libera/##covid-19/ Tuesday, 2020-08-18

BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. averaging over 50,000 cases a day; UNC-Chapel Hill pivots to remote learning β†’ https://is.gd/Bh8GN800:07
IndoAnonbin_bash: it's a copy&paste. .. sorry00:35
bin_bashweird00:35
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: UNC abruptly halts in-person classes after coronavirus outbreak on campus: "As of this morning, we have tested 954 students and have 177 in isolation and 349 in quarantine, both on and off campus," the university said. β†’ https://is.gd/STUiYE00:36
genevinobin_bash: 00:36:14 freenode β€’ CTCP reply from IndoAnon: VERSION Revolution IRC:0.5.2:Android  <-  some irc clients simply won't strip colour codes when pasting something, i guess.00:36
bin_bashgenevino: well it's kinda weird that an article wouldhave irc color codes00:37
genevinobin_bash: i didn't paste that into vim to see what actual text was behind it (and it was bright yellow on bright cyan), but now that you say it, yes.00:38
IndoAnongenevino: On my side, I'm seeing black font on cyan color00:40
bin_bashyeah i can't even copy it with the color codes00:40
bin_bashit's white inside cyan and hurts my eyes00:40
IndoAnonkek00:40
IndoAnonGod, what've I done00:41
genevinobin_bash: well there's the channel mode +c on freenode which (according to some staff on #freenode) forbids users from writing text that has colour codes in it.00:42
bin_bashgenevino: yes i'm very familiar00:42
bin_bashlol00:42
de-factoπŸ‹00:42
de-facto:)00:42
genevinoIndoAnon: i'm not trying to blame you in any way or something, just interested in the technical thing in behind. :D00:42
bin_bashbut i'm saying that the color codes arent something i can just copy from my terminal client so i cant see how it looks elsewhere00:42
genevinoah :D00:43
genevinoIndoAnon: sorry if that seemed a bit offending to you, wasn't mean like that in any way!00:44
genevinoi mean we all just try to get our clients somewhat right so that other people feel comfortable when chatting with us, right? ;)00:45
IndoAnongenevino: nothing was taken... it's funny because i think someone had complained about my color-pasting too00:45
IndoAnonyeah00:45
genevinobut yeah there's this channel mode +c on freenode (which isn't active here) - i'm NOT sure if it's a good idea to set that either, just found that out so i thought i might share. :)00:46
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Pulmonary cavitation; an under-recognized late complication of severe COVID-19 lung disease (81 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.15.20175869v1 | https://redd.it/ibdjqf01:02
de-factomaybe the bots use it for bold and and such?01:02
genevinolooks so, at least the /r/ prefix is red.01:04
LjLi don't care about the /r/ prefix, but yes i do want the bots to be able to do bold and italic, which +c prevents01:06
LjLthere is another way to mostly avoid colors in a channel, which is to kick out users who use colors. simple mistakes will however be exempted, thank me later01:06
genevinolol :)01:08
de-factoyeah it does not seem to be a problem, we were just talking about it from a curious technical perspective as it obviously was unintentional01:10
de-factoand the bots texts indeed are better readable with bold and italic imho01:10
genevinoid'01:15
LjLi'm glad i've removed Guardian, now the channel is not a machine gun of mildly uninteresting headlines that don't correspond to the articles when you click them01:15
genevinoi'd say with the provided data at hand it's valid to extrapolate and state that the use of colours on irc brings humans together.01:15
LjLso does COVID01:15
LjL(haha jk it doesn't)01:15
genevinoin a strange way it does i guess01:15
genevinoi can't believe how long a pandemic takes. maybe i'm just not experienced enough with pandemics, but when it came along in march i was like "yeah, couple of weeks and we're through this." lolnope.01:17
pyna93% of humans have being dead in common, so every little bit helps, i guess01:18
snakeany personal preventative measures or remedies against coronavirus and/or covid-19?01:39
snakemy therapist seemed a bit bored at my last appointment because i can't complain about not having friends if i can't go out and i can't go out until the pandemic has some solution like a vaccine01:40
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: UNC-Chapel Hill makes all undergrad classes remote after 135 COVID cases in first week β†’ https://is.gd/JtWXJx01:53
BrainstormUpdates for World: +91648 cases (now 22.1 million) since 5 hours ago β€” US: +27997 cases (now 5.6 million), +322 deaths (now 173661) since 5 hours ago β€” Spain: +23299 cases (now 382142), +29 deaths (now 28646) since 3 days ago β€” Brazil: +19310 cases (now 3.4 million), +600 deaths (now 108654) since 7 hours ago01:54
