| withorwithout | Ah, this one is very interesting, more evidence towards the pangolin transmission to humans https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2313-x | 00:03 |
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| withorwithout | %title | 00:03 |
| Brainstorm | withorwithout: From www.nature.com: Isolation of SARS-CoV-2-related coronavirus from Malayan pangolins | Nature | 00:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:02 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global cases cross 4 million mark as White House deals with infection in the ranks → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r | 00:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for California, US: +884 cases (now 65798), +3 deaths (now 2681) since 31 minutes ago — Kentucky, US: +152 cases (now 6440), +6 deaths (now 304) since a day ago — Texas, US: +398 cases (now 38546), +14 deaths (now 1111) since 31 minutes ago — Colombia: +444 cases (now 10495), +17 deaths (now 445) since 23 hours ago | 00:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus* at 22:06 UTC: Coronavirus: Study Finds More COVID-19 Cases Among Viewers Of Fox News Host Who Downplayed Pandemic : NPR → https://is.gd/XeWNV3 | 00:21 |
| LjL | haha | 00:22 |
| LjL | that's quite the study | 00:22 |
| withorwithout | lol | 00:23 |
| withorwithout | npr... meh | 00:23 |
| term99 | %data ohio | 00:25 |
| Brainstorm | term99: In Ohio, US, there have been 23697 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 1331 deaths (5.6% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 184316 tests were performed (12.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 00:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Colorado, US: +548 cases (now 19375), +7 deaths (now 967) since 23 hours ago — Brazil: +6838 cases (now 155939), +514 deaths (now 10627) since 46 minutes ago — Nigeria: +239 cases (now 4151), +11 deaths (now 128) since 23 hours ago — New Mexico, US: +105 cases (now 4778), +10 deaths (now 191) since 23 hours ago | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:23 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: NSW set to ease restrictions from Friday – latest updates: Cafes and restaurants will reopen for up to 10 people as part of a relaxation of Covid-19 rules in NSW. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:40 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/E163Hi | 00:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Dakota, US: +249 cases (now 3393), +3 deaths (now 34) since a day ago — New Hampshire, US: +64 cases (now 3011), +10 deaths (now 131) since 23 hours ago — Nebraska, US: +403 cases (now 8234), +4 deaths (now 96) since a day ago — Pennsylvania, US: +485 cases (now 58686), +22 deaths (now 3798) since 5 hours ago | 00:50 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: In the early days of the pandemic, the U.S. government turned down an offer to manufacture millions of N95 masks in America (10171 votes) | https://redd.it/ggjifx | 00:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:48 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: NSW set to ease restrictions from Friday – latest updates: Cafes and restaurants will reopen for up to 10 people as part of a relaxation of Covid-19 rules in NSW. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 01:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sudan: +53 cases (now 1164), +5 deaths (now 64) since a day ago — World: +68 cases (now 4.1 million), +5 deaths (now 280248) since 17 minutes ago — Uruguay: +8 cases (now 702) since a day ago — Georgia (US), US: +7 cases (now 32568) since 49 minutes ago | 01:05 |
| LjL | !r follow COVID19 50 | 01:16 |
| CoronaBot | ,01[OK] LjL, I'm now following /r/covid19, minimum upvotes for a post to be shown is set to 50 | 01:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 23:02 UTC: worldnews: Just days before Germany planned to ease social distancing restrictions for COVID-19, a severe outbreak of the virus at a meat processing plant has led one state to delay loosening those guidelines → https://is.gd/ql8tfK | 01:17 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Isolation of SARS-CoV-2-related coronavirus from Malayan pangolins (54 votes) | https://redd.it/ggnrb6 | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 23:07 UTC: Coronavirus: The United States surpasses 80,000 COVID-19 Deaths → https://is.gd/RCSoCE | 01:31 |
| _abc_ | Did the llama connection pan out? I understand the llamas build strong antibodies against covid when infected? And there is some plan to use those for human treatment? | 01:32 |
| _abc_ | not a meme link https://imgur.com/gallery/wCgsXHd | 01:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:28 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: NSW set to ease restrictions from Friday – latest updates: Cafes and restaurants will reopen for up to 10 people as part of a relaxation of Covid-19 rules in NSW. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 23:45 UTC: Covid2019: Study Finds More COVID-19 Cases Among Viewers Of Fox News Host Who Downplayed Pandemic : NPR → https://is.gd/vYrITj | 01:52 |
| Trippy72394 | Hi, I'm looking for annual stats on deaths of any kind in different US states in order to see if this is higher than usual even considering "reported" deaths by covid. Does anyone know a good site for US death stats? | 02:01 |
| Trippy72394 | Monthly stats would be better | 02:01 |
| Trippy72394 | Even if just one state website's records | 02:02 |
| Trippy72394 | I just heard New Jersey has much higher deaths than would be accounted for by "reported" deaths by covid | 02:02 |
| Trippy72394 | I'll check back later for a reply. Thanks to all. | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sint Maarten: +1 deaths (now 15) since 4 days ago — Venezuela: +14 cases (now 402) since a day ago — California, US: +616 cases (now 66687), +7 deaths (now 2691) since an hour ago — New Jersey, US: +51 cases (now 138579), +1 deaths (now 9118) since 6 hours ago | 02:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:00 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: NSW set to ease restrictions from Friday – latest updates: Cafes and restaurants will reopen for up to 10 people as part of a relaxation of Covid-19 rules in NSW. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 02:06 |
| LjL | Trippy72394, hmm, i only have this kind of thing for Europe, with EuroMomo. would be interesting to have it for the US too, i'll search for it... please let me know if you find one, too | 02:08 |
| Trippy72394 | LjL thanks! | 02:09 |
| LjL | Trippy72394, hm, this is supposed to be COVID-19 specific, at least i found it from something that said it was, but it seems the most similar thing to euromomo i've found so far https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (namely tracking "excess" deaths compared to the average for the period) | 02:19 |
| LjL | and well it definitely shows an excess now | 02:19 |
| LjL | Trippy72394, i guess the "normal" thing would be https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr.htm but it's just not updated frequently enough, even though it's called "rapid release"... it only covers 2019 for now | 02:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Panama: +212 cases (now 8282), +6 deaths (now 237) since 23 hours ago — Washington, US: +170 cases (now 17426), +1 deaths (now 922) since 22 minutes ago — Mexico: +1938 cases (now 33460), +193 deaths (now 3353) since 23 hours ago — US: +184 cases (now 1.3 million), +1 deaths (now 80037) since 22 minutes ago | 02:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 00:27 UTC: ljl-covid: Add CDC page on COVID-19 by demographics → https://is.gd/YawMQ4 | 02:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +171 cases (now 2437), +8 deaths (now 114) since 23 hours ago — World: +173 cases (now 4.1 million), +8 deaths (now 280535) since 20 minutes ago — Tunisia: +2 cases (now 1032) since a day ago | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:29 UTC: Australia coronavirus live: NSW set to ease restrictions from Friday – latest updates: Cafes and restaurants will reopen for up to 10 people as part of a relaxation of Covid-19 rules in NSW. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 02:41 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Lung biopsy cells transcriptional landscape from COVID-19 patient stratified lung injury in SARS-CoV-2 infection through impaired pulmonary surfactant metabolism (50 votes) | https://redd.it/ggf6oc | 02:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for China: +14 cases (now 82901) since 23 hours ago — New Zealand: +2 cases (now 1494) since 23 hours ago — Argentina: +10 cases (now 5776) since 2 hours ago — World: +26 cases (now 4.1 million) since 33 minutes ago | 03:06 |
| atheodo | hi, just read Germany's rate is going up again so they will most likely be shutting down again | 03:08 |
| atheodo | I am afraid it will happen to us here also | 03:08 |
| ryouma | i fear the us states that follow national policy will take too long to shut down again when or if needed. i wonder how long it will take until they finally do, or if they will keep denying reality for a long time. | 03:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:04 UTC: Coronavirus live updates Australia: NSW set to ease restrictions from Friday – latest news: Cafes and restaurants will reopen for up to 10 people as part of a relaxation of Covid-19 rules in NSW. Follow all the latest news, live → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 03:09 |
| atheodo | i am in Maryland, so we are taking a consvervative approach to re opening | 03:11 |
| atheodo | I will not be joining any big groups and going anywhere without a mask any time soon | 03:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guatemala: +67 cases (now 967) since 23 hours ago — World: +101 cases (now 4.1 million) since 19 minutes ago | 03:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:32 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates Australia: five visitors at home, outdoor gatherings of 10 people and open-air gym sessions allowed under eased restrictions in NSW from Friday – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 03:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Korea: +34 cases (now 10874) since 23 hours ago — Australia: +2 cases (now 6931) since 15 hours ago — World: +2 cases (now 4.1 million) since 33 minutes ago | 03:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:50 UTC: (news): Global cases cross 4 million mark as White House deals with infection in the ranks → https://is.gd/bMpQ2r | 03:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:06 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Three members of White House task force to enter some form of quarantine → https://is.gd/zy52Xz | 04:12 |
| ryouma | masque of red death :/ | 04:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates Australia: restrictions on gatherings and outdoor recreation set to ease in NSW and WA – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 04:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 02:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Three members of White House task force to enter some form of quarantine → https://is.gd/zy52Xz | 04:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:33 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates Australia: restrictions on gatherings and outdoor recreation set to ease in NSW and WA – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 04:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 02:50 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Silver su Twitter: "US daily numbers via @COVID19Tracking: Newly reported deaths: Today: 1,529 Yesterday: 1,760 One week ago (5/2): 1,651 Newly reported cases: T: 25K Y: 28K 5/2: 30K Newly reported tests: T: 301K Y: 303K 5/2: 253K Positive test rate: T: 8% Y: 9% 5/2: 12%" → https://is.gd/xfV403 | 04:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mayotte, France: +134 cases (now 988), +1 deaths (now 11) since 2 days ago — Sint Maarten, Netherlands: +1 deaths (now 15) since 4 days ago — Victoria, Australia: +19 cases (now 1487) since a day ago — Jilin, China: +11 cases (now 124) since 2 days ago | 05:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Three members of White House task force to enter some form of quarantine → https://is.gd/zy52Xz | 05:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for El Salvador: +105 cases (now 889) since 8 hours ago — District of Columbia, US: +203 cases (now 6102), +7 deaths (now 311) since a day ago — Pakistan: +729 cases (now 29465), +3 deaths (now 639) since 9 hours ago — World: +842 cases (now 4.1 million), +3 deaths (now 280543) since 32 minutes ago | 05:37 |
| whytek | Ah IRC is not what it used to be, people turning up with random hearsay and opinion :) | 05:39 |
| whytek | world gone to the dogs | 05:39 |
| whytek | i mean virus | 05:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:35 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates Australia: Covid-19 restrictions on gatherings and outdoor recreation set to ease in NSW and WA – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 05:43 |
| ryouma | %data new mexico | 05:47 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In New Mexico, US, there have been 4778 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 191 deaths (4.0% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 89032 tests were performed (5.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 05:47 |
| ryouma | %data arizona | 05:47 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Arizona, US, there have been 10960 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 532 deaths (4.9% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 128940 tests were performed (8.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 05:47 |
| ryouma | can you get population also? | 05:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 03:47 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea reports 34 new cases: Yonhap reported an infection cluster tied to nightclubs in Seoul, where a patron had tested positive for Covid-19. → https://is.gd/zy52Xz | 05:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:08 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates Australia: Covid-19 restrictions on gatherings and outdoor recreation set to ease in NSW and WA – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 06:19 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Arterial thromboembolic complications in COVID‐19 in low risk patients despite prophylaxis (51 votes) | https://redd.it/ggreq5 | 06:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 04:09 UTC: worldnews: Seoul officials ordered all bars and nightclubs closed after as many as 40 new COVID-19 cases were linked to them → https://is.gd/b3KUQU | 06:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:21 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates Australia: NSW and WA set to ease Covid-19 restrictions amid protests – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 06:32 |
| Trippy72394 | LjL thanks, I'll check those soon. Appreciated. | 06:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:38 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia updates live: anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne as NSW and WA set to ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 06:46 |
| Trippy72394 | I'm looking at https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CHSI/Pages/Vital-Statistics-Data-.aspx and trying to get "death data files" | 06:56 |
| Trippy72394 | it's a link there. firefox warns me. You? | 06:56 |
| kunikos | Trippy72394: firefox warns you of what? | 06:58 |
| Trippy72394 | Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead | 06:58 |
| Trippy72394 | irefox detected an issue and did not continue to archive.cdph.ca.gov. The website is either misconfigured or your computer clock is set to the wrong time. | 06:58 |
| kunikos | ohh yeah | 06:58 |
| kunikos | i got that issue too | 06:58 |
| Trippy72394 | is it safe to continue? i want the data. | 06:58 |
| kunikos | i don't see why it wouldn't be it's a .gov site | 06:59 |
| Trippy72394 | I don't even know if it's monthly. I really want monthly to see if there's a huge increase in deaths in excess of what would be accounted for with covid | 07:00 |
| Trippy72394 | .gov site, agreed, probably safe | 07:00 |
| kunikos | Trippy72394: that makes sense | 07:00 |
| Butterfly^ | https://imgur.com/gallery/6PsMCgs fucking Texas logic | 07:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 04:56 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: India infection cases top 60,000 → https://is.gd/zy52Xz | 07:00 |
| Trippy72394 | There must be some a few states out ther with monthly total death stats avail | 07:01 |
| Trippy72394 | Monthly would be better than waiting a year to see how many more covid deaths there actually were | 07:01 |
| kunikos | Trippy72394: yeah i was trying to find a baseline myself. i couldn't find anything. | 07:02 |
| kunikos | Trippy72394: All i know is that the people that they described the be at most risk to the virus seemed the be a description of the average american. | 07:03 |
| Trippy72394 | I'll try a few other states to see if they have monthly records. If you find anything please let us know | 07:03 |
| Trippy72394 | wow | 07:03 |
| Julius5 | Do people still believe in this Corona hype? | 07:04 |
| ryouma | where do you live Julius5 | 07:05 |
| kunikos | Julius5: idk if to believe or not to believe this is the question | 07:05 |
| Julius5 | ryouma, why does it matter? | 07:05 |
| ryouma | i was going to look up data for where you live | 07:05 |
| ryouma | for example, are you in the usa? | 07:05 |
| ryouma | %data usa | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In all areas, US, there have been 1.3 million confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 80037 deaths (5.9% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 8.9 million tests were performed (15.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 07:06 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, since our believes decide our actions, it's the question what we believe | 07:06 |
| Julius5 | ryouma, I know the data already, but thanks | 07:06 |
| ryouma | %data europe | 07:06 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: Sorry, europe not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 07:06 |
| ryouma | %data european union | 07:06 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: Sorry, european union not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 07:06 |
| ryouma | %data russia | 07:06 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In all areas, Russia, there have been 198676 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 1827 deaths (0.9% of cases) as of 21 hours ago. 5.2 million tests were performed (3.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 5.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Russia for time series data. | 07:06 |
| Julius5 | Why do peope still talk about cases? That's so stupid | 07:06 |
| kunikos | Julius5: yes in getting to the bottom of this. is it a real threat or not?!?! idk?!?! info keeps getting thrown left and right. no way to find truth in all of this mess. | 07:06 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, is the flu a real threat? Of course. Is it special? Of course not | 07:07 |
| Julius5 | SARS-CoV-2 is just special because it's an almost worldwide mass panic | 07:08 |
| kunikos | Julius5: this i understand. while i understand that the threat of the virus is only a %0.3 death rate right? | 07:08 |
| Julius5 | What is "death rate" ? | 07:08 |
| Julius5 | Mortality, Lethality, deaths per 100'000, what? | 07:09 |
| Julius5 | See, that's one of the problems about people and the media. They do not really know what they're talking about | 07:09 |
| kunikos | Julius5: but i also understand that it is of 20% of those who get the virus are hopitalized. than reports of %24 percent of those need a resp. that rate to my understanding unsustainable to the hospitals providing treatment | 07:09 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, over 20% sounds like BS | 07:10 |
| kunikos | Julius5: it's not that the virus is a threat. the threat is so many people going to the hospital at the same time. can not be serviced at the same time. | 07:10 |
| kunikos | Julius5: it's not my numbers | 07:10 |
