| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australian politics: Coronavirus Australia live update: national cabinet to discuss hotel quarantine and Victoria lockdown → https://is.gd/WVzI13 | 00:03 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +5335 cases (now 133973), +108 deaths (now 4714) since 17 hours ago — World: +10063 cases (now 12.4 million), +314 deaths (now 556715) since 20 minutes ago — Peru: +3537 cases (now 316448), +181 deaths (now 11314) since a day ago — US: +1191 cases (now 3.2 million), +25 deaths (now 135671) since 20 minutes ago | 00:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Airborne transmission of coronavirus in restaurants, gyms and other closed spaces can't be ruled out, WHO says → https://is.gd/g01hbG | 00:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Dementia patients 'deteriorating' without family visits → https://is.gd/L7LcNC | 00:22 |
| nixonix | %title https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01989-z | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.nature.com: Six months of coronavirus: the mysteries scientists are still racing to solve | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guatemala: +1247 cases (now 26658), +39 deaths (now 1092) since 22 hours ago — World: +2859 cases (now 12.4 million), +48 deaths (now 556763) since 20 minutes ago — US: +861 cases (now 3.2 million), +9 deaths (now 135680) since 20 minutes ago — Ghana: +641 cases (now 23463) since 23 hours ago | 00:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: fears as first case reported in rebel-held Syrian camps: WHO says pandemic is still accelerating; Hundreds of Romanians check themselves out of hospital; Serbia considers new lockdown → https://is.gd/ykqcgC | 00:32 |
| LjL | Monkeys that received a vaccine developed by the University of Oxford, UK, and were then exposed to the virus had levels of viral genetic material in their noses comparable to levels in unvaccinated animals7. Results such as this raise the possibility of a COVID-19 vaccine that prevents severe disease — but not spread of the virus. | 00:39 |
| LjL | i think i had missed this about the Oxford vaccine | 00:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guinea: +184 cases (now 5881), +2 deaths (now 36) since a day ago — World: +814 cases (now 12.4 million), +7 deaths (now 556770) since 20 minutes ago — US: +500 cases (now 3.2 million) since 20 minutes ago — Texas, US: +288 cases (now 237424) since 20 minutes ago | 00:39 |
| nixonix | well i guess its better than nothing | 00:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australian politics: Coronavirus Australia live update: national cabinet to discuss hotel quarantine and Victoria lockdown → https://is.gd/WVzI13 | 00:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +3663 cases (now 90693), +13 deaths (now 1720) since 9 hours ago — World: +4319 cases (now 12.4 million), +18 deaths (now 556788) since 20 minutes ago — Nigeria: +499 cases (now 30748), +5 deaths (now 689) since 23 hours ago — US: +97 cases (now 3.2 million) since 20 minutes ago | 00:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: fears as first case reported in rebel-held Syrian camps: WHO says pandemic is still accelerating; Hundreds of Romanians check themselves out of hospital; Serbia considers new lockdown → https://is.gd/ykqcgC | 01:01 |
| CoronaBot_ | 04/r/covid19: Melatonin as adjuvant treatment for coronavirus disease 2019 pneumonia patients requiring hospitalization (MAC-19 PRO): a case series (80 votes) | http://www.melatonin-research.net/index.php/MR/article/view/88 | https://redd.it/ho5p8n | 01:06 |
| LjL | melatonin? | 01:06 |
| LjL | it's not fair of me to be skeptical before reading the study i guess | 01:06 |
| LjL | but still, melatonin? | 01:07 |
| ryouma | it has been suggested before | 01:10 |
| ryouma | that is really high dose | 01:13 |
| LjL | yeah | 01:14 |
| ryouma | i'm looking for a <1mg dose as it screws up my esophagus and i suspect i don't need more. the standard dose for a while was 3mg. this uses 36-72mg. 70 or so was used in an old study to test its safety or soemthing. i think it had reproductive side effects but otherwise did not have issues. | 01:14 |
| LjL | the study is not very meaningful | 01:14 |
| LjL | ryouma, i've taken 1mg and that messed up my sleep | 01:14 |
| LjL | nightmares, night sweats, and lots of anxiety the day after | 01:15 |
| LjL | dropped it pretty quickly | 01:15 |
| ryouma | can depend on when you take it and whether you were exposed to light. but could also be too high in principle. | 01:15 |
| LjL | yeah i bought drops much later to be able to try a smaller dose... don't remember how that went, maybe i never took it because of something that happened | 01:16 |
| LjL | and yeah i've been told the timing may need empirical adjustment but if my aim is to sleep better and decrease daytime anxiety, and it does the exact opposite, that's not something i'm willing to spend many days on tweaking | 01:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australian politics: Coronavirus Australia live update: national cabinet to discuss hotel quarantine and Victoria lockdown → https://is.gd/WVzI13 | 01:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2124 cases (now 12.4 million), +12 deaths (now 556800) since 39 minutes ago — US: +2105 cases (now 3.2 million), +11 deaths (now 135691) since 39 minutes ago — Texas, US: +1023 cases (now 238447), +4 deaths (now 3014) since 50 minutes ago — Idaho, US: +459 cases (now 9428), +2 deaths (now 100) since a day ago | 01:24 |
| LjL | i smell utter bullshit (and i did even before knowing what the "source" was) https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/hod437/covid19_is_1000_times_more_efficient_at_infecting/ | 01:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5723 cases (now 12.4 million), +100 deaths (now 556900) since 20 minutes ago — Brazil: +3324 cases (now 1.8 million), +70 deaths (now 69254) since an hour ago — US: +2367 cases (now 3.2 million), +29 deaths (now 135720) since 20 minutes ago — Texas, US: +2228 cases (now 240675), +29 deaths (now 3043) since 20 minutes ago | 01:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: fears as first case reported in rebel-held Syrian camps: WHO says pandemic is still accelerating; Hundreds of Romanians check themselves out of hospital; Serbia considers new lockdown → https://is.gd/ykqcgC | 01:48 |
| nixonix | melatonin, i tried it many times, from 2.5 to 5 mg, i didnt notice any effect | 01:52 |
| LjL | nixonix, insomniac? | 01:53 |
| nixonix | but vitamin d, when i have been couple weeks off and waiting for package, had caffeine like effect first. 5000 iu | 01:53 |
| LjL | i take 4000 IU, noticed no such thing | 01:54 |
| nixonix | not sure if i just tried to see if it works when needed. years ago | 01:54 |
| nixonix | vitamin d it was only when i had a break, like couple of weeks | 01:54 |
| LjL | %title https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3092563/chinese-embassy-warns-deadly-unknown-pneumonia-kazakhstan | 02:00 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.scmp.com: ‘Unknown pneumonia’ deadlier than coronavirus sweeping Kazakhstan, Chinese embassy warns | South China Morning Post | 02:00 |
| LjL | though first comment on Reddit: "For those who don't know Kazakhstan's Government is terrible and corrupt. They relaxed restrictions far too early, now they're seeing a spike in cases and instead of saying it's COVID because of their fuck up they're claiming it's just Pneumonia. It's not a new virus or a mutated one, it's COVID but the Government are too corrupt to admit it's COVID" | 02:00 |
| LjL | "The RFE mentions that other countries in the region have reported spikes in pneumonia cases that have tested negative for corona, but question the quality/capacity of their testing and also the transparency of the governments." | 02:04 |
| LjL | ( https://www.rferl.org/a/surge-in-covid-19-cases-forces-central-asian-countries-to-reverse-reopenings/30702065.html ) | 02:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Bolivia president tests positive amid record rise in South Africa cases: Covid-19 outbreak accelerates across Africa; Venezuelan Socialist Party boss also tests positive; Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro ‘in good health’. Follow the latest updates: → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 02:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1123 cases (now 12.4 million), +86 deaths (now 556986) since 38 minutes ago — US: +1077 cases (now 3.2 million), +85 deaths (now 135805) since 38 minutes ago — California, US: +558 cases (now 303323), +8 deaths (now 6848) since 38 minutes ago — Lesotho: +43 cases (now 134), +1 deaths (now 1) since 3 days ago | 02:10 |
| LjL | people just don't get probabilities do they https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ho4t54/china_warns_of_unknown_pneumonia_more_deadly_than/fxg9k9o/ | 02:10 |
| LjL | "[Kazakhstan's president] added the country was “in fact facing the second coronavirus wave coupled with a huge uptick in pneumonia cases”, according to the Russian news agency Tass." | 02:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Central African Rep.: +91 cases (now 4200) since a day ago | 02:20 |
