| ubLXI | single author, no other mention of that author on google, other than that author belongs to Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution of MA, USA, so... first ever publication from this author? or fud? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| ubLXI | actually a 24 publication long list on researchgate of publications having to do with oceanography, then this pre-print on the effects of lock down regimes in Europe | 00:09 |
| oriba | ubLXI: maybe a lockdown-critics? | 00:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:13 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Malaysia rounds up migrants as UN warns of crackdown on vulnerable: Somalia reports rapid rise in Covid-19 deaths; 98 people die in one New York nursing home; Singapore eases restrictions as second wave subsides → https://is.gd/srQPVW | 00:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5085 cases (now 3.5 million), +329 deaths (now 244502) since 35 minutes ago — Brazil: +3694 cases (now 96559), +259 deaths (now 6750) since 3 hours ago — US: +1108 cases (now 1.2 million) since 35 minutes ago | 00:23 |
| ubLXI | who knows | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 22:25 UTC: worldnews: China deliberately destroyed evidence about start of coronavirus, report says → https://is.gd/wGyeZO | 00:40 |
| mefistofeles | %cases Vietnam | 00:44 |
| Brainstorm | mefistofeles: In all areas, Vietnam, there are 270 total cases (0.0% of the population) and 0 deaths (0.0% of cases) as of 15 minutes ago. 261004 tests were performed (0.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vietnam for time series data. | 00:44 |
| mefistofeles | ↑ pretty incredible | 00:44 |
| mefistofeles | we are filled with preprints on the impact of lockdowns | 00:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:40 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Malaysia rounds up migrants as UN warns of crackdown on vulnerable: Somalia reports rapid rise in Covid-19 deaths; 98 people die in one New York nursing home; Singapore eases restrictions as second wave subsides → https://is.gd/srQPVW | 00:54 |
| BobCat | I biked to the beach today. there was 12 cops playing with a drone and not wearing masks. | 00:58 |
| BobCat | we're under orders to not even SIT on the beach, have to keep moving | 00:58 |
| mefistofeles | haha | 00:59 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: let me guess, USA? | 00:59 |
| BobCat | I told a couple they should set an example LIKE I DO and they taunted me | 01:00 |
| BobCat | literally taunted and yes USA | 01:00 |
| BobCat | In one of the richest towns in the USA too | 01:00 |
| BobCat | The CEO of IBM lived about a kilometer away from me | 01:01 |
| BobCat | also GE CEO | 01:01 |
| BobCat | Oscar Hammerstein... | 01:01 |
| BobCat | Jason Robards | 01:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:59 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Silver su Twitter: "US daily numbers via @COVID19Tracking: Newly reported deaths: Today: 1,651 Yesterday: 1,743 One week ago (4/25): 1,818 Newly reported cases: T: 30K Y: 34K 4/25: 36K Newly reported tests: T: 265K Y: 305K 4/25: 271K Positive test rate: T: 11% Y: 11% 4/25: 13%" → https://is.gd/81KWvQ | 01:01 |
| BobCat | Paul Newman was in the next town | 01:02 |
| BobCat | yet we can't get smart police | 01:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:11 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 01:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: Trump hails Senate return and says Pelosi 'crazy' for not reopening House – as it happened → https://is.gd/J7p8UW | 01:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2361 cases (now 3.5 million), +165 deaths (now 244667) since an hour ago — US: +2009 cases (now 1.2 million), +143 deaths (now 67391) since an hour ago — California, US: +682 cases (now 53334) since an hour ago | 01:38 |
| sookie | "e daí" was rather a stupid thing for bolsonaro to respond when asked about brazil's 5000+ death toll | 01:40 |
| achelois | wooo 666 people | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 23:45 UTC: Covid2019: Texas park ranger pushed into water after reminding crowd about social distancing → https://is.gd/VxmO01 | 01:51 |
| LjL | oh my | 01:55 |
| mefistofeles | I'll leave for it to be 66 again | 01:56 |
| mefistofeles | 666 | 01:56 |
| achelois | I have downloaded the covidsafe tracking app... | 02:02 |
| achelois | I don't see how it can be much help because it's already illegal to be within 1.5m of others so it should pick up noone technically | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:59 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 02:06 |
| achelois | and if it does pick up someone I guess they can fine me >$1,000....yikes | 02:07 |
| LjL | speaking of these apps | 02:10 |
| LjL | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_apps | 02:11 |
| LjL | i was reading this earlier, but the table was a bit awkward to read on my phone, then i forgot | 02:11 |
| LjL | the table lacks a few data but for some of the apps it states the license and protocol they use | 02:11 |
| LjL | i like how in italy's case it says "unknown, open?" | 02:11 |
| LjL | indeed i cannot change it to anything more accurate than that | 02:12 |
| sookie | call me crazy but imma not carrying a gps tracker that sends my every move and pii to big brother | 02:12 |
| LjL | well if you don't use a smartphone you'll probably be allowed to keep doing that, except in China, and perhaps except for some activities, we'll see. | 02:14 |
| synux | sookie, Google is used to track Android users wherever they are, so not a big change in having one more app... | 02:15 |
| nixonix | also is the strategy to suppress it to zero or close (and then track all the infection chains)? if its not, and the measures society takes are not leading to it, how does those tracking apps make sense if transmissibility is already 1 or lower | 02:15 |
| nixonix | maybe it will lower the costs of tracking though... | 02:16 |
| synux | nixonix, that's the real question, who determines the threshold at which these apps should be dismantelled? Will governments keep them alive for "health issues"? | 02:18 |
| Arstil | hey, so this is fake, right? | 02:18 |
| bin_bash | no | 02:18 |
| Arstil | explain | 02:19 |
| Arstil | we should be mass dying by now | 02:19 |
| Arstil | if this was true | 02:19 |
| bin_bash | ok bye i dont have the energy to feed a troll | 02:19 |
| mefistofeles | :/ | 02:20 |
| mefistofeles | another hits the dust | 02:20 |
| mefistofeles | one* | 02:21 |
| mefistofeles | fuck, sleepy | 02:21 |
| LjL | anyone know and can explain in human english, as opposed to wikipedia english, the differences between the TCN and DP-3T protocols? | 02:23 |
| bin_bash | wikipedia english lol | 02:25 |
| LjL | just a joke but many articles really are written in a way that makes me want to stop trying to understand, and in some cases that may be justified by the sheer difficulty of the subject matter, but in other cases i read other articles and understand the important things just fine | 02:26 |
| nixonix | cant find information by googling in english (possibly could be found in german or french), but one of those pan-european tracker app projects is ROBust and privacy-presERving proximity Tracing protocol aka Robert, made by Inria. Around a week ago group of Inria researchers announced a statement where they expressed critic towards the project, saying that anonymous tracking goal is dangerous impossibility | 02:27 |
| nixonix | link here, if you find something about that | 02:27 |
| achelois | I think the Australian government is a bit strange how they think the app will work as in they are posting on twitter, "want to go to the footy? download the app" but really for everyone's safety perhaps footy even if it does return shold be played in empty stadiums for people's safety.the app wont protect them just tell them how they got infected at the footy instead of that being prevented by playing to empty stadiums in the | 02:27 |
| achelois | first place | 02:27 |
| achelois | now everyone will expect to go to the footy or pub if they down load the app but if things hit the fan here when winter comes they really probably shouldn't app or no app | 02:28 |
| achelois | go to the footy or pub if they want to lower their risk of getting it | 02:29 |
| achelois | bad idea imio | 02:29 |
| achelois | imo | 02:29 |
| nixonix | nowdays you cant even put a billie on without an app | 02:30 |
| LjL | the Comparison paragraph at https://www.zfnd.org/blog/private-contact-tracing-protocols-compared/ makes it seem like CEN (which i suspect mostly turned into TCN) is more private in some ways than DP-3T, but i fail to understand the specifics | 02:32 |
| LjL | nixonix, i have heard of ROBERT, but only in terms of "it's an effort that Germany and France are pushing for a more centralized protocol so that they can obtain contact graphs but that obviously make it more privacy-invasive" | 02:33 |
| LjL | which may be incomplete and/or inaccurate | 02:33 |
| LjL | and i don't speak German so that was found somewhere in English | 02:33 |
| nixonix | yeah, i just read that those common eu apps wont likely materialize | 02:34 |
| LjL | nixonix, i think whatever Google and Apple want to make is the only thing that can materialize | 02:36 |
| LjL | since as i understand from rumors, they are pretty much denying any other type of app sufficient OS access, especially Apple | 02:36 |
| LjL | i mean, not that Apple is especially denying it, but with iOS it's harder to have an app like that in the first place than it is with (some versions of) Android | 02:37 |
| LjL | and these apps are definitely going to encounter hurdles, but if most users can't install them at all because their OS makers don't allow them, well, may as well not start making them | 02:37 |
| LjL | but Google+Apple's approach seems to me to be a bit of an embrace, extend, extinguish type of thing | 02:38 |
| LjL | well not extinguish | 02:38 |
| LjL | but they basically said "yes, we like DP-3T and the other privacy-preserving one! we'll make a thing like that!" | 02:38 |
| LjL | which at first, sounded like they wanted to *enable* a thing like that | 02:38 |
| LjL | instead they *made* a thing like that, their own thing, which is going to be part of the Google Play Service (no idea on the Apple side), so NOT open source | 02:38 |
| LjL | while DP-3T and TCN and such decentralized protocols were originally also very much about being open source | 02:39 |
| LjL | but DP-3T is now apparently going to... adopt Google's thing -.- | 02:39 |
| LjL | so, well played, i guess, and also, fuck you | 02:39 |
| LjL | so basically Italy's app (or insert your own country's app here) may well be open source, but it's going to be practically an empty shell, as the gruntwork will be done by closed source stuff in Google's services | 02:40 |
| LjL | if anything, the apps will be able to *add more privacy-invasive stuff* over what the basic protocol does | 02:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 00:35 UTC: ljl-covid: Add Wikipedia article with contact tracing apps/protocols tables → https://is.gd/IWOC5o | 02:41 |
| achelois | Australian government telling people it's ok to go to the pub or football during a pandemic if you have a simple app on your phone is really bad advice | 02:42 |
| LjL | are they really saying that? | 02:43 |
| sookie | probably not | 02:43 |
| sookie | sounds like a dumb media headline | 02:43 |
| achelois | https://twitter.com/GregHuntMP/status/1256403073674739712?s=20 | 02:44 |
| achelois | from the mouth of some dude in charge | 02:44 |
| achelois | or twitter feed anyway | 02:45 |
| achelois | maybe it was the work experience kid | 02:45 |
| sookie | dumb tweet | 02:46 |