BrainstormUpdates for Fr. Polynesia: +48 cases (now 214) since 2 days ago β€” Guam: +42 cases (now 558) since 23 hours ago β€” St. Martin: +12 cases (now 121), +1 deaths (now 5) since 2 days ago β€” World: +589 cases (now 22.1 million), +28 deaths (now 777811) since 37 minutes ago02:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. averaging over 50,000 cases a day; UNC-Chapel Hill pivots to remote learning β†’ https://is.gd/Bh8GN802:41
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Trump calls out New Zealand’s 'terrible' Covid surge, on day it records nine new cases β†’ https://is.gd/lkzDDR03:00
LjLtinwhiskers, ↑ lol (Trump, not the earthquake)03:07
tinwhiskersheh03:07
LjLtinwhiskers, btw would you like to be informed about major or moderate quakes in NZ too?03:07
tinwhiskersnah03:08
tinwhiskersthanks03:08
LjLok03:08
LjLall the subreddits reject my bot's posts ;'(03:08
LjLi have agreement with them03:08
LjLand yet there's always something that makes their automoderator kill them03:08
LjLin r/greece, the first time, it was that i used unicode icons03:08
LjLthen i added a flag to remove them, but now, it's that i failed to set a flair, and apparently a flair is now required for all posts03:09
LjLin r/philippines they don't like that i use a url shortener03:09
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: For some COVID-19 survivors, serious problems continue long after the infection is gone β†’ https://is.gd/nDtxao03:10
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Exclusive: Walgreens Pharmacy coding error results in under-reporting of 59,000 COVID-19 test results statewide (10699 votes) | https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/the-texas-department-of-state-health-services-told-3news-that-walgreens-pharmacy-reported-experiencing-a-coding-error-which-they-have-now-corrected/503-ff7a0eb5-9ce9-4127-82a6-8120175a0d67 | https://redd.it/ibmiso03:15
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Hyperbaric oxygen therapy for COVID-19 patients with respiratory distress: treated cases versus propensity-matched controls (80 votes) | https://www.uhms.org/publications/uhm-journal/uhm-journal-ahead-of-print-public/hyperbaric-oxygen-therapy-for-covid-19-patients-with-respiratory-distress-treated-cases-versus-propensity-matched-controls-2/download.html | https://redd.it/ibfyyg03:28
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Student Loans delayed for COVID-19 will be due again starting September 30th, before the Government transitions all loan servicer profiles into a new database service β†’ https://is.gd/cegDgj03:39
BrainstormUpdates for World: +6320 cases (now 22.1 million), +365 deaths (now 778176) since an hour ago β€” Mexico: +3571 cases (now 525733), +266 deaths (now 57023) since 20 hours ago β€” US: +1154 cases (now 5.6 million), +29 deaths (now 173716) since an hour ago β€” Bolivia: +879 cases (now 101223), +65 deaths (now 4123) since 20 hours ago03:55
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Birx says data collected from hospitals during coronavirus pandemic has been "extraordinarily important" β†’ https://is.gd/pXFrLs03:58
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: American teacher in Thailand: 'An attitude of unity' with masks helps schools return amid COVID-19 β†’ https://is.gd/xin0I904:08
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 'Unprecedented': Los Angeles schools to test all 600,000 students for Covid-19 | Nation’s second-largest school district says it will provide regular Covid-19 testing and contact tracing for students, staff and families β†’ https://is.gd/VUkcyP04:17
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Trump calls out New Zealand’s 'terrible' Covid surge, on day it records nine new cases β†’ https://is.gd/cqCgnp04:27
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. averaging over 50,000 cases a day; Singapore announces more stimulus β†’ https://is.gd/Bh8GN805:15
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Why UNC-Chapel Hill’s student newspaper summed up the school’s coronavirus policy with an f-bomb β†’ https://is.gd/xtEzEB05:35
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Global daily cases dip below 200k for the first time since July 13th β†’ https://is.gd/FFeFYY05:54
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: WHO says people in 20s, 30s, 40s increasingly driving pandemic β†’ https://is.gd/no1HjT06:04
