Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says he still thinks hydroxychloroquine works in treating early stage coronavirus → https://is.gd/kjgKQn | 00:04 |
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Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Joe Biden says Trump's divisiveness is 'the last thing we need' – live: Democrat says president has failed in his duty to care for entire country Attorney general bemoans the ‘demonization of police’ after Floyd’s killing at House committee hearing Twitter restricts Donald Trump Jr’s account over Covid misinformation [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/mX76wM | 00:13 |
Arsanerit | why does Brainstorm spew out so much politics? | 00:21 |
LjL | because tragically it lacks any AI and just prints whatever is in the RSS feeds | 00:23 |
disillusion | https://www.democracynow.org/2020/7/28/covid_19_vaccine_trials | 00:31 |
disillusion | A Vaccine by November? Science Journalist in Vaccine Trial Casts Doubt on Rosy U.S. Projections | 00:32 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says he still thinks hydroxychloroquine works in treating early stage coronavirus → https://is.gd/kjgKQn | 00:33 |
LjL | i ever heard October on TV, don't remember what the source was claimed to be | 00:36 |
LjL | at this pace it will be ready by last May | 00:36 |
disillusion | from the democracynow article: | 00:38 |
disillusion | "I must admit I was surprised to hear Anthony Fauci suggest that the vaccine might come October, November. I mean, that’s much faster than I expected." | 00:38 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +10284 cases (now 267385), +297 deaths (now 9074) since 23 hours ago — World: +43094 cases (now 16.9 million), +953 deaths (now 662492) since an hour ago — Brazil: +27286 cases (now 2.5 million), +522 deaths (now 88539) since 5 hours ago — US: +4205 cases (now 4.5 million), +83 deaths (now 152096) since an hour ago | 00:40 |
disillusion | on another subject, a few weeks ago Democracy Now interviewed a former top CDC official who said data was coming out that half of all people infected experienced heart problems | 00:40 |
disillusion | this was Dr. Ali Khan on Democracy Now Jul 15 | 00:42 |
disillusion | "Dr. Ali Khan, epidemiologist and the dean of the College of Public Health at the University of Nebraska Medical Center...He is the former director of the CDC’s Office of Public Health Preparedness and Response, where he oversaw the Strategic National Stockpile" | 00:43 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live: Queensland school closed after staff member tests positive – latest updates: Almost 20% of Victorian aged care facilities affected as crisis deepens. In NSW, authorities scramble to contain localised outbreaks in Sydney. Follow live → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 00:43 |
disillusion | https://www.democracynow.org/2020/7/15/dr_ali_khan_covid_19_patient | 00:43 |
SaintMal | what might come out in Oct is the results of the Human Trial for Moderna | 00:43 |
disillusion | Dr. Ali Khan said: | 00:43 |
disillusion | "We are now learning that about 50% of all people who get infected with this disease have some sort of heart abnormality. So, even if you don’t die, there may be long-term — there are long-term complications of this disease. So we don’t want our young people to get infected, either." | 00:43 |
SaintMal | but, any newsy vaccine talk is tied to the Banksters shorting the stocks etc | 00:44 |
disillusion | but I haven't been able to corroborate this anywhere else, including Dr. Khan's own tweets. | 00:44 |
disillusion | if it's true that half of all people have some sort of "heart abnormality", whatever that means, if it never gets better, doesn't that mean multiple infections will weaken the heart throughout a person's lifetime? | 00:45 |
disillusion | if true, it means people will be worn down gradually, over years, by this virus. And heart problems can include A-fib, which causes blood clots which cause strokes. | 00:46 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says he still thinks hydroxychloroquine works in treating early stage coronavirus → https://is.gd/kjgKQn | 00:53 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump says 'nobody likes me' when asked about Fauci's absence – live: Biden says president has failed in his duty to care for entire country Attorney general bemoans the ‘demonization of police’ at House committee hearing Twitter restricts Donald Trump Jr’s account over Covid misinformation Sign up to our First Thing [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/mX76wM | 01:03 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +10440 cases (now 16.9 million), +127 deaths (now 662619) since 36 minutes ago — Argentina: +5939 cases (now 173355), +97 deaths (now 3179) since 8 hours ago — US: +3631 cases (now 4.5 million), +18 deaths (now 152114) since 36 minutes ago — Texas, US: +2595 cases (now 412220) since 36 minutes ago | 01:05 |
nixonix | what is meant by "vaccine comes"? part of old people, medical personnel etc get a jab, or that everybody (in some country) has an opportunity to get the jab? | 01:09 |
nixonix | or that the first vaccine for sars-2 gets approval in some country | 01:10 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Sending untested patients to care homes 'reckless' - MPs → https://is.gd/U1dNbn | 01:12 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2593 cases (now 16.9 million), +28 deaths (now 662647) since 16 minutes ago — US: +1655 cases (now 4.5 million), +28 deaths (now 152142) since 16 minutes ago — Ghana: +782 cases (now 34406) since 23 hours ago — Bahamas: +65 cases (now 447) since a day ago | 01:20 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Alzheimer's: 'Promising' blood test for early stage of disease: The test could spot the disease at the earliest stage before symptoms appear, studies suggest. → https://is.gd/Qw4JL9 | 01:22 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US deaths near 150,000 as Italy extends state of emergency: Trump blames US case surge on protestors; WHO warns pandemic is “one big wave”, not seasonal; Air travel not expected to recover until 2024. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 01:32 |
tinwhiskers | WHO warns pandemic is “one big wave”, not seasonal; Can I say "I told you so" now? | 01:37 |
snake | %cases pa | 01:42 |
Brainstorm | snake: In Pennsylvania, US, there have been 114129 confirmed cases (0.9% of the population) and 7218 deaths (6.3% of cases) as of an hour ago. 1.1 million tests were performed (10.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 01:42 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says he still thinks hydroxychloroquine works in treating early stage coronavirus → https://is.gd/kjgKQn | 01:42 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Queensland school closed after staff member tests positive – latest news → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 01:51 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Trump says 'nobody likes me' when asked about Fauci's absence – live: Biden says president has failed in his duty to care for entire country Attorney general bemoans the ‘demonization of police’ at House committee hearing Twitter restricts Donald Trump Jr’s account over Covid misinformation Sign up to our First Thing [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/mX76wM | 02:01 |