| fisc | LjL: don't think human mind understands logarithmic growth | 02:20 |
| LjL | err, where does that come from? | 02:21 |
| fisc | people just don't get probabilities do they | 02:32 |
| LjL | fisc, i don't understand what that has to do with logarithmic growth | 02:33 |
| fisc | folks not getting math nvm | 02:33 |
| fisc | what is the ljl ies bit | 02:33 |
| fisc | theres that famous book, innumeracy | 02:35 |
| LjL | i am not really surprised at people not getting logarithmic growth... honestly i'm not all that surprised at them not getting probabilities either, except when they make claims about probabilities in public; in that case i think they should shut up if they don't know about it | 02:35 |
| fisc | LjL: glad you have the energy for it, i'm about tapped | 02:36 |
| fisc | can put me in hibernation for 2 years or so | 02:37 |
| LjL | if that were possible i wouldn't think twice | 02:40 |
| ubLIX[m] | ha | 02:40 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], make it 1000, that way i'm 1) more certain the dark ages have either ended, or the world is over 2) fry | 02:41 |
| fisc | Cockroach Overlords ! | 02:43 |
| LjL | okay i don't want to unthaw only to be eaten alive by cockroaches either -.- | 02:44 |
| LjL | just tell me you're freezing me until things are better and kill me instead, i won't know | 02:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australian politics: Coronavirus Australia live update: national cabinet to discuss hotel quarantine and Victoria lockdown → https://is.gd/WVzI13 | 02:46 |
| fisc | LjL: what decade/century, backwards would you prefer? | 02:47 |
| LjL | oh yeah just stick me into a loop in the 90s | 02:48 |
| ryouma | i think you guys mean exponential not logarithmic | 02:50 |
| LjL | i actually just meant probabilities -.- | 02:51 |
| ryouma | i mean they are related but still | 02:51 |
| tinwhiskers | don't go into a loop. go offloop :-) | 02:51 |
| fisc | LjL: location might be important | 02:52 |
| ryouma | my biggest grudge is taht countries did not lock down earlier, and as a result at best got the worst of all worlds. so for me it is those "oh it's onluy a few cases" snap judgements that i would want to not exist. thus understanding exponentials is the big one. but what probabilty error are we talkinga bout? | 02:53 |
| ryouma | take measures* | 02:53 |
| LjL | ryouma, someone on reddit said "The statistical chance of two deadly novel viruses causing pneumonia in one-and-the-same year is VERY low." in response to the news that there's allegedly a deadlier virus circulating in Kazakhstan | 02:55 |
| ryouma | ah | 02:55 |
| ryouma | prior probability vs. posterior being the biggest error in that one? | 02:56 |
| LjL | yeah | 02:56 |
| ryouma | why is gambler's fallacy coming to mind also? there might be a fallacy related to this. | 02:56 |
| LjL | yeah it might have helped if i knew the fallacy's name and could just point to wp article | 02:57 |
| LjL | but i never know names of things | 02:57 |
| tinwhiskers | well, it might be a fallacy to claim any truth based on that, but statistically it is unlikely. | 02:57 |
| fisc | one might think it to be higher, all things considered | 02:57 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, he was rather obviously implying that it is therefore very unlikely that we'd now get another virus (i.e. more unlikely than baseline) | 02:58 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah. | 02:58 |
| fisc | or even overlap | 02:58 |
| LjL | maybe it's good that i didn't link to the fallacy | 03:01 |
| LjL | because someone would have inevitably linked me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy#Non-independent_events to rebut | 03:01 |
| fisc | folks make up their minds, and stop listening | 03:01 |
| LjL | which is obviously relevant (and in fact i've stated in passing that it's probably *more* likely to get a second deadly virus now) | 03:01 |
| LjL | but while relevant it doesn't somehow invalidate pointing out that the fallacy is what that individual was falling into | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | why would it be more likely? | 03:02 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, first thing that crosses my mind is, if this Kazakhstan thing isn't just confusion over more COVID-19 cases, there may be a deadlier mutation | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm confused. | 03:03 |
| LjL | not sure if that counts as a "new virus", in practice it would, if *much* deadlier | 03:03 |
| tinwhiskers | I don't see a fallacy in pointing out something is statistically unlikely. | 03:03 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, you agree with me that he was *implying* something else | 03:03 |
| LjL | you don't see a problem when someone is clearly implying something, even if they aren't directly stating it? | 03:03 |
| tinwhiskers | what was he implying? | 03:03 |
| LjL | 20<LjL>30 tinwhiskers, he was rather obviously implying that it is therefore very unlikely that we'd now get another virus (i.e. more unlikely than baseline) | 03:04 |
| LjL | 18<26tinwhiskers18> yeah. | 03:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +7280 cases (now 282283), +730 deaths (now 33526) since a day ago — World: +8594 cases (now 12.4 million), +772 deaths (now 557758) since an hour ago — Panama: +965 cases (now 42216), +20 deaths (now 839) since a day ago — US: +219 cases (now 3.2 million), +17 deaths (now 135822) since an hour ago | 03:05 |
| ryouma | tinwhiskers: unlikely as a prior probability only | 03:05 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. ok... if they said "This isn't a new virus because the statistical chance of that is extremely low" then I'd agree there is a fallacy. | 03:05 |
| tinwhiskers | but if the "implication" is that the chance is low because the chance is low, then... well it's just restating, not implying. | 03:06 |
| tinwhiskers | "it's statistically unlikely there is a new virus is Kazakhstan" isn't a fallacy. | 03:07 |
| LjL | "it's statistically unlikely *because* we already had one" is a fallacy, and i believe that's what he's clearly implying here | 03:08 |
| LjL | but whatever | 03:08 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. ok. fair. | 03:08 |
| ryouma | correct, it isn't. it is in fact a good point if there is lack of clarity on whether there is a new virus in kazakhstan. it could be used as an indicator that evidence is mistaken or somethign like that. extraordinary claims and all that. however, from LjL's quote, it seemed like argumentum ad ignoring conditional probabilitiesum. | 03:09 |
| LjL | anyway, i find the explanation that Kazakhstan is just not reporting COVID cases as a bit lacking | 03:09 |
| LjL | they are reporting tons of them | 03:09 |
| LjL | and i want to highlight again "[Kazakhstan's president] added the country was “in fact facing the second coronavirus wave coupled with a huge uptick in pneumonia cases”, according to the Russian news agency Tass." | 03:10 |
| LjL | why would they do that, if they didn't think they're actually having a surge in non-COVID pneumonias | 03:10 |
| LjL | one suggestion in the comments is "people didn't stay home last lockdown, so they're making it scarier this time" | 03:10 |
| LjL | plausible but a little tenuous i think | 03:11 |
| ryouma | um why did i say that. actuyally if there is reasonable independence never mind. | 03:11 |
| ryouma | i.e. ignore the chance of both events. just looka t the cahnce of the second one by itself. | 03:12 |
| LjL | ryouma, well there isn't independence in reality, but i kind of ignored that because i think he was also kind of ignoring that | 03:12 |
| LjL | i didn't ignore it entirely | 03:12 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, they should be independent so, right; fallacy. | 03:12 |
| ryouma | right | 03:12 |
| fisc | 1918 they spent all their energy trying confirm the infectious agent was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfeiffer%27s_bacillus | 03:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Screw The Politeness: Canadians Respond To U.S. Calls To Reopen Border- No. Just no. And we’re not sorry. → https://is.gd/yCy2tk | 03:14 |
| LjL | r/worldnews: who the hell cares | 03:15 |
| fisc | only the ones who died fast had no secondary bacillus | 03:15 |
| ryouma | fisc: can you elaborate on the history of trying to confirm there? | 03:16 |
| LjL | fisc, not entirely unreasonable if it's an opportunistic little rascal that they could often find in flu patients... | 03:18 |
| fisc | ryouma: some chapters in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Influenza ; as recall, only very skilled scientists could do all the precise steps to detect it, so when it wasn't found, they would sometimes blame it on the scientist | 03:20 |
| ryouma | is this anchoring bias? | 03:20 |
| ryouma | or some kind of mindset thing? | 03:20 |
| ryouma | or perhaps fiefdoms? | 03:21 |
| fisc | I suppose just mention it as an aside, that that pneumonia (from auto-immune) reaction can have various etiologies | 03:22 |
