| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:02 UTC: Global health experts tell Congress Trump's decision to cut ties with WHO is 'tragic,' 'deeply unwise': "You asked, Mr. Chairman, who's the fire department, who responds when there's an outbreak that threatens to become an epidemic," former U.S. Ambassador Jimmy Kolker said. "My reply to that question is there is no [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/FBKUS0 | 00:07 |
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| LjL | freelock, mjr[m]: can you read me from here? you've both been annoyed by the spam (like countless others i guess, but you've expressed it) and right now i am unable to even post messages from Riot because the client is too busy processing the spam, i think. i've tried to set the room to invite-only, but i don't know if that went through. can you respond? | 00:14 |
| mjr[m] | LjL: i can read you from here | 00:15 |
| LjL | mjr[m], is the spam ongoing? | 00:15 |
| mjr[m] | LjL: | 00:15 |
| mjr[m] | still is | 00:15 |
| LjL | mjr[m], if the gateway made you a moderator, can you please ban the spammers (and if your client does that, remove the messages at the same time)? i'll try to get the situation back under control but right now what i do just seems to be ignored | 00:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:13 UTC: Dr. Anthony Fauci says U.S. coronavirus outbreak is 'going to be very disturbing,' could top 100,000 new cases a day: "We are now having 40 plus thousand new cases a day. I would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day if this does not turn around, and so I am very concerned," Fauci said. → https://is.gd/AvbyAK | 00:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Texas, US: +4540 cases (now 163850), +36 deaths (now 2473) since 6 hours ago — Brazil: +18363 cases (now 1.4 million), +667 deaths (now 59594) since 5 hours ago — California, US: +3197 cases (now 227178), +31 deaths (now 6018) since 5 hours ago — Peru: +2848 cases (now 285213), +173 deaths (now 9677) since a day ago | 00:22 |
| mjr[m] | k its done | 00:23 |
| LjL | mjr[m], thanks, i have just been "doing" it too, at least from my Riot client's side it was showing the room as locked, the user(s) as banned, and now maybe finally all the posts as removed (but on the other hand, he's started inviting me to direct message...?! ugh), but still, messages i send don't seem to get through, or take a long time. i typed "test" a couple of minutes ago but it's still in light gray and i can't see it from IRC | 00:25 |
| LjL-Matrix | test | 00:25 |
| LjL | oh, finally | 00:25 |
| LjL | now it went through, maybe my client has caught up | 00:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health at 22:23 UTC: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Texas reports another record jump in cases; more states impose travel quarantines → https://is.gd/m3hvjW | 00:26 |
| genera | it's 00:31 might be 22:31 GMT | 00:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:30 UTC: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia update: Melbourne's hotspot suburbs in lockdown as Victoria struggles to contain outbreak – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 00:36 |
| LjL | genera, it's the time when the newspiece was published, not the current time | 00:36 |
| LjL | we already have our irc timestamps for those :P | 00:36 |
| LjL | it's mainly a thing i added for debugging because some things weren't checking out. maybe i'll remove it | 00:36 |
| LjL | anything posted should be fairly recent, but instead it wasn't seeming to be, so | 00:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nicaragua: +349 cases (now 2519), +9 deaths (now 83) since 6 days ago — North Carolina, US: +434 cases (now 65397), +4 deaths (now 1376) since 18 minutes ago — Texas, US: +384 cases (now 164234), +3 deaths (now 2476) since 18 minutes ago — US: +979 cases (now 2.7 million), +17 deaths (now 129997) since 18 minutes ago | 00:37 |
| mjr[m] | it worked! | 00:41 |
| mjr[m] | from riot all the posts are removed | 00:41 |
| mjr[m] | * it worked | 00:41 |
| LjL | i don't know what to do now though, obviously the room shouldn't stay invite-only on the Matrix side, but that spammer seemed to have no intention to stop, and i asked #matrix:matrix.org if that's the place to get help with a situation like this, but no reply so far | 00:44 |
| LjL | on irc i'd have an idea or two of how to at least mitigate it | 00:44 |
| LjL | on matrix not so much | 00:44 |
| LjL | especially if the client gets overwhelmed trying | 00:44 |
| NGravity | 10 milions of covid is hot | 00:52 |
| LjL | %cases world | 00:57 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In World, there have been 10.6 million confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 513301 deaths (4.8% of cases) as of 7 minutes ago. 249.2 million tests were performed (4.3% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming testing prevalence) and less than 8.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries).. See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 00:57 |
| slondr | Woah, since when is this room invite-only? | 00:58 |
| LjL | slondr, since a few minutes ago. i had to do it because of unrelenting spam, if you see above i had to ask mjr[m] to intervene because my client was just frozen from trying to auto-remove all the messages | 00:58 |
| LjL | and by messages i mean hundreds of pictures | 00:58 |
| slondr | oh shit damn | 00:59 |
| LjL | i've asked #matrix:matrix.org if they can help me with this kind of thing but got no response, not sure if there's a better place to get admin attention | 00:59 |
| LjL | i'd know how to deal with this sort of thing on the IRC side at least to some extent | 00:59 |
| LjL | but right now for instance, on IRC i'd know how to make the channel invite-only but at the same time those who try to join without an invite would be sent into a fallback channel where the topic explains the situation | 00:59 |
| LjL | no idea how to do any similar mitigation on Matrix | 01:00 |
| tinwhiskers | Wonder why they never made it to irc? | 01:04 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, yes, but i'm sure you're about to tell me | 01:06 |
| tinwhiskers | No. No idea. Blissfully unaware. | 01:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 22:56 UTC: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live updates: Greece faces 'huge difficulties' when flights resume; 'irregularities' in Slovenia PPE purchase → https://is.gd/kzZmZ8 | 01:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:18 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US buys nearly all global remdesivir stocks as Brazil deaths near 60,000: Three asylum seekers at camp near US border test positive for coronavirus ; UN asks for nearly $10bn in aid for Syria; Greece faces ‘huge difficulties’ when flights resume. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 01:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 23:46 UTC: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia update: Melbourne's hotspot suburbs in lockdown as Victoria struggles to contain outbreak – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 02:02 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Fauci says new US coronavirus cases could hit 100,000 a day in stark warning to Senate – live (10187 votes) | https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/jun/30/russian-bounty-payments-donald-trump-briefing-afghanistan-live-updates | https://redd.it/hiqpog | 02:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian at 00:04 UTC: Coronavirus live news: US buys nearly all global remdesivir stocks as Brazil deaths near 60,000: Three asylum seekers at camp near US border test positive for coronavirus ; UN asks for nearly $10bn in aid for Syria; Greece faces ‘huge difficulties’ when flights resume. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 02:12 |
