libera/##covid-19/ Monday, 2020-05-11

thedotconnector[By way of introducing myself, I'm Steve. I'm  a member of several COVID-19 response efforts, ops and initiatives. Please let me know if any help is needed.00:02
Julius5Is there a pill for people who believe corona is worse than the flu?00:03
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 22:00 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Silver su Twitter: "US daily numbers via @COVID19Tracking: Newly reported deaths Today: 979 Yesterday: 1,529 One week ago (5/3): 1,158 Newly reported cases T: 22K Y: 25K 5/3: 26K Newly reported tests T: 278K Y: 301K 5/3: 248K Positive test rate: T: 8% Y: 8% 5/3: 11%" → https://is.gd/JlVSmf00:03
pepeeso apparently it's true that this coronavirus can cause blood clotting. there is an study from a brazilian doctor that says they gave heparin to patients: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.04.15.2006701700:05
pepeehttps://litfl.com/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/#3-clinical-presentation cites https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30211-7/fulltext which mentions coagulation00:06
tinwhiskerspepee: yes also some reports of people being diagnosed with skin conditions (e.g. covid-toe) which has coagulation as the underlying cause.00:07
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:06 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live news: Albanese sets Labor's vision for recovery; deficit could grow to $143bn – latest updates → https://is.gd/YzkzWS00:17
nixonixhttps://twitter.com/Adam_Russak/status/1258136622945665024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw00:20
nixonix%title00:20
Brainstormnixonix: From twitter.com: Adam Russak, MD su Twitter: "We demonstrate anticoagulation may be associated with improved outcomes in hospitalized patients with COVID-19. RCT needed! Proud to be part of this incredible team. [...]00:20
nixonixhttps://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.is.fi%2Fkotimaa%2Fart-2000006489108.html%3Fref%3Drss00:23
nixonix"Therefore, anticoagulant medication for HUS has been initiated in all hospitalized coronavirus patients. The same treatment is continued in patients after hospitalization."  ^00:23
BrainstormUpdates for Argentina: +245 cases (now 6021), +5 deaths (now 305) since 21 hours ago — Guyana: +7 cases (now 104) since 17 hours ago — New Hampshire, US: +60 cases (now 3071), +2 deaths (now 133) since 23 hours ago — Brazil: +5004 cases (now 162699), +366 deaths (now 11123) since an hour ago00:23
nixonixbtw, whats the latest on ibuprofein, paracetamol etc?00:24
withorwithoutnixonix: I don't think that has changed00:35
withorwithoutThe coagulation is common in these type of virus, it was also widely observed for SARS, for what is worth00:36
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:41 UTC: (news): Pence to distance himself for next couple days after his press secretary tests positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/tMoUbl00:45
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Weather Conditions and COVID-19 Transmission: Estimates and Projections (50 votes) | https://redd.it/gh1i4q00:46
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Italy reports lowest daily death toll, UK outlines 'conditional' plan to slowly reopen → https://is.gd/P86hsz00:52
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:52 UTC: (news): Pence to distance for next couple days after his press secretary tests positive for coronavirus → https://is.gd/tMoUbl00:59
Butterfly^Isn't it ironic, USA, Sweden, UK, all keep slowly climbing in the ranks of 'deaths / million'. All 3 countries downplayed the virus for way too long while they weren't even hit that early, they had more warning signs more time to actually respond in the right way01:01
thedotconnector[Not simply ironic...consequential of such a shortsighted attitude.01:02
BrainstormUpdates for Nigeria: +248 cases (now 4399), +15 deaths (now 143) since a day ago — Colorado, US: +328 cases (now 19703), +4 deaths (now 971) since a day ago — Colombia: +568 cases (now 11063), +18 deaths (now 463) since a day ago — US: +972 cases (now 1.4 million), +18 deaths (now 80737) since 48 minutes ago01:08
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:12 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live news: Albanese sets Labor's vision for recovery; deficit could grow to $143bn – latest updates → https://is.gd/YzkzWS01:27
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: The flow physics of COVID-19 (52 votes) | https://redd.it/gh7bua01:28
LjL%title https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/05/07/1001360/india-aarogya-setu-covid-app-mandatory01:32
BrainstormLjL: From www.technologyreview.com: India is forcing people to use its covid app, unlike any other democracy | MIT Technology Review01:32
LjLHeadline is slightly misleading but article somewhat informative01:32
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:29 UTC: World news: Coronavirus live news: China reports possible new wave of cases; Greece extends migrant camp lockdown → https://is.gd/PJwGe201:34
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Systematic review of the prevalence of current smoking among hospitalized COVID-19 patients in China: could nicotine be a therapeutic option? (53 votes) | https://redd.it/gh8qwn01:34
BrainstormUpdates for Sudan: +201 cases (now 1365), +6 deaths (now 70) since a day ago — Nebraska, US: +81 cases (now 8315), +2 deaths (now 98) since a day ago — Texas, US: +354 cases (now 39890), +18 deaths (now 1133) since 35 minutes ago — US: +435 cases (now 1.4 million), +20 deaths (now 80757) since 35 minutes ago01:39
ubLXIhttps://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/476E32549012B3620D2452F30F2567F1/S0022112020003304a.pdf/flow_physics_of_covid19.pdf01:47
ubLXI^ CoronaBot's "The flow physics of COVID-19" link, above; lit review, more or less01:49
BrainstormUpdates for Haiti: +31 cases (now 182), +3 deaths (now 15) since a day ago — World: +31 cases (now 4.2 million), +3 deaths (now 283793) since 20 minutes ago01:54
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:39 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live news: Albanese sets Labor's vision for recovery; deficit could grow to $143bn – latest updates → https://is.gd/YzkzWS01:55
whytekWithout comment: https://veritasliberabitvos.info/appeal/01:55
Mr_Pinklmao julius came back? poor kid02:03
BrainstormUpdates for Missouri, US: +164 cases (now 10008), +4 deaths (now 497) since 4 hours ago — Japan: +114 cases (now 15777), +17 deaths (now 624) since a day ago — Eswatini: +9 cases (now 172) since a day ago — New Mexico, US: +85 cases (now 4863), +9 deaths (now 200) since a day ago02:09
ubLXIwhytek: why did you post that?02:11
whytekubLXI, because I found it striking in terms of the range of stuff that people are getting up to.02:14
BrainstormUpdates for Washington, US: +184 cases (now 17610), +9 deaths (now 932) since 2 hours ago — New Jersey, US: +57 cases (now 140008), +4 deaths (now 9264) since 4 hours ago — US: +241 cases (now 1.4 million), +13 deaths (now 80787) since 21 minutes ago — World: +242 cases (now 4.2 million), +13 deaths (now 283840) since 21 minutes ago02:24
ubLXIit is difficult to take seriously the complaint of an "odious technological tyranny" when it smacks so much of vexation at the evaporation of the Church's power; the author could have worked harder towards a formulation that positioned the Church more obviously in the disinterested Humanist camp; not being in the Humanist camp, the complaints ring somewhat hollow02:39
whytekSure, that's a good point. I think the play between what one might call superstition and scientfic reality right now is interesting. On the one hand people are certainly upset about not being able to do their farewell rituals to their dead loved ones, but science has for sure said that this is less important than .. you know.. protecting the health of all02:47
whytekI'm sure this would have been different in times gone by.02:47
whytekI mean, I understand from what I have been told that it would be so. 02:48
whytekPersonally I didn't happen to pick up on the "odious.." like that, because it resonates somewhat with what I work in, but you're right.02:48
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 00:45 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: South Korea warns of second wave of infections; global cases cross 4 million → https://is.gd/rR2kuJ02:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus updates: Italy reports lowest daily death toll, UK outlines 'conditional' plan to slowly reopen → https://is.gd/P86hsz03:04
ubLXILjL: indeed, informative, and upsetting03:07
BrainstormUpdates for New Zealand: +3 cases (now 1497) since a day ago — China: +17 cases (now 82918) since a day ago — Mexico: +1562 cases (now 35022), +112 deaths (now 3465) since a day ago — Bolivia: +119 cases (now 2556), +4 deaths (now 118) since a day ago03:09
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:05 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live news: Albanese sets Labor's vision for recovery; deficit could grow to $143bn – latest updates → https://is.gd/YzkzWS03:11
PlanckWalkOne thing I don't understand about slow reopening plans in places that still have 10000+ cases per day: how do they test whether they've reopened too far, how long will that take, and what do they plan to do about it?03:23
whytekI find this fascinating about mandatory apps, I know some details about smartphone pentration, but all the same the ggl store lists it as needing "5.0 and up"03:24
BrainstormUpdates for Honduras: +142 cases (now 1972) since 22 hours ago — Sri Lanka: +7 cases (now 863) since 8 hours ago — World: +184 cases (now 4.2 million) since 20 minutes ago03:24
whyteki can't imagine everybody in india who has an android device, has android 5.0 or later.03:24
whyteknot to mention de-googled phones.03:24
whytekhttps://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/coronavirus-noida-aarogya-setu-app-police-6395945/03:25
whytek"Not having Aarogya Setu app is a punishable offence, say Noida police"03:25
LjLsometimes police just don't care03:26
whytekTHis is just fucking bizarre: “If a person does not have a smartphone, they will be asked to get one or fetch it from their homes,” said Singh. “Who does not have a smartphone these days? People may say that they do not have their phones or that their phones are switched off, but we cannot make any exceptions.”03:26
ryoumai do not have a cellphone03:27
whytekryouma, do you live in India?03:27
ryoumaindia has 1b cell phones?03:27
ryoumausa03:27
LjL“If a person does not have a smartphone, they will be asked to get one or fetch it from their homes,” said Singh. “Who does not have a smartphone these days? People may say that they do not have their phones or that their phones are switched off, but we cannot make any exceptions.”03:27
LjLwhoops sorry report03:27
whytek:)03:27
LjLrepost03:27
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:20 UTC: Australia news: Australia coronavirus live update: Victoria to allow five guests in home as part of plan to ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest news → https://is.gd/YzkzWS03:32
kunikoshas anyone heard of the pinephone?03:33
kunikossomeone one just recently mentioned it to me.03:33
kunikosthe idea seems pretty cool.03:33
kunikosmaybe a way around this whole mess.03:33
tinwhiskerskunikos: what is it?03:36
kunikostinwhiskers: is is basically a phone with full blown linux on it.03:37
kunikoscompletely open source03:37
kunikosnot android not iphone03:37
tinwhiskersah. I see03:37
tinwhiskersemacsOS03:37
kunikoslol03:37
LjLwell, how is it a way around it though?03:38
kunikoswell it has a smart phone interface. 03:38
LjLwhen the police says "install it period, no excuse will be valid"... no excuse will be valid03:38
kunikosit's a way around it because it's not a google phone and it's not an iphone03:38
LjLso? it's literally saying that if people don't have a (presumably suitable) smartphone, they'll have to get one03:38
kunikoswell you can install it on your "real" phone or whatever and then have this phone03:39
LjLthis doesn't solve the problem of authorities and police being insane03:39
LjLeh03:39
tinwhiskersit may confuse them sufficiently03:39
kunikosi agree they are insane. but there are ways to working around them.03:39
BrainstormUpdates for Guatemala: +85 cases (now 1052), +2 deaths (now 26) since a day ago — World: +92 cases (now 4.2 million), +2 deaths (now 283958) since 22 minutes ago — Australia: +7 cases (now 6948) since 14 hours ago03:39
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network * at 01:37 UTC: ljl-covid: Add problems with "voluntary" deployment in India → https://is.gd/aEsJtX03:39
kunikosyou can disable the location services and the mic/cam all of it at a hardware level if need be with this phone.03:40
