less severe than we originally thought?18:22
LjLQ: What is your personal view of the emergency in summary? What has it felt like for you, from both a human and a technical viewpoint?18:23
LjLlf94, no18:23
desantnyeis this internet relay chat or internet relay news18:23
LjLdesantnye, when no one is talking no one is talking, when i post these someone always complains18:24
desantnyehey it's snark come on18:24
LjLsince this is the last press conference, i will also vent, like Borrelli: fuck off!18:24
LjLA: We'll no longer meet in these press conferences, and I'm a bit sorry about that, because it had become sort of a familiar thing. We've certainly lived a never-before-seen experience, and in my 18 years at the Civil Protection I had never lived such an intense and growing emergencies. We have several confirmations: our healthcare system has made the difference, and out Civil Protection system has shown a great ability to work as a team.18:24
desantnyeanyways something curious I have no explanation for18:25
desantnyethere's an amazon listing for surgical masks that fluctuates between ~$20 per box of 300, out of stock, and ~$180 per box of 30018:26
desantnyeI have no explanation why18:26
LjL(Richeldi) For me it was a new experience, I came to Rome three years ago, after an experience in England, so I'm relatively new to the environment... it was certainly a complex experience, but I discovered three things: there are impressive skills in some of our institutions like the Superior Institute of Health (ISS) and INAIL.18:26
generaaww18:26
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 16:21 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/WAF4Bs18:26
desantnyeI don't know if it's a misprice either because they honored the low price18:27
LjLSecondly, I met colleagues who are both knowledgeable and humble, who have never assumed they knew everything, but always had doubts.18:27
desantnyebut why would the price fluctuate like that?18:27
desantnyeit's being sold by Amazon directly18:27
LjLThirdly, I experienced a lot of pressure, but also a lot of understanding, by the press and the media, which I think played a crucial role and will continue to do so.18:27
fsol[m]!risk 3318:28
LjLQ: We saw a Chinese study today on Nature showing that out of 285 patients, they all developed antibodies. This is great news, but how long will the immunity last?18:28
desantnyecan you link where you're pulling these from?18:29
LjLA: We do not know how long it lasts. The study is important, first because it's published on a very important publication, and second it gives some very clear results: as you said, they all developed measurable antibodies. This is the prerequisite to develop protective immunity. We do not automatically know it IS protective immunity, but we can presume so. As you know, an important seroprevalence study is taking place in Italy, but that study also tells us 18:30
LjLanother important thing: in the majority of patients, the response to this virus is sustained and measurable within peripheral blood, so it will be at least an instrument to easily measure prevalence of the virus, and it will offer at least a minimum of protection in case of reinfection.18:30
desantnye:/ 18:30
LjLdesantnye, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD0SYCkmYO418:30
LjLi'm translating this in real time like every time they do this18:30
LjLwell, no longer in real time since i have to pause18:31
desantnyeI see now18:31
desantnyeI submitted samples for an antibody test18:32
desantnyewill finally get to know if I encountered it18:32
LjLQ: I notice that today only 5 regions have more than 100 new cases. This is good, but shouldn't the scientific committee have suggested measures like the ones in Spain, which are differentiated by province? We've chosen the route of "everywhere the same", but why are other countries making different choices? Also, I was positively struck by the high number of recoveries, more than 4000... but we're still told no drugs have been found that can effectively 18:33
LjLtreat COVID. So, how are we curing people who recover?18:33
desantnyeI have an answer to that18:33
desantnyein my area anyways18:33
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 16:32 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - New York → https://is.gd/pw55AO18:33
desantnyewe give antibiotics as placebo and as an all-purpose ward18:34
desantnye:/18:34
LjLA: The matter of regionalization of measures has been discussed, not just within the committee, but also internationally... the matter is very complex, because we must consider various aspects, both legal and logistical, but also scientific: as an example, in theory, a higher percentage of people who are immune makes those people more protected to a new outbreak, while in a region where the virus barely circulated there will be many "naive" individuals, 18:34
LjLmeaning with no immunity.18:34
desantnyeI also have a bottle of hydroxychloroquine18:35
LjLSo it's a balance that has to be considered. Since we are one nation, I think there have to be generalized decisions, but there can be small variations, think of red zones, which we had and likely will have again: they are local measures where virus circulation is different.18:35
desantnyedon't even ask why this was given t ome18:35
LjLThere shouldn't be a 100% national or 100% regional approach, but they must be mixed with common sense.18:35
desantnyeI don't use it18:35
LjLIt would be good to also have a super-national approach: at least 3 or 4 countries that took different routes from us have a number of deaths higher than Italy.18:36
BrainstormUpdates for US: +4169 cases (now 1073463) since 17 minutes ago — New York, US: +3516 cases (now 309674) since 17 minutes ago — Indiana, US: +653 cases (now 17835) since 23 hours ago18:36
LjLThen, on therapies: as doctors, we are getting experienced on these patients, which we had never seen before. They had these pneumonias and all parameters out of control... today we have more knowledge and some encouraging drugs, like remdesivir, although two studies, one Chinese and one American, gave slightly contrasting results... our approach is more conservative, but I think most of the answer to your question lies in a prompter diagnosis, more 18:37
