libera/##covid-19/ Thursday, 2020-05-14

LjLnixonix, well it's a bit of a conundrum... the original links are sometimes VERY long when it comes to news sources00:02
LjLand IRC messages are length limited00:02
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:59 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Silver su Twitter: "US daily numbers via @COVID19Tracking: Newly reported deaths Today: 1,726 Yesterday: 1,510 One week ago (5/6): 1,949 Newly reported cases T: 22K Y: 20K 5/6: 25K Newly reported tests T: 336K Y: 289K 5/6: 242K Positive test rate T: 6% Y: 7% 5/6: 10%" → https://is.gd/dD3Zrb00:03
LjLanyway i thought that is.gd seemed to have decent policies and stuff00:03
LjLiirc00:03
nixonixwell my copypaste takes only second or so to use00:04
LjLoh well if that works for you i'm certainly not going to tell you not to do it. i'm just explaining why i chose to use URL shortening in the bot00:05
BrainstormUpdates for Mauritania: +6 cases (now 15) since 8 hours ago — New York, US: +64 cases (now 350646), +3 deaths (now 27285) since 5 hours ago — US: +101 cases (now 1.4 million), +5 deaths (now 84976) since 19 minutes ago — Texas, US: +17 cases (now 42984), +2 deaths (now 1206) since 19 minutes ago00:07
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:01 UTC: Republicans release list of Obama officials who sought to 'unmask' Flynn, including Biden – live: List was released by Senators Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper among officials listed Rick Bright: pandemic will ‘get far worse and be prolonged’ without a US response [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/OJjTFS00:10
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 22:21 UTC: Georgia tries to balance pressure to reopen economy with threat of coronavirus resurgence: Georgia's new coronavirus cases have plateaued, but it could take until the end of the month to know the effects of reopening the economy. → https://is.gd/ZHwCEC00:24
pynashorturls are cancer, IMO, but empathize with reasons you are using them anyway. its been a long time since i cared to keep up with any knowledge about the various remaining shurl services, but I know that at least one of them has a mechanism so clicking takes you to a middle page, that shows the full url and gives you a choice whether to click on, or close the tab00:31
pynaif is.gd has that, it might be nice to use it. admittedly, in this scenario, the bots aren't liars, so i'm not too worried about getting linkwinked00:32
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: Some NSW pubs to open from Friday as restrictions ease – latest updates → https://is.gd/M5RcsX00:38
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 22:45 UTC: Republicans release list of Obama officials who sought to 'unmask' Flynn, including Biden – live: List was released by Senators Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper among officials listed Rick Bright: pandemic will ‘get far worse and be prolonged’ without a US response [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/OJjTFS00:52
LjLpyna, on is.gd you may choose to always go to a "middle page" by setting a cookie at https://is.gd/previews.php00:59
pynanice, that's reasonable01:00
pynaand less work for you :)01:00
LjLalso01:00
LjLv.gd and is.gd are sister services, but are two separate URL shorteners. They're run by the same team and on the same platform, so their functionality is very similar. The main difference between them is that v.gd displays a link preview page by default whenever somebody visits one of its shortened URLs, but is.gd doesn't (by default it sends people straight to the link's destination). For this reason v.gd can be seen as a slightly "safer" option and is 01:00
LjLhandy for users who always want to know where a link goes before clicking it.01:00
LjLso maybe i could switch to v.gd, i dunno01:00
LjLthe main attractive over doing it manually is "oh, that's a v.gd link, so i *know* i'll be directed to a preview"... but how many people know v.gd?01:01
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Texas, which began to open its businesses at the beginning of May, sees 1,000 new coronavirus cases 5 days in a row (10162 votes) | https://redd.it/gizorw01:01
ryoumais there shneanigans with testing less in swing stantes and stuff?01:02
pynaand bd.vg if you need a rickroll service. and if it was updated to work in modern browsers better :(01:02
LjLryouma, don't know but i read something where He allegedly said something like "we must not test too much, it makes us look bad" out loud01:03
pynathe shenanigans i've heard mostly involve states with good GOP gov's getting better treatment than the states with bad democrat govs01:06
pynaone of the good states is Florida, which is the quintessential swing state, and trump's new "home"01:06
ryoumai like the idea of a preview page.  many like to not click on stuff that (1) they don't want to support and (2) they don't want to go to01:08
pynathat guy in here a few days ago trying to argue about whether "the notion that everyone should get tested is simply nonsensical" was "true" or not01:11
ryoumai think we will be getting a lot of veiled usa campaign messages on irc.  it occurred last time.01:12
ryoumaand news articles01:13
ryoumalike that biden thing above01:13
ryouma(actually duno did not look)01:13
pynaagree. i try not to make LjL's life worse, but i can't help mocking these folks with their own farts01:15
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 23:06 UTC: Why experts still believe in Haven's mission to change health care, even without Atul Gawande: We might be in the midst of a pandemic, but insiders say there are still opportunities to rethink employer-sponsored health care with the right CEO at the helm. → https://is.gd/zKx7pS01:20
pynaremember when that lancet study came out about the Iraq death count that the GOP didn't like? and suddenly every "independent" american was a statistician? and to this day, republicans think Lancet is a discredited political organization01:24
pynai been thinking about that a lot as i meet so many newly minted epidemiologists01:25
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:17 UTC: Republicans release list of Obama officials who sought to 'unmask' Flynn, including Biden – live: List was released by Senators Ron Johnson and Chuck Grassley James Comey, John Brennan and James Clapper among officials listed Rick Bright: pandemic will ‘get far worse and be prolonged’ without a US response [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/OJjTFS01:27
BrainstormUpdates for Argentina: +316 cases (now 6879), +8 deaths (now 329) since 9 hours ago — Sudan: +157 cases (now 1818), +10 deaths (now 90) since a day ago — Nebraska, US: +383 cases (now 9075), +4 deaths (now 107) since a day ago — Colorado, US: +318 cases (now 20475), +53 deaths (now 1062) since a day ago01:37
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 23:31 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump 'surprised' by Fauci's reopening warnings as WHO says Covid-19 may never go: Fauci’s comments ‘not acceptable’, says Trump; Moscow ascribed 60% of April coronavirus deaths to other causes; virus in every African country; follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/gITGtR01:41
pynalol "not acceptable". fair01:42
pyna"He wants to play all sides of the equation," Trump said of Fauci on Wednesday during a meeting with the governors of Colorado and North Dakota.01:43
pynaalso fair01:44
pyna"colorless green ideas sleep furiously," pyna said of Trump on Wednesday, paraphrasing some nerd during a meeting with his cat (also his pastor)01:45
pyna´before you accuse me of eating my cake while crying wolf on both sides of the coin and going all in unto others as you would have yourself do to the golden eggs, ask of yourself, in this beautiful country, "do _I_ have some dirt on the bidens?"01:50
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Treatment of COVID-19 Patients with Convalescent Plasma in Houston, Texas (80 votes) | https://redd.it/giz90k01:55
disillusionhttps://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/126033752084112588802:02
pynaoof i read this headline completely wrong and went on a wild google chase before actually reading an understanding the content https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/politics/emmet-sullivan-michael-flynn-perjury/index.html02:02
disillusion"On April 8th, Wuhan reopened after 72-day lockdown. Then 35 days w/ 0 cases. Then 6 new cases (1 housing block). All 11 million people will be tested in next 7 days. Contrast The US has no state >14 days w/ decline or 0 cases. It's reopening It has taken >3 months to do 10 M tests"02:04
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:06 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Australia coronavirus live: Some NSW pubs to open from Friday as restrictions ease – latest updates → https://is.gd/M5RcsX02:09
pynaso glad i have the means to electively stay home while everyone else enjoys a few days of sun and fun and plague spreading02:11
BrainstormUpdates for Gabon: +141 cases (now 1004) since a day ago — Channel Islands: +1 cases (now 548), +1 deaths (now 43) since a day ago — Washington, US: +217 cases (now 18281), +11 deaths (now 975) since a day ago — Texas, US: +518 cases (now 43502), +11 deaths (now 1217) since 2 hours ago02:22
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 Rates in BCG-Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Young Adults (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gj2pdf02:26
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:19 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Peter Dutton attacks Queensland bid for Virgin Australia as 'dangerous' – latest update → https://is.gd/M5RcsX02:30
ubLXI1.6 million tests a day!02:33
ubLXIi'd watch that documentary02:33
BrainstormUpdates for Somaliland: +8 cases (now 56) since 22 hours ago — North Carolina, US: +102 cases (now 16351), +5 deaths (now 625) since an hour ago — Japan: +81 cases (now 16049), +21 deaths (now 678) since a day ago — US: +105 cases (now 1.4 million), +5 deaths (now 85197) since 22 minutes ago02:37
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 00:32 UTC: Abbott's rapid coronavirus test misses positive cases, raising questions, NYU study finds: The urgency to ramp up coronavirus testing in the U.S. "has eased the usual scrutiny" applied by the Food and Drug Administration before the release of a new test, according to the authors of the study. → https://is.gd/4JWgDg02:37
ryoumaonly 105 for us?  when will the tst restuls be eincorporated?02:38
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: The airborne lifetime of small speech droplets and their potential importance in SARS-CoV-2 transmission (82 votes) | https://redd.it/gj7mas02:38
