| ryouma | there is a lot of agitation recently agains the contributions of hte age of reason, and against the concept of human rights. i am a bit sensitive to this. | 00:00 |
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| ryouma | that's not to say that the weird cultures are not unusual etc. or that such investigations are not useful | 00:01 |
| ryouma | but that one in particular seemed strange to me (although it was a review and thus not by the author) | 00:02 |
| ryouma | ah | 00:02 |
| ryouma | and against normative science | 00:03 |
| ryouma | that one was attributed to incest laws | 00:07 |
| ryouma | (or edicts or whatever) | 00:07 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: More Americans blame the U.S. government than foreign nations for the country’s coronavirus crisis (10480 votes) | https://www.marketwatch.com/story/more-americans-blame-the-u-s-government-than-foreign-nations-for-the-countrys-coronavirus-crisis-01601919741?mod=newsviewer_click | https://redd.it/j5oa12 | 00:25 |
| LjL | Timvde, he just left the hospital. it was a flash covid, i'mfine noimonoxygen nowimtakingremdesivir omgdexamethasone hahajkfineagain bye | 00:41 |
| LjL | this process takes 30 days for normal people but Trump knows a hero has no zero | 00:42 |
| molechild | apparently, Pence should be isolating, but instead onto Nevada to attempt to infect Harris | 00:45 |
| ryouma | i would think that politicicians are especially going to have exposures because they are always probably talking to one another, constituents, donors, and with procedures they are unwilling to change and perhaps sometimes do so in person in order to know they are not being recorded and so on. | 00:48 |
| ryouma | top of executive branch must have a lot of staff all over the place doing stuff and reporting stuff | 00:48 |
| ryouma | does that include top military? do they wear masks? | 00:51 |
| molechild | somehow the fact, that POS arrived late, and didn't get tested pre-debate, is ignored | 00:52 |
| molechild | there is no bottom for the far right | 00:54 |
| molechild | Pence spox Katie Miller "If Sen. Harris wants to use a fortress around herself, have at it." | 01:02 |
| molechild | Miller had COVID in May (announced day after she spoke to reporters, unmasked), a dozen people connected to WH tested positive this week alone. | 01:02 |
| ryouma | is the venue not going to enforce measures? | 01:06 |
| LjL | ryouma, you mean like Cleveland Clinic had a policy of using masks, but instead of enforcing it, only went as far as offering the president and his entourage some masks, which they refused? | 01:14 |
| LjL | https://np.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/j5tnyr/china_declares_emergency_after_another_killer/g7ua186/ | 01:16 |
| ryouma | well if /i/ were running the venue i'd say it was off the table for the participants to debate measures taken for the debate during the negotiations. then i'd say the debate would be cancelled if the participants failed to comply. then i'd publicize it to the ends of hte earth that that is what i'd done and let them complain. | 01:17 |
| ryouma | the pope has a popemobile right? | 01:17 |
| LjL | i feel so powerless. i can tell people things and tell them again and again and again BUT if big worldwide organizations tell them differently, that won't help AND then people will also tell me that those organizations, nope, they never actually said that. nope. except they said/wrote things that obviously make people believe X, even if they said only a proxy of X | 01:17 |
| ryouma | like that@! | 01:17 |
| ryouma | try having a persecuted disease. you'll get that multiplied by thousands. | 01:18 |
| molechild | .@nytimes reporter @shearm is battling covid-19 after being at the WH and traveling on AF1 with the President last Saturday. He says nobody from the White House has contacted him since. | 01:18 |
| molechild | WH is a carnival Cruise Ship | 01:18 |
| ryouma | i am seeing signs that the rhetoric around long covid could turn worse | 01:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +32370 cases (now 35.8 million), +431 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 2 hours ago — Brazil: +13264 cases (now 4.9 million), +98 deaths (now 146773) since 2 hours ago — Fr. Polynesia: +264 cases (now 2228), +1 deaths (now 9) since 2 days ago — Colombia: +7106 cases (now 862158), +132 deaths (now 26844) since a day ago | 01:23 |
| ryouma | i am not concerned about y. pestis. (although i am always concerned about drug supply chains.) | 01:26 |
| LjL | i didn't link to that because of concern about y. pestis | 01:28 |
| ryouma | what about? | 01:28 |
| ryouma | perhaps because of "What if it gains air superiority over the western hemisphere to levy power dynamics towards a heliocentric demagogue?" | 01:29 |
| ryouma | %cases world | 01:30 |
| Brainstorm | ryouma: In World, there have been 35.8 million confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 1.0 million deaths (2.9% of cases) as of 11 minutes ago. 674.5 million tests were performed (5.3% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 01:30 |
| ryouma | almost black death levels | 01:31 |
| ryouma | (absolute) | 01:31 |
| LjL | ryouma, not following | 01:31 |
| LjL | i linked because of the comment and my comment in response to it | 01:31 |
| LjL | ah i see that's a new comment | 01:33 |
| LjL | i am simply baffled that people think it's NOT airborne | 01:33 |
| ryouma | i think the comment you replied to was aboutg a bacterium | 01:33 |
| LjL | "What if COVID mutates the strain and it becomes airborne viral ?" ← there is no need to mutate anything | 01:33 |
| LjL | COVID ain't a bacterium | 01:33 |
| ryouma | your comment was not about a bacterium | 01:33 |
| ryouma | ergo, your comment was possibly misplaced? | 01:34 |
| LjL | what | 01:34 |
| LjL | the tree is | 01:34 |
| LjL | one says: What if it was engineered by aliens to kill all humans? | 01:34 |
| ryouma | never mind, you are talking about hte bacterium also then | 01:34 |
| LjL | other replies: What if COVID mutates the strain and it becomes airborne viral ? | 01:34 |
| LjL | i reply: ... as if it isn't already. Sigh. | 01:34 |
| ryouma | right. strain of what? | 01:34 |
| ryouma | the bacterium i guess | 01:34 |
| LjL | what does it mean for COVID to "mutate the strain" of the bacterium | 01:35 |
| LjL | and make it "viral" | 01:35 |
| ryouma | in a thread about aliens, i think we need not be too particular aboutg what things mean | 01:35 |
| ryouma | the who at least says droplets for the bacterium (yes, i know not hte best source) | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: 'Long Covid': Why are some people not recovering?: Why is coronavirus leaving some people with long-term health problems including fatigue? → https://is.gd/QMekrx | 01:35 |
| LjL | i thought that comment was simply saying "what if COVID becomes airborne", and i still think that's the least... strained interpretation | 01:36 |
| ryouma | i thik it was saying what if plague becomes airborne | 01:36 |
| LjL | okay, i don't know. you're right on the point that it involved aliens and is ultimately irrelevant | 01:37 |
| LjL | but it's just as good as any a circumstance to express my frustration with the fact that you see people either say it's not airborne, or when they read "it's been found to be airborne", they're like "uh why what else would it be?" | 01:37 |
| LjL | because of confusion between droplets, airborne, aerosols... | 01:38 |
| ryouma | right but i don't think that got across most likely | 01:38 |
| LjL | confusion that has been culpably caused | 01:38 |
| ryouma | it sounds like you are saying plague is already airborne | 01:38 |
| LjL | and it just won't get fixed, i don't know, how many more months do we have to wait until everyone is on board with the rather obvious fact it stays in the friggin' air? | 01:38 |
| LjL | well i don't care, if that's what it sounds like i'll be downvoted | 01:39 |
| ryouma | brainstorm alleges that cdc admitted it now | 01:39 |
| LjL | yes, CDC alleged admission before | 01:39 |
| LjL | and then it deleted its admission | 01:39 |
| LjL | don't blame Brainstorm for being confused as to what they may or may not be admitting, or not ;( | 01:39 |
