libera/##covid-19/ Saturday, 2020-05-09

tinwhiskersbellefleur: the study was conducted by french researchers, not chinese so probably not chinese propaganda and more likely just bad reporting. The biorxiv link is no longer valid.00:00
tinwhiskersMaybe it was withdrawn or maybe it was published and removed from biorxiv since it was no longer a preprint (??) - not sure if that happens or not. I'm guessing it was withdrawn.00:01
bellefleurplenty of researchers, universities, and media corporations receive a lot of chinese yuan00:02
rager"came from France... in February"00:02
ragerlol00:02
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tinwhiskersthe french researchers probably saw the glittering lights of scientific fame and fortune and lost sight of reality :-)00:03
ragerearly in France is still late compared to China00:03
ragerwell, darn00:03
ragerI guess that means everyone else is gonna open the offices again00:03
tinwhiskersbellefleur: so now you're suggesting a wolrdwide conspiracy of researchers working for the chinese government to downplay the chinese origin even though the chinese openly say it originated there?00:04
tinwhiskersThey only dispute that it was engineered or came from a lab, not that it arose there.00:05
bellefleuri'm not suggesting anything. i'm stating a fact.00:05
bin_bashtinwhiskers: except that they tried saying the US military brought it there, and that propaganda is still ongoing in china.00:05
tinwhiskersbin_bash: yes, they said that the day after trumps accusations as a reprisal. That was just silly politics. They don't dispute the virus originated in china in reality.00:06
bellefleurwhat?00:06
bin_bashtinwhiskers: no, the USA-virus thing is still ongoing 00:07
bellefleurtrump called it the wuhan virus which is accurate. and it's been used for german measles, ebola fever, spanish flu, etc.00:07
tinwhiskersshow some chinese research that shows anything other than a wuhan origin00:07
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bin_bashtinwhiskers: i'm talking about propaganda machines, not respectable scientists00:09
tinwhiskersyes, there is some silly tit-for-tat political games going on. There is no real dispute that it arose in china.00:09
bin_bashyeah, i was just agreeing with what bellefleur said about not being surprised if someone started "it came from france" propaganda00:10
tinwhiskersyou agree that the french researchers are part of the chinese propaganda machine?00:10
LjLto be fair, france harbors tens of millions of diseases00:10
tinwhiskerslol00:10
bin_bashwhat no00:10
bin_bashi agree that it wouldn't surprise me if there started to be chinese propaganda about the virus starting in france00:11
bin_bashnot that scientists in france would start propaganda00:11
bin_bashmaybe i misread 00:11
tinwhiskersThat arose from french research00:11
bellefleuryou didn't misread00:11
bellefleurtinwhiskers is conflating my comment, possibly intentionally or maybe from confusion.00:11
tinwhiskersI said the research came from france and bellefleur replied: "plenty of researchers, universities, and media corporations receive a lot of chinese yuan" - the implication is very clear.00:12
LjLbellefleur, hasn't it been mentioned before that "spanish flu" is by all accounts NOT accurate, by the way, and shows in fact that in hindsight, it was really not a good idea to name it after a country?00:12
bin_bashi didn't see that comment00:13
bin_bashi was referring to this one00:13
bin_bash<bellefleur> it would not surprise me if a lot of "the virus actually began in a small town in france" type bs is chinese born propaganda00:13
RozoghinLjL: probably was the Kansas Flu 00:13
bellefleurspanish flu doesn't capture the origin, but refers to where it was reported about initially00:14
RozoghinKansas Military Base Flu00:14
bellefleuri don't mind geographic naming of diseases00:14
bellefleurand nobody else did either until the wuhan flu00:14
bellefleursuddenly everyone became very sensitive about attaching a geographic place to a disease00:14
bellefleurzomg, how dare you say that??!00:14
bellefleur:)00:14
LjLbellefleur, actually, WHO guidelines frowned upon it *before* the "Wuhan flu"00:15
bellefleuryou know how much i care about WHO?00:15
LjLso unless the WHO knew about COVID years before it happened... which i wouldn't even be surprised if you believed...00:15
tinwhiskerscue the "WHO is in the pocket of the chinese" lines.00:15
LjLbellefleur, well, they are the ones who get to name diseases, and they are the reason why this one isn't named after Wuhan00:15
LjLso it is irrelevant how much you care, insofar as it is relevant to the issue at hand00:16
Rozoghinalso don't call  Hurricanes only by woman's names anymore00:17
bellefleurdiseases get named by lots of places.00:17
LjLDuring the initial outbreak in Wuhan, China, the virus and disease were commonly referred to as "coronavirus" and "Wuhan coronavirus",[295][296][297] with the disease sometimes called "Wuhan pneumonia".[298][299] In the past, many diseases have been named after geographical locations, such as the Spanish flu,[300] Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, and Zika virus.[301]00:17
LjLIn January 2020, the World Health Organisation recommended 2019-nCov[302] and 2019-nCoV acute respiratory disease[303] as interim names for the virus and disease per 2015 guidance and international guidelines against using geographical locations (e.g. Wuhan, China), animal species or groups of people in disease and virus names to prevent social stigma.[304][305][306] 00:17
bellefleuroften, eponymously named diseases come from specific country's CDC's00:18
tinwhiskersyes, and it causes all sorts of racism and xenophobia so they decided to stop doing that00:18
LjLi'm sure you understand how 2015 guidance is relevant to 2020, and also, how it is compatible with previous diseases *having* been named after places00:18
Rozoghinbellefleur: don't worry Mexico will pay the $400 million to paint the wall  black 00:18
bin_bashchina lied and thousands died00:19
bellefleuryeah, we have many instances of WHO doing China's bidding.00:19
tinwhiskersjesus00:19
bellefleurI am not surprised that in this case WHO recommended against associating COVID with China00:19
LjLi feel like doing a mass quiet00:19
LjLi'll start with this one though. blatant disregard for the information i just posted, and continued allegations that are incompatible with that00:20
ubLXItinwhiskers: i joined just as you posted that rfi link. were you frustrated by its having disappeared from biorxiv? i mean, do you want a copy of that pre-print?00:22
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tinwhiskersubLXI: I was more wondering why it might have disappeared00:24
ubLXIoh well. i only skimmed it glancingly so i can't even say if there was anything obviously ridiculous about it.00:25
tinwhiskersubLXI: do you happen to know if, when papers are plublished they are removed from the pre-print servers, or any alternative reasons they are removed besides being withdrawn?00:25
tinwhiskersI think I prefer plublished to published now that I look at it.00:26
LjLi like them when they're lished at a pub00:27
tinwhiskerspubs... I remember those.00:28
ubLXIafter a skim, the paper itself seemed to claim only that their analysis demonstrated only that silent community transmission had occurred earlier than expected. ie, they made no suggestion of origin outside china00:28
tinwhiskersubLXI: figured. thanks.00:28
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ubLXIit was the rfi page that spun it that way, as far as i could see00:28
tinwhiskersok00:29
ubLXIwrt removing pre-prints just because they were published: i have no idea, but i wouldn't guess so00:29
ubLXImaybe they pulled it themselves because they didn't want to be associated with a ridiculous furore00:29
tinwhiskersthat's my feeling as well. I could easily enough check that I guess by finding one that made it to publication and see if it still exists in preprint00:30
tinwhiskersperhaps00:30
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BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:40 UTC: /u/slakmehl: AP Exclusive: Top White House officials buried CDC report → https://is.gd/mZHUkA00:45
LjLmildly interesting https://www.businessinsider.com/people-vintage-mask-ads-spanish-flu-1918-pandemic-2020-5?IR=T#people-want-to-wear-something-that-fits-their-personal-identity-as-the-atlantic-reports-1200:49
LjLwell i didn't mean to link to that particular section00:49
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:49 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Republicans stall on next relief bill, United Airlines halts $2.25 billion bond offering → https://is.gd/MRYxHe00:52
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_abc_https://imgur.com/gallery/ag0V9Mp00:58
ubLXItinwhiskers: apparently it wasn't removed. v1 at the end of the url changed to v2 - https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.059576v200:59
LjL_abc_, please non memes / joke posts / jokes followed by memes / etc... sorry if that seems overly serious but it's a schlippery schlope01:02
_abc_Sure. Sorry.01:02
BrainstormNew from The Lancet at 00:00 UTC: [Perspectives] Celebrating Florence Nightingale's bicentenary: For the many admirers of Florence Nightingale (1820–1910), the bicentenary of her birth on May 12, 2020, has been long anticipated. Few of us could have foreseen that this birthday would come at a time when a swathe of new temporary hospitals bearing her [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/0JfyEd01:06
nixonixhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-who-apps/who-readies-coronavirus-app-for-checking-symptoms-possibly-contact-tracing-idUSKBN22K2QV01:06
nixonixand talked to smartphone operating system makers Apple Inc and Google about possibly adopting technology the companies plan to release jointly this month to make tracing easier. The technology relies on virtual “handshakes” between phones that come within a few feet of each other for at least five minutes. Phones keep anonymized logs of such encounters, allowing someone who later tests positive to anonymously send notifications to 01:07
nixonixrecent contacts about their possible exposure to the virus. 01:07
LjLnixonix, oh whew, if the WHO is going to solve the contact-tracing-app problem for all of us, considering the fragmented mess this is already becoming, there's... nothing that could go wrong with the WHO handling this!01:07
nixonixi think the first step is just a guidance app, but they are considering tracing too01:08