| ryouma | if we do not have the technology or science then it must not exist | 03:22 |
| Jigsy | Ah, the Great Influenza, aka. The Influenza to end all Influenza. | 03:22 |
| fisc | just make sure you don't send LjL back to Oct, 1918 Philadelphia | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australian politics: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria announces $534m business support package amid Melbourne lockdown → https://is.gd/WVzI13 | 03:25 |
| ryouma | was there political polarization in the us at that time that was related? | 03:25 |
| ryouma | the one thing i did not predict but should have was the degree of politics | 03:26 |
| LjL | there was a war. i think that influenced the degree of (allowed) political polarization more than the influenza could | 03:27 |
| LjL | also it was nicknamed the spanish flu for the simple fact that spain was the only country reporting on it, the US wasn't, because of morale | 03:27 |
| LjL | but later there were pro-mask and anti-mask factions | 03:28 |
| LjL | so there is that | 03:28 |
| fisc | ryouma: Philly had a big War Bonds parade, then the Virus exploded | 03:28 |
| ryouma | were the factions just organically grown movements? | 03:29 |
| LjL | nah i think mostly GMO | 03:29 |
| ryouma | the us is insane | 03:29 |
| fisc | ryouma: didn't used to be fox news, used to be a law media had to be US owned | 03:30 |
| fisc | probably got 'deregulated' in Reagan-time | 03:30 |
| ryouma | who owns fox? a brit or smoething" | 03:30 |
| ryouma | ? | 03:30 |
| fisc | ryouma: rubert murdoch clan -aussies | 03:31 |
| fisc | s/clan/clique | 03:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Benin: +86 cases (now 1285), +2 deaths (now 23) since 7 days ago — World: +134 cases (now 12.4 million), +3 deaths (now 557761) since 40 minutes ago — New Zealand: +2 cases (now 1542) since a day ago — Bahamas: +1 cases (now 107) since a day ago | 03:35 |
| ryouma | clique? not portfolio or somehing? there is some kind of set of titans? | 03:36 |
| fisc | ryouma: polite company calls it 'media consolidation' | 03:38 |
| ryouma | so he comes up witha formula to use news as entertainment or something and then seeds teh world with it? or is there... idk, russian connections and such? | 03:39 |
| LjL | they own Comcast. they own Sky in Britain and Italy. it's not about news per se. | 03:40 |
| LjL | British Comcast i should say, they don't own Comcast Comcast | 03:41 |
| fisc | they all seem to own each other at this stage :) | 03:43 |
| LjL | kinda | 03:43 |
| fisc | I'm probably an owner @ 0.05% in my mutual funds | 03:43 |
| fisc | but no voting rights | 03:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Julia Gillard: Julia Gillard says 'new normal' after Covid-19 should be to reward caring work done by women → https://is.gd/ujdZ37 | 04:04 |
| CoronaBot_ | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 is transmitted via contact and via the air between ferrets (82 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-17367-2 | https://redd.it/hob8ty | 04:13 |
| LjL | speaking of transmission via the air, Diamond Princess: | 04:14 |
| LjL | Results: Symptomatic infection rate during the quarantine period in cabins with previously confirmed cases is not significantly higher than that in cabins without previously confirmed cases. Age does not appear to be a cofounder. | 04:14 |
| LjL | Conclusions: Airborne transmission of COVID-19 through the ventilation system onboard could explain the virus spread into cabins during the quarantine period. | 04:14 |
| LjL | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.08.20148775v1 | 04:14 |
| LjL | Conclusions: Airborne transmission of COVID-19 through the ventilation system onboard could explain the virus spread into cabins during the quarantine period. | 04:14 |
| LjL | whoops | 04:14 |
| LjL | i don't think we really had to wait until July for someone to reach that conclusion, nevermind for the WHO to start considering airborne transmission not wholly implausible | 04:15 |
| LjL | comment on reddit: "This could be a reason for the resurgence in cases currently happening in hot regions around the world" | 04:16 |
| LjL | yeah, that's also what i've been saying since well before the hot summer, that we might see a bit of relenting because everyone was keeping windows open, and not because of summer temperatures per se, and that air conditioning would make it worse again later | 04:17 |
| LjL | "I work in a hospital in NYC, all of our HVAC systems contain UV light filters as well as particulate filters to get rid of any virus/bacteria so that's a good thing. Deciding not to open malls and large areas where they don't have those types of precautions in place makes a lot of sense." | 04:17 |
| LjL | and that was also stated in a recent opinion-study sort of thing | 04:17 |
| LjL | it's a bit painful there have to be preprints to state obvious things and even then, it's not obvious enough to be enforced by governments | 04:18 |
| de-facto | if droplets are considered to be infectious and if aerosol is generated by voice or breathing or medical procedures from same fluid source, why would anybody assume those aerosol particles not to be infectious? | 04:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australian politics: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria announces $534m business support package amid Melbourne lockdown → https://is.gd/WVzI13 | 04:23 |
| LjL | de-facto, it really beats me | 04:25 |
| LjL | but it has been the working assumption for all these months, everywhere | 04:25 |
| LjL | certainly the WHO never said "it can't happen", they are careful not to frame things that way | 04:25 |
| fisc | ya seems for the beginning they've said droplet and airborne | 04:26 |
| LjL | but just about as certainly, they framed their "no evidence" claims in ways that encouraged governments worldwide to treat airborne transmission as of little relevance | 04:26 |
| fisc | hence K95s need to be used indoors | 04:27 |
| de-facto | yeah they only give out confirmed information, if they dont say it can happen of course it does not mean that it can not happen, it just means they dont have hard evidence | 04:27 |
| LjL | when i kept saying "can't you see from the cruise ship that it's most likely the A/C doing it?" i was countered with a million "it could be the bathrooms, it could be the personnel, it could be..." yes it all could be, but what about the most immediately obvious possibility? | 04:27 |
| de-facto | air exchange is the only sane strategy against this imho | 04:27 |
| LjL | de-facto, no, it's not that simple. there was informational material that had a slant, just like with masks. | 04:28 |
| fisc | too bad, almost no one has K95s, seems like they never will, testing is disappearing in the US now, as it all goes to Texas | 04:28 |
| LjL | "It is not believed to be a primary mode of transmission" is one type of phrasing that comes to mind | 04:28 |
| LjL | bullshit it's not believed | 04:28 |
| fisc | our state had it cut in half | 04:28 |
| fisc | and/or there is now 3-5 day delay in results, which nullifies the contact tracing | 04:29 |
| de-facto | I really think the analogy with cigarette smoke is not too bad: It dilutes outdoors to levels where you cant smell it anymore, but if they allow smoking indoors e.g. in restaurant or such for sure you would smell it, hence if it was aerosol instead infection could happen | 04:30 |
| LjL | don't make that analogy to me, go back to february and make that to every government ever (and the WHO) | 04:31 |
| PlanckWalk | "No coughing, shouting, singing, or breathing within 3 metres of this doorway" | 04:31 |
| LjL | yes i know that is not physically possible, but fuck | 04:31 |
| PlanckWalk | (By analogy with smoking) | 04:31 |
| de-facto | so with air exchange where you have a constant flow removing air without blowing it towards other people probability of infection might be minimized, and filter technology exists for decades already, as you mentioned above | 04:32 |
| de-facto | and its all studied well, e.g. underpressure in biolabs, clean rooms with air "waterfalls" to avoid dust contamination etc pp, the technology exists | 04:33 |
| LjL | de-facto, yes there was a paper i skimmed recently about how filtering or just bypassing recirculation could be retrofitted in existing HVAC systems in businesses and schools... i think it's surreal we have to be looking at *papers* about this in July, 5 months after my region was rather devastated by this thing, and presumably many months before these measures are actually implemented everywhere (or anywhere) | 04:34 |
| LjL | surreal | 04:34 |
| de-facto | it was discussed in several podcasts months ago e.g. by virologists like Drosten | 04:34 |
| de-facto | imho its nothing new, just pressure to finally accept it as a fact might be | 04:35 |
| PlanckWalk | Politicians are always prone to underreaction. To everything. It's just that sometimes that's exactly the wrong response. | 04:35 |
| PlanckWalk | Sorry, not to everything. They overreact to any slights by other politicians. | 04:36 |