| ryouma | i am with you in spirit | 01:39 |
| ryouma | and not blaming brainstorm just being accurate about he fact that i did not read the article | 01:40 |
| ryouma | with intent to mild humor | 01:40 |
| LjL | i'm just very tense | 01:40 |
| ryouma | i agree it is insane | 01:41 |
| ryouma | i did find out that cdc says infected patients should be separated. i wonder all the reasons why. | 01:42 |
| LjL | you mean from one another? | 01:42 |
| ryouma | yes | 01:42 |
| LjL | viral loads reinforcing each other? | 01:43 |
| LjL | if it's *pretty* airborne, then i could imagine a patient who's very sick making a mild patient no longer just mild | 01:43 |
| ryouma | i guess it's not like binary immune system but a question of force strength | 01:43 |
| ryouma | they were handing it off to the who, which is interesting | 01:44 |
| LjL | but realistically, when we were battling with having enough ventilators to the point people were proposing shared ventilators | 01:44 |
| LjL | how can we possibly go and separate each patient | 01:44 |
| LjL | maybe (if our hypothesis on the reason for this is correct) they should be "paired" by severity | 01:45 |
| LjL | put mild patients with mild patients | 01:45 |
| ryouma | anyway here it is and you are right grossly insufficient aerosol mention https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/non-us-settings/overview/index.html | 01:45 |
| LjL | yeah they're probably just "not denying it can happen" | 01:45 |
| LjL | i probably saw mention of it before | 01:45 |
| LjL | just like the WHO did | 01:45 |
| ryouma | no it is worse. not mentioning it except in one case. | 01:45 |
| ryouma | e.g. not mentioning talking as creating aerosols | 01:46 |
| LjL | ah, "in case of aerosol-producing procedures", that's an old stance | 01:46 |
| LjL | but | 01:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV Special: Presidential COVID-19 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: Daniel Griffin discusses President Trump's case of COVID-19, including the clinical course, the medications he received and why, and expectations for the next few weeks. → https://is.gd/wKHUBm | 01:46 |
| LjL | as to the "separately", the only mention i see is "Group patients with suspected or confirmed COVID-19 separately" | 01:46 |
| LjL | and i think you misinterpreted that one | 01:46 |
| ryouma | oh, non-us settings page | 01:46 |
| LjL | i am pretty sure it's saying, don't put patients with only suspected covid together with ones with confirmed covid | 01:47 |
| ryouma | tat would make sense if so | 01:47 |
| LjL | yeah you don't want to give COVID to someone who already has the flu or something, for sure | 01:47 |
| LjL | this could be a problem with the concept that clinical confirmation may be enough | 01:48 |
| ryouma | yes you are right for that sentence | 01:48 |
| LjL | <CarlSagan> [NYT - Science] White House Blocks New Coronavirus Vaccine Guidelines https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/05/us/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-guidelines.html 2020-10-05T23:28:47 | 01:49 |
| ryouma | in any case though not enough mention of aerosols | 01:49 |
| LjL | can't read the article (won't bothering bypassing the JS) but sub-headline goes "The F.D.A. proposed stricter guidelines for emergency approval of a coronavirus vaccine, but the White House chief of staff objected to provisions that would push approval past Election Day." | 01:49 |
| LjL | i would probably not willingly take a US-approved vaccine if it means it's been rushed for political purposes | 01:50 |
| ryouma | so what is the difference between long range and short range? --- "Current data do not support long range aerosol transmission of SARS-CoV-2, such as seen with measles or tuberculosis. Short-range inhalation of aerosols is a possibility for COVID-19, as with many respiratory pathogens. However, this cannot easily be distinguished from “droplet” transmission" | 01:50 |
| LjL | ryouma, measles can "fly" actually long distances | 01:50 |
| LjL | short-range i basically imagine is an issue when you're indoors | 01:51 |
| ryouma | compare to the choir thing please | 01:51 |
| LjL | when you're outdoors, you have to be either droplet-close, or very unlucky | 01:51 |
| ryouma | ok | 01:51 |
| LjL | ryouma, the choir were all together, definitely not kilometers apart | 01:51 |
| ryouma | so not as bad as it could be | 01:51 |
| ryouma | oh /that/ long | 01:51 |
| ryouma | i once got a cold when i had not seen anybody or touched surfaces for a long time at least a week. and wondered whether it was incubation time vs. a house kinda far apart across a narrow valley. | 01:52 |
| ryouma | (vs. reactivated) | 01:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +3222 cases (now 35.8 million), +29 deaths (now 1.0 million) since 34 minutes ago — US: +1640 cases (now 7.7 million), +10 deaths (now 214970) since 34 minutes ago — Canada: +936 cases (now 168960), +12 deaths (now 9504) since 33 minutes ago — Washington, US: +917 cases (now 93780) since 34 minutes ago | 01:53 |
| ryouma | " * The CDC cited published reports that demonstrated "limited, uncommon circumstances" in which people with the virus infected others who were more than 6 feet away." | 01:54 |
| ryouma | no js needed | 01:55 |
| ryouma | for me | 01:55 |
| LjL | the NYT always wants me to subscribe (for free i think, but i'm not giving them my email) | 01:55 |
| LjL | i wonder how they can be both limited and unknown | 01:55 |
| LjL | this is the kind of weasel language that enables people to later say "they never denied it!" | 01:56 |
| LjL | sure they never denied it, but they also always used language that very strongly encouraged people to think it was very unlikely | 01:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US President Donald Trump returns to White House hard hit by coronavirus → https://is.gd/ORYSqr | 01:57 |
| ryouma | right there needs to be a name for that rhetorical trick | 01:57 |
| LjL | there probably is, but i can never remember those names, and i hate that because it's pretty useful to remember the names in order to point people using them to wikipedia article exposing what they're doing | 01:58 |
| LjL | and it's also a thing where it's hard to "reverse search" | 01:58 |
| LjL | what do you google? "thing where people say one thing in a weak way and...." nah | 01:59 |
| ryouma | for fallacies wp will likely have lots but for rhetorical tricks there are special sites | 01:59 |
| LjL | i even have a small android app heh | 01:59 |
| ryouma | http://rhetoric.byu.edu/ | 01:59 |
| LjL | but searching is an issue, even when they're categorized | 01:59 |
| ryouma | yeah can take some time | 01:59 |
| ryouma | slipperiness is related but not the same thing | 02:00 |
| LjL | "weasel words" is the closest common term i can think of | 02:00 |
| LjL | although i was never sure if i understood that correctly | 02:00 |
| LjL | "A weasel word, or anonymous authority, is an informal term for words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated." | 02:01 |
| LjL | it fits in that they give you the impression they're definitely ruling out airborne transmission, but later one can go back and say "see? they were not actually ruling it out" | 02:01 |
| ryouma | yeah that is close. it is also ironic given that a major denier of diseases, who got a knighthood for denying one related to a war, has that as a nickname. i will not go into details as i do not want to see the name in print. | 02:02 |
| ryouma | huh yeah that is closer than i thought | 02:02 |
| ryouma | but there is something omre specific that is often at work which is that different groups will interpret the statements according to what they want (or to what was intended by the speaker or writer -- a different thing but can encompass a range of desired interpretations) but they can be denied or quoted for different purposes. | 02:04 |
| ryouma | that's different from merely being vague ambiguous slippery argumentum ad verbum confusing incoherent etc. | 02:06 |
| LjL | ryouma, this is what i probably saw earlier, without clicking because i didn't want to punch things again | 02:07 |
| LjL | https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/j5scaj/cdc_releases_updated_covid19_guidance_says_virus/ | 02:07 |