| LjL | %title https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-30/australia-unveils-10-year-defence-strategy/12408232 | 02:19 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.abc.net.au: Australia to spend $270b building larger military to prepare for 'poorer, more dangerous' world and rise of China - ABC News | 02:19 |
| LjL | fucking seriously? not $270b for healthcare and replenishing the pocket of people now in jeopardy? | 02:19 |
| LjL | the world is poorer? MAKE GUNS FOR IT | 02:19 |
| PlanckWalk | They already are spending ~$400B on healthcare and support | 02:28 |
| PlanckWalk | Also that $270B is over the next decade, not this year | 02:29 |
| PlanckWalk | (The $400B is this year) | 02:29 |
| PlanckWalk | Well, last financial year and this financial year considering that it just ticked over :) | 02:31 |
| PlanckWalk | The headline is grossly misleading. It reads like "$270B new military spending this year", when it's actually total spending over the next ten years. | 02:33 |
| PlanckWalk | I.e. not much more than previous decades | 02:33 |
| LjL | it says "Its budget was expected to grow to 2 per cent of Australia's gross domestic product by 2020-21, "equating to approximately $200 billion in Australia's defence capability over 10 years", making the new announcement an increase of $70 billion to the department." | 02:37 |
| LjL | so yeah, headline is headline | 02:37 |
| LjL | but if 70 billion is in one year, that's not peanuts either...? or am i misreading that too | 02:38 |
| PlanckWalk | No, the extra $70B is over 10 years | 02:38 |
| PlanckWalk | Still not peanuts, but much less than implied. | 02:38 |
| LjL | ah | 02:39 |
| PlanckWalk | The usual spending has been just under 2% GDP (~$20B/year), the new commitment is about 2.6% GDP | 02:40 |
| PlanckWalk | ~30% increase is still quite a lot | 02:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Texas reports another record jump in cases; more states impose travel quarantines → https://is.gd/m3hvjW | 02:49 |
| ryouma | this interstate travel ban is new right? | 02:56 |
| ryouma | quarantine, whatever | 02:56 |
| LjL | ryouma, well NY started a while ago, for some measure of a while | 02:57 |
| LjL | days, weeks, honestly i don't remember | 02:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia update: Melbourne's hotspot suburbs in lockdown as Victoria struggles to contain outbreak – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 02:59 |
| ryouma | LjL: i meant compared to e.g. ny peak | 03:03 |
| ryouma | i guess china probably had intra-national borders but anyplace else? northern italy vs. southern? | 03:03 |
| LjL | ryouma, italy just had borders between every municipality and then every region until recently | 03:09 |
| LjL | it was a crime to cross region boundaries | 03:09 |
| ryouma | wow | 03:09 |
| LjL | spain was similar | 03:09 |
| ryouma | if betweene very municipality then why also region | 03:10 |
| LjL | not sure about france and the uk, probably not to the same extent | 03:10 |
| LjL | ryouma, because there were different exceptions | 03:10 |
| LjL | remember we were under lockdown in the first place for most of that time | 03:10 |
| ryouma | is the usa shutting down commerce between states by doing this? that's like destroying the bible or something. | 03:10 |
| LjL | so we couldn't really be outside *anywhere* without a reason written on a police form | 03:10 |
| LjL | which is, by the way, the real meaning of "lockdown", not the watered-down meaning often used in the US | 03:10 |
| ryouma | ok so it was complex | 03:10 |
| ryouma | watered-down meaning what no sanctions? no papers checked? | 03:11 |
| ryouma | there are loose sanctions now i think | 03:11 |
| LjL | ryouma, if i wanted to buy groceries, i had to compile a form and state so. if police stopped me, i had to show it. but the grocery store had to be in the same municipality. except, if i could show i lived much closer to the store in another municipality, then i could have an exception for that. except, regional boundaries were off-limit even in that case | 03:11 |
| ryouma | i sohuldn't say what idk. there are sanctions supposedly now | 03:11 |
| LjL | plus, when they lifted the rule about municipalities, they didn't immediately lift the one about regions | 03:12 |
| LjL | now i don't really remember the timeframe, but it was at least some 15 days | 03:12 |
| ryouma | the police were srsly busy! | 03:12 |
| ryouma | it sounds like | 03:12 |
| LjL | ryouma, i mean that in much of the US it's just about commercial and work activities, rather than people just not being allowed to be outside except for compelling reasons | 03:12 |
| ryouma | right | 03:12 |
| ryouma | essential workers vs. not | 03:12 |
| ryouma | and certain businesses closed is all | 03:13 |
| LjL | ryouma, well i don't know how busy they were, but the few times i went out during those times, police and public transport were the *only* vehicles on the streets pretty much | 03:13 |
| LjL | by foot, if you looked busy and you didn't look 90, you'd probably be left alone | 03:13 |
| LjL | but if you were walking leisurely, or with other people, or so, they'd question you | 03:13 |
| LjL | and cars would very likely get pulled over | 03:13 |
| ryouma | so they cared about elderly wandering around without knowing the problem? | 03:13 |
| LjL | essential workers would have to show their badge and a letter by the employer | 03:13 |
| LjL | ryouma, i don't know if they cared per se, but it was just more likely they weren't outside for work-related reasons | 03:14 |
| LjL | ryouma, in the US you cannot really close interstate borders without declaring martial law for real, but i guess these quarantines don't technically violate freedom of movement | 03:14 |
| LjL | i mean maybe they genuinely cared too, but *i* don't care much for the police, so i may be biased on their motives | 03:15 |
| LjL | anyway, if you didn't realize parts of europe, at least parts, were locked down *like this*, well maybe that explains why the US is doing much worse with COVID than Europe | 03:16 |
| LjL | people are saying we reopened too early, but really most states didn't even really really close | 03:16 |
| LjL | China locked down even harder than Europe (maybe too hard, i am prepared to admit), and they controlled it better | 03:16 |
| LjL | not much of a pattern, but | 03:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US buys nearly all global remdesivir stocks as Brazil deaths near 60,000: Three asylum seekers at camp near US border test positive for coronavirus ; UN asks for nearly $10bn in aid for Syria; Greece faces ‘huge difficulties’ when flights resume. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 03:18 |
| ryouma | well i followed along about papers and such as you reported it but didn't really realize it was like that | 03:18 |