| Julius5 | An example: In California it tuned out that about 25 (don't recall the exact number) times more people are infected than thought. So the rates of who die and who gets hospitalized drop by a factor of 25. No one actually knows the number of infected, that's the point. "Cases" are useless | 07:11 |
| Trippy72394 | Okay kunikos and LjL I did look at the CDC download pdf called nvsr68_09-508.pdf linked at the CDC page as Deaths: Final Data for 2017, table B | 07:13 |
| Julius5 | Actually most hospitals are empty. It's more of bad logistics getting the people there | 07:13 |
| kunikos | Julius5: from what i understand it's a good thing that they are empty because they were just getting prepared. but the fact that we increased the number of beds coinsiding with our efforts to medigate i believe we reduced now what we thought we needed. | 07:14 |
| kunikos | Julius5: but now arguments lay heavily now on whether we should proceed as business as normal and fill these beds up? and undo all of our medigative efforts? idk. this is where i can't decide. | 07:15 |
| Julius5 | They are empty because except for some hotspots Corona is not really a big thing | 07:15 |
| Trippy72394 | That has an annual state by state breakdown. I guess divide the figures by 12 and you get an average per month and that can be compared to any monthly stats coming from individual states' websites | 07:16 |
| kunikos | Julius5: this is where i can't argue for or against you. the media drowns out all of the facts. | 07:16 |
| kunikos | Julius5: so it's sooooooo sooo hard for me to pick. all i know is that i'm focusing on protecting myself and my family. | 07:16 |
| kunikos | Trippy72394: so what where the average numbers? this was for 2017? | 07:17 |
| Julius5 | Protecting from what? | 07:17 |
| Trippy72394 | kunikos average for which state? | 07:18 |
| Trippy72394 | I think what needs to be done first is to find a state webiste that publishes total monthly deaths. | 07:19 |
| kunikos | Trippy72394: well for california i guess. and idk if you have the national average too i guess i would be curious. | 07:19 |
| kunikos | Trippy72394: dude someone has got to get on these polititions about getting these statistics out there. | 07:19 |
| Trippy72394 | Without having monthly state deaths, there is nothing to compare the 2017 deaths to | 07:19 |
| Julius5 | There probably is no real difference in the numbers from the last years | 07:19 |
| Trippy72394 | I agree | 07:19 |
| ecks | just look at the excess deaths in europe | 07:20 |
| Julius5 | I don't see more deaths than usual | 07:20 |
| ecks | https://euromomo.eu/uploads/images/graph-2020-18.jpg | 07:20 |
| Trippy72394 | So if we can just find a single state that publishes Feb or Mar or April total deaths, and we already know reported covid deaths, and we have 2017 deaths, then the tale will be told | 07:20 |
| ryouma | for the reported ones | 07:21 |
| Julius5 | ecks, your graph shows the numbers of deaths didn't change much | 07:21 |
| kunikos | what ecks posted there shows almost double the rate there Julius5 .... this is why i can't pick... | 07:21 |
| ecks | not double, look at the y axis | 07:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:11 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia updates live: anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne as NSW and WA set to ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 07:21 |
| Julius5 | ecks, yes, I don't see more deaths in your graph | 07:21 |
| ecks | i recommend a pair of glasses | 07:22 |
| Julius5 | 2018 seems to be the worst (most deaths) in this graph | 07:22 |
| ecks | see your optician | 07:22 |
| Julius5 | ecks, seems you don't understand how to read such a graph | 07:22 |
| ecks | oh but i do | 07:22 |
| Julius5 | Apparently not | 07:22 |
| ecks | no u | 07:22 |
| Julius5 | You look at the hight of the peaks, and that's useless | 07:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kyrgyzstan: +71 cases (now 1002) since 23 hours ago — Uzbekistan: +38 cases (now 2387) since 16 hours ago — India: +131 cases (now 62939), +8 deaths (now 2109) since 10 hours ago — World: +248 cases (now 4.1 million), +8 deaths (now 280551) since an hour ago | 07:23 |
| ecks | who says I do? | 07:23 |
| ecks | i know you have to integrate under the curve | 07:23 |
| kunikos | ecks: i didn't mean double i just rounded. up i guess you could argue nearly 60% 70% but c'mon.. | 07:23 |
| Julius5 | Because you claim 2020 is worse, when actually your graph shows 2018 being the worst | 07:23 |
| ecks | of course you have to wait for the final numbers, but it's clear there will be a peak | 07:23 |
| ecks | even with these huge lockdowns | 07:23 |
| Julius5 | The lockdowns are quite useless anyway | 07:24 |
| Julius5 | There is a peak each year, so what? | 07:24 |
| Julius5 | People just needed to compare numbers to see how dangerous or not Corona is. Too hard for many | 07:25 |
| kunikos | Julius5: we also don't know the numbers because of lack of testing. so there is that as well. | 07:26 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, you know the number of deaths, which is probably too high anyway. And even this high number seems to be quite decent | 07:27 |
| Mr_Pink | lol what | 07:27 |
| Mr_Pink | this channel brings about some real idiots from time to time | 07:27 |
| Julius5 | You could also know the deaths by age, which probably shows mostly old people die. But this numbers are hard to find for some countries. On purpuse? | 07:28 |
| Mr_Pink | yes definitely on purpose | 07:28 |
| Mr_Pink | its a conspiracy havent you watched plandemic | 07:28 |
| Mr_Pink | open your third eye | 07:29 |
| ecks | old people are expendable anyway! | 07:29 |
| Julius5 | I know it's a conspiracy, it's obvious. Conspiracy, idiocracy or mass panic | 07:29 |
| kunikos | Julius5: I honestly don't know if what i "know" is true or not it's always changing. but i mean if you're seeing something different please share. i would love nothing more than for good news to be thrown my way. | 07:29 |
| Julius5 | ecks, no one said that. But why would I be afraid when old people die from Corona instead from the flu? How does it matter | 07:30 |
| ecks | even if you don't believe in excess mortality, are the ICU numbers also fake? are ICUs not stretched to the brim right now? | 07:30 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, that's good. Most people are too sure about what they "know", like Mr_Pink for example | 07:30 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, why do you need good news. What's bad at the moment? | 07:31 |
| Mr_Pink | lmao yes because denying everything is skepticism not just gullibility | 07:31 |
| Julius5 | Mr_Pink, you're the one denying the data, not me | 07:31 |
| Mr_Pink | lmao ky | 07:31 |
| Mr_Pink | i aint denyin shit | 07:31 |
| Mr_Pink | im just laughing at your dumb ass | 07:31 |
| Mr_Pink | thank god the virus will take you people | 07:32 |
| Mr_Pink | HURRY UPP CULL THOSE MASSES BABY | 07:32 |
| kunikos | Julius5: just my some of my family members are depicted as "high risk" and i mean i guess i would love to know that they can be safe and live a little while longer is all. no one wan'ts to live in a fear of russian rullet this game of "whos is gonna die today" hahah | 07:32 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, just don't let them be ventelated and everything will be good | 07:34 |
| Mr_Pink | god cant even spell it right or use the proper vernacular | 07:34 |
| Mr_Pink | intubated. the word you're looking for is intubated | 07:35 |
| Julius5 | Venilated is the right word, not intubated. Thanks | 07:36 |
| Mr_Pink | venilated? lmao | 07:36 |
| Mr_Pink | again. no | 07:36 |
| Mr_Pink | you missed a t, and thats not the proper term lmao | 07:36 |
| kunikos | guys lol this is semantics. i can barely spell myself. the key problem here is the virus, the information, and our leadership... | 07:37 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, why do you worry because your relatives are in a Corona risk ground, and then the flu kills more people than Corona, and those are basically the same risk groups, and you never worried about that? | 07:37 |
| kunikos | this is what media wants. devide. | 07:37 |
| Mr_Pink | the flu does not kill more people than the fucking 'rona what the fuck lmao | 07:38 |
| ecks | it's not like the ICUs are intubating people for fun | 07:38 |
| Mr_Pink | the flu took like 6 months to kill 35,000 ppl | 07:38 |
| Julius5 | Yes, I misspelled ventilated, correct | 07:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Hungary: +50 cases (now 3263), +8 deaths (now 413) since a day ago — World: +84 cases (now 4.1 million), +8 deaths (now 280559) since 21 minutes ago — Bulgaria: +34 cases (now 1955) since 14 hours ago | 07:38 |
| Mr_Pink | the rona has done double that in half the time stop being a fuckin pleb | 07:38 |
| ecks | yes, it's not a perfect solution and many don't survive it, but there are really no alternatives when the patient decompensates fast | 07:38 |
| Mr_Pink | "ohhh but the numbers are inflated" | 07:38 |
| Mr_Pink | god go ventilate yourself like the end of fight club | 07:38 |
| kunikos | Julius5: seriously if you could show me what your seeing that i'm not. i would seriously seriously read it. i'm all about just finding the truth. fuck dems. fuck republicans. i just care about my family, friends, and comunity. | 07:39 |
| Julius5 | ecks, wrong | 07:39 |
| ecks | so what do you do when a patient is saturating 60% at 60 L/min optiflow? | 07:39 |
| ecks | give them a tylenol? | 07:39 |
| Mr_Pink | Julius5 if the lockdowns are useless and the rona is fake will u please go visit a meat factory then your grandparents | 07:39 |
| Mr_Pink | make sure to hug them tight | 07:40 |
| Mr_Pink | really get those particles all over em | 07:40 |
| kunikos | guys. lets not make fun. really. lets let it be about the truth. if Julius5 has some info that can "debunk" the episode. why not let him share? | 07:40 |
| Mr_Pink | ecks you are wayyyy above his pay grade now lmao | 07:40 |
| Mr_Pink | inb4 he says "put them on their stomach!" | 07:40 |
| Mr_Pink | "give them hydrochloroquine!" | 07:40 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, I see that up to 650k (flu) is more than 280k (corona so far, but probably not rising that much anymore), quite easy. I see basically the same risk groups and no one ever cared for the flu (which is kinda wrong, but still no reason to worry or even panic) | 07:41 |
| Mr_Pink | kunikos im not making fun of him i pity his dumb ass | 07:41 |
| Mr_Pink | he's not giving us anything he's just being a contrarian | 07:41 |
| Julius5 | Mr_Pink, I just came back from staying 2 weeks at my parents, that are 71 years old. My grandparents are long dead | 07:41 |
| Mr_Pink | throwing out random numbers with no backing because it feels right | 07:41 |
| Mr_Pink | congrats, needed money again? | 07:42 |
| Julius5 | Please grow up, troll | 07:42 |
| Mr_Pink | says the guy who has to stay with his parents | 07:42 |
| Mr_Pink | and that wasnt a no! | 07:42 |
| kunikos | Julius5: with all do respect. this is all just information that you're writing to me, please give me a source. you want to change my mind. id love to have my mind change. i think it would be wonderful news to know that this is a hoax. yes bad but wonderful at the same time so that we could move on. | 07:42 |
| ryouma | come on guys you can do better than this | 07:42 |
| Julius5 | It's called visiting the family. You knew that if you had any | 07:42 |
| ecks | Julius5, how do you treat a patient who is rapidly desaturating even with a high-flow nasal cannula? | 07:43 |
| Mr_Pink | ^ | 07:43 |
| Mr_Pink | lmao grow up troll i do have family too! and i dont even have to beg them for money! | 07:43 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, you know google, right? Takes you like 30 second to google those numbers | 07:43 |
| Mr_Pink | post it then | 07:43 |
| Mr_Pink | you know CTRL+V right? | 07:43 |
| kunikos | Julius5: yes. you know google pulls up mix results right? | 07:43 |
| Mr_Pink | Julius5 answer ecks | 07:43 |
| kunikos | Julius5: id like for you to provide this "set" of info that you claim so dear to you. | 07:43 |
| Julius5 | kunixkos, it's not a hoax. It's deadly, like the flu! The panic and stupidity is real as well, sadly | 07:44 |
| kunikos | Julius5: that would have you to believe that this is not a real threat. | 07:44 |
| Mr_Pink | hes saying its a real threat but its also not? | 07:44 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, but it is a real threat, like the flu | 07:44 |
| Mr_Pink | even tho its killed twice the people in US of a normal flu season, in less than half the time | 07:44 |
| Mr_Pink | but the flu has killed more he says | 07:44 |
| kunikos | Julius5: wouldn't that make it doulbe the threat? | 07:44 |
| kunikos | like if you have 1 flue than another flue comes | 07:44 |
| kunikos | that's like double trouble man | 07:45 |
| Mr_Pink | he's become so convoluted he's running over his own words now | 07:45 |
| Julius5 | Mr_Pink, since it killed not even half the people of some flu seasons worldwide, doesn't this show how bad the system in the US is? | 07:45 |
| Mr_Pink | lmao no | 07:45 |
| Mr_Pink | not at all | 07:45 |
| Mr_Pink | how the fuck are u even getting there | 07:45 |
| Mr_Pink | this truly boggles the mind | 07:45 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, there are vaccines for the flu and even with those vaccines more people die from the flu. Doesn't that sound way more dangerous? | 07:45 |
| Mr_Pink | how are u comparing US numbers to world numbers like that | 07:46 |
| kunikos | okay okay. look. flu, covid19, hoax, threat, not threat.... you guys have to admit.... this is one freaken hell of a time right now. | 07:46 |
| Mr_Pink | because this many died in france, it shows the US is fucked? | 07:46 |
| Mr_Pink | you're fashioning an argument with both apples and oranges. | 07:46 |
| Mr_Pink | are you a theology major lmao | 07:46 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, learn to read and learn to calculate and some basic stochasitc, and you're good | 07:46 |
| Mr_Pink | learn to calculate what you havent given anybody anything | 07:47 |
| kunikos | Julius5: dude i think i read too much | 07:47 |
| kunikos | Julius5: that's why i cna't make up my mind | 07:47 |
| Mr_Pink | you make statements that dont even back themselves up then u go "GOOGLE IT" | 07:47 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, I meant read numbers, not words | 07:47 |
| Mr_Pink | give them numbers to calculate. | 07:47 |
| kunikos | i did | 07:47 |
| kunikos | the numbers change depending on who you talk to | 07:47 |
| kunikos | the graph looks different depending on who you talk to | 07:47 |
| kunikos | it's like WTF.... | 07:47 |
| kunikos | what needs to stop is all this fighting... | 07:48 |
| kunikos | we need to figure out what is going on. | 07:48 |
| Julius5 | Even Italy's government "confessed" that 94% of the people who were reported to have died from Covid-19 in the beginning haven't died from Covid-19 | 07:48 |
| Mr_Pink | where | 07:48 |
| Mr_Pink | show us | 07:48 |
| Mr_Pink | show me the 94% | 07:48 |
| Mr_Pink | i want to see 94% in writing from a respectable site | 07:48 |
| ecks | probably infowars or rt | 07:48 |
| Julius5 | I am not here to google for you or calculate for you or think for you. Start doing it yourself | 07:48 |
| Mr_Pink | because ur a fucking troll or an idiot i havent decided | 07:49 |
| ryouma | i can't go along with that. you made the claim. | 07:49 |
| Mr_Pink | there's literally no information to back up your facts | 07:49 |
| kunikos | Julius5: yeah but it depends on what you mean by "already dying" like is having diabties "already dying" is asthma "already dying"...... it doesn't sound like the flue when it's these people dropping like flies as well. | 07:49 |
| Mr_Pink | i just tried googling it for you | 07:49 |
| kunikos | this is what i'm saying look. stats always lie | 07:49 |
| kunikos | you can't trust them. | 07:49 |
| Mr_Pink | stats dont always lie | 07:50 |
| Mr_Pink | if u think stats are always lying then you're a lost cause | 07:50 |
| Mr_Pink | and these are stats that Julius5 is pulling out of their ass and not even sourcing correctly. | 07:50 |
| Mr_Pink | so yes, Julius5's stats always lie i'll give you that | 07:50 |
| Julius5 | Sorry, it was 96%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Italy under "Statistics", linking to another source. Look for yourself | 07:50 |
| kunikos | if you give any stat you can arrange an arguement as to why the data is sufficient to describe the scenario accurately. | 07:50 |
| Julius5 | I am not here to argue with morons | 07:50 |
| Mr_Pink | You're posting FALSEHOODS | 07:51 |
| Mr_Pink | that doesnt say what u say it says | 07:51 |
| Julius5 | It does | 07:51 |
| Mr_Pink | no it fucking doesnt | 07:51 |
| Mr_Pink | if u thought it did you'd actually post the quote | 07:51 |
| Mr_Pink | All that says is that a lot of the dead had pre-existing conditions, something we've already known and why we deem certain people "high risk" | 07:52 |
| Mr_Pink | You're extrapolating some bullshit out of something its not conveying. | 07:52 |
| kunikos | dude italy has 133,426 cases according to this website. and 30,395 of them died. that's a 23% death rate. of course this doesn't account for the rest of the active cases. but the samples size os sufficent to compare that of what the CDC would consider an adequet amount... | 07:52 |
| Mr_Pink | That's only the tested yes | 07:53 |
| kunikos | so it's like seeing these numbers i can't say that i can easily agree with you Julius5. | 07:53 |
| ecks | Italy has 218,000 cases | 07:53 |
| kunikos | ecks: that's there total cases | 07:53 |
| ecks | 133,426 closed cases (dead + recovered) | 07:53 |
| ryouma | %data italy | 07:53 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In all areas, Italy, there have been 218268 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 30395 deaths (13.9% of cases) as of 13 hours ago. 2.5 million tests were performed (8.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data. | 07:53 |
| kunikos | ecks: i was excplicitly talking aboute their closed cases | 07:53 |
| ecks | ok | 07:53 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, which numbers? | 07:53 |
| kunikos | https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/ | 07:54 |
| kunikos | this is the website | 07:54 |
| Julius5 | Why are you talking about cases? This number is completely useless | 07:54 |
| Mr_Pink | notice how Julius5 has abandoned the 96% | 07:54 |
| kunikos | Julius5: well what other data do you have to go off of? | 07:54 |
| Mr_Pink | he pivots onto the next argument | 07:54 |
| Mr_Pink | a classic technique | 07:54 |
| kunikos | i shared my data with you at least | 07:54 |
| kunikos | why not share with me your data? | 07:55 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, you can get any number of "Cases" that you want by doing more or less tests. This number is useless and just used to scare the public | 07:55 |
| Mr_Pink | that number is not used to scare the public lmao | 07:55 |
| Mr_Pink | god | 07:55 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, what data do you want? | 07:55 |
| kunikos | Julius5: see now how do you know this? | 07:55 |
| ryouma | to what end? | 07:55 |
| Mr_Pink | its very obvious by you being a person that scientists cant be held responsible for how idiots misinterpret their information. | 07:56 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, because when you test 3 times more you will get 3 times more "cases". You don't have to be a genius to see that | 07:56 |
| Mr_Pink | still waiting for that 96% | 07:56 |
| tinwhiskers | my suspicion is that Julius5 is just trolling. | 07:56 |
| Mr_Pink | and yeah u test 3 more times and guess what, the death rate goes down | 07:56 |
| Mr_Pink | he is 100% trolling at this point | 07:56 |
| tinwhiskers | the numbers are still a useful relative measure if not absolute | 07:56 |
| Mr_Pink | yeah and they're in flux and no scientist thinks these are concrete. | 07:57 |
| tinwhiskers | they are certainly not perfect | 07:57 |
| ryouma | what is your goal, Julius5? | 07:58 |
| Julius5 | tinwhiskers, how are the number a good measure? They are a really bad measure, more like a random number not good for anything | 07:58 |
| tinwhiskers | why are you here Julius5? | 07:58 |
| Julius5 | ryouma, world dominance, like very night | 07:58 |
| Mr_Pink | troll | 07:58 |
| Julius5 | tinwhiskers, it's a chat | 07:58 |
| Mr_Pink | we're literally the only people in this world willing to talk to him | 07:58 |
| Mr_Pink | his options are limited | 07:58 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | does don't feed the troll ring a bell? | 07:59 |