pynaugh, discrete math was the hardest stuff for me, and the absolute most stressful part for me was attempting to reason about false positive and false negatives02:41
pynaabsolutely mindblowingly counter and anti-intuitive02:42
pynaall i really learned of any practical use in that realm was that if i thought i had figured out an answer, it was pretty much guaranteed to be wrong02:44
pynatried as hard as i could to understand statistics, and all i got was this t-shirt and a small but real intuitive understanding of the monty hall problem 02:51
BrainstormUpdates for Mexico: +1862 cases (now 40186), +294 deaths (now 4220) since 23 hours ago — Sri Lanka: +22 cases (now 915) since 10 hours ago — World: +1889 cases (now 4.4 million), +294 deaths (now 298172) since 22 minutes ago — Jamaica: +2 cases (now 509) since 23 hours ago02:52
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 00:48 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Peter Dutton attacks Queensland bid for Virgin Australia as 'dangerous' – latest update → https://is.gd/M5RcsX02:59
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 00:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Japan's Takeda treatment trial could start in July, global cases top 4.3 million → https://is.gd/HMNPxW03:06
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: 15 US states now hit by rare inflammatory syndrome impacting children (10254 votes) | https://redd.it/gj2y1v03:08
python476hey there03:12
python476what's up 03:12
pynajust texted briefly with a drinking buddy i havent seen since before the plague, who was an epidemiologist with the CDC before he retired, long ago03:12
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news Australia: Victoria McDonald's cluster grows to eight cases, as Dutton attacks Queensland over Virgin bid – latest update → https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/may/14/australia-coronavirus-live-updates-nsw-victoria-qld-lockdown-politics-latest-news-update03:13
pynatold him how i'd love to know his thoughts on the matter of course, and he says: "my biggest criticism of this administration is that they are listening to virologists, not epidemiologists"03:15
pynadid not expect that, and certainly gave me some food for thought03:16
pynareasoning is what you'd expect with the statement as a given: epidemiolists [specialize in] the numbers, trends, predictability03:18
ubLXIif you weren't expecting that from an epidemiologist, what were you expecting?03:19
pynathat's all i got from him in terms of direct quotes, but my immediate thought is huh, virologists are better at talking about "how long before a vaccine" and "what's this mutation all about"03:20
pynaand it feels like there's more of that sort of thing being top-of-mind than you'd expect, given that we're really halfassing the behavioral change part03:21
BrainstormUpdates for Costa Rica: +1 deaths (now 8) since 6 hours ago — World: +45 cases (now 4.4 million), +2 deaths (now 298174) since 35 minutes ago — Haiti: +15 cases (now 234) since 22 hours ago — Bahamas: +1 cases (now 94) since 2 days ago03:22
pynaidk ubLXI i expected politicians wrecking things on their own merits before 'yer listening to the wrong specialist'03:26
python476what about the wuhan micro resurgence ?03:26
python476how large is it ?03:26
python476sorry for interrupting03:27
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 01:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Japan's Takeda treatment trial could start in July, global cases top 4.3 million → https://is.gd/HMNPxW03:27
ubLXIyou have never encountered the phenomenon of a retired person polarising the world through the lens of their former profession?03:30
ubLXIdéformation professionnelle, ossified03:30
pynalike there's a whole national debate about whether fauci is a saint of science or a pawn of the invisible government, and i don't really have an opinion on that03:32
ubLXIwell he is willing to contradict trump, from time to time03:33
pynaubLXI: in this case, i explicitly sought it out. under no illusions that he is not a retired CDC epidemilogist03:34
python476ubLXI: how to escape that bias though03:36
pynamaybe i should've expected it, but i guess i "can't unsee it"03:36
BrainstormUpdates for Guatemala: +143 cases (now 1342), +2 deaths (now 29) since 23 hours ago — Bolivia: +184 cases (now 3148), +14 deaths (now 142) since 23 hours ago — South Korea: +29 cases (now 10991), +1 deaths (now 260) since 23 hours ago — World: +327 cases (now 4.4 million), +16 deaths (now 298190) since 18 minutes ago03:37
pynalike a few mins ago i was happily berating my stupid brain for being too stupid to grok false positive/negative results into a conclusion03:38
ubLXIpyna: your friend has a point, though03:39
pynanow im wondering if thinking about that stuff isn't more of a virologist preocupation, when what's more relevant to me and everyone nearby is how best to exist and go about existing in a plague03:39
ubLXIbut the surprising thing in your retelling was your friend's implied belief in the administration's capability to absorb the message03:40
pynayeah - food for thought, is what i'm sticking to, ubLXI 03:40
ubLXIpython476: good question03:40
tinwhiskerspython476: they've only had 5 a few days ago, and another couple of days with 1 case according to the data03:41
pynayeah - that's close to what i was trying to convey - less surprised at the thing he said, more surprised at it not being like the 5th or 7th thing. and further surprised by how much i see his point though03:42
ryouma? --- 18:30 <ubLXI> déformation professionnelle, ossified03:43
pynazut! alors!03:44
ubLXIryouma!03:45
ryoumaubLXI: hi03:45
ryoumasome kind of political concept i hav enot heard of or something?03:46
ubLXInope03:46
ubLXIossified means stagnated (literally, turned to bone, so by metaphor)03:47
ryoumawhat about the first word03:47
ubLXIit has a wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9formation_professionnelle03:47
python476I see everything in Java class struggle03:49
tinwhiskersheh03:49
pynanice TIL "everything looks like a nail"'s formal name is "law of the instrument"03:49
ryoumaso the tldr is03:50
python476nice03:50
pynalol python476 excellent e.g.03:51
ryoumawhich states have opened up and are doing enoughtesting to produce results?03:52
BrainstormUpdates for Honduras: +175 cases (now 2255), +2 deaths (now 123) since 22 hours ago — Panama: +161 cases (now 8944), +4 deaths (now 256) since a day ago — World: +336 cases (now 4.4 million), +6 deaths (now 298196) since 20 minutes ago03:52
ubLXIryouma: tldr: "the eye cannot see what the mind does not know"03:53
python476france de-lockdown started today, it was weird to see people out03:54
python476very long queues in front in stores due to distancing03:54
python476couldn't buy some stuff actually03:54
pyna"enough testing to produce results"03:54
pynathis morning i went to the corner pizza place for some half-and-half and everyone inside was wearing a mask on their chin03:55
python476protect your chin03:56
berkchopsin NY you can't go inside anywhere without a mask, 99% of people are following it from what i've seen03:56
python476I shouldn't even go out, my heart is fubared03:56
pynanot that im getting out much, but in my local it seems like people are putting mask on chin and they'll pull it up ceremonially, for example when entering a store03:57
ryoumawe should be seeing data soon for the opened up regions.  i hate all these data that are apples and oranges.03:57
pynaor like, you run into your friend, and pull the mask down to talk03:58
python476ryouma: good point03:59
ryoumaneed loud proximity alarms03:59
python4762 weeks and we'll know03:59
python476ryouma: reverse tinder ?03:59
pynaoh hell yeah ryouma 03:59
python476"hot girl too much in your proximity!"03:59
ryoumacannot prove she has not been self-isolating for 3w and decontaminating packages.  PASS.04:00
pynatindie is where someone's probably already selling 3-printed proximity horns04:00
pynaa 110db klaxon going off whenever a human is closer than n feet is ultimate discreet way to say safe without getting involved in political epistemology04:01
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 01:52 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news Australia: Scott Morrison press conference to provide Covid-19 update as unemployment rate increases to 6.2% – latest → https://is.gd/M5RcsX04:03
ryoumai just get overwhelmed with all the nubmers and don't really know awht to do with them04:03
pynadepends on which number04:03
ryoumaso for example we ahve this, where we don't know if they hav been counting using the same metric, we don't know compared to the popuylation, we don't know who is being tested.  maybe useful if you ahve been folloing a single number and remember the last number?  but it doesn't say whether a place is getting worse or better.  or correlate with lockdown politcs.   --- 17:52 <Brainstorm> Updates for Mexico: +1862 cases04:04
ryouma (now 40186), +294 deaths (now 4220) since 23 hours ago — Sri Lanka: +22 cases (now 915) since 10 hours ago — World: +1889 cases (now 4.4 million), +294 deaths (now 298172) since 22 minutes ago — Jamaica: +2 cases (now 509) since 23 hours ago04:04
ryoumaso i don't know what to do with those numbers04:05
tinwhiskersThat's why you look at the time-series data04:05
ryoumawell i just truied covidly, which has a map that has a movie of time which is not useful to me.  i want to know where the hotspots are and whether they are improving and whether there was a peak or a major political change like lockdown totally lifeted and everybody is commnded to got ot he beach or whatever 04:07
pynaryouma: practice04:07
ryoumawho follows brainstorm and what do you do with it?04:08
ryouma(not dissing the scripter of brainstorm just rying to figure out what typical users of it use it for)04:08
pynai don't think it's intended for any kind of professional "use"04:10
tinwhiskersryouma: have you tried http://offloop.net/covid19/04:13
ryoumayaeh04:13
ryoumayou get to see the curve at kleast04:14
tinwhiskersryouma: the typical use is that people see when new stats pop up for their area. In my case (New Zealand) I do remember my last numbers so it's useful to know when the data comes out.04:14
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 patients dying in Italy th Report based on available data on May 7 , 2020 (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gj6igc04:14
ryoumatonga and taiwan are the only ones i remember04:14
tinwhiskersTonga doesn't have any stats (no cases)04:15
pynai haven't attempred to get local info from the bot04:15
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 02:09 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump 'surprised' by Fauci's reopening warnings as WHO says Covid-19 may never go: Fauci’s comments ‘not acceptable’, says Trump; Moscow ascribed 60% of April coronavirus deaths to other causes; virus in every African country; follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/gITGtR04:17