BrainstormUpdates for World: +8145 cases (now 22.1 million), +246 deaths (now 778422) since 2 hours ago β€” Peru: +5547 cases (now 541493), +200 deaths (now 26481) since a day ago β€” Venezuela: +1047 cases (now 34802), +7 deaths (now 288) since a day ago β€” Honduras: +493 cases (now 50995), +8 deaths (now 1583) since 23 hours ago06:23
BrainstormNew from EurekAlert!: Research brief: Bee neighborly -- sharing bees helps more farmers: New paper shows the benefits of cost-sharing the conservation of wild bee habitats on agricultural lands, especially in nearby farming communities, can help overcome the tragedy of the commons. β†’ https://is.gd/4npsxq06:23
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Chile Shuts Down Street Vendors' Mall After COVID-19 Lockdown Easing Brings Crowds β†’ https://is.gd/Vqc23Y06:33
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Robust, reproducible clinical patterns in hospitalised patients with COVID-19 (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.08.14.20168088v1 | https://redd.it/ib2f7i06:51
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: How many Covid-19 deaths is India missing? β†’ https://is.gd/q1tGIX06:52
BrainstormUpdates for World: +7041 cases (now 22.1 million), +37 deaths (now 778459) since 46 minutes ago β€” France: +3344 cases (now 242650) since 12 hours ago β€” Ukraine: +1517 cases (now 95007), +22 deaths (now 2122) since a day ago β€” India: +1077 cases (now 2.7 million) since 5 hours ago07:05
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: WSJ: "China’s CDC, Built to Stop Pandemics Like Covid, Stumbled When It Mattered Most" β†’ https://is.gd/DR8XEl07:12
BrainstormUpdates for Madrid, Spain: +5392 cases (now 93359) since 3 days ago β€” Andalusia, Spain: +1531 cases (now 20468), +7 deaths (now 1452) since 3 days ago β€” Aragon, Spain: +1494 cases (now 21847), +1 deaths (now 993) since 3 days ago β€” Punjab, India: +1490 cases (now 32696), +51 deaths (now 863) since a day ago07:20
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 now No. 3 cause of death in US β†’ https://is.gd/nEJ2Rz07:21
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. averaging over 50,000 cases a day; Singapore announces more stimulus β†’ https://is.gd/Bh8GN807:31
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: What the immune response to COVID-19 says about the prospects for a vaccine. (80 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02400-7 | https://redd.it/ibt77n07:39
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Dr. Birx says she wishes the US lockdown looked more like Italy's where the public faced stringent restrictions on movement - but admits 'Americans would not like that' β†’ https://is.gd/sDtlfK08:10
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Curious about hot oil manicure? Try it at home β†’ https://is.gd/pzQPUt08:19
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. averaging over 50,000 cases a day; Singapore announces more stimulus β†’ https://is.gd/Bh8GN808:39
BrainstormUpdates for Lithuania: +38 cases (now 2474) since 20 hours ago β€” World: +1586 cases (now 22.1 million), +29 deaths (now 778507) since an hour ago β€” India: +836 cases (now 2.7 million), +11 deaths (now 51936) since 2 hours ago β€” Israel: +378 cases (now 95129) since 7 hours ago09:05
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: How Wuhan went from quiet streets to packed pools β†’ https://is.gd/1ThBfp09:08
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Wuhan hosts massive water park party as Covid concerns recede β†’ https://is.gd/rQQgbj09:27
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: This new model is predicting COVID outbreaks in 5 new hotspots β†’ https://is.gd/ai9DZj09:56
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: SARS-CoV-2 Infection Among Community Health Workers in India Before and After Use of Face Shields β†’ https://is.gd/rZoXJK10:25
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Destination of the week: Rio’s Christ the Redeemer and other tourist landmarks reopen for public β†’ https://is.gd/fRlIWW10:44
BrainstormUpdates for China: +2680 cases (now 87551), +69 deaths (now 4703) since 7 hours ago β€” Canada: +477 cases (now 123349), +20 deaths (now 9052) since 9 hours ago β€” Channel Islands: +1 deaths (now 48) since 16 hours ago β€” Australia: +1 cases (now 23773) since 4 hours ago10:51
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Dido Harding to be temporary head of new health agency: Dido Harding will lead an agency combining Public Health England's pandemic work with NHS Test and Trace. β†’ https://is.gd/ju2L2P11:08
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: FL Reports Fewest Number Of New Coronavirus Cases Since Mid Jun β†’ https://is.gd/SAfo0s11:13
