| Brainstorm | Updates for Libya: +14 cases (now 196) since a day ago — Brazil: +16676 cases (now 577413), +700 deaths (now 32117) since 5 hours ago — World: +17799 cases (now 6.6 million), +759 deaths (now 386300) since 33 minutes ago — Colorado, US: +272 cases (now 27060), +20 deaths (now 1494) since a day ago | 00:20 |
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| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: University of Minnesota Trial Shows Hydroxychloroquine Has No Benefit Over Placebo in Preventing COVID-19 Following Exposure (102 votes) | https://redd.it/gw283s | 00:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Suriname: +19 cases (now 74) since an hour ago — Colombia: +1521 cases (now 33354), +31 deaths (now 1045) since 18 hours ago — California, US: +148 cases (now 118944), +1 deaths (now 4375) since 48 minutes ago — US: +402 cases (now 1.9 million), +5 deaths (now 109051) since 16 minutes ago | 00:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +949 cases (now 19268), +13 deaths (now 583) since 8 hours ago — World: +1160 cases (now 6.6 million), +13 deaths (now 386349) since 17 minutes ago — Iowa, US: +126 cases (now 20272) since 17 minutes ago — US: +186 cases (now 1.9 million) since 17 minutes ago | 00:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zimbabwe: +16 cases (now 222) since a day ago — California, US: +1111 cases (now 120055), +46 deaths (now 4421) since 32 minutes ago — US: +1233 cases (now 1.9 million), +51 deaths (now 109102) since 16 minutes ago — Nigeria: +343 cases (now 11162), +1 deaths (now 315) since a day ago | 01:06 |
| LjL | "Couples should wear face masks during sex, new study insists" ← NY Post. Seriously? | 01:16 |
| danielp3344 | o.0 | 01:16 |
| ryouma | so they are exposed a lot more then than they are normally living together? | 01:23 |
| LjL | it's about hookups | 01:23 |
| LjL | "The safest approach to sexual activity, according to the researchers, is not having any. Abstinence, they say, is “low risk for infection, though not feasible for many.” Another option, they add, is masturbation." | 01:23 |
| bin_bash | lol | 01:26 |
| ryouma | not feasible? | 01:27 |
| bin_bash | for sex addicts, I presume | 01:29 |
| LjL | what they mean is that many people won't heed that advice no matter how it's given | 01:31 |
| LjL | and i don't think all of those many people are going to be classified as sex addicts by a psychiatrist | 01:32 |
| ryouma | they will diagnose as many as their practices fit | 01:33 |
| ryouma | it's a subjective field. they used to say higher fees improve outcomes.... | 01:34 |
| LjL | before COVID, i'd only ever heard of "sexting" in a bit of a derogatory way. now it's a great thing... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVGKqoSWAAEW96I?format=jpg&name=900x900 | 01:34 |
| ketas | i had a great sext tonight? | 01:35 |
| EricGrahamMacEac | #cases Canada | 01:36 |
| EricGrahamMacEac | !cases Canada | 01:36 |
| CovBot | In Canada there have been a total of 93,063 cases as of 2020-06-03 23:34:00 UTC. Of these 34,532 (37.1%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 51,034 (54.8%) have definitely recovered and 7,497 (8.1%) have died. | 01:37 |
| EricGrahamMacEac | !cases USA | 01:37 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 1,901,493 cases as of 2020-06-03 23:34:00 UTC. Of these 1,107,538 (58.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 684,828 (36.0%) have definitely recovered and 109,127 (5.7%) have died. | 01:37 |
| EricGrahamMacEac | Who wrote CoronaBot? | 01:39 |
| ketas | somehow i haven't washed hands much, coughed "right", bought sanitizers, masks or gloves, nor extra tp (got spare 8-roll pack somewhere in feb, still unopened) | 01:40 |
| ketas | LjL: that nice howto is compiled by someone who never does anything mentioned there | 01:44 |
| ketas | :P | 01:44 |
| LjL | wasn't me! | 01:46 |
| ytlyv97 | the source of the virus | 01:46 |
