| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:59 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Germany eases lockdown, with 'emergency brake' on hand if needed - Reuters → https://is.gd/xXDMDD | 00:06 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +131 deaths (now 264116), +1694 cases (now 3.8 million) since 29 minutes ago — US: +7 deaths (now 74121), +285 cases (now 1.3 million) since 29 minutes ago — Hawaii, US: +1 cases (now 626) since a day ago | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:17 UTC: Trump contradicts nurse in testy Oval Office exchange over coronavirus protective gear: President Donald Trump contradicted a nurse who said that access to sufficient supplies of personal protective equipment during the coronavirus pandemic "has been sporadic." → https://is.gd/6U2DPI | 00:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4 cases (now 3.8 million), +1 deaths (now 264117) since 23 minutes ago — Djibouti: +4 cases (now 1124), +1 deaths (now 3) since a day ago | 00:24 |
| LjL | Biep[m], is this roughly what you wanted :P | 00:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:21 UTC: California's recovery from the coronavirus will take 'longer than people think,' Gov. Gavin Newsom says: "It's going to take a lot longer than people are saying. This is serious, we've never experienced anything like this in our lifetime," Newsom said regarding California's recovery from Covid-19. → https://is.gd/6IlLBK | 00:27 |
| MjrTom | rajrajraj: are you still here? | 00:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:24 UTC: Coronavirus US live: press secretary defends Trump over blocking Fauci's testimony: Pelosi attacks Trump’s focus on reopening President reportedly questions accuracy of death toll Trump reverses course and says coronavirus taskforce will stay US begins to reopen but businesses and customers in no rush to get back [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xkboWX | 00:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +30 cases (now 3.8 million) since 28 minutes ago — US: +30 cases (now 1.3 million) since 38 minutes ago — Pennsylvania, US: +30 cases (now 54897) since 3 hours ago | 00:39 |
| LjL | well now i have no idea what the bot is doing | 00:49 |
| ryouma | if congress asks fauci to testify /i think/ it would be unconstitutional to block that | 00:53 |
| ryouma | it is part of legislative branch powers | 00:53 |
| ryouma | power to investigate | 00:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +41 cases (now 3.8 million) since 33 minutes ago — Czechia: +41 cases (now 7974) since 6 hours ago | 00:54 |
| MjrTom | shiv: curcumin is a COX-2 Inhibitor. Probably not a good idea (might be a bad idea - do your own research) | 00:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:55 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/FTx9uK | 01:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +487 cases (now 3.8 million), +21 deaths (now 264138) since 30 minutes ago — US: +487 cases (now 1.3 million), +21 deaths (now 74142) since 48 minutes ago — Nebraska, US: +333 cases (now 6771), +4 deaths (now 86) since 23 hours ago | 01:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:11 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump suggests more deaths necessary price to reopen economy: US president says ‘we have to be warriors’; while pandemic threatens future of eurozone; and Spain extends state of emergency again → https://is.gd/4VMYXH | 01:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1241 cases (now 3.8 million), +67 deaths (now 264205) since 22 minutes ago — US: +895 cases (now 1.3 million), +48 deaths (now 74190) since 22 minutes ago — Texas, US: +342 cases (now 35275), +23 deaths (now 1003) since an hour ago | 01:24 |
| pyna | ryouma, that might be that case. better to argue that fauci is in fact, not being blocked | 01:25 |
| ytlyv9 | frace case before china now found | 01:28 |
| ytlyv9 | france | 01:28 |
| LjL | you're like three days late | 01:29 |
| ryouma | pyna: idk whether that is the case or not | 01:29 |
| twebit | hello! | 01:33 |
| pyna | me neither, ryouma. i think its worth noting as one of the first very explicit uses of the immunity from law that trump has | 01:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:30 UTC: Coronavirus US live: press secretary defends Trump over blocking Fauci's testimony: Pelosi attacks Trump’s focus on reopening President reportedly questions accuracy of death toll Trump reverses course and says coronavirus taskforce will stay US begins to reopen but businesses and customers in no rush to get back [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xkboWX | 01:37 |
| pyna | just a little unremarkable milestone that's might be pointed to by future scholars as "when it happened" | 01:39 |
| ytlyv9 | there is no cure | 01:43 |
| ytlyv9 | its like the flu | 01:44 |
| TIR559483 | Is this an inappropriate question for this channel?: What is happening financially to people who are stuck in expensive hotels in foreign countries, unable to get home, and running out of money? | 01:46 |
| ytlyv9 | jail prison | 01:47 |
| LjL | i wouldn't say it's inappropriate, but the answer to "what is happening to them financially" does seem to be "running out of money" :P | 01:47 |
| LjL | ytlyv9, stop spouting nonsense | 01:47 |
| LjL | for real | 01:47 |
| ryouma | they appeal to embassy or host country or find better accommodations or get wire transfer? | 01:47 |
| ytlyv9 | over seas no cash you dont travel much do you | 01:48 |
| ryouma | or their business contacts put them up | 01:48 |
| LjL | "Furthermore, MERS-CoV seropositive dromedary camels can still be re-infected in the presence of high antibody titers (15)" | 01:48 |
| ryouma | ytlyv9: are you contributing to the channel? | 01:48 |
| LjL | this isn't great vibes for the "we don't know if antibodies confer immunity but really they most probably do" | 01:48 |
| ytlyv9 | expensive hotels | 01:48 |
| LjL | idea thing sort of theory | 01:48 |
| ryouma | what if they don't. then are we stuck with antivirals? | 01:49 |
| elliott1[m] | https://www.cnsnews.com/article/international/michael-w-chapman/pakistani-taliban-document-covid-19-part-war-new-world | 01:49 |
| LjL | ryouma, if we're stuck with antivirals we better home remdesivir is *much* better than it's touted to be | 01:49 |
| TIR559483 | thank you for the responses. | 01:50 |
| ryouma | what about fujifilm? | 01:50 |
| ryouma | TIR559483: those were just guesses of course | 01:50 |
| ryouma | there might be more options | 01:50 |
| ryouma | maybe they can double up | 01:50 |
| ryouma | (after quarantine) | 01:50 |
| ryouma | or go camping | 01:51 |
| TIR559483 | ryouma: I understand | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:42 UTC: Coronavirus Australia updates live: Queensland relaxes restrictions in time for Mother's Day – latest news: Study finds Australian households have already lost $102bn in income due to the Covid-19 pandemic and job insecurity remains high. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 01:51 |
| ryouma | idk if repatriation flights are still possible | 01:51 |
| TIR559483 | I wonder what people do anywhere in the world when they are locked down and simply do not have enough money to eat | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nigeria: +195 cases (now 3145), +5 deaths (now 103) since a day ago — Comoros: +4 cases (now 8) since 7 hours ago — World: +399 cases (now 3.8 million), +24 deaths (now 264229) since 38 minutes ago | 01:51 |
| TIR559483 | whether abroad or at home | 01:51 |
| LjL | ryouma, i don't know but i was told fujifilm isn't really equipped to produce that sort of drug at scale. anyway right now nobody seems to be focusing on anything but remdesivir antivirals-wise, i might be wrong though | 01:52 |
| TIR559483 | Oh, and I'm looking for a site that has a chart showing all US states' cases together. Anyone. | 01:52 |
| TIR559483 | ? | 01:52 |
| LjL | i mean i am of course wrong, saying "nobody" is is a stretch obviously, there's lots of trials ongoing. but just not much hope around anymore i feel | 01:52 |
| ryouma | that is a concern. i live near a food bank. lots of gun toting rednecks. there could be angry customers when food runs out. | 01:52 |
| LjL | TIR559483, https://offloop.net/covid19/ in this channel's topic does have a graph for the US as a whole | 01:52 |
| ryouma | same with supermarkets etc. of course if that occurs but i guess that is liess likely | 01:53 |
| TIR559483 | LjL thanks! | 01:53 |
| TIR559483 | Can't the government take control of food supply and have the army deliver it to populated areas and leave it in boxes on streets? | 01:53 |
| TIR559483 | https://offloop.net/covid19/ is perfect. Thanks!!!! | 01:54 |
| ryouma | it could in principle. except for those with limited diets for health reasons. | 01:54 |
| TIR559483 | I have to check all those US state boxes each time I visit the site. Is there a way make an url that does that? I see at the bottom of the offloop page, an url like this: http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy;Germany&byPopulation=yes&includeLive=yes | 01:58 |
| TIR559483 | Can I make that so all the states are listed? | 01:58 |
| LjL | TIR559483, yes, click "Clear all", then *right*-click on US | 02:00 |
| LjL-Matrix | elliott1: sorry, I have a "no memes and similar" kind of personal policy. This is not exactly a meme but it doesn't look good when most of the Matrix scrollback is taken up by one image imo | 02:02 |
| elliott1[m] | Oh sorry I didn't know, I'll read the rules now | 02:02 |
| TIR559483 | LjL, yes, that works perfectly. Thanks again | 02:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5664 cases (now 3.8 million), +674 deaths (now 264903) since 16 minutes ago — West Virginia, US: +28 cases (now 1276), +1 deaths (now 51) since 6 hours ago — Washington, US: +330 cases (now 16690), +9 deaths (now 879) since 23 hours ago | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:24 UTC: Doctors lambaste federal process for distributing Covid-19 drug remdesivir: Hospitals and physicians around the country are sharply criticizing the federal government for the uneven and opaque way it is distributing its supply of the Covid-19 drug remdesivir. → https://is.gd/IlLMcQ | 02:26 |
| LjL | The results from a new set of surveys by Morning Consult found that 14 percent of American adults would not get a COVID-19 vaccine if one were available and 22 percent aren’t sure if they would. In a separate recent survey, currently undergoing peer review, political scientists Kristin Lunz Trujillo and Matt Motta found that 23% of U.S. respondents said they would not get vaccinated against COVID-19. | 02:32 |
| LjL | https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/millions-of-americans-will-refuse-to-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine-when-it-becomes-available-polls-say/ | 02:32 |
| sookie | are there anti-vaccine or at least groups of people skeptical of vaccines in other developed countries? | 02:36 |
| pyna | lmao someone flushed a toilet on SCOTUS feed? | 02:38 |
| pyna | yes sookie | 02:39 |
| sookie | oh, it seems america's antivax movement can be traced back to british antivaxers (primarily william tebb) | 02:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kansas, US: +104 cases (now 5993), +2 deaths (now 164) since 5 hours ago — Norway: +20 cases (now 7996) since 8 hours ago — World: +203 cases (now 3.8 million), +3 deaths (now 264906) since 38 minutes ago | 02:40 |
| sookie | very interesting. seems in america in 1955, there was a huge vaccine fiasco. a polio vaccine maker (cutter laboratories) messed up and included live virus in some batches of their vaccine. of the 200,000 children who got the vaccine, 40,000 developed polio from it. | 02:41 |
| sookie | yikes | 02:41 |
| pyna | personally i don't listen to anti-vaxxers because i'm brainwashed by drinking flouridated water | 02:41 |
| LjL | sookie, there were already groups of parents opposed to variolation of their children when that practice was imported to England from the east, and that was... a long time ago | 02:43 |
| sookie | wow, seems denmark, japan, ireland, and colombia vaccination rates plummeted after the anti-hpv movement began in 2007 | 02:43 |