LjLkunikos, if you install it on your "real" phone, and you have to show it when they stop you and ask, how does having another phone provide a solution to the privacy invasion? they're still tracking you compulsorily in a detailed way. okay, i guess they'll have less access to the rest of your data if it's on the other phone03:40
tinwhiskersso then they'll just make you get another phone03:40
kunikosLjL: just don't actually use your "real" phone use this one. 03:41
tinwhiskersexcept when you go out of course03:41
LjLyou still have to have it on you. it's tracking you with their app03:41
kunikosLjL: yeah have it on you when you want03:41
kunikosLjL: don't have it on you when you don't want03:41
kunikosLjL: but this way you still have a phone and it's not prepaid and it doens't belong to a centeral company03:42
LjLyou mean, don't have it on you when there is somehow no risk of police stopping you03:42
LjLwait, what does prepaid or not have to do with anything?03:42
kunikosLjL: we don't even know if they are going to impliment this. but obviously we can't "stop" cuz they are going to do what they are going to do. all we can do is work around with whatever is presented to us.03:43
kunikosLjL: because prepaid doesn't have your credit info.03:43
tinwhiskersif by work around you mean, not work around, then yes.03:43
LjLuh... they haven't said they are going to implement it. they said it is *implemented, now*.03:43
LjLkunikos, prepaid here has to have my identity tied to it anyway03:44
tinwhiskersthey point is they require you to carry a suitable phone. if you choose to carry an unsuitable phone then you also need to get a suitable phone... it doesn't solve anything.03:44
LjLit will probably also have credit info, but how is that relevant now? 03:44
LjLsounds like the goalposts are being moved a little here03:44
tinwhiskersanyway... linux phone. cool. doesn't help here though.03:45
LjLyeah, it's a nice project, much cheaper than the Librem stuff at least03:46
kunikosidk. i think it definitely could. it would bring data collection to a hault.03:46
LjLi don't see how, but okay03:46
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: South Korea warns of second wave of infections; global cases cross 4 million → https://is.gd/rR2kuJ03:46
LjLbanking apps will still require me to use them on my Android phone passing SafetyNet03:47
LjLwhich will likely be the same phone where i'd run this app, at which point, sure, i can use the PinePhone for my personal notes, or something, but a lot of my data is being processed by Android apps just because that's what's available03:47
kunikosthe point of it is. that it's a smart phone. which means it's "capable" but you wont' have this app forced installed by either apple or ios. because i'ts neither.03:48
LjLthis is not force installed by apple or ios03:48
LjLthis is force installed by the police03:48
kunikosLjL: for now03:48
LjLhave you read the article or are we speaking at cross purposes?03:48
kunikosLjL: i didn't read the article. i don't know about them forcing anything. i'm just saying if they were going to force it, this would be a way where they really couldn't force it. to them it will just be a "phone". you can even just make an app that semi looks like whatever it that they are asking you to download, without actually having the app. there is all sorts of ways around it is what i'm03:50
kunikossyaing. 03:50
whytekSo what would be interesting is what else is supposedly forced upon the citizen other than installing the app.03:50
LjL...03:50
whytekLike... you HAVE to keep the phone charged and powered on?03:50
LjLread the article please before making me spend ten minutes debating something that's not what's being debated03:50
whytekdo you HAVE to enter some national id number03:50
LjLwhytek, when i buy a SIM card i do have to provide a national ID number03:51
whytekdo you HAVE to report if you feel unwell03:51
LjLmaking the earlier point about prepaid somewhat moot03:51
whytekLjl, yep but that is a different thing to directly supplying your ID number to the covid database03:51
LjLwhytek, we already have something, voluntary and unrelated admittedly, where we legally "have to keep the phone charged and powered on": virtualized public transport ticket03:52
whytekLjL, sure there are all kinds of these things getting "nudged" out 03:52
LjLwhytek, yes, well, that depends on who has which data and if they can cross-reference them03:52
whytekand for sure, big tech is taking best advantage of corona to advance this agenda.03:52
LjLyes, it's all the nudging, slow and relentless... and then eventually a pandemic comes, and it all becomes justifiable03:53
whytekLjL Where's that BTW, and is there no alternative?03:53
whytekSweden seems the most "advanced" what with having managed to do away with cash03:53
whytekI heard from people in Malmo that there are many cafe's where you cannot pay with cash03:54
LjLwhytek, italy, and no, there is no alternative. last SIM i bought, i bought it at a vending machine, which is a new thing for me... but i actually had to scan my ID, and then show up on the machine's camera and say "I am Name Surname and I want an Iliad SIM".03:54
BrainstormUpdates for Amazonas, Colombia: +326 cases (now 430), +15 deaths (now 17) since 10 days ago — Choco, Colombia: +14 cases (now 27), +2 deaths (now 3) since 10 days ago — Omsk, Russia: +118 cases (now 279), +3 deaths (now 6) since 6 days ago — Kabardino-Balkaria, Russia: +506 cases (now 1245), +1 deaths (now 3) since 6 days ago03:54
whytekand tourists cant use public transport because you need an official city RFID card03:54
whytek(I think they fixed that last one)03:54
LjLwell, first thing i did when i went to London was buy an Oyster card03:55
whytekSIM registration has been around for a long time, sure.03:55
LjLactually, first thing was buy a SIM card to be able to navigate around at all03:55
whytekin most countries.03:55
LjL(in the UK i did *not* have to provide ID for the SIM, though! despite many other creepy things the UK has)03:55
whytekWell, once you put it in your phone it was tied to your italian sim card anyway03:56
LjLoh i had more than one phone with me03:56
whytekHAve you ever put your italian sim in the phone?03:56
LjLwhich was fun because i had to hold all of them, plus my shoes and my belt, at Heathrow03:56
LjLand i have no idea how many hands do they think i have03:56
whytekhaha03:56
whytekI once went through the USA (first time ever, it wasn't my decision, but they were confused as fuck about why I was transiting USA) and they found 3 phones and a bag of SIM cards03:57
whytekthey thought they had won the jackpot03:58
LjLwhytek, honestly, yes, it's more than possible that i did. anyway, they eventually tied it to my identity anyway, because they had (and still have, it comes and goes, they were going to have it on *all* connections including landline, then it was put on pause) a thing where you need to provide ID for adult site. i was accessing a site that wasn't even adult, don't remember what it was but i guess it had some adult parts on it, and instead of the site, a 03:58
LjLrequest by the carrier to give them my credit card details to prove my age popped up03:58
LjLwhytek, oh i am not sure i ever want to try being suggested to US customs :(03:58
LjL... subjected03:58
LjLubLXI, SEE WHAT I DO03:59
whytekLjL avoid at all costs03:59
whytekI think they were the most ill informed (to not say ignorant) people I have ever met.03:59
whytekthat was in chigago04:00
kunikosLjL: idk i haven't had to buy a sim card or prepaid phone in a while but i'm pretty sure you can just buy them with cash here at the store.04:00
kunikosLjL: which is why i was recomending it. i can't speak on behalf of india. 04:00
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:55 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: Victoria to allow five guests in home as part of plan to ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest news: Premier Daniel Andrews uses press conference to announce roadmap to slowly lift lockdown rules from Wednesday, saying ‘with more freedom comes more responsibility’. Follow all [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YzkzWS04:00
whytekI was shocked. later i ended up having to go there again, expecting the worst, I was surprised by being greeting by an incredibly intelligent, helpful polite individual04:01
whytekNew York JFK04:01
whytekI don't think the issue here is about trying to "hide" with an anonymous sim card04:01
whytekIf the app asks you for an ID right away then that is pointless04:02
kunikosidk i guess i was assuming that the main fear was that not only did you have to install this app that tracked your movements... but you had to install an app in general. i mean anyone forcing you to install an app at least gives me the thought that they are trying to spy in your phone04:03
danielp3344whytek: even if you didn't give your information to buy a sim card it can identify you very easily04:04
LjLwell, the fact it's not open source despite the law saying it should be doesn't help to assuage such fears04:04
danielp3344depending on who you call/text04:04
LjLbut personally i'd say that even without spying, it is a very very slippery slope to *force* people to install app, by police sort of force, for any reason04:05
PlanckWalkIt would probably be cheaper and more effective to make bluetooth proximity wristbands.04:05
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: The Risk of Children Hospitalized With Severe COVID-19 in Wuhan (53 votes) | https://redd.it/ghblzv04:05
whytekdanielp3344, that's true, but as soon as you connect to any network it will send your phone serial number04:05
danielp3344oh yeah I forgot about IMEIs04:05
LjLPlanckWalk, i don't know the technology, but if you enter South Korea now as a foreigner, you are given an electronic bracelet04:05
danielp3344stay clear of the cell network04:05
PlanckWalkRather than all this making crappy apps that don't work properly and tie into a billion other personal data things.04:05
kunikosyeah and it may be a "slippery slope" but honestly what are people going to do?!??!?! riot?!?!? 04:06
danielp3344kunikos: I don't carry a phone, anywhere04:06
danielp3344I use my laptop04:06
danielp3344which randomizes it's mac address every time it connects to a network :P04:06
danielp3344its*04:06
kunikosyeah i agree. if i could choose i would choose not to use a phone.04:06
LjLkunikos, what's your point, "we don't have the ability to rebel against it so we shouldn't talk about it and its creepy implications"?04:06
LjLand yes, rioting is an option04:07
danielp3344I'm going to be, cya all04:07
danielp3344LjL: let me know if I can help with any riots, that'd be fun04:07
danielp3344going to bed*04:07
LjLnight04:07
LjLi'll be sure to wake you up if i decide to riot04:07
kunikosLjL: my point is just because your right doesn't mean you should put your life and endager your friends and family to prove a point. at least this is the mindset i'm sure of those who know the extent of how far their governements will go in order to keep them silenced.04:08
kunikosLjL: the best way is to work with what you have not with what you want.04:09
LjLeventually, it's "forced apps" that endanger one's life, friends and family. ask the people in Xinjiang who are forced to install apps, and those apps help police control them eventually to the point of a "silent" but continuing genocide.04:09
kunikosLjL: ohh i agree with you. no one should do this to their people. i'm just saying fighting isn't a solution becuase as soon as your fight then the descussion ends and all it become is just destructive and nonsensical04:10
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Cluster of COVID-19 Cases Traced to Birthday Party (50 votes) | https://redd.it/gh5spb04:11
Butterfly^https://twitter.com/skarlamangla/status/125953954009346457704:21
Butterfly^✓@skarlamangla (Soumya): An LA nurse was faced with a choice: rush into a COVID patient’s room to save him while only wearing a thin surgical mask, or wait to find an N95. She chose the former, and then died of COVID. my latest: https://t.co/Nc8vKS6jWw (8 hours and 37 minutes ago)04:21
BrainstormUpdates for Costa Rica: +1 deaths (now 7) since 7 hours ago — World: +1 deaths (now 283966) since 35 minutes ago04:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:21 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea warns of second wave of infections as cases tick up: South Korea on Sunday warned of a second wave of cases as a new cluster formed around a number of night clubs, as it eased restrictions last week. → https://is.gd/rR2kuJ04:28
BrainstormUpdates for South Korea: +35 cases (now 10909) since a day ago — Sejong, South Korea: +1 cases (now 47) since 20 days ago — Seoul, South Korea: +20 cases (now 683) since 49 minutes ago — North Chungcheong, South Korea: +3 cases (now 52) since 49 minutes ago04:39
