libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2020-09-11

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ryoumafor rubbing alcohol, is ethanol or isopropyl better?  does the denaturing leave residue?  i think in the usa denaturing is added to both ethanol and isopropyl but i am hoping to find plain 70% ethanol or plain 70% isopropyl online.  (i don't want residue or extra stuff that i might react to.)03:16
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tinwhiskersryouma: isopropyl is quite toxic but doesn't leave a residue itself03:43
ryoumatoxic?03:49
LjLyes, that's why they sell it without denaturating it03:50
LjLit's toxic on its own03:50
LjLdoesn't mean it's typically toxic in the ways rubbing alcohol is used, though03:50
LjLjust don't drink it. and in your case there may be additional precautions but idk03:50
tinwhiskersyou certainly shouldn't use it in hand sanitiser03:50
ryoumato drink?  to breathe in?  copared to ethanol?  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07979K6VD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_image_o01_s00 this would be an example?03:51
ryoumait does not mention a denaturant03:51
tinwhiskersdo not drink isopropyl03:51
tinwhiskersand avoid the vapours. it's toxic.03:51
ryoumathe don't use as hand sanitizer is disturbing, as one would normally get some on skin cleaning things, or if one used it because the hand sanitizer on offer is one you react to03:52
LjLtinwhiskers, wait, what?03:52
LjL"Hand sanitizers using active ingredients other than alcohol (ethanol), isopropyl alcohol, or benzalkonium chloride are not legally marketed, and FDA recommends that consumers avoid their use."03:52
LjLthis is from the FDA03:52
tinwhiskersthere was a bunch of hand-sanitiser that was recalled some time back because it had isopropyl in it.03:52
LjLit's saying that isopropyl is "in"03:52
LjLtinwhiskers, no, they were recalled because they had methanol in it03:52
tinwhiskersoh, was it methanol? ok03:52
LjLafaik methanol is a whole way more dangerous than isopropyl03:52
ryoumaso isopropyl on skin is no worse than ethanol on skin?03:53
LjLi don't know, but it's legally used in hand sanitizers03:53
ryouma(and vapors too)03:53
LjLas to vapors, i spray my masks with 70% isopropyl, and i'm not dead yet03:53
LjLymmv03:53
tinwhiskersyes, it's toxic. that seems like bad advice.03:53
tinwhiskersIt's rapidly absorbed through the skin03:53
ryoumai guess i am wondering if it is possible to get undenatured ethanol 70% anywhere03:54
ryoumaif it is safer03:54
ryouma(not for drinking)03:54
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ryoumareferring to which message? --- 18:53 <tinwhiskers> yes, it's toxic. that seems like bad advice.03:55
tinwhiskersfrom the FDA03:55
ryoumaLjL: 's mask cleaning?  that would presumably dissipate.  (although dunno if it harms mask.\)03:55
LjLryouma, but it's being sprayed near me at the time it is sprayed03:55
LjLsince i'm doing the spraying03:55
tinwhiskersOK, well apparently it is commonly used in hand sanitisers, but you'd do better to avoid it: Isopropyl alcohol is readily absorbed through the skin, so spilling large amounts of IPA on the skin may cause accidental poisoning. Small amounts of IPA on the skin is generally not dangerous, but repeated skin exposure can cause itching, redness, rash, drying, and cracking. Prolonged skin contact may cause corrosion.03:56
LjLtinwhiskers, what i can say is that i can spray my masks with denaturated ethanol, or isopropyl alcohol. the former has made me feel a little sick, the latter doesn't. i would ideally spray them with non-denaturated ethanol, but that just happens not to be legal to sell (except at extortionate liquor price) in my country, as in most countries03:56
tinwhiskersoh, sure, if the ethanol is denatured with something worse than isopropyl then the isopropyl would be preferable.03:57
LjLtinwhiskers, "repeated skin exposure can cause itching, redness, rash, drying, and cracking. Prolonged skin contact may cause corrosion" is the reasons why hand sanitizer gels contain, well, gel, substances that moisten your skin. because all hand sanitizers would otherwise cause those skin issues (and partly cause them anyway)03:57
tinwhiskersno, absorbing ethanol won't cause poisoning, but it might still cause skin irritation.03:58
ryoumathe making LjL feel a little sick thing unlike ethanol is a little disturbintg03:58
tinwhiskersryouma: I think you got that backwards03:58
ryoumabut yeah who knokws what is going to be in denaturants03:58
ryoumaoh the former03:59
ryoumawell maybe we should get this stuff then03:59
ryouma(the avbove link)03:59
tinwhiskersif the option is denatured ethanol or pure isopropyl you're probably better with the isopropyl03:59
LjLryouma, you got that backwards04:00
LjLethanol (but denaturated) is what made me a little sick04:00
LjLtinwhiskers, those are the realistic options in most countries though, let's be pragmatic04:01
LjLwe can't all illegally distill pure ethanol in our backyard04:01
tinwhiskershence my last comment04:01
tinwhiskersfwiw it's not illegal to distil alcohol where I come from. I have a small lab still and a friend of mine has a massive still that can churn out 30 litres of 90% ethanol in a day.04:04
tinwhiskersI can only do a few litres04:04
tinwhiskersof course I don't have that with me here :-(04:05
ryoumaessential farm stuff?04:06
tinwhiskersnah, just because ethanol is handy to have.04:07
tinwhiskerswe can't buy ethanol that isn't denatured either but we can distil it.04:07
ryoumait sounds annoying to ahve to make your own though04:08
tinwhiskerswell, if I make bad batch of wine or beer I just distil it so it doesn't go to waste.04:08
tinwhiskersI don't use all that much ethanol so it's not something I do often.04:09
de-factojust to mention its fairly common to clean stuff with isoprop in electronic manufacturing (removing soldering residue etc), also it seems its contained in commercial sanitizing agents (e.g. 50% Ethanol 50% Isoprop (2-Propanol))04:14
tinwhiskersyeah, great for cleaning surfaces.04:14
