| Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +3843 cases (now 84442), +157 deaths (now 2811) since an hour ago — New Mexico, US: +216 cases (now 11408), +4 deaths (now 489) since a day ago — Colorado, US: +317 cases (now 31796), +4 deaths (now 1673) since an hour ago — US: +1676 cases (now 2.5 million), +12 deaths (now 127361) since 49 minutes ago | 00:24 |
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| adham128 | I passed some possible presymptoms covid-19 through deep inhaling deep exhaling then short inhaling short exhaling | 00:25 |
| adham128 | I had my awarness to enviroment bad at the beggining went to sleep woke up and then chest pain | 00:27 |
| adham128 | it went away now it came back after I went to elevator second time | 00:27 |
| Jigsy | https://nypost.com/2020/06/26/joe-biden-wrongly-says-we-have-120-million-dead-from-covid/ | 00:46 |
| Jigsy | %title | 00:47 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: From nypost.com: Joe Biden wrongly says 'we have 120 million dead from COVID' | 00:47 |
| Jigsy | It's worse than we thought. | 00:47 |
| ryouma | ghwb said he had sex with ronald reagan. he meant setbacks. | 00:48 |
| ryouma | "and a half years I've worked alongside President Reagan. We've had triumphs. Made some mistakes. We've had some sex ... uh... setbacks." --George Bush." | 00:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Czechia: +115 cases (now 11038), +3 deaths (now 349) since 2 hours ago — Ivory Coast: +405 cases (now 8739), +4 deaths (now 64) since 22 hours ago — Sudan: +173 cases (now 9257), +13 deaths (now 572) since 2 hours ago — World: +1030 cases (now 9.9 million), +20 deaths (now 495891) since 35 minutes ago | 00:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet at 00:00 UTC: [Perspectives] Nature and nowness under lockdown: “Death”, wrote Saul Bellow in his acclaimed novel Humboldt's Gift, “is the dark backing a mirror needs if we are to see anything”. 45 years have elapsed since he wrote these words, but they have surely never carried more weight. As we reel, stunned and [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YZk7lX | 01:08 |
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| EricGrahamMacEac | !cases Canada | 01:10 |
| CovBot | In Canada there have been a total of 102,735 cases as of 2020-06-26 23:04:00 UTC. Of these 28,570 (27.8%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 65,658 (63.9%) have definitely recovered and 8,507 (8.3%) have died. | 01:10 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for Lesotho: +7 cases (now 24) since 3 days ago — Illinois, US: +1053 cases (now 141344), +201 deaths (now 7048) since 3 hours ago — California, US: +1933 cases (now 206510), +27 deaths (now 5855) since 37 minutes ago — US: +3603 cases (now 2.6 million), +234 deaths (now 127602) since 37 minutes ago | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 00:00 UTC: (news): Liverpool: Crowds celebrating title win despite coronavirus fears 'told to leave' → https://is.gd/1EImQn | 02:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guadeloupe: +8 cases (now 182) since 7 days ago — Eritrea: +23 cases (now 167) since 2 days ago — US: +131 cases (now 2.6 million), +17 deaths (now 127619) since 20 minutes ago — California, US: +31 cases (now 206541), +17 deaths (now 5872) since 20 minutes ago | 02:09 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Florida adds another 8,942 new COVID-19 cases, breaking single-day record again (10004 votes) | https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/florida-coronavirus-numbers-june26/67-8de17be9-e4ef-4ef4-9dbe-fb7f434fe538 | https://redd.it/hg8ydg | 02:12 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:10 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Brazil sees 46,800 cases in 24 hours as Australia braces for surge → https://is.gd/E4mGhj | 02:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:55 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US hits record daily case rise as Australia's testing blitz of clusters continues → https://is.gd/MKaZu2 | 03:04 |
| ryouma | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/covid-19-vaccine-may-not-work-for-at-risk-older-people-say-scientists | 03:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 01:39 UTC: (news): Coronavirus updates: Fauci says contact tracing 'not going well,' Texas and Florida roll back reopening plans → https://is.gd/Dlkbl1 | 03:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guatemala: +209 cases (now 15828), +49 deaths (now 672) since a day ago — Panama: +868 cases (now 29905), +11 deaths (now 575) since a day ago — Mexico: +5441 cases (now 208392), +719 deaths (now 25779) since a day ago — Bolivia: +920 cases (now 29423), +21 deaths (now 934) since a day ago | 03:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 01:55 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US hits record daily case rise as Australia's testing blitz of clusters continues → https://is.gd/MKaZu2 | 04:11 |
| LjL | people are disgusting | 04:25 |
| LjL | https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/hgkbsi/countries_where_everyone_wore_masks_saw_covid/fw4l93i/ | 04:25 |
| LjL | if you're any of those downvoters | 04:25 |
| LjL | fuck you | 04:25 |
| LjL | fuck you from the deep of my heart | 04:25 |
| LjL | but i hope you don't get COVID, merely because you'd pass it on to others | 04:26 |
| LjL | and fuck the WHO and also those who still justify them | 04:26 |
| LjL | fucking inept and/or corrupt politicians | 04:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica at 02:23 UTC: Gaming & Culture: Mulan release date bumped to August 21 as coronavirus pandemic rages on → https://is.gd/boT5hC | 04:30 |
| tinwhiskers | Well, I still think the WHO is OK despite some appalling choices they made and their terrible communications. Need to fire their PR department at least. | 04:32 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, with all due respect, fuck you | 04:33 |
| LjL | the appalling decisional abilities killed thousands of people around me | 04:34 |
| tinwhiskers | The call to advise against wearing masks was badly thought out but had at least some good intent. However, lying about it is never a good calls. | 04:34 |
| tinwhiskers | *call | 04:34 |
| LjL | and these people on reddit have the nerve to say "what does it matter" | 04:34 |
| tinwhiskers | I understand that LjL | 04:34 |
| tinwhiskers | (your fuck you, that is) | 04:34 |
| LjL | https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/hgkbsi/countries_where_everyone_wore_masks_saw_covid/fw4myxi/ | 04:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Well, I certainly don't share that view. | 04:34 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, but they are the WHO, they aren't supposed to be a group of rookies "whoops they made a bad call, oh well, they tried" | 04:35 |
| LjL | and | 04:35 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 04:35 |
| LjL | there were many rumors that what they could communicate was basically determined by their CDC connections | 04:35 |
| LjL | which told them what to say and what not to say | 04:35 |
| LjL | so it's not a stretch to assume that a certain president managed to first cripple them, then blame them too | 04:35 |
| tinwhiskers | it was very poor but a lot of the other work the WHO does is really important. The public relations has been a disaster. | 04:35 |
| BetterThanYou | oh man | 04:36 |
| BetterThanYou | it's the same fucking assholes | 04:36 |
| BetterThanYou | lmfao | 04:36 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 04:36 |
| LjL | if there's any justification for them, it might be this. but that's not much of a justification because then the WHO would just be a puppet... thing... for no good | 04:36 |
| LjL | yeah it's good i don't even need to ban people isn't it | 04:36 |
| LjL | at least i assume this one visited the other place first | 04:36 |
| LjL | uhm, or not | 04:36 |
| tinwhiskers | there's certainly a lot of political pressure and you can imagine they have huge commitees that ended up making some really poor collective decisions. | 04:37 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers if you and me with just a bit of common sense could easily realize that, hell, we don't know much about this disease, but obviously the SAFE choice is wearing mask, not NOT wearing them | 04:37 |
| LjL | their committee could have realized the same | 04:37 |
| tinwhiskers | I agree that's what should have happened. | 04:38 |
| LjL | they either failed to do so, or they were told to avoid it (so some governments could hoard masks?), or they made an incredibly silly call in deciding that somehow, they'd save doctors by telling lies | 04:38 |
| tinwhiskers | but that functrion of the WHO is only a small part of what they do. That part was a royal fuck-up for sure. | 04:38 |
| LjL | they saved no doctors, doctors here were reusing silly surgical masks for weeks anyway | 04:38 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, what's one thing they did clearly right during this pandemic and that helped tremendously, just so i can balance my views? | 04:39 |
| tinwhiskers | if they could have said at the outset that people should wear fabric masks to protect others and explain why that is important, and that N95 masks were deperately needed for medical staff it seems like a much better approach. | 04:39 |
| tinwhiskers | that the lied really sucked | 04:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 02:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US hits record daily case rise as Australia's testing blitz of clusters continues → https://is.gd/MKaZu2 | 04:40 |
| tinwhiskers | they really didn't do a lot right during this pandemic. When they did make the right calls it was usually well after countries had already decided the same. | 04:41 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: U.S. reports 41,407 new cases of coronavirus so far today, the biggest one-day increase since the pandemic began (10245 votes) | https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1276639322863788034?s=21 | https://redd.it/hgha2d | 04:43 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm sure the Chinese-heavy leadership in the WHO is partly responsible for the culture of "avoid causing trouble" and I think that's something that needs changing. | 04:47 |
| tinwhiskers | They had been lambasted for declaring a previous pandemic when it was deemed unnecessary so were gun shy on that one. | 04:48 |
| tinwhiskers | The lie about masks though. Hard to justify that choice even though the intent was good. | 04:48 |
| tinwhiskers | So, yeah, heads should roll, but the WHO itself is a valuable organisation, imo. | 04:49 |
| tinwhiskers | it'll be interesting to read some reports from insiders in due course. I'm sure there were a lot of folk in the WHO who were enraged at the decisions that were being made. | 04:52 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well, that's why i said i think people should stand trial. this was a monstrous choice that i find impossible to justify, but there are certainly going to be people within the organization who are responsible, and others who were trying to fight it, or, at worst, just shrugged | 04:53 |
| LjL | but | 04:53 |
| LjL | i'm not sure i hold more faith in international courts than i hold in the WHO, so :\ | 04:53 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 04:53 |
| tinwhiskers | well, I'm not from a litigious sort of place and I'm not sure they should be held criminally negligible if these were lies by committee. It depends if someone ended up making a final (overriding?) call or not I guess. I'd certainly support an investigation at least from a point of view of learning what needs to be fixed, if not a criminal investigation. | 04:55 |
| tinwhiskers | Are the international courts run by the UN? :-) | 04:56 |
| LjL | not sure, probably not, considering the US is *presently* again challenging the legitimacy of the ICC | 04:56 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 04:56 |
| LjL | and they actually have a law that mandates invasion of the Hague should they sentence a US person | 04:57 |
| LjL | literally. bit of an internet meme, but true. | 04:57 |
| tinwhiskers | wow | 04:57 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act | 04:57 |
| LjL | ASPA authorizes the U.S. president to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". This authorization has led the act to be nicknamed the "Hague Invasion Act".[3][4] | 04:58 |
| tinwhiskers | I kinda think a lot of governments share much of the blame as well so unless we can also hold governments criminally liable then I don't really think the WHO is really deserving of that either. There's been so many monumental fuck-ups all round. | 04:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express at 02:43 UTC: World: Experts say global push to develop COVID-19 vaccine requires big budget → https://is.gd/adJXFk | 04:59 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, true, but i could see that within our government (state vs regional especially) there was turmoil and back-and-forths. i can only assume it would have been a lot more straightforward if the WHO had just recommendded masks. | 05:01 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, for sure | 05:01 |
| ryouma | ok a couple of points | 05:02 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, within a national government, honestly, i *can* fathom that there would be people saying "we really need masks!" and others saying "well, what you say seems to make sense, but surely if the WHO is telling us the opposite, they have research on that?!" | 05:02 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 05:02 |
| LjL | (especially within italy's government where i don't expect anyone to have much of a clue) | 05:02 |
| ryouma | first obviously who was wrong about masks | 05:04 |
| ryouma | i'd like to know more about this? --- 19:35 <LjL> there were many rumors that what they could communicate was basically determined by their CDC connections | 05:04 |
| tinwhiskers | I know exactly what you mean, because if I recall I was saying we need masks and you were saying there was no evidence not all that long ago... And there wasn't solid evidence, only anecdotal. If we can't advise people take drugs on anecdotal evidence under a science-based approach can we really say people should wear masks given the same? | 05:04 |
| LjL | uuuuh god where did i hear of all that | 05:04 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i don't think i was saying that. at least, i don't think i was saying that while meaning "so we shouldn't wear them" | 05:05 |
| LjL | it's kind of true that we had no evidence | 05:05 |
| LjL | as i said in one of the reddit posts | 05:05 |
| LjL | i think researchers thought it *obvious* | 05:05 |
| LjL | they hadn't looked for evidence because it was a no brainer | 05:05 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 05:05 |
| LjL | until the WHO decided otherwise | 05:05 |
| tinwhiskers | right | 05:05 |
| tinwhiskers | so you can bet there were people on the committee saying "we cannot advise people wear masks unless we have evidence for that" | 05:06 |
| LjL | ryouma, i'll look in my logs because i think i mentioned that CDC thing before with a link, but no guarantees i'm afraid | 05:06 |
| PlanckWalk | "... and evidence for dozens of other respiratory viruses doesn't count!" | 05:06 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, those are called Fucking Bureaucrats | 05:06 |
| LjL | the Fucking is part of the title | 05:06 |
| tinwhiskers | yes | 05:06 |
| ryouma | what international courts are we talking about? | 05:07 |
| tinwhiskers | PlanckWalK: you'd think but I had the same struggle against a lot of people here. "But that's influenza! That's not evidence!" | 05:07 |
| tinwhiskers | it's bound to have played a part in a committee decision. | 05:08 |
| ryouma | it is reasonable to say that we don't know about this virus, so as a precation wear masks | 05:08 |
| tinwhiskers | agreed | 05:08 |
| ryouma | you don't need a paper to say that water slakes thirst | 05:08 |
| ryouma | um never mind that comment | 05:08 |
| tinwhiskers | no, that's fair | 05:08 |
| PlanckWalk | But but, does it slake thirst if you have COVID? We don't know! Advise people not to drink water. | 05:08 |
| ryouma | the icc covers 4 laws, one of which isn't really even a live law yet. there is the icj, aka world court... | 05:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:01 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US hits record daily case rise as Australia's testing blitz of clusters continues → https://is.gd/MKaZu2 | 05:09 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 05:09 |
| ryouma | the icc is a partly independent un body that enforces a un law. teh security council can intervene. reminder: china is on the security council. | 05:09 |
| tinwhiskers | So everyone is saying that now but 4-5 months ago it wasn't like this. Many people said No, that is not "obvious" | 05:09 |
| ryouma | and the us | 05:09 |
| tinwhiskers | admittedly a lot of people were saying that on the assumption that if it were obvious the WHO would also be saying it, but nevertheless. Hiindsight. | 05:10 |
| LjL | ryouma, okay, so the specific thing i had in mind was from a Civil Protection conference in Italy, one of those I translated back then, and in particular it was a question answered by the Italian WHO link person. it was mostly about the reticence in declaring it a pandemic, rather than the mask wearing, but the WHO link's answer involving the CDC could apply to both things (and more). | 05:11 |
| LjL | you need to "read between the lines" a bit to get what i was saying, but i think he didn't hide it very much | 05:12 |
| LjL | https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/blob/0bc2e2e50ef46b1852ca5e4197d4a94b4019dbfe/speeches/Italian-Civil-Protection/2020-04-15.txt#L86 | 05:12 |
| LjL | until line 94 | 05:12 |
| LjL | tell me how you interpret that. you too tinwhiskers, although maybe you remember this | 05:12 |
| ryouma | ok i will ook at that when i can. i do not have your skill or the physical capability of handling several conversations at the same tmie and reading adocument also. i am highly interested in this question. | 05:13 |
| LjL | ryouma, i'm sorry, but you asked me a question, i'm just responding | 05:13 |
| LjL | you don't have to get back to me immediately :) | 05:13 |
| ryouma | the declaring pandemic thing is a different question. the excuse there, and it sorta kinda seemed plausible on the surface at the time, was that un who did not want to make states give up on the virus | 05:14 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, crap, how do I wrap long lines. That wasn't making much sense :-) | 05:14 |
| tinwhiskers | nevermind | 05:15 |
| LjL | ryouma, yeah okay, but nevermind the specifics of which decision what which, and look at what the italian WHO person says. i kind of want to "translate" what he's saying the way i understood it when i heard it, and still understand it, but i'd rather see how you interpret it first | 05:15 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, you can download the whole thing and just use your text editor | 05:16 |
| LjL | with raw | 05:16 |
| tinwhiskers | aye :-) | 05:16 |
| LjL | but by linking to the github thing i could link to the relevant line | 05:16 |
| ryouma | for the icc, nobody is going to be prosecuted there, and it is not entirely clear that any of the laws would apply. i do think heads should roll, but i want to see a non-political investigation done and i want the un who strengthened, not weakened. | 05:16 |
| LjL | (well, the start of it) | 05:16 |
| ryouma | (adn i want the icc strengtherend, btw.) | 05:17 |
| tinwhiskers | When was this LjL? | 05:17 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, April 15 | 05:17 |
| LjL | ryouma, no i'm not really saying people from the WHO would be prosecuted at the ICC, that's not really the ICC's purpose i guess, but i was just telling tinwhiskers that, yeah, the ICC may be connected to the UN but in practice the most important UN countries aren't signatories | 05:17 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i forget when the backpedaling on the masks happened | 05:18 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, according to hints from my logs, it was from *gasp* April 15 :P | 05:19 |
| LjL | well | 05:19 |
| LjL | or it was discussed in the same press conference | 05:19 |
| LjL | freenode/##covid-19/2020-04-15.log:[18:49:52] <LjL> A: This is both a qualitative and quantitative discussion. Quantitatively, we have some prerequisites, the system must be able to prevent circulation of the virus and guarantee safety at work and in families, as well as on public transport. Qualitatively, it depends on what we actually plan. The WHO's recommendation is still valid for people who are just walking in the street and don't need to go into | 05:19 |
| LjL | crowds: using masks for that is still not recommended. | 05:19 |
| ryouma | the world court also exists but i am less familiar with that one | 05:19 |
| ryouma | then there are regional bodies. but i'd want to know what actually occurred at the who before prosecuting anybody. | 05:20 |
| LjL | here he was basically saying the WHO's recommendation wasn't *wholesale* removed, but instead it was "slightly" changed so it only applied to open outdoors spaces where you had no one nearby | 05:20 |
| LjL | ryouma, tinwhiskers: i mean, sure, investigations typically precede going and prosecuting anybody. i'm by no means saying to chop heads off before figuring out whose heads they even are. | 05:21 |
| ryouma | although i have no context, i ahve a problem with your quote in that my impression as just a random observer was from that time and i don't recall anything about open outdoors spaces where you had no one nearby. | 05:24 |
| ryouma | my impression from the time was that who was preserving masks for hcw | 05:24 |
| ryouma | and that they did the wrong thing by not just telilng the truth | 05:25 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, but they said that the public wearing masks caused more danger than protection and that was wrong and possibly a lie. | 05:25 |
| tinwhiskers | at best a half-truth if you ignore "masks protect others" and only look at personal protection. | 05:26 |
| ryouma | i think it is worth considering that who, if funded by member states including the us, or if funding were allocated differently, or merely allocated to the purpose, could have stockpiled masks. just as the us could have updated its stockpile but did not. | 05:27 |
| ryouma | things like that are also blameworthy | 05:27 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't agree | 05:27 |
| ryouma | tinwhiskers: you don't think i disagree do you? | 05:27 |
| tinwhiskers | unless that was part of their mandate | 05:27 |
| tinwhiskers | it's up to countries to keep supplies. That's not a role of the WHO. | 05:27 |
| ryouma | the who has a constitution. it's pretty short. you can find out if it is its mandate. basically the who exists to ensure the highest attainable standard of health. this evolved into the right to health concept which is now international law. but weak. factsheet 31 is the place to look for what STATES must do to ensure health and what excuses they can make. probably nobody thought whether that applies to the W | 05:29 |
| ryouma | HO ITSELF, but idk. | 05:29 |
| tinwhiskers | under their advisory role though they should have (and may have for all I know) been advising countries maintain stocks | 05:29 |
| ryouma | well all that type of thing is perfectly worth investigating imo | 05:30 |
| LjL | <ryouma> although i have no context, i ahve a problem with your quote in that my impression as just a random observer was from that time and i don't recall anything about open outdoors spaces where you had no one nearby. ← he's SAYING that... | 05:30 |
| LjL | "The WHO's recommendation [to avoid masks] is still valid for people who are just walking in the street and don't need to go into crowds: using masks for that is still not recommended." | 05:30 |
| ryouma | ok i will ahve to read your document when i can | 05:30 |
| ryouma | but surely that is not the only thing you object to | 05:31 |
| ryouma | the who does stockpile ppe iirc, so there is at least the fact that it does it | 05:31 |
| LjL | ryouma, no that's not what i object to at all. that part i was showing tinwhiskers to demonstrate that April 15 was (around) when the WHO reversed their position on masks | 05:32 |
| tinwhiskers | presumably for its own personnel working in the field, not the entire world. | 05:32 |
| LjL | i did that by showing that the WHO's italian link tried to explain that they weren't reversing it wholesale | 05:32 |
| LjL | but only... wherever it mattered... like... in most cases *cough* | 05:33 |
| ryouma | tinwhiskers: no during this pandemic they are doing stuff to give stuff to countries | 05:33 |
| ryouma | not just their workers | 05:33 |
| ryouma | idk if that is their role or mandate or what, though | 05:33 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm | 05:33 |
| LjL | maybe that's why Trump defunded them, he was mad they were buying PPEs for *other* countries | 05:34 |
| tinwhiskers | The notion that the WHO should stockpile billions of masks doesn't make sense | 05:34 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, not billions but there are countries that are very vulnerable and have no equipment in general (i'm thinking Africa mostly) and i think the WHO did help them a fair bit during Ebola | 05:35 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, ok | 05:35 |
| ryouma | idk, might or might not. of course coutnries should. but what matters is humans. not governments. governments change, become failed states, humans become stateless, haiti has hurricanes, etc. | 05:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kazakhstan: +569 cases (now 20319) since 5 hours ago — Venezuela: +216 cases (now 4779), +2 deaths (now 41) since 23 hours ago — World: +863 cases (now 10.0 million), +2 deaths (now 497151) since an hour ago — South Korea: +51 cases (now 12653) since a day ago | 05:35 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, and it's in the world's interest, not just Africa, to (for example) make sure Africa is able to test people for COVID and get at least a vague idea of its prevalence there | 05:35 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, so if i were the WHO, i'd be trying to send test kits there. hopefully they are. | 05:35 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, maintaining some emergency stocks makes sense, but not in quantities for a pandemic, just an epidemic | 05:35 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 05:36 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, sorry for the earlier fuck you. i was angry. | 05:37 |
| tinwhiskers | I understand where you're coming from. | 05:37 |
| ryouma | whatever -- i think the role of the who in the pandemic is worth investigating. and also the role of countries in influencing the who. and maybe its aspirational stuff needs to be looked at in balance with that. and maybe its degree of fashionable stuff should also. but i think the who can serve useful purposes. | 05:37 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 05:37 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, uh... they found SARS-COV-2 in the wastewater in Barcelona for January 2020... *and* March 2019?! | 05:39 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 05:39 |
| LjL | well that's... interesting | 05:39 |
| tinwhiskers | needless to say I'm highly sceptical. | 05:39 |
| LjL | well it seems one of those things where there *has* to be a good explanation | 05:40 |
| tinwhiskers | January is plausible and the data makes sense (it increased over time). But the March 2019 looks like bunk to me. | 05:40 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, but if we assume the March 2019 result is bogus, then we can conclude that the January 2020 result isn't reliable, either, which is a problem, which in theory may extend to the tests in France and Italy too | 05:41 |
| tinwhiskers | not really, because they consistenyl found it after that point in increasing amounts so that looks quite possible. | 05:41 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, and we already have rumors of some PCR tests detecting the virus in plants and various really unlikely animals and other samples, i wouldn't want *that* sort of specificity | 05:42 |
| LjL | well i'll read the paper tomorrow | 05:42 |
| tinwhiskers | right. and they only did a single rep of the RT-PCR tests on those samples so you'd expect the normal false positive rate for that test. | 05:42 |
| LjL | ah, well they should definitely try that March 2019 one again :P | 05:43 |
| ryouma | so fwiw https://www.who.int/about/who-we-are/constitution | 05:43 |
| tinwhiskers | If we go testing remains of Neanderthals of we have some of those will test positive too. | 05:43 |
| tinwhiskers | That'll *really* make the headlines | 05:43 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, well we already established we're more related than we thought, right? | 05:44 |
| ryouma | it would be maybe a bit strange if a chinese virus didn't explode until after it hit spain | 05:44 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: unfortunately if the flase positive is due to contamination of their archived sample then further tests won't really show anything unless they have other samples stored separately. | 05:44 |
| LjL | ryouma, well this is not an isolated finding | 05:45 |
| LjL | it was found in December wastewater in Italy | 05:45 |
| tinwhiskers | further testing of that sample is not truly independent. | 05:45 |
| LjL | and in a December (dead) patient in France | 05:45 |
| LjL | and probably more than i forget | 05:45 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yes, but i'd do it anyway | 05:45 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, if it turns out negative (a couple of times maybe) then we can just chalk it off | 05:45 |
| tinwhiskers | However, if they test that sample again and it shows up negative at least they can show experimental error. | 05:46 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 05:46 |
| LjL | if it turns out positive than i guess we'll never really know for sure | 05:46 |
| tinwhiskers | right | 05:46 |
| ryouma | oh i meant exploded FIRST IN CHINA but after it hit countries outside china | 05:46 |
| ryouma | juist seems strange is all | 05:46 |
| LjL | ryouma, well, but also in the other countries where it exploded, it "waited", somehow | 05:46 |
| LjL | there was an obviou explosion in Italy in February, late February | 05:46 |
| ryouma | or just came from china the second time | 05:46 |
| LjL | and yet, it was here in December | 05:46 |
| ryouma | i mean there is lots of travel | 05:47 |
| LjL | to be fair, there's been a lot of talk of suspicious pneumonias back in December and even before | 05:47 |
| LjL | but talk is talk | 05:47 |
| LjL | ryouma, i assume if you find it in the wastewater samples, it can't have been from like, just one person who was travelling from China | 05:47 |
| tinwhiskers | it took a while to "Explode" in china and in the meantime a few individuals exported it to Italy, France, etc where it remained in low numbers for longer than in China because china had it quite a bit longer. | 05:47 |
| LjL | PCR is sensitive but it is not magical, is it? | 05:47 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, but ryouma has a point, i think, in that since this disease seems very transmissible, very exponential, at least until some plateau... why did it initially spread so slowly (seemingly)? | 05:48 |
| LjL | did we just ignore a ton of pneumonias and chalk them out as... pneumonias? | 05:48 |
| ryouma | LjL: i am prettyf ogged and idk if we are communicating but let me just try once more. it just seems a bit starnge that a virus from a bat in china, would travel to spain, fizzle out, then first explode in china, then get out of china again. | 05:48 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, I tend to agree it's unlikely and those other early discoveries are also incorrect but they are not entirely implausible. | 05:49 |
| LjL | that would indicate the WHO isn't the only health organization that's a bit inept | 05:49 |
| LjL | ryouma, nobody's saying it fizzled out. we're supposing it stayed in low enough numbers that nobody really noticed it. but it IS strange. | 05:49 |
| tinwhiskers | whereas the March 2019 tests are highly implausible | 05:49 |
| ryouma | well i think that is implausible | 05:49 |
| ryouma | it exploded quickly everywhere. why would it be slow last year? | 05:50 |
| LjL | i think those discoveries weren't really challenged | 05:50 |
| LjL | i may be wrong | 05:50 |
| LjL | ryouma, i don't know. why does it seem to be slowing down again, measures or no measures, in some places, yet rampant now in others (alas, yours)? | 05:50 |
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| tinwhiskers | I don't put much stock in the November test, but December is possible. | 05:50 |
| LjL | there's a lot of stuff i don't understand | 05:50 |
| ryouma | LjL: we don't have reasons for it slowing down? | 05:51 |
| tinwhiskers | I think it's more likely we'll find out all those tests are false positives | 05:51 |
| ryouma | or some of them | 05:51 |
| ryouma | i mean the earlier ones | 05:51 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 05:51 |
| tinwhiskers | err, all the earlier ones | 05:51 |
| LjL | i'm placing my bet on us being missing something on the way this virus spreads, and on how the R changes depending on circumstances | 05:52 |
| ryouma | well that would be good | 05:52 |
| LjL | it's a weak bet | 05:52 |
| tinwhiskers | So you think they really found it that early outside China? | 05:52 |
| LjL | i'm only betting the soul of Brainstorm | 05:52 |
| ryouma | because then we might have a thing to stop it or slow it | 05:52 |
| tinwhiskers | November seems like a huge stretch to me | 05:53 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i haven't seen those findings challenged, so while admittedly i haven't dug very deep, i don't see why i should dismiss them just because they don't fit with what we know (which is itself very tentative) | 05:53 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 05:53 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, usually when a study just sucks, at some point i see it that it's being openly challenged | 05:53 |
| tinwhiskers | I think it's not entirely implausible but far more likely to be wrong. | 05:53 |
| LjL | like that study saying it's "definitely airborne" | 05:53 |
| LjL | i bet it's airborne, but the study sucked | 05:54 |
| tinwhiskers | which it is... | 05:54 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. ok | 05:54 |
| LjL | yeah | 05:54 |
| LjL | but you can't take three or four countries | 05:54 |
| LjL | say, hey, look, this had masks on April 15, this one didn't | 05:54 |
| LjL | and do you see it kind of went down after April 15?! | 05:54 |
| LjL | without even considering a delay | 05:54 |
| LjL | it was ridiculous | 05:54 |
| LjL | i'm not a statistician, but i immediately had these thoughts, and when i saw the formal retraction request, it echoed just the same thoughts | 05:55 |
| tinwhiskers | :-/ | 05:55 |
| LjL | the retraction request being https://metrics.stanford.edu/PNAS%20retraction%20request%20LoE%20061820 | 05:55 |
| LjL | actually i think the first thing i said was that it seemed like a "political" study to me | 05:56 |
| LjL | they put some dodgy maths together to provide the political result they wanted: "masks are good" | 05:56 |
| ryouma | in any case it is true that the general impression being given by authorities was strantgely oriented toward surfaces | 05:56 |
| LjL | but the ends don't justify the means | 05:56 |
| LjL | (again) | 05:57 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, I think I recall that | 05:57 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, good, because i can't find it in the logs :) | 05:58 |
| LjL | so i can stop searching | 05:58 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: yes, again, it seems obvious to us, and I was certainly saying as much back in Feb about suspended aersols in rooms for 3 or more hours, the importance of ventilation, etc. It's all a bit bizarre. | 05:59 |
| LjL | partly because it's 6am gah | 05:59 |
| tinwhiskers | jesus. what are you still doing up? | 05:59 |
| LjL | i wish i knew | 05:59 |
| tinwhiskers | don't go to bed angry | 05:59 |
| ryouma | what is the status of the human coronaviruses? do they have the same transmission route proportions? | 05:59 |
| LjL | i have the sensation they haven't been researched a whole lot | 06:00 |
| ryouma | maybe that is why he is up | 06:00 |
| LjL | what was that... probably something nixonix said, something about traces of coronaviruses that were not SARS-(1|2) nor MERS nor the "cold" coronaviruses, but probably other coronaviruses that some humans got from animals | 06:00 |
| LjL | and we're just finding out those are a thing | 06:01 |
| LjL | but i can't go on 6am memories | 06:01 |
| LjL | "Surprisingly, we observed a differential pattern of SARS-CoV-2 specific T cell immunodominance in individuals with no history of SARS, COVID-19 or contact with SARS/COVID-19 patients (n=18). Half of them (9/18) possess T cells targeting the ORF-1 coded proteins NSP7 and 13, which were rarely detected in COVID-19- and SARS-recovered patients. Epitope characterization of NSP7-specific T cells showed recognition of protein fragments with low homology to | 06:02 |
| LjL | “common cold” human coronaviruses but conserved among animal betacoranaviruses." | 06:02 |
| LjL | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.26.115832v1 | 06:03 |
| LjL | bit eerie | 06:03 |
| LjL | to my ignorant self, it sounds like... we probably have a ton of potential other COVIDs that have *already* infected humans, and they're just waiting for the right mutation to *go on* infecting other humans, but the host "jump" happens all the time | 06:04 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, things jump all the time. It's largely a matter of luck. | 06:11 |
| tinwhiskers | That's why I found the china bashing so annoying. | 06:11 |
| tinwhiskers | "Estimations show that there are more than 1.6 million mammalian and waterfowl viruses, spanning 25 viral families known to cause human infections.4 Compared to just over 260 viruses known in humans,7 the unknown viruses represent 99.9% of potential zoonoses. These viruses usually remain undetected until they cause disease in humans." | 06:14 |
| tinwhiskers | "The PREDICT project has already discovered over 1000 viruses, including novel Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS)-like coronaviruses that can infect human cells." | 06:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 04:09 UTC: National: Coronavirus India lockdown Day 95 live updates | Over 5 lakh cases, 15,600 COVID-19 deaths in India → https://is.gd/aTkdCI | 06:16 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i find that 260 number astonishingly, perhaps worryingly low | 06:17 |
| tinwhiskers | That last one was published in 2018 | 06:17 |
| LjL | a testament to all that we don't know | 06:17 |
| LjL | like i don't know which virus is keeping me awake | 06:17 |
| LjL | but i went to bed and then i just didn't feel it | 06:17 |
| tinwhiskers | :-( | 06:18 |
| LjL | i've learned with COVID that viruses, especially RNA ones, mutate pretty darned fast. and we only know of 260 human viruses? doesn't check out | 06:18 |
| tinwhiskers | Seems about right | 06:19 |
| mjr[m] | they might mutuate but not turn into "new" viruses | 06:22 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 06:22 |
| mjr[m] | also yea i think alot of the chinabashing is a bit out-of-place | 06:22 |
| mjr[m] | yes, china has done things that should be criticized but | 06:23 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, for sure | 06:23 |
| mjr[m] | they shouldn't be chasised for single-handedly infecting the world or some shit | 06:23 |
| mjr[m] | coronas a respiratory virus ofc its gonna spread | 06:23 |
| tinwhiskers | agreed | 06:23 |
| tinwhiskers | They're an easy scapegoat since they are so thoroughly unlikeable :-/ | 06:24 |
| mjr[m] | esp. in the us it feels like chinabashing is just taking away stuff from what the us has been doing | 06:24 |
| tinwhiskers | yes | 06:24 |
| tinwhiskers | At least when you go through some places in Africa they now hate the chinese much more than us westerners | 06:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:12 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: US hits record daily case rise as Australia's testing blitz of clusters continues → https://is.gd/MKaZu2 | 06:25 |
| tinwhiskers | Here in Tonga most of the businesses are owned by Chinese as well and they just funnel most of the money spent here to China. And it's not somewhere that can afford much funnelling. | 06:26 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, and they're doing that with Europe too | 06:27 |
| LjL | Italy and Greece being primary targets | 06:27 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm no fan of the Chinese collectively as a country and I mostly feel similarly to the individuals I know as well, but they didn't cause this problem. | 06:27 |
| LjL | i'm sure it's coincidental that our government hasn't actually criticized China at all | 06:27 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, they're taking over the whole world economically | 06:27 |
| LjL | but rather thanked them for "buying us time" by sacrificing Wuhan | 06:27 |
| mjr[m] | which country? | 06:28 |
| LjL | but yeah maybe we should concentrate on them buying us all out rather than on a virus that just happened to start there | 06:28 |
| tinwhiskers | yes! | 06:28 |
| mjr[m] | basically yea | 06:28 |
| LjL | if they have mishandled it, and they probably have, there is also the fact we've mishandled it worse (not to mention the US) | 06:28 |
| tinwhiskers | we can't buy land in China so we should at least have reciprocal rules about foreign ownership | 06:29 |
| mjr[m] | u aussie? | 06:29 |
| tinwhiskers | me? kiwi | 06:29 |
| mjr[m] | i remember in '09 everyone was focused on china for the next flu outbreak and surprise! it breaks out in mexico | 06:29 |
| mjr[m] | ah close enough | 06:29 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 06:30 |
| mjr[m] | imo its hard to just blame "china" cuz imo any smart country would kinda do what they do | 06:31 |
| mjr[m] | at least in foriegn policy wise | 06:31 |
| mjr[m] | like the ppl there are gonna wanna invest worldwide because of course they do | 06:31 |
| mjr[m] | its more up to your own government | 06:31 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm sure most (?) countries would have been a bit more forthcoming about it | 06:31 |
| tinwhiskers | but that's China. No surprises there. | 06:32 |
| mjr[m] | not talkin about 'rona but more about the housing stuff and the chinese merchants n whatnot | 06:32 |
| tinwhiskers | oh | 06:32 |
| tinwhiskers | right | 06:32 |
| mjr[m] | imo they couldve handed 'rona better but their current response is, honestly, not the worst in the world lmao | 06:33 |
| tinwhiskers | :-) | 06:33 |
| mjr[m] | id say america esp. mishandeled it alot and also managed to cover it up in their own way | 06:33 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, they are at least as bad. | 06:33 |
| mjr[m] | basically what i'm trying to say is that its easy but not useful to demonize countries | 06:33 |
| mjr[m] | and more rather better to yes, still judge them, but understand why x happens in the country | 06:34 |
| tinwhiskers | how very reasonable | 06:34 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 05:35 UTC: Coronavirus India lockdown Day 95 live updates | Navi Mumbai to seal 10 places for seven days: Worldwide, the COVID-19 pandemic is taking a strong hold in populous nations like the U.S., Brazil, Indonesia, Pakistan, South Africa and Mexico. → https://is.gd/aTkdCI | 07:52 |
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| MrSenyaEU | to late :( | 12:34 |
| MrSenyaEU | covid vinns | 12:35 |
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| MrSenyaEU | ui | 14:12 |
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| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Bill Gates calls U.S. response to COVID-19 crisis ’embarrassing’ compared to other countries (10056 votes) | https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-gates-calls-u-s-response-covid-19-crisis-embarrassing-compared-countries/ | https://redd.it/hgoam3 | 16:42 |
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| LjL | python476: covidly fine, but I'm feeling depressed as fuck, perhaps when covid was a more immediately pressing concern I was better in a way, something to focus on | 17:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:02 UTC: (news): 'I still have nightmares every night' — health workers struggle with PTSD symptoms as coronavirus takes toll → https://is.gd/hXZQxt | 17:10 |
| python476 | LjL: hi there | 17:14 |
| python476 | not unusual.. | 17:15 |
| python476 | how your daily life now ? | 17:15 |
| python476 | I don't even know if Italy lockdown is lifted :) | 17:15 |
| python476 | (ps: I went through the post stress period too, it's weirdly hard) | 17:16 |
| LjL | python476: the lockdown is lifted, we have to wear masks everywhere in Lombardy though and shops and public transport are still limited to some amount of people and the rest need to queue (which is good but annoying) | 17:18 |
| LjL | It's very hot and some people start to find it a genuine challenge to wear masks | 17:18 |
| LjL | Others never did | 17:18 |
| LjL | 31.5C today on my balcony | 17:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:06 UTC: Coronavirus US: Miami to close beaches as cases rise in more than 30 states – live: US deaths from Covid-19 have surpassed 125,000 Survivors could lose insurance if Trump wins bid to repeal Obamacare Texas becomes a model for inadequate pandemic response Sign up to our First Thing newsletter 4.06pm BST → https://is.gd/IBNnEO | 17:20 |
| python476 | for some reason I'm the only guy whose face doesn't overheat due to masks | 17:20 |
| python476 | so nobody in your close ones is ill and you can go out now ? | 17:21 |
| LjL | python476, maybe you have zombie breath | 17:21 |
| LjL | python476, yes, that sounds right | 17:21 |
| LjL | should be a sigh of relief right? | 17:21 |
| python476 | or maybe I patched my organs with a peltier cooler ! | 17:21 |
| python476 | LjL: yeah, on paper it is | 17:22 |
| LjL | you might do that | 17:22 |
| python476 | at least it gives you open roads to find what's next | 17:22 |
| python476 | rather than being stuck waiting | 17:22 |
| LjL | but i was stuck waiting, like in general, before covid. when covid came i made a channel and patched my bot to do related things and spent time figuring out what to buy and how | 17:24 |
| LjL | after the initial fights with my parents who didn't realize how serious it was, it was not so bad | 17:25 |
| LjL | except for the ones who are dead ~ | 17:25 |
| python476 | and no opportunity interests you right now ? | 17:27 |
| LjL | no, actually whenever i think of something the thought of just how uninterested i actually am in it makes me more depressed | 17:29 |
| LjL | uninterested, not up to it, or both | 17:29 |
| LjL | probably one is masking the other in some cases | 17:30 |
| python476 | so right now your comfort zone is paradoxically not your comfort zone | 17:30 |
| python476 | but in any case it's cool you went through unharmed | 17:30 |
| python476 | the rest will come | 17:30 |
| LjL | something like that, but it was this way before COVID too | 17:30 |
| python476 | I got that | 17:30 |
| python476 | btw I got a job | 17:31 |
| python476 | so I'm trying to unstuck myself | 17:31 |
| LjL | physical or remote? | 17:31 |
| python476 | physical | 17:31 |
| LjL | scary | 17:31 |
| python476 | I'm quite ~careless tbh | 17:31 |
| python476 | I wear a mask not enough, work doesn't give us one everyday | 17:32 |
| LjL | COVID wasn't really what i had in mind about it being scary, not mainly anyway | 17:32 |
| python476 | the most dangerous part right now is the boredom of all the employees, their very average mentality and the passive aggressive fucktard who accuses me of botching the job | 17:32 |
| python476 | LjL: oh so it's socialphobia scary ? | 17:33 |
| LjL | yes | 17:33 |
| LjL | i think i have a very average mentality under the guise of some now half-assed attempt at cleverness that's only vaguely remindful of the way i used to be | 17:34 |
| LjL | well | 17:34 |
| LjL | what is the job about? | 17:34 |
| python476 | wait a second | 17:35 |
| python476 | you don't expect me to parse your previous sentence that fast | 17:35 |
| LjL | you can take your time, that's the beauty of iRC | 17:35 |
| LjL | oh lord iRC makes it sound like an Apple thing now | 17:35 |
| python476 | you're an ex smartass that became meh due to life chaos ? | 17:35 |
| python476 | did I read right ? | 17:36 |
| LjL | partly life chaos, partly other things, partly i was never so very smart and it was all a delusion fueled by some adults in the past | 17:36 |
| python476 | oh like precocious child praised too often ? | 17:36 |
| LjL | yeah | 17:37 |
| python476 | I'm assisting some courtroom employees, it's mainly secretary style tasks. | 17:37 |
| python476 | it's badly organized, badly tooled (software is really getting in the way) but that would be ok. Now my colleagues are being mean | 17:37 |
| python476 | and as an ex smartass I find it insufferable to be insulted by lazy peons | 17:38 |
| python476 | I called a guy who has a carwash business, I think that would suit me very well | 17:38 |
| python476 | and being soaked in soapy water is cool these days :D | 17:38 |
| python476 | (in case I decide to quit) | 17:38 |
| LjL | at least you always took my insults lightly | 17:38 |
| python476 | because we were somehow similar I suppose | 17:39 |
| python476 | and you're not my boss | 17:39 |
| python476 | I would gladly insult that lady to death but she's a colleague so I caved in | 17:39 |
| LjL | outright insulting a subordinate is mean | 17:39 |
| python476 | it's not insult insult tbh, it was more accusation of slacking off and/or not doing things right (but when showing me, it was exactly what she asked for) | 17:40 |
| python476 | then passive aggressive remarks as in "well you could ask me if I need help when you have nothing to do.." | 17:40 |
| LjL | well only you can know whether you felt insulted and, hence, whether it was an insult | 17:40 |
| LjL | </sjw> | 17:40 |
| python476 | heh | 17:40 |
| python476 | that's why I'm gonna have a calm chat before going full feminist >< | 17:40 |
| LjL | calm chat with boss for insulting | 17:41 |
| LjL | you better send some CVs to a few car washes | 17:41 |
| python476 | but legally I cant quit cold turkey | 17:41 |
| python476 | i may owe them money if I do :D | 17:41 |
| LjL | yikes | 17:41 |
| LjL | but what is it, two weeks? more? | 17:41 |
| python476 | 3 weeks | 17:42 |
| python476 | on a 3 month contract | 17:42 |
| python476 | you ever worked remotely ? | 17:42 |
| LjL | well worst case you stay there but do nothing at all, and when they complain about it, you can be like "okay, then fire me!" | 17:42 |
| LjL | not unless nightly VNC sessions count | 17:42 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 17:43 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 310250 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 43514 deaths (14.0% of cases) as of 16 minutes ago. 8.9 million tests were performed (3.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 17:43 |
| python476 | LjL: I see you have fine job trolling skills | 17:43 |
| LjL | i've always been better at theory than practice | 17:43 |
| LjL | for example i got interesting in phonetics and linguistics more in general, i believe, because i can't learn languages good and i can't understand spoken things and i can't produce speech that's not obviously wrong - and that's despite knowing some phonetics nuances that 99% of people probably don't | 17:44 |
| LjL | i got interested* QED | 17:44 |
| python476 | electrodynamics ? | 17:46 |
| python476 | that's quite a jump from linguistics :D but polymathy is a real thing | 17:46 |
| python476 | seems you prefer to spend your time on subject that deeply interest you | 17:47 |
| LjL | wait where does electrodynamics spur from | 17:47 |
| python476 | QED | 17:47 |
| python476 | quantum electrodynamics | 17:47 |
| python476 | what else | 17:47 |
| LjL | ... oh | 17:47 |
| LjL | QED (text editor), a 1960s line-oriented editor | 17:48 |
| LjL | looks much more interesting | 17:48 |
| LjL | Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson and Brian Kernighan wrote the QED manuals used at Bell Labs.[5][6][7] Given that the authors were the primary developers of the Unix operating system, it is natural that QED had a strong influence on the classic UNIX text editors ed, sed and their descendants | 17:49 |
| python476 | oh ok.. wrong turn | 17:50 |
| LjL | actually QED was Quod Erat Demonstrandum but sure you knew that | 17:51 |
| python476 | yeah but I misread totally | 17:52 |
| python476 | I thought you were listing all your favorite topics lol | 17:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Florida, US: +9585 cases (now 132545), +24 deaths (now 3390) since 19 hours ago — Karnataka, India: +918 cases (now 11923), +11 deaths (now 191) since 10 hours ago — Goa, India: +89 cases (now 1128) since 10 hours ago — Delhi, India: +2948 cases (now 80188), +66 deaths (now 2558) since 10 hours ago | 17:53 |
| LjL | python476, no i was demonstrating Muphry's law | 17:54 |
| LjL | or a subtle variant theseof | 17:54 |
| LjL | thereof ffs | 17:55 |
| LjL | and ffs here isn't the Amiga's FastFileSystem | 17:55 |
| danielp3344 | lol | 17:55 |
| python476 | amiga, too much, too early | 17:56 |
| python476 | o/ danielp3344 | 17:56 |
| danielp3344 | howdy | 17:56 |
| LjL | python476, well my A1200 gets on IRC using WiFi | 17:56 |
| LjL | how many other 1992 computers do you know that can do that | 17:57 |
| LjL | okay probably a few | 17:57 |
| python476 | personally I know none, but that's mainly because I never date Amigas | 17:58 |
| LjL | at least it stays on IRC for probably an average of 10 minutes minimum, before it crashes due to the bright idea of having a multitasking system (the first one for a home computer, at that) without memory protection | 17:58 |
| danielp3344 | I'd expect to see an ESP8266 running the irc client and a serial cable :P | 17:58 |
| LjL | python476, not into Spaniards? | 17:58 |
| python476 | there are many, but 1992 ESP8266 are quite rare | 17:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 15:54 UTC: nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 27JUN20 → https://is.gd/L1CKzq | 17:58 |
| LjL | the UI of HexChat (well, X-Chat anyway) is actually inspired by that of AmIRC originally | 17:59 |
| danielp3344 | python476: no I mean you could plug any 1992 computer into that and have an irc client | 17:59 |
| LjL | which i use to get on IRC on the Amiga, although there's another client too, but it's a much later one | 17:59 |
| python476 | only https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.CENdnY6GMJqvMKYxC5WkywAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1 LjL | 17:59 |
| danielp3344 | I mean does that amiga actually have 1992 wifi hardware? | 17:59 |
| LjL | danielp3344, that's cheating | 17:59 |
| python476 | danielp3344: oh bridging I see | 17:59 |
| python476 | yeah show us your voodoo | 17:59 |
| LjL | danielp3344, no because there was no WiFi hardware in 1992 afaik, but it simply has a 16-bit WiFi PCMCIA card in its PCMCIA slot | 17:59 |
| LjL | and it doesn't use it as just a serial gateway | 18:00 |
| python476 | wat | 18:00 |
| python476 | had no idea 1) pcmcia was so old, 2) a1200 add one | 18:00 |
| python476 | oh it does https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.shopify.com%2Fs%2Ffiles%2F1%2F0031%2F8445%2F9846%2Fproducts%2F2_91fb86ae-69c8-43a3-825d-e965a78abf7d_1024x1024%402x.jpg%3Fv%3D1578619288&f=1&nofb=1 | 18:00 |
| LjL | python476, PCMCIA is pretty old but the Amiga 1200 and 600 were actually released before the PCMCIA specs were finalized, so aside from only supporting 16-bit cards because 32-bit ones came later, it has a number of quirks. but there are enough ethernet and wifi cards that do work | 18:01 |
| LjL | python476, so technically it had a PCMCIA slot before PCMCIA existed | 18:01 |
| python476 | once again, Amiga did it first | 18:01 |
| ludeti_home[m] | listen, members of matrix cov19 room, cov19 is a scam, do not follow, love is the only way to get through this, thank you for your help. | 18:01 |
| python476 | here's another anachronic hack https://www.anfractuosity.com/projects/rainbow/ | 18:02 |
| python476 | colors on bw CRT | 18:02 |
| LjL | python476, it also has (again like the 600, IIRC, which is even more interesting in a sense because the 600 is barely more than a 500 in terms of CPU and RAM, 7MHz 68000 and 1MB) an IDE controller, which at that time was the cheap choice (other big-box Amigas had SCSI, but the 500 and friends had nothing standard, there were only "sidecar" hard drives for them), and that is very convenient today because IDE-to-CompactFlash slots are very cheap, as | 18:03 |
| LjL | CompactFlash is basically a miniaturized IDE standard device, and you can just pop in a 4GB card and use it | 18:03 |
| LjL | ludeti_home[m], i'm on the IRC channel so i guess that doesn't apply to me | 18:03 |
| LjL | ludeti_home[m], but also calling a scam something that killed 40k people in my country is something unwelcome here | 18:04 |
| LjL | so i might use love but i'm more tempted to use a ban | 18:04 |
| LjL | python476, "The monitor has a resolution of 2048×1536" that's a pretty crazy resolution for a B&W monitor, but i guess they mean the single actual pixels, which is usually not the maximum attainable resolution from something connected to it... | 18:05 |
| python476 | I think there was quite a few high res monitors on the market in the days | 18:06 |
| LjL | looks like there's some misalignment off-center | 18:06 |
| python476 | because early monitors were for pros | 18:06 |
| LjL | so the colors only work towards the center | 18:06 |
| LjL | ah | 18:06 |
| LjL | hmm | 18:06 |
| LjL | well the Amiga has a "productivity" mode that's 640x480 and black and white... not a terribly high resolution, but unlike other Amiga modes, it produced square pixels without using an interlaced mode (which is good for TV, useless for, indeed, "productivity") | 18:07 |
| python476 | man old days were funky | 18:07 |
| LjL | and then i think using ECS there was a 1024x1024 or similar mode, but i never could make it work on my, erm, TV, but i *guess* it worked on some particular Amiga monitor for pros | 18:08 |
| python476 | give 640x480 for anybody today and they'll file a federal complaint | 18:08 |
| LjL | python476, a lot more interesting than now | 18:08 |
| python476 | "he assaulted me with pixels" | 18:08 |
| ludeti_home[m] | just do what you feel, the scam is not the dicease, the scam is the way his dicease is used to put us in a mental jail | 18:08 |
| LjL | python476, well i could only use 640x256 because setting a 640x512 interlaced mode would literally blow up my eyes | 18:08 |
| LjL | and also text would become nearly illegible on the TV | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Luxembourg: +44 cases (now 4217) since 19 hours ago — Czechia: +120 cases (now 11164) since 7 hours ago — Indiana, US: +435 cases (now 44575), +21 deaths (now 2616) since 19 hours ago — US: +1892 cases (now 2.6 million), +23 deaths (now 127797) since 20 minutes ago | 18:08 |
| LjL | but, there was also overscan, so if your monitor/TV edges were kinda empty, you could make the nominally-640 modes actually wider, up to 720xsomething | 18:09 |
| LjL | right now my A1200 has an LCD 5:4 monitor, one of the few that was still in production a couple of years ago when i got it, and i can ALMOST make it fill the whole screen at a good resolution, except it makes me mad because i can't get rid of black vertical bars, and i've tried in pretty much every way | 18:10 |
| LjL | i can't even remember the monitor's brand because my memory is 640kB which is, turns out, NOT enough for everyone | 18:10 |
| LjL | but | 18:10 |
| LjL | oh god forum software is hideous | 18:12 |
| LjL | BenQ, it's a BenQ monitor | 18:13 |
| LjL | python476, i had to go to http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?78792-Amiga-VIDEO-VGA-Adapters-amp-Cables-DELUXE and Ctrl+F for "LjL" to remember | 18:13 |
| LjL | i think i've basically devolved my memory to google, i can remember how to search for something but not the thing itself | 18:13 |
| LjL | in the best of cases | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:08 UTC: Coronavirus US: New York sees steady decline in cases and deaths as other states face rapid rises – live: US deaths from Covid-19 have surpassed 125,000 Reopening plans reverse quickly amid alarming increase in cases Survivors could lose insurance if Trump wins bid to repeal Obamacare Texas becomes a model for [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/IBNnEO | 18:18 |
| python476 | hi back | 18:20 |
| python476 | was repairing a led light bulb | 18:21 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: A Texas county judge’s letter prompted by the toxic response he’s received over a mandatory mask order: “When did it happen that we all became so focused on our rights and not our obligations to our fellow man and woman?” (10718 votes) | https://kfdm.com/news/local/judge-branick-writes-letter-to-citizens-explaining-mask-order | https://redd.it/hgsvjz | 18:24 |
| LjL | python476, good for you you can repair things, i am partly cranky because i got (back) into cassettes except both of the decks i bought are malfunctioning, and so is the radio built into the amplifier in the full stereo set i bought (because somehow i wanted to buy just a tape deck and instead ended up getting the whole shebang), and aside from the fact i have how idea how to even start fixing them on my own, internet forums are just full of big egos who | 18:25 |
| LjL | can barely understand english and don't actually read what i write because they think they already know i'm just clueless, so why bother reading the details | 18:25 |
| LjL | and then they start contradicting each other as well as being condescending towards me | 18:26 |
| LjL | so this 15kg or so of stereo are probably best used to whack onto their heads | 18:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 16:16 UTC: Transporters in Kashmir turn vehicles into kiosks: Unable to work since lockdown, operators of private passenger vehicles seek govt. intervention → https://is.gd/5BBGWN | 18:27 |
| python476 | LjL: bro I can't repair shit | 18:28 |
| python476 | this bulb just happened to have a loose wire | 18:28 |
| python476 | it's a super weird design | 18:28 |
| python476 | also old audio devices require electronics, analog, and electromechanical knowledge. quite wide | 18:29 |
| LjL | yeah :( | 18:30 |
| LjL | i bought this thing because the seller said it was serviced 4 years ago | 18:30 |
| alexander[m]5 | > /r/covid19: Antibody Responses to SARS-CoV-2 at 8 Weeks Postinfection in Asymptomatic Patients (86 votes) | https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/10/20-2211_article | https://redd.it/hg4csw | 18:30 |
| alexander[m]5 | extremely small group size. Hard to put the value of this study in a broader view. | 18:30 |
| LjL | but these smartasses on tapeheads.net said "serviced" means nothing as it's "full of incompetent people who call themselves servicemen" on ebay | 18:30 |
| python476 | make a youtube video and let people give hints maybe ? | 18:30 |
| LjL | but, it's very clean inside, i can believe it's been serviced | 18:30 |
| python476 | you feelings about forums are .. too familiar | 18:30 |
| LjL | it's also possible that it got knocked about pretty hard by DHL, since it has a dent that the seller confirms wasn't there before (and i can see it wasn't there in his pictures on ebay) | 18:31 |
| python476 | when I worked at a truck repair shop, people were talking down to me one on one, but when together you could see they were all winging things with luck | 18:31 |
| python476 | nobody had a single idea of what was the real true way | 18:31 |
| LjL | but now my time to file an ebay case has run out, because i've trusted the seller with getting DHL to pay some insurance money, which i doubt is happening | 18:31 |
| python476 | yeah transportation is super lame | 18:31 |
| python476 | how much you spent ? | 18:31 |
| python476 | 400 ? | 18:31 |
| python476 | 40 ? | 18:31 |
| LjL | 260 with shipping | 18:32 |
| python476 | ouh, pretty invested | 18:32 |
| LjL | yeah | 18:32 |
| python476 | you'll have to be patient now | 18:32 |
| LjL | it's a nice set, or it could be | 18:32 |
| LjL | of course most people would consider it trash since they'd just play music from their computer | 18:32 |
| LjL | and i can't blame them | 18:32 |
| python476 | what model is it ? | 18:32 |
| LjL | but i'm probably try to sneak back into the nineties | 18:33 |
| python476 | yeah people a throwing devices every day | 18:33 |
| python476 | I've seen full blown Denon devices | 18:33 |
| python476 | it's super weird to see how luxurious things are now void of value | 18:33 |
| LjL | python476, before getting this thing, i was actually using an amplifier (and also had a very imposing radio receiver, but wasn't using that one) that my dad found next to the building's trashcan | 18:33 |
| LjL | it has let me play music decently for many years | 18:33 |
| python476 | heh | 18:34 |
| python476 | trashcans are my friend | 18:34 |
| LjL | python476, Denon was like number 4. as in, i had 3 decks that i kinda really wanted, and then there was also a Denon and something else but they were less interesting | 18:34 |
| python476 | I actually brought back a hp laptop today ~_~ | 18:34 |
| LjL | python476, anyway, Yamaha, the tape deck is KX-10, and the receiver is RX-10 | 18:34 |
| LjL | Yamaha "Classic Line 10" i believe the line is called | 18:34 |
| python476 | for parts, but last week I found the psu for a core i5 hp laptop I had on shelves | 18:34 |
| LjL | it looks neat, alternatives were the "Sony La Scala", which is a bit pretentious | 18:34 |
| LjL | and the Onkyo "Liverpool" which has an interesting amplifier | 18:35 |
| python476 | oh wow never seen 90s yamaha style like that | 18:35 |
| ivanodapice[m] | <LjL "It's very hot and some people st"> I live in Pompei (NA) and the other day i needed to go out to do some stuff and yeah, it was really hard to walk with the mask on. Every now and then i had to take a breath of fresh air | 18:35 |
| LjL | perks of each: the Yamaha KX-10 has "play trim", which is really just a treble knob but it gets applied to specific frequencies and before the Dolby circuit, and is incredibly handy to make old tapes where the Dolby is no longer tracking well (which makes them sound dull) sound right again. it also has auto-calibration for recording, but recording is the part that doesn't work right, i think | 18:36 |
| python476 | oh they even had MD modules | 18:36 |
| python476 | hnng | 18:36 |
| LjL | yes | 18:36 |
| LjL | i don't have that though | 18:36 |
| LjL | i have the receiver (here was also a separate amplifier + radio option, but i like having them in one, *except* the radio doesn't work, i don't like *that*) | 18:36 |
| LjL | and i have the CD and the tape deck | 18:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 16:18 UTC: Trump visits private golf course as US battles rapid surge in coronavirus cases: US president heads to Virginia a day after saying he’d stay in Washington DC to ‘make sure law and order is enforced’ amid ongoing anti-racism protests → https://is.gd/78N2sY | 18:37 |
| LjL | the Sony TC-S1 has Dolby S, which is rare, but apart from that, it's probably worse than the Yamaha, it's only 2 heads, although that lets it have autoreverse | 18:37 |
| LjL | and the Onkyo K-611 was interesting because it has a "normal" tape door (except with some ejection mechanism to make it take up less space), while the other models, since they are all "mini" models (actually large as fuck, but the idea was to make them smaller than standard hifi components), they have a tray loading mechanism, so you load cassettes like you load CDs | 18:38 |
| python476 | and so what's malfunctionning on your deck ? | 18:39 |
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| python476 | total power failure or partial playing ? | 18:39 |
| LjL | python476, can you read this? http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=79950 people randomly tell me that they have to be logged in to access it, but sometimes not. you certainly can't open images though. again, fuck forums | 18:39 |
| LjL | python476, no, the deck appears to work and afaict the mechanism is fine (but i can't tell much). but the quality on playback *of at least its own recordings*, because i haven't noticed this on older recordings made elsewhere yet, is quite abysmal... in a bit of a random way: i play it twice, it sounds good one time, and bad another time. i've tried using a program called WFGUI to pin it down (it measures "wow and flutter" given a recording of a 3150Hz | 18:40 |
| LjL | tone) but its numbers keep changing, too. some people tell me i need to buy a test cassette, some tell me it's pointless to buy a test cassette *sigh* | 18:40 |
| LjL | but numbers aside, my ears can tell the piano music i've recorded just sounds shit | 18:41 |
| python476 | yeah I can read all | 18:41 |
| LjL | and i've mainly bought this deck for recording, since for playing i bought a walkman :x that was cheaper | 18:41 |
| python476 | so the recording line is fubared but the rest works | 18:42 |
| LjL | python476, well spoilers, that's not the thread where i talk about the malfunction of the tape deck... although i mention the malfunction of the receiver. i just list the pros and cons of the models i've encountered in a bit of an OCD way. but anyway you can look the models up and see if you agree with my aesthetics choice. | 18:42 |
| LjL | python476, i really don't know if the recording is actually the problem | 18:42 |
| LjL | python476, because, if it *always* sounded bad, then i'd know it is | 18:42 |
| LjL | but, on the one hand it seems to do it only with its own recordings; on the other, sometimes it does play them back okay | 18:42 |
| python476 | could be a multifactorial failure | 18:43 |
| LjL | maybe it's just that the W&F is at the limit of "hearably crappy" (but in a way that changes at every playback), and so when i use tapes recorded elsewhere i don't hear it, while when i record tapes on the thing itself, the W&F during recording adds up to the one during playback | 18:43 |
| LjL | honestly when i play back cassettes recorded elsewhere, i'm not very sophisticated soundwise really, but it can sound grand | 18:43 |
| LjL | obviously depending on the cassette, too, but it makes some cassettes that sound dull in my walkman sound really good instead | 18:44 |
| python476 | if it 'can' play good once, it's ok | 18:44 |
| python476 | unless some weird interfering/coupling link from old age | 18:45 |
| LjL | python476, the CD player is really fancy too, i didn't care about it initially, but it's fun (and i hope THAT one isn't faulty at least!), it's basically fully intended to be used for recording CDs to cassette. the other alternative sets probably have similar features too, but they also need to use special cables to connect the components so that they cooperate, which is a bit of a bummer in case i ever want to use them separately. the Yamaha has no | 18:46 |
| LjL | connections instead (apart from the audio ones), but instead the CD player's remote control has a "Synchro" button that lets CD playback start just as cassette recording also starts, and that's one thing. another cool thing is it has a "Peak" button where the CD player scans the entire CD "very" quickly (well, sort of quickly), and finds the spot with the highest volume, so that you can easily set the tape's recording level according to that, instead of | 18:46 |
| LjL | hunting for it manually | 18:46 |
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| LjL | and it has a "Tape length" function, you tell it the length of the tape (i think some other sets where there is a connection between the components, it's the tape deck that finds out the tape's length automatically... but well, here it's manual) and it arranges the tracks so that there is no break between side A and B | 18:47 |
| LjL | python476, it's a model from 1995-2000, as far as these people get equipment, this is practically new | 18:47 |
| LjL | they even say it's unlikely to be the belt because it should still be in good shape | 18:48 |
| LjL | unfortunately i can't *reach* the belt without dismantling more than i'm comfortable with | 18:48 |
| LjL | python476, well wonderful, i was actually going to make a video, and it has developed a new fault (although it's done it intermittently): instead of accepting a cassette it starts making "click click click click" and doesn't load it | 18:52 |
| Birrosso | !cases us | 18:52 |
| LjL | %cases US | 18:52 |
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| Brainstorm | LjL: In US, there have been 2.6 million confirmed cases (0.8% of the population) and 127845 deaths (5.0% of cases) as of 4 minutes ago. 31.3 million tests were performed (8.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming testing prevalence) and less than 10.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries).. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 18:52 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 2,573,727 cases as of 2020-06-27 16:33:00 UTC. Of these 1,376,200 (53.5%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 1,069,684 (41.6%) have definitely recovered and 127,843 (5.0%) have died. | 18:52 |
| Birrosso | Nice numbers. c: | 18:53 |
| python476 | LjL does the cd->tape recording link is the same as the one you used for your recording tests ? | 18:53 |
| LjL | python476, yes and no, everything goes through the amplifier, but i recorded some music from a CD, while the 3150Hz test tone was recorded from the computer | 18:54 |
| python476 | (I think the peak and synchro are mentioned in one hifi youtuber channel, it sounds very familiar) | 18:54 |
| python476 | ok | 18:54 |
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| LjL | python476, i actually bought an external sound card (shitty thing, lots of DC offset) because my computer otherwise only have a combined headphones+microphone jack like phones | 18:55 |
| LjL | python476, techmoan? | 18:55 |
| python476 | most probably yeah | 18:55 |
| LjL | python476, that channel is dangerous | 18:55 |
| python476 | oh come on | 18:55 |
| python476 | you mean too much good content ? | 18:55 |
| LjL | it makes one want to buy things | 18:55 |
| python476 | oh right | 18:55 |
| LjL | and they are invaribaly expensive things BECAUSE techmoan mentioned them | 18:55 |
| python476 | there's also technology connection or something similar | 18:55 |
| LjL | python476, this whole tape deck quest started from a techmoan video (since i originally just wanted to get a walkman, and i did) | 18:56 |
| python476 | but techmoan has weirder electronics | 18:56 |
| python476 | maybe it's just the recording head that is dirty or misaligned | 18:56 |
| python476 | even when open it's unreachable ? | 18:56 |
| LjL | python476, this video https://youtu.be/jVoSQP2yUYA?t=691 he wanted to try Dolby S and he bought the Sony TC-S1 deck which is the one i *very* nearly bought instead of the Yamaha, i was about to conclude, then this Yamaha set come along and it was nommier (aside from the lack of Dolby S but honestly it's a gimmick) | 18:58 |
| LjL | python476, the heads, capstan and pinch roller are reachable when it's open, and i've cleaned them all with isopropyl | 18:59 |
| python476 | oh ok | 18:59 |
| LjL | as to misalignment though there's not much i can do myself | 18:59 |
| python476 | yeah.. | 18:59 |
| python476 | and if it's a cap/res out of spec on the line it's subtle | 18:59 |
| ludeti_home[m] | python476: LjL I am a geek too, but i think you are not in the appropriate room . | 19:00 |
| ludeti_home[m] | @to the man behind the scene, on iRC, what do you thing about it? | 19:02 |
| LjL | ludeti_home[m], i am that man | 19:03 |
| LjL | and i think that this channel has become basically devoid of any COVID content except for my bot posting stuff | 19:03 |
| LjL | if any content does happen, it generally pertains to how the bot should post other news than the ones it does | 19:03 |
| LjL | so i'm going to override topicality and just not give a fuck | 19:03 |
| LjL | python476, this is the thread where i discussed my woes http://www.tapeheads.net/showthread.php?t=82933 but it's long, unless you want to read it all to just understand why people are annoying me, and since you can't view the W&F screenshots anyway, just listen to this ... except... i was thinking i had a much more obvious example posted. instead i don't. https://sndup.net/2qjm/short-gould.flac see if you can hear what's wrong... but it may not be fair | 19:05 |
| LjL | since i have the CD to compare it tio | 19:05 |
| LjL | in this one i don't really hear it during every note, it's worse in some. it sounds a bit like a toy piano | 19:05 |
| LjL | flangey sound | 19:05 |
| python476 | yes lol | 19:05 |
| LjL | tremolo sort of thing | 19:05 |
| python476 | it's flangey | 19:05 |
| python476 | you took the word out my fingertips | 19:05 |
| LjL | sometimes it's worse | 19:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 16:58 UTC: (news): Coronavirus UK map: How many confirmed cases are there in your area? → https://is.gd/8rLBbe | 19:05 |
| python476 | first thing that came to mind | 19:06 |
| LjL | well it's a damned shame | 19:06 |
| python476 | apparently flange is made by small phase shift | 19:06 |
| LjL | if i even found any repair shop that's competent around here... they'll most likely charge me just as much as i paid for these | 19:06 |
| python476 | surely | 19:06 |
| LjL | python476, well that's another way to say "the speed changes quickly" | 19:06 |
| python476 | you could buy a sony scala | 19:06 |
| LjL | oh i'm not going to throw away more money in things that likely don't work now ;( | 19:07 |
| ludeti_home[m] | LjL: sorry to bother you, see you maybe in another room | 19:08 |
| Jigsy | >Coronavirus UK map: How many confirmed cases are there in your area? | 19:08 |
| Jigsy | That reads like one of those annoying ads. | 19:09 |
| Jigsy | "MEET HOT SINGLE COVID-19 SUFFERERS IN YOUR AREA!" | 19:09 |
| LjL | for your information and/or entertainment | 19:09 |
| LjL | since joining, ludeti_home sent *five* messages in total | 19:10 |
| LjL | the first one being <ludeti_home[m]> listen, members of matrix cov19 room, cov19 is a scam, do not follow, love is the only way to get through this, thank you for your help. | 19:10 |
| LjL | so fuck ludeti_home and good riddance | 19:10 |
| LjL | Jigsy, well not a bad idea, if you have COVID-19 you can't, uhm, release your energies with anyone who *doesn't* have it, and it's actually illegal in most places | 19:10 |
| LjL | but how about someone who does | 19:10 |
| Jigsy | Like a one-on-one pox party? | 19:11 |
| LjL | sorta | 19:11 |
| LjL | well no | 19:11 |
| LjL | that's meant to *give* others pox | 19:11 |
| LjL | this one, you assume you both have it | 19:11 |
| LjL | hopefully with good reasons to assume so | 19:11 |
| LjL | only hurdle is, you aren't legally allowed to leave your home if you do have COVID... | 19:11 |
| Jigsy | I wonder how many tests being carried out are erroenous at the moment. | 19:12 |
| LjL | surely many false negatives | 19:12 |
| Jigsy | "Your body temperature is really high..." "Well, it's June, what do you expect?" | 19:12 |
| LjL | i'm unclear on false positives | 19:12 |
| Jigsy | Though that won't work in the Southern Hemisphere at the moment. | 19:12 |
| Jigsy | Them and their weird concept of seasons. | 19:12 |
| LjL | Jigsy, oh my mom actually went to the hairdresser and they measured 37.6°C on her... which is technically illegal to be around with. but she had tested her temperature before leaving and it was safely inside 36 | 19:13 |
| LjL | so she just got overheated outside in the sun | 19:13 |
| danielp3344 | LjL: measured how? | 19:13 |
| Jigsy | Thermal Imaging camera I guess. | 19:13 |
| danielp3344 | infrared thermometers aren't really accurate for this sort of thing | 19:13 |
| LjL | danielp3344, infrared scanner on the forehead, as popularized in most places | 19:13 |
| danielp3344 | usually accurate to only about 2c | 19:13 |
| LjL | well that's what gets used virtually everywhere | 19:13 |
| danielp3344 | +/- 2c* | 19:13 |
| LjL | surely there are better ones... aren't you thinking of the ones that measure up to, like, 300°C that are used for professional applications in very high temperatures? | 19:14 |
| LjL | because these are medical grade, and a medical grade thermometers with a ±2°C error is just plain useless | 19:14 |
| danielp3344 | LjL: I read it somewhere, one second I'll try to find it | 19:14 |
| LjL | they are used all over the world, if they had this kind of error range they'd have been tossed away ages ago | 19:14 |
| LjL | after reading people with 34°C who should be hypothermic | 19:14 |
| LjL | python476, lol there's actually a new auction today for a Sony La Scala deck | 19:15 |
| LjL | cruel tempting fate | 19:15 |
| LjL | but no, i don't want to buy another random deck, i want my lovely looking set to work ;( | 19:16 |
| LjL | python476, meanwhile on the forum, someone says i'm "probably confusing terms" and so i should provide a sound sample of when it has trouble with my own recording, and one of when it doesn't with other recordings. to be fair, i haven't provided the latter, but i bet he hasn't even read/realized that i HAVE provided the former, and if you could immediately hear it's flangey, then surely so can he, an Expert | 19:17 |
| python476 | heh | 19:18 |
| python476 | such snark | 19:18 |
| danielp3344 | LjL: nevermind it was in an article about using thermal cameras for COVID detection | 19:18 |
| LjL | danielp3344, thermal cameras probably behave more like those professional "find heat" applications. also a camera is usually placed much further away from people's foreheads. i suspect these cameras will mainly become another surveillance tool | 19:18 |
| danielp3344 | ^ | 19:19 |
| danielp3344 | Well I got to go work on my truck some more, bbl | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 17:19 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: CDC: Fewer people dying in COVID-19 surge than March, April → https://is.gd/5BqCdJ | 19:25 |
| LjL | python476, here's another recording, in this playback i think i barely heard any flange, although maybe your ear is more sensitive than mine. i think if you discount any flange, this doesn't sound very different from the CD it comes from. just a type I cassette with Dolby B. https://sndup.net/8kfp/gould-second.flac | 19:34 |
| python476 | this one is "proper" | 19:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:30 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Egypt loosens lockdown despite surging infections as India passes 500,000 cases → https://is.gd/MKaZu2 | 19:34 |
| LjL | the abrupt interruption is because the cassette ended :P | 19:34 |
| python476 | good, I was afraid you broke a figner | 19:35 |
| python476 | finger* | 19:35 |
| LjL | i can assure you that you wouldn't have to pay a lot of attention to notice the difference between Gould playing Bach and LjL playing Bach | 19:35 |
| python476 | are you naturally flangey too ? | 19:35 |
| python476 | grungey even ? | 19:35 |
| LjL | my piano is | 19:36 |
| LjL | haven't had it tuned in ages | 19:36 |
| python476 | I should buy a tiny keyboard | 19:36 |
| python476 | I don't play bass anymore | 19:36 |
| python476 | I think I should have fun on keys now | 19:36 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Hypoferremia predicts hospitalization and oxygen demand in COVID-19 patients (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.26.20140525v1 | https://redd.it/hgpu1f | 19:37 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 17:38 UTC: Coronavirus | Community spread is on, says Karnataka official: No let-up in mortality; Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka both report 11 deaths, spike in cases; Kerala tracking 15 community cases → https://is.gd/NZfYNe | 19:44 |
| LjL | python476, even longer violation of the Gould estate copyright... i hope you enjoy Bach. https://sndup.net/5xmt/gould-third.flac i think in this one, i can hear the flagey at first, then for a while i can't, then i can again... it's sort of cyclic. except, when it reaches the part that i had recorded before (at 4:26) i again don't hear it at any point. so maybe this deck likes the very end of cassettes... which is usually not the case O.o | 19:44 |
| LjL | but at the beginning, i can hear the flange at... the 5th note played | 19:45 |
| LjL | already | 19:45 |
| LjL | the very beginning, not the 4:26 movement | 19:45 |
| LjL | i *have* tried more than one cassette, by the way! | 19:47 |
| python476 | isn't there a bit at 1:20? | 19:53 |
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| python476 | really short | 19:54 |
| LjL | python476, i don't hear it at 1:20, but i do hear it at various points... i'm saying it kinda goes away and then comes back, except after 4:26 i no longer hear it (and while it's a separate track, i think i recorded all of that in one go) | 19:55 |
| LjL | 0:02-0:15 i hear it, 0:26 i hear it, 0:31-0:32 i hear it, 0:35-0:36 i hear it... | 19:57 |
| LjL | 0:35-0:40 sucks | 19:57 |
| LjL | actually make that until... 0:50. the whole quiet part sucks too | 19:57 |
| LjL | and 0:55 | 19:57 |
| LjL | it's just awful | 19:57 |
| LjL | to be fair if this was orchestral music or pop, i'd probably not really notice it | 19:58 |
| LjL | but i didn't buy a €90 deck to only record things where i don't notice the flaws ;( | 19:58 |
| LjL | also i'm using speakers right now, might change with headphones... because if there is phase difference between the stereo channels, that may make it different | 19:59 |
| LjL | python476, actually... wow, what are you listening with? i just tried now with headphones and i *can't* hear it, at least not between 0:00 and 0:15 or which was really very obvious with speakers | 20:01 |
| python476 | crap in ear buds | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 17:57 UTC: VSSC campus disinfected: Employee tests positive, 13 personnel go into quarantine → https://is.gd/9OS6jh | 20:03 |
| EricGrahamMacEac | !cases USA | 20:05 |
| bn_mobile | So what's the prognosis now in the US?, is this thing still predicted to last till Sept? | 20:05 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 2,575,503 cases as of 2020-06-27 17:49:00 UTC. Of these 1,376,194 (53.4%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 1,071,393 (41.6%) have definitely recovered and 127,916 (5.0%) have died. | 20:05 |
| EricGrahamMacEac | bn_mobile: Use Cov Bot: | 20:06 |
| bn_mobile | Also, NY needs to stop counting probable COVID-19 deaths as COVID-19 | 20:06 |
| bn_mobile | I don't know what Einstein decided to fubar the data | 20:06 |
| bn_mobile | EricGrahamMacEac: how? last I checked, it doesn't provide forecasts | 20:07 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes, it'll go well beyond September | 20:07 |
| tinwhiskers | Why should NY stop reporting probable cases of covid as covid? | 20:08 |
| bn_mobile | GA is rocketing back up, this is just going to turn into a Darwinian cleansing I fear | 20:08 |
| tinwhiskers | There is already significant underreporting | 20:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Carolina, US: +1604 cases (now 31939), +17 deaths (now 711) since 21 hours ago — Telangana, India: +1087 cases (now 13436), +6 deaths (now 243) since 12 hours ago — Angola: +32 cases (now 244) since a day ago — French Guiana: +191 cases (now 3461), +1 deaths (now 12) since 21 hours ago | 20:09 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: because you're guessing & that's not science works | 20:09 |
| bn_mobile | ("you're" being the figurative "you're") | 20:10 |
| bn_mobile | s/not/not how | 20:10 |
| tinwhiskers | Making a diagnosis for clinical signs is not just guessing. | 20:10 |
| tinwhiskers | *from | 20:10 |
| tinwhiskers | Excess mortality data shows that we are massively underreporting covid cases so if clinical diagnoses brings that more in line with reality I don't have a huge problem with that. | 20:12 |
| bn_mobile | Some guy feels sick from COVID-19, gets hit by bus & then marked as "COVID-19 death"?? Uh, no | 20:12 |
| tinwhiskers | o.O | 20:12 |
| bn_mobile | Under reporting is already accounted for in statistical modeling, we don't need more sources of error | 20:13 |
| tinwhiskers | If he feels sick "from COVID-19" that seems like a good outcome :-) | 20:13 |
| bn_mobile | NY is not helping by doing this | 20:14 |
| tinwhiskers | No it's generally not accounted for in most analyses. | 20:14 |
| bn_mobile | Except the getting hit by a bus part :) | 20:14 |
| bn_mobile | It's sampling error | 20:15 |
| Kyros | are they reporting them as one single number or is it basically a different column on a spreadsheet | 20:15 |
| tinwhiskers | Preferably testing is done but in situations where medical staff are overloaded I'd prefer clinical diagnoses than none. However NY is probably in the situation where they can do tests now. | 20:15 |
| tinwhiskers | I really see that as such a minor issue compared to the disastrous management in general in the US though | 20:17 |
| bn_mobile | Kyros: for their sake I hope it's separate but once the concept exists it's a slippery downward slope "oh, another one died? He had COVID-19, just mark him as COVID-19, we don't have time" 🙄 | 20:17 |
| tinwhiskers | That's disingenuous | 20:17 |
| Urchin[emacs] | %data croatia | 20:18 |
| Brainstorm | Urchin[emacs]: In Croatia, there have been 2624 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 107 deaths (4.1% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 75437 tests were performed (3.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Croatia for time series data. | 20:18 |
| LjL | python476, weird stuff, i really don't hear it on headphones... *or* earbuds, i tried those too to be thorough... or at least if i try to convince myself that i hear it, it's really really subtle. while with speakers it's outright obvious. but even with headphones, afaik the brain mixes the two channels inside of itself and you are still supposed to hear phase beatings | 20:18 |
| Kyros | LjL: are you a real person | 20:19 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: yes, of course any diagnosis is better than none, & i'm not disputing all the other issues the US has had | 20:19 |
| LjL | Kyros, excuse me? | 20:19 |
| Kyros | LjL: why are you talking about music in here | 20:19 |
| tinwhiskers | If test figures were showing that clinical diagnoses were exaggerating the statistics I might agree but at this stage they only seem to be making them more accurate | 20:19 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: are you listening/creating binaural beats? :) | 20:20 |
| LjL | Kyros, why do i see people i've never seen speaking before, especially while the channel was devoid of any conversations for entire days, pop up now just to chastize me for being offtopic? | 20:20 |
| LjL | if you want to be an internet cop i recommend becoming a "helper" in #freenode | 20:20 |
| LjL | just a tip | 20:20 |
| tinwhiskers | Lols | 20:20 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, not on purpose, but i might be | 20:20 |
| Kyros | your nonsense sounds like some markov chain bot | 20:21 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh | 20:21 |
| tinwhiskers | The new guy is funny | 20:21 |
| LjL | Kyros, i think you either haven't seen actual markov chain bots speak, or you don't understand english very welll | 20:22 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: have they performed regression analysis on the past "probable" data? | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 18:16 UTC: The oyster mushroom as an ‘earning family member’: Cultivation of oyster mushrooms seems to be on the list of lockdown business options → https://is.gd/HhAKWY | 20:22 |
| tinwhiskers | Not sure what you mean | 20:22 |
| bn_mobile | Kyros: it's ok, we could all use some distractions now with all this | 20:23 |
| python476 | Kyros: don't sweat it man | 20:23 |
| python476 | if you want to talk covid we're all willing to too | 20:23 |
| tinwhiskers | I think you should find another hill to die on. That data is really a very minor issue and if anything improves the information we have rather than harm it. | 20:24 |
| python476 | also you can apologize to LjL | 20:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cabo Verde: +64 cases (now 1091), +2 deaths (now 12) since 19 hours ago — World: +442 cases (now 10.1 million), +3 deaths (now 499246) since 22 minutes ago — Ohio, US: +378 cases (now 49455) since 18 hours ago — Chhattisgarh, India: +57 cases (now 2602) since 13 hours ago | 20:24 |
| LjL | python476, but then i'd feel bad for being snarky | 20:24 |
| bn_mobile | Anyway, so back to my original question, what's the new prognosis in terms of end date? Anyone have any thoughts? | 20:24 |
| tinwhiskers | bn_mobile: next year | 20:25 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: "hill to die on"? | 20:25 |
| tinwhiskers | The US is not capable of managing it in any meaningful way so it will persist until a vaccine is available | 20:26 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: as long as the data is still kept separate but is it? | 20:26 |
| tinwhiskers | The she lots of things you could do to improve the data but that really is a tiny problem. | 20:27 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: you are in Italy, correct? | 20:27 |
| tinwhiskers | Even kept combined in the publicly reported data having that data is better than not having it | 20:27 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, yes | 20:27 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: how is it there now, any better? | 20:27 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, yes, today it's even *too* good, as in, the numbers are so low that i suspect they just didn't register stuff and they'll pile the cases on later in the next few days | 20:28 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, on June 30, the regional law that mandate masks for everyone outdoors and indoors will expire, if they don't extend it | 20:29 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, we'll still have to wear masks in stores though (thankfully) since that's a national law | 20:29 |
| LjL | and public transport, anywhere indoors except your home really | 20:29 |
| LjL | there's a lot of people around not wearing masks, or wearing them improperly (nose out is very popular), though | 20:30 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: I respectfully disagree, by combining/mixing the data, you are corrupting the meaning of it. Any basic database schema design process will tell you one of the first things you do is to normalize data | 20:30 |
| LjL | and it's more like we've reduced the numbers down to very slow linear growth, but not really *flattened*, so the risk of a second peak is always there... but i guess it's always there anyhow | 20:30 |
| tinwhiskers | Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. That data is still useful even if combined and we're better with it than without it. | 20:31 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: are borders/air travel back open? | 20:32 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, yes, within the EU/Schengen, with some countries being exceptions (i don't remember which, but Greece tests every Italian entering the country for instance) | 20:32 |
| LjL | the whole Schengen area is still closed to outsiders though | 20:32 |
| LjL | and recent rumors says they are going to reopen the area but with the exception of the US, Brazil, and possibly Russia | 20:33 |
| LjL | (Reddit will get mad, they already went "Italy/EU are banning Americans" last time when we were banning *everyone not from the EU* and Americans weren't mentioned specifically at all) | 20:33 |
| bn_mobile | I'm debating expatriating from the US/this state but some countries/states now have mandatory 14-day self-quarantines imposed | 20:34 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, well 14 days doesn't seem like a tragedy, maybe you could just do that? | 20:35 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: again, as long it is carefully recorded to be a "probable" VS confirmed, sure. No good comes from ambiguity. Good science relies on being as precise as possible :) | 20:36 |
| tinwhiskers | Opinions, eh... | 20:37 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: it would be strange for sure & I wouldn't have any of my stuff | 20:37 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, well for a couple months nobody in italy could leave their homes without printing and filling in a police form detailing where they were going, where they were coming from, and why they were outside | 20:38 |
| LjL | the bar for "strange" has moved a little for me | 20:38 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: plan B is to move out to a remote area & bunker down & grow my own food, but that has other issues, ie: non-food supplies become more difficult to obtain, emergency medical situations harder to handle, etc. | 20:39 |
| tinwhiskers | Motivation to move can't be very strong of a 14 day quarantine puts you off... | 20:39 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: some countries literally put a lock on your door. | 20:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Send line mandatory quarantine would be a feature you're looking for in any place you're going to that manages the disease in a decent manner. | 20:41 |
| tinwhiskers | Gah. My typing sucks | 20:41 |
| tinwhiskers | *seems like | 20:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 18:25 UTC: Many positive cases may be negative: ‘A few labs did not follow correct procedure to conduct pooled samples tests’ → https://is.gd/dXgkDO | 20:42 |
| tinwhiskers | bn_mobile: which countries literally put a lock on your door? | 20:42 |
| bn_mobile | I've already been staying indoors 99% of the time except for food/groceries, which I usually do so anyway but I don't know if I could deal with being locked in (effectively) a "jail cell" | 20:43 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Heartburn Drug May Have Potential Against COVID-19 (81 votes) | https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/heartburn-drug-may-have-potential-against-covid-19 | https://redd.it/hgrsha | 20:43 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: not that I'm planning to go there but some parts of China | 20:43 |
| tinwhiskers | In NZ we do mandated quarantine in govt run hotels. No self-quarantine. | 20:44 |
| tinwhiskers | Erm... China... Ok | 20:44 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: I see your point but the 14-day self-quarantine is done as a precaution for inbound travelers. The locked in with a lock may have been for confirmed cases | 20:47 |
| tinwhiskers | We found some people were really not very good at obeying self-quarantine rules | 20:47 |
| bn_mobile | still I think for the most part you aren't allowed to leave | 20:47 |
| tinwhiskers | Yes, the locked in a room thing had nothing to do with what you're talking about | 20:48 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: is that for confirmed or incoming travelers? | 20:48 |
| tinwhiskers | All travelers | 20:49 |
| bn_mobile | I wouldn't be surprised if China did impose it upon travelers though | 20:49 |
| tinwhiskers | Wtf does China have to do with anything? | 20:49 |
| tinwhiskers | You're conflating wuhan lockdown stories to you migrating to some other country where no such thing happens | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:33 UTC: Coronavirus US: Florida again breaks one-day record for new cases – live: State sets new record for second straight day New York sees steady decline in cases while other states see rises US deaths from Covid-19 have surpassed 125,000 Reopening plans reverse quickly amid alarming increase in cases Survivors could [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/IBNnEO | 20:51 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: so do you let travelers eat too or is that optional in your "govt camps"? :) | 20:53 |
| tinwhiskers | Wow | 20:53 |
| tinwhiskers | Is there anything you've said since stunning that wasn't a disingenuous exaggeration? | 20:54 |
| tinwhiskers | *since arriving | 20:54 |
| bn_mobile | It was asked in half-jest :) I've been here for months but I've never visited NZ so I don't know how you treat outsiders | 20:56 |
| bn_mobile | No need to take offense | 20:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 18:54 UTC: U.S. coronavirus cases surge by more than 45,000 as states roll back reopenings: There were 45,255 additional Covid-19 cases reported across the nation on Friday, bringing the total to more than 2.46 million cases, according to Johns Hopkins University data. → https://is.gd/2k7JYh | 21:01 |
| tinwhiskers | We don't take Americans for obvious reasons (and I say that in half-jest). | 21:01 |
| bn_mobile | FWIW, I do think NZ is a beautiful country, still want to visit someday & AirNZ has some pretty cool seating configurations even in economy | 21:02 |
| bn_mobile | Good, I'm not American :) | 21:03 |
| tinwhiskers | As for food, the government provides food, tv, internet for free. | 21:03 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm told the food isn't great but it's not terrible | 21:04 |
| tinwhiskers | bn_mobile: you're not in the US? | 21:04 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, bn_mobile: i believe despite the EU deciding apps should be voluntary and everything, Poland actually mandates an app on quarantined people. the app records your location and asks you to be face-recognized periodically | 21:05 |
| bn_mobile | I am but I'm not from here | 21:05 |
| LjL | (aside from asking about your temperature and various reasonable things for monitoring patients) | 21:06 |
| bn_mobile | Although I've been here a while now | 21:06 |
| LjL | so that's the closest i've found to actually having a lock on your door, outside of China, but i bet there's other places with similar things | 21:06 |
| tinwhiskers | You're restricted to the hotel grounds in NZ so that's kinda locked up. You can't leave. | 21:09 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: My Indian colleagues have reported hearing similar "jail"-like situations but I hope they're just rumors. Fear can sadly ultimately erode all human decency in the end 😔 | 21:09 |
| bn_mobile | tinwhiskers: ok, that's not that bad then, that seems potentially tolerable | 21:10 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, oh yeah i don't know about India, i think many states are just doing their own thing, and in Delhi for instance i heard the app is mandatory for people quarantined, and maybe for everyone, not sure. but i've heard of other creepy things. | 21:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:59 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Egypt loosens lockdown despite surging infections as India passes 500,000 cases → https://is.gd/MKaZu2 | 21:10 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, but other creepy things about India were even sadder, doctors and nurses being evicted from their homes | 21:11 |
| LjL | ending up sleeping in the hospitals | 21:11 |
| bn_mobile | On another note, I finally got my home hydroponics kit the other day 😀 Excited to start growing 🍅🌿 | 21:11 |
| LjL | Spec, ↑ | 21:11 |
| tinwhiskers | The biggest problem I have is that people stay at the hotel for 14 days then leave regardless of whether someone else at the hotel tests positive, and has been mingling with others in the hotel. | 21:11 |
| tinwhiskers | There's certainly potential for the virus to leave the hotel so it's a bit flawed. | 21:12 |
| bn_mobile | 6 pod slots, requires nutrient solution & initial seed pods though, so that is a limiting factor for non-soil based agriculture | 21:13 |
| bn_mobile | at least with this | 21:13 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, Aerogarden? | 21:14 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: why would healthcare workers be evicted?🙁 | 21:14 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, because people in their buildings and/or their landlords fear they are infection vectors and/or lower the property value | 21:15 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: yes! made a comparison sheet but thinking of eventually making my own with more sensors if this goes well 🙂 | 21:15 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, it's happened to a lesser extent in other countries, including France and Italy, where nurses have found sheets attached to their doors "inviting" them to find another place to live | 21:15 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, i was close to buying one, but it's bulky and expensive and in Italy Amazon only offers a very limited amount of things, like not even standalone nutrient bottles so... i passed | 21:16 |
| bn_mobile | That's terrible & sad 😔 | 21:16 |
| LjL | python476, gah maybe i partly understand (not justify) audio forum people defaulting to acting like the newcomer is an idiot... https://paste.ee/p/XuY1o | 21:17 |
| bn_mobile | 😂 | 21:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 19:12 UTC: CoronaVirusInfo: Florida baby tests positive for coronavirus - recovers → https://is.gd/8sefwk | 21:20 |
| python476 | you're too harsh LjL | 21:21 |
| python476 | it wasnt obvious to me that flac bitrate was related to cpu time spent | 21:21 |
| python476 | and would confuse me too | 21:21 |
| LjL | python476, but you'd think the *sound quality* would change? | 21:22 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: they have small ones, what sort of prices are you seeing? | 21:22 |
| python476 | only if I was seriously stuck on the usual bitrate -> quality | 21:22 |
| LjL | "lossless" has a very specific meaning with compression, and... well, it's actually the same meaning you'd guess | 21:22 |
| python476 | yeah sure | 21:22 |
| python476 | it was just too counterintuitive to him | 21:22 |
| python476 | you're fast and dense, he's not at least he was nice and not immature | 21:23 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, €100-€150 was the 6-pod types on EU Amazon (it actually went down to around €100 at some point but i don't know how much it is now). it's not too expensive, but at the same time it's not very cheap if you consider it's just a pump and a light, and 20W isn't a lot. | 21:23 |
| python476 | sorry, not dense, more like precise | 21:23 |
| LjL | python476, well it's not like i insulted him anyway | 21:24 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: is that with shipping? Yes, I agree that's why I plan to build my own eventually the budget could better be used for automation sensors | 21:25 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, yes it's Prime | 21:25 |
| LjL | well, sometimes it can be without shipping actually, it depends which of the EU Amazon has it cheapest at any given time, bit of a dance | 21:26 |
| LjL | right now let's see... | 21:26 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, oh. right now actually the model i wanted is not available anymore on any amazon :| it seems like amazon isn't really recovering from the "COVID shock", instead its stock keeps getting smaller and smaller | 21:27 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, there is https://www.amazon.de/dp/B015SROO4C right now which is the lowest price for that model, but the model i was actually looking at was the "slim" type (same specs: 6 pods, 20W) | 21:28 |
| bn_mobile | Prices on Amazon are very overpriced right now | 21:28 |
| bn_mobile | I would avoid it if possible | 21:28 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, i use https://www.hagglezon.com/en/s/aerogarden to find the Amazon site that has something cheapest, you can save a lot sometimes by just not using the local one | 21:28 |
| LjL | although the Italian Amazon is often the cheapest one anyway | 21:29 |
| bn_mobile | Although you may save with shipping I guess | 21:29 |
| LjL | but not always | 21:29 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, and don't underestimate the ability to return for refund or replacement with basically no questions asked | 21:29 |
| bn_mobile | Then do you not have to deal with import duties and taxes? | 21:29 |
| LjL | uh no, it's all EU sites | 21:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:13 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Egypt loosens lockdown despite surging infections as India passes 500,000 cases → https://is.gd/MKaZu2 | 21:30 |
| LjL | one of the main points of the EU is to have a common market :P | 21:30 |
| disillusion | %cases | 21:33 |
| disillusion | .cases | 21:33 |
| disillusion | bot's broke | 21:33 |
| LjL | oh yeah i stopped it earlier, forgot to restart | 21:34 |
| LjL | also forgot to debug what i was going to | 21:34 |
| LjL | python476, i took a picture of the pinch roller https://framapic.org/z3qPE9UZGP2f/Wza8OSmOpiSp.jpg since someone on the forum said it's not normal that the tape appears to not be centered on the pinch roller. you can see it's asymmetric here. wasn't easy to take a picture since it's a tray deck, i used a fancy USB endoscope sort of thing i have, great purchase that one. i'll post it on the forum now | 21:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:28 UTC: Coronavirus US: Florida again breaks one-day record for new cases – live: State sets new record for second straight day New York sees steady decline in cases while other states see rises US deaths from Covid-19 have surpassed 125,000 Reopening plans reverse quickly amid alarming increase in cases Survivors could [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/IBNnEO | 21:39 |
| LjL | but now i'll be told the pinch roller sucks and needs to be replaced just because i took a picture from so close up, and with a strong light, that it looks like it's cracked | 21:42 |
| python476 | I have that endoscope too | 21:43 |
| python476 | unfortunately I went to far so now it's in my stomach | 21:44 |
| python476 | jokes aside, it's hard to get the picture withotu the device in front | 21:44 |
| LjL | python476, oh it does come with a mirror for, if it's like any other endoscope, checking your mouth, but i very much advise against that, either the mirror or the whole attachment CAN detach in your mouth. it's just crazy they include that | 21:47 |
| LjL | but it was €30 and a pretty decent instrument, i could see the individual cells in an onion! | 21:48 |
| bn_mobile | LjL: do you have a pic/link of the endoscope? | 21:49 |
| LjL | let me see if amazon still has the listing i bought it from | 21:49 |
| LjL | there are many around that are similar but possibly not identical | 21:49 |
| LjL | as with many chinese things | 21:49 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, well, "currently unavailable [forever]", but the listing is there https://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B01N1IJC2B/ | 21:50 |
| LjL | i remember one difference that was easy to spot from the pictures compared to otherwise very similar ones was the number of LEDs that make up the light | 21:51 |
| LjL | bn_mobile, i have a set of microscope-type pictures taken with it here https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljlbox/albums/72157661998690898 i was mostly just testing what it could do | 21:52 |
| LjL | if you hover on the pictures, most of them say briefly what they are | 21:52 |
| python476 | nice shots | 21:56 |
| python476 | what's the last one ? | 21:56 |
| python476 | i need a microscope like that.. | 21:56 |
| python476 | so I can find my penis | 21:56 |
| LjL | badumtssh | 21:57 |
| python476 | #rimshit | 21:57 |
| LjL | the last one is cabbage! | 21:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 19:51 UTC: nCoV: Coronavirus cases in India cross 500,000 as big cities reel from surge → https://is.gd/bPDK03 | 21:58 |
| LjL | python476: 14,99[22:06] 99,99 4,99edgar-rft:99,99 I think "lossless" is a pretty stupid buzzword, there always will be loss somewhere, otherwise the universe would be a perpetuum mobile | 22:06 |
| LjL | Like ... | 22:06 |
| python476 | forward him to claude shannon | 22:06 |
| LjL | I shannon't do that | 22:07 |
| python476 | although depending on the time frame, even bits fade | 22:07 |
| python476 | so it's just sluggishly lossy :D | 22:07 |
| python476 | entropy wins ~_~ | 22:07 |
| LjL | python476: I mean the first criticism ingot was that the FLACs were lossy compared to the original analog signal | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:05 UTC: Coronavirus US: Florida again breaks one-day record for new cases – live: State sets new record for second straight day New York sees steady decline in cases while other states see rises US deaths from Covid-19 have surpassed 125,000 Reopening plans reverse quickly amid alarming increase in cases Survivors could [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/IBNnEO | 22:08 |
| Haley[mt][m] | %cases US | 22:08 |
| LjL | Obviously lossless is specifically compared to the source right before the compression, and you compare the compressed version unmodified | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | Haley[mt][m]: In US, there have been 2.6 million confirmed cases (0.8% of the population) and 127989 deaths (5.0% of cases) as of 4 minutes ago. 31.3 million tests were performed (8.3% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming testing prevalence) and less than 10.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries).. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 22:08 |
| LjL | I understand you get this but I don't understand how people can be so... either dense or anal unless it's in jest | 22:09 |
| crystalhuman[m] | If you know COVID-19 is a scam, raise your hand. | 22:09 |
| Haley[mt][m] | <Brainstorm "Haley[mt]: In US, there have bee"> Dies not work for US (stats kink) | 22:13 |
| LjL | crystalhuman[m]: it is not a scam and we don't take polls about such nonsense | 22:15 |
| LjL | Haley[mt][m]: works for me. Have you given it some time? The site takes a while to load | 22:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Francisco Morazan, Honduras: +3667 cases (now 5173), +79 deaths (now 111) since 14 days ago — Cochabamba, Bolivia: +1758 cases (now 2920), +75 deaths (now 130) since 14 days ago — Texas, US: +1310 cases (now 144684), +12 deaths (now 2385) since 46 minutes ago — Wisconsin, US: +539 cases (now 27286), +11 deaths (now 777) since 23 hours ago | 22:20 |
| LjL | python476 ... and it ends to shit https://paste.ee/p/RrLTu | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:20 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Egypt loosens lockdown despite surging infections as India passes 500,000 cases → https://is.gd/MKaZu2 | 22:27 |
| LjL-Matrix | Okay have some dictatorship Matrix person | 22:29 |
| tinwhiskers | You kinda hope the number of those idiots we see is because they are particularly outspoken and not a general reflection of human beings but I'm beginning to have my doubts about that. | 22:33 |
| tinwhiskers | Maybe they're just doing it for the lols | 22:33 |
| tinwhiskers | I'll give humanity the benefit of the doubt for now :-/ | 22:33 |
| tinwhiskers | Oh, he's back | 22:34 |
| tinwhiskers | covidisahoax[m]: your ignorance isn't welcome here | 22:34 |
| covidisahoax[m] | tinwhiskers: Good. | 22:35 |
| covidisahoax[m] | You're idiots lmao | 22:35 |
| covidisahoax[m] | Ban meh | 22:35 |
| tinwhiskers | Ok, then why come here? You're not wanted. | 22:35 |
| LjL-Matrix | Sigh now I'll have to figure out where Matrix admin hang out and how to contact them and how they consider ban evasion | 22:38 |
| smokememeseveryd | Freedom of speech is dead because of people like LJL | 22:41 |
| smokememeseveryd | FUck you | 22:42 |
| smokememeseveryd | Twat | 22:42 |
| smokememeseveryd | Sheep | 22:42 |
| smokememeseveryd | Bootlicker | 22:42 |
| smokememeseveryd | Fuck you | 22:42 |
| smokememeseveryd | Dick | 22:42 |
| tinwhiskers | ... particularly outspoken ... particularly outspoken ... I must convince myself of this | 22:43 |
| blkshp | Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can be a c**t | 22:43 |
| blkshp | oh he left ;) | 22:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | You mean cunt | 22:44 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 22:44 |
| LjL-Matrix | Stars don't change words for adults | 22:44 |
| covidnoodist[m] | For you LJL | 22:44 |
| blkshp | Adult only channel is it? | 22:44 |
| blkshp | I'm English, i use that word very sparingly. | 22:44 |
| tinwhiskers | moist | 22:44 |
| tinwhiskers | there, I said it | 22:44 |
| blkshp | lol | 22:44 |
| tinwhiskers | the single most offensive word in the english language | 22:45 |
| LjL-Matrix | Then don't use it, I just find it hypocritical to assume that somehow censoring words while still making it clear what they are changes anything | 22:45 |
| blkshp | ok... cunt. | 22:45 |
| LjL-Matrix | tinwhiskers what about niggardly | 22:45 |
| tinwhiskers | gosh | 22:45 |
| blkshp | And the idea is that it allows people who are unaware of the word to remain unaware of the word. | 22:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:43 UTC: U.S. coronavirus cases surge by more than 45,000 as states roll back reopenings: There were 45,255 additional Covid-19 cases reported across the nation on Friday, bringing the total to more than 2.46 million cases, according to Johns Hopkins University data. → https://is.gd/2k7JYh | 22:46 |
| tinwhiskers | it's a nice idea :-) | 22:46 |
| blkshp | I think censorship as a property is quite clear | 22:47 |
| LjL-Matrix | It's a patronizing idea that doesn't even work in practice since if anything it makes those unaware curious and inquisitive | 22:47 |
| tinwhiskers | is there some +r type mode for matrix? | 22:47 |
| tinwhiskers | that doesn't kick off people already joined, that is. | 22:48 |
| blkshp | And regardless of your ability to understand its usage or why i do, you, in effect are censoring me by telling me what i can and cannot say. Thus making you the hypocrite you're calling me, no? | 22:48 |
| LjL-Matrix | I may not like many of the rules I've learned from Ubuntu channels but I'm fine with this one, although their view was that cursing was never acceptable, mine is just that it doesn't make a difference whether it's obfuscated by some asterisks or such | 22:49 |
| blkshp | Then make it a rule. | 22:49 |
| LjL-Matrix | blkshp no because this is my channel and I decide the rules | 22:49 |
| LjL-Matrix | I've just done so now | 22:49 |
| LjL-Matrix | I've had enough with the "we want written rules" rhetoric | 22:49 |
| LjL | Nowhere on freenode charters does it say that I can't just run my channel according to my own common sense without pre- written rules | 22:50 |
| blkshp | That's absolutely fine. But i would prefer you didn't insinuate i am a hypocrite whilst not observing a rule you haven't advised anyone about. | 22:50 |
| tinwhiskers | Yeah, I think the number of people who don't know what c**t stands for is vanishingly small. The bigger problem with using the word cunt is normalising it in conversation for young people and obfuscating it doesn't do that since they all know what it means anyway. | 22:50 |
| LjL | blkshp: I have not "not" observed a rule. You are conflating two things that are totally different | 22:51 |
| LjL | And I am having dinner | 22:51 |
| LjL | And together with the Matrix moron you are contributing to ruining it | 22:51 |
| blkshp | Enjoy | 22:51 |
| xrogaan | obscurantism is a bad idea. Keeping people ignorant of a problem is a sure way to have that problem crop up again. | 22:53 |
| python476 | 'night y'all | 22:53 |
| bittersweet | goodnight python476 | 22:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:50 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Egypt loosens lockdown despite surging infections as India passes 500,000 cases → https://is.gd/MKaZu2 | 22:56 |
| blkshp | LjL: I apologise, i like a debate sometimes i didn't mean any offense | 22:57 |
| LjL | blkshp, no offense taken, only my dinner feeling like a brick in my tummy | 23:00 |
| blkshp | I had 4 sausages, 3 eggs, chips and beans and a pudding... i know how you feel :) | 23:01 |
| LjL | when i'm playing whackamole with a ban evader who targets me it's probably not the best time to engage me in debate, but i guess you didn't know that since we're all different | 23:01 |
| LjL | riosotto with asparagus | 23:01 |
| LjL | and then too much sugar | 23:01 |
| LjL | oh, gorgonzola | 23:01 |
| blkshp | No sorry, i didn't even see that i just saw the final comments of the last one | 23:01 |
| blkshp | I like risotto | 23:02 |
| blkshp | Whisky, that's what you need, with ginger ale. | 23:02 |
| LjL-Matrix | I don't have it, not much of a fan either, but ginger ale is adorable. But I don't have it either. I think I had it once in London, and then I found some here at Eataly but it was kinda different | 23:03 |
| LjL-Matrix | I do have decent limoncello, but that's just MORE sugar | 23:03 |
| blkshp | Remembering Ginger ale and Ginger beer is different, i prefer the latter but chilled and solo. ale is just for scotch. | 23:04 |
| blkshp | I have some limoncello. i got some lemon gin to add to it | 23:04 |
| LjL-Matrix | <tinwhiskers "is there some +r type mode for m"> I missed this one. There is, in a sense, but it's already enabled. The wording is "Who can access this room? X Anyone who knows the room's link, apart from guests" where "apart from guests" means you need to be registered, which I do think involves providing an email (don't quite remember). But evidently that fellow managed to register several accounts | 23:05 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 23:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | blkshp: I honestly don't know which one I had in London. It was from Whole Foods, which I understand according to some should make me feel ashamed, but I don't know why | 23:06 |
| blkshp | I don't know a "whole foods" | 23:07 |
| blkshp | ale is brown yet clear, beer is opaque, white and spicier | 23:07 |
| blkshp | (whiteish) | 23:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | I didn't know it before London either. Don't know which countries it operates in, certainly America and UK | 23:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | hmm | 23:08 |
| LjL-Matrix | Chances are low that I took a picture of it... but I might have | 23:08 |
| tinwhiskers | ginger ale is carbonated ginger flavoured "soda" and ginger beer is brewed using yeast and real ginger. | 23:08 |
| blkshp | ^^ wot he said ;) | 23:08 |
| tinwhiskers | although the amount of actual brewing is often almost non-existent just to get the name. | 23:08 |
| blkshp | good ginger beer makes you cough if you inhale it from just pouring. | 23:09 |
| blkshp | :D | 23:09 |
| LjL | nope, looks for some foolish reason i was busier taking pictures of Babbage machines instead of beer bottles | 23:09 |
| blkshp | lol, so what's good with limoncello, i've had a bottle since new year | 23:10 |
| LjL | i don't know... i just have it on its own. I know that commercial limoncello really doesn't live up to some that someone made in Sardinia and gave me some, plus they made some "Limoncello cream" with the leftover lemon peel, now soaked in alcohol, which was just oh my god | 23:11 |
| blkshp | yeah, i don't think this is artisan | 23:12 |
| LjL | no neither is the one i have now. but it's decent, not wonderful | 23:13 |
| blkshp | i may put it in the freezer | 23:13 |
| LjL | but i remember a bad experience from many years ago with limoncello and vodka. i... ejected them. the limoncello was NOT good, aside from the fact that i obviously just had too much alcohol | 23:13 |
| LjL | i suspect very cheap limoncello is not made with actual lemon peels but just flavoring or something | 23:13 |
| blkshp | lol, i did that when i mixed whisky and wine. | 23:14 |
| blkshp | Pallini Limoncello | 23:16 |
| blkshp | Water Sugar Alcohol Natural Essence "Lomone Costa d'Amalfi P.G.I Lemon Peel Infuse | 23:16 |
| blkshp | The Cork's not real cork lol | 23:17 |
| LjL | hmm the "natural essence" part sounds wrong | 23:18 |
| LjL | the cork... mine doesn't even have a cork tap | 23:19 |
| LjL | but even for wine, "not real cork" is pretty common nowadays | 23:19 |
| LjL | i don't really know about wines but i think it's considered acceptable and even preferable in some cases now | 23:19 |
| LjL | they probably have made advances in how they're made | 23:19 |
| LjL | the real cork sometimes gives the wine a bad taste | 23:19 |
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| blkshp | hmmm, i think the cork in my scotch and Gin is still scotch, but i will have to check that. | 23:21 |
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