| ryouma | i envy the japanese hospital beds per citizen number and i wish most countries would envy it | 03:18 |
| ryouma | as for usa legal details re what actions require martial law to do and so on, you might know more than i and most citizens do probably even pretty well informed ones | 03:21 |
| ryouma | but especially me as i can only do so much in a given day | 03:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia update: NSW to fine Victorians up to $11,000 if they enter state from lockdown suburbs – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 03:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Australia: +84 cases (now 7920) since 10 hours ago — Texas, US: +3035 cases (now 167269), +20 deaths (now 2496) since 3 hours ago — California, US: +3552 cases (now 230891), +53 deaths (now 6081) since 3 hours ago — Mexico: +5432 cases (now 226089), +648 deaths (now 27769) since 10 hours ago | 03:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu: COVID-19 toll up to three in Udupi district as man dies: A 48-year-old man died of COVID-19 in Udupi district on Tuesday. This is the third death due to COVID-19 in the district. Deputy Commissioner G. Jagad → https://is.gd/kNOrzV | 04:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia update: Victoria reports 73 new Covid-19 cases as NSW announces $11,000 fines – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 04:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Texas reports another record jump in cases; more states impose travel quarantines → https://is.gd/m3hvjW | 04:45 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: How can airborne transmission of COVID-19 indoors be minimised? (85 votes) | https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412020317876 | https://redd.it/hiylqc | 04:49 |
| LjL | well, this study above is probably little more than an opinion pieces with sources in the end, but | 04:53 |
| LjL | "It is scientifically incongruous that the level of evidence required to demonstrate airborne transmission is so much higher than for these other transmission modes" | 04:53 |
| LjL | this rings so true. | 04:53 |
| LjL | "Therefore, in light of this body of evidence for these other respiratory viruses; we believe that SARS-CoV-2 should not be treated any differently – with at least the potential for airborne transmission indoors. Yet despite this, international health organisations, like the WHO (World Health Organization) (WHO, 2020b), continue to place insufficient emphasis on protection from small, virus laden, airborne droplets." | 04:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Global COVID Cases For 01JUL20: Summary As Of: 01JUL20 @ 01:46 GMT Cases: 10,584,016 Deaths: 513,861 Recoveries: 5,794,597 Countries: 216 Country Cases Deaths Recoveries USA 2,727,853 130,122 1,143,334 Brazil 1,408,485 59,656 790,040 Russia 647,849 9,320 412,650 India 585,792 17,410 347,836 UK 312,654 43,730 N/A Spain 296,351 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/izq6Po | 04:55 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Visualizing the effectiveness of face masks in obstructing respiratory jets (84 votes) | https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0016018 | https://redd.it/hiwq1b | 04:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US buys nearly all global remdesivir stocks as Brazil deaths near 60,000: Three asylum seekers at camp near US border test positive for coronavirus ; UN asks for nearly $10bn in aid for Syria; Greece faces ‘huge difficulties’ when flights resume. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 05:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Data needed quicker to target local outbreaks, say doctors → https://is.gd/6Ee7jd | 05:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US buys nearly all global remdesivir stocks as Brazil deaths near 60,000: Three asylum seekers at camp near US border test positive for coronavirus ; UN asks for nearly $10bn in aid for Syria; Greece faces ‘huge difficulties’ when flights resume. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 05:24 |
| pyna | err, the body, but that works too i guess | 05:29 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Masks should be mandatory to avoid becoming like the U.S., Toronto mayor says (10288 votes) | https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-toronto-masks-mandatory-mayor-john-tory-cites-us-20200630-ysfdr6xzujcobbhbnvxsodvwka-story.html#ed=rss_www.nydailynews.com/arcio/rss/category/news/ | https://redd.it/hix0sz | 05:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia update: Victoria reports 73 new Covid-19 cases as NSW announces $11,000 fines – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 05:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu: National: Coronavirus India lockdown Day 98 live updates | India recorded nearly 4 lakh COVID-19 cases in June → https://is.gd/2mMZSu | 06:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US buys nearly all global remdesivir stocks as Brazil deaths near 60,000: Three asylum seekers at camp near US border test positive for coronavirus ; UN asks for nearly $10bn in aid for Syria; Greece faces ‘huge difficulties’ when flights resume. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 06:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia updates: Victoria reports 73 new Covid-19 cases as NSW refuses to accept diverted flights – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 06:31 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: COVID-19 Among Workers in Meat and Poultry Processing Facilities ― 19 States, April 2020 (80 votes) | https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6918e3.htm | https://redd.it/hikv7u | 06:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kyrgyzstan: +439 cases (now 5735), +5 deaths (now 62) since 13 hours ago — Kosovo: +201 cases (now 2878), +2 deaths (now 51) since 20 hours ago — Mayotte, France: +43 cases (now 2603), +3 deaths (now 35) since 20 hours ago — Turks and Caicos Islands, United Kingdom: +1 deaths (now 2) since 20 hours ago | 07:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Parana, Brazil: +1551 cases (now 22877), +36 deaths (now 649) since a day ago — Amur, Russia: +25 cases (now 1707), +2 deaths (now 11) since a day ago — Goias, Brazil: +1374 cases (now 24381), +37 deaths (now 474) since a day ago — Karnataka, India: +947 cases (now 15242), +20 deaths (now 246) since a day ago | 07:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Data needed quicker to target local outbreaks, say doctors → https://is.gd/6Ee7jd | 07:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: IMF forecasts first economic contraction in Asia; South Korea reports uptick in cases → https://is.gd/m3hvjW | 07:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Australia locks down 300,000 as global cases near 10.5m: Fauci says new US coronavirus cases could hit 100,000 a day ; US buys up world stock of key Covid-19 drug remdesivir . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 08:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Covid-19 ward doctor: ‘I am always anxious about my family, but have to do my duty’ → https://is.gd/NLTEdx | 08:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia updates: Victoria reports 73 new Covid-19 cases as NSW refuses to accept diverted flights – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 08:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Data needed quicker to target local outbreaks, say doctors → https://is.gd/6Ee7jd | 09:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia updates: Victoria reports 73 new Covid-19 cases as NSW refuses to accept diverted flights – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 09:16 |