| LjL | (now it's been deleted as "US internal news" which it really is not, but worldnews mods are idiots) | 02:08 |
| LjL | first comment is like "everybody already knew that, it was downplayed" | 02:08 |
| LjL | well if it was downplayed *successfully* then it means not everyone knew it, huh | 02:08 |
| ryouma | this time cdc is clear enough to get hell for it | 02:09 |
| ryouma | they are saying that it is unlikely | 02:09 |
| LjL | well, i wouldn't know | 02:09 |
| LjL | if i actually click on the article's link, i get | 02:09 |
| LjL | "Our European visitors are important to us. This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in accordance with applicable EU laws." | 02:09 |
| LjL | GDPR is getting old fast | 02:10 |
| ryouma | "CDC's recommendations remain the same based on existing science and after a thorough technical review of the guidance," the agency said. "People can protect themselves from the virus that causes COVID-19 by staying at least 6 feet away from others, wearing a mask that covers their nose and mouth, washing their hands frequently, cleaning touched surfaces often and staying home when sick." | 02:11 |
| ryouma | --- | 02:11 |
| LjL | why can't it be fine to say 6 feet is an arbitrary thing and it's airborne but still, the more distance, the better, and we have decided 6 feet as a matter of law | 02:12 |
| LjL | are they afraid people will be scared? well newflash: people with working brains are already scared | 02:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Mike Pence and Kamala Harris vice presidential debate will have plexiglass barrier because of coronavirus concerns → https://is.gd/C6UBco | 02:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Paris Put On Maximum Alert As Coronavirus 'Is Moving Too Fast' → https://is.gd/ccZieK | 02:40 |
| eggbean | How does covid-19 infection develop? Is it possible for trump to get more ill at this stage? | 02:56 |
| Spec | It's always possible for all humans to always get more ill at any stage | 02:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: A Student Dies, and a Campus Gets Serious About Coronavirus → https://is.gd/hVGccz | 03:01 |
| bin_bash | Spec: until they die | 03:03 |
| LjL | eggbean, his progression has been so weird/unclear that we really cannot say anything about it | 03:03 |
| Spec | bin_bash: the great rest | 03:04 |
| bin_bash | yeah | 03:06 |
| molechild | LjL, maybe Alex Jones has a theory | 03:06 |
| molechild | I don't want to even look. | 03:07 |
| bin_bash | dontbring that shit here please | 03:08 |
| dTal | LjL, don't blame the GDPR for shitty companies who can't follow basic privacy rules | 03:12 |
| LjL | dTal, i do blame the GDPR for trying to have worldwide jurisdiction and i am hardly surprised by overseas companies going like "well fuck them, just block the continent, most of our users are here anyway" | 03:13 |
| dTal | I for one am happy when I am blocked by a GDPR page, because it means the system is working at protecting me from unscrupulous data predators | 03:14 |
| dTal | your shitty data-harvesting site is not that important to me | 03:14 |
| dTal | the GDPR is *piss-easy* to comply with, if you can't then there's something *seriously* wrong with how you do things | 03:15 |
| LjL | dTal, and what do you do when the way to opt out of cookies is so byzantine it's basically a puzzle? does that also make you leave the site? because i could understand how it would, however, that's... the vast majority of sites | 03:15 |
| dTal | yeah, the cookie shit is illegal too | 03:15 |
| dTal | this is how they combat these rules | 03:15 |
| dTal | by breaking them in an obnoxious way, so that you'll blame the rule | 03:15 |
| bin_bash | lol | 03:16 |
| LjL | don't have the energy to debate this | 03:16 |
| dTal | that's because it's stupid o clock in the morning | 03:16 |
| dTal | why aren't we in bed, the both of us | 03:16 |
| bin_bash | yeah im glad i live in a place without the gdpr. it's easy to avoid getting your data harvested if you dont provide them with much data to harvest. | 03:17 |
| dTal | look at me, I'm all ranty | 03:17 |
| bin_bash | it's not like the gdpr prevents against servers getting breached lol | 03:17 |
| ryouma | i don't think it's at all easy to prevent giving The Man all sorts of data merely by using the internet | 03:18 |
| ryouma | something something fingerprinting | 03:18 |
| LjL | dTal, because my sleep patterns are messed up as is my entire life and i'm only barely now starting not feeling crippled by anxiety as i've been all day, and i should be watching a movie and drinking some alcohol and enjoying my pulse finally going below 100, but i'm still not and now it's kinda too late to start | 03:19 |
| bin_bash | that's more of a concern with installing apps and internet-connected programs ryouma | 03:19 |
| ryouma | ah staying uypo late helps your anxiety | 03:19 |
| bin_bash | apps can access all sorts of stuff on your device that a website cant and if you always use incognito then really it's just your os/browser/user-agent and IP | 03:19 |
| molechild | not sure I'm in the correct #channel | 03:20 |
| ryouma | i'm talking about browsers alone really | 03:21 |
| ryouma | LjL: i wonder if you have tried, and i would be curious what the result is if you have and don't mind sharing, is covering your eyes completely and lying still with no sound of anything else, for HOURS | 03:21 |
| bin_bash | molechild: this convo is a bit off-topic | 03:21 |
| ryouma | it could be a dysautonomia-related thing | 03:21 |
| molechild | how did the topic get to GDPR | 03:21 |
| LjL | ryouma, i need sound because i have tinnitus | 03:21 |
| LjL | so i have a white noise machine constantly running | 03:21 |
| ryouma | then with that | 03:22 |
| LjL | but yeah, when i feel completely overwhelmed i sometimes give up and just lie on the couch with my eyes closed | 03:22 |
| ryouma | i don't think that would make it less effective | 03:22 |
| LjL | "try to relax", and after an hour or so it works a bit | 03:22 |
| ryouma | the trick would be to do it for hours | 03:22 |
| molechild | any rules they would write now, are written by the Corporate Overlords anyway...at least in the US | 03:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Paris Put On Maximum Alert As Coronavirus 'Is Moving Too Fast' → https://is.gd/pSTuKc | 03:23 |
| LjL | ryouma, i don't think it's accurate to say that "staying up late helps my anxiety", it probably makes it worse overall... but the thing is that it's during the late hours that the anxiety is a bit lower, often, so i can be a bit less ragey and more talkative and all that | 03:23 |
| molechild | LjL, your RHR is > 100bpm? | 03:23 |
| LjL | molechild, often around 100 when sitting | 03:24 |
| molechild | sounds like hyperthyroidism or so | 03:24 |
| LjL | my thyroid has been checked before. i have all sorts of anxiety disorders, i think | 03:24 |
| LjL | i was given a beta-blocked for a while, and it dropped to 50-60, i stopped taking it and it strangely stayed at 50-60 (sometimes even less!) for a long time even without taking it | 03:25 |
| LjL | then slowly it went back up again | 03:25 |
| ryouma | LjL: that is pretty much what i assumed | 03:26 |
| molechild | LjL, whats 'a long time' | 03:27 |
| LjL | molechild, some months, i'm not sure i could be more precise | 03:27 |
| LjL | maybe six | 03:27 |
| dTal | I find exercise and meditation to be useful coping strategies in the face of extreme anxiety | 03:28 |
| Spec | LjL: yeah, have you tried mindfulness | 03:29 |
| LjL | Spec, get fucked | 03:29 |
| dTal | certainly not cures, but they're better than not doing them | 03:29 |
| Spec | LjL: :P | 03:29 |
| dTal | a surprisingly effective thing, for the amount of time it takes, is to find someplace relaxing and sit, set a timer, and think of absolutely nothing for 10 minutes | 03:30 |
| dTal | 10 minutes feels like an hour when you're trying to keep your mind empty | 03:31 |
| LjL | %fdroid meditation | 03:33 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Meditation Assistant 1.6.1 (sh.ftp.rocketninelabs.meditationassistant.opensource) in https://f-droid.org/repo: Feature packed meditation session timer and recorder - updated 2020-09-30, see https://gitlab.com/tslocum/meditationassistant/blob/HEAD/CHANGELOG | 03:33 |
