| ryouma | enormous equalled 60,000 in july, with concerns that this was discouraging to those who would otherwise seek tests | 00:07 |
|---|---|---|
| LjL | ryouma, hmm, well, had it been 60000 now, it's "only" 6 days worth of backlog | 00:08 |
| LjL | but granted they were testing more per day in july | 00:08 |
| LjL | more than twice as much, >20k per day | 00:08 |
| LjL | article about Trump being worse than stated: "One salient piece of information is the oxygen levels in Mr. Trump’s blood. Doctors said his level was 96 percent while walking around on Saturday morning. Normal pulse oximeter readings usually range from 95 to 100 percent." "... although Mr. Trump’s levels were “not perfect,” some older people with other medical conditions can have levels around 96 percent when they are walking around." | 00:11 |
| LjL | so, i often have 96, and so do my parents, are we dying? or is the fact those statements seem slightly contradictory an indication i shouldn't infer medical information from media? | 00:11 |
| ryouma | that's not low i think | 00:11 |
| ryouma | hmm and attorney general office warned quest not to backlog tests. i wonder if that will affect reliability. https://www.azfamily.com/news/continuing_coverage/coronavirus_coverage/arizona-attorney-generals-office-warns-sonora-quest-after-covid-19-test-backlog/article | 00:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Chris Christie, who is suffering from coronavirus, has been hospitalized as a 'precautionary measure' - CNN → https://is.gd/tfLtYb | 00:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +29395 cases (now 35.2 million), +762 deaths (now 1.0 million) since an hour ago — Brazil: +17834 cases (now 4.9 million), +430 deaths (now 145985) since 3 hours ago — Colombia: +6582 cases (now 848147), +159 deaths (now 26556) since 17 hours ago — US: +3817 cases (now 7.6 million), +154 deaths (now 214243) since an hour ago | 00:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus death toll is heavily concentrated in Democratic congressional districts → https://is.gd/IWZLCW | 00:28 |
| ryouma | i sort of suspect the guy is not a troll but trying to reassure himself that his job behind plexiglass is ok | 00:37 |
| LjL | ryouma, i'm not in there right now, i am in a bad mood and thought i might snap. i know you probably comment here because you don't want to engage in there but let's not make one channel the backchat room for the other, if you want to vent, i take PM | 00:43 |
| dTal | ryouma: that's an interesting theory | 01:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Inside Amy Coney Barrett's Supreme Court nomination that helped spread the virus across the US government → https://is.gd/7TiqL9 | 01:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID has killed more than one million people. How many more will die? → https://is.gd/4s4eLX | 01:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New York City is 'on the edge of a precipice' as coronavirus cases grow, former CDC director says → https://is.gd/2r0qUD | 01:54 |
| LjL | ryouma, did you go to the dentist or are you letting them rot | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Inside the White House Event Now Under Covid Scrutiny → https://is.gd/hhdjSf | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: A 'herd mentality' can’t stop the COVID-19 pandemic. Neither can a weak vaccine. → https://is.gd/v3VRH0 | 02:15 |
| ryouma | i went but need to go again. need to find a better dentist. have narrowed down more or less but having touble deciding and making appt. | 02:18 |
| LjL | ryouma, at some point if you really have that much trouble deciding, toss a coin, but you can't have tooth decay just continue uncontrolled | 02:18 |
| LjL | you have heightened sensitivity to pain don't you? surely you don't fancy severe tooth pain | 02:19 |
| LjL | sorry to be harsh, but i think you know you "should have gone" what is it, weeks ago? months ago? i lose sense of time to be honest, but anyway, for quite a while | 02:20 |
| ryouma | i did go. office had big issues. i have severe bone loss and stuff that was supposedly filled has cavities. my question now is whether to take antibiotics until i can go or whether it is efven infected. erring on not taiking them but if i lose this one tooth which dentist said would last biut dud not, then chewing is a problem. | 02:24 |
| metro | no dentist for me I scraped my car and need autobody work | 02:24 |
| ryouma | if the data can be trusted then arizona is past its "cases level worse than italy and ny and everyplace else" peak so i should have less issue. i do have severe cognitive issues that are getting in the way and when stress drops i hope to have this figured out in the next few d. | 02:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: UK announces more than 10,000 daily cases for first time: Some 12,872 Covid cases are recorded, but a "technical issue" is blamed for contributing to the high figure. → https://is.gd/NttWft | 02:26 |
| LjL | ryouma, so you went... once, or twice? i knew you went once, but i thought this was a separate problem now | 02:27 |
| ryouma | a mobile dentist that had messed around with us long ago (not returning calls etc, not even giving promised diagnoses and x-rays but glad to take money for them) has contacted us and i might wsee them in a few days. but they have very bad covid policies. | 02:28 |
| ryouma | i went in spring twice and a monght ago once i think | 02:28 |
| ryouma | this is very bad for my body not covid-related | 02:28 |
| LjL | ryouma, i know, but so is having rotting teeth :\ | 02:28 |
| ryouma | yes i need it taken care of | 02:30 |
| ryouma | the mobile said they test thmselves once per month which is useless imo. i would be in a van (not an office). that would take less out of me not covid-related. but another denitst that you go to has likely better policies and equipment. | 02:30 |
| LjL | ryouma, if it were up to me i'd eschew the mobile. just feeling. | 02:30 |