| nixonix | In centralised report processing protocols a user must upload their entire contact log to a health authority administered server, where the health authority is then responsible for matching the log entries to contact details, ascertaining potential contact, and ultimately warning users of potential contact. | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 00:45 UTC: Remove some of the ranting: Everybody knows it's a pandemic blah blah by now, some are still playing it down, but whaever, this is outdated, it's in almost every country now → https://is.gd/zozwPK | 02:48 |
| LjL | nixonix, note that i haven't seen any of these protocols yet (not saying one doesn't exist somewhere, but i haven't seen it) where once you've tested positive, you *don't* upload your contact log to a central server. the difference lies in whether or not the central server sees numbers that mean anything to it. if they don't, it will send the log to every smartphone, and then the matching is done locally, and this is basically how the various decentralized | 02:49 |
| LjL | flavors work, minus differences i haven't understood, but that the last post i linked lists | 02:49 |
| ytlyv9 | https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/01/us/grim-reaper-florida-beaches-trnd/index.html | 02:49 |
| LjL | dTal, see? you'd have known this MINUTES ago! | 02:49 |
| LjL | wasn't in Chile in the end, but hey | 02:49 |
| LjL | close enough | 02:49 |
| dTal | ...I would? | 02:50 |
| BobCat | tests are nonsense at this point, you get tested you are positive, there's no treatment. you are negative, go isolate for 14 days anyway | 02:51 |
| BobCat | when they tried to test and trace the first month it might have worked | 02:51 |
| BobCat | cdc had a whole t n t systemthat got screwed by a basd reagant and too many cases | 02:52 |
| BobCat | wait it is time for my daily disclaimer | 02:53 |
| BobCat | I have been masked and gloved in public since 29 Feb. | 02:53 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: not true | 02:54 |
| mefistofeles | testing helps keep track of the actual spread of the infection | 02:54 |
| BobCat | well, actually true, test helps IF they traced | 02:54 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: no, not only for tracing | 02:54 |
| BobCat | keeping stats doesn't stop infection, tracing and isolating does | 02:55 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: tracing is not for keeping stats | 02:55 |
| BobCat | if I die it doesn't matter why | 02:55 |
| mefistofeles | s to know if the measures taken are having effects, for example | 02:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 02:55 |
| mefistofeles | s/tracing/testing | 02:55 |
| BobCat | tracing is not for stats, agree | 02:55 |
| mefistofeles | I meant testing | 02:56 |
| BobCat | testing without tracing is useless | 02:56 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: no, it'snot | 02:56 |
| nixonix | it also confirms (within the limits of tests sensitivity, specificity, and chances to actually catch the infection eg from swab) to the infected that she really has sars-2 infection, and prob makes her to be more careful. and gives some pressure to stay self-quarantined | 02:56 |
| BobCat | I keep hearing people complaining they can't get tested, but if they did, nothing would change | 02:57 |
| mefistofeles | nixonix: exactly | 02:57 |
| nixonix | then if they get more tracking personnel or the numbers go down enough, they can possibly try to track them all | 02:57 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: no, not true | 02:57 |
| BobCat | no, just isolate if there is any doubt... | 02:57 |
| oriba | Israel stops using phone tracking to enforce COVID-19 quarantines | 02:57 |
| mefistofeles | you can see how countries with better testing (Germany , Australia New Zealand, Iceland, etc.) actually have better outcomes | 02:57 |
| oriba | Overseers believe the harm to privacy outweighs the benefits. | 02:57 |
| oriba | https://www.engadget.com/israel-halts-phone-tracking-for-covid-19-quarantine-184622314.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9ibG9nLmZlZmUuZGUvP3RzPWEwNWI5MDdm&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAACMAm-UnkXkeooz0WNBqnbkQsHtakbfNfv7AxOTF+uO-2jMj78uIkdjwqBNcefNjoMFugoM2jD-EWJu-mcJHWOcxCSzJ8cr579ktaJLmVG3ZCeoLh-yvoGjf6aQW9q9HIOwYWJYRxu0fDxq50M7-DU62BcTCcvCsjPWUJClUtYoaD&guccounter=2 | 02:57 |
| mefistofeles | because they can know more exactly what's the state of the infection | 02:58 |
| mefistofeles | even though it still has errors, surely | 02:58 |
| achelois | I'm starting to think politicians shouldn't be able to tweet without a scientist present who might be able to say...ummm...actually that might be a bad idea | 02:58 |
| nixonix | and also gives some peace of mind for those gone through, that they prob have some immunity. not 100% but still very likely | 02:58 |
| mefistofeles | politicians shouldn't tweet, period. | 02:58 |
| sookie | achelois: except scientists aren't elected | 02:58 |
| achelois | s/bad/good | 02:58 |
| achelois | well maybe they should listen to the scientists | 02:58 |
| sookie | they should, when it's a matter for science | 02:58 |
| BobCat | Ok everyone, I am hearing every day someone on the radio saying they tried to get tested because they were sick but went to work anyway | 02:58 |
| achelois | more | 02:59 |
| mefistofeles | sookie: let the scientist do that | 02:59 |
| mefistofeles | and not by twitter | 02:59 |
| tinwhiskers | imperfect testing is still useful for informing policy decisions even if it may not be particularly helpful to individuals. | 02:59 |
| BobCat | sick means STAY HOME | 02:59 |
| sookie | they should also listen to economists | 02:59 |
| nixonix | and they could be used to work with sick patients, public traffic etc with less protection (imo) | 02:59 |
| sookie | because doctors might say "lock down forever" because they only see one dimension | 02:59 |
| nixonix | and if symptoms get worse, better evaluation when to go to hospital (or not) | 03:00 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: well, there'sa shortage in testing, not much you can do there, that doesn't mean it'suseless | 03:00 |
| ytlyv9 | no one with brains is every elected just look at trump | 03:00 |
| mefistofeles | that just mean the country was badly prepared for this | 03:00 |
| tinwhiskers | sookie: the job of a politician is to seek expert advice from all areas including economics and medicine, and then make a call based on all information. We should no more just look to economists that doctors. | 03:00 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: I have the feeling this is USA, right? | 03:00 |
| BobCat | illegal aliens in fact | 03:00 |
| mefistofeles | so yeah, crappy preparation and crappy health system... also local CDC messing up the tsting, etc. | 03:01 |
| sookie | tinwhiskers: no, the job of a politician is to represent the interests of those who elected him. and if he or she doesn't do that, the population can elect someone else next time around | 03:01 |
| BobCat | I listen to public radio 24/7 | 03:01 |
| BobCat | we'll debate how good the usa system is after we get stats from .eu | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | sookie: yes, and to make the best decisions for the public you need to be fully, not just informed by economists, nor just by doctors. | 03:02 |
| mefistofeles | we have been getting stats from EU for months now | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | *fully informed | 03:02 |
| nixonix | lots of testing, early enough, helped norway and germany to get transmissibility down fast | 03:02 |
| sookie | now, in doing their job, politicians might wish to seek advice from experts, from other politicians, etc. that's a means. | 03:02 |
| nixonix | and to protect their seniors | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | sookie: right | 03:03 |
| nixonix | others too | 03:03 |
| BobCat | the us testing got immediately swamped by the huge numbers of travellers | 03:03 |
| sookie | and science is a spectrum | 03:03 |
| tinwhiskers | sookie: but I think it's a mistake to say economists are the best people to make a decision in a medical crisis. You need input from both. | 03:03 |
| sookie | there are scientists who believed covid had an R0 of 3 and a mortality rate of 5% | 03:03 |
| sookie | there are scientists who believe otherwise | 03:03 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: it also got delayed at least a week (which is a lot in exponential growth) because of the US CDC screwing things up | 03:04 |
| sookie | it's not like "believe science" is a monolithic thing | 03:04 |
| BobCat | us will go to mandatory quarantine for EVERYONE travelling there | 03:04 |
| BobCat | mefistofeles yep, goddamn lab error | 03:04 |
| nixonix | in usa testing delayed bad, and early outbreak areas new york and nj are mess (getting a bit better now) | 03:04 |
| sookie | however, there is also a politics in science | 03:04 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: funny how other europeans countries didn't have that... makes you wonder xD | 03:04 |
| sookie | people will use science that supports their agenda and ignore science that goes against it | 03:04 |
| BobCat | new york mayor was telling people to go visit their favorite bar an Mar 15 | 03:05 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: because they weren't testing :) | 03:05 |
| mefistofeles | so they thought the numbers were ok | 03:05 |
| BobCat | mefistofeles Italy Spain... | 03:05 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: cool countries | 03:06 |
| BobCat | good food bad coughs | 03:06 |
| LjL | dTal, yeah. see https://twitter.com/BrainstormBot and/or https://www.reddit.com/r/Earthquakes/comments/gchfyb/near_coast_of_northern_chile_sismo_earthquake/ and look at the timestamps | 03:07 |
| LjL | warning came shortly before i randomly mentioned it to you, then the message in this channel came later from official sources | 03:07 |
| BobCat | wait is the quake causing coughs | 03:07 |
| mefistofeles | BobCat: can you stop the nonsense? Please | 03:08 |
| BobCat | I did not insert the temblor | 03:08 |
| sookie | there have been more than usual quakes lately, right? | 03:08 |
| sookie | greece, puerto rico, peru, japan | 03:08 |
| BobCat | not unusual | 03:09 |
| mefistofeles | sookie: not really | 03:09 |
| iz | it's not unusual to have quakes for anyone.. | 03:10 |
| BobCat | Listen to Tom Jones | 03:10 |
| iz | yay BobCat | 03:10 |
| BobCat | ha | 03:10 |
| BobCat | jinx | 03:10 |
| mefistofeles | I know, first hand, that there are places where the earth shakes every single day with a scale of more than 4 | 03:10 |
| mefistofeles | but they don't get reported, because of the same reason, basically | 03:10 |
| sookie | speaking of quakes, one thing that was impressive when i heard it because i hadn't considered it, but it makes sense. seismologists around the world noticed a considerable drop in ambient seismic noise after the coronavirus lockdowns | 03:11 |
| mefistofeles | sookie: ah yeah, that was interesting | 03:12 |
| iz | from like less trucks and trains? | 03:12 |
| mefistofeles | iz: and factories and people | 03:12 |
| iz | ah yeah | 03:12 |
| sookie | trucks, cars, trains, people | 03:12 |
| LjL | sookie, no, i wouldn't say there have been more quakes than usual. there are kinda always many quakes if you follow them. | 03:21 |
| LjL | sookie, yes, but that's more... ambient seismometer noise than ambient *seismic* noise | 03:22 |
| LjL | on the other hand | 03:22 |
| LjL | there have been some fake earthquakes registered sometimes due to sports fans in stadiums all jumping up for a goal or something :P | 03:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3665 cases (now 3.5 million), +179 deaths (now 244846) since an hour ago — Mexico: +1349 cases (now 22088), +89 deaths (now 2061) since a day ago — US: +1344 cases (now 1.2 million), +53 deaths (now 67444) since an hour ago | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 01:02 UTC: Coronavirus: A Chinese propaganda video mocks America’s response to the coronavirus crisis → https://is.gd/bRwGw3 | 03:24 |