| LjL | maybe i should gamify it | 03:33 |
| molechild | cardiac rhythm stuff gets complicated https://www.msdmanuals.com/professional/cardiovascular-disorders/arrhythmias-and-conduction-disorders/overview-of-arrhythmias#v936688 | 03:34 |
| LjL | but also honestly i think part of me doesn't want to try anything to lower my anxiety... because, you know, it might be successful, and then i'd be so empty i'd not even have my anxiety anymore :\ | 03:34 |
| LjL | molechild, i think when the opportunity arises (which may not be soon, given COVID circumstances) i'll try to get a stress test. i've had an ECG, but my heart rhythm is normal, if a bit fast, while i'm just lying there | 03:35 |
| dTal | lol my resting heartrate is 40bpm and I'm anxious as anything | 03:36 |
| LjL | 40! | 03:36 |
| dTal | yup | 03:36 |
| dTal | you'd think I'm a pro athlete, but nope, just genetic low blood pressure | 03:36 |
| LjL | dTal, well, when the beta-blocker took and kept my heartrate at 50-60 (and it did go as low as 40 sometimes), i still felt anxious, i didn't feel like that made me any less anxious | 03:36 |
| LjL | dTal, low blood pressure *and* low heartrate? that's not a great combination methinks | 03:37 |
| LjL | i mean, as long as you don't faint, i guess it's okay | 03:37 |
| dTal | eh, that's *super* resting heartrate, it doesn't usually get that low unless I'm lying still in bed | 03:37 |
| molechild | LjL, so-called white coat HTN is said to raise ?SBP by 10 points | 03:37 |
| dTal | but then it's weird to hear my heartbeat... "thump.... thump... thump..." | 03:38 |
| dTal | I get woozy if I stand up too fast but I don't faint | 03:38 |
| LjL | hmm | 03:38 |
| LjL | well, i would suggest not standing up too fast :P | 03:38 |
| LjL | partly because the "too" makes it a tautoology | 03:39 |
| dTal | now why didn't I think of that :p | 03:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Early vaccine hope fading away → https://is.gd/ndGAvv | 03:44 |
| eggbean | :( | 03:49 |
| molechild | fake news eggbean :) | 03:51 |
| LjL | yeah it's about Bangladesh, which is important, but the headline's a tad too sweeping when taken out of geographical context | 03:51 |
| eggbean | Well it's just the Bangladeshi perspective? | 03:52 |
| eggbean | right | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Fight Breaks Out On Flight To Provo After Passenger Refuses To Wear Mask → https://is.gd/VPCljI | 04:06 |
| molechild | LjL, so cardiology said it might just be anxiety? | 04:23 |
| LjL | molechild, i'm not sure they said that explicitly, but they certainly didn't mention any actual cardiological diagnosis | 04:24 |
| ryouma | does cetirizine or fexofenadine do anything for you | 04:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: CDC Confirms Covid is Airborne Transmitted → https://is.gd/rR8fBt | 04:27 |
| LjL | ryouma, i don't think i've ever used either | 04:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: With the White House in the background, 20,000 chairs, each representing 10 Americans killed by the novel coronavirus, are lined up Sunday on the Ellipse for the first National Covid-19 Remembrance. → https://is.gd/p7wwGt | 04:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Governor releases video urging Michiganders to wear masks, practice social distancing → https://is.gd/R3Dh1X | 05:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: White House blocks new coronavirus vaccine guidelines → https://is.gd/L6fLoU | 05:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: LSU football to remove CDC wellness checks, resume alcohol sales at Tiger Stadium → https://is.gd/iIoNq0 | 06:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Indirect effects of the COVID-19 pandemic coincide with a heavy mental health burden: The COVID-19 pandemic is taking a heavy mental health toll even on people who are not directly impacted by the disease, shows a new study in Frontiers in Psychiatry. → https://is.gd/f5yOsm | 06:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Nearly 60% of coronavirus tests in Argentina return positive — the world’s highest rate → https://is.gd/2OdJp9 | 06:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Schools in New York City hot spots to close again – as it happened → https://is.gd/wyIit8 | 07:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mexico: +28115 cases (now 789780), +2789 deaths (now 81877) since a day ago — World: +67798 cases (now 35.9 million), +3464 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 5 hours ago — Quebec, Canada: +1191 cases (now 79650), +6 deaths (now 5884) since a day ago — France: +11846 cases (now 636196) since 9 hours ago | 07:09 |
| AndreasKunstmann | https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/10/06/trmp-o06.html | 07:12 |
| tinwhiskers | much as I don't like trump, that is a pretty extreme article, oozing with emotional hyperbole. | 07:14 |
| tinwhiskers | surely we can do better than that or do we need allow extreme right propaganda as well? | 07:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Lana Del Rey criticized for wearing mesh mask while meeting fans at book signing → https://is.gd/1SjUFf | 07:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sonora, Mexico: +9609 cases (now 34581), +38 deaths (now 2963) since a day ago — Catalonia, Spain: +5551 cases (now 148015) since 2 days ago — Mexico City, Mexico: +3668 cases (now 133961), +1386 deaths (now 13663) since a day ago — Baja California, Mexico: +1990 cases (now 32358), +10 deaths (now 4064) since a day ago | 07:24 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Face Masks, Public Policies and Slowing the Spread of COVID-19: Evidence from Canada (80 votes) | https://www.nber.org/papers/w27891 | https://redd.it/j5tqx2 | 07:27 |
| tinwhiskers | AndreasKunstmann: further to this, I see from the logs that you've never spoken in here other than to post links to that rather extreme socialist web site. I regard myself somewhat as a socialist, however this channel isn't just a place for you to spam unsolicited links to one specific site. If you're not going to contribute in any meaningful way I personally think you should stop posting those links. They are extremely biased. | 07:29 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: just want to raise your attention to this as you may not find it problematic as I do. | 07:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sri Lanka: +220 cases (now 3733) since 10 hours ago — World: +1737 cases (now 35.9 million) since 29 minutes ago — Israel: +1517 cases (now 273826) since 9 hours ago | 07:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Israel’s coronavirus lockdown fuels protests, violence and confusion → https://is.gd/yzqAdS | 07:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Mike Pompeo seeks to show united front on China despite pandemic → https://is.gd/YNo7Rx | 07:52 |
| molechild | might check out their podcast sometime, much of it is refreshingly honest | 08:11 |
| molechild | hard to find nowadays, can take the rest with grains of salt | 08:12 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: GABA administration prevents severe illness and death following coronavirus infection in mice (80 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.04.325423v1 | https://redd.it/j5koil | 08:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: No community transmission for 11 days in NSW; Leader arrives at the White House following COVID-19 treatment; Victoria records 15 new cases of COVID-19, one death; Treasurer to hand down Federal Budget → https://is.gd/zUSrVp | 08:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Dr. Fauci Says Some Places 'Better Hold Off' on Thanksgiving Celebrations → https://is.gd/KhnIlH | 08:46 |
| AndreasKunstmann | <tinwhiskers "Andreas Kunstmann: further to th"> You are contradicting yourself - as socialists defend free speech. And there is nothing "extreme" in the articles I linked to. Do you doubt that Donald Trump is a major factor in spreading Covid-19 ? | 08:53 |