| nate48423 | the american government and denaro are getting my human brain they are able to have me not able to comprehend and change my taste of drinks and food at times. can you please tell your world leaders to help me I am nathan biernatt if you have questions you can message me | 09:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: more 'timely and reliable' information needed for local lockdowns, say doctors → https://is.gd/P5rhLZ | 09:25 |
| tinwhiskers | speaking of not being able to comprehend... | 09:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia updates: Victoria reports 73 new Covid-19 cases as NSW refuses to accept diverted flights – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 09:45 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Almost no one dies from Covid-19. Covid-19 only enables other diseases to kill the patient. Call it an enhanced "natural selection process" (which the modern medicine prevented for so many years). | 09:50 |
| darsie | Haley[mt][m]: Got more concete numbers or sources? | 09:51 |
| Haley[mt][m] | If you check all the news you read left and right about it. Almost no one dies from the virus alone. All the ones dying have other causes of death. | 09:53 |
| Haley[mt][m] | I don't have sources at hand. But read through the many articles you have on the Guardian, Le Monde etc. to check it out. I read papers in 5 languages - so I don't have to trust translations from one language to another etc. | 09:54 |
| darsie | I do'nt read all the news. | 09:54 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Thing is - if they detect the Covid-19 antibodies in your blood post-mortem, they assume that Covid-19 enabled the other "issue" to kill you by keeping your body defense busy or inactive or whatever. | 09:55 |
| darsie | I heard that about HIV. | 09:56 |
| Haley[mt][m] | yes. Very similar indeed. | 09:56 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Only HIV does spread through blood transfer. Whereas Dovid-19 needs a simple cough or touching. | 09:57 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Reason humans don't have as much time as with HIV. | 09:57 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Goldman Sachs says a national mask mandate could slash infections and save economy from a 5% hit (10012 votes) | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/30/goldman-sachs-says-a-national-mask-mandate-could-slash-infections-and-save-economy-from-a-5percent-hit.html | https://redd.it/himgck | 09:57 |
| darsie | You could post one such article. | 09:57 |
| darsie | I don't care if it's from left or right. | 09:58 |
| alexander[m]3 | > I don't care if it's from left or right. | 09:59 |
| alexander[m]3 | yes please! I've heard this (probably wrong) statement quite often but it was never substantiated. | 09:59 |
| the-wes | isn't it funny the way people get real quiet as soon as you ask for anything to substantiate their claim | 10:01 |
| the-wes | even if it were true... what is the point in making such a statement? what do these people suggest? we do nothing and just let people die (whether from the virus alone or from the condition they had before they got the virus)? | 10:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Try these 3 things if you are getting swept away by coronavirus panic → https://is.gd/JEGdR7 | 10:04 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Check this out: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/14/805289669/how-covid-19-kills-the-new-coronavirus-disease-can-take-a-deadly-turn?t=1593590639147 | 10:05 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Took me a while to find one of these articles. | 10:05 |
| Haley[mt][m] | They go on how the Covid-19 kills. But if you look at the second part, they talk about the secondary conditions of those that are killed. | 10:06 |
| Haley[mt][m] | That is an old one. need to find something more recent, where they explicitely talk about these secondary conditions killing most of the Covid-19 infected. | 10:07 |
| Haley[mt][m] | This one is interesting too: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-covid-hospitalize-people-preexisting-conditions.html | 10:11 |
| alexander[m]3 | i dont see how this article describes the cause of death any differently than them just dying of COVID19. | 10:12 |
| alexander[m]3 | Theres a nice graph from Switzerland showing a clear peak in deaths recently / during Covid times. | 10:12 |
| alexander[m]3 | I need to work now but I can look for it later. | 10:12 |
| alexander[m]3 | .. i just read the first articöe | 10:12 |
| Haley[mt][m] | It just require some analysis capability. Count 2 and 2 together and you see the pattern. | 10:12 |
| Haley[mt][m] | https://health.clevelandclinic.org/faqs-what-you-should-know-about-covid-19-and-chronic-medical-conditions/ | 10:13 |
| Haley[mt][m] | Another one. | 10:13 |
| alexander[m]3 | I see pattern where pattern is due. theres no wa to see a pattern without numbers (that you trust). | 10:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Data needed quicker to target local outbreaks, say doctors → https://is.gd/6Ee7jd | 10:14 |
| Haley[mt][m] | https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/16/health/underlying-condition-coronavirus-list-wellness/index.html | 10:15 |
| alexander[m]3 | Please understand: People with comorbidities are much more likely to experience severe cases of COVID19. This has been very well established statistically. Of course most of the people dying do have underlying conditions. The question to ask is, if they would've died without COVID19. Of course this can be discussed. | 10:20 |
| Haley[mt][m] | That is another question that statistic evaluation will tell us one day. | 10:21 |
| alexander[m]3 | The connection between COVID19 and death is mostly clear. I don't see the point of arguing otherwise. Even if you introduce an error (which is likely, but can be accounted for), if everyone use the same criteria, its probably the best way to do this. | 10:22 |
| Haley[mt][m] | On the other hand, the US is a very good playground for metadata capture for that analysis. | 10:22 |
| the-wes | the same logic goes the other way; would they have died without the coexistant condition? | 10:22 |
| Haley[mt][m] | yep. | 10:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for El Salvador: +298 cases (now 6736), +8 deaths (now 182) since 17 hours ago — Palestine: +280 cases (now 2708) since 10 hours ago — Namibia: +52 cases (now 257) since 10 hours ago — Russia: +6556 cases (now 654405), +216 deaths (now 9536) since 17 hours ago | 10:35 |
| alexander[m]3 | no. this are just wild hypotheses. Which is interesting to think about but does not really have a connection to our current issue. Also. If your basing your (let me say very strong!) opinion on articles from cnn or patient information, I am not keen in believing your expert opinion. I shall post real and raw numbers tonight (in about 10h.) Let's discuss numbers. | 10:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia updates: Victoria reports 73 new Covid-19 cases as NSW refuses to accept diverted flights – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 10:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Data needed quicker to target local outbreaks, say doctors → https://is.gd/6Ee7jd | 10:52 |