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LjLnixonix, the article talks about it being open source and stuff... if they use Google+Apple's API, then it cannot be *fully, purely* open source, or at least it cannot work on a phone that is (and not in all countries do Android phones typically come with the Google Play Services, including some hard-hit countries like Iran. or China!)01:11
nixonixmy tracing is listening for coughing. when i hear it, i dont stand my ground01:11
LjLGoogle+Apple basically went "oh, we like this decentralized tracking idea! we'll implement it ourselves... and also, now you must all use our own implementation"01:11
bin_bashwhat did you expect 01:14
LjLi had no particular expectations01:16
LjLi guess i *hoped* the API would be open source01:17
LjLat least the Google version01:17
LjLbut really, that would have meant making it part of AOSP, so, unlikely01:17
bin_bashbut it is open source i thought01:22
bin_bashit just uses their APIs01:22
bin_bashwhich... ofc it does01:23
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LjLbin_bash, the API, or specifically, the implementation behind those API, is not open source, and that's what is doing *all* the work01:34
LjLthe API we're talking about are not like "give me some more detailed BLE signal information"01:34
LjLor "let me run in the background while i do my job"01:34
LjLthe API are the entire contact tracing01:35
LjLan app that uses those API can be basically an empty shell01:35
LjLand the implementation of those API is inside the Google Play Services, which are proprietary01:35
LjLand contain a host of other things that are also proprietary, and awfully invasive privacy-wise01:35
LjLmost people have that already installed on their phones, of course, but some people who actually advocate for some reasonable amount of privacy don't, and that includes me. now in THIS situation "we" understand that a contact tracing mechanism is useful, and the decentralized system actually seemed clever enough... but if the implementation is not even open source, there's nothing to discuss for me. they can say it's something it isn't.01:36
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Akash[m]%india02:09
Akash[m]I forgot the command02:09
ubLXI%cases india02:13
BrainstormubLXI: In all areas, India, there have been 59693 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 1985 deaths (3.3% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 1.4 million tests were performed (4.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 10.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data.02:13
LjL%cases delhi02:14
BrainstormLjL: In Delhi, India, there have been 4549 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 64 deaths (1.4% of cases) as of 4 days ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Delhi for time series data.02:14
LjLindia needs to ramp up the testing a bit, they are currently testing about as much as italy02:18
LjLwith an only slightly larger population02:18
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:13 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Trump ‘not worried’ about White House Covid-19 spread as two staff test positive → https://is.gd/DtKJEY02:23
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LjLhave we seen https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2012410 yet?02:27
LjLnot quite a double blind placebo controlled trial or anything but still02:28
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 00:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Republicans stall on next relief bill, United Airlines halts $2.25 billion bond offering → https://is.gd/MRYxHe02:30
tinwhiskersThat link has not been posted here before. Thanks.02:30
tinwhiskers:-)02:31
dunnpnice02:32
dunnpwe are working to reopen labs - we have ppe for all the lab staff so probably starting at 1 person per 500 sq ft02:33
LjL%wa 500 square feet in square meters02:33
BrainstormLjL, Wolfram|Alpha (convert 500 ft^2 (square feet) to square meters): Result: 46.45 m^2 (square meters) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=500+square+feet+in+square+meters02:33
LjLthat's... pretty large02:33
tinwhiskers6.8 x 6.8 m - that is large!02:35
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Butterfly^https://twitter.com/i/events/125882736452126310402:53
Butterfly^White House staff test positive for COVID-1902:54
Butterfly^An aide to Vice President Mike Pence has tested positive for the coronavirus, according to White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany. On Thursday, President Trump told reporters staff will be tested daily after one of his valets tested positive for the virus.02:54
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BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:02 UTC: Coronavirus live news: global cases approach 4 million as US unemployment hits 14.7%: Trump says Covid-19 will ‘go away without a vaccine’; UK death toll passes 31,000; Russian cases top 10,000 for sixth consecutive day. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT03:12
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Butterfly^https://i.imgur.com/KcgOn5a.mp4  Experiment to demonstrate how germs spread using fluorescent paint03:26
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:13 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus live news Australia: Queensland records third day of zero new cases this week – latest update → https://is.gd/a8js7A03:26
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 01:59 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: The Three Phases of Coronavirus (COVID-19) and How to Approach Treatment | Remdesivir Update → https://is.gd/f7bLXC04:02
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:01 UTC: (news): Republicans stall on next coronavirus relief bill, United Airlines halts $2.25 billion bond offering → https://is.gd/MRYxHe04:09
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ryoumawhat is the prognosis for the usa?  months more of worsening for states that have lifted lockdowns?04:14
ryouma%data az04:14
Brainstormryouma: In Arizona, US, there have been 10526 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 517 deaths (4.9% of cases) as of 8 hours ago. 119907 tests were performed (8.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.04:14
Jigsy%cases UK04:15
BrainstormJigsy: In all areas, United Kingdom, there have been 211364 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 31241 deaths (14.8% of cases) as of 9 hours ago. 1.6 million tests were performed (13.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.04:16
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:04 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US lawmakers urge support for Taiwan's bid to join WHO: U.S. lawmakers are calling for support for Taiwan's inclusion in the World Health Organization as they urge nations to place the fight against the pandemic above politics, according to Reuters. → https://is.gd/ksnS8q04:16
ryoumainteresting!04:23
ryoumawhat was us position on that before?04:23
PlanckWalkSo ... US is calling on WHO to do stuff when they're pulling out of WHO.04:24
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PlanckWalkYeah, I think they lost any credibility to call on WHO to do anything at all.04:25
ryoumait migth niot be congress that you are thinking of04:25
PlanckWalkDoesn't really matter which internal bit of US it is04:26
ubLXIit does if you want to laugh heartily at the "above politics" part04:26
PlanckWalkHehe, true :)04:27
ubLXI"US suggests Taiwan be brought into the fold, on its merits"04:27
ubLXI"US suggests Taiwan be brought into the fold, to annoy China"04:27
ubLXIwhich one does your mind reach for first04:27
ryoumagiven taht taiwan haas 6 deaths my ind reaches for teh first.  but my mind is not the minds of politicians.04:29
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:14 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus live news Australia: 17th death at Newmarch House as Queensland records third day of zero new cases – latest update → https://is.gd/a8js7A04:30
mescalito1919Good evening.04:34
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:34 UTC: Coronavirus live news: global cases approach 4 million as US unemployment hits 14.7%: Trump says Covid-19 will ‘go away without a vaccine’; UK death toll passes 31,000; Russian cases top 10,000 for sixth consecutive day. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT04:44
izis the unemployment rate a percentage of all the population or just of.. somehow only the working population?04:48
Butterfly^https://i.imgur.com/qZjh2H8.jpg04:49
Butterfly^iz : 15% of america is unemployed right now, and that's just the number we know right now, cause the phonelines and websites to apply for unemployment have been overloaded like madness or crashing constantly cause of the huge amount of people trying to apply04:50
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Butterfly^iz : the phonelines and websites have been overloaded since somewhere in March, we're almost mid May and it's still happening, ... the actual number could be closer to 25% of peopel unemployed04:51
Butterfly^iz : the unemployment numbers should be the rate of people able to work, so people between 18yo and 65yo or something04:52
izso when they say the unemployment rate, you can just multiply that percentage by total population for a rough estimate of how many ppl?04:52
izah, okay04:52
Butterfly^while you also have to reduce it by those who have medical issues (paralyzed people, severe autism, down syndrome, ...)04:53
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izk, that's kinda what i suspected -- that it's not as simple as just starting w/ total population and taking that percentage04:54
Butterfly^iz : some of these people are still able to have a job somehow, but most of them are too severe to even get a job, so those shouldn't be included in "people who are able to work" and thus should not have an impact on unemployment rates much04:54
tinwhiskersFirst-time filings for unemployment insurance hit 3.17 million last week, bringing the total to 33.5 million over the past seven weeks, the Labor Department reported Thursday (May 7)04:55
tinwhiskershrm. that's not quite right either04:55
Butterfly^15% unemployed doesn't take into account those who are disabled04:57
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:54 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus live news Australia: 17th death at Newmarch House as Queensland records third day of zero new cases – latest update → https://is.gd/a8js7A04:58
Butterfly^and 15% unemployed, is quite likely vastly understated04:58
tinwhiskersAh. I see. 33.5 million jobless Americans made claims in the past seven weeks. So I guess there could be more unemployed who didn't make claims.04:58