| tinwhiskers | AndreasKunstmann: not at all. That's not the point. | 08:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: New York CIty courthouses present an 'unacceptably high risk' for contracting Covid-19, report says → https://is.gd/F9vNWf | 08:57 |
| AndreasKunstmann | <tinwhiskers "Andreas Kunstmann: not at all. T"> What is the point then? | 08:57 |
| tinwhiskers | you're using this channel as a place to spam that web site, not report news. | 08:59 |
| tinwhiskers | If I see it again I'll be putting a stop to it unless you also get involved in discussions. | 09:00 |
| AndreasKunstmann | You obviously are opposed to those WSWS articles for political reasons and defend the political establishment which is responsible for the Covid-19 catastrophy. | 09:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Nearly One-Third of Covid Patients in Study Had Altered Mental State → https://is.gd/kFJL7Z | 09:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The coronavirus continues to be a phishing nightmare → https://is.gd/JJv8Ae | 09:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +11615 cases (now 1.2 million), +188 deaths (now 21663) since a day ago — World: +13396 cases (now 35.9 million), +222 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 2 hours ago — Hungary: +818 cases (now 32298), +20 deaths (now 853) since a day ago — Georgia: +549 cases (now 9245), +4 deaths (now 58) since 17 hours ago | 09:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 transmission rebounds quickly after physical distancing rules are relaxed: Across the U.S., the relaxation of statewide physical distancing measures that are designed to control the COVID-19 pandemic frequently resulted in an immediate reversal of public health gains against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/vyCNzC | 09:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Lopinavir-ritonavir is not an effective treatment for patients hospitalised with COVID-19: The drug combination lopinavir-ritonavir is not an effective treatment for patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19, according to the results of a randomised controlled trial published in The Lancet. → https://is.gd/X08Wgo | 09:51 |
| elephantintheroo | hello everyone, how about we start with the elephant in the room? COVID IS A LIE. | 09:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: CDC says coronavirus can spread indoors in updated guidance: The top U.S. public health agency said Monday that the coronavirus can spread more than 6 feet through the air, especially in poorly ventilated and enclosed spaces. But agency officials maintained that such spread is uncommon and current social distancing guidelines [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5IQ2oz | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: WHO calls for action against rising 'pandemic fatigue': The World Health Organization warned European countries Tuesday about "pandemic fatigue" which it says threatens the continent's ability to tackle the coronavirus. → https://is.gd/eUaqnJ | 10:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: What is COVAX and why does it matter for getting vaccines to developing nations? → https://is.gd/xcR7Oy | 10:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: In London, rain, a £10,000 fine & Covid rules fail to dampen spirits of protesters → https://is.gd/BcjA2a | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sri Lanka: +246 cases (now 3979) since 3 hours ago — World: +9395 cases (now 35.9 million), +217 deaths (now 1.1 million) since an hour ago — Indonesia: +4056 cases (now 311176), +121 deaths (now 11374) since 23 hours ago — Poland: +2236 cases (now 104316), +58 deaths (now 2717) since 23 hours ago | 10:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: A viral march across the planet, tracked by a map in motion → https://is.gd/SvobyL | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Canada adds 2,206 new coronavirus cases, marking highest daily increase yet → https://is.gd/q8nEGm | 11:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Finland: +227 cases (now 10929) since 21 hours ago — World: +228 cases (now 35.9 million) since 33 minutes ago — Papua New Guinea: +1 cases (now 541) since 2 days ago | 11:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 2,236 new COVID-19 infections in Poland, active cases rising → https://is.gd/HX64QK | 11:27 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2 (81 votes) | https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/10/02/science.abf0521 | https://redd.it/j5queo | 11:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Clare Gerada: Bracing for the second wave: We’re gearing up for the inevitable second wave of this pandemic, this time over the long, dark days of winter. Over the summer, as the sun shone brightly and restaurants and pubs opened, we could... → https://is.gd/NWD1Fm | 11:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Why telemedicine is here to stay: “It’s arrived with a bang,” says Sam Wessley, a London based GP. “When covid-19 hit, we were instructed to discourage patients from entering the practice physically in order to keep them and the... → https://is.gd/5HycV1 | 11:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malaysia: +691 cases (now 13504), +4 deaths (now 141) since a day ago — Maharashtra, India: +10244 cases (now 1.5 million), +263 deaths (now 38347) since 20 hours ago — Karnataka, India: +7051 cases (now 647712), +84 deaths (now 9370) since 20 hours ago — Tamil Nadu, India: +5395 cases (now 625391), +62 deaths (now 9846) since 20 hours ago | 12:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Neurologic Symptoms Are Very Common Among U.S. Coronavirus Patients, Study Says → https://is.gd/1We8cp | 12:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Man Killed After Confronting Fellow New York Bar Patron For Not Wearing Mask → https://is.gd/Uquuu8 | 12:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Destination of the week: Singapore considers starting ‘cruise to nowhere’ amid the pandemic → https://is.gd/pcM3SQ | 12:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: EU regulator starts review of BioNTech-Pfizer vaccine: European regulators are evaluating early data from a coronavirus vaccine being developed by Germany's BioNTech and US giant Pfizer, the firms said Tuesday, under a fast-track procedure aimed at speeding up the approvals process. → https://is.gd/2vbgy7 | 12:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iran: +4151 cases (now 479825), +227 deaths (now 27419) since 23 hours ago — World: +12028 cases (now 35.9 million), +350 deaths (now 1.1 million) since an hour ago — India: +2165 cases (now 6.7 million), +29 deaths (now 103629) since 6 hours ago — Romania: +2121 cases (now 139612), +73 deaths (now 5121) since a day ago | 13:05 |
| AndreasKunstmann | https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/10/06/ukco-o06.html | 13:06 |
| AndreasKunstmann | https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/10/02/caro-o02.html | 13:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Masks, Social Distancing Will Likely Be Needed Until Late 2021, Fauci Says During Virtual Event In Md. → https://is.gd/tRlGCe | 13:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Only half of 16 000 patients missed from England’s official figures have been contacted: Details of nearly 16 000 cases of covid-19 were not transferred to England’s NHS Test and Trace service and were missed from official figures because of an error in the process for updating the... → https://is.gd/dsn6E9 | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Trump is trying to project 'invincibility' after coming down with coronavirus, critic says: President Trump wants to appear strong despite testing positive for the coronavirus, said David Smith of the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney. → https://is.gd/rK9cFx | 13:46 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: BioNTech and Pfizer Initiate Rolling Submission to European Medicines Agency for SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine Candidate BNT162b2 (80 votes) | https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/biontech-and-pfizer-initiate-rolling-submission-european | https://redd.it/j626l3 | 13:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: Fifth of people experiencing mental health issues due to coronavirus, major new survey shows → https://is.gd/D06gJg | 13:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Iceland: +101 cases (now 3081) since 22 hours ago — World: +1392 cases (now 35.9 million), +12 deaths (now 1.1 million) since an hour ago — Kuwait: +676 cases (now 108268), +4 deaths (now 632) since 22 hours ago — Azerbaijan: +143 cases (now 40931), +2 deaths (now 600) since 22 hours ago | 14:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: 'No Jab, No Pay' raises catch-up vaccination rates: The national "No Jab, No Pay" policy has been associated with substantial catch-up vaccination activity in lower socio-economic status areas in Australia, according to research published today by the Medical Journal of Australia. → https://is.gd/FTE8nL | 14:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: A synthetic vaccine against meningococcus: Leiden chemists recreated the bacterial capsule of meningococcus in the lab. With a few modifications, these capsules can serve as an extra safe and effective vaccine against these notorious bacteria, which can cause, for example, meningitis. Ph.D. candidate Jacopo Enotarpi and his [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/yxhfEL | 14:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from NIH Director's blog: Rogue Antibodies and Gene Mutations Explain Some Cases of Severe COVID-19: One of the many perplexing issues with COVID-19 is that it affects people so differently. That has researchers trying to explain why some people will bounce right back from the virus, or even not know they have it -- and others will become [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/pWnkGJ | 15:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +4136 cases (now 144999), +4 deaths (now 6482) since 7 hours ago — Sweden: +1862 cases (now 96145) since 3 days ago — World: +8181 cases (now 35.9 million), +111 deaths (now 1.1 million) since an hour ago — US: +549 cases (now 7.7 million), +42 deaths (now 215081) since an hour ago | 15:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Young people who game with friends build stronger ties: Games can play an important role in dealing with loneliness among adolescents. By playing video games together, they can build deeper friendships. This was shown in research done by behavioral psychologist Geert Verheijen, who will receive his Ph.D. from Radboud University [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ToRml6 | 15:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: It's all connected: Your genes, your environment, and your health: Human health is highly dependent on genetics, yet it is also known to be affected by factors in an individual's environment—and these days that environment is quite stressful. As we shelter in place amid the coronavirus pandemic, anxiety combined with changes [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/CydG9Z | 15:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Tax credits as a national prescription for health: Alleviating poverty and improving maternal child health outcomes: In a perspective published in Pediatrics, a Boston Medical Center pediatrician advocates for tax credit policy changes to expand access to cash refunds as a means to alleviate poverty, improve maternal-child [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/dQ7Mgg | 15:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Can vitamin D help the body fight coronavirus? Here’s what a study finds → https://is.gd/z1xvHs | 15:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT Plus: Pharmalittle: White House halts new Covid-19 vaccine standards; GSK and Vir expanding coronavirus antibody trial: A White House decision to halt release of new standards for emergency authorization of a Covid-19 vaccine came after top officials told the FDA the pharmaceutical industry objected to tougher… → https://is.gd/NX7A5G | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Iran reports over 4,000 COVID cases, most in a day: Iran announced on Tuesday more than 4,000 new cases of COVID-19 infection, the most in a single day for the Middle East country hardest hit by the pandemic. → https://is.gd/pHbovA | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19 elimination: consider population level effects of vaccine: I wish to echo Martin McKee’s view that there is undue pessimism regarding a covid-19 vaccination.1 Not only has encouraging vaccine development been remarkably fast, but its effect at a population... → https://is.gd/iSaTyI | 16:40 |
| LjL | whytek, there is no reason to announce who you put in your ignore list. if you think someone is a problem for the channel in general, please contact ops | 16:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from In The Pipeline: The Sad (and Saddening) History of Makena: Longtime readers (and longtime drug industry folks!) may remember the Makena story from 2011. That is a progesterone ester drug that has been given to women at risk of preterm labor, and it came into the news when a small company called KV Pharmaceuticals used an FDA program that [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/0RhmGm | 16:51 |
| LjL | AndreasKunstmann, there is a lot of extremely loaded language in the first article i checked that you linked. additionally, i don't know what you think socialism is, but in my book "free speech" does not extend to being able to say what you want in the way in a private venue, such as this channel, regardless of the wishes the other people in there. that is in fact an _extreme_ interpretation of free speech. additionally, the fact that you go "you obviously | 16:52 |
| LjL | are... for political reasons... and defend the establishment..." when tinwhiskers complained is, again in my book, a very typical, very obvious sign that you're nothing but trouble | 16:52 |
| LjL | so give me a reason why you shouldn't leave this channel, or leave this channel, or at least stop posting those things, especially without any context. | 16:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Nine COVID-19 Myths That Just Won't Go Away: From a human-made virus to vaccine conspiracy theories, we rounded up the most persistent false claims about the pandemic -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/HHaOzk | 17:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Schools closed in virus hot spots as NYC battles flare-ups: Hundreds of public and private schools in New York City neighborhoods seeing flare-ups of COVID-19 infections were closed Tuesday amid mixed messages from the mayor about how best to halt the spread of the coronavirus in the affected neighborhoods. → https://is.gd/tGVkf9 | 17:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Has COVID-19 knocked us onto our backsides?: Because of the COVID-19 pandemic, most universities across the United States transitioned from face-to-face classes to remote learning, closed campuses and sent students home this past spring. Such changes, coupled with social distancing guidelines, have altered social interactions [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/eUfYqx | 17:24 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Lana Del Rey criticized for wearing mesh mask while meeting fans at book signing (10137 votes) | https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lana-del-rey-mesh-face-mask-book-signing/ | https://redd.it/j5z3yv | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says he's 'looking forward' to second debate with Biden after Covid diagnosis → https://is.gd/e4aUv6 | 17:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Trump press secretary Kayleigh McEnany and two deputies test positive for coronavirus: Kayleigh McEnany is one of at least18 people linked to the White House, including President Trump, Melania Trump and Hope Hicks, who have tested positive for Covid-19. → https://is.gd/QLLlhm | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +84426 cases (now 36.0 million), +1056 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 3 hours ago — Jordan: +1537 cases (now 19001), +12 deaths (now 122) since a day ago — India: +37133 cases (now 6.7 million), +403 deaths (now 104032) since 5 hours ago — United Kingdom: +13216 cases (now 530113) since 11 hours ago | 18:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: France plans punishment, including jail terms for 'virginity tests' → https://is.gd/JPrECs | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: I am Beverley Hunt, OBE, Professor at King’s College in London and Consultant at Guy’s & St. Thomas’ Hospitals. I am on the front lines of the pandemic developing clinical guidance on treating patients that develop blood clots. Ask me anything about the correlation between COVID-19 and blood clots!: Hello, Reddit! My name [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/dGtTFW | 18:40 |