| Haley[mt][m] | <alexander[m]3 "no. this are just wild hypothese"> Maybe. But usually my analysis has not failed me if I had the right data. there is a first tome for everything ... :) | 10:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: more 'timely and reliable' information needed for local lockdowns, say doctors → https://is.gd/P5rhLZ | 11:02 |
| alexander[m]3 | > Maybe. But usually my analysis has not failed me if I had the right data. there is a first tome for everything ... :) | 11:07 |
| alexander[m]3 | looking forward to your response! Could be late tonight, though | 11:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Australia puts 300,000 back into lockdown; US reports another record increase in cases → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 11:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malawi: +41 cases (now 1265), +2 deaths (now 16) since 17 hours ago — Oman: +1124 cases (now 41194), +9 deaths (now 185) since 17 hours ago — Bangladesh: +3775 cases (now 149258), +41 deaths (now 1888) since 17 hours ago — Philippines: +997 cases (now 38511), +4 deaths (now 1270) since 17 hours ago | 11:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: IMF forecasts first economic contraction in Asia; South Korea reports uptick in cases → https://is.gd/m3hvjW | 11:21 |
| gibson96 | Do we know anything about under-reporting deaths in those areas? Correct me if I'm wrong, but those death/case ratios seem really low | 11:28 |
| gibson96 | (for Malawi and Oman) | 11:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Dr. Anthony Fauci says U.S. coronavirus outbreak is 'going to be very disturbing,' could top 100,000 new cases a day: "We are now having 40 plus thousand new cases a day. I would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day if this does not turn around, and so I am very concerned," Fauci said. → https://is.gd/AvbyAK | 11:31 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 11:38 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 312654 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 43730 deaths (14.0% of cases) as of 18 hours ago. 9.4 million tests were performed (3.3% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 11:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Data needed quicker to target local outbreaks, say doctors → https://is.gd/6Ee7jd | 11:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: more 'timely and reliable' information needed for local lockdowns, say doctors → https://is.gd/P5rhLZ | 11:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Coronavirus Australia updates: Victoria reports 73 new Covid-19 cases as NSW refuses to accept diverted flights – live news → https://is.gd/EMln0s | 12:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: IMF forecasts first economic contraction in Asia; South Korea reports uptick in cases → https://is.gd/m3hvjW | 12:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Data needed quicker to target local outbreaks, say doctors → https://is.gd/6Ee7jd | 12:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: more 'timely and reliable' information needed for local lockdowns, say doctors → https://is.gd/P5rhLZ | 12:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Tracking COVID-19’s spread through an Italian town: About 40 percent of cases were asymptomatic, and viral load didn't seem to matter. → https://is.gd/6LD3n8 | 12:58 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Swedish institute find evidence for T-cell-mediated immunity despite patients testing negative for antibodies. Immunity could be higher than initially thought. (94 votes) | https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-19-is-probably-higher-than-tests-have-shown | https://redd.it/hj6ly3 | 13:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu: Patanjali to sell Coronil as 'immunity booster,' not 'cure for COVID-19': At a press conference in Haridwar, Ramdev claimed the ministry has said that Patanjali did an an appropriate job for COVID-19 management → https://is.gd/11vsJy | 13:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Wednesday: Dow futures were lower Wednesday as the third quarter on Wall Street begins with hopes of a repeat of the past three months despite surging U.S. coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/1F6oS4 | 13:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +137 cases (now 31851) since 19 hours ago — Kuwait: +745 cases (now 46940), +4 deaths (now 358) since 19 hours ago — Iran: +2549 cases (now 230211), +141 deaths (now 10958) since 19 hours ago — Nepal: +482 cases (now 14046), +1 deaths (now 30) since 19 hours ago | 13:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu: Kerala hikes bus fares by 25 per cent: The fares of the Kerala State Road Transport Corporation (KSRTC) and private buses in the State is to go up in within two days.As the “Special Covid F → https://is.gd/D5y0VL | 13:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Data needed quicker to target local outbreaks, say doctors → https://is.gd/6Ee7jd | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson denies Leicester lacked infection data at PMQs: Keir Starmer questions PM over lack of local infection data; government minister warns more local lockdowns to be expected → https://is.gd/P5rhLZ | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Wednesday: Dow futures were lower Wednesday as the third quarter on Wall Street begins with hopes of a repeat of the past three months despite surging U.S. coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/1F6oS4 | 13:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: German economy shows signs of recovery; Ryanair sees 'very strong' bookings → https://is.gd/MobE6l | 14:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Wednesday: Dow futures were lower Wednesday as the third quarter on Wall Street begins with hopes of a repeat of the past three months despite surging U.S. coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/1F6oS4 | 14:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: German economy shows signs of recovery; Ryanair sees 'very strong' bookings → https://is.gd/MobE6l | 14:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Wednesday: Dow futures were lower Wednesday as the third quarter on Wall Street begins with hopes of a repeat of the past three months despite surging U.S. coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/1F6oS4 | 14:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Air pollution: Air pollution likely to make coronavirus worse, say UK experts → https://is.gd/J5mVUs | 15:04 |
| Jigsy | Just make air pollution illegal. | 15:07 |
| Jigsy | Problem = solved. | 15:07 |