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de-factoso most of the isoprop they sell probably is desired to not leave residue after evaporating04:15
tinwhiskersright, it doesn't leave a residue04:15
de-factothat would not be necessary for ethanol which may be burned in a stove or such04:15
tinwhiskersyou can get some residue from whatever impurities there were in your mix.04:16
de-factoyep04:16
tinwhiskersisopropyl is commonly used for extracting THC as well :-/04:17
tinwhiskersdoesn't seem like the safest method to me.04:18
de-factooh didnt know that, but when it leaves no residue should be gone after full evaporation then04:18
tinwhiskersyeah. if you have pharmaceutical grade 04:19
tinwhiskersI imagine a lot of people don't use that grade though04:19
de-factoit probably depends on the usage, if people try to get surfaces completely clean its one of the main requirements that it would not leave anything behind there04:20
tinwhiskersmmm yeah04:20
ryoumai presume both non-denatured ethanol and isopropyl in practice leave no residue, but that denatured ethanol does?04:22
tinwhiskersI guess if you need super-super lab-grade clean you need lab-grade isopropyl, which is not what you buy at the store.04:22
tinwhiskersryouma: depends what it's denatured with I guess04:22
tinwhiskersit it's denatured with methanol that won't leave any residue either, but they use a range of things04:23
ryoumafor medical purposes i do wonder about the care they take.  it is like the wild west.  i have read that butane is common to extract and an almost completely cbd brand works for opan while another one does not, suggesting something got remoeved or perhaps a difference in terpenes or something.04:24
de-factousually ethanol is mixed with 1% butanone (methyl ethyl ketone (MEK)), 1% isopropyl (2-propanol) and 10 ppm denatonium (denatonium benzoat)04:27
de-factomakes it undrinkable and tasting extremely bitter04:27
de-factothe latest ingredient is the most bitter chemical known today04:28
tinwhiskersheh. nice04:28
de-factoand thats also what is left behind as residue, so if you sanitize your hands with that and lick your fingertips they will taste extremely bitter04:30
tinwhiskersAh. I got a bottle of ethanol here that I think has that in it (just in case I ran out of hand sanitiser). That's worth knowing.04:31
tinwhiskersI could grab it and confirm but that would involve getting up and it doesn't really matter.04:31
de-factoprobably the other ingredients are included to prevent easy distillation purification efforts i guess04:32
tinwhiskersyeah04:32
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de-factoi wish one could buy pure 50% ethanol + 50% 2-propanol without anything else04:42
de-factoi hate it when they include perfume in hand sanitizes 04:43
jacklswit's for some people who want nicer smelling sanitizers04:44
de-factoyeah and then my hands smell like chemistry the next hours, i never liked artificial aroma to me it smells disgusting, i dont like to eat when my hands smell like that04:46
tinwhiskersyeah, ditto with that horrible antiseptic hand-wash.04:46
de-factoif they just provided pure alcohol it would fully evaporate away without leaving anything behind04:47
de-factoi mean its probably harmless, just an inconvenience and i dont understand their motivation to annoy people with that design04:48
de-factoprobably something like corporate identity, making people used to their specific smell of sanitizer04:52
ryoumasome use scented soap04:54
de-factofor the function itself it probably is irrelevant, its just me that i dont like that04:55
ryoumai don't either and there is residue and there are those who are chemically/fragrance sensitive05:00
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BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Adults with Covid-19 about 'twice as likely' to say they have dined at a restaurant, CDC study suggests → https://is.gd/12Y2xL05:36
Dyna%stats Victoria05:43
de-facto%cases Victoria05:43
Dynaoh thanks 05:43
Dynadoesnt look like its working :(05:43
de-facto%cases Australia05:44
de-factohmm05:44
de-factomaybe try later again05:45
Dynawill do 05:45
Dynathanks de-facto05:45
LjLBrainstorm!05:45
BrainstormLjL!05:45
LjLlooks like offloop.net is offline, that's my source05:46
LjLoh, so is tinwhiskers05:46
LjL!cases Victoria05:47
CovBotIn Victoria, Australia there have been a total of 19,739 cases as of 2020-09-10 05:05:03 UTC. Of these 19,038 (96.4%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 0 (0.0%) have definitely recovered and 701 (3.6%) have died.05:47
stinkpoti was missing tinny05:47
ryoumawhat is the base rate? --- 20:36 <Brainstorm> New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Adults with Covid-19 about 'twice as likely' to say they have dined at a restaurant, CDC study suggests → https://is.gd/12Y2xL05:51
de-factotwice as likely as whom?05:53
Dyna!stats Victoria05:53
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de-facto!australia05:57
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de-facto!corona today05:57
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de-facto!corona Victoria05:58
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ryoumaflorida vs. az vs. eu.  somebpdy please tell this to florida.05:59
ryoumahttp://www.offloop.net/covid19/?default=EU;Florida;Arizona&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&miscType=Reff05:59
de-factohmm today makes not really sense, it strongly depends on the reporting times i guess05:59
de-facto!corona yesterday05:59
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ryoumaor florida against asia and europe: http://www.offloop.net/covid19/?default=Asia;Europe;Florida&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&miscType=Reff06:01
de-factointeresting, so it looks like they are approaching each others06:01
ryoumadefine under control --- 20:56 <Brainstorm> New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Florida to reopen bars, pack restaurants after DeSantis claims COVID-19 under control → https://is.gd/DpDhgK06:02