| LjL-Matrix | Either my idea of BLE range is all wrong, or after all, it's not so few people using the tracing app even though supposedly only 5 million out of 60 have downloaded it | 18:59 |
| LjL-Matrix | I'm in a park, but really not many people were near me | 18:59 |
| LjL-Matrix | The weather sucks so it's not crowded at all | 18:59 |
| LjL-Matrix | ("Total" is low because I had just started the scanner app) | 19:00 |
| LjL-Matrix | Maybe most of the people who have downloaded the app are concentrated in Lombardy, which would make some sense | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: 'My Brain's Not as Sharp': Covid Woes Stalk Workers Back on Job → https://is.gd/xXChl1 | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: FDA releases coronavirus vaccine guidelines, defying WH → https://is.gd/WYHkwQ | 19:13 |
| AndreasKunstmann | LjL: I do not know why you created this channel. Until today I thought that it was in some way intended to contribute in defeating the pandemy. The main cause for the large number of deaths in the US are decisions made by both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party. I wonder if you are more interested in preventing "loaded" discussions about these political developments (and "trouble") than in preventing | 19:15 |
| AndreasKunstmann | deaths caused by the pandemy. | 19:15 |
| trotsky | AndreasKunstmann, try it in ##coronavirus-vox not here | 19:18 |
| LjL | AndreasKunstmann: you got me, I'm in all ways intending to increase the deaths from the pandemic, especially in the US because I hate freedom in particular | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Heart patients need to be wary of coronavirus: (HealthDay)—The coronavirus pandemic and flu season pose a double risk for heart disease patients, so they need to be extra vigilant about their health, the American College of Cardiology (ACC) says. → https://is.gd/n83Tut | 19:23 |
| tinwhiskers | AndreasKunstmann: this is a channel for news and discussion about covid. Most here would agree with you regarding the terrible mismanagement by the Republican party, but that's just a distraction since you are neither posting news, nor discussing things. You are just posting extreme propaganda, which has little to do with truth. | 19:28 |
| tinwhiskers | This is not a soapbox for your extreme socialist propaganda. | 19:28 |
| tinwhiskers | It's propaganda of the lowest order that smacks of Vietnam war style Radio Hanoi tripe. If you're not going to get involved and just spam that site you should leave and do it elsewhere | 19:30 |
| tinwhiskers | And your accusations as to our motives are ridiculous. You're just using this to spam your site and hiding behind a lie of it being covid related. | 19:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Your only options now are to agree not to post that stuff any more unless you get involved in discussing covid here, or take it elsewhere. | 19:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Physicians' group encourages CMS to ensure payment changes move forward: The American College of Physicians (ACP) conveyed their strong support for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services' (CMS) decision to implement changes in payments and documentation requirements for physicians who bill Evaluation and Management [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/GbJO0K | 19:34 |
| dTal | gotta say | 19:41 |
| dTal | although I agree that just posting links to one website and not chatting isn't really a productive mode of discourse | 19:41 |
| dTal | and the tone of the article is inflammatory | 19:41 |
| AndreasKunstmann | <trotsky "Andreas Kunstmann, try it in ##c"> Is that accessible as a matrix room ? | 19:42 |
| dTal | I can't actually find anything in it that's factually wrong | 19:42 |
| tinwhiskers | It's propaganda and not suitable for this forum. If AndreasKunstmann is really interested in covid and not just that site in particular then it will be no problem to stop posting that stuff here. | 19:44 |
| tinwhiskers | There's plenty of better sources for that information that are not laden with such propaganda | 19:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump says he's 'looking forward' to second debate with Biden after Covid diagnosis → https://is.gd/e4aUv6 | 19:45 |
| Jigsy | 15K today. | 19:45 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 19:46 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 530113 confirmed cases (0.8% of the population) and 45712 deaths (8.6% of cases) as of an hour ago. 26.1 million tests were performed (2.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 19:46 |
| trotsky | why don't you use hexchat application instead | 19:48 |
| Jigsy | My local store has Halloween stuff out. | 19:49 |
| Jigsy | Can't imagine why, though. | 19:49 |
| Jigsy | People can't go trick or treating, and there's clearly not going to be any parties. | 19:49 |
| Jigsy | So what's the point? | 19:49 |
| tinwhiskers | I guess you can still get in the spirit at home. | 19:50 |
| LjL | spirit, as in ghost, right? | 19:50 |
| tinwhiskers | Where I come from we don't trick or treat anyway (although it is catching on in recent years) | 19:50 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: haha...yeah, totally intended | 19:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Previous infection with other types of coronaviruses may lessen severity of COVID-19: Being previously infected with coronaviruses that cause the 'common cold' may decrease the severity of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) infections, according to results of a new study. Led by researchers at Boston [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/huWocb | 19:56 |
| trotsky | Jigsy, maybe you can buy some orange makeup | 19:57 |
| tinwhiskers | Orange zombie | 19:58 |
| trotsky | and some protein spike masks and get the long red cravat | 19:59 |
| tinwhiskers | Heh | 20:00 |
| Jigsy | In order to combat the recent resurge of COVID-19 cases, pubs will no longer be shutting at 22:00 but now shutting at 21:59. | 20:02 |
| Jigsy | :P | 20:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-score: A tool to evaluate public perception of countries' response to the pandemic: The Barcelona Institute for Global Health (ISGlobal), a center supported by the "la Caixa" Foundation, in coordination with the City University of New York Graduate School of Public Health & Health Policy (CUNY SPH) and other international [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/2z791Z | 20:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Lockdown stress not so bad after all, but vulnerable families hit harder: During the 'intelligent lockdown' in the Netherlands this spring, the respondents in a Leiden study reported a mild increase in their stress levels. This extra stress could have a negative effect on families, particularly if parents already had [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/egP1bP | 20:18 |
| Arsanerit | Is it relevant to focus on total number of confirmed cases, or would number of number of hospital cases be more useful? | 20:21 |
| iz | depends on what your purpose is | 20:22 |
| Arsanerit | purpose, to decide on lockdowns or lesser public restrictions | 20:23 |
| iz | probably total number of confirmed cases | 20:23 |
| iz | because that will be a better measure of how it's spreading, assuing sufficent testing is in place.. hospital cases won't really reflect that as well | 20:24 |