| ryouma | 3 new cavities, old office had said no problems. one was one that i complained about in december a tthe time it was filled i felt a small hole and said is this a problem and was told no.... | 02:30 |
| LjL | 3 new cavities seems like a lot | 02:31 |
| ryouma | or was it in spring when he filled the others of what would be 8 total i am getting confused | 02:32 |
| ryouma | i want this filled not extracted and i thinka root canal would be a bad idea | 02:32 |
| LjL | ryouma, i think last time you mentioned this you said something about a dentist using UV in between patients | 02:33 |
| LjL | ryouma, well if a root canal is necessary, then it's either a root canal or an extraction, you can't just "not do" a root canal when it's required | 02:33 |
| LjL | of course if the dentist *says* it's required but it's not true, well, he's a fraud | 02:34 |
| LjL | but i hope that doesn't often happen | 02:34 |
| ryouma | she would be good for a non-mobile but she never does work on the same day of diagnosis which means taking more out of me | 02:34 |
| LjL | no exceptions? i assume you've discussed your situation to some extent | 02:34 |
| ryouma | i suspect my upper right was taken out and might not have had to be. that is the one that he did not give me the tooth. was partner of dentist who filled many in one visit. (filling many was for my sake but he booked through them fast.) | 02:35 |
| LjL | although to get good (and expensive) fillings when they are big (like when you've had a root canal), they need to be lab-made, anyway | 02:35 |
| LjL | so they physically cannot be, uh, installed, on the same day | 02:35 |
| ryouma | i am not doing the calling as i cannot talk on phone sop idk if exceptions | 02:35 |
| LjL | emails? | 02:35 |
| ryouma | my brain goes haywire trying to plan and send the email in contrast to how i might seem on irc when i am able to talk on irc. it would take me months. | 02:36 |
| ryouma | "just send it no big deal" is an obvious response that doesn't take into account my brain's actual workings in practice | 02:37 |
| LjL | well, the objective fact is that either you do it, or you trust someone else with doing it and with the results | 02:37 |
| ryouma | right | 02:37 |
| LjL | (or you just don't do anything until it's too late and a root canal or extraction actually is the only remaining option) | 02:38 |
| ryouma | anyway it is their policy. also they do some things only early in day, and that would take a lot out of me | 02:38 |
| ryouma | i have other dentist optioins and i am going to just decide among them i think while keeping this other one as a backup option | 02:38 |
| LjL | okay | 02:39 |
| LjL | just don't drag it out too long if at all possible | 02:39 |
| ryouma | right i don't want to at all | 02:39 |
| LjL | the longer, the worse your tooth/teeth will be | 02:39 |
| ryouma | yes, i ahve had to increase carbamazepine levels a lot past few days. tn is correlated highly with tooth status in my case. if teeth ok only need half tablet. if bad need 4. | 02:40 |
| ryouma | so it is an indicator that something is wrong besides the sensitivity and low level pain | 02:41 |
| LjL | carbamazepine almost killed my mom, fwiw :+ | 02:42 |
| LjL | she's on pregabalin now instead | 02:42 |
| LjL | (for TN) | 02:42 |
| LjL | but yes i know you have a bad experience with pregabalin too | 02:42 |
| ryouma | i have never been tested for it | 02:42 |
| ryouma | for carbamazepine | 02:42 |
| ryouma | yes double vision for week from pregabalin | 02:43 |
| LjL | it wasn't an allergic reaction... it can cause low sodium apparently, and her sodium got low enough she nearly got a heart attack | 02:43 |
| ryouma | weeks* from one dose | 02:43 |
| LjL | was taken to ER where they injected sodium for a night | 02:43 |
| LjL | her cardiac stress markers were elevated | 02:43 |
| ryouma | i should ask my doctor about testing. i have had that task on my many thousands long todo list for a long time. | 02:43 |
| ryouma | ah, that one was ozone. the uv one was another i am considering and will porobably coose. they also have a dveice you bite on that sucks out. | 02:46 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: NEW: Vietnam has reached 1 month without community transmission of coronavirus (10048 votes) | https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1312395113293807617 | https://redd.it/j4fphd | 02:47 |
| LjL | ryouma, i really would insist on making sure they employs dental dams | 02:48 |
| ryouma | the mobile appt is on tuesday but i am too concerned about covid. the uvc one is we call to find out i guess. although th3ey supposedly were goint to keep us on a cancellation list idk if htat occurred. | 02:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Ron Johnson is the third Republican senator to test positive for coronavirus in two days → https://is.gd/M7K5kf | 02:48 |
| ryouma | idk if any of my choices use dental dams | 02:48 |
| LjL | aside from the obvious benefits that are now clearly recognized by any self-respecting dentist, it *might* also act as a barrier to some droplets | 02:48 |
| LjL | unlikely, since the dentist would already be wearing a mask | 02:48 |
| LjL | but maybe | 02:48 |
| LjL | but the other benefits are worth it anyway | 02:48 |
| ryouma | i think trying to get a dental dam would be refused by the person doing the calling and i am already hoping she will call the non-mobiles if it comes to that. and would make it more copmlex for me to decide. | 02:52 |