LjLawareness, and "calmer" management by the hospitals.18:37
LjLI think all these things together explain what you called a good news. For the future, it can be a reachable goal to have more effective treatments.18:37
LjLQ: In the past week there have been various position statements about lack of assistance to self-isolating patients at home. Since many are lamenting the difference between regions, I wonder if you have considered, scientifically or legally, to coordinate this at a central level.18:38
LjLA: We must dinstinguish between healthcare and other kinds of assistance. I think in the Minsiter's plan there is a strong enhancement of territorial medicine, and we must have this as a goal, "proximity healthcare"... while as to other forms of assistance, I want to remind that our Civil Protection volunteers are always available, and there are also other forms of volunteering that have been created to provide further support in the territory. We are 18:40
LjLworking on a proposal for supporting municipalities, which was discussed yesterday in the regional conference. Shortly we'll see further form of social cooperation enhancement.18:40
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Florida overtakes California for most jobless claims, McDonald's warns of more pain → https://is.gd/nP08wC18:40
LjL(Richeldi) The national healthcare system has set itself up for assistance to the sick. Territorial medicine will have new patients in their care as well as contact tracing, and this is why we need a large increment in people who will have to work on this. Let's not forget that we have "COVID hospitals", which are structures dedicated, prepared to take in these patients; there is one or more of them in each region. All regions are also getting equipped for 18:43
LjLintermediate structures, which have often been found in hotels, to guarantee isolation of people who are infected but do not need hospitalization. Internationally, these structures are already consider essential for proper management, and we are getting equipped with these structures that are intermediate between family and hospital.18:43
LjLA: As a pneumologist, Prof. Richeldi, are the consequences on the lungs for people who have faced this disease starting to become clear? And as a member of the committee, today the PM talked about possibly re-opening kindergartens and summer centers for kids, but the ISS has shown some perplexities on the matter. How did the scientific committee evaluate this? I also ask because the report that was delivered to the government does not contain this measure.18:44
LjLA: The first question is simpler. There are consequences on people's lungs: we'll have a cohort of patients with pulmonary fibrosis, which may become a new category of patients with respiratory insufficiency. We are working with the ISS to have a model for follow-up of these patients, which represent a new health issue, not just on the lungs since they can also have other problems, but we are already working with these patients.18:45
LjLOn kindergartens, I have read it on the media, and I cannot say why PM Conte said this, but I imagine it's a typical example of the time when a politician puts the scientific data on a balance with social needs: I assume opening kindergartens doesn't mean opening all the other schools, which is what our models shows as unsustainable. I think opening kindergartens can help families who are now going back to work, to attenuate the impact of the issue. I 18:47
LjLwouldn't be too worried if this measure were adopted, with a minimal impact but a large social benefit.18:47
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:45 UTC: New York City ends 24-hour subway service to disinfect trains and buses over night: New York City is suspending 24-hour subway service to disinfect subway cars during the coronavirus crisis, Mayor Bill de Blasio and Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Thursday. → https://is.gd/iD8uF318:47
LjLQ: About Kawasaki(?) syndrome, which has been said to have had an anomalous spike in children in northern Italy... what is it, and is there a reason to worry? One of the few good things during "phase 1" was that children seemed unaffected.18:48
LjLA: You're right. I can confirm the data: children have a lesser chance of being infected with COVID. this is solid data. As to the Kawasai syndrome, it's rare, serious, and known, and there have been some indications of an increase in some places, quite possibly related to increase in SARS-CoV-2.18:49
term99%data ohio18:50
Brainstormterm99: In Ohio, US, there are 17303 total cases (0.1% of the population) and 937 deaths (5.4% of cases) as of 16 minutes ago. 122706 tests were performed (14.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ohio for time series data.18:50
LjLIn Italy, the pediatric hospital network has activated for active surveillance on this syndrome. For the time being, there is no reason for alarm, as there are few confirmed cases... if anything is true in this, the network will let us know soon.18:50
term99%data florida18:51
Brainstormterm99: In Florida, US, there are 33690 total cases (0.2% of the population) and 1268 deaths (3.8% of cases) as of 3 minutes ago. 384153 tests were performed (8.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Florida for time series data.18:51
LjLQ: I'd like to understand something I think is fundamental for "phase 2": private serology tests, very many citizens are getting tested privately. Is there a protocol in case they test positive? They should get a swab at that stage. Aside from this, is it possible to get private swabs? I think it's happening on a large scale, but non-transparently, with a risk that some people can get it privately very quickly, while others wait months with public 18:51
LjLhealthcare.18:51
LjLA: I understand Prof. Brusaferro hasn't replied to your question previously, or the matter would be solved...?18:52
LjLQ: Well, he told me we must work on it.18:52
LjLA: Oh, well!18:52
LjLQ: But it's been a month and a half these tests have gone on, I haven't been able to ask him a follow-up question on whether there is a protocol: can swabs be done privately, and if not, why are they being done?18:53