pynaat the risk of being banned for politics opinion i'm trying to guess in what month trump is gonna say "no one saw this coming" about the second, worse wave of plague04:19
pynaand just wishing as hard as i can that i'm completely wrong and everything will work out and i'll have to eat crow04:21
ubLXIwhat currently are the ground for expecting a second wave to be worse?04:21
ubLXI*grounds04:21
pynafair question. no scientific or political authority. i guess its from feeling like it's managed to spread all over despite the first round, which started smaller. so i'd expect the next round to be more sychronized04:23
Fenshijisu[m]Hi04:26
Fenshijisu[m]Was machst du gerade04:26
ubLXIFenshijisu[m]: hi04:28
ubLXIpyna: hmm04:28
pynaepidemiologists definitely think a lot about the practical limits of policy to actually change anything04:31
pynai really want to my buddy when we speak is length about how much he would expect anti-mask/its-a-hoax stuff coming04:34
pynaand what kind of ideas and techniques to deal with that ever present section of any population04:36
tinwhiskers there's not a lot you can do in the short term. It's about culture and trust of science and governance and that takes time to build.04:43
tinwhiskersI suppose having sufficiently incompetent leaders makes some people rebuild some trust in science :-)04:46
tinwhiskersMaybe that's the plan of the USA.04:46
python476tinwhiskers: or just an emerging darwinian effect04:57
tinwhiskerspolitical darwinism?04:57
python476too much comfort -> increase in morons -> trumpism -> inability to handle catastrophes -> less morons -> more thinking -> more comfort -> cycle04:58
tinwhiskersmaybe04:58
python476it's probably very true to a degree04:58
python476I've read about science during the war04:58
python476Russians had better ideas with less resources04:59
LjLryouma, Brainstorm is "maybe useful if you ahve been folloing a single number and remember the last number". i follow italy's numbers and the numbers for some other places mainly, and i'd like to have a more or less timely update of them. whether a place is getting worse or better is something that require keeping a history of the data and that i was just too lazy to do, honestly... it also would make the "multi-country update" much less easy to read, 04:59
LjLthough that is no great excuse since i could still have it in the manual command. i have no way to correlate the numbers with lockdown politics because, aside from the fact it would be difficult, i don't have a source of data about the politics. about the population data, i use it in the manual command, and currently in the automatic updates it decides the *order* (and whether to show a region at all, since only the top 5 are shown) based on the ratio 04:59
LjLbetween new cases and population04:59
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 02:50 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have ever been infected with coronavirus is said have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB04:59
python476USA were better at funding and political stability (and sanity)04:59
python476too much resources is rarely good04:59
python476I consider trump the late symptom of this04:59
LjLultimately if i see a number that looks unusual or interesting based on what i already know, i just go to offloop's graphs05:00
python476how is italy going LjL ?05:00
LjLpython476, not sure, i was sleeping05:00
python476~alright ?05:00
python476oh ok05:00
python476woke up early ?05:01
LjLi woke up to post a wall of test but the intention is to go back05:01
python476ok05:01
LjLmore like went to sleep earlier05:01
tinwhiskerswow. you actually went to bed at a reasonable hour?!05:01
python476enjoy your bed part 205:01
LjLnow i'm not sure i'll actually sleep05:01
LjLtinwhiskers, yeah i am not sure it's going to work out05:01
python476keeping the 7-8h is said to be necessary05:01
tinwhiskershe05:01
tinwhiskers*heh05:01
LjLpython476, but now i've slept like 3-4 hours and i am not sure i will fall asleep again05:02
python476got that05:02
python476was just trying to reinforce the hint05:02
LjLbesides, ryouma put into doubt the usefulness of my bot, you know i get a spike in blood pressure when that happens05:02
python476I actually had a 4h sleep too and consider going back05:02
LjLhadn't seen you here in a while, are you just around when i'm sleeping?05:03
LjLoh i even missed another exciting Boise, Idaho earthquake05:03
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 03:00 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Japan's Takeda treatment trial could start in July, global cases top 4.3 million → https://is.gd/HMNPxW05:06
pynauseful bot == a better mousetrap05:07
BrainstormUpdates for Bhutan: +4 cases (now 15) since a day ago — Brazil: +980 cases (now 190137), +82 deaths (now 13240) since 2 hours ago — World: +1000 cases (now 4.4 million), +82 deaths (now 298278) since an hour ago — Australia: +9 cases (now 6989) since a day ago05:07
pynai, for one, wouldn't mind and would love if Brainstorm had rudimentary ascii graphics05:07
python476LjL: no I was trying discord and also was sleeping off so chaotic days05:08
LjLew discord, at least it has a web client so i could use it without touching it much when i had to05:08
tinwhiskersmy bot may be taking it too far: 😷 Michigan (US):  National Rank: #7, cases: 48,391 ▆▇▅▄▄▅▁ (0.48% of the population), deaths: 4,714 ▅▃▇▂▂▅▁ (9.7% of cases), recovered: 20,991, serious: 472, tests: 329,639 (14.6% positive), doubling time: 84.1 days, R_eff: 0.6, 📉 See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Michigan for time series data.05:09
tinwhiskersat least this channel strips the colours. lol05:09
pynahmm actually, LjL, this seem interesting to you at all? https://github.com/holman/spark05:09
LjLhaha05:10
pyna▁▂▃▅▂▇05:11
pynaworks for me, and fits in one line05:11
LjLwell, it is a bit... bold05:11
pynaoh lol woop05:11
pynas05:11
python476yeah I succombed to the web 2.1 irc reboot T_T05:11
LjLpython476, "now with more proprietary"05:12
LjLwell, i managed to miss Russia going nuclear05:13
LjLwait, poor choice of wording05:13
LjLi managed to miss Russia's numbers heightening considerably05:13
LjLso maybe i should indeed revisit what my bot outputs05:13
pynaIMHO IRC has a rich tradition of ascii art and nothing would be more welcome in this time of crisis than numbers and charts and graphs05:15
LjLah, Russia's updates come at 10am, that would explain why i miss them05:15
LjLpyna, IRC also has a rich tradition of banning ASCII art, depending which parts of IRC you ask05:16
LjLIRC is a big place, and not even a place at that05:16
LjLfreenode has a channel mode to disable colors, and it's widely used05:16
pynathat is fair and true05:16
pynaand this is freenode, indeed. /me chastned05:17
python476is russia booming ?05:19
python476IRC is peak IRC05:19
python476discord is acceptable but it's.. meh05:19
LjLthe graph thing isn't actually so terrible, i find abuse of colors worse, and not a huge fan of emoji and other things that just don't *use* what we traditionally think of as characters. but then my own bot uses them for some things (like earthquake reports)05:19
LjLpython476, russia has a very exponential-looking growth, although their growth in testing is also looking nearly exponential, they have already tested like 2.5x italy05:20
LjL%cases russia05:20
BrainstormLjL: In Russia, there have been 242271 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 2212 deaths (0.9% of cases) as of 19 hours ago. 6.0 million tests were performed (4.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Russia for time series data.05:20
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 03:14 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Trump 'surprised' by Fauci's reopening warnings as WHO says Covid-19 may never go: Japan expected to ease state of emergency in many regions; Moscow ascribed 60% of April coronavirus deaths to other causes; New Zealand to spend $50bn on jobs; follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/gITGtR05:20
LjLrussia is now the country with the most cases after the US i believe05:20
pynaim a little too young to really appreciate ascii art, unicode art tho05:20
python476LjL: ok05:22
python476this new era in the pandemic is weird05:22
python476everybody is at a different state05:22
LjLwhere everyone is kinda tired of following it?05:22
python476that too a bit05:22
python476most of the catastrophe is behind and people are jaded05:22
python476everybody will also have different 2nd wave or not05:22
LjLclicking on the Guardian link, i still haven't found the part where the WHO says it may never go away, but i did find05:23
LjLats can spread the new coronavirus to other cats without any of them ever having symptoms, a lab experiment suggests.05:23
LjLScientists who led the work, reported on Wednesday, say it shows the need for more research into whether the virus can spread from people to cats to people again, Reuters reports.05:23
pynathe future is here, just not evenly distributed05:23
LjLalso, C05:23
LjLif it goes human-animal-animal-human we won't ever be able to stampede this out completely05:23
LjLGuardian feed is confusing, i cannot actually find the part where it talks about the WHO saying anything05:26
LjLwell, it's okay, i got it from worldnews (from the same bot) anyway05:27
LjLi get all the cool news in private and just have it output the fake news05:27
pynaaha!05:27
LjL%title https://www.bbc.com/news/world-5264368205:29
BrainstormLjL: From www.bbc.com: Coronavirus may never go away, World Health Organization warns - BBC News05:29
LjLnamely this05:29
atheodoi heard that too, not sure what that means, will it be like the flu, or does it mean that we will have to wear masks and distance for ever now?05:32
python476aight, bed time part 2 on my side05:32
python476sleep well gentlemen05:32
tinwhiskersgn05:33
python476gn205:34
LjLatheodo, in a way the answer to both may end up being "yes"... if you go back in time (or more realistically read articles about it), you'll find that the widespread habit in East Asia to wear masks in public whenever it's cold/flu season stems from the 1918 flu originally. then they never really stopped wearing them, while the rest of us kinda did.05:37
Olwenhmm that's interesting05:39
tinwhiskersmy guess would be that we are realising that it's not feasible to eradicate it since not all countries are capable of elimination. We will have treatments, which will reduce the mortality rate but I expect we'll end up managing it using methods like the flu and chicken pox.05:39
LjLselfishly speaking i hope most of us in developed countries can get effectively vaccinated. in developing countries it will suck but there's also the fact that life expectancy is so low in many (like where HIV is endemic) that this particular disease probably won't even kill many05:44
