| LjL | ryouma, well don't beat yourself up. i agree that the one that says "don't come if you're vulnerable" can be removed from the list, no reason to seek trouble. but if a tooth infection gets bad, well, it can have bad effects, even COVID-type-bad in extreme cases, so i think as long as they are taking some reasonable precautions, even if it's not "perfect" (it'll never be), it's worth going | 00:00 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus*: Coronavirus: Robert Pattinson Tests Positive For Covid-19, Halting ‘The Batman’ Production → https://is.gd/BCnqUQ | 00:05 |
| LjL | oh noes | 00:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +87846 cases (now 26.5 million), +1876 deaths (now 873088) since 5 hours ago — Brazil: +32661 cases (now 4.0 million), +594 deaths (now 124651) since 5 hours ago — Bahrain: +626 cases (now 53433) since 23 hours ago — US: +25825 cases (now 6.3 million), +615 deaths (now 190936) since 5 hours ago | 00:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The pandemic is ruining our sleep. Experts say ‘coronasomnia’ could imperil public health. → https://is.gd/mnON5k | 00:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Argentina: +12026 cases (now 451198), +206 deaths (now 9361) since 8 hours ago — World: +12442 cases (now 26.5 million), +210 deaths (now 873298) since 20 minutes ago — US: +275 cases (now 6.3 million) since 20 minutes ago — Norway: +55 cases (now 11120) since 6 hours ago | 00:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: At least 7,000 health workers worldwide have died after being infected with the coronavirus, including more than 1,300 in Mexico alone, the most for any country, Amnesty International said → https://is.gd/wqsBQ4 | 00:45 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Dark matter, second waves and epidemiological modelling (81 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.01.20185876v1 | https://redd.it/ilps1p | 00:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Top Adviser To Operation Warp Speed Calls An October Vaccine 'Extremely Unlikely' → https://is.gd/IXTfI1 | 00:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: “Shortsighted” and “Self-defeating”: US rejects global COVID-19 vaccine effort → https://is.gd/UWiqoH | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: (Spanish) Record of coronavirus cases in Argentina: 12.026 in a single day → https://is.gd/o3qeLF | 01:14 |
| LuxInterior | Penn State's director of athletic medicine says that MRI scans revealed that around 30-35% of Big Ten athletes who tested positive for COVID-19 appeared to have myocarditis, | 01:18 |
| ryouma | what is the base rate. merely ested positive is extraordinary. | 01:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Evidence slowly building for long-term heart problems post-COVID-19 → https://is.gd/pF1nQH | 01:24 |
| bin_bash | LuxInterior: wow that's fascinating, do you have a source? | 01:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Flu Season Looms And Scientists Wonder How Flu And COVID-19 Might Mix → https://is.gd/QdRGjk | 01:53 |
| de-facto | %title https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768916 | 01:55 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From jamanetwork.com: Outcomes of Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Imaging in Patients Recently Recovered From Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) | Cardiology | JAMA Cardiology | JAMA Network | 01:55 |
| de-facto | %title https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2768914 | 01:55 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From jamanetwork.com: Association of Cardiac Infection With SARS-CoV-2 in Confirmed COVID-19 Autopsy Cases | Cardiology | JAMA Cardiology | JAMA Network | 01:56 |
| de-facto | so it seems this effect is discovered in more places, is there information about recovering time from this? e.g. how long lasting those are and what percentage of patients recover to which degree at what time? | 01:57 |
| de-facto | also did those athletes had similar MRI scans before? would be quite interesting to have a prior/after comparison on an individual case bases | 01:59 |
| de-facto | i could imagine only those top ten athletes may have got that (for some checkup or such?) since its an expensive procedure | 02:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Burger King plans new restaurants that feature a totally “touchless” customer experience, inspired by pandemic precautions. → https://is.gd/gIJ2K0 | 02:13 |
| LjL | no touching the food either? | 02:14 |
| metro | probably | 02:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Leader of U.S. vaccine push says he‘ll quit if politics trumps science → https://is.gd/EC39zL | 02:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +18684 cases (now 26.5 million), +353 deaths (now 873651) since an hour ago — Peru: +6708 cases (now 670145), +146 deaths (now 29405) since a day ago — Brazil: +5987 cases (now 4.0 million), +78 deaths (now 124729) since 2 hours ago — US: +4175 cases (now 6.3 million), +91 deaths (now 191027) since an hour ago | 02:24 |
| ap4lmtree | you can get heart damage and lung damage if you are asymptomatic with coronavirus https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=asymptomatic+coronavirus+heart | 02:28 |
| LjL | ap4lmtree, that's pretty low-effort to just give us a google page like that :P specific links have been posted about that | 02:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Dr. Fauci says he has 'confidence and some faith' the coronavirus vaccine approval won't be political → https://is.gd/DK1RrG | 02:52 |
| LjL | "some" faith | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Pfizer CEO confirms late-stage coronavirus vaccine trial may have results in October → https://is.gd/FCC1lF | 03:01 |
| LuxInterior | https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2907517-psu-doctor-30-35-of-big-ten-athletes-with-covid-19-developed-myocarditis | 03:04 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Effect of Calcifediol Treatment and best Available Therapy versus best Available Therapy on Intensive Care Unit Admission and Mortality Among Patients Hospitalized for COVID-19: A Pilot Randomized Clinical study (80 votes) | https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960076020302764?via%3Dihub#tbl0005 | https://redd.it/ilutxp | 03:07 |