| LjL | to be fair, it was a much more dangerous practice than any vaccines today | 02:43 |
| LjL | but then so was smallpox | 02:43 |
| whytek | sookie, I've heard a lot of discontent about and thus now skepticism of seasonal flu vax. (in Ireland) | 02:44 |
| LjL | as to polio vaccination... that sounds like a terrible thing, but let's put that in context of the fact that *today*, more children get polio from vaccines than they do from the "wild" virus, and that... is a good thing, because it means polio has been almost completely eradicated (the vaccine has about 1 in 750000 chance of causing actual polio) | 02:45 |
| whytek | I have no idea how accurate any of that is, all i'd say is that there is "word on the street" that people who had not had a "bad 'flu" in years got seriously ill after a flu vax | 02:45 |
| LjL | and polio was pretty freaking awful. look up "post-polio syndrome" if the disease itself wasn't enough | 02:46 |
| pyna | there's a few kinds of anti vax - there's the gov't mind control kind, and the amateur statistician kind | 02:46 |
| whytek | I also heard a personal account from somebody from Poland who got accidently vacinated for seasonal flu in scotland (it was not explained well to her what was going on) - She claims to have suffered seasonal flu for some years after that, and claims to have never had that before. | 02:47 |
| pyna | i quizzed my old-ass parents pretty hard about how horrifying it was when polio | 02:47 |
| whytek | Although, we did discuss possibly effect of much milder winters in Poland on that. | 02:47 |
| sookie | wow, big percentage of europeans believe vaccination causes health problems | 02:48 |
| sookie | https://g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/ebs_488_report_en.pdf | 02:48 |
| pyna | but they aren't old enough to realy remember | 02:48 |
| LjL | sookie, hear, this is "funny" | 02:49 |
| LjL | Though Sabin's vaccine had the advantages of being administered orally and of fostering wider `contact immunity', it could also be re-activated by passage through the gut, resulting in occasional cases of polio (still causing paralysis in six to eight children every year in the 1980s and 1990s, when a modified Salk vaccine was re-introduced). As Offit observes, `ironically, the Cutter incident—by creating the perception among scientists and the publi | 02:49 |
| LjL | c that Salk's vaccine was dangerous —led in part to the development of a polio vaccine that was more dangerous'. | 02:49 |
| sookie | whytek: makes sense. the pdf i just linked shows a lot of anti-vaccine sentiment across europe. | 02:49 |
| LjL | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/ | 02:49 |
| whytek | I think it's unfortunate that debate about something as drastic as polio is mixed up with vax for seasonal flu | 02:50 |
| pyna | polio seems to be a lot like this shit but even worse in so many ways | 02:50 |
| whytek | i also would resist a binary for or against vax position | 02:50 |
| LjL | like this as in how? | 02:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Washington, US: +3 cases (now 16694), +1 deaths (now 880) since 16 minutes ago — World: +43 cases (now 3.8 million), +4 deaths (now 264910) since 16 minutes ago — US: +43 cases (now 1.3 million), +4 deaths (now 74798) since 16 minutes ago | 02:50 |
| whytek | I'm all got healthy skepticism, excuse the pun :) | 02:51 |
| LjL | whytek, what is your definition of "drastic" vs not? | 02:51 |
| whytek | *for | 02:51 |
| LjL | okay i'm going back to the bot's old mechanism, maybe this could work but clearly i'm inept so | 02:51 |
| sookie | this is quite amazing to me. | 02:52 |
| whytek | LjL, good question, it's impossible to speak for individual cases. Of course there is a case of a loved on lost to season flu and the feeling that this could have been prevented by a vaccine. | 02:52 |
| sookie | apparently, across the whole globe, it is europe that is most skeptical of vaccines. | 02:52 |
| sookie | https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(16)30398-X/fulltext | 02:52 |
| whytek | That would seem drastic to those involved. | 02:52 |
| sookie | bangladesh, ecuador, and iran are the biggest supporters of vaccines | 02:52 |
| pyna | why would you resist a binary position on a binary question | 02:53 |
| whytek | pyna, I really do not consider it a binary question | 02:53 |
| sookie | by the way the press likes to emphasize the antivaxxer movement in the u.s. i would have thought america would be the biggest anti-vaccine spot | 02:53 |
| sookie | but europe leads in that | 02:54 |
| whytek | pyna, can you present an "it's a binary question" argument? | 02:54 |
| pyna | sure | 02:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:46 UTC: Coronavirus Australia updates live: Queensland relaxes restrictions in time for Mother's Day – latest news: Study finds Australian households have already lost $102bn in income due to the Covid-19 pandemic and job insecurity remains high. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 02:54 |
| LjL | whytek, well it is also "drastic" that the flu kills a shitton of people every year (i think that's the epidemiological term for the amount)... i mean, maybe they've *mostly* stopped doing this, but during this whole thing a lot of people were like "what's the big deal? the flu is much worse, it kills <insert scary number of people> a year!" | 02:55 |
| LjL | which implies... that the flu is bad. and i would be hard-pressed to dispute *that* part. | 02:55 |
| sookie | very interesting --> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(16)30398-X/fulltext | 02:55 |
| pyna | when presented with a vaccine that everyone else is taking, you either join, or resist | 02:55 |
| LjL | of course that's not all there is to it, since the flu vaccine isn't nearly as effective as the polio vaccine, and it has to be repeated every year, and other differences | 02:55 |
| Butterfly^ | https://twitter.com/JonIsAwesomest/status/1257736569370247169?s=19 @JonIsAwesomest (The face toucher): Starting to feel really weird that we made such a big deal about 9/11. At this point we have a 9/11 every two days and have decided that's not a bad enough thing to stop people from getting haircuts. (1 day and 6 hours ago) | 02:55 |
| LjL | but as to "drastic", the flu would be one of the more drastic diseases we have in terms of deaths | 02:56 |
| LjL | infectious diseases, at least | 02:56 |
| whytek | pyna, OK. I think my position would be that my preference would be to watch what happens to the people who get the first batch of the vaccine. | 02:57 |
| whytek | for about 20 or 30 years... | 02:58 |
| whytek | then by preference also watch how it goes for their offspring. | 02:58 |
| whytek | but.. in this case other factors will weigh in for sure. | 02:58 |
| sookie | whytek gets his covid19 vaccine in 2050 | 02:58 |
| whytek | :) | 02:58 |
| sookie | :> | 02:58 |
| whytek | 2050 sounds good | 02:58 |
| sookie | say the vaccine has a 2% chance of serious side-effects and 1% chance of death | 02:59 |
| sookie | covid has a 1% chance of death of 0.01% chance of serious illness | 02:59 |
| sookie | what would a gambler do? | 02:59 |
| LjL | wait you have a higher chance of dying than of getting a serious form? | 03:00 |
| LjL | is it the mild forms that kill people? :P | 03:00 |
| pyna | whytek: so then would you end up getting one or not? | 03:00 |
| sookie | LjL: i flipped them by mistake :/ | 03:00 |
| LjL | sookie, well 0.01% chance of dying is only if you get the most ridiculously optimistic guesstimates but okay, i guess we know how you see that | 03:01 |
| nb | sookie, I thought it was 1% chance of death 20% chance of needing hospitalization | 03:01 |
| nb | or something like that | 03:01 |
| sookie | it's just playing with numbers to create a dilemma on vaccination | 03:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 00:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Brazil posts record daily new cases, American Airlines requires staff to wear masks → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 03:01 |
| pyna | antivax is david hume, provax is william james | 03:02 |
| LjL | sure, but unless we play with the most agreed-upon form of the numbers, we end up giving people who read spottily the wrong impression anyway :P 0.5% to 1% still seems like a reasonable estimate to me so far, while allowing that there is a LOT of uncertainty on this | 03:02 |
| sookie | you know all those health care workers from georgia and other states that responded to ny cuomo call for help? when he asked nurses and doctors from other places to go to ny to help? | 03:02 |
| sookie | now cuomo is taxing them with ny taxes for the money they made while helping them. | 03:03 |
| pyna | love both of those people, but a problem with vaccination and pandemics and also dictators and eugenics and physics is, all or nothing | 03:03 |
| pyna | whoa cuomo is spending your taxes | 03:04 |
| pyna | ? | 03:04 |
| sookie | so some poor nurse, packs her bags to travel to ny, to put her life at risk, to help ny weather it's horrific epidemic. | 03:04 |
| sookie | and what does she get? | 03:04 |
| sookie | a big fat tax charge from cuomo | 03:04 |
| sookie | what a douche | 03:04 |
| LjL | <sookie> what a douche ← that's still the part i just don't want to see | 03:05 |
| pyna | oh my god sookie have you called the cops yet | 03:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1021 cases (now 3.8 million), +23 deaths (now 264933) since 17 minutes ago — US: +174 cases (now 1.3 million), +1 deaths (now 74799) since 17 minutes ago — Ghana: +372 cases (now 3091) since 2 days ago | 03:06 |
| whytek | pyna, my feeling is that one way or another, most nations states are going to make this compulsory | 03:06 |
| whytek | Even if it's not your nation state of citizen ship, you might end up seriously restricting your options for travel by not having this vaccination | 03:07 |
| whytek | Like I said my personal preference would be not, at least not the first batches | 03:08 |
| sookie | sometimes school also require it for study or travel abroad | 03:08 |
| sookie | like yellow fever if you go to brazil, and such | 03:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:02 UTC: Coronavirus Australia updates live: Queensland relaxes restrictions in time for Mother's Day – latest news: Study finds Australian households have already lost $102bn in income due to the Covid-19 pandemic and job insecurity remains high. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 03:08 |
| pyna | the only person i could think of giving a shit about interstate travel and NY taxes right now is a US president trying to "move to florida" | 03:09 |
| LjL | you're both petty | 03:09 |
| sookie | i can imagine not getting covid vaccines limiting travel too. so though it might not be compulsory in some places, it might be in effect, if you wish to move around. | 03:10 |
| whytek | sookie, indeed, that's my feeling | 03:10 |
| pyna | damn straight, LjL | 03:11 |
| sookie | whytek: i think another aspect of this that is worthy of consideration is the degree of immunity | 03:11 |
| whytek | pyna sookie I'm interested in terms of the attitude to vaccines, I wonder would you mind sharing say, decade of birth? either on channel or PM | 03:11 |
| whytek | no problem to decline obviously | 03:12 |
| sookie | if this becomes something like the seasonal flu, where you need a yearly covid vaccine, i would really like to see lots testing for possible side effects. | 03:12 |
| LjL | why? if it's a one-off which has terrible side effects, they're terrible anyway | 03:12 |
| pyna | drink the hemlock or jump out the window | 03:12 |
| sookie | well, because usually these are probabilistic. like x% chance of a bad side-effect | 03:13 |
| sookie | if you get one every year, it's worse | 03:13 |
| LjL | also i don't believe there is any reason to think it would be yearly. of course we don't know many things about it, including how long a vaccine would act for, but... the flu is yearly for reasons that are quite specific to the flu | 03:13 |
| sookie | like each time you cross the street you have 0.1% chance of getting run over | 03:13 |
