libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2020-05-29

BrainstormUpdates for Guyana: +11 cases (now 150) since 2 days ago — Arkansas, US: +261 cases (now 6538), +5 deaths (now 125) since 23 hours ago — New Mexico, US: +112 cases (now 7364), +6 deaths (now 335) since 23 hours ago — US: +786 cases (now 1.8 million), +20 deaths (now 103266) since 34 minutes ago00:08
withorwithoutHey, would you happen to have that scientific paper where they showed how infection from surfaces and outdoors was not significant?  00:44
BrainstormUpdates for Colombia: +1262 cases (now 25366), +19 deaths (now 822) since a day ago — Argentina: +769 cases (now 14702), +7 deaths (now 508) since 7 hours ago — Peru: +5874 cases (now 141779), +116 deaths (now 4099) since a day ago — South Africa: +1466 cases (now 27403), +25 deaths (now 577) since a day ago00:53
BrainstormUpdates for Central African Rep.: +53 cases (now 755) since 20 hours ago — Nebraska, US: +285 cases (now 13261), +1 deaths (now 164) since 22 hours ago — Washington, US: +141 cases (now 21684), +1 deaths (now 1105) since 19 minutes ago — US: +494 cases (now 1.8 million), +3 deaths (now 103302) since 19 minutes ago01:08
BrainstormUpdates for Brazil: +19472 cases (now 438812), +1046 deaths (now 26991) since 3 hours ago — World: +19694 cases (now 5.9 million), +1057 deaths (now 361908) since 18 minutes ago — Georgia (US), US: +196 cases (now 45266), +11 deaths (now 1973) since 5 hours ago — US: +214 cases (now 1.8 million), +11 deaths (now 103313) since 19 minutes ago01:23
BrainstormUpdates for Panama: +403 cases (now 12131), +5 deaths (now 320) since a day ago — World: +469 cases (now 5.9 million), +11 deaths (now 361919) since 22 minutes ago — California, US: +22 cases (now 103674), +2 deaths (now 4039) since 33 minutes ago — US: +65 cases (now 1.8 million), +6 deaths (now 103319) since 22 minutes ago01:38
BrainstormUpdates for Zimbabwe: +17 cases (now 149) since a day ago — Alabama, US: +220 cases (now 16530), +1 deaths (now 591) since 3 hours ago — US: +260 cases (now 1.8 million), +1 deaths (now 103320) since 19 minutes ago — Texas, US: +32 cases (now 60788) since 19 minutes ago01:53
Akash[m]%cases india02:33
BrainstormAkash[m]: In India, there have been 165386 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 4711 deaths (2.8% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 3.4 million tests were performed (4.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.9% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 6.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data.02:33
Butterfly^^https://youtu.be/GLcNStHTDjM  Covid related02:51
ryoumawhat is significant?  just droplets and aerosols?  if so, what size particles?  --- 15:44 <withorwithout> Hey, would you happen to have that scientific paper where they showed how infection from surfaces and outdoors was not significant?  02:55
BrainstormUpdates for Guatemala: +203 cases (now 4348), +12 deaths (now 80) since 23 hours ago — Mexico: +3377 cases (now 81400), +447 deaths (now 9044) since a day ago — New Hampshire, US: +100 cases (now 4386), +9 deaths (now 232) since a day ago — Honduras: +112 cases (now 4752), +2 deaths (now 196) since 23 hours ago03:23
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Efficacy of Ivermectin in Adult Patients With Early Stages of COVID-19 (84 votes) | https://redd.it/gsa5th03:50
LjLiverwhat now03:51
BrainstormUpdates for Bolivia: +619 cases (now 8387), +13 deaths (now 293) since 23 hours ago — World: +634 cases (now 5.9 million), +13 deaths (now 362176) since 53 minutes ago — Australia: +15 cases (now 7165) since 23 hours ago04:09
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Pulmonary and cardiac pathology in African American patients with COVID-19: an autopsy series from New Orleans (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gs40q004:14
mazoutstill alive, covid still remain04:26
ytlyv9wave two starting soon04:27
RadioActive%cases usa04:52
BrainstormUpdates for Haiti: +123 cases (now 1443), +1 deaths (now 35) since a day ago — World: +123 cases (now 5.9 million), +1 deaths (now 362177) since 50 minutes ago — South Korea: +58 cases (now 11402) since a day ago04:52
BrainstormRadioActive: In US, there have been 1.8 million confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 103330 deaths (5.8% of cases) as of an hour ago. 25.5 million tests were performed (6.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.9% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 17.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.04:52
ryoumacan we get an estimate of the corruption and fudging of data sot aht we can put error bounds on those numbers?04:54
ryoumaand also, just lpain inaccuracy04:54
ryoumasorry, not in a mood to trust any officials anyplace (no reflection on offloop or its sources whatsoever)04:55
ryoumabecause of what?  lifting of lockdowns?  --- 19:27 <ytlyv9> wave two starting soon04:55
jacklswjust stay save for ourselves04:57
ytlyv9usa all ready lost controll04:58
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: UC study uncovers clues to COVID-19 in the brain (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gs7b4305:03
BrainstormUpdates for Western Australia, Australia: +7 cases (now 577) since 2 days ago — New Brunswick, Canada: +3 cases (now 126) since a day ago — Quebec, Canada: +563 cases (now 49711), +74 deaths (now 4303) since a day ago — Ontario, Canada: +377 cases (now 28320), +28 deaths (now 2292) since a day ago05:09
JamGobbardamn05:15