ryoumade-facto: which are06:02
de-factoyour first comparison06:02
ryoumaflorida is still much worse than asia and europe06:02
ryoumaflorida is similar to az but delayed06:02
ryoumawhy are there no testing or percent of tests positve on offloop any more?06:03
ryoumajust no data?06:04
ryoumain the us this is critical becasue data are being manipulated06:04
ryouma(and testing)06:04
de-factobut at least the curves are converging at most recent point for EU;Florida;Arizona, yet the question is how comparable the testing and reporting is then06:04
ryoumaat state and federal level there are deep concerns.  also testing companies have enormous backlogs which get sometimes just dropped.06:05
de-factoryouma, click on alternative data source i guess06:05
de-factohmm but at the tail tests are 006:06
de-factoweird06:06
de-factosince 18th of August06:06
ryoumafl tests keep going down06:07
ryoumaso can we trust the curve at all?06:07
de-factoonly for all of US but not for individual states, seems reporting stopped since 18th Aug06:08
de-factoreporting number of tests that is06:08
ryoumaaz tests area lso going down jst like fl06:08
ryoumahuh06:08
de-factoso if you test less you find less06:08
ryoumaspain looks bad06:12
ryoumabut spain is testing06:13
ryoumareporting tests06:13
de-factoat least positive rate for tests in FL seems to go down, still high though should be below 1% https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/96dd742462124fa0b38ddedb9b25e42906:14
de-factoyeah spain and france look bad06:14
de-factounfortunately in spain also the fatalities are beginning to slowly raise again06:14
de-factoso France is at ~180% of its first peak, Spain at ~113% of its first peak06:23
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ryoumaso if fl tested as much as spain then what would the curve look like06:30
ryoumaper capita06:31
de-factothats not so easy to estimate because it strongly depends on their test targeting strategy06:32
ryoumaare cases defined as single tests?  nothing to do with symptoms or diagnoses?06:34
de-factoits not only "the more you test the more you find" its also "the better targeted you test the more likely you find cases among the tests"06:35
de-factoa detected case is a positive result for current presence of SARS-CoV-2 RNA06:35
de-factosome countries also include antibody tests (not sure but i think Japan did that for some time)06:36
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ryoumai thought it was common for some jurisdictions to screw around with including antibodies with pcr and not06:37
de-factomaybe in the future also the antigen tests may be included (e.g. tests binding to the outer hull s-protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virion), but their positive outcome would imply the same positive result for testing against presence of the RNA06:37
ryoumafragments of dead virus are cleared quickly?06:38
de-factonot really, afaik infectiousness declines fast in the week after symptom onset, but viral shedding (of inactivated virions) can last much longer, especially in the feces 06:39
ryoumaso then the antigen tests might vary from pcr?  where am i confused?06:40
de-factobecause of much less sensitivity the antigen tests may test for infectiousness status rather than the much more sensitive pcr rna tests which may detect the virus already prior to being infectious06:41
de-factoyes with antigen tests i mean those cheap "pregnancy" like tests with one testing and one control stripe, you drop a bit of the sample on them, they contain "antibodies" attaching to the virions surface, those antibody with virions will attach to a second kind of antibodies on the test stripe and the pure antibodies without virions will attach to a third kind of antibodies on the control stripe06:43
de-factoso if you see the control stripe showing you know that the liquid contained the test antibodies (hence test functions correctly), if in addition the testing stripe shows then due to virions bound to it06:44
de-factomuch less sensitive but if positive for sure a sign of infectiousness status06:45
ryoumawhy could it not be a dead virion?06:45
de-factocan you rephrase?06:45
de-factowhat could not be a dead virion?06:46
ryoumabrain notg wokring well but you seem to say the antigen test is saying you are infectious.  but perhaps it is just picking up viral fragments or inactivated viruses06:46
de-factovirions usually attach to cells with their receptor binding domain, and thats also what those tests are using as far as i know06:47
de-factothats also where the body attaches the antibodies to the virion, to block that receptor binding domain06:47
de-factoessentially blocking the docking of the spikes06:47
de-factoto cells ACE2 receptor06:47
ryoumabut is that the only means of deactivsation?  there isn't swallowing and spitting out pieces of it wor whatever?06:47
ryouma(deactivation in loose sense)06:48
de-factohmm i guess there is more functionality involved in a full infection, but the outer hull probably is the first of those functionalities which may get damaged?06:49
de-factoafaik for PCR tests detection of RNA fragments can lead to a positive test result while it may come from inactivated "damaged" virions not able to infect cells anymore06:50
de-factostill its a strong indication that some may possibly still be infectious, its all a question of probabilities06:50
de-factoafaik to really determine the infectiousness status one would have to try to infect a cell culture with samples in vitro06:51
de-factoryouma, i am curious, is it already possible/common to buy some of those cheap antigen quicktests that look like pregnancy tests in USA?06:55
ryoumano idea06:55
ryoumaarticles say that billionaires move to the states with lowest cases per capita and throw huge parties with nurses administering quick tests but htey could get them by means other than walking into walmart06:56
de-factoi think it could be a game changer if they sell those for low prices in large quantities e.g. for 1$ each in supermarkets or such06:56
ryoumacould help06:56