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 02:40 UTC: Global COVID Cases For 11MAY20: Current Summary 11AY20 @ 01:28 UTC Total Cases: 4,097,158 Total Deaths: 282,495 Total Recoveries: 1,402,882 Total Countries: 226 Country e Cases b Deaths f Recoveries g United States h 1,363,817 + 80,563 + 208,344 + Spain i 224,390 26,621 136,166 United Kingdom j 219,183 + 31,855 + [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/SH1Sxw04:42
ubLXIoh, missed that scroll04:47
ubLXIThe Intercept is good for bringing in a variety of perspectives: https://theintercept.com/2020/05/08/andrew-cuomo-eric-schmidt-coronavirus-tech-shock-doctrine/04:47
ubLXI"This is the first installment in an ongoing series about the shock doctrine and disaster capitalism in the age of Covid-19."04:48
ubLXIa mere.. 4000 words or so04:50
BrainstormUpdates for Bhutan: +2 cases (now 9) since 17 days ago — Bremen, Germany: +12 cases (now 1055), +2 deaths (now 34) since an hour ago — Thuringia, Germany: +29 cases (now 2585), +1 deaths (now 118) since an hour ago — North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany: +168 cases (now 35132), +12 deaths (now 1437) since an hour ago04:54
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 02:59 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: South Korea warns of second wave of infections as cases tick up: South Korea on Sunday warned of a second wave of cases as a new cluster formed around a number of night clubs, as it eased restrictions last week. → https://is.gd/rR2kuJ05:03
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BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:10 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: Victoria to allow five guests in home as part of plan to ease Covid-19 restrictions – latest news: Premier Daniel Andrews announces roadmap to slowly lift lockdown rules from Wednesday, while Scott Morrison says he doesn’t see China decision on barley tariffs as retribution. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YzkzWS05:17
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BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:55 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: Victoria to begin easing Covid-19 restrictions as 17th death reported at Sydney's Newmarch House – latest news: Another Newmarch resident dies after testing negative, while Victorian plan to lift lockdown rules announced and PM says he doesn’t see China decision on barley [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YzkzWS05:59
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: A nurse without an N95 mask raced in to treat a 'code blue' patient. She died 14 days later (10338 votes) | https://redd.it/ghcf2t06:06
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whytekOf course I have no idea what others feel like, or what the general purpouse is here, but I will jut say, personally I think it would be nice to have a space that was free of sensationalist journo crap.06:21
whytekDon't we get enough of that shit in the mainstream?06:21
whytekButterfly^, ??06:21
whytekCoronaBot, I guess you are a bot... can't blame you.06:21
Butterfly^what?06:22
whytekAn LA nurse..... blah blH06:23
Butterfly^whytek : if you have a question, ask it, 2 question marks isn't a question06:23
whytekWhat i said before that.06:23
whytekBut whatever.. I'm only one here06:24
Butterfly^you're replaying to something i said over 2 hours ago, and expect me to have an idea what you're questioning? while i'm in 50 channels?06:24
Butterfly^replying*06:24
whytekUm.. that's how IRC works, generally, especially if there's is almost nothing in the channel between 06:25
whytekThere's no "instant" in IRC :)06:25
Butterfly^if you know how IRC works, then ask a question direction, either quote me, or ask an actual question, two question marks without any explanation isn't a question whatsoever06:25
whytekOK whatever...06:25
whyteknight night06:25
Butterfly^if you reply in the first few minutes, you're free to reply with a question mark only, but after 2 hours after i said something, you gotta give some concept or ask a direct question06:26
Butterfly^i've been on IRC for over 20 years06:27
whytekI have less than zero interest in getting dragged into a sideline debate about IRC etiquette instead of whether to post twitter shit in here. but i'm too fucking tored right now too06:28
whyteksorry for swearing06:28
whytekbye06:28
Butterfly^http://www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/etiquette.html06:29
Butterfly^this was written like over a decade ago06:29
Butterfly^i don't mind swearing at all, i give fuck all about a swear word hear and there, as long as it's not used excessively, sometimes it helps to make a point across more clearly06:30
Butterfly^here* and there06:30
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 04:25 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: Victoria to begin easing Covid-19 restrictions as 17th death reported at Sydney's Newmarch House – latest news: Another Newmarch resident dies after testing negative, while Victorian plan to lift lockdown rules announced and PM says he doesn’t see China decision on barley [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YzkzWS06:34
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CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Cholesterol and COVID19 lethality in elderly (52 votes) | https://redd.it/ghedm306:54
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rajrajrajIndia(esp Karnataka) is  looting people in the name of Coronavirus. https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/city/bengaluru-foreign-returnees-to-pay-a-bomb-for-hotel-quarantine-835708.html07:03
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Mr_Pinkwadup kunikos07:26
weimarnetzbot[m]moin moin07:28
AC`97_boing boing07:30
kunikosMr_Pink: yooo whats up brother. how you doing?07:30
kunikosany good news? xD07:31
Butterfly^https://twitter.com/MaaloufMD/status/1259587972728533000?s=2007:33
Butterfly^@MaaloufMD (Dr. M): My patient with COVID was discharged home on a low dose blood thinner 3 days ago. Today he was readmittted with innumerable blood clots in his lungs as well as new pulmonary infarcts. He is back in the ICU. But yes, tell me more about how wearing masks is the real horror. (8 hours and 37 minutes ago)07:33
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:30 UTC: Barcelona without the tourists: ‘We've reclaimed our city but inherited a ghost town’: Last year Barcelona received 30 million visitors – now there are none. Emerging from Europe’s strictest coronavirus lockdown, how do its tourist-weary residents feel about getting their city back? → https://is.gd/tyb5gl07:37
Mr_Pinkkunikos nah same ol same ol! haha07:37
Mr_Pinkmoin moin weimarnetzbot[m]07:38
kunikoshahaha07:38
weimarnetzbot[m]230 out of 950 tested workers in a meat factory here got corona.... it spreads like wild in such locations, where ppl work and live together07:44
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Cell entry mechanisms of SARS-CoV-2 (51 votes) | https://redd.it/gh224l07:48
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:44 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: Victoria to begin easing Covid-19 restrictions as 17th death reported at Sydney's Newmarch House – latest news: Another Newmarch resident dies after testing negative, while Victorian plan to lift lockdown rules announced and PM says he doesn’t see China decision on barley [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YzkzWS07:51
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Saliva is more sensitive for SARS-CoV-2 detection in COVID-19 patients than nasopharyngeal swabs (55 votes) | https://redd.it/ghh3fb07:54
ryoumagood news07:55
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BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:00 UTC: Music: Musicians call for industry shake-up to protect artists during lockdown → https://is.gd/v52zWQ08:12
Mr_Pinkthat saliva news is old af wtf08:18
Mr_Pinkway to catch up r/covid19 birx was referencing that like 3 weeks ago08:18
Mr_Pinkhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ace2-men-idUSKBN22M0UA08:18
Mr_Pink^ Men have high levels of enzyme key to COVID-19 infection, study finds08:18
Mr_Pinkmaybe why men are getting it more than women08:18
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ubLXIone price of setting CoronaBot's fetching-sensitivity low enough to catch interesting new things is that it also catches reddit reposts08:23
Mr_Pinkahhh08:23
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:20 UTC: Australia coronavirus live update: Covidsafe app downloads reach 5.5m as Victoria begins easing lockdown restrictions – latest news: Deputy CMO says there are ‘very serious risks’ from overcrowding as Victoria plans to lift lockdown rules and another Newmarch resident dies after testing negative. Follow all the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YzkzWS08:26
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Trippy72394Just an update from Haikou, capital city in Haina province in China, still 80% of people on the streets in masks, near 100% in masks while in supermarkets, 25% of all shops seem shuttered permanently, and really like 20% of usual consumer traffic in malls and retail. It's really slow.08:36
Trippy72394Hainan Province.08:36
weimarnetzbot[m]thx08:37
tinwhiskersTrippy72394: is that where you are?08:37
Trippy72394yes08:38
tinwhiskerscool. welcome08:38
Trippy72394Oh, and Hainan University just opened back up.08:38
weimarnetzbot[m]you are there for study or born there?08:38
Trippy72394So crazy, nobody is spending money. And these people are savers, they have money.08:38
Trippy72394Live here but from Canada08:38
tinwhiskersTrippy72394: how about public transport?08:38
Trippy72394Back to normal, and for a long time.08:39
Trippy72394We took a taxi today.08:39
Trippy72394The virus is really gone from Hainan and has been for ages. But nobody is spending money.08:39
weimarnetzbot[m]is there strong air ventilation in public transport there? 08:39
Trippy72394Not sure about that. We have buses but no subway, and I don't take buses. They have aircon, but not sure if it's in use or if windows are open.08:40
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:34 UTC: Coronavirus live news: More new cases in China as parts of Europe ease restrictions: Boris Johnson’s plans for UK labeled vague and divisive; China records new cases in Wuhan and Shulan; New Zealand to move to level 2 restrictions → https://is.gd/Mmz09J08:40
Trippy72394Everyone has electric motorbikes here. Buses do seem empty though.08:40
weimarnetzbot[m]heh08:40
Trippy72394I think That new cases stuff is a bit of rubbish.08:40
tinwhiskersnice to have someone here with eyes in china!08:40
weimarnetzbot[m]yep08:40
Trippy72394Foreigners or Chiense returning to China get tested and quarrantined. They count as new cases08:41
tinwhiskersall people returning count as new cases??08:41
Trippy72394If they are postivive, yes.08:41
tinwhiskersah. yes08:41
Trippy72394The newspapers say things like "10 new cases, 8 of which are imported...":08:42
Trippy72394but they never say about the other 208:42
tinwhiskersyes, that makes the numbers look bad when it's not the country's fault, but that happens everywhere08:42
Trippy72394Hmmmmm, but I'm sure it's not loose in society or there would be way more08:42
tinwhiskersthat's interesting08:42
tinwhiskersso, how do you feel about the numbers coming out of China? A lot of people here go on about how they are all lies and can't be trusted at all. Do you have any ideas on that?08:44
Trippy72394I do see a bit of Western media trying to make it like China has all these new outbreaks. I think it's a bit of china-bashing and sensationalism08:45
tinwhiskersok08:45
Trippy72394I think they're accurate.08:45
tinwhiskersok08:45
Trippy72394In Hainan, we had an app that said daily how many new cases in our province and in which town or city.08:45
Trippy72394I do not see how or why they would be low.08:45
tinwhiskersdo you know many locals well or do you mostly hang out in expat circles?08:46
Trippy72394But who knows.08:46
Trippy72394A bit of both.08:46
Trippy72394Mostly locals08:46
tinwhiskersok, and what's the general feeling in your province from them?08:46
Trippy72394Well, as a foreigner, there was a week where people walked a wide circle around me from time to time, and one person said "hey a forgigner they should be in lockdown"08:47
Trippy72394no too bright.08:47
tinwhiskersheh08:47
Trippy72394But now, everyone is fine. I think they all just want to get back to normal.08:47
tinwhiskersthe same thing happened in New Zealand (and many other places) with chinese people.08:48
Trippy72394But economically, people are in total shock here. Nobody is spending a dime.08:48
tinwhiskerswhy do you think no spending?08:48
Trippy72394Wow. People are a bit dim, if you ask me.08:48
Trippy72394Not sure about the spending. 08:48
tinwhiskersyeah08:48
tinwhiskersare many people unemployed now after lockdown?08:48
