| Urchin[emacs] | %data croatia | 01:59 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +3809 cases (now 65736), +69 deaths (now 1423) since a day ago — Panama: +848 cases (now 20059), +8 deaths (now 429) since 20 hours ago — South Carolina, US: +785 cases (now 17955), +6 deaths (now 599) since a day ago — Texas, US: +1890 cases (now 87531), +21 deaths (now 1987) since 20 hours ago | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | Urchin[emacs]: In Croatia, there have been 2251 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 107 deaths (4.8% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 69967 tests were performed (3.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.6% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected), and less than 4.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Croatia for time series data. | 01:59 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: COVID-19 vaccines for all? (80 votes) | https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31354-4/fulltext | https://redd.it/h8h0k2 | 03:07 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 'I've run out of tears': Arizona man has lost 5 family members to COVID-19 | “How many more people got to die before he does something about it?" Ricardo Aguirre said (10382 votes) | https://www.12news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/valley-man-says-family-has-been-impacted-by-covid-19-calls-for-ducey-to-take-action/75-a107d3a3-2071-4a0d-ab12-98eade8e295a | https://redd.it/h8f87d | 03:25 |
| LjL | ... | 03:26 |
| Caliban | ... | 05:51 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !cases USA | 11:12 |
| CovBot1 | In United States there have been a total of 2,142,224 cases as of 2020-06-14 09:03:00 UTC. Of these 1,170,591 (54.6%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 854,106 (39.9%) have definitely recovered and 117,527 (5.5%) have died. | 11:12 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Evaluating the efficacy and safety of human anti-SARS-CoV-2 convalescent plasma in severely ill adults with COVID-19: A structured summary of a study protocol for a randomized controlled trial. (80 votes) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/research/coronavirus/publication/32513308 | https://redd.it/h8gwp9 | 14:23 |
| pwr22 | In my city... | 14:32 |
| pwr22 | No social distancing to speak of | 14:32 |
| pwr22 | And not even any of the diversity the signs are espousing 🤦♂️ | 14:32 |
| pwr22 | At least some with masks | 14:32 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Where would that be? | 15:13 |
| pwr22 | Bristol, UK | 15:32 |
| Haley[mt][m] | ok. Well. This is not the first pandemic, and won't be the last. | 15:42 |
| Haley[mt][m] | So we better get used to that. | 15:42 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: US will probably have ~170,000 total deaths by October. Daily deaths will slow in Summer, then increase in Fall. (IHME) At that rate, the US will exceed 200,000 deaths in 2020. (80 votes) | https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america | https://redd.it/h8t2ss | 16:06 |
| ubLIX | %title https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/14/the-lancets-editor-the-uk-response-to-coronavirus-is-the-greatest-science-policy-failure-for-a-generation | 17:13 |
| Brainstorm | ubLIX: From www.theguardian.com: The Lancet’s editor: ‘The UK's response to coronavirus is the greatest science policy failure for a generation’ | Politics | The Guardian | 17:13 |
| ubLIX | dramatic headline is dramatic. actually quite a wandering article but not devoid of general interest | 17:13 |
| LjL | Haley[mt][m], it is the first of significance for me, and statistically speaking, it could be the last too (although i have a feeling they'll be getting more frequent, not less). how often something happens *within a human life* is important for humans. | 17:23 |
| LjL | take earthquakes, countries that have them all the time tend to fare better than those who *are* subjected to destructive earthquakes, but not very often, and maybe you'll only experience a strong earthquake once in your life (minus aftershocks) | 17:25 |
| bin_bash | like Haiti vs California | 17:27 |
| bin_bash | (i know cali isnt a country) | 17:28 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: CDC Denies Native American Tribes’ Requests For Coronavirus Data That Is Freely Available To States (10831 votes) | https://khn.org/morning-breakout/cdc-denies-native-american-tribes-requests-for-coronavirus-data-that-is-freely-available-to-states/ | https://redd.it/h8smed | 17:31 |
| LjL | bin_bash, there are also striking economic difference there. unsurprisingly i had italy in mind, we have destructive earthquakes but every time it happens we're like "how could anyone have expected it!". now in italy there's also the problem that many buildings are very old, and you don't have that problem in, say, Chile, but, then it's often also *new* buildings that collapse, because they should be built by seismic standards but they aren't. i bet they | 18:04 |