| tinwhiskers | the data are not entirely useless. they do provide somethingn that is better than nothing in terms of trends within a country | 07:59 |
| Julius5 | humbel, that's why I'm not talking to Pink anymore | 07:59 |
| Mr_Pink | even his parents kicked him out of their house after only two weeks and he's gotta make his internet time at the shelter count | 07:59 |
| Mr_Pink | no ur not talking to me because u got called out on your bullshit 96% | 07:59 |
| Julius5 | tinwhiskers, that is incorrect. Not knowing is better than thinking to know when you don't | 07:59 |
| tinwhiskers | ridiculous | 08:00 |
| Mr_Pink | Just once I'd like you to sound like you think you don't know something. | 08:00 |
| Julius5 | Pink, then ask something I don't know | 08:00 |
| kunikos | lol omg... idk why we can't just all look at all the same web pages together and objectively say "true, true, false, true, true, false" | 08:00 |
| Mr_Pink | What went wrong in your life that has you spouting conspiracies in an IRC chat in 2020 | 08:00 |
| Mr_Pink | if you can figure out the answer to that, i think your life will be much improved. | 08:00 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, because in here most people are idiots and trolls, and those who aren't can't calculate or don't understand statistics | 08:01 |
| kunikos | i came to the IRC chat to get away from the fake news shit too. i hope it's not any of that..... | 08:01 |
| kunikos | or does that still happen on IRC shit now? | 08:01 |
| Mr_Pink | i read that 96% of Juliuses have no idea what they're talking about | 08:01 |
| Mr_Pink | i saw it on wikipedia | 08:01 |
| Mr_Pink | prove me wrong google it | 08:02 |
| Julius5 | kunikos, people are brainwashed, even in here. You can't get away from that. You have to think critically for yourself, always | 08:02 |
| Julius5 | Pink, might be true. So what | 08:02 |
| Mr_Pink | ugh dumb ppl confusing gullibility with critical thinking because they believe the 1 guy in the tinfoil vs the sea of scientists is hilarious | 08:02 |
| ryouma | was Julius5 here tonight for the first time? | 08:03 |
| Julius5 | ryouma, no | 08:03 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, if this wasn't just so ridiculous I'd be quieting you for spreading FUD | 08:03 |
| Mr_Pink | what is FUD haha | 08:03 |
| Mr_Pink | is that an acronym | 08:03 |
| tinwhiskers | in fact... I'm really not liking the way this is going, so let's change subject | 08:03 |
| Mr_Pink | oh i found it | 08:03 |
| Mr_Pink | Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt | 08:03 |
| Julius5 | Uncertainty is good | 08:04 |
| Julius5 | And doubt as well | 08:04 |
| tinwhiskers | do you have anything constructive to say Julius5? | 08:04 |
| Julius5 | tinwhiskers, does "Grow up!" count? | 08:04 |
| tinwhiskers | nope | 08:04 |
| Julius5 | I knew it | 08:04 |
| kunikos | lol | 08:04 |
| kunikos | you guys... | 08:04 |
| Julius5 | Still the best advice for most people | 08:04 |
| ecks | self-awareness is good | 08:05 |
| Julius5 | It's funny how China is already doing normal business even in Wuhan, while the rest of the world suffers from a mass panic and stupid leaders | 08:06 |
| kunikos | we don't know that either | 08:06 |
| kunikos | how can we trust anythign china says | 08:06 |
| kunikos | they even removed our media from there. | 08:07 |
| kunikos | we don't have any real good insiders there. just what they tell us. | 08:07 |
| Mr_Pink | Beijing just shut down all their gyms at the end of April again because of fears of a resurgence. But yeah they're 100% fine not even washing their hands according to JulHer[m] | 08:07 |
| Mr_Pink | *Julius5 sorry JulHer[m] | 08:08 |
| kunikos | man i need a new keyboard. | 08:08 |
| Mr_Pink | They still have the 2 week quarantine iirc as well. Although that really should be extended to 21 days at least. Very much in the minority to be shedding after 3 weeks but still possible. | 08:08 |
| kunikos | dude... did you guys see that new stim package??! isn't that shit wild?! | 08:09 |
| ryouma | no | 08:10 |
| ryouma | tell u | 08:10 |
| ryouma | s | 08:10 |
| Mr_Pink | which one? there's been a few proposals | 08:10 |
| kunikos | it's like 2000 a month. | 08:10 |
| kunikos | or something like that | 08:10 |
| Mr_Pink | ahh yeah that was first proposed a couple weeks ago at least | 08:10 |
| kunikos | the one that burnie and the 2 other people propose | 08:10 |
| ryouma | that is enormous | 08:10 |
| Mr_Pink | there's been 2 bills with the $2000/mo | 08:10 |
| Mr_Pink | there's also a $1000/mo bill on the table in the House. | 08:10 |
| kunikos | wow. | 08:10 |
| kunikos | so hard to keep track man. | 08:10 |
| kunikos | seriously. | 08:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:00 UTC: Can antibody testing deliver on promises to lift the lockdown?: As hundreds of test kits claim to offer accurate results on previous Covid-19 infection, scientists around the world are working hard to assess their accuracy → https://is.gd/NZtSOQ | 08:10 |
| kunikos | ugh... i just haven't gotton any word back from unemployment yet. | 08:11 |
| Mr_Pink | ahh man that sucks. | 08:11 |
| kunikos | yeah... $150.. to my name man... no word.. don't know whats gonna happen... | 08:12 |
| Mr_Pink | I haven't needed the UI out here but my friends have spoken about it positively. I've been very lucky to be in CA tho just in general with all this. | 08:14 |
| Mr_Pink | Now the PPP loans, thats a whole other shitshow lmao | 08:14 |
| kunikos | yeah dude wtf is with that i heard banks made 10 billion in processing loans for that shit. i could be wrong though knowing how info is around here. | 08:16 |
| kunikos | i'm in CA too. and our UI is shit. | 08:16 |
| kunikos | can't get access to it at all. | 08:16 |
| Mr_Pink | oh weird. i havent heard any negatives among the friend group that has been hit the hardest. a lot of service workers. | 08:17 |
| Mr_Pink | this is anecdotal but a friend who works at a local hospital (Scripps) is starting to see a spike associated with the soft openings | 08:18 |
| kunikos | well it's partially due to a mix up. but even "contacting the UI office was impossible for the last 10 years even before covid" - said someone i talked to at CA Directory office. | 08:19 |
| Mr_Pink | 11 cases last week. 38 as of thursday | 08:19 |
| Mr_Pink | yeah kunikos and its wayyyyy worse for other states that make it a point to underfund services for those in need | 08:19 |
| kunikos | yeah which always begs the question then to me Mr_Pink... it's like why do we give these bastards our money.... lol xD | 08:21 |
| ryouma | Mr_Pink: so will they close down again on time or are they going to ignore the numbers | 08:21 |
| ryouma | the numbers lag | 08:22 |
| Mr_Pink | lmao kunikos | 08:23 |
| Mr_Pink | ryouma im not sure. and compared to a lot of states we've been sort of safe out here. lot of idiots going to all the beaches and such tho | 08:23 |
| Mr_Pink | weve had so many ppl at these cliffs that are a popular draw that ppl are falling off the side and needing rescue lmao | 08:23 |
| Mr_Pink | I live in San Diego with a dipshit Republican mayor so I'm hoping he doesn't do anything too stupid and defy the state orders. | 08:24 |
| Mr_Pink | I'm from Riverside County tho and YIKES that place is gonna get wrecked and as somebody who lived there for like 23 years, they deserve every bit | 08:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:03 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia updates live: anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne as NSW and WA set to ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 08:24 |
| Mr_Pink | the sheriff was proudly saying how he wont enforce the order and such. ok have fun dying | 08:25 |
| Julius5 | Pink is still trolling, I see | 08:27 |
| Mr_Pink | dude what | 08:27 |
| Mr_Pink | all we can really do is just stay safe and hope the people we care about are doing the same | 08:27 |
| Mr_Pink | Julius5 still waiting on that 96% clarification | 08:27 |
| Julius5 | Pink, still waiting for trolls like you to grow up | 08:27 |
| Mr_Pink | tinwhiskers does this count for constructive lmao | 08:27 |
| Mr_Pink | Julius5 unnecessary attack but go off, brotha. | 08:28 |
| Mr_Pink | just for shits and gigs, where was i trolling? | 08:28 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | maybe he is republican ^^ | 08:28 |
| Mr_Pink | nah he's too galaxy brain for that | 08:29 |
| Mr_Pink | "both sides are the exact same mannnnnn" | 08:29 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | !cases usa | 08:31 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 1,347,309 cases as of 2020-05-10 05:52:00 UTC. Of these 1,029,194 (76.4%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 238,078 (17.7%) have definitely recovered and 80,037 (5.9%) have died. | 08:31 |
| tinwhiskers | Mr_Pink: I don't tend to justify myself these days. If I decide someone is disrupting the channel or just behaving in a way that is contrary to the desired atmosphere I'll just quiet them. I didn't think you were the one trolling but you weren't helping either. | 08:31 |
| Mr_Pink | see now thats a fair point | 08:31 |
| Mr_Pink | and i wasnt attacking u or anything i was just pointing and laughing at him returning out of the blue to start crap again | 08:32 |
| Julius5 | Cases are BS number | 08:32 |
| Mr_Pink | hwga | 08:32 |
| Julius5 | Whoever takes about cases is a moron | 08:32 |
| Mr_Pink | whoever takes yes | 08:32 |
| tinwhiskers | I assume that was a request to be quieted after what I just said. | 08:33 |
| Mr_Pink | rip | 08:33 |
| Mr_Pink | and just like that, he became what he feared the most, a statistic. | 08:34 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 08:34 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | well, a toy less | 08:34 |
| pwr22 | So much conspiracy shit going on these days | 08:36 |
| pwr22 | Like this Alex Jones guy | 08:36 |
| pwr22 | Seems like they've got some mental health issues going on to me | 08:37 |
| pwr22 | Was talking about eating his neighbours recently 🙄 | 08:37 |
| Birrosso | Is a mental health issue the most-likely explanation? | 08:37 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | the most fake news and conspiracy spreading dudes, got mental issues.... | 08:38 |
| Birrosso | Okay, talking about eating your neighbours is a step too far. | 08:38 |
| Mr_Pink | also they make a lot of good money | 08:38 |
| Mr_Pink | selling garbage to their followers | 08:38 |
| Mr_Pink | There's a really interesting podcast/episode from This American Life about the origin of Alex Jones. This reporter went and talked to childhood friends and foes | 08:38 |
| kunikos | if you just take what the CovBot just put out and (80,037 / (238,078 + 80,037) * 100) = %25.16 death rate based off of the current numbers. the CDC goes by a sample rate of per 100k to dictate any death rate... we have well over that sample size. has the death rate been decreasing in the projections?!??! yes!! but we've also social distanced... so i don't get the arguement here.... | 08:38 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | literally making gold out of shit, yeah | 08:38 |
| Mr_Pink | He used to break pens and make his tongue black from ink and shout about how he was the devil and such | 08:38 |
| Birrosso | Mental issues don't seem to be the most-probable cause to me. | 08:39 |
| Mr_Pink | https://www.thisamericanlife.org/670/beware-the-jabberwock/act-two-4 | 08:39 |
| Mr_Pink | the whole Beware the Jabberwock ep is good but thats the Alex Jones bit in case anybody finds themselves needing a podcast in the future lmao | 08:39 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | well, could be that just the followers have mental issues... but it's clear, someone have | 08:40 |
| Mr_Pink | hah yeah | 08:40 |
| Birrosso | Could be that they're just ignorant and/or misinformed. | 08:40 |
| Mr_Pink | whynotboth.gif | 08:40 |
| Birrosso | And/or they live in a certain bubble. | 08:40 |
| Birrosso | Doesn't have to be a mental issue. | 08:41 |
| Birrosso | Not in the clinical sense. | 08:41 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | if you try to inform them, they get angry | 08:41 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | <Mr_Pink "whynotboth.gif"> hehe | 08:42 |
| Mr_Pink | Its quite fascinating to me. How often, and without trying to sound rude, "dumb" people think they're being smart by questioning everything, regardless of the multitudes of evidence. | 08:43 |
| Mr_Pink | humans love connections and patterns. its why we see animals in clouds. or are sure our phone is listening to us because we got a Jim Beam ad on Facebook 3 days after we drank Jim Beam | 08:44 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | if someone really thinks, corona comes from G5 cellphones.... cmon.. | 08:44 |
| Mr_Pink | PROVE IT DOESNT no i kid i kid | 08:44 |
| Mr_Pink | thats my favorite too | 08:44 |
| Mr_Pink | "well i believe this so PROVE A NEGATIVE" | 08:45 |
| Birrosso | I meaaaaaaaan | 08:45 |
| Birrosso | We're not experts. | 08:45 |
| Birrosso | Just saying. | 08:45 |
| Mr_Pink | I am. | 08:45 |
| Birrosso | How can I be sure of that? | 08:45 |
| Mr_Pink | I've had a Huawei phone for over a year and my Chinese spy that listens to me 24/7 and I have formed an unspoken friendship. | 08:45 |
| Mr_Pink | He knows I'm always there for him, and him for me. | 08:45 |
| Birrosso | HBut how do you know he exists? | 08:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 06:40 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Leronlimab Mechanism of Action Against Coronavirus → https://is.gd/Yi6Oqu | 08:46 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and the guys spreaing such shit... are often just sociopaths that wuld even steal money from their own grandma | 08:46 |
| Mr_Pink | the amount of money you see in it is amaizng weimarnetzbot[m] | 08:46 |
| Mr_Pink | This guy Tim Pool that I used to enjoy for his Occupy Wall St coverage wayyyy back in the day has gone completely galaxy brain contrarian. | 08:46 |
| Mr_Pink | He's selling buckets of apocalypse food now | 08:46 |
| Mr_Pink | and "testing" facebook's "oppressive tactics" by posting the CIA whistleblowers name and seeing what happens. real crack journalism. | 08:47 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | the "prepper" scene in germany had a boost too from that virus | 08:47 |
| Mr_Pink | As somebody who's always looking to make a quick buck, I wish the left was able to be monetized as well as the right is. | 08:47 |
| Mr_Pink | I'm not trying to be partisan, its just true. There's wayyyyy more t-shirts, mugs, other nonsense being sold on one side than the other. | 08:48 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | if you google the wrong shit, you get ads for backpacks with all the stuff you need | 08:48 |
| Mr_Pink | I've considered selling my soul and making money off it too but contrary to popular belief, i do have standards. | 08:48 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and don't forget what happend to bart simpson, after he selled hia soul to milhouse ;-) | 08:49 |
| kunikos | alright good night you guys | 08:49 |
| kunikos | see you guys later good luck and stay safe out there. | 08:49 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | =) n8 | 08:50 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | heh, 8:50 AM here... | 08:50 |
| Mr_Pink | 11:50 here! | 08:50 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | PM i guess | 08:50 |
| Mr_Pink | weimarnetzbot[m] and then he sold em for ALF POGS! | 08:50 |
| Mr_Pink | *sold it | 08:50 |
| Mr_Pink | i guess a soul isnt plural lmao | 08:51 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | hehe, yeah | 08:51 |
| Birrosso | http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html | 08:51 |
| Birrosso | Use UGT please. | 08:51 |
| Mr_Pink | lmao ive never seen that thats great | 08:51 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | conspiracy to steal us the time! | 08:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +9 cases (now 635) since 23 hours ago — Georgia (US), US: +8 cases (now 32590), +3 deaths (now 1404) since 6 hours ago — US: +9 cases (now 1.3 million), +3 deaths (now 80040) since 6 hours ago — World: +19 cases (now 4.1 million), +3 deaths (now 280562) since an hour ago | 08:53 |
| Mr_Pink | i always get crap from my east coast peeps in another channel for saying good morning if its the afternoon over there | 08:53 |
| Mr_Pink | my response is its morning where 85% of your agriculture comes from, and where all your movies and tv are made, SO ITS MORNING. | 08:54 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | Belarus is acting strange...... normally we have a group of children from belarus, living near the tschernobyl area (but in belarus) here every summer visiting our obervatory... but this year... mhhhhhhhh | 08:55 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | <Mr_Pink "my response is its morning where"> hehe | 08:56 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | well, if you would life in northern germany, you could say "moin moin" (morning morning), 24/7 | 08:56 |
| Mr_Pink | oooo moin moin i like it | 08:57 |
| pwr22 | Mr_Pink: thanks for sharing that podcast on Alex Jone's origins. I'll give it a listen | 09:00 |
| Mr_Pink | its really good! the bit before it too that goes into a guy who's son is used by Jones' supporters as "proof" that Sandy Hook was faked is really good too. | 09:01 |
| pwr22 | My flatmate and I listen to infowars as comedy / entertainment then have philosophical discussions about whether it's driven by finances or madness | 09:01 |
| Mr_Pink | definitely a bit of both haha | 09:01 |
| Mr_Pink | I have a legal podcast i like called Opening Arguments that has an offshoot where they discuss how the law is represented in movies called Law'd Awful Movies. | 09:02 |
| Mr_Pink | They did an episode where they played and commented on the Alex Jones Sandy Hook deposition | 09:02 |
| Mr_Pink | it was wild. his legal team was nuts too haha | 09:02 |
| pwr22 | He's used Deus Ex as an argument that the conspiracies are true. Which is ironic as the games are based on the theories | 09:03 |
| pwr22 | The two latest ones even have a radio guy called Lazerus who is an Alex Jones impersonation | 09:04 |
| Mr_Pink | lmao I haven't heard of him | 09:04 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | well...with such a name... | 09:05 |
| pwr22 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUK8EMX25VI | 09:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | he must be sane =) | 09:05 |
| Mr_Pink | ohhhhh yeah i remember this | 09:06 |
| Butterfly^ | https://www.businessinsider.com/11-us-secret-service-agents-test-positive-for-the-coronavirus-2020-5 Title: 11 US Secret Service agents test positive for the coronavirus - Business Insider | 09:06 |
| Mr_Pink | man that game ruled | 09:06 |
| pwr22 | My favourite games | 09:06 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | undercover agents returning from wuhan where they infiltrated the scene disguised as bats | 09:07 |
| pwr22 | weimarnetzbot: check's out according to me | 09:07 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | "Trump has repeatedly said he is "not worried" about being infected by the virus but this week switched from getting tested weekly to a daily basis, amid concerns that it is spreading in the White House." hehehe | 09:09 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | maybe soon the dead house | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:05 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia updates live: anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne as NSW and WA set to ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 09:14 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | the now so famous R value for germany is again over 1... 1,1 now | 09:17 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | the idea was to bring that down to 0,6 or even 0,3 | 09:18 |
| Mr_Pink | oof yeah weimarnetzbot[m] | 09:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ukraine: +522 cases (now 15232), +15 deaths (now 391) since a day ago — Singapore: +876 cases (now 23336) since 23 hours ago — Armenia: +138 cases (now 3313), +1 deaths (now 45) since a day ago — World: +1545 cases (now 4.1 million), +16 deaths (now 280578) since 41 minutes ago | 09:23 |