| LjL | sookie, no, not necessarily. the chance is often tied to something about yourself. "1% chance of allergic reaction" typically means that *same* 1% of people will get the reaction | 03:13 |
| LjL | (minus sensitivization) | 03:13 |
| sookie | sometimes, and other times not. | 03:14 |
| LjL | sookie, you could find that a one-off vaccine seems to work fine for two years (random number to make sure there's lots of wide-scale testing) but then it starts killing everyone who took it | 03:14 |
| LjL | that... would be much worse than a yearly vaccine with 1% of side-effects every year | 03:15 |
| LjL | it's an extreme, but not a *completely* unlikely extreme | 03:15 |
| LjL | ADE and all that | 03:15 |
| LjL | what i'm trying to say is that i think you should more look at the vaccine in its entirety than whether or not it's one-off or has to be repeated | 03:15 |
| sookie | i would look at all of it | 03:16 |
| sookie | and there are scenarios in which a yearly vaccine is more troubling than a one-off | 03:16 |
| sookie | and vice versa | 03:17 |
| Spiney | Good evening all | 03:17 |
| sookie | but they are (and by they i mean us government and european governments), are racing to get a vaccine | 03:17 |
| sookie | when you speed things up, you by definition, limit the testing framework. | 03:17 |
| sookie | i don't want to be injected by some crap they rushed trhough to protect me from something i have 99%+ chance of surviving anyways. | 03:18 |
| LjL | sookie, yes, but also there is likely going to be issues producing 7 billion doses all at once, so i suspect the first batches will be given to "vulnerable people" | 03:18 |
| sookie | especially if by then we have damn good drugs too like remdesivir (or others) | 03:18 |
| Spiney | Is there a definite source for the virus? | 03:18 |
| LjL | i don't know if remdesivir is going to show some pretty solid advantages, but "damn good drug" is almost certainly a high bar for it, or anything else we've found yet, as by "damn good" i'd expect something that pretty much cures it in pretty much all cases | 03:19 |
| pyna | yes. we've got it narrowed down to a specific universe, galaxy, solar system, and planet even! | 03:20 |
| LjL | Spiney, no, but some animal at the Wuhan seafood market that was in turn infected from bats is still the most accepted theory | 03:20 |
| whytek | Oh, just found some dodgy looking article presenting "research" that shows MMR protects you from covid | 03:20 |
| sookie | it's no longer the most accepted theory by intelligence afencies | 03:20 |
| LjL | i don't think the source will ever be "definite" to the level that a scientist cannot allow for an alternative explanation (not meaning ANY alterantive explanation of course) | 03:20 |
| whytek | you'll forgive me if i do not share the link | 03:20 |
| sookie | it is the official chinese story | 03:21 |
| sookie | not sure i'd call it the "most accepted theory" | 03:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1825 cases (now 3.8 million), +205 deaths (now 265138) since 18 minutes ago — Panama: +208 cases (now 7731), +8 deaths (now 218) since a day ago — Mexico: +1609 cases (now 27634), +197 deaths (now 2704) since a day ago | 03:21 |
| LjL | sookie, okay, i'll add "scientifically" then | 03:21 |
| pyna | link to official chinese story please? | 03:21 |
| Spiney | LjL, that was the first time I have heard that theory. Of course, I haven't been keeping on top of the news, etc. | 03:23 |
| LjL | Spiney, what? it's been "the" theory for... okay i've lost track of time | 03:24 |
| Spiney | LjL, eh - I'm not surprised, cause of the 'uproar' | 03:24 |
| pyna | the more angry sparks fly between me and sookie, the more we are destined to eventually kiss and turn out to both be werejackals | 03:28 |
| ryouma | dunno if this got passed but e.g. "Apr 21, 2020 ... NY Gov Cuomo proposes a 50% bonus for those on the frontlines of fighting COVID-19" | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Brazil posts record daily new cases, American Airlines requires staff to wear masks → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 03:29 |
| ryouma | so it's kind of like maybe there is a fuller picture there sompleace | 03:29 |
| pyna | what's hazard pay, in general | 03:30 |
| ryouma | it's not like cuomo is going to disincentivizet hose he wants there | 03:31 |
| pyna | how much more did we pay a civilian programmer to be a civilian programmer in afghanistan | 03:31 |
| Spiney | pyna, I 'heard' from an airforce friend. They were able to retire after 5-6 years of service. | 03:33 |
| pyna | i'm not sure how to translate that into numbers, but sounds like a lot | 03:34 |
| ryouma | i'd take that deal. it's not like you're going to be programming in battlezones right? | 03:34 |
| ryouma | you'd be in some rear base, probalby in the middle, witha bunch of trained military protecting you | 03:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guatemala: +35 cases (now 798), +2 deaths (now 21) since 22 hours ago — World: +58 cases (now 3.8 million), +3 deaths (now 265141) since 26 minutes ago — Australia: +19 cases (now 6894) since a day ago | 03:36 |
| pyna | the argument for privatizing the military is that is was farcical to put someone through basic training just to be a cook. just have regular cooks! | 03:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:31 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia updates live: NSW police investigate deputy premier John Barilaro over breaking Covid-19 restrictions – latest news → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 03:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +173 cases (now 3.8 million), +6 deaths (now 265147) since 17 minutes ago — Honduras: +191 cases (now 1461), +6 deaths (now 99) since 22 hours ago — South Korea: +4 cases (now 10810), +1 deaths (now 256) since 22 hours ago | 03:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Germany bailed out of disiaster mode today | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:47 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia update live: NSW police investigate deputy premier John Barilaro over breaking Covid-19 restrictions – latest news → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 03:57 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: ICU doctor fighting coronavirus denied green card: 'It's like a slap in the face' (10206 votes) | https://redd.it/gepmc3 | 04:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +84 cases (now 1886), +5 deaths (now 91) since 23 hours ago — World: +84 cases (now 3.8 million), +5 deaths (now 265152) since 38 minutes ago | 04:21 |
| LjL | %title https://thehill.com/homenews/news/496419-icu-doctor-fighting-coronavirus-denied-green-card-its-like-a-slap-in-the-face | 04:27 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From thehill.com: ICU doctor fighting coronavirus denied green card: 'It's like a slap in the face' | TheHill | 04:27 |
| LjL | > Iafrate is currently an assistant professor at Columbia University Medical Center. She has lived in the U.S. for 13 years, 10 of which were spent completing a residency program at the Mayo Clinic | 04:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +859 cases (now 3.8 million), +20 deaths (now 265172) since 15 minutes ago — Pakistan: +859 cases (now 24073), +20 deaths (now 564) since 8 hours ago | 04:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Brazil posts record daily new cases, American Airlines requires staff to wear masks → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 04:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:42 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Simon Romero su Twitter: "NEW in NYT live briefing: Arizona asks modeling team to halt work after its results supported a delayed reopening https://t.co/uMmaR4QhW9… https://t.co/HQqa12GA8q" → https://is.gd/7ksTZK | 04:47 |
| T5010 | hi | 04:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany reports over 1,200 new cases, Brazil posts record daily new infections → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 05:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Quebec, Canada: +909 cases (now 34334), +112 deaths (now 2511) since a day ago — Ontario, Canada: +442 cases (now 19910), +55 deaths (now 1560) since a day ago — British Virgin Islands, United Kingdom: +1 cases (now 7) since 10 days ago | 05:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:09 UTC: Coronavirus Australia updates live: more than $15bn stimulus paid out to Australians – latest news: NSW police to question deputy premier John Barilaro over travel to country property, as study finds households have lost $102bn in income due to Covid-19. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 05:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for District of Columbia, US: +139 cases (now 5461), +13 deaths (now 277) since 19 hours ago | 05:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:25 UTC: Coronavirus live updates Australia: more than $15bn paid out in stimulus – latest news: NSW police to question deputy premier John Barilaro over travel to country property, as study finds households have lost $102bn in income due to Covid-19. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 05:29 |
| ryouma | more on the modeling team: https://www.nbc26.com/news/coronavirus/arizona-state-health-department-tells-modeling-team-to-stop-work1 | 05:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany reports over 1,200 new cases, Brazil posts record daily new infections → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 05:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: EU to propose process for how WHO can learn from Covid-19 outbreak → https://is.gd/iTGdyw | 06:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Germany reports over 1,200 new cases, Brazil posts record daily new infections → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 06:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:39 UTC: Coronavirus live updates Australia: more than $15bn paid out in stimulus – latest news: NSW police to question deputy premier John Barilaro over travel to country property, as study finds households have lost $102bn in income due to Covid-19. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 06:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:49 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in India jump above 50,000: India's total coronavirus cases in India rose to 52,952 — an increase of 3,561 from the previous day, according to its health ministry. → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 06:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +257 cases (now 3.8 million), +18 deaths (now 265191) since 2 hours ago — El Salvador: +62 cases (now 695) since 11 hours ago — US: +91 cases (now 1.3 million), +8 deaths (now 74807) since 4 hours ago | 07:05 |
| bellefleur | been hearing more and more about doctors treating covid patients with blood thinners | 07:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:56 UTC: Coronavirus live updates Australia: Barilaro won't be fined for visit to country house, NSW police say – latest news: Police say NSW deputy premier’s visit was not in breach of health orders; more than $15bn paid out in stimulus; and study finds households have lost $102bn in income due to Covid-19. Follow all [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 07:07 |
