libera/##covid-19/ Wednesday, 2020-06-03

BrainstormUpdates for New Mexico, US: +224 cases (now 8024), +5 deaths (now 367) since 23 hours ago — Brazil: +16084 cases (now 555129), +757 deaths (now 31243) since 3 hours ago — Arkansas, US: +375 cases (now 7818), +3 deaths (now 136) since a day ago — California, US: +1530 cases (now 117702), +59 deaths (now 4354) since 48 minutes ago00:21
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BrainstormUpdates for Rwanda: +7 cases (now 384), +1 deaths (now 2) since a day ago — Washington, US: +15 cases (now 23164), +3 deaths (now 1138) since 17 minutes ago — World: +302 cases (now 6.5 million), +4 deaths (now 381810) since 17 minutes ago — US: +41 cases (now 1.9 million), +3 deaths (now 108029) since 17 minutes ago01:06
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Asymptomatic transmission of SARS‐CoV‐2 and implications for mass gatherings (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gv9oow01:10
ryouma"At this point I feel like the mask is nothing more than a gesture. I still wear one and I don't complain about being expected to, but when I and a 75 year old man are the only customers wearing masks at the local Safeway, I feel like I'm the only person there who has respect for his health."01:29
ryoumaso there is amazingly effectgive propaganda everywhere in all directions except some in usa seems tot hink lifign of lockdown means pandemic is over.01:30
ryoumais media not showing the curve?01:30
xrogaanDoes the curve sell? Not the journalist's fault, but the editor's choice.02:05
ryoumaidk if it sells or not but it is visual and an educated audience would... um, idk02:09
BrainstormUpdates for Somaliland: +27 cases (now 359) since 20 hours ago — Nebraska, US: +266 cases (now 14611), +3 deaths (now 181) since a day ago — Brazil: +1285 cases (now 556668), +35 deaths (now 31278) since an hour ago — New Hampshire, US: +64 cases (now 4749), +11 deaths (now 256) since a day ago02:21
BrainstormUpdates for Venezuela: +157 cases (now 1819), +1 deaths (now 18) since 22 hours ago — World: +158 cases (now 6.5 million), +1 deaths (now 381876) since 19 minutes ago — New York, US: +1 cases (now 381912) since an hour ago — US: +1 cases (now 1.9 million) since 19 minutes ago02:36
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: A nine-year-old Kenyan boy who made a wooden hand-washing machine to help curb the spread of coronavirus says he is "very happy" after receiving a presidential award (10378 votes) | https://redd.it/gvcnfu02:40
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Notice of Retraction: Effectiveness of Surgical and Cotton Masks in Blocking SARS-CoV-2 (84 votes) | https://redd.it/gvfji902:40
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Early CPAP reduced mortality in covid-19 patients. Audit results from Wrightington, Wigan and Leigh Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust. (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gvd7w002:59
LjLand finally03:05
LjLhttps://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.ministerodellasalute.immuni03:05
LjLItaly's contact tracing app features03:05
LjLin non-vaporware form03:05
LjLSpec, ubLIX ↑03:05
LjLthe description is in english03:06
BrainstormUpdates for Mexico: +3891 cases (now 97326), +470 deaths (now 10637) since 23 hours ago — World: +4276 cases (now 6.5 million), +479 deaths (now 382355) since 32 minutes ago — Sudan: +137 cases (now 5310), +9 deaths (now 307) since a day ago — US: +248 cases (now 1.9 million) since 32 minutes ago03:06
LjL(except only downloadable for experimentation, and THEN an official experimentation will start but ONLY in some regions, NOT including lombardy)03:08
LjLubLXI, since i assume you missed it :P03:08
LjL<LjL> and finally03:08
LjL<LjL> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.ministerodellasalute.immuni03:08
LjL<LjL> Italy's contact tracing app features03:08
LjL<LjL> in non-vaporware form03:08
ubLXIhave you installed it yet? :p03:12
LjLubLXI, i cannot. https://framapic.org/usYD4JSZDw6g/o9LsIR4EGfpX see? it says "GSF dependent"03:13