| ryouma | i do have "ask about dental dam if you remember to" on list to remind me what to do when prepare for leaving house. but getting permanently harmed by leaving house and being jostled in car and being vertical etc. is a problem. covid is a problem too. weighing van is weighing that. and also basic trustworthiness of dentist. | 02:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus infections, hospitalizations keep decreasing across California → https://is.gd/FCqCcp | 03:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Pakistan Officially Reopening For Tourism → https://is.gd/xYCLAn | 03:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +27513 cases (now 35.2 million), +766 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 3 hours ago — Argentina: +11129 cases (now 790818), +196 deaths (now 20795) since a day ago — Mexico: +4863 cases (now 757953), +388 deaths (now 78880) since 23 hours ago — US: +4756 cases (now 7.6 million), +34 deaths (now 214277) since 3 hours ago | 03:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Trump’s coronavirus treatments are aimed at preventing severe illness → https://is.gd/vkLSYJ | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Trump, from hospital, says he feels ‘much better’ after COVID-19 treatment → https://is.gd/ReoctJ | 04:03 |
| zini[m] | Is there a way for me to not see brainstorm news 'tweets'? | 04:34 |
| bodhisat | zini[m]: in matrix? in irc /ignore | 04:35 |
| zini[m] | in matrix | 04:35 |
| zini[m] | i don't mind brainstorms updates when a user asks it for how x country is doing | 04:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Toronto Public Health suspends some contact tracing due to ‘high level’ of coronavirus cases → https://is.gd/edAWbB | 04:36 |
| zini[m] | i'm not a fan of it's news updates like "oronto Public Health suspends some contact tracing due to ‘high level’ of coronavirus case" | 04:36 |
| bodhisat | zini[m]: it's not a democracy, maybe look up matrix help section | 04:36 |
| zini[m] | LjL: Is there a way for me to not see brainstorm news 'tweets'? i don't mind brainstorms updates when a user asks it for how x country is doing. i'm not a fan of it's news updates like "oronto Public Health suspends some contact tracing due to ‘high level’ of coronavirus case" | 04:37 |
| zini[m] | ljl might know if it's possible | 04:37 |
| zini[m] | might just do ignore otherwise | 04:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: [China] Update on COVID-19 Pandemic Situation as of 24:00 03/10/2020 → https://is.gd/xAJXFi | 04:46 |
| bodhisat | https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-host-greg-gutfeld-trump-put-himself-on-the-line-and-got-covid-for-us | 04:51 |
| LjL | zini[m], no, you'd have to ignore it wholesale. if you can ignore it in the room only, then you could theoretically still PM it for numbers | 04:51 |
| LjL | zini[m], i'm open to feedback as to what feeds may be more annoying than useful, though. although i can't really control the specific news items, i can just turn a particular RSS feed on or off. | 04:52 |
| LjL | bodhisat, it's not a democracy but if i just ignore people's feedback entirely i end up with an empty channel | 04:55 |
| LjL | so i don't see the point of that comment, honestly. i know that other people aren't fans of the news feeds either. if you're on IRC, the topic says you can join ##coronavirus for less news and more science chat, but that's a tad more awkward on matrix | 04:56 |
| LjL | still, i am fairly confident if there *was* more talk here (as in, any at all, since it's very quiet lately), then the bot's "tweets" would almost vanish | 04:56 |
| ryouma | fwiw i like the news feeds a lot but don't see the point of the automatic numbers | 04:57 |
| zini[m] | <ryouma "fwiw i like the news feeds a lot"> i agree with this | 04:57 |
| LjL | zini[m], didn't you just say you didn't like its news "tweets" | 04:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: São Paulo State Seeks Regulatory Approval for Sinovac COVID-19 Vaccine → https://is.gd/aMawGY | 04:57 |
| zini[m] | <LjL "zini, no, you'd have to ignore i"> do u know how to do that? | 04:57 |
| LjL | zini[m], i'm mainly an IRC user, but i suppose you'd click on the bot name on the right side if you're using Element, and that'll give you options | 04:58 |
| ryouma | (by automatic numbers i mean the updates thing with world and countries as i don't know what to do to interpret it (mentioned long ago)) | 04:58 |
| zini[m] | <LjL "zini, didn't you just say you di"> maybe i'm mixing up bots, but i'm fine when people summon it by saying 'usa cases' | 04:58 |
| LjL | zini[m], ryouma just said that he's fine with the *news* i.e. what you called "tweets" (although they aren't tweets in any shape or form) but sees less of a point in the numbers | 04:59 |
| LjL | it's like... almost the opposite of what you said | 04:59 |
| zini[m] | like sometimes ive seen ppl summon it in order to raise a point, like: | 04:59 |
| LjL | yes, i know what you meant | 05:00 |
| zini[m] | 'usa cases' we have more cases that italy 'italy cases' | 05:00 |
| ryouma | zini[m]: and i share that it is ok when %cases is called butg idk wha the is saying either | 05:00 |
| zini[m] | i think me and ryouma: are talking about: | 05:00 |
| zini[m] | "Updates for World: +27513 cases (now 35.2 million), +766 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 3 hours ago — Argentina: +11129 cases (now 790818), +196 deaths (now 20795) since a day ago — Mexico: +4863 cases (now 757953), +388 deaths (now 78880) since 23 hours ago — US: +4756 cases (now 7.6 million), +34 deaths (now 214277) since 3 hours ago" | 05:00 |
| ryouma | ohhhhhh you are agreeing with me that you don't understand those? | 05:01 |
| bodhisat | LjL: shrug, guy picks 1 post, and says "i'm not a fan" w/ no explanation :) | 05:01 |
| zini[m] | which it posted like ~5 posts ago | 05:01 |
| LjL | zini[m], you just said earlier that you weren't a fan of... and you provided a piece of *news*, not those automatic numbers | 05:01 |
| zini[m] | my preference is not to see the automatic news | 05:02 |
| LjL | democracy or not, i cannot possibly improve things if i'm utterly confused as to what it is that you want improved | 05:02 |
| LjL | the automatic NEWS or the automatic NUMBERS? those are different things | 05:02 |
| LjL | the bot does three things | 05:02 |
| LjL | 1) the RSS feeds | 05:02 |
| zini[m] | however, not seeing automatic numbers is a compromise that is closer | 05:02 |