atheodoLjL you are right, I lived in Tokyo for 6 months way back 2001, and yes you are right it is standard custom to wear masks especially during winter05:44
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: An outbreak of severe Kawasaki-like disease at the Italian epicentre of the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic: an observational cohort study (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gjd5ii05:45
LjLatheodo, it started with the 1918 flu, then it just became part of the cultural norms. i read that increasing pollutions and increasing allergies were also factors in them "sticking" after the bad flu wave was over05:45
tinwhiskersI don't think covid will be seasonal though05:46
tinwhiskersit may come through in waves, but not tied to an annual cycle05:46
ryoumaLjL: no intention to affect your blood pressure.  if it is useful for others then great!  i don't even know what i want that would be feasible.  i'd have to think about it and i am not cognitively able to atm.05:51
ryoumaas for morons, i view it as, humans were hunter-gatherers, then tehre was the age of reason, then there was a long decline, and that completely petered out, and now the whole planet is in trouble.  or somethign like that.05:52
ryoumabut in reality there is a moron gene, so it's not correct05:52
ryoumayou have to keep it suppressed with education and stuff05:52
BrainstormUpdates for Mayotte, France: +48 cases (now 1143), +2 deaths (now 14) since a day ago — Quebec, Canada: +705 cases (now 39940), +89 deaths (now 3221) since a day ago — District of Columbia, US: +99 cases (now 6584), +14 deaths (now 350) since a day ago — Ontario, Canada: +358 cases (now 22516), +31 deaths (now 1883) since a day ago05:53
LjLhttps://np.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/gjd5ii/an_outbreak_of_severe_kawasakilike_disease_at_the/fqkg2r8/?context=305:53
LjLryouma, blood pressure thing was a bit of a joke. i am defensive with my bot but clearly you have a point, it's not the first time people question the utility of those figures05:54
ubLXILjL: "probably won't even kill many" - then again, with TB and HIV prevalence, and interruption of drug supplies, it could be devastating05:55
ryoumatb drugs would be a problem05:55
ryoumaaltohugh lockdowns might help05:56
atheodoit took about 20 years to find good drugs for HIV, if we are looking at the same timetable here, we will be in huge trouble05:56
LjLubLXI, yeah i guess so, i don't know, with Africa we're largely in the dark, even more so than usual since... we care even less than usual, really, as we are mostly concerned with our own lockdowns05:56
LjLatheodo, there is a much stronger push here, but yeah it's possible05:57
atheodoLjL are you located in Africa? 05:57
atheodoit's so quiet how they are doing, wonder if heat kills it and that's why Africa is so quiet05:57
ubLXIatheodo: our state of the art is decades ebtter for that effort, though05:57
LjLatheodo, no, i'm just saying that i can still hope, selfishly, that where i am in the so-called developed world, i can still hope for a vaccine that makes this mostly a non-issue, even if globally, in places like Africa, it may continue to run rampant05:58
tinwhiskersheat has a small effect but not enough to reduce the R_eff below 105:58
LjLatheodo, i think it's quiet because they aren't testing a lot and we aren't following their news05:58
atheodoI hope so, I know HIV had certain luggage, so it took a while for things to get going for a cure, 05:58
atheodoLjL, I see you got a point05:59
LjLatheodo, i read an article about Uganda arresting everyone in an LGBT shelter under the excuse that they were breaching lockdown laws by being more than 10 people in a building. that makes up like 90% of the Africa news i've read05:59
LjLand it was only brought to my attention because of the lockdown-related abuse, not the epidemic itself06:00
LjLwell and also how they were not allowed to see a lawyer, because that's *also* against the lockdown rules06:00
LjLlovely stuff06:00
ryoumathere are major cities in africa that look like shinjuku or new york.  are they silent because little testing?  i can belive that gates foundation or someplace will vsaccinate a lot of africa.06:04
LjLI'm not sure they're actually silent, as opposed to not being picked up by our media. Which African websites or TV stations do we typically follow?06:06
LjLWhen the thing was running rampant in Italy already, there was a post highlighting none of the four main US newspapers had covid on their front pages06:06
ryoumai just don't get what is wrong with teh us06:07
BrainstormUpdates for Mongolia: +19 cases (now 61) since 5 days ago — World: +19 cases (now 4.4 million) since 18 minutes ago06:08
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 04:03 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: How Coronavirus Spreads through the Air: What We Know So Far → https://is.gd/blBlzK06:09
pynagoddamit mongolia your 19 cases have ADDED to world06:15
pyna%data antarctica06:16
Brainstormpyna: Sorry, antarctica not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.06:16
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:14 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Japan's Takeda treatment trial could start in July, global cases top 4.3 million → https://is.gd/HMNPxW06:16
pynanice, we still have a whole uninfected continent left06:18
ryoumanyt, wapo, lat?, what are the 406:18
ryoumaherald?  tribune?  chronicle?  all i am sure of are nyt and wapo.06:19
ryouma%data svalbard island, norway06:20
Brainstormryouma: Sorry, svalbard island, norway not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.06:20
ryouma%data svalbard06:20
Brainstormryouma: Sorry, svalbard not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.06:20
ryouma%data weddell island06:20
Brainstormryouma: Sorry, weddell island not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.06:20
pyna%data baltimore06:20
Brainstormpyna: Sorry, baltimore not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.06:20
ryouma%data kamchatka, russia06:20
Brainstormryouma: Sorry, kamchatka, russia not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.06:20
tinwhiskersState/regional level only, not cities.06:21
pyna%data new jersey06:21
Brainstormpyna: In New Jersey, US, there have been 142861 confirmed cases (1.6% of the population) and 9727 deaths (6.8% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 441450 tests were performed (32.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.06:21
pynathose curves look real encouraging06:24
pyna%data pennsylvania06:24
Brainstormpyna: In Pennsylvania, US, there have been 62213 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 4147 deaths (6.7% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 311186 tests were performed (20.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.06:24
ubLXIDr. Rick Bright to testify before a House committee later today: https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/05/13/warning-us-could-face-darkest-winter-modern-history-ousted-whistleblower-demands06:27
ryoumathe thing is asia is silent also06:29
ryoumaso yeah it's that there is little ocmmunication06:29
ryoumasome say taiwan had a head start becauset they were listening to chinese tv06:30
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 04:26 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Australia's April unemployment rate jumps to 6.2%, global cases top 4.3 million → https://is.gd/HMNPxW06:30
ubLXI%title https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/05/foreign-affairs-runs-propaganda-from-swedish-employers-on-swedens-covid-19-fiasco-failing-to-disclose-sponsorship-and-misrepresenting-results.html06:47
BrainstormubLXI: From www.nakedcapitalism.com: Foreign Affairs Runs Propaganda from Swedish Employers on Sweden's Covid-19 Fiasco, Failing to Disclose Sponsorship and Misrepresenting Results | naked capitalism06:47
tinwhiskersryouma: "31 Dec 2019: Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. (A novel coronavirus was eventually identified)." This was really the first anyone knew - we all had a head start.06:50
tinwhiskersif there was some sort of suppression of information by China you can be pretty sure there wasn't anything on Chinese TV about it either.06:51
ryoumayeah but as soon as it left chinese borders i wanted the us to do stuff like close borders.  but taiwan had ppe.06:52
tinwhiskerssure, but taiwan didn't have a head start due to some information they got from china. They had a head start because they were prepared.06:52
ryoumacould be but the citizens who spoke the language could get daily updates06:53
ryoumai.e. take it seriously)06:53
ryoumadunno if the updates were censoretd too much thoguh06:54
tinwhiskersLook at the timeline. There was plenty of warning that everyone got: https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-1906:54
tinwhiskersI doubt very much there was more information on internal chinese media. Can anyone here from China comment on this?06:56
ryoumayou could be right07:00
tinwhiskersTrippy72394 is an expat from China but he's not here right now. He did say there are some others from China who hang out here including one person from Wuhan. It would be nice to hear from those people.07:01
tinwhiskersryouma: I'll make a point of asking him next time I see hime how the internal communication compared to the international timeline - it would be interesting to know that.07:03
ryoumayeah07:03
ryoumaand the scuttlebutt07:04
tinwhiskersthe scuttlebutt?07:04
ryoumathe informal communication07:04
tinwhiskersah. ok07:04
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 05:19 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Madrid. Proteste contro la gestione del Coronavirus → https://is.gd/OBIPvZ07:26
BrainstormUpdates for Kazakhstan: +154 cases (now 5571) since a day ago — Hungary: +39 cases (now 3380), +6 deaths (now 436) since a day ago — World: +379 cases (now 4.4 million), +6 deaths (now 298302) since an hour ago — Kyrgyzstan: +38 cases (now 1082) since a day ago07:38
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 05:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: global deaths near 300,000 as WHO says Covid-19 may never disappear: Japan expected to ease state of emergency in many regions; Russia has second highest number of infections; Wuhan mass testing begins; follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/gITGtR07:41
BrainstormUpdates for Venezuela: +17 cases (now 440) since a day ago — World: +17 cases (now 4.4 million) since 39 minutes ago08:08
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 06:15 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have ever been infected with coronavirus is said to have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB08:23
BrainstormUpdates for El Salvador: +75 cases (now 1112) since a day ago — Bulgaria: +31 cases (now 2100), +3 deaths (now 99) since a day ago — World: +107 cases (now 4.4 million), +3 deaths (now 298305) since 35 minutes ago — Mauritania: +1 cases (now 16) since 8 hours ago08:38