| LuxInterior | https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/03/909137658/university-with-model-testing-regime-doubles-down-on-discipline-amid-case-spike | 03:11 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Coronavirus Vaccine Roundup, Early September (83 votes) | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/09/03/coronavirus-vaccine-roundup-early-september | https://redd.it/im2p0j | 03:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for N. Cyprus: +50 cases (now 361) since 6 days ago — France: +1891 cases (now 315621) since 3 hours ago — World: +1609 cases (now 26.5 million), +35 deaths (now 873686) since an hour ago — Venezuela: +994 cases (now 49877), +4 deaths (now 402) since a day ago | 03:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ Open: Profile and complexity of travel medicine consultations in Chile: unicentric cross-sectional study: Objective To analyse the spectrum, vaccination needs and pretravel advice complexity of travellers presenting at a travel medicine clinic in Santiago, Chile. Design Cross-sectional study. Setting Pretravel consultations in a private [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/zonCNl | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Paraguay: +821 cases (now 19959), +15 deaths (now 373) since a day ago — World: +8014 cases (now 26.6 million), +674 deaths (now 874360) since an hour ago — Mexico: +5937 cases (now 616894), +513 deaths (now 66329) since a day ago — Bolivia: +853 cases (now 118781), +85 deaths (now 5288) since a day ago | 04:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Florida tells health officials not to release coronavirus data about schools → https://is.gd/leQs1M | 04:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid-19 Symptoms Can Persist for Months - Even after a month of the acute phase of Covid-19, some patients who had mild cases still report persistent symptoms, including frequent headaches, fatigue, drowsiness, altered memory, and loss of smell. → https://is.gd/6xeps8 | 04:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Finally Confirmed! Vitamin D Nearly Abolishes ICU Risk in COVID-19 → https://is.gd/tXVfrX | 04:49 |
| de-facto | hmm when calculating the reproduction number as ratio of two rolling sums delayed by one serial time: what if the denominator approaches zero? | 04:51 |
| de-facto | e.g. for times with very low case numbers it may be that the rolling sum for the denominator becomes zero, hence a vanishing reference for calculating relative reproduction against | 04:52 |
| de-facto | hence those wild fluctuations in Reff (mostly at the beginning) where daily incidence is still low | 04:53 |
| de-facto | how would i suppress those wild fluctuations (obviously they are incorrect) | 04:54 |
| de-facto | any idea? just setting the denominator to 1 feels a bit arbitrary | 04:54 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Vitamin D deficiency raises COVID-19 infection risk by 77%, study finds (10036 votes) | https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/09/03/Vitamin-D-deficiency-raises-COVID-19-infection-risk-by-77-study-finds/7001599139929/?utm_source=onesignal | https://redd.it/ilvczt | 04:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19: India's daily caseload nears China's grand total → https://is.gd/gZUm2S | 05:08 |
| LjL | i'm starting to find this dearth of cases in China a bit unnatural... i guess i can finally join the club | 05:10 |
| ryouma | de-facto: idk but in the past i have done things (totally unsupported by any statistics i know of but it works) like adding a small constant to numerator and denominator | 05:10 |
| ryouma | of course you can also increase the number of points | 05:10 |
| ryouma | (by "works" i mean if done properly it can produce good machine learning classification rates) | 05:11 |
| de-facto | yeah I just tried adding 1 to both in case the denominator vanished (i really cant affort to have NaN in time series data) | 05:12 |
| ryouma | now compare against previous numbers to see what it changes :) | 05:12 |
| de-facto | hmm good idea | 05:13 |
| ryouma | idk if nan is bad. in principle if you go from 0 cases to 1 cases in some cases it might be right to say posinf? | 05:14 |
| ryouma | i saw nan in google music recently for the time numbers | 05:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Evidence slowly building for long-term heart problems post-COVID-19 → https://is.gd/yVQo3B | 05:18 |
| ryouma | tonga will rule the world | 05:18 |
| ryouma | (now my dental question got more complex with one office suggesting go to an endodonist directly ... they probably don't know i need toi limit number of visits for unrelated health reasons, and i have heard pro and con on root canals over the years and really don't wnat to make this yeta nother impossible to make decision) | 05:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +1789 cases (now 317410) since 2 hours ago — World: +1379 cases (now 26.6 million), +32 deaths (now 874392) since an hour ago — Belgium: +633 cases (now 86544) since 22 hours ago — Honduras: +632 cases (now 63158), +30 deaths (now 1954) since a day ago | 05:20 |
| LjL | ryouma, "pros and cons"? my understanding is that if you reach the point when you need a root canal, it's either a root canal, or extraction. you can't just... leave it there | 05:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Brazil’s Bolsonaro says COVID-19 vaccinations will not be mandatory → https://is.gd/cQafRd | 05:37 |
| de-facto | it looks like adding a small variable to both nominator and denominator basically shifts the pole for a vanishing denominator to negative numbers range when that variable is raised from 0 to 1 or such | 05:38 |
| de-facto | s=4; d=1..4; R=1.2; N(t) = R^(t/s) - 1.5 ; Reff(N(t)) = ( (N(t) + x) / (N(t-d) + x) )^(s/d) and x from 0 to 1 | 05:45 |
| de-facto | so it looks like with vanishing denominator due to no cases in the rolling sum window adding 1 to both nominator and denominator might be a suitable solution, the error is somewhat localized to the region of the pole and vanishes with distance to it | 05:48 |
| de-facto | the reproduction in the proximity to the pole with small denominator rolling sum is unreliable anyhow, hence making a small error there does not make the predictive ability significantly worse i guess | 05:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Indonesia hits highest daily increase in COVID-19 cases, deaths → https://is.gd/DhYGfT | 05:57 |
| de-facto | hmm i have to play with it further to investigate | 06:04 |
| de-facto | aaw there are negative case counts in the data (corrections?) | 06:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Officials from at least three states have suggested that they would refuse to distribute a COVID-19 vaccine if they believe it has not received adequate vetting by the federal government, or that it had been approved for political reasons. → https://is.gd/dG1Tfm | 06:07 |
| de-facto | its interesting the reproduction number reflects the relative changes to the local environment of a specific moment in incidence timeseries regardless of the absolute number of new cases, hence it always has to be interpreted together with the daily number of new cases | 06:34 |
| de-facto | e.g. a big reproduction number for a small number of daily new cases is not nearly as fatal as the same reproduction number for a big number of daily new cases because its always a relative statement to the current number of daily new cases | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Concerns About COVID-19 Spreading On College Campuses Growing As Thousands Of Students Test Positive → https://is.gd/TpSq2s | 06:36 |
| ryouma | i don't get what constitutes vetting. you cannot do 20 year ltfu in 2 months. and something tells me they will not test large n on 10,000 diseases. with 10,000 environmental differneces for each. and genetic variants. | 07:04 |
| ryouma | i wonder why az numbers on offloop are not going up due to schools and universities | 07:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 vaccine by Nov. 1: Scientists call for full release of data before distribution → https://is.gd/lXe0r3 | 07:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +15083 cases (now 26.6 million), +72 deaths (now 874464) since an hour ago — Quebec, Canada: +187 cases (now 62933), +3 deaths (now 5767) since a day ago — India: +3623 cases (now 3.9 million) since 6 hours ago — France: +3246 cases (now 320656) since an hour ago | 07:05 |