ubLIX[m] | disillusion: ("..haven't been able to corroborate..") - perhaps because it's not much said out loud because it's normal for viruses to cause damage - "what doesn't kill you.. generally makes you weaker" - aging is after all, in a sense, accumulation of damage. it might be this one's more prominent harm from its being novel to us. also, wrt "..able to corroborate..", you might take a look at de-facto's earlier post, | 02:08 |
ubLIX[m] | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916 | 02:08 |
ubLIX[m] | although the study in that link doesn't rule out the possibility of fuller resolution of inflammation | 02:09 |
ubLIX[m] | prominent harm *follows from its | 02:13 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates (80 votes) | https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671?query=featured_home | https://redd.it/hzkxng | 02:15 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Peru: +5288 cases (now 395005), +194 deaths (now 18612) since 23 hours ago — World: +10777 cases (now 17.0 million), +423 deaths (now 663070) since an hour ago — Madrid, Spain: +756 cases (now 74700) since 3 days ago — C. Valenciana, Spain: +331 cases (now 12773) since 3 days ago | 02:20 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US deaths near 150,000 as Italy extends state of emergency: Trump blames US case surge on protestors; WHO warns pandemic is “one big wave”, not seasonal; Air travel not expected to recover until 2024. Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 02:21 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Queensland school closed after staff member tests positive – latest news → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 02:31 |
disillusion | ubLIX[m], what de-facto posted never uses the word "heart" but uses "cardiac". This can explain why it's been difficult for me to find other info. | 02:54 |
disillusion | "myocardial inflammation" | 02:56 |
disillusion | "cardiovascular consequences" | 02:56 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US deaths near 150,000 as Italy extends state of emergency: Trump blames US case surge on protesters ; Pilgrims quarantined in Mecca as hajj begins ; WHO warns pandemic is “one big wave”, not seasonal . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 03:10 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live news: PM gives update on Victoria response as aged care homes and schools in south-east Queensland closed: Authorities not ruling out further border restrictions after two women who returned to Brisbane from Melbourne test positive. Almost 20% of aged care facilities in Victoria affected as crisis [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 03:19 |
Brainstorm | New from BMJ Open: Retrospective cross-sectional analysis of the changes in marijuana use in the USA, 2005-2018: Objectives Understanding trends of marijuana use in the USA throughout a period of particularly high adoption of marijuana-legalisation, and understanding demographics most at risk of use, is important in evolving healthcare policy and [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/XF3HoK | 03:29 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live news: PM gives update on Victoria response as aged care homes and schools in south-east Queensland closed: Queensland announces border closure to greater Sydney after two women who returned to Brisbane from Melbourne test positive. Almost 20% of aged care facilities in Victoria affected as crisis [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 03:55 |
strike | %cases USA | 04:16 |
Brainstorm | strike: In US, there have been 4.5 million confirmed cases (1.4% of the population) and 152320 deaths (3.4% of cases) as of 17 minutes ago. 55.7 million tests were performed (8.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 6.5% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 04:16 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Hong Kong faces large-scale outbreak that may lead to 'collapse' of hospital system, leader says → https://is.gd/7yi71U | 04:28 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records nine deaths and 295 new cases as Queensland closes border to Sydney: Schools and aged care homes closed after two women who returned to Brisbane from Melbourne test positive. Almost 20% of aged care facilities in Victoria affected as crisis deepens. Follow live → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 04:38 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Fauci says there are early signs coronavirus outbreaks are brewing in Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky and Tennessee (10331 votes) | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/fauci-says-there-are-early-signs-coronavirus-outbreaks-are-brewing-in-ohio-indiana-kentucky-and-tennessee.html | https://redd.it/hzjmwf | 04:46 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Queensland: Queensland on high alert as two women test positive for coronavirus after failing to self-isolate → https://is.gd/zmmaeJ | 04:47 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records nine deaths and 295 new cases as Queensland closes border to Sydney: Schools and aged care homes closed after two women who returned to Brisbane from Melbourne test positive. Almost 20% of aged care facilities in Victoria affected as crisis deepens. Follow live → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 05:07 |
ReGiStRaS | Any reliable and centralised source for real-time or latest news on the vaccine development? | 05:18 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US deaths near 150,000 as Italy extends state of emergency: Trump blames US case surge on protesters ; Pilgrims quarantined in Mecca as hajj begins ; WHO warns pandemic is “one big wave”, not seasonal . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 05:26 |
strike | Brainstorm essentially just posts news about covid-19, most of the stuff I've seen here has been actually reliable | 05:26 |
strike | Just like that ^ | 05:27 |
strike | Of course use your brain and read the articles and their sources | 05:27 |
LjL | and when i find something worthwhile (or someone points it out to me) i add it to https://covid19.specops.network/ | 05:36 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records nine deaths and 295 new cases as Queensland closes border to Sydney: Schools and aged care homes closed after two women who returned to Brisbane from Melbourne test positive. Almost 20% of aged care facilities in Victoria affected as crisis deepens. Follow live → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 05:36 |
LjL | aka the link in the topic | 05:36 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: 'One big wave' – why the Covid-19 second wave may not exist: With no evidence of seasonal variations, the WHO warns the initial coronavirus pandemic is continuing and accelerating → https://is.gd/Wl4bDS | 06:06 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Hong Kong hospitals face 'collapse' as outbreak grows → https://is.gd/zsov2O | 06:16 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records nine deaths and 295 new cases with 19 in NSW – latest news: Schools and aged care homes closed after two women who returned to Brisbane from Melbourne test positive. Almost 20% of aged care facilities in Victoria affected as crisis deepens. Follow live → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 06:26 |
PlanckWalk | I don't like the "wave" terminology anyway - it implies that number of infections is controlled by some external force that varies over time, instead of by actions of people. | 06:26 |
PlanckWalk | There might still be some external influence, but if so then it's negligible by comparison. | 06:28 |