de-factojust imagine everyone could test oneself in privacy every day06:57
ryoumaalso the thing you or somebody mentioned about all costs paid for and everybody knows it so nobody fails to get treated06:57
de-factoif a test becomes positive, dont you think those people would stay at home 06:57
de-factoeven if not telling anyone06:57
ryoumaidk06:57
ryoumamany would06:57
ryoumabut the usa is creeping me out more and more06:57
de-factothe majority already would be enough06:57
ryoumathe world is06:57
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ryouma^ deal with it to keep the pandemic under control.  i ahve been under the equivalent of lockdown for approx 30 years.06:58
ryoumabedridden and housebound hear these stories about this stuff and just kind of try to have sympathy even though they never get sympathy07:00
de-factoif limited resource such tests also first could be targeted at potential cluster situations07:05
de-factosuppose an reproduction of R=2 for a group of 10 carriers: 9 of those produce each one new infection in a linear infection chain (neither ending nor starting new chains), but the 10th causes 11 new infections by starting 10 additional infection chains: in sum 10 carriers caused 20 new infections but all increase emerged from that last cluster starting 10 new infection chains07:07
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de-factothats called overdispersion and its suspected to play a big role in SARS-CoV-2, the probability for divergence from the average reproduction07:08
de-factoso if that cluster could be controlled by targeting containment efforts on preventing that starting of 10 new infection chains by just one case the whole example would collapse to an endemic one: each of the 10 carriers only cause 1 infection, hence 10 carriers cause 10 infections, no increase no decline07:10
de-factoso the whole difference between R=2 and R=1 would be controlling that super spread cluster07:11
de-factothat would be preventing the exponential increase (R=2) by only controlling 10% of the carriers (the super spreader) with the result to wrestle the replication down to endemic state (R=1) for the sum over all carriers (90% of them  left unaffected by containment measures)07:15
de-factoadmitted thats an artificial example but it demonstrates the potential impact of controlling reproduction by cluster situations, how much contribution emerges from those is still unknown and probably strongly depends on local circumstances07:16
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BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: N.F.L. Season Starts With Eyes on Anthem and Pandemic → https://is.gd/InvtUh08:18
BrainstormUpdates for Georgia: +87 cases (now 1917) since a day ago — World: +353 cases (now 28.4 million), +9 deaths (now 915223) since an hour ago — Uzbekistan: +248 cases (now 45927), +2 deaths (now 375) since an hour ago — US: +18 cases (now 6.6 million), +3 deaths (now 196331) since an hour ago08:23
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Germany tests warning sirens for first time since end of Cold War → https://is.gd/3T2YHx08:28
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: India Likely Had 6.4 Million Covid Cases By May, Says ICMR's Sero Survey → https://is.gd/0qa2FW08:58
BrainstormUpdates for Hungary: +718 cases (now 10909), +1 deaths (now 631) since 22 hours ago — World: +1010 cases (now 28.4 million), +4 deaths (now 915227) since 57 minutes ago — Armenia: +177 cases (now 45503), +3 deaths (now 909) since 22 hours ago — Myanmar: +115 cases (now 2265) since 17 hours ago09:08
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Senate GOP COVID-19 Relief Bill Fails; Chances Of Bipartisan Deal Before Election Dim → https://is.gd/qO9uQG09:08
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Speaking quietly can reduce COVID spread, study finds → https://is.gd/1WqDa009:19
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Largest global vaccine confidence survey reveals hesitancy hotspots: Public confidence in vaccines varies widely between countries and regions around the world, with signs that public trust may be improving in parts of Europe, whilst several countries experiencing political instability and religious extremism are seeing growing [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/wwAaS309:29
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express: World: Global Coronavirus Updates, September 11: Latin America cases top 8 million; thousands defy Covid-19 norms at Trump’s rally → https://is.gd/WqhqJC09:49
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Hospitals brace for flu season and coronavirus double threat → https://is.gd/6oEABo10:00
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Poverty researchers: The corona pandemic is widening the gap between rich and poor → https://is.gd/BkZseT10:10
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Infection higher in hospital cleaners than ICU staff: report: Intensive care medics were significantly less likely to have been infected with COVID-19 than cleaners and other healthcare workers in departments deemed lower risk, according to a study of several British hospitals at the peak of the pandemic. → https://is.gd/lyxMMd10:20
AndreasKunstmannhttps://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/09/11/pers-s11.html10:20
Haley[mt][m]%cases frence10:21
BrainstormHaley[mt][m]: Sorry, frence not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name.10:21
Haley[mt][m]%cases France10:22
BrainstormHaley[mt][m]: In France, there have been 373078 confirmed cases (0.6% of the population) and 30816 deaths (8.3% of cases) as of 3 hours ago. 10.0 million tests were performed (3.7% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data.10:22
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Myanmar bans flights, travel from Yangon as virus spreads: Myanmar on Friday reimposed its toughest measures so far to control the spread of the coronavirus, banning travel out of the country's biggest city, Yangon, and grounding all domestic flights. → https://is.gd/PM2kCs10:30