| ryouma | fyi election day is nov 3 | 07:07 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Robert Pattinson Has Covid-19, Halting The Batman Production (10075 votes) | https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/09/robert-pattinson-the-batman-coronavirus?utm_brand=vf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_social-type=owned&mbid=social_twitter | https://redd.it/ilzlbp | 07:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Argentine university professor dies in the middle of zoom class due to coronavirus → https://is.gd/ccrwCR | 07:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Stockholm's new coronavirus cases fall to lowest level since March → https://is.gd/JGJb3i | 07:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Europe's biggest brothels has gone broke amid the coronavirus pandemic, media report. → https://is.gd/yZuduB | 07:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Uttarakhand, India: +946 cases (now 22180), +9 deaths (now 300) since a day ago — Nebraska, US: +474 cases (now 35469), +5 deaths (now 404) since a day ago — Maharashtra, India: +18105 cases (now 843844), +391 deaths (now 25586) since a day ago — Chandigarh, India: +276 cases (now 5065), +4 deaths (now 63) since a day ago | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: B.C. on 'a precipice,' provincial health officer warns, as 89 new COVID-19 cases confirmed → https://is.gd/UkyAEk | 08:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Steroids can save lives of patients with severe covid-19, earning WHO endorsement → https://is.gd/FAESme | 08:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Tokyo reports 136 new COVID-19 cases for September 4th (as of 3PM JST) → https://is.gd/Zut1bq | 08:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Ex Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi precautionally hospitalized due to CoVid-19 → https://is.gd/mcvIwM | 09:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Hungary: +459 cases (now 7382), +1 deaths (now 621) since 23 hours ago — World: +677 cases (now 26.6 million), +12 deaths (now 874482) since an hour ago — Armenia: +190 cases (now 44461), +4 deaths (now 891) since 23 hours ago — Georgia: +28 cases (now 1596) since 23 hours ago | 09:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Quarantine 'confusion' in the UK with different rules for England, Wales and Scotland → https://is.gd/aYWlkW | 09:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 2 500 randomly tested in Sweden – no one had covid-19 → https://is.gd/xLJRGq | 09:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Nepal police fire tear gas to stop religious rally amid COVID-19 surge → https://is.gd/GgOz2m | 10:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +10122 cases (now 26.6 million), +180 deaths (now 874662) since an hour ago — Slovakia: +137 cases (now 4300) since 23 hours ago — Russia: +5110 cases (now 1.0 million), +121 deaths (now 17649) since a day ago — Philippines: +3669 cases (now 232072), +49 deaths (now 3737) since a day ago | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: New Zealand records first COVID-19 death in over three months → https://is.gd/myY1we | 10:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Brazil tops 4 mn cases as probe launched into origin of virus: Brazil surpassed four million coronavirus cases on Thursday, as an international panel looking into the global response to the pandemic vowed to uncover how it was able to spread worldwide. → https://is.gd/8TK3OS | 10:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Madrid races to finish new hospital for second wave: Near Madrid airport, an army of cranes works round the clock to build a new pandemic hospital which is expected to open in November. → https://is.gd/VvnWCP | 10:58 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Leader of U.S. vaccine push says he‘ll quit if politics trumps science (10077 votes) | https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/leader-us-vaccine-push-says-he-ll-quit-if-politics-trumps-science-approval-process | https://redd.it/im5ccs | 11:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Over 7,000 health workers dead from coronavirus, Amnesty says: At least 7,000 health workers worldwide have died after being infected with the coronavirus, including more than 1,300 in Mexico alone, the most for any country, Amnesty International said Thursday. → https://is.gd/vT7Kik | 11:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: UK’s record on pandemic deaths: The grim daily count of covid-19 deaths in the UK is nearing single digits.1 Although what’s around the corner is unpredictable, it’s timely to take stock after the recent tsunami of deaths.Evidence... → https://is.gd/fANs1g | 11:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: More universities send students home; Fauci confident in vaccine approval process → https://is.gd/6R9qrZ | 12:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +405 cases (now 43532) since 19 hours ago — World: +12022 cases (now 26.6 million), +268 deaths (now 874930) since an hour ago — India: +3384 cases (now 3.9 million), +29 deaths (now 68598) since 5 hours ago — Indonesia: +3269 cases (now 187537), +82 deaths (now 7832) since a day ago | 12:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: New wave of medical 'deep tech' can help coronavirus response – but there's resistance: The development of new medical technologies based on cutting-edge discoveries has accelerated during the coronavirus pandemic and is helping us respond to the health crisis. But for these technologies to flourish, attitudes and scepticism [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HoMum2 | 12:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Data Suggests Women Leaders Performing Better on Coronavirus | RealClearScience → https://is.gd/kbNwke | 12:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Nepal: +1359 cases (now 44236), +14 deaths (now 271) since a day ago — World: +3819 cases (now 26.6 million), +65 deaths (now 874995) since 33 minutes ago — Romania: +1339 cases (now 92595), +47 deaths (now 3812) since a day ago — United Arab Emirates: +612 cases (now 72766) since a day ago | 12:51 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Sleep quality has declined since COVID-19 lockdown, particularly among those working from home (91 votes) | https://www.psypost.org/2020/09/sleep-quality-has-declined-since-covid-19-lockdown-particularly-among-those-working-from-home-57863 | https://redd.it/imar6a | 12:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: We Can't Fight COVID-19 on a Country by Country Basis: One undertaker sanitizes a tray while another fits the lid on a COVID-19 victim's coffin, Soweto, South Africa. → https://is.gd/DC0x3o | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Madrid struggles with Europe's acutest 2nd wave of pandemic: The Madrid regional government is further restricting family reunions and social gatherings to curb a sharp spike in confirmed coronavirus cases as schools are set to re-open, although officials said Friday that new infections in and around the Spanish capital were [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/DLoACj | 13:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Russia's potential coronavirus vaccine shows 'no serious adverse