| de-facto | hence it would have been helpful if global coordinators would have initiated their own investigations to either confirm or exclude it when it was first discussed in the scientific community, imho it was obvious as soon as pharyngeal test samples came back positive | 04:37 |
| bittersweet | I think over or under reaction mistakes can be made | 04:37 |
| PlanckWalk | I was somewhat alarmed by a paper showing that many viruses live vastly longer in dried droplets of saliva than in dried droplets of water. | 04:38 |
| PlanckWalk | (SARS-CoV-2 wasn't tested by them) | 04:38 |
| PlanckWalk | Since a lot of tests of SARS-CoV-2 viability have been based on diluting the virus in water. | 04:42 |
| bittersweet | oh | 04:42 |
| de-facto | afaik that was known prior to SARS-CoV-2 already, I think i have seen papers on other viruses was it about Influenza or such? | 04:42 |
| CoronaBot_ | 04/r/coronavirus: Fauci: ‘I Don’t Think You Can Say We’re Doing Great. I Mean, We’re Just Not.’ (10276 votes) | https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dr-fauci-partisanship-has-made-it-more-difficult-to-suppress-covid-19/ | https://redd.it/hocl8s | 04:43 |
| PlanckWalk | Yes, I expect it was known. I only read about it recently though. They tested a bunch of different viruses including bacteriophages that aren't even normally found in saliva. | 04:43 |
| de-facto | yeah I didnt know it either prior to investigating it, but to the experts it was known i guess | 04:44 |
| de-facto | e.g. https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/218/5/739/5025997 | 04:57 |
| de-facto | "Influenza Virus Infectivity Is Retained in Aerosols and Droplets Independent of Relative Humidity" | 04:57 |
| de-facto | Published: 07 June 2018 | 05:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Outbreak of dengue fever in Southeast Asia is 'exploding' amid the coronavirus fight: With health-care systems in countries already under strain as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, Southeast Asian nations are grappling with yet another infectious disease outbreak: dengue fever. → https://is.gd/LIhZqG | 05:11 |
| LjL | %title https://dw.com/en/coronavirus-symptoms-brain-damage/a-54111054 | 05:24 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From dw.com: Severe brain damage possible even with mild corona symptoms | Science| In-depth reporting on science and technology | DW | 09.07.2020 | 05:24 |
| pyna | what color is orange juice | 05:24 |
| LjL | Juicy | 05:25 |
| fisc | it's how we got WWII Wilson had a Viral Stroke @Versailles | 05:26 |
| LjL | And speaking of brain damage, before I go to bed, let me share this amazing bit of reddit wisdom | 05:26 |
| LjL | "World news is absolutely bullshit!!!! From brain eating stuff in FL to the plague in Mongolia pneumonia in Kazakistan like wtf ppl post something positive & good just once instead of all this bullshit!!! Fuck off with the stupidness already." | 05:27 |
| fisc | sweet dreams :) | 05:28 |
| fisc | no locusts yet | 05:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australian politics: Coronavirus Australia live update: prime minister Scott Morrison press conference addresses Covid-19 after national cabinet meeting → https://is.gd/WVzI13 | 05:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3260 cases (now 12.4 million), +70 deaths (now 557831) since 2 hours ago — Kazakhstan: +1726 cases (now 54747) since a day ago — Bolivia: +1129 cases (now 44113), +61 deaths (now 1638) since a day ago — Honduras: +406 cases (now 26384), +10 deaths (now 704) since a day ago | 05:51 |
| PlanckWalk | Still no sightings of asteroids on collision course. | 05:51 |
| ryouma | this is a familiar reaction. --- 20:27 <LjL> "World news is absolutely bullshit!!!! From brain eating stuff in FL to the plague in Mongolia pneumonia in Kazakistan like wtf ppl post something positive & good just once instead of all this bullshit!!! Fuck off with the stupidness already." | 05:56 |
| ryouma | "you have a magic hat right? produce good news so i can go off and not hafe to be concerned about anybody except myself." | 05:57 |
| ryouma | (brain eating stuff?) | 05:57 |
| LjL | fisc: actually the locusts ravaged Africa pretty badly to a never seen before extent but we were distracted with other stuff | 05:58 |
| LjL | And clearly I can't sleep | 05:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kyrgyzstan: +511 cases (now 9358), +6 deaths (now 122) since 23 hours ago — World: +511 cases (now 12.5 million), +6 deaths (now 557837) since 18 minutes ago | 06:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +6520 cases (now 12.5 million), +190 deaths (now 558027) since an hour ago — Victoria, Australia: +299 cases (now 3397) since a day ago — Pakistan: +2751 cases (now 243599), +75 deaths (now 5058) since a day ago — Japan: +246 cases (now 20617) since 6 hours ago | 07:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australia news: Scott Morrison says Australia will halve international arrivals during coronavirus crisis → https://is.gd/oirOnN | 07:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Karnataka, India: +2228 cases (now 31105), +16 deaths (now 486) since a day ago — Mato Grosso, Brazil: +2037 cases (now 36935), +48 deaths (now 1064) since a day ago — Andhra Pradesh, India: +1555 cases (now 23814), +13 deaths (now 277) since a day ago — Piaui, Brazil: +1334 cases (now 29745), +26 deaths (now 884) since a day ago | 07:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Australian politics: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records 288 new Covid-19 cases amid Melbourne lockdown → https://is.gd/WVzI13 | 07:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +200 cases (now 12.5 million), +4 deaths (now 558031) since 22 minutes ago — Uzbekistan: +159 cases (now 11723), +1 deaths (now 52) since 7 hours ago — Zimbabwe: +41 cases (now 926), +3 deaths (now 12) since a day ago | 07:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sri Lanka: +196 cases (now 2350) since 12 hours ago — World: +959 cases (now 12.5 million), +15 deaths (now 558046) since 32 minutes ago — India: +763 cases (now 795605), +9 deaths (now 21632) since 5 hours ago — El Salvador: +6 deaths (now 249) since 22 hours ago | 08:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Bolivia leader tests positive as Australia limits returnees: Venezuelan Socialist Party boss also tests positive; Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro ‘in good health’; Australian state of Victoria reports record new cases. Follow the latest updates: → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 08:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Disney World set to reopen at weekend despite coronavirus surge in Florida: State recorded a record high of 120 Covid-19 deaths on Wednesday and is seeing one of the largest outbreaks in the US → https://is.gd/laskaZ | 08:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +766 cases (now 12.5 million), +2 deaths (now 558048) since 36 minutes ago — Israel: +708 cases (now 35533), +2 deaths (now 350) since 13 hours ago — Turks and Caicos: +11 cases (now 66) since 2 days ago — Malawi: +42 cases (now 1984) since 19 hours ago | 08:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Bolivia leader tests positive as Australia limits returnees: Venezuelan Socialist party boss also tests positive; Brazil president Bolsonaro ‘in good health’; record new cases in Australian state of Victoria → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 08:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Victoria: Coronavirus Victoria: locked-down Melbourne residents urged to wear face masks outside home amid 288 new cases → https://is.gd/JP1SMt | 09:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Quarantine rules end for dozens of countries; masks mandatory in Scotland's shops → https://is.gd/vgoCz1 | 09:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Singapore: +191 cases (now 45614) since a day ago — World: +1689 cases (now 12.5 million), +37 deaths (now 558085) since an hour ago — Belgium: +147 cases (now 62357), +3 deaths (now 9781) since a day ago — Armenia: +557 cases (now 30903), +11 deaths (now 546) since a day ago | 09:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Global Coronavirus Updates, 10 July: Singapore polls underway amid pandemic; Australia reduces international flights by half → https://is.gd/pmFG3Q | 09:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: NSW records 14 new Covid-19 cases as Victoria reports 288 new cases: Pop-up testing facility to be set up in Sydney hotel car park as Victorian premier says 37,588 tests were conducted in the state yesterday. Follow live news and updates → https://is.gd/WVzI13 | 09:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Palestine: +3 deaths (now 27) since 15 hours ago — Estonia: +2 cases (now 2013) since 23 hours ago — World: +2 cases (now 12.5 million), +3 deaths (now 558088) since 21 minutes ago | 09:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +32 cases (now 12.5 million) since 24 minutes ago — Taiwan: +2 cases (now 451) since 7 days ago — Slovakia: +19 cases (now 1870) since a day ago — Latvia: +11 cases (now 1165) since 23 hours ago | 10:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): 'Vaccine nationalism' could lead to the coronavirus devastating public health and the economy, experts warn → https://is.gd/oaCMu0 | 10:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: NSW records 14 new Covid-19 cases as Victoria reports 288 new cases: Pop-up testing facility to be set up in Sydney hotel car park as Victorian premier says 37,588 tests were conducted in the state yesterday. Follow live news and updates → https://is.gd/WVzI13 | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +10412 cases (now 12.5 million), +232 deaths (now 558320) since 48 minutes ago — Russia: +6635 cases (now 713936), +174 deaths (now 11017) since a day ago — El Salvador: +298 cases (now 9142) since 2 hours ago — Bangladesh: +2949 cases (now 178443), +37 deaths (now 2275) since 23 hours ago | 10:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Quarantine rules end for dozens of countries; masks mandatory in Scotland's shops → https://is.gd/vgoCz1 | 10:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: U.S. sets one-day record with more than 60,500 COVID cases; Americans divided → https://is.gd/B4VJK3 | 11:05 |