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 06:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: global deaths near 300,000 as WHO says Covid-19 may never disappear: Japan expected to ease state of emergency in many regions; Russia has second highest number of infections; Wuhan mass testing begins; follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/gITGtR08:44
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 06:43 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have already had coronavirus is said to have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB08:51
_abc_Graphs by country and world https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/09:02
_abc_I see an article local to me here (.ro) saying during the lockdown the government reported only covid deaths/day, no others. The stats over 2 months show said covid deaths average to one half to one third of what respiratory disease deaths per day averaged over the last 10 years without the present situation. There were also some signs that mortuary authorities forced some dependents to sign on 09:04
_abc_covid-confirming death forms for deceased who passed on out of other causes at home.09:04
_abc_Does one see similar things elsewhere too?09:04
_abc_Because this will lead to a scandal which will likely shake the establishment to pieces within a year or less, as the dust settles.09:05
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 06:59 UTC: Il Commissariamento delle Asl e di un ospedale in Liguria.: È una notizia di qualche giorno fa, dapprima smentita ma poi di fatto resa attiva, ma non ha fatto il "rumore" che merita.Toti, presidente delle Regione Liguria, ha di fatto commissariato le 5 Asl Liguri e l'Ospedale San Martino di Genova, dando la [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/JCe8ue09:05
tinwhiskers_abc_: source?09:05
tinwhiskers(honestly I'm not sure what you're saying)09:06
_abc_The sources I saw are local to me here in .ro and seen over the last 3 days.09:06
_abc_News articles in Romanian.09:06
_abc_What I'm saying is: a) gubmint only reports covid deaths / day and not any others b) some covid deaths reported may not be covid deaths; + stats over the last 10 years show said covid deaths, with possible "shaping", are still half to a third of respiratory disease deaths averaged over 10 years09:07
Hullo1%cases India09:07
BrainstormHullo1: In India, there have been 78194 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 2551 deaths (3.3% of cases) as of an hour ago. 1.9 million tests were performed (4.0% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 8.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data.09:07
_abc_tinwhiskers: ^09:07
Hullo1%cases Russia09:08
BrainstormHullo1: In Russia, there have been 242271 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 2212 deaths (0.9% of cases) as of 23 hours ago. 6.0 million tests were performed (4.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Russia for time series data.09:08
Hullo1Putin's approval rating has fallen down quite a lot during the current pandemic09:08
Hullo1Not that it matters in the least to him09:08
Hullo1Russia is LIFTING it's lockdown despite the virus raging like anything there09:08
tinwhiskersa) they only report covid deaths in their *covid reports*... Would yuo expect otherwise?09:09
_abc_Every leader is tanking due to covid, it is unavoidable. Everyone. The orange head, the German Physicist, The Brit. People will vent on the visible head at the top.09:09
_abc_tinwhiskers: I never said "in their covid reports". You said that.09:09
tinwhiskersNot every leader. In the countries that are doing well like australia and new zealnd the leaders are gaining a lot of popularity09:09
tinwhiskers_abc_: the daily reports are covid reports, so yes they only include covid data09:10
_abc_tinwhiskers: Same fallacy. The leaders did nothing special. They are the visible head to bow to.09:10
_abc_tinwhiskers: except all other deaths are suppressed. There is no other kind of reporting.09:10
tinwhiskerswell, nevertheless leaders are not "tanking everywhere"09:10
_abc_Mostly tanking most places.09:10
generaabc, that story might be complete fake news,09:10
tinwhiskersright, many places, not everywhere09:11
_abc_genera: which one. And it is not. The only debatable one is the anecdotic "evidence" (2 reports over a few days) of authorities writing down people who died at home of old age/respiratory complications as covid.09:12
tinwhiskers"Every leader is tanking due to covid, it is unavoidable" - incorrect09:12
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test) at 07:06 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: How RANTES Can Explain Coronavirus Symptoms | Leronlimab and RANTES → https://is.gd/el26ok09:12
_abc_genera: no testing is done on dead people here.09:12
_abc_I saw Roche has an antibody blood test which was approved in UK now.09:13
_abc_Hope it will come around elsewhere too.09:13
tinwhiskersyes, there's several antibody tests in use now09:13
tinwhiskerssome not so great unfortunately09:13
_abc_Yes I read about that one too but this one seems to be the right one?09:13
tinwhiskersthat one?09:13
tinwhiskersright one?09:13
_abc_Well it was approved for mass deployment in UK, that sounds like it's the right one to me?09:14
tinwhiskersI referred to "several" tests... which "one" did you assume I was referring to?09:14
Hullo1Germany has flattened the curve though, right?09:15
Hullo1And South Korea handled it nearly perfectly09:15
_abc_The Roche one is the one I am talking about. Please stop putting words in my mouth tinwhiskers 09:15
Hullo1Bolsanaro's the worst, IMO; he refuses to accept that the present situation is even a crisis.09:16
tinwhiskers"Yes I read about that one too..." which one (I didn't put those words in your mouth)09:16
_abc_Hullo1: technically, the crisis is artificial. 3% death rate is not going to do to the economy what a lockdown does. This is cynical yes. Note I am over 50yo.09:16
tinwhiskersaha. and there is it.09:16
_abc_Hullo1: in earnest, it is a good reaction to protect the weak and to make this massive effort for those 3%.09:17
tinwhiskers_abc_: take your conspiracy theories and FUD elsewhere please09:17
_abc_I am talking about the economic crisis. I am sorry tinwhiskers we don't seem to communicate normally.09:18
tinwhiskersYou came in here making a bunch of unsubstantiated nonsense claims. You're right I don't see eye to eye with you.09:19
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:09 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global deaths near 300,000 as WHO says Covid-19 may never disappear → https://is.gd/gITGtR09:19
_abc_I asked if others saw similar things elsewhere.09:19
_abc_Impact of covid on transportation, UK https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/13/17/28352646-8314303-image-a-63_1589386862887.jpg09:22
_abc_Order of least impact is interesting.09:23
_abc_Heavy goods least impacted, light goods next least, car third. All public transport was floored. The latter are the "low pollution" "future" transport modes. Wiped out completely in %. Also meaning most people are not active now, not employed, not participating in the economy.09:24
_abc_Lesson learned, get a car. Plotting bicycle use on the same scales would have been interesting.09:25
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:21 UTC: Coronavirus UK: latest deaths, confirmed cases – and which regions are hardest hit?: Latest figures from public health authorities on the spread of Covid-19 in the United Kingdom. Find out how many confirmed cases have been reported in each of England’s local authorities → https://is.gd/2xHH7Q09:33
BrainstormUpdates for Georgia: +5 cases (now 652), +1 deaths (now 12) since a day ago — Oman: +322 cases (now 4341) since a day ago — Armenia: +142 cases (now 3860), +1 deaths (now 49) since a day ago — Ukraine: +422 cases (now 16847), +17 deaths (now 456) since a day ago09:38
_abc_Another interesting UK stat. They are good at publishing these things. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2020/05/14/01/28351392-8317633-image-a-112_1589414466093.jpg09:39
_abc_What I see, just guessing: London is past the peak which was achieved fastest due to high density, the others are not!09:40
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus at 07:21 UTC: Coronavirus: Taiwan goes full week without new coronavirus case, goes 32 days without local coronavirus infection → https://is.gd/oMbywN09:40
_abc_Another stat shows only (?) 21% ICU beds are occupied by covid patients.09:41
Netsk8ok nigger09:44
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 07:37 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have already had coronavirus is said to have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB09:47
Hullo1_abc_, are you in UK?09:55
_abc_No but my country does not publish any relevant stats ...09:57
_abc_Let alone snazzy graphs.09:57
_abc_Looking at the UK per city hospitalized covid sick graphs, I'd say "unsuccesfull" lockdown as in London (due to undisciplined people meeting anyway) led to faster and sharper peak than elsewhere in the country.09:58
_abc_It's probably looking the same in other big cities in the world vs. countryside.09:59
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 07:48 UTC: Business: Markets drop as investors fear long-term economic harm from Covid-19 - business live → https://is.gd/8zKoqS10:01
spectr0[m]%data russia10:02
Brainstormspectr0[m]: In Russia, there have been 252245 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 2305 deaths (0.9% of cases) as of 14 minutes ago. 6.0 million tests were performed (4.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Russia for time series data.10:02
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 08:05 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have already had coronavirus is said to have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB10:15
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:09 UTC: Business: Markets drop as investors fear long-term economic harm from Covid-19 - business live → https://is.gd/8zKoqS10:22
weimarnetzbot[m]<Netsk8 "ok nigger"> hi blackie10:30
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:29 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Minister admits more testing capacity needed for care homes → https://is.gd/yTfYTv10:36
stvnstckhello?10:37
weimarnetzbot[m]echo!10:39
stvnstckright, weimarnetzbot10:41
stvnstckecho!10:41
stvnstck*screams into the void*10:41
stvnstckcoughs into the void?10:42
weimarnetzbot[m]heh10:42
stvnstckso what's the latest? i've been trying to catch up on the situation around the world. it's looking grim and uncertain.10:45
weimarnetzbot[m]at least in germany the numbers for today got better10:45