| Mr_Pink | its crazy how quickly it can spiral too just at 1.1 | 09:23 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | yep, and now with all that lockdown easing, came that week and the following.. we will see the problem in 2-4 weeks | 09:24 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | 2-3 incubation times later | 09:24 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | we had R back to 0,7 I guess | 09:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:17 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: 100 days later: How did Britain fail so badly in dealing with Covid-19? → https://is.gd/cO4I2j | 09:27 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | from the last weeks we know, that the registered number of new infections is lower at the end of the week, coz the logistic chain thats not working after friday lunchtime | 09:28 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | so the 677 cases today..... are more something like 1600 | 09:28 |
| Mr_Pink | eesh ya | 09:28 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | I win a bet, if the number of new infections riases over 3400 per day after school openings | 09:29 |
| Mr_Pink | lmao | 09:29 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | I'am not happy to win that, but at least I have some jever beer then =) | 09:29 |
| Mr_Pink | i was at a bar and this dude thought i was being nuts about this whole covid thing, back in early March | 09:29 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ive learned to bet agaist what you like... so you always win ^^ | 09:29 |
| Mr_Pink | He was like "put money on it. what, 10,000 dead in the US in 2 months?" i said "fuck that. 20,000." | 09:29 |
| Mr_Pink | this was March 10th. | 09:29 |
| Mr_Pink | I should've stacked the bet | 09:29 |
| Mr_Pink | could've made it 4 times over | 09:30 |
| Mr_Pink | gonna hit 80,000 today and May 10th was the cutoff day | 09:30 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | btw... they now found that a lot of covid deaths are related to blood clot | 09:31 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | could be possible to therapy that | 09:32 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | maybe just a few more thrombosis syringes | 09:32 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | if you are staying in a german hospital for more than 1-2 days, you normally get such stuff... how about US or UK or AUS? | 09:33 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | or rest of the world? | 09:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 07:18 UTC: Coronavirus: Taiwan today announced no new cases of coronavirus, meaning the country has gone 28 days without reporting a single local transmission. → https://is.gd/pmKWRq | 09:34 |
| Mr_Pink | yeah weimarnetzbot[m] ive seen some early reporting on that. might be why we're seeing heart issues. | 09:38 |
| Mr_Pink | often the heart is under added stress while dealing with other sicknesses, especially respiratory because you're getting less oxygen overall. | 09:39 |
| Mr_Pink | there's just so many unknowns still | 09:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 07:19 UTC: worldnews: Coronavirus: Obama says US response a 'chaotic disaster' → https://is.gd/qrOZFk | 09:41 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | yep, seems it could be the main issue with all that heart and lung deaths.... maybe this explains the small deathrate in germany a bit..... at least if in other countries, patients don't get such meds soon | 09:42 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: 25-Hydroxyvitamin D Concentrations Are Lower in Patients with Positive PCR for SARS-CoV-2 (53 votes) | https://redd.it/gguit8 | 09:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:34 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia updates live: anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne as NSW and WA set to ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 09:48 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | mh | 09:48 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | vitD interesting | 09:50 |
| Mr_Pink | That Vitamin D stuff is also veryyy early. | 09:50 |
| Mr_Pink | correlation with no causation | 09:50 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | then we are back to the thesis that "summer" helps | 09:50 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but well, i would bet the ppl with less vitD are the ppl who lived not so healthie | 09:51 |
| Mr_Pink | exactly | 09:51 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | not much sun or fish and other seafood | 09:51 |
| Mr_Pink | :P https://i.imgur.com/GyBEUDo.png | 09:51 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | theres not much vit d in a burger | 09:52 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and even if you eat a fish burger... who knows if it's fish at all | 09:52 |
| Mr_Pink | oh god like "whitefish" in american sushi restaurants | 09:52 |
| Mr_Pink | or "white tuna" its sometimes called | 09:53 |
| Mr_Pink | its often escolar, a bottom dwelling fish that filters garbage waters and is thus like eating an unhealthy liver. | 09:53 |
| Mr_Pink | can get u kinda sick | 09:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +11012 cases (now 209688), +88 deaths (now 1915) since 23 hours ago — World: +11014 cases (now 4.1 million), +88 deaths (now 280666) since 34 minutes ago — Slovakia: +2 cases (now 1457) since a day ago | 09:53 |
| Mr_Pink | fk now i want sushi | 09:54 |
| Mr_Pink | damn Russia actually reporting some #s | 09:54 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ahh checked out at wikipedia... funny rename try for marketing reasons | 09:54 |
| Mr_Pink | my new favorite name for a mask: https://www.amazon.com/Protective-Mouth-muffle-Premium-5-layer-breathable/dp/B087WYP4N4/ | 09:55 |
| Mr_Pink | protective mouth muffle | 09:55 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | well, guess russia waited to the day of victory, before spreading panic with new numbers | 09:55 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | lol | 09:55 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but well, I guess in times of covid, it can't be a bad advice to go more into the sun and eat healthy | 09:59 |
| Mr_Pink | yeah i've seen 7 ppl since March 11th and I need to stop using the quarantine as an excuse and start eating a bit more healthy lmao | 10:00 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | we know about immunomodulatory effects for other diseases | 10:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:49 UTC: Melbourne: Ten arrested and police officer injured at protest against Victoria’s Covid-19 lockdown laws → https://is.gd/Q86w0H | 10:03 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | about the new numbers from russia.... there was a giant firework over moscow yesterday.... let's spread rumors about it! ^_^ | 10:04 |
| Mr_Pink | lmao | 10:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | maybe chinese fireworks are full of corona ^^ | 10:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | thats why they had no fireworks for the chinese new year! | 10:05 |
| Mr_Pink | LMAO. SNL has a new music video called "Let Kids Drink" in this quarantine | 10:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | they knew about it! | 10:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | lol | 10:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:10 UTC: Food bank app makes up for a collapse in donations: Bankuet sees massive growth as the lockdown clears long-life items from supermarket shelves → https://is.gd/o2bapI | 10:16 |
| aradesh | i doubt vit d and zinc and the like is going to make a huge difference for coronavirus. like, as if the human body after millions of years of evolution wouldn't have worked out that it could defeat viruses with a slight increase in a few common chemicals | 10:17 |
| Mr_Pink | There's been studies in the past about vitamin d as an immune system booster. | 10:18 |
| Mr_Pink | Its less about the human body working it out, and more about if the human is actually ingesting it. | 10:18 |
| Mr_Pink | I'm not saying it helps against 'rona, but like weimarnetzbot[m] said, if you are low on vitamin D you are probably also living unhealthy in other ways | 10:19 |
| Mr_Pink | we know antibiotics work, but ya still gotta take em :P | 10:19 |
| PlanckWalk | Millions of years of prehuman evolution probably occurred in large amounts of direct sunlight with no clothes. | 10:21 |
| Mr_Pink | yeajh | 10:22 |
| Mr_Pink | *yeah | 10:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Poland: +170 cases (now 15821), +6 deaths (now 791) since 16 hours ago — Oman: +175 cases (now 3399) since 23 hours ago — World: +427 cases (now 4.1 million), +6 deaths (now 280672) since 34 minutes ago — Isle of Man: +1 cases (now 330) since 2 days ago | 10:23 |
| Haley[mt][m] | The German system + low death rates linked to the anti-coagulant, I can confirm. They used it even in 2000. I had broken a leg at tat time, went to hospital for surgery, staued 5 days - yet had to take the anticoagulant injections for 6 weeks. | 10:28 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Wonder if the other countries realize that and start applying that the same procedure. | 10:28 |
| Mr_Pink | were they self administered after you were discharged | 10:29 |
| Mr_Pink | the injections | 10:29 |
| AC`97_ | WHOA | 10:30 |
| Mr_Pink | plenty of americans inject themselves with insulin but i was curious how that was handled since u mentioned discharge after 5 days, but injections for 6 weeks | 10:30 |
| Mr_Pink | calm down there Assassins Creed 1997 | 10:30 |
| AC`97_ | oh sorry | 10:30 |
| Mr_Pink | Realtek AC97 onboard just be cool | 10:30 |
| Mr_Pink | hahah sup | 10:30 |
| withorwithout | Haley[mt][m]: many countries are doing the same, yes | 10:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia updates live: anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne as NSW and WA set to ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest news → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 10:31 |
| Haley[mt][m] | @withorwithout : Why are there so many deaths in other countries then? | 10:31 |
| withorwithout | Haley[mt][m]: they are not testing as much and the age group being hit is different | 10:32 |
| withorwithout | also less room in hospitals | 10:32 |
| genera | .de got hit hard by Heinsberg and Ischgl ... and then? not much else? | 10:33 |
| withorwithout | Hamburg and Bavaria as well, I think | 10:33 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Well. Problem is the testing methodology. If not the same, results interpretation needs to be adapted. | 10:35 |
| Haley[mt][m] | France has a similar number of infections as germany has (at least they had it for a while). Yet the germans always had a third of the death rates france had. | 10:36 |
| Haley[mt][m] | The again,, French people are not disciplined at all. | 10:36 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | german angst was helpful with the discipline here | 10:38 |
| aradesh | i think in the UK people are taking the lockdown measures less and less seriously by the day | 10:38 |
| aradesh | it's kind of depressing how fucked our response has been | 10:38 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Lol. Yeah, must be the reason I left the country 12 years ago to go live in france ;) | 10:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Philippines: +184 cases (now 10794), +15 deaths (now 719) since a day ago — Indonesia: +387 cases (now 14032), +14 deaths (now 973) since 23 hours ago — Israel: +4 cases (now 16458), +1 deaths (now 248) since 14 hours ago — World: +581 cases (now 4.1 million), +30 deaths (now 280702) since 21 minutes ago | 10:39 |
| genera | haha | 10:39 |
| Haley[mt][m] | History will tell what the best response was. But no one will surpass trumps response to it all. | 10:39 |
| withorwithout | Haley[mt][m]: not only that, you can see France has been testing significantly less than Germany, so that means they probably have more cases if they tested similarly | 10:39 |
| genera | he has a response? | 10:39 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | the ol' blech injecta | 10:40 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | *a | 10:40 |
| genera | ooooh | 10:40 |
| aradesh | yeah the response from america has been... | 10:40 |
| Haley[mt][m] | > he has a response? | 10:40 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Well yes. Inject desinfectat. Don' t you listen to the news??? | 10:40 |
| aradesh | there are certain times where charisma and being the PR man for the country is all you need from a president. a pandemic apparently is not one of these cases. | 10:41 |
| aradesh | zero leadership. | 10:41 |
| genera | i heard it did not work for those who tried | 10:41 |
| Haley[mt][m] | > Haley[mt]: not only that, you can see France has been testing significantly less than Germany, so that means they probably have more cases if they tested similarly | 10:41 |
| Haley[mt][m] | How do we know that? | 10:41 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | guess trump had positive experience with bleach, when he bleached away the orang taint he had a few years ago | 10:41 |
| genera | well his PR is not so strong anyway | 10:41 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Well, it did. hey are not sick anymore :) | 10:41 |
| Haley[mt][m] | > well his PR is not so strong anyway | 10:42 |
| Haley[mt][m] | His PR is hilarious in late night shows. | 10:42 |
| Mr_Pink | That's crazy about Fauci and others in semi-lockdown now | 10:42 |
| aradesh | well i mean he mainly just talks about how greate america is and how well it's doing. that's what i mean by PR man | 10:42 |
| aradesh | great* | 10:42 |
| withorwithout | Haley[mt][m]: you can check the numbers, for example in the url in the topic of this channel, or you can also ask the Brainstorm bot or CoronaBot for the numbers (privately works better) | 10:42 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | yep, fauci and others in isolation now | 10:43 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | let's see when trump will get it | 10:43 |
| Haley[mt][m] | @withotwithout : Jow can I ask the bot? Never worked with a bot in the matrix network yet | 10:43 |
| Mr_Pink | I don't want him to die of it because martyr shit, but DAMNNNN i would love to see Katie and especially Stephen Miller eat shit from it lmao | 10:44 |
| withorwithout | Haley[mt][m]: for example Germany has 2.7M tests, while France has around 1.4M. And we know the cases number is proportional to the tests number | 10:44 |
| genera | !cases germany | 10:44 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | just trigger !cases countryname | 10:44 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Trump will not get it. When he should let the professionals handle it, he doesn' t get it. LIke a 10year old stomping on the ground: But I wannt! | 10:44 |
| CovBot | In Germany there have been a total of 171,324 cases as of 2020-05-10 08:18:00 UTC. Of these 19,375 (11.3%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 144,400 (84.3%) have definitely recovered and 7,549 (4.4%) have died. | 10:44 |
| genera | %cases germany | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | genera: In all areas, Germany, there have been 171324 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 7549 deaths (4.4% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 2.8 million tests were performed (6.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 5.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 10:44 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Thx | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:24 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia updates: anti-lockdown protest in Melbourne as NSW and WA set to ease Covid-19 restrictions – as it happened → https://is.gd/Bi0VPH | 10:45 |
| Hullo1 | Haley[mt][m], Bolsanaro's response is much worse than Trump's | 10:45 |
| Haley[mt][m] | %cases france | 10:45 |
| Brainstorm | Haley[mt][m]: In all areas, France, there have been 176658 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 26310 deaths (14.9% of cases) as of 13 hours ago. 1.4 million tests were performed (12.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 10:45 |
| aradesh | US will likely pass 80k deaths today | 10:45 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | or belarus | 10:45 |
| Haley[mt][m] | agreed | 10:45 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | belarus seems the worst to me atm | 10:45 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and the swedish way isn't so smart too | 10:46 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Bolsanaro is a nutcase, as are all heads of state that act like a dictator. | 10:46 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | %cases sweden | 10:46 |
| Brainstorm | weimarnetzbot[m]: In all areas, Sweden, there have been 25921 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 3220 deaths (12.4% of cases) as of 20 hours ago. 148500 tests were performed (17.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Sweden for time series data. | 10:46 |
| aradesh | yeah. looking at swedens graph of daily detected cases, it looks as though it might still be slowly increasing | 10:47 |
| aradesh | sweden's daily confirmed cases: https://x0.at/sph.png | 10:48 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | oly around 1/8 ppl as germany... but nearly 50% of the deaths | 10:48 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Host-viral infection maps reveal signatures of severe COVID-19 patients (50 votes) | https://redd.it/ggomrq | 10:48 |
| genera | reveal signatures?? | 10:49 |
| aradesh | "reveals the signatures of" | 10:49 |
| aradesh | actually i'm not sure | 10:50 |
| withorwithout | Haley[mt][m]: we could do a simple math thing (not correct but just for rough estimation). Those numbers could suggest that France actually should have more than 2 times the cases of Germany (in confirmed numbers) if they were testing similarly | 10:50 |
| aradesh | confusing headline grammar | 10:50 |
| PlanckWalk | If they're getting 17.5% positive tests, then they're not testing anywhere near enough people. | 10:51 |
| Haley[mt][m] | > Haley[mt]: we could do a simple math thing (not correct but just for rough estimation). Those numbers could suggest that France actually should have more than 2 times the cases of Germany (in confirmed numbers) if they were testing similarly | 10:51 |
| Haley[mt][m] | I don' t agree. The health-care system is totally different in both countries. In France, it is state controlled. The used meds are on a list the state has approved. | 10:51 |
| Haley[mt][m] | In germany, the medicine iis 2 level. PUbllic sector and private sector (which costs 3 to 4 times more). | 10:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 08:34 UTC: worldnews: China's president Xi Jinping 'personally asked WHO to hold back information about human-to-human transmission and delay a global pandemic warning' at the start of the COVID-19 outbreak, bombshell report claims → https://is.gd/l6M663 | 10:52 |
| Haley[mt][m] | You have way more experimental medicine in Germany's health system than in france. | 10:52 |
| Haley[mt][m] | So - talking of infections, maybe we could correlate something, but not the death cases. These are IMHO due to the different meds thay can use in Germany | 10:52 |
| PlanckWalk | We already know that France aren't tsting nearly as many as Germany. | 10:52 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | is that so? i always think we are so "slow" with such things | 10:52 |
| withorwithout | yes, that's why I said it was a rough estimation. And of course there are reasons why France isn't testing as much as others (France or Netherlands) | 10:52 |
| withorwithout | err, Germany or Netherlands | 10:53 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | thats ehy i'am so pissed, that they don't like to talk about plasma therapy here so much | 10:53 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | *why | 10:53 |
| Haley[mt][m] | <PlanckWalk "We already know that France aren"> Well, not sure about that. | 10:53 |
| PlanckWalk | The testign numbers are public | 10:53 |
| Haley[mt][m] | <withorwithout "yes, that's why I said it was a "> hat reasons? | 10:54 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | 300K per week in germany | 10:54 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but labs could go up to 900k | 10:54 |
| withorwithout | Haley[mt][m]: what? I don't understand the question | 10:54 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | logistic problems... | 10:54 |
| Haley[mt][m] | What reason? | 10:54 |
| withorwithout | Haley[mt][m]: not sure, but the fact that the pharmaceutial and molecular biology industry in Germany is HUGE (one of the biggest in the world) surely has something to do about it | 10:55 |