JamGobbarmineapolis is going up in flames05:15
JamGobbarand no one is social distancing05:15
LjLsocial distancing is so last month05:20
JamGobbarLjL: you watching these streams?05:21
JamGobbarthey're intesnse05:21
LjLno, what's going on?05:21
berkchopsthese riots are nuts05:21
JamGobbarhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbDcXe0eUpM05:21
ryoumastreams?05:21
JamGobbarhttps://www.pscp.tv/w/1LyxBNWvvYjxN05:21
berkchopshttps://youtu.be/3eZaOGehK6k05:21
JamGobbarhttps://unicornriot.ninja/live-channel/05:21
berkchopshttps://youtu.be/JSWvPJnyMqY05:21
ryoumaare they wearing masks?05:22
JamGobbarsome05:22
berkchopssome are05:22
JamGobbarbut definitely not social distancing05:22
JamGobbaras they light the plice precinct on ifre05:22
ryoumaare they mixed race?05:22
berkchopsmsnbc also has people on the ground05:22
JamGobbaryes05:22
berkchopsit is a very diverse group from what i've seen05:22
berkchopsunicorn riot is IN the police station05:23
LjLit's a tense time for many reasons but from outside i couldn't see how cops could keep, keep murdering people in America, and mostly get away with it legally (not even get a trial), and... people wouldn't revolt against it at some point05:27
LjLto be fair, it has already happened in a way when police were snipered05:27
ryoumawhen?05:28
LjLi don't remember, a year or two ago05:28
berkchopsin texas05:29
JamGobbarferguson05:29
JamGobbarthat was the last protests i saw05:29
JamGobbarlike this05:29
berkchopsno texas was where cops were attacked05:30
berkchopshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers05:30
ryoumado police have an us vs. them mentality -- everywhere or just in some places or not at all05:31
JamGobbari remember that05:31
Trippy72394hi anyone here?05:34
JamGobbaryes05:35
JamGobbarwe''re all watching minn burn05:35
Trippy72394jeez05:35
Trippy72394are you on lockdown still?05:35
berkchopsphase 1 reopen as of today, not that it changes anything i'm not going out05:38
BrainstormUpdates for Ucayali, Peru: +1052 cases (now 3530), +1 deaths (now 105) since 4 days ago — Lima, Peru: +17323 cases (now 87478), +359 deaths (now 1473) since 4 days ago — Amazonas, Colombia: +502 cases (now 1723), +13 deaths (now 57) since 4 days ago — Pasco, Peru: +177 cases (now 426), +3 deaths (now 8) since 4 days ago05:39
Trippy72394survey question: Are people sleeping more, or is there more insomnia? Are people having strange, vivid dreams, as though compensating for sensory deprivation?05:41
addmayodreams arent any stranger.  already had fucked up dreams before all this.  sleeping less and getting worse quality sleep though.05:47
Trippy72394addmayo, interesting, thank you.05:52
Trippy72394one would think sleeping longer hours, but i'm hearing about insomnia and bad sleeps05:53
Trippy72394maybe that has to do with less exercise too from sitting about05:53
Trippy72394addmayo, you exercise while on lockdown?05:53
BrainstormUpdates for Mongolia: +18 cases (now 179) since a day ago — India: +413 cases (now 165799) since 8 hours ago — World: +431 cases (now 5.9 million) since 49 minutes ago05:54
addmayoi didnt exercise before and i havent started06:01
addmayoso no06:01
Trippy72394ok thanks06:02
addmayonp06:02
Trippy72394Finally, with all these variants of covid, should a single vacinne do still? And what's the latest on when, the likelihood of one being made, and how long it will last?06:02
dunnpis there something new on more strains of it?06:03
dunnpI thought it was pretty stable06:03
Trippy72394not sure.06:03
Trippy72394ah stable, good.06:03
Trippy72394So that's one question answered.06:03
Trippy72394:)06:03
addmayonot an immunologist so cant speak to the efficacy of any vaccines, should they come available.  a lot of answers tonthose questions are still unknowns. when it comes to things like this there isnt anything you can do to speed up trials and studies.  even ones that end early because the medici06:07
addmayostill collect data for months and or years06:08
addmayosorry typing on an ipad06:09
addmayonot ideal06:09
Trippy72394addmayo, thank you!06:09
Trippy72394to show appreciation for taking the time to answer, here is a short joke:06:11
Trippy72394A turtle got mugged by a snail. The police said: "Can you describe the snail?" The turtle replied: "No. I'm sorry. It all happened so fast."06:12
addmayohilarious06:14
addmayowasnt funny but it made me smile06:14
Trippy72394:)06:15
Trippy72394I guess we could all use a bit of cheering up. :)06:15
addmayoanything else i cant help with?06:15
addmayoyeah laughing is good even with things06:15
addmayoeven when things are shit^06:16
Trippy72394I think that's it. Just hoping for a vaccine so we can all carry on06:16
Trippy72394They are. I do hope humans don't carry on as usual though. A bit less buying crap and a bit less ripping down forests with bats would be good.06:16
addmayothat would be ideal, since there is a real possibilty this could turn into an endemic disease06:17
Trippy72394Yes indeed.06:18
Trippy72394Anyway, thank you again so much. :)06:18
addmayowelcome06:18
ryoumamy concern with vaccines is thosew ho fall through the cracks.  normally, you don't get a vaccine if you have weird undiagnosed immune issues that your doctors think could pose a risk, or you have hiv you can take them but you know becaue of sufficient research that you have to increase your antiretrovirals.  but there could be increased coercion with a sars2 vaccine, and in the rush tog et it out there cuold be ins06:20
ryoumaufficient testing on vuilnerable groups especially with rare or understudied diseases.06:20