ReGiStRaS | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8104195/Late-psychic-Sylvia-Brownes-eerily-prophetic-words-spark-claims-predicted-coronavirus.html | 06:58 |
PlanckWalk | It's the lead up to the arrival of the King in Yellow in 2030. | 07:05 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +18733 cases (now 17.0 million), +1147 deaths (now 664217) since 4 hours ago — Mexico: +7208 cases (now 402697), +854 deaths (now 44876) since a day ago — Kazakhstan: +1544 cases (now 86192) since 11 hours ago — US: +1303 cases (now 4.5 million), +51 deaths (now 152320) since 4 hours ago | 07:06 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Bogota, Colombia: +4551 cases (now 91408), +85 deaths (now 2392) since 23 hours ago — Bahia, Brazil: +4204 cases (now 153313), +43 deaths (now 3270) since 23 hours ago — Santa Catarina, Brazil: +3633 cases (now 73771), +36 deaths (now 960) since a day ago — Rio Grande do Norte, Brazil: +3386 cases (now 110721), +86 deaths (now 3394) since 23 hours ago | 07:21 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US deaths near 150,000 as Italy extends state of emergency: Trump blames US case surge on protesters ; Pilgrims quarantined in Mecca as hajj begins ; WHO warns pandemic is “one big wave”, not seasonal . Follow the latest updates → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 07:24 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Hong Kong hospitals face 'collapse' as outbreak grows → https://is.gd/zsov2O | 07:34 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Hong Kong faces large-scale outbreak that may lead to 'collapse' of hospital system, leader says → https://is.gd/7yi71U | 07:44 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records nine deaths and 295 new cases with 19 in NSW – latest news: Schools and aged care homes closed after two women who returned to Brisbane from Melbourne test positive. Almost 20% of aged care facilities in Victoria affected as crisis deepens. Follow live → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 07:54 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Hong Kong is 'on the verge' of an outbreak that could lead to hospital system's collapse, chief executive says → https://is.gd/Gz9uiR | 08:03 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Food waste: Food waste increases in UK as coronavirus restrictions ease → https://is.gd/RSMZ9f | 08:13 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Hong Kong is 'on the verge' of an outbreak that could lead to hospital system's collapse, chief executive says → https://is.gd/Gz9uiR | 08:23 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Trump sticks by discredited hydroxychloroquine: The president said the drug is only rejected as a Covid-19 treatment because he suggested it. → https://is.gd/ooPq7P | 08:32 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: COVID-19: China sees over 100 cases for 1st time in over 3 months amidst fear of second wave → https://is.gd/2e26s5 | 08:42 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records nine deaths and 295 new cases with 19 in NSW – latest news: Schools and aged care homes closed after two women who returned to Brisbane from Melbourne test positive. Almost 20% of aged care facilities in Victoria affected as crisis deepens. Follow live → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 08:52 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: COVID-19 is killing a Texan every 6 minutes, 16 seconds (10261 votes) | https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/07/28/covid-19-deaths-william-barr-miami-marlins-emmy-awards-tuesdays-news/5516607002/ | https://redd.it/hzs2cy | 09:00 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: arrivals in England could face new quarantine restrictions → https://is.gd/YHsoGO | 09:12 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Hong Kong on verge of 'large-scale' outbreak, says Carrie Lam → https://is.gd/zsov2O | 09:31 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records nine deaths and 295 new cases, with 19 in NSW – latest news → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 09:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how much longer it takes until german politicians realize they _have_to_ finally go next step of pandemic management which is "sorry guys, we tried how much we can step back from NPI measures, we overdone and now the inevitable rebound has to get established, we roll back relaxation and re-establish the following rules: [...]" | 10:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I hope for one rule getting re-established every week until R_eff falls below 1 again | 10:05 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US deaths near 150,000 as Hong Kong warns hospitals could collapse: Hong Kong outbreak ‘overwhelming’ medical system ; pilgrims quarantined in Mecca as hajj begins ; WHO warns pandemic is ‘one big wave’ → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 10:10 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Trump sticks by discredited hydroxychloroquine: The president said the drug had only been rejected as a Covid-19 treatment because he suggested it. → https://is.gd/ooPq7P | 10:30 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Bill Gates says delays in coronavirus test results make them a 'complete waste,' 'insane' → https://is.gd/dcIf0p | 10:40 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: People who wear face masks do not neglect other safety measures: Study → https://is.gd/uUFahM | 10:49 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +15006 cases (now 17.0 million), +334 deaths (now 664567) since 3 hours ago — Russia: +5475 cases (now 828990), +169 deaths (now 13673) since 23 hours ago — Bangladesh: +3009 cases (now 232194), +35 deaths (now 3035) since 23 hours ago — Indonesia: +2381 cases (now 104432), +74 deaths (now 4975) since 23 hours ago | 10:52 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Testing for Covid-19 on arrival in UK is no 'silver bullet', says minister → https://is.gd/CP93QW | 10:59 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: North Korea thinks he brought Covid-19. The South wanted to arrest him → https://is.gd/fJwcbV | 11:09 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: Coronavirus Australia live update: Victoria records nine deaths and 295 new cases, with 19 in NSW – latest news → https://is.gd/jvSwKj | 11:18 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: people should book holidays but 'be aware quarantine could be imposed', says minister → https://is.gd/YHsoGO | 11:38 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Hong Kong on verge of 'large-scale' outbreak, says Carrie Lam → https://is.gd/zsov2O | 11:48 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: people should book holidays but 'be aware quarantine could be imposed', says minister → https://is.gd/YHsoGO | 12:08 |
Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Social care was “thrown to the wolves” by government, say MPs: The social care system was let down badly and dangerously neglected by the government during the covid-19 pandemic, MPs on an influential committee have concluded.The sector was effectively “thrown... → https://is.gd/ViMDnY | 12:17 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US deaths near 150,000 as Hong Kong warns hospitals could collapse: Hong Kong outbreak ‘overwhelming’ medical system ; pilgrims quarantined in Mecca as hajj begins ; WHO warns pandemic is ‘one big wave’ → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 12:28 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +7195 cases (now 17.0 million), +278 deaths (now 664845) since an hour ago — Iran: +2636 cases (now 298909), +196 deaths (now 16343) since 20 hours ago — Switzerland: +193 cases (now 34802), +1 deaths (now 1979) since 20 hours ago — Philippines: +1813 cases (now 85486), +15 deaths (now 1962) since a day ago | 12:37 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: people should book holidays but 'be aware quarantine could be imposed', says minister → https://is.gd/YHsoGO | 12:37 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Japan reports 1,133 Coronavirus infections nationwide. Highest single day total. First time COVID-19 cases have been reported in all 47 prefectures. → https://is.gd/vby854 | 12:47 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: people should book holidays but 'be aware quarantine could be imposed', says minister → https://is.gd/YHsoGO | 12:57 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: EU signs remdesivir deal, Hong Kong leader warns of risk to health system → https://is.gd/7yi71U | 13:16 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: people should book holidays but 'be aware quarantine could be imposed', says minister → https://is.gd/YHsoGO | 13:26 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Boeing posts net loss of $2.4 billion and slows aircraft production amid coronavirus-weakened demand → https://is.gd/DK35GO | 13:36 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus outbreak: UK coronavirus live: people should book holidays but 'be aware quarantine could be imposed', says minister → https://is.gd/YHsoGO | 14:35 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Boeing slashes aircraft production plans, warns on new job cuts as coronavirus devastates travel → https://is.gd/DK35GO | 15:14 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +10756 cases (now 17.0 million), +161 deaths (now 665006) since 2 hours ago — India: +3564 cases (now 1.5 million), +33 deaths (now 34285) since 4 hours ago — Saudi Arabia: +1759 cases (now 272590), +27 deaths (now 2816) since 22 hours ago — US: +1627 cases (now 4.5 million), +45 deaths (now 152388) since 2 hours ago | 15:23 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT Plus: Pharmalittle: Global supply chain not ready for Covid-19 vaccines; Moderna may price its vaccine at up to $60: The industries that shepherd goods around the world acknowledge they are not ready to handle the challenges of shipping an eventual Covid-19 vaccine from drug makers to billions of people. → https://is.gd/2CaGqr | 15:23 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California, Florida, Texas report record-high average daily deaths → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 15:33 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Boeing slashes aircraft production plans, warns on new job cuts as coronavirus devastates travel → https://is.gd/DK35GO | 15:53 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Iraq: +2968 cases (now 118300), +68 deaths (now 4603) since 22 hours ago — World: +23300 cases (now 17.0 million), +269 deaths (now 665275) since 40 minutes ago — India: +19548 cases (now 1.6 million), +200 deaths (now 34485) since 40 minutes ago — Azerbaijan: +622 cases (now 31480) since 23 hours ago | 15:53 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California, Florida, Texas report record-high average daily deaths → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 16:02 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Patients with Community Acquired Pneumonia Exhibit Depleted Vitamin C Status and Elevated Oxidative Stress (80 votes) | https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0243/v1 | https://redd.it/hzilxn | 16:09 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: High prevalence of SARS‐CoV‐2 and influenza A virus (H1N1) co‐infection in dead patients in Northeastern Iran (94 votes) | https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/jmv.26364 | https://redd.it/hzxv98 | 16:21 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US deaths near 150,000 as Hong Kong warns hospitals could collapse: Hong Kong outbreak ‘overwhelming’ medical system ; pilgrims quarantined in Mecca as hajj begins ; WHO warns pandemic is ‘one big wave’ → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 16:22 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Webinar: Inside the virtual care boom: What happens when the point of care becomes anywhere?: The rapid shift to virtual care could bring clear benefits, but what are the potential side effects — and what will stick in a post-pandemic world? → https://is.gd/3Fw4hS | 16:32 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3018 cases (now 17.0 million), +59 deaths (now 665334) since 51 minutes ago — US: +963 cases (now 4.5 million), +21 deaths (now 152409) since 51 minutes ago — Maryland, US: +761 cases (now 86285), +20 deaths (now 3478) since a day ago — Germany: +388 cases (now 208339) since 16 hours ago | 16:38 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: concern about second wave 'very high' among NHS managers, MPs told: Chief executive of NHS Confederation tells MPs staff are ‘exhausted’ ; Oliver Dowden tells people to book holidays but be prepared to quarantine → https://is.gd/YHsoGO | 16:41 |
xrogaan | Well, this sucks: https://www.gla.ac.uk/news/headline_732781_en.html | 16:46 |
xrogaan | %title | 16:46 |
Brainstorm | xrogaan: From www.gla.ac.uk: University of Glasgow - University news - Researchers identify evolutionary origins of SARS-CoV-2 | 16:46 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Boeing slashes aircraft production plans, warns on new job cuts as coronavirus devastates travel → https://is.gd/DK35GO | 16:51 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: concern about second wave 'very high' among NHS managers, MPs told: Chief executive of NHS Confederation tells MPs staff are ‘exhausted’ ; Oliver Dowden tells people to book holidays but be prepared to quarantine → https://is.gd/YHsoGO | 17:11 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Trump sticks by unproven hydroxychloroquine: The president said the drug had only been rejected as a Covid-19 treatment because he suggested it. → https://is.gd/ooPq7P | 17:21 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +11278 cases (now 17.0 million), +224 deaths (now 665558) since 48 minutes ago — US: +10738 cases (now 4.5 million), +219 deaths (now 152628) since 50 minutes ago — Florida, US: +9446 cases (now 451423), +216 deaths (now 6335) since 23 hours ago — Dominican Rep.: +1492 cases (now 66182), +22 deaths (now 1123) since 16 hours ago | 17:23 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says he still thinks hydroxychloroquine works in treating early stage coronavirus → https://is.gd/kjgKQn | 17:31 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California, Florida, Texas report record-high average daily deaths → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 17:41 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Madrid officials backtrack after outrage over plans for 'immunity cards': Spanish authorities had planned ‘immunity card’ for people who had tested positive for coronavirus; Hong Kong outbreak ‘overwhelming’ medical system ; pilgrims quarantined in Mecca as hajj begins → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 18:00 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: US sees deadliest day of summer in coronavirus outbreak – live: More than 1,300 lives lost from coronavirus in the US yesterday Virus takes heavy toll in south