| Urchin[emacs] | %data usa | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Oman: +1889 cases (now 53614), +8 deaths (now 244) since 23 hours ago — World: +3123 cases (now 12.5 million), +54 deaths (now 558374) since 19 minutes ago — Philippines: +1160 cases (now 52914), +46 deaths (now 1360) since 23 hours ago — Hong Kong: +38 cases (now 1404) since 22 hours ago | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | Urchin[emacs]: In US, there have been 3.2 million confirmed cases (1.0% of the population) and 135828 deaths (4.2% of cases) as of an hour ago. 40.2 million tests were performed (8.0% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 8.7% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 11:06 |
| Urchin[emacs] | %data croatia | 11:07 |
| Brainstorm | Urchin[emacs]: In Croatia, there have been 3416 confirmed cases (0.1% of the population) and 115 deaths (3.4% of cases) as of 20 hours ago. 89764 tests were performed (3.8% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Croatia for time series data. | 11:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: new outbreak prompts Hong Kong to close all schools; new spike in Melbourne → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 11:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1745 cases (now 12.5 million), +53 deaths (now 558427) since 18 minutes ago — Indonesia: +1611 cases (now 72347), +52 deaths (now 3469) since 23 hours ago — Malaysia: +13 cases (now 8696) since 23 hours ago — Morocco: +115 cases (now 15194), +1 deaths (now 243) since 15 hours ago | 11:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Business: England gets ready to reopen gyms, pools and nail bars as Covid-19 lockdown eases - business live → https://is.gd/ca1sDX | 11:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: new outbreak prompts Hong Kong to close all schools; new spike in Melbourne → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 11:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Francisco Morazan, Honduras: +4457 cases (now 9630), +126 deaths (now 237) since 7 days ago — Cortes, Honduras: +4051 cases (now 10914), +103 deaths (now 354) since 7 days ago — Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil: +3387 cases (now 11063), +59 deaths (now 134) since 7 days ago — Lisbon, Portugal: +3150 cases (now 21256), +57 deaths (now 514) since 7 days ago | 11:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: quarantine rules end for some visitors; masks mandatory in Scottish shops → https://is.gd/vgoCz1 | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: new outbreak prompts Hong Kong to close all schools; new spike in Melbourne → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 12:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3971 cases (now 12.5 million), +160 deaths (now 558604) since 52 minutes ago — Iran: +2262 cases (now 252720), +142 deaths (now 12447) since a day ago — Kuwait: +740 cases (now 53580), +1 deaths (now 383) since 22 hours ago — Romania: +592 cases (now 31381), +13 deaths (now 1847) since a day ago | 12:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US Army chief welcomed to Thailand with coronavirus test → https://is.gd/ESrYCz | 12:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: new outbreak prompts Hong Kong to close all schools; new spike in Melbourne → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Dadra and Nagar Haveli, India: +114 cases (now 411) since an hour ago — Haryana, India: +367 cases (now 19736) since 5 hours ago — World: +370 cases (now 12.5 million), +5 deaths (now 558609) since 20 minutes ago — Bihar, India: +352 cases (now 14330) since an hour ago | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: quarantine rules end for some visitors; masks mandatory in Scottish shops → https://is.gd/vgoCz1 | 13:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Madagascar: +361 cases (now 4143), +1 deaths (now 34) since a day ago — World: +692 cases (now 12.5 million), +1 deaths (now 558610) since 21 minutes ago — Palestine: +331 cases (now 5551) since 3 hours ago | 13:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Friday: Dow futures pointed a decline at Friday's, one day after the U.S. saw a record-high 63,200 new daily Covid-19 cases. → https://is.gd/Sod6rV | 13:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronavirusUK: The coronavirus outbreak has show just how much Scotland benefits from being part of the Union – Pamela Nash → https://is.gd/imhS3p | 13:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Friday: Dow futures pointed a decline at Friday's, one day after the U.S. saw a record-high 63,200 new daily Covid-19 cases. → https://is.gd/Sod6rV | 13:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: new outbreak prompts Hong Kong to close all schools; new rise in Melbourne → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 13:48 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 13:58 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 287621 confirmed cases (0.4% of the population) and 44602 deaths (15.5% of cases) as of 22 hours ago. 11.3 million tests were performed (2.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 13:58 |
| dTal | Don't trust the bot, go look at the graph. Funny things with the UK data lately | 14:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Friday: Dow futures pointed a decline at Friday's open, one day after the U.S. saw a record-high 63,200 new daily Covid-19 cases. → https://is.gd/Sod6rV | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Business: England gets ready to reopen gyms, pools and nail bars as Covid-19 lockdown eases - business live → https://is.gd/ca1sDX | 14:36 |
| xrogaan | Belgium is mandating the wear of masks while doing grocery shopping. | 14:37 |
| xrogaan | (at last) | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +4539 cases (now 12.5 million), +87 deaths (now 558697) since an hour ago — Brazil: +3160 cases (now 1.8 million), +62 deaths (now 69316) since 13 hours ago — Qatar: +520 cases (now 102630), +4 deaths (now 146) since 22 hours ago — Namibia: +52 cases (now 667), +1 deaths (now 1) since a day ago | 14:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Friday: Dow futures pointed a decline at Friday's open, one day after the U.S. saw a record-high 63,200 new daily Covid-19 cases. → https://is.gd/Sod6rV | 14:45 |
| CoronaBot_ | 04/r/covid19: Comment on “Analysis of hospital traffic and search engine data in Wuhan China indicates early disease activity in the Fall of 2019" by Nsoesie et al. (85 votes) | http://nrs.harvard.edu/urn-3:HUL.InstRepos:42689379 | https://redd.it/homllb | 14:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Croatia: +116 cases (now 3532), +2 deaths (now 117) since a day ago — World: +162 cases (now 12.5 million), +10 deaths (now 558707) since 19 minutes ago — Sudan: +46 cases (now 10204), +8 deaths (now 649) since 17 hours ago — Daman and Diu, India: +9 cases (now 470) since 2 hours ago | 14:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: new outbreak prompts Hong Kong to close all schools; new rise in Melbourne → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 14:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: 5 things to know before the stock market opens Friday: Dow futures cut losses Friday after Gilead Sciences reported a "62% reduction in the risk of mortality" in Covid-19 patients treated with its remdesivir antiviral. → https://is.gd/Sod6rV | 15:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Saudi Arabia: +3159 cases (now 226486), +51 deaths (now 2151) since 23 hours ago — World: +3159 cases (now 12.5 million), +94 deaths (now 558801) since 23 minutes ago — Malawi: +4 deaths (now 29) since 6 hours ago — Argentina: +29 deaths (now 1749) since 14 hours ago | 15:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Gilead says remdesivir coronavirus treatment reduces risk of death in severely sick patients → https://is.gd/evs9ja | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: U.S. reports record single-day