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Opinion: Real-time gene sequencing can help control — and may someday prevent — pandemics: Real-time gene sequencing has great value now for fighting Covid-19. Continually analyzing DNA or RNA from the environment could detect potential outbreaks before they even get off the ground. → https://is.gd/NjfpUu10:40
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Spain reports record rise in coronavirus cases: 10,764 in 24 hours → https://is.gd/TeIWvP11:11
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: How Coronavirus Took Hold in North America and Europe: Early interventions were effective at stamping out coronavirus infections, but subsequent, poorly monitored travel allowed the virus to ignite major outbreaks in Europe and North America, according to a new study → https://is.gd/RB0CUg11:21
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Covid-19: Food and drink companies are exploiting pandemic to further their brands, analysis finds: “Unhealthy” commodity companies around the world are using the covid-19 pandemic for commercial gain in ways that could fuel future disease epidemics, a report has concluded.1Firms trading in... → https://is.gd/hC1ftK11:31
BrainstormNew from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Fever confusion: How to tell apart COVID-19 and the common flu? → https://is.gd/yZk3E911:41
BrainstormUpdates for World: +20865 cases (now 28.5 million), +312 deaths (now 915539) since 2 hours ago — Malaysia: +182 cases (now 9810) since 21 hours ago — Russia: +5504 cases (now 1.1 million), +102 deaths (now 18365) since a day ago — India: +4312 cases (now 4.6 million), +32 deaths (now 76336) since 4 hours ago11:54
BrainstormUpdates for Slovenia: +108 cases (now 3497) since 21 hours ago — World: +5230 cases (now 28.5 million), +161 deaths (now 915700) since 20 minutes ago — Iran: +2313 cases (now 397801), +115 deaths (now 22913) since 21 hours ago — Romania: +1391 cases (now 101075), +35 deaths (now 4100) since 21 hours ago12:09
BrainstormNew from ProPublica: New Research Shows Disproportionate Rate of Coronavirus Deaths in Polluted Areas: by Lylla Younes , ProPublica, and Sara Sneath ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. This article was produced in partnership with The Times-Picayune [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/mziNHI12:22
BrainstormUpdates for United Arab Emirates: +931 cases (now 77842) since 20 hours ago — World: +1284 cases (now 28.5 million), +2 deaths (now 915702) since 23 minutes ago — US: +267 cases (now 6.6 million), +1 deaths (now 196332) since 4 hours ago — Uganda: +86 cases (now 4377), +1 deaths (now 49) since 22 hours ago12:24
BrainstormNew from BMJ: Covid-19: the humanities and social sciences have much to contribute to beating this pandemic and the next: The potential for the humanities and social sciences to contribute greatly to tackling covid-19 merits consideration.1 This could be where the most important academic advances arise, as better... → https://is.gd/qPnl4L12:32
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: FDA chief won't overrule scientists on vaccine; AstraZeneca delay 'wake-up call' → https://is.gd/BY85BH12:42
BrainstormUpdates for Switzerland: +528 cases (now 46239) since 21 hours ago — World: +571 cases (now 28.5 million), +1 deaths (now 915703) since 35 minutes ago — Malta: +43 cases (now 2247), +1 deaths (now 15) since 22 hours ago — China: +18 cases (now 88134) since 22 hours ago12:54
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Is the cure worse than the disease? The hidden harms of the Covid-19 lockdowns → https://is.gd/7RbPU413:13
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Immune cell responses in COVID-19 patients far from optimal: Melbourne researchers have discovered that killer T cells, key immune cells in fighting viral infections, are present at much lower levels in people with COVID-19, compared to influenza or glandular fever. → https://is.gd/lyKHLm13:23
BrainstormUpdates for Nepal: +1454 cases (now 51919), +5 deaths (now 322) since 21 hours ago — World: +1751 cases (now 28.5 million), +5 deaths (now 915708) since 42 minutes ago — Qatar: +235 cases (now 121287) since 23 hours ago — Senegal: +43 cases (now 14193) since 23 hours ago13:24
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Estimating the cost of widespread COVID-19 testing of higher-risk groups: Actively testing large groups of people at increased risk of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) could be a component of Canada's strategy to get people safely back to school and work, finds new research published in the Canadian [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/dq8LML13:33
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Two Swiss care homes hit by virus outbreaks: Ninety people have tested positive for COVID-19 and eight have died in two care homes in central Switzerland in two of the largest outbreaks seen in retirement facilities, local authorities said. → https://is.gd/svn8f013:43
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Russian schools reopen with masks, class limit precautions: Russian children have returned to schools after attending classes online since the coronavirus pandemic swept the country in late March. → https://is.gd/oKRwrH13:53
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Study finds India missed early cases, lockdown was leaky: Results of India's first nationwide study of prevailing coronavirus infections found that for every confirmed case detected in May, authorities were missing between 82 and 130 others. → https://is.gd/muewGe14:04
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: How Coronavirus Took Hold in North America and Europe: Early interventions were effective at stamping out coronavirus infections, but subsequent, poorly monitored travel allowed the virus to ignite major outbreaks in Europe and North America, according to a new study (82 votes) | https://news.arizona.edu/story/how-coronavirus-took-hold-north-america-and-europe | https://redd.it/iqmwmv14:19