Texas Portland protesters unleash fury over BLM, Covid-19 and economy Hateful incidents against Americans of color surge Sign up to our First Thing newsletter 5.00pm BST → https://is.gd/8usBtv | 18:10 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Boeing slashes aircraft production plans, warns on new job cuts as coronavirus devastates travel → https://is.gd/DK35GO | 18:40 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +55033 cases (now 17.1 million), +1062 deaths (now 666620) since an hour ago — India: +24134 cases (now 1.6 million), +510 deaths (now 34995) since 3 hours ago — Brazil: +14019 cases (now 2.5 million), +158 deaths (now 88792) since 16 hours ago — US: +8195 cases (now 4.5 million), +143 deaths (now 152771) since an hour ago | 18:53 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California, Florida, Texas report record-high average daily deaths → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 18:59 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: UK coronavirus live: concern about second wave 'very high' in NHS; death toll rises by 83: Chief executive of NHS Confederation tells MPs staff are ‘exhausted’ ; UK’s seven-day average death toll continues to rise; Oliver Dowden tells holidaymakers to be prepared to quarantine → https://is.gd/YHsoGO | 19:09 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California, Florida, Texas report record-high average daily deaths → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 19:19 |
Brainstorm | Updates for Morocco: +826 cases (now 22213), +7 deaths (now 334) since 23 hours ago — World: +6561 cases (now 17.1 million), +123 deaths (now 666743) since 34 minutes ago — Spain: +2031 cases (now 329721), +5 deaths (now 28441) since a day ago — US: +1880 cases (now 4.5 million), +82 deaths (now 152853) since 34 minutes ago | 19:23 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 'I don't wish this on anyone:' Young single mother of three dies from COVID-19 (10297 votes) | http://cbs12.com/news/local/i-dont-wish-this-on-anyone-young-single-mother-of-three-dies-from-covid-19 | https://redd.it/i000sh | 19:28 |
Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: (news): PRESIDENZA DEL CONSIGLIO DEI MINISTRI - IL COMMISSARIO STRAORDINARIO PER L'ATTUAZIONE E IL COORDINAMENTO DELLE MISURE DI CONTENIMENTO E CONTRASTO DELL'EMERGENZA EPIDEMIOLOGICA COVID-19 - ORDINANZA 28 luglio 2020 → https://is.gd/lJEPxz | 19:29 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2-reactive T cells in healthy donors and patients with COVID-19 (81 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2598-9 | https://redd.it/i010wy | 19:46 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: California, Florida, Texas report record-high average daily deaths → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 19:48 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: Madrid officials backtrack after outrage over plans for 'immunity cards': Spanish authorities had planned ‘immunity card’ for people who had tested positive for coronavirus; Hong Kong outbreak ‘overwhelming’ medical system ; pilgrims quarantined in Mecca as hajj begins → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 19:58 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Dr. Fauci says kids over 9 years old can transmit the coronavirus as well as adults as some schools reopen: White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci warned parents sending kids back to school that children over 9 years old can spread the coronavirus as well as adults. → https://is.gd/ltKz3G | 20:08 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Grant Shapps apologises for frustration caused by Covid-19 restrictions on Spain – video: Grant Shapps returned to the UK on Wednesday after curtailing his holiday in Spain to deal with the fallout from the government's decision to impose quarantine restrictions on travellers arriving from the country. The transport secretary [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/KQZZ6p | 20:28 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: GOP and Dems 'far apart' on relief; Fauci warns kids can spread disease → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 20:37 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Yale to lead trial of potential COVID-19 treatment (82 votes) | https://news.yale.edu/2020/07/27/yale-lead-trial-potential-covid-19-treatment | https://redd.it/i0191t | 20:47 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: France reports highest daily increase in cases in more than a month: French authorities report 1,392 new cases ; Hong Kong outbreak ‘overwhelming’ medical system ; pilgrims quarantined in Mecca as hajj begins → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 20:57 |
LjL | that's not the hightest increase in cases in month according to offloop... | 21:01 |
LjL | 2331 on july 27, 1961 on july 20, 1388 on july 13 | 21:01 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: GOP and Dems 'far apart' on relief; Fauci warns kids can spread disease → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 21:07 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: US sees deadliest day of summer in coronavirus outbreak – live: More than 1,300 lives lost from coronavirus in the US yesterday Trump: suburbs won’t be ‘bothered’ by low-income housing Live updates: tech bosses face grilling from Congress US Rep tests positive, prompting Barr to get tested Federal ‘occupying force’ to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8usBtv | 21:26 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: GOP and Dems 'far apart' on relief; Fauci warns kids can spread disease → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 21:36 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +19330 cases (now 17.1 million), +373 deaths (now 667116) since 2 hours ago — US: +17017 cases (now 4.5 million), +290 deaths (now 153143) since 2 hours ago — Georgia (US), US: +3271 cases (now 178323), +79 deaths (now 3642) since a day ago — Tennessee, US: +1778 cases (now 100822), +21 deaths (now 1020) since 9 hours ago | 21:54 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: France reports highest daily increase in cases in more than a month: French authorities report 1,392 new cases ; Hong Kong outbreak ‘overwhelming’ medical system ; pilgrims quarantined in Mecca as hajj begins → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 22:05 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. death toll tops 150,000 as hard-hit states reach record-high average deaths → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 22:25 |
disillusion | hey everyone is it time to panic over the heart problems caused by the virus, especially since the best news thus far is that immunity only lasts a few months? How are people going to survive 2 heart attacks per year? | 22:32 |
LjL | disillusion, panic certainly doesn't help with heart attacks | 22:32 |
LjL | also i wouldn't say that's the "best news", we really don't know how long immunity lasts | 22:33 |
LjL | there are also degrees of immunity | 22:33 |
kihomi | why are people in general so confident of a working vaccine emerging in the following year or two? there are plenty of viral conditions that don't have a vaccine | 22:33 |
disillusion | the capitalists aren't understanding that while people can overcome just one heart-attack-like event, they can't overcome it happening twice per year for the rest of their lives as they get the virus over and over again. | 22:33 |
LjL | we have an idea how long *antibodies* last but that's not the whole picture | 22:33 |