| Haley[mt][m] | that is what I mean. | 10:55 |
| withorwithout | ok, we agree then | 10:55 |
| Haley[mt][m] | When I lived in germany, health care did cost me a ball. Right now, I oay 1/8 of what I paid in germany (living in france) | 10:56 |
| withorwithout | also France was probably hit earlier, apparently from studies | 10:56 |
| withorwithout | so they had more "catch up" to do | 10:56 |
| Haley[mt][m] | yeah, they had religious meeeting (religious), and there were infected people amongst them. Then - they all went home (everywhere in frannce). Was a mess. | 10:57 |
| Haley[mt][m] | that is how it spread all over the country so fast. | 10:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 08:53 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia cases top 200,000: Russia's health authorities reported 11,012 new coronavirus cases in the last 24 hours, bringing the country's total to 209,688. → https://is.gd/zy52Xz | 10:59 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | trump vs putin | 10:59 |
| Haley[mt][m] | %cases us | 11:00 |
| Brainstorm | Haley[mt][m]: In all areas, US, there have been 1.3 million confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 80040 deaths (5.9% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 8.9 million tests were performed (15.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 11:00 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | https://ncov2019.live/data | 11:04 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | data seems not sooooo uptodate anymore, but.. mh... italy, many criticals | 11:04 |
| PlanckWalk | Eh, more critical than active cases means some error in the data :-p | 11:06 |
| Arsanerit | critically deceased? | 11:07 |
| withorwithout | lol | 11:07 |
| Arsanerit | 80000 deaths? | 11:08 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | while there are more active cases in france... france only got around 2800 critical... italy got 102.988 | 11:09 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ahh i see.. the cases are lower... lol... | 11:09 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 1,347,318 cases as of 2020-05-10 08:43:00 UTC. Of these 1,029,198 (76.4%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 238,080 (17.7%) have definitely recovered and 80,040 (5.9%) have died. | 11:09 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | heh | 11:09 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | for what country? | 11:09 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ah us | 11:09 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | !cases usa | 11:09 |
| Arsanerit | https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441 reports US excess mortality of 26500 | 11:10 |
| Arsanerit | Oh, that's only up to Apr 11. | 11:10 |
| Arsanerit | That explains. | 11:10 |
| Arsanerit | Why aren't excess mortality data more up to date? | 11:11 |
| PlanckWalk | Deaths can take weeks to be collected in statistics | 11:11 |
| Arsanerit | apparently | 11:12 |
| PlanckWalk | COVID deaths are reported faster, but not all deaths due to COVID are reported as confirmed COVID deaths | 11:12 |
| Arsanerit | US doesn't seem to be doing very well https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries | 11:13 |
| PlanckWalk | There are about 8 doing worse (and a few microstates)! | 11:14 |
| Arsanerit | although it appears to vary a lot between US states https://www.endcoronavirus.org/states | 11:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bangladesh: +887 cases (now 14657), +14 deaths (now 228) since a day ago — Belgium: +485 cases (now 53081), +75 deaths (now 8656) since a day ago — World: +1472 cases (now 4.1 million), +95 deaths (now 280797) since 50 minutes ago — Finland: +33 cases (now 5913) since 23 hours ago | 11:24 |
| jacklsw | %data malaysia | 11:25 |
| Brainstorm | jacklsw: In all areas, Malaysia, there have been 6656 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 108 deaths (1.6% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 245102 tests were performed (2.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 2.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Malaysia for time series data. | 11:25 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | 0,0% hehe | 11:25 |
| pwr22 | <weimarnetzbot[m] "if you are staying in a german h"> Standard in the UK too if you're immobile | 11:35 |
| pwr22 | Couple years back I had a tumour removed from my leg, I stayed on night and they injected some blood thinner into my abdomen | 11:36 |
| pwr22 | I did end up developing a DVT in my leg though which sucked | 11:36 |
| ecks | everyone admitted for covid-19 gets relatively high dose LMWH here | 11:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lithuania: +35 cases (now 1479), +1 deaths (now 50) since a day ago — Ethiopia: +29 cases (now 239) since 23 hours ago — World: +64 cases (now 4.1 million), +1 deaths (now 280798) since 22 minutes ago | 11:39 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | pwr22: DVT? | 11:47 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ecks: here is where? | 11:47 |
| pwr22 | Deep vein thrombosis | 11:47 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ah | 11:47 |
| ecks | sweden | 11:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 09:35 UTC: worldnews: China's nasty, lying, bullying Communist regime must face judgment over coronavirus - Lord Patten → https://is.gd/dJZWCv | 12:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 09:52 UTC: UK news: UK coronavirus live: Scotland to stick with 'stay home' advice as Johnson due to announce alert system → https://is.gd/9ckiW4 | 12:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 10:16 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia cases top 200,000: Russia has surpassed France and Germany to become the fifth-highest in the world in terms of positive coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/zy52Xz | 12:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:26 UTC: UK news: UK coronavirus live: Scotland to stick with 'stay home' advice as Johnson due to announce alert system → https://is.gd/9ckiW4 | 12:36 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Naples, Florida to close beaches “until further notice” after re-opening earlier this week due to large crowds refusing to follow CDC’s social distancing/safety guidelines. (10056 votes) | https://redd.it/ggrqjd | 12:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Arab Emirates: +781 cases (now 18198), +13 deaths (now 198) since 16 hours ago — Montenegro: +1 deaths (now 9) since 5 days ago — Romania: +231 cases (now 15362), +7 deaths (now 952) since an hour ago — Finland: +50 cases (now 5963), +2 deaths (now 267) since an hour ago | 12:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cameroon: +305 cases (now 2579), +6 deaths (now 114) since 20 hours ago — World: +305 cases (now 4.1 million), +6 deaths (now 280832) since 21 minutes ago | 12:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 10:43 UTC: Coronavirus: Infection rate rises in Germany as lockdown eases → https://is.gd/mnTxQc | 13:04 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Covid-19 arrives at the White House https://imgur.com/gallery/qBnO5KQ | 13:08 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Not wrong if ask me 🤣 | 13:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Qatar: +1189 cases (now 22520), +1 deaths (now 14) since 23 hours ago — Spain: +1880 cases (now 264663), +143 deaths (now 26621) since 23 hours ago — World: +3123 cases (now 4.1 million), +144 deaths (now 280976) since 19 minutes ago — Switzerland: +54 cases (now 30305) since 20 hours ago | 13:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 10:59 UTC: Coronavirus latest: at a glance: A summary of the biggest developments in the global coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/K4Vd03 | 13:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malta: +6 cases (now 496) since a day ago — World: +5 cases (now 4.1 million) since 30 minutes ago | 13:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:14 UTC: Coronavirus UK: latest deaths, confirmed cases – and which regions are hardest hit?: Latest figures from public health authorities on the spread of Covid-19 in the United Kingdom. Find out how many confirmed cases have been reported in each of England’s local authorities → https://is.gd/EMKCFi | 13:25 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: The United States surpasses 80,000 COVID-19 Deaths (10069 votes) | https://redd.it/ggpuc6 | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:30 UTC: UK news: UK coronavirus live: Scotland to stick with 'stay home' advice as Johnson due to announce alert system → https://is.gd/9ckiW4 | 13:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kuwait: +1065 cases (now 8688), +9 deaths (now 58) since a day ago — Benin: +35 cases (now 319) since 22 hours ago — World: +1129 cases (now 4.1 million), +14 deaths (now 280990) since 26 minutes ago — Australia: +2 cases (now 6941) since 8 hours ago | 13:39 |
| msc386 | DVT is Deep Vein | 13:40 |
| msc386 | weimarnetzbot[m] : DVT is Deep Vein Thrombosis.... Clotting. | 13:41 |
| msc386 | Russia has 200,000 cases? | 13:41 |
| Hullo1 | Russia is fscked | 13:41 |
| msc386 | I have a friend there.... | 13:41 |
| msc386 | I hope he's safe. | 13:42 |
| Hullo1 | Cases are increasing by the thousands per day there | 13:42 |
| Hullo1 | Their PM also got infected | 13:42 |
| msc386 | Truly? | 13:42 |
| Hullo1 | Has Russia even enforced a nation wide lockdown ? | 13:42 |
| msc386 | Holy Monkey! | 13:42 |
| msc386 | Geez. | 13:42 |
| msc386 | I belong to a Covid Research Group looking for cures... I got asked cause I'm a planetary scientist.. wanted a different perspective. I don't know what I can do to help, but I will try. | 13:44 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, What country are you in? | 13:44 |
| msc386 | My first task has been getting a 3D Rendering of the Virus on my iPad, which I have done. | 13:44 |
| msc386 | USA. | 13:44 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, It's very early there? | 13:45 |
| msc386 | Yes. | 13:45 |
| Hullo1 | Sunrise coming up probably | 13:45 |
| msc386 | 5:46 AM | 13:45 |
| msc386 | Yes, spot on. | 13:45 |
| msc386 | And you're where, sir ./ ma'am? | 13:45 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, India | 13:45 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, the same time, but with PM instead of AM :p | 13:46 |
| msc386 | (just trying to be politem, forgive the pronouns. | 13:46 |
| msc386 | ) | 13:46 |
| msc386 | Ahh... Exact reverse, | 13:46 |
| msc386 | ? | 13:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 11:45 UTC: Covid2019: Evidence shows COVID-19 is almost exclusively spread by droplets | The Star → https://is.gd/qoelEV | 13:46 |
| msc386 | Welcome to IRCm Hullo1. | 13:47 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, not exactly. thirty mins diff. CTCP me for exact time :p | 13:47 |
| msc386 | thirty min? | 13:48 |
| msc386 | Oh... | 13:48 |
| msc386 | I didn't know that. | 13:48 |
| msc386 | I read there is a new strain / mutation, that is causing it to weaken. | 13:48 |
| msc386 | Is there any truth to this? | 13:48 |
| msc386 | (I also read that China Kept 33 Strains of this thing) | 13:49 |
| Hullo1 | Wait, really? I didn't know that | 13:49 |
| msc386 | Yes, It was on the news last night. Researchers have found in a (small) study that a mutationn has emerged causing it weaken. | 13:50 |
| msc386 | I'm not sure what this means yet, because I don't have the data set. | 13:50 |
| Hullo1 | It doesn't bode well for humanity if that strain becomes ahem, popular | 13:51 |
| msc386 | But, the Wuhan Lab did have 33 straing of this bug that they were studying. | 13:51 |
| msc386 | Yes. | 13:51 |
| msc386 | And here's the bad part. | 13:51 |
| msc386 | It may be weaker, but it's more transmissible now. | 13:52 |
| msc386 | And the Wuhan Lab, which is P4 Rated, was studying how to make the virus more deadly, | 13:53 |
| msc386 | from what I read. | 13:53 |
| msc386 | It's called "Gain of Function", I think. | 13:53 |
| msc386 | Making it more efficient at replication, and resistant, that kind of thing. | 13:54 |
| msc386 | Again, I do not know how true this story is. | 13:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Afghanistan: +369 cases (now 4402), +5 deaths (now 120) since a day ago — Albania: +12 cases (now 868) since a day ago — Iran: +1383 cases (now 107603), +51 deaths (now 6640) since 23 hours ago — Bosnia and Herz.: +27 cases (now 2117), +5 deaths (now 107) since a day ago | 13:55 |
| msc386 | Like all data coming out of the PRC these days, it is difficult to verify. | 13:55 |
| msc386 | Afghanistan, too? | 13:55 |
| msc386 | Our IntelSats have shown Iranian Authorities digging mass graves.... | 13:56 |
| msc386 | It must be out of control there.... | 13:56 |
| msc386 | They should ask for help. | 13:56 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | it's just a question of time for such regions, that covid spreads there | 13:56 |
| msc386 | Geez..... | 13:56 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | it's normal that they are later, they don't travle so much | 13:57 |
| msc386 | What have we done? As a Species? | 13:57 |
| msc386 | Messing around with these viruses is like giving matches to a child. | 13:57 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | A lot of crappy netflix series | 13:57 |
| msc386 | What were they thinking? | 13:57 |
| msc386 | Yeah, that too... | 13:58 |
| msc386 | I didn't like Game of Thrones either. | 13:58 |
| msc386 | This is bad.... | 13:58 |
| msc386 | Every Continent affected in some way. | 13:58 |
| aradesh | are you trying to imply the virus was engineered? | 13:58 |
| aradesh | i think that is highly unlikely | 13:59 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | I quitted watching series mostly in the 90's... | 13:59 |
| msc386 | I thought for sure Russia might be OK, because they closed their border quickly. | 13:59 |
| msc386 | I guess not. | 13:59 |
| msc386 | There is no data to say the virus was or was not engineered. | 14:00 |
| msc386 | But it certainly has been messed with to some degree. | 14:00 |
| aradesh | other than the fact that as far as we know, we can't engineer viruses | 14:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 11:58 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Animated Map Of Rolling Weekly Unemployment In The US During Lockdown (State By State) → https://is.gd/rXvejq | 14:00 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | Oo | 14:00 |
| aradesh | we can collect and study them... but engineering them in some way seems beyond our current capabilities | 14:00 |
| aradesh | stupid conspiracies | 14:01 |
| msc386 | We don't know that for sure. Recombinant DNA is what viruses do... | 14:01 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | afaik its possible to alter viruses | 14:01 |
| aradesh | sure | 14:01 |
| pwr22 | <msc386 "But it certainly has been messed"> How does that follow from no data either way? | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RKI's nowcasting guesstimates R_eff>1 for germany :-/ I'm afraid that's overly optimistic | 14:01 |
| aradesh | alter them and in almost full certainty, they won't work anymore | 14:01 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | yeah, 1,1 i germany | 14:01 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | *in | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my guess would be 1.5 | 14:01 |
| aradesh | there is no need to engineer viruses when they produce themselves just fine | 14:01 |
| aradesh | through normal evolution | 14:02 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | aradesh: why shoud they with every change? | 14:02 |
| msc386 | That's my point. We have don't have hard data either way, which means we can't rule it out. | 14:02 |
| aradesh | weimarnetzbot[m]: vast majority of mutations cause things to fail | 14:02 |
| aradesh | viruses can try trillions of mutations all the time | 14:02 |
| aradesh | scientists can only try handfuls | 14:02 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | sure, but thats what you do when you "alter" things..... you get a lot of fails... | 14:02 |
| msc386 | This one seems to be different somehow. | 14:02 |
| aradesh | bollocks. | 14:02 |
| nixonix | theres been several claims of (significant) new lineages, but none of them confirmed. most of them confirmed not true. the latest one that papers wrote about was D614G, but no info yet if affects infectivity. the site 614 had some function in sars-1 though | 14:02 |
| msc386 | Your opinion, not mine. | 14:03 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | it's not like "ets mutate something and await just super stuff!" | 14:03 |
| aradesh | the truth | 14:03 |
| msc386 | I think the truth may turn out to be scarier than we thought. | 14:03 |
| aradesh | the same reason scientists spend decades trying to cure viruses and get no where, the same reason we spend decades unable to cure cancer, is the same reason we have no chance in hell of engineering viruses any time soon | 14:03 |
| aradesh | engineering viruses in any useful way would be more difficult than the former tasks | 14:04 |
| msc386 | The big question is, can we contain this thing, get a vaccine, and halt the damage? | 14:04 |
| nixonix | anyways, the preprint thinking it was significant is this: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.29.069054v1 | 14:04 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but yes, the easiest way is to select strains that appear in nature.... other bioweapons (against crops) are made this way..... long selections of phytium etc. | 14:04 |
| nixonix | %title | 14:04 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.biorxiv.org: Spike mutation pipeline reveals the emergence of a more transmissible form of SARS-CoV-2 | bioRxiv | 14:04 |
| aradesh | even though we have examples of human bodies that can produce anti-bodies to stop viruses like coronavirus, our scientists have no way to do that themselves. our knowledge and abilities are just too poor | 14:05 |
| pwr22 | <msc386 "That's my point. We have don't "> That's not what you said. You made a strong asseration that it "certainly has been messed with" 🙄 | 14:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | whil this is a fungus, breeding is mostly the same | 14:05 |
| msc386 | Engineering would be as simple as just selective mutation. | 14:05 |
| pwr22 | <msc386 "I think the truth may turn out t"> That sucks because the accepted truth is pretty scary anyway! | 14:05 |
| aradesh | also it would be monumentally stupid to try to engineer viruses even if they could, which they can't. because the virus is going to effect your own people as much as anyone else. even if you can somehow create a version that only effects one ethnicity, all it needs to do is mutate, and then it comes back to bite you. | 14:05 |
| nixonix | then there have been a few deletions, and those might potentially weaken its virulence | 14:05 |
| aradesh | msc386: it's not really that simple... it doesn't work quite the same as with normal animal evolution | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | engineering a virus is difficult. Botching together shit is ultra easy, basically just let 5 poeple sneeze in a cup, add vinegar and slowly neutralize the acid with natron to get a bazillion virus chimera | 14:06 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | aradesh: but thats daily bizz... it would be insane to breed anthrax in labs, wound't it? | 14:06 |
| aradesh | they don't breed in the same waya, viruses exchange RNA in very weird and complicated ways, through billions of trials and sometimes getting lucky, sometimes not | 14:06 |
| msc386 | You are correct. And from what I've read, intel guys believe it has beebn messed with, but can't confirm. Since China destroyed the original data. | 14:06 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and yet, we do it, all over the world | 14:07 |
| aradesh | bacterias are different to viruses | 14:07 |
| aradesh | and are safer in some ways | 14:07 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | selectin for things you want... is the same... if you breed chicken.... bacteria... or virus... | 14:07 |
| msc386 | That was my point. | 14:07 |
| msc386 | Thank-you. | 14:07 |
| aradesh | yes, and it's incorrect. | 14:08 |
| aradesh | you can't really select for viruses the same way | 14:08 |
| msc386 | I don't think I said it the right way. | 14:08 |