EricGrahamMacEacryouma: Shut the fuck up and leave it to the medical doctors. 06:21
Trippy72394Manners please.06:21
ryoumano06:21
Trippy72394I think there are also people who say they will refuse a vaccine.06:21
ryoumait needs to be left to biologists and medical doctors, adn those who have rare diseases06:22
ryoumathere is also the anti-vax issue, but that's separate.  the risk, jhowever, is that in order to increase compliance, some will say what that person above said, and try to equate those whoare sick with that stuff.06:23
ryoumayeah there will be refusers for various rasons (anti-vax, religious, etc.), but i imagine they will be a pretty low percentage06:26
Trippy72394I read it's quite high, but that is just a survey.06:26
ryoumaTrippy72394: this time around?06:27
ryoumai'd think most would scramble to get vaccinated06:27
Trippy72394Not sure what you mean.06:27
ryoumawell, i'd think the thinking there would have changed a bit06:27
Trippy72394There were a few surveys in USA anyhow and lots of people said they would refuse a vaccine.06:27
ryoumahmm06:28
Trippy72394And I read people who disobey the lockdown citing freedom and "my body my choice". Are they aware they might bring it home to grandma or a shopkeeper who will bring it home to grandma?06:28
Trippy72394One would think they would consider that.06:29
ryoumayeah06:29
Trippy72394Odd.06:29
Trippy72394Maybe they didn't think it through all the way.06:29
ryoumasome are astroturfed professionally06:29
ryoumaafter the election that movement might be less strong06:30
Trippy72394Yes that's odd too. I can't figure out how people can believe someone once they  have lied. If someone lies to me, I don't believe a word they say after that. 06:30
ryoumalet me look up altemeyer's theory06:30
ryoumalook at the aug 23 2018 entry06:31
ryoumahttps://www.theauthoritarians.org/06:31
Trippy72394ok06:31
ryoumait's plausible on the surface06:31
ryoumato me anyway06:32
Trippy72394I've got it and saved it. I will eat and read it later on. Thanks for that. :)06:33
addmayoits an echo chamber amongst those communities.  all the anti vax fools ( amongst others ) hear is themselves talking.  any data that doesnt fit their established bias is distored or discredited06:33
Trippy72394But surely they must hear lies and contradictions from the very people they do listen to. Those lies are obvious.06:34
Trippy72394It seems so odd to me. 06:35
ryoumai'm not talking about antivaxxers06:35
ryoumajust what altemeyer is talkign about06:35
ryouma"Compared to most people, studies have shown that authoritarian followers get their beliefs and opinions from the authorities in their lives, and hardly at all by making up their own minds. They memorize rather than reason."06:35
ryoumait is plausible some of them doubt, but do not voice their doubts.  so if smoe of their respected peers openly stated doubts on tv or something, that might be persuasive.06:36
Trippy72394But when those people they listen to contradict themselves, how on earth do they reconcile that?06:36
Trippy72394If Bob says A then B and one must be a lie for the other to be true, then what?06:37
ryoumait isn't an issue of logic06:37
ryoumait's more an issue of displaying loyalty06:38
Trippy72394I'd love to be there and see how those people reply to "He just said A and then said B, the opposite. He must be lying, right?"06:38
ryoumaand feeling belonging06:38
Trippy72394But how would that person respond to that? 06:38
ryoumayou must not live in the us....06:38
addmayoryouma is right06:39
Trippy72394No, I do not.06:39
Trippy72394If you said that, how would they reply?06:39
Trippy72394I've always wanted to know that.06:39
BrainstormUpdates for Pakistan: +2801 cases (now 64028), +57 deaths (now 1317) since 23 hours ago — World: +3157 cases (now 5.9 million), +57 deaths (now 362261) since 57 minutes ago — Kazakhstan: +356 cases (now 9932) since a day ago06:39
ryoumafollow us news for a while and you'll get it06:39
Trippy72394I do. I still don't get it.06:39
ryouma:)06:39
addmayoits largly based on cult of personality too06:39
Trippy72394What on earth would they say?06:40
Trippy72394Would they stand there and just stare, or reply, or what?06:40
ryoumadunno06:40
Trippy72394Even a kid would say "Daddy, you said Canada is north, then you said it was south. One cannot be true."06:41
ryoumahumans are profoundly irrational in many cases06:42
Trippy72394Understood. But what would the reply be to "He just said A and then said B, the opposite. He must be lying, right?"06:42
ryoumathey literally believed freud's nonsense.  and many still do via derrida and postwhateverism.  and they contradict all over the place.06:43
addmayoits less to do with what is true or false and more to do with how youve aligned your worldview to be authoritarian centric06:43
ryoumayeah06:43
Trippy72394I can't get my head around it. I guess I just don't understand people there.06:43
addmayoconstant misinformation is a cornerstone 06:44
Trippy72394How will it end?06:44
ryoumawe are watching the results06:44
Trippy72394It looks like it is heading toward worse and worse. What does worst look like?06:45
ryoumalord of the flies06:45
Trippy72394Good book!06:45
Trippy72394And a good film too!06:45
Trippy72394Poor piggy!06:46
ryoumai was unimpressed by it becuase it was too plausible of my peers06:46
Trippy72394:)06:46
addmayowell for example there are parallels to US politics and nazi germany.   trump loves calling journalists "fake news" and hilters regime did the exact same thing.  they called it "lugenpresse"06:46
addmayolying press06:47