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Israel reportedly heads for second nationwide lockdown; Heathrow reports 81.5% drop in travelers → https://is.gd/hnOKYg14:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: As states lift restaurant restrictions, CDC report links dining out to increased Covid-19 risk: People who tested positive for Covid-19 were more than twice as likely to report eating or drinking at a bar or restaurant in the past two weeks. → https://is.gd/Ol211a14:34
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Israel reportedly heads for second nationwide lockdown; Heathrow reports 81.5% drop in travelers → https://is.gd/hnOKYg14:44
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: Coronavirus cases on the rise in the UK: New estimates show cases increasing since the end of August, particularly among young people. → https://is.gd/Cbst1c15:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Israel reportedly heads for second nationwide lockdown; Heathrow reports 81.5% drop in travelers → https://is.gd/hnOKYg15:15
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: UK epidemic growing as R number goes above 1 → https://is.gd/Cbst1c15:25
liamolua*cough cough*15:27
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Batch testing and contact tracing are the two keys to stop the lockdown yo-yo: Back in March and April, I (and many other economists) argued for lockdowns to get COVID-19 infections under control and to give health systems time to put in place testing and tracing regimes to contain the virus in the longer term. → https://is.gd/D0Oxaa15:35
Jigsy%cases UK15:36
BrainstormUpdates for Portugal: +687 cases (now 62813), +3 deaths (now 1855) since 21 hours ago — World: +27916 cases (now 28.5 million), +343 deaths (now 916051) since 2 hours ago — India: +21051 cases (now 4.6 million), +177 deaths (now 76513) since 3 hours ago — Libya: +969 cases (now 21908), +13 deaths (now 352) since 23 hours ago15:36
BrainstormJigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 358138 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 45712 deaths (12.8% of cases) as of a minute ago. 18.3 million tests were performed (2.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.15:36
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: New England Journal of Medicine: Universal masking may positively contribute to immunization of population by reducing viral load of individual exposures (83 votes) | https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2026913 | https://redd.it/iqny0n15:50
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Dashboard reveals COVID-19's impact on Californians' jobs, mental health: With more than 13,000 deaths and more than 712,000 confirmed cases in California alone, the COVID-19 pandemic has already had profound and lasting effects on the nation's most populous state. → https://is.gd/cigqMV16:05
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Vaccination: Research raises questions about how eager people will be to receive COVID-19 vaccine → https://is.gd/GRK6Gq16:16
BrainstormUpdates for World: +7897 cases (now 28.5 million), +115 deaths (now 916166) since 50 minutes ago — Myanmar: +157 cases (now 2422) since 7 hours ago — India: +4756 cases (now 4.6 million), +33 deaths (now 76546) since 50 minutes ago — Chile: +1866 cases (now 430535), +69 deaths (now 11850) since 22 hours ago16:24
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: Fraternities blamed for campus coronavirus outbreaks as universities struggle to keep students in class: Universities across the country have reported growing Covid-19 cases in fraternity houses, threatening their surrounding communities and plans to bring students back to campus. → https://is.gd/3z2TQP16:26
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Just how reliable are COVID-19 tests? Experts weigh in: You're feeling pretty darned sick—headache, fever, fatigue, a cough—but your COVID-19 test came back negative. → https://is.gd/fSuMyr16:36
JigsyUK's R rating >1 apparently...16:37
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: What to expect from a COVID-19 vaccine: One of the hottest topics around COVID-19 is the need for a vaccine for this new disease, which has had a huge impact on both human health and economies. The disease caught most people completely by surprise and shows no signs of disappearing naturally. In many ways the consideration of [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/8AjX3W16:46
de-factoJigsy, yes no wonder the curve of daily new infections raises quite sharply in UK  http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&miscType=Reff16:48
JigsyYup.16:48
JigsyWon't be long before lockdown 2: Electric Boogaloo.16:49
JigsyI should really pop to the bank before then.16:49
JigsyNeed to cash some winnings.16:49
JigsyAnd withdraw some money.16:49
de-factoI am curious about the reasons behind the second wave in most European countries, is it travelers seeding new infection chains or young and healthy not caring about containment requirements anymore?16:50
BrainstormUpdates for Trinidad and Tobago: +345 cases (now 3043), +2 deaths (now 45) since 15 hours ago — World: +12609 cases (now 28.5 million), +161 deaths (now 916327) since 40 minutes ago — India: +9464 cases (now 4.6 million), +130 deaths (now 76676) since 40 minutes ago — US: +2614 cases (now 6.6 million), +21 deaths (now 196366) since an hour ago16:54
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: England's second city tightens restrictions as virus spikes: Households in England's second city, Birmingham, are being urged to stop socializing with others from Friday as part of a dramatic tightening of coronavirus restrictions in the wake of a sharp spike in new confirmed cases. → https://is.gd/MTSRGj16:56
de-factois there anything known about the origin of current contributions to daily incidence, something like statistics about suspected location of infection origin (which would be of interest for targeted containment)?17:00