spike of 63,200 new cases of coronavirus: White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci has urged officials in states where the outbreak is worsening to reconsider reopening plans. → https://is.gd/LZOoL2 | 15:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +630 cases (now 12.5 million), +14 deaths (now 558844) since 21 minutes ago — Azerbaijan: +526 cases (now 22990), +8 deaths (now 292) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +42 cases (now 50840) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +38 cases (now 199254), +1 deaths (now 9126) since an hour ago | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Gilead says remdesivir coronavirus treatment reduces risk of death in severely sick patients: The findings show that 7.6% of patients treated with remdesivir died compared with 12.5% of patients in the analysis who did not receive remdesivir treatment. → https://is.gd/evs9ja | 15:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Skane, Sweden: +35 cases (now 3245), +3 deaths (now 255) since 8 hours ago — Stockholm, Sweden: +202 cases (now 21907), +9 deaths (now 2362) since 8 hours ago — Vaestra Goetaland, Sweden: +143 cases (now 16650), +8 deaths (now 789) since 8 hours ago — Iowa, US: +121 cases (now 33597) since 3 hours ago | 15:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: Nicola Sturgeon says new cases in Scotland at three-week high as restrictions eased → https://is.gd/vgoCz1 | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kenya: +473 cases (now 9448), +8 deaths (now 181) since a day ago — World: +1015 cases (now 12.5 million), +10 deaths (now 558854) since 23 minutes ago — United Arab Emirates: +473 cases (now 54050), +2 deaths (now 330) since a day ago — US: +64 cases (now 3.2 million) since 23 minutes ago | 16:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Business: England gets ready to reopen gyms, pools and nail bars as Covid-19 lockdown eases - as it happened → https://is.gd/ca1sDX | 16:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Dr. Scott Gottlieb estimates as many as 1 in 150 people in U.S. are infected with coronavirus → https://is.gd/6ZvcJr | 16:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2186 cases (now 12.5 million), +49 deaths (now 558903) since 24 minutes ago — US: +1674 cases (now 3.2 million), +1 deaths (now 135870) since 24 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +512 cases (now 288133), +48 deaths (now 44650) since a day ago — Lower Austria, Austria: +22 cases (now 3051) since 3 days ago | 16:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Gilead says remdesivir coronavirus treatment reduces risk of death in severely sick patients: The findings show that 7.6% of patients treated with remdesivir died compared with 12.5% of patients in the analysis who did not receive remdesivir treatment. → https://is.gd/evs9ja | 16:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Serbia: +386 cases (now 17728), +18 deaths (now 370) since a day ago — World: +926 cases (now 12.5 million), +33 deaths (now 558936) since 21 minutes ago — US: +537 cases (now 3.2 million), +15 deaths (now 135885) since 21 minutes ago — Maryland, US: +463 cases (now 71910), +15 deaths (now 3303) since a day ago | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: new outbreak prompts Hong Kong to close all schools; new rise in Melbourne → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: U.S. reports record single-day spike of 63,200 new cases of coronavirus: White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci has urged officials in states where the outbreak is worsening to reconsider reopening plans. → https://is.gd/LZOoL2 | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +7130 cases (now 12.5 million), +128 deaths (now 559064) since 20 minutes ago — India: +6700 cases (now 804861), +120 deaths (now 21776) since an hour ago — Kerala, India: +416 cases (now 6951) since 5 hours ago — Moldova: +258 cases (now 18924), +8 deaths (now 635) since 6 hours ago | 16:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): 'Vaccine nationalism' could lead to the coronavirus devastating public health and the economy, experts warn → https://is.gd/oaCMu0 | 16:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: Three Takeaways From the Supreme Court’s Decisions on Trump’s Tax and Financial Documents: by Katherine Sullivan , WNYC Stay up to date with email updates about WNYC and ProPublica’s investigations into the president’s business practices. The Supreme Court issued its highly anticipated decisions yesterday in two cases [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xYRTU6 | 17:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Florida, US: +11433 cases (now 244151), +93 deaths (now 4102) since a day ago — US: +11433 cases (now 3.2 million), +93 deaths (now 135978) since 23 minutes ago — World: +11433 cases (now 12.5 million), +93 deaths (now 559157) since 23 minutes ago — Campania, Italy: +7 cases (now 4701) since 23 hours ago | 17:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Gilead says remdesivir coronavirus treatment reduces risk of death in severely sick patients: The findings show that 7.6% of patients treated with remdesivir died compared with 12.5% of patients in the analysis who did not receive remdesivir treatment. → https://is.gd/evs9ja | 17:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iraq: +2848 cases (now 72460), +78 deaths (now 2960) since a day ago — Uttar Pradesh, India: +1338 cases (now 33700), +27 deaths (now 889) since 10 hours ago — West Bengal, India: +1198 cases (now 27109), +26 deaths (now 880) since 10 hours ago — Tamil Nadu, India: +3680 cases (now 130261), +64 deaths (now 1829) since 10 hours ago | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: public lack of trust in government risks undermining health messages, say Sage scientists → https://is.gd/vgoCz1 | 17:28 |
| CoronaBot_ | 04/r/coronavirus: These Arizona teachers shared a classroom for summer school. All 3 contracted COVID-19. 1 died. (10444 votes) | https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2020/07/09/covid-19-school-reopenings-arizona-teachers/5411122002/ | https://redd.it/honwfs | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Gilead says remdesivir coronavirus treatment reduces risk of death in severely sick patients: The findings show that 7.6% of patients treated with remdesivir died compared with 12.5% of patients in the analysis who did not receive remdesivir treatment. → https://is.gd/evs9ja | 17:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5406 cases (now 12.5 million), +66 deaths (now 559303) since 20 minutes ago — Arizona, US: +4221 cases (now 116892), +44 deaths (now 2082) since 23 hours ago — US: +4221 cases (now 3.2 million), +44 deaths (now 136022) since 20 minutes ago — Greece: +60 cases (now 3732) since a day ago | 17:39 |
| CoronaBot_ | 04/r/covid19: Gilead Presents Additional Data on Investigational Antiviral Remdesivir for the Treatment of COVID-19 (80 votes) | http://investors.gilead.com/news-releases/news-release-details/gilead-presents-additional-data-investigational-antiviral | https://redd.it/hoo73f | 17:44 |
| CoronaBot_ | 04/r/covid19: Persistent Symptoms in Patients After Acute COVID-19 (80 votes) | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2768351?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=content-shareicons&utm_content=article_engagement&utm_medium=social&utm_term=070920#.XwdYMStuS5A.twitter | https://redd.it/ho7sjm | 17:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: public lack of trust in government risks undermining health messages, say Sage scientists → https://is.gd/vgoCz1 | 17:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Gujarat, India: +875 cases (now 40155), +14 deaths (now 2023) since 6 hours ago — Italy: +276 cases (now 242639), +12 deaths (now 34938) since a day ago — Delhi, India: +2089 cases (now 109140), +42 deaths (now 3300) since 10 hours ago — England, United Kingdom: +480 cases (now 164943), +48 deaths (now 40066) since 10 hours ago | 17:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: Idlib schools close and hospitals axe non-urgent surgery after first case → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: Boris Johnson signals stricter rules on face coverings in 'People's PMQs': News updates: PM says scientific advice on masks has shifted; Sage scientists say stars should be enlisted for public messages as public has lost trust in government; Scotland number of new cases at three-week high → https://is.gd/vgoCz1 | 18:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Maharashtra, India: +7862 cases (now 238461), +226 deaths (now 9893) since 11 hours ago — Karnataka, India: +2313 cases (now 33418), +57 deaths (now 545) since 6 hours ago — World: +22680 cases (now 12.5 million), +497 deaths (now 559812) since 36 minutes ago — India: +13786 cases (now 818647), +346 deaths (now 22122) since an hour ago | 18:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: The uptick in the number of people dying before they can even reach a hospital in Houston draws parallels to what happened in NYC, when there was a spike in firefighters