BrainstormUpdates for World: +531218 cases (now 22.2 million), +19168 deaths (now 778747) since 4 hours ago β€” US: +173702 cases (now 5.6 million), +3219 deaths (now 173716) since 4 hours ago β€” Spain: +23060 cases (now 382142) since 4 hours ago β€” Russia: +6935 cases (now 932493), +165 deaths (now 15872) since 4 hours ago11:21
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Wuhan coronavirus: From silent streets to packed pools: Images of crowds at a waterpark festival show how far the city has moved on from its January lockdown. β†’ https://is.gd/csCCBA11:23
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Resurgence of covid-19 in Japan: Japan has seen a resurgence of covid-19, and the effective reproduction number has been above 1 for two months. The daily confirmed cases reached nearly 2000 in early August.1Since the start of the... β†’ https://is.gd/etYslX11:33
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: More infectious but less deadly Coronavirus mutation may be β€˜a good thing’, says disease expert β†’ https://is.gd/IiBS0x12:11
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Israel launches fresh attacks on Gaza - Israel has been launching tank and air force attacks on Gaza since last week. They have also shut down a goods crossing point and stopped fuel shipments β†’ https://is.gd/YCwCzR12:40
BrainstormNew from Scientific American: Nine COVID-19 Myths That Just Won't Go Away: From a human-made virus to vaccine conspiracy theories, we rounded up the most persistent false claims about the pandemic -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com β†’ https://is.gd/HHaOzk12:50
BrainstormUpdates for Nepal: +1016 cases (now 28257), +7 deaths (now 114) since 19 hours ago β€” World: +9450 cases (now 22.2 million), +336 deaths (now 779083) since an hour ago β€” Bangladesh: +3200 cases (now 282344), +46 deaths (now 3740) since a day ago β€” Iran: +2385 cases (now 347835), +168 deaths (now 19972) since a day ago12:51
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: U.S. averaging over 50,000 cases a day; Singapore announces more stimulus β†’ https://is.gd/Bh8GN813:00
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Pak to conduct phase-III clinical trial of COVID-19 vaccine β†’ https://is.gd/Fcri2O13:19
BrainstormUpdates for World: +956 cases (now 22.2 million), +11 deaths (now 779094) since 32 minutes ago β€” US: +953 cases (now 5.6 million), +11 deaths (now 173772) since 32 minutes ago β€” British Virgin Islands: +2 cases (now 11) since 12 days ago β€” Taiwan: +1 cases (now 486) since a day ago13:21
BrainstormUpdates for San Marino: +3 cases (now 702) since a month ago β€” World: +9 cases (now 22.2 million) since 21 minutes ago β€” Vietnam: +6 cases (now 989) since 7 hours ago13:36
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: South Korea says 457 cases linked to church β†’ https://is.gd/Dnyi9i13:39
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: China’s Wuhan hosts huge water park party as Covid-19 concerns subside β†’ https://is.gd/ixS7Yy13:48
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus in the UK: How many confirmed cases are there in your area? β†’ https://is.gd/8rLBbe13:58
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Mild Covid-19 cases can produce strong T cell response, says study β†’ https://is.gd/X3eQgD14:08
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO says world is far from herd immunity; Quest Diagnostics says it has 'ample capacity' for new tests β†’ https://is.gd/8BHPcr14:17
BrainstormUpdates for Palestine: +462 cases (now 17306) since 17 hours ago β€” World: +14850 cases (now 22.2 million), +117 deaths (now 779211) since 54 minutes ago β€” India: +13049 cases (now 2.7 million), +105 deaths (now 52060) since 3 hours ago β€” Kuwait: +643 cases (now 77470), +3 deaths (now 505) since 21 hours ago14:21
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The coronavirus pandemic is being driven by people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s who don't know they're infected, according to WHO β†’ https://is.gd/SA0SGq14:47
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: WHO says world is far from herd immunity; Quest Diagnostics says it has 'ample capacity' for new tests β†’ https://is.gd/8BHPcr15:06
BrainstormNew from Ars Technica: Science: COVID spit test is faster, cheaper, avoids shortagesβ€”and now greenlit by FDA β†’ https://is.gd/j1AZ7l16:14
Haley[mt][m]%cases world16:16