Trippy72394It's like the wheels stopped going round. Waiters with no customers don't earn and then don't spend.08:48
Trippy72394Maybe.08:48
tinwhiskersyeah, ok08:49
Trippy72394Or maybe the older folks who remember the hard times say that these are now the hard times again and don't spend.08:49
tinwhiskershow was lockdown in your province anyway? Presumably not as extreme as in wuhan.08:49
Trippy72394But they domino effect of the waiter not buying shoes and the shoe store not having customers and the shoe salesman not eating in the reataurant..... that is just beginning08:49
Trippy72394Plus the missing manufacturing/export thing hasn't happened yet.08:49
tinwhiskersyeah. smells like a depression08:50
Trippy72394Indeed.08:50
Trippy72394Lockdown here was a sinch. We could only go out every second day, and that was only for a few weeks.08:50
tinwhiskersnice08:50
Trippy72394The whole thing lasted a month and then  all was fine again, no new cases in ages08:50
tinwhiskerscool08:51
tinwhiskersI feel like I have so many questions for you - we just don't get people from China here  - but I'm struggling to think of anything useful right now :-) I hope you come back!08:51
Trippy72394I will. Oh and bout the depression, maybe not so bad here.08:52
Trippy72394This is really a socialist place, and I see the government repurposing people who are in dead industries.08:52
tinwhiskersit's a really quiet time here right now but there's heaps of people here starting in about 4-6 hours who will be brimming with questions08:52
Trippy72394There will be lots of unemployed and the govt is very concerned about making sure they have money and food.08:53
Trippy72394For stability.08:53
Trippy72394So I see them printing money to keep things going.08:53
Trippy72394Where are you?08:53
tinwhiskersah. well, they're not the only ones :-)08:53
Trippy72394There are a lot of people in China on this channel sometimes.08:54
Trippy72394A person in Wuhan too!08:54
tinwhiskersI'm from New Zealand, but I'm living in Tonga right now and we don't have any cases here. NZ is bout to open up too.08:54
tinwhiskersTrippy72394: really?08:54
Trippy72394NZ eh? Your leader is a national heroin!08:54
Trippy72394She will be in the history books for saving many lives, you know.08:54
tinwhiskersheh. yeah. she's alright :-)08:54
Trippy72394Tonga, eh, wow cool.08:54
Trippy72394Cases in Tonga?08:55
Trippy72394I have a bunch of Tonga questions for you if that is okay.08:55
tinwhiskersnah. we had a few people come through on a flight that were later confirmed but somehow we got lucky and shut our borders in time.08:55
tinwhiskerssure08:55
Trippy72394I'm just baking bread, so back in a minute if that's okay. Dont' want it to burn.08:55
tinwhiskerssure08:55
Trippy72394I'm so pleased you locked out the virus09:00
tinwhiskersyeah, I make the most of going to restaurants and always contemplate that I'm among a small number of people in the world who still can.09:01
Trippy72394Okay, a few tonga questions: do people litter? spit? plastic in the sea? 09:01
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson to give more detail on lockdown changes → https://is.gd/58dS0F09:01
Trippy72394Hoot their motorbike horns?09:01
Trippy72394Do they like Australians? 09:01
Trippy72394Are Australians polite and kind or do they get drunk and make a nuissance of themselves?09:01
timeaftersometim!covid tonga09:01
CoronaBot,01[ERR] Country/state not found!09:01
tinwhiskersyes, people litter. They traditionally made everything from wood and vegetation so just threw it away and really haven't got used to disposing of modern waste09:02
Trippy72394I'm looking a pics of Tongan people. Nice. A bit fat, mauri looking, nice polynesian faces, very nice looking people.09:02
Trippy72394They look jolly and happy and nice.09:02
tinwhiskerswe get quite a few drinking bottles wash up on the beach but it's not terrible.09:02
tinwhiskerspeople don't spit here09:02
Trippy72394Exactly like here with plastic sort of taking them by surprise. They don't get that it doesn't biodegrade.09:03
Trippy72394No spitting, that's good.09:03
tinwhiskersif you were to take an average you'd get about one bottle wash up every 2-3 days I guess09:03
Trippy72394Plastic drinking bottles?09:03
tinwhiskersyeah09:03
Trippy72394Oh, that's not bad.09:03
Trippy72394Good reefs and fishes?09:03
tinwhiskersyeah, pretty awesome. I have miles or coral reef around me. 09:03
Trippy72394Do you hear dogs barking everywhere at night?09:04
tinwhiskersI go fishing a few times a week.09:04
Trippy72394miles eh, that's lovely09:04
Trippy72394snorkeling or rod fishing?09:04
tinwhiskersyou do in town, but I'm way out on a tiny island so we only hear our own dog barking :-)09:04
Trippy72394I used to live in the Caribbean for a year and spear fished every day09:04
tinwhiskersrod fishing09:04
Trippy72394hahaha okay09:04
Trippy72394What do you catch?09:04
Trippy72394Are you reefs dying or okay?09:05
tinwhiskersmostly skipjack tuna, snapper, breams, jobfish, grouper. I hooked my first marlin the other day.09:05
Trippy72394Sorry about all the questions. We won't be able to travel to like Italy or anything for a few years still, so our next holiday will likely be a pacific island, and yours is like that.09:05
tinwhiskersthe reefs are actually recovering09:05
Trippy72394Marlin, eh? how big?09:05
Trippy72394Recovering, since when?09:06
Trippy72394Were they like Hainan reefs, destroyed with explosives to get at the fish?09:06
tinwhiskersnot huge. I lost it. I didn't have a gaf with me so even if I had managed to reel it in on my 30lb line I have no idea how I would have got it into the dinghy09:06
Trippy72394We lost a huge percentage like a hundred years ago or something.09:06
tinwhiskersone sec.. making coffee09:06
Trippy72394How huge is not huge?09:07
Trippy72394okay make coffee :)09:07
weimarnetzbot[m]me to please09:07
Trippy72394ah a stalker :) and where are you from?09:07
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 07:01 UTC: (news): Coronavirus updates: Italy reports lowest daily death toll, UK outlines 'conditional' plan to slowly reopen → https://is.gd/P86hsz09:08
weimarnetzbot[m]stalking for coffee from germany ;-)09:10
tinwhiskersTrippy72394: not huge was about 1.8 m I guess09:10
Trippy72394That's huge.09:10
Trippy72394I'd love a coffee, but I'd never sleep.09:10
weimarnetzbot[m]enough to eat09:10
tinwhiskersIt was pretty exciting09:10
Trippy72394So what is expensive and what is cheap in Tongo?09:10
tinwhiskerschicken is cheap. everything else is expensive.09:11
Trippy72394I'm looking at a google map zoom in now. Nice light blue water09:11
Trippy72394ahhaahha09:11
Trippy72394Fish is expensive?09:11
weimarnetzbot[m]heh09:11
tinwhiskerscheck out Tapana island09:11
Trippy72394You're surrounded by fish!09:11
Trippy72394Is that in the string of Tonga islands?09:11
tinwhiskersfish from the market is expensive. I'm really not joking. everything except chicken is expensive. it's weird.09:11
weimarnetzbot[m]but they swim... slaughter a chicken is easier heh09:12
tinwhiskersTrippy72394: yeah, it's up in the Vava'u group09:12
Trippy72394Very odd. Do you use chickens as fishing bait? hahahah09:12
Trippy72394cheching....09:12
Trippy72394checking....09:12
weimarnetzbot[m]is this inland produced chicken?  or cheap chicken meat from import?09:12
tinwhiskersThe chicken is imported. It costs $3.50 / kg. local fish costs about $12 / kg.09:12
tinwhiskersit's not a cheap place to live unless you can be a bit self-sufficient09:13
Trippy72394i see.09:13
Trippy72394that is so strange 12 kg. but you catch free fish all the time, right?09:14
weimarnetzbot[m]ah k, that explains all...... industrialized countries produce chicken like if there's no tomorrow 09:14
tinwhiskersTrippy72394: I only catch an eating fish about half the time I go out. We usually have a couple of feeds of fish each week.09:14
Trippy72394I can't seem to find Tapana island09:14
tinwhiskersI actually saw the chicken arrive in the boxes the other day and it's from Brazil.09:14
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:03 UTC: Coronavirus live news: More new cases in China as parts of Europe ease restrictions: Boris Johnson’s plans for UK labeled vague and divisive; China records new cases in Wuhan and Shulan; New Zealand to move to level 2 restrictions → https://is.gd/Mmz09J09:15
Trippy72394Brazilian chicken? wow.09:15
Trippy72394I wonder how many of these Pacific islands are covid-free.09:15
tinwhiskersLat: -18.714014° Lon: -173.991699°09:15
Trippy72394I guess they would like tourists in the future09:15
tinwhiskersthere's a few islands around here that are covid-free09:15
Trippy72394checking coords....09:15
tinwhiskersyeah, we really rely on tourism here and it's dead. companies are going out of business now09:16
Trippy72394i see it. that's way up north09:16
tinwhiskersa lot of people had already spent reservations money and everyone has cancelled.09:16
Trippy72394wow. okay, and I imagine tourist will only be allowed from "safe" countries09:16
Trippy72394I told everyone months ago that this will end with safe zone countires allowing travel between them09:17
tinwhiskersOur border is totally closed right now but hopefully with NZ looking nearly clear there will be some opportunities there09:17
Trippy72394Does tonga allow travel between china and tonga now?09:17
Trippy72394ah ok i understand09:17
Trippy72394Maybe in several months,09:17
tinwhiskersno travel from china now but china is a really big influence here09:18
tinwhiskersmost of the shops and hotels are chinese owned and there is quite a bit of chinese aid money09:18
tinwhiskersa couple of the planes here are chinese "donations" as well.09:18
Trippy72394are you on tapana?09:19
tinwhiskersyeah09:19
Trippy72394that's absolutely amazing where you are09:20
Trippy72394wow09:20
Trippy72394it must be just lovely09:20
Trippy72394do you get typhoons?09:20
tinwhiskersyeah, usually a couple each year09:20
Trippy72394wow, so china's footprint is there, i see09:21
BrainstormUpdates for Islamabad, Pakistan: +158 cases (now 679), +2 deaths (now 6) since 5 hours ago — Sindh, Pakistan: +2840 cases (now 11480), +32 deaths (now 189) since 5 hours ago — Balochistan, Pakistan: +358 cases (now 2017), +4 deaths (now 26) since 5 hours ago — Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan: +957 cases (now 4669), +42 deaths (now 245) since 5 hours ago09:21
Trippy72394yeah we get a few biggies from time to tim09:21
Trippy72394time09:21
Trippy72394how much is a coconut?09:21
tinwhiskers$209:21
Trippy72394that's 2 nz dollars or usd?09:21
tinwhiskersthat's about $US109:21
Trippy72394that's a lot!!09:21
tinwhiskersTongan Pa'anga $209:21
Trippy72394that's more than china09:22
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 07:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Use common sense to see loved-ones outdoors – Dominic Raab → https://is.gd/sZHCZb09:22
tinwhiskersyeah, it's super-expensive here09:22
Trippy72394you are like me, lucky to be in a safe zone09:22
Trippy72394i'm so sorry about people in the covid places09:22
Trippy72394it's terrible09:22
tinwhiskerseverything at the market costs more than we pay back in NZ and you can barely get anything in the shops.09:22
Trippy72394becuase of covid or noramlly?09:22
tinwhiskersit's very third world here09:22
tinwhiskersnormally09:22
Trippy72394wow09:22
tinwhiskersit's terribly disorganised and corrupt09:23
Trippy72394well, you don't have a lot of farmland and manufactured goods have to come from somewhere else right09:23
Trippy72394i know what you mean, the carribean countries can be like that09:23
tinwhiskersthey frequently run out of fuel or various staples just because people can't figure out basic logistics09:23
Trippy72394dear oh dear.09:23
Trippy72394i guess that self sufficiency you were talking about makes sense09:23
tinwhiskersI've been around a countries in the pacific and Toinga stands out on its own as the most incompetent.09:23
Trippy72394do you grow your own food?09:23
Trippy72394really? wow09:24
Trippy72394good restuarants though?09:24
Trippy72394like for tourists?09:24
Trippy72394do tourists get ripped off?09:24
tinwhiskersnah, it's not very touristy. there's a couple of restaurants here.09:24
tinwhiskerseveryone gets ripped off, but the tourists aren't charged more, generally.09:25
Trippy72394i see09:25
Trippy72394what veggies do you have?09:25
Trippy72394how much is a medium quality restuarant for two in the evening, a bit touristy.09:25
Trippy72394and what do the locals eat at the cheapo resturant for lunch or breakfast?09:26
tinwhiskersI grow heaps of papaya; more than I can eat, and bananas, taro, coconuts, spinach, tomatoes, sugar cane... erm. mangos... I feel I'm foretting something important09:26
Trippy72394what's your local food that everyone likes?09:26
Trippy72394papaya, yes we get those on the side of the road for free too09:26
tinwhiskersheh09:26
Trippy72394bananas, of course, taro makes you fat, spinach eh?  09:26
tinwhiskersyou pay about US$2 for a papaya and for a medium bunch of bananas about US$309:27