| BobCat | LjL I made the first report of the 9/11 wtc quake from the lamont dohery seismos | 03:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 03:31 |
| BobCat | nytimes repoerted it a day later | 03:31 |
| BobCat | doherty... | 03:31 |
| achelois | Some people in charge here say children do not get covid-19 so much nor spreach it much...do you think this is accurate? | 03:32 |
| achelois | s/spreach/spread | 03:32 |
| BobCat | only a Sith believes in absolutes | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think Mr Drosten of RKI published a study regarding that on last Thursday | 03:33 |
| LjL | achelois, i think it may depend on their age, based on something someone clueful here tends to suspect | 03:35 |
| YYZ | BobCat, how true is it that "only a Sith believes in absolutes" | 03:35 |
| YYZ | on a side note, is BobCat a Sith? | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and IIRC the results suggested children get infected less but if they are, they get same amount of virus in their throat like adults | 03:35 |
| achelois | one 'expert' says one thing another another | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nope | 03:36 |
| YYZ | tests for antibodies suggest 60+million already had CV | 03:36 |
| YYZ | the advertised death rates are overblown, even as they underperform predictions by millions | 03:36 |
| achelois | to be it's obviously not accurate because kids have caught, spread and died ofit | 03:37 |
| achelois | YYZ, I heard also that deaths might be underreported | 03:37 |
| achelois | it was in the news today | 03:37 |
| BobCat | ok, since we're not experts here, let me toss out an idea. ACE2 receptors in the lungs are the entry to the vc, so inhaling a lot is bad and your system gets overwhelmed - but- intestines have ACE2 receptors too, so could you SWALLOW the virus, infecting the intestines, and kicking the immune system into gear? | 03:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 01:33 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Blake News su Twitter: "Here is the FT death graph — the US. Is plateauing, not falling… " → https://is.gd/Ll5UIf | 03:38 |
| achelois | like this yyz https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-death-toll-could-be-nearly-double-official-uk-figures-new-analysis-says/news-story/aa9649b8ffec6a708a900f61c0afa432 | 03:38 |
| BobCat | the diarrhea symptoms seem pretty mild | 03:38 |
| YYZ | if 60mil have or had CV, then 15+% of people who die have CV, and they're attributing death via CV to anyone with CV | 03:39 |
| YYZ | I was sick las December, I think I had CV already | 03:39 |
| BobCat | yyz where are you? | 03:39 |
| sookie | last December? Where do you live? | 03:39 |
| YYZ | Southern California | 03:39 |
| sookie | possible then | 03:39 |
| BobCat | I had some asthma in early march, no idea if it was the cv | 03:39 |
| YYZ | It's probable imo, I had 2 different sicknesses | 03:40 |
| YYZ | I had some asthma like symptoms in summer too | 03:40 |
| sookie | summer as in last june/july? | 03:40 |
| sookie | that wasn't covid | 03:40 |
| YYZ | late july/august | 03:40 |
| sookie | not covid | 03:40 |
| YYZ | I also think there are 2 types of CV, both conferring antibodies, one more deadly, and one like a bad cold | 03:41 |
| YYZ | that would explain conflicting reports about symptoms | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those two types must have magic hidden properties then since the DNA sequncing didn't reveal any such two types | 03:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there might however be a difference in inhalation depth and amount of virus, resulting in a mild or severe attack | 03:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:38 UTC: Texas posts third straight day of 1,000 new cases as state reopens: Covid-19 has infected more than 3.4 million people around the world as of Friday, killing at least 242,270 people. → https://is.gd/uFyovJ | 03:45 |
| nb | YYZ, aren't there also a good number of people who are completely asymptomatic? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some studies *seem* to suggest a vitamin D correlation to severity of covid attack | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | might be BS | 03:47 |
| YYZ | nb, perhaps. I was sick twice. The first time I went to work and wrote it off as a mild cold, until the 4th day I was wiped out, and it lasted about a week | 03:48 |
| sookie | DocScrutinizer05: there was some talk about some mutations that made the european covid virus somewhat more virulent than the one that spread through china | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I heard of no such findings in any sequencing | 03:49 |
| sookie | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20060160v2 | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | au contraire, all studies regarding mutations I heard of so far say the variations found so far allow tracking of virus spread/"genealogy" but don't establish and difference in virus effects and behavior | 03:50 |
| YYZ | sookie, if there's a benign form, it could have been purposely (and covertly) spread as a way to form herd immunity | 03:50 |
| LjL | YYZ, the "two strains" theory was formed and debunked in the span of like a week | 03:51 |
| LjL | but somehow it keeps getting repeated | 03:51 |
| LjL | there aren't two strains | 03:51 |
| YYZ | LjL, what about the man-made virus theory endorsed by a Nobel Prize winner? | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sookie: on *rxiv there's over 2/3 of mere bullshit according to our most competent corona virologist and reviewer of those studies, Mr Drosten | 03:52 |
| LjL | YYZ, nobel prize in fictional literature? | 03:52 |
| YYZ | I have no idea, the NP means about as much to me as the prizes in a box of Cracker Jax | 03:53 |
| nb | great......... now there's going to be a run on vitamin d probably | 03:54 |
| sookie | LjL: what was debunked, the Cambridge study that classified CV into three strains? | 03:54 |
| YYZ | isn't Vitamin D associated with sunlight ? | 03:54 |
| LjL | sookie, no, i must have missed that one | 03:54 |
| sookie | vitamin D is synthesized by the skin on exposure to sunlight | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nb: or just gave a walk in the sun, which is prolly cheaper and better effect | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | have* | 03:55 |
| LjL | sookie, i'm thinking of https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463 being debunked by among other things http://virological.org/t/response-to-on-the-origin-and-continuing-evolution-of-sars-cov-2/418 | 03:55 |
| sookie | https://www.pnas.org/content/117/17/9241 | 03:55 |
| sookie | i'm referring to this ^ | 03:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sookie: I already explained that the strains found are proven to have no effect | 03:55 |
| sookie | don't explain anything | 03:55 |
| sookie | you don't know | 03:56 |
| sookie | we're still in the phase where we're trying to understand how covid interacts with its human host | 03:56 |
| sookie | there are studies showing different effects in vero cells from different strains | 03:57 |
| sookie | maybe they don't have different effects but why wouldn't they? different strains of flu have different effects. it's logical to think that if you vary a virus, it might interact differently with its host. | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm, still in the phase to try and understand gumans. And their weird reactions. I could dig up the word of the guy who found and classified corona virus back when and he is the leader of the reference lab in Germany and he said there's no difference in strains | 03:58 |
| achelois | actually it's a good thing if experts disagree | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | humans, even | 03:59 |
| achelois | if everyone agree it's an echo chamber and noone can say an alternative view even if they might be right | 03:59 |
| sookie | science is good unless it's science that concludes something i don't like | 03:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:56 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 04:00 |
| achelois | haha | 04:00 |
| achelois | people can use science to find papers/scientists that agree with their already held view | 04:00 |
| ryouma``` | at what point does transitive touching stop being an issue? if something not decontaminated, then touched, then hands touch bowl, then person 2's hands touch bowl, then person 2's hands touch glasses, are glasses pertty much ok? | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like with cooks or teachers or plumbers there are competent and less competent scientists. And at least for plumbers and scientists your problem usually is you can't tell apart the good from the less competent ones | 04:02 |
| sookie | hard to say, though that could be tested. the question is what is a critical mass needed for infection. | 04:02 |
| sookie | also, the virus naturally degrades with time on surfaces, so time between transitivity is important | 04:03 |
| sookie | does A touch glass and B touch immediately after or waits 5 minutes? etc. | 04:03 |
| ryouma``` | eyeglasses | 04:03 |
| ryouma``` | all within a few hours | 04:03 |
| sookie | plus amounts are important | 04:03 |
| sookie | if i have just a viruses on my fingertips and hold a glass it's different than if i have a hand slobbered in gooey bugger juice | 04:04 |
| ryouma``` | yeah | 04:04 |
| sookie | just a few* | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | double transfer plus "gew hours" makes it prolly unlikely to cause any effect | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | few* | 04:04 |
| ryouma``` | i don't know what the latest is on certain surfaces, nor the amounts that were used to determine those. i presume they chose some amount that is consiered typical or high typical. | 04:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn G! | 04:04 |
| sookie | ryouma```: my guess is that transmissibility degrades exponentially with time and also with hops in the chain | 04:05 |
| sookie | and then there's the surface material too | 04:06 |
| sookie | some surfaces might be less hospitable than others to the funky covid | 04:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 04:06 |
| ryouma``` | these are all metal or ceramic except package which is unknown but probalby e.g. a cardboard carton with some kind of coating on it that holds liquids | 04:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:00 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 3.4 million, death toll over 243,600: The United States reported the most number of cases, with over 1.1 million infections and more than 66,000 deaths, Hopkins data showed. → https://is.gd/JzFyar | 04:07 |
| ryouma``` | and then ther eis ehq quesiton of all the stuff that goes into refirgerator like nose spray. so i touch bowl, then nose spray, but then it goes back in refirfgerator | 04:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ryouma```: occasional alcohol cloth wiping clean all that stuff, plus washing your hands before and after touching it, should mostly do. No? | 04:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rule of thumb: don't estimate what's dangerous or safe, just make it safe and stop worrying | 04:11 |
| ytlyv9 | https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/airlines-masks-middle-seats-beverage-service/index.html | 04:11 |
| ryouma``` | have no alcohol wipes i think, and bedrdidden so cannot get up to wash hands. maybe i fi can find smoe hand sanitizer is houdl jhust sort of random ly use it occasionally. on second thought wiping would be not realistically possible for me due to arm fatigue. | 04:11 |