| NoImNotN1neVolt | i think your proposed solution would create a number of other resulting problems. | 15:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Wednesday: Dow futures erase their losses and turn higher Wednesday on positive results from a coronavirus vaccine trial. → https://is.gd/1F6oS4 | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Thousands attend a street party in Prague to say goodbye to the coronavirus pandemic → https://is.gd/Vra6VV | 15:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Pfizer stock jumps after it reports positive data in early-stage coronavirus vaccine trial → https://is.gd/b89FOb | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kenya: +307 cases (now 6673), +1 deaths (now 149) since 21 hours ago — Belize: +4 cases (now 28) since 4 days ago — Saudi Arabia: +3402 cases (now 194225), +49 deaths (now 1698) since 22 hours ago — Iraq: +2415 cases (now 51524), +107 deaths (now 2050) since 22 hours ago | 15:36 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Under pressure, Florida will start reporting how many people hospitalized with COVID (10164 votes) | https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243899367.html | https://redd.it/hizcc5 | 15:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Zambia: +38 cases (now 1632), +6 deaths (now 30) since 18 hours ago — Serbia: +272 cases (now 14836), +4 deaths (now 281) since 22 hours ago — Brazil: +1208 cases (now 1.4 million), +89 deaths (now 59745) since 12 hours ago — World: +1520 cases (now 10.7 million), +99 deaths (now 515289) since 17 minutes ago | 15:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Accuracy of coronavirus tests questioned after PGA golfer tests positive, and then negative: Cases of positive and potentially a false positive coronavirus test result at the PGA Tour's Travelers Championship are raising questions about diagnostic testing. → https://is.gd/8GxZuw | 15:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: German economy shows signs of recovery; Ryanair sees 'very strong' bookings → https://is.gd/MobE6l | 16:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Pfizer stock jumps after it reports positive data in early-stage coronavirus vaccine trial → https://is.gd/b89FOb | 16:12 |
| LjL | Why does it take high profile testing to suddenly realize that wait maybe the tests aren't reliable (or to report it anyway)? | 16:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump claims 'Russian bounty' story is hoax as pressure for answers grows – live updates: Trump faces demand for answers over his relationship with Putin Covid-19 outbreaks at meat-processing plants in US being kept quiet Los Angeles sheriff’s department faces reckoning after police shooting Virginia joins states banning hair [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/eXxKjz | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: global tourism stands to lose up to $3.3tn, says UN: US stands to lose the most from drop in tourists, UN says; Ryanair pilots take pay cut to avoid job losses; tourist flights to Greece resume; global cases pass 10.5m → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 17:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Pfizer stock jumps after it reports positive data in early stage coronavirus vaccine trial → https://is.gd/b89FOb | 17:19 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Inactivated trivalent influenza vaccine is associated with lower mortality among Covid-19 patients in Brazil (83 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.29.20142505v1 | https://redd.it/hj9h1t | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Pfizer's early-stage vaccine sees positive results; thousands attend Prague street party → https://is.gd/MobE6l | 17:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Arizona, US: +4877 cases (now 84092), +88 deaths (now 1720) since a day ago — Qatar: +915 cases (now 97003), +2 deaths (now 115) since a day ago — Chile: +2650 cases (now 282043), +65 deaths (now 5753) since 23 hours ago — Alabama, US: +917 cases (now 38962), +22 deaths (now 972) since a day ago | 17:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: global tourism stands to lose up to $3.3tn, says UN: US stands to lose the most from drop in tourists, UN says; Ryanair pilots take pay cut to avoid job losses; tourist flights to Greece resume; global cases pass 10.5m → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 17:39 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: ‘No thank you, Dr. Fauci.’ Texas Lt. Gov. Patrick says he won’t listen to nation’s top COVID-19 expert (11024 votes) | https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/no-thank-you-dr-fauci-lt-gov-patrick-says-he-wont-listen-to-nations-top-covid-19-expert/ | https://redd.it/hj9h34 | 17:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Pfizer's early-stage vaccine sees positive results; thousands attend Prague street party → https://is.gd/MobE6l | 17:48 |
| nixonix | 10.5M now? it just passed 10M couple of days ago | 17:51 |
| nixonix | identified cases | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Luxembourg: +46 cases (now 4345) since a day ago — Djibouti: +22 cases (now 4704), +1 deaths (now 55) since a day ago — Liberia: +24 cases (now 804), +1 deaths (now 37) since a day ago — Canada: +67 cases (now 104271), +24 deaths (now 8615) since 14 hours ago | 17:53 |
| nixonix | so its in pace of doubling in a month or so | 17:53 |
| nixonix | around 80d and it would be 100M | 17:55 |
| nixonix | a bit over 5 months, and 1B | 17:55 |
| nixonix | i think it was rarther around 3d than 2d, from 10M->10.5M - so all the above doubling times would be times 1.5 (1B would take around 8 months) | 17:57 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Strong Correlation Between Prevalence of Severe Vitamin D Deficiency and Population Mortality Rate from COVID-19 in Europe (82 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.24.20138644v1 | https://redd.it/hjampw | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Algeria: +365 cases (now 14272), +8 deaths (now 920) since 23 hours ago — French Guiana: +264 cases (now 4268), +1 deaths (now 16) since a day ago — Florida, US: +6563 cases (now 158997), +45 deaths (now 3550) since a day ago — US: +6961 cases (now 2.7 million), +61 deaths (now 130345) since 36 minutes ago | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Pfizer stock jumps after it reports positive data in early stage coronavirus vaccine trial → https://is.gd/b89FOb | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: US buys nearly all of Gilead's Covid-19 drug remdesivir → https://is.gd/wGEtXD | 18:46 |
| alexander[m]3 | <Haley[mt][m] "Maybe. But usually my analysis h"> Ok. So this is a very simple excel chart with the raw death numbers of elderly people (65+) in Switzerland. I compared the 2020 weekly deaths to the mean of the years 2010-2019. | 18:47 |
| alexander[m]3 | For me, this is very clear. Let me know what you think of it. And of course, scrutinize my data as hard as you can. | 18:48 |
| LjL | alexander[m]3, so about 60% more than normal? i think it roughly matches other similar counts in affected countries, going by memory | 18:48 |
| LjL | (that is at peak, not the integral) | 18:49 |
| Haley[mt][m] | It is not because someone is old that he has a secondary condition. But the chances are higher here ;) | 18:49 |
| LjL | alexander[m]3, you should perhaps also graph the year 2018 individually, because there was a bad flu during it even though most of us didn't even know | 18:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus: Keir Starmer warns of 'months and months' of local lockdowns without better testing and tracing - as it happened → https://is.gd/P5rhLZ | 18:56 |