| bellefleur | the word is, that reduces mortality risk quite a bit | 07:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australian company Promedical fined $63,000 for false claims about Covid-19 test kits → https://is.gd/wEWPeX | 07:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:20 UTC: Coronavirus live updates Australia: Barilaro won't be fined for visit to country house, NSW police say – latest news: Police say NSW deputy premier’s visit was not in breach of health orders; more than $15bn paid out in stimulus; and study finds households have lost $102bn in income due to Covid-19. Follow all [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 05:35 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in India jump above 50,000: India's total coronavirus cases in India rose to 52,952 — an increase of 3,561 from the previous day, according to its health ministry. → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 07:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:45 UTC: Coronavirus live updates Australia: Barilaro won't be fined for visit to country house, NSW police say – latest news: Police say NSW deputy premier’s visit was not in breach of health orders; more than $15bn paid out in stimulus; and study finds households have lost $102bn in income due to Covid-19. Follow all [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 07:49 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Online retailers spend millions on ads backing Postal Service bailout. (10193 votes) | https://redd.it/geu3km | 07:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 06:06 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Total cases in India jump above 50,000: India's total coronavirus cases in India rose to 52,952 — an increase of 3,561 from the previous day, according to its health ministry. → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 08:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 06:12 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Chi viene trovato positivo al Covid viene permanentemente escluso dal reclutamento militare nelle forze Americane, anche se guarito. → https://is.gd/pDEuIm | 08:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:16 UTC: Coronavirus live updates Australia: Barilaro won't be fined for visit to country house, NSW police say – latest news: Police say NSW deputy premier’s visit was not in breach of health orders; more than $15bn paid out in stimulus; and study finds households have lost $102bn in income due to Covid-19. Follow all [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 08:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:34 UTC: Eurozone: Bank of England warns UK economy could shrink 14% in 2020 amid Covid-19 downturn - business live → https://is.gd/HvhzhF | 08:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +730 cases (now 3.8 million), +18 deaths (now 265209) since an hour ago — Ukraine: +507 cases (now 13691), +13 deaths (now 340) since 23 hours ago — US: +41 cases (now 1.3 million), +2 deaths (now 74809) since an hour ago | 08:50 |
| tinwhiskers | https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/draft-study-conclusions-on-sars-cov-2-mutation-overstep-data-grab-headlines/ | 08:59 |
| tinwhiskers | !title | 08:59 |
| tinwhiskers | Title: We don’t know yet whether a mutation has made SARS-CoV-2 more infectious | Ars Technica | 08:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gabon: +42 cases (now 439), +2 deaths (now 8) since a day ago — World: +108 cases (now 3.8 million), +3 deaths (now 265212) since 17 minutes ago | 09:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:09 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: India's cases surpass 50,000, UK economy could shrink 14% this year → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 09:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 07:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus PPE: Gowns ordered from Turkey fail to meet safety standards → https://is.gd/KoTaWn | 09:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +746 cases (now 3.8 million), +1 deaths (now 265213) since 17 minutes ago — Singapore: +741 cases (now 20939) since 15 hours ago — Czechia: +5 cases (now 7979), +1 deaths (now 263) since 8 hours ago | 09:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson to chair Cabinet meeting reviewing lockdown measures → https://is.gd/3HngR7 | 09:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 07:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: India's cases surpass 50,000, UK economy could shrink 14% this year → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 09:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson to chair Cabinet meeting reviewing lockdown measures → https://is.gd/3HngR7 | 09:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +11307 cases (now 3.8 million), +94 deaths (now 265307) since 33 minutes ago — Russia: +11231 cases (now 177160), +88 deaths (now 1625) since a day ago — Dem. Rep. Congo: +66 cases (now 863), +1 deaths (now 36) since a day ago | 09:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:46 UTC: Coronavirus live updates Australia: Newmarch House aged care home appoints external adviser as three more staff test positive – latest news: Police say NSW deputy premier’s visit to country home not in breach of health orders; more than $15bn paid out in stimulus; and study finds households have lost $102bn in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 10:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Denmark: +145 cases (now 10083) since 19 hours ago — World: +145 cases (now 3.8 million) since 17 minutes ago | 10:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 08:04 UTC: (news): Coronavirus PPE: Gowns ordered from Turkey fail to meet safety standards → https://is.gd/KoTaWn | 10:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia posts record daily new cases, UK economy could shrink 14% this year → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 10:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +346 cases (now 3.8 million), +28 deaths (now 265335) since 24 minutes ago — Philippines: +339 cases (now 10343), +27 deaths (now 685) since 23 hours ago — Estonia: +7 cases (now 1720), +1 deaths (now 56) since 23 hours ago | 10:21 |
| withorwithout | !title https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7054935/ I missed that one back then | 10:27 |
| tinwhiskers | Title: No credible evidence supporting claims of the laboratory engineering of SARS-CoV-2 | 10:33 |
| brno | hi | 10:43 |
| tinwhiskers | hey brno | 10:43 |
| brno | you think alot of these chinese test kits are giving false negatives? | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:37 UTC: Coronavirus live updates Australia: NRL paves way for anti-vaxxers to train – latest news: League says players may be excused flu vaccine ‘under compelling circumstances’; Newmarch House appoints external adviser as three more staff test positive; police say NSW deputy premier’s visit to country home not in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UZptFi | 10:44 |
| btp | If they're government approved test kits they should be good. | 10:45 |
| tinwhiskers | brno: which test kits are you referring to? | 10:46 |
| brno | i don't know, my aunt in washinton is pretty sick with all the symptoms but is testing negative, kinda weird | 10:46 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't think the US is using kits from China | 10:46 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, maybe some states are... | 10:46 |
| brno | it has occured to me that the virus has mutated into strains that are not detected | 10:47 |
| btp | CDC had some bad kits and the FDA basically just let anyone into the market. | 10:47 |
| btp | She should assume she has it and contact health officials if things get worse. | 10:48 |
| brno | that is probably it | 10:48 |
| tinwhiskers | brno: really, that's not it | 10:48 |
| brno | yeah, but if you go to your doctor and they test you negative for covid19, then what? | 10:48 |
| brno | sorry, i shouldn't worry too much | 10:49 |
| btp | Drink tea, stay home, don't get sicker. | 10:49 |
| tinwhiskers | stay at home and contact health services if you get more sick | 10:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Poland: +158 cases (now 14898), +4 deaths (now 737) since 16 hours ago — World: +262 cases (now 3.8 million), +6 deaths (now 265341) since 36 minutes ago — Armenia: +102 cases (now 2884), +2 deaths (now 42) since a day ago | 10:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:50 UTC: Eurozone: Bank of England warns UK economy could shrink 14% in 2020 amid Covid-19 downturn - business live → https://is.gd/HvhzhF | 11:05 |
| Albright | %title https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/05/exclusive-government-scientist-neil-ferguson-resigns-breaking/ | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | Albright: From www.telegraph.co.uk: Exclusive: Government scientist Neil Ferguson resigns after breaking lockdown rules to meet his married lover | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +893 cases (now 3.8 million), +1 deaths (now 265342) since 21 minutes ago — Benin: +44 cases (now 140) since 2 days ago — Bangladesh: +706 cases (now 12425) since 23 hours ago | 11:06 |
| Albright | Dipshit whose fear-mongering led to a lot of the LOCK DOWN EVERYTHING government edicts currently in place around the world broke lockdown to schtup his mistress. | 11:07 |
| Albright | More "lockdown for thee but not for me" from our betters in government. | 11:07 |
| withorwithout | haha | 11:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Indonesia: +338 cases (now 12776), +35 deaths (now 930) since 23 hours ago — Belgium: +639 cases (now 51420), +76 deaths (now 8415) since a day ago — World: +988 cases (now 3.8 million), +111 deaths (now 265453) since 21 minutes ago | 11:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 09:18 UTC: (news): Coronavirus PPE: Gowns ordered from Turkey fail to meet safety standards → https://is.gd/KoTaWn | 11:26 |
| btp | ^-- We really need to start getting medical supplies under national security and guarantee we have the capabilities | 11:27 |
| btp | It's disgusting that I still cannot get decent face protection. | 11:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: cases in India pass 50,000 as UN warns pandemic could cause multiple famines → https://is.gd/CvYirg | 11:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 09:23 UTC: Coronavirus: Bank of England sees worst slump in 300 years as coronavirus bites → https://is.gd/3g9lqU | 11:40 |
| achelois | wow net split | 11:40 |
| genera | njet | 11:41 |
| genera | just the m bridge )) | 11:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 09:45 UTC: nCoV: Coronavirus in Russia: The Latest News | 07MAY20 → https://is.gd/SgmRo4 | 11:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Romania: +392 cases (now 14499), +8 deaths (now 876) since 2 hours ago — Ethiopia: +25 cases (now 187) since 23 hours ago — World: +420 cases (now 3.8 million), +10 deaths (now 265463) since 49 minutes ago | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:04 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia posts record daily new cases, UK economy could shrink 14% this year → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 12:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia (US), US: +19 cases (now 30759) since 3 hours ago — World: +218 cases (now 3.8 million) since 25 minutes ago — US: +19 cases (now 1.3 million) since 3 hours ago | 12:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:28 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: black people four times more likely to die from coronavirus than whites - ONS → https://is.gd/3HngR7 | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for N. Mariana Is.: +1 cases (now 15) since 16 days ago — Jersey: +1 deaths (now 25) since a day ago | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:38 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Russia posts record daily new cases, UK economy could shrink 14% this year → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:43 UTC: Eurozone: Bank of England warns UK economy could shrink 14% in 2020 amid Covid-19 downturn - business live → https://is.gd/HvhzhF | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1493 cases (now 3.8 million), +8 deaths (now 265471) since 34 minutes ago — United Arab Emirates: +502 cases (now 16240), +8 deaths (now 165) since 16 hours ago — Qatar: +918 cases (now 18890) since a day ago | 12:51 |
| Hullo1 | Hello | 13:00 |