| hirogen | is there a channel on US riots? | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Panama: +514 cases (now 14609), +5 deaths (now 357) since 22 hours ago — Brazil: +6567 cases (now 583980), +430 deaths (now 32547) since 2 hours ago — Nebraska, US: +255 cases (now 14866), +8 deaths (now 189) since a day ago — Ecuador: +552 cases (now 40966), +48 deaths (now 3486) since a day ago | 02:21 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: A mother of four died after coronavirus spread through her 911 dispatch center. Her mom died, also. Emergency 911 operators are some of the invisible first responders who couldn't sit home in self isolation when COVID-19 began to spread. Let's not forget them. Nikima Thompson, age 41. (10260 votes) | https://redd.it/gw2vjw | 02:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +3912 cases (now 101238), +1091 deaths (now 11728) since 23 hours ago — World: +3976 cases (now 6.6 million), +1094 deaths (now 388018) since 17 minutes ago — US: +62 cases (now 1.9 million), +2 deaths (now 109142) since 17 minutes ago — Jamaica: +1 cases (now 591), +1 deaths (now 10) since 22 hours ago | 02:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for S. Sudan: +162 cases (now 1156) since 6 days ago — Brazil: +582 cases (now 584562), +21 deaths (now 32568) since 32 minutes ago — World: +582 cases (now 6.6 million), +21 deaths (now 388039) since 19 minutes ago — Dem. Rep. Congo: +43 cases (now 3495), +1 deaths (now 75) since 2 hours ago | 02:51 |
| Spec | LjL: fancy fancy | 03:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Venezuela: +133 cases (now 1952), +2 deaths (now 20) since a day ago — Honduras: +163 cases (now 5690), +9 deaths (now 234) since 22 hours ago — World: +335 cases (now 6.6 million), +14 deaths (now 388053) since an hour ago — South Korea: +20 cases (now 11610) since 23 hours ago | 03:51 |
| LjL | Spec, except i believe that's like... to stop my ISP from knowing information that they are sending to themselves, i.e. the government ;( | 03:52 |
| LjL | Spec, i don't actually believe they are not letting themselves know who is a contact of a positive | 03:52 |
| LjL | there is hairy stuff about what analytics are or are not | 03:52 |
| LjL | it's easy for them to say "it's anonymous because uhm, you know, at WORST we get to see your IP" | 03:52 |
| LjL | as if my IP wasn't pretty identifying | 03:52 |
| LjL | basically Google and Apple have made the worst thing possible, excuse my consistent pessimism | 03:53 |
| LjL | i.e. they've taken a potentially privacy-preserving mechanism | 03:53 |
| LjL | but implemented it as a proprietary thing, so we have to trust them to make it so | 03:53 |
| LjL | and then exposed that as an API, but for governments only | 03:53 |
| LjL | so that governments may add further shit (although Google and Apple set a few rules, such as that these apps can't use GPS) | 03:54 |
| bin_bash | yeah it's fucked up | 03:54 |
| LjL | and you know what's ridiculous? people on the Google Play reviews are complaining that... it uses GPS! | 03:54 |
| LjL | which it doesn't | 03:54 |
| LjL | however, like every Android app that uses Bluetooth, it does ask you for "permission to know your location" | 03:54 |
| LjL | because that's what recent versions of Android do for letting apps use Bluetooth | 03:54 |
| LjL | recognizing that Bluetooth beacons are an obvious source of location information | 03:55 |
| LjL | still, not GPS is being used, so this is a good example of how the permissions system breaks down for actual users | 03:55 |
| bin_bash | yeah | 03:55 |
| Spec | LjL: so they are tracking people with them blueteeths? | 04:01 |
| LjL | Spec, i don't know what they are doing, the app is technically open source, but... what do i do after i've looked at the source? i can't build it myself and use my build, because that obviously wouldn't have all the signatures google requires of governments ;P | 04:03 |
| LjL | so i can only use their build, and somehow assume it contains the same stuff as their source says it does | 04:03 |
| LjL | and to be fair it's not like i've read the source, either, i'm just having suspicions based on their documentation alone | 04:03 |
| LjL | Spec, https://github.com/immuni-app/immuni-documentation#analytics | 04:04 |
| LjL | Spec, based on that what do you think *is* being collected? | 04:04 |
| Spec | ah | 04:05 |
| LjL | i mean, they do collect "Epidemiological information" that are "important for the National Healthcare Service’s effective management of the system, including maximising the effectiveness of the exposure notifications and providing optimal healthcare assistance to users" | 04:05 |
| LjL | what the hell are epidemiological information, if not whether or not i'm a case's contact :P | 04:05 |