LjLby "embracing" decentralized technology and providing it themselves03:13
LjLGoogle and Apple have done so... proprietarily03:13
LjLwhile at the same time telling everybody else "you can't do it, we won't give you OS level access to BLE for it"03:13
LjLprompting every government to be like "okay, we'll scrap our plans and go with your plan then :\"03:14
ubLXIi haven't so much as stumbled upon mention of UK version recently03:18
LjLubLXI, it'll probably take your government a while to realize that they cannot do it "without" Google and Apple03:19
LjLlike six months03:19
LjLat a guess03:19
LjLmaybe they'll make smart bracelets instead03:19
LjLonce for the convicts under probation, now for you too03:19
ubLXIha03:20
ubLXIwith any luck it will go the way of a typical uk gov IT project and come in a couple of years late03:20
LjLubLXI, i believe in Korea, people entering from abroad *are* given a smart bracelet03:20
ubLXIafter half a dozen successful vaccines have been developed03:21
LjLubLXI, are you telling me that Italy was comparatively quick? this thing was supposed to be ready by the beginning of May03:21
ubLXIheard the same about korea03:21
LjLor even end of April03:21
LjLubLXI, "How much data traffic does Immuni consume? Very little. Every day, the app downloads the new cryptographic keys of SARS-CoV-2-positive users' devices. It does this to check if you have been exposed to them, and it notifies you if required. You can expect this to consume up to a few megabytes of your data allowance every day—roughly similar to loading one page of a site with a few photos."03:24
LjLi know people living in faraway places who would basically have no internet left for themselves03:25
ubLXIhmm03:26
LjLSpec, https://github.com/immuni-app/immuni-documentation/blob/master/Traffic%20Analysis%20Mitigation.md look at them acting smart03:26
ubLXIwonder how that might work for the bluetooth bracelet version. i mean, will the citizen have to obtain one and a data contract at their own expense before being allowed out of their house03:27
LjLuploading dummy data to make it impossible to know whether you've been exposed based on packet length etc03:27
LjLubLXI, i don't think there *is* any bracelet version except in Korea and there only for foreigners03:27
LjLso... unknown?03:27
dividediff[m]why haven't american covid rates increased due to protests so far? It's been 7 days i think03:54
ryoumadid you check the states with the most protests?04:07
xrogaanI've read that some people may be impervious to that disease. Something about cross immunity. The article I read don't cite direct sources, just a general direction.04:13
xrogaanI believe they refer to this study: https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)30610-304:15
LjLdividediff[m], why haven't italian covid rates increased due to almost complete ease of lockdown? it's been... one month04:16
xrogaan> Importantly, we detected SARS-CoV-2-reactive CD4+ T cells in ∼40%–60% of unexposed individuals, suggesting cross-reactive T cell recognition between circulating “common cold” coronaviruses and SARS-CoV-2.04:16
LjL40-60%? that's higher than i remember reading04:17
LjLthat'd be close to actual herd immunity levels, start of at least04:17
ryoumais there such a thing as conferring t cell recognition?04:18
BrainstormUpdates for Bolivia: +460 cases (now 10991), +33 deaths (now 376) since a day ago — Peru: +4845 cases (now 174884), +133 deaths (now 4767) since a day ago — Panama: +258 cases (now 14095), +8 deaths (now 352) since a day ago — Brazil: +1569 cases (now 558237), +31 deaths (now 31309) since 2 hours ago04:22
dividediff[m]LjL: wait... really? don't tell me covid really is a conspiracy!04:27
LjLdividediff[m], no, there are a number of possible reasons for this, xrogaan mentioned one that is interesting04:29
LjLbut there is also sunlight, temperature, masks, social distancing04:29
LjLany or all of these factors could play a role04:29
LjLif it's mostly because of cross-immunity, that's good news because it doesn't automatically mean a plunge into a second wave in autumn04:29