BrainstormUpdates for World: +3104 cases (now 28.5 million), +14 deaths (now 916341) since 20 minutes ago — US: +2142 cases (now 6.6 million), +10 deaths (now 196376) since 20 minutes ago — P.A. Bolzano, Italy: +26 cases (now 3063) since 23 hours ago — Israel: +1185 cases (now 148564), +4 deaths (now 1090) since 5 hours ago17:09
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Raising awareness about men's health equity and structurally based risks for COVID-19: Reports of COVID-19 deaths do not often provide a full explanation of patterns, tending to focus on people's race or ethnicity, where they lived and with whom, whether they were affluent or poor, elderly or young, women or men—one factor at [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/PGZKTB17:16
JigsyIn fairness, the UK never took this seriously anyway.17:19
JigsyAnd still don't.17:19
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Greek life blamed for virus spread as universities become the latest hotspots → https://is.gd/hnOKYg17:26
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Virus spiking in eastern Europe; Hungary drafts 'war plan': The number of new confirmed coronavirus cases spiked Friday in parts of eastern Europe, with Hungary and the Czech Republic registering all-time daily highs. → https://is.gd/eQ02ly17:36
de-factoi thought UK would take it serious since numbers have been going down prior to current rebounce17:39
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Greek life blamed for virus spread as universities become the latest hotspots → https://is.gd/hnOKYg17:47
CoronaBot04/r/coronavirus: Fauci "depressed" U.S. can't get new coronavirus cases down: "We're still in the first surge" (10395 votes) | https://www.newsweek.com/fauci-depressed-new-coronavirus-cases-first-wave-1531223 | https://redd.it/iqq63e17:51
BrainstormNew from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus: UK epidemic growing as R number goes above 1 → https://is.gd/Cbst1c17:57
BrainstormUpdates for Friuli Venezia Giulia, Italy: +346 deaths (now 695) since 5 minutes ago — World: +16835 cases (now 28.5 million), +233 deaths (now 916574) since an hour ago — Iraq: +4254 cases (now 282672), +67 deaths (now 7881) since a day ago — India: +4152 cases (now 4.6 million), +68 deaths (now 76744) since an hour ago18:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Greek life blamed for virus spread as universities become the latest hotspots → https://is.gd/hnOKYg18:07
LjL"Greek life"18:07
Haley[mt][m]Here in France too IMHO.18:09
generamaybe greek wife, not greek life?18:14
BrainstormUpdates for Czechia: +909 cases (now 33322), +2 deaths (now 450) since 16 hours ago — World: +17919 cases (now 28.6 million), +199 deaths (now 916773) since 30 minutes ago — India: +15034 cases (now 4.6 million), +170 deaths (now 76914) since 33 minutes ago — US: +1729 cases (now 6.6 million), +23 deaths (now 196467) since 33 minutes ago18:20
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: Fraternities blamed for campus coronavirus outbreaks as universities struggle to keep students in class: Universities across the country have reported growing Covid-19 cases in fraternity houses, threatening their surrounding communities and plans to bring students back to campus. → https://is.gd/3z2TQP18:49
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Daily US virus deaths decline, but trend may reverse in fall: The number of daily U.S. deaths from the coronavirus is declining again after peaking in early August, but scientists warn that a new bout with the disease this fall could claim more lives. → https://is.gd/5DTALo18:59
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: COIVD-19: A barometer for social justice in New York City: In an editorial for the American Journal of Public Health, faculty from the CUNY Graduate School of Public Health and Health Policy (CUNY SPH) led by Dean Ayman El-Mohandes highlight the long-standing public health-related inequities among people of color in the United [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/u8db5319:09
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: COVID vaccine trials lack important study participants: Gwinnett County Transit driver Mikesha Walker talked to co-workers recently about whether they would participate in a COVID-19 vaccine research trial. → https://is.gd/4RnGtl19:19
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: U.S. coronavirus data is 'disturbing,' Dr. Fauci says, disputing Trump's claim that U.S. is 'rounding the corner': While the number of daily new cases remains far lower than the peak, the country is still reporting a worrying level of new infections, White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said. → https://is.gd/wnMzGx19:29
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Greek life blamed for virus spread as universities become the latest hotspots → https://is.gd/hnOKYg19:50
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: A closer look at COVID-19 and heart complications among athletes: Jules Heningburg was sprinting up hills and playing pick-up basketball about a month after being diagnosed with COVID-19. → https://is.gd/dIMx3a20:00
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Convalescent plasma is latest COVID-19 therapy: Richard Beckerson will never know whether it was convalescent plasma that made the lifesaving difference—or whether it was the antiviral drug remdesivir or a combination of both. → https://is.gd/qTJ4TY20:10
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Fauci concerned about current U.S. trends; universities become the latest hotspots → https://is.gd/hnOKYg20:30
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: NYC teachers refuse to enter Queens school building, criticize slow response to positive COVID-19 case → https://is.gd/TZvAcj20:51
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Fauci concerned about current U.S. trends; universities become the latest hotspots → https://is.gd/hnOKYg21:01