JigsyFun fact: If you make a pentagram on the floor in a dark room using thighhigh socks and shout "ZETTAI RYOUIKI!," a Tsundere girl comes over and kicks you in the crotch.04:58
JigsyAh, wrong window.04:58
JigsyTotally ignore that..04:58
JigsyThis window is in the place of a usual window for some reason.04:59
tinwhiskerslol04:59
Butterfly^tinwhiskers : about 50% of a population is in the 'working age', most are under 18yo, some margin is over 65yo and retired, 33 million unemployed in a country of 330 million people, that's 10% on itself04:59
JigsyDidn't even check the channel name.04:59
Butterfly^if you take into account that only 50% are in the 'working age group', that's closer to 20% unemployed05:00
tinwhiskersyeah05:00
tinwhiskersIn March, the official unemployment rate in the US was 4.4%, close to a 50-year low, but economists predict it could now be as high as 20%, a level unseen since the 1930s Great Depression.05:00
Butterfly^keep in mind, the phonelines and websites to apply for unemployment status have been overloaded and crashing since around mid March05:01
Butterfly^and it's still happening today05:01
tinwhiskershrm. right05:02
Butterfly^the actual number is quite likely much higher, it could be almost double that05:02
JigsyI wonder what the UK unemployment rate will be.05:02
Butterfly^this is what happens when a country has no safety nets05:02
Butterfly^also keep in mind, that's 50 million people, of which most lost their healthcare coverage, as lots of americans have their healthcare through their jobs05:03
Butterfly^and even a single job, often supplies for healthcare coverage of the entire family, with an average of 2 kids / family, that means twice as many people lost healthcare05:04
Butterfly^100 million people who lost healthcare05:04
Butterfly^(i'm using worst case scenario numbers, but these numbers could be closer to the truth than we think right now, in a few months, we'll know more)05:04
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:02 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US lawmakers urge support for Taiwan's bid to join WHO: U.S. lawmakers are calling for support for Taiwan's inclusion in the World Health Organization as they urge nations to place the fight against the pandemic above politics, according to Reuters. → https://is.gd/ksnS8q05:05
Butterfly^literally half of america could currently be without healthcare coverage05:05
BrainstormUpdates for Alberta, Canada: +81 cases (now 6098), +1 deaths (now 115) since a day ago — Manitoba, Canada: +1 cases (now 284) since a day ago — New South Wales, Australia: +4 cases (now 3051) since a day ago — Australia: +9 cases (now 6927) since 23 minutes ago05:05
Butterfly^https://imgur.com/gallery/wgKDapX  look at this post, look at the kind of politicians the world once had, look at some of the epic knowledge some people had even decades ago, look how far we've sunk, while so many people knew better and knew we were heading into disaster05:07
Butterfly^https://youtu.be/PD9XWTbbSGA Title: Timeline: Trump's Coronavirus Response05:08
Butterfly^this one alone says a whole lot, this was 25 years ago, he's been dead since 1996, literally barely a year after he published this quote, and it sums up the problems of the world, the problems we're having right now, extremely clearly05:10
Butterfly^"I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time - when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set 05:10
Butterfly^their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness. The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay fo substantive content in the enormously 05:10
Butterfly^influential media, the 30-second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance." - Carl Sagan [1995]05:10
tinwhiskersJigsy: it looks like UK data is much more sporadic. It was at about 4% just prior to the pandemic and was estimated to be at about 10% in Feb but I don't see any more recent data.05:10
Butterfly^tinwhiskers : UK data is bullshit05:11
Butterfly^tinwhiskers : UK is barely counting ANY deaths in retirement homes or deaths that happen at home, they have a 10000 increase in 'excessive deaths' compared to last several years numbers, while not even half of them are counted as corona or corona related deaths05:12
tinwhiskersI'm talking about unemployment data05:12
Butterfly^UK has a shitload of zero hour contracts05:12
Butterfly^that fucks up data a shitload on unemployment05:13
Butterfly^what good is a zero hour contract, if you can barely feed your cat on the income you're having while you're starving and can't pay your rent?05:13
tinwhiskerswell, ok... the relative change here is what's important but, yes nothing is that simple.05:13
tinwhiskersI didn't mean to start you on another rant... :-/05:14
Butterfly^i'm not trying to rent05:14
Butterfly^rant*05:14
Butterfly^i'm being brutally honest with the knowledge i have05:14
Butterfly^i have been researching this for months, excessively05:15
tinwhiskersthe data we have is what we have. there's always complexities involved but it's better than nothing.05:15
tinwhiskerswow... researching it for months...05:15
Butterfly^we also know the data of some countries is absolute fucking bullshit05:15
Butterfly^even UK media is talking about this daily, that they're vastly reporting any corona deaths05:16
Butterfly^for weeks05:16
tinwhiskersthat's what every nutjob I've ever spoken to says to back up their theories - I'm not saying you're a nutjob (you are correct) but you should quit that particular claim to authority05:16
Butterfly^tinwhiskers ; in late December i made the prediction that this was going to fuck up the world in a big time05:16
Butterfly^i can find the logs if you need proof05:16
tinwhiskersI am not disputing you at all Butterfly^05:17
Butterfly^i'm slightly on the asperger scale (diagnosed), which in a way, helps me to me so focused on things, and it's why i'm doing so much research into things05:18
tinwhiskersit also blinds you to other things I guess05:18
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:06 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus live news Australia: 17th death at Newmarch House as Queensland records third day of zero new cases – latest update → https://is.gd/a8js7A05:19
Butterfly^i'm focused on research, i'm not blind05:19
Butterfly^i love to be proven wrong05:19
Butterfly^if i'm wrong on things, i'm extremely happy if someone corrects me, and i'll change my view05:19
tinwhiskersappeal to authority based on "I've been researching it" is a fallacy you're apparently blind to05:20
Butterfly^tinwhiskers ; https://i.imgur.com/iWQcIBb.jpg05:20
BrainstormUpdates for District of Columbia, US: +245 cases (now 5899), +19 deaths (now 304) since a day ago — Guam: +2 cases (now 151) since 2 days ago05:20
Butterfly^tinwhiskers : anyone who proves me wrong, i see as education, and it'll be a benefit05:21
tinwhiskersok05:21
Butterfly^i've changed my point of view a lot of times, based on new sources or people who were either able to prove their point of view with sources, or just convince me with solid logic05:22
tinwhiskers...05:22
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:23 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US lawmakers urge support for Taiwan's bid to join WHO: U.S. lawmakers are calling for support for Taiwan's inclusion in the World Health Organization as they urge nations to place the fight against the pandemic above politics, according to Reuters. → https://is.gd/ksnS8q05:26
tinwhiskersButterfly^: well ok, so Jigsy was interested in UK unemployment changes due to covid. enlighten us with your data that is free of the vagaries of the official data. 05:27
Butterfly^UK's data is quite unreliable05:32
Butterfly^UK has been known to fuck with data for years05:32
tinwhiskershow would you propose one takes a look at these changes without relying on the official data that is "bullshit". Do we just not ask that question at all?05:32
Butterfly^https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/home-office-100-gdpr-breaches-eu/   Home Office Admits 100 GDPR Breaches in EU Scheme05:32
Butterfly^https://diginomica.com/impact-gdpr-160000-breach-notifications-europe-and-eu114m-fines  05:32
Butterfly^The impact of GDPR - 160,000 breach notifications in Europe and €114m in fines05:32
tinwhiskersI don't see how just throwing your hands in the air and saying everything is bullshit is at all constructive05:32
tinwhiskershow about trying to be constructive? Any ideas?05:33
Butterfly^UK also illegally downloaded and stored EU data 05:33
tinwhiskersok... but... constructive05:33
tinwhiskershow would you approach the question? 05:33
Butterfly^the only constructive thing i can say about UK, is that it's soon going to get the wakeup call it should've had years ago05:34
Butterfly^and hopefully that'll have an impact on the future05:34
ryoumawhat do you think about usa05:34
tinwhiskersumm... so you have no idea how to answer the question then?05:34
Butterfly^a bit of the same, Trump was the wakeup call that america needed05:34
Butterfly^https://i.imgur.com/qZjh2H8.jpg05:35
Butterfly^sometimes, burning down a forest, will let nature thrive, Trump surely did his best to burn down america, so maybe after this, it has a chance to thrive again05:35
tinwhiskersjesus christ. get a grip of yourself. spewing memes and calling everything bullshit is the sum of your "months of research"?05:35
Butterfly^tinwhiskers : years05:36
tinwhiskersare you not able to rationally approach a question without making a diversion?05:36
Butterfly^which question did i not answer clearly enough?05:36
Butterfly^ask it again, and i'll try to explain it better05:36
tinwhiskersWhat has the effect of covid-19 been on unemployment rates in the UK?05:37
Butterfly^a bit less than the US, but still one of the worst hit unemployment rates in Europe due to corona05:37
tinwhiskersbased on what evidence?05:37
tinwhiskersare you using a source of data for this?05:38
Butterfly^while UK also has a bunch of 'zero hour contracts', which fuck up data on unemployment rates05:38
tinwhiskersyeah...05:38
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:31 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US State Department embarks on reopening; magician dies from virus: Legendary magician Roy Horn, who was part of the famous entertainment duo Siegfried & Roy, has died from Covid-19 complications, NBC News reported → https://is.gd/ksnS8q05:38
Butterfly^https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/may/07/uk-economy-to-shrink-by-25-percent-and-unemployment-to-double-warns-bank-of-england-coronavirus05:39
Butterfly^UK unemployment to double and economy to shrink by 14%, warns Bank of England05:39
Butterfly^there's plenty of sources that claim similar things05:39