Trippy72394I'm not sure all that "strong" and "free" and "brave" stuff is true afterall.06:47
Trippy72394Oh. I hope that's not the "worst". :(06:47
Trippy72394I'm seeing "weak" and "captured" and "scared".06:48
addmayoyou asked for what the worst looked like06:48
Trippy72394Oh dear.06:48
Trippy72394I hate to say this, but I sort of want to slap people across the face and tell them to come to their senses and that they've been under a spell.06:48
Trippy72394Like in the movies.06:49
ryoumaboth the right and the left have abandoned the ideas of the age of reason completely.  there was lip service for a long time.  now there is not even lip service.06:49
ryoumain the us at least06:49
Trippy72394I guess it's easier here in China. 06:50
ryoumawhy?06:50
Trippy72394Here, nobody thinks, cares, worries, or has much of an attention span.06:50
ryoumalol :/ same in the us except there is hostility on both sides of any topic uyou an imagine06:50
Trippy72394They don't think deeply about anything much. As for organizing, luckily, they couldn't organize a cup of coffee.06:51
ryoumaand outgroup homogeneity.  that population you hate is more diverse than you think.06:51
addmayoive been a huge proponent of travel06:52
addmayotravel kills ignorance06:52
Trippy72394Travel is good!06:52
Trippy72394The good thing about China is, there are not two sides. The whole country is homogenous. Everyone thinks alike. No conflict between groups because there are no groups.06:53
ryoumathre is the humidity theory of liberalism (in this case liberalism meaning more the old sense of reason is good and cosmopolitanism and so on): cities grow up around rivers and ocean shores and lake shores.  they tend to be liberal (in that sense).  theory being they meeto more cultures.06:53
ryoumadue to transport06:53
Trippy72394A well-engineered society so that everyone is nice gentle sheep. :)06:53
Trippy72394I like that. It makes sense.06:54
Trippy72394But then island people are kind of xenophobic. Ha!06:54
Trippy72394ahahaha06:54
Trippy72394I'm on an island, and I'm kind of xenophobic.06:54
addmayowhich island06:55
Trippy72394I'm not telling you. You might come here! Stay away. Off, off, off!06:55
Trippy72394hahahahah06:55
Trippy72394kidding. Hainan Island06:55
Trippy72394I guess a town surrounded by wheat is like an island.06:56
Trippy72394Passers-through are treated with suspicion! :)06:56
addmayoare you a chinese citizen?06:56
ytlyv9Miami, US06:56
Trippy72394No. British and Canadian.06:57
Trippy72394Miami. Nice.06:57
addmayoi see06:57
Trippy72394Miami, almost sounds like a kind of sushi.06:57
addmayodo you live in china long term?06:57
Trippy72394Maybe 15 years now.06:58
ryouma"Hainan is the smallest and southernmost province of the People's Republic of China (PRC), consisting of various islands in the South China Sea."06:58
Trippy72394Yes.06:58
Trippy72394It's lovely. And safe.06:58
ryoumano cases?06:58
Trippy72394I went to a hotel in a town here and in two seconds the police phoned the room.06:58
Trippy72394No cases for months.06:58
addmayohow do you feel government as a whole has handled the outbreak?06:58
Trippy72394I love the way they handled it!06:59
ryoumawhy di the police phone you?06:59
Trippy72394Really, I am critical of things deserving it. The government here is amazing.06:59
addmayoyour local governmemt or national?06:59
Trippy72394They want to know my intentions there, where I would go etc, where I was.06:59
Trippy72394Local.06:59
Trippy72394I was just talking to a friend in Oshawa Ontario Canada.07:00
Trippy72394He was going to the lake front, Lake Ontario. I suggested a small fire on the beach. 07:00
Trippy72394Year round curfew and security guards and no fires, not even a tiny one.07:00
Trippy72394In China, you can do as you like. If the police come for something, which they never do, nobody gets arrested. It's like the Dutch police. Talk, resolve, bye bye. Lovely.07:01
Trippy72394And when the government snapped into covid action, which they did amazingly fast, we all obeyed and the virus was gone in no time.07:02
Trippy72394The lockdown was short and easy and organized. Absolutley all areas had checkpoints. It was stunninly efficient.07:02
addmayois law enforcement on the island easier to work with/be around relative to mainland china or roughly the same?07:02
Trippy72394Not sure.07:03
Trippy72394Actually, I do have friends on the mainland, and it was roughly the same.07:03
addmayointeresting07:03
ryoumataiwan acted quickly too07:04
Trippy72394It's this top down government thing that worked.07:04
addmayonow it it i who must thank you for satisfying my curiosity07:04
Trippy72394Yes, they did.07:04
Trippy72394I'm all for nailing the virus hard and getting back to life. None of this half-way measure stuff. That just doesn't work. Can't have the bug loose in society.07:05
Trippy72394And now we're all back to normal. Restuarants still a bit empty, but day by day better.07:05
addmayoi have long admired the way many asians respond to times of crisis, relative to how west and particular america07:06
Trippy72394And let's not forget New Zealand! Jacinda Ardern is wonderful!07:06
Trippy72394Make a statue of that dear woman!07:07
addmayoafter the tohoku earthquake in 2011 the japanese people didnt panic.  they acted more rationally that i think we would in a similar situation07:08
addmayothe usanrhat07:08
Trippy72394Indeed they did.07:08
addmayothe usa that is ^07:08
ryoumacivil unrest does seem less likely in japan than in the us at this time07:09
addmayoits a culture thing07:09