Trippy72394Your tomatoes must be good, not hothouse rubbish09:27
tinwhiskersoh, breadfruit09:27
Trippy72394sugar cane will rot your teeth my friend!!!09:27
Trippy72394mangoes = diabetes! hahaha09:27
tinwhiskersactually the tomatoes are terrible. really hard to grow them here09:27
Trippy72394Breadfood is gross. never figured out how to eat that09:27
tinwhiskersI like breadfruit!09:27
Trippy72394what????? 2 bucks for a papaya? wow!09:27
Trippy72394crazy. how do you eat breadfruit09:27
Trippy72394bananas here are 60 cents usd a pound09:28
Trippy72394do you do pounds or kg?09:28
tinwhiskersboil it for half an hour then slice it up and fry the slices as chips. they're great09:28
Trippy72394ok boil it for half an hour then slice it and throw it in the garbage, ok09:28
Trippy72394ahahaha09:28
Trippy72394kidding  09:28
Trippy72394sounds good actually09:28
Trippy72394don't have that here09:28
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Trippy72394you have a lot of cars?09:29
Trippy72394my darling beside me wants to know about the resturant meal prices?09:29
tinwhiskersvery few motorbokes but not a lot of cars. most people can't afford cars09:29
tinwhiskersmost people are subsistence farmers really09:29
Trippy72394i know i'm bombing you with too many questions. :)09:29
Trippy72394lots of subsistence farmers here too09:29
tinwhiskersso a main at a restaurant is about US$ 10-2009:30
Trippy72394fantastic veg here, absolutely top drawer09:30
Trippy7239410-20, ok09:30
tinwhiskersI bet09:30
Trippy72394that's not bad09:30
Trippy72394so breakfast and lunch local food?09:30
tinwhiskersI was planning to go to vietnam.... now, but for covid,, and was hoping to pop over the border to china for as bit of a nosy09:30
Trippy72394those fruit prices are they kg or pounds or what?09:31
tinwhiskersThe local I lease this land from told me he hasn't eaten a vegetable since he went to school09:31
tinwhiskershe's about 6009:31
Trippy72394really? so what does he eat?09:31
Trippy72394how do people not eat greens? odd.09:31
tinwhiskersthey eat a lot of fatty meat, canned meat, breadfruit09:31
Trippy72394wow09:31
Trippy72394is everyone fat?09:32
tinwhiskersyes, it's like the fattest country in the world09:32
Trippy72394like corned beef right?09:32
Trippy72394wow09:32
tinwhiskersyeah, corned beef (I love corned beef)09:32
Trippy72394a lot of that is the mauri genetics though, surely09:32
Trippy72394i love it too09:32
tinwhiskersheh09:32
tinwhiskersPolynesian, yeah.  09:32
Trippy72394i must learn to make it myself so i don't have to buy it in tins09:33
Trippy72394is bacon expensive?09:33
tinwhiskersyeah, but not too bad.09:33
Trippy72394i figured out how to make raw pork belly into bacon in like two seconds at home09:33
Trippy72394because bacon is a fortune here and pork is quite cheap.09:33
tinwhiskersreally? how'd you do that?09:33
tinwhiskersback in NZ I farmed sheep and pigs so not having lots of meat is a bit of a shock to the system09:34
Trippy72394well, you wrap a big piece of tinfoil round a cylinder, like a rolling pin or bigger09:34
tinwhiskersyeah...09:34
Trippy72394then you twist the bottom end shut09:34
Trippy72394pour a few tablespons of cracked corn or cornmeal into the bottom09:34
Trippy72394you hang pork stirps from a string.09:35
Trippy72394lower the string of pork into the tube of tinfoil09:35
Trippy72394so the strips are suspended within the tube 09:35
Trippy72394don't let the pork be down so far that it touches the corn.09:35
Trippy72394then you twist the top of the tinfoil tube to seal in the pork09:36
Trippy72394then you have like a vertical rocket of tinfoil with a twisted bottom end and twisted top and with hanging form a string09:36
Trippy72394with the pork suspended inside.09:36
tinwhiskersok09:36
Trippy72394you hang the whole thing over a heat source, even a candle or low stove09:36
Trippy72394the corn smokes09:36
tinwhiskerswow09:36
Trippy72394punch a small hole at the top of the tube optional09:37
Trippy72394in 20 min done09:37
tinwhiskersoh, ok. hot-smoked pork strips.09:37
Trippy72394remove the pork it is yellow and lovely09:37
tinwhiskersnice09:37
Trippy72394freeze it half way so it is stiff09:37
Trippy72394then it cuts nicely ready for the freezer09:37
Trippy72394works great09:37
Trippy72394lovely and no chemicals09:37
Trippy72394done09:37
Trippy72394end of story09:37
Trippy72394:)09:37
tinwhiskersI used to smoke a lot back home but just this week got as big pot for the purpose. I'm gonna try hot-smoked skipjack tuna.09:37
Trippy72394nice09:38
tinwhiskersoh, get this. back home we would sell young, unfattened pigs for about US$20. Here you pay US$500 for the same size. Pigs are nearly like gold.09:38
Trippy72394smoked fish eh? might try that09:38
tinwhiskersthe bacon is imported09:38
Trippy72394how heavy?09:38
tinwhiskersmaybe 15 kg09:38
Trippy72394wow. we roast those here. mmmmmmm09:38
tinwhiskersweaned but not much more09:38
tinwhiskersyeah, most people roast 09:38
Trippy72394so a kg of pork there is how much?09:38
tinwhiskersI have no idea.09:39
Trippy72394ok09:39
Trippy72394how do you smoke something in a big pot?09:39
Trippy72394worried about mercury in those big fish? 09:39
tinwhiskersit's very rare. you can get some imported pork. The thing is there's pigs walking around all the streets on the mainland but they are just stupidly over-priced09:39
tinwhiskersno mercury to worry about here09:40
Trippy72394good09:40
Trippy72394wow, so a restaurant dinner would be chicken likely right?09:40
Trippy72394oh and again, breakfast and lunch for locals? what do they like?09:40
tinwhiskersthey spit-roast pigs at festivals a lot, and at church (very religious here)09:40
Trippy72394like famous street food...09:40
Trippy72394yes, the maps showed lots of churches everywhere09:41
tinwhiskersthe street food here is gag-worthy.09:41
Trippy72394gag-worthy hahahaha09:41
Trippy72394example?09:41
tinwhiskersthere's a few little stalls. some sell double-fried chicken (which is actually pretty good) but otherwise they have the foul soggy things they call doughnuts that are like slime09:41
Trippy72394ahaahhha09:42
tinwhiskersthen there's cold little pink sausages with stale congealed noodles09:42
Trippy72394the chicken does sound tood09:42
tinwhiskerstapioca09:42
Trippy72394spicey? 09:42
tinwhiskersno. bland.09:42
Trippy72394tapioca can be okay09:42
tinwhiskersthey don't use ANY spcies here09:42
Trippy72394bland, yes, like here09:42
Trippy72394they just kick a chicken into a pot of hot water here and call it food09:42
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Trippy72394yes, same here09:42
Trippy72394great ingredients and cheap but rubbish restaurants09:43
Trippy72394oh, and remember, china has never ever ever seen anything but tons of money and easy times09:43
tinwhiskerstongans pretty much just do a boil-up. Throw some chicken legs and some instant noodles into a big pot. boil for hours. It's horrible and flavourless.09:43
Trippy72394anyone under like 40 has never seen a bad day09:43
Trippy72394boil up hahahah09:43
tinwhiskersreally09:43
Trippy72394gross09:44
tinwhiskersno frying... horrible09:44
Trippy72394nasty. someone should teach them to cook09:44
Trippy72394hey you have nz people and chinese people09:44
tinwhiskersthey love it like that. they don't like palangi food09:44
Trippy72394surely they can teach them09:44
Trippy72394ah09:44
Trippy72394they don't know what they're missing09:44
tinwhiskersyeah, well, there's no accounting for taste, eh09:45
Trippy72394in china, all the restaurants on the street are like sichuan food, hubei food, beijing food. all chinese09:45
tinwhiskersbut the street food is good though, right?09:45
Trippy72394i tell them in the west it's like chinese food, italian food, mexican food, and they had no idea09:45
Trippy72394the street food is all identical09:45
tinwhiskersah. I see09:45
Trippy72394chicken wings and well, actually they stopped street food in hainan09:46
tinwhiskerswe get that with the "china-shops" here. they all sell exactly the same things :-)09:46
Trippy72394all outoor restuarants and roadside bbq got shut down years ago09:46
Trippy72394odd isn't it. 09:46
tinwhiskersoh. why?09:46
Trippy72394i guess roaches and rats and hygiene09:46
tinwhiskersah09:46
Trippy72394it was pretty gross before09:46
Trippy72394hainan went from gross to singapore in like 10 years09:47
tinwhiskersSo, like the street food in vietnam is meant to be awesome. China is not like that?09:47
Trippy72394there used to be chickens and cows and even dirt roads in the city centre09:47
Trippy72394now it's like singapore09:47
tinwhiskerscool09:47
Trippy72394amazing transformation09:47
Trippy72394the govertnment in china rocks09:47
tinwhiskersreally\09:47
tinwhiskersthat's kinda strange to hear09:47
Trippy72394they really did lift everone out of poverty here09:47
Trippy72394people think it's like n korea, but it's not. it's really good09:47
Trippy72394western media is so full of it09:48
tinwhiskersof course you would have to say that :-)09:48
Trippy72394nah09:48
tinwhiskersheh09:48
Trippy72394 i can say what i want09:48
tinwhiskersI'm kidding09:48
Trippy72394the govt here just doesn't want people organizing agians them09:48
tinwhiskerswe get a lot of china-bashing going on in here09:48
Trippy72394they don't want groups forming to make chaos09:48
Trippy72394they want stability09:48
Trippy72394i know, tons09:48
Trippy72394and hey, those wet markets wer a stupid paln09:49
Trippy72394stupid plan09:49
Trippy72394after SARS they should have shut all that down and really clean up their act09:49
Trippy72394now i hope they will09:49
timeaftersometimthere's close to ten thousand wet markets in China though09:49
timeaftersometimhard to clean them all up09:49
tinwhiskerswell, the wet markets per se, are not bad. everyone has those. it's the more exotic animals they were allowing09:49
Trippy72394this world is getting way to small to monkey with diseases like that09:49
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Trippy72394yes i mean those09:50
tinwhiskerseveryone has fish markets and fresh produce, which would be called wet markets09:50
Trippy72394and also here in hainan we had markets that were pretty grtoss09:50
Trippy72394cats and dogs and squirrels and stuff09:50
tinwhiskersyeah09:50
tinwhiskersthey eat dogs here too :-)09:50
tinwhiskersand bats09:50
Trippy72394that's prety mucg gone now, but not until recently09:50
Trippy72394the dog thing is quite gone09:50
Trippy72394a bit in the country side09:50
timeaftersometimif it has four legs and it's not furniture ;)09:50
Trippy72394the cat thing was never very big09:50
Trippy72394ahahahah yes09:50
Trippy72394but from what i read  it's not really the wet markets09:51
BrainstormUpdates for Russia: +11656 cases (now 221344), +94 deaths (now 2009) since a day ago — World: +12573 cases (now 4.2 million), +114 deaths (now 284100) since 46 minutes ago — Ukraine: +416 cases (now 15648), +17 deaths (now 408) since a day ago — Estonia: +2 cases (now 1741), +1 deaths (now 61) since 23 hours ago09:51
Trippy72394they were hubs09:51
timeaftersometimwhoa russia09:51
Trippy72394it looks like poeple encroached into forests and stuff and that's where bats were09:51
Trippy72394and farmers got guano in caves and things09:51
Trippy72394it's people getting into nature where these virus reservoirs are 09:52
Trippy72394russia is going to explode09:52
timeaftersometimdang09:52
tinwhiskersTrippy72394: yeah09:52
Trippy72394i'm so surprised india and indonesia and place haven't exploded09:52
tinwhiskersthey are...09:52
Trippy72394brazil is looking bad09:52
timeaftersometimdepends on the amount of testing countries are doing09:52
Trippy72394i'm so worried about food shortages around the world cause big problems09:52
Trippy72394yes!09:52
tinwhiskersstrange how long it took for india to get going though09:52
Trippy72394that's what i've been saying. maybe india is huge with the virus and we don't know09:53
Trippy72394yes strange09:53
tinwhiskersmaybe09:53
Trippy72394we broke earth09:53
Trippy72394and now covid, and next food riots and starvation, and next trump making wwiii, and next, the bright flash09:53
Trippy72394humans!09:53
Trippy72394hahahaha09:54
timeaftersometim!covid india09:54
CoronaBotIndia: Global rank: #14, cases: 67,259 (+98), fatalities: 2,212, active cases: 44,078, total recovered: 20,969, in a serious condition: -. Mortality: 3.29%, case fatality rate: 9.54%, cases/1M: 49.0, deaths/1M: 2.0. Case rate: 4,353/24h, death rate: 111/24h. Tests: 1,673,688, tests/1M: 1,213.09:54
Trippy72394that's a lot09:54
Trippy72394thanks for the figures09:54
timeaftersometimit's a good time not to have kids09:54
Trippy72394i have no kids and never will09:54
timeaftersometimnice09:54
Trippy72394soon people will be saying "it's a good time to eat the kids"09:54
timeaftersometimsave them the horror of actually living out their lives09:55
timeaftersometimon a broken earth09:55
Trippy72394yes, and have a good meal!09:55
Trippy72394two birds one stone09:55