weimarnetzbot[m]!cases germany10:45
CovBotIn Germany there have been a total of 174,098 cases as of 2020-05-14 08:20:00 UTC. Of these 15,937 (9.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 150,300 (86.3%) have definitely recovered and 7,861 (4.5%) have died.10:45
stvnstckthat's good10:46
stvnstckso infection rates going down. are yall beginning to reopen certain areas of your economy?10:47
weimarnetzbot[m]it started last week here or so.. and slowly lockers the restrictions10:48
weimarnetzbot[m]but there are bad news too10:48
stvnstckbad news?10:48
weimarnetzbot[m]it's more and more clear, that this is not a lung/throat virus10:49
weimarnetzbot[m]it can hurt many organs, that will be bad news for ppl with organ related diseases10:49
weimarnetzbot[m]and we see some chilren dying with kawazaki disease10:50
weimarnetzbot[m]caused by coroa and organ damage10:50
stvnstckvery sad when children die10:50
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:45 UTC: Business: Markets drop as investors fear long-term economic harm from Covid-19 - business live → https://is.gd/8zKoqS10:50
stvnstckso it is transmitted by lung/throat but ultimately is a cardiovascular10:51
stvnstckthanks Brianstorm10:51
weimarnetzbot[m]not only.. liver.. brain.... 10:51
weimarnetzbot[m]maybe all10:51
weimarnetzbot[m]kidneys10:52
aKpaHucTTexit10:58
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus at 08:46 UTC: Coronavirus: Pensioners 34 times more likely to die of Covid-19 than working age Brits, data shows → https://is.gd/tYILsC11:05
BrainstormUpdates for Afghanistan: +413 cases (now 5639), +4 deaths (now 136) since 21 hours ago — Russia: +9974 cases (now 252245), +93 deaths (now 2305) since a day ago — World: +11034 cases (now 4.4 million), +125 deaths (now 298449) since an hour ago — Poland: +265 cases (now 17469), +8 deaths (now 869) since 17 hours ago11:09
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 08:58 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global deaths near 300,000 as WHO says Covid-19 may never disappear → https://is.gd/gITGtR11:12
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: FBI serves warrant on Sen. Burr in investigation of sale of stocks during coronavirus outbreak (10002 votes) | https://redd.it/gjec3s11:16
Olwenhttp://covid19-phenomics.org/PrototypeOurRiskCoV.html11:18
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 09:15 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia's cases pass 250,000; global infections top 4.3 million: Russia's cases have now surpassed 250,000 and more than 4.3 million people are the globe have now been infected with the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/HMNPxW11:19
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 09:24 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': A test to find out whether people have already had coronavirus is said to have serious potential. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB11:33
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 09:38 UTC: Coronavirus live updates: Russia's cases pass 250,000; global infections top 4.3 million: Russia's cases have now surpassed 250,000 and more than 4.3 million people are the globe have now been infected with the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/HMNPxW11:40
python476o/11:46
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 09:49 UTC: Business: Markets drop as investors fear long-term economic harm from Covid-19 - business live → https://is.gd/8zKoqS11:54
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 10:04 UTC: UK coronavirus live: minister admits more testing capacity needed for care homes: Health minister Edward Argar concedes government still needs to ‘make available’ Covid-19 testing capacity so all care home residents → https://is.gd/yTfYTv12:08
BrainstormUpdates for Albania: +18 cases (now 898) since 22 hours ago — Bhutan: +4 cases (now 19) since 7 hours ago — Belgium: +307 cases (now 54288), +60 deaths (now 8903) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +1041 cases (now 18863), +14 deaths (now 283) since a day ago12:09
Olwen\o12:14
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 10:20 UTC: Coronavirus antibody test a 'positive development': The test, now approved in the UK, can tell who has had Covid-19 - but gives no guarantee they are immune. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB12:30
BrainstormNew from BBC Health at 12:33 UTC: Covid antibody test a 'positive development': The test, now approved in the UK, can tell who has had Covid-19 - but gives no guarantee they are immune. → https://is.gd/wL3XaB14:41
python476US on their sweet way to 100k14:44
python476some article titled "Trump killed 100k person in plain sight" for controvery effect14:44
LjLmy internet is dead, hurray14:46
LjLlooking forward to random technicians inside the place14:46
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 12:44 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump says US military will distribute a vaccine later this year → https://is.gd/U0S0xE14:48
yuriwhoI was wondering LjL 14:49
yuriwhoabout your internet14:49
LjLyuriwho, i will have to disable the news feed i think, i'm tunnelling through phone internet for like five minutes, and already 60MB used14:50
yuriwhoI chewed up 40 GB of cell data on my phone last month so I upped it to 50GB. I wish it was unlimited here14:52
yuriwhoand I avoided unnecessary video watching14:53
LjLyuriwho, i do have 50GB which came as a data-only SIM as a "freebie" with my landline fiber account. turns out... it's too often needed14:53
LjLyuriwho, ironically and irksome enough, they've now repeatedly texted me with spam like "Why don't you get a landline with us for only €25 a month? It comes with UNLIMITED data on your phone"14:53
LjLwell fuck you, thank you very much, maybe upgrade my existing one instead of putting it in my face how much better new customers have it, huh14:54
LjLthe good thing is my OpenWrt router is set up so that i just have to connect my phone to the USB, and to my LAN it's almost like i'm using landline internet. the bad thing... is that my LAN *acts* as if i'm using landline internet.14:55
LjLi've not disabled the news feed for now, it'll just be polled less often14:57
LjL^well i guess the other bad thing is that the phone i'm using likes to crash randomly15:00
BrainstormieNew from CNBC Health at 13:12 UTC: The coronavirus pandemic is causing a mental health crisis, the UN warns: The United Nations has warned that the coronavirus pandemic "has the seeds of a major mental health crisis" and that substantial investment is needed in support services. → https://is.gd/YR0qCp15:17
BrainstormieNew from CNBC Health at 13:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump says military will distribute a vaccine, CVS to offer drive-thru tests → https://is.gd/U0S0xE15:36
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: For-profit nursing homes have four times as many COVID-19 deaths as city-run homes, Star analysis finds (10009 votes) | https://redd.it/gj8aso15:48
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:13 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump says military will distribute a vaccine, CVS to offer drive-thru tests → https://is.gd/U0S0xE16:17
Jigsy%cases UK16:24
BrainstormJigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 233151 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 33614 deaths (14.4% of cases) as of 37 minutes ago. 2.2 million tests were performed (10.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.16:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:28 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CVS to offer drive-thru tests, Trump donor gets $27 million in aid → https://is.gd/U0S0xE16:31
BrainstormUpdates for West Virginia, US: +23 cases (now 1427), +1 deaths (now 60) since 17 hours ago — Yemen: +15 cases (now 85) since a day ago — Maryland, US: +1091 cases (now 35903), +57 deaths (now 1866) since a day ago — US: +1527 cases (now 1.4 million), +74 deaths (now 85342) since 51 minutes ago16:38
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:37 UTC: (news): HHS whistleblower Rick Bright is a 'disgruntled employee,' Trump says ahead of House coronavirus hearing → https://is.gd/gQc4UV16:46
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Severe vitamin D deficiency in patients with Kawasaki disease: a potential role in the risk to develop heart vascular abnormalities? - PubMed (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gjk5kb16:48
kalakut4!covid US16:56
CoronaBotUSA: Global rank: #1, cases: 1,433,613 (+3,265), fatalities: 85,342 (+145), active cases: 1,037,856, total recovered: 310,415, in a serious condition: 16,337. Mortality: 5.95%, case fatality rate: 21.56%, cases/1M: 4331.0, deaths/1M: 258.0. Case rate: 21,712/24h, death rate: 1,772/24h. Tests: 10,309,343, tests/1M: 31,146.16:56
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 14:54 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CVS to offer drive-thru tests, Trump donor gets $27 million in aid → https://is.gd/U0S0xE17:00
CodeB!covid PT17:02
CoronaBotPortugal: Global rank: #24, cases: 28,319 (+187), fatalities: 1,184 (+9), active cases: 23,937, total recovered: 3,198, in a serious condition: 108. Mortality: 4.18%, case fatality rate: 27.02%, cases/1M: 2777.0, deaths/1M: 116.0. Case rate: 219/24h, death rate: 12/24h. Tests: 582,341, tests/1M: 57,111.17:02
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:08 UTC: (news): HHS whistleblower Rick Bright is a 'disgruntled employee,' Trump says ahead of House coronavirus hearing → https://is.gd/gQc4UV17:14
spectr0[m]%data thailand17:19
Brainstormspectr0[m]: In Thailand, there have been 3018 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 56 deaths (1.9% of cases) as of 9 hours ago. 286008 tests were performed (1.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 1.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Thailand for time series data.17:19
LjL<Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews at 13:59 UTC: worldnews: Airlines must take steps to keep carbon emissions down when flights resume so that the lower levels recorded during the COVID-19 pandemic can be entrenched, PM Boris Johnson said: “Inadvertently, the planet this year will (have) greatly reduced its CO2 emissions ...we need to entrench those gains” → https://is.gd/4s3vLt17:21
LjLnow Johnson is an environmentalist?!17:21
LjLclearly that is evidence that COVID has neurological effects17:21
NoImNotNineVoltha17:23
BrainstormUpdates for Mozambique: +8 cases (now 115) since an hour ago — Iowa, US: +386 cases (now 13675), +12 deaths (now 318) since 23 hours ago — Florida, US: +808 cases (now 43210), +46 deaths (now 1875) since 23 hours ago — US: +1316 cases (now 1.4 million), +60 deaths (now 85402) since 50 minutes ago17:24
foncused%cases uk17:25