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 16:50 UTC: Vaccines and immunisation: AstraZeneca partners with Oxford University to produce Covid-19 vaccine → https://is.gd/duVVxO18:54
LjLA: This is not my realm but I'll try to answer as best as possible... Serology, I've also noticed there has been a "boom" in testing, which is good on the one hand but not so good on the other, partly because some of these tests are not very reliable at all. Every test has a given percentage of false positives and negatives. We're trying to use the best tests available, which use ELISA or CLEAR(?) techniques; the Chinese study was done with the latter, and 18:55
LjLthese are reliable tests. Your question goes further: if I test reliably, and the test tells me I do have IgG for SARS-CoV-2, what must I do, do I have to get swabbed? There is not yet a protocol on this, but that kind of test doesn't aim to see if there is viral RNA in the body at that particular time. It's something we're learning about, and I think this study that is starting with a sample of 150000 Italians with reliable tests will give us real 18:55
LjLanswers. I think that may have been why Prof. Brusaferro was cautious, as we'll have good results soon.18:55
LjLI don't know what to tell you about private swabs... I have no information, but I know the Ministry of Health and the ISS are monitoring these activities, so I think if there's some labs in convention with healthcare to run those tests, that's legitimate. At this time I don't know if any were authorized, but I assume it's a viable hypothesis to boost testing in the future.18:56
LjL(Borrelli) Okay. Well, thank you all then, and see you... next time.18:57
LjL--- end18:57
LjLso this really was the last one so you can all be relieved you won't get this pain in the ass again, at least unless i start waking up at human times and listening to the ISS press conferences18:57
generawas fun18:59
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC pauses 24-hour subway service, funeral home blasted for storing corpses in vans → https://is.gd/nP08wC19:02
LjLcontingo, do you know what type of testing was likely mentioned next to ELISA that i heard as "CLEAR"? supposedly the one used in the Chinese antibody study19:07
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:04 UTC: New York City ends 24-hour subway system to disinfect trains and buses overnight: New York City is suspending 24-hour subway service to disinfect subway cars during the coronavirus crisis, Mayor Bill de Blasio and Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced Thursday. → https://is.gd/iD8uF319:09
LjLor yuriwho?19:09
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC pauses 24-hour subway service, funeral home blasted for storing corpses in vans → https://is.gd/nP08wC19:16
astraliam[m]!cases UK19:19
contingoLjL sorry I've only read about ELISA19:20
astraliam[m]%cases United Kingdom19:20
Brainstormastraliam[m]: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 165221 total cases (0.2% of the population) and 26097 deaths (15.8% of cases) as of 14 hours ago. 818539 tests were performed (20.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.19:20
CovBotIn United Kingdom there have been a total of 165,221 cases as of 2020-04-30 03:05:03 UTC. Of these 139,124 (84.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 0 (0.0%) have definitely recovered and 26,097 (15.8%) have died.19:20
astraliam[m]%data UK19:20
Brainstormastraliam[m]: In all areas, United Kingdom, there are 165221 total cases (0.2% of the population) and 26097 deaths (15.8% of cases) as of 14 hours ago. 818539 tests were performed (20.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.19:20
BrainstormUpdates for United Kingdom: +6032 cases (now 171253), +674 deaths (now 26771) since a day ago — US: +1813 cases (now 1075276) since 47 minutes ago — India: +1170 cases (now 34780), +72 deaths (now 1151) since 4 hours ago19:21
LjLcontingo, google has been unhelpful and i've also look at the abstract of the two studies i thought might be this one, but no luck19:21
contingodo you have a clip of the audio? LjL 19:22
astraliam[m]anyone know why UK data on offloop has a jump of 4000 extra deaths in the last day? text says on +67419:23
LjLcontingo, yes, i can find the spot, but whatever it is, it's going to be pronounced... italianly19:23
hirogencos we added carehome deaths19:25
hirogenand we get the information every 3 to 5 weeks plus we only just added them from start19:25
LjLcontingo, well, actually i solved by just finding the clip and listening to it again, it's CLIA. i had listened multiple times over and over while i was transcribing it and it always sounded like something else. goes to show when you can't figure out something it can be good to pause and go back to it later, i guess19:26
LjLChemiluminescence Immunoassay19:27
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 17:28 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/LuMQAc19:30
contingoah right LjL, should have known19:34
friedbatSo, I've been reading a lot of stories about "second wave" coming after easing lockdowns.19:37
friedbatwhy are people acting surprised about this? clearly once you end lockdowns, transmission increases19:37
LjLpeople are surprised by much less surprising things19:38
LjLsuch as... well no i won't go there19:38
desantnyecan someone tell me why are health orgs buying up p100 box filters19:39
desantnye3m respirators aren't even approved PPE since there's nothing filtering your exhaust19:39
pyna6 weeks in and i was able to get some non-approved kn95 masks19:40
desantnyeit's listed as a top item here: https://www.amazon.com/b?node=2115222201119:40
desantnyei really hope it's just a curated list19:40
friedbatpyna: i was reading bad stuff about the kn95 stuff. i forget who, maybe uk, bought a ton of them and they were useless19:41
pynain the absence of a functioning federal govt, things are going well19:42
friedbatyou're better off making your own out of cotton and some filtration material19:42
desantnyefriedbat i have some they don't fit properly19:42
desantnyewhy? no idea19:42
LjLdesantnye, some health workers are wearing an N95 respirator with a surgical mask over it, to be able to reuse the former19:42