timeaftersometimlet's not stray too far from topic now XD09:56
Trippy72394and to think, without killing a person, if we only didn't breed for a while, we'd be down to half a billion and all's well09:56
Trippy72394hahahaha09:56
Trippy72394i don't think anyone's using this channel much at this time. anyhow, i'll get off. time to get onto dinner.  Kids?!09:57
Trippy72394hahaha09:57
tinwhiskerscatch you round Trippy7239409:57
Trippy72394by all, see you soon, stay safe09:57
timeaftersometimahaha see ya09:57
timeaftersometimstay safe09:57
Trippy72394it's been nice09:57
Trippy72394you too09:57
Trippy72394:)09:57
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DocScrutinizer05new slightly pimped design at h ttp://reisenweber.net/et_al/covid/covid19_statistics.htm german RKI-based statistics14:17
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DocScrutinizer05lol  https://i.imgur.com/GN8IBOx.png  da hat kate zu schnaufen die eine 1.6MB lange zeile dann zu laden14:30
DocScrutinizer05um nicht zu sagen, das klappt nicht mehr wirklich so toll14:32
DocScrutinizer05ich glaub, bei jedem gotfocus() und cursor-move blockiert der syntax-highlighter in kate fuer 20s einen core meiner CPU komplett14:33
DocScrutinizer05damn, da waer ich fast im swap-loch versunken - grad noch auf VT1 einloggen und ein `killall kate` abfeuern koennen... mit 5 minuten warten14:41
DocScrutinizer05X-P14:41
generaneeds more RAM14:42
DocScrutinizer05ooops ETAB, sorry14:43
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DocScrutinizer05genera: it seems to have allocated >10GB of RAM, then swap hell started. Note to self: don't use kate search(&replace) on 1.5Mbyte long lines14:46
DocScrutinizer05as a rule of thumb, never use Qt-based editors on large files, since Qt may use up to 300 times the number of bytes in text for RAM. The beauty of OO when each char is an object ;-P14:49
BrainstormNew from BMJ at 12:46 UTC: Covid-19: Concern about social care’s ability to cope with pandemics was raised two years ago: Mounting criticism of UK ministers’ failure to prevent the spread of covid-19 through care homes has been fanned by the leak of a government report from two years ago warning that the country was ill... → https://is.gd/cgmgsL14:50
DocScrutinizer05or was it 3000?14:50
BrainstormUpdates for Saudi Arabia: +1966 cases (now 41014), +9 deaths (now 255) since 23 hours ago — Georgia: +1 deaths (now 11) since 5 hours ago — Sweden: +348 cases (now 26670), +31 deaths (now 3256) since a day ago — Puerto Rico, US: +58 cases (now 2256), +2 deaths (now 113) since 20 hours ago14:52
genera*nod*14:53
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 12:49 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: As lockdowns are eased coronavirus spread will raise new questions → https://is.gd/OyYIVI14:57
BrainstormUpdates for OErebro, Sweden: +18 cases (now 1440), +7 deaths (now 90) since 11 hours ago — Vaermland, Sweden: +3 cases (now 271), +4 deaths (now 21) since 11 hours ago — Vaesternorrland, Sweden: +14 cases (now 351), +1 deaths (now 52) since 11 hours ago — Joenkoeping, Sweden: +31 cases (now 998), +3 deaths (now 96) since 11 hours ago15:07
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 13:03 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Nicola Sturgeon says Boris Johnson lockdown changes not safe for Scotland → https://is.gd/58dS0F15:11
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 13:05 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Germany’s Das Bild Says ‘Lockdown Was a Huge Mistake’ → https://is.gd/HnZQLc15:18
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Cheap, rapid tests expand US toolbox, Germany on watch as restrictions eased → https://is.gd/xoeeHt15:25
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 13:25 UTC: nCoV: Germany surge sounds coronavirus alarm as world takes steps to reopen | 11MAY20 → https://is.gd/s5YFOQ15:32
BrainstormUpdates for Virginia, US: +989 cases (now 25070), +11 deaths (now 850) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +3877 cases (now 223060), +210 deaths (now 32065) since 21 hours ago — Serbia: +62 cases (now 10176), +3 deaths (now 218) since a day ago — US: +989 cases (now 1.4 million), +11 deaths (now 80800) since 42 minutes ago15:37
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:34 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: How clothes shopping is going to change; Shanghai Disneyland reopens → https://is.gd/xoeeHt15:39
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 13:42 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: COVID-19: Vestizione e svestizione con dispositivi di protezione individuale → https://is.gd/ApSqG615:46
izrussia is gonna hit #2 soon15:49
BrainstormUpdates for Omsk, Russia: +23 cases (now 302), +1 deaths (now 7) since 12 hours ago — Ivanovo, Russia: +85 cases (now 843), +1 deaths (now 11) since 12 hours ago — Tomsk, Russia: +69 cases (now 279), +1 deaths (now 3) since 12 hours ago — Saratov, Russia: +92 cases (now 1168), +1 deaths (now 5) since 12 hours ago15:52
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:49 UTC: (news): FDA grants emergency use authorization to Abbott Labs' coronavirus antibody test → https://is.gd/3gSf0B15:53
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 13:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: How clothes shopping is going to change; Shanghai Disneyland reopens → https://is.gd/xoeeHt15:59
BrainstormUpdates for Tajikistan: +49 cases (now 661), +1 deaths (now 21) since 2 days ago — Nepal: +13 cases (now 134) since 5 hours ago — US: +117 cases (now 1.4 million), +5 deaths (now 80807) since 18 minutes ago — World: +180 cases (now 4.2 million), +6 deaths (now 284788) since 18 minutes ago16:07
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 14:05 UTC: Coronavirus live news: more new cases in China as parts of Europe ease restrictions: Boris Johnson’s plans for UK labelled vague and divisive; China records new cases in Wuhan and Shulan; New Zealand to move to level 2 restrictions → https://is.gd/Mmz09J16:13
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:17 UTC: (news): FDA grants emergency use authorization to Abbott Labs' new coronavirus antibody test → https://is.gd/3gSf0B16:20
BrainstormUpdates for Saxony-Anhalt, Germany: +213 cases (now 4915), +20 deaths (now 187) since 7 hours ago — Maryland, US: +786 cases (now 33373), +39 deaths (now 1683) since 23 hours ago — US: +786 cases (now 1.4 million), +39 deaths (now 80846) since 20 minutes ago — India: +1065 cases (now 68789), +8 deaths (now 2223) since an hour ago16:23
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 14:23 UTC: Coronavirus live news: more new cases in China as parts of Europe ease restrictions: Boris Johnson’s plans for UK labelled vague and divisive; China records new cases in Wuhan and Shulan; New Zealand to move to level 2 restrictions → https://is.gd/Mmz09J16:27
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Working from home is here to stay; White House advisor Navarro threatens China → https://is.gd/xoeeHt16:34
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:37 UTC: American companies spent years in an economic boom. Then the coronavirus hit: The pandemic could cast a long shadow, permanently changing how companies spend money, sell goods and run their businesses. → https://is.gd/ZYUmm916:41
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: A Rapid Decrease in Stroke, Acute Coronary Syndrome, and Corresponding Interventions at 65 United States Hospitals Following Emergence of COVID-19 (54 votes) | https://redd.it/ghlkok16:43
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:43 UTC: (news): UK government warns of 'large epidemic waves' of coronavirus as it unveils new lockdown rules → https://is.gd/rkmraD16:49
BrainstormUpdates for Mozambique: +12 cases (now 103) since 23 hours ago — Florida, US: +386 cases (now 40982), +14 deaths (now 1735) since 21 hours ago — South Africa: +637 cases (now 10652), +12 deaths (now 206) since 19 hours ago — North Carolina, US: +51 cases (now 14996), +2 deaths (now 567) since an hour ago16:53
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 14:46 UTC: Coronavirus: Cover faces in some public areas, people in England told: The advice to aim to wear face coverings in some public transport and shops is in a new government document on easing lockdown. → https://is.gd/bpLOQS16:56
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Working from home is here to stay; White House advisor Navarro threatens China → https://is.gd/xoeeHt17:02
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Neutrophil calprotectin identifies severe pulmonary disease in COVID-19 (50 votes) | https://redd.it/gh02os17:07
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:07 UTC: (news): FDA grants emergency use authorization to Abbott Labs' new coronavirus antibody test → https://is.gd/3gSf0B17:09
BrainstormUpdates for Iowa, US: +414 cases (now 12373), +6 deaths (now 271) since a day ago — US: +466 cases (now 1.4 million), +7 deaths (now 80869) since 37 minutes ago — Iraq: +51 cases (now 2818), +1 deaths (now 110) since 23 hours ago — India: +360 cases (now 69149), +26 deaths (now 2249) since an hour ago17:23
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:20 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Working from home is here to stay; White House advisor Navarro threatens China → https://is.gd/xoeeHt17:23
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Men's blood contains greater concentrations of enzyme that helps COVID-19 infect cells (51 votes) | https://redd.it/ghobbc17:25
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:26 UTC: (news): UK government warns of 'large epidemic waves' of coronavirus as it unveils new lockdown rules → https://is.gd/rkmraD17:30
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:42 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Mnuchin backs Tesla in push to restart production, UK details plans to reopen → https://is.gd/xoeeHt17:44
BrainstormUpdates for Amazonas, Colombia: +97 cases (now 527), +6 deaths (now 23) since 14 hours ago — Omsk, Russia: +23 cases (now 302), +1 deaths (now 7) since an hour ago — Maharashtra, India: +1943 cases (now 22171), +53 deaths (now 832) since an hour ago — Tamil Nadu, India: +669 cases (now 7204), +3 deaths (now 47) since an hour ago17:53
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:55 UTC: (news): UK government warns of 'large epidemic waves' of coronavirus as it unveils new lockdown rules → https://is.gd/rkmraD17:58
BrainstormNew from Scientific American at 16:00 UTC: How Behavioral Science Can Help Contain the Coronavirus: A new global survey could help us understand why some people follow to rules for avoiding COVID-19 and others don’t -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/AvjFV518:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:08 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Mnuchin backs Tesla in push to restart production, UK details plans to reopen → https://is.gd/xoeeHt18:12
Haley[mt][m]!cases germany18:17
CovBotIn Germany there have been a total of 171,999 cases as of 2020-05-11 16:01:00 UTC. Of these 18,830 (10.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 145,600 (84.7%) have definitely recovered and 7,569 (4.4%) have died.18:17
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 16:15 UTC: Coronavirus: Cover faces in some public areas, people in England told: Wearing face coverings on public transport and in some shops is advised in a new government document on easing the lockdown. → https://is.gd/bpLOQS18:19
BrainstormUpdates for Cuba: +17 cases (now 1783) since 19 hours ago — Rhode Island, US: +176 cases (now 11450), +8 deaths (now 430) since a day ago — Indiana, US: +501 cases (now 24627), +32 deaths (now 1540) since 23 hours ago — Arizona, US: +261 cases (now 11380), +6 deaths (now 542) since 23 hours ago18:23
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Mnuchin backs Tesla in push to restart production, UK details plans to reopen → https://is.gd/xoeeHt18:26
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 16:29 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Charles Ornstein su Twitter: "NY numbers continue to come down. Good news. "Now we can intelligently turn to reopening," Cuomo says.… " → https://is.gd/qxjnXt18:33
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:36 UTC: (news): UK government warns of 'large epidemic waves' of coronavirus as it unveils new lockdown rules → https://is.gd/rkmraD18:40
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:43 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Mnuchin backs Tesla in push to restart production, UK details plans to reopen → https://is.gd/xoeeHt18:47
Jigsy%cases world19:00