disillusion | kihomi, the stock markets go up and down based on hopes for a vaccine | 22:34 |
LjL | kihomi, vaccines tested so far seem safe and effective, within the degree of certainty early trials can have | 22:34 |
LjL | also i think it's safe to say there's never been so much effort spent on a single vaccine | 22:34 |
LjL | (i mean, not a single vaccine, but a vaccine for one disease) | 22:34 |
LjL | there is no certainty that a vaccine will provide lasting immunity, though, and this is often noted | 22:35 |
Arsanerit | there are reportedly 218 vaccine candidates in development, hopefully some of those will work | 22:42 |
Arsanerit | of course it's not certain, but probably most if not all of those teams have smart and experienced people working on them | 22:43 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: US passes 150,000 coronavirus deaths amid surge in cases – live: Full story: US passes 150,000 coronavirus deaths More than 1,300 lives lost from coronavirus in the US yesterday Trump: suburbs won’t be ‘bothered’ by low-income housing Live updates: tech bosses face grilling from Congress US Rep tests positive, prompting [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8usBtv | 22:44 |
tinwhiskers | to be fair people can handle two heart attacks per year *for the rest of their lives* - that just won't be very long :-/ | 22:45 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, light a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. | 22:45 |
disillusion | the rise in strokes can be explained by a notorious form of heart arrhythmia called "atrial fibrillation". This is when the 2 parts of the heart are out of sync, and a swirl forms in the middle, which then clots, then moves to the brain. | 22:45 |
tinwhiskers | :-p | 22:45 |
disillusion | the recent sports news in the U.S. is mentioning athletes with heart arrhythmias | 22:47 |
tinwhiskers | best thing to do is minimise the risk of getting infected. social distancing, wear a freakin' mask and encourage your politicians to manage the disease in a sane way (by electing new politicians if necessary) | 22:47 |
disillusion | and these athletes are people who are in great shape. What about people who are out of shape? This can gradually turn into a larger and larger societal problem. | 22:48 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, elections are scary. voters will be mostly people not wise enough to stay home instead of going to a crowded place like the polling booths ;( | 22:48 |
tinwhiskers | considering how good progress is looking on a vaccine (even if you need a booster every 6 months until we have a better one) hunkering down and avoiding getting the disease is the best thing to do. | 22:48 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: err. true | 22:48 |
disillusion | tinwhiskers, the only hope I can see from a situation with no vaccine is that we get a booster every 6 months or so, and that only getting a virus a few times in life won't be too serious. | 22:49 |
tinwhiskers | I don't see how you can get a booster if there is no vaccine | 22:50 |
LjL | disillusion, by "booster" he meant a vaccine booster | 22:50 |
disillusion | if that becomes the situation, whoever produces the booster is going to get very rich | 22:50 |
disillusion | well, whatever we get injected with which reduces the likelihood of getting infected with the virus | 22:50 |
LjL | disillusion, a vaccine is a vaccine even if it doesn't protect you for life. a "booster dose" is just a second dose given because it's known to improve the immune response, or to keep it up | 22:51 |
tinwhiskers | o.O | 22:51 |
tinwhiskers | including bleach? | 22:51 |
tinwhiskers | oh. sorry, I misread | 22:52 |
disillusion | what's it called when something is injected into people which gives them immunity for a few months? | 22:53 |
LjL | a vaccine | 22:53 |
tinwhiskers | a vaccine? | 22:53 |
tinwhiskers | prophylactic | 22:53 |
CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Blood type and outcomes in patients with COVID-19 (81 votes) | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7354354/ | https://redd.it/i01log | 22:53 |
disillusion | but if people's antibodies for this virus go away after a few months, is it still called a vaccine if we have to get it every 6 months? | 22:53 |
tinwhiskers | yes, we could be getting monoclonal antibody injections, for example | 22:54 |
Arsanerit | if you follow Trumps advice by injecting disinfectant you might be immune for the rest of your life | 22:54 |
tinwhiskers | yes, it's still called a vaccine even if it's short lived. | 22:54 |
tinwhiskers | Arsanerit: heh | 22:54 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. death toll tops 150,000 as hard-hit states reach record-high average deaths → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 22:54 |
tinwhiskers | although I don't think monoclonal antibodies last as long as even 6 months. | 22:55 |
disillusion | oh I thought "vaccine" was a one-time thing, or something only needed a few times in one's life. | 22:55 |
LjL | well "a few times" is variable | 22:55 |
tinwhiskers | they vary in how long they last. If they cause your body to have an antibody reaction upon encountering the real disease they are a vaccine. | 22:56 |
disillusion | I haven't had shots in I don't know how long, plus haven't had any serious health issues, so I'm really not familiar with the terminology. | 22:56 |
disillusion | kids get shots, pets get shots, old people get shots. I haven't had to worry about that stuff myself. | 22:57 |
tinwhiskers | the first vaccines may not last long (but probably will) however if they don't last very long the later ones will probably be found that last longer. | 22:57 |
tinwhiskers | err, s/found/produced/ | 22:57 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, just don't inject me with adenovirus until you're sure you've got a *good* adenovirus vaccine ;( | 22:57 |
tinwhiskers | agreed | 22:57 |
tinwhiskers | that doesn't seem like a good long-term vaccine approach | 22:58 |
LjL | i predict mandatory vaccination, and with which vaccine, will become a hot issue | 22:58 |
LjL | mark my words for when this happen | 22:58 |
tinwhiskers | noted, and agreed | 22:58 |
tinwhiskers | some countries will do mandatory vaccines. | 22:59 |
disillusion | but what about the probability of the virus adapting? If we have to get at least 2 shots per year, and just about all of humanity has to do this, doesn't this indicate a situation which is conducing to an evolutionary arms race? | 22:59 |
disillusion | *conducive to an evolutionary arms race | 22:59 |
tinwhiskers | yes, it'll change over time and new vaccines will be required. | 23:00 |
disillusion | will governments will allowed to prevent political enemies from getting the vaccine? | 23:00 |
tinwhiskers | just like with the flu, but slower (for now) | 23:00 |
tinwhiskers | err... not in any sane country | 23:01 |
disillusion | or will it be considered a human right to get a few shots per year for all human beings? | 23:01 |
tinwhiskers | even the largely insane countries wouldn't do that | 23:01 |
disillusion | well, we don't provide food to all people. So why should be provide a vaccine? | 23:01 |
tinwhiskers | because vaccines protect ourselves as well... herd immunity. | 23:02 |
disillusion | after all, without food, people will definitely die. But without a vaccine, there's a good probability that people will stay alive. | 23:02 |
tinwhiskers | you want your enemies vaccinated as well if you live anywhere near them | 23:02 |