tinwhiskersyes, so that's the very article I was quoting from. But you called it bullshit.05:39
tinwhiskersso it's ok now?05:39
Butterfly^i'm just stating my opinion based on the 1000's or articles i've read, if you think i'm wrong? feel free to find sources that either back my claim or go totally against my claim, i'd be happy to be proven wrong if provided with some facts or critical thinking05:40
tinwhiskersjesus christ05:40
Butterfly^i literally just copy/pasted the first article i could find 05:41
tinwhiskersright. me too. 05:41
tinwhiskersbut you just came back saying all the UK data was bullshit when *I* pasted it05:41
Butterfly^there's 100's more that say the same kinda stuff05:41
Butterfly^https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2019/08/08/britain-to-build-300ft-fan-for-shit-to-hit/  This pretty much sums up how great brexit preparation is going in UK.05:42
tinwhiskerslol05:42
Butterfly^i know, it's satire, but going by what's been happening in UK gov lately, it almost is believable05:43
tinwhiskerssure, I was laughing at the satire.05:43
Butterfly^i literally wouldn't be surprised if Boris would build such a fan05:43
Butterfly^https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/18/bridge-940m-bill-boris-johnsons-mayora-vanity-projects-garden-bridge-routemaster-bus   By the busload: £940m bill for Boris Johnson's mayoral 'vanity projects' 05:44
Butterfly^Boris has been fired from several jobs for spreading lies and bullshit05:44
Butterfly^and he wasted a billion of bucks (just those listed on this page) on vanity projects, some of them were never even built05:45
tinwhiskersyou're just making noise here Butterfly^05:45
Butterfly^"when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers" -Socrates05:45
Butterfly^debate me05:46
tinwhiskerslol05:46
tinwhiskerswtf05:46
Butterfly^i love a good debate, but once you go to personal attacks, you're not winning any arguments05:46
tinwhiskersThere really isn't anything to be gained here so I'm going to put my foot down as put an end to this noise, regardless of how you perceive that.05:47
Butterfly^giving up so easily?05:47
Butterfly^goodnight my friend05:47
tinwhiskersgoodnight05:47
BrainstormUpdates for Pakistan: +1039 cases (now 27474), +19 deaths (now 618) since 13 hours ago — World: +1039 cases (now 4.0 million), +19 deaths (now 276339) since 45 minutes ago05:50
NoSurprises.05:52
tinwhiskersNoSurprises: yeah, that about sums it up05:53
NoSurpriseshaha05:53
Butterfly^point taken05:53
NoSurprisesI sometimes  do a . to make sure i am still connected05:53
NoSurprisesButterfly^> point taken <- lol05:54
tinwhiskers:-)05:54
Butterfly^:)05:54
Butterfly^another response to a message like:05:54
Butterfly^.05:54
Butterfly^is something like: you make a very clear point!05:55
Butterfly^NoSurprises : in a way, i'm surprised it made you lol, i've been replying with this kinda messages on single dot messages for literally decades (about 25 years or so since i was on on IRC) :)05:56
NoSurprisesI thought it was a bit clever06:00
NoSurprisesI haven't heard someone say that before.06:01
Butterfly^i'm honestly surprised by that :)06:01
Butterfly^i've been using that response for at least 20 years :)06:01
Butterfly^not meaning this in a bad way, but it's great that even 20 year old replies are still new to some people :)06:02
NoSurpriseshaha06:03
Butterfly^and it made you lol, which is a huge bonus :)06:03
Butterfly^life can be a bitch, any smile or laugh is a bonus06:04
pynahere i am staring at diagrams of the DX7 envelope generator trying to intuitively understand it, for the nth time06:06
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:48 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus live news Australia: Evacuation flights for stranded Australians in India as some states ease restrictions – latest update → https://is.gd/a8js7A06:06
pynait must be friday night06:06
Butterfly^https://www.salon.com/2020/05/08/top-colorado-republican-orders-official-to-report-false-election-results-in-leaked-audio/  Top Colorado Republican orders official to report false election results in leaked audio06:07
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:15 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US State Department embarks on reopening; magician dies from virus: Legendary magician Roy Horn, who was part of the famous entertainment duo Siegfried & Roy, has died from Covid-19 complications, NBC News reported → https://is.gd/ksnS8q06:20
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:24 UTC: Coronavirus live news: global cases approach 4 million as US unemployment hits 14.7%: Trump says Covid-19 will ‘go away without a vaccine’; UK death toll passes 31,000; Russian cases top 10,000 for sixth consecutive day. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT06:35
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus at 04:25 UTC: Coronavirus: White House Misled Public, Buried CDC Reopening Guidelines and is Now Preparing for Second Coronavirus Wave → https://is.gd/tIVGdL06:42
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:39 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus live news Australia: evacuation flights for stranded Australians in India as some states ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest update → https://is.gd/a8js7A06:49
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:59 UTC: Coronavirus live news: global cases approach 4 million as US unemployment hits 14.7%: Trump says Covid-19 will ‘go away without a vaccine’; UK death toll passes 31,000; Russian cases top 10,000 for sixth consecutive day. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT07:03
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 05:13 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US State Department embarks on reopening; magician dies from virus: Legendary magician Roy Horn, who was part of the famous entertainment duo Siegfried & Roy, has died from Covid-19 complications, NBC News reported → https://is.gd/ksnS8q07:17
BrainstormUpdates for India: +70 cases (now 59765), +1 deaths (now 1986) since 4 hours ago — Uzbekistan: +11 cases (now 2336) since 12 hours ago — California, US: +368 cases (now 64475), +1 deaths (now 2628) since 4 hours ago — US: +378 cases (now 1.3 million), +1 deaths (now 78616) since 4 hours ago07:20
BrainstormUpdates for Hungary: +35 cases (now 3213), +13 deaths (now 405) since 14 hours ago — World: +35 cases (now 4.0 million), +13 deaths (now 276355) since 17 minutes ago07:35
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:26 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus live news Australia: evacuation flights for stranded citizens in India as some states ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest update → https://is.gd/a8js7A07:38
BrainstormUpdates for Bulgaria: +39 cases (now 1911), +2 deaths (now 88) since 14 hours ago — World: +39 cases (now 4.0 million), +2 deaths (now 276357) since 22 minutes ago07:51
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:00 UTC: Domestic violence: 'This is so wrong': Hollande highlights domestic violence in French lockdown → https://is.gd/CpUNVh08:06
BrainstormUpdates for Kyrgyzstan: +25 cases (now 931) since 15 hours ago — World: +25 cases (now 4.0 million) since 22 minutes ago08:06
ryouma%data tx08:18
Brainstormryouma: In Texas, US, there have been 37727 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 1079 deaths (2.9% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 477118 tests were performed (7.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.08:18
ryouma%data ny08:19
Brainstormryouma: In New York, US, there have been 340705 confirmed cases (1.7% of the population) and 26585 deaths (7.8% of cases) as of 6 hours ago. 1.1 million tests were performed (30.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.08:19
ryouma%data az08:19
Brainstormryouma: In Arizona, US, there have been 10526 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 517 deaths (4.9% of cases) as of 12 hours ago. 119907 tests were performed (8.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.08:19
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:15 UTC: Coronavirus live news: IMF warns of further drop in global growth: Trump says Covid-19 will ‘go away without a vaccine’; global cases approach 4 million; Russia curbs WW2 events over virus. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT08:27
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 06:31 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US State Department embarks on reopening; magician dies from virus: Legendary magician Roy Horn, who was part of the famous entertainment duo Siegfried & Roy, has died from Covid-19 complications, NBC News reported → https://is.gd/ksnS8q08:34
ryoumacan you find out whether the tests performed were on random sample vs. those who had symptoms?08:50
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:44 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus live news Australia: evacuation flights for stranded citizens in India as some states ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest update → https://is.gd/a8js7A08:55
BrainstormUpdates for Ukraine: +515 cases (now 14710), +15 deaths (now 376) since 16 hours ago — Kazakhstan: +88 cases (now 4922) since 13 hours ago — World: +607 cases (now 4.0 million), +15 deaths (now 276372) since an hour ago — Georgia: +3 cases (now 626) since 16 hours ago09:06
withorwithoutryouma: depends on the country, I guess. Countries flooded with cases are probably biased toward testing those with symptoms, to give an idea of this you can check the positive rate.09:07
pwr22Morning09:09
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:00 UTC: Young people: 'I'm losing my teenage years': young contend with life in lockdown → https://is.gd/LccwOu09:09
pwr22I just read something about the UK starting it's app again using a decentralised approach09:09
pwr22hopefully it's true09:09
withorwithoutpwr22: in the open?09:11
pwr22withorwithout: not sure what you mean09:12
withorwithoutis it an open source app? Or else it won't matter , imho09:13
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:13 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: US State Department embarks on reopening; magician dies from virus: Legendary magician Roy Horn, who was part of the famous entertainment duo Siegfried & Roy, has died from Covid-19 complications, NBC News reported → https://is.gd/ksnS8q09:16
BrainstormUpdates for Armenia: +146 cases (now 3175), +1 deaths (now 44) since 16 hours ago — World: +146 cases (now 4.0 million), +1 deaths (now 276373) since 18 minutes ago09:21