events' and creates antibody response: The Lancet → https://is.gd/LudkuU | 13:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Mindfulness techniques help teens reduce stress related to COVID-19: Researchers at Colorado State University have found that teens who practice mindfulness techniques show fewer signs of stress related to the COVID-19 pandemic than those who do not. → https://is.gd/ZIPiI8 | 13:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: Health workers dying at ‘horrific rates’; More universities send students home → https://is.gd/6R9qrZ | 14:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Libya: +672 cases (now 16445), +8 deaths (now 262) since a day ago — Palestine: +671 cases (now 25142), +3 deaths (now 170) since a day ago — World: +2011 cases (now 26.6 million), +19 deaths (now 875014) since an hour ago — Germany: +223 cases (now 249063) since 7 hours ago | 14:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: Patients with COVID-19 shouldn't have to die alone. Here's how a loved one could be there at the end → https://is.gd/mBbPSg | 14:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump's vaccine chief says unlikely one is ready by November → https://is.gd/jzZkmd | 14:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Russia's potential coronavirus vaccine shows 'no serious adverse' effects and creates antibody response: The Lancet study → https://is.gd/LudkuU | 14:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Trump's vaccine chief says unlikely one is ready by November → https://is.gd/jzZkmd | 14:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iraq: +5036 cases (now 252075), +84 deaths (now 7359) since 23 hours ago — World: +17037 cases (now 26.6 million), +380 deaths (now 875394) since an hour ago — India: +8116 cases (now 3.9 million), +84 deaths (now 68682) since 2 hours ago — Kuwait: +865 cases (now 88243), +1 deaths (now 537) since a day ago | 15:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: How pooled testing can increase access to essential laboratory tests in Africa: The COVID-19 pandemic tends to conceal other important health issues. One of these is the global target for reducing HIV infections and increasing access to treatment. Progress is well under way. In 2019, 67% of those living with HIV were receiving [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/lCJhcS | 15:14 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: UNC Researchers Publish Striking Images of SARS-CoV-2 Infected Cells (82 votes) | http://news.unchealthcare.org/news/2020/september/unc-researchers-publish-striking-images-of-sars-cov-2-infected-cells | https://redd.it/im5ou2 | 15:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Why COVID-19 vaccines need to prioritize 'superspreaders': Once safe and effective COVID-19 vaccines are available, tough choices will need to be made about who gets the first shots. → https://is.gd/RwOJIV | 15:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: What to expect when COVID-19 meets flu season: The return of "hoodie weather" tells us autumn is just around the corner. So, too, is influenza season. And this year, the flu will overlap with COVID-19. → https://is.gd/w4Jzg9 | 15:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: No widespread coronavirus vaccination before mid-2021: WHO: The World Health Organization said Friday it did not expect widespread immunisation against the novel coronavirus until mid-2021, despite growing expectations in the US and beyond that a vaccine could be released within weeks. → https://is.gd/7sST2p | 15:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Chief of U.S. vaccine initiative says October timeline 'extremely unlikely, but not impossible': The chief adviser for the White House vaccine program said Thursday it was "extremely unlikely, but not impossible" that a vaccine could be available by the end of October. → https://is.gd/5YzjXj | 16:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 hotspots projected with new website: A new website uses reported cases and deaths to estimate the probability regions in England and Wales will become COVID-19 "hotspots." → https://is.gd/bBX4AT | 16:11 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 340411 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 45712 deaths (13.4% of cases) as of 7 minutes ago. 18.3 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 precautions extend to car seats, seat belts: Face masks and hand-washing are a good start, but to protect your kids from the coronavirus you'll need to up your game on the road, too, a leading pediatricians' group says. → https://is.gd/8VTQ4K | 16:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Surgical glove makers struggle to keep pace with booming demand: With no end in sight to the coronavirus pandemic, worldwide demand for surgical gloves—as for other types of personal protective equipment—is booming, leaving manufacturers struggling to keep up. → https://is.gd/Dw6y7O | 16:41 |
| LjL | de-facto: not sure if they are corrections or glitches but there are negative data points in offloop data, look at Spain for instance. Brainstorm just ignores the negative deltas and doesn't announce them | 16:53 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Investigational COVID-19 vaccine candidate prevents severe clinical disease in animals (88 votes) | https://www.bidmc.org/about-bidmc/news/2020/09/covid-19-vaccine-candidate-prevents-disease-animals | https://redd.it/imfdy3 | 16:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Moderna slows coronavirus vaccine trial enrollment to ensure minority representation, CEO says: Minorities, the elderly and people with underlying health conditions are at highest risk of Covid-19, and are being prioritized for enrollment in large vaccine trials. Moderna's CEO said the company is slowing enrollment in its trial to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QIarY5 | 17:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Unconventional T cells in severe COVID-19 patients could predict disease outcome: Researchers in France have discovered that patients suffering from severe COVID-19 show changes in a class of immune cells known as unconventional T cells. The study, published today in the Journal of Experimental Medicine (JEM), suggests that [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tTGzVR | 17:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Israel cases surge, South Africa slows: a week in COVID-19: An increase in cases in Israel, France and Indonesia, a decline in South Africa: here is a weekly roundup of developments in the coronavirus crisis: → https://is.gd/c6vbHY | 17:20 |
| de-facto | LjL yeah not sure how to deal with negative case counts yet | 17:25 |
| de-facto | i mean what does ignoring mean in terms of numbers? set them to 0 or 1 or use abs() or such? | 17:26 |
| LjL | i bet Trump is happy that Moderna is *slowing down* their trial to cater for minority, after he had the CDC push for a November data :P | 17:26 |
| de-facto | i think they are corrections due to glitches or human error, e.g. they could be seen as "correcting patches" for accumulated numbers or such | 17:27 |
| LjL | de-facto, if you're doing it to calculate an R, and you're only using about 4 days for each part of the fraction, i think ignoring them or using 0 or 1 would make the result very wonky... using abs() seems very arbitrary, on the other hand | 17:27 |