| LjL | Spec, i mean, it's just really not clear from the documentation, i'm not saying they definitely *are* collecting my identity. but they should make a clear distinction between the exposure IDs that are supposedly anonymous, and any other actual "analytics" they're running | 04:06 |
| LjL | Spec, "In addition to the above, some data on device activity and exposure notifications may be collected and uploaded. These data include: [...] Whether the user was notified of a risky exposure after the last exposure detection (i.e., after the app has downloaded new temporary exposure keys from the server and detected if the user has been exposed to SARS-CoV-2-positive users)" | 04:08 |
| LjL | how on earth is this not "if i get a notification that i may have met someone positive, the government also gets it from me" | 04:08 |
| LjL | "To protect user privacy, the data are uploaded without leveraging a user identifier or device identifier, and without requiring the user to authenticate in any way (e.g., no phone number or email verification)" | 04:08 |
| LjL | yeah thanks, you have my IP anyway, come on | 04:08 |
| LjL | also, the very last paragraph | 04:10 |
| Spec | it does seem doubtful that they couldn't correlate | 04:10 |
| LjL | where it says "We devised a promising solution that we expect to work for a significant portion of devices. Documentation and development are underway." | 04:10 |
| LjL | we devised a solution to avoid having a unique ID | 04:10 |
| LjL | but there is not enough space in this margin to write it | 04:10 |
| LjL | </Fermat> | 04:10 |
| LjL | Spec, if mobile operators cooperate, they could correlate trivially. do they cooperate? well, they already cooperated! Lombardy obtained mobility information of the population based on cell tower data | 04:11 |
| LjL | usually you'd need a warrant for that kind of stuff, but you knooooooow, it's an emergency | 04:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guatemala: +174 cases (now 5760), +20 deaths (now 143) since a day ago — Bolivia: +647 cases (now 11638), +24 deaths (now 400) since a day ago — World: +846 cases (now 6.6 million), +44 deaths (now 388097) since 35 minutes ago — Sri Lanka: +14 cases (now 1749) since 8 hours ago | 04:21 |
| ap4lmtree- | the vaccine might come out in nov or dec with 100 mil dosages https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2020/06/02/fauci-modernas-phase-3-covid-19-vaccine-trial-will-include-30000-young-and-old-individuals/#39e259b04f75 | 04:43 |
| ryouma | what is the significance of the dosages? | 04:58 |
| ryouma | what about disease populations? e.g. primary immune, immune dysfucntions, hiv, etc? | 04:59 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 05:02 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 279856 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 39728 deaths (14.2% of cases) as of 11 hours ago. 4.8 million tests were performed (5.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 05:02 |
| Jigsy | >Business secretary tested for Covid-19 after feeling ill during Commons speech | 05:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Central Kalimantan, Indonesia: +28 cases (now 456), +4 deaths (now 24) since 16 hours ago — Bangka Belitung, Indonesia: +12 cases (now 62) since 16 hours ago — Gorontalo, Indonesia: +10 cases (now 118) since 16 hours ago — Kosovo: +78 cases (now 1142) since 4 days ago | 05:06 |
| sYN4P515 | EricGrahamMacEac it was me | 05:22 |
| ryouma | %data az | 05:40 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In Arizona, US, there have been 22223 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 981 deaths (4.4% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 345044 tests were performed (6.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 05:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Pakistan: +4801 cases (now 85264), +82 deaths (now 1770) since a day ago — World: +5030 cases (now 6.6 million), +84 deaths (now 388208) since 46 minutes ago — Haiti: +133 cases (now 2640), +2 deaths (now 50) since 21 hours ago — India: +95 cases (now 216919) since 5 hours ago | 05:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Stockholm, Sweden: +1728 cases (now 13877), +44 deaths (now 2099) since 16 minutes ago — Ryazan, Russia: +775 cases (now 3733), +2 deaths (now 9) since 16 minutes ago — Cochabamba, Bolivia: +295 cases (now 714), +15 deaths (now 34) since 16 minutes ago — Irkutsk, Russia: +559 cases (now 2309), +3 deaths (now 14) since 16 minutes ago | 06:07 |