BrainstormHaley[mt][m]: In World, there have been 22.2 million confirmed cases (0.3% of the population) and 779498 deaths (3.5% of cases) as of 16 minutes ago. 467.4 million tests were performed (4.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 5.1% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data.16:16
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Virtual Event: AI: Cracking Covid-19’s Code: STAT's Casey Ross talks with reasearchers and AI experts about how AI is accelerating a worldwide effort to crack Covid-19's molecular code. β†’ https://is.gd/8jMI8416:23
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Quest Diagnostics speeds testing results; WHO says world far from herd immunity β†’ https://is.gd/8BHPcr17:02
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Australian PM says country to manufacture, distribute COVID-19 vaccine free to citizens β†’ https://is.gd/IORXVH17:41
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: WHO warns coronavirus is now driven by young people who don't know they are infected: The World Health Organization warned that the Covid-19 pandemic is now being driven by people in their 20s, 30s and 40s who don't know they are infected. β†’ https://is.gd/mTnJzX17:50
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Mild COVID-19 cases can produce strong T cell response (88 votes) | https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2020-08/cp-mcc081720.php?utm_source=miragenews&utm_medium=miragenews&utm_campaign=news | https://redd.it/ic1eb117:55
BrainstormUpdates for World: +26265 cases (now 22.2 million), +666 deaths (now 779877) since 3 hours ago β€” India: +12719 cases (now 2.7 million), +220 deaths (now 52280) since 3 hours ago β€” US: +8213 cases (now 5.6 million), +304 deaths (now 174076) since 4 hours ago β€” Jordan: +40 cases (now 1438) since 23 hours ago18:07
LjLItaly's cases have gone down a bit today... Well, technically up, but the cases/tests ratio is the lowest since a few days18:08
LjLWe have about 400 cases, yesterday we had 300, but we approached 600 before18:09
LjLAnd yesterday doesn't count because it's always the day of the week with the least testing18:09
LjLBut I'm not deluding myself because the trend was clearly rising18:10
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Retailers weather pandemic shutdowns; Yale saliva test may miss some infections β†’ https://is.gd/8BHPcr18:10
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: More than 2,000 students, 500 teachers in Mississippi in quarantine due to COVID-19 (10422 votes) | https://www.wjtv.com/health/coronavirus/more-than-2000-students-500-teachers-in-mississippi-in-quarantine-due-to-covid-19/ | https://redd.it/ibyfax18:13
BrainstormUpdates for Iraq: +4576 cases (now 184709), +82 deaths (now 6036) since 23 hours ago β€” World: +29673 cases (now 22.2 million), +760 deaths (now 780637) since 35 minutes ago β€” India: +20054 cases (now 2.8 million), +566 deaths (now 52846) since 35 minutes ago β€” US: +2116 cases (now 5.6 million), +65 deaths (now 174141) since 35 minutes ago18:37
de-factoLjL how does it compare to n weeks prior to today's weekday with n=1,2,3, ...?18:47
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Cases rise at Newark Bakkavor dessert factory β†’ https://is.gd/Z32QFX18:48
de-factojust because it seems every country got a weekly periodicity in its daily new cases, hence would make sense to compare same day of the week18:50
de-factoe.g. Tuesday with Tuesday 1,2,3,... weeks ago18:50
LjL-Matrixde-facto I can't check now as I'm walking... But I am not sure in this case it makes sense to compare on a weekly basis because we were having a sharp increase in cases....18:52
BrainstormUpdates for Tunisia: +129 cases (now 2314), +1 deaths (now 57) since 17 hours ago β€” World: +960 cases (now 22.2 million), +10 deaths (now 780647) since 19 minutes ago β€” India: +493 cases (now 2.8 million), +7 deaths (now 52853) since 19 minutes ago β€” Czechia: +191 cases (now 20393), +2 deaths (now 401) since 17 hours ago18:52
de-factook yeah well makes sense, sorry didnt know you are walking :)18:55
redlegionI'm surprised corona hadn't made its way into the food supply chain earlier, to be honest.19:06
BrainstormUpdates for Turkey: +1263 cases (now 251805), +20 deaths (now 6016) since 22 hours ago β€” World: +1684 cases (now 22.2 million), +22 deaths (now 780669) since 18 minutes ago β€” Lebanon: +421 cases (now 9758), +2 deaths (now 107) since a day ago19:07
de-factoredlegion, what do you refer to?19:08
redlegionde-facto: the dessert factory incident at Bakkavor is one of a few19:10
de-factoafaik the Chinese claimed to have it found on Brazil chicken wings as well as salmon from somewhere several months ago19:11
de-factoprobably via PCR so would not determine if it was infectious or just some inactivated virions with RNA (my guess)19:12