xrogaanoh yeah, sunlight give off UV. What do you think we use to sterilize rooms?04:30
dividediff[m]LjL: i did not understand xrogaan , too complicated for me! eli5?04:31
xrogaanLot less potent with more UV, as it spread less easily on surfaces.04:31
xrogaandividediff[m]: if your immune system has been exposed to other kind of coronaviruses, like the common cold, it may be able to recognize sars-cov-2.04:32
xrogaanIt's a dumbed down version, so don't go out repeating it okay? :)04:33
xrogaan'cause it's not entirely correct.04:33
dividediff[m]xrogaan: why was the first wave so bad? 04:34
xrogaanYou know, are you able to tell whether a shit comes from a cat or dog just by the smell? Could be able to, not sure.04:34
xrogaandividediff[m]: first wave, starting when?04:35
dividediff[m]xrogaan: lets say italy. First wave hit they had all those crazy cases in lombard. Why aren't there cases now? Did a common cold pass thrue there recently?04:35
LjLdividediff[m], IF cross-immunity is at play here, and the main factor, then we're witnessing the reaching of herd immunity04:36
LjL%wik herd immunity04:36
BrainstormLjL, from English Wikipedia: Herd immunity (also called herd effect, community immunity, population immunity, or social immunity) is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a large percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections, thereby [... want %more?] → https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity04:36
xrogaanUnderstand that we talk about potential, not 100% certainties. Immune systems vary from one individual to the other. Spread of the virus, how easily it jumps from one individual to the other, is also a factor.04:37
xrogaanSo you have the environment, weather, temperature, how healthy the population is, etc...04:37
LjLdividediff[m], when you have more than a certain percentage of people infected, the infection will progress less quickly, simply because it'll find fewer uninfected hosts to transmit it04:37
LjLdividediff[m], we're normally have expected this to happen much, much later in the course of this epidemic04:38
LjLbut if we "hadn't counted" that 40-60% of people are *already* immune due to being immune to other coronaviruses, well04:38
LjLthat changes the calculations drastically04:38
xrogaanThey talked a lot about co-morbidity, being old and frail definitively increase the chances of total system failure.04:38
LjLbut as i said that's only one of the possibilities, it's not really clear yet04:38
dividediff[m]wow04:39
LjLxrogaan, well, that explains (dryly) a "those who could die from it have mostly already died" possibility, but it doesn't per se explain why the number of *cases* isn't soaring anymore04:39
dividediff[m]this feels like the friends meme where rachel is walking joey thru something, joey (me) doesn't get and starts running thru the streets announcing covid is over04:39
dividediff[m]not gonna actually run thrue the streets but i kinda feel like it04:40
dividediff[m]btw if anyone has mastodon add me @haland@mstdn.social 04:40
xrogaanLjL: well, how many get tested?04:41
LjLmore than ever.04:41
ryoumawhat kind of confidence can we have in us data now?  is it being filtered through us gov?  are sources being pressured?04:41
xrogaanyeah, there are reports that expose doctoring of numbers.04:42
LjLxrogaan, there is a clear weekly pattern, but you can see here that last week, at the peak, we tested most people than ever before in one day https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/en/#box_604:42
ryoumaat state or federal level04:42
LjLthen again, Wuhan just tested 10 million people in 10 days04:42
LjLnot quite the same thing04:42
LjLbut still, many more people than we were able to test at the beginning when cases were spiking bad04:42
BrainstormUpdates for Pakistan: +4065 cases (now 80463), +67 deaths (now 1688) since 23 hours ago — Ontario, Canada: +414 cases (now 30259), +22 deaths (now 2375) since a day ago — Quebec, Canada: +239 cases (now 51593), +52 deaths (now 4713) since a day ago — Honduras: +165 cases (now 5527), +8 deaths (now 225) since a day ago05:52