BrainstormJigsy: In all areas, worldwide, there have been 8.5 million confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 570805 deaths (6.7% of cases) as of 15 hours ago. 96.8 million tests were performed (8.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.2% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 15.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=worldwide for time series data.19:00
Jigsy...19:00
Jigsy8.5!?19:00
JigsyThat shot up from yesterday by four million?19:00
JigsyThat can't be right, surely?19:00
generai see two bots, which differ by factor 219:01
LjLerr yeah that's definitely wrong, i think i know why, hold on19:01
LjLthere wasn't a "world" entry for a while so the bot calculated it itself19:01
LjLi think now it's calculating it *and also* adding the world figure19:02
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 17:04 UTC: Coronavirus: Cover faces in some public areas, people in England told: Wearing face coverings on public transport and in some shops is advised in a new government document on easing the lockdown. → https://is.gd/bpLOQS19:08
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Dr. Fauci says football is perfect environment to spread coronavirus (10266 votes) | https://redd.it/ghmp6s19:14
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:12 UTC: BioAegis says its 'inflammation regulator' is best weapon to fight Covid-19: BioAegis Therapeutics is currently awaiting FDA approval to begin testing its plasma gelsolin therapy on Covid-19 patients. The company says its treatment prevents the damage caused by excess inflammation without suppressing the immune system [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/BcrJw319:15
BrainstormUpdates for Jordan: +22 cases (now 562) since a day ago — Delaware, US: +118 cases (now 6565), +1 deaths (now 225) since a day ago — Minnesota, US: +528 cases (now 11799), +13 deaths (now 591) since a day ago — Mississippi, US: +173 cases (now 9674), +5 deaths (now 435) since a day ago19:20
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 17:19 UTC: Coronavirus: Cover faces in some public areas, people in England told: Wearing face coverings on public transport and in some shops is advised in a new government document on easing the lockdown. → https://is.gd/bpLOQS19:22
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:27 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US death toll nears 80,000, Mnuchin backs Tesla in push to restart production → https://is.gd/xoeeHt19:29
Mr_PinkMnuchin tryin' to get a free Tesla for his trophy wife19:30
BrainstormUpdates for Liberia: +12 cases (now 211) since 2 days ago — New Jersey, US: +922 cases (now 140930), +48 deaths (now 9312) since 17 hours ago — Pennsylvania, US: +501 cases (now 60557), +20 deaths (now 3843) since 18 hours ago — US: +1423 cases (now 1.4 million), +68 deaths (now 81099) since 17 minutes ago19:36
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 17:30 UTC: Essential poll: Guardian Essential poll: Australians more comfortable with easing of coronavirus rules → https://is.gd/gtveYC19:36
LjLlol, random sign posted somewhere in italy19:43
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus inflammatory syndrome is causing heart and kidney failure in some NYC kids → https://is.gd/gvQdmR19:43
LjL"ATTENTION: Your nose must be kept behind the mask, or else it's like wearing underwear and keeping the dick out"19:43
LjLstay classy italy19:44
LjLbut still, this is pretty ridiculous, the amount of people i see with masks BUT with the nose not in the mask19:44
blkshpI saw a woman working the other day and her mask was over her ponytail19:48
blkshpon the back of her head!19:48
LjLstylish!19:48
blkshpI thought so :D19:49
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 17:44 UTC: Airline industry: Aviation bosses raise 'serious concern' over UK quarantine plans → https://is.gd/iWKrWa19:50
BrainstormUpdates for Santiago, Chile: +3338 cases (now 21317), +15 deaths (now 172) since 16 hours ago — Antofagasta, Chile: +91 cases (now 1014), +1 deaths (now 10) since 16 hours ago — Arica y Parinacota, Chile: +24 cases (now 351), +1 deaths (now 7) since 16 hours ago — Valparaiso, Chile: +142 cases (now 970), +3 deaths (now 21) since 16 hours ago19:51
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:54 UTC: (news): UK PM Boris Johnson's new 'stay alert' coronavirus warning criticized as 'confused' and 'nonsensical' → https://is.gd/1hs2T119:57
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 17:59 UTC: Coronavirus: Cover faces in some public areas, people in England told: Wearing face coverings on public transport and in some shops is advised in a new government document on easing the lockdown. → https://is.gd/bpLOQS20:04
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:08 UTC: (news): CDC identifies 5,000 additional deaths in New York City that may have been caused by the coronavirus → https://is.gd/gMALn320:11
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:16 UTC: (news): UK government warns of 'large epidemic waves' of coronavirus as it unveils new lockdown rules → https://is.gd/rkmraD20:18
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Selection of homemade mask materials for preventing transmission of COVID-19: a laboratory study (50 votes) | https://redd.it/ghooqr20:20
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:22 UTC: (news): CDC finds New York City coronavirus death toll may be much worse than official tally → https://is.gd/gMALn320:25
ubLXIhttps://www.nakedcapitalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/00-air-connectivity-coronavirus-.png20:35
ubLXI%title https://www.bbc.com/news/business-5261059420:36
BrainstormubLXI: From www.bbc.com: Coronavirus: French arrivals exempt from UK quarantine plans - BBC News20:36
BrainstormUpdates for North Sumatra, Indonesia: +17 cases (now 196), +3 deaths (now 24) since 16 hours ago — United Arab Emirates: +680 cases (now 18878), +3 deaths (now 201) since a day ago — Ohio, US: +696 cases (now 24777), +16 deaths (now 1357) since 23 hours ago — Missouri, US: +85 cases (now 10093), +6 deaths (now 503) since 18 hours ago20:36
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US death toll nears 80,000, WHO warns of more cases after lockdowns lifted → https://is.gd/xoeeHt20:40
trajanus[m]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSbT7JVNEU420:42
ubLXI%title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSbT7JVNEU420:43
BrainstormubLXI: From www.youtube.com: George Carlin - Germs and Immune System - SUBSCRIBE to Metal Matt - YouTube20:43
ubLXIfunny as far as it goes, trajanus[m], but about as biologically sophisticated as Nietzsche: What doesn't kill you... generally makes you weaker20:55
trajanus[m]Don't think solid virology would make for good comedy...... but who knows, maybe someone will step up.......21:05
trajanus[m]Certainly not Fauci :)21:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:02 UTC: CDC finds New York City coronavirus death toll may be much worse than official tally: There were an additional 5,293 deaths that weren't previously identified as confirmed or probable coronavirus cases that "might have been directly or indirectly attributable to the pandemic," the CDC says. → https://is.gd/gMALn321:08
nixonixthis indian preprint will be big, if proven correct: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.04.075911v121:13
nixonix%title21:14
Brainstormnixonix: From www.biorxiv.org: Global Spread of SARS-CoV-2 Subtype with Spike Protein Mutation D614G is Shaped by Human Genomic Variations that Regulate Expression of TMPRSS2 and MX1 Genes | bioRxiv21:14
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:10 UTC: Coronavirus patients discharged from hospitals report 'long struggle,' some relapse, WHO says: "Certainly, there have been some reported cases of putative relapse, so, people who have fallen sick again," said Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO's emergencies program. → https://is.gd/s9Djag21:15
BrainstormUpdates for Tennessee, US: +559 cases (now 15544), +8 deaths (now 251) since 23 hours ago — Wisconsin, US: +199 cases (now 10418), +9 deaths (now 409) since a day ago — Moldova: +68 cases (now 4995), +4 deaths (now 175) since 11 hours ago — Canada: +750 cases (now 69907), +85 deaths (now 4992) since 2 hours ago21:22
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus inflammatory syndrome is causing heart and kidney failure in some NYC kids → https://is.gd/gvQdmR21:22
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: US death toll nears 80,000, WHO warns of more cases after lockdowns lifted → https://is.gd/xoeeHt21:29
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:30 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY eases some restrictions as US death toll nears 80,000 → https://is.gd/xoeeHt21:36
BrainstormUpdates for Amazonas, Colombia: +97 cases (now 527), +6 deaths (now 23) since 17 minutes ago — Omsk, Russia: +23 cases (now 302), +1 deaths (now 7) since 17 minutes ago — Santiago, Chile: +3338 cases (now 21317), +15 deaths (now 172) since 17 minutes ago — Antofagasta, Chile: +91 cases (now 1014), +1 deaths (now 10) since 17 minutes ago21:37
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:37 UTC: Coronavirus patients discharged from hospitals report 'long struggle,' some relapse, WHO says: "Certainly, there have been some reported cases of putative relapse, so, people who have fallen sick again," said Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO's emergencies program. → https://is.gd/s9Djag21:43
DocScrutinizer05hmm, what does this _really_ mean for the pandemic? there's a virus variant that has higher affinity to european population. Well...21:46
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:41 UTC: CDC finds New York City coronavirus death toll may be much worse than official tally: There were an additional 5,293 deaths that weren't previously identified as confirmed or probable coronavirus cases that "might have been directly or indirectly attributable to the pandemic," the CDC says. → https://is.gd/gMALn321:50
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 19:47 UTC: Confusion and concern over coronavirus back-to-work advice: Manual workers report being called in at short notice, while others say lockdown has been business as usual → https://is.gd/CkPV5421:57
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:59 UTC: CDC finds New York City coronavirus death toll may be much worse than official tally: There were an additional 5,293 deaths that weren't previously identified as confirmed or probable coronavirus cases that "might have been directly or indirectly attributable to the pandemic," the CDC says. → https://is.gd/gMALn322:04
BrainstormUpdates for Yemen: +5 cases (now 56), +1 deaths (now 9) since 23 hours ago — Gambia: +2 cases (now 22) since 2 days ago — Illinois, US: +1266 cases (now 79007), +53 deaths (now 3459) since a day ago — Peru: +1515 cases (now 68822), +72 deaths (now 1961) since 23 hours ago22:07
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 20:08 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Moscow Sees 20% Surge in Mortality in April: Official Data - The Moscow Times → https://is.gd/g5CGUt22:11
weimarnetzbot[m]well... besides to deathcases, it could be we see a lot of lifetime-injured ppl, cured from covid, but keeping blind, or other things, for the rest of the life22:22
weimarnetzbot[m]*the-to22:22
weimarnetzbot[m]brain damage don't seems so uncommon22:23
weimarnetzbot[m]still unclear why... direct damage from virus in brain or other organs, or thrombosis (and such)22:24
msc386o/22:26
weimarnetzbot[m]moin moin msc386 22:27
LjLas a curiosity, this is the pamphlet that was distributed by the municipality of Milan (in Lombardy) for the 1918 flu epidemic: https://is.gd/EsPn4122:28
weimarnetzbot[m]point 1 yet so true!22:30
weimarnetzbot[m]about the gurgl!22:30
weimarnetzbot[m]*gargle22:31
weimarnetzbot[m]I gargle a lot with thymol solutions when I got the flu.... it really seems to help me, besides inhale thymol22:31
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 20:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Putin to ease Russia lockdown despite record number of new infections → https://is.gd/Mmz09J22:32
LjLi can't gargle, i've never really tried and i suspect i'd just choke a little22:35
weimarnetzbot[m]in younger years I often get hit hard by flu and suffered like a dog from it..... but after I started to gargle/inhale thymol a lot and wash my face and nose up to 20 times a day, I'am nearly symptomless while a flu22:35
atheodoI don't get why everybody is opening up, since the infections are going through the roof, and for places that have opened up already, their rates went right on up22:36
weimarnetzbot[m]LjL: inhale is better anyway.. it goes down to the lung22:36
weimarnetzbot[m]and as your mouth with itr, if you cant  gargle22:36
weimarnetzbot[m]to be "light in symptoms" could be a nice try to counter corona22:36
atheodowhere can we get thymol, will walmart have it?22:36
dunnpis thymol oily?22:36
weimarnetzbot[m]*slight22:37
LjL%wik thymol22:37