de-factoafaik there also were clusters in several slaughterhouses as well as helpers for harvest in Germany19:14
de-factojust to name a few examples19:15
tinwhiskersYeah the bakkavor case isn't "in the food chain" as in contaminated food. It's another situation of high numbers of cases like at the meat works.19:16
de-factoi read they speculate about import of coronavirus via frozen food into NZ, is there any expert comments on if such an infection path even is possible?19:17
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Notre Dame reports 11% positive test rate; Yale saliva test may miss some infections β†’ https://is.gd/8BHPcr19:18
tinwhiskersThe experts says it was highly unlikely but it hasn't been determined.19:18
tinwhiskers*said19:18
tinwhiskersOh, man, laggy connection today.19:19
de-factoi mean i could imagine that food gets contaminated e.g. by workers so PCR test finds RNA, yet it would be interesting to know the likelihood that there still could be fully functional virions among those (especially in frozen foods). Afaik they made tests with breastfeeding milk and refrigerating it preserved infections virions for longer times19:20
de-factoyeah but for sure not a main infection path yet would be interesting to know if such a thing would be possible in principle19:22
tinwhiskersI think it's possible19:23
tinwhiskersFreezing is a pretty good way to preserve specimens for a while19:23
de-factoyes makes sense, probably the decay half life increases exponentially with decreasing temp or such19:25
de-factohence decreases exponentially with increasing temp => cooking makes sense :)19:25
de-facto%title https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2020.00473/full19:39
Brainstormde-facto: From www.frontiersin.org: Frontiers | Modeling the Onset of Symptoms of COVID-19 | Public Health19:39
de-facto..."...we apply a Markov Process to a graded partially ordered set based on clinical observations of COVID-19 cases to ascertain the most likely order of discernible symptoms (i.e., fever, cough, nausea/vomiting, and diarrhea) in COVID-19 patients. We then compared the progression of these symptoms in COVID-19 to other respiratory diseases, such as influenza, SARS, and MERS, to observe if the diseases present differently."...19:39
de-facto..."Our model predicts that influenza initiates with cough, whereas COVID-19 like other coronavirus-related diseases initiates with fever. However, COVID-19 differs from SARS and MERS in the order of gastrointestinal symptoms. Our results support the notion that fever should be used to screen for entry into facilities as regions begin to reopen after the outbreak of Spring 2020. Additionally, our findings suggest that good clinical 19:40
de-factopractice should involve recording the order of symptom occurrence in COVID-19 and other diseases."...19:40
de-facto..."...a person infected with COVID-19 is most likely to experience symptoms in the order of fever, cough, nausea/vomiting, then diarrhea"...19:44
de-facto..."These two results suggest that in patients with SARS-CoV-2, the body first develops fever, then upper respiratory symptoms and finally symptoms of the upper then lower gastrointestinal (GI) tract."...19:45
de-facto..."The most likely order of occurrence of symptoms in COVID-19 is fever, cough, nausea/vomiting, and diarrhea (Figure 3A). This path is identical to influenza except the order of the initial two symptoms is switched (Figure 3B). On the other hand, the predicted most likely paths (i.e., fever, cough, diarrhea, and then nausea/vomiting) are the same for MERS and SARS (Figures 3C,D). This order has one difference from the most likely path 19:48
de-factoin COVID-19 in that the order of the final two symptoms are reversed."...19:48
de-factomakes sense and even is kinda useful :)19:50
LjLso with flu you tend to get cough first?19:52
de-factothats what they say19:53
de-facto..."Our model predicts that influenza initiates with cough, whereas COVID-19 like other coronavirus-related diseases initiates with fever. "...19:53
de-factoso that checking for fever with contactless infrared thermometers seems to kinda make sense19:54
LjLde-facto, unless you're asymptomatic ;(19:55
de-factobut yeah its all about probabilities, so exceptions verify the common rule19:55
de-factoyeah and that19:55
de-factoand ~40% asymptomatic are quite a lot19:56
LjLde-facto, the three big antibody surveys put that more around 30%, although one of them actually mentions that's not in accordance with metas and reviews19:57
de-factoyeah but still lets say 30-50% or such, its a significant part and studies show viral shed is comparable to those who develop symptoms19:58