| LjL | 2) the automatic number updates | 05:02 |
| LjL | 3) the manual %cases calls | 05:02 |
| zini[m] | i like 3. | 05:02 |
| zini[m] | i don't like 1. | 05:02 |
| zini[m] | i don't like 2 very much, but don't mind it as much as 1 | 05:03 |
| LjL | okay. well, i'm not going to remove 1 and 2, i can make 1 post less stuff if we identify some particular RSS feeds in it that are low quality | 05:03 |
| ryouma | i like 1 a lot :) | 05:03 |
| zini[m] | so 3 > 2 > 1 imo | 05:03 |
| zini[m] | ryouma: you don't like 2 right? | 05:03 |
| ryouma | right | 05:03 |
| ryouma | or at least don't understand them | 05:03 |
| LjL | well, i like that one, and it keeps me informed on when there is an update in the numbers of a given country | 05:04 |
| LjL | and since i follow various countries i do want that information as soon as it is available | 05:04 |
| zini[m] | haha so the 3 of us all like different things | 05:04 |
| ryouma | in principle you could have 3 nicks | 05:04 |
| LjL | and it's often just the number of new cases/deaths since the previous days, although it can be more confusing depending on whether a country posts numbers more than once a day | 05:04 |
| zini[m] | ryoma - 1 | 05:05 |
| zini[m] | ljl - 2 | 05:05 |
| zini[m] | me - 3 | 05:05 |
| LjL | ryouma, in principle i could also make the post post NOTICEs instead of PRIVMSGs, which is the standard on Matrix and makes it easy there to "ignore all bots", however, if i do that (i checked), IRC people will get mad | 05:05 |
| zini[m] | <ryouma "in principle you could have 3 ni"> 3 nick names sounds good | 05:05 |
| ryouma | well i like 3 too | 05:05 |
| LjL | i'll never make everybody happy, or even close | 05:05 |
| zini[m] | do u know how i can ignore brainstorm for just this room? | 05:06 |
| ryouma | in case it is not clear, i am only suggesting a possibility and not asking for any action to be taken | 05:06 |
| LjL | no, i don't | 05:06 |
| zini[m] | ohh hmm | 05:06 |
| LjL | there's barely any chat here these days, except me telling ryouma to go to the dentist | 05:07 |
| zini[m] | btw can brainstorm be added to other channels? like the t2bots | 05:07 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +3389 cases (now 127623), +7 deaths (now 10044) since a day ago — World: +4967 cases (now 35.2 million), +20 deaths (now 1.0 million) since an hour ago — Venezuela: +826 cases (now 77646), +6 deaths (now 649) since a day ago — Pakistan: +632 cases (now 314616), +6 deaths (now 6513) since 22 hours ago | 05:07 |
| LjL | why don't we like start actually talking about things and see if Brainstorm is still so annoying | 05:07 |
| ryouma | sounds good | 05:07 |
| LjL | zini[m], only by me manually. it is an IRC bot, not a Matrix bot (mainly, Synapsestorm can send things on the Matrix side directly) | 05:07 |
| zini[m] | reaction; thumbs up | 05:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: LA County Reports 1,062 New Coronavirus Cases, Lowest Average Weekly Hospitalizations In 6 Months → https://is.gd/8NswSm | 05:08 |
| zini[m] | LjL: what do you plan on doing with this room post corona? | 05:11 |
| LjL | i don't think there will be a "post corona" within the next 10 or 20 years | 05:12 |
| LjL | it will still be in our lives quite cogently, if hopefully not *as* much as now | 05:12 |
| ryouma | s/cogently/something | 05:12 |
| LjL | the disease and the virus aren't going to go away completely for decades. fewer people will be interested to chat about them maybe, but i'm okay with small channels. | 05:12 |
| zini[m] | i got a maybe good plan! | 05:13 |
| zini[m] | if covid-21 emerges - ppl who are immune/resistant to covid-19 aren't immune to covid-21 - this room would pick up a lot again | 05:14 |
| LjL | well i hope it doesn't and this room shrinks | 05:14 |
| LjL | but it's possible | 05:15 |
| zini[m] | wouldn't something like covid-21 emerge? | 05:15 |
| LjL | i don't have a crystal ball. it might. mutations are random | 05:15 |
| zini[m] | all it has to do, is evolve enough so that covid-19 immunity/resistance doesn't matter | 05:15 |
| zini[m] | there must be at least a few trillion covid19 cells scattered about | 05:16 |
| zini[m] | so thats quite a lot of attempts it has | 05:16 |
| ryouma | i think my reaction to the data updates for my own purposes is that to put it in context you would have to remember previous numbers or non-listed countries and to me the context is best conveyed in charts like line or pie | 05:16 |
| zini[m] | ooo a text based graphing brainstorm could be cool | 05:17 |
| ryouma | lol and space-consuming | 05:17 |
| zini[m] | like those old video games graphics | 05:18 |
| ryouma | then again i don't follow football/soccer scores, baseball stats, or t helike so maybe i am unusual and i can barely remember what i started this sentence with | 05:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19: social dilemmas about protective measures → https://is.gd/C3qd1A | 05:19 |
| LjL | ryouma, well for countries that particularly matter to me, i do remember the previous number, plus, the number is in bold if it's the highest ever recorded (or in other cases where it's very big), and the bot uses a sorting method which is a bit involved but which results in prioritizing the countries where the thing is being bad | 05:19 |
| ryouma | but still | 05:19 |
| LjL | zini[m], it is not clear yet if immunity to covid-19 is long-lasting, so it may not even have to mutate to something different | 05:19 |
| bodhisat | maybe Covid can slow down Global Heating Crisis | 05:20 |
| LjL | zini[m], but anyway, if (and it's a big if, for sure), vaccines turn out to be nearly 100% effective, then the virus is either in a vulnerable host and doesn't care and just reproduces, or if it's in a vaccinated host it has pretty much zero chances to survive and reproduce. the issue may arise if there's still a limited but significant amount of virus growth in vaccinated individuals | 05:20 |