BrainstormUpdates for Haiti: +281 cases (now 2507), +3 deaths (now 48) since a day ago — Bulgaria: +22 cases (now 2560), +2 deaths (now 146) since 23 hours ago — World: +737 cases (now 6.5 million), +5 deaths (now 382665) since 2 hours ago — India: +424 cases (now 207615) since 5 hours ago08:07
_abc_I am incredulously reading news headlines in .ro here: On January 6th the .ro Embassy in Beijing sent a notification concerning what is now called Covid-19 to the ministery. The next one came on Jan. 25th and after that, DAILY. The government did not react publically until March when the first measures started. There is a detailed page on ro.wikipedia.org I am referencing. Was this also true in other 09:06
_abc_countries? I assume all EU member country Embassies in Beijing got the same memos and forwarded them to their governments in the exact (?) same time-frame?09:06
_abc_During this whole time Wuhan was open for business, the aiport in particular was open for international flights, while the internal isolation of Wuhan had already started, with traffic blocked to other provinces of .cn, in and out.09:07
_abc_I mean January-February at least?09:07
BrainstormUpdates for Armenia: +515 cases (now 10524), +12 deaths (now 170) since a day ago — World: +595 cases (now 6.5 million), +17 deaths (now 382682) since an hour ago — Hungary: +10 cases (now 3931), +2 deaths (now 534) since a day ago — Israel: +57 cases (now 17342) since 12 hours ago09:08
_abc_1st death in Italy (Lombardy) was on Feb. 22nd09:09
_abc_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_February_2020 this is effing scary. So there was a full blown epidemic in China and flights were continuing to the world from there?! Really? What does it take for "leaders" to prioritize life of the whole planet's population vs "business interests"? Their own funeral perhaps? You know, that can be arranged if needed.09:11
_abc_There will be major changes after this, no doubt.09:11
_abc_WHO must become a diplomats-only organization, disconnected from tactical real-time epidemiological teams in all nations, communicating with each others about numbers and not about "diplomatic issues" in health care.09:12
_abc_Teams with direct red phone to their respective interior ministries and the ability to issue a direct request to close down borders and stop flights from and to one country to the whole world.09:13
_abc_And connected internationally by similar red phones and with annual (at least!) drills on how things must work. And NO DIPLOMATS IN THE CIRCUIT, especially no WHO ones, past or present.09:14
_abc_This is technical. Numbers. Degrees Celsius, number of incapacitated or sick, nature of disease as is (no guessing and pussyfooting "we think it's not transmissible").09:15
_abc_Countries not participating in the scheme will be quarantined by the participants, all citizens travelling from those countries, automatic quarantine 40 days on return, all goods shipped from non participants, quarantined and taxed for storage over that time.09:16
_abc_40 days because there is no way to know how long the incubation period of whatever comes up next will be, and because there is a precedent. The one which gave the name to quarantine.09:16
_abc_[critique (constructive) welcome] I am really curious how the WHO will be shaken up after this, clearly it can't go on as is, a dog with no teeth. Diplomacy must be disjoint from gunboat diplomacy by design.09:20
_abc_Also by Feb 1st human to human transmission was a certainty outside China, in .sg .vn South Korea, .es, USA (!), .au , see link above. Why did it take ONE MONTH for measures to be taken? 09:22
_abc_So adding up the math again: 1st embassy warnings went out from Beijing to all (?) countries Jan 6th, after Jan 25th daily, Feb 1st had human to human transmission cases confirmed ad nauseam outside China, and THEN it took ONE MONTH for real measures limiting international traffic to be implemented and full lockdown many places with it?09:24