LjL | i think it will be very likely that *at first*, before enough vaccine doses have been produced, countries producing them will prioritize their citizens regardless of other factors | 23:02 |
disillusion | if we all get immune for the first month after the virus, it makes sense to vaccinate your side and then siege and infect your enemies for a month. | 23:02 |
tinwhiskers | I guess that's possible in some of the more extreme countries | 23:03 |
disillusion | why worry about others being infected if you're adapted for a few months after the vaccine? | 23:03 |
tinwhiskers | in most countries the populations on either side of the political divide are not physically separated but, yeah there are some places where that could happen. | 23:04 |
disillusion | this all sounds like it could become a real-world dystopian situation if we're all dependent on a vaccine injection every few months | 23:04 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: US passes 150,000 coronavirus deaths amid surge in cases – live: Full story: US passes 150,000 coronavirus deaths More than 1,300 lives lost from coronavirus in the US yesterday Trump: suburbs won’t be ‘bothered’ by low-income housing Live updates: tech bosses face grilling from Congress US Rep tests positive, prompting [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8usBtv | 23:04 |
LjL | if a country develops a vaccine, uses it on its whole population, and then doesn't provide it to anybody else, i suspect that country would be militarily attacked by... the rest of the world at once? | 23:05 |
disillusion | if you just let a population get infected over say a 2 year period, a large percentage of them will have weakened hearts. They won't be able to rebel as effectively. This has tactical significance. | 23:05 |
tinwhiskers | I could imagine the Chinese not providing the vaccine to some of their undesirables. | 23:06 |
disillusion | it's possible to control which populations get weakened over time and which stay healthy. | 23:06 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, but then that would be only marginally worse than what they already do to said populations | 23:06 |
disillusion | this can also be done with starvation, but with a virus, it's rolling the dice so the planners can say they're not really in control of it, and thus, not responsible. | 23:07 |
tinwhiskers | In Iraq maybe something like that could happen with Sunni/Shiite. | 23:07 |
tinwhiskers | LjL: yeah :-) | 23:07 |
disillusion | "it's in God's hands" | 23:08 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, but what about... limited supply, and prioritization based on social credit score? | 23:08 |
LjL | i bet all Chinese would stop trying to type "Taiwan" into TikTok very quickly | 23:08 |
tinwhiskers | yeah... true | 23:08 |
disillusion | actually, reports from Pakistan are that no one's admitting a family member dies of the virus because they believe only bad people get sick from it. | 23:08 |
LjL | because they saw Johnson and Bolsonaro got it? | 23:09 |
Brainstorm | Updates for World: +21239 cases (now 17.2 million), +381 deaths (now 667497) since an hour ago — South Africa: +11362 cases (now 471123), +240 deaths (now 7497) since a day ago — US: +8506 cases (now 4.5 million), +97 deaths (now 153240) since an hour ago — California, US: +3979 cases (now 479284), +6 deaths (now 8730) since an hour ago | 23:09 |
tinwhiskers | how different countries go about prioritisation will be interesting. It's plausiable trump could favour republican states | 23:09 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, i hereby expand my previous prediction to a wider "it will be a huge fucking mess" | 23:10 |
disillusion | should we all rebel until laws are made which hold leaders responsible for the damage that people receive from the virus? | 23:10 |
tinwhiskers | ok yeah. It could be said fucking mess. | 23:10 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, even if there isn't prioritization like that, it will be alleged, and people will get mad. add to that the people who, conversely, don't *want* to get the vaccine... | 23:11 |
tinwhiskers | mmm | 23:11 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, you just renew your visa you | 23:11 |
tinwhiskers | s? | 23:12 |
tinwhiskers | err... | 23:12 |
tinwhiskers | what? | 23:12 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, it was an invitation to keep renewing your visa | 23:12 |
LjL | as the best course of action | 23:12 |
tinwhiskers | I renewed my visa about 1 month ago and I'm still waiting for it to be approved... Oh ohhh | 23:13 |
LjL | :( | 23:13 |
tinwhiskers | I'm actually an illegal overstayer right now | 23:13 |
tinwhiskers | only technically though since they have suspended approvals until they sort out a very minor payment issue | 23:14 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: Coronavirus live news: US coronavirus deaths top 150,000 as France sees surge in cases: American deaths pass grim milestone; French authorities report 1,392 new cases ; Hong Kong outbreak ‘overwhelming’ medical system → https://is.gd/My0Sm7 | 23:14 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, hmm some countries in Europe have not only suspended approvals but explicitly extended prior visas | 23:14 |
tinwhiskers | they are not doing renewals until cabinet decides whether they should be provided for free or not. Even if people are happy to pay they won't do them... because they are still waiting to see. d'oh. | 23:15 |
LjL | we have, at least in some cases, i don't know the details | 23:15 |
LjL | tinwhiskers, then they will debate whether you should pay in dollars or renminbi | 23:15 |
tinwhiskers | they are not very pragmatic here | 23:16 |
tinwhiskers | I don't need to wait to find out if it will be free. I'm perfectly happy to pay. take my money. | 23:16 |
tinwhiskers | anyway, it seems prudent to me that countries should be preparing to make bioreactors and other vaccine production equipment because that would dramatically speed up rollout. I assume mRNA vaccines use a bioreactor for production? (as do many other types) | 23:19 |
tinwhiskers | All you need is a few doses to start a second batch going in another country. | 23:20 |
LjL | i don't know, but is a generic "bioreactor" something you can build generically even if you only learn what you'll be bioreacting in it later? | 23:20 |
tinwhiskers | The hard work is in creating the vaccine, not producing it. | 23:20 |
tinwhiskers | the bioreactors we had at work were very elaborate and you could control a vast array of things about them - pretty much all environmental conditions, gases in and out, timed chemical additions, etc. I don't imagine there is much more you would need than what most sophisticated bioreactors already do. | 23:22 |
tinwhiskers | but they would need to be *much* larger than the ones we had. | 23:22 |
tinwhiskers | or lots and lots of them I guess | 23:24 |
nixonix | different vaccines need different manufacturing equipment. maybe some of them could be converted though. and when there are facilities producing flu vaccines, those could be used some type of sars-2 vaccines, but not most (and they would be available part of year anyway) | 23:26 |
tinwhiskers | “Our facilities in Portsmouth will begin preparing clean rooms immediately,” Karen Fallen, head of mammalian and microbial manufacturing, Lonza, told us. “These will be ready for tech transfer in June 2020. There is no major construction required, these are existing suites.” | 23:26 |
tinwhiskers | RE mRNA production | 23:27 |