| ryouma | bodhisat: it did briefly | 05:20 |
| zini[m] | true, but antibodies to all pathogens i know of last at least a while, so i'd be surprised if covid was different | 05:21 |
| bodhisat | ryouma: I fear if they fix CV, it's just 'into the fire' | 05:21 |
| bodhisat | out of the frying pan .. | 05:21 |
| ryouma | bodhisat: with mutations? | 05:21 |
| zini[m] | anyone think trump will die from covid19? | 05:22 |
| LjL | zini[m], well, there are other diseases where what you say is true and yet they did not mutate to defeat immunity... so while i fully acknowledge it's a possibility, i don't understand why you say "why wouldn't it". if other viruses haven't done it, why is it so inevitable? | 05:22 |
| ryouma | my understanding is that it isn't just antibodies but t-cell immunity also | 05:22 |
| LjL | ryouma, that's not been shown though, it's... a hope | 05:23 |
| ryouma | right | 05:23 |
| LjL | it's a reasonable hope because it happens with other diseases | 05:23 |
| ryouma | which do the vaccines spur? | 05:23 |
| LjL | but there was also the hope it'd die down with the summer, and it didn't happen at all | 05:23 |
| LjL | ryouma, oh they may spur both, depending on which part of the virus they "replicate"... however i think with all vaccine trials, they've only looked at antibodies :\ | 05:24 |
| ryouma | right i didn't believe the summer thing | 05:24 |
| LjL | looking at t-cells is probably a fair bit harder | 05:24 |
| zini[m] | well to answer myself | 05:24 |
| zini[m] | i bet my reputation that trump wont die | 05:24 |
| zini[m] | from covid | 05:24 |
| bodhisat | zini[m]: no point speculating on that | 05:24 |
| zini[m] | 19 | 05:24 |
| ryouma | til they don't look at t cells | 05:24 |
| LjL | once again, i have no crystal ball | 05:25 |
| bodhisat | zini[m]: are you aware of the CV-19 risk profile for 70 year olds? | 05:25 |
| zini[m] | <bodhisat "zini: no point speculating on th"> morbid curiosity/being edgy :p | 05:25 |
| bodhisat | I believe it's 2-16% | 05:25 |
| bodhisat | Boris made it to the ICU and survived to further ravage the UK so | 05:26 |
| zini[m] | <bodhisat "zini: are you aware of the CV-19"> yea, but is that accounting for his polyclonal antibody treatment and dexatrasome? | 05:26 |
| zini[m] | (i don't recall offhand what treatments he's had so far) | 05:26 |
| bodhisat | zini[m]: as w/ everything , whatever they say is worth Zero | 05:27 |
| bodhisat | his PCP is a D.O. pro- hydroxy | 05:28 |
| LjL | as far as i heard he's getting a cocktail of two monoclonal antibodies, remdesivir, as well as vitamin D, zinc, and famotidine | 05:29 |
| LjL | i like how the former isn't approved even for emergency use, but hey, he's the president | 05:29 |
| ryouma | i thought you wer3e supposed to stop vitamin d when you got symptoms | 05:29 |
| LjL | i think no one really knows | 05:29 |
| ryouma | it can be used off label can't it? | 05:29 |
| zini[m] | "A meta-analysis of seven clinical trials of critically ill COVID-19 patients, each treated with one of three different corticosteroids found a statistically significant reduction in death.[25] The largest reduction was obtained with dexamethasone (36% compared to placebo).[25][26]" | 05:29 |
| LjL | ryouma, no because there isn't an on-label use, it's not FDA-approved at all | 05:30 |
| zini[m] | crazy guy still pushing hydroxy, | 05:30 |
| ryouma | and lest anybody go out and take famotidine i /think/ that was really high doses? | 05:30 |
| zini[m] | trump secret hydroxy shill | 05:30 |
| LjL | ryouma, "off-label" meaning using something that already exist and is already approved for a different indication, but these monoclonal antibodies are experimental and COVID-specific | 05:30 |
| bodhisat | the monoclonal should only be being given in a clinical trial, so seems like malpractice to me | 05:30 |
| zini[m] | <bodhisat "the monoclonal should only be be"> "presidental malpracice" TM | 05:31 |
| ryouma | oh i thought you were talking about remdesivir but yeah i see now. and i did not know regardless about hte monoclonal abs. | 05:31 |
| bodhisat | same with chris christie telling his MD to admit him for asthma, try that at home | 05:31 |
| zini[m] | Is dexamethasone still the best treatment humanity has? | 05:31 |
| LjL | https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/03/health/Covid-trump-treatments.html discusses the monoclonal antibody treatment | 05:32 |
| bodhisat | law&order for everyone else, social medicine for the cronys | 05:32 |
| LjL | zini[m], i think dexamethasone is pretty specific to when there's a confirmed "haywire immune system" reaction | 05:32 |
| LjL | in other circumstances it may not do much of anything | 05:32 |
| LjL | but don't quote me | 05:32 |
| zini[m] | dexamethasone only works if on oxy/icu i think | 05:33 |
| ryouma | meaning cytokines? | 05:33 |
| LjL | mostly meaning cytokines | 05:33 |
| zini[m] | if anyone wants to watch with me | 05:33 |
| zini[m] | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvspgun7nl4 | 05:33 |
| LjL | i need to sleep, it's half past five | 05:33 |
| zini[m] | does freenode have link title previews? | 05:34 |
| LjL | no, but the bot can provide them | 05:34 |
| LjL | %title | 05:34 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: From www.youtube.com: What Do We Know About T Cells and COVID-19 Immunity? | SciShow News - YouTube | 05:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Mike Pompeo shortens upcoming Asia trip after Donald Trump falls ill with COVID-19 → https://is.gd/PTklTv | 05:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Israelis persist in rallies against PM Netanyahu despite lockdown → https://is.gd/xZkfwy | 06:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 669: All the wrong COVID-19 moves: Daniel Griffin provides a clinical report on COVID-19, including a discussion of the role of vitamin D in COVID-19, Michael and Christopher explain why we have made all the wrong moves during the pandemic, evidence that the D614G amino acid change improves transmission in hamsters, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ljNoB2 | 06:12 |