| ryouma``` | i do get up to sash hands but that is only rarely (when i need to go to bathroom as opposed to when i have touched some dodgy bowl) | 04:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:06 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: European leaders join forces to find vaccine as France proposes 14-day quarantine on entry → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 04:14 |
| ryouma``` | on https://covidly.com/?country=United%20States&showStates=1 the colored ball health score for ny is quite high despite it being the worst | 04:14 |
| ryouma``` | high=good | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you shouldn't *have* dodgy bowls, to star with | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | start with* | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey RKI! GRRRR how long can it take to convert that data to csv?! | 04:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or is that deployment delay in that CDS? | 04:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CDN | 04:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Last updated 1 hour ago" on https://npgeo-corona-npgeo-de.hub.arcgis.com/datasets/dd4580c810204019a7b8eb3e0b329dd6_0/data but he CSV download is still not updated yet | 04:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* arcgis sucks | 04:38 |
| ryouma``` | DocScrutinizer05: don't have control over that. i can't be the one doing the decontaminating. | 04:38 |
| ryouma``` | so i am just wondering to try to minimize further issues. if exponentially per hop then maybe that is good. | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | who's contaminating your bowls? can't you instruct them to improve theeir behavior? | 04:39 |
| ryouma``` | so most virus out there is from shedders as opposed to stuff spread around? | 04:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's assumed vast majority of infections are by "direct" contact and aerosol transfer | 04:40 |
| ryouma``` | DocScrutinizer05: i have done the best i can to instruct but likely cannot do more. | 04:40 |
| ryouma``` | yesterday, she stopped halfway during decontaminating to make food, then transfer laundry, then continued decontaminating. i should ask if she is using a sprayer. that might eliminate the problem of her randomly dabbing instead of wiping entire surface. | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 04:41 |
| ryouma``` | maybe you can spray h2o2 then just leave it on or smoething | 04:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:36 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Global cases top 3.4 million, death toll over 243,600: The United States reported the most number of cases, with over 1.1 million infections and more than 66,000 deaths, Hopkins data showed. → https://is.gd/JzFyar | 04:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try to get some refreshing tissues, worst case from McDonals etc, and clean your hands after touching bowls. Also clean the stuff you're touching with your mouth before you do | 04:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | spraying H2O2 sounds like an appropriate means as well | 04:47 |
| ryouma``` | so she can literally just take in groceries, spray h2o2, leave it a few minutes, wash her hands, then she is done? | 04:49 |
| ryouma``` | + quarantining stuff for a few days which wshe would also sdo | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, I would feel sufficiently safe with that. I'm risk group member | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however you should get some hand desinfectant | 04:55 |
| ryouma``` | what is the latest on number of days for surfaces? i guess teh biggest transmission vector for me (risk group member too) is stainless spoon and ceramic mug and bowl. i eat quite frequently so hand sanitizer would have to be a lot i think but i could do occasionally. but the big thing would be convincinv her to wash those things well i guess. maybe i could deal with wiping keyboard if i had alcohol wipes. | 05:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 03:06 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Calif. City Official Sacked for Saying COVID Will ‘Fix’ Society by Killing Elderly, Homeless, Sick → https://is.gd/fcsjs8 | 05:11 |
| ryouma``` | if i have an emergency dental visit, is there a mask i can wear over my nose only? | 05:15 |
| YYZ | lol | 05:15 |
| LjL | ryouma```, it's called pinching your nose | 05:16 |
| ryouma``` | no i have to breathe through nose while fingers and instruments and fragments of teeth and water and stuff are in my mouth | 05:17 |
| ryouma``` | if i can keep onse clea that is | 05:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:14 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Swiss drugmaker Roche says it received US emergency use approval for its antibody test: Roche said it received an emergency use authorization from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for an antibody test that can determine if people have ever been infected with the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/JzFyar | 05:18 |
| ryouma``` | so there should exist n95 nose masks | 05:18 |
| LjL | ryouma```, honestly i don't see how that would help | 05:18 |
| LjL | if your mouth is wide open... | 05:18 |
| ryouma``` | wherebeer you breathe from draws air in | 05:19 |
| ryouma``` | i presume that the antibody test will give false negatifes if the person loses immunity or never gained it | 05:19 |
| LjL | well technically that would be a true negative | 05:20 |
| LjL | but a false negative if your question is "did you have covid" | 05:20 |
| LjL | but the antibody test is about, well, antibodies | 05:20 |
| ryouma``` | right | 05:25 |
| ryouma``` | but it is a false negativer for what the blulb said | 05:25 |
| ryouma``` | s/clea/clear/ | 05:26 |
| Flaviker | !covid | 05:27 |
| CoronaBot | Total cases: 3,484,176 (+2,825), deaths: 244,778 (+115), recovered: 1,121,524. Active cases: 2,117,874, 2,067,016 are in a mild condition, 50,858 are in a serious condition. Mortality: 7.03%, case fatality rate: 17.92%. Case rate: 83,257/24h, death rate: 5,215/24h. Last update: 18m ago. | 05:28 |
| Flaviker | !covid bulgaria | 05:28 |
| CoronaBot | Bulgaria: Global rank: #77, cases: 1,594, fatalities: 72, active cases: 1,235, total recovered: 287, in a serious condition: 43. Mortality: 4.52%, case fatality rate: 20.06%, cases/1M: 229.0, deaths/1M: 10.0. Case rate: 39/24h, death rate: 4/24h. Tests: 47,636, tests/1M: 6,856. | 05:28 |
| LjL | ryouma```, blulb? | 05:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:25 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: European leaders join forces to find vaccine as France proposes 14-day quarantine on entry → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 05:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OH C'MON RKI/ARCGIS!!! it's already almost 1/4 of a day after the data get finalized, and 5h after your corona.rki.de got updated | 05:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and still the csv is obsolete | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | am I supposed to download and dissect 12600 webpages from https://npgeo-corona-npgeo-de.hub.arcgis.com/datasets/dd4580c810204019a7b8eb3e0b329dd6_0/data ??? | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sucks! >:-( | 05:37 |
| ryouma``` | LjL: blulb = typo for blurb | 05:38 |
| LjL | oh | 05:38 |
| LjL | ryouma```, but what difference does it make? if your antibody test comes out negative, it means you don't have antibodies, which *likely* means you can get covid [again] | 05:38 |
| LjL | so even if you had it and it tells you "no"... the thing that matters is whether or not you still can get it, no? | 05:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for all practical purposes, yes | 05:39 |
| ryouma``` | i am too fried to read between the lines like that but it sounds riht | 05:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh shit! >>Last-Modified: Sun, 03 May 2020 01:17:53 GMT<< however the data is the same like yesterday. So in other words: they fubared the csv yet another time, seems they do that twice a week now | 05:47 |
| LjL | ryouma```, when you see the dentist the most important thing is that THEY (dentist, assistants) all wear masks | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 05:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and NOT FFP2 with *outlet valve* | 05:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, there are FFP2 without, I got one here | 05:49 |
| LjL | mostly they are sold as FFP2 while really being KN95 stuff that may be whatever | 05:50 |
| LjL | but yeah | 05:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:39 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 05:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 04:02 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Is LERONLIMAB A Game Changer? Coronavirus (COVID-19) Treatment | How does LERONLIMAB Work? → https://is.gd/nQou0R | 06:08 |
| LjL | such nice words are being coined / becoming current | 06:17 |
| LjL | <ekster_> .j 行き倒れ | 06:17 |
| LjL | <K5> 行き倒れ [いきだおれ;ゆきだおれ] /(n) person collapsed and dying (dead) in the street/ | 06:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 06:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:31 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Swiss drugmaker Roche says it received US emergency use approval for its antibody test: Roche said it received an emergency use authorization from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for an antibody test that can determine if people have ever been infected with the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/JzFyar | 06:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 06:50 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Boris Johnson says his health deteriorated so badly after contracting coronavirus that a strategy was drawn up in case he died. (10365 votes) | https://redd.it/gcfwt6 | 06:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:17 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Swiss drugmaker Roche says it received US emergency use approval for its antibody test: Roche said it received an emergency use authorization from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration for an antibody test that can determine if people have ever been infected with the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/JzFyar | 07:26 |
| truthr | when they harvest the antibodies from covid 19 recovered person, does that mean they just separate out all the plasma of their blood and put it into the covid 19 patient, or do they somehow extract just the specific antibodies for covid 19 from the donated blood and put that into the patient>? | 07:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 07:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: just 1 in 5 Britons favours lifting lockdown as travel within China up 50% since April → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 07:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 08:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: just 1 in 5 Britons favours lifting lockdown as travel within China up 50% since April → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 08:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:33 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live update: people enjoy eased restrictions as four states record new cases – latest news → https://is.gd/gwM91j | 08:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: just 1 in 5 Britons favours lifting lockdown as travel within China up 50% since April → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 08:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2018 cases (now 3.5 million) since 5 hours ago — Quebec, Canada: +1008 cases (now 29664), +114 deaths (now 2136) since a day ago — Brazil: +541 cases (now 97100) since 8 hours ago | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 07:06 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: La mappa delle emozioni degli italiani. L'intelligenza artificiale analizza la semantica dei post sui vari social network e ne estrapola le emozioni degli utenti. → https://is.gd/IKxV5Q | 09:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:17 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: just 1 in 5 Britons favours lifting lockdown as travel within China up 50% since April → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 09:27 |