| pwr22 | Hi | 13:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:57 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/95pmyI | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3354 cases (now 3.8 million), +215 deaths (now 265686) since 21 minutes ago — Spain: +3173 cases (now 256855), +213 deaths (now 26070) since 23 hours ago — Afghanistan: +171 cases (now 3563), +2 deaths (now 106) since a day ago | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:02 UTC: Sweden's chief scientist admits lessons have been learned over no-lockdown policy: Sweden's decision to avoid a strict lockdown like its European neighbors drew global attention and was not without controversy, but its chief epidemiologist says there are few things he would have done differently. → https://is.gd/IFCePT | 13:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +1485 cases (now 103135), +68 deaths (now 6486) since a day ago — World: +1521 cases (now 3.8 million), +68 deaths (now 265754) since 20 minutes ago — Malta: +2 cases (now 486) since 23 hours ago | 13:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bahrain: +197 cases (now 4131) since 17 hours ago — World: +214 cases (now 3.8 million) since 19 minutes ago — Vietnam: +17 cases (now 288) since 3 days ago | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:28 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: black people four times more likely to die from coronavirus than whites - ONS → https://is.gd/3HngR7 | 13:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:32 UTC: (news): Moderna shares surge after FDA approves coronavirus vaccine for phase 2 trial → https://is.gd/SiEAaD | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Oman: +1 deaths (now 14) since 4 hours ago — World: +123 cases (now 3.9 million), +8 deaths (now 265762) since 18 minutes ago — Germany: +83 cases (now 168245), +2 deaths (now 7277) since 14 hours ago | 13:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:58 UTC: (news): Russia posts record daily new coronavirus cases, UK economy could shrink 14% this year → https://is.gd/B7XIpK | 14:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 12:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus PPE: Gowns ordered from Turkey fail to meet safety standards → https://is.gd/KoTaWn | 14:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:19 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Moderna vaccine candidate takes 'crucial step,' Germany warns crisis is not over → https://is.gd/7n55F4 | 14:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2702 cases (now 3.9 million), +208 deaths (now 265970) since 33 minutes ago — Sweden: +705 cases (now 24623), +99 deaths (now 3040) since 23 hours ago — Portugal: +533 cases (now 26715), +16 deaths (now 1105) since 23 hours ago | 14:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 12:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Black Britons face 'twice the risk' of death, says ONS → https://is.gd/0E1Cte | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:31 UTC: Sweden's chief scientist admits lessons have been learned over no-lockdown policy: Sweden's decision to avoid a strict lockdown like its European neighbors drew global attention and was not without controversy, but its chief epidemiologist says there are few things he would have done differently. → https://is.gd/IFCePT | 14:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kuwait: +278 cases (now 6567), +2 deaths (now 44) since 23 hours ago — Sierra Leone: +6 cases (now 231), +2 deaths (now 16) since 23 hours ago — World: +291 cases (now 3.9 million), +9 deaths (now 265979) since 18 minutes ago | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Moderna vaccine candidate takes 'crucial step,' Germany warns crisis is not over → https://is.gd/7n55F4 | 14:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +461 cases (now 3.9 million), +4 deaths (now 265983) since 18 minutes ago — US: +391 cases (now 1.3 million) since an hour ago — S. Sudan: +16 cases (now 74) since 22 hours ago | 14:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:52 UTC: Moderna shares surge after FDA approves coronavirus vaccine for phase 2 trial: The race to develop anything to fight the coronavirus is intensely competitive and investors are watching closely for signs of progress on treatments and vaccines. → https://is.gd/SiEAaD | 14:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1934 cases (now 3.9 million), +16 deaths (now 265999) since 19 minutes ago — Sudan: +78 cases (now 930), +3 deaths (now 52) since 15 hours ago — Saudi Arabia: +1793 cases (now 33731), +10 deaths (now 219) since 23 hours ago | 15:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 13:08 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Pandemic Coverup Shines a Light on Beijing’s Pattern of Deception: Report → https://is.gd/cGwcEh | 15:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cabo Verde: +27 cases (now 218) since a day ago — World: +109 cases (now 3.9 million), +3 deaths (now 266002) since 19 minutes ago — Serbia: +57 cases (now 9848), +3 deaths (now 206) since a day ago | 15:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 13:21 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Coronavirus survivors banned from joining the military → https://is.gd/nbGeMv | 15:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Virus-fueled jobless claims stack up, European airlines pull guidance → https://is.gd/7n55F4 | 15:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kenya: +25 cases (now 607), +3 deaths (now 29) since 22 hours ago — World: +25 cases (now 3.9 million), +3 deaths (now 266005) since 20 minutes ago | 15:37 |
| iz | %cases us | 15:48 |
| Brainstorm | iz: In all areas, US, there are 1.3 million total cases (0.4% of the population) and 74813 deaths (5.9% of cases) as of 14 minutes ago. 8.0 million tests were performed (15.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 15:48 |
| iz | %cases spain | 15:48 |
| Brainstorm | iz: In all areas, Spain, there are 256855 total cases (0.5% of the population) and 26070 deaths (10.1% of cases) as of 14 minutes ago. 1.6 million tests were performed (15.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 3.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 13.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 15:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 13:47 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Coronavirus Update: Visualization Of The Spread Of COVID-19 *Updated May 7th* → https://is.gd/5dmgEX | 15:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +90 cases (now 3.9 million), +21 deaths (now 266026) since 18 minutes ago — Tajikistan: +82 cases (now 461), +4 deaths (now 12) since 23 hours ago — US: +8 cases (now 1.3 million), +4 deaths (now 74817) since 49 minutes ago | 15:52 |
| YYZ | "total cases" is total misinformation | 15:52 |
| YYZ | total cases detected isn't "total cases" | 15:53 |
| YYZ | those death rate percentages are a total fraud | 15:53 |
| YYZ | am I the only one w/o his brain turned off here? | 15:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:52 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Virus-fueled jobless claims stack up, European airlines pull guidance → https://is.gd/7n55F4 | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +196 cases (now 3.9 million), +8 deaths (now 266034) since 18 minutes ago — US: +193 cases (now 1.3 million), +8 deaths (now 74825) since 18 minutes ago — Uzbekistan: +3 cases (now 2269) since 7 hours ago | 16:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 14:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus PPE: Gowns ordered from Turkey fail to meet safety standards → https://is.gd/KoTaWn | 16:18 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Overwhelming majority of Americans more concerned about coronavirus spreading further than economic damage, poll shows (10253 votes) | https://redd.it/gezp2p | 16:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2103 cases (now 3.9 million), +73 deaths (now 266107) since 20 minutes ago — Virginia, US: +1314 cases (now 21570), +56 deaths (now 769) since 2 days ago — US: +1325 cases (now 1.3 million), +56 deaths (now 74881) since 20 minutes ago | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Virus-fueled jobless claims stack up, European airlines pull guidance → https://is.gd/7n55F4 | 16:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Maryland, US: +1211 cases (now 29374), +66 deaths (now 1503) since 23 hours ago — Myanmar: +14 cases (now 176) since 7 hours ago — World: +1225 cases (now 3.9 million), +66 deaths (now 266173) since 18 minutes ago | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:37 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Johnson says 'maximum caution' needed as part of lockdown easing; Notting Hill carnival cancelled → https://is.gd/3HngR7 | 16:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:46 UTC: Moderna shares surge after FDA approves coronavirus vaccine for phase 2 trial: The race to develop anything to fight the coronavirus is intensely competitive and investors are watching closely for signs of progress on treatments and vaccines. → https://is.gd/SiEAaD | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 14:57 UTC: /u/slakmehl: AP Exclusive: US shelves detailed guide to reopening country - SFChronicle.com → https://is.gd/a6nH7g | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:03 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Colleges consider tuition freeze, East Coast sees growing spread of cases → https://is.gd/7n55F4 | 17:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +399 cases (now 63895), +48 deaths (now 4280) since 15 hours ago — World: +502 cases (now 3.9 million), +49 deaths (now 266222) since 34 minutes ago — Vermont, US: +8 cases (now 916), +1 deaths (now 53) since a day ago | 17:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 15:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Black Britons face 'twice the risk' of death, says ONS → https://is.gd/0E1Cte | 17:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Colleges consider tuition freeze, East Coast sees growing spread of cases → https://is.gd/7n55F4 | 17:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1602 cases (now 3.9 million), +25 deaths (now 266247) since 24 minutes ago — Chile: +1533 cases (now 24581), +4 deaths (now 285) since 22 hours ago — Pakistan: +49 cases (now 24122), +21 deaths (now 585) since 12 hours ago | 17:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:25 UTC: (news): Military member detailed to White House tests positive for coronavirus, but Trump is negative → https://is.gd/qSUTmm | 17:28 |
| Jigsy | Nearly four million, huh? | 17:32 |
| ComradeGoldberg[ | Anyone here study the Jewish problem? | 17:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Colleges consider tuition freeze, East Coast sees growing spread of cases → https://is.gd/7n55F4 | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +343 cases (now 1.3 million), +14 deaths (now 74962) since 39 minutes ago — North Carolina, US: +343 cases (now 13397), +14 deaths (now 507) since 16 hours ago — Germany: +379 cases (now 168655), +45 deaths (now 7322) since 3 hours ago | 17:38 |
| LjL | ComradeGoldberg[, i'd say that's far outside the channel's scope (whatever you mean by problem). | 17:38 |
| LjL | <28YYZ18> "total cases" is total misinformation <YYZ> those death rate percentages are a total fraud <28YYZ18> am I the only one w/o his brain turned off here? | 17:39 |
| LjL | i don't know, but you seem to be the only one who uses such strong wording to criticize my choice of words in the bot's messages that give the only data that are available publicly for every country | 17:40 |
| LjL | as far as constructive criticism go, on a scale of 1 to 10 constructiveness, yours is about -10 | 17:40 |
| LjL | accusing me of fraud is also very rude, really | 17:40 |
| LjL | feel free to /ignore the bot | 17:41 |
| LjL | "total", incidentally, was as opposed to "active", which you can get with %active, and which subtract the recovered | 17:42 |
| LjL | these are terms used in contrast and neither implies that they are more than the known, confirmed cases | 17:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:39 UTC: Watch live: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo holds a press conference on the coronavirus outbreak: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is holding his daily press conference on the Covid-19 outbreak, which has infected more than 323,900 people across the state as of Thursday. → https://is.gd/gzhed4 | 17:42 |
| LjL | partly because i thought nobody would be as daft as to presuppose that i am able to provide UNKNOWN numbers | 17:42 |