responding to medical calls, only to discover that the person in need of help had already died. → https://is.gd/4CJdPb | 18:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nevada, US: +1004 cases (now 25908) since a day ago — Indiana, US: +725 cases (now 50300), +9 deaths (now 2748) since a day ago — World: +3976 cases (now 12.6 million), +71 deaths (now 559883) since 20 minutes ago — US: +2147 cases (now 3.2 million), +43 deaths (now 136114) since 20 minutes ago | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Bogotá to re-enter strict lockdown; Syria reports first case: Idlib schools close; new outbreak prompts Hong Kong to close all schools; Bolivia leader and Venezuelan Socialist party boss test positive → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 18:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: [Unconfirmed Context] this video is from at least 4 days ago and is purported to be from Atyrau, Kazakhstan where people are "fighting for paracetamol" [Acetaminophen] due to drug prices allegedly being raised during the covid19 outbreak. Similar scenes being reported in Aktau and elsewhere → https://is.gd/WS8p8h | 18:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mississippi, US: +1031 cases (now 34622), +11 deaths (now 1215) since 23 hours ago — World: +1593 cases (now 12.6 million), +28 deaths (now 559911) since 20 minutes ago — Montana, US: +127 cases (now 1593), +3 deaths (now 28) since a day ago — US: +1160 cases (now 3.2 million), +22 deaths (now 136136) since 20 minutes ago | 18:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Fauci says he hasn’t briefed Trump in two months as Covid-19 cases rise: President said public health expert ‘made a lot of mistakes’ while nearly 3.2 million have contracted the coronavirus → https://is.gd/MqYE9U | 19:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Louisiana, US: +2642 cases (now 74636), +20 deaths (now 3380) since 23 hours ago — World: +4136 cases (now 12.6 million), +52 deaths (now 559963) since 21 minutes ago — US: +2777 cases (now 3.3 million), +22 deaths (now 136158) since 21 minutes ago — Turkey: +1003 cases (now 210965), +23 deaths (now 5323) since 23 hours ago | 19:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: The union battle versus Trump administration over bringing workers back, safely: The Trump administration's Department of Labor and its workplace safety arm OSHA are in an escalating battle with the powerful union AFL-CIO over protecting employees from coronavirus. → https://is.gd/Ykg8Cf | 19:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +6910 cases (now 12.6 million), +95 deaths (now 560058) since 16 minutes ago — Brazil: +6707 cases (now 1.8 million), +90 deaths (now 69406) since 4 hours ago — Maldives: +64 cases (now 2617) since 23 hours ago — Angola: +62 cases (now 458), +1 deaths (now 23) since a day ago | 19:20 |
| nixonix | %data world | 19:26 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: In World, there have been 12.6 million confirmed cases (0.2% of the population) and 560058 deaths (4.5% of cases) as of 7 minutes ago. 275.3 million tests were performed (4.6% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 7.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 19:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: record 24-hour increase in global cases; Bogotá to re-enter strict lockdown → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Boris Johnson: Face masks could be mandatory in shops, hints Boris Johnson → https://is.gd/rmLfij | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ohio, US: +1503 cases (now 62856), +20 deaths (now 3032) since an hour ago — World: +4894 cases (now 12.6 million), +122 deaths (now 560180) since 46 minutes ago — US: +2180 cases (now 3.3 million), +45 deaths (now 136203) since an hour ago — Congo: +207 cases (now 2028) since a day ago | 20:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: How Coronavirus Spreads through the Air: What We Know So Far: New coronavirus is known to be spread via large droplets that fall to the ground. But whether it can be spread by smaller airborne particles remains unclear. → https://is.gd/B5DqdE | 20:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Buenos Aires, Argentina: +2372 cases (now 47795), +10 deaths (now 801) since 8 hours ago — Tokyo, Japan: +233 cases (now 7515) since 13 hours ago — World: +1941 cases (now 12.6 million), +34 deaths (now 560214) since 16 minutes ago — US: +1938 cases (now 3.3 million), +34 deaths (now 136237) since 16 minutes ago | 20:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: record 24-hour increase in global cases; Bogotá to re-enter strict lockdown → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 20:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump's rift with White House health advisor Fauci widens as coronavirus cases continue to hit new records → https://is.gd/EN5jaZ | 20:40 |
| CoronaBot_ | 04/r/coronavirus: Fauci: “I have a reputation, as you probably have figured out, of speaking the truth at all times and not sugar-coating things. And that may be one of the reasons why I haven’t been on television very much lately” (10164 votes) | https://www.ft.com/content/57834c2c-a078-4736-9173-8fb32cfbbf4e | https://redd.it/hoppw8 | 20:45 |
| nixonix | quite old, that scientific american article (not sure if not relevant still, but anyway) | 20:48 |
| nixonix | finnish national health institute's view: Use of fabric face masks during a coronavirus pandemic https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fthl.fi%2Ffi%2Fweb%2Finfektiotaudit-ja-rokotukset%2Fajankohtaista%2Fajankohtaista-koronaviruksesta-covid-19%2Ftarttuminen-ja-suojautuminen-koronavirus%2Fkankaisten-kasvomaskien-kaytto-koronaviruspandemian-aikana https://thl.fi/fi/web/infektiotaudit-ja-rokotukset/ajankohtaista/ | 20:50 |
| nixonix | ajankohtaista-koronaviruksesta-covid-19/tarttuminen-ja-suojautuminen-koronavirus/kankaisten-kasvomaskien-kaytto-koronaviruspandemian-aikana | 20:50 |
| nixonix | the original link that got split: https://thl.fi/fi/web/infektiotaudit-ja-rokotukset/ajankohtaista/ajankohtaista-koronaviruksesta-covid-19/tarttuminen-ja-suojautuminen-koronavirus/kankaisten-kasvomaskien-kaytto-koronaviruspandemian-aikana | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bogota, Colombia: +1610 cases (now 42347) since 13 hours ago — Antioquia, Colombia: +579 cases (now 7825), +1 deaths (now 67) since 13 hours ago — Valle del Cauca, Colombia: +543 cases (now 13389) since 13 hours ago — Magdalena, Colombia: +201 cases (now 2543) since 13 hours ago | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +13334 cases (now 12.6 million), +146 deaths (now 560362) since 22 minutes ago — South Africa: +12348 cases (now 250687), +140 deaths (now 3860) since 23 hours ago — Wisconsin, US: +845 cases (now 34753), +5 deaths (now 814) since a day ago — US: +845 cases (now 3.3 million), +5 deaths (now 136242) since 22 minutes ago | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Coronavirus News Roundup, July 4-July 9: Pandemic highlights for the week -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/uhK1oF | 21:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia (US), US: +4484 cases (now 111211), +35 deaths (now 2965) since a day ago — World: +6965 cases (now 12.6 million), +49 deaths (now 560411) since 16 minutes ago — US: +6517 cases (now 3.3 million), +48 deaths (now 136290) since 16 minutes ago — Tennessee, US: +1955 cases (now 59546), +13 deaths (now 723) since a day ago | 21:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Utah, US: +867 cases (now 28223), +2 deaths (now 207) since a day ago — World: +2319 cases (now 12.6 million), +96 deaths (now 560507) since 18 minutes ago — US: +1198 cases (now 3.3 million), +10 deaths (now 136300) since 18 minutes ago — Egypt: +981 cases (now 80235), +85 deaths (now 3702) since 22 hours ago | 21:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump claims storm, not turnout concerns, 'forced' him to cancel New Hampshire rally – live: Tropical storm is not expected to hit New Hampshire Trump: Biden is a ‘puppet’ of ‘the militant left’ Fauci says he hasn’t briefed Trump in two months as Covid-19 cases rise Texas county had ‘model’ response – then the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/N8jFZE | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Illinois, US: +1327 cases (now 152899), +16 deaths (now 7345) since 23 hours ago — Kansas, US: +635 cases (now 18723) since an hour ago — World: +5930 cases (now 12.6 million), +49 deaths (now 560556) since 17 minutes ago — US: +4633 cases (now 3.3 million), +46 deaths (now 136346) since 17 minutes ago | 21:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirusInfo: China news: Unknown disease spreading in Asian country deadlier than COVID-19 → https://is.gd/iOvJoX | 21:56 |