| EricGrahamMacEac | sYN4P515: Could you please write one for the AdviceAnimals room? | 06:12 |
| ryouma | AdviceAnimals? | 06:17 |
| EricGrahamMacEac | Yes. daviddiff made it. | 06:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +37159 cases (now 188836) since an hour ago — World: +37159 cases (now 6.6 million) since 36 minutes ago | 06:22 |
| ryouma | oh some matrix thing | 06:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Stockholm, Sweden: +1728 cases (now 13877), +44 deaths (now 2099) since 32 minutes ago — Ryazan, Russia: +775 cases (now 3733), +2 deaths (now 9) since 32 minutes ago — Cochabamba, Bolivia: +295 cases (now 714), +15 deaths (now 34) since 32 minutes ago — Irkutsk, Russia: +559 cases (now 2309), +3 deaths (now 14) since 32 minutes ago | 06:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Thailand: +17 cases (now 3101) since 23 hours ago — World: +17 cases (now 6.6 million) since 39 minutes ago | 07:07 |
| JonNov | anyone from latin america? | 07:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Islamabad, Pakistan: +651 cases (now 3544), +8 deaths (now 38) since 32 minutes ago — Sindh, Pakistan: +3263 cases (now 32910), +52 deaths (now 555) since 32 minutes ago — Punjab, Pakistan: +3254 cases (now 31104), +67 deaths (now 607) since 32 minutes ago — Balochistan, Pakistan: +710 cases (now 5224), +2 deaths (now 51) since 32 minutes ago | 07:22 |
| sYN4P515 | EricGrahamMacEac do you mean AdviceAnimals reddit? if so, sure can subscribe to it, let me know which channel you want this in | 07:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Manipur, India: +10 cases (now 118) since an hour ago — Afghanistan: +624 cases (now 17891), +5 deaths (now 299) since 22 hours ago — Bulgaria: +25 cases (now 2585), +1 deaths (now 147) since a day ago — World: +1000 cases (now 6.6 million), +6 deaths (now 388214) since an hour ago | 08:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nagaland, India: +22 cases (now 80) since 2 hours ago — Ukraine: +26 cases (now 25411), +5 deaths (now 747) since 4 hours ago — Latvia: +3 cases (now 1082), +1 deaths (now 25) since a day ago — World: +30 cases (now 6.6 million), +6 deaths (now 388220) since an hour ago | 09:07 |
| peterxy[m] | %cases nagaland | 09:33 |
| Brainstorm | peterxy[m]: In Nagaland, India, there have been 80 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 0 deaths (0.0% of cases) as of 28 minutes ago. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Nagaland for time series data. | 09:33 |
| blikjeham[m] | %cases Netherlands | 09:34 |
| Brainstorm | blikjeham[m]: In Netherlands, there have been 46733 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 5977 deaths (12.8% of cases) as of 18 hours ago. 359833 tests were performed (13.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands for time series data. | 09:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Armenia: +697 cases (now 11221), +6 deaths (now 176) since a day ago — Iowa, US: +248 cases (now 20549), +4 deaths (now 578) since 7 hours ago — US: +248 cases (now 1.9 million), +4 deaths (now 109146) since 7 hours ago — World: +978 cases (now 6.6 million), +15 deaths (now 388235) since 54 minutes ago | 09:37 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Rethinking antiviral effects for COVID-19 in clinical studies: early initiation is key to successful treatment (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gvuw0i | 10:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malaysia: +277 cases (now 8247) since a day ago — Russia: +8831 cases (now 441108), +169 deaths (now 5384) since a day ago — Bangladesh: +2423 cases (now 57563), +35 deaths (now 781) since a day ago — World: +14092 cases (now 6.6 million), +253 deaths (now 388488) since an hour ago | 11:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +3574 cases (now 164270), +59 deaths (now 8071) since a day ago — World: +5238 cases (now 6.6 million), +85 deaths (now 388573) since an hour ago — Belgium: +82 cases (now 58767), +26 deaths (now 9548) since a day ago — Oman: +779 cases (now 14316) since a day ago | 12:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +334 cases (now 2634) since 23 hours ago — Kuwait: +562 cases (now 29921), +6 deaths (now 236) since a day ago — World: +897 cases (now 6.6 million), +7 deaths (now 388580) since 21 minutes ago — Finland: +1 deaths (now 322) since 21 hours ago | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for North Macedonia: +119 cases (now 2611), +2 deaths (now 147) since a day ago — World: +119 cases (now 6.6 million), +3 deaths (now 388583) since 19 minutes ago — Nepal: +1 deaths (now 10) since 19 minutes ago | 13:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ethiopia: +150 cases (now 1636), +1 deaths (now 18) since 23 hours ago — Puerto Rico, US: +485 cases (now 4508) since 22 hours ago — US: +667 cases (now 1.9 million), +13 deaths (now 109159) since an hour ago — Afghanistan: +163 cases (now 18054), +1 deaths (now 300) since 5 hours ago | 13:38 |