BrainstormUpdates for Morocco: +2430 cases (now 82197), +33 deaths (now 1524) since 23 hours ago — World: +91371 cases (now 28.6 million), +1501 deaths (now 918274) since 2 hours ago — India: +36196 cases (now 4.7 million), +592 deaths (now 77506) since 2 hours ago — Spain: +22554 cases (now 576697), +48 deaths (now 29747) since a day ago21:05
BrainstormNew from Scientific American: Health: Coronavirus News Roundup, September 5-September 11 → https://is.gd/gB9Zl521:11
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Resurgence of SARS-CoV-2 in England: detection by community antigen surveillance (88 votes) | https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/institute-of-global-health-innovation/public/Resurgence-of-SARS-CoV-2-in-England--detection-by-community-antigen-surveillance.pdf | https://redd.it/iqql3u21:16
BrainstormUpdates for World: +1734 cases (now 28.6 million), +43 deaths (now 918317) since 16 minutes ago — US: +1622 cases (now 6.6 million), +37 deaths (now 196853) since 16 minutes ago — Chad: +30 cases (now 1081) since 22 hours ago — Congo: +37 cases (now 4928) since 2 days ago21:20
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Fauci concerned about current U.S. trends; universities become the latest hotspots → https://is.gd/hnOKYg21:31
BrainstormUpdates for Jordan: +206 cases (now 2945), +1 deaths (now 21) since a day ago — World: +1264 cases (now 28.6 million), +4 deaths (now 918321) since 19 minutes ago — US: +867 cases (now 6.6 million), +3 deaths (now 196856) since 19 minutes ago — Germany: +191 cases (now 259720) since 3 hours ago21:35
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: Middle-aged individuals may be in a perpetual state of H3N2 flu virus susceptibility: Penn Medicine researchers have found that middle-aged individuals—those born in the late 1960s and the 1970s—may be in a perpetual state of H3N2 influenza virus susceptibility because their antibodies bind to H3N2 viruses but fail to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Ty5BJR21:52
goldnickhttps://youtu.be/opAyJt94Kmo 38COVID-911: From Homeland Security to Biosecurity - Corbett Report22:01
goldnick100% must watch22:01
bin_bash100% won't watch22:05
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: Kids caught the coronavirus at childcare centers and infected family members, CDC report says: "Transmission was observed from two of three children with confirmed, asymptomatic COVID-19," the researchers wrote, providing more evidence that those who do not have Covid-19 symptoms can still spread the virus. → https://is.gd/EwgY7222:13
BrainstormUpdates for World: +11608 cases (now 28.7 million), +259 deaths (now 918580) since 48 minutes ago — US: +8087 cases (now 6.6 million), +129 deaths (now 196985) since 48 minutes ago — Cabo Verde: +94 cases (now 4651), +1 deaths (now 44) since a day ago — South Africa: +1960 cases (now 646398), +113 deaths (now 15378) since 23 hours ago22:21
Jigsy%cases UK22:26
BrainstormJigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 361677 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 45712 deaths (12.6% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 19.3 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.22:26
IndoAnonLjL: any comments for https://archive.vn/BmIFr? 22:37
IndoAnon>On September 7, an open letter signed by twenty-six analysts, mainly based in Italy, cast doubt on Russia's vaccine, noting the discovery of "potential data inconsistencies" in the published research. The group claimed that the article had significant statistical anomalies. Following the letter, the journal's editorial board asked the developers of the Russian vaccine, dubbed Sputnik V, to reply.22:37
IndoAnon>"The Gamaleya Institute categorically rejects the accusations made by a group of scientists about the inaccuracy of statistical data published in The Lancet," Deputy Research Director Denis Logunov told Russian news agency RIA Novosti.22:37
IndoAnonare they legit "expert"? 22:38
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: U.S. coronavirus data is 'disturbing,' Dr. Fauci says, disputing Trump's claim that U.S. is 'rounding the corner': While the number of daily new cases remains far lower than the peak, the country is still reporting a worrying level of new infections, White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said. → https://is.gd/wnMzGx22:43
CoronaBot04/r/covid19: Cardiovascular Magnetic Resonance Findings in Competitive Athletes Recovering From COVID-19 Infection (80 votes) | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2770645?alert=article | https://redd.it/iqwect22:47
LjLIndoAnon: I have no idea, I haven't heard about that locally22:48
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: Kids caught the coronavirus at child care centers and infected family members, CDC report says: "Transmission was observed from two of three children with confirmed, asymptomatic COVID-19," the researchers wrote, providing more evidence that those who do not have Covid-19 symptoms can still spread the virus. → https://is.gd/EwgY7222:53
de-factoLjL IndoAnon possibly this link here, i dont know what to think about it https://cattiviscienziati.com/2020/09/07/note-of-concern/22:59
tinwhiskerstest (please ignore me)23:00
de-factoworkx™23:01
tinwhiskersah, that's better :-)23:02
tinwhiskerssomething had gone weird with the url checking thing23:02
BrainstormNew from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus live updates: Fauci concerned about current U.S. trends; universities become the latest hotspots → https://is.gd/hnOKYg23:03
IndoAnonhehe23:03
LjLde-facto: that website rings a bell although I'm not sure where i encountered it before23:19
de-factoi dont know anything about it, just googled for the text23:20
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus in Minnesota: social gatherings fueling rise in case numbers → https://is.gd/AofNhU23:33

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