_abc_SERIOUSLY? Sloths could have done better while asleep.09:24
_abc_Also this is good news, no second peak that we can see. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2020_coronavirus_patients_in_China.svg09:28
_abc_WHO declared the global epidemic on MARCH 11th under the conditions above. So that needs a LOT of explaining.09:34
BrainstormUpdates for Afghanistan: +758 cases (now 17267), +24 deaths (now 294) since 7 hours ago — World: +1327 cases (now 6.5 million), +24 deaths (now 382706) since 38 minutes ago — Singapore: +569 cases (now 36405) since 22 hours ago09:38
_abc_When are people awake on here? :)09:39
ryoumawestern europe time mostly probably09:40
ryoumaand us09:40
_abc_Western Europe time is about the same as Eastern E. where I am. Not a peep. At least you are alive.09:41
BrainstormUpdates for Kyrgyzstan: +26 cases (now 1871), +3 deaths (now 20) since a day ago — Russia: +8536 cases (now 432277), +178 deaths (now 5215) since 23 hours ago — World: +9222 cases (now 6.5 million), +186 deaths (now 382892) since 42 minutes ago — India: +637 cases (now 208252), +4 deaths (now 5833) since 2 hours ago10:08
_abc_Seriously, reporting quakes in Chile on ##covid-19 ? It's already very noisy with reports on covid everyone can read online elsewhere with nice graphs10:09
_abc_I recommend https://www.emsc-csem.org for quakes in Europe and world wide.10:10
_abc_Plastic-less PPE visor using compostable materials https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8380879/Worlds-plastic-free-PPE-composted-garden.html10:10
_abc_Tbh Cellophane would be a valid alternate, also biodecomposable, and no need to reinvent it.10:11
_abc_I think that is Cellophane, they just "reinvented" it with another name10:12
_abc_Also, no reason to make the "bandanna" paper, can also be cellophane.10:21
Urchin_abc_: earthquakes complicate the self-isolation required to limit the spread of virus10:49
_abc_Last time I looked quakes of the serious nature very much isolated remote areas completely. If that's what you mean.11:09
_abc_Anyway I live in quake county here in .ro, less than 100km from a seismic area which priduces 7.4 Richter scale events every 20-30 years.11:09
_abc_Last one was 4.4 yesterday. I am STILL not interested in quake noise on a covid channel anyway.11:10
BrainstormUpdates for Central African Rep.: +104 cases (now 1173) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +2695 cases (now 55140), +37 deaths (now 746) since a day ago — Philippines: +751 cases (now 19748), +8 deaths (now 974) since a day ago — World: +4749 cases (now 6.5 million), +92 deaths (now 382984) since an hour ago11:23
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BrainstormUpdates for Beni, Bolivia: +1828 cases (now 1885), +91 deaths (now 92) since a month ago — Moscow City, Russia: +21461 cases (now 185374), +631 deaths (now 2624) since 9 days ago — Cortes, Honduras: +1679 cases (now 3393), +48 deaths (now 166) since 9 days ago — Cochabamba, Bolivia: +636 cases (now 714), +28 deaths (now 34) since a month ago12:53
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: A mysterious company’s coronavirus papers in top medical journals may be unraveling (82 votes) | https://redd.it/gvpy3113:05
BrainstormUpdates for North Macedonia: +101 cases (now 2492), +4 deaths (now 145) since 16 hours ago — Tripura, India: +49 cases (now 520) since 18 minutes ago — Nograd, Hungary: +4 cases (now 47) since 18 minutes ago — Madagascar: +63 cases (now 908) since 20 hours ago13:08
BrainstormUpdates for Nepal: +201 cases (now 2300), +1 deaths (now 9) since a day ago — World: +225 cases (now 6.5 million), +2 deaths (now 383098) since 28 minutes ago — Finland: +24 cases (now 6911) since 22 hours ago — Dem. Rep. Congo: +42 cases (now 3368) since a day ago13:23
BrainstormUpdates for Ethiopia: +142 cases (now 1486), +3 deaths (now 17) since a day ago — Sierra Leone: +13 cases (now 909), +1 deaths (now 47) since 22 hours ago — World: +335 cases (now 6.5 million), +4 deaths (now 383102) since 38 minutes ago — Lebanon: +14 cases (now 1256) since a day ago13:54