addmayoive been a few times.  lovely place to visit07:10
Trippy72394may i ask where you are?07:11
addmayosouth carolina07:11
addmayousa07:11
Trippy72394lockdown?07:12
addmayogod no we have been open a few weeks now07:12
Trippy72394people in masks?07:12
addmayoworries me07:12
addmayotoo few07:12
Trippy72394spike?07:12
Trippy72394govt concealing deaths?07:13
addmayoseems to be steady but who knows what the real numbers are07:13
addmayoi feel like i take it much more seriouly than many here07:13
Trippy72394do you wear a mask in public?07:14
addmayoanytime i leave the house07:14
Trippy72394do people dislike you in a mask?07:15
addmayono bad encounters so far07:15
Trippy72394good07:16
Trippy72394do people stand too near one another?07:16
addmayoin some places yes07:16
Trippy72394are people worried about money?07:16
addmayoi try to stay home as much as i can07:16
addmayoyes07:16
Trippy72394very?07:16
addmayosome are.  some cannot aford to stay out of work07:17
addmayoafford^07:17
Trippy72394things getting cheapeer or more expensive?07:17
addmayosome products are more expensive07:18
Trippy72394overall average?07:18
addmayoup07:18
addmayosave for gasoline07:18
Trippy72394ok.07:18
Trippy72394right. i read about that.07:18
Trippy72394and used cars i guess07:19
addmayowe havent seen gas prices this low in years07:19
ryoumaTrippy72394: your entry point is miami, coincidentally07:19
Trippy72394ryouma, not sure what you mean.07:19
ryoumafreenode is federated, so it has a bunch of nodes07:20
Trippy72394ah07:20
Trippy72394ok07:20
Trippy72394so what percentage of shops are shuttered?07:21
addmayoright now i would say less than 1507:21
Trippy72394in n carolina or miami?07:21
Trippy72394less than 15 ok07:22
addmayobut it is different in each state07:22
Trippy72394what do people talk about now, say, during a picnic?07:22
Trippy72394the future? election? covid? money? changing the future? getting back to the old past?07:23
addmayoabout how they just want to get back to normal mainly07:23
Trippy72394bad china? bad fed govt?07:23
addmayobut this might be the new normal07:23
Trippy72394hmmmm yes.07:23
Trippy72394i heard 1/3 hate china now.07:23
addmayoi live in a mostly conservative area so there is some anti chinese sentiment around07:24
Trippy72394i understand. that must suck for Chinese Americans.07:25
addmayothe country around here is beautiful but i find the prejudice that is also here... not so beautiful07:25
Trippy72394i never understood prejudice, being from canada. where i grew up, it's better to have lots of different races about. it makes for better food and conversation.07:26
addmayomy politics are very liberal relative to most in my area07:26
Trippy72394good.07:26
Trippy72394do you think, post covid, americans will have an increased or decreased taste for war?07:27
addmayoalso being an atheist in the bible belt can be... challenging at times07:27
Trippy72394so you're a science person?07:27
addmayoprofessionally?07:28
Trippy72394no07:28
Trippy72394regarding religion07:28
addmayooh07:28
addmayowell im not religous07:28
addmayoi dont  knp07:29
Trippy72394i guess dawkins admits he must be agnostic due to scientific probability being never zero :)07:29
Trippy72394but he says for practical purposes he's an atheist07:29
addmayoconsider science to be a religion though07:29
Trippy72394hmmmm interresting.07:29
Trippy72394i've in the camp of "no proof, no belief"07:29
addmayoi dont consider ir07:29
addmayoi meant to type07:29
Trippy72394but likelihoods must be considered. and as for god, pretty bloody unlikely. :)07:30
addmayoinreally have to get a bluetooth keyboard for this ipad07:30
Trippy72394or chuck the ipad.07:30
Trippy72394i own no phone or ipad or anything small like that.07:30
addmayonah i like it too much07:30
Trippy72394too fiddly and i'm too old :)07:30
Trippy72394give me an ipad and i'd serve you tea on it07:30
addmayoi have a PC but not acessable af the ppp07:31
addmayof07:31
addmayoat the moment07:31
Trippy72394ah07:31
Trippy72394ok07:31
ryoumadawkins thing (in his book on the subject) is partly because it is asymmetric to say that to be a believer you can believe 66%, but to be an atheist, you have to be 0%.07:31
Trippy72394right07:32
ryoumaso it's ok to say you'r an atheist even ifyou are at 3%07:32
Trippy72394that would really be agnostic07:32
Trippy72394:)07:32
Trippy72394atheist for practical purposes should be in the .001% range :)07:32
addmayoyeah im just not convinced.  i dont feel like i need some supernatural entity to exist for things to be thr way they are07:32
Trippy72394darn right07:33
Trippy72394amino acids baby!!!!07:33
Trippy72394give me building blocks and a little lightning and water, and i'll give you life from the bottom up, starting with horrid covid07:33
Trippy72394hahaha07:33
Trippy72394no need for god there.07:33
ryoumaidk the numbers dawkins uses07:34
addmayoi used to be christian07:34
Trippy72394not like there's a missing link and a giant hole screaming "there must be a god, otherwise this can't all exist"07:34
addmayogrew up in a southern baptist church07:34
Trippy72394If Jesus even existed, I'm sure he was a standup fellow.07:34
Trippy72394Well, you had good music.07:35
addmayono07:35
Trippy72394no?07:35
addmayowhite churces07:35
Trippy72394Ah, so hymns and stuff right?07:35
addmayohave no soul in the music07:35
ryoumaonward soldiers and all that?07:35
addmayoyeah crap like that07:35
Trippy72394oh dear. See, that's why other races and cultures are good: food, conversation, and music!07:36
Trippy72394You know, people here are very racist.07:36