pynai haven't tried one yet - they're not on the approved list but they're from a reputable source19:42
LjLfriedbat, well that's nice, since those are the ones we bought19:42
desantnyeidk what kind of face they're built for but it's impossible to get a good seal19:43
desantnyei tried19:43
desantnyelike I said massive shoutouts to Bezos for hooking us up with PPE19:43
desantnyeif you're part of a health org tell someone to apply for it19:44
desantnyeI applied, it took a few days and now I can buy most PPE at pre-pandemic prices19:44
friedbatfrom what i've been reading about the effectiveness of different materials for filtration 19:44
friedbattwo layers of cotton sandwiching some filter in between is very close to n95 effectiveness19:45
desantnyeI got sick with something even when I wore surgical masks every day19:45
friedbatwhich is probably good enough unless you're in an ICU ward caring for COVID patients19:45
desantnyestill not feeling 100%19:45
friedbatalso..19:46
desantnyei did a small particle test with the surgicals... they're not very good19:46
desantnyeas expected19:46
desantnyefine powder goes right through19:46
friedbatif everyone around you is wearing said covering, then their masks are catching stuff on the way out19:46
LjLfriedbat, we have some handmade masks with cotton layers and a layer of non-woven fabric between them19:46
desantnyeyep, we can't make people wash hands19:46
desantnyenobody is going to cook their masks before reuse19:46
friedbatyes, non-woven stuff between is good filtration19:46
desantnyebest anyone does here is spray them with alcohol19:47
LjLyeah we spray them with isopropyl alcohol from a distance19:47
LjLso that they don't get visibly went but only get the mist19:47
LjLand then we leave them for a while19:47
friedbatif you're in a place with sun, just leave them out in the sun for a day19:47
pynai feel like there's a good amount of accepted "security theater" with the DIY/non-medical mask stuff19:48
LjLno we have only a tiny balcony on the north side19:48
friedbatpyna: it's a spectrum19:48
desantnyebut anyways not even amazon has n95s19:48
friedbatfrom no mask to full hazmat suit19:48
desantnyethey're all being diverted directly to facilities19:49
friedbatso what you're doing with DIY masks, surgical masks, etc. is reducing risk, not eliminating risk.19:49
desantnyeall amazon has are not approved 3m respirators, boxes of cheap surgical masks and packs of kn95s19:49
friedbatbut as i said, if you're not in an ICU ward, then that might be enough to reduce risk to such a low level, it's essentially 019:49
blkshpnot necessarily reducing, remember that's still somewhat debated. Reducing other people's risk while potentially increasing your own.19:49
friedbatthe cheap surgical masks (that blue stuff) on amazon is chinese made stuff made at unapproved sweatshops19:50
desantnyealso they have hand sanitizer and some some disinfectants but you have to beat the other health orgs buying them19:50
friedbati guarantee they don't meet astm standards19:50
blkshpproper ones when coming into contact with the infected is a good idea but i still debate that wearing hand made stuff on the streets does little for you and increases you touching your face and is a false sense of security.19:50
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 17:50 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Russia → https://is.gd/IXlbSs19:50
pynayeah since supply chain is bad and fed has no plans to do anything coherent, i wouldn't have bought approved n95 even if i couldf19:51
desantnyei'm having a fun time looking at amazon pages actually19:51
friedbatyou're seriously better off making a good cotton mask like LjL, than you are buying those cheap blue disposable things that look like surgical masks19:51
desantnyestuff randomly goes in and out of stock19:51
pynathe blue jawns are 4 bucks apiece at the one corner store that has em19:51
pynaso nice to gouge for trash19:52
desantnyefriedbat amazon is selling one specific brand themselves 19:52
desantnyei don't think they want to get sued for selling garbage19:52
friedbatoh, you mean not by a 3rd party seller?19:52
friedbatlink?19:53
desantnyehttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017K36L8Y/19:53
LjLfriedbat, the masks that are going to be made available for the "general population" in Italy when we reopen and things become mandatory are, as i've understood from the press conference, basically "any company can make any type of mask and they won't undergo any checks". the price will be capped at 50 cents, but for 50 cents i could also buy a very large amount of nothing to protect me by virtue of good luck19:53
desantnyethis one is super bizarre19:53
pynathey're a fashion statement that say "i believe that the plague is not a democrat hoax"19:53
desantnyesometimes it sells for $20, most of the time it's out of stock and some of the time it's available for $18019:53
friedbatdesantnye: shows as unavailable19:53
desantnyei don't understand why19:53
desantnyeyou need an approved org account to buy them when they're not unavailable19:54
desantnyethey seem to restock every morning so buy someone some coffee19:54
friedbatwell, that seems like cheap stuff19:55
friedbatit has no fda, astm, protection. 19:55
desantnyeit's so weird, it's 3-ply "astm rated"19:55
friedbatthey won't get sued because they make no claims as to its protection19:55
desantnyeif you search the codes in the description they seem legit19:56
desantnyeand amazon is the diret seller of these19:56
friedbatthere is no claim made on the amazon page about protective level factor19:56
friedbatthey're probably junk19:56
desantnyethe astm rating's on the box, i haven't gotten them yet so i don't know if the boxes are accurate19:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:50 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC pauses 24-hour subway service, funeral home blasted for storing corpses in vans → https://is.gd/nP08wC19:57
desantnye"Dukal" is the company importing them and giving them to amazon19:58
desantnyethey're based in new york19:58
friedbatit's better than nothing, i suppose. but don't fool yourself into thinking these are surgical masks19:58