Brainstormfoncused: In United Kingdom, there have been 233151 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 33614 deaths (14.4% of cases) as of an hour ago. 2.2 million tests were performed (10.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.17:25
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 15:14 UTC: Coronavirus US live: whistleblower warns 'time is running out' as Covid-19 continues to spread: Bright: ‘The window is closing to address this pandemic’ 36m Americans now unemployed as another 3m file for benefits Where is the CDC? How Trump sidelined the agency South Dakota governor threatens to sue over [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/oecTWZ17:28
Biep[m]%cases nl17:34
BrainstormBiep[m]: In Netherlands, there have been 43481 confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 5590 deaths (12.9% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 282776 tests were performed (15.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands for time series data.17:34
BrainstormUpdates for Chile: +2659 cases (now 37040), +22 deaths (now 368) since 23 hours ago — Cabo Verde: +26 cases (now 315) since a day ago — Rhode Island, US: +181 cases (now 12016), +6 deaths (now 468) since 23 hours ago — World: +2866 cases (now 4.5 million), +28 deaths (now 299718) since 22 minutes ago17:39
foncused:quit17:41
foncusedlol17:41
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:40 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CVS to offer drive-thru tests, Trump donor gets $27 million in aid → https://is.gd/U0S0xE17:49
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:52 UTC: The coronavirus pandemic is causing a mental health crisis, the UN warns: The United Nations has warned that the coronavirus pandemic "has the seeds of a major mental health crisis" and that substantial investment is needed in support services. → https://is.gd/YR0qCp17:56
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 15:57 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CVS to offer drive-thru tests, Trump donor gets $27 million in aid → https://is.gd/U0S0xE18:03
dividediff[m]I changed a setting, i might be able to see brainstorm bot. Is it still being used?18:07
BrainstormUpdates for Delaware, US: +271 cases (now 7223), +13 deaths (now 260) since 22 hours ago — Czechia: +55 cases (now 8330), +2 deaths (now 292) since 7 hours ago — Bahrain: +253 cases (now 6069) since 21 hours ago — Indiana, US: +580 cases (now 26053), +27 deaths (now 1646) since a day ago18:09
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 16:03 UTC: Carnival: Cruise firm Carnival slashes jobs and pay in face of Covid-19 crisis → https://is.gd/M6IhrC18:10
ubLXIdividediff[m]: ?18:12
ubLXIsuppose you meant "i might not be able to"?18:12
dividediff[m]okay i see it thxs18:12
ubLXIk18:13
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:12 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: CVS to offer drive-thru tests, Trump donor gets $27 million in aid → https://is.gd/U0S0xE18:17
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:21 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump says military will distribute a vaccine, new cases in Europe trend lower → https://is.gd/U0S0xE18:24
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination prevents SARS-CoV-2 pneumonia in rhesus macaques (87 votes) | https://redd.it/gjoynw18:37
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:41 UTC: (news): HHS whistleblower Rick Bright is a 'disgruntled employee,' Trump says ahead of House coronavirus hearing → https://is.gd/gQc4UV18:45
tiredthinker[m]The curve of "daily new infected people in US/British" looked totally different with other countries. Never saw such type of curve all over history.18:58
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 16:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump says military will distribute a vaccine, new cases in Europe trend lower → https://is.gd/U0S0xE18:59
BrainstormNew from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana at 17:10 UTC: PRESIDENZA DEL CONSIGLIO DEI MINISTRI - COMUNICATO: Comunicato relativo al decreto-legge 10 maggio 2020, n. 29,  recante:«Misure urgenti in materia di detenzione domiciliare  o  differimentodell'esecuzione della pena, nonche' in materia di sostituzione  dellacustodia  cautelare  in  carcere  con   [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/6SvI6d19:14
withorwithouthey, so apparently RT-PCR tests gives a significant amount of false-negatives. Not sure if you already saw this but just in case https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1495 19:15
withorwithoutso, that study they did in that small town in Italy may have a lot of those :/19:15
withorwithouthmm I better check if there's a reddit thread already on that, that should have a nice discussion19:18
withorwithouthttps://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/gjgst2/variation_in_falsenegative_rate_of_reverse/ 19:18
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Whistleblower testifies about vaccines, Trump aims to stockpile 300 million N95 masks → https://is.gd/U0S0xE19:21
BrainstormUpdates for Louisiana, US: +827 cases (now 33489), +36 deaths (now 2417) since 23 hours ago — Alabama, US: +195 cases (now 10895), +16 deaths (now 466) since 17 hours ago — Maine, US: +50 cases (now 1565), +3 deaths (now 69) since a day ago — South Africa: +665 cases (now 12739), +19 deaths (now 238) since 20 hours ago19:24
withorwithoutsurprisingly not much has been said about this, tbh19:32
BrainstormUpdates for Chad: +27 cases (now 399), +4 deaths (now 46) since a day ago — Madagascar: +18 cases (now 230) since a day ago — Georgia (US), US: +65 cases (now 35858), +4 deaths (now 1527) since 3 hours ago — Brazil: +217 cases (now 196375), +4 deaths (now 13555) since an hour ago19:39
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 17:36 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Greece to reopen beaches; official global death toll nears 300,000: Europe halts delivery of faulty Chinese face masks; WHO says Covid-19 may never go; thirty-six million Americans now unemployed; Japan eases state of emergency in many regions → https://is.gd/gITGtR19:42
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Outbreak of Kawasaki disease in children during COVID-19 pandemic: a prospective observational study in Paris, France (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gjldl119:43
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:46 UTC: (news): WHO warns it could take up to 5 years before the coronavirus pandemic is under control → https://is.gd/uGsl6R19:49
LjLchrist WHO stop it now, it just doesn't help19:49
bin_bashthe WHO needs to be dismantled and rebuilt without china19:52
withorwithoutgreat band, though19:53
kalakut4the UN should be dismantled and rebuilt without permanent members19:53
withorwithoutyeah, the fundamental problem is deeper19:53
lance0000Wisconsin Bars filling up with people. #weDead19:54
BrainstormUpdates for Ireland: +426 cases (now 23827), +9 deaths (now 1506) since a day ago — South Dakota, US: +60 cases (now 3792), +4 deaths (now 43) since 20 hours ago — New Jersey, US: +623 cases (now 143484), +219 deaths (now 9946) since 17 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +124 cases (now 11320), +13 deaths (now 422) since a day ago19:54
withorwithoutlance0000: others tag it with #fun19:55
lance0000beta testers? :)19:55
withorwithouthaha19:55
Haley[mt][m]<Brainstorm "Updates for Chad: +27 cases (now"> ! cases spain19:55
Haley[mt][m]!cases spain19:56
CovBotIn Spain there have been a total of 272,646 cases as of 2020-05-14 17:32:00 UTC. Of these 58,845 (21.6%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 186,480 (68.4%) have definitely recovered and 27,321 (10.0%) have died.19:56
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:51 UTC: Watch: CNBC's Healthy Returns Virtual Summit - The path forward for the health care industry at a time of unprecedented challenges: CNBC presents a virtual event featuring top health care CEOs, technologists and investors, exploring the ways the most innovative companies are addressing the coronavirus crisis, and the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/f537DZ19:56
Haley[mt][m]!cases guyane19:56
CovBotMy data doesn't seem to include guyane. It might be under a different name, data on it might not be available or there could even be no cases. You may have more luck if you try a less specific location, like the country it's in. 19:56
CovBotIf you think I should have data on it you can open an issue at https://github.com/pwr22/covbot/issues and Peter will take a look.19:56
withorwithout!cases Guyana19:57
CovBotIn Guyana there have been a total of 113 cases as of 2020-05-14 17:32:00 UTC. Of these 62 (54.9%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 41 (36.3%) have definitely recovered and 10 (8.8%) have died.19:57
Haley[mt][m]!cases French Guiana19:57
CovBotIn French Guiana there have been a total of 153 cases as of 2020-05-14 17:32:00 UTC. Of these 28 (18.3%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 124 (81.0%) have definitely recovered and 1 (0.7%) have died.19:57
DocScrutinizer05NY mysterious kids disease will silence all "lock away the old" idiocy now, no?20:00
bin_bashwhat?20:00
generathe not-quite-similar-to-Kawasakis syndrome20:01
DocScrutinizer05CoronaBot: ^^^20:01
DocScrutinizer05damn, no highlight intended20:02
DocScrutinizer05https://www.startpage.com/do/search?query=NY+mysterious+kids+disease20:03
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 17:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Whistleblower testifies about vaccines, Trump aims to stockpile 300 million N95 masks → https://is.gd/U0S0xE20:03
bin_bashi was just having issues parsing the sentence20:04
DocScrutinizer05heart, liver, brain, kidneys also get attacked by virus - study of a german university20:06
withorwithoutAlso seen in Italy https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31103-X/fulltext 20:09
DocScrutinizer05SARS-COV2 should now be called SACVS-COV2 but that is impossible to speak. cardio-vascular disease20:10
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:04 UTC: (news): Watch live: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo holds a press conference on the coronavirus outbreak → https://is.gd/AY9ATO20:10
withorwithoutOk, but this might as well just be a correlation vs. causation issue, I guess more information is needed20:11
withorwithoutbut the association is there, to say the least20:12
DocScrutinizer05hardly, several hundred incidents have a high significance20:12
DocScrutinizer05particularly with such bizarre otherwise rare symptioms20:13
bin_bashDocScrutinizer05: the febrile inflammation disorder is not a NY-specific thing20:13
DocScrutinizer05it _might_ be an opportunistic secondary infection20:14