| msc386 | Really? Not with Gene Splicing or CRSPR? | 14:08 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | its not about the same way.. its about... its possible to select among thousends..... things with traits you like | 14:08 |
| msc386 | Are you really sure? | 14:08 |
| aradesh | yes. | 14:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, yiou can: set it free and let evolution do its job | 14:09 |
| aradesh | yes, that's the only way really | 14:09 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | sure, yu cant let a virus breed with sex... on another virus.. | 14:09 |
| aradesh | the normal way | 14:09 |
| msc386 | We shall see. | 14:09 |
| pwr22 | To selectively breed anything you need to measure it's fitness somehow. So you'd need to infect humans with a human virus to measure that right? | 14:09 |
| aradesh | right | 14:09 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but you can select strains that are more "pwerfull" for the wished trait | 14:09 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and thats whats done in such labs | 14:09 |
| msc386 | They've already done that step. | 14:09 |
| aradesh | you need thousands and thousands of humans infected, to have the chance of finding variants | 14:09 |
| msc386 | Witness the casualty map. | 14:09 |
| aradesh | it's just completely impractical | 14:09 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | besides the science of "how we can make a vacacine for such stuff..." | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lebanon: +36 cases (now 845) since a day ago — Sweden: +401 cases (now 26322), +5 deaths (now 3225) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +245 cases (now 42627), +18 deaths (now 5440) since 23 hours ago — California, US: +86 cases (now 66773), +3 deaths (now 2694) since 12 hours ago | 14:10 |
| aradesh | viruses already select themselves for being powerful | 14:10 |
| aradesh | they do it already, and have been for billions of years | 14:10 |
| msc386 | Agreed weimarnetzbot[m]. | 14:10 |
| aradesh | nothing else we can do | 14:10 |
| pwr22 | How do you know they're "more powerful" at a world pandemic without at least testing it in a community? | 14:10 |
| pwr22 | That's my point | 14:10 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | there are some things you could even test only on cells | 14:10 |
| aradesh | doesn't tell you enough | 14:10 |
| msc386 | They tested it on the Wuhan community... | 14:11 |
| msc386 | And then set them loose on international flights..... | 14:11 |
| pwr22 | We are trying to test covid on cells to understand how it works right? | 14:11 |
| pwr22 | it's just as easy as just sneezing on some cells and peering down a microscope | 14:11 |
| aradesh | conspiracy theorists being so sure about something they have no idea about is so infuriating, lol | 14:11 |
| msc386 | My main concern is can we can we contain it, get a vaccine, and halt the damage? | 14:12 |
| pwr22 | Given human nature, I would be surprised if we have not tried to engineer dangerous viruses | 14:12 |
| pwr22 | I just don't think we have any evidence this is engineered and now would that even matter given our present situation | 14:12 |
| aradesh | (bollocks bollocks bollocks) "that is a load of bollocks and here's why" (ok. so now we know my bollocks is correct, let's carry on) | 14:12 |
| msc386 | That was what I was rying to say. | 14:12 |
| msc386 | trying, oops. | 14:12 |
| msc386 | No, it isn't. | 14:12 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and human testing is a thing... you know that the US (and many others) did human tests with infectious diseases, without permission of the ppl? | 14:12 |
| msc386 | True, sadly. | 14:13 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | mostly on prisoners, or ethnic minorities | 14:13 |
| msc386 | Yes. | 14:13 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and I can't belive that china is soooooo much better than we all | 14:14 |
| pwr22 | aradesh: I came into this discussion a bit late, what's the conspiracy theory here. Any more than "China has engineered the virus to ???"? | 14:14 |
| aradesh | pwr22: basically, "it is clearly 100% obviously engineered" | 14:14 |
| msc386 | maybe they just caught with our pants down. | 14:14 |
| aradesh | even though a) we have no ability to engineer viruses and b) if we could, no one clever would bother because it's suicidal | 14:14 |
| aradesh | viruses already engineer themselves about as efficiently as is possible | 14:14 |
| msc386 | no one said that either. | 14:14 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | it's more about "do labs around the world working on viruses, selecting it for special traits" | 14:14 |
| pwr22 | Oh ok | 14:15 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | versus "no, noone have a need for it, coz it wont work to "breed"" | 14:15 |
| aradesh | make a virus too deadly, it kills people before they can spread it. make a virus not deadly enough, no one cares. viruses already optimise these parameters better than we could even if we had the ability to | 14:15 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but we all know, there are sure differences, but selecting is a key, that's common to all breedings | 14:15 |
| msc386 | I said it may have been altered. That's possible. "Gain of Function" has been researched by many labs. | 14:16 |
| aradesh | tweak one thing, and you have a hundred other things you could break | 14:16 |
| pwr22 | I suspect it's probably a good idea to let this topic rest at some point - the channels focus isn't really on the potential conspiracies going on around COVID-19 | 14:16 |
| pwr22 | There are other channels more focussed on that | 14:16 |
| msc386 | I agree. | 14:16 |
| aradesh | can the virus still get in the cells? does the virus kill the cell too fast? does the virus cause the cell to replicate it fast enough? does it cause ssytpmots of the host so that it can spread? can the virus still exist outside the body so that it can spread? | 14:16 |
| aradesh | it's just so far fetched and beyond our science. | 14:16 |
| msc386 | My concern remains: can we contain it, get a vaccine, and halt the damage? | 14:17 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | aradesh: what do you think are all those virus labs for? just collecting for curiosity? | 14:17 |
| msc386 | Or are we screwed? | 14:17 |
| aradesh | for study | 14:17 |
| aradesh | so that we can better understand them | 14:17 |
| aradesh | in a hope for finding cures and being aware of new outbreaks | 14:17 |
| aradesh | or for producing vaccines | 14:17 |
| aradesh | and for the record, we did not invent anthrax, it's naturally occurring | 14:17 |
| msc386 | Some do, and others... for other purposes. | 14:18 |
| aradesh | if you say so | 14:18 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Part of humanity is for sure screwed. Also as we messed with natural selection for years, it haunts us down now. | 14:18 |
| pwr22 | msc386: I think we've shown we can at least slow it with lockdowns. My concern is that a lot of places appear to be relaxing these without any sound data or evidence that is the best thing to do | 14:18 |
| msc386 | I do say so. | 14:18 |
| msc386 | That's like saying doing Nuclear Research in WWII was strictly out of curiousity. | 14:19 |
| msc386 | We all know it was not. | 14:19 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | heh | 14:19 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | or just fr powerplants | 14:19 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | thats the point | 14:19 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | so we do for bacteria and fungi | 14:19 |
| msc386 | (My father was a weapons designer) | 14:19 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | agent green, vor example | 14:19 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | *for | 14:19 |
| msc386 | (Nuclear Weapons Designer) | 14:19 |
| aradesh | the only way we could select for viruses, is the exact way it does it anyway. infecting millions of people, and letting it evolve by itself. no human intervention needed. | 14:20 |
| aradesh | if it evolves to be more potent, then it does it by itself, and spreads better. | 14:20 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | strains of an aggressive fungi (I guess it was..) selected for damage on plants... mostly for hemp and coca | 14:21 |
| msc386 | (He later quit.... for reasons of conscience.) | 14:21 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but even for crops | 14:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 12:01 UTC: worldnews: China refutes 24 'lies' by U.S. politicians over coronavirus → https://is.gd/qqdRRU | 14:21 |
| msc386 | I'm not going to argue this with you Aradesh. | 14:22 |
| msc386 | China has most of the data. We do not. | 14:22 |
| aradesh | i think we have more data than china by now, lol | 14:22 |
| aradesh | vast majority of cases have been outside of china now | 14:22 |
| msc386 | And my main concern still has not been addressed. | 14:22 |
| aradesh | and probably most man hours of study of the virus | 14:22 |
| msc386 | Can we contain the spread, produce a vaccine, and halt the damage? | 14:23 |
| msc386 | Thoughts, anyone? | 14:23 |
| msc386 | Anyone? | 14:24 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | before thevac, there must be a therapeutical | 14:24 |
| pwr22 | I made a comment on that topic and it was ignored | 14:24 |
| pwr22 | So I'm out | 14:24 |
| msc386 | Agreed, attenuate the symptoms, right? | 14:24 |
| aradesh | msc386: yes, probably and yes but the two yeses come with huge expensive | 14:25 |
| aradesh | expense | 14:25 |
| aradesh | is it likely that we will? i'm starting to think no | 14:25 |
| msc386 | Sorry, your input is valued. Please continue. | 14:25 |
| aradesh | because of the huge costs involved | 14:25 |
| msc386 | We may not have a choice but to bear the expense. | 14:25 |
| msc386 | pwr22, you were saying? | 14:25 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Universal Masking is Urgent in the COVID-19 Pandemic:SEIR and Agent Based Models, Empirical Validation,Policy Recommendations (53 votes) | https://redd.it/ggznyu | 14:25 |
| pwr22 | My guess so far is that things are going to start getting worse again in places that are opening up recklessly | 14:26 |
| pwr22 | Or the quarantine is breaking down | 14:26 |
| aradesh | i'm starting to get the impression that western countries like the USA are tending towards the... let it spread philosophy | 14:26 |
| pwr22 | But I hope to be suprised | 14:26 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | is plasma therapy a topic in other coutries? we don't talk much here (germany) about that :( | 14:26 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Not talking about that in france either.. | 14:26 |
| msc386 | You're talking about antibodies, right? | 14:26 |
| msc386 | That does seem promising. | 14:26 |
| aradesh | the UK seems to be tending towards "let it spread" | 14:27 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | yep, but not from the lab.. more from human | 14:27 |
| aradesh | too | 14:27 |
| Haley[mt][m] | <aradesh "i'm starting to get the impressi"> Things is, this is kind of natural selection taking place again, | 14:27 |
| pwr22 | I don't even know what the UK policy is anymore | 14:27 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | we know it can work.. but treating it a bit like a stepchild | 14:27 |
| pwr22 | It seems to change direction constantly | 14:27 |
| msc386 | Yes, there is talk of plasma treatment, Weimar. | 14:27 |
| msc386 | :) | 14:27 |
| aradesh | people are taking it less and less seriously, and as our attempts to reduce cases is proving futile due to lack of seriousness and strictness of lockdowns, we're hearing noises from the government of relaxing them | 14:27 |
| aradesh | the only strategy i seem to sense from the government is let it spread, but at a slightly slower rate than if we did nothing | 14:28 |
| aradesh | and that all hopes of completely containing and dealing with it have been abandoned | 14:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 12:22 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: The Coronavirus Was an Emergency Until Trump Found Out Who Was Dying → https://is.gd/lQ2zYO | 14:28 |
| pwr22 | Yeah, though we did make some progress in halting things getting worse at least with our measures, even if they weren't the best | 14:29 |
| msc386 | The data regarding lockdowns is mixed. Once the virus made landfall, it spread to vulnerable populations, mainly the elderly. | 14:29 |
| aradesh | yeah. but we don't seem to be defeating spread rate of 1 | 14:29 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Problem is that people, if they don''t live it, don't believe in it. The media don' t help either (who believes them anyway - to report something as a fact) | 14:29 |
| aradesh | our best efforst seem to have got the R factor to 1, and now we've done our "best efforts" people are becoming mork lax again | 14:29 |
| msc386 | (Of which technical I'm "elderly", which was why I self-quarantined). | 14:29 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | it would be perfect, if maybe just a tiny amount like 20-50ml, could help, if administered early, to flatten the deathrate near 0 | 14:29 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ppl get sick but not that hard | 14:29 |
| aradesh | other europen countries have done vastly better than us | 14:29 |
| pwr22 | aradesh: Yeah we never got it below 1 and I suspect that's like you said because things weren't great | 14:30 |
| aradesh | the govt. said we'd got it to 0.8... maybe we got it to 0.8 for a few days when the hype of the lockdown was at its highest, but the stats don't seem to show that over the last month or two | 14:30 |
| pwr22 | Italy has done a much better job and so opening things up there would be much more justified than here | 14:30 |
| msc386 | It seems to be an opportunistic pathogen to be sure. | 14:30 |
| aradesh | italy, germany, spain, all looking pretty good imo | 14:30 |
| aradesh | but yeah, remains to be seen what happens when they reopen | 14:30 |
| pwr22 | aradesh: Yeah, 0.8 maybe considering only the testing in NHS labs versus wider testing | 14:31 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | germany won't longer...... ppl here get very pissed :-/ | 14:31 |
| msc386 | Not every place is like New York. | 14:31 |
| aradesh | well however good your testing is, providing it remains consistent, you're still going to detect if it's going up or down | 14:31 |
| pwr22 | If you look at the overall case rate it doesn't appear as though it dropped below 1 | 14:31 |
| msc386 | Where I live, we have few cases. | 14:31 |
| msc386 | Very few. | 14:31 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | coz you all stay indoot and chat? ^^ | 14:32 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | *r | 14:32 |
| aradesh | when i talk to people here there is definitely a sense that people are thinking that they're returning to normal life soon | 14:32 |
| msc386 | Possibly. :) | 14:32 |
| msc386 | (replying to Weimar) | 14:32 |
| pwr22 | aradesh: I suspect a lot of the street parties that went on on VE day will have a negative effect in 2 weeks time | 14:32 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and all without mask ^^ | 14:32 |
| msc386 | yes. | 14:33 |
| aradesh | i didn't notice any parties myself, but i think i heard some drumming noises or something... | 14:33 |
| aradesh | so maybe someone was doing something | 14:33 |
| pwr22 | And we don't have any PPE to give to the population, we can't even supply the NHS adequately | 14:33 |
| msc386 | Somebody is alway doing something. :P | 14:33 |
| pwr22 | <aradesh "when i talk to people here there"> I think this is the governments fault - they've been acting like that, said we passed the peak etc | 14:34 |
| msc386 | That's a valid point. | 14:34 |
| msc386 | (pwr22, I mean, about PPE) | 14:34 |
| pwr22 | Yeah, I suspect if we did have it then opening up would be much safer | 14:34 |
| msc386 | Agreed. | 14:35 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | well... the pressure of all those small commercial stores is big | 14:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Maldives: +45 cases (now 835) since 14 hours ago — Belarus: +921 cases (now 22973), +5 deaths (now 131) since a day ago — Denmark: +110 cases (now 10429), +3 deaths (now 529) since a day ago — Senegal: +75 cases (now 1709), +1 deaths (now 18) since 17 hours ago | 14:35 |
| pwr22 | People here definitely had a party last night too, sounded like a lot more people than live in any one property here... | 14:35 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | they would die if they need to be closed till oct. or maybe next year | 14:35 |
| msc386 | Is there any place on the planet that doesn't have it yet? | 14:35 |
| msc386 | Antarctica, maybe?> | 14:35 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | neuschwabland, lol | 14:36 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | hehe my thought!Q | 14:36 |
| msc386 | Heh, heh, nice one. | 14:36 |
| msc386 | :) | 14:36 |
| msc386 | Sweinhundland, :P | 14:37 |
| msc386 | or something like that. | 14:37 |
| msc386 | My German is rusty. | 14:37 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | SchweinEhundland, but yeah | 14:37 |
| msc386 | Thank-you. | 14:37 |
| msc386 | That's a question.... Can Penguins contract COVID-19? | 14:38 |
| msc386 | Or whales? | 14:38 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | no bats in antarctica ^^ | 14:39 |
| msc386 | Heh, heh.... yeah... | 14:39 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | bat cave == gotham, superman cave == antarctica | 14:39 |
| msc386 | But what if they came into contact with someone who ate one or handled one? | 14:39 |
| msc386 | (Those wet markets are like, medieval....) | 14:39 |
| msc386 | SuperMan always did have class. | 14:40 |
| darsie | http://bksys.at/bernhard/img/1m/ | 14:40 |
| msc386 | The New SuperGirl Series is cool, too, by the way. | 14:40 |
| msc386 | darsie! | 14:40 |
| msc386 | Hello! | 14:40 |
| darsie | hi msc386 | 14:40 |
| msc386 | Howdy! | 14:40 |
| darsie | I forgot. | 14:41 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | does the chinese pedant of batman has his cave in wuhan? | 14:41 |
| msc386 | How are things going? | 14:41 |
| darsie | Bad. We're extincting 150 species per day. | 14:41 |
| darsie | covid-19 is too weak. | 14:41 |
| msc386 | Then I retract the question. | 14:41 |
| darsie | ok | 14:42 |
| msc386 | I meant to say, how are you doing? | 14:42 |
| darsie | Can I get an easier question? | 14:42 |
| msc386 | in answer to Weimar, I don't know. | 14:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 12:28 UTC: worldnews: About 8,000 more people dying at home during Covid-19 pandemic than in normal times – UK analysis finds. → https://is.gd/yoCxrH | 14:43 |
| msc386 | I was more into SuperMan, The Punisher and Ghost Rider to know. | 14:43 |
| msc386 | An easier question? | 14:43 |
| darsie | yeah | 14:44 |
| msc386 | Two take away One leaves what? | 14:44 |
| msc386 | :P | 14:44 |
| darsie | one | 14:44 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | mh, while i remeber the term wuhan on some chinese menu cards, I'am courios if that word is still there, when they reopen here | 14:44 |
| msc386 | You win the prize! | 14:44 |
| msc386 | Well done! | 14:44 |
| msc386 | :P | 14:44 |
| darsie | msc386: Look at my pics. | 14:44 |
| msc386 | I did already. | 14:45 |
| Arsanerit | I have never been to Weimar. There is a Bauhaus-museum there. | 14:45 |
| msc386 | (I was being facetious darsie..., you said wanted an easier question, I gave you one. :P) | 14:46 |
| darsie | You did well. I could answer it easily. Though I thought of how I could answer it humorously, but couldn't come up wiht anything. | 14:47 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | well, actually I'am from erfurt, the capital of the state (bundesland) where weimar is within. but thats not so far from here | 14:47 |
| msc386 | I have a friend in Bielefeld..... | 14:48 |
| msc386 | I hopen she's OK. | 14:48 |
| msc386 | hope, oops. | 14:48 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | Bielefeld don't exists! | 14:48 |
| Arsanerit | I know very little about Erfurt. | 14:48 |
| msc386 | It doesn't? | 14:49 |
| Arsanerit | I know they had a school shooting there when I was a kid, and that some extreme-right politician upset the mainstream with some political tricks there last year. | 14:49 |
| msc386 | That's not what the map says. | 14:49 |
| Arsanerit | I know someone from Bielefeld. | 14:49 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bielefeld_Conspiracy | 14:49 |