| Arsanerit | German has nearly 3000 cases per day, but a low hospitalisation rate and less than 2% (IIRC) of intensive care beds occupied by covid-19 patients — it would seem that Germany can "afford" 3000 cases per day when most cases are as mild as they are now | 20:25 |
| iz | unless you are making those decisions based on hospital availability.. then the other might be better | 20:25 |
| Arsanerit | if hospitals are nowhere near being overwhelmed and people are quarantining after a positive test, are such restrictions really needed? | 20:25 |
| iz | well, focusing on hospital cases is more of a too-late strategy, but have to do what you can | 20:26 |
| iz | you want to look at confirmed cases and how that is changing if you want to try to stop it before it gets bad | 20:26 |
| Arsanerit | how it is changing, sure | 20:26 |
| Arsanerit | if confirmed new cases increase by 10% every day there is an urgent problem | 20:26 |
| iz | yeah, exactly.. wouldn't see that type of thing if just looking at hospitalization rate, until it's too late | 20:27 |
| Arsanerit | but the threshold I've seen in use by authorities in different countries is based on new cases per week or per fortnight, not on increase in new cases | 20:27 |
| iz | well, i think they are looking at when that number is increasing and that's when they do stuff | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Romania struggles to contain virus with tougher controls: Romania announced tighter measures against the spread of the coronavirus Tuesday, as the country's intensive care units struggled with an influx of patients. → https://is.gd/NRdlRJ | 20:28 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Adolescent with COVID-19 as the Source of an Outbreak at a 3-Week Family Gathering — Four States, June–July 2020 (83 votes) | https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6940e2.htm | https://redd.it/j640pg | 20:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Violence against women: Africa’s shadow pandemic → https://is.gd/DoLjjA | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Boeing slashes forecast for new aircraft demand, expects coronavirus pandemic to hurt sales for more than a decade → https://is.gd/i1XkQ5 | 20:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Expert discusses how COVID-19 is monitored: When someone is infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, they can feel a variety of different ways. Some people will be completely asymptomatic, while others will have symptoms, and some can even become severely ill. Many people with symptoms will have fever, chills, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Vl0E7q | 21:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: COVID-19 ICU Patients Have High Risk of Clots: The odds of a clot are highest for the most critically ill patients. Analysis of 66 studies found that 23% of COVID-19 patients in an intensive care unit (ICU) developed a blood clot in the leg, known as a deep vein thrombosis (DVT). → https://is.gd/opTAkp | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +61377 cases (now 36.1 million), +987 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 3 hours ago — India: +17236 cases (now 6.7 million), +188 deaths (now 104220) since 3 hours ago — US: +16959 cases (now 7.7 million), +257 deaths (now 215478) since 3 hours ago — Spain: +12793 cases (now 865631), +261 deaths (now 32486) since a day ago | 21:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +2130 cases (now 36.1 million), +31 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 18 minutes ago — US: +2057 cases (now 7.7 million), +28 deaths (now 215506) since 18 minutes ago — Michigan, US: +1152 cases (now 143878), +22 deaths (now 7161) since a day ago — Utah, US: +716 cases (now 79439), +6 deaths (now 488) since a day ago | 21:52 |
| AndreasKunstmann | tinwhiskers: You left no doubt that you strongly disagree with the political analysis contained in the linked articles. The description of these articles as "propaganda" therefore is not surprising as it is used as an excuse to attack (and censor) the analysis without commenting on the analysis. Your claim that those articles are not covid-related ("hiding behind a lie of it being covid related") is at least | 22:05 |
| AndreasKunstmann | ridiculous as anyone can easily verify. | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from PLOS: Alexander C. Tsai: Correction: Social distancing to slow the US COVID-19 epidemic: Longitudinal pretest–posttest comparison group study → https://is.gd/dXE9mq | 22:06 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Masks, Social Distancing Will Likely Be Needed Until Late 2021, Fauci Says During Virtual Event In Md. (10304 votes) | https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2020/10/02/coronavirus-masks-social-distancing-anthony-fauci-gbmc-latest/ | https://redd.it/j634gy | 22:26 |
| tinwhiskers | AndreasKunstmann: OK, you've said your piece now but there's to be no more posting from your site please unless you want to be involved in discussions here and not just trying to drive up your traffic so we'll just leave it there. | 22:48 |
| trotsky | AndreasKunstmann, your on matrix? I don't see an [m] by your nick | 22:50 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Vitamin D status and seroconversion for COVID-19 in UK healthcare workers who isolated for COVID-19 like symptoms during the 2020 pandemic. (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.05.20206706v1 | https://redd.it/j65kpm | 22:50 |
| trotsky | AndreasKunstmann, do you use linux? | 22:50 |
| AndreasKunstmann | <trotsky "Andreas Kunstmann, do you use li"> Why? | 22:51 |
| AndreasKunstmann | <trotsky "Andreas Kunstmann, your on matri"> Yes, I am using a matrix account. | 22:52 |
| trotsky | AndreasKunstmann, do you know how to add other channels comrade? | 22:55 |
| AndreasKunstmann | tinwhiskers: "no more posting from your site please unless you want to be involved in discussions here" I was always willing to be involved in discussions here. | 22:59 |
| tinwhiskers | Was there something preventing you doing that? | 23:00 |
| trotsky | AndreasKunstmann, what language do you speak? no offense | 23:02 |
| tinwhiskers | AndreasKunstmann: You've been coming here since 2020-06-23 but have only posted links to your site and never said a word. If you really had an interest in discussions and not just spamming surely you would have had an opportunity in nearly 4 months? | 23:04 |
| trotsky | maybe need a 'prove your human' click-through :) | 23:06 |
| trotsky | oh I see matrix has IP masks | 23:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): HHS threatens to withhold federal funding from hospitals that fail to report coronavirus data → https://is.gd/rSicEl | 23:10 |
| AndreasKunstmann | <tinwhiskers "Andreas Kunstmann: You've been c"> No. There were no comments regarding the articles nor other postings by people I found worth replying to. And most postings were and are by bots anyway. | 23:15 |
| tinwhiskers | a +q will do no harm then since you have nothing to say | 23:16 |
| Jigsy | I think I'm a robot. :< | 23:25 |
| Jigsy | At least Google ReCaptcha always tells me that. | 23:27 |
| Jigsy | Maybe they're right... | 23:27 |
| LjL | Jigsy, or maybe you are human enough to sometimes clear your cookies or use private tabs | 23:30 |
| Jigsy | I just have third party cookies turned off and use an adblock. | 23:30 |
| Jigsy | I've started calling it Google Gaslight. | 23:30 |
| Arsanerit | I can't usually pass those either. | 23:32 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Model Shows How COVID-19 Could Lead to Runaway Inflammation (80 votes) | https://www.pittwire.pitt.edu/news/model-shows-how-covid-19-could-lead-runaway-inflammation | https://redd.it/j6adac | 23:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for World: +45030 cases (now 36.1 million), +1211 deaths (now 1.1 million) since 2 hours ago — Brazil: +22228 cases (now 5.0 million), +586 deaths (now 147494) since 5 hours ago — Bulgaria: +436 cases (now 22306), +8 deaths (now 862) since 22 hours ago — India: +12563 cases (now 6.8 million), +371 deaths (now 104591) since 2 hours ago | 23:53 |
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