| CoronaBot_ | 04/r/covid19: CT of coronavirus disease (COVID-19) versus CT of influenza virus pneumonia (80 votes) | https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-07/arrs-coc070920.php | https://redd.it/hol96c | 22:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump claims storm, not turnout concerns, 'forced' him to cancel New Hampshire rally – live: Tropical storm is not expected to hit New Hampshire Trump: Biden is a ‘puppet’ of ‘the militant left’ Fauci says he hasn’t briefed Trump in two months as Covid-19 cases rise Texas county had ‘model’ response – then the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/N8jFZE | 22:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +5651 cases (now 12.6 million), +87 deaths (now 560643) since 46 minutes ago — US: +5476 cases (now 3.3 million), +85 deaths (now 136431) since 46 minutes ago — California, US: +2148 cases (now 306550) since 46 minutes ago — Texas, US: +1662 cases (now 242675), +15 deaths (now 3061) since 19 hours ago | 22:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Remdesivir cuts COVID-19 death risk by 62%, drugmaker says → https://is.gd/LXkUJg | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US&cumulative=no&miscType=Reff how's R(eff)=~1 for USA? | 22:49 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, it shows it consistently above 1 lately. tinwhiskers did warn that it's just one way of computing it from the data, it could be computed in other ways, and there's no way it's the "real" Reff since that's very elusive to actually determine | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rate of new cases increases a 5% per day or somesuch | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a few days ago they had 50k now 63k | 22:56 |
| LjL | well that's compatible with R being slightly above 1 as far as i know | 22:56 |
| LjL | if you have 100 infected today and it's 105 tomorrow it means each person infects 1.05 other people in one day. in reality more than one day matters, so it's more than that, but i don't really know how to calculate that | 22:57 |
| LjL | anyway at the worst point recently it reads Reff = 1.22 so it seems compatible to me | 22:58 |
| LjL | it doesn't really take each person infecting a *ton* of other people for the curve to be exponential | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rrright | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 51 to 63 in 5 days with R time window = 4d is actually only a 1.2 | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | around | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, that's scary | 23:01 |
| Brainstormie | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'You cannot fight the pandemic with lies' -- Angela Merkel knows how to insert a dagger → https://is.gd/cfNR7E | 23:03 |
| Brainstormie | Updates for Brazil: +31857 cases (now 1.8 million), +992 deaths (now 70398) since 3 hours ago — World: +37281 cases (now 12.6 million), +1188 deaths (now 561831) since 31 minutes ago — Peru: +3198 cases (now 319646), +186 deaths (now 11500) since 23 hours ago — US: +1934 cases (now 3.3 million), +9 deaths (now 136440) since 31 minutes ago | 23:06 |
| de-facto | if Reff is only _slightly_ above 1 it means there is a HUGE problem arriving at an exponential rate, if Reff == 1 its equilibrium e.g. as many new cases as recoveries, so you aim for Reff < 1 to win against the pandemic | 23:07 |
| de-facto | the HUGE problem derives from USA having both Reff > 1 and 61k+ daily new cases | 23:08 |
| LjL | according to offloop, Italy's R keeps hovering around 1, often being above it, so it's not like we should be perfectly confident everything's going to be fine | 23:09 |
| LjL | "andrà tutto bene" 'cept for the ones who are death | 23:09 |
| de-facto | well if daily new case numbers came down significantly e.g. like in Italy discovery of small clusters make the daily new cases "noisy" hence Reff also is oscillating with that noise, but obviously its not above 1 otherwise daily new cases would have steadily increased | 23:13 |
| de-facto | keep in mind reproduction number is a exponential metric, hence tiny derivations from 1 make a big difference on the daily new case numbers (you always have to look at both Reff and daily new cases together) | 23:16 |
| LjL | de-facto, i think they kind of have steadily decreased during the past 4 or so day. not a huge sample, but still. at least, that's true if you take the percentage of positive tests as a better metric of cases being increasing than the actual cases themselves, which as you said, oscillate randomly given their ~200-ish small entity | 23:17 |
| LjL | increased* not decreased | 23:17 |
| de-facto | yeah careful with the most recent data points though, afaik for many countries those will still change a bit (e.g. delayed reporting and such) | 23:19 |
| de-facto | hmm or are such delayed reporting data added to the day they arrive in the accumulated data? not sure if those csv files strictly patch only for current day or also for the past that already was published | 23:21 |
| LjL | de-facto, there's also the fact that Italy is conducting its (probably a bit of a failure) serological survey, so a certain amount of the new positives are actually coming from PCRs made after positive antibody tests | 23:24 |
| LjL | on a random sample | 23:24 |
| LjL | they do communicate how many are from the survey and how many are from clinical tests | 23:25 |
| LjL | doesn't show up on offloop though obviously... so i haven't looked into the numbers in detail | 23:25 |
| LjL | de-facto, offloop doesn't change the data for previous days, and in the case of italy, our data isn't "back-corrected". tests are just added to the current day. so yeah it definitely fluctuates, mostly on a weekly basis | 23:26 |
| LjL | hence looking at the percentage of positive tests being more meaningful, i think, than just raw case count | 23:26 |
| de-facto | yeah of course its good when positive cases are discovered by testing, but the problem cant be contained when testing rates are not adjusted accordingly to the virus prevalence itself, e.g. when an increasing number of tests come back positive its an indication of loosing the battle | 23:27 |
| de-facto | For 68% of US citizens more than 5% of tests come back positive, if the limit was at 1% tests coming back positive (as its done in countries containing it with some success) there are not enough testings done for 99.8% of US citizens | 23:29 |
| LjL | right, and that's what is happening now, even though we're still talking low amounts | 23:29 |
| LjL | every day more tests come out positive, and yet, we are testing progressively less, not more | 23:29 |
| de-facto | imho every country should ramp up testing until only 1 in 100 tests come back positive | 23:30 |
| LjL | also, the numbers available on international sites (like offloop) typically indicate the *total* number of tests, including individuals who have been tested more than once. so the 0.30% or so that we get is really more like 1% when you look at individuals | 23:30 |
| LjL | de-facto, well we're around that | 23:30 |
| LjL | https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/en/#box_6 | 23:31 |
| LjL | click "Trend persone testate" to avoid the "total tests including the people who have been tested five times" issue | 23:31 |
| LjL | the black line is the amount of positives, and you can see the exact amount/percentage by hovering | 23:31 |
| de-facto | yeah ~1% positive tests, hence Italy is on somewhat of a steady state | 23:32 |
| de-facto | fortunately with low daily new cases | 23:32 |
| LjL | yeah, but many small clusters mainly from "returnees" | 23:32 |
| LjL | (people coming from other countries) | 23:32 |
| LjL | and things like these criminal morons who tested positive, were told to self-quarantine, but took trains left and right for days instead | 23:33 |
| LjL | i bet the cases those caused will pop up delayed but painful | 23:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus live news: record 24-hour increase in global cases; Bogotá to re-enter strict lockdown → https://is.gd/Htxm40 | 23:35 |
| de-facto | %title https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing#the-positive-rate-are-countries-testing-enough-to-monitor-their-outbreak | 23:40 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From ourworldindata.org: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Testing - Statistics and Research - Our World in Data | 23:40 |
| bin_bash | france isnt releasing any data? | 23:45 |
| LjL | no it's just about the number of tests | 23:45 |
| LjL | but i think i heard Macron announced they are no longer releasing some other data too | 23:45 |
| bin_bash | ah the ol' trump line. if we dont have data it doesnt exist! | 23:46 |
| LjL | yeah, anyway i'm not sure about that | 23:46 |
| LjL | still the number of tests is an important data point to provide for transparency and for a better sense of how many new cases there are | 23:47 |
| LjL | (and for whether you're testing enough but that goes by itself) | 23:47 |
| bin_bash | agreed | 23:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1963 cases (now 12.6 million), +11 deaths (now 561899) since 33 minutes ago — Texas, US: +1578 cases (now 246265), +5 deaths (now 3087) since 33 minutes ago — US: +1586 cases (now 3.3 million), +5 deaths (now 136476) since 33 minutes ago — Bulgaria: +292 cases (now 6964), +5 deaths (now 267) since a day ago | 23:50 |
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