pynathese are the ones i got ahold of https://i.imgur.com/4KcMI8k.jpg https://i.imgur.com/q9Hr8o0.jpg19:58
desantnyeprobably me being optimistic but I do think they're legitimate19:58
desantnyeI really doubt amazon would intentionally sell defective masks when only health orgs can buy them20:01
friedbati read a report that some factories in china, that make other things, not masks, are now making those 3-ply deals for sale to other countries20:01
astraliam[m]unless they are fakes I'd say they are. Japanese good are generally high std and not many fakes20:01
friedbati guarantee these aren't being inspected for standards compliance20:01
desantnyespeaking wrt the boxes on amazon I linked20:01
friedbatamazon has sold knock-offs before20:02
friedbatthey don't know if the stuff is bad20:02
friedbatdukal doesn't even know20:02
friedbatthey're buying from their chinese provider. said chinese source could be selling them crap.20:02
LjL>  "We only see 5-10 per cent of the infected real people. That is many more," concluded Stefano Merler of the Bruno Kessler Foundation on the epidemiological situation.20:02
astraliam[m]i got some terrible masks from amazon early in the crisis. But these are branded and Japanese not Chinese20:02
LjLi guess like many other countries that are "re-opening", now they are citing a lot of experts who think everybody is already immune or so because there were tons and tons of asymptomatics20:03
desantnyesome other funny news20:03
LjLthat may be true, but it's strange considering when they tested and re-tested a 3000 people town in italy which was under strict quarantine (no exit, no entry) they found that only 50% of the positives were asymptomatic all along20:03
oxalismy mask resembles a #4 cone-shaped coffee filter20:04
desantnyePurell's now advertising their (mostly alcohol) disinfectants are rated to kill human coronavirus20:04
friedbati think there are two "political" reasons for these antibody results. one is to say many more have had it than we know about and that the mortality rate is not as scary as we thought20:04
pynahaving to sell "real" masks is probably to much burdensome regulation for US20:04
desantnyetheir source is a recent CDC bulletin20:04
friedbatpurell is still sold out, right?20:04
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 17:57 UTC: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson says UK is past the peak of outbreak: Boris Johnson says he will set out a plan next week on the economy, schools and transport beyond lockdown. → https://is.gd/0laCro20:04
desantnyeno I bought some this morning while racing the other health orgs to buy stuff20:05
desantnyenow it's sold out though :P  20:05
friedbatyou're a health org?20:05
phantomcircuitpyna, the KN95/N95 masks are made from "melt blown" which is sandwiched between two layers of a similar material; all the fake masks coming out of china right now are just the outside layer without the actual filtering layer; they look identical in every way but are no more effective than a few layers of cotton20:05
phantomcircuitie china is asshole20:06
friedbatphantomcircuit: i had heard there was a worldwide shortage of the meltblown material20:06
blkshpo_O20:06
phantomcircuitfriedbat, there is indeed20:06
desantnyefriedbat https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B075H16TBT/20:07
phantomcircuitapparently the machines take something like 6 months to make and are the like hundreds of feet long of continuous manufacturing20:07
desantnyeI think the new advertising is a bit bold but whatever, it's probably true20:07
desantnyethese are just bottles of mostly alcohol 20:07
friedbatyes, the meltblown machines are tough to make20:07
friedbatand you're right, usually n95 masks are 3-4 layers20:07
desantnye"Rapid Kill Time - Kills Human Coronavirus* and Hepatitis A in 60 seconds, Eliminates Flu virus, Salmonella, and Strep in 30 seconds20:08
friedbatouter layers are spun-bond polypropylene, then a filter layer of melt-blown polypropelyne, and sometimes a polyester layer.20:08
phantomcircuitthe inner layer is afaict there to prevent you from inhaling tiny polypropylene fibers20:09
desantnyeoxalis KN95s? those are the ones I tried they're impossible to seal right20:09
friedbatright now the material for the filter (the melt-blown) doesn't exist20:09
phantomcircuitdesantnye, the kn95 masks tend to just be "china sized"20:09
desantnyeyep20:09
phantomcircuitif you're a small asian person or a child they'll fit fine20:09
friedbatmake your own mask, two laters of a good cotton, and some filtration material.20:10
friedbatyou're probably going to achieve 70-75% of the protection of mn95.20:10
phantomcircuiti think material from a hepa filter sandwiched between cotton would be prettty effectie20:10
friedbatyeah, hepa, or maybe vaccuum bags, or other filtration material20:11
desantnyeI bought a respirator for myself to dick around with since I needed one20:11
desantnye$16 with p100 filters included praise Bezos20:11
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NYC pauses 24-hour subway service, funeral home blasted for storing corpses in vans → https://is.gd/nP08wC20:11
friedbatand i mean 70-75% effectiveness of real n95 masks, not the "n95" stuff being made now20:12
desantnyeamazon also sells those stupid cone masks as a first party20:13
desantnyehttps://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086J9SFBD/20:13
friedbatyeah, those are crap20:14
desantnye$30.30 per 1020:14
desantnyethere was also a 50 pack listing for around $100 but it went out of stock20:14
oxalisA victorian plague mask is probably more effective20:15
desantnye"Included on FDA Emergency Use Authorization"20:15
desantnyenow the funny thing is I'm not even sure customs is supposed to let KN95s through20:15
desantnye:P  20:16
friedbatthe FDA emergency use authorization was because the US panicked it didn't have enough PPE for hospital staff20:17
friedbatif i were a nurse being told to wear this crap i'd worry 20:18
desantnyeright, but is it even allowed to be imported?20:18
friedbati have no idea20:18
desantnyethat's the curious catch 22 20:18
friedbati think everything is broken down20:18
desantnyeI have a hunch nobody is suppose to import these but somehow amazon is selling packs of them20:18