| de-facto | yeah maybe i just use the negative cases in the sum as they are provided, but what if the whole sum becomes negative due to too many such contributions (e.g. for low numbers)? | 17:28 |
| LjL | de-facto, maybe if a day is "missing" (0 or negative) in the denominator, you could remove a day from the numerator too, or vice versa | 17:29 |
| LjL | at least as long as there's still *something* in the denominator :P | 17:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Labor Day weekend sets stage for pandemic's fall phase; Roche test wins U.S. approval → https://is.gd/jzZkmd | 17:29 |
| LjL | de-facto, i don't think you should use the negative numbers either, as yes they represent corrections but they have nothing to do with *that* day containing a negative number of cases, and you're trying to approximate something that actually counts how many cases there were on a given day | 17:29 |
| de-facto | denom vanishes esp at the beginning sometimes | 17:29 |
| LjL | i guess in this situation, Spain's otherwise very dubious counting method helps | 17:30 |
| LjL | i.e. giving you the new patients in the past 24 hours instead of "all the tests that came in today" | 17:30 |
| LjL | de-facto, yes i saw you ask that question earlier, but i think if the denominator is vanishing, you don't really have a way to get sensible output | 17:30 |
| LjL | garbage in garbage out. if there is a relatively high number of cases at the numerator but almost none at the denominator, it means testing was not really happening yet, which in turn means the data is garbage | 17:31 |
| de-facto | i want to do some convolution with a gaussian kernel on the time series data (smoothing), so it cant have NaN entries in there | 17:31 |
| de-facto | yes vanishing denominator causes unnatural "spikes" in R in low case time series, when those spikes become poles the denominator completely vanished | 17:32 |
| de-facto | looks ugly and also is a problem with the graph autoscaling to the huge wild fluctuations in R esp at the beginning of time series | 17:33 |
| de-facto | the thing is those spikes or poles are nonsense, their information is bases on such few cases that the estimate is garbage | 17:33 |
| de-facto | hence the fewer cases in such a rolling sum, the less certain the output results | 17:34 |
| de-facto | but i need a continuous way to correct the "garbage" to something that fits best into the context of the neighboring data where more cases give a more certain estimate | 17:36 |
| de-facto | i tried adding a small constant to both rolling sums | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Watch live: The World Health Organization holds a press briefing on the coronavirus pandemic as nations race to develop vaccine → https://is.gd/UHv1Si | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: The U.S. must do some heavy lifting to prepare for heritable genome editing: While heritable genome editing is different than Covid-19 and racial injustice, it also transcends individual countries, deserves wide-ranging discussion, and raises important equity implications. → https://is.gd/0vKbOt | 17:49 |
| LjL | de-facto: maybe smooth it by having a rolling average where the amount of rollingness depends on how flimsy the denominator is (weight it by a Gaussian of nearby data maybe, and change the sigma of it) | 17:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus case numbers 'remain unchanged' in England: Despite local outbreaks, household tests suggest the level of the virus was stable during August. → https://is.gd/GrexMm | 17:59 |
| de-facto | LjL hmm thats an interesting approach, yet i would have to investigate the impact of such an effect on the value | 18:00 |
| de-facto | acutally i was thinking about replacing the rolling sums with a gaussian convolution on the time series, like a "probe" with adjustable sharpness for a specific point in time | 18:01 |
| de-facto | also i was thinking why not make the pair of probes symmetric to the pivot point for which the R would have to be calculated (instead of just taking the past into account) | 18:02 |
| de-facto | but again i am not sure about the impact of that, have to try it and observe | 18:02 |
| LjL-Matrix | Ugh more than 1700 today | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +1732 cases (now 274644), +11 deaths (now 35518) since 23 hours ago — World: +68579 cases (now 26.7 million), +976 deaths (now 876370) since 3 hours ago — India: +45165 cases (now 4.0 million), +532 deaths (now 69214) since 3 hours ago — Brazil: +8324 cases (now 4.1 million), +193 deaths (now 124922) since 15 hours ago | 18:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Watch live: The World Health Organization holds a press briefing on the coronavirus pandemic as nations race to develop vaccine → https://is.gd/UHv1Si | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Childcare crisis: Women may be forced to leave workforce amid the pandemic, survey finds → https://is.gd/SZa7Lj | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Key coronavirus forecast predicts over 410,000 total U.S. deaths by Jan. 1: 'The worst is yet to come' → https://is.gd/n8r3fM | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Most people likely won't get a coronavirus vaccine until the middle of 2021: Whichever vaccine wins regulatory authorization, it will likely be in short supply once it's cleared for public distribution, officials and experts warn. → https://is.gd/zSRf0O | 18:38 |
| LjL-Matrix | Many positives in Lombardy but by far a record amount of tests, 27000... Usually when they have many it's around 10k | 18:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Post-COVID syndrome severely damages children's hearts: Multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children (MIS-C), believed to be linked to COVID-19, damages the heart to such an extent that some children will need lifelong monitoring and interventions, said the senior author of a medical literature review published Sept. 4 in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/sv1gVy | 18:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Czechia: +491 cases (now 26943), +3 deaths (now 429) since 16 hours ago — World: +22504 cases (now 26.7 million), +396 deaths (now 876766) since 48 minutes ago — Spain: +10476 cases (now 498989), +184 deaths (now 29418) since a day ago — US: +8683 cases (now 6.4 million), +149 deaths (now 191392) since 48 minutes ago | 18:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Moderna slows coronavirus vaccine trial enrollment to ensure minority representation, CEO says: Minorities, the elderly and people with underlying health conditions are at highest risk of Covid-19, and are being prioritized for enrollment in large vaccine trials. Moderna's CEO said the company is slowing enrollment in its trial to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QIarY5 | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Labor Day weekend sets stage for pandemic's fall phase; Roche test wins U.S. approval → https://is.gd/jzZkmd | 19:07 |