| LjL | are in Chile, when they learn that we get damage from some M6-ish earthquake they're like "that's just a bit of a jolt for us" | 18:04 |
| bin_bash | LjL: so italy doesnt build earthquake-safe new buildings? | 19:25 |
| LjL | bin_bash, well maybe it does some, but buildings that didn't stay up properly during recent earthquakes have included a recently-built hospitals, a dorm, and a bunch of ever-crumbling schools... i don't know if that was recent, but a school represented *all* the fatalities of one earthquake. it just wiped out all kids from a town. the mafia meddles *a lot* with construction, in many places, that doesn't help. | 21:14 |
| bin_bash | LjL: wow that's awful =/ | 21:15 |
| bin_bash | sounds similar to Japan's issue with the yakuza in the construction business | 21:15 |
| LjL | well evidently the yakuza is at least sensitive to the earthquake issue | 21:16 |
| LjL | their rarely have fatalities despite having decent-sized earthquakes on a daily basis | 21:16 |
| LjL | italy is just depressing sometimes | 21:17 |
| LjL | every country has its warts i guess, but gee. | 21:17 |
| bin_bash | true | 21:18 |
| LjL | they also have the most advanced eathquake early warning system in the world (and one of the few, although recent years have seen more countries starting to run some of those). it's partly why i wrote earthquake-related stuff into my bot, i wanted to attempt to provide something similar, obviously with different resources | 21:19 |
| bin_bash | that's very true, they are mostly (minus fukushima) on top of the earthquake game | 21:20 |
| bin_bash | but hey, like you said, every country has it warts | 21:21 |
| bin_bash | the US is certainly not perfect LOL | 21:21 |
| bin_bash | <politics>it sure af doesnt help that we don't currently have a president</politics> | 21:21 |
| LjL | bin_bash, well the Fukushima plant was built stupidly, but the tsunami itself was something they hadn't seen in a century or so (they've had other tsunamis, but they were on the order of 3m max, which is the height they built their barriers, not 20m...) - but the early warning, both for the earthquake and the subsequent tsunami, is thought to have saved many lives in 2011... even though many died anyway | 21:22 |
| bin_bash | LjL: no, they were warned about it | 21:23 |
| bin_bash | like a couple months before it happened | 21:23 |
| LjL | yes scientists had expressed concerns | 21:23 |
| bin_bash | a bunch of engineers were like "uh guys the next earthquake will fuck us up bad" and the politicians were like "nah it's fine" | 21:23 |
| LjL | putting the emergency generator next to the sea wasn't a bright idea | 21:23 |
| LjL | if you lose power in a nuclear station, you need emergency power to keep things safe | 21:24 |
| LjL | placing the emergency power in the most vulnerable location, well... | 21:24 |
| bin_bash | also issues with the foundation and whatnot | 21:24 |
| bin_bash | bureaucrats always get in the way | 21:24 |
| LjL | for real | 21:24 |
| LjL | our 150000 people antibody testing campaign is not going to include people <14 | 21:24 |
| LjL | because that's the age for informed consent | 21:25 |
| LjL | even though one important thing we need to know is how the hell COVID behaves in children, because it's unclear and important | 21:25 |
| bin_bash | wut | 21:25 |
| bin_bash | that's retarded | 21:25 |
| bin_bash | for lack of a better term, it truly is hindered and held back | 21:25 |
| LjL | we could make laws to stop us from leaving our homes, but we can't override some privacy protections by just saying that the parents can express consent on the children's behalf? | 21:25 |
| bin_bash | yeah | 21:25 |
| bin_bash | that's ridiculous | 21:25 |
| LjL | well that's bureaucracy in italy, expect it to work in that sort of way in all respects, which is why this country is depressing | 21:26 |
| LjL | i think when foreigners think of the problems italy may be having, they'll think of corruption and mafia, i guess. which are both true | 21:26 |
| LjL | but just how awful the bureaucracy is that's something they only notice if they actually come here to live, and realize how many public offices they're going to have to visit for stupid things | 21:27 |
| bin_bash | i've read/seen that in media but i didnt know how true it was | 21:27 |
| bin_bash | i read a non-fiction book about a serial killer in italy who was never caught, called "The Monster of Venice" and it was a fascinating window into that | 21:28 |
| Urchin[emacs] | I knew a guy who tried to get a visa for Italy to do some research there | 21:34 |
| Urchin[emacs] | he took a year and a half, and in the end they scheduled a hearing for after he came back from Italy | 21:35 |
| LjL | how typical ;( | 21:42 |