| _abc_ | Does anyone have a link on a site explaining why the covid sick and dead count is not smooth but follows some strange periodicity and is more like a sawtooth waveform graph? | 09:33 |
| BobCat | the data is very bad | 09:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:31 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global cases near 3.5 million as travel within China up 50% since April → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 09:48 |
| BobCat | there's no standards, testing is either targetted or random, NY state wasn't even counting deaths in care homes until lately | 09:48 |
| BobCat | By the way, everyone in this channel should watch Dr John Campbell's updates every day. He is the best reporter on the plague. | 09:50 |
| BobCat | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRmt78mAKfg | 09:50 |
| BobCat | do it. | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +11452 cases (now 3.5 million), +67 deaths (now 244957) since 47 minutes ago — Russia: +10633 cases (now 134687), +58 deaths (now 1280) since 22 hours ago — Singapore: +657 cases (now 18205) since 15 hours ago | 09:51 |
| ryouma``` | LjL: where is this comign from .j 行き倒れ | 09:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:00 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Un Messaggio Riguardo il Livethread → https://is.gd/UglrzU | 10:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:05 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Economia → https://is.gd/GGFllr | 10:10 |
| ryouma``` | c | 10:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:16 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Ghana → https://is.gd/qdJj8h | 10:17 |
| pepee | https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/why-don-t-some-coronavirus-patients-sense-their-alarmingly-low-oxygen-levels | 10:21 |
| _abc_ | Does anyone have a link on a site explaining why the covid sick and dead count is not smooth but follows some strange periodicity and is more like a sawtooth waveform graph? | 10:21 |
| pwr22 | Is that a duplicate message or are you asking the same question you did 30 minutes ago? | 10:22 |
| genera | i thought the count is smooth but the reporting is bad? | 10:23 |
| _abc_ | pepee: Humans have no oxygen sensors, only CO2. This causes several dozens of deaths every year, people walk into places in industry where O2 is depleted but CO2 is normal (air is 21% O2 the rest is N2), and drop dead. There is no warning. | 10:23 |
| _abc_ | genera: That is extremely unlikely. I tried to look at some correlation with perhaps weekends (fewer meetings?!) and so on, it does seem to have some sort of 7 day periodicity to it but not clear. | 10:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:23 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Russia → https://is.gd/HQAu3a | 10:24 |
| _abc_ | The sawtooth is inverse, with a few days of significantly fewer deaths and new infections than the rest. | 10:24 |
| pepee | yeah, I had read about this stuff, but the article I read didn't say much | 10:24 |
| _abc_ | And the period is somewhere from 6 to 7 days. Which strongly suggested some sort of correlation with weekend (lack of?) activities. | 10:24 |
| _abc_ | Until plotted against real weekends and it was not synchronized with those, slipping consistently. | 10:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:27 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/xJo5lC | 10:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:34 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - Washington D.C → https://is.gd/9Rg3cA | 10:38 |
| pepee | so, apparently heparin can save patiens from hypoxia... | 10:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: doctors had prepared to announce Boris Johnson's death → https://is.gd/T2Nt90 | 10:45 |
| _abc_ | pepee: no, heparin can save people from blood clots in the lungs which can cause additional hypoxia | 10:52 |
| _abc_ | pepee: also can start some deadly internal bleeding while at it. It is a thin line to walk. | 10:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:49 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Germania → https://is.gd/WyZPWQ | 10:52 |
| _abc_ | Sorry can stop such bleeding. | 10:52 |
| pepee | yeah, and that's mostly because, by the time they go/get sent to the hospital, people are in a bad condition already | 10:54 |
| pepee | or so I understand... here in my country, some (most?) people aren't being admitted immediately, because they don't have some symptoms: fever, dry cough... | 10:56 |
| pepee | s****d f***s have killed a few people already because of that | 10:57 |
| pepee | they copy their shitty protocols from the US CDC, and they are late to the game | 10:58 |
| _abc_ | pepee: which country. Yes copying things to try out is done elsewhere too. | 10:58 |
| pepee | chile | 10:58 |
| pepee | I mean, sure, copy other health orgs, but copy the good examples ffs | 10:59 |
| pepee | the US CDC clearly isn't, IMO | 10:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 08:59 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Società → https://is.gd/JagRtv | 10:59 |
| pepee | also, do your own research. how is that too difficult for our authorities? or is it that they don't want to avoid making mistakes? | 11:00 |
| pepee | what'd be worse? testing stuff or simply letting people die and, perhaps, make things even WORSE by treating them without understanding the mechanisms behind the deaths? | 11:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:09 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Sardegna → https://is.gd/Bfvpyy | 11:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:18 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Società → https://is.gd/7oIP30 | 11:21 |
| _abc_ | Reading up on breathing and so on, this is somewhat bull imo. 290 grams of Carbon per day per person in exhaled breath? All of it must come from foods. Most people do not eat charcoal all day long. What the hell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#Content | 11:22 |
| _abc_ | Perhaps these are the numbers for a person during physical exercise not at rest. | 11:27 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1.full.pdf so, remember the mutations in spike protein, it *is* a recombination from different strains :) | 11:29 |
| tinwhiskers | mefistofeles: oh. Cool. | 11:30 |
| tinwhiskers | _abc_: 290g is amazing! | 11:30 |
| _abc_ | One probably needs to eat upwards of 500 grams of solids in food for 290g of carbon, with water content that is easily above 1.5kgs of food per day. A miner's or combat soldier's diet! | 11:32 |
| mefistofeles | tinwhiskers: I'm playing with the idea of doing some MD simulations with the mutated protein... there's probably people already doing that, but still | 11:32 |
| _abc_ | I doubt that number strongly. It probably does not apply to a person at rest / sedentary couch potato / sick. | 11:33 |
| _abc_ | mefistofeles: the spike protein is a recombination from several other spike proteins? | 11:33 |
| _abc_ | All from known corona viruses? | 11:33 |
| mefistofeles | _abc_: no | 11:34 |
| _abc_ | no? | 11:35 |
| mefistofeles | _abc_: there's frequent a mutation in the spike protein that's present in the virus, we were wondering about it the other day and tinwhiskers suggested that it was due to some crosover/recombination effects of different strains, apparently that's the case | 11:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:22 UTC: Coronavirus Australia latest: at a glance: A summary of the major developments in the coronavirus outbreak across Australia → https://is.gd/V1tGm8 | 11:35 |
| mefistofeles | so they also suggest that it makes this strain more infectant | 11:35 |
| tinwhiskers | I was referring to the occurrences of that same change that occurred in another branch of the phylogenetic tree and wondering if it emerged a second time or was due to horizontal transfer | 11:37 |
| mefistofeles | _abc_: to be clear, different strains of the same sars-cov-2 | 11:40 |
| _abc_ | https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/new-york-clinical-trial-quietly-tests-heartburn-remedy-against-coronavirus interesting. At least some people are not afraid to try new things. | 11:40 |
| _abc_ | That was one week ago. | 11:41 |
| _abc_ | Should have heard about it if it works by now, no? | 11:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA → https://is.gd/LyLNRN | 11:42 |
| _abc_ | DOMANE in my link is interesting. | 11:43 |
| _abc_ | Do proteins unfold at binding time in general or not? Or does it depend on the protein / binding site kind? | 11:44 |
| mefistofeles | https://ncase.me/covid-19/ this is nice, recommended | 11:47 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: https://ncase.me/covid-19/ may want to check and maybe add to resources? | 11:47 |
| mefistofeles | _abc_: it depends, most of them do not completely unfold | 11:48 |
| _abc_ | mefistofeles: is that a control mechanism too? Environment additional chemicals influence the folding/unfolding and thus the binding ability, modulating it? | 11:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 09:49 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Umbria → https://is.gd/lItj1p | 11:49 |
| mefistofeles | it depends on the conditions, some are under shear rate conditions and actually shear-enhanced, so you may thing they can stretch a bit due do these conditions. ut even then, it's not always the case, at all. | 11:49 |
| mefistofeles | s/thing/think | 11:50 |
| _abc_ | Interesting. | 11:50 |
| _abc_ | But the potential to control binding by (un)folding using environmental factors is there, right? | 11:50 |
| mefistofeles | yeah, sure, you can use some proteases or restriction enzymes or similar to try to force something like that. Or maybe something more simple like a small ligand that can trigger some kind of allosteric cascade that makes it unfold. But that latter case is not likely, imho. | 11:52 |
| _abc_ | Is this an avenue beiing checked out for covid? Modulate binding ability by using something which influences the spike protein's binding ability? | 11:53 |
| mefistofeles | _abc_: yes, the S protein is one of the main vaccine targets and it's studied by many vaccine candidate studies | 11:59 |
| _abc_ | Vaccine or chemical / drug target? I was talking about drug target, specifically (un)folding related. | 12:02 |
| _abc_ | I am just curious, my biomedical knowledge is very limited. | 12:02 |
| mefistofeles | _abc_: yes, for both treatment/drug and vaccine the S protein is pretty muchused | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:58 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: doctors had prepared to announce Boris Johnson's death → https://is.gd/T2Nt90 | 12:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 10:06 UTC: Ora basta 🖕🏻: Gli italiani sono pieni di problemi arroganti, presuntuosi e provo ribrezzo. Mediterranei, terroni, truffe, mafie, politici corrotti e pedofili, razzisti verso tutti. Insomma, insieme ai tedeschi, inglesi, cinesi, arabi e americani siete immondizia. Procuratori di guai e guerre, cattivi e pronti [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/6Cargn | 12:11 |
| _abc_ | Hmm how's Cuba doing with covid? | 12:12 |
| _abc_ | Pretty well so far. Interesting. | 12:13 |