Trippy72394I know a man, an English teacher from London. Beautiful English. Can't find work. Russians with half english and strong accents can, though. 07:37
Trippy72394The London man is Indian heritage -- brown skin.07:37
addmayoyeah its very similar in japan ive noticed07:37
Trippy72394Oh, I'd expect more from them.07:38
Trippy72394But I have heard that some people in Japan think "others" are a bit dirty.07:38
ryoumajapan will change rapidly because of the low birth rate07:38
addmayothey can be pretty xenophobic 07:38
Trippy72394We have loads of med students here from Camaroon, Nigeria, Pakistan, etc.07:38
Trippy72394Yes, I wonder what will become of Japan.07:39
addmayoyeah theyre gonna have to welcome immigration or start paying people big money tonstart having babies07:39
Trippy72394Maybe they can knock down walls and make two apartments into one, if their population declines.07:39
ryoumathey will accept foreigners more.  they have already since i think.07:39
Trippy72394Yes, immigration. I think Japan could do with in influx of people of colour!07:40
Trippy72394And if they intermarry, they would have lovely babies.07:40
Trippy72394Mixed babies are always so good looking.07:40
Trippy72394I think the nicest looking people of all are mixed.07:40
ryoumaactually i takie that back i don't have enough evidence taht they accpe foreigners more.  i do think there are more foreigners there though.07:41
addmayoyou still get a lot of dirty looks from older people here if you date outside your race07:41
Trippy72394Look at some Brazillians with their Asian/Afro/Spanish thing. Just so sexy.07:41
Trippy72394I've done a google walkaround in Japan (before it got blocked here) and do not remember seeing many non-Japanese faces.07:42
Trippy72394Sweden has lots, though.07:42
addmayojalan 07:42
Trippy72394dirty looks, eh? Well!07:42
addmayojapan is stk,,d07:42
addmayodamnit07:42
Trippy72394hahaha get a keyboard! hahaha07:42
addmayojapan is still pretty homogenous07:42
Trippy72394I'm sorry. It must be very frustrating.07:43
Trippy72394Well, they could use a DNA influx, else they'll all end up looking like that Spanish royal family.07:43
Trippy72394Did you see them? In the end, their heads were all flat and bent. 07:43
addmayooh yeah hapsburgs07:43
Trippy72394Yes.07:43
addmayofamily tree was a circle07:43
Trippy72394Yes. aka the Idiotburgs.07:43
Trippy72394How are you this evening, your highness? Reply: I've wommond sshnnned for dinenr at 5 okcookk what???07:44
Trippy72394I wonder if they got stupid, though. I expect they did.07:45
addmayoof course07:45
ryoumahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeIsxXDyjlc07:45
addmayoalright i must be gertimg to07:45
addmayoppp07:45
addmayoto bed07:45
ryouma"i am my own grandpa"07:45
addmayolol07:45
Trippy72394Youtube is blocked in China.07:45
Trippy72394Ok me too! Naptime! yaya07:45
addmayoits like almost 0200 here07:45
Trippy72394i am my own grandpa hahahahaha07:45
addmayogood talking to ya07:46
Trippy72394I guess you could tell someone "Your mother is your sister"07:46
Trippy72394and leave before they figure it out07:46
Trippy72394a pleasure addmayo07:46
Trippy72394sleep well07:46
ryoumait was a popular song07:46
Trippy72394bye bye all. thank you again for the good info and nice chat.07:46
ryouma"Many, many years ago when I was 23, I was married to a widow, who was pretty as could be. This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red My father fell in Love with her and soon they too were wed. This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life!"07:49
ryoumait goes on...07:49
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Population-scale testing can suppress the spread of COVID-19 (83 votes) | https://redd.it/gseueu08:29
Haley[mt][m]!cases usa08:36
CovBotIn United States there have been a total of 1,768,461 cases as of 2020-05-29 06:31:00 UTC. Of these 1,166,406 (66.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 498,725 (28.2%) have definitely recovered and 103,330 (5.8%) have died.08:36
BrainstormUpdates for Armenia: +460 cases (now 8676), +7 deaths (now 120) since a day ago — Afghanistan: +623 cases (now 13659), +11 deaths (now 246) since 22 hours ago — Ukraine: +429 cases (now 22811), +10 deaths (now 679) since a day ago — El Salvador: +84 cases (now 2278), +3 deaths (now 42) since a day ago09:09
BrainstormUpdates for Dem. Rep. Congo: +173 cases (now 2833) since a day ago — Russia: +8572 cases (now 387623), +232 deaths (now 4374) since a day ago — World: +9511 cases (now 5.9 million), +241 deaths (now 362545) since an hour ago — Poland: +139 cases (now 22964), +5 deaths (now 1043) since 16 hours ago10:20
BrainstormUpdates for Bangladesh: +2523 cases (now 42844), +23 deaths (now 582) since 23 hours ago — World: +2550 cases (now 5.9 million), +26 deaths (now 362571) since 37 minutes ago — Austria: +27 cases (now 16655) since 23 hours ago — Malta: +1 deaths (now 8) since 20 hours ago10:50
BrainstormUpdates for Hong Kong: +13 cases (now 1080) since 2 days ago — India: +284 cases (now 166113), +2 deaths (now 4715) since 2 hours ago — World: +436 cases (now 5.9 million), +2 deaths (now 362573) since 41 minutes ago — Malaysia: +103 cases (now 7732) since a day ago11:20
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: People are accidentally throwing out their stimulus check — because it looks like junk mail (10047 votes) | https://redd.it/gsi7li11:36
BrainstormUpdates for Iran: +2819 cases (now 146668), +50 deaths (now 7677) since a day ago — Oman: +811 cases (now 9820) since a day ago — Iowa, US: +103 cases (now 18689), +13 deaths (now 519) since 11 hours ago — Belgium: +212 cases (now 58061), +42 deaths (now 9430) since a day ago12:35