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:16 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China offers North Korea help; Russia's Victory Day celebrations pared back: Russia marks the 75th anniversary of Soviet victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two on Saturday, but the coronavirus outbreak means that celebrations have been pared back massively. → https://is.gd/ksnS8q09:23
BrainstormUpdates for Uganda: +13 cases (now 114) since a day ago — Singapore: +753 cases (now 22460) since 16 hours ago — Latvia: +2 cases (now 930) since 16 hours ago — World: +768 cases (now 4.0 million) since 19 minutes ago09:36
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:35 UTC: Coronavirus live news: IMF warns of further drop in global growth: Trump says Covid-19 will ‘go away without a vaccine’; global cases approach 4 million; Russia curbs WW2 events over virus. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT09:44
pwr22<withorwithout "is it an open source app? Or els"> I don't know but I think they've open sourced the centralised one10:04
pwr22https://www.ft.com/content/446df516-4ec5-4c06-b39f-dd89ea5f6f0b10:05
pwr22I think if they use the standard OS support then it will interop with other apps using it too?10:06
BrainstormUpdates for Russia: +10817 cases (now 198676), +104 deaths (now 1827) since 17 hours ago — Estonia: +8 cases (now 1733), +4 deaths (now 60) since 17 hours ago — World: +10825 cases (now 4.0 million), +108 deaths (now 276481) since 38 minutes ago10:06
pwr22> That stance contrasts with Ian Levy, technical director at GCHQ’s National Cyber Security Centre, who has been the lead advocate of a centralised system, writing a 4,000-word blog post about it on Monday. 10:11
pwr22Yeah sure, lets put the UK spying agency in charge of this 🙄10:11
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 08:09 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China offers North Korea help; Russia's Victory Day celebrations pared back: Russia marks the 75th anniversary of Soviet victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two on Saturday, but the coronavirus outbreak means that celebrations have been pared back massively. → https://is.gd/ksnS8q10:12
spectr0[m]%data ru10:18
Brainstormspectr0[m]: In Belgorod, Russia, there have been 485 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 5 deaths (1.0% of cases) as of 4 days ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 6.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgorod for time series data.10:18
spectr0[m]%cases RU10:19
Brainstormspectr0[m]: In Belgorod, Russia, there have been 485 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 5 deaths (1.0% of cases) as of 4 days ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 6.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgorod for time series data.10:19
BrainstormUpdates for Austria: +109 cases (now 15883), +1 deaths (now 615) since 17 hours ago — Philippines: +147 cases (now 10610), +8 deaths (now 704) since 17 hours ago — Lithuania: +8 cases (now 1444) since 17 hours ago — World: +264 cases (now 4.0 million), +9 deaths (now 276490) since 20 minutes ago10:21
Mistikunder%cases qc10:23
BrainstormMistikunder: Sorry, qc not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.10:23
Mistikunder%cases canada10:23
BrainstormMistikunder: In all areas, Canada, there have been 66434 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 4569 deaths (6.9% of cases) as of 8 hours ago. 1.0 million tests were performed (6.6% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 13.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data.10:23
euod[m]well that's dire when it has a percentage of population.10:24
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: China to update disease prevention and control systems in wake of coronavirus → https://is.gd/ylXQ5y10:33
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:33 UTC: Coronavirus live news: IMF warns of further drop in global growth: Trump says Covid-19 will ‘go away without a vaccine’; global cases approach 4 million; Russia curbs WW2 events over virus. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT10:47
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 08:44 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China offers North Korea help; Russia's Victory Day celebrations pared back: Russia marks the 75th anniversary of Soviet victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two on Saturday, but the coronavirus outbreak means that celebrations have been pared back massively. → https://is.gd/ksnS8q10:54
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:53 UTC: UK coronavirus live:  ministers plan 14-day quarantine for arrivals as garden centres set to reopen- latest updates: Travellers into UK will be quarantined for two weeks when they arrive as part of measures to prevent a second peak, Boris Johnson is expected to say. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/SRoKcG11:01
BrainstormUpdates for Indonesia: +533 cases (now 13645), +16 deaths (now 959) since 18 hours ago — Oman: +112 cases (now 3224), +1 deaths (now 17) since 18 hours ago — Bangladesh: +636 cases (now 13770), +8 deaths (now 214) since 18 hours ago — Poland: +144 cases (now 15510), +1 deaths (now 777) since 16 hours ago11:06
pwr22That's a restaurant in my city11:09
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 09:10 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus live news Australia: evacuation flights for stranded citizens in India as some states ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest update → https://is.gd/a8js7A11:15
BrainstormUpdates for Malawi: +13 cases (now 56) since 2 days ago — Belgium: +585 cases (now 52596), +60 deaths (now 8581) since 18 hours ago — World: +598 cases (now 4.0 million), +60 deaths (now 276577) since 18 minutes ago11:21
Biep[m]<Jigsy "This window is in the place of a"> If you draw a pentagram on the ground using thighhigh socks, but sneeze just when you want to invoke the girl, a Corona virus window will pop up, and kick you somewhere.11:22
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 09:19 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: China offers North Korea help; Russia's Victory Day celebrations pared back: Russia marks the 75th anniversary of Soviet victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two on Saturday, but the coronavirus outbreak means that celebrations have been pared back massively. → https://is.gd/ksnS8q11:22
aradeshUK confirmed coronavirus cases... if anything it's still increasing https://x0.at/2al.png11:25
pwr22Hmm, eyeballing it does still look slightly positive11:26
pwr22and it's definitely true we aren't "past" the peak11:26
aradeshyup.11:26
aradeshwhat a mess11:26
pwr22Ah well, I guess I'll get back to adding data persistence, daily updates and subscriptions to them to Cov Bot 11:27
aradeshhere is the graph for italy, what it SHOULD look like https://x0.at/2te.png11:27
aradeshgiven our graph, they're talking about relaxing the measures? wtf?11:27
aradeshwhat was the point of ANY LOCKDOWN at all?11:28
aradeshit just makes me shake my head in disbelief when i hear politicians going on about how well the'yre doing, how they're following the science, how they couldn't have done much better than they had, when their response has been demonstrably dreadful compared to other countries11:29
pwr22aradesh: I'm actually expecting things to go exponential again11:29
pwr22aradesh: thanks for sharing those graphs btw11:31
aradeshis it our culture that's the problem?11:32
aradeshboth UK and USA are having the same issue11:32
aradeshi think people just are too blasé11:32
aradeshperhaps other countries have a culture more aligned to following government guidelines 11:32
aradeshin the UK if there's a sign that says "don't walk on the grass" you walk on the grass11:33
aradeshlol11:33
aradeshmy dad takes it less seriously by the day. constantly sends me these emails about how it's so stupid and we should all go back to normal11:35
aradeshand a guy i follow on youtube is constantly like, "now we've all had the virus let's go back to normal."11:36
BrainstormUpdates for Afghanistan: +255 cases (now 4033), +6 deaths (now 115) since 18 hours ago — World: +255 cases (now 4.0 million), +6 deaths (now 276583) since 22 minutes ago11:37
pwr22UK is also much more population dense than the US too11:37
aradeshi ordered some masks and some gloves today, in case the govt. release the lockdown and i get sent back to work, which i commute to via train11:37
aradeshthinking maybe they'll say you can use public transport, but you must use masks and gloves11:37
pwr22I think I'll be allowed to wfh for the forseeable future11:37
aradeshlike in some other countries like czechia11:38
aradeshmaybe me too, but... i know my company has been building a big new office11:38
aradeshso i doubt they'll want us sitting at home when they have this sparkling new office11:38
pwr22Where did you get the masks btw?11:38
aradeshamazon11:38
aradeshthey'll take ages to come11:38
aradeshdisposable paper masks11:38
pwr22Ah, pricy with dodgy reviews?11:38
pwr22That's all I can find on there11:38
pwr22and yeah, being shipped from china I guess11:38
aradeshyeah a little... like £15 for 100 or something11:39
aradeshand maybe £4 delivery11:39
pwr22Ah, that's not terrible11:39
aradeshmaybe they'll be crap, but... at least if it's the rule that you have to wear them on the trains, i'll have some.11:39
aradeshactually maybe it was more like £20 for 5011:42
aradeshso a bit steep11:42
aradeshi was getting mixed up with the gloves11:44
BrainstormUpdates for Finland: +142 cases (now 5880), +5 deaths (now 265) since 19 hours ago — World: +143 cases (now 4.0 million), +5 deaths (now 276588) since 26 minutes ago — US: +1 cases (now 1.3 million) since 4 hours ago11:52
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 09:55 UTC: Australia news: Coronavirus live news Australia: evacuation flights for stranded citizens in India as some states ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest update → https://is.gd/a8js7A12:04
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 10:10 UTC: Coronavirus live news: IMF warns of further drop in global growth: Trump says Covid-19 will ‘go away without a vaccine’; global cases approach 4 million; Russia curbs WW2 events over virus. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT12:18
BrainstormUpdates for Romania: +320 cases (now 15131), +3 deaths (now 926) since 17 hours ago — Slovenia: +4 cases (now 1454), +1 deaths (now 101) since 19 hours ago — Ethiopia: +16 cases (now 210), +1 deaths (now 5) since 19 hours ago — Morocco: +162 cases (now 5873) since 17 hours ago12:22