BrainstormUpdates for Sweden: +2214 cases (now 40803), +74 deaths (now 4542) since a day ago — Santo Domingo, Dominican Rep.: +887 cases (now 3698), +7 deaths (now 71) since 9 days ago — La Vega, Dominican Rep.: +73 cases (now 858), +4 deaths (now 27) since 9 days ago — Santiago, Dominican Rep.: +108 cases (now 1352), +4 deaths (now 71) since 9 days ago14:09
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Scientists, physicians question research on hydroxychloroquine - A group consisting of 140 scientists and physicians has spoken out against a study published in The Lancet that found an association between the use of the drug hydroxychloroquine and a higher death rate among COVID-19 patients. (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gvp0wn14:42
MBip[m]Would it be possible for CoronaBot to grab the original link out of the reddit page?  Almost always the original is of much higher quality - and it could still provide the Reddit link too, if people want it.14:58
MBip[m] * Would it be possible for CoronaBot to grab the original link out of the Reddit page?  Almost always the original is of much higher quality - and it could still provide the Reddit link too, if people want it.14:58
sYN4P515MBip[m] thanks for suggestion, i will implement it soon15:03
BrainstormUpdates for Stockholm, Sweden: +1544 cases (now 13877), +18 deaths (now 2099) since 2 hours ago — Blekinge, Sweden: +18 cases (now 236) since 2 hours ago — Vaestra Goetaland, Sweden: +230 cases (now 6414), +26 deaths (now 579) since 2 hours ago — Halland, Sweden: +30 cases (now 833), +3 deaths (now 56) since 2 hours ago15:09
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Oklahoma State linebacker says he tested positive for Covid-19 after attending protest (10228 votes) | https://redd.it/gvmd7o15:30
BrainstormUpdates for Haryana, India: +189 cases (now 2841) since 3 hours ago — Virginia, US: +666 cases (now 46905), +21 deaths (now 1428) since a day ago — Puerto Rico: +88 cases (now 4023), +2 deaths (now 140) since 21 hours ago — US: +666 cases (now 1.9 million), +21 deaths (now 108104) since 53 minutes ago15:54
BrainstormUpdates for Karelia, Russia: +43 cases (now 496), +1 deaths (now 2) since 3 hours ago — St Petersburg City, Russia: +380 cases (now 17069), +17 deaths (now 240) since 3 hours ago — Vladimir, Russia: +56 cases (now 2853), +3 deaths (now 27) since 3 hours ago — Tver, Russia: +36 cases (now 1736), +5 deaths (now 33) since 3 hours ago16:24
BrainstormUpdates for Florida, US: +1317 cases (now 58764), +35 deaths (now 2566) since 19 hours ago — Karnataka, India: +267 cases (now 4063), +1 deaths (now 53) since 4 hours ago — Maryland, US: +807 cases (now 54982), +44 deaths (now 2641) since a day ago — Moldova: +247 cases (now 8795), +1 deaths (now 310) since 5 hours ago16:54
BrainstormUpdates for Azerbaijan: +325 cases (now 6260), +5 deaths (now 76) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +1871 cases (now 279856), +359 deaths (now 39728) since 20 hours ago — Gujarat, India: +485 cases (now 18117), +30 deaths (now 1122) since 4 hours ago — Buenos Aires, Argentina: +371 cases (now 8851), +4 deaths (now 197) since 4 hours ago17:24
BrainstormUpdates for Iraq: +781 cases (now 8168), +21 deaths (now 256) since a day ago — Goa, India: +47 cases (now 126) since 5 hours ago — Maharashtra, India: +2560 cases (now 74860), +122 deaths (now 2587) since 5 hours ago — Tamil Nadu, India: +1286 cases (now 25872), +8 deaths (now 208) since 5 hours ago17:54
danielp3344!cases MD17:55
CovBotIn Camden, United Kingdom there have been a total of 628 cases as of 2020-06-02 18:00:00 UTC.17:55
danielp3344!cases maryland17:55
CovBotIn Maryland, United States there have been a total of 54,982 cases as of 2020-06-03 15:29:00 UTC. Of these 52,341 (95.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 0 (0.0%) have definitely recovered and 2,641 (4.8%) have died.17:55
danielp3344!cases NC17:55