MBip[m]Now that is a cleanup..12:42
BrainstormUpdates for Qatar: +1993 cases (now 52907), +3 deaths (now 36) since 21 hours ago — Madagascar: +42 cases (now 698), +3 deaths (now 5) since a day ago — Nepal: +170 cases (now 1212) since a day ago — Senegal: +81 cases (now 3429), +2 deaths (now 41) since a day ago12:50
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Reduced Vitamin K Status as A Potentially Modifiable Prognostic Risk Factor in COVID-19 (83 votes) | https://redd.it/gsl25n13:01
MBip[m]What does idle mean?  If I just lurk, will I be thrown out?13:09
yuriwhono you will not13:17
yuriwhomost people just idle and lurk13:17
BrainstormUpdates for North Macedonia: +52 cases (now 2129), +5 deaths (now 126) since 22 hours ago — Ethiopia: +137 cases (now 968), +1 deaths (now 8) since a day ago — World: +549 cases (now 5.9 million), +11 deaths (now 362804) since 46 minutes ago — Germany: +43 cases (now 182495), +4 deaths (now 8574) since 15 hours ago13:35
BrainstormUpdates for Sweden: +749 cases (now 36476), +84 deaths (now 4350) since 23 hours ago — Belarus: +906 cases (now 40764), +5 deaths (now 224) since a day ago — World: +1960 cases (now 5.9 million), +89 deaths (now 362893) since 33 minutes ago — Bahrain: +300 cases (now 10352) since 17 hours ago14:05
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Different pattern of pre-existing SARS-COV-2 specific T cell immunity in SARS-recovered and uninfected individuals (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gs2omf14:07
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Death threats after a trial on chloroquine for COVID-19 (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gspwfg14:50
BrainstormUpdates for Puerto Rico, US: +161 cases (now 3647), +1 deaths (now 132) since a day ago — Saudi Arabia: +1581 cases (now 81766), +17 deaths (now 458) since a day ago — Portugal: +350 cases (now 31946), +14 deaths (now 1383) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +176 cases (now 46126), +28 deaths (now 5931) since a day ago14:51
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Single-dose replicating RNA vaccine induces neutralizing antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in nonhuman primates (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gso7qg15:20
BrainstormUpdates for Kenya: +127 cases (now 1745), +4 deaths (now 62) since a day ago — Virginia, US: +1132 cases (now 42533), +20 deaths (now 1358) since a day ago — United Arab Emirates: +638 cases (now 33170), +2 deaths (now 260) since a day ago — US: +1438 cases (now 1.8 million), +20 deaths (now 103365) since 32 minutes ago15:21
BrainstormUpdates for Puerto Rico: +161 cases (now 3647), +1 deaths (now 132) since 23 hours ago — Alabama, US: +24 cases (now 16554), +14 deaths (now 605) since 14 hours ago — India: +95 cases (now 168482), +2 deaths (now 4808) since 33 minutes ago — US: +24 cases (now 1.8 million), +14 deaths (now 103379) since 33 minutes ago15:51
BrainstormUpdates for Philippines: +1046 cases (now 16634), +21 deaths (now 942) since a day ago — Azerbaijan: +230 cases (now 4989), +2 deaths (now 58) since 22 hours ago — Eq. Guinea: +263 cases (now 1306) since 3 days ago — Kuwait: +1072 cases (now 25184), +9 deaths (now 194) since a day ago16:06
Jigsy%cases UK16:23
BrainstormJigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 269127 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 37837 deaths (14.1% of cases) as of 22 hours ago. 5.4 million tests were performed (5.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.16:23
Urchin%cases croatia16:47
BrainstormUrchin: In Croatia, there have been 2245 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 103 deaths (4.6% of cases) as of an hour ago. 65094 tests were performed (3.4% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Croatia for time series data.16:47
BrainstormUpdates for Yemen: +5 cases (now 283), +8 deaths (now 65) since 21 hours ago — Maryland, US: +1279 cases (now 50988), +38 deaths (now 2466) since 23 hours ago — Moldova: +171 cases (now 7896), +6 deaths (now 288) since 23 hours ago — US: +2025 cases (now 1.8 million), +39 deaths (now 103418) since an hour ago17:06
BrainstormUpdates for Iraq: +416 cases (now 5873), +6 deaths (now 185) since a day ago — World: +419 cases (now 6.0 million), +6 deaths (now 363115) since 17 minutes ago — Greece: +3 cases (now 2909) since 23 hours ago17:21
BrainstormUpdates for Sudan: +175 cases (now 4521), +38 deaths (now 233) since a day ago — Chile: +3695 cases (now 90638), +54 deaths (now 944) since a day ago — Rhode Island, US: +141 cases (now 14635), +16 deaths (now 693) since 23 hours ago — World: +4796 cases (now 6.0 million), +126 deaths (now 363241) since 36 minutes ago17:51
_abc_Is there a good explanation somewhere on why Sweden has so many dead per million?18:06
_abc_And is there profiling of these dead? Mostly elderly? Immigrants/refugees? What?18:06
spybertbasically they aren't doing anything to control the spread, so it is what one would expect18:12
_abc_Is it?18:14
_abc_So it's taking out everyone or is there a profile?18:14
_abc_Just read some monkeys stole and ate covid samples taken from presumed sick people in an Indian city.18:14
_abc_Grabbed them from a lab technician.18:15
spybertThey probably get it too.18:15
spybertAs far as I know Sweden has the usual distribution of deaths, the old and those with underlying health problems getting hit.18:16