| rmonten[m] | <LjL "anyone know and can explain in h"> Late response but I haven't really seen this answered. | 12:13 |
| BobCat | Cuba put AIDS victims in concentration camps, I mean, pleasant accomodations, in the 80s | 12:17 |
| rmonten[m] | These differences and concerns are obviously orders of magnitude less than w.r.t. centralized applications | 12:18 |
| BobCat | they actually treated them very well, good food and entertainment, field trips into town | 12:18 |
| Zalyssa | can we stop this stupid quoting format? | 12:18 |
| BobCat | So well in fact, that punks startedinjecting themselves with infected blood to escape the crippling normal society | 12:19 |
| BobCat | And no, I cannot name a single Cuban punk band | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2691 cases (now 3.5 million), +121 deaths (now 245078) since 2 hours ago — Romania: +431 cases (now 13163) since 2 hours ago — Belgium: +389 cases (now 49906), +79 deaths (now 7844) since a day ago | 12:22 |
| jacklsw | %data malaysia | 12:25 |
| Brainstorm | jacklsw: In all areas, Malaysia, there are 6298 total cases (0.0% of the population) and 105 deaths (1.7% of cases) as of 6 minutes ago. 184213 tests were performed (3.4% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 2.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data. | 12:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:19 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Scienza → https://is.gd/BNwdZH | 12:25 |
| merethan | News from New York, The Bronx, interview with emergency room physician @Barnabas Hospital, Daniel Murphy: https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/ | 12:28 |
| truthr | are neutrons included in molecular weight? | 12:29 |
| BobCat | yes | 12:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn RKI, still the csv is broken | 12:31 |
| BobCat | cabon-12 6 prtons 6 neutrons | 12:31 |
| BobCat | typo-12... | 12:31 |
| rmonten[m] | Question, friend of mine brought up that vaccines don't need to undergo randomized, double-blind, and placebo-controlled testing. I checked with the 8 candidates in clinical evaluation on https://www.who.int/who-documents-detail/draft-landscape-of-covid-19-candidate-vaccines and indeed only 3 of them seem to satisfy all criteria (CanSino, Sinovac, Wuhan Institute of Biological Products). Any good reason behind this? | 12:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:38 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Economia → https://is.gd/8f8VBL | 12:39 |
| _abc_ | rmonten[m]: lucky guess: designed from start with that in view, due to difficulties in sales later otherwise? | 12:49 |
| mefistofeles | rmonten[m]: there are different phases, so I think in some of these phases a RCT is not neccesary. I think it is in PhaseIII, but only a few of them (I know CanSino for sure) are in that stage | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:44 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: doctors had prepared to announce Boris Johnson's death → https://is.gd/T2Nt90 | 12:54 |
| sookie | is anyone else experiencing vivid and strange dreams during lockdown? | 12:55 |
| mefistofeles | sookie: yes, they are quite common, apparently | 12:56 |
| mefistofeles | people are just sleeping and staying in bed more, I'd think | 12:56 |
| sookie | i'm not sleeping more | 12:56 |
| sookie | but i am having weird dreams | 12:56 |
| mefistofeles | that's annecdotical | 12:56 |
| oxalis | stress | 12:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 10:59 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Hong Kong → https://is.gd/M6IfuT | 13:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2293 cases (now 3.5 million), +59 deaths (now 245137) since 48 minutes ago — Iran: +976 cases (now 97424) since a day ago — Belarus: +877 cases (now 16705) since a day ago | 13:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:06 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Regno Unito - Società → https://is.gd/obSB6w | 13:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:11 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/E980VG | 13:15 |
| rmonten[m] | _abc_: I'm not sure I understand what you said | 13:19 |
| rmonten[m] | mefistofeles: Thanks, yeah that's possible. It's confusing though because some double-blind etcs are in phase 1, while the Oxford and Pfizer one are in phase 1/2 (whatever that means) and are not double blind. I just thought that was the go-to standard for drugs & vaccines. | 13:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 11:20 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Il livethread fa pausa per pranzo → https://is.gd/uDKHP2 | 13:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:26 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Roche expects to make more than 100 million antibody tests monthly by end of 2020: Swiss drugmaker Roche said on Sunday it expects to be able to produce "significantly more" than 100 million of its new antibody tests monthly by the end of 2020, doubling its current production. → https://is.gd/JzFyar | 13:29 |
| iz | dang, the increase in daily cases in russia.. | 13:34 |
| sookie | that's just testing expansion | 13:37 |
| sookie | they have way more infections than confirmed cases | 13:37 |
| sookie | plus their numbers are fake, there's no way they're only at 1280 dead | 13:38 |
| mefistofeles | sookie: not really, Russia has been testing pretty extensively | 13:38 |
| sookie | mefistofeles: not really, they haven't. | 13:38 |
| mefistofeles | :/ | 13:39 |
| mefistofeles | they have over 20k per million hab. tests | 13:39 |
| mefistofeles | that's more than most | 13:39 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 3 doctors in Russia fall out of windows in 2 weeks. 2 dead. They warned about lack of means of protection in russian hospitals (10243 votes) | https://redd.it/gckx7w | 13:52 |
| iz | i hope they weren't talking about screens in the windows | 13:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:02 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Germania - Intrattenimento → https://is.gd/3r6sTz | 14:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:05 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia - Fase 2 → https://is.gd/A3Z7je | 14:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2658 cases (now 3.5 million), +122 deaths (now 245259) since an hour ago — Qatar: +679 cases (now 15551) since a day ago — United Arab Emirates: +564 cases (now 14163) since 18 hours ago | 14:22 |
| mefistofeles | woah, Qatar spiking? | 14:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:22 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - Economia → https://is.gd/beI9AT | 14:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:37 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: doctors had prepared to announce Boris Johnson's death → https://is.gd/T2Nt90 | 14:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:46 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Unione Europea → https://is.gd/8tetHk | 14:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 12:52 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/J9DNbc | 14:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 12:59 UTC: nCoV: Italian scientist says she discovered main mechanism behind COVID-19 | 03MAY20 → https://is.gd/iGEBw7 | 15:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2049 cases (now 3.5 million) since 50 minutes ago — Saudi Arabia: +1552 cases (now 27011) since a day ago — India: +283 cases (now 40263) since 6 hours ago | 15:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 13:06 UTC: nCoV: Covid 19 coronavirus: Chinese health experts that knew about coronavirus | 03MAY20 → https://is.gd/96yZZT | 15:09 |
| mefistofeles | woah, that post from the italian researcher is pretty interesting | 15:14 |
| mefistofeles | "In men the normal value of haemoglobin (Hb) is higher than in women, this would explain the higher incidence of COVID-19 pneumonia in men compared to women" | 15:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | h ttp://maemo.cloud-7.de/et_al/covid/covid19_statistics.htm german RKI-based my-stats updated and fixed | 15:24 |
| mefistofeles | https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12329157 also interesting one | 15:28 |
| mefistofeles | didn't know there was some kind of study trying to match the sars-cov-2 sequence with the ones in the Wuhan lab | 15:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 13:26 UTC: Covid2019: The World Map Timelapse of the Coronavirus since January Spread Of China Virus (Test Critical rate) → https://is.gd/TehW0H | 15:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 13:42 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Italia → https://is.gd/l4BcKm | 15:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Vietnam reports first case in nine days, Roche to double antibody test production → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 15:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:54 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Russia and Afghanistan announce their biggest rises in cases → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 15:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:03 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Storia - Economia → https://is.gd/Fb7cN0 | 16:06 |
| iz | spain seems to be doing pretty well now | 16:09 |
| mefistofeles | iz: they really have noisy data, but I guess it would be sorted out in the following days. But yeah, it seems to be doing a bit better than Italy | 16:10 |
| mefistofeles | I have wondered for weeks now what makes Spain and France data so noisy, haven't found the answer | 16:11 |
| iz | yeah, i was kinda wondering if it was a lack of testing or what exactly.. but yeah.. looks okay | 16:11 |
| mefistofeles | not that I'd dug deep enough for it, tbh | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:09 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: rail unions warn against lifting lockdown to run more trains → https://is.gd/T2Nt90 | 16:20 |
| iz | uk hasn't been looking that good lately tho | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2514 cases (now 3.5 million), +117 deaths (now 245397) since an hour ago — US: +2263 cases (now 1.2 million), +87 deaths (now 67535) since an hour ago — Maryland, US: +989 cases (now 25462) since a day ago | 16:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 14:09 UTC: Coronavirus: Coronavirus most likely to be passed on in early stages of illness or before symptoms appear, Taiwan study says → https://is.gd/0mCdyF | 16:27 |
| Albright | So has anyone done a Coronavirus-inspired parody of "Don't Stand So Close To Me" yet? | 16:28 |
| mefistofeles | hah | 16:29 |
| mefistofeles | maybe the same guy from "My corona" | 16:30 |
| mefistofeles | apparently not him | 16:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:32 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Thailandia → https://is.gd/JHAIRr | 16:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:41 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Mondo → https://is.gd/hX36Uw | 16:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4192 cases (now 3.5 million), +181 deaths (now 245578) since 34 minutes ago — US: +2496 cases (now 1.2 million) since 34 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +1861 cases (now 125578) since 21 hours ago | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 14:53 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: USA - Cina → https://is.gd/aetfRY | 16:56 |
| ubLXI | Derek Lowe's May 1st post is an illuminating peak into some of the nuts and bolts of trial running: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/01/why-are-clinical-trials-so-complicated | 16:56 |
| ubLXI | *peek | 16:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:00 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Embedly non funziona per qualche motivo con Bloomberg, ecco un link diretto: → https://is.gd/kt2NMT | 17:03 |