| bodhisat | https://www.startribune.com/3-minn-gop-house-members-fly-delta-home-after-covid-19-exposure/572619782/ | 06:14 |
| bodhisat | rules don't apply to the GOP | 06:14 |
| ryouma | perhaps delta is lying or they don't enforce their own rules. they should just boot the politicians if they knew they were violating rules. | 06:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: UK PM Johnson to look beyond COVID crisis in next legislative agenda → https://is.gd/2C0pTv | 06:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Czech PM’s party wins big in regional ballot amid pandemic → https://is.gd/80Le1u | 06:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: SMU student section cleared out due to coronavirus protocol violations → https://is.gd/LgQaOH | 06:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Quebec, Canada: +1107 cases (now 77380), +10 deaths (now 5867) since a day ago — World: +9279 cases (now 35.3 million), +139 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 2 hours ago — Ukraine: +4116 cases (now 228161), +72 deaths (now 4451) since 3 hours ago — India: +1960 cases (now 6.5 million) since 8 hours ago | 07:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Keir Starmer: Boris Johnson has ‘lost control’ of Covid-19 pandemic → https://is.gd/yilZAM | 07:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Campania, Italy: +401 cases (now 13925) since 13 hours ago — Lombardy, Italy: +393 cases (now 107751), +5 deaths (now 16969) since 23 hours ago — Hesse, Germany: +292 cases (now 19616), +1 deaths (now 552) since 23 hours ago — Piedmont, Italy: +279 cases (now 36010) since 23 hours ago | 07:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: India records over 75,000 new cases, highest daily tally globally → https://is.gd/4IPE5c | 07:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Chinese mainland reports 16 imported COVID-19 cases; no local cases for 44 days → https://is.gd/LAS6Io | 07:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Canada adds 1,812 coronavirus cases, 52 deaths as Tam warns ‘hard choices’ needed → https://is.gd/iHoupa | 08:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: “Dozens Of Israelis Diagnosed With COVID For 2nd Time,” Kupat Cholim Official Says → https://is.gd/MDi763 | 08:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: UK scientists hope to deploy coronavirus vaccine in 3 months → https://is.gd/KCJxbw | 08:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 35 Years of Research Into Coronavirus Infections Show Long-Term Immunity Is Unlikely → https://is.gd/ie1jkt | 09:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +554 cases (now 8118), +2 deaths (now 50) since a day ago — France: +4352 cases (now 613820) since 10 hours ago — World: +1644 cases (now 35.3 million), +13 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 2 hours ago — Armenia: +571 cases (now 52496), +5 deaths (now 977) since 23 hours ago | 09:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Britain's coronavirus cases rise sharply to record level → https://is.gd/hcLbIX | 09:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: UK announces more than 10,000 new cases for first time - There were 12,872 new cases, while a further 49 people have died within 28 days of testing positive for Covid-19. → https://is.gd/bSWRuJ | 09:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +10499 cases (now 1.2 million), +107 deaths (now 21358) since a day ago — World: +11369 cases (now 35.3 million), +117 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 49 minutes ago — Hungary: +858 cases (now 30575), +10 deaths (now 822) since a day ago — Singapore: +12 cases (now 57812) since 23 hours ago | 10:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: India added nearly 400,000 Covid-19 cases, over 5,000 deaths in a week → https://is.gd/LACaAd | 10:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: UK announces more than 10,000 new cases for first time: Some 12,872 Covid cases are recorded, but a "technical issue" is blamed for adding to the high figure. → https://is.gd/NttWft | 10:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Russia's new coronavirus cases top 10,000 for first time since mid-May → https://is.gd/LPxQt2 | 10:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Getting the Virus Can Change a Politician’s Mind, Say Some Who Had It → https://is.gd/WazXYL | 10:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Slovakia: +818 cases (now 13139), +1 deaths (now 55) since a day ago — World: +7923 cases (now 35.3 million), +134 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 58 minutes ago — India: +3654 cases (now 6.6 million), +29 deaths (now 101841) since 4 hours ago — Philippines: +3167 cases (now 322497), +98 deaths (now 5776) since a day ago | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus trend: The pandemic is far from over → https://is.gd/85NTsn | 11:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Michigan Supreme Court Rules Against Governor's Emergency Powers → https://is.gd/tL73DC | 11:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Why A Negative Test Doesn't Rule Out COVID → https://is.gd/1qPiQa | 11:57 |
| yuta | over | 12:03 |