| alexander[m]3 | <LjL "alexander, so about 60% more tha"> If the numbers say this, then yes. BFS (Bundesamt für Statistik, ministry of statistics; yes this is a thing in Switzerland :) ) says there's a significantly higher death number for these certain weeks. | 19:01 |
| LjL | alexander[m]3, the first few links at https://covid19.specops.network/#epidemiology have similar graphs to the one you made (but for other countries), and https://www.istat.it/it/archivio/241428 lets you graph them for individual Italian municipalities, a bit clunky to use but you can look at places like iirc Alzano Lombardo (Bergamo province, Lombardy region) for situations where the excess mortality was high | 19:01 |
| LjL | alexander[m]3, i just eyeballed your graph | 19:02 |
| alexander[m]3 | <Haley[mt][m] "It is not because someone is old"> Well I think it's very well established that older people are sicker than younger. But that's not the topic here. | 19:02 |
| LjL | on the Italian site you can also filter by age | 19:03 |
| LjL | (age groups, not arbitrary ages) | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Pfizer's early stage vaccine sees positive results as new U.S. cases continue to climb → https://is.gd/MobE6l | 19:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Louisiana, US: +2041 cases (now 60178), +9 deaths (now 3238) since 20 hours ago — Brazil: +17220 cases (now 1.4 million), +449 deaths (now 60194) since 3 hours ago — Nevada, US: +645 cases (now 19101), +4 deaths (now 511) since a day ago — Mississippi, US: +653 cases (now 27900), +9 deaths (now 1082) since a day ago | 19:08 |
| alexander[m]3 | <LjL "(that is at peak, not the integr"> done | 19:22 |
| alexander[m]3 | <LjL "alexander, the first few links a"> Interesting, thank you! | 19:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Arizona reports record spike in new coronavirus cases and deaths ahead of Pence's visit: The Arizona Department of Health reported nearly 4,900 new coronavirus cases and 88 new deaths on Wednesday, a record single-day jump in both grim markers. → https://is.gd/0ecwNK | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Study finds U.S. death toll is undercounted by up to 28% as new daily cases continue to climb → https://is.gd/MobE6l | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: WHO says over 160,000 new cases a day globally; West Bank goes into lockdown: Global tourism stands to lose up to $3.3tn , says UN; Ryanair pilots take pay cut to avoid job losses; tourist flights to Greece resume; global cases pass 10.5m → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 19:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu: National: Coronavirus lockdown | Migrant foodgrain scheme reached less than 15% of 8 crore target → https://is.gd/ZiwbAD | 19:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Study finds U.S. death toll is undercounted by up to 28% as new daily cases continue to climb → https://is.gd/MobE6l | 20:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Namibia: +28 cases (now 285) since 9 hours ago — Oklahoma, US: +355 cases (now 14112), +2 deaths (now 389) since a day ago — Turkey: +1192 cases (now 201098), +19 deaths (now 5150) since a day ago — Spain: +388 cases (now 296739), +8 deaths (now 28363) since a day ago | 20:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu: RPF woman constable recruits regather at training centre in Tiruchi: Three months after their training was suspended in the wake of the pandemic, woman constable recruits from various parts of the country have begun reg → https://is.gd/j6u4Bf | 20:32 |
| LjL | alexander[m]3, hmm, a visible peak in 2018, but not even close to now. in other places (don't remember which honestly) what i had noticed is that the 2018 peak was less tall, but wider, so in the end the integral (number of excess death) was similar | 20:37 |
| LjL | which could be seen in more than one way, but i tend to see it "see how bad it was peaking? without a lockdown it'd likely have continued, with a lockdown instead for now we've limited it to 2018 levels" | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump claims 'Russian bounty' story is hoax as pressure for answers grows – live updates: Trump faces demand for answers over his relationship with Putin Cuomo urges Trump to ‘admit you were wrong’ US reports record one-day increase in cases as Trump stays silent LA sheriff’s department faces reckoning after police [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/eXxKjz | 20:52 |
| LjL-Matrix | excuse testing | 20:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Paraguay: +39 cases (now 2260), +2 deaths (now 19) since a day ago — United Arab Emirates: +402 cases (now 49069), +1 deaths (now 316) since a day ago — Michigan, US: +361 cases (now 71089), +5 deaths (now 6198) since a day ago — US: +361 cases (now 2.8 million), +5 deaths (now 130395) since 49 minutes ago | 20:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Study finds U.S. death toll is undercounted by up to 28% as new daily cases continue to climb → https://is.gd/MobE6l | 21:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for South Africa: +8124 cases (now 159333), +92 deaths (now 2749) since 23 hours ago — Georgia (US), US: +2946 cases (now 84237), +22 deaths (now 2827) since 23 hours ago — Costa Rica: +294 cases (now 3753) since 23 hours ago — Lesotho: +8 cases (now 35) since 3 days ago | 21:24 |
| alexander[m]3 | <LjL "which could be seen in more than"> mm honestly.. from the numbers that I've seen the last few days.. I am not too positive this peak is the only one we're going to see 😳 :sad: | 21:40 |
| alexander[m]3 | > <@freenode_LjL:matrix.org> which could be seen in more than one way, but i tend to see it "see how bad it was peaking? without a lockdown it'd likely have continued, with a lockdown instead for now we've limited it to 2018 levels" | 21:40 |
| alexander[m]3 | * mm honestly.. from the numbers that I've seen the last few days.. I am not too positive this peak is the only one we're going to see 😳 ☹︎ | 21:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: US reports second-highest day of new coronavirus cases as Arizona, California set new records: The U.S. reported more than 44,700 coronavirus cases on Tuesday, the second-highest daily increase, according to Johns Hopkins University data. → https://is.gd/UYeCVX | 21:40 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Massachusetts, USA, reports zero new coronavirus deaths for the first time in months. (10002 votes) | https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/30/nation/mass-reports-zero-new-coronavirus-deaths-first-time-months/ | https://redd.it/hiy063 | 21:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Study finds U.S. death toll is undercounted by up to 28% as new daily cases continue to climb → https://is.gd/MobE6l | 21:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Pfizer stock jumps after it reports positive data in early stage coronavirus vaccine trial → https://is.gd/b89FOb | 21:59 |
| ubLIX | iamsamwood[m]: | 22:08 |