CovBotIn New Caledonia there have been a total of 20 cases as of 2020-06-03 15:29:00 UTC. Of these 2 (10.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 18 (90.0%) have definitely recovered and 0 (0.0%) have died.17:55
danielp3344!cases North Carolina17:55
CovBotIn North Carolina, United States there have been a total of 30,419 cases as of 2020-06-03 15:29:00 UTC. Of these 29,450 (96.8%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 0 (0.0%) have definitely recovered and 969 (3.2%) have died.17:55
BrainstormUpdates for Lesotho: +2 cases (now 4) since 11 days ago — Indiana, US: +475 cases (now 35712), +10 deaths (now 2207) since 23 hours ago — Rhode Island, US: +124 cases (now 15236), +10 deaths (now 742) since a day ago — US: +601 cases (now 1.9 million), +22 deaths (now 108218) since 22 minutes ago18:09
BrainstormUpdates for Delhi, India: +1513 cases (now 23645), +59 deaths (now 615) since 6 hours ago — Chile: +4942 cases (now 113628), +87 deaths (now 1275) since 21 hours ago — Manipur, India: +13 cases (now 108) since 49 minutes ago — Arizona, US: +973 cases (now 22223), +40 deaths (now 981) since a day ago18:54
BrainstormUpdates for Kazakhstan: +4 deaths (now 48) since 13 hours ago — New York, US: +912 cases (now 382824), +56 deaths (now 30134) since 16 hours ago — Louisiana, US: +385 cases (now 41133), +36 deaths (now 2875) since 22 hours ago — Pennsylvania, US: +342 cases (now 77662), +59 deaths (now 5756) since 20 minutes ago19:10
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: An alpaca nanobody neutralizes SARS-CoV-2 by blocking receptor interaction (81 votes) | https://redd.it/gvpdpk19:14
eisenheixmanyone think there can be a second wave in europe ?20:10
LjLi dare say *everything* thinks there *could* be a second wave20:18
LjLit would be rather foolish to rule it out entirely20:18
BrainstormUpdates for Arunachal Pradesh, India: +9 cases (now 38) since 3 hours ago — Ohio, US: +392 cases (now 36792), +32 deaths (now 2299) since an hour ago — Turkey: +867 cases (now 166422), +24 deaths (now 4609) since 23 hours ago — US: +781 cases (now 1.9 million), +34 deaths (now 108599) since an hour ago20:20
Urchin%data croatia20:20
BrainstormUrchin: In Croatia, there have been 2246 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 103 deaths (4.6% of cases) as of 4 days ago. 66695 tests were performed (3.4% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Croatia for time series data.20:20
Urchinsomething like 12 days to extinction of the virus here20:22
nixonixcases increasing should be noticed, like from reopening bars etc, and then adjusted accordingly. unless testing and infection chain tracking is reduced. there are still officials and politicians in certain countries that dont want new infection numbers to get "too low", because they believe in high share of mild and asymptomatic cases and idea of herd immunity20:24
LjLUrchin, the graph shows you've also basically stopped testing, though20:24
nixonix.. to develop from infections, and protect from later waves20:24
nixonixhttps://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-coronav20:25
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Brainstormnixonix, the URL could not be loaded 20:25
nixonixtry again20:25
LjLnixonix, i think there is something that is making infections taper off regardless of measures taken, at least in the northern hemisphere. i don't know if it's due to social distancing, sunlight, temperature, or this new finding of cross-immunity meaning we could already be approaching herd immunity in harder hit places20:25
LjLnixonix, it's actually a 40420:26
nixonixhttps://www.jpost.com/health-science/could-coronavirus-re-infection-be-possible-within-six-months-62957520:26
nixonix%title20:26
Brainstormnixonix: From www.jpost.com: COVID-19 immunity lasts only six months, reinfection possible - study - The Jerusalem Post20:26
nixonixyeah i grepped logs in small terminal window20:26
LjLHowever, “serology-based tests that measure previous infections for SARS-CoV-2 may have limited use if that infection has occurred more than one year prior to sampling,” the Amsterdam researchers explained.20:27