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 10:25 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia's Victory Day celebrations pared back; Spain's daily virus death tolls falls: Russia marks the 75th anniversary of Soviet victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two on Saturday, but the coronavirus outbreak means that celebrations have been pared back massively. → https://is.gd/ksnS8q12:32
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 11:01 UTC: UK coronavirus live:  ministers plan 14-day quarantine for arrivals as garden centres set to reopen- latest updates: Travellers into UK will be quarantined for two weeks when they arrive as part of measures to prevent a second peak, Boris Johnson is expected to say. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/SRoKcG13:07
Biep[m]<aradesh "my dad takes it less seriously b"> Well, Sweden basically never went *off* normal.  They admit they should have locked down elderly homes, but apart from that they don't seem to do worse than other countries.  And they expect herd immunity a few weeks from now.13:13
Biep[m]!cases Sweden13:14
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 11:06 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia's Victory Day celebrations pared back; Spain's daily virus death tolls falls: Russia marks the 75th anniversary of Soviet victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two on Saturday, but the coronavirus outbreak means that celebrations have been pared back massively. → https://is.gd/ksnS8q13:14
CovBotIn Sweden there have been a total of 25,265 cases as of 2020-05-09 10:55:00 UTC. Of these 17,119 (67.8%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 4,971 (19.7%) have definitely recovered and 3,175 (12.6%) have died.13:14
pwr22I wonder what the population density in sweden is like?13:15
pwr22And how are they testing for herd immunity?13:15
Biep[m]Low, but that means regionally zero and regionally high.13:15
Biep[m]I forgot the details - there was a set of articles about it.13:16
Biep[m]Basically all cases are withing greater Stockholm.13:16
pwr22A lot of my neighbours are getting coughs now13:16
Biep[m] * Basically all cases are within greater Stockholm.13:16
pwr22Not all at once though13:16
aradeshBiep[m]: herd immunity there sounds far fetched13:17
aradeshyou'd think herd immunity in sweden would have been accompanied by a good 50-100k deaths13:17
Biep[m][Some info here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Sweden).13:17
aradeshhm maybe not, what's the population 10 million?13:18
aradeshso if 0.1% of them died...13:18
aradesh10k deaths maybe13:18
aradesh10-50k perhaps 13:18
aradesh0.1-0.5% is my guess fo what a full breakout across a whole country would wipe out13:18
Biep[m][About the herd immunity](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233783/Sweden-herd-immunity-month-claims-infectious-diseases-chief.html).13:19
Biep[m]GtG.13:19
aradeshbye13:19
aradeshstill sounds far fetched. swedish people have still been taking lengths to avoid getting the virus.13:19
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 11:15 UTC: Coronavirus live news: thousands turn out for Belarus VE Day parade, as Russia infections near 200,000: Belarus leader holds parade prompting safety concerns as other nations curb WW2 events; Russia records 10,000 new Covid-19 cases; Spain’s daily death toll continues to fall. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT13:21
pwr22aradesh: So UK deaths are like 30k now. Weren't the government previously saying that a good outcome would have been deaths topping out at 20k?13:22
pwr22I believe the US figure was 100k,they are at about 80 now13:22
BrainstormUpdates for Zambia: +85 cases (now 252), +3 deaths (now 7) since 20 hours ago — Lebanon: +13 cases (now 809) since 20 hours ago — Spain: +2666 cases (now 262783), +179 deaths (now 26478) since 20 hours ago — World: +2824 cases (now 4.0 million), +182 deaths (now 276784) since an hour ago13:22
aradeshpwr22: yep. they said something like 20k would be the best they could do, at the point they announced that13:22
aradeshand USA, 100k in a similar way13:22
aradeshgiven USA's infections aren't really going down, it's likely they'll pass that, especially if they start relaxing measures 13:23
pwr22UK is still at about 500 deaths per day before re-opening things...13:24
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Gov. Newsom signs executive order to send every Californian a mail-in ballot for November presidential election (10016 votes) | https://redd.it/gg0iys13:31
spectr0[m]%data th13:32
Brainstormspectr0[m]: In Jeju, South Korea, there have been 13 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 0 deaths (0.0% of cases) as of 18 days ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Jeju for time series data.13:32
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 11:26 UTC: UK coronavirus live:  ministers plan 14-day quarantine for arrivals as garden centres set to reopen- latest updates: Travellers into UK will be quarantined for two weeks when they arrive as part of measures to prevent a second peak, Boris Johnson is expected to say. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/SRoKcG13:35
BrainstormUpdates for Qatar: +1130 cases (now 21331), +1 deaths (now 13) since 20 hours ago — San Marino: +14 cases (now 637) since 20 hours ago — Kuwait: +415 cases (now 7623), +2 deaths (now 49) since 20 hours ago — Bosnia and Herz.: +20 cases (now 2090), +4 deaths (now 102) since 20 hours ago13:37
BrainstormUpdates for Senegal: +83 cases (now 1634), +2 deaths (now 15) since 21 hours ago — Sierra Leone: +34 cases (now 291), +1 deaths (now 18) since 21 hours ago — India: +116 cases (now 59881), +4 deaths (now 1990) since 6 hours ago — Portugal: +138 cases (now 27406), +12 deaths (now 1126) since 21 hours ago13:52
Arsanerit%data turkmenistan13:55
BrainstormArsanerit: Sorry, turkmenistan not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.13:55
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 11:39 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/fwsHtS13:56
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews at 11:46 UTC: worldnews: South Korea Faces New Flare-Up in Virus Cases Tied to Nightclubs; A potential second wave of coronavirus infections could be possible in South Korea after confirmed cases suddenly increased after a lull, with a surge tied to nightclubs in Seoul → https://is.gd/vMMnRz14:03
BrainstormUpdates for North Macedonia: +36 cases (now 1622), +1 deaths (now 91) since 21 hours ago — Bahrain: +151 cases (now 4595) since 16 hours ago — Maldives: +22 cases (now 766) since 17 hours ago — Missouri, US: +44 cases (now 9736), +5 deaths (now 484) since 15 hours ago14:07
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 12:01 UTC: Coronavirus live news: thousands turn out for Belarus VE Day parade, as Russia infections near 200,000: Belarus leader holds parade prompting safety concerns as other nations curb WW2 events; Russia records 10,000 new Covid-19 cases; Spain’s daily death toll continues to fall. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT14:10
Arsanerit%data belarus14:11
BrainstormArsanerit: In all areas, Belarus, there have been 21101 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 121 deaths (0.6% of cases) as of 21 hours ago. 240146 tests were performed (8.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 2.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belarus for time series data.14:11
splayer%Bangladesh14:16
splayer%cases Bangladesh14:16
Brainstormsplayer: In all areas, Bangladesh, there have been 13770 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 214 deaths (1.6% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 116919 tests were performed (11.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 8.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Bangladesh for time series data.14:16
BrainstormUpdates for Sweden: +656 cases (now 25921), +45 deaths (now 3220) since 21 hours ago — Denmark: +101 cases (now 10319), +4 deaths (now 526) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +289 cases (now 42382), +63 deaths (now 5422) since 21 hours ago — World: +1046 cases (now 4.0 million), +112 deaths (now 276929) since 19 minutes ago14:22
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 12:15 UTC: UK coronavirus live:  ministers plan 14-day quarantine for arrivals as garden centres set to reopen- latest updates: Travellers into UK will be quarantined for two weeks when they arrive as part of measures to prevent a second peak, Boris Johnson is expected to say. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/SRoKcG14:24
BrainstormUpdates for Belarus: +951 cases (now 22052), +5 deaths (now 126) since 21 hours ago — Kenya: +28 cases (now 649), +1 deaths (now 30) since 21 hours ago — Uzbekistan: +13 cases (now 2349) since 7 hours ago — Iran: +1529 cases (now 106220), +48 deaths (now 6589) since 21 hours ago14:37
spectr0[m]%data thailand15:12
Brainstormspectr0[m]: In all areas, Thailand, there have been 3004 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 56 deaths (1.9% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. 78768 tests were performed (3.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 2.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Thailand for time series data.15:13
spectr0[m]%data nz15:14
Brainstormspectr0[m]: In all areas, Tanzania, there have been 509 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 21 deaths (4.1% of cases) as of 14 hours ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 10.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Tanzania for time series data.15:14
Urchin%data croatia15:18
BrainstormUrchin: In all areas, Croatia, there have been 2176 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 87 deaths (4.0% of cases) as of 44 minutes ago. 44218 tests were performed (4.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Croatia for time series data.15:18
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:13 UTC: Russia's Victory Day celebrations pared back; Spain's daily coronavirus death tolls falls: Russia marks the 75th anniversary of Soviet victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two on Saturday, but the coronavirus outbreak means that celebrations have been pared back massively. → https://is.gd/ksnS8q15:20
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New jobs emerge from the pandemic; Amazon and sellers struggle to adapt → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r15:27
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 13:30 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Coronavirus Cases Would Plummet If 80 Percent Of Americans Wore Masks In Public, New Study Finds → https://is.gd/o0qtAV15:34