| Arsanerit | I think the person I know mentioned that conspiracy to me once. | 14:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US death toll nears 80,000, UK set to roll out five-tier warning system for reopening → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 14:50 |
| Arsanerit | Reminds me of Last-Fridayism | 14:50 |
| Arsanerit | Sorry, Last Thursdayism | 14:50 |
| Arsanerit | https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Last_Thursdayism | 14:50 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | lol | 14:51 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | <Arsanerit "I know very little about Erfurt."> well, historical a good spot for agriculture... some special microclimate, that leads to almost NO hail.... was useful in the past, but nowdays not much rain :-/ | 14:56 |
| msc386 | Rog, it's an old InterNet Joke. Got it. | 14:56 |
| msc386 | Serisously, i my friend in Germany is OK. | 14:56 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, how long have you been on the interwebz? | 14:56 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | yup | 14:56 |
| msc386 | A long time. | 14:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:50 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia cases top 200,000: Russia has surpassed France and Germany to become the fifth-highest in the world in terms of positive coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/zy52Xz | 14:57 |
| msc386 | Since it's inception when it was ARPA Net and MilNet. | 14:57 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, Were you there when AOL was the most hated company in US? :p | 14:57 |
| Hullo1 | Woah, that's old | 14:57 |
| msc386 | Yup. | 14:57 |
| Hullo1 | Baud must be a familiar term for you then :p | 14:57 |
| msc386 | That's how i got my username. | 14:57 |
| msc386 | From AOL. | 14:57 |
| Hullo1 | lol | 14:57 |
| msc386 | And kept it ever since. | 14:57 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, How was Usenet back then? | 14:57 |
| msc386 | Slow. | 14:58 |
| Hullo1 | lol, I mean, the user experience and the content | 14:58 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | useful ^^ | 14:58 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, Is there anything you miss about the old Internet? | 14:58 |
| msc386 | Not getting viruses. | 14:59 |
| msc386 | And there was less spam. | 14:59 |
| msc386 | far less. | 14:59 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, the IRC networks must be way bigger then? | 14:59 |
| msc386 | And not so much crap on web pages.... | 14:59 |
| msc386 | And no ads..... | 14:59 |
| msc386 | Yes, they were. | 15:00 |
| msc386 | and BBS, too. | 15:00 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and it wa smuch coooooooooler | 15:00 |
| msc386 | Yup! | 15:02 |
| Hullo1 | weimarnetzbot[m], are you also a veteran of the old internet days? | 15:02 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, what's the oldest OS you used? | 15:02 |
| msc386 | RSTS/E 8.0. | 15:02 |
| msc386 | DEC. | 15:02 |
| msc386 | PDP 11/70. | 15:02 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | corona spreading in germany in slaughterhouses, coz the ppl work there, live together in small spaces | 15:02 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | Hullo1: not soooo old... joined in the early 2000's | 15:03 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, you are by far the oldest person I am interacting with on the net :p | 15:03 |
| msc386 | And CP/M. | 15:03 |
| msc386 | Thank-you. | 15:03 |
| Hullo1 | Those are ancient OS's in web terms :p | 15:03 |
| msc386 | I also had an account on a Cray One. | 15:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 12:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Chinese authorities flag northeastern province as potential new outbreak spot → https://is.gd/zy52Xz | 15:04 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but had coputers since the 90s (1991, IBM PS/2) | 15:04 |
| msc386 | Yes, they are. | 15:04 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, the supercomputer? | 15:04 |
| msc386 | Yes. | 15:04 |
| Hullo1 | darsie, hello | 15:04 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, cool | 15:04 |
| msc386 | Thank-you. | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saudi Arabia: +1912 cases (now 39048), +7 deaths (now 246) since 23 hours ago — Portugal: +175 cases (now 27581), +9 deaths (now 1135) since a day ago — Puerto Rico: +25 cases (now 2198), +3 deaths (now 111) since 22 hours ago — World: +2115 cases (now 4.1 million), +16 deaths (now 281101) since 38 minutes ago | 15:05 |
| msc386 | I still have two Micro-Vaxes runnng VMS that work. | 15:05 |
| msc386 | Two Sparc 64's and Computers all over the place, at my place. | 15:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ah, good old sparcs | 15:06 |
| msc386 | Yup. | 15:08 |
| msc386 | The stats are getting depressing.... | 15:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:04 UTC: American companies spent years in an economic boom. Then the coronavirus hit: The pandemic could cast a long shadow, permanently changing how companies spend money, sell goods and run their businesses. → https://is.gd/ZYUmm9 | 15:11 |
| Hullo1 | not as depressing as my mental health :p | 15:11 |
| msc386 | Hullo1, by the way, my ISP won't let me do CTCP. | 15:11 |
| msc386 | yeah. | 15:11 |
| msc386 | I don't know why. Sorry. | 15:11 |
| msc386 | I'm going to take break... I've got two English Muffins with Butter waiting for me... | 15:12 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, wait, CTCP is just an IRC supported command. ISP shouldn't be a factor here, huh | 15:13 |
| msc386 | But thank-you for talking with me. I'll be back in a bit, OK? | 15:13 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, ok | 15:13 |
| msc386 | Thanks. | 15:13 |
| msc386 | :) | 15:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US death toll nears 80,000, UK set to roll out five-tier warning system for reopening → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 15:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Virginia, US: +885 cases (now 24081), +12 deaths (now 839) since 23 hours ago — US: +904 cases (now 1.3 million), +12 deaths (now 80056) since an hour ago — India: +1200 cases (now 64139), +5 deaths (now 2114) since 8 hours ago — World: +2201 cases (now 4.1 million), +17 deaths (now 281118) since 20 minutes ago | 15:20 |
| Hullo1 | msc386, how's irssi? :p | 15:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:29 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump administration set to have glut of ventilators in July → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 15:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:34 UTC: Chinese authorities flag northeastern province as high-risk coronavirus outbreak spot: Chinese authorities on Sunday reclassified the city of Shulan in China's northeastern province of Jilin as high-risk for the coronavirus after 11 new cases were confirmed there on May 9. → https://is.gd/zy52Xz | 15:39 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | mh | 15:40 |
| iz | it's almost like china is using thier authoratorian power to effectively lock down hotspots because it works | 15:42 |
| iz | meanwhile in the USA with over double the cases of the entire world -- "let's re-open now!" | 15:43 |
| Arsanerit | some non-authoritarian countries also managed to crush the virus | 15:44 |
| iz | well, yeah, i guess it's more about the response and when | 15:44 |
| Arsanerit | https://www.endcoronavirus.org/countries | 15:44 |
| iz | 11 new cases, let's start lockdown | 15:44 |
| Arsanerit | South Korea has done quite well | 15:44 |
| iz | 3-4k new cases every day in nyc.. the curve is flattening, let's relax things | 15:44 |
| Arsanerit | German limit of 50 new cases / 100k inhabitants / week is too high imho | 15:45 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | but even yet, some regions exceed that | 15:45 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | greiz here in thüringen | 15:45 |
| iz | usa is still over +20k cases each day | 15:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 13:34 UTC: UK news: UK coronavirus live: No 10 clarifies 'stay alert' slogan as all devolved nations reject it → https://is.gd/9ckiW4 | 15:46 |
| Hullo1 | China under reported the nos of cases, that's for sure | 15:46 |
| Arsanerit | everybody did | 15:46 |
| Hullo1 | Arsanerit, agreed. SK did a brilliant job | 15:46 |
| Arsanerit | weimarnetzbot[m]: and that number should take number of tests into account | 15:46 |
| Hullo1 | Arsanerit, but every country isn't as centralized as China | 15:46 |
| Arsanerit | otherwise districts will have an incentive to not test | 15:46 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | ayep, thats true | 15:47 |
| Hullo1 | Sweden meanwhile achieved sorta herd immnunity | 15:47 |
| iz | centralized lying vs bottom up distributed lying | 15:47 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | and as we see, we only test 1/3 of what we could (seen from the labs) | 15:47 |
| iz | i feel like the eagerness to blame china of lying about numbers by the usa in general is also a desire to disregard the effectiveness of the lockdowns they did | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 13:45 UTC: nCoV: WHO denies report that China asked org to cover-up coronavirus severity | 10MAY20 → https://is.gd/bE9VeT | 15:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:57 UTC: Chinese authorities flag northeastern province as high-risk coronavirus outbreak spot: Chinese authorities on Sunday reclassified the city of Shulan in China's northeastern province of Jilin as high-risk for the coronavirus after 11 new cases were confirmed there on May 9. → https://is.gd/zy52Xz | 16:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump administration set to have glut of ventilators in July → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 16:07 |
| spectr0[m] | %data ru | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | spectr0[m]: In Belgorod, Russia, there have been 485 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 5 deaths (1.0% of cases) as of 6 days ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 6.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgorod for time series data. | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:09 UTC: UK coronavirus live: Sturgeon says Scots can exercise more than once a day ahead of Johnson statement: Sturgeon says R too high to lift lockdown but more exercise allowed; all devolved nations reject ‘stay alert’ advice; contact tracing app may not work with Apple and Google phones → https://is.gd/9ckiW4 | 16:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:14 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump administration set to have glut of ventilators in July → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 16:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:25 UTC: UK news: UK coronavirus live: Sturgeon says Scots can exercise more than once a day ahead of Johnson statement → https://is.gd/9ckiW4 | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 14:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: White House advisor says US unemployment could reach 20% → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 16:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:53 UTC: Coronavirus US live: death toll nears 80,000 as Trump rages over Russia: Fauci and two other task force members to self-quarantine Coronavirus – latest global updates Get a fresh perspective on America – sign up to our First Thing newsletter 3.53pm BST → https://is.gd/oo2sml | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Vermont, US: +6 cases (now 927) since a day ago — Maryland, US: +1053 cases (now 32587), +30 deaths (now 1644) since a day ago — West Virginia, US: +13 cases (now 1360), +1 deaths (now 54) since 16 hours ago — US: +1290 cases (now 1.3 million), +45 deaths (now 80101) since an hour ago | 17:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:00 UTC: The hidden struggles America's disabled are facing during the cornavirus pandemic: Millions of Americans who suffer from hearing and vision loss claim measures for the disabled, with regard to public health emergency response planning, have been less than adequate in the Covid-19 crisis. Many in this community are [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/7BKRMd | 17:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:14 UTC: Kudlow says White House holding informal talks with lawmakers on next steps in coronavirus relief: Lawmakers have passed four major relief packages to address the damage from the coronavirus as the unemployment level surged to levels unseen since the Great Depression and many businesses remain shuttered. → https://is.gd/HUDJeh | 17:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cyprus: +6 cases (now 898) since a day ago — Iowa, US: +287 cases (now 11959), +13 deaths (now 265) since 17 minutes ago — North Carolina, US: +80 cases (now 14593), +4 deaths (now 557) since 17 minutes ago — Alabama, US: +24 cases (now 9692), +3 deaths (now 393) since 16 hours ago | 17:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: White House advisor says US unemployment could reach 20% → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:17 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Global report: Covid-19 cases rise in Germany as Wuhan reports first infection in weeks → https://is.gd/8arXNS | 17:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iraq: +88 cases (now 2767), +2 deaths (now 109) since 23 hours ago — India: +580 cases (now 65021), +25 deaths (now 2153) since 32 minutes ago — World: +901 cases (now 4.1 million), +27 deaths (now 281280) since 16 minutes ago — Mayotte: +35 cases (now 1023) since 20 hours ago | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: White House advisor says US unemployment could reach 20% → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 17:38 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Taiwan today announced no new cases of coronavirus, meaning the country has gone 28 days without reporting a single local transmission. (10374 votes) | https://redd.it/ggwx6k | 17:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 15:37 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: OANN: Reports: Deep State, China use COVID-19 for population control → https://is.gd/mwVMri | 17:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Rhode Island, US: +285 cases (now 11274), +4 deaths (now 422) since 23 hours ago — Poland: +175 cases (now 15996), +9 deaths (now 800) since 7 hours ago — Guinea-Bissau: +85 cases (now 726) since 20 hours ago — United Kingdom: +3923 cases (now 219183), +268 deaths (now 31855) since a day ago | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 15:57 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Gov. Cuomo quietly keeps finger on New York’s ‘Pause’ button amid coronavirus | Lock Downs Extended until June 7th, Stay at Home, Wear Masks → https://is.gd/p4IKit | 17:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Dominican Rep.: +465 cases (now 10347), +3 deaths (now 388) since 22 hours ago — Georgia (US), US: +346 cases (now 32969) since an hour ago — Italy: +802 cases (now 219070), +165 deaths (now 30560) since a day ago — Puerto Rico, US: +25 cases (now 2198), +3 deaths (now 111) since a day ago | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 15:59 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: FDA Approves First COVID-19 Antigen Test for Emergency Use → https://is.gd/0cP7j3 | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Sen. Schumer questions VA about use of Trump-promoted malaria drug on vets → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 18:13 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | elliott1: whats that channel you invited me into? | 18:14 |
| Gr00t | salut fr ? | 18:15 |
| ubLXI | yuriwho: don't suppose moonshots are your thing but might this endeavour throw up something interesting to you? - https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-human-os/artificial-intelligence/medical-ai/covid-moonshot-can-ai-algorithms-and-volunteer-chemists-design-a-knockout-antiviral.amp.html | 18:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: VA spent $208,000 on Trump-promoted malaria drug to treat vets → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 18:27 |
| spectr0[m] | %data thailand | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | spectr0[m]: In all areas, Thailand, there have been 3009 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 56 deaths (1.9% of cases) as of 11 hours ago. 78768 tests were performed (3.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 2.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Thailand for time series data. | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:30 UTC: UK news: UK coronavirus live: Sturgeon says 'I don't know what "stay alert" means'; official UK death toll rises to 31,855 → https://is.gd/9ckiW4 | 18:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Oklahoma, US: +99 cases (now 4589), +2 deaths (now 272) since 22 hours ago — Minnesota, US: +481 cases (now 11271), +20 deaths (now 578) since a day ago — Indiana, US: +394 cases (now 24126), +18 deaths (now 1508) since 22 hours ago — Mississippi, US: +123 cases (now 9501), +9 deaths (now 430) since a day ago | 18:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:32 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: VA spent $208,000 on Trump-promoted malaria drug to treat vets → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 18:41 |
| rmonten[m] | Hullo1: do you have a source for Sweden reaching herd immunity? | 18:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Jordan: +18 cases (now 540) since a day ago — World: +18 cases (now 4.1 million) since 17 minutes ago | 18:51 |
| pyna | off-topic but quite the story https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/05/18/thirty-six-thousand-feet-under-the-sea | 18:53 |
| pyna | also from the future! | 18:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:41 UTC: Coronavirus US live: death toll nears 80,000 as Trump rages over Russia: NY governor says number of hospitalizations down from Saturday Fauci and two other task force members to self-quarantine Coronavirus – latest global updates Get a fresh perspective on America – sign up to our First Thing newsletter 5.41pm BST → https://is.gd/oo2sml | 18:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: VA spent $208,000 on Trump-promoted malaria drug to treat vets → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ireland: +236 cases (now 22996), +12 deaths (now 1458) since a day ago — Togo: +20 cases (now 173), +1 deaths (now 11) since 23 hours ago — Dem. Rep. Congo: +54 cases (now 991), +2 deaths (now 41) since a day ago — Azerbaijan: +97 cases (now 2519), +1 deaths (now 32) since a day ago | 19:06 |
| nixonix | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaTDtOjb8jw | 19:07 |
| nixonix | %title | 19:07 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.youtube.com: Christian Drosten: role of T-cells in immune response of coronavirus [English and German subtitles] - YouTube | 19:07 |
| yuriwho | Hey ubLXI that looks very cool, I’ll check it out and see if I can participate | 19:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Chile: +1647 cases (now 28866), +8 deaths (now 312) since a day ago — Ecuador: +488 cases (now 29559), +410 deaths (now 2127) since 23 hours ago — Delaware, US: +170 cases (now 6447), +3 deaths (now 224) since 23 hours ago — Florida, US: +595 cases (now 40596), +5 deaths (now 1721) since 23 hours ago | 19:21 |
| blkshp | #stayalert wtf | 19:25 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: The SARS-CoV-2-like virus found in captive pangolins from Guangdong should be better sequenced. (51 votes) | https://redd.it/gh0g9b | 19:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:19 UTC: 'Back to where we started' — New York coronavirus hospitalizations fall to March levels, Cuomo says: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said on Sunday that the number of new daily Covid-19 hospitalizations had returned to the level it was at when he issued a statewide closure of nonessential businesses nearly two months ago. → https://is.gd/oUS7T5 | 19:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +2023 cases (now 67044), +54 deaths (now 2207) since 2 hours ago — Utah, US: +148 cases (now 6251), +1 deaths (now 67) since 22 hours ago — Israel: +19 cases (now 16477), +4 deaths (now 252) since 9 hours ago — US: +218 cases (now 1.4 million), +20 deaths (now 80351) since 17 minutes ago | 19:36 |