| LjL | bin_bash, well here's how the earthquake early warning + tsunami warning worked on NHK in 2011, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXbonRpOS4Q (title is in portuguese for some reason but it's english subtitled), or for a shorter and less catastrophic example, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAxxZkpV0HI you can hear they sound 10x more concerned when the tsunami warning comes, in reality i learned they had actually been *instructed* to sound a lot more | 21:44 |
| LjL | concerned after seeing that in 2011 people didn't take the tsunami warning seriously enough from the calm demeanor of the NHK anchormen | 21:44 |
| Urchin[emacs] | I also know of a guy who bought a sailboat in Italy, he asked the owner about papers and customs and stuff, the guy just told him to sail away at night | 21:48 |
| Urchin[emacs] | to be fair about the earthquake that caused the 2011 tsunami, it wasn't until the '80s that earthquakes of that magnitude have even been suggested as possible around Japan, and the possibility of it was literally still debated when the earthquake struck (there was a seismology conference at the time where it was debated) | 21:51 |
| ryouma | i want to know when az will go down to the levels it is at now. i have seen predictions for the us as a whole only. | 22:00 |
| ubLIX | Dr MedCram goes after sugar consumption (specifically, fructose), linking it to poorer COVID-19 outcomes: | 22:05 |
| ubLIX | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4zfWkvbBaw | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | ubLIX: From www.youtube.com: Coronavirus Pandemic Update 83: High Fructose, Vitamin D, & Oxidative Stress in COVID-19 - YouTube | 22:05 |
| ubLIX | includes quick review/sketch of ROS regulation pathways involved in COVID-19; notes absence of RCT wrt fructose consumption, but gives sense of fructose prevalence in food supply being related to COVID-19 comorbidities | 22:10 |
| ryouma | so eat less fruit and berries? or is this more like processed food? | 22:12 |
| oriba | Tsunamis.. from german Wikipedia, translated via deepl: https://bit.ly/2AyhaB2 | 22:14 |
| ubLIX | more concerned with HFCS (high fructose corn syrup) added to foods. so yes, processed foods and confections. | 22:14 |
| oriba | So, "not before the 80ies" looks wrong to me | 22:14 |
| oriba | or here: https://bit.ly/3d5PXCV | 22:16 |
| nixonix | Macron hails 'first victory' against COVID-19 and reopens French borders .. cafés and restaurants in Paris will be allowed to reopen on Monday (June 15), nearly two weeks after those in the rest of the country were able to | 22:23 |
| nixonix | The country's borders with other European Union member states will also reopen on Monday, Macron said, adding that borders with countries outside the bloc "where the epidemic has been controlled" will reopen on July 1. Travellers from Spain and the UK will, however, be required to self-isolate for 14 days in reciprocity of current regulations in the two countries. | 22:23 |
| nixonix | and sweden? | 22:24 |
| LjL | nixonix, maybe sweden has no quarantine requirement, "reciprocity" is fancy geopolitician term for "childish tit for tat" | 23:11 |
| nixonix | i think spain was opening border to france june 21 or so. i wonder how they like the self-isolating requirement | 23:13 |
| LjL | nixonix, apparently greece is opening to everyone except italians and a couple others i forgot will be required to take a COVID test, and quarantined at the expense of the greek state if found positive. considering if you are in italy and want to get tested, that's unlikely to happen, and considering in countries like for instance new zealand, returnees had to pay for their quarantine stay... i suspect those requirements from greece are just an attempt to | 23:15 |
| LjL | get *more* tourists :P | 23:15 |
| nixonix | we are between sweden and russia. i would think twice before letting us anywhere | 23:17 |
| LjL | nixonix, if you leave for a minute russia will invade you anyway, better stay and sleep in turns | 23:19 |
| nixonix | should have built the nukes they planned, back in the days | 23:22 |
| Arsanerit | Russia doesn't have a history of invading Sweden. | 23:45 |
| LjL | not sure who you're contradicting, if anyone | 23:48 |
| Arsanerit | I may have misunderstood "russia will invade you" | 23:51 |
| Arsanerit | I may not be contradicting anyone here (but in Swedish domestic political debate the "threat of Russia" is often used to motivate increased military spending) | 23:52 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, "you" = Finland, i.e. the ones "between" Sweden and Russia | 23:52 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: ah yes. It seems Russia has by now accepted Finnish independenc though, unlike Ukraine or Georgia. | 23:54 |
| Arsanerit | I'm going to bed, goodnight | 23:54 |
| LjL | night | 23:55 |
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