| Mr_Pink | get outta here | 17:44 |
| Mr_Pink | errr hello berkchops | 17:45 |
| Mr_Pink | <YYZ> No one will ever talk shit again after this | 17:46 |
| berkchops | how do you know who i am i'm wearing my gov't mandated mask | 17:46 |
| Raf[m] | <YYZ "total cases detected isn't "tota"> It's a report, total cases are total cases reported. do you have the number of true total cases if they're not reported? anything else is an estimate | 17:50 |
| LjL | anyway i've changed it to "confirmed cases". i would have done that if it had been pointed out to me as civil criticism instead of calling fraud and insulting me, but hey. | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Algeria: +185 cases (now 5182), +7 deaths (now 483) since 23 hours ago — World: +351 cases (now 3.9 million), +257 deaths (now 266567) since 23 minutes ago — Poland: +149 cases (now 15047), +18 deaths (now 755) since 7 hours ago | 17:54 |
| Mr_Pink | LjL well i appreciate the work. He can be a bit abrasive. Knowing him for a few years now, he's probably off sharing YouTube copies of PLANDEMIC hoping everybody watches it before the NWO takes it down | 17:55 |
| LjL | :\ | 17:55 |
| LjL | %cases italy | 17:55 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In all areas, Italy, there have been 214457 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 29684 deaths (13.8% of cases) as of 11 minutes ago. 2.3 million tests were performed (9.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 17:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:51 UTC: (news): Military member detailed to White House tests positive for coronavirus, but Trump is negative → https://is.gd/qSUTmm | 17:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Colleges consider tuition freeze, East Coast sees growing spread of cases → https://is.gd/7n55F4 | 18:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3087 cases (now 3.9 million), +523 deaths (now 267090) since 24 minutes ago — US: +1269 cases (now 1.3 million), +238 deaths (now 75431) since 24 minutes ago — Pennsylvania, US: +753 cases (now 55651), +225 deaths (now 3572) since 16 hours ago | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:08 UTC: Trump personal valet tests positive for coronavirus, but White House says president is negative: A personal valet for President Donald Trump has tested postive for the coronavirus, but a White House spokesman said that both Trump and Vice President Mike Pence have tested negative for the virus. → https://is.gd/qSUTmm | 18:10 |
| YYZ | Raf[m], you can't have a "death rate" based on total reported cases and hence the lie/propaganda | 18:16 |
| LjL | okay if you insist that i'm just making "propaganda" then you won't be surprised that i don't allow counter-propaganda either | 18:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:15 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Dominic Raab leads daily briefing as death toll reaches 30,615: Government misses 100k testing target for fifth day in a row; PM urges ‘maximum caution’ on lockdown easing; Welsh schools will not reopen on 1 June → https://is.gd/3HngR7 | 18:18 |
| LjL | Mr_Pink, a bit abrasive, you say... the PM i got is more than "a bit abrasive" | 18:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +1805 cases (now 1.3 million), +59 deaths (now 75490) since 17 minutes ago — Mississippi, US: +262 cases (now 8686), +22 deaths (now 396) since 21 hours ago — Indiana, US: +633 cases (now 22503), +37 deaths (now 1414) since a day ago — Minnesota, US: +786 cases (now 9365) since 23 hours ago | 18:21 |
| Mr_Pink | LjL i was trying to be diplomatic. he's an asshole lmao | 18:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New York City to offer free antibody tests as East Coast sees growing spread of cases → https://is.gd/7n55F4 | 18:25 |
| LjL | Mr_Pink, hah | 18:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:27 UTC: Trump personal valet tests positive for coronavirus, but White House says president is negative: President Donald Trump was "not happy" to learn his personal valet, who serves him meals and performs other tasks in close proximity to Trump, tested positive for the coronavirus, which causes Covid-19. → https://is.gd/qSUTmm | 18:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iowa, US: +655 cases (now 11059), +12 deaths (now 231) since 22 hours ago — Egypt: +393 cases (now 7981), +13 deaths (now 482) since a day ago — World: +1185 cases (now 3.9 million), +57 deaths (now 267216) since 17 minutes ago — US: +784 cases (now 1.3 million), +42 deaths (now 75532) since 17 minutes ago | 18:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:35 UTC: Cramer gains confidence in Moderna's possible coronavirus vaccine after Fauci praises the tech: "I have felt not to get bullish on a vaccine until Fauci said, 'Get bullish,'" CNBC's Jim Cramer said, suggesting the White House advisor's positive comments on Moderna's potential coronavirus vaccine may be that bullish call. → https://is.gd/fMYaS3 | 18:39 |
| LjL | Italy's numbers still suck, yet the "re-opening" which was really only meant to get more people back to work has resulted in crowded as hell parks | 18:42 |
| shiv | what do you guys think of artemisia annua | 18:45 |
| shiv | no deaths in Madagascar | 18:45 |
| LjL | the leaves look cute | 18:46 |
| LjL | aside from that... nothing? | 18:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:39 UTC: This former NASA scientist wants to fight coronavirus with ultraviolet light: Fred Maxik, a former NASA scientist and the founder and chief scientific officer of Healthe, has developed what he claims is the first-ever human-safe Far-UVC technology to combat coronavirus. → https://is.gd/kNcvX5 | 18:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +7998 cases (now 3.9 million), +622 deaths (now 267838) since 19 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +5614 cases (now 206715), +539 deaths (now 30615) since a day ago — Turkey: +1977 cases (now 133721), +57 deaths (now 3641) since a day ago — Arizona, US: +238 cases (now 9945), +24 deaths (now 450) since a day ago | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:50 UTC: Trump personal valet tests positive for coronavirus, but White House says president is negative: President Donald Trump was "not happy" to learn his personal valet, who serves him meals and performs other tasks in close proximity to Trump, tested positive for the coronavirus, which causes Covid-19. → https://is.gd/qSUTmm | 18:53 |
| LjL | this sound like a random epidemiologist wanting fame to me, but there goes anyway: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.quotidiano.net%2Fcronaca%2Fcoronavirus-mutazione-1.5138147 | 18:55 |
| LjL | a retort: https://np.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/gf58dq/italy_coronavirus_mutated_and_lost_some_strength/fprmjpc/ | 18:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from New Scientist at 17:30 UTC: Black people in England and Wales twice as likely to die with covid-19: The latest coronavirus news updated every day including coronavirus cases, the latest news, features and interviews from New Scientist and essential information about the covid-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/FeJXAP | 19:00 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "Italy's numbers still suck, yet "> My flatmate ran through a park here and said it was the same | 19:01 |
| LjL | pwr22, yeah i'd expect that, the UK isn't doing any better than Italy, quite the contrary | 19:01 |
| LjL | well, there goes our artificially high user count | 19:03 |
| LjL | i know one can hide joins and parts, but regardless this does seem to be one of the many drawbacks of the Matrix-IRC bridge... | 19:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Czechia: +23 cases (now 8002), +6 deaths (now 269) since 9 hours ago — Somalia: +55 cases (now 928), +5 deaths (now 44) since a day ago — World: +284 cases (now 3.9 million), +30 deaths (now 267868) since 17 minutes ago — Germany: +147 cases (now 168912), +14 deaths (now 7336) since 47 minutes ago | 19:06 |
| pwr22 | <LjL "i know one can hide joins and pa"> Yeah, it's a requirement from freenode I think | 19:07 |
| LjL | yes | 19:07 |
| pwr22 | Would probably be better if it was done continuously in a rolling window though | 19:08 |
| LjL | they require that of all gateways, but only Matrix causes this in such a dramatic fashion... | 19:08 |
| cyphase | the matrix is unplugging them. see you in zion | 19:09 |
| Mr_Pink | lmao cyphase | 19:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2073 cases (now 3.9 million), +136 deaths (now 268004) since 19 minutes ago — Ireland: +137 cases (now 22385), +28 deaths (now 1403) since 23 hours ago — India: +1494 cases (now 54539), +50 deaths (now 1837) since 10 hours ago — Madagascar: +35 cases (now 193) since a day ago | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:33 UTC: (news): Millions of 'easy-to-use' coronavirus tests will be available by end of summer, top US health official says → https://is.gd/RELYyg | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +585 cases (now 1.3 million), +11 deaths (now 75587) since 18 minutes ago — Delaware, US: +161 cases (now 5939), +9 deaths (now 202) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +922 cases (now 64817), +124 deaths (now 4404) since 2 hours ago — Alabama, US: +111 cases (now 8810), +2 deaths (now 349) since 3 hours ago | 19:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:33 UTC: Trump personal valet tests positive for coronavirus, but White House says president is negative: President Trump was "not happy" to learn his personal valet, who serves him meals and performs other tasks in close proximity to Trump, tested positive for the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/qSUTmm | 19:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:42 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Raab says any change to lockdown will be modest and incremental; death toll reaches 30,615 → https://is.gd/3HngR7 | 19:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2446 cases (now 3.9 million), +252 deaths (now 268391) since 19 minutes ago — US: +2442 cases (now 1.3 million), +252 deaths (now 75839) since 19 minutes ago — Texas, US: +329 cases (now 35719), +5 deaths (now 1011) since 19 minutes ago — New Jersey, US: +1879 cases (now 134938), +246 deaths (now 8818) since 17 hours ago | 19:53 |
| disillusion | https://www.propublica.org/article/climate-infectious-diseases | 19:58 |
| disillusion | "Today, climate warming is demolishing those defense systems, driving a catastrophic loss in biodiversity that, when coupled with reckless deforestation and aggressive conversion of wildland for economic development, pushes farms and people closer to the wild and opens the gates for the spread of disease." | 19:59 |
| pyna | went out for an errand and saw a surprising number of people with masks but just around their neck | 19:59 |
| disillusion | " A new emerging disease surfaces five times a year. One study estimates that more than 3,200 strains of coronaviruses already exist among bats, awaiting an opportunity to jump to people." | 19:59 |
| disillusion | The TSA Hoarded 1.3 Million N95 Masks Even Though Airports Are Empty and It Doesn’t Need Them https://www.propublica.org/article/the-tsa-hoarded-1-3-million-n95-masks-even-though-airports-are-empty-and-it-doesnt-need-them | 20:02 |
| user______ | thank god for propublica | 20:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 17:51 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Russia Approves Unproven Malaria Drug to Treat Coronavirus - The Moscow Times → https://is.gd/LcoW0G | 20:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3543 cases (now 3.9 million), +214 deaths (now 268605) since 22 minutes ago — US: +3520 cases (now 1.3 million), +213 deaths (now 76052) since 22 minutes ago — Aruba: +1 deaths (now 3) since a day ago — New York, US: +3520 cases (now 337011), +172 deaths (now 26359) since 2 hours ago | 20:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 18:07 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Out-of-state travelers flock to Georgia as businesses reopen, researchers say - The Washington Post → https://is.gd/sLiN0b | 20:10 |