| de-facto | LjL-Matrix, some travelers or holiday returnees? | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: France reports daily COVID cases record of nearly 9,000: France registered nearly 9,000 new coronavirus cases over the past 24 hours, the highest daily figure since the pandemic swept into the country last March, the country's health agency said Friday. → https://is.gd/Y16pTB | 19:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Is your hand sanitizer safe and effective?: Washing with soap and water is the best way to rid your hands of visible dirt and mucus, which may contain viruses like the one that causes COVID-19. But, when on the go, using hand rub or liquid hand sanitizer is the second best option. → https://is.gd/XgsubM | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Facts about vaccines and what people need to know: Vaccines save lives. That's the message Dr. Priya Sampathkumar, an infectious diseases specialist at Mayo Clinic, wants the public to know. → https://is.gd/FMZ6tS | 19:46 |
| LjL | +1 to Medical Xpress for immediately pointing out that if you can, you should just wash your hands instead of wasting hand sanitizer | 19:47 |
| dormeusJes | course most including doctors don't wash hands correctly/effectively | 19:51 |
| LjL | i bet they won't be using hand sanitizer effectively either, after all it does too need to be distributed all around the hand | 19:52 |
| dormeusJes | yea we were taught@hospital to use a larger amount than might be expected | 19:57 |
| dormeusJes | I think the gel may be less complicated | 19:58 |
| LjL | i use very small amounts, they may not be effective, but i've sort of been conditioned to think that it's a scarce resource | 19:58 |
| LjL | even though honestly, right now it's easy to find | 19:58 |
| LjL | ah yeah i always use the gel | 19:58 |
| dormeusJes | there are some offbrands, in our local shops, there is also the issue of ETOH percentage, mine is 62% | 19:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Coronavirus grief: Coping with the loss of routine during the pandemic: It isn't easy adjusting to changes brought on by the pandemic. Consider how to deal with grief caused by the loss of your normal routine. → https://is.gd/0OxLRP | 20:05 |
| LjL | dormeusJes, our pharmacy made some gel with 70% isopropyl, seems okay | 20:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +33229 cases (now 26.7 million), +567 deaths (now 877333) since an hour ago — India: +21332 cases (now 4.0 million), +400 deaths (now 69614) since 2 hours ago — Botswana: +278 cases (now 2002), +2 deaths (now 8) since 4 days ago — US: +8266 cases (now 6.4 million), +86 deaths (now 191478) since an hour ago | 20:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT Plus: A second U.S. agency will review if Moderna disclosed federal funding in vaccine patents: A second U.S. government agency is now reviewing whether Modern properly disclosed millions of dollars in federally funded awards in patents and patent applications the company filed for its vaccines. → https://is.gd/a0ishq | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Key coronavirus forecast predicts over 410,000 total U.S. deaths by Jan. 1: 'The worst is yet to come' → https://is.gd/n8r3fM | 20:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Labor Day weekend sets stage for pandemic's fall phase; Roche test wins U.S. approval → https://is.gd/jzZkmd | 20:35 |
| LjL | de-facto, re earlier: i don't know, they don't disclose how many tests are done on returnees, at least not in any place i know about. they said about 2/3 of the positives were found in airports, but that's general, not about lombardy in particular, and dates from some days ago | 20:39 |
| LjL | <CarlSagan> [NYT - Science] Russians Publish Early Coronavirus Vaccine Results https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/04/health/russia-covid-vaccine.html 2020-09-04T18:25:29 | 20:40 |
| LjL | now the hunt for the actual Lancet paper... | 20:42 |
| LjL | %title https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext | 20:43 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.thelancet.com: Safety and immunogenicity of an rAd26 and rAd5 vector-based heterologous prime-boost COVID-19 vaccine in two formulations: two open, non-randomised phase 1/2 studies from Russia - The Lancet | 20:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Labor Day weekend will set the course for the coronavirus this fall: 'We may have some hard days ahead': The current outbreak in the U.S. combined with the holiday weekend have the makings of what Vanderbilt University infectious disease specialist Dr. William Schaffner described as an "accelerator weekend." → https://is.gd/9evf54 | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: Facebook’s Political Ad Ban Also Threatens Ability to Spread Accurate Information on How to Vote: by Jeremy B. Merrill for ProPublica ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. Facebook this week said it would bar political ads in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/2wJXks | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Coronavirus News Roundup, August 29-September 4: Pandemic highlights for the week -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/BbC5o3 | 21:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Labor Day weekend sets stage for pandemic's fall phase; Roche test wins U.S. approval → https://is.gd/jzZkmd | 21:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Q&A: Back-to-school mental health tips: Dear Mayo Clinic: My teenage son is looking forward to heading back to school this fall, especially after months of distance learning due to COVID-19. Sitting in front of the computer for hours was not easy for him. He says he's not worried about wearing a mask to school or sitting behind [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5W5rC5 | 21:33 |
| de-facto | 2/3 found in airports would at least suggest that traveling plays a significant role in current incidence | 21:39 |
| de-facto | its really hard to compare absolute numbers, i think even the epidemiologists would not just compare bare numbers but rather look at the contributions and dynamics of current prevalence in contrast to the first peak | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: NY keeps infection rate below 1%; Labor Day weekend sets stage for pandemic's fall phase → https://is.gd/jzZkmd | 21:43 |
| genera | you sound like christian D. in his current podcast ^^ | 21:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Fauci warns that Labor Day celebrations could drive Covid-19 spikes: Long weekends over Memorial Day and Independence Day drove spikes in Covid-19 cases. Anthony Fauci is hoping that won’t happen again over Labor Day. → https://is.gd/qvZbes | 21:53 |
| de-facto | genera, lool how did you know that i just listened to it? :D | 21:58 |
| genera | i started listening in the afternoon | 21:59 |
| de-facto | its really neat that he returned from summer pause and continues his podcast, i always download them with AntennaPod and listen to them while walking or running | 22:01 |
| genera | 1h 44m !!! | 22:02 |
| IndoAnon | ? | 22:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: After highest virus increase yet, Iraq warns it may 'lose control': Iraq on Friday recorded its highest single-day rise in COVID-19 cases since the start of the pandemic, prompting authorities to warn hospitals may "lose control" in the coming days. → https://is.gd/0R4fNg | 22:03 |
| IndoAnon | de-facto: have you read the paper for Israeli-russian vaccine? | 22:03 |
| genera | is the current length of the cast. i wouldnt run that long | 22:03 |
| de-facto | yeah it got the option to listen to it with 2x speed :) | 22:04 |