| ubLXI | nixonix: listening to your Drosten link, the idea that bootstrapping immune response in upper respiratory tract prior to lung infection, suggests another mode for mask-wearing (slowing speed of airflow) to improve outcomes | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: VA spent $208,000 on Trump-promoted malaria drug to treat vets → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:41 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy reports lowest daily death toll, number of new cases since early March → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 19:44 |
| nixonix | or only use a good mask, because only those protect from aerosolized particles. perhaps. i presented an idea around 5 weeks ago to reduce the hand hygiene even on purpose, to avoid it starting from lungs, with possibly better outcome than aerosolized virus particles going straight to lungs | 19:44 |
| nixonix | also it doesnt go to lungs at all from upper respiratory necessarily | 19:46 |
| ubLXI | then again, i've heard a nurse say for inhaler use, that airflow should be as slow as possible to prevent compound hitting and being absorbed by the back of the throat | 19:52 |
| nixonix | larger filter? breath slowly? | 19:54 |
| ubLXI | hold that thought | 19:55 |
| ubLXI | possible link for 7pm Boris Johnson address: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRs-dC-gmVk | 19:55 |
| ubLXI | currently showing "This live event has not yet started" | 19:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:56 UTC: The hidden struggles America's disabled are facing during the coronavirus pandemic: Millions of Americans who suffer from hearing and vision loss claim measures for the disabled, with regard to public health emergency response planning, have been less than adequate in the Covid-19 crisis. Many in this community are [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/AesusO | 19:58 |
| ubLXI | nixonix: that nurse's story was that slow breathing increases the proportion of compound reaching the lungs, and that fast inhalation increases the proportion moving so fast it just hits the back of the throat and stops there; ie for the purposes of using an inhaler, you want to inhale as slowly as possible | 19:59 |
| ubLXI | i'm not sure this idea generalises to aerosolised virions though | 20:02 |
| nixonix | yeah perhaps. but i think the obvious solution is the most likely working, get better masks somewhere. otherwise, dont trust masks at all, but put your energy and attention in keeping the distance | 20:02 |
| ubLXI | Boris has started | 20:04 |
| nixonix | bad mask is just a comfort object, that the society is currently offering to citizen | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy reports lowest daily death toll, number of new cases since early March → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 20:05 |
| weimarnetzbot[m] | R in Germany is now 1,13 | 20:06 |
| nixonix | a bit like the talk about hydroxychloroquine (because they hadnt much else to offer) | 20:07 |
| blkshp | we're less than 1 in the UK apparently | 20:07 |
| blkshp | Anyone know a UK source of this number (though i don't think we have it quite that specific | 20:08 |
| calbasi_matrix | Why Germany is not offering data to the MOMO project? (the project where this year death rates are compared with last 5 years)? | 20:08 |
| calbasi_matrix | Holand, for example, has a very hight "not usual" mortality, similar to UK. And even UK has much more than assigned to Covid19. | 20:09 |
| nixonix | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52473523 | 20:10 |
| nixonix | "The R value was around 0.7 a couple of weeks ago, but is now thought to be somewhere between 0.75 and 1.0." | 20:10 |
| calbasi_matrix | Surprisingly, Spain and Italy have mortality rates closed to extra mortality assigned to Civid19, so their data would be more trustly than Holland data, where covid19 is more underdeclared | 20:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:00 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson sets out 'roadmap' out of lockdown in address to nation → https://is.gd/9ckiW4 | 20:12 |
| LjL | Boris Johnson speaking now at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRs-dC-gmVk | 20:13 |
| LjL | well, was. | 20:14 |
| LjL | timely ljl is timely | 20:14 |
| nixonix | i dont know. i just read in denmark, they said transmissibility went from 0.6 to 0.9 after reopening the schools. and also that quote from bbc article, in uk. those dont seem to match running doubling time that offloop shows (but it doesnt take into account the variance in testing numbers, so maybe) | 20:15 |
| nixonix | in germany offloops curve seems to match better the claim of transmissibility gone up recently (wasnt it in germany?) | 20:17 |
| LjL | calbasi_matrix, the graphs at https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries seemed to suggest Italy and Spain have higher rates than reported | 20:18 |
| LjL | nixonix, germany, and korea | 20:18 |
| LjL | those are the ones i've heard about anyway | 20:19 |
| Jigsy | So the UK's new plan is to slowly kill everyone. | 20:19 |
| Jigsy | Or so it appears. | 20:19 |
| Jigsy | "We need to stop the spread of infection, and to do that, unlimited exercise!" | 20:20 |
| LjL | well and also China had some caes yesterday | 20:21 |
| nixonix | lombardy and austria mortality data seems to be lagging bad. but not as bad as germanys... | 20:21 |
| LjL | Jigsy, i dared venture out in Milan today but... so many people outside, and i didn't go to any places that i expected to be crowded. many with masks being used only as a neck warmer, many also with masks on their mouths but not covering the nose | 20:21 |
| LjL | many runners without masks at all | 20:21 |
| Jigsy | I've been outside three times in two months. | 20:21 |
| Jigsy | Just to get a few things from the store | 20:22 |
| Jigsy | + . | 20:22 |
| LjL | nixonix, well Milan in particular is giving no signs of going down | 20:22 |
| LjL | i can't think the new "re-opening" rules are going to be helping | 20:22 |
| LjL | Milan mayor got pretty mad | 20:23 |
| nixonix | i hope you have ac's there (and hopefully the virus particles dont spread through it) | 20:23 |
| calbasi_matrix | <LjL "calbasi, the graphs at https://w"> All the countries has. But llok at this table, from your link: | 20:23 |
| LjL | calbasi_matrix, yes thanks for linking to the table directly because i can't actually load the link now due to subscribewall :P | 20:23 |
| calbasi_matrix | There you can get that Holland has only treporting 48% of excess deaths. Like Austria. Spain 67% and UK 71% | 20:23 |
| nixonix | i read something like "italy is giving up to pressure to reopen", i think in finnish article | 20:23 |
| LjL | nixonix, i don't know that there is a concerted effort to do anything in particular. too many different "task forces" with different interests, and then the regional governments with their own | 20:24 |
| calbasi_matrix | Sweden and Belgium are reporting 90% of deaths | 20:24 |
| LjL | calbasi_matrix, how much does it say for Italy? | 20:24 |
| nixonix | note taht austrias graph are only up to beginning of april, over month behind | 20:24 |
| LjL | yeah it would be nice to have newer data but these articles basically "stole" things from euromomo | 20:25 |
| LjL | (and other sources) | 20:25 |
| LjL | bit ridiculous how euromomo publishes graphs, but not the actual data behind the graphs | 20:25 |
| calbasi_matrix | Not shown... Just Lombardy (48%) | 20:25 |
| LjL | because those are proprietary to the countries involved :\ | 20:25 |
| LjL | calbasi_matrix, so i can expect lombardy to have about twice the reported deaths | 20:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: 'This is not the time to end the lockdown,' says Boris Johnson in address to nation → https://is.gd/9ckiW4 | 20:26 |
| calbasi_matrix | <LjL "calbasi, so i can expect lombard"> That's it! | 20:26 |
| LjL | calbasi_matrix, so in the end it's the same as Holland... maybe Italy as a whole has a less pronounced effect, but the big problem is in Lombardy | 20:27 |
| LjL | %wa population of Holland | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Netherlands | population): Result: 17 million people (world rank: 67th) (2017 estimate) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+Holland | 20:28 |
| LjL | in physical size and population, Holland is closer to Lombardy than Italy | 20:28 |
| LjL | (Lombardy has about 10 million) | 20:28 |
| LjL | so make it... Lombardy plus the also-affected surrounding areas in Veneto, Piedmont and Emilia-Romagna | 20:28 |
| calbasi_matrix | <LjL "calbasi, so in the end it's the "> That means that covid health effects are the double than publicyted in Italy ;-) | 20:31 |
| nixonix | burn murdoch have different range of data, for some countries and areas more lagging, for some less (but eg for lombardy its up to march 31st only) | 20:31 |
| LjL | well that's a while ago by now... | 20:32 |
| LjL | the economist article i linked is listed at https://covid19.specops.network/ together with also a similar NYT article, but that covers different areas (mostly countries, and areas in america) | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:27 UTC: Boris Johnson outlines 'conditional' plan to slowly reopen UK economy: The U.K. government has taken its first tentative steps to ease some strict coronavirus lockdown measures and slowly begin to reopen its economy. → https://is.gd/9k8EQ8 | 20:33 |
| nixonix | i wonder if we can trust spanish mortality to have lowered that much. is it sure, they already have them all in stats? like it may take several months to get the official reason of death, but it might depend on country if the total mortality really includes all deaths, and up to what date | 20:33 |
| calbasi_matrix | Here you are updated info (week18, the last of April), including maps: | 20:33 |
| calbasi_matrix | https://infographics.economist.com/2020/covid-19-excess-mortality-interactive/table.html | 20:33 |
| nixonix | those excess deaths, depends what numbers you compare. do you compare the average of the last 3 years week by week, or for longer period? do you take into account, that this was easy influenza A year, and it stopped quickly because of sars-2 measures, so less non-covid-19 mortality? | 20:45 |
| nixonix | and are the all mortality even in books yet, for all countries | 20:45 |
| calbasi_matrix | Here in Spain doctors from Hospitals are talking the situation is normilizing... In fact, usual hospital activities are restarting... | 20:46 |
| nixonix | according to nyt article on excess deaths (they seem to have used weekly average on only years 2017-2019): New York City Mar. 11 May 2 297% 23,000 18,706 4,300 - meaning roughly 23k deaths on that period, but 18706 official covid-19 deaths | 20:49 |
| nixonix | but we get the rough estimate of undercounting percentage in nyc from that: the real mortality is 1 - 23000/18706 = 22.96% higher in nyc than reported (on that period - and prob even higher because the above mentioned factor) | 20:49 |
| nixonix | thats quite different percentage than on that economist link (although a different period) | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:50 UTC: Boris Johnson’s address on next phase of coronavirus lockdown – watch in full: Boris Johnson has outlined the next stage of the UK’s battle with coronavirus after heavy criticism of the government's new ‘stay alert’ guidance. Speaking in a pre-recorded message the prime minister said: ‘This is not the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/VbtOCi | 20:54 |
| nixonix | https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/boris-johnson-speech-live-end-lockdown-watch-coronavirus-address/ | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy reports lowest daily death toll, UK outlines 'conditional' plan to slowly reopen → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 21:15 |
| nixonix | https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52530518 | 21:17 |
| nixonix | %title | 21:18 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.bbc.com: Lockdown update: What are the new rules set out by Boris Johnson? - BBC News | 21:18 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Smoking Prevalence is Low in Symptomatic Patients Admitted for COVID-19. (51 votes) | https://redd.it/gh3bk1 | 21:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Costa Rica: +12 cases (now 792) since a day ago — New York, US: +1980 cases (now 345389), +34 deaths (now 26805) since 19 hours ago — Wisconsin, US: +280 cases (now 10219), +2 deaths (now 400) since 22 hours ago — Michigan, US: +382 cases (now 47138), +25 deaths (now 4551) since a day ago | 21:22 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Guy Fieri Raises More Than $20 Million for Restaurant Workers Affected by Coronavirus (10271 votes) | https://redd.it/gh3ev4 | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia (US), US: +447 cases (now 33427), +1 deaths (now 1405) since 18 minutes ago — Connecticut, US: +570 cases (now 33554), +35 deaths (now 2967) since 23 hours ago — Illinois, US: +1656 cases (now 77741), +57 deaths (now 3406) since a day ago — Tennessee, US: +217 cases (now 14985), +1 deaths (now 243) since a day ago | 21:37 |
| nixonix | The R0 reproduction rate for COVID-19 is currently below one in Italy, at between 0.5 and 0.7, Silvio Brusaferro, the president of the Higher Health Institute (ISS), told a press conference on last Friday. | 21:49 |
| nixonix | La conferenza dell’Istituto superiore di sanità: in Lombardia contagiosità a 0,57. Il caso della Sicilia: 1,12. Rezza: 6.395 casi di Covid tra gli stranieri, il 5% dei contagi totali | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 19:48 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: President Trump: We’re Over 8 Million Tests Now Which Is The Most In The World → https://is.gd/aaHWAc | 21:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 19:49 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: German Intel: China Told WHO to Hide Human-to-Human Coronavirus Transmission in Jan → https://is.gd/cKDD8h | 21:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:00 UTC: Boris Johnson outlines 'conditional' plan to slowly reopen UK economy: The U.K. government has taken its first tentative steps to ease some strict coronavirus lockdown measures and slowly begin to reopen its economy. → https://is.gd/9k8EQ8 | 22:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Jersey, US: +1372 cases (now 139951), +5 deaths (now 9260) since 3 hours ago — Pennsylvania, US: +1367 cases (now 60053), +21 deaths (now 3819) since 21 hours ago — Texas, US: +597 cases (now 39285), +4 deaths (now 1115) since 33 minutes ago — US: +3754 cases (now 1.4 million), +31 deaths (now 80546) since 34 minutes ago | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:04 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: 'This is not the time to end the lockdown,' says Boris Johnson in address to nation → https://is.gd/9ckiW4 | 22:11 |
| Flaviker | !covid bulgaria | 22:20 |
| CoronaBot | Bulgaria: Global rank: #76, cases: 1,965 (+44), fatalities: 91 (+1), active cases: 1,430, total recovered: 444, in a serious condition: 58. Mortality: 4.63%, case fatality rate: 17.01%, cases/1M: 283.0, deaths/1M: 13.0. Case rate: 49/24h, death rate: 4/24h. Tests: 57,231, tests/1M: 8,237. | 22:20 |
| Flaviker | !covid netherland | 22:20 |
| CoronaBot | The Netherlands: Global rank: #16, cases: 42,627 (+245), fatalities: 5,440 (+18), active cases: 36,937, total recovered: -, in a serious condition: 507. Mortality: 12.76%, case fatality rate: -, cases/1M: 2488.0, deaths/1M: 317.0. Case rate: 289/24h, death rate: 63/24h. Tests: 254,573, tests/1M: 14,857. | 22:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews at 20:10 UTC: worldnews: Afghanistan fears coronavirus may be more deadly than violence after 18 years of civil war → https://is.gd/YzbcJP | 22:25 |
| timeaftersometim | !covid afghanistan | 22:25 |
| CoronaBot | Afghanistan: Global rank: #59, cases: 4,402 (+369), fatalities: 120 (+5), active cases: 3,724, total recovered: 558, in a serious condition: 7. Mortality: 2.73%, case fatality rate: 17.70%, cases/1M: 113.0, deaths/1M: 3.0. Case rate: 255/24h, death rate: 6/24h. Tests: 15,560, tests/1M: 400. | 22:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:24 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy reports lowest daily death toll, UK outlines 'conditional' plan to slowly reopen → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 22:32 |
| ubLXI | more on masks: | 22:35 |
| ubLXI | https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says | 22:35 |
| ubLXI | https://rs-delve.github.io/reports/2020/05/04/face-masks-for-the-general-public.html | 22:35 |
| ubLXI | https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v1 | 22:35 |
| ubLXI | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfeW2l8G_W4 | 22:35 |
| ubLXI | https://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~dekai/mirror/masksim/ | 22:35 |
| ubLXI | https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.13553 | 22:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guinea: +104 cases (now 2146) since 22 hours ago — Massachusetts, US: +1050 cases (now 77793), +139 deaths (now 4979) since a day ago — Peru: +2292 cases (now 67307), +75 deaths (now 1889) since 23 hours ago — California, US: +271 cases (now 67096), +5 deaths (now 2700) since 4 hours ago | 22:38 |
| LjL | yuriwho, "Roger Highfield, Science Director, talks to Kari Stefansson, whose genetic sequencing project has revealed how the UK infected Iceland, that children don’t seem to infect parents, and how to control COVID-19." https://www.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/hunting-down-covid-19/ | 22:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:41 UTC: /u/slakmehl: The most significant large-scale antibody sampling of the United States has been completed with Major League Baseball, and indicates an infection rate of 0.7%. → https://is.gd/okTXus | 22:46 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, btw, you never accepted my invitation on github :P | 22:47 |
| LjL | despite making an account for it | 22:48 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm | 22:48 |
| AC`97_ | what is a github | 22:48 |
| LjL | ubLXI, that vanityfair article is showing Milan's Piazza del Duomo | 22:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Arkansas, US: +265 cases (now 4012), +3 deaths (now 91) since a day ago — Yemen: +17 cases (now 51), +1 deaths (now 8) since 2 days ago — South Carolina, US: +122 cases (now 7653), +1 deaths (now 331) since a day ago — US: +387 cases (now 1.4 million), +4 deaths (now 80694) since 19 minutes ago | 22:53 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: in https://github.com/ljl-covid/links? | 22:55 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yes | 22:55 |
| tinwhiskers | I have no idea where I would even see an invitation :-/ | 22:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 20:53 UTC: ljl-covid: Add interview with researcher claiming children don't infect parents → https://is.gd/AZDV8x | 23:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 20:59 UTC: Add DELVE's "Face Masks for the General Public": This seems comprehensive enough I'm listing it first in the section → https://is.gd/gRClxg | 23:07 |
| LjL | ubLXI, not for me evidently! i added the other two pages instead :P | 23:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network * at 21:06 UTC: ljl-covid: Add evidence review on mask use preprint → https://is.gd/tIMKbq | 23:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy reports lowest daily death toll, UK outlines 'conditional' plan to slowly reopen → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 23:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:25 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live news: Albanese sets Labor's vision for recovery; deficit could grow to $143bn – latest updates → https://is.gd/YzkzWS | 23:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy reports lowest daily death toll, UK outlines 'conditional' plan to slowly reopen → https://is.gd/P86hsz | 23:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:39 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live news: Albanese sets Labor's vision for recovery; deficit could grow to $143bn – latest updates → https://is.gd/YzkzWS | 23:49 |
| pepee | https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/05/autopsies-covid-19-patients-reveal-clotting-concerns | 23:55 |
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