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:10 UTC: (news): Lime lays off 13% of staff as coronavirus batters scooter-sharing start-ups → https://is.gd/4A49Gr20:18
friedbatpeople are even bringing this stuff in in private chartered planes20:19
friedbati doubt they go through customs20:19
friedbatjust land at airstrips and offload20:19
friedbatwhen all this is over, one story about covid-19 is how much bank chinese factories made selling bullshit "ppe" to other countries20:19
friedbatit'll have been in the billions and billions of dollars20:20
desantnyealso I've been trying to buy n95s but amazon's instructions don't work20:20
friedbatLjL can correct me if i'm wrong, but there was even a story about how early on Italy donated a lot of its PPE stockpile to China (early on) and then when Italy was in bad shape, China *sold* it back to them20:21
desantnye"Temporarily out of stock.20:21
desantnyeyeah well I can't even check these out to backorder them20:21
BrainstormUpdates for US: +3200 cases (now 1078476), +236 deaths (now 62535) since an hour ago — Pennsylvania, US: +1023 cases (now 46888), +96 deaths (now 2450) since 10 hours ago — Canada: +944 cases (now 53013), +98 deaths (now 3180) since an hour ago20:21
LjLfriedbat, i can confirm the former from what i've heard from the media, and i can confirm that we have received many masks from China later, but i don't know if they *sold* them back to us. our government/media gave it a pretty positive spin on China, which may be unsurprising given we semi-recently signed an important trade agreement with China20:22
desantnyereally good price though if they honor it for anyone20:22
desantnye3M 8200HB3-A Sanding and Fiberglass Respirator, 20-Pack 20:22
pynasounds like "don't inhale ground-up n95 masks"20:23
desantnyeI have a hunch they're losing money filling these orders20:23
desantnyeif they're even filling these20:23
desantnyebecause I can't figure out how to backorder them20:23
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 18:19 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il livethread fa pausa per cena → https://is.gd/Vlyepf20:26
desantnyesomeone told me the masks arrived20:30
desantnyeI'm not there since I'm out sick20:31
desantnyepraise Bezos20:31
desantnye"they look like surgical masks"20:32
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 18:28 UTC: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson says UK is past the peak of outbreak: Boris Johnson says he will set out a plan next week on the economy, schools and transport beyond lockdown. → https://is.gd/0laCro20:33
LjLhttps://np.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/g3qykm/suppression_of_covid19_outbreak_in_the/fntz1c7/20:35
desantnyeman my lungs don't feel well20:37
desantnyestill wonder about that negative result I had20:38
BrainstormNew from r/Italy Live* at 18:38 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: A domani → https://is.gd/zAykTd20:40
Birosso%CASES WORLD20:43
BrainstormBirosso: In all areas, worldwide, there are 3.3 million total cases (0.0% of the population) and 231731 deaths (7.1% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 32.8 million tests were performed (10.0% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 18.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=worldwide for time series data.20:43
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:38 UTC: (news): Watch live: New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy holds a press conference on the coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/K9tyJb20:47
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network * at 18:49 UTC: Add "hindsight" study in Lombardy: This study shows that the epidemic started much earlier in Lombardy than the first positive case was officially determined, and possibly on January 1, 2020 → https://is.gd/ITbfvc20:54
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:58 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Greg Bluestein su Twitter: "BREAKING: Kemp to lift statewide shelter-in-place for most Georgians on Friday #gapol https://t.co/gbu2bvDZfg" → https://is.gd/mIUVuU21:01
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:02 UTC: (news): Former NYC Mayor Bloomberg is developing mobile apps to help New York state trace coronavirus cases → https://is.gd/WV0lUa21:08
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Macy's to reopen all stores in six weeks, Ford to bring back office staff in June → https://is.gd/nP08wC21:22
BrainstormUpdates for Peru: +3045 cases (now 36976), +108 deaths (now 1051) since 22 hours ago — US: +1418 cases (now 1079894), +137 deaths (now 62672) since an hour ago — Michigan, US: +980 cases (now 41379), +119 deaths (now 3789) since 22 hours ago21:22
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:24 UTC: (news): Watch live: New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy holds a press conference on the coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/K9tyJb21:29
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Macy's to reopen all stores in six weeks, Ford to bring back office staff in June → https://is.gd/nP08wC21:36
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 19:38 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: intelligence report concludes Covid-19 was not 'manmade or genetically modified' → https://is.gd/0scT0c21:43
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:45 UTC: (news): Reopening America: A state-by-state breakdown of the status of coronavirus restrictions → https://is.gd/Un1dXt21:50
BrainstormUpdates for US: +5277 cases (now 1085171), +605 deaths (now 63277) since 33 minutes ago — Illinois, US: +2555 cases (now 52910), +140 deaths (now 2355) since a day ago — New Jersey, US: +2388 cases (now 118652), +458 deaths (now 7228) since a day ago21:52
Arsanerit605 deaths in 33 minutes?21:53
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Macy's to reopen all stores in six weeks, Ford to bring back office staff in June → https://is.gd/nP08wC21:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:57 UTC: (news): PM Boris Johnson says UK is 'past the peak' of the coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/IeKOni22:04