LjLyea19:58
LjLjust nitpicking19:58
de-facto%title https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/276923519:59
Brainstormde-facto: From jamanetwork.com: Clinical Course and Molecular Viral Shedding Among Asymptomatic and Symptomatic Patients With SARS-CoV-2 Infection in a Community Treatment Center in the Republic of Korea | Infectious Diseases | JAMA [...]19:59
de-factohttps://jamanetwork.com/journals/intemed/articlepdf/2769235/jamainternal_lee_2020_oi_200057.pdf19:59
de-facto..."The cycle threshold values of reverse transcription–polymerase chain reaction for SARS-CoV-2 in asymptomatic patients were similar to those in symptomatic patients."...20:00
de-factohence ~40% asymptomatic spread is a significant problem with this particular virus, (against current WHO statements)20:01
de-factobtw they found the same in children afaik, despite being asymptomatic they have comparable RT-PCR cycle counts for detection (at least in same order of magnitude)20:04
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Leicester lockdown: Beauty salons and nail bars to reopen: Beauty salons and nail bars are among businesses in Leicester allowed to reopen from Wednesday. β†’ https://is.gd/PuI6cz20:06
BrainstormUpdates for World: +20609 cases (now 22.3 million), +355 deaths (now 781024) since an hour ago β€” Gambia: +244 cases (now 2116) since a day ago β€” India: +11220 cases (now 2.8 million), +165 deaths (now 53018) since an hour ago β€” Spain: +2128 cases (now 384270), +24 deaths (now 28670) since 8 hours ago20:08
de-facto%title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20125484v120:09
Brainstormde-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: An analysis of SARS-CoV-2 viral load by patient age | medRxiv20:09
de-facto..."Combined data from both PCR instruments show that viral loads of at least 250,000 copies, a threshold we previously established for the isolation of infectious virus in cell culture at more than 5% probability, were present across the study period in 29.0% of kindergarten-aged patients 0-6 years old (n=38), 37.3% of those aged 0-19 (n=150), and in 51.4% of those aged 20 and above (n=3153). The differences in these fractions may also 20:10
de-factobe due to differences in test utilization."...20:10
de-facto..."We conclude that a considerable percentage of infected people in all age groups, including those who are pre- or mild-symptomatic, carry viral loads likely to represent infectivity."...20:10
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Notre Dame reports 11% positive test rate; Yale saliva test may miss some infections β†’ https://is.gd/8BHPcr20:16
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network *: ljl-covid: Add "rant" about the WHO, as requested by IndoAnon, trying to keep it… β†’ https://is.gd/W6qvsL20:25
IndoAnonLjL: nice, now i feel more comfortable in recommending your website 20:25
LjLi've also posted it to r/coronavirus, maybe it'll be struck, it's a bit borderline to post it by their rules20:29
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network *: ljl-covid: Update ToC β†’ https://is.gd/GTl1d020:35
de-factoironically defunding exactly promotes such behavior, giving political considerations more weight than scientific consensus20:35
BrainstormUpdates for World: +12925 cases (now 22.3 million), +367 deaths (now 781391) since 35 minutes ago β€” Brazil: +7027 cases (now 3.4 million), +246 deaths (now 108900) since 9 hours ago β€” Aruba: +84 cases (now 1205) since 18 hours ago β€” India: +2641 cases (now 2.8 million), +5 deaths (now 53023) since 35 minutes ago20:38
IndoAnontoo bad medrxiv use disqus... Should have made their own specialized platform... So, everyone able to link line from multiple research paper in one comment without making a direct quote20:40
LjLi just found out there is this app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.softmining.projects.covid19.savelifestyle which apparently "eavesdrops" on the italian Immuni app (as well as having its own IDs, and i guess doing the same with any other exposure notification API-based app) to give you more info and "build better models", including your GPS location, optionally... they assure me they only use anonymized data, however there is no source 20:42
LjLcode. so i reported the app to Google as apparently in breach of their exposure notification API usage policies.20:42
IndoAnonwhoa20:43
de-factostrange how did they even got access to exposure notification api in the first place then? was there not something like "one official app per country" or such?20:46