| de-facto | always do that :D | 22:04 |
| genera | oh which player? | 22:05 |
| de-facto | AntennaPod for Android | 22:05 |
| de-facto | https://f-droid.org/en/packages/de.danoeh.antennapod/ | 22:07 |
| de-facto | IndoAnon, not yet | 22:08 |
| IndoAnon | oh, ok | 22:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: UN: No vaccine to be endorsed before it's safe and effective: The head of the World Health Organization said the U.N. health agency will not recommend any COVID-19 vaccine before it is proved safe and effective, even as Russia and China have started using their experimental vaccines before large studies have finished and other [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/1C4k4p | 22:13 |
| IndoAnon | ok, done cutting the important bits of Israeli-russian vaxx | 22:29 |
| IndoAnon | de-facto: seems it doesn't protect you from day 1... | 22:30 |
| de-facto | of course not, vaccination needs time to build antibodies and cellular response just like with a infection too | 22:32 |
| metro | Is it a genome editing vaccine? | 22:38 |
| LjL | no vaccine to be endorsed... by the WHO, but meanwhile Russia has one, China has one, the US wants to have one by November, and so does the EU. so maybe only WHO members will not get a vaccine | 22:46 |
| LuxInterior | have you noticed lately, same tired Trope "do you know anyone who has died?" ; I continue to hear this I guess as a Covid is not so bad? or voiced in confusion that the media can't be trusted? | 22:48 |
| de-facto | afaik its a human Ad5 and Ad26 Adenovirus "hull" (with removed original RNA, hence cant replicate anymore in cells) into which the recipe for producing the SARS-CoV-2 S-protein was implanted: it can infect a cell once (but not replicate) and this cell will produce the SARS-CoV-2 S-protein (which is used to dock to ACE2 receptors). hence the immune system is provoked to build antibodies against that S-protein | 22:49 |
| de-facto | at least that is my (non expert) understanding of it | 22:49 |
| metro | You are saying they are editing the cells DNA? | 22:50 |
| de-facto | no | 22:50 |
| de-facto | the cells DNA will remain the same | 22:50 |
| metro | So the Moderna has a completely different type of vaccine then? | 22:51 |
| de-facto | i think so | 22:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 3 deaths, 147 coronavirus cases now tied to Maine wedding → https://is.gd/6bWC1L | 22:52 |
| de-facto | metro, if you want to read more about the different approaches I would recommend to read the blog of Derek Lowe, https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/06/29/coronavirus-vaccine-update-june-29 | 22:54 |
| de-facto | He nicely covers the "frontrunners" and also some lesser known vaccines, divided by type, with commentary | 22:54 |
| LjL | de-facto, i think i've seen that statement before :P | 22:56 |
| de-facto | yet remember its the view from 29 June, 2020, hence for example this current Russian publication was unknown then | 22:57 |
| metro | defacto, thanks! | 22:57 |
| de-facto | :) | 22:57 |
| metro | I'm not a student of the field so it's quite overwhelming | 22:57 |
| metro | I took it to be understood in the field that non-genome editing vaccines will not be effective | 22:58 |
| LuxInterior | https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/09/04/the-latest-covid-testing-sabotage/ | 22:58 |
| LjL | does Europe have any Moderna-type mRNA vaccine going on? i am not thrilled with the whole adenovirus idea | 22:58 |
| LuxInterior | LjL: any chance to add some progressive sources to brainstorm? | 22:59 |
| de-facto | LjL, CureVac and bioNTech for example | 23:00 |
| de-facto | metro, no its not genome editing, it produces an immune reaction by "simulating" an infection with SARS-CoV-2 without the danger of the real pathogen | 23:01 |
| LjL | i think you asked before, but i don't even really know what you mean by "progressive". i have ProPublica and The Atlantic, if those count. other than that, something needs to have an RSS or Atom feed with a reasonable amount of COVID-related article for me to be able to add it. honestly it is not my intention to add any politicized sources in the first place, though i guess i may be oblivious to what's politicized. | 23:01 |
| LjL | de-facto, ah, so CureVac is the one that there was the kerfuffle about, and yet they haven't even entered phase 1... BioNTech, i'm confused as to how much that's US or Europe... but i guess those companies can be complicated. Imperial also is similar according to Lowe | 23:05 |
| de-facto | afaik the original concept was done in research and innovation by those companies, afaik they collaborate for production/studies | 23:08 |
| LjL | de-facto, my fear is that some governments may freeze assets and get the vaccines for themselves. so by "European" i basically mean something where, physically, the vaccine doses are physically here, i guess | 23:08 |
| LjL | maybe there is no need to have such a fear, i know nothing | 23:09 |
| de-facto | thats why they make contracts in advance to secure a specific amount of doses | 23:10 |
| LjL | a contract is just a piece of paper. there were contracts to obtain PPE too, and yet, some of those PPEs were intercepted and requisitioned by countries they were going through | 23:11 |
| LuxInterior | LjL: yes understood, there is mediawatch for some take on a spectrum of reporting biases | 23:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Will long Labor Day weekend mean another coronavirus spike? → https://is.gd/jkvnIO | 23:12 |
| de-facto | no those companies will comply with the contracts, otherwise they risk their reputation and access to a very lucrative market | 23:12 |
| LjL | de-facto, i am sure the companies want to, but if a government is practically able to force their hand, they may not have a choice. those PPE, too, i'm sure the companies making them fully wanted to comply with the contract... | 23:13 |
| ryouma | i just saw exactly one message so this is totally out of context, but as i recommended atlantic and propublica i will say why. atlantic has extensive long-form covid coverage. propublica is not sponsored by ads and does investigative stuff. idk if their covid coveragte is any good. but it has the potential to be independent or investigative. idk what progressive means and i have to avoid politics as much as pos | 23:13 |
| ryouma | sible. there might be however good covid coverage from any political bias in principle, including progressive, and i personally would not mind if it is high quality. i think atlantic has been high quality. idk its political bias. it says america is crumbling a lot. idk about propublica. | 23:13 |
| ryouma | atlantic has been consistently pretty high quality imo and it doesn't seem to take a stand on the protests etc. | 23:14 |
| LuxInterior | maybe this: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pro-science/ | 23:15 |
| ryouma | ok i saw the prev message to this one. idk whether democracy now (presumably very biased, but possibly very pro-sciencei in areas where science is not being told) is desired or possible but it would have non-mainstream facts in it | 23:20 |
| ryouma | i mean not available normally | 23:20 |
| ryouma | i don't mean (but don't know whether it would be the case) non-mainstream as in crazy | 23:20 |
| metro | democracy now is pretty biased | 23:21 |
| metro | they would have attacked hydroclorixcol(sp?) presumably | 23:22 |