pynalooks like tomorrow is when US truly commits to the next wave of covid22:07
BrainstormUpdates for Brazil: +5134 cases (now 85380), +360 deaths (now 5901) since 3 hours ago — US: +330 cases (now 1085501) since 19 minutes ago — Germany: +155 cases (now 162530) since 48 minutes ago22:07
term99pyna: why do you say that?22:09
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 20:14 UTC: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson says UK is past the peak of outbreak: Boris Johnson says he will set out a plan next week on the economy, schools and transport beyond lockdown. → https://is.gd/0laCro22:18
aradeshhope we don't prematurely reopen...22:20
oxalisWith Borish, it's more of an immature reopening22:20
BrainstormUpdates for US: +2914 cases (now 1088415), +248 deaths (now 63535) since 21 minutes ago — Massachusetts, US: +1940 cases (now 62205), +157 deaths (now 3562) since 23 hours ago — Connecticut, US: +933 cases (now 27700), +89 deaths (now 2257) since 21 hours ago22:22
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:22 UTC: Watch live: Trump delivers remarks on senior citizens and the coronavirus: President Donald Trump is expected to deliver remarks Thursday on how his administration is protecting senior citizens, as the coronavirus pandemic continues to claim lives in the United States. → https://is.gd/BMzaWP22:25
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:30 UTC: (news): Gilead says it can produce 'several million' rounds of remdesivir coronavirus treatments next year → https://is.gd/Jnh9oq22:32
mefistofelesDo we know why Spain is not showing the same downward trend as others? it seems to be stabilizing22:48
mefistofelesis it counting cases that it weren't counting before? Such as deaths outside hospitals or similar, or more extensive testing in general22:48
pynaterm99: so many states "reopening" in various ways22:52
LjLmefistofeles, i don't know, but the graph for Spain shows a few "hiccups" in various parts of the more recent stages22:52
LjLmefistofeles, fwiw, https://covid19.healthdata.org/spain is still predicting a lower final death count than Italy, despite the spike (which is in new cases but also in death)22:53
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 20:45 UTC: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson says UK is past the peak of outbreak: Boris Johnson says he will set out a plan next week on the economy, schools and transport beyond lockdown. → https://is.gd/0laCro22:54
mefistofelesLjL: yeah, death adds extra variables, such as age and sex22:54
mefistofeles*deaths22:54
mefistofelesbut yeah, not sure what is happening to Spain22:54
LjLmefistofeles, there is "lockdown fatigue", there may also be "data reporting fatigue" at some point ;P22:55
mefistofeleshah probably22:56
LjLi'm worried about these rumors of spikes in Kawasaki syndrome in children, which seems to have worse symptoms than usual, too. the description of the syndrome reminds me 1) of something ubLIX often says about increasing understanding of vascular system involvement in COVID, and 2) those "COVID toes", as Kawasaki can also cause colored patches on the feet22:56
LjLi hope it doesn't turn out what children are just as affected but we thought it was something else22:57
mefistofelesyeah, dermatological effects are common in these viruses for children22:58
mefistofelesI think I heard this NYC doctor saying it happened with SARS as well22:58
LjLthe cause of Kawasaki is unknown, though, and not directly a virus, except that "It may be due to an infection triggering an autoimmune response in those who are genetically predisposed"22:59
_abc_So is remdesivir doing something or not? I see 2 studies one says yes one no.22:59
LjLthis also makes COVID-19 immediately spring to mind22:59
LjLnot that *anything* doesn't make COVID spring to mind these days, but...22:59
LjL_abc_, my bet is on "no", and i appear not to be alone (really i'm mostly betting based on what others are saying)22:59
mefistofeles_abc_: not consluvie still, but it's showing potential22:59
mefistofeles*conclusive22:59
_abc_Nobody knows what it is LjL, I think the patchy people were tested for covid and not all were found with covid?23:00
LjLtwo Chinese studies flopped, one study was announced to "have meet its main endpoints" but we still don't have it23:00
LjL_abc_, yeah, but if Kawasaki is something autoimmune that can happen *after* an infection, they may no longer be positive. we need, for a change, reliable antibody tests.23:00
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:57 UTC: (news): United Airlines swings to $1.7 billion loss in first quarter as bookings disappeared in coronavirus pandemic → https://is.gd/aGEYOA23:01
ytlyv9https://www.bing.com/covid/local/canada23:01
mefistofeles_abc_: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/30/about-remdesivir-and-about-game-changers23:01
mefistofelesyou can check that one23:01
LjLmefistofeles, oh, fresh one23:02
mefistofelesLjL: not sure why you would think  we don'thave reliable antibody tests, can you expand on that?23:02
LjLmefistofeles, i wouldn't say that we don't *have* reliable ones, it's more that we have too many different tests most of which we don't know the reliability of, and a few antibody "studies" (like NY, something in California, various places in Italy) are really just claims of which percentage of the population was found to have it, without actual papers describing the whole process and which tests were used. in Italy, for instance, the central government 23:04
LjLhas repeatedly disapproved of testing that went on in Veneto because those tests had not been validated (on Veneto's side, the central government is taking *forever* to validate anything)23:04
LjLand as you know, an antibody test that appears to have good specificity and sensitivity when just look at numbers like "95%" turns out to be pretty useless if the prevalence is actually low23:05
LjLbut in most cases we don't know the prevalence, that's what's we're trying to determine, so bit of a catch-22 thing23:05
LjLthe needs to be a smaller number of tests that are well-known to the scientific community and agreed upon as reliable23:05
LjLinstead, now everybody is selling some antibody test or other23:06