BrainstormUpdates for Virginia, US: +854 cases (now 23196), +15 deaths (now 827) since 22 hours ago — Saudi Arabia: +1704 cases (now 37136), +10 deaths (now 239) since 22 hours ago — Benin: +42 cases (now 284) since 22 hours ago — Serbia: +89 cases (now 10032), +4 deaths (now 213) since 22 hours ago15:38
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 13:35 UTC: UK coronavirus live:  ministers plan 14-day quarantine for arrivals as garden centres set to reopen- latest updates: Travellers into UK will be quarantined for two weeks when they arrive as part of measures to prevent a second peak, Boris Johnson is expected to say. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/SRoKcG15:41
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New jobs emerge from the pandemic; Amazon and sellers struggle to adapt → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r15:56
BrainstormUpdates for Azerbaijan: +143 cases (now 2422), +3 deaths (now 31) since 23 hours ago — Tajikistan: +90 cases (now 612), +8 deaths (now 20) since 23 hours ago — Maryland, US: +1049 cases (now 31534), +54 deaths (now 1614) since 23 hours ago — US: +209 cases (now 1.3 million), +9 deaths (now 78646) since 36 minutes ago16:08
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 14:33 UTC: nCoV: UK 'to bring in 14-day air passenger quarantine' | 09MAY20 → https://is.gd/bM1YzW16:38
BrainstormUpdates for North Carolina, US: +353 cases (now 14360), +14 deaths (now 544) since 15 hours ago — US: +1431 cases (now 1.3 million), +70 deaths (now 78716) since 50 minutes ago — Mali: +24 cases (now 692), +2 deaths (now 37) since 17 hours ago — Cameroon: +7 cases (now 2274) since 2 days ago16:53
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New jobs emerge from the pandemic; Amazon and sellers struggle to adapt → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r17:00
BrainstormUpdates for Florida, US: +802 cases (now 40001), +46 deaths (now 1715) since 23 hours ago — US: +804 cases (now 1.3 million), +46 deaths (now 78762) since 19 minutes ago — World: +807 cases (now 4.0 million), +46 deaths (now 277191) since 19 minutes ago — Vermont, US: +2 cases (now 921) since a day ago17:08
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 15:12 UTC: /u/slakmehl: AP Exclusive: Top White House officials buried CDC report → https://is.gd/5f2T9Q17:14
ArsaneritI was made aware of this site only today   https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries17:17
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: New jobs emerge from the pandemic; Amazon and sellers struggle to adapt → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r17:21
BrainstormUpdates for Greece: +19 cases (now 2710), +1 deaths (now 151) since 23 hours ago — Georgia (US), US: +255 cases (now 32453) since an hour ago — India: +1475 cases (now 61356) since 3 hours ago — United Kingdom: +3896 cases (now 215260), +346 deaths (now 31587) since 22 hours ago17:23
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:22 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US bail bond business in may be in jeopardy; experts are betting on Tesla → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r17:28
BrainstormUpdates for Algeria: +189 cases (now 5558), +6 deaths (now 494) since 23 hours ago — World: +437 cases (now 4.1 million), +57 deaths (now 277595) since 20 minutes ago — Iowa, US: +15 cases (now 11472) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +233 cases (now 170876) since an hour ago17:38
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 15:37 UTC: Thousands attend Belarus military parade despite pandemic – video: Thousands of people, including elderly veterans of the second world war, have turned out for Belarus’s Victory Day parade despite the coronavirus epidemic. Images from the parade showed large crowds as the country’s leader, Alexander Lukashenko, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/cGxxfZ17:49
spectr0[m]%data Thailand17:52
Brainstormspectr0[m]: In all areas, Thailand, there have been 3004 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 56 deaths (1.9% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 78768 tests were performed (3.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 2.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Thailand for time series data.17:52
LjLItaly's data look sort of okay today17:59
LjLbut it's saturday and i have a suspicion that may cause artificial reduction17:59
LjLi need to see how many tests were performed17:59
LjLhmm, almost 70k tests, only 1.6% positive, i guess that's good18:00
LjLexcept Milan still barely shows any sign of slowing down ;(18:01
LjLTurin has slowed down a lot now18:01
LjLand the other provinces that had the most cases are quite horizontal18:01
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 15:42 UTC: Coronavirus live news: thousands turn out for Belarus VE Day parade, as Russia infections near 200,000: Belarus leader holds parade prompting safety concerns as other nations curb WW2 events; Russia records 10,000 new Covid-19 cases; Spain’s daily death toll continues to fall. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT18:03
JigsyHow did Russia manage to avoid well, this shitstorm before now?18:08
BrainstormUpdates for Cuba: +13 cases (now 1754) since a day ago — Rhode Island, US: +210 cases (now 10989), +19 deaths (now 418) since a day ago — Iowa, US: +199 cases (now 11671), +9 deaths (now 252) since 36 minutes ago — Italy: +1083 cases (now 218268), +194 deaths (now 30395) since 23 hours ago18:09
Arsanerithorizontal is not bad but not very good either18:10
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews at 15:42 UTC: worldnews: Taiwan’s Weapon Against Coronavirus: An Epidemiologist as Vice President → https://is.gd/Tt91d018:10
LjLArsanerit, uh... how much better can it get?18:10
ArsaneritLjL: down is better than flat if you're talking about new cases or active cases18:13
Arsaneritif you're talking about cumulative cases then flat is as good as it can get18:13
LjLArsanerit, okay, this is cumulative cases, i never really look at active cases because i believe the recoveries curve is very artificial in most countries, being neglected and mostly influenced by whether there's time to make negative tests, and whether someone feels like uploading the data18:14
ArsaneritI've started to look more at new cases than cumulative cases18:14
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:11 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US bail bond business in may be in jeopardy; experts are betting on Tesla → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r18:17
BrainstormUpdates for Andorra: +2 cases (now 754), +1 deaths (now 48) since a day ago — Iraq: +76 cases (now 2679), +3 deaths (now 107) since 23 hours ago — Mississippi, US: +288 cases (now 9378), +12 deaths (now 421) since a day ago — North Dakota, US: +39 cases (now 1464), +2 deaths (now 35) since 23 hours ago18:24
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews at 16:16 UTC: worldnews: In one of the world's most expensive cities, thousands of people lined up Saturday for free food, as the COVID-19 crisis casts a spotlight on Geneva's usually invisible poor → https://is.gd/G4ujbL18:31
doors_1Jigsy, Russia's screwed now. The cases are increasing by thousands per day18:32
JigsyHow did they avoid it for so long, though?18:33
doors_1Did they? I thought small nos of cases existed . It only took time for it to reach a critical barrier18:33
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews at 16:25 UTC: worldnews: Russia Is Boasting About Low Coronavirus Deaths. The Numbers Are Deceiving: Increasing transparency by Russian officials shows that 233% more coronavirus-positive patients died in at least two regions than reported in the total count. But the country stands by its classification method → https://is.gd/hkzkCw18:38
BrainstormUpdates for Somalia: +69 cases (now 997), +4 deaths (now 48) since a day ago — Turkey: +1546 cases (now 137115), +50 deaths (now 3739) since 23 hours ago — World: +2215 cases (now 4.1 million), +83 deaths (now 278045) since 21 minutes ago — US: +57 cases (now 1.3 million), +24 deaths (now 78829) since 21 minutes ago18:40
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 16:29 UTC: Global report: Russia becomes new hotspot as South Korea shuts bars: Belarus defies coronavirus concerns with VE Day parade, mayor of Milan issues warning, while football returns ... in the Faroe Islands → https://is.gd/EKGO3Y18:52
BrainstormUpdates for Djibouti: +54 cases (now 1189) since 20 hours ago — Alabama, US: +100 cases (now 9486), +3 deaths (now 388) since 2 hours ago — California, US: +65 cases (now 64597), +2 deaths (now 2630) since 21 minutes ago — US: +165 cases (now 1.3 million), +5 deaths (now 78834) since 21 minutes ago18:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US bail bond business in may be in jeopardy; experts are betting on Tesla → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r18:59
BrainstormUpdates for Ireland: +219 cases (now 22760), +17 deaths (now 1446) since 23 hours ago — Chile: +1247 cases (now 27219), +10 deaths (now 304) since a day ago — Arizona, US: +434 cases (now 10960), +15 deaths (now 532) since 23 hours ago — US: +434 cases (now 1.3 million), +15 deaths (now 78849) since 23 minutes ago19:05
BrainstormNew from Scientific American at 17:00 UTC: Health: A Liberal East Coast Science Writer Talks to a Pro-Trump Texan Strength Coach about COVID-19 → https://is.gd/THynDZ19:06
explore\c russia19:15
BrainstormUpdates for New Jersey, US: +1316 cases (now 138528), +131 deaths (now 9117) since 16 hours ago — Louisiana, US: +562 cases (now 31417), +40 deaths (now 2267) since 23 hours ago — US: +4523 cases (now 1.3 million), +330 deaths (now 79179) since 17 minutes ago — Mozambique: +5 cases (now 87) since a day ago19:20
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 17:12 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/g2ZsZL19:20
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 17:21 UTC: Radiografia prima e dopo Covid: submitted by /u/Raskolo to r/CoronaVirus_ITALIA → https://is.gd/0Wz5NB19:27
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tesla CEO threatens to sue in CA; US bail bond business in may be in jeopardy → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r19:34
BrainstormUpdates for Pennsylvania, US: +730 cases (now 58201), +59 deaths (now 3776) since 19 hours ago — Egypt: +488 cases (now 8964), +11 deaths (now 514) since a day ago — US: +730 cases (now 1.3 million), +60 deaths (now 79239) since 16 minutes ago — World: +1218 cases (now 4.1 million), +71 deaths (now 278549) since 16 minutes ago19:35