| LjL-Matrix | Social distancing in Milan | 17:06 |
| mefistofeles | LjL-Matrix: hah, nice | 17:07 |
| mefistofeles | call the police on them :P | 17:07 |
| LjL | mefistofeles: I can't even rant about it on Twitter because technically I'd be committing a crime by publishing unblurred photos of minors | 17:08 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: better than in Stuttgart https://www.dw.com/image/53242706_403.jpg xD | 17:08 |
| LjL | Except you can't even see their faces but what do the police care | 17:08 |
| LjL | mefistofeles: anti-lockdown protest? Despite not really having a lockdown? | 17:09 |
| mefistofeles | LjL: yep | 17:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:07 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Kudlow says more small business aid may be needed, Roche making more antibody tests → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 17:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:15 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Relazioni mondo - Cina → https://is.gd/jbXyEM | 17:17 |
| Tramtrist | glad i quit twitter before this all happened.. cant imagine what kind of nonesense is on there now.. not that i every posted anything anyway | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Kudlow says more small business aid may be needed, Roche making more antibody tests → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:28 UTC: /u/slakmehl: BBC News (World) su Twitter: "Russia's total number of coronavirus cases rises to 134,686 https://t.co/7wBmcEUg15… " → https://is.gd/AQZp5t | 17:31 |
| rahiakherajot[m] | !cases India | 17:39 |
| CovBot | In India there have been a total of 40,263 cases as of 2020-05-03 15:17:00 UTC. Of these 28,054 (69.7%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 10,886 (27.0%) have definitely recovered and 1,323 (3.3%) have died. | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Kudlow says more small business aid may be needed, Roche making more antibody tests → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 17:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:51 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: Aggiornamento numero di contagi in Italia 3 Maggio → https://is.gd/d3u6xk | 17:53 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 17:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there are 209328 total cases (0.3% of the population) and 28710 deaths (13.7% of cases) as of 5 minutes ago. 2.1 million tests were performed (9.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 17:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2028 cases (now 3.5 million), +111 deaths (now 245689) since an hour ago — Pakistan: +981 cases (now 20084) since 14 hours ago — Canada: +434 cases (now 57148) since 16 hours ago | 17:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 15:58 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: AGGIORNAMENTO 03/05/2020 ORE 17.00 POSITIVI AL nCov Regione " i Totale Ricoverati | Terapia _| Isolamento [con sintomi| intensiva attualmente positivi Lombardia 6.609 532 29.785 36.926 Piemonte 2.496 169 12.973 15.638 Emilia Romagna] 1.997 197 6.851 9.045 Veneto 955 103 6.241 7.299 Toscana 513 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/bnfXZN | 18:00 |
| LjL-Matrix | Some things about Matrix seem all well and good bringing modernization, compared to IRC, but... how the hell do I highlight a nick starting with a character I can't type unless I'm using an Indic keyboard? | 18:12 |
| rahiakherajot[m] | > In reply to \n3p\: India could be disaster. High density urban areas. Poverty and not many hospitals | 18:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Italy Live* at 16:08 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: ULTIMO AGGIORNAMENTO → https://is.gd/D7HVy2 | 18:15 |
| LjL | %tr | 18:15 |
| LjL | Eccoci qua, alla fine della fase 1, e quindi, per quanto mi è stato comunicato, alla fine di questo live-thread. Penso che sia opportuno finirlo ora, con l'ultimo bollettino della fase 1. | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, English to English: New from r/Italy Live* at 16:08 UTC: /u/pixelcraftables: ULTIMO AGGIORNAMENTO → https://is.gd/D7HVy2 (Google) | 18:15 |
| LjL | %tr Spero che vi sia stato utile, l'ho curato con molta attenzione e molta passione. Ho imparato molto, e spero anche voi. Vorrei ringraziare in particolare moderatore u/the_Fadge che mi ha aiutato molto dietro le quinte. Grazie mille amico. | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: I hope it has been useful, I have treated it with great attention and passion. I have learned a lot, and I hope you too. I would especially like to thank moderator u / the_Fadge who helped me a lot behind the scenes. Thank you so much my friend. (MyMemory, Google) [... want %more?] | 18:15 |
| LjL | %tr Domani per la prima volta in settimane, io, come molti Italiani, uscirò con più libertà in un mondo del tutto cambiato. Alcune persone tornano al lavoro, altri andranno al parco, e tutti noi possiamo finalmente salutare i nostri famosi 'congiunti' che non vediamo da mesi. | 18:15 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: Tomorrow for the first time in weeks, I, like many Italians, will go out with more freedom in a completely changed world. Some people go back to work, others will go to the park, and we can all finally say goodbye to our famous 'relatives' whom we haven't seen for months. (MyMemory, Google) [... want %more?] | 18:15 |
| LjL | %tr Benvenuti al nuovo normale della fase 2. Siate prudenti e agite con cautela la fuori, ma godetevi questo momento, ve lo siete meritati dall'impegno e l'isolamento difficile del lockdown. | 18:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Italian to English: Welcome to the new normal of phase 2. Be cautious and act carefully out there, but enjoy this moment, you deserve it from the commitment and the difficult isolation of the lockdown. (MyMemory, Google) [... want %more?] | 18:16 |
| LjL | this is a shitty message to send IMO | 18:16 |
| LjL | "it's over, go to parks and multiply" | 18:16 |
| LjL | with some notes of caution, but come on | 18:16 |
| underscore | hello | 18:18 |
| mefistofeles | hey | 18:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Southwest CEO says planes 'virtually empty', Roche doubles antibody tests production → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5907 cases (now 3.5 million), +683 deaths (now 246372) since 37 minutes ago — US: +2297 cases (now 1.2 million), +311 deaths (now 67906) since 37 minutes ago — Ecuador: +2074 cases (now 29538), +193 deaths (now 1564) since 23 hours ago | 18:25 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: David Icke, man behind coronavirus 5g conspiracy, has Youtube channel shuttered for sharing misinformation (10665 votes) | https://redd.it/gcpsvd | 18:29 |
| dzho | https://twitter.com/nuttyxander/status/1256924234170974209 | 18:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2316 cases (now 3.5 million), +109 deaths (now 246481) since 16 minutes ago — Turkey: +1670 cases (now 126045), +61 deaths (now 3397) since 23 hours ago — US: +623 cases (now 1.2 million) since 16 minutes ago | 18:35 |
| mefistofeles | dzho: sumes it up pretty well, I think | 18:36 |
| mefistofeles | sums* | 18:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:28 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Gove gives daily briefing as death toll reaches 28,446, up 315 → https://is.gd/T2Nt90 | 18:37 |
| dzho | maybe better to put the link to the wrapper page for that rather than a twitter plug for it | 18:38 |
| dzho | https://www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures-and-events/covid-19 | 18:38 |
| dzho | mefistofeles: I'm still watching but I just grabbed the PDF now so I can skim through it | 18:39 |
| mefistofeles | dzho: ok, summary, comments or others appreciated | 18:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2909 cases (now 3.5 million), +82 deaths (now 246563) since 21 minutes ago — India: +2227 cases (now 42490), +68 deaths (now 1391) since 3 hours ago — US: +682 cases (now 1.2 million) since 21 minutes ago | 18:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:43 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Russia and Afghanistan announce their biggest rises in cases → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Southwest CEO says planes 'virtually empty', Roche doubles antibody tests production → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 18:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4933 cases (now 3.5 million), +351 deaths (now 246914) since 18 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +4339 cases (now 186599), +315 deaths (now 28446) since a day ago — US: +517 cases (now 1.2 million) since 18 minutes ago | 19:05 |
| pepee | anyone knows how pulse oximeters work? | 19:11 |
| mefistofeles | pepee: https://www.howequipmentworks.com/pulse_oximeter/ first web search hit, btw | 19:12 |
| bin_bash | pepee: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+pulse+oximeters+work | 19:12 |
| mefistofeles | bin_bash: haha | 19:12 |
| bin_bash | dont spoon feed people things thye can easily search | 19:12 |
| bin_bash | i dont** | 19:12 |
| genera | they work good. | 19:12 |
| mefistofeles | bin_bash: don't tell me what to do | 19:12 |
| mefistofeles | xD | 19:12 |
| genera | i think wikipedia had a nice page when i searched | 19:13 |
| pepee | it doesn't go beyoend "It does this by measuring changes of light absorption in oxygenated or deoxygenated blood." | 19:13 |
| genera | oh | 19:13 |
| bin_bash | pepee: ok but thats how it works | 19:13 |
| LjL | pepee, tl;dr: if you shine a light through your finger, and then look at what comes out from the other end, you'll see the light changes with your heartbeat, because bloodflow makes it change. that lets you measure the heartbeat. if you add another light of a different frequency (color, generally infrared), the *difference* between the changes in those two lights tell you how much oxygen your blood is transporting, because that affects the color of your | 19:13 |
| LjL | blood. | 19:13 |
| genera | but does it pulse? | 19:14 |
| LjL | what | 19:14 |
| genera | "pulse oximeter" | 19:14 |
| LjL | pulse means heartbeat | 19:14 |
| genera | oh wait. it does not pulse. | 19:14 |
| LjL | %w pulse | 19:14 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, pulse — noun: 1. (physiology) A normally regular beat felt when arteries are depressed, caused by the pumping action of the heart, 2. A beat or throb, 3. (music) The beat or tactus of a piece of music, 4. An autosoliton — verb: 1. To beat, to throb, to flash, 2. To flow, particularly of blood, 3. To emit in discrete quantities → https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pulse | 19:14 |
| genera | the pulse has to pulse itself | 19:15 |
| pepee | nvm, I copied some URL and mistakingly copied that URL again instead of the howequipmentworks.com one | 19:15 |
| mefistofeles | that howequimentworks has a bit of confusing coloring for light wavelengths, but overall seems ok | 19:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2394 cases (now 3.5 million), +99 deaths (now 247013) since 16 minutes ago — Chile: +1228 cases (now 19663) since a day ago — US: +1166 cases (now 1.2 million), +86 deaths (now 68088) since 16 minutes ago | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:15 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: Cuomo says ‘government essential to human life’ → https://is.gd/89ppAV | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test)* at 17:37 UTC: nCoV: Dogs Are Being Trained to Sniff Out COVID-19 → https://is.gd/mw2ExV | 19:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:47 UTC: (news): Warren Buffett gave airlines another go. Coronavirus was a problem he couldn't stomach → https://is.gd/lRKyV8 | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +6063 cases (now 3.5 million), +107 deaths (now 247120) since 38 minutes ago — US: +2852 cases (now 1.2 million) since 38 minutes ago — New York, US: +2852 cases (now 322854) since an hour ago | 19:50 |