| xrogaan | Huh, the number of new cases per day isn't going down in the US. | 14:30 |
| dunnp | seems to have a bit of a downward trend | 14:32 |
| dunnp | 10k fewer per day than 2 months ago | 14:32 |
| xrogaan | Europe is laughing at that. But yeah several sates have a great curve while other get worse. | 14:33 |
| xrogaan | New York is under 2k per day. | 14:33 |
| dunnp | laughing? | 14:34 |
| Urchin | too tragic to laugh | 14:35 |
| Urchin | though some of us celebrate our successes | 14:35 |
| Urchin | %data croatia | 14:35 |
| Brainstorm | Urchin: In Croatia, there have been 2247 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 103 deaths (4.6% of cases) as of 3 minutes ago. 67814 tests were performed (3.3% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.5% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Croatia for time series data. | 14:35 |
| Urchin | ah, a case | 14:36 |
| xrogaan | dunnp: there is still 20k per day, nationwide. It's ridiculous. Was a figure of speech, sorry. | 14:36 |
| dunnp | well yea and I think it will start going back up now | 14:38 |
| dunnp | but it is also a big place with lots of people | 14:38 |
| dunnp | south america seems to be getting pretty bad now | 14:39 |
| iz | %data usa | 14:40 |
| Brainstorm | iz: In US, there have been 1.9 million confirmed cases (0.6% of the population) and 109159 deaths (5.7% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 25.5 million tests were performed (7.5% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.9% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 13.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 14:40 |
| dunnp | %data brazil | 14:41 |
| Brainstorm | dunnp: In Brazil, there have been 587017 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 32602 deaths (5.6% of cases) as of 9 minutes ago. 3.1 million tests were performed (18.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.9% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 10.9% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Brazil for time series data. | 14:41 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 16:48 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 279856 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 39728 deaths (14.2% of cases) as of 23 hours ago. 4.8 million tests were performed (5.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 16:48 |
| Jigsy | I see the UK has completely stopped testing according to that graph. | 16:48 |
| Jigsy | Oh, no. New tests. | 16:49 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Six weeks of HCQ prophylaxis reduces likelihood of Covid-19 infection by 80% among symptomatic health care workers (Indian Journal of Medicine) (85 votes) | https://redd.it/gwg0cj | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iraq: +672 cases (now 8840), +15 deaths (now 271) since 23 hours ago — Vermont, US: +36 cases (now 1026) since a day ago — Mayotte: +65 cases (now 2058), +1 deaths (now 25) since 23 hours ago — Maryland, US: +876 cases (now 55858), +27 deaths (now 2668) since a day ago | 16:54 |
| Spec | USA sure hold-my-beer'd this virus shit | 17:16 |