LjLwhy? if you have enough antibodies, you should be immune. if you don't have enough antibodies, the test will show it.20:27
LjLyuriwho, "Moreover, if the study is correct, then a seasonal rather than one-time vaccine may be necessary to circumvent ongoing transmission."20:28
LjLbut what with the T cells and CD4+ and everything being developed20:29
LjLnot being developed, being found20:29
nixonixdepends if they test for neutralising antibodies or just binding antibodies that recognize the virus but dont do anything useful. they might wear off different pace20:29
nixonixalso whats the share of humoral and cellular immune responses in getting rid of the virus. they seem to wear off differently (antibodies faster probably)20:30
nixonixpreprint https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.11.20086439v1.article-info20:33
nixonix%title20:34
Brainstormnixonix: From www.medrxiv.org: Human coronavirus reinfection dynamics: lessons for SARS-CoV-2 | medRxiv20:34
Jigsy%cases UK20:42
BrainstormJigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 279856 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 39728 deaths (14.2% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 5.4 million tests were performed (5.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.20:42
nixonixcan you test for (part of) nucleocapsid protein afterwards, at the time after the symptoms, when PCR shows negative and IgG is tested?20:47
nixonixnucleic* capsid20:47
nixonixwell it seems both terms are used..20:48
nixonixso my guess is you can, that it should be find for awhile as virus fragments. but how long after the infection?20:49
BrainstormUpdates for Chhattisgarh, India: +62 cases (now 626) since 8 hours ago — United Arab Emirates: +571 cases (now 36359), +1 deaths (now 270) since a day ago — Spain: +394 cases (now 287406), +1 deaths (now 27128) since 23 hours ago — World: +1173 cases (now 6.6 million), +85 deaths (now 384913) since 31 minutes ago20:50
LjLnixonix, over my head, but isn't that roughly what Korea claimed has happened with their "positive again" tests? that it was viral fragments being slowly expelled by the body?20:53
BrainstormUpdates for Santiago, Chile: +6952 cases (now 92191), +137 deaths (now 961) since 8 hours ago — Valparaiso, Chile: +421 cases (now 3769), +7 deaths (now 77) since 8 hours ago — Maule, Chile: +254 cases (now 1595), +2 deaths (now 19) since 8 hours ago — O'Higgins, Chile: +118 cases (now 1636), +2 deaths (now 34) since 8 hours ago21:05
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BrainstormUpdates for Yemen: +20 cases (now 419), +8 deaths (now 95) since 22 hours ago — Rwanda: +13 cases (now 397) since 20 hours ago — Georgia (US), US: +687 cases (now 48894), +21 deaths (now 2123) since 23 hours ago — South Africa: +1713 cases (now 37525), +37 deaths (now 792) since 23 hours ago21:35
BrainstormUpdates for Santiago, Chile: +6952 cases (now 92191), +137 deaths (now 961) since 15 minutes ago — Valparaiso, Chile: +421 cases (now 3769), +7 deaths (now 77) since 15 minutes ago — Maule, Chile: +254 cases (now 1595), +2 deaths (now 19) since 15 minutes ago — O'Higgins, Chile: +118 cases (now 1636), +2 deaths (now 34) since 15 minutes ago21:50
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ryoumahas there been any discussion of angioedema and covid-19, either direction?22:28
BrainstormUpdates for Tripura, India: +53 cases (now 573) since 10 hours ago — Peru: +4030 cases (now 178914), +127 deaths (now 4894) since 18 hours ago — Utah, US: +295 cases (now 10497), +4 deaths (now 117) since a day ago — Massachusetts, US: +429 cases (now 101592), +67 deaths (now 7152) since a day ago23:05
BrainstormUpdates for Limon, Costa Rica: +13 cases (now 35) since 11 hours ago — Guanacaste, Costa Rica: +9 cases (now 97) since 11 hours ago — North Carolina, US: +233 cases (now 31221), +19 deaths (now 999) since 4 hours ago — US: +1152 cases (now 1.9 million), +55 deaths (now 108989) since 46 minutes ago23:50

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