| adiman[m] | LjL (@LjL:matrix.org): | 20:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:21 UTC: Cuomo calls PPE shortages a national security issue: 'You can't be dependent on China': New York will require all hospitals to build a 90-day supply of personal protective equipment in the face of another outbreak after states dealt with widespread equipment shortages battling the coronavirus, New York Governor Andrew [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NrALvM | 20:25 |
| LjL | adiman[m], hmm? | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4265 cases (now 3.5 million), +84 deaths (now 247204) since 58 minutes ago — US: +2978 cases (now 1.2 million), +60 deaths (now 68148) since 58 minutes ago — New York, US: +1029 cases (now 323883) since 58 minutes ago | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Russia and Afghanistan announce their biggest rises in cases → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 20:39 |
| Arsanerit | they started testing? | 20:43 |
| Arsanerit | I'm impressed Afghanistan has test kits | 20:43 |
| mefistofeles | Arsanerit: who's they? Russia have been testing for weeks, it was top 2 at a time, after CHina | 20:58 |
| Arsanerit | mefistofeles: Afghanistan. | 20:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Southwest CEO says planes 'virtually empty', Roche doubles antibody tests production → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 21:00 |
| mefistofeles | Arsanerit: apparently, yes | 21:00 |
| Butterfly^ | https://i.imgur.com/6pE6aFM.png | 21:04 |
| Butterfly^ | https://i.imgur.com/cBqVOD3.png | 21:04 |
| mefistofeles | Butterfly^: anything you want to say about that? | 21:05 |
| mefistofeles | imho, USA had more clsuters in more dense areas, so that's why it's tough there as well | 21:06 |
| mefistofeles | but they should be testing more, tbh | 21:06 |
| Butterfly^ | When the coronavirus hit Italy, they locked down hard. Six weeks since peak, they've only just started a very slow relaxing of restrictions, but everyone still has to wear masks when shopping and in public transportation. The US had a bit softer lock down, and isn't past peak, but many states are starting to lift restrictions. This could get real ugly. Just in case anyone suggests the confirmed cases is | 21:07 |
| Butterfly^ | due to more testing in the US. | 21:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2257 cases (now 3.5 million), +235 deaths (now 247439) since 33 minutes ago — US: +1698 cases (now 1.2 million), +71 deaths (now 68219) since 33 minutes ago — Pennsylvania, US: +738 cases (now 51980) since 33 minutes ago | 21:07 |
| mefistofeles | Butterfly^: ah yeah, but still, that doesn't tell how the tests are geographically distributed | 21:08 |
| mefistofeles | but yeah, I agree | 21:08 |
| mefistofeles | a second wave is likely anyways, as soon as lockdowns or distancing measures are relaxed | 21:09 |
| Butterfly^ | those weren't my words actually | 21:09 |
| Butterfly^ | but i do agree with it :) | 21:09 |
| Butterfly^ | tests don't mean that much, deathrates speak for themselves | 21:09 |
| mefistofeles | Butterfly^: well, yes, but testing can help see the peak closer to when it actually happens, for deaths is more noisy | 21:10 |
| mefistofeles | so it'easier to see the effects (or lack thereof) of the distancing measures, if better testing is inplace | 21:11 |
| Butterfly^ | tests only matter if you take the right precautions based on it, as in, tracking contacts and such | 21:11 |
| mefistofeles | Butterfly^: no, even just isolating the positive/confirmed cases has a good impact | 21:12 |
| mefistofeles | of course, better yet with contact tracing | 21:12 |
| mefistofeles | Butterfly^: https://ncase.me/covid-19/ check that one, it does a great job explaining these things (but I don'tagree with all of it, btw) | 21:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:02 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: Cuomo says ‘government essential to human life’ → https://is.gd/89ppAV | 21:14 |
| Butterfly^ | mefistofeles : thing is, how many of them are forcefully isolated? most get a 'stay at home' order, while in america, which has been brainwashed by the slogan 'land of the free', this order isn't really that effective as in quite some other countries | 21:18 |
| mefistofeles | Butterfly^: it varies a lot, I bet in NYC they were more on a full lockdown than in Germany, for example | 21:19 |
| mefistofeles | but yes, probably in other cities in the US not so much, and so it goes | 21:19 |
| Butterfly^ | idk, Germany is quite strict when following orders in pandemic | 21:20 |
| mefistofeles | and that's the good thing, there are many things that add up to reducing the R, distancing is one of them, but you don't need 100% distancing (full lockdown) if you do other things (such as isolating cases or tracing contacts or increasing hygiene, etc) | 21:22 |
| mefistofeles | that probably explains why Germany was already reducing the R coefficient before any lockdown measures | 21:23 |
| Butterfly^ | also keep in mind, Germany has more than 3x more hospital beds than US has | 21:23 |
| Butterfly^ | which also means more nurses and more doctors / capita | 21:24 |
| Butterfly^ | which likely benefits their survival rate | 21:24 |
| mefistofeles | Butterfly^: for survival, sure, but not for mitigation/supression | 21:24 |
| Butterfly^ | america is very wild on being 'land of the free' | 21:27 |
| Butterfly^ | that alone will have a negative effect on how effective the lockdown measures will be | 21:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Southwest CEO says planes 'virtually empty,' virus deaths slow in Italy → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 21:28 |
| Butterfly^ | you got "Karen's" in every part of the world, but the vast majority are in america | 21:28 |
| Butterfly^ | anti-vax is also a thing that's bigger in america | 21:28 |
| mefistofeles | Butterfly^: yeah, we'll have to wait and see, maybe they are doing the other things well enough and easing the full lockdown/distancing measures won't be much of an issue... hopefully | 21:33 |
| Butterfly^ | lol @ easing the lockdown, right in the middle of ramadan | 21:35 |
| Butterfly^ | 23 april till 23 may | 21:35 |
| Butterfly^ | this alone will cause a new increase | 21:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:39 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus US live: Cuomo says ‘government essential to human life’ → https://is.gd/89ppAV | 21:42 |
| Butterfly^ | fuck the gov | 21:51 |
| Butterfly^ | especially the UK tory gov | 21:51 |
| Butterfly^ | they're literally responsible for killing 1000's of people | 21:51 |
| blkshp | o.O | 21:51 |
| mefistofeles | Butterfly^: calm down | 21:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +7137 cases (now 3.6 million), +114 deaths (now 247553) since 48 minutes ago — US: +3737 cases (now 1.2 million) since 48 minutes ago — Peru: +3394 cases (now 45928), +86 deaths (now 1286) since a day ago | 21:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 19:43 UTC: Coronavirus: New Yorkers fined for social distancing violations → https://is.gd/2Tg254 | 21:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Bolsonaro stokes Brazil protests in defiance of health advice → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 22:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Southwest CEO says planes 'virtually empty,' virus deaths slow in Italy → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 22:10 |
| Butterfly^ | mefistofeles : https://imgur.com/gallery/7jxfwm5 Trump tweeted liberate three times. The response | 22:16 |
| Butterfly^ | why US is in for a bad time | 22:16 |
| Butterfly^ | mefistofeles : the tweets: https://i.imgur.com/nwEzSx0.jpg | 22:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:07 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Bolsonaro stokes Brazil protests in defiance of health advice → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 22:17 |
| mefistofeles | lol | 22:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2025 cases (now 3.6 million), +165 deaths (now 247718) since 39 minutes ago — US: +1875 cases (now 1.2 million), +160 deaths (now 68407) since 39 minutes ago — Massachusetts, US: +1824 cases (now 68087), +158 deaths (now 4004) since 23 hours ago | 22:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:19 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Virus deaths slow in Italy, NRA lays off employees: Covid-19 has infected more than 3.4 million people around the world as of Sunday, killing at least 244,229 people. → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 22:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:29 UTC: Cuomo calls PPE shortages a national security issue: 'You can't be dependent on China': New York will require all hospitals to build a 90-day supply of personal protective equipment in the face of another outbreak after states dealt with widespread equipment shortages battling the coronavirus, New York Governor Andrew [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/NrALvM | 22:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:30 UTC: (news): Warren Buffett gave airlines another go. Coronavirus was a problem he couldn't stomach → https://is.gd/lRKyV8 | 22:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:33 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Bolsonaro stokes Brazil protests in defiance of health advice → https://is.gd/r8MNh1 | 22:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 20:43 UTC: worldnews: Coronavirus takes tragic toll on UK care homes: Charged with shielding society’s most vulnerable, British care homes are vital to the nation’s coronavirus battle. But understaffed and poorly equipped, this often forgotten frontline is approaching breaking point → https://is.gd/bzK7u9 | 22:59 |
| pwr22 | All the Alex Jones coronavirus conspiracy stuff has inspired me to install and start playing the original Deus Ex again | 23:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:57 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Virus deaths slow in Italy, NRA lays off employees: Covid-19 has infected more than 3.4 million people around the world as of Sunday, killing at least 244,229 people. → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 23:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3502 cases (now 3.6 million), +339 deaths (now 248057) since 51 minutes ago — Brazil: +3218 cases (now 101147), +248 deaths (now 7025) since 2 hours ago — US: +221 cases (now 1.2 million), +82 deaths (now 68489) since 51 minutes ago | 23:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 21:16 UTC: Coronavirus: Testing falls short of 100,000 daily target: The number of daily tests drops by a third, days after the government met its 'audacious' target. → https://is.gd/DQsIna | 23:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:29 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Virus deaths slow in Italy, NRA lays off employees: Covid-19 has infected more than 3.4 million people around the world as of Sunday, killing at least 244,229 people. → https://is.gd/8kXWOR | 23:34 |
| dakbear | hi | 23:36 |
| mefistofeles | bye :P | 23:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:34 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: Sydney school closed after student tests positive as death toll hits 95 – latest updates → https://is.gd/ARBsgg | 23:48 |
| nixonix | did they open all public shools in aus on last wednesday? and hows the private school situation, some opened, some still closed and arguing continues? | 23:55 |
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