| danielp3344 | yep, lol | 17:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Florida, US: +1419 cases (now 60183), +40 deaths (now 2607) since a day ago — Mozambique: +36 cases (now 352) since 22 hours ago — US: +1640 cases (now 1.9 million), +40 deaths (now 109244) since 35 minutes ago — India: +1911 cases (now 221222), +56 deaths (now 6186) since 35 minutes ago | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Montana, US: +14 cases (now 539) since a day ago — Sweden: +1080 cases (now 41883), +20 deaths (now 4562) since a day ago — Arizona, US: +530 cases (now 22753), +15 deaths (now 996) since 23 hours ago — Brazil: +3468 cases (now 590485), +86 deaths (now 32688) since an hour ago | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Puerto Rico: +484 cases (now 4508) since 16 hours ago — N. Mariana Is.: +3 cases (now 26) since 2 days ago — Mississippi, US: +238 cases (now 16560), +12 deaths (now 794) since a day ago — US: +307 cases (now 1.9 million), +15 deaths (now 109409) since 20 minutes ago | 18:54 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Finland reports zero new infections today (2600 tests) for the first time since March (translation in comments) (10013 votes) | https://redd.it/gwf4j6 | 19:48 |
| nixonix | fake news ^ | 19:53 |
| ubLIX | nixonix: substantiate please | 19:54 |
| nixonix | at least 15 identified cases reported today. that was news in finnish media earlier (zero), that was soon found untrue | 19:56 |
| ubLIX | thx | 19:57 |
| nixonix | and the reported cases are not necessarily from the same day, so daily numbers arent necessarily accurate currently. the zero was reported by national health institute, the 15 was collected from local health officials by some active citizens | 19:58 |
| nixonix | reported numbers arent correct anyways, in many countries. for different reasons, both political and technical | 20:00 |
| nixonix | FT: Flawed data casts cloud over Spain’s lockdown strategy https://archive.is/tMI6p https://www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-cd26-41dd-9642-616708b43673 | 20:00 |
| yn | https://i.imgur.com/YsbKHg1.gif | 20:06 |
| ubLIX | hm | 20:11 |
| ubLIX | for the UK'ers, I think it's worth seeing narratives that dwell on the scope of UK operational failure: https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/06/03/the-uk-compared-with-other-countries-on-the-pandemic/ | 20:11 |
| LjL | ubLIX, Kerala detained our marines! they are TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE i tell you | 20:24 |
| ubLIX | lol | 20:26 |
| ubLIX | although the article is about the UK, this part is quite eye catching: "Kerala is an especially interesting case– with a population of 35 million, it had, as of the end of May, 1088 cases of Covid-19, 9 deaths, and no community transmission. There have been more fatalities among Keralites residing in the US (29)!" | 20:26 |
| LjL | ubLIX, i was joking of course, India's reaction to the pandemic has been mixed, perhaps mostly positive but with a huge "human" toll that's not from COVID deaths | 20:30 |
| LjL | i don't know much about Kerala's management specifically | 20:30 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Second wave of the ENE-COVID-19 study: immunity in the Spanish population hardly varies and rises slightly to 5.2% (89 votes) | https://redd.it/gwkkb1 | 20:30 |
| LjL | each state does things very differently sometimes | 20:30 |
| LjL | perhaps more so than in the US | 20:30 |
| ubLIX | Kerala seems to be an outlier, if that article is to be believed | 20:31 |
| LjL | "second wave"? | 20:31 |
| LjL | %cases Delhi | 20:31 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Delhi, India, there have been 23645 confirmed cases (1.4% of the population) and 615 deaths (2.6% of cases) as of 13 hours ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.9% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 6.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Delhi for time series data. | 20:31 |
| LjL | %cases Kerala | 20:31 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Kerala, India, there have been 1495 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 12 deaths (0.8% of cases) as of 13 hours ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 1.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Kerala for time series data. | 20:31 |
| LjL | different | 20:31 |
| LjL | %cases Uttar Pradesh | 20:31 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Uttar Pradesh, India, there have been 8870 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 230 deaths (2.6% of cases) as of 13 hours ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.9% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Uttar%20Pradesh for time series data. | 20:31 |
| LjL | %cases Rajashtan | 20:31 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: Sorry, Rajashtan not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 20:31 |
| LjL | ugh i never know how this is spelled | 20:31 |