de-factoand apps should be separated by users, cgroups and selinux afaik20:49
LjLde-facto, i think they aren't using the actual API, which means my report is only arguably valid... i think they just use a foreground service to stay active, and then monitor BLE IDs that way20:49
LjLhence "eavesdropping"20:50
LjLanyway Google have been known to remove apps from Play for entirely arbitrary reasons, so this seems just the right amount of arbitrary to me20:50
LjL(namely if it had been open soure i would not have reported it :P)20:50
de-factoLjL, yeah would make sense since those BLE beacon scanners also could see exposure notification beacons afaik20:55
de-factoand thats a good thing because then you could determine if your devices really do transmit20:56
LjLde-facto, yes i think it would be a good thing to have a nice open source "debug" app to check what the exposure API is actually doing and exchanging21:01
LjLbut something proprietary from a "MiningSoft" that makes vague promises that no, they won't use your GPS data personally, promise...?!21:02
de-factoLjL afaik there was a "SpΓ€her-App" from someone from the embarrassing Germany party AfD which did try to do the same, trying to spy for BLE beacons, seems Google did remove that one21:04
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Notre Dame reports 11% positive test rate; Yale saliva test may miss some infections β†’ https://is.gd/8BHPcr21:04
de-factoit seems it was published for ~1€ on https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appverlag.kf.exposurenotificationtracing21:08
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Encouraging News About Coronavirus Immunity (82 votes) | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/08/18/encouraging-news-about-coronavirus-immunity | https://redd.it/ic45rz21:08
de-factoso i guess they indeed will take that one down too then21:09
de-factoheh very nice links in that post CoronaBot :)21:16
LjLde-facto, lol they had the guts to change for it even21:22
IndoAnonLjL: https://files.catbox.moe/bn5qbd.mp4 < precise cut of  https://github.com/ljl-covid/links/blob/0bc2e2e50ef46b1852ca5e4197d4a94b4019dbfe/speeches/Italian-Civil-Protection/2020-04-15.txt#L87-L8921:25
LjLIndoAnon, :o where did you get the videos?21:25
IndoAnonManual cut21:26
IndoAnonwith help of youtube-dl21:26
LjLIndoAnon, but the video itself... is it still where it was when i made the text file?21:27
LjLunusual transparency, keeping them there21:27
IndoAnonyeah lol... Unexpectedly transparent 21:28
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: Notre Dame traces more than 50 coronavirus cases to off-campus party, official says: Paul Browne, a university spokesman, told the South Bend Tribune on Friday that many of the growing cases were traced to an off-campus party. β†’ https://is.gd/pTsf6X22:02
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Notre Dame reports 11% positive test rate; Yale saliva test may miss some infections β†’ https://is.gd/8BHPcr22:21
BrainstormNew from https://covid19.specops.network *: ljl-covid: Add England by MSOA tracker β†’ https://is.gd/YhDhZ122:31
BrainstormUpdates for World: +13977 cases (now 22.3 million), +507 deaths (now 781898) since 2 hours ago β€” US: +12535 cases (now 5.6 million), +343 deaths (now 174636) since 2 hours ago β€” Kazakhstan: +146 deaths (now 1415) since 16 hours ago β€” Costa Rica: +559 cases (now 29643), +10 deaths (now 314) since 20 hours ago22:38
BrainstormNew from Ars Technica: Policy: Anti-vaccine group sues Facebook, claims fact-checking is β€œcensorship” β†’ https://is.gd/iEodyf22:50
BrainstormUpdates for World: +7283 cases (now 22.3 million), +387 deaths (now 782285) since 34 minutes ago β€” US: +4928 cases (now 5.6 million), +100 deaths (now 174736) since 34 minutes ago β€” South Africa: +2258 cases (now 592144), +282 deaths (now 12264) since 21 hours ago β€” Ivory Coast: +43 cases (now 17150) since 21 hours ago23:08
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Notre Dame temporarily shifts to remote classes to try to curb coronavirus outbreak, warns it may send students home β†’ https://is.gd/pTsf6X23:29
Jigsy%cases UK23:38
BrainstormJigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 320286 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 41381 deaths (12.9% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 18.3 million tests were performed (1.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.23:38
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Notre Dame to move classes online for 2 weeks; Yale saliva test may miss some infections β†’ https://is.gd/8BHPcr23:39

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