withorwithoutI don't know if not being treated on time for other symptoms/conditions due to hospitals not treating people other than COVID is ruled out, for example20:14
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 18:11 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Greece to reopen beaches; official global death toll nears 300,000: Europe halts delivery of faulty Chinese face masks; WHO says Covid-19 may never go; thirty-six million Americans now unemployed; Japan eases state of emergency in many regions → https://is.gd/gITGtR20:17
withorwithoutThat "The Lancet" article seems to lack a control group or information on the control baseline, as far as I can see 20:17
withorwithout"This study has the limitations of a relatively small case series, requiring confirmation in larger groups."20:18
withorwithoutand the incidence is 1 in 1000, from that20:19
goathearder_101[<LjL "<Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNew"> Perspectives on the pandemic20:25
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 18:24 UTC: Food & drink industry: UK's largest pubs group agrees lockdown 'rent credit' for tenants → https://is.gd/4GKwVc20:31
IndoAnonhmm20:35
IndoAnonDocScrutinizer05: how about OFID-COV2 (Organ Failure Inducing Disease)? 20:36
LjLi've started this section about the children issue, for now if you have any paper about it, or even random article as long as it contains some information from doctors, please provide and i'll add20:38
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:35 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Whistleblower testifies about vaccines, Trump aims to stockpile 300 million N95 masks → https://is.gd/U0S0xE20:38
withorwithoutLjL: should get the 611 episode of TWIV they talk about this in the first 15-20 mins or so20:38
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: First study carried out on herd immunity of the population in the whole territory of Slovenia (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gjn1lr20:44
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network * at 18:49 UTC: ljl-covid: Add TWIV 611 (YouTube link for timestamp) → https://is.gd/yGAaQC20:52
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 18:53 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Starbucks seeks a break on rent; Schumer optimistic of a relief deal → https://is.gd/U0S0xE20:59
weimarnetzbot[m]new corona update with  drosten here: https://mediandr-a.akamaihd.net/download/podcasts/podcast4684/AU-20200514-1347-1300.mp3 (german ofcourse)21:00
weimarnetzbot[m]but there's an transcript  somewehr21:00
weimarnetzbot[m]*somewhere21:00
withorwithoutweimarnetzbot[m]: summary?21:08
withorwithout:P21:08
weimarnetzbot[m]still not had the time today for it.. guess tomorow... but i gues they talk about the organ problems, ppl could get21:09
BrainstormUpdates for France: +810 cases (now 178870), +351 deaths (now 27425) since a day ago — Ohio, US: +628 cases (now 26357), +49 deaths (now 1534) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +811 cases (now 73331), +131 deaths (now 5468) since an hour ago — Puerto Rico: +98 cases (now 2427), +2 deaths (now 117) since 10 hours ago21:09
weimarnetzbot[m]will update you all tomorow, after listening to it21:09
withorwithoutok21:14
weimarnetzbot[m]but maybe other ppl already did and can report a little about the content of that issue21:16
Albright!title https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/14/856075037/wisconsin-bars-reopen-after-court-strikes-down-safer-at-home-bans21:21
AlbrightWas it %title? Anyway, Wisonsin's stay-at-home order was found unconstitutional, surprise surprise21:22
BrainstormUpdates for Costa Rica: +15 cases (now 830) since 18 hours ago — New York, US: +1429 cases (now 352964), +696 deaths (now 27403) since 22 minutes ago — Wisconsin, US: +373 cases (now 11275), +13 deaths (now 434) since a day ago — Tennessee, US: +329 cases (now 16699), +14 deaths (now 287) since 23 hours ago21:24
withorwithoutAlbright: npr :/21:25
Albrightyeah, well, it was the first article that turned up when I searched.21:25
trajanus[m]https://twitter.com/realjuliasong/status/1260953131258646528?s=2021:29
withorwithouttrajanus[m]: that has nothing to do with the topic of the channel, fwiw21:32
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: 'OPEN IMMEDIATELY!': Wisconsinites head out to bars after state stay-at-home orders lifted (10155 votes) | https://redd.it/gjl4pi21:38
BrainstormUpdates for Mongolia: +37 cases (now 98) since 15 hours ago — Germany: +52 cases (now 174636) since 20 minutes ago — World: +89 cases (now 4.5 million) since 20 minutes ago21:39
generaFrankfurt seems to behave exavtly opposite to Wisconsin https://www.hessenschau.de/wirtschaft/restaurants-duerfen-ab-freitag-oeffnen---viele-bleiben-trotzdem-zu,restaurants-dicht-corona-102.html21:50
ArsaneritI live near Frankfurt21:54
BrainstormUpdates for Michigan, US: +1191 cases (now 49582), +73 deaths (now 4787) since a day ago — Illinois, US: +3239 cases (now 87937), +136 deaths (now 3928) since 23 hours ago — US: +4514 cases (now 1.4 million), +210 deaths (now 86454) since 35 minutes ago — Brazil: +1463 cases (now 197838), +63 deaths (now 13618) since 2 hours ago21:54
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health at 19:48 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Global deaths top 300,000 as U.S. states move ahead with reopening → https://is.gd/U0S0xE21:56
BrainstormNew from The Guardian at 19:58 UTC: Coronavirus live news: Confirmed global death toll passes 300,000: Infections near 4.5m; Europe halts delivery of faulty Chinese face masks; WHO says Covid-19 may never go; thirty-six million Americans now unemployed → https://is.gd/gITGtR22:10
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: IU, ISDH release preliminary findings about impact of COVID-19 in Indiana (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gjbi3c22:20
ryoumaa marketer would not call it herd immunity22:23
LjLthey'd call it "smart immunity" maybe, as they do with things that aren't really what they claim but come close thanks to some trick22:24
BrainstormUpdates for Togo: +19 cases (now 238) since a day ago — Uganda: +21 cases (now 160) since 22 hours ago — Connecticut, US: +609 cases (now 35464), +94 deaths (now 3219) since 23 hours ago — Pennsylvania, US: +314 cases (now 63122), +8 deaths (now 4320) since 3 hours ago22:24
python476immunitox 5000 tabs or syrup22:33
LjLpython476, "-tox" final... beginner mistake!22:39
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aradeshgraph of UK fatalaties VS the last 5 years average: https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc807/fig1/line/fallback.png22:55
nixonixhttps://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-05-14-expert-on-the-number-of-infected-in-spain--%22not-good-for-sweden%22.SJ7YXdH9cU.html22:56
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Brainstormnixonix: From www.tellerreport.com: Expert on the number of infected in Spain: "not good for Sweden" - Teller Report22:56
withorwithoutnixonix: ah nice, even though it may be too soon to tell at that large scale, still. I wonder if there are any news on the study from Bavaria (Germany)23:01
nixonixthose most interesting are from high prevalence areas, like ny city, lombardy or parts of it, and madrid. with enough people, samples etc because bad specificity of antibody tests. and from germany we only have march mortality data to see the real amount of fatalities with decent accuracy (comparing to several previous years, and considering this flu A season was very easy)23:04
withorwithoutnixonix: btw, I think the PCR testing is even worse according to latest studies23:06
withorwithoutin terms of specificity23:06
withorwithoutnixonix: https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-1495 in case you've missed it23:06
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withorwithoutnixonix: do you have information on the specificity of the antibody tests for covid-19?23:08
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withorwithoutBecause I've read numbers of 99%-100% for sensitivity and specificity for antibodies tests, for example: https://www.roche.com/media/releases/med-cor-2020-05-03.htm and there was a UK one that was even faster and gained some hype23:10
withorwithoutThe advantage of antibodies test is that antibodies last longer and you can actually detect different ones... as opposed with the PCR testing of the virus23:11
nixonixdepends on tests. and those specificities are usually only manufacturers own claims. i assume best ones are something like 95-97% specific, unless those upcoming later this month or next month are really better, as some manufacturers have promised23:11
nixonixthose that test for IgG (and possibly also IgM and IgA)23:11
withorwithoutnixonix: yes, but that's still pretty good, compared to PCR testing23:12
nixonixbut neutralising (slow, expensive) assays are over 99%23:12
nixonixPCR tests cant be used after the virus is eliminated23:12
withorwithoutI know23:12
nixonixso different purpose23:12
withorwithoutyes23:12
nixonixalso PCR tests, if they are good quality, dont give much false positives. but many of them can have bad sensitivity (as is said about us private lab tests)23:14
nixonixbut even for top quality PCR tests they might not necessarily catch the virus from eg swab, if its not there, but in lungs, organs etc only (anymore, or ever was)23:15
withorwithoutnixonix: the specificity is bad, apparently. Check the link.23:16
withorwithoutsensitivity should be ok (near 100% I'd assume)23:16
dunnpyea false positives are higher with qPCR I'd think23:18
withorwithoutdunnp: false negatives you mean?23:19
dunnpno23:20
withorwithoutspecificity = false negatives23:20
withorwithoutisn't it?23:20
nixonixyeah i know roche is one of those (with good reputation too) that have promised very specific antobody tests. but those numbers are so high, id like to see that properly validated23:20
dunnpspecificity is TN/(TN+FP)23:20
withorwithoutyes, or TN/N23:21
withorwithoutso if you have N > TN specificity is lower, that means more False Negatives23:21
withorwithoutdunnp: ah nvm, gotcha23:21
dunnpno23:21
withorwithoutyes23:21
withorwithoutsorry, anyways, the problem is with the false negatives :P23:21
withorwithoutas with the paper linked23:21
dunnpFN isn't in the equation for specificity 23:22
withorwithoutI know23:22
withorwithoutjust realized, I always mixed these two23:22
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BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews Live* at 21:29 UTC: /u/slakmehl: Nate Silver su Twitter: "US daily numbers via @COVID19Tracking: Newly reported deaths Today: 1,741 Yesterday: 1,693 One week ago (5/7): 2,746 Newly reported cases T: 25K Y: 20K 5/7 28K Newly reported tests T: 367K Y: 324K 5/7: 304K Positive test rate T: 7% Y: 6% 5/7: 9%" → https://is.gd/A0tb5f23:35
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