| LjL | actually i spelled it right | 20:32 |
| LjL | oh | 20:32 |
| LjL | %cases Rajasthan | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Rajasthan, India, there have been 9720 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 209 deaths (2.2% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.7% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 3.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Rajasthan for time series data. | 20:32 |
| LjL | these are states near Delhi | 20:32 |
| LjL | i bet most of the infections are concentrated around Delhi suburbs, but i wouldn't know for sure | 20:32 |
| nixonix | %cases Madrid | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: In Madrid, Spain, there have been 68451 confirmed cases (1.1% of the population) and 8977 deaths (13.1% of cases) as of 6 days ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 4.4% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 18.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Madrid for time series data. | 20:32 |
| LjL | good point | 20:33 |
| metreo | there has been a massive migration out of Delhi specifically | 20:33 |
| LjL | yeah because Delhi is largely inhabited by people who went there to work but originate from elsewhere | 20:33 |
| metreo | the virus has likely permeated the majority of the country | 20:33 |
| metreo | Delhi was a major centre for migrants | 20:33 |
| LjL | similar to how people fled Milan when Lombardy was quarantined... but more, many more, since Milan has 3 million people and Delhi 30 million or so | 20:33 |
| LjL | (more like 40 actually) | 20:34 |
| metreo | at scale we can't expect India to produce reliable information | 20:34 |
| LjL | yeah it should be analyzed on a state by state basis | 20:34 |
| metreo | even then I don't see how they can accomplish anything approaching a representative census | 20:35 |
| nixonix | funny, it gives madrid more than i expect IFR to be there based on antibody survey (around 1.7% assuming around 50% more excess fatalities over the official fatality numbers) | 20:35 |
| LjL | metreo, i don't expect accurate numbers from just about any country | 20:36 |
| LjL | if India is exceptional *even* within that mental framework, well i can believe that about the whole country maybe, but i do think some individual states can have numbers comparable to some non-Indian states/countries | 20:37 |
| metreo | define accuracy in this context, there is always a significant under-counting in any pandemic on the order of 8-10x | 20:37 |
| LjL | right | 20:38 |
| LjL | i could define accuracy in many ways, for instance we can look at deaths and it's probably not on the order of 8-10x for Italy, more like 2-3x | 20:38 |
| LjL | but cases, then 8-10x seems possible, and who really knows | 20:38 |
| LjL | and during the hard phases of the emergency, undertesting was *severe* | 20:39 |
| LjL | and then we have things like the UK deciding that whenever they test someone, they take a nasal and an oral swab | 20:39 |
| metreo | yes active cases it what's important it derives mortality | 20:39 |
| LjL | ... and that in their numbers, that counts as two tests | 20:39 |
| LjL | which is basically active deception | 20:39 |
| metreo | estimates are that only about 15% of active cases will report | 20:39 |
| LjL | what estimates | 20:39 |
| nixonix | accuracy is things like also include senior home fatalities, those died at home, and not only hospital fatalities. and also publish mortality data without long delays, so the excess mortality can be seen. preferably publish that excess mortality, so that citizens or media doesnt have to do that | 20:39 |
| LjL | i've seen estimates on this say all sorts of different numbers | 20:40 |
| LjL | thanks nixonix | 20:40 |
| LjL | yes, accuracy has many facets | 20:40 |
| metreo | these are summary statistics based on the preliminary outbreak | 20:40 |
| nixonix | publish daily testing numbers, share of positive results, testing methods, used assay, its sensitivity and specificity. easy things like that | 20:40 |
| LjL | what makes Indian states so special that they have to be taken as blanket-inaccurate, while the rest of the world doesn't? | 20:40 |
| metreo | it's impossible for India to do anything at the scales necessary | 20:41 |
| metreo | too many people, too few tests | 20:41 |