| ubLIX | ^ sry, didn't mean to highlight | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Brazil death toll exceeds 60,000; West Bank goes into lockdown: Global tourism stands to lose up to $3.3tn , says UN; Ryanair pilots take pay cut to avoid job losses; tourist flights to Greece resume; global cases pass 10.5m → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 22:09 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Prior infection by seasonal coronaviruses does not prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection and associated Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in children (81 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.29.20142596v1 | https://redd.it/hjacqq | 22:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Alaska, US: +38 cases (now 978) since a day ago — Peru: +3264 cases (now 288477), +183 deaths (now 9860) since 22 hours ago — Sweden: +1241 cases (now 69692), +37 deaths (now 5370) since 22 hours ago — Utah, US: +499 cases (now 22716), +1 deaths (now 173) since a day ago | 22:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Georgia breaks record, adds nearly 3,000 new COVID cases in one day → https://is.gd/yyhLzP | 22:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Rwanda: +17 cases (now 1042), +1 deaths (now 3) since 22 hours ago — Angola: +7 cases (now 291), +2 deaths (now 15) since a day ago — Arkansas, US: +420 cases (now 21197), +7 deaths (now 277) since a day ago — Texas, US: +670 cases (now 167939), +3 deaths (now 2499) since 18 hours ago | 22:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Hindu: Tamil Nadu: Coronavirus | Tamil Nadu government sanctions funds for providing food to patients, health workers → https://is.gd/3ofGbN | 22:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Brazil death toll exceeds 60,000; West Bank goes into lockdown: Global tourism stands to lose up to $3.3tn , says UN; Ryanair pilots take pay cut to avoid job losses; tourist flights to Greece resume; global cases pass 10.5m → https://is.gd/EdeWGQ | 23:07 |
| ryouma | is there a clear definition of "drug giant" vs. "biotech"? | 23:16 |
| ryouma | is biotech just embryonic potential drug giant | 23:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Arizona reports record spike in new coronavirus cases and deaths ahead of Pence's visit: The Arizona Department of Health Services reported nearly 4,900 new coronavirus cases and 88 new deaths, a record single-day jump in both grim markers ahead of Vice President Mike Pence's visit to the state later in the day. → https://is.gd/0ecwNK | 23:16 |
| ryouma | legacy shows a drop in testing | 23:17 |
| genera | who | 23:29 |
| tinwhiskers | I've just made a minor change to offloop.net to add a link to the legacy data so you don't need to do that manually - just under the top graph. | 23:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Coronavirus Australia live: 300,000 Victorians enter lockdown in 36 Melbourne hotspot suburbs – latest updates → https://is.gd/tVmDJ0 | 23:36 |
| nixonix | nice addition. can it be made to work with "by population"? (not really important, ive used legacy only for spain) | 23:41 |
| kreyren[m] | Can you get a covid from a mosguito ? | 23:43 |
| kreyren[m] | I would think that assuming them feeding on blood and going from one human to another -> yes? | 23:43 |
| LjL | there's no evidence of that, and i think it was claimed to be unlikely because they don't carry other coronaviruses, but don't quote me | 23:43 |
| kreyren[m] | LjL thanks for info | 23:44 |
| nixonix | WHO: "To date there has been no information nor evidence to suggest that the new coronavirus could be transmitted by mosquitoes | 23:45 |
| nixonix | in theory, not impossible. but very unlikely | 23:46 |
| kreyren[m] | Is there any known amount of SARS-CoV-2 particles in blood that have a chance of overwhelming the immune system causing the covid-19? | 23:46 |
| kreyren[m] | nixonix I have zero trust in WHO for obvious reasons | 23:46 |
| nixonix | yeah but thats the same than common expert view | 23:46 |
| kreyren[m] | Yep seems to be.. but then common experts usually quote WHO | 23:47 |
| LjL | the WHO is the authority to quote when you want to say we have no evidence of something | 23:47 |
| LjL | because it's pretty much the only thing they are able to state accurately | 23:47 |
| kreyren[m] | And mosguitos could trasnfer viruses like zika so I would think that being possible? | 23:48 |
| JennyRN | LjL: aware of any data, of how many temperature checks catch active cases? fals positives/negatives? | 23:48 |
| JennyRN | I am seeing different information on percentages of covid+ with no symptoms, some saying its low, then recently that it's quite high | 23:49 |
| tinwhiskers | nixonix: it should already work with "by population". If not can you explain? | 23:49 |
| kreyren[m] | JennyRN, I was told that it could be anything from 15% to 80% depending on where do you perform those checks, but assuming covid having symtoms like fever mostly after 3 days I consider them very inaccurate. | 23:49 |
| LjL | JennyRN, i don't remember but there's certainly a... ballpark, 20%? of people with symptoms that don't include fever. plus, there's people who have no symptoms at all but may still be infectious | 23:49 |
| LjL | JennyRN, as to false positive, sure, you just have to have any other thing that gives you fever, and there's a lot of those | 23:50 |
| Johannes_swe | there where some specific reasons to why one can not get aids/hiv from a mosquito, they might apply to covid. damn would suck if we could randomly get aids from a mosquito haha | 23:50 |
| kreyren[m] | Dont quote me on that percentage though..i was told that by a worker who wasnt very sure about it either excluding the conclusion | 23:50 |
| tinwhiskers | nixonix: it should take whatever settings you currently have selected but for the legacy dataset | 23:50 |
| nixonix | in may infectious dose (virions usually in nose or throat), was not known, but suspected to be very low | 23:50 |
| LjL | kreyren[m], hey it's not really my business but since i'm struggling with the Matrix bridge being seemingly buggy during a spam wave here... why on earth do you have a [m] suffix even though you're not using Matrix? | 23:51 |
| tinwhiskers | nixonix: Oh. I see what you mean. I'll check that out. | 23:51 |
| kreyren[m] | LjL, using IRC on a phone -> [mobile] | 23:52 |
| LjL | oho | 23:52 |
| Johannes_swe | kreyren[m], any good irc clients these days? if you are on android that is? | 23:53 |
| LjL | i use Revolution IRC, certainly like it better than i'm liking Riot right now | 23:53 |
| JennyRN | so, if they stop everyone with a low grade fever, 15-80% of those have been covid+? | 23:54 |
| kreyren[m] | Johannes revolution IRC seems as the only usable on android but it doesn't have a nice way to support tor | 23:54 |
| kreyren[m] | Let me know if you find some alternative | 23:55 |
| LjL | JennyRN, no | 23:55 |
| Johannes_swe | i have no tor need, but will look at that one, thanks | 23:55 |
| LjL | JennyRN, you have that backwards i'd say. if you have covid, you have something like 15-80% chance of having a fever (i've usually read closer to the 80% side, or at least 60%, but i guess 15% includes asymptomatics), but that tells you nothing about the opposite scenario, i.e. if you have a fever, then what do you have | 23:56 |
| LjL | in most places, having a fever is probably much more likely to be a sign of any other flu-like illness (or even non-flu-like) than a sign you have covid | 23:56 |
| tinwhiskers | nixonix: ok, that's fixed now. Thanks for pointing it out. | 23:57 |
| nixonix | np. i was used to the feature :) | 23:57 |
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