| yuta | misstype sorry | 12:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Israel’s Hospitals Are at Brink of Collapse in Devastating Second COVID Wave → https://is.gd/vOR3LB | 12:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Oman: +2685 cases (now 101270), +42 deaths (now 977) since 4 days ago — World: +11104 cases (now 35.3 million), +202 deaths (now 1.0 million) since an hour ago — Indonesia: +3992 cases (now 303498), +96 deaths (now 11151) since a day ago — Poland: +1934 cases (now 100074), +26 deaths (now 2630) since a day ago | 12:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Study shows need for balance in post-surgery opioid prescribing guidelines: To address the opioid epidemic, surgeons have embraced guidelines to reduce the number of opioid pills they prescribe to patients after surgery, and the efforts have helped to significantly reduce the number of opioids in circulation. But new research [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/pvIVui | 12:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Meghalaya, India: +423 cases (now 6456), +2 deaths (now 54) since a day ago — Maharashtra, India: +14348 cases (now 1.4 million), +278 deaths (now 37758) since a day ago — Karnataka, India: +9886 cases (now 630516), +100 deaths (now 9219) since a day ago — Kerala, India: +7834 cases (now 221333), +22 deaths (now 813) since a day ago | 12:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Solomon Islands record first coronavirus case: The Solomon Islands announced they have lost the battle to stay free of the coronavirus, leaving just nine small, remote territories that have not reported a single case. → https://is.gd/l9sIqi | 12:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +1688 cases (now 35.3 million), +49 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 30 minutes ago — Tunisia: +1286 cases (now 22230), +45 deaths (now 321) since 13 hours ago — US: +336 cases (now 7.6 million), +3 deaths (now 214280) since 9 hours ago — Malta: +66 cases (now 3270), +1 deaths (now 39) since 23 hours ago | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Policy: This congressperson wants to ramp up COVID-19 testing → https://is.gd/GxfKU8 | 13:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Fashion: Designer Joe Doucet’s face masks are from the future; check it out here → https://is.gd/PHhGTJ | 13:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Hospital capacity for coronavirus patients in Brussels saturated → https://is.gd/3Ld4wU | 13:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Published results of serologicial tests in the most hit area in Italy: 42.3% has antibodies, 30% of the general population tested → https://is.gd/aQzz2c | 13:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: WH Amy Coney Barrett Event Had Cramped Indoor Receptions, Compounding 'Superspreader' Fears - newsweek → https://is.gd/tc0tTm | 13:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: MIT COVID-19 Test Could Be Made So Cheap That People Test Themselves Every Day → https://is.gd/EbFPHJ | 14:07 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: NEW: France reports 16,972 new coronavirus cases, biggest one-day increase on record (10037 votes) | https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1312465856530579457 | https://redd.it/j4kkl1 | 14:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Dr. Fauci says we should prepare to 'hunker down' again — here's how to mentally get through fall and winter → https://is.gd/TNCl0S | 14:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Numbers show lockdowns are a 'no brainer'. Letting people die isn't → https://is.gd/fYu6ww | 14:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New Study Finds Dogs May Not Spread Covid-19, but Cats Can Pass It to Each Other → https://is.gd/9U3PJ1 | 15:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 15-Minute Coronavirus Test Gets Green Light in Europe → https://is.gd/nT6M7o | 15:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: White House Completely Misused Rapid COVID-19 Tests to Avoid Face Masks → https://is.gd/XsxzJo | 15:32 |
| atheodo | by the way there are reports that the so called daily testing in the White House was not even happening, how reckless and selfish | 15:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: An army of doctors. Access to an experimental drug. A special patient gets special care. → https://is.gd/Cw4L2Q | 15:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: NEW: Netherlands reports 4,007 new coronavirus cases, biggest one-day increase on record. Number in hospital rises to 810 (+69), of which 163 are in ICU (+7) → https://is.gd/GFYJx2 | 16:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Myanmar: +1291 cases (now 17794), +41 deaths (now 412) since 23 hours ago — World: +27918 cases (now 35.3 million), +465 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 3 hours ago — India: +6750 cases (now 6.6 million), +69 deaths (now 101910) since 5 hours ago — Iran: +3653 cases (now 471772), +211 deaths (now 26957) since a day ago | 16:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Rogue SARS police unit in Nigeria is allegedly extorting, torturing, and murdering civilians → https://is.gd/S4xxQi | 16:48 |
| prometheus | exit | 16:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Post - October 04 | Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions → https://is.gd/yzcf6P | 16:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Europe coronavirus: Countries set grim records as restrictions are reimposed → https://is.gd/8cBd1w | 17:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +16727 cases (now 35.3 million), +237 deaths (now 1.0 million) since an hour ago — India: +5348 cases (now 6.6 million), +64 deaths (now 101974) since an hour ago — US: +4134 cases (now 7.6 million), +46 deaths (now 214330) since an hour ago — Italy: +2578 cases (now 325329), +18 deaths (now 35986) since a day ago | 17:24 |
| LjL | we're quite close to the 3% positive threshold (which was once considered the maximum acceptable to claim that "we're testing enough") | 17:28 |
| LjL | <CarlSagan> [NYT - Science] How to Trick-or-Treat Safely on Halloween https://www.nytimes.com/article/halloween-cdc-guidelines-coronavirus.html 2020-10-04T13:00:10 | 17:30 |