BrainstormLjL, from French Wikipedia: acide thymique, thym camphor, isopropyl méta-crésol, méta-thymol, 3-p-cymenol, timol. [... want %more?] → https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thymol22:37
weimarnetzbot[m]dunnp: it's a main chemical in in essential of thyme, ya22:37
LjL%wik :en thymol22:37
weimarnetzbot[m]*22:37
weimarnetzbot[m]oil22:37
BrainstormLjL, from English Wikipedia: Thymol (also known as 2-isopropyl-5-methylphenol, IPMP) is a natural monoterpenoid phenol derivative of cymene, C10H14O, isomeric with carvacrol, found in oil of thyme, and extracted from Thymus vulgaris (common thyme), Ajwain and various other kinds of plants as a white crystalline substance of a pleasant [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thymol22:37
weimarnetzbot[m]at least of the thymol type of thyme22:37
dunnpI don't see how that could help with the flu22:37
dunnpused to treat parasites22:38
weimarnetzbot[m]its often in better mouth washes like listerine22:38
weimarnetzbot[m]the PURPLE listerine at least22:38
weimarnetzbot[m]it helps to treat inflamation from mouth down to lung22:38
weimarnetzbot[m]it eases the pain22:38
weimarnetzbot[m]you really feel better22:38
dunnpcan't imagine gargling oily stuff22:39
dunnpew22:39
LjLoil down the lungs may also impair lung function i guess... see also: vaping22:39
LjLbut, well, it is an antiseptic22:39
weimarnetzbot[m]and a good trick to me seems, to drive out all the slime, that you can breath free...... it seems you dont feel so "bad" when you can breath free22:39
LjLbut, do also keep point 2) of the 1918 thing in mind ;)(22:39
weimarnetzbot[m]essential oil is just named "oil", it's nothing like what chemically is a real oil22:40
weimarnetzbot[m]there are more like phonoles etc22:40
weimarnetzbot[m]and no, not that unhealthy kind of phenol22:40
LjLessential oil is an oil22:40
weimarnetzbot[m]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thymol22:41
weimarnetzbot[m]is this a fatty acid or is it not?22:42
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:42 UTC: CDC finds New York City coronavirus death toll may be much worse than official tally: There were an additional 5,293 deaths that weren't previously identified as confirmed or probable coronavirus cases that "might have been directly or indirectly attributable to the pandemic," the CDC says. → https://is.gd/gMALn322:46
msc386weimarnetzbot[m] : Hello!22:46
weimarnetzbot[m]you inhale much more REAL oil while eating a burger in a burger restaurant, be sure ;-)22:47
bin_bashwhat22:47
weimarnetzbot[m]essential oils are a really a good tool to fight the symptoms that let ou feel "sick"22:48
weimarnetzbot[m]a flu with not so much syptoms, is a charm22:48
msc386What about the influenza tally for this season?  Is that addressed in these new numbers?  Do we even have the tally for this Influenza season?22:48
bin_basha flu without symptoms means your immune system isn't really doing shit, so idk what you're tsalking about22:48
dunnpi don't inhale oil...22:48
msc386Also, are the Influenza numbers being coonflated with the COVID-19 Numbers?22:49
msc386(Just wondering....)22:49
msc386(Because I really, honestly, don't know.)22:49
weimarnetzbot[m]dunnp: yep, coz you uld need to be an idiot to think such stuff is an oil ^^22:50
weimarnetzbot[m]thats whyyou would inhale no OIL22:50
weimarnetzbot[m]noone of us would22:50
weimarnetzbot[m]anyway, I can't imagine, that if you add a real "oil" to hot water, that it evaporates... damp pint is much higher22:51
nixonixin finland it looked like this (ili contacts in health centers): https://www.thl.fi/ttr/gen/kuvaaja/ili01.png22:52
dunnpmust be weimarnetzbot[m] 22:52
BrainstormUpdates for Bermuda: +1 cases (now 119), +1 deaths (now 8) since 4 days ago — Massachusetts, US: +669 cases (now 78462), +129 deaths (now 5108) since a day ago — Connecticut, US: +211 cases (now 33765), +41 deaths (now 3008) since a day ago — US: +986 cases (now 1.4 million), +171 deaths (now 81456) since 50 minutes ago22:52
weimarnetzbot[m]but it happens while you sit in a kittchen and make a steak... all that little tiny drops22:52
dunnp16:47 < weimarnetzbot[m]> you inhale much more REAL oil ...22:52
weimarnetzbot[m]ever noticed all tha fat on tha walls in a kittchen?22:52
dunnpbut we have ways of shutting that down22:53
weimarnetzbot[m]it's not little kitchen dwarfs smearing it there by night22:53
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:49 UTC: (news): CityMD mistakenly told 15,000 people with coronavirus antibodies they're immune → https://is.gd/CkKxv522:53
weimarnetzbot[m]essential oil of eucalyptus is another nice "tool" for a wellfeeling while having a flu.... it's very expectorant. that will help to free you of all that slime22:57
weimarnetzbot[m]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eucalyptus_oil#As_an_ingredient22:57
weimarnetzbot[m]but all that said... this all helps just against smptoms of mouth/throat, upper respiratory tract and lung22:59
weimarnetzbot[m]but, corona isn't just a thing of just that, as it seems now23:00
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 20:55 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY eases some restrictions as US death toll nears 80,000 → https://is.gd/xoeeHt23:00
weimarnetzbot[m]ah, and just a slight warning. I for my self react a it allergic on thymol when I use it undilluted...23:01
weimarnetzbot[m]so, be careful23:01
weimarnetzbot[m]test it in low quantites.. don't et in contact with pure solutions23:02
weimarnetzbot[m]you really want it just in a few PPMs in contact with you internally23:02
weimarnetzbot[m]but it's very normal for such things, to be problematic in higher doses23:04
LjLit's getting a bit too close to medical advice for my liking... keep in mind that we don't know how any of these substances react, and subjectively feeling better doesn't necessarily correlate to *being* better23:07
weimarnetzbot[m]well, at least for flu you can really sure if it helps you or not... if you start lacking of symptoms, you feel better... and mostly cure faster...... better areated lungs are simply better.,..23:08
weimarnetzbot[m]it's the same for taking aspirin, paracetamol, ibuprofen, etc when you got a flu.. it's not subjective... it helps to ease the symptoms... not only through the fact it "helps with pain", more the fact it hinders inflammational proesses23:13
weimarnetzbot[m]*c23:13
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 21:09 UTC: Australian politics: Coronavirus Australia live updates: NSW, Queensland, Victoria premiers on Q&A; parliament returns – latest news → https://is.gd/umb0XZ23:14
weimarnetzbot[m]the counteracting inflammational processes is one of the strenghs of thymol for example.... and no, not COX-1, a real COX-2 and a synergist for COX-123:20
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:15 UTC: New York state begins to ease some coronavirus restrictions this week, allows some outdoor businesses and activities: Low-risk businesses and activities, such as drive-in theaters and tennis, can reopen across the state on Friday as hospitalizations and infections from Covid-19 continue to decline, Cuomo said. → https://is.gd/pMT5B023:21
weimarnetzbot[m]that's IMHO how purple listerine works. the effect you don't feel so much pain with mouth lesions when you use it23:22
BrainstormUpdates for Cabo Verde: +14 cases (now 260) since a day ago — Utah, US: +111 cases (now 6362), +1 deaths (now 68) since a day ago — South Carolina, US: +139 cases (now 7792), +15 deaths (now 346) since a day ago — Oregon, US: +58 cases (now 3286), +3 deaths (now 130) since a day ago23:22
truthrit is being reported that the covid 19 virus went through 800 years of mutations in the lab23:23
weimarnetzbot[m]Or cough syrup where you got that effect in the throat23:23
weimarnetzbot[m]and when you inhale, you get it deeper23:23
msc386It did?23:26
msc386Any answer to my question about the numbers above?23:26
weimarnetzbot[m]800 years in bruce wanys batcave ^^23:26
msc386Heh, heh....23:26
msc386HorseShoe BatCave.23:27
msc386:P23:27
weimarnetzbot[m]coonflated in which way?23:28
weimarnetzbot[m]i germany a lot of ppl argued so, that the influenza would kill more, but I think that's not really true nowdays23:29
weimarnetzbot[m]there are so much deaths in italy or spain now..... imagine what would had happen without no lockdown.. the numbers would be much higher...23:30
weimarnetzbot[m]right yet23:31
weimarnetzbot[m]for influenza we don't do lockdowns...23:32
weimarnetzbot[m]and at all, should we further conflated this disease we call covid19 any longer with the flu? Or did we just do that becase some idiots did it in the begining?23:35
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 21:25 UTC: Australian politics: Coronavirus Australia live updates: NSW, Queensland, Victoria premiers on Q&A; parliament returns – latest news → https://is.gd/umb0XZ23:35
BrainstormUpdates for Kentucky, US: +237 cases (now 6677), +7 deaths (now 311) since a day ago — Brazil: +687 cases (now 166162), +34 deaths (now 11343) since 20 minutes ago — US: +245 cases (now 1.4 million), +9 deaths (now 81545) since 20 minutes ago — Texas, US: +8 cases (now 40305), +2 deaths (now 1140) since 20 minutes ago23:37
ryoumawhy do paopel speak as if the first wave is over?  in az, nm, etc. the curve is still rising.  despite lockdown lifting.23:42
weimarnetzbot[m]waves are regional i guess23:42
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:37 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: White House requires masks for staff, western states ask for $1 trillion in aid → https://is.gd/xoeeHt23:42
weimarnetzbot[m]it happens later the less ppl in that country left their country (bizz, holliday, second home)23:43
weimarnetzbot[m]there are so many regions corona is just not there yet23:43
weimarnetzbot[m]lets see23:44
weimarnetzbot[m]!cases polynesia23:44
CovBotWhich of these did you mean?23:44
CovBotFrench Polynesia23:44
CovBotFrench Polynesia, France23:44
weimarnetzbot[m] * !cases french polynesia23:44
CovBotIn French Polynesia there have been a total of 60 cases as of 2020-05-11 21:32:00 UTC. Of these 4 (6.7%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 56 (93.3%) have definitely recovered and 0 (0.0%) have died.23:44
weimarnetzbot[m]well at least 6023:44
weimarnetzbot[m]but mostly done and 0 died23:45
weimarnetzbot[m]and I dont think they have a reason to lie 23:45
weimarnetzbot[m]!cases easter island23:45
CovBotMy data doesn't seem to include easter island. It might be under a different name, data on it might not be available or there could even be no cases. You may have more luck if you try a less specific location, like the country it's in. 23:45
CovBotIf you think I should have data on it you can open an issue at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot/issues and Peter will take a look.23:45
weimarnetzbot[m]heh23:45
weimarnetzbot[m]well.. will count to chile i guess....23:46
weimarnetzbot[m]!cases azores23:46
CovBotMy data doesn't seem to include azores. It might be under a different name, data on it might not be available or there could even be no cases. You may have more luck if you try a less specific location, like the country it's in. 23:46
CovBotIf you think I should have data on it you can open an issue at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot/issues and Peter will take a look.23:46
weimarnetzbot[m]!cases faial23:46
CovBotMy data doesn't seem to include faial. It might be under a different name, data on it might not be available or there could even be no cases. You may have more luck if you try a less specific location, like the country it's in. 23:47
CovBotIf you think I should have data on it you can open an issue at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot/issues and Peter will take a look.23:47
weimarnetzbot[m]%cases pico23:47
Brainstormweimarnetzbot[m]: Sorry, pico not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.23:47
weimarnetzbot[m]tz ok no regional numbers23:47
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 21:46 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: White House requires masks for staff, Western states ask for $1 trillion in aid → https://is.gd/xoeeHt23:50
BrainstormUpdates for Cameroon: +110 cases (now 2689), +11 deaths (now 125) since a day ago — Texas, US: +322 cases (now 40627), +7 deaths (now 1147) since 20 minutes ago — Argentina: +231 cases (now 6265), +9 deaths (now 314) since 22 hours ago — US: +323 cases (now 1.4 million), +7 deaths (now 81552) since 20 minutes ago23:52
LjLryouma, i think the assumption is that the cases are "lagging behind" but in reality it has already tapered off... and/or it is just a bit of sloppy terminology, with some people taking for granted the second wave will "just" be a spike over the first wave23:59
LjLweimarnetzbot[m], if you want to call the bot a lot please do it in private messages with the bot23:59

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