| LjL | i've used that fact checking link before, although i don't know much about it, but for instance i used it to verify Medical Xpress was passable, since i had just stumbled upon an interesting article on it. basically that's what i do, when i see an article and realize it's from a source i don't already have, if i remember, i look at adding it. but lately i've wanted to add medicine-specific sources if at all possible, because, like, when i had Guardian, it | 23:22 |
| LjL | just spouted out too much stuff, sometimes too specific to the UK | 23:22 |
| LjL | that site says WHO trustworthiness is "high" so i'm not sure it tells me much ;P | 23:23 |
| LuxInterior | yeah s'why was thinking despite my own leanings that "science" sounded possible | 23:24 |
| metro | well... I mean how do the rate the Lancet...O.o | 23:24 |
| LuxInterior | hope one can still agree why qualifies as science | 23:24 |
| ryouma | i would rate the lancet as needing thrown in the nearest garbage bin | 23:25 |
| LuxInterior | same people asking me "do I know anyone who have died?"; I have to explain risk/benefit to HCQ, it never ends | 23:25 |
| LjL | metro, Lancet is in the bot | 23:27 |
| LuxInterior | LjL: pubmed? | 23:27 |
| LuxInterior | which is itself just a index | 23:27 |
| metro | LjL, well it should be but the retraction scandal was still a huge red flag | 23:27 |
| LjL | LuxInterior, looks like not | 23:27 |
| de-facto | LjL, btw i am curious, what kind of bot is it, eggdrop or such? | 23:28 |
| LjL | metro, well... fwiw, i also added the feed of a retraction watch thing | 23:28 |
| metro | Nice | 23:28 |
| LjL | de-facto, jenni, old fork of phenny. ideally it would be sopel at least, but things are not ideal | 23:28 |
| ryouma | which retraction scandal? the lancet has at least 3 dispositive (as in should destroy its reputation until it dies) retraction scandals. | 23:28 |
| LjL | the bot doesn't often post stuff from Lancet or other medical sources as far as i can see. but i don't think there's much i can do about it. "media" sources just post much more often | 23:29 |
| ryouma | retraction watch is a good idea! | 23:29 |
| de-facto | it seems to work pretty well, hence my curiosity | 23:29 |
| ryouma | oh stat would be good | 23:29 |
| metro | ryouma, https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext | 23:29 |
| LjL | ryouma, although until recently it wasn't working, because the feed is 'https://retractionwatch.com/feed/' but somehow i had 'https://retractionwatch.com/' instead | 23:29 |
| LjL | ryouma, statnews? i have it | 23:29 |
| ryouma | great | 23:30 |
| ryouma | metro: can you summarize in one sentence? | 23:30 |
| ryouma | link not working in my client | 23:30 |
| LjL | i'll post the list of what i'm using again, as soon as i remember what that python pretty printer thing is | 23:30 |
| LuxInterior | metro: which retraction scandal | 23:30 |
| metro | ryouma, massive intellecutal and ethical lapse during the critical stages of a pandemic by a leading publication | 23:30 |
| ryouma | what about twiv / virology blog? | 23:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Cornell notches rise in COVID-19 cases, most linked to student athletes flouting anti-virus guidelines → https://is.gd/CVQfLo | 23:31 |
| ryouma | metro: that publication being lancet or lancet ironically taking down a different publication? | 23:31 |
| metro | it's a top Harvard journal which basically didn't even bother to review some of the most basic assertions | 23:32 |
| metro | for all practical purposes the research wasn't reviewed at all | 23:33 |
| LjL | https://paste.ee/p/LSrMz where a "*" in the title means everything from it will be posted, while without an "*" only entries containing the regex at the bottom will be posted | 23:33 |
| LjL | ryouma, aiui twiv is a podcast, i've always had it recommended but i don't really do podcasts, maybe they get a transcript later though but i haven't looked if there's a feed of that | 23:34 |
| ryouma | sounds like the lancet | 23:34 |
| ryouma | metro: ^ | 23:34 |
| LjL | metro, was it claimed to be peer-reviewed? a lot of stuff being published about COVID is ostensively not peer reviewed. i remember Lancet was criticized for lack of judgment but i've forgotten the specifics already tbh | 23:35 |
| LjL | oh i think i made a mistake :\ | 23:36 |
| LjL | that pastebin must be for an older version of the stuff | 23:36 |
| metro | unless a paper is released as a pre-print it's considered to have been peer-reviewed yes, in addition the Lancet would have editors | 23:36 |
| ryouma | (wakefield, pace, macchiarini, all not retracted for a long time or not yet retracted; extensive criticism of all of them, much of it peer-reviewed or by open letters by many scientists. chief editor of lancet, horton, has not been honest.) | 23:36 |
| LjL | have https://paste.ee/p/sNnbp instead | 23:37 |
| LjL | metro, well tons of papers are/were being released as preprints | 23:37 |
| LjL | i don't remember whether the one in question was | 23:37 |
| ryouma | ooc, is wsj on list? i think nyt is. | 23:38 |
| ryouma | both have had certain writers with good medical knowledge occasionally fwiw | 23:39 |
| LjL | ryouma, i don't think nyt is, as nyt generally paywalls me (or registration-walls me, or something equally annoying anyway) | 23:39 |
| ryouma | ah | 23:39 |
| LjL | i sometimes copypaste stuff from NYT manually from ##science where the bot does post it | 23:39 |
| LjL | when i can read it, anyway! | 23:39 |
| LuxInterior | LjL: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/rss/search/1rA3jDUv55FkQXF4YERqZnGiOvDt_AG5sJOCTM27KQxF3qeA3n/?limit=15&utm_campaign=pubmed-2&fc=20200904174008 | 23:40 |
| LuxInterior | https://www.nlm.nih.gov/pubs/techbull/ja20/ja20_pubmed_updated.html | 23:40 |
| LjL | ryouma, wsj also needs subscription for me, plus, it does have RSS feeds but no "Health", i'm not sure where health/medicine fits in their feeds | 23:41 |
| ryouma | hmm, pubmed would be good if only it weren't too many things | 23:41 |
| LjL | urgh stupid firefox | 23:42 |
| LjL | LuxInterior, do i understand correctly, that's a search for "coronavirus OR COVID19"? | 23:43 |
| LjL | covid-19, even | 23:43 |
| LjL | ryouma, if its search is decent and/or i can use Brainstorm's usual regex to filter it effectively, it may be fine | 23:44 |
| ryouma | or is it a reasonable amount? | 23:44 |
| ryouma | yeah it would be awesome | 23:44 |
| LjL | we shall see | 23:46 |
| LuxInterior | LjL: you can make any search you like and ->rss | 23:50 |
| LuxInterior | just under the search bar with the results | 23:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Taiwanese face mask manufacturer Carry Mask, a member of the "National Face Mask Team", imported masks from China and resold them as Taiwanese made → https://is.gd/pQhmsq | 23:50 |
| de-facto | Why does trying to access Supplemental Material on TheLancet result in ERR_TOO_MANY_REDIRECTS? | 23:55 |
| de-facto | makes a horrible redirection journey over elsevier hosts | 23:58 |
| LjL | LuxInterior, okay, i've done it, after adding a number of keywords and then tuning it down a bit until it seemed mostly reasonable... but still, within 15 or so articles (i've changed it to 20 but i can't make it too long or python's feedparser gets slow) there is SO much stuff. it might turn out to be overwhelming. but we'll see | 23:58 |
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