| LjL | seriously? the article puts up the usual soft wall for me, but still, even without reading it... seriously? | 17:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Mother’s milk could help fight coronavirus, study finds → https://is.gd/6rUjwS | 17:30 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 480017 confirmed cases (0.7% of the population) and 45712 deaths (9.5% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 25.0 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Pope Francis: Market capitalism has failed in pandemic, needs reform → https://is.gd/uiVDMh | 17:41 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: White House Completely Misused Rapid COVID-19 Tests to Avoid Face Masks (10922 votes) | https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/white-house-misused-rapid-covid-19-tests-face-masks.html | https://redd.it/j4ynvz | 17:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Friuli Venezia Giulia, Italy: +346 deaths (now 699) since 10 hours ago — World: +10260 cases (now 35.3 million), +51 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 55 minutes ago — India: +8553 cases (now 6.6 million), +23 deaths (now 101997) since 55 minutes ago — South Carolina, US: +691 cases (now 151582), +11 deaths (now 3453) since 19 hours ago | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pope Francis says capitalism has failed in the pandemic | Pope Francis disparaged so-called trickle-down economic theory, saying the pandemic has shown that free-market policies cannot solve all of humanity's most dire needs → https://is.gd/h9IXGL | 18:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Trump is receiving dexamethasone, a steroid usually given patients with severe Covid-19: The announcement from Trump’s medical team that the president is on dexamethasone is sure to increase speculation about the severity of the president’s illness. → https://is.gd/HgFMix | 18:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +1079 cases (now 166116), +12 deaths (now 9480) since an hour ago — World: +10001 cases (now 35.4 million), +106 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 51 minutes ago — US: +5746 cases (now 7.6 million), +21 deaths (now 214362) since 51 minutes ago — Turkey: +1429 cases (now 324443), +57 deaths (now 8441) since 23 hours ago | 18:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CDC: Coronavirus [CoV]: Cases & Deaths by County → https://is.gd/yJtqEF | 19:07 |
| metro | CCPope Francis <.< | 19:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Florida forges ahead in lifting curbs amid virus concerns: As the summer coronavirus spike in Sunbelt states subsides, Florida has gone the furthest in lifting restrictions, especially on restaurants where the burden of ensuring safety has shifted to business owners and residents—raising concerns of a resurgence. → https://is.gd/pxEfTA | 19:28 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Symptoms and Outcomes of Sailors in Isolation After a COVID-19 Outbreak on a US Aircraft Carrier (84 votes) | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2771116 | https://redd.it/j512zf | 19:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio is seeking the state's approval to close all non-essential businesses and schools in 9 coronavirus hotspots in Brooklyn and Queens → https://is.gd/WQbSCz | 19:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Schools and businesses to close in New York City neighbourhoods hit again by Covid-19 → https://is.gd/IdaB8J | 20:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Somalia: +152 cases (now 3745) since 2 days ago — World: +7240 cases (now 35.4 million), +88 deaths (now 1.0 million) since an hour ago — US: +4735 cases (now 7.6 million), +62 deaths (now 214424) since an hour ago — Illinois, US: +1453 cases (now 304280), +17 deaths (now 9040) since a day ago | 20:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 35% drop in new corona virus cases in Trinidad and Tobago → https://is.gd/dqPTnl | 20:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: A Texas family lost four members to Covid-19. Now they want to save others from heartbreak. → https://is.gd/Hl5Zis | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: With a population of 299,000, Vanuatu is now the largest country to not have any reported C19 cases (Following Solomon Islands C19 Declaration) → https://is.gd/3eOC7v | 20:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Regal Cinemas Likely Suspending Operations at All U.S. Locations → https://is.gd/INci0g | 21:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Japanese fashion designer Kenzo dies from COVID-19 in Paris → https://is.gd/yX0F7W | 21:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Doctors monitoring Trump's lungs, giving steroid to fight COVID-19 → https://is.gd/5wmClz | 21:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: California’s Filipino American nurses are dying from COVID-19 at alarming rates → https://is.gd/JUdS6F | 21:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CDC: Coronavirus [CoV]: Cases & Deaths by County → https://is.gd/yJtqEF | 22:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add microCOVID (activity risk calculator) → https://is.gd/n9tJqE | 22:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: UK adds 22,961 new coronavirus cases, including 15,841 cases which it failed to report over the past week → https://is.gd/s2zeFq | 23:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pope Francis says COVID-19 has proved capitalism does not work → https://is.gd/GVCwBi | 23:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: FDA Announces Advisory Committee Meeting to Discuss COVID-19 Vaccines → https://is.gd/RPOfEW | 23:39 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 480017 confirmed cases (0.7% of the population) and 45712 deaths (9.5% of cases) as of 16 hours ago. 25.0 million tests were performed (1.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 23:47 |
| Jigsy | ... | 23:48 |
| Jigsy | 22,961 new cases. | 23:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Nine ZIP codes in New York City may shut down after Covid spikes, mayor says → https://is.gd/FSHsrH | 23:50 |
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