BrainstormUpdates for US: +2035 cases (now 1090450), +103 deaths (now 63638) since 54 minutes ago — California, US: +957 cases (now 49840), +58 deaths (now 2014) since 3 hours ago — Texas, US: +521 cases (now 28087) since 13 hours ago23:07
mefistofelesLjL: ok yes, I agree, it's still too soon23:12
LjLi would say that the best thing we are seeing these days is a slowdown of cases in most affected countries (with the possible exception of Singapore and perhaps some other ones i don't have on my radar), which may be partly due to the lockdowns but since it's happening roughly at the same time everywhere, perhaps there *is* some seasonal effect involved after all, too23:13
LjLthe worst thing we are learning is, if i am to believe In The Pipeline, and i probably am, we are not going to see a substantial treatment until we have a vaccine23:14
BirossoOr maybe cases are being covered up all over the globe.23:14
LjLand that is a pretty big piece of bad news23:14
LjLBirosso, tons of them *have* been23:14
_abc_What I see is that people still find new problems caused by the virus like the clotting and the neurological symptoms which may explain why it acts so weird.23:14
LjLbut that's been pretty... consistent all along ;(23:14
_abc_So far all antigen/antibody tests came up with very few people having covid antigens in all countries.23:15
LjL_abc_, that too, the whole unpredictability, children aren't infected, oh wait they are but they are asymptomatic and can't infect others, no wait they can, hey actually they do develop syndrome, woah they get Kawasaki!23:15
LjLa rather broad horizon23:15
LjL_abc_, others would dispute your "very few" claim. 15% in NY and 21% in NYC are called "many" by many. however, 1) we don't know how reliable the test they used is, and 2) the people who are calling them "many" were likely hoping to see "we're all already immune, yay!" 60%-ish levels, and so you'd be right to say 20% doesn't count as that23:16
mefistofelesit's a lot23:16
mefistofelesmore than most people were estimating23:16
LjLmefistofeles, my bet is it's also more than reality, but we'll know when they have the grade of showing us the studies and which tests they used23:18
LjLgrace*23:18
_abc_Oh not amusing "The team wrote: 'Ethnicity has major effects on thrombotic risk, with a three to our fold lower risk in Chinese compared to Caucasians and a significantly higher risk in African-Americans. 23:19
_abc_NOT AMUSING. I am white caucasian.23:19
_abc_How the frick does this bug differentiate between human subpopulations?23:20
LjL_abc_, i haden't heard of that, but it certainly wouldn't be first one to do so23:20
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network * at 21:17 UTC: ljl-covid: Add In The Pipeline article critical of Remdesivir trials → https://is.gd/BHHm5q23:22
mefistofeles_abc_: some cardiovasclar risks are associated with specific genes, and that's how 23:22
LjL"Studies  have  estimated  overall  COVID-19  mortality  rates 23:24
LjLranging  from  4.3%  to  14.6%"23:24
LjLi'm a bit surprised that an article published on April 24 would state this23:24
LjLthey must not have reviewed it very much right before publishing, uh23:24
mefistofelesLjL: which one is that?23:24
LjLthat one about ethnicity that _abc_ was mentioning23:24
LjLhttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/bjh.1674923:25
LjLbut hey it's peer-reviewed, a rarity!23:25
BirossoI don't trust peers. :|23:28
mefistofeleshaha23:28
mefistofelesLjL: I guess it's the actual data they can cite23:28
LjL_abc_, i'd say that study is much more subtle than "OMG Caucasians and Africans are fucked"23:28
mefistofelesfrom these early and flawed studies23:28
mefistofelesthis paper may have also been written weeks ago23:29
LjLthe study starts by *stating* that certain kinds of thrombosis, in general, irrespective of COVID-19, are much more common in Caucasians and even more in Africans23:29
mefistofelesdo we know when it was submitted?23:29
LjLbut then it says that those things do not really appear to occur with COVID-19, which, instead, tends to cause a different type of coagulopathy23:29
LjLso at the end of the day it says "it's interesting to note this but who knows?"23:29
mefistofelesoverall it seems like a pretty crappy journal, imho23:30
LjLmefistofeles, not sure, it says Accepted manuscript online: 24 April 202023:30
LjLbut that's the same date23:30
mefistofelesyeah, accepted is different23:30
mefistofelesthey don't even say the submission date xD hence, crappy journal23:30
mefistofelesthere's a reason why most prestigious journals report that date23:31
LjLanyhow, i don't think it's even *purporting* to say anything conclusive23:31
mefistofelestrue23:31
mefistofelesI think RKI has stopped releasing daily updates in english? :(23:33
LjLmefistofeles, and we've stopped making press conferences. and everything is re-opening. COINCIDENCE?!23:37
LjLBirosso would not think so23:37
mefistofelesprobably not23:38
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 21:40 UTC: Coronavirus live news: record rise in new cases in Brazil as deaths near 6,000: Covid-19 outbreak increasing across Africa, WHO warns; Russian prime minister diagnosed with coronavirus; Spain assigns time slots for outdoor activities → https://is.gd/qbIALd23:50
BrainstormUpdates for US: +2042 cases (now 1092492), +125 deaths (now 63763) since 49 minutes ago — Pennsylvania, US: +1111 cases (now 47999), +91 deaths (now 2541) since 3 hours ago — Tennessee, US: +369 cases (now 10735) since 22 hours ago23:53
euod[m]_abc_: why are you surprised by that? there's very clear differences in the impact of a lot of things. blood type is a clear one with COVID-19, and that's different depending on genetics. 23:56
euod[m]some countries are majority A type, some are majority O. that's clearly going to have some effect. 23:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:47 UTC: (news): United Airlines swings to $1.7 billion loss in first quarter as bookings disappeared in coronavirus pandemic → https://is.gd/aGEYOA23:57
TramtristErm.. theres a consensus on how blood type affects outcomes?23:57
TramtristI heard that waaay back when this all started.. not since23:58

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