nixonix | yeah they have clean rooms, but another thech needs to be installed. and got the license and tech from the manufacturer (like russians claimed they have already got oxford/AZ tech to start production there) | 23:28 |
tinwhiskers | I don't think the production on mRNA is particularly difficult although there will be some specialist knowledge, but the technology to do so is not different from what we already have at small scale for other work. | 23:29 |
tinwhiskers | but, yes, that's different from flu vaccines | 23:30 |
nixonix | https://twitter.com/florian_krammer/status/1287831896358100992 | 23:31 |
nixonix | %title | 23:31 |
Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: error parsing title ('NoneType' object has no attribute 'string') | 23:31 |
nixonix | florian krammer tweet: My chairman and collaborator Peter Palese (not on Twitter) has just posted a paper on a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine candidate on bioRxiv that can be produced using the existing influenza virus vaccine production infrastructure. Funding/partners still needed. | 23:32 |
tinwhiskers | cool | 23:32 |
nixonix | so it depends, if the existing facilities can be used, and what changes or tech installed needed. that one would be particularly easy case (if the trials show its efficient too) | 23:33 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. death toll tops 150,000 as hard-hit states reach record-high average deaths → https://is.gd/KNkwqw | 23:34 |
tinwhiskers | yeah. Bioreactors can be used for the production of several classes of vaccine and treatments like monoclonal antibodies. It seems prudent to me that countries should be at least getting to the planning stage of building facilities before they might be needed. | 23:35 |
nixonix | mrna could be the hardest case because its instability and cooling requirements. but then theres some new tech that makes it more stabile in higher temperatures. i think not yet used in current moderna vaccine, but maybe they can use it before starting the production | 23:35 |
tinwhiskers | You can bet that if the vaccine is produced in the US (or frankly anywhere) the US will try to monopolise the supply. | 23:35 |
disillusion | the markets will decide who stays healthy and who becomes gradually weakened over time | 23:38 |
tinwhiskers | it will decide who gets it first | 23:39 |
drytrumpet2 | what about russia? https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/28/europe/russia-coronavirus-vaccine-approval-intl/index.html | 23:40 |
disillusion | I don't know what to believe from the Russians | 23:41 |
disillusion | it could just be a ploy to get investment early and run a worldwide black market | 23:41 |
disillusion | rich people are panicking and fleeing the cities. There's probably already a lucrative black market funded by desperate rich people. | 23:42 |
tinwhiskers | Oh, yeah, that's an adenovirus-based vaccine. | 23:42 |
tinwhiskers | the problem there is some people are immune to the vaccine due to previous exposure to similar adenoviruses and after getting this vaccine can become immune to using the same vaccine again. | 23:43 |
tinwhiskers | how that comes out in the wash compared to other vaccines is unknown of course | 23:43 |
Brainstorm | New from The Guardian: US passes 150,000 coronavirus deaths amid surge in cases – live: Full story: US passes 150,000 coronavirus deaths More than 1,300 lives lost from coronavirus in the US yesterday Trump: suburbs won’t be ‘bothered’ by low-income housing Live updates: tech bosses face grilling from Congress US Rep tests positive, prompting [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8usBtv | 23:43 |
disillusion | I like this part of the article: "despite concerns about its safety, effectiveness and over whether the country has cut essential corners in development". That's so typical Russian. | 23:43 |
tinwhiskers | I read elsewhere that the elite in Russia are already getting that vaccine too (in addition to the army). | 23:45 |
tinwhiskers | so I guess it can't be too unsafe. | 23:45 |
disillusion | I've already mentioned that I think rich people are desperate and panicking. Elites in every society always discard expert opinion and just act on whatever they feel like. There's a conflict-of-interest among vaccine developers who have an incentive to just give rich people what they irrationally want and are willing to pay lots of money for. | 23:46 |
nixonix | i dont think they really are taking it themselves, or especially their families. they just try to make population wait for it anxiously | 23:47 |
disillusion | Unless the Russians have secret information, they're just gambling. | 23:48 |
nixonix | but some of them may, who knows. not their families though | 23:48 |
nixonix | chinese approved another human adenovirus vaccine (i think) already for military use | 23:49 |
nixonix | yeah, it was that cansino. russian was Ad5 vector, wasnt it, and cansino? | 23:50 |
disillusion | the expert view in February was that it takes 18 months to get a vaccine out to the general public. That means August 2021. Are wealthy elites patient enough to wait that long? I don't think so, which explains all this talk of early vaccine releases. I won't trust them until they're proven. | 23:52 |
tinwhiskers | sinopharm? Sinovac? | 23:52 |
nixonix | Cansino was Ad5. "Gamaleya Research Institute: Those previous entries are a good lead-up to this one, because the Russian GRI vaccine is a mixture of Ad5 and Ad26 vectors." | 23:52 |
tinwhiskers | Oh, right. yeah. CanSino. They are only in Phase II trials. | 23:53 |
nixonix | https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma-asia/china-s-sinopharm-touts-100-antibody-response-for-covid-19-vaccine-it-s-already-giving | 23:53 |
nixonix | %title | 23:53 |
Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.fiercepharma.com: China's Sinopharm touts 100% antibody response for COVID-19 vaccine it's already giving to workers | FiercePharma | 23:53 |
Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says U.S. is sending Texas 500 cases of remdesivir as coronavirus deaths hit record → https://is.gd/yqOVie | 23:53 |
nixonix | worker approved | 23:53 |
tinwhiskers | "In an unprecedented move, the Chinese military approved the vaccine on June 25 for a year as a “specially needed drug.” CanSino would not say whether vaccination would be mandatory or optional for soldiers" | 23:53 |
Artysto | What do you guys think about serosurveys? Can we base our policies based on them? To my mind that seems like an absolute yes but I don't know why its so controversial then. | 23:56 |
drytrumpet2 | Biocad from russia wants to produce a vcv vaccine in China, says: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine/biocad-discussing-potential-covid-19-vaccine-production-in-china-idUSKCN24S1VS | 23:56 |
tinwhiskers | Artysto: mostly because they've proved horribly unreliable | 23:57 |
Artysto | For example, https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/national/sero-survey-in-mumbai-shows-57-respondents-in-slums-16-in-residential-areas-were-exposed-to-covid-19/article32218606.ece this study shows about 40% of Mumbaikars have gotten the virus in recent months does that mean virus is not that deadly and that we could reach herd immunity? | 23:58 |
nixonix | its a huge topic, we have discussed months. maybe LjL is willing to give a summary of those discussions? ;) | 23:58 |
tinwhiskers | Artysto: the problem is they get quite a lot of false positives due to antibodies for similar coronaviruses so people who have merely had a cold may be incorrectly showing as having had Sars-Cov-2. | 23:59 |
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