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Half of all 19-24 year old men in the UK have met friends or family members they do not live with during lockdown, compared to a quarter of women the same age (10066 votes) | https://redd.it/ggd20619:38
nixonixLjL:  where to find daily death numbers in history for new york city for certain dates (i would need total till some date in this case)? offloop is great, but it doesnt have ny city, just state19:47
BrainstormUpdates for United Arab Emirates: +624 cases (now 17417), +11 deaths (now 185) since a day ago — Israel: +10 cases (now 16454), +2 deaths (now 247) since 8 hours ago — Germany: +23 cases (now 171021), +15 deaths (now 7525) since 31 minutes ago — US: +58 cases (now 1.3 million), +5 deaths (now 79244) since 18 minutes ago19:50
LjLnixonix, i'd go to the official site of NYC. it is https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page and it offers a CSV download at data:application/octet-stream;charset=utf-8,DATE_OF_INTEREST%2CCases%2CHospitalizations%2CDeaths%0A2%2F29%2F20%2C1%2C6%2C0%0A3%2F1%2F20%2C1%2C1%2C0%0A3%2F2%2F20%2C0%2C10%2C0%0A3%2F3%2F20%2C2%2C7%2C0%0A3%2F4%2F20%2C5%2C8%2C0%0A3%2F5%2F20%2C3%2C13%2C0%0A3%2F6%2F20%2C7%2C13%2C0%0A3%2F7%2F20%2C7%2C10%2C0%0A3%2F8%2F20%2C21%2C119:50
LjL4%2C0%0A3%2F9%2F20%2C57%2C36%2C0%0A3%2F10%2F20%2C70%2C46%2C0%0A3%2F11%2F20%2C153%2C70%2C1%0A3%2F12%2F20%2C355%2C73%2C1%0A3%2F13%2F20%2C618%2C135%2C0%0A3%2F14%2F20%2C642%2C152%2C2%0A3%2F15%2F20%2C1028%2C187%2C6%0A3%2F16%2F20%2C2116%2C300%2C9%0A3%2F17%2F20%2C2447%2C338%2C7%0A3%2F18%2F20%2C2951%2C440%2C21%0A3%2F19%2F20%2C3679%2C530%2C24%0A3%2F20%2F20%2C3988%2C623%2C45%0A3%2F21%2F20%2C2603%2C663%2C41%0A3%2F22%2F20%2C2547%2C687%2C48%0A3%2F23%2F20%2C3508%2C1020%219:50
LjLC83%0A3%2F24%2F20%2C4393%2C1136%2C94%0A3%2F25%2F20%2C4740%2C1249%2C121%0A3%2F26%2F20%2C4931%2C1387%2C185%0A3%2F27%2F20%2C4993%2C1340%2C210%0A3%2F28%2F20%2C3384%2C1269%2C268%0A3%2F29%2F20%2C3437%2C1351%2C284%0A3%2F30%2F20%2C6015%2C1633%2C314%0A3%2F31%2F20%2C5169%2C1479%2C368%0A4%2F1%2F20%2C5028%2C1452%2C419%0A4%2F2%2F20%2C5646%2C1605%2C458%0A4%2F3%2F20%2C5519%2C1587%2C466%0A4%2F4%2F20%2C3752%2C1343%2C474%0A4%2F5%2F20%2C3617%2C1338%2C533%0A4%2F6%2F20%2C6213%219:50
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blkshpBit long that one ;)19:51
JamGobbarquite the url19:51
LjLnixonix, ... well it offers CSV data if you click the button.19:51
nixonixgreat, ty19:52
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 17:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Food parcels handed out to workers in Geneva impacted by Covid-19 → https://is.gd/xIXwHo19:55
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tesla CEO threatens to sue in CA; US bail bond business in may be in jeopardy → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r20:02
BrainstormUpdates for Dominican Rep.: +431 cases (now 9882), +5 deaths (now 385) since an hour ago — Pakistan: +1262 cases (now 28736), +18 deaths (now 636) since 14 hours ago — Nevada, US: +144 cases (now 6028) since 18 hours ago — World: +1406 cases (now 4.1 million), +18 deaths (now 278607) since 16 minutes ago20:05
BrainstormUpdates for Kansas, US: +114 cases (now 6781), +4 deaths (now 172) since 17 hours ago — Ecuador: +253 cases (now 29071), +13 deaths (now 1717) since 15 hours ago — Delaware, US: +166 cases (now 6277), +8 deaths (now 221) since a day ago — Indiana, US: +586 cases (now 23732), +43 deaths (now 1490) since a day ago20:20
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Tesla CEO threatens to sue in CA; Haven CEO Gawande reportedly wants a new job → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r20:23
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:26 UTC: Russia's Victory Day celebrations pared back; Spain's daily coronavirus death tolls falls: Russia marks the 75th anniversary of Soviet victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two on Saturday, but the coronavirus outbreak means that celebrations have been pared back massively. → https://is.gd/ksnS8q20:30
l0ndonero/....20:31
BrainstormUpdates for Moldova: +139 cases (now 4867), +2 deaths (now 161) since 8 hours ago — Oklahoma, US: +66 cases (now 4490), +4 deaths (now 270) since a day ago — North Carolina, US: +106 cases (now 14466), +7 deaths (now 551) since 3 hours ago — Norway: +14 cases (now 8084), +1 deaths (now 219) since 19 hours ago20:35
BrainstormUpdates for Mayotte: +134 cases (now 988), +1 deaths (now 11) since a day ago — Reunion: +5 cases (now 431) since 16 hours ago — India: +39 cases (now 62808), +12 deaths (now 2101) since an hour ago — World: +196 cases (now 4.1 million), +13 deaths (now 278789) since 21 minutes ago20:50
BrainstormUpdates for Chad: +62 cases (now 322), +3 deaths (now 31) since 23 hours ago — Paraguay: +126 cases (now 689) since 23 hours ago — Michigan, US: +430 cases (now 46756), +133 deaths (now 4526) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +124 cases (now 171145), +7 deaths (now 7532) since an hour ago21:05
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews at 18:27 UTC: worldnews: Outbreaks in Germany, South Korea Show the Risks in Easing Up → https://is.gd/9i4Nps21:19
BrainstormUpdates for Guinea-Bissau: +47 cases (now 641), +1 deaths (now 3) since 22 hours ago — Oregon, US: +92 cases (now 3160), +3 deaths (now 127) since 22 hours ago — US: +92 cases (now 1.3 million), +3 deaths (now 79471) since 16 minutes ago — World: +146 cases (now 4.1 million), +4 deaths (now 279016) since 16 minutes ago21:20
Butterfly^https://www.businessinsider.com/ivanka-trump-personal-assistant-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-report-2020-5  Pandemic hits the White House rapid fire. trump’s valet, pence’s PR person, now this. Ivanka Trump's personal assistant has reportedly tested positive for Coronavirus21:24
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 19:04 UTC: US authorities warn of illness in kids linked to Covid-19 after five-year-old boy dies: New York reports 73 cases of children falling severely ill with toxic shock-like reaction that has symptoms similar to Kawasaki disease → https://is.gd/la46or21:26
BrainstormUpdates for Utah, US: +184 cases (now 6103), +5 deaths (now 66) since 22 hours ago — Senegal: +2 deaths (now 17) since 7 hours ago — Illinois, US: +2325 cases (now 76085), +108 deaths (now 3349) since 23 hours ago — Tennessee, US: +327 cases (now 14768), +1 deaths (now 242) since 22 hours ago21:35
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews at 19:15 UTC: worldnews: Britain to quarantine travellers from abroad for 14 days → https://is.gd/kLWhxx21:47
BrainstormUpdates for Bahrain: +179 cases (now 4774) since 7 hours ago — US: +580 cases (now 1.3 million), +28 deaths (now 79627) since 16 minutes ago — World: +760 cases (now 4.1 million), +28 deaths (now 279175) since 16 minutes ago21:50
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: White House deals with infection in the ranks; Haven CEO eyes new job → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r21:54
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 20:00 UTC: Lessons learned: what Australia needs to do to avoid a second Covid-19 wave: Experts say to prevent future outbreak clusters, workers need to have job safety if they are feeling sick and unable to work → https://is.gd/iGYezP22:15
BrainstormUpdates for Ivory Coast: +65 cases (now 1667), +1 deaths (now 21) since 23 hours ago — Massachusetts, US: +1410 cases (now 76743), +138 deaths (now 4840) since a day ago — Connecticut, US: +573 cases (now 32984), +58 deaths (now 2932) since 23 hours ago — US: +1983 cases (now 1.3 million), +196 deaths (now 79823) since 39 minutes ago22:24
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 20:20 UTC: Air transport: Two-week quarantine will cripple us, aviation industry warns Boris Johnson → https://is.gd/hHmWvc22:29
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:31 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: White House deals with infection in the ranks; Haven CEO eyes new job → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r22:36
BrainstormUpdates for Niger: +20 cases (now 815), +1 deaths (now 45) since 23 hours ago — Rwanda: +7 cases (now 280) since a day ago — Canada: +24 cases (now 67643), +2 deaths (now 4692) since 2 hours ago — World: +53 cases (now 4.1 million), +3 deaths (now 279386) since 27 minutes ago22:39
LjL%title https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/gglno5/britain_to_quarantine_travellers_from_abroad_for/22:41
BrainstormLjL: From np.reddit.com: Britain to quarantine travellers from abroad for 14 days : worldnews22:41
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Live animal "wet markets" in New York City face protests amid coronavirus pandemic (10144 votes) | https://redd.it/ggev7a22:45
BrainstormUpdates for Ghana: +251 cases (now 4263), +4 deaths (now 22) since a day ago — Peru: +3168 cases (now 65015), +100 deaths (now 1814) since a day ago — Wisconsin, US: +349 cases (now 9939), +14 deaths (now 398) since a day ago — South Carolina, US: +164 cases (now 7531), +10 deaths (now 330) since a day ago22:55
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 21:06 UTC: Coronavirus live news: thousands turn out for Belarus VE Day parade, as Russia infections near 200,000: Belarus leader holds parade prompting safety concerns as other nations curb WW2 events; Russia records 10,000 new Covid-19 cases; Spain’s daily death toll continues to fall. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT23:18
rageris it over yet?23:23
withorwithoutrager: what exactly?23:25
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases cross 4 million mark as White House deals with infection in the ranks → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r23:32
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus at 21:27 UTC: Coronavirus: Fresh Covid-19 outbreaks reported in South Korea and Germany after rules relaxed → https://is.gd/YxPZ5W23:39
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 21:29 UTC: Coronavirus live news: thousands turn out for Belarus VE Day parade, as Russia infections near 200,000: Belarus leader holds parade prompting safety concerns as other nations curb WW2 events; Russia records 10,000 new Covid-19 cases; Spain’s daily death toll continues to fall. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/eBc1nT23:46
BrainstormUpdates for Comoros: +3 cases (now 11) since 2 days ago — Missouri, US: +74 cases (now 9810), +9 deaths (now 493) since 9 hours ago — Texas, US: +209 cases (now 38148), +8 deaths (now 1097) since 2 hours ago — Georgia (US), US: +25 cases (now 32548), +1 deaths (now 1401) since 3 hours ago23:50

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