| Biep[m] | !compare world;us;europe | 20:11 |
| CovBot | I cannot find a match for europe | 20:11 |
| Biep[m] | No continent is a match for Europe. | 20:11 |
| Biep[m] | * !compare world;us | 20:11 |
| Biep[m] | !compare world;us;nl | 20:12 |
| Biep[m] | We Dutch never recover from corona - but we die more than any other nation. | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:16 UTC: (news): Millions of 'easy-to-use' coronavirus tests will be available by end of summer, top US health official says → https://is.gd/RELYyg | 20:24 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | will the accuracy still be terrible? | 20:26 |
| berkchops | https://twitter.com/BillyCorben/status/1258230370656542720 | 20:28 |
| berkchops | people are getting wild about not wearing masks | 20:28 |
| Arsanerit | why? | 20:31 |
| Arsanerit | do you mean they get angry at people who aren't wearing masks? | 20:31 |
| Arsanerit | or do you mean they don't want to wear masks? | 20:31 |
| user______ | cause wearing a mask is just another PC conspiracy plot to the koolaid watchers | 20:32 |
| berkchops | yeah they don't want to wear masks and get angry at places asking/forcing them to | 20:32 |
| berkchops | here in NY at least (long island) you can NOT enter a store without a mask and there's people at the front door checking everyone | 20:33 |
| user______ | berkchops: everywhere now, which is a good thing | 20:33 |
| berkchops | yeah agreed | 20:33 |
| berkchops | meat is getting real expensive, just got back from supermarket, also no fucking pasta again | 20:34 |
| lance0000 | They are getting us ready to eat bugs :) | 20:37 |
| LjL | https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/coronavirus-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/ “During the medical history interview or examination, a history of COVID-19, confirmed by either a laboratory test or a clinician diagnosis, is permanently disqualifying ...” the memo reads. | 20:37 |
| LjL | disturbing | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:29 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Madrid public health director resigns in protest at lockdown easing: Russia overtakes Germany and France after record rise in cases; international tourism to plunge 80%; France to keep borders closed until 15 June → https://is.gd/CvYirg | 20:38 |
| LjL | although that's not what the twitter-scanned page reads... | 20:38 |
| LjL | although i don't really understand what THAT says | 20:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ohio, US: +555 cases (now 22131), +46 deaths (now 1271) since a day ago — France: +600 cases (now 174791), +178 deaths (now 25987) since 23 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +288 cases (now 9095), +11 deaths (now 373) since a day ago — World: +3070 cases (now 3.9 million), +279 deaths (now 268884) since 36 minutes ago | 20:38 |
| Arsanerit | user______: masks everywhere? Even outside? | 20:41 |
| LjL | they are compulsory outside in Lombardy (and in stores, of course) | 20:41 |
| Arsanerit | Lombardy was particularly bad hit, then again, so was New York City | 20:42 |
| LjL | although using a scarf or anything else you have is also allowed, given the difficulty in sourcing actual masks :\ | 20:42 |
| Arsanerit | but does someone in the Adirondacks making a walk in the woods really need a mask? | 20:42 |
| Arsanerit | I am surprised at the speed at which Germany is reopening things, although it's true that some districts have reported no new cases in the past week. | 20:42 |
| Arsanerit | The district where I live has reported 7.3 cases per 100k inhabitants in the past 7 days. | 20:43 |
| LjL | "However, given the limited research on COVID-19, there are likely a few factors that military medical professionals are trying to hash out when it comes to recruiting survivors: Whether respiratory damage from the virus is long-lasting or permanent, and whether that can be assessed; the likelihood of recurring flare-ups, even if someone has had two consecutive negative tests; and the possibility that one bout of COVID-19 might not provide full immunity | 20:45 |
| LjL | for the future, and could potentially leave someone at a higher risk to contract it again, perhaps with worse complications." | 20:45 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Revealed: Amazon told workers paid sick leave law doesn't cover warehouses (10036 votes) | https://redd.it/gf55m6 | 20:45 |
| user______ | I was thinking of wearing latex gloves, I have a small box | 20:46 |
| LjL | user______, just keep in mind that in most things, they are not magically safer than bare hands | 20:47 |
| pwr22 | No one in my circle of friends of colleagues here in the UK think that opening anything up is a good idea right now | 20:47 |
| user______ | Arsanerit: here if your exercising it's not required, i'm not clear if just talking to someone within 5 feet easily transmits the pathogen | 20:47 |
| LjL | that doesn't make them useless but people sometimes have strange ideas | 20:47 |
| pwr22 | Yet plenty of people just want to go out and party | 20:47 |
| pwr22 | Non-tech people | 20:47 |
| LjL | pwr22, usual bubble effect | 20:47 |
| user______ | LjL: yes, I am a health care worker | 20:47 |
| LjL | okay then | 20:48 |
| LjL | gloves are to be compulsory now on public transport here. that seems a bit silly | 20:48 |
| LjL | people who have a clue on how to use gloves correctly will be using them anyway | 20:49 |
| LjL | people who don't will use them incorrectly, dispose of them incorrectly (like we don't have enough trash), waste gloves, and cause just as much infection as if they had their hands bare | 20:49 |
| LjL | (or more due to "feeling safe" effect) | 20:49 |
| LjL | but then... Lombardy has been consistently doing silly things from the start, i guess ;( | 20:50 |
| pwr22 | There's still no PPE available to buy in stores here in the UK | 20:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +424 cases (now 8232), +8 deaths (now 161) since 21 hours ago — Kansas, US: +195 cases (now 6251) since an hour ago — World: +811 cases (now 3.9 million), +14 deaths (now 268898) since 18 minutes ago — Germany: +103 cases (now 169015), +6 deaths (now 7342) since an hour ago | 20:51 |
| Arsanerit | pwr22: do medical ppl finally have PPE now? UK has a scary number of dying health workers and bus drivers. | 20:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:46 UTC: Cargo carriers reap rewards of coronavirus chaos: Cargo carriers have become a hot corner of the airline industry as airlines idle planes to face the coronavirus pandemic → https://is.gd/kvQDnG | 20:52 |
| Arsanerit | Isn't UK now Europe's worst hit country? | 20:52 |
| pwr22 | <Arsanerit "pwr22: do medical ppl finally ha"> I dunno but interestingly a bus driver in a supermarket tried to violate my personal space against social distancing rules | 20:53 |
| pwr22 | <Arsanerit "Isn't UK now Europe's worst hit "> Yeah | 20:53 |
| Arsanerit | UK reportedly has an excess mortality of 61%, similar to Belgium (60%), Spain (60%), higher than Netherlands (52%) or Italy (55%). How comparable are those figures really? My source is https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441 | 20:54 |
| Arsanerit | Germany has an excess mortality of 3% (same source) and some regions have barely any cases and no deaths, I think it is understandable people there want to have some reopening. | 20:54 |
| user______ | Arsanerit: sshhh don't tell anyone, or they can't "reopen without testing" | 20:54 |
| user______ | I mean "reopen" (without testing) | 20:54 |
| pwr22 | Dunno | 20:55 |
| pwr22 | !compare uk;de;belgium;nl | 20:56 |
| whytek | LjL, that military stuff makes me think about Vietnam. Imagine if getting infected with covid19 could have saved oyu from getting sent to | 20:56 |
| Arsanerit | I am somewhat surprised that the Netherlands excess mortality appears similar to Spain or Italy, and much higher than France. In the news here we've heard much more about Spain, Italy, or France than about The Netherlands. | 20:56 |
| whytek | Vietnam. What would all those young Americans have done? | 20:56 |
| withorwithout | Arsanerit: yes, it is hard to compare, it depends on many things. Also the excess death data is very noisy, since there are bad flu seasons (say for example 2017-18) that get smoothed out of the data | 20:57 |
| withorwithout | that's the problem with averaging | 20:57 |
| Arsanerit | Why is excess death rate noisy? | 20:57 |
| Arsanerit | I thought bad flu seasons killed far, far less than covid-19. | 20:58 |
| withorwithout | Arsanerit: it killed less, not sure if that far less, that depends on the actual country. So I guess that for Germany is probably not that different than a bad flu season (still have to see that, it's soon), but for Italy, having their hospitals overly saturated it's worse, and so on | 20:59 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, but putting exact numbers on excess deaths based on an average implies a level of certainty that you don't really have. | 20:59 |
| withorwithout | I meant, flu killed less | 20:59 |
| tinwhiskers | 2017 and 2018 were very high flu years compared to the average | 20:59 |
| tinwhiskers | or was that 2018, 2019? I forget now. | 21:00 |
| withorwithout | I think it is 17-18, not sure | 21:00 |
| LjL | whytek, sure, unless they're doing this because it turns out getting a COVID infection is about as bad for you, long term, as going to Vietnam | 21:01 |
| tinwhiskers | nevertheless when the excess death is something like 50% that's vastly over what you would expect. If it's down around 6% though then you could just be looking at noise. | 21:01 |
| Arsanerit | withorwithout: I can see that there is probably a significant uncertainty on Germany's 3%, and that the difference between 61% and 60% is not significant, but I'd think that the difference between 60% (Belgium, Spain), 29% (Switzerland) and 3% (Germany) should be significant against the background of any normal seasonal noise. | 21:03 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, the netherlands is doing pretty badly... but Spain, Italy and France are also much more populated countries | 21:03 |
| withorwithout | I would even expect that it's even less severe for asian countries, in terms of excess deaths, but just guessing | 21:03 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: What's wrong with going to Vietnam? Now is not the time for international travel but AFAIK they've handled the pandemic rather well. | 21:03 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, ... i mean as in going to *war* in Vietnam, since that was the context | 21:04 |
| Arsanerit | Oh. | 21:04 |
| Arsanerit | Good there has been no war in Vietnam since a while :) | 21:04 |
| withorwithout | Arsanerit: the question is how much more is it compared to a bad (worst?) flu-season, if you compare to that 17-18 (or 18-19?) one, it is not 60% (of course) | 21:04 |
| tinwhiskers | I would likely have been in Vietnam right now if not for covid-19 | 21:04 |
| Arsanerit | I would find it interesting that you'd choose Vietnam for that, rather than Libya or Syria or Yemen or another country /currently/ at war. | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1863 cases (now 3.9 million), +168 deaths (now 269066) since 22 minutes ago — Wisconsin, US: +314 cases (now 9215), +12 deaths (now 374) since a day ago — US: +1732 cases (now 1.3 million), +166 deaths (now 76267) since 22 minutes ago — Michigan, US: +592 cases (now 45646), +93 deaths (now 4343) since a day ago | 21:06 |
| withorwithout | even so, given that strict social distance measures were taken in most countries, so not even then can be that easily compared to a bad flu season | 21:06 |
| tinwhiskers | This link shows how high above average the 2018, 2018 years were and explains it all pretty well: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries | 21:06 |
| Arsanerit | of course going to a warzone is worse than the covid-19 pandemic | 21:07 |
| tinwhiskers | err, 2017, 2018 | 21:07 |
| withorwithout | tinwhiskers: nice, thanks | 21:07 |
| Arsanerit | during WW II many (German) soldiers tried to feign being sick to avoid being sent to the front, it would not surprise me if some did get actually sick on purpose | 21:08 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, *i* didn't choose it | 21:08 |