| LjL | India probably dealt with the Nipah virus epidemic way better than European countries would have, and maybe we'd have a pandemic of *that* without Kerala acting swiftly, and thanks Shiva we don't, because that's SO much worse than COVID | 20:42 |
| nixonix | publish all data whats been done, and what were the results. despite too little resources for testing or whatever. just publish it | 20:42 |
| metreo | many (most?) people in India also do no die in hospitals aggravating data collection | 20:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +3267 cases (now 40792), +56 deaths (now 848) since 23 hours ago — Chile: +4664 cases (now 118292), +81 deaths (now 1356) since a day ago — Brazil: +4627 cases (now 595112), +350 deaths (now 33038) since 2 hours ago — Wisconsin, US: +492 cases (now 19892), +10 deaths (now 626) since a day ago | 21:25 |
| whytek | fascinating quotes from the Belgium poison control centre as people are poisoning themselves in attempts to protect from c19: "“We have never seen such a significant increase in the history of the Poison Control Center,” Dominique Vandijck, deputy director of the Poison Control Centre, told VRT Niews." | 21:48 |
| whytek | “We even got calls from people who had put bleach in their bathwater. To be able to disinfect their whole bodies, they said. For God’s sake. Don’t do that,” Vandijck told Het Nieuwsblad. | 21:49 |
| whytek | https://www.euractiv.com/section/health-consumers/news/number-of-bleach-related-incidents-up-in-belgium-due-to-covid-19-fears/ | 21:49 |
| whytek | just in case anybody here is thinking over taking a bath in bleach. | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia (US), US: +953 cases (now 49847), +24 deaths (now 2147) since a day ago — Yemen: +34 cases (now 453), +8 deaths (now 103) since a day ago — Ivory Coast: +152 cases (now 3262) since 22 hours ago — Suriname: +8 cases (now 82) since 21 hours ago | 21:55 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Retraction: "Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine with or without a macrolide for treatment of COVID-19: a multinational registry analysis" (80 votes) | https://redd.it/gwnuw2 | 22:49 |
| oriba | https://retractionwatch.com/2020/06/04/lancet-retracts-controversial-hydroxychloroquine-study/ | 22:53 |
| LjL | <CarlSagan_> [Ars Technica - Science] Lancet hydroxychloroquine study retracted: Shady data still shady https://arstechnica.com/?p=1681327 2020-06-04T20:07:48 | 22:55 |
| LjL | the thick plottens | 22:55 |
| LjL | oh, oriba beat me | 22:55 |
| oriba | hehe | 22:55 |
| bin_bash | lol LjL | 22:57 |
| bin_bash | i read that as a command at first for some reason | 22:58 |
| bin_bash | i was like "why should oriba beat you?!" | 22:58 |
| LjL | :P | 22:58 |
| oriba | bin_bash: some people like that ;-) | 22:58 |
| LjL | even so, not the right place | 22:59 |
| LjL | we only do research-based masochism here | 22:59 |
| LjL | also, "The publication of the study had prompted the World Health Organization (WHO) to halt a study of hydroxychloroquine, but the WHO resumed that trial once the expression of concern appeared." | 22:59 |
| LjL | LOLWHO | 22:59 |
| bin_bash | lol | 22:59 |
| bin_bash | the WHO is a fucking joke | 22:59 |
| mrvulcan[m] | <LjL "also, "The publication of the st"> What is this a quote from? | 23:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Texas, US: +1124 cases (now 70770), +16 deaths (now 1795) since an hour ago — Peru: +4284 cases (now 183198), +137 deaths (now 5031) since a day ago — Arkansas, US: +358 cases (now 8425), +9 deaths (now 151) since a day ago — US: +4153 cases (now 1.9 million), +137 deaths (now 110036) since an hour ago | 23:20 |
| cigromullat | Hi | 23:39 |
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| cigromullat | Daily updated news from newspapers only related with covid, and information about the cases around the world | 23:40 |
| genera | hi | 23:41 |
| LjL | hi | 23:41 |
| cigromullat | :) hi | 23:42 |
| LjL | ... and bye, apparently | 23:44 |
| LjL | i have a lot of news and info about "the covid" too, and i don't even ask for donations about it! | 23:44 |
| LjL | but... | 23:44 |
| LjL | i mean, if you want to give me money, i can take money | 23:44 |
| genera | makes me wonder how good an idea it is to republish newspaper excerpts | 23:51 |
| oriba | and *then* ask for money? | 23:52 |
| oriba | maybe that site should be sued? | 23:52 |
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