| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: ‘Do Not Invite Anyone Over’ to Your Home, Chicago’s Top Doctor Urges (10193 votes) | https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicagos-top-doctor-urges-residents-do-not-invite-anyone-over-to-your-home/2355934/ | https://redd.it/je5dez | 00:09 |
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| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2152 cases (now 8.4 million), +25 deaths (now 225146) since 31 minutes ago — Canada: +122 cases (now 200861) since an hour ago | 00:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump calls Dr. Anthony Fauci a 'disaster,' says Americans 'are tired of Covid' as nation faces spiking cases → https://is.gd/j0fO8B | 00:42 |
| LjL | metreo, A #tsunami with a height of 2 ft/0.6 m was observed at Sand Point, AK. The warning remains in effect for South Alaska and the Alaska Peninsula for a magnitude 7.5 #earthquake. No warnings are in effect for anywhere else at this time. | 00:45 |
| LjL | much ado for not much | 00:45 |
| LjL | as, fortunately, is the case most of the time! | 00:45 |
| LjL | even with pandemics, although that was not so fortunate, given the result | 00:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +1132 cases (now 8.4 million), +5 deaths (now 225151) since 31 minutes ago | 00:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus hospitalizations are growing in 37 states as Fauci warns the world not 'on the road' to ending pandemic yet → https://is.gd/d9b5AQ | 01:05 |
| steelthorn3 | So do masks work? | 01:16 |
| the-wes | yes. for a particular definition of "work" | 01:20 |
| steelthorn3 | anyone here got it? | 01:26 |
| dTal | I have a mask, yeah | 01:26 |
| steelthorn3 | what's a cool mask to wear without looking like a pussy | 01:26 |
| steelthorn3 | no, i mean anyone here got covid? | 01:26 |
| dTal | someone's gonna think you're a pussy no matter what you do, including wearing no mask | 01:29 |
| dTal | I wouldn't put too much stock in what other people think | 01:30 |
| ryouma | sage | 01:31 |
| dTal | IRC is a bad place to find people with covid, partly because if you're sick you barely have the energy to sit up, but mostly because nobody on IRC goes outside or meets anyone ever | 01:33 |
| LjL | also sage | 01:33 |
| steelthorn3 | lay down crew? | 01:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Amid Trump Failure to Get Pandemic Under Control, Canada Extends Border Closure With US → https://is.gd/c8IFQL | 02:01 |
| steelