| tinwhiskers | fwiw, I've added a "Positive Test Rate" (Confirmed cases per test) option to offloop, just under the tests graph: http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Arizona&testsRate=yes | 00:20 |
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| tinwhiskers | since Trump and Pence are trying convince people that the rise is cases is merely an artefact of additional testing this shows that to be bullshit. | 00:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:11 UTC: U.S. coronavirus cases surge by more than 45,000 in one day, total surpasses 2.5 million: There were 45,255 additional Covid-19 cases reported across the nation on Friday, bringing the total to more than 2.46 million cases, according to Johns Hopkins University data. → https://is.gd/2k7JYh | 00:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:22 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Egypt loosens lockdown despite surging infections as India passes 500,000 cases → https://is.gd/MKaZu2 | 00:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +4149 cases (now 88591), +128 deaths (now 2939) since a day ago — Czechia: +134 cases (now 11298) since 6 hours ago — Peru: +3625 cases (now 275989), +196 deaths (now 9135) since a day ago — California, US: +2043 cases (now 210250), +18 deaths (now 5899) since 47 minutes ago | 00:36 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 has been circulating in northern Italy since December 2019: evidence from environmental monitoring (85 votes) | http://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.06.25.20140061 | https://redd.it/hh0if5 | 00:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nigeria: +779 cases (now 24077), +4 deaths (now 558) since 23 hours ago — Bulgaria: +112 cases (now 4625), +1 deaths (now 216) since a day ago — Guinea: +31 cases (now 5291), +1 deaths (now 30) since a day ago — World: +1042 cases (now 10.1 million), +6 deaths (now 500831) since 18 minutes ago | 00:51 |
| ecks | if the Brazilian president says something, then the opposite is probably true | 01:03 |
| ecks | so guess covid isn't a communist plot after all | 01:03 |
| LjL | Sigh | 01:13 |
| nixonix | anyone checked what are those about? (im not going to) | 01:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guanacaste, Costa Rica: +4 cases (now 251), +1 deaths (now 1) since 18 hours ago — San Jose, Costa Rica: +76 cases (now 1098) since 18 hours ago — Texas, US: +876 cases (now 148050), +1 deaths (now 2404) since 48 minutes ago — Brazil: +2274 cases (now 1.3 million), +33 deaths (now 57103) since 2 hours ago | 01:21 |
| nixonix | the pics i meant. but i suppose the same message, that the whole virus is a scam or something | 01:21 |
| LjL | nixonix, and also mocking/insulting me probably, since i kept banning them earlier | 01:21 |
| LjL | unfortunately they seem to have an ability to come back from other accounts | 01:21 |
| LjL | on the Matrix side i can delete their messages, "sadly" IRC is not that "advanced" | 01:23 |
| LjL | (you may infer from my quotes that i am of two minds on that feature) | 01:23 |
| Jigsy | [00:23:04] <LjL> on the Matrix side i can delete their messages, "sadly" IRC is not that "advanced" | 01:36 |
| Jigsy | Delete it from the logs! | 01:36 |
| Jigsy | https://i.imgur.com/iX5a9S9.png | 01:36 |
| LjL | Jigsy, well, yeah :P but on Matrix i can delete it from YOUR logs | 01:37 |
| LjL | which, when i put it this way, already highlights an issue in my view | 01:37 |
| LjL | but anyway, since i do have the option, i'm going to use it and put my ethical doubts about it on a side | 01:38 |
| nixonix | you are canceling history! | 01:39 |
| LjL-Outcasts | . | 01:46 |
| LjL | nixonix, that, more or less | 01:46 |
| LjL-Outcasts | /help | 01:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Eritrea: +24 cases (now 191) since 23 hours ago — Burundi: +26 cases (now 170) since 6 days ago — Argentina: +2401 cases (now 57744), +15 deaths (now 1207) since 10 hours ago — Nebraska, US: +251 cases (now 18775), +1 deaths (now 267) since a day ago | 01:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 23:29 UTC: Coronavirus: While coronavirus spread in the U.S., an Indian slum with 1 million residents contained it → https://is.gd/b0DPiz | 01:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:48 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global deaths near 500,000 as Australian state of Victoria steps up efforts to fight outbreak → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 02:08 |
| LjL | <Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews at 23:40 UTC: worldnews: Starbucks barista gets £47K in tips for refusing to serve woman not wearing mask → https://is.gd/ERUYk2 | 02:21 |
| danielp3344 | The local walmart is closed at 8pm! | 02:38 |
| danielp3344 | That's gotta be illegal or smth.... :/ | 02:39 |
| Publios | I have a friend, just under 30, who has been sick since Sunday with covid. He hasn't felt good enough to work and he just woke up from a nap with a fever of 101.8. should he go to the hospital? | 02:50 |
| Publios | he was tested on monday | 02:50 |
| Publios | confirmed to have it | 02:50 |
| LjL | Publios, does he have shortness of breath? | 02:50 |
| LjL | and are you in the US (which i suspect given F)? | 02:51 |
| Publios | yes | 02:51 |
| Publios | state of Georgia | 02:51 |
| LjL | yes was also to shortness of breath? | 02:51 |
| Publios | his cough is gone, I believe. it hurts to breath in deeply. I will ask him about shortness | 02:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Venezuela: +351 cases (now 5130), +1 deaths (now 42) since 21 hours ago — Panama: +753 cases (now 30658), +17 deaths (now 592) since 23 hours ago — Texas, US: +795 cases (now 148845), +2 deaths (now 2406) since an hour ago — California, US: +468 cases (now 210849), +2 deaths (now 5904) since an hour ago | 02:51 |
| LjL | Publios, i'm not sure if hurting to breathe in deeply counts as shortness of breath, but, well, it's a subjective feeling that different people describe differently. ask him if he feels like not enough air is really getting into his lungs | 02:52 |
| Publios | ok | 02:52 |
| LjL | or that it is more troublesome than usual to breathe in enough air | 02:52 |
| Publios | if the answer is yes? | 02:52 |
| LjL | Publios, anyway let me stress that i CANNOT give you medical advice as i am not a medical professional, and neither can anybody else here. what i can do is tell you what symptoms are more or less likely to qualify him for hospitalization based on what i've heard of hospital protocols | 02:52 |
| Publios | right | 02:53 |
| Publios | ok | 02:53 |
| nixonix | hurts to breath, i think pneumonia | 02:53 |
| LjL | Publios, if the answer to shortness of breath is yes, in the "flowcharts" i've seen, that typically warrants hospitalization | 02:53 |
| Publios | ok | 02:53 |
| LjL | Publios, no matter what you do, if at all possible, you should CALL the doctor or hospital, not GO directly | 02:53 |
| Publios | yes | 02:53 |
| LjL | %cases georgia (us) | 02:53 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Georgia (US), US, there have been 74985 confirmed cases (0.7% of the population) and 2776 deaths (3.7% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 942778 tests were performed (8.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Georgia%20(US) for time series data. | 02:53 |
| Publios | there has been a serious uptick the past 2 weeks | 02:54 |
| LjL | i'm having a look | 02:54 |
| LjL | not unlike some other states | 02:54 |
| Publios | yeah and the reasons are the same | 02:54 |
| LjL | not *as bad* as some of those states, but it does look concerning | 02:55 |
| Publios | premature opening and lack of carefulness from the population | 02:55 |
| Publios | I think | 02:55 |
| LjL | mainly i checked because, realistically, the chance of your friend being admitted to hospitals are also dependent on how many people are already in hospital | 02:55 |
| Publios | thank you for your answeres LjL | 02:55 |
| Publios | yeah | 02:55 |
| LjL | his amount of fever probably doesn't qualify for hospitalization | 02:55 |
| Publios | the county he lives in also has the most cases in the satte | 02:55 |
| Publios | state* | 02:55 |
| LjL | but shortness of breath might | 02:55 |
| Publios | ok | 02:55 |
| LjL | oh | 02:56 |
| LjL | could he be hospitalized in another county maybe? may be a silly question, but i'm not from the US | 02:56 |
| Publios | but he could probably go to one closer to me. I'm in a university town with 2 major hospitals | 02:56 |
| Publios | about an hour away | 02:56 |
| Publios | 45 minutes really | 02:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 00:53 UTC: Covid2019: India Allows Use Of Low-Cost Steroid To Treat Coronavirus Patients → https://is.gd/lxHGrT | 02:56 |
| LjL | is he allowed to go outside without using an ambulance? (i.e. being driven by someone) | 02:56 |
| LjL | in other words would that drive be legal | 02:56 |
| Publios | almost certainly | 02:57 |
| nixonix | pays to hurry, i think hurting means inflammation in lungs, and probably pneumonia because this causes it. clotting can happen fast | 02:57 |
| Publios | he couldn't drive though | 02:57 |
| Publios | and his wife may not be up to it | 02:57 |
| LjL | no i wouldn't recommend driving | 02:57 |
| LjL | actually rephrase: i would strongly recommend against driving | 02:57 |
| nixonix | ambulance | 02:57 |
| Publios | he wouldn't | 02:58 |
| LjL | nixonix, ambulance... would it take it to another county? | 02:58 |
| Publios | no | 02:58 |
| LjL | err, him* | 02:58 |
| LjL | nixonix, i get your "pays to hurry", but realistically, unfortunately, in hotspots you can just be sent away even if you're not really all that "mild" | 02:58 |
| LjL | nixonix, he said he's been sick since last sunday. remind me if you remember, when does it usually get bad after sometimes getting a little better? | 03:00 |
| nixonix | "I started having symptoms and thought it was something else and lost three to four important days of treatment. I thought it was something similar. But, I am the proof that it is necessary to be precise in going to the doctor, tell him the symptoms and make the doctor attend us. That's clear. It's urgent to be attended to as faster as possible." | 03:01 |
| nixonix | i would hurry. and prob drive myself, if its necessary to get another county, but thats me | 03:01 |
| nixonix | quote was from prez of honduras (translated) | 03:02 |
| LjL | well, Publios, you said he was tested, and confirmed. so did he talk to his doctor? or a doctor at all? did they have any advice aside from "you're positive"? | 03:02 |
| nixonix | well i would call first, ask where to go, can they get me, and send ambulance or do i have to drive | 03:02 |
| nixonix | what are the options. taxi? no | 03:03 |
| nixonix | healthy driver without proper ppe? no | 03:03 |
| Publios | LjL: I do not know the specific details besides that he got a test and was confirmed positive and has the various symptoms | 03:03 |
| Publios | and has been rather sick all week | 03:03 |
| LjL | nixonix, i don't now how key it is to be treated early, but i can completely believe it *is* key. but you know where i live. people who were on the brink of death were basically refused treatment here. i expect the same to happen anywhere there is a hotspot with surge in hospital demand. if even you could be admitted to *such* a hospital, would you want to after mulling it over a bit? you'll be maybe forgotten by doctors and nurses who are busy tending to | 03:03 |
| LjL | more serious cases, while breathing as much additional viral load as your lungs can take | 03:03 |
| nixonix | clotting can happen fast. despite age, there are large vessel inflammation and sudden clots in heart or brain | 03:04 |
| Publios | he felt ill enough to not go to church and the symptoms were worrying enough he got tested on monday and received the results that evening | 03:04 |
| Publios | his wife was tested - was negative but he was warned she could still have it or have it soon and then she also got sick | 03:04 |
| LjL | Publios, well, it would help to know the exact symptoms he's feeling, and what a doctor told him, if a doctor told him anything | 03:04 |
| LjL | Publios, yes, unfortunately she's very likely to become positive soon, statistically speaking. how old is she? | 03:05 |
| Publios | he's been extremely tired no matter how much he has slept and has been controlling his fever with acetaminophen | 03:05 |
| Publios | mid 20s | 03:05 |
| nixonix | i dont know, but if i called and they say call again if it gets worse, i would say im coming now. then drive there (if in shape to drive, if not, call ambulance) | 03:05 |
| Publios | she's already mostly recovered, afaik | 03:05 |
| Publios | he is the one not improving | 03:05 |
| Publios | he does IT work from home and hasn't felt able to work all week | 03:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:55 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: global deaths near 500,000 as Australian state of Victoria steps up efforts to fight outbreak → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 03:06 |
| Publios | and breathing in deeply hurts | 03:06 |
| nixonix | chest hurst, high fever, prob pneumonia. crp somewhere fast | 03:06 |
| Publios | he's been afk about 20 minutes on FB. I called him twice but no answer. that's not worrisome. If I start to get too anxious I can text his wife | 03:06 |
| Publios | I don't know if breathing deeply still hurts though. That was on Tuesday or Wednesday | 03:07 |
| Publios | he has not said today yet | 03:07 |
| nixonix | it doesnt hurt deeply, but it hurts when breathing | 03:07 |
| Publios | his main complaint each day has been the persistent fatigue and feeling like shit | 03:07 |
| Publios | ok | 03:07 |
| nixonix | sounds pneumonia. ive had it after flu | 03:08 |
| LjL | Publios, oh sorry i failed to read the "she also got sick" part. she might want to make an effort to drive him, if she's physically fine enough | 03:09 |
| LjL | Publios, bad news is "persistent fatigue and feeling like shit" can persist for long after technically being declared recovered, too :( | 03:10 |
| Publios | ok, afk for a bit, thanks LjL and nixonix | 03:10 |
| LjL | but right now he's unlikely to be "recovered" in any shape or form anyway | 03:10 |
| LjL | Publios, let us know | 03:10 |
| Publios | I will | 03:11 |
| nixonix | it seems viral pneumonia should show up in crp too. a bit differently so that they are sometimes lower in viral than in bacterial pneumonia (the paper i have is a stufy of children, though) | 03:19 |
| nixonix | a good idea is to try to get them to make thromboelastography (in addition to common d-dimer, ferritin, fibrinogen) | 03:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Suriname: +34 cases (now 467) since 32 minutes ago — Seychelles: +9 cases (now 20) since 2 months ago — Mexico: +4410 cases (now 212802), +602 deaths (now 26381) since 23 hours ago — Guatemala: +569 cases (now 16397), +34 deaths (now 706) since 23 hours ago | 03:21 |
| EricGrahamMacEac | !cases USA | 03:47 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 2,596,537 cases as of 2020-06-28 01:22:00 UTC. Of these 1,386,948 (53.4%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 1,081,437 (41.6%) have definitely recovered and 128,152 (4.9%) have died. | 03:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gwangju, South Korea: +4 cases (now 37) since 6 days ago — South Jeolla, South Korea: +3 cases (now 23) since 24 days ago — Daejeon, South Korea: +6 cases (now 110) since 20 hours ago — Gyeonggi, South Korea: +17 cases (now 1184) since 20 hours ago | 03:51 |
| LjL | tinsoldier, "Another link to viruses is the finding of “parkinsonian clusters”. These are groups of individuals who share common environments and develop parkinsonism at greater than normal rates. Several of these “parkinsonian clusters” have been described, including those living in Israeli kibbutz’s, group of college teachers, garment workers in a manufacturing factory and a group of actors, producers and technical staff working on a t | 03:56 |
| LjL | elevision series in Canada." | 03:56 |
| LjL | https://www.worldpdcongress.org/home/2017/4/7/flu-and-you | 03:56 |
| LjL | so like | 03:56 |
| LjL | 260 viruses, and yet only in specific cases we have groups developing parkinson's, and that's also despite the lack of an obvious genetic link between the individuals in the group? | 03:57 |
| LjL | i feel there must be SO many more viruses that humans get, not even so seldom, that just aren't in the 260 | 03:57 |
| nixonix | probably, some viruses that humans sometimes catch from animals, but they dont replicate like crazy, and usually dont infect other humans. maybe sometimes, but infection numbers still are very low and the outbreak will be like two people or a few | 03:59 |
| Publios | so my friend says his fatigue has mostly manifested in him suddenly getting very tired and having to sleep a lot. He says it oesn't hurt to breathe deeply. His fever is already going down but he had an odd occurance today after his icebath where his fever went up to 102.4. Overall he said he felt better today besides waking up about an hour ago from that nap with the fever | 04:00 |
| nixonix | then hard to say. sometimes temperatures can go up and down for a while after recovering. maybe not that high usually though | 04:01 |
| nixonix | id call doctor and ask | 04:02 |
| nixonix | and try to get crp at least | 04:02 |
| nixonix | and listening lungs | 04:02 |
| Publios | what is crp | 04:03 |
| nixonix | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-reactive_protein#Acute_inflammation | 04:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bolivia: +1253 cases (now 30676), +36 deaths (now 970) since a day ago — Australia: +45 cases (now 7686) since 21 hours ago — World: +1321 cases (now 10.1 million), +36 deaths (now 501590) since 44 minutes ago — Mozambique: +23 cases (now 839) since a day ago | 04:06 |
| LjL | Publios, typically (but it's just an arbitrary number like many) it's 104F where a fever, on its own, becomes a medical emergency. but 102.4 is certainly not a low fever, i'm just saying, if it wasn't COVID, i'd take paracetamol and wish it goes away without even thinking of going to the hospital. so again i'm stressing that it's more other symptoms that may be the discriminator possibly. icebath, you say? are we sure that's a good thing to have? | 04:08 |
| Publios | I don't know | 04:10 |
| LjL | i know icebaths are done to lower very high fevers | 04:10 |
| LjL | but that's again, more than 104F | 04:10 |
| LjL | if the fever is less than that, i think at minimum, the icebath might be *masking* a fever that's really higher | 04:10 |
| LjL | and i don't know how well it plays with the lungs | 04:11 |
| LjL | it's basically a medical treatment. if a doctor told him to do it, then fine, if not, i'd ask a doctor whether it's okay | 04:11 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL, ryouma, nixonix, and others: I'm considering making a significant change to the offloop graphs and wanted to canvas opinions in case you think it's a terrible idea. I'm thinking of changing to having a single graph that you select which output you wish to see instead of having four graphs. I find I'm most interested in the lower graphs these days and find the scrolling up and down to change countries and options a bit annoying. | 04:36 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i think i'm sort of neutral on that, although i may have to think deeper. i think the biggest issue with your site right now is (for me at least, but on more than one device) is it's really, really slow to load | 04:37 |
| LjL | not a connection thing, something takes an enormous time to load on the CPU | 04:37 |
| LjL | Firefox actually tells me that a script is blocking my browser and whether i want to kill it every time | 04:37 |
| LjL | today someone complained it wasn't working, i guessed they simply hadn't waited | 04:37 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah. I may be able to improve that a bit. I think it's due to the enormous script size containing all the data. A lot of that is all the pointless 0000 on dates so I can shorten those and help a bit.. | 04:40 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, great time for my internet to drop out | 04:40 |
| tinwhiskers | Alternatively I can change to a separate json data source but not sure if I'm motivated enough to go that far without breaking the legacy data | 04:41 |
| nixonix | i like to check more graphs, and compare how are they differing, like cases graph and fatality graph, why has the ratio of them so different between denmark (normal case) and singapore (abnormal). then sometimes check also test graph, if that offers explanation | 04:41 |
| nixonix | so i like more graphs personally | 04:42 |
| tinwhiskers | I find witching between graphs with a radio button faster than scrolling | 04:42 |
| nixonix | maybe buttons where you cant turn on other graphs when you want? | 04:42 |
| LjL | nixonix, well you could still check them in separate tabs, in fact switching tabs would give a more immediate impression of how they differ than scrolling up and down | 04:42 |
| LjL | or that | 04:42 |
| tinwhiskers | kinda like how the lower (misc) graph works now except for all graphs | 04:43 |
| nixonix | yeah, it works with separate tabs, and thats i would use them if theres only one graph per page at the same time | 04:43 |
| ubLIX[m] | superimposing the various plots on one graph would be nice | 04:43 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm | 04:43 |
| nixonix | unless you usually are comparing like 4-30 countries or states... | 04:44 |
| ubLIX[m] | sure | 04:44 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, but if you are only looking at one or two countries that would be nice | 04:44 |
| ubLIX[m] | mhm | 04:44 |
| tinwhiskers | except scales are often an issue and you only have a max of two scales | 04:44 |
| ubLIX[m] | checkbox toggles for superpositions maybe | 04:44 |
| tinwhiskers | I'll have a think about that. Having to switch on one checkbox and off another might be annoying | 04:45 |
| ryouma | tinwhiskers: if the switching is fast, maybe even just a button to cycle rather than radio, sounds like a good idea | 04:46 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, we could have more graphs too. deaths / cases comes to mind, but maybe it would be worthwhile to just be able to do x / y for every x and y that you offer instead of programming "sensible" cases in an ad-hoc way | 04:46 |
| ryouma | maybe checkboxes can be used to say what to cycle | 04:46 |
| nixonix | im ok with loading times. oomph is cheap nowdays | 04:47 |
| tinwhiskers | the redrawing is fast in my experience and will be a bit faster with only one graph. But the load time is definitely an issue. | 04:47 |
| ryouma | to get FANCY you could introduce a tau | 04:47 |
| tinwhiskers | on my phone redrawing is very slow and this should improve that | 04:47 |
| ryouma | although i tend to prefer not getting fancy | 04:48 |
| ubLIX[m] | tinwhiskers: are you using some web framework in particular, or is it all hand-rolled? my browser thinks it is having to spam canvas elements to defeat fingerprinting - are there inadvertent canvas reads going on? | 04:48 |
| tinwhiskers | erm. not sure what that is | 04:48 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: ^ | 04:49 |
| tinwhiskers | No web framework | 04:49 |
| tinwhiskers | there are some canvas reads related to the country checkboxes | 04:49 |
| tinwhiskers | oh, and other checkboxes | 04:50 |
| ubLIX[m] | if it's true that most of us are running various adblockers/antifingerprinting, that could contribute a chunk of the slowdown | 04:50 |
| tinwhiskers | interesting. | 04:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express at 02:49 UTC: World: As cases surge in US, rural areas seeing increases as well → https://is.gd/PAe9HZ | 04:52 |
| Jigsy | ... | 04:52 |
| Jigsy | Not this shit again. | 04:52 |
| ryouma | tinwhiskers: if you think that in smoe country a variable precedes another, you can shift the curves so they match to get a better idea of anomalies | 04:52 |
| ryouma | tinwhiskers: but that is too fancy | 04:52 |
| LjL | oh lord again | 04:52 |
| LjL | not that it would stop the spamming per se, but among other options i wish Matrix had, i wish it made it *optional* whether a room can/will take image attachments and things like that | 04:53 |
| LjL | there are good reasons to want that, too | 04:53 |
| LjL | what if i am responsible for a room and it turns out illegal material is in the past history of files uploaded (which is preserved forever) | 04:53 |
| LjL | and i simply didn't see those things and remove them | 04:54 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah | 04:54 |
| LjL | that's more than one usually bargains for when being an op | 04:54 |
| tinwhiskers | ryouma: it does sound fancy :-/ | 04:54 |
| tinwhiskers | ok, well I'll try this single graph thing and see how it goes | 04:57 |
| tinwhiskers | removing all the extraneous 0000 from datestamps will reduce the size to 75% of the current size, which will help a bit. I'll do that first. | 04:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express at 02:59 UTC: World: Some Disneyland workers protest reopening plans amid pandemic → https://is.gd/90VCJG | 05:01 |
| ryouma | i don't think it is needed :) | 05:01 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, eh, i don't think it's just the sheer size of the script per se, but i don't know about these things | 05:02 |
| tinwhiskers | it may not be | 05:02 |
| ryouma | tinwhiskers: if it breaks my ability to email urls with all the right checkboxes set then i am against it | 05:02 |
| tinwhiskers | but no harm to try | 05:02 |
| tinwhiskers | it won't make any noticeable difference. just internal stuff | 05:03 |
| tinwhiskers | javascript timestamps include milliseconds, which I don't use | 05:03 |
| tinwhiskers | My feeling is that as the size has grown it's become much more sluggish to debug, load and even view the source and it won't hurt to try. | 05:05 |
| LjL | please forgive my spam while i just test something for a minute | 05:06 |
| LjL | ah damn, it just kicked, i forgot that | 05:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 03:09 UTC: Coronavirus: Fewer people flocking to Florida beaches as COVID-19 cases surge → https://is.gd/mzYXRU | 05:30 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 80 Percent Of LA County Restaurants And Bars Are Not Following Coronavirus Guidelines (10307 votes) | https://laist.com/latest/post/20200627/80-percent-of-LA-restaurants-not-following-coronavirus-guidelines | https://redd.it/hgzr1x | 05:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 03:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 2.5m as Australia considers new lockdown in Melbourne: Cases approach 10m ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; UK NHS will take four years to recover . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 05:40 |
| tinwhiskers | OK, well I've done the data shrinking change and it seems a little snappier to me. Would be interesting to know if anyone thinks it's any better. | 06:15 |
| tinwhiskers | snappier to load, that is. Shouldn't be any different once loaded. | 06:16 |
| tinwhiskers | but then I'm on a mobile connection so I might just be seeing an improvement in download time. | 06:16 |
| tinwhiskers | bin_bash: You had commented on the poor speed of loading up the offloop page. Is it any better for you now? | 06:17 |
| LjL | oh, i should have timed how long it took before | 06:17 |
| bin_bash | tinwhiskers: let me check | 06:18 |
| bin_bash | whats the url again tinwhiskers | 06:18 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, 16 seconds for me right now | 06:18 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: the previous version is http://offloop.net/covid19/index.42.pl | 06:18 |
| LjL | bin_bash, https://offloop.net/covid19/ | 06:18 |
| bin_bash | thx | 06:18 |
| LjL | old version actually took 13 seconds :P | 06:19 |
| LjL | it's probably random oscillations | 06:19 |
| bin_bash | it's still pretty slow for me | 06:19 |
| tinwhiskers | bugger :-) | 06:19 |
| bin_bash | but im also on an old computer | 06:19 |
| tinwhiskers | ok. ah well. worth a shot | 06:19 |
| tinwhiskers | it still saves me 30% of the data | 06:20 |
| LjL | yeah, new version also took 13 seconds now | 06:20 |
| tinwhiskers | thanks | 06:20 |
| LjL | this was on Firefox. tried on Chromium, 18 seconds | 06:21 |
| LjL | but 14 seconds on the second load, so it probably needed to cache something, and is overall similar to Firefox in the end | 06:22 |
| tinwhiskers | hrm. 15 seconds for me in firefox | 06:22 |
| tinwhiskers | what happens if you try to view source in firefox? | 06:23 |
| tinwhiskers | Mine barfs pretty badly | 06:23 |
| tinwhiskers | It used to be ok but then as the size grew it started showing an hourglass type icon, so that's why I thought size might be an issue. | 06:24 |
| tinwhiskers | Now I have to "View Source" and it does nothing, I switch to the actual page then back to source and it displays an hourglass icon for an eternity before finally showing the source. | 06:25 |
| tinwhiskers | anyway, I'm off to have a shower. thanks for testing for me. | 06:25 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, hmm F12 works fine but i don't know if i should look inside a specific thing to make it barf | 06:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 04:32 UTC: Watch | UN honours Kerala Health Minister K.K Shailaja: A video on Kerala's Health Minister K. K Shailaja who was honoured by the United Nations for her efforts to fight the coronavirus pandemic in her state → https://is.gd/IbWWQG | 06:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 04:49 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 2.5m as Australia considers new lockdown in Melbourne: Cases approach 10m ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; UK NHS will take four years to recover . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 06:57 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Risk of never fully recovering after coronavirus ‘very real,’ scientists say (10149 votes) | https://globalnews.ca/news/7111094/coronavirus-scientists-health-problems/ | https://redd.it/hh0uxc | 06:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Victoria, Australia: +81 cases (now 2028) since 2 days ago — Manitoba, Canada: +4 cases (now 322) since a day ago — Honduras: +1013 cases (now 17007), +8 deaths (now 479) since a day ago — Pakistan: +4072 cases (now 202955), +83 deaths (now 4118) since a day ago | 07:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 05:02 UTC: Two unfortunate milestones at once.: submitted by /u/crusademymind to r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV → https://is.gd/6aJQIB | 07:06 |
| yuriwho | I will be hosting a voice based COVID-19 update and Q&A for approx 2 hours tomorrow @ 2PM EDT on our Chemistry Discord Server: https://discord.gg/XNsXSB | 07:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Khmelnytskyi Oblast, Ukraine: +53 cases (now 777), +2 deaths (now 17) since 23 hours ago — Bahia, Brazil: +8822 cases (now 65244), +55 deaths (now 1697) since a day ago — San Luis Potosi, Mexico: +229 cases (now 2847), +10 deaths (now 142) since 23 hours ago — Irkutsk, Russia: +237 cases (now 6575), +5 deaths (now 55) since a day ago | 07:21 |
| tinwhiskers | hi yuriwho. looking forward to it. | 07:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:12 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 2.5m as Australia considers new lockdown in Melbourne: Cases approach 10m ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; UK NHS will take four years to recover . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 07:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 05:23 UTC: Watch | UN honours Kerala Health Minister K.K Shailaja: A video on Kerala's Health Minister K. K Shailaja who was honoured by the United Nations for her efforts to fight the coronavirus pandemic in her state → https://is.gd/IbWWQG | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 05:30 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 2.5m as Australia considers new lockdown in Melbourne: Cases approach 10m ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; UK NHS will take four years to recover . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 07:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express at 05:58 UTC: World: Coronavirus Global Cases Updates, 28 June: Cases surpass 10 million mark → https://is.gd/m2pN7A | 08:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 06:02 UTC: National: Delhi: Number of COVID-19 containment zones now 417; nearly 2.45 lakh people screened so far → https://is.gd/UnjaWz | 08:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 06:06 UTC: Coronavirus: Delhi 'wasted' lockdown to become Covid hotspot → https://is.gd/Q2pHJE | 08:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 06:23 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 2.5m as Australia considers new lockdown in Melbourne: Cases approach 10m ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; UK NHS will take four years to recover . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 08:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 07:05 UTC: CoronaVirus_ITALIA: L'autista degli imprenditori di Bergamo che tornavano da Wuhan senza controlli → https://is.gd/aK2QnR | 09:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 07:25 UTC: China virus cases stabilise as Italy sees drop in deaths: In the U.S., Vice President Mike Pence called off off a planned campaign bus tour in Florida following a surge in confirmed cases there. → https://is.gd/6kEOtD | 09:31 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !cases world | 09:50 |
| CovBot | In World there have been a total of 10,143,315 cases as of 2020-06-28 07:34:00 UTC. Of these 4,382,527 (43.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 5,259,008 (51.8%) have definitely recovered and 501,780 (4.9%) have died. | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 07:36 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus in Victoria: Daniel Andrews considers suburban lockdowns as 49 new cases confirmed → https://is.gd/0bXuF2 | 09:50 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !cases france | 09:50 |
| CovBot | In France there have been a total of 192,430 cases as of 2020-06-28 07:34:00 UTC. Of these 87,003 (45.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 75,649 (39.3%) have definitely recovered and 29,778 (15.5%) have died. | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health) at 08:00 UTC: Fashion: Here are some pictures of celebrities in blue, to drive away your lockdown blues → https://is.gd/vuFsPy | 10:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:10 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 2.5m as Australia considers new lockdown in Melbourne: Cases approach 10m ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; UK NHS will take four years to recover . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 10:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus at 08:19 UTC: Coronavirus: Las Vegas casino worker dies after testing positive for COVID-19 → https://is.gd/QgZ47w | 10:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 08:35 UTC: No shortage of masks, sanitizers at hospitals, says Ramanathapuram Collector: Speaking to reporters, District Collector K. Veera Raghava Rao, said the administration was fully equipped to handle the cases → https://is.gd/eCQ2kP | 10:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 08:47 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Florida and Texas reverse reopening as US cases pass 2.5m → https://is.gd/mKA4Ai | 10:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 08:57 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US cases pass 2.5m as Australia considers new lockdown in Melbourne: Cases approach 10m ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; UK NHS will take four years to recover . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 11:07 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Weekly COVID-19 testing with household quarantine and contact tracing is feasible and would probably end the epidemic (80 votes) | https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.200915 | https://redd.it/hh7pyu | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express at 09:36 UTC: World: Australian virus hotspot considers suburban lockdowns → https://is.gd/DwVVRz | 11:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Turks and Caicos: +12 cases (now 28) since 2 days ago — Oman: +1197 cases (now 38150), +4 deaths (now 163) since 20 hours ago — Russia: +6791 cases (now 634437), +104 deaths (now 9073) since a day ago — Armenia: +736 cases (now 24645), +5 deaths (now 426) since a day ago | 11:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 09:43 UTC: National: Universities should not conduct exams amid pandemic, online tests ‘discriminatory’, says Kapil Sibal → https://is.gd/HQelWL | 12:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express at 10:01 UTC: World: Wearing face masks, French voters return to delayed municipal elections → https://is.gd/5uj7vG | 12:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Benin: +25 cases (now 1149), +2 deaths (now 16) since 14 hours ago — Namibia: +14 cases (now 150) since 14 hours ago — Romania: +291 cases (now 26313), +23 deaths (now 1612) since 21 hours ago — Albania: +72 cases (now 2402), +2 deaths (now 55) since 21 hours ago | 12:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 10:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Expert says Scotland 'could be Covid-free by end of summer' → https://is.gd/y6judg | 12:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 10:36 UTC: Coronavirus | Over 10 million cases registered worldwide: The rate of infections worldwide continues to rise, with one million new cases recorded in just six days. → https://is.gd/a0fqAK | 12:42 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !cases UK | 12:57 |
| CovBot | In United Kingdom there have been a total of 310,250 cases as of 2020-06-28 05:05:05 UTC. Of these 266,736 (86.0%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 0 (0.0%) have definitely recovered and 43,514 (14.0%) have died. | 12:57 |
| Haley[mt][m] | !cases france | 12:58 |
| CovBot | In France there have been a total of 192,430 cases as of 2020-06-28 10:24:00 UTC. Of these 87,003 (45.2%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 75,649 (39.3%) have definitely recovered and 29,778 (15.5%) have died. | 12:58 |
| Haley[mt][m] | %cases uk | 12:58 |
| Brainstorm | Haley[mt][m]: In United Kingdom, there have been 310250 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 43514 deaths (14.0% of cases) as of 19 hours ago. 9.1 million tests were performed (3.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 12:58 |
| Haley[mt][m] | %cases France | 12:59 |
| Brainstorm | Haley[mt][m]: In France, there have been 192430 confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 29778 deaths (15.5% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 1.5 million tests were performed (12.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 12:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express at 10:59 UTC: World: Pakistan’s Covid-19 tally crosses 200,000 → https://is.gd/EIgVfK | 13:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Madagascar: +73 cases (now 2078), +2 deaths (now 18) since 21 hours ago — Kuwait: +551 cases (now 44942), +4 deaths (now 348) since 21 hours ago — Iran: +2489 cases (now 222669), +144 deaths (now 10508) since 21 hours ago — Senegal: +127 cases (now 6586), +3 deaths (now 105) since 21 hours ago | 13:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 11:00 UTC: Australian economy: Australian economy will needs up to $90bn extra after coronavirus shock, report says → https://is.gd/0PZnK1 | 13:11 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Saliva sampling is an excellent option to increase the number of SARS CoV2 diagnostic tests in settings with supplies shortages (80 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.24.170324v1 | https://redd.it/hh3pl4 | 13:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 11:16 UTC: (news): Coronavirus cases worldwide top 10 million with nearly half a million deaths — and 25% are in the US → https://is.gd/XMlCBb | 13:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 11:51 UTC: Coronavirus: Leicester 'could be locked down' says home secretary: About 25% of Leicester's 2,494 confirmed Covid-19 cases were reported in the two weeks before 16 June. → https://is.gd/FelaoP | 13:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:03 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Leicester could be first place in England to see local lockdown → https://is.gd/eGxAeq | 14:09 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Lower nasopharyngeal viral load during the latest phase of COVID-19 pandemic in a Northern Italy University Hospital (84 votes) | https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341901435_Lower_nasopharyngeal_viral_load_during_the_latest_phase_of_COVID-19_pandemic_in_a_Northern_Italy_University_Hospital | https://redd.it/hh1tvu | 14:25 |
| koheleth | More people die of the normal flu each year I do not understand why no one cares for the victims as all the fuss with cv19 | 14:27 |
| koheleth | it's as if govs see it as a culling that helps the economy | 14:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:13 UTC: Coronavirus live news: confirmed Covid-19 cases exceed 10m globally: Infections pass milestone ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; Iran makes masks compulsory → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 14:28 |
| koheleth | that Spanish flu was something eh, 50 million dead! | 14:29 |
| koheleth | some people think it started because of the trench warfare and all the bodies rotting etc | 14:30 |
| xrogaan | Because nothing about covid19 was known. | 14:31 |
| koheleth | anyone reckon that covid19 was deliberately released | 14:32 |
| xrogaan | And it's worse than the flu. If you get it and survive, you may never recover. And we don't know why people are more gravely ill than others. | 14:32 |
| koheleth | yeah attacks the lungs | 14:33 |
| xrogaan | No, it's worse than that. | 14:34 |
| koheleth | apparently most just shrug it off | 14:34 |
| xrogaan | The lungs are the first hit because that's the first place it goes. | 14:34 |
| koheleth | its nasty eh | 14:34 |
| xrogaan | It's more akin to a systemic inflammation of you blood vessels. | 14:36 |
| xrogaan | Attacks the muscle lining the interior of the arteries and all that. | 14:36 |
| xrogaan | because your immunity system goes haywire. | 14:37 |
| koheleth | one heck of a pathogen | 14:37 |
| xrogaan | So if you survive the oxygen deficiency, other organs can get crushed. | 14:37 |
| xrogaan | And if you survive that, you'll be disabled. | 14:37 |
| koheleth | I did some microbiology when I did a hnd in Agriculture | 14:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 12:26 UTC: Lockdown again in Hyderabad likely soon: Chief Minister K. Chandrasekhar Rao reviews the rising cases of coronavirus in the GHMC limits → https://is.gd/QPW0XD | 14:38 |
| koheleth | town in England is facing a second lockdown | 14:38 |
| xrogaan | I still don't understand why it isn't propagating as fast as we should expect for a brand new virus. | 14:39 |
| koheleth | why just canot use common sense is beyond me | 14:39 |
| koheleth | well the lockdown affected it | 14:39 |
| xrogaan | anyhow, good night | 14:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:33 UTC: Coronavirus live news: confirmed Covid-19 cases exceed 10m globally: Infections pass milestone ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; Iran makes masks compulsory → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 14:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 12:48 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Screen survivors of Covid-19 for PTSD, say mental health experts → https://is.gd/V3JDMo | 14:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 13:13 UTC: Coronavirus: Leicester 'could be locked down' says home secretary: About 25% of Leicester's 2,494 confirmed Covid-19 cases were reported in the two weeks before 16 June. → https://is.gd/FelaoP | 15:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 13:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus cases worldwide top 10 million with nearly half a million deaths — and 25% are in the US → https://is.gd/XMlCBb | 15:26 |
| python476 | wow it's june 2020 and people are still comparing flu to covid in anger | 15:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Serbia: +254 cases (now 14046), +3 deaths (now 270) since a day ago — Saudi Arabia: +3979 cases (now 182483), +40 deaths (now 1551) since a day ago — Iraq: +2140 cases (now 45402), +96 deaths (now 1756) since a day ago — Brazil: +3333 cases (now 1.3 million), +46 deaths (now 57149) since 14 hours ago | 15:38 |
| iz | a nice chart here, showing how bad things are relatively in USA and Brazil now; https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/new-cases | 15:40 |
| python476 | thanks iz | 15:43 |
| python476 | iz.. sadly laughable | 15:44 |
| python476 | I bet epidemiologists are banging their head against the table | 15:44 |
| python476 | "we told you. we told you. we told you" | 15:44 |
| iz | yeah, both usa and brazil have leaders promoting that ppl don't wear masks | 15:45 |
| python476 | and us non coordinated lockdown lifting | 15:45 |
| python476 | best way to maintain a neverending flow of contagious people around | 15:45 |
| iz | yeah, it's so dumb and i think everyone else knew texas and florida were opening too soon, while infection rates were still going up | 15:46 |
| python476 | americans have gone cowboy too much on this | 15:46 |
| python476 | their economy will be hurt longer and deeper | 15:47 |
| python476 | the hangover won't be shallow | 15:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 13:45 UTC: Lockdown aids health workers to do more testing: Parts of Madurai district observed a total lockdown on Sunday with all commercial establishments remaining shut and people staying indoors. Only medic → https://is.gd/VmRmv1 | 15:55 |
| ottavio | Does anybody have an official UK gov link for the reopening of hotels, accommodation business, etc? | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 14:10 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Leicester 'could be locked down' says home secretary → https://is.gd/FelaoP | 16:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 14:15 UTC: (news): Coronavirus: Florida and Texas reverse reopening as US cases pass 2.5m → https://is.gd/mKA4Ai | 16:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:23 UTC: Outrage over Trump’s retweet of supporter shouting ‘white power’ – live: Trump retweets video of supporters clashing with protesters in Florida Live global updates : confirmed Covid-19 cases exceed 10m worldwide US reports more than 42,000 new coronavirus cases on Saturday 2.47pm BST → https://is.gd/szJcTE | 16:33 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 311151 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 43550 deaths (14.0% of cases) as of 7 minutes ago. 9.1 million tests were performed (3.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 16:40 |
| Jigsy | %cases World | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In World, there have been 10.2 million confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 502744 deaths (4.9% of cases) as of 7 minutes ago. 244.9 million tests were performed (4.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming testing prevalence) and less than 8.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries).. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 16:40 |
| Jigsy | Wow, ten million. | 16:41 |
| moane[m] | It's nothing compared to world population. | 16:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 14:41 UTC: Kerala: Pathanamthitta has 171 active cases → https://is.gd/ApXFWp | 16:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 14:50 UTC: Coronavirus live news: confirmed Covid-19 cases exceed 10m globally: Infections pass milestone ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; Iran makes masks compulsory → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 17:02 |
| Spec | bn_mobile: what sort of hydroponics | 17:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 14:54 UTC: Karnataka government looking to tag those in home quarantine: In light of a large number of people in quarantine violating the rules with impunity and putting the community at risk of contracting COVID-19, the S → https://is.gd/gzYcye | 17:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health at 15:17 UTC: (news): Coronavirus UK map: How many confirmed cases are there in your area? → https://is.gd/8rLBbe | 17:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ghana: +311 cases (now 16742), +9 deaths (now 112) since 21 hours ago — Florida, US: +8530 cases (now 141075), +27 deaths (now 3419) since 22 hours ago — US: +9159 cases (now 2.6 million), +41 deaths (now 128202) since an hour ago — Azerbaijan: +534 cases (now 16424), +5 deaths (now 198) since 23 hours ago | 17:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 15:25 UTC: Outrage over Trump’s retweet of supporter shouting ‘white power’ – live: Tim Scott, the only black Republican in the Senate, condemns Trump’s retweet of video and says it should be removed US reports more than 42,000 new coronavirus cases on Saturday Live global updates : confirmed Covid-19 cases exceed 10m [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/szJcTE | 17:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Arizona, US: +3857 cases (now 73908), +9 deaths (now 1588) since 23 hours ago — US: +3857 cases (now 2.6 million), +9 deaths (now 128211) since 19 minutes ago — World: +6211 cases (now 10.2 million), +43 deaths (now 502850) since 19 minutes ago — India: +2156 cases (now 546771), +34 deaths (now 16458) since 19 minutes ago | 17:38 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Italy for 1st time sees single-digit daily deaths from COVID-19 (10006 votes) | https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-coronavirus-outbreak/italy-for-1st-time-sees-single-digit-daily-deaths-from-covid-19/1892183 | https://redd.it/hh8d6d | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 15:52 UTC: U.S. coronavirus cases surge by more than 45,000 in one day, total surpasses 2.5 million: There were 45,255 additional Covid-19 cases reported across the nation on Friday, bringing the total to more than 2.46 million cases, according to Johns Hopkins University data. → https://is.gd/2k7JYh | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Algeria: +305 cases (now 13273), +5 deaths (now 897) since 23 hours ago — Portugal: +457 cases (now 41646), +3 deaths (now 1564) since a day ago — US: +1298 cases (now 2.6 million), +5 deaths (now 128216) since 36 minutes ago — Connecticut, US: +97 cases (now 46303), +5 deaths (now 4316) since 22 hours ago | 18:08 |
| spybert | Any opinions on how accurate/usefull the covid-19 antibody tests are? | 18:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 16:14 UTC: Florida reports second consecutive day of record coronavirus cases, highest since pandemic began: Coronavirus cases have been rising by the thousands in Florida in recent days, along with a surge in many other states, particularly in the South and West. → https://is.gd/Q9jY2A | 18:19 |
| LjL | spybert, i believe there's a *ton* different tests on the market. some are shit, some are pretty okay, but statistically it all depends on the expected amount of prevalence: even a test with otherwise good specificity gives enough false positives to become useless if the prevalence if quite low | 18:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 16:15 UTC: National: Coronavirus | FIR against Baba Ramdev, others on COVID-19 cure claim → https://is.gd/XzNQBN | 18:29 |
| spybert | LjL: I was just wondering because I had a nasty case of a flu-like illness last February that was probably covid-19, and I wanted to be sure. | 18:29 |
| LjL | spybert, i would wait some more, not because there *aren't* any good tests, but because i suspect it's unlikely you'd be able to find a commercially available one and determine it's reliable right now. bit of a jungle i think. but maybe others know where you could go. | 18:31 |
| spybert | LjL: That figures, certainly can't depend on the government to certify these things in the US. | 18:33 |
| spybert | It's not academic anymore now that the infection rates are climbing so dramatically | 18:34 |
| nospinzy | who do we need to come in? | 18:35 |
| nospinzy | world government | 18:35 |
| LjL | spybert, one thing you could do, but it would likely take a good amount of time and maybe result in nothing useful, is look at antibody-related studies, see if they specify the exact "brand" of test they used, and see if they tested its specificity/sensitivity in a reliable way when they did the study. if they are good, then the next step would be to see if that particular test is available commercially to individual patients. | 18:35 |
| LjL | ... at a location that you can conceivably reach | 18:35 |
| LjL | so it's really a lot of "ifs" | 18:36 |
| nospinzy | look at the panic in here | 18:36 |
| LjL | nospinzy, uhm? | 18:36 |
| python476 | who tracks vaccine progress btw ? | 18:37 |
| nospinzy | you do not do your research about the herbal cures | 18:37 |
| LjL | nospinzy, what the hell are you talking about? | 18:37 |
| nospinzy | have you dont and fucking research yet? | 18:37 |
| nospinzy | at all? | 18:37 |
| nospinzy | wow | 18:37 |
| LjL | python476, there are some vaccine tracker pages listed at https://covid19.speckops.network/ | 18:37 |
| LjL | i haven't visited them in a while tbh though | 18:37 |
| spybert | covid-19 made its way into the healthcare facility where my wife works, and the management is in a state of panic. Lots of senior staff not even showing up in the office. | 18:38 |
| spybert | Totally disgraceful, but this facility normally handles SNF and sub-acute patients. They aren't up to dealing with rabidly infectious patients. | 18:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 16:41 UTC: SSLC student from Udupi tests positive for COVID-19: A 15-year-old class 10 student from Padubidri in Udupi district tested positive for COVID-19 on Sunday. She will write the remaining papers of the SS → https://is.gd/XlMozU | 18:48 |
| LjL | spybert, if they aren't equipped to deal with it, shouldn't it be reasonable to send COVID patients somewhere specialized? | 18:50 |
| spybert | LjL: I think its all about the money, and nobody will accept a transfer of covid patients. | 18:51 |
| LjL | hmm | 18:51 |
| LjL | i guess here, some hospitals would *have* to accept them, except of course during the time when all COVID hospitals were way full, it was a physical impossibility | 18:51 |
| spybert | LjL: Also, the senior staff has decided to stop seeing patients, leaving the lower ranks to take up the slack and face all the danger. This of course is likely to lead 50+% of the nursing staff to quit in disgust. | 18:53 |
| LjL | gah | 18:54 |
| spybert | This is in the US state of California, by the way | 18:54 |
| LjL | spybert, consider in India, nurses have been evicted from their homes because of fear from neighbors / landlords, and without reaching those extremes, they have been ostracized in their homes in some episodes in Italy and France too | 18:55 |
| LjL | California is getting out of control casewise :\ | 18:55 |
| spybert | LjL: Even here, certain businesses won't allow shoppers to enter who are wearing medical uniforms | 18:56 |
| LjL | :( | 18:56 |
| LjL | i don't think that would be legally allowed here... although that doesn't mean it's not happening anyway | 18:57 |
| spybert | You can complain and maybe a year later some state agency will say "They shouldn't so that" | 18:58 |
| spybert | maybe they get a $100 fine or something | 18:59 |
| LjL | those who've said the pandemic has brought out some better aspects in people and things... and there've been a few saying that on media... must have lived in a different pandemic | 19:01 |
| spybert | yup | 19:01 |
| spybert | But after reading up on what happened in the US during WW2 immediately after the Pearl Harbor attack, it doesn't seem so surprising. The myth of everyone coming together to work for the common good was a myth manufactured by propagandists | 19:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 16:56 UTC: CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Eco-friendly, coronavirus-killing masks are being developed by Kentucky researchers: "partnership between University of Kentucky and Somerset Community College professors could soon deliver 3D-printed, customizable masks that hold a re-usable, washable filter that can inactivate COVID-19" → https://is.gd/FYRBW5 | 19:07 |
| spybert | LjL: I think the sugar-coated Hollywood version of public behavior in past disasters has set our expectations too high :-( | 19:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test) at 17:10 UTC: nCoV: Number of Covid-19 infections tops 10m worldwide | 28JUN20 → https://is.gd/oU2ELW | 19:17 |
| LjL | spybert, in my opinion much of Hollywood, and nevermind current American TV series, are basically propaganda. i watch them anyway, but i think it's worthwhile to recognize that. | 19:19 |
| LjL | they deliberately portray America and Americans in an unrealistically positive way, and when they portray them negatively, there's always some redeeming factor | 19:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 17:18 UTC: Swab samples to be lifted from UPHCs: Madurai Corporation will start collecting swab samples at all 31 UPHCs in the city from Monday.Till now, samples had been collected in 12 UPHCS. Samp → https://is.gd/1E7WJB | 19:26 |
| spybert | LjL: It would of course be much better if deficiencies were revealed so that some effort could be made to remedy them, but I guess we can't really expect that | 19:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:26 UTC: Coronavirus live news: confirmed Covid-19 cases exceed 10m globally: Infections pass milestone ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; Iran makes masks compulsory → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 19:36 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: When two pandemics meet: Why is obesity associated with increased COVID-19 mortality? (81 votes) | https://www.cell.com/med/fulltext/S2666-6340(20)30010-6 | https://redd.it/hh8198 | 19:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:36 UTC: Florida reports second consecutive day of record coronavirus cases, highest since pandemic began: Coronavirus cases have been rising by the thousands in Florida in recent days, along with a surge in many other states, particularly in the South and West. → https://is.gd/Q9jY2A | 19:46 |
| yuriwho | I will be hosting a voice based COVID-19 update and Q&A for approx 2 hours tomorrow @ 2PM EDT on our Chemistry Discord Server: https://discord.gg/XNsXSB starts in 10 minutes | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Palestine: +136 cases (now 1990) since 8 hours ago — Chile: +4216 cases (now 271982), +162 deaths (now 5509) since a day ago — South Africa: +6334 cases (now 138134), +43 deaths (now 2456) since 20 hours ago — South Carolina, US: +1381 cases (now 33320), +5 deaths (now 716) since 23 hours ago | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:42 UTC: Outrage over Trump’s retweet of supporter shouting ‘white power’ – live: Trump deletes tweet of video of his supporters yelling ‘white power’ Number of coronavirus cases in Florida rose by 8,530 to 141,075 Sunday Live global updates : confirmed Covid-19 cases exceed 10m worldwide 6.36pm BST → https://is.gd/szJcTE | 19:55 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: It’s Official—Americans Won’t Be Allowed Into Europe When It Reopens (11704 votes) | https://www.afar.com/magazine/europe-finally-set-to-reopen-but-not-to-us-travelers | https://redd.it/hhgc4u | 19:57 |
| LjL | lol | 20:02 |
| LjL | "The E.U.'s announcement is incredibly disappointing, and a step in the wrong direction as we seek to rebuild our global economy," U.S. Travel Association Executive Vice President for Public Affairs and Policy Tori Emerson Barnes said. "This is unwelcome news, and will have major negative implications for an economic recovery—particularly if this ban results in cycles of retaliation, as is so often the case." | 20:03 |
| LjL | at the same time as | 20:03 |
| LjL | "A ban on most travel from Europe to the United States, which was put in place on March 16, remains in effect." | 20:03 |
| LjL | it's the US which is, consistently, incredibly disappointing | 20:03 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 20:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 17:54 UTC: Nancy Pelosi calls for CDC to mandate Americans wear masks amid surge in coronavirus cases: Mask wearing has become a point of contention across the U.S., despite research showing that face coverings prevent coronavirus transmission. → https://is.gd/xiP2nJ | 20:05 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Warning signs: more Canadians thinking about suicide during pandemic (84 votes) | https://cmha.ca/news/warning-signs-more-canadians-thinking-about-suicide-during-pandemic | https://redd.it/hhh2ib | 20:09 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, to be fair, the reddit thread is mostly full of americans approving the decision | 20:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 17:56 UTC: Coronavirus live news: confirmed Covid-19 cases exceed 10m globally: Infections pass milestone ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; Iran makes masks compulsory → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 20:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 18:11 UTC: Three more COVID-19 deaths in Dakshina Kannada: Dakshina Kannada reported three more COVID-19 deaths on Sunday taking the toll to 11. In a record single-day spike of positive cases, 97 persons teste → https://is.gd/ZbEPWv | 20:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malawi: +108 cases (now 1146) since 18 hours ago — Michigan, US: +267 cases (now 69946), +5 deaths (now 6158) since a day ago — California, US: +394 cases (now 211243), +1 deaths (now 5905) since 17 hours ago — Iowa, US: +52 cases (now 28482), +1 deaths (now 705) since 3 hours ago | 20:24 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Modified Vaccinia Ankara Based SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Expressing Full-Length Spike Induces Strong Neutralizing Antibody Response (83 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.27.175166v1 | https://redd.it/hhggev | 20:33 |
| LjL | yuriwho's message said "tomorrow", but FYI, it is now, probably overlooked when pasting | 20:35 |
| LjL | from earlier | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:29 UTC: Coronavirus live news: confirmed Covid-19 cases exceed 10m globally: Infections pass milestone ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; Iran makes masks compulsory → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 20:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 18:38 UTC: Outrage over Trump’s retweet of supporter shouting ‘white power’ – live: Trump deletes tweet of video of his supporters yelling ‘white power’ Nancy Pelosi suggests Russia has information on Trump Andrew Cuomo: White House ‘in denial’ about Covid-19 pandemic Live global updates : confirmed Covid-19 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/szJcTE | 20:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Louisiana, US: +1454 cases (now 56258), +9 deaths (now 3206) since a day ago — Turkey: +1356 cases (now 197239), +15 deaths (now 5097) since a day ago — US: +2598 cases (now 2.6 million), +69 deaths (now 128313) since 40 minutes ago — New York, US: +544 cases (now 416562), +31 deaths (now 31483) since 18 hours ago | 20:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 18:56 UTC: ‘COVID-19 test result negative for HR&CE Minister’: Hindu Religious and Charitable Endowments Minister Sevoor S. Ramachandran and his three family members underwent swab test on Friday, and the results → https://is.gd/L5NSCx | 21:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia (US), US: +2225 cases (now 77210), +2 deaths (now 2778) since 23 hours ago — Eswatini: +36 cases (now 781), +3 deaths (now 11) since 23 hours ago — Lesotho: +3 cases (now 27) since a day ago — US: +2254 cases (now 2.6 million), +2 deaths (now 128315) since 24 minutes ago | 21:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:04 UTC: Coronavirus live news: confirmed Covid-19 cases exceed 10m globally: Infections pass milestone ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; Iran makes masks compulsory → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 21:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu at 19:12 UTC: Tamil Nadu: Stung by lockdown, schools focus on conceptual learning → https://is.gd/AyAXqn | 21:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 19:19 UTC: Outrage over Trump’s retweet of supporter shouting ‘white power’ – live: Trump deletes tweet of video of his supporters yelling ‘white power’ Nancy Pelosi suggests Russia has information on Trump Andrew Cuomo: White House ‘in denial’ about Covid-19 pandemic Live global updates : confirmed Covid-19 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/szJcTE | 21:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Namibia: +33 cases (now 183) since 9 hours ago — Brazil: +3795 cases (now 1.3 million), +25 deaths (now 57174) since 6 hours ago — World: +3828 cases (now 10.2 million), +25 deaths (now 503297) since 33 minutes ago | 21:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 19:54 UTC: 'We have to act' — HHS Secretary Azar warns 'window closing' to halt coronavirus spike: Azar also denied that states reopening prematurely was tied to the spike in coronavirus cases and instead blamed "inappropriate individual behavior" that has spread the virus. → https://is.gd/7v3uoN | 22:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Paraguay: +185 cases (now 2127) since 22 hours ago — Missouri, US: +395 cases (now 21201), +2 deaths (now 1023) since a day ago — Kansas, US: +214 cases (now 13891), +1 deaths (now 271) since a day ago — US: +1998 cases (now 2.6 million), +7 deaths (now 128322) since an hour ago | 22:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:13 UTC: Outrage over Trump’s retweet of supporter shouting ‘white power’ – live: Trump deletes tweet of video of his supporters yelling ‘white power’ Nancy Pelosi suggests Russia has information on Trump Andrew Cuomo: White House ‘in denial’ about Covid-19 pandemic Live global updates : confirmed Covid-19 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/szJcTE | 22:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 20:38 UTC: (news): California orders bars to close in Los Angeles and other counties over coronavirus spread → https://is.gd/GSsZkd | 22:49 |
| ryouma | what events besides the ja internment camps are you referring to? --- 10:04 <spybert> But after reading up on what happened in the US during WW2 immediately after the Pearl Harbor attack, it doesn't seem so surprising. The myth of everyone coming together to work for the common good was a myth manufactured by propagandists | 22:55 |
| ryouma | also do you have specific propagandists in mind? | 22:56 |
| ryouma | (these questions are not meant to challenge you, but to ask you what you mean) | 22:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 20:47 UTC: Outrage over Trump’s retweet of supporter shouting ‘white power’ – live: Trump deletes tweet of video of his supporters yelling ‘white power’ Nancy Pelosi suggests Russia has information on Trump Andrew Cuomo: White House ‘in denial’ about Covid-19 pandemic Live global updates : confirmed Covid-19 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/szJcTE | 22:58 |
| spybert | ryouma: There was an incredible amount of hoarding as people stripped the shelves of toilet paper and canned food. Also, people with a bit more vision bought things like tires on speculation, assuming they would become impossible to obtain after Japan cut off access to rubber plantations. | 22:59 |
| ryouma | tp back then? | 23:00 |
| ryouma | well i guess ww2 movies show a rosier picture overall | 23:01 |
| spybert | ryouma: Then there was a lot of petty selfishness relating to blackout orders. People wanted to be as free as they were before the attack and insisted on driving at night with their lights on and not covering their windows sufficiently. | 23:01 |
| spybert | ryouma: Oh yeah, TP hoarding seems to go way back in US history :)) | 23:01 |
| ryouma | you'd think they'd be inviting attacks on themselves by doing that | 23:01 |
| ryouma | unless the lights are used for navigation only | 23:02 |
| spybert | ryouma: They were, and did. | 23:02 |
| ryouma | tp in the pandemic started in asia i am guessing | 23:02 |
| spybert | The east coast was lit up like a Christmas tree, so the German subs could see cargo ships as shadows against the city lights | 23:03 |
| ryouma | i heard that there was no question of the draft as coercion because they alraeyd had a problem of too many men signing up. so teh draft was just a sort of organizing step. unlike later when russia invaded afghanistan when it became obviously coercion. is tihs not the case? | 23:04 |
| ryouma | so was there gung ho in that one thing? | 23:04 |
| ryouma | i.e. volunteering | 23:04 |
| ryouma | 9/11 had volunteers. the pandemic had gung ho for about a microsecond. | 23:05 |
| spybert | ryouma: The US has an all volunteer army now that jobs are harder to find. Everyone I knew who was in the military in that time period was motivated by finance more than patriotism. | 23:06 |
| ryouma | the uk "blitz spirit" is also propaganda? (idk what it precisely meant.) | 23:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:18 UTC: Coronavirus live news: global Covid-19 death toll passes 500,000: Infections pass milestone ; new Covid-19 clusters across world spark fear of second wave ; Iran makes masks compulsory → https://is.gd/Be6hP7 | 23:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 21:40 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia update: jobkeeper changes kept under wraps as authorities claim Victoria outbreak 'not a second wave' – live news → https://is.gd/c0g3Oa | 23:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 21:51 UTC: (news): More than 500,000 people have died from coronavirus worldwide as infections continue to surge → https://is.gd/eJI2Vz | 23:56 |
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