ecks90.3% are 70+18:16
spybertBelgium is the worst hit large country, with 2x the deaths per million of Sweden18:17
ecks78.6% with hypertension18:17
ecksthe usual18:17
generawhat was the explanation for belgium?18:18
ecksI don't have anything to compare with but more than 50% of Sweden's deaths are outside hospitals18:19
BrainstormUpdates for Arizona, US: +702 cases (now 18465), +28 deaths (now 885) since 23 hours ago — Mississippi, US: +418 cases (now 14790), +17 deaths (now 710) since 23 hours ago — South Dakota, US: +73 cases (now 4866), +5 deaths (now 59) since 22 hours ago — Montana, US: +8 cases (now 493) since a day ago18:21
JigsyI overheard my neighbors this morning.18:35
JigsyOn the phone with someone.18:35
JigsySaying they're going to flout the lockdown rules.18:35
JigsyWhom do I report them to? :P18:35
_abc_Hmm Samsung and LG both want to stop making LCDs and restart OLED work. Not microled, OLED.18:38
_abc_Sorry wrong channel.18:38
ubLIX%title https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107558/coronavirus-death-casualties-in-netherlands-belgium-luxemburg-benelux/18:45
BrainstormubLIX: From www.statista.com: • Belgium, Luxemburg, Netherlands: coronavirus deaths 2020 | Statista18:45
ubLIXspybert: as above, a number of people make the claim that Belgium's high death rate reflects " suspected cases are accounted for in the death toll, regardless of the person having been tested or not"18:46
spybertubLIX: That would explain it18:52
_abc_That is also done elsewhere. No testing of the dead. Russia too I think.19:00
BrainstormUpdates for Israel: +100 cases (now 16987) since 10 hours ago — United Kingdom: +2095 cases (now 271222), +324 deaths (now 38161) since a day ago — Dominican Rep.: +463 cases (now 16531), +3 deaths (now 488) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +874 cases (now 89386), +102 deaths (now 6979) since 15 hours ago19:06
BrainstormUpdates for Florida, US: +1208 cases (now 54493), +46 deaths (now 2410) since a day ago — Egypt: +1289 cases (now 22082), +34 deaths (now 879) since a day ago — New Jersey, US: +981 cases (now 160245), +119 deaths (now 11531) since 20 hours ago — Brazil: +4730 cases (now 443542), +135 deaths (now 26899) since 16 hours ago20:07
nixonixhttps://9to5google.com/2020/05/28/google-sodar-social-distancing-tool/20:26
nixonix%title20:26
Brainstormnixonix: From 9to5google.com: Google 'Sodar' uses AR to enforce social distancing - 9to5Google20:26
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Monkeys 'escape with COVID-19 samples' after attacking lab assistant (10277 votes) | https://redd.it/gsspt520:59
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Spain set to introduce permanent basic income scheme to rebuild economy post-coronavirus (10022 votes) | https://redd.it/gsp3ps21:05
BrainstormUpdates for Wisconsin, US: +733 cases (now 17707), +18 deaths (now 568) since 23 hours ago — New York, US: +1377 cases (now 377686), +81 deaths (now 29734) since 20 hours ago — Ohio, US: +651 cases (now 34610), +27 deaths (now 2137) since an hour ago — US: +4090 cases (now 1.8 million), +158 deaths (now 103998) since an hour ago21:07
BrainstormUpdates for Mauritania: +77 cases (now 423), +1 deaths (now 20) since a day ago — Texas, US: +85 cases (now 61182), +2 deaths (now 1627) since 18 minutes ago — Washington, US: +30 cases (now 21851), +1 deaths (now 1107) since 2 hours ago — Pennsylvania, US: +39 cases (now 75038), +2 deaths (now 5493) since 18 minutes ago21:22
RadioNut%cases world21:28
BrainstormRadioNut: In World, there have been 6.0 million confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 364756 deaths (6.1% of cases) as of 10 minutes ago. 94.9 million tests were performed (6.3% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 2.0% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 12.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data.21:28
BrainstormUpdates for Utah, US: +343 cases (now 9264), +1 deaths (now 107) since a day ago — South Carolina, US: +343 cases (now 11131), +13 deaths (now 483) since 23 hours ago — Michigan, US: +607 cases (now 56621), +34 deaths (now 5406) since 23 hours ago — US: +1448 cases (now 1.8 million), +48 deaths (now 104051) since 19 minutes ago21:37
BrainstormUpdates for South Africa: +1837 cases (now 29240), +34 deaths (now 611) since 21 hours ago — Illinois, US: +1622 cases (now 117455), +84 deaths (now 5270) since 23 hours ago — Brazil: +6203 cases (now 450079), +375 deaths (now 27276) since 48 minutes ago — World: +9792 cases (now 6.0 million), +507 deaths (now 365311) since 18 minutes ago21:52
BrainstormUpdates for Libya: +13 cases (now 118) since a day ago — Massachusetts, US: +617 cases (now 95512), +78 deaths (now 6718) since a day ago — Connecticut, US: +203 cases (now 41762), +42 deaths (now 3868) since a day ago — US: +1501 cases (now 1.8 million), +178 deaths (now 104313) since an hour ago22:52
BrainstormUpdates for Angola: +7 cases (now 81) since a day ago — North Carolina, US: +211 cases (now 26829), +24 deaths (now 919) since 34 minutes ago — Texas, US: +247 cases (now 61430), +8 deaths (now 1635) since 34 minutes ago — US: +552 cases (now 1.8 million), +35 deaths (now 104348) since 34 minutes ago23:22
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Covid-19: Two thirds of people contacted through tracing did not fully cooperate, pilot scheme finds (102 votes) | https://redd.it/gt099223:30
josechullechello23:58
josechullecgreetings from chile23:58
nixonixwell goodbye23:59

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