| LjL | read the scrollback ffs | 21:08 |
| LjL | <whytek> LjL, that military stuff makes me think about Vietnam. Imagine if getting infected with covid19 could have saved oyu from getting sent to | 21:08 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: I didn't mean you personally. | 21:08 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: My apologies. | 21:08 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, well nobody in the US is technically *forced* to go to war in Libya or Syria or Yemen. if they go it's because they have enrolled in the military. the Vietnam example comes from the fact that people were drafted. | 21:09 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Ah, that is (1) a while ago and (2) US-specific | 21:10 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, so is the military document that we were discussing | 21:10 |
| Arsanerit | Maybe French soldiers were drafted to be sent to Vietnam | 21:10 |
| LjL | definitely US-specific | 21:10 |
| tinwhiskers | I assume someone mentioned that the US now has more deaths from covid-19 than from the vietnam war? | 21:10 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: Aha. | 21:10 |
| LjL | it stems from this article i posted https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/coronavirus-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/ | 21:10 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, right | 21:11 |
| Arsanerit | Ok. | 21:11 |
| tinwhiskers | then my factoid is not wasting space! | 21:11 |
| tinwhiskers | factoid #2: factoid is a stupid word | 21:12 |
| LjL | heh | 21:17 |
| bin_bash | agreed | 21:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Chad: +83 cases (now 253), +10 deaths (now 27) since 2 days ago — Tennessee, US: +158 cases (now 14096) since 23 hours ago — Sri Lanka: +18 cases (now 823) since an hour ago — World: +865 cases (now 3.9 million), +33 deaths (now 269099) since 16 minutes ago | 21:21 |
| rmonten[m] | Arsanerit: thanks for the FT link! Careful to compare between countries though. For example Germany's excess deaths up to April 5 are reported as opposed to April 24 for the UK. A lot happened in those weeks. | 21:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Britain comes together to clap for carers on Covid frontline → https://is.gd/3HngR7 | 21:27 |
| rmonten[m] | Also about NL & BE being hit hard in comparison to Spain and Italy: definitely true, but they're also notably smaller countries. It seems that the virus is spread throughout the whole of NL and BE, whereas in Spain and Italy some regions are effected a lot harder than others, averaging out to the same. | 21:27 |
| rmonten[m] | So ICU units in Lombardy & New York can be overwhelmed even if Italy's are the US's numbers are better than Belgium's. | 21:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:28 UTC: (news): Parts of Asia that relaxed restrictions without a resurgence in coronavirus cases did these three things → https://is.gd/9sUy3Q | 21:34 |
| LjL | rmonten[m], yes, only a few people (i think less than 100 in total, but they've stopped having press conferences where they report these numbers so not sure now) have been transferred from ICUs in Lombardy to ICUs in other regions | 21:35 |
| LjL | in fact a fair amount of people were transferred to Germany instead | 21:35 |
| LjL | almost seems like it's easier for a northern italian COVID patient to be accepted by Germany than by other Italian regions | 21:35 |
| LjL | i don't think this will particularly improve north-south relations within Italy | 21:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uzbekistan: +29 cases (now 2298) since 5 hours ago — World: +48 cases (now 3.9 million) since 18 minutes ago — Mali: +19 cases (now 650) since a day ago | 21:36 |
| rmonten[m] | LjL: Unfortunate, finally the Lega had accepted southern Italians and started blaming those further south, now this... | 21:39 |
| rmonten[m] | (at least according to my limited knowledge of Italian politics) | 21:39 |
| dzho | LjL: the output for New York now is looking much better thanks | 21:40 |
| Butterfly^ | https://imgur.com/gallery/CYrGK1Y Getting close to Trump | 21:40 |
| dzho | eg, 18:08 <@Brainstorm> Updates for World: +3543 cases (now 3.9 million), +214 deaths (now 268605) since 22 minutes ago — US: +3520 cases (now 1.3 million), +213 deaths (now 76052) since 22 minutes ago — Aruba: +1 deaths (now 3) since a day ago — New York, US: +3520 cases (now 337011), +172 deaths (now 26359) since 2 hours ago | 21:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:34 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Madrid public health director resigns in protest at lockdown easing: Russia overtakes Germany and France after record rise in cases; international tourism to plunge 80%; France to keep borders closed until 15 June → https://is.gd/CvYirg | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3877 cases (now 3.9 million), +110 deaths (now 269209) since 22 minutes ago — Peru: +3709 cases (now 58526), +94 deaths (now 1627) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +160 cases (now 169175), +15 deaths (now 7357) since an hour ago — Maldives: +1 deaths (now 3) since 46 minutes ago | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +3000 cases (now 1.3 million), +160 deaths (now 76450) since 48 minutes ago — Illinois, US: +2641 cases (now 70873), +137 deaths (now 3111) since a day ago — World: +3071 cases (now 3.9 million), +162 deaths (now 269371) since 20 minutes ago — Georgia (US), US: +29 cases (now 31468), +4 deaths (now 1340) since 48 minutes ago | 22:06 |
| Butterfly^ | https://imgur.com/gallery/3Sfz3yD Why does the US have so many coronavirus cases? | 22:11 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Frontier Airline gets rid of $39 “Social Distancing Upgrade” after heavy criticism. (10061 votes) | https://redd.it/gf790b | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Massachusetts, US: +1696 cases (now 73721), +132 deaths (now 4552) since 22 hours ago — Connecticut, US: +789 cases (now 31784), +79 deaths (now 2797) since a day ago — California, US: +488 cases (now 61123), +11 deaths (now 2473) since 13 hours ago — World: +3008 cases (now 3.9 million), +245 deaths (now 269616) since 27 minutes ago | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:10 UTC: Trump says coronavirus tests are 'overrated,' but he will get tested daily: The new daily testing policy for the president and the people in his circle comes hours after the White House acknowledged that a personal valet for Trump tested positive for Covid-19. → https://is.gd/GTGdt5 | 22:23 |
| pyna | oh looks like questioning the death toll numbers is the latest trumpworld idea, might be an uptick in people yelling about the bot | 22:27 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | i've seen it increasing for at least a week, maybe two. | 22:27 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | the cdc release clarifying reporting guidelines really riled them up too. | 22:28 |
| NoImNotNineVolt | the rt-pcr tests are indeed overrated, though. | 22:28 |
| pyna | yeah definitely not out of the blue, but looks to be ramping up as they try to justify the latest round of very stable geniusing | 22:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:12 UTC: Justice department moves to drop charges against Trump's former national security adviser Michael Flynn - live: Court filing obtained by AP comes after Trump signals interest in pardoning Flynn Personal valet to Trump test positive for coronavirus House announces task force to investigate ‘China’s cover-up’ [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QWnbQf | 22:30 |
| user______ | pyna: its all the WHO's fault in MAGA-brain time | 22:33 |
| Butterfly^ | https://imgur.com/gallery/XlHqsSm Tariffs are bad, M'kay? | 22:35 |
| pyna | they're only bad if you insist on having any idea of what they are | 22:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:39 UTC: (news): Parts of Asia that relaxed restrictions without a resurgence in coronavirus cases did these three things → https://is.gd/9sUy3Q | 22:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Carolina, US: +206 cases (now 7142), +11 deaths (now 316) since 23 hours ago — World: +780 cases (now 3.9 million), +24 deaths (now 269640) since 33 minutes ago — US: +553 cases (now 1.3 million), +20 deaths (now 76692) since 33 minutes ago — Texas, US: +188 cases (now 35907), +3 deaths (now 1014) since 3 hours ago | 22:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:53 UTC: Biden sexual assault accuser Tara Reade calls on him to drop out of 2020 race – live: Reade sat down with Megyn Kelly for on-camera interview Personal valet to Trump test positive for coronavirus House announces task force to investigate ‘China’s cover-up’ Trump shelves CDC’s reopening guidelines for being [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QWnbQf | 22:58 |
| metreo | Has anyone been tracking this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23099499 | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:01 UTC: Cargo carriers reap rewards of coronavirus chaos: Cargo carriers have become a hot corner of the airline industry as airlines idle planes to face the coronavirus pandemic → https://is.gd/kvQDnG | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Niger: +11 cases (now 781), +4 deaths (now 42) since 23 hours ago — World: +27 cases (now 3.9 million), +5 deaths (now 269645) since 19 minutes ago — US: +16 cases (now 1.3 million), +1 deaths (now 76693) since 19 minutes ago — California, US: +16 cases (now 61139), +1 deaths (now 2474) since 48 minutes ago | 23:07 |
| Butterfly^ | https://www.salon.com/2020/05/07/woman-who-accused-dr-anthony-fauci-of-sexual-assault-now-claims-trump-supporters-paid-her-to-lie_partner/ Woman who accused Dr. Anthony Fauci of sexual assault now claims Trump supporters paid her to lie | 23:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:09 UTC: Biden sexual assault accuser Tara Reade calls on him to drop out of 2020 race – live: Reade sat down with Megyn Kelly for on-camera interview Personal valet to Trump test positive for coronavirus House announces task force to investigate ‘China’s cover-up’ Trump shelves CDC’s reopening guidelines for being [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QWnbQf | 23:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:18 UTC: (news): California identifies nail salons as source of coronavirus community spread, Gov. Newsom says → https://is.gd/MBUiea | 23:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: 'Somebody was stupid' – Trump continues to push Wuhan lab theory → https://is.gd/CvYirg | 23:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5135 cases (now 3.9 million), +476 deaths (now 270121) since 43 minutes ago — Japan: +224 cases (now 15477), +21 deaths (now 577) since a day ago — Brazil: +4712 cases (now 132367), +445 deaths (now 9054) since 4 hours ago — US: +59 cases (now 1.3 million) since 43 minutes ago | 23:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:36 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Scott Gottlieb, MD su Twitter: "Another way of looking at falling covid19 positivity rate across the country. Daily tests are rising, positive cases remaining largely flat, and the positivity rate declining. We're testing more to find same number of cases, suggesting that density of epidemic may be [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/MTEAWP | 23:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:37 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: 'Somebody was stupid' – Trump continues to push Wuhan lab theory → https://is.gd/CvYirg | 23:47 |
| iz | unintentional irony there, i'm sure | 23:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +115 cases (now 1.3 million), +30 deaths (now 76723) since 18 minutes ago — Sao Tome and Principe: +13 cases (now 187), +1 deaths (now 4) since a day ago — Texas, US: +17 cases (now 35928) since 18 minutes ago — Guinea-Bissau: +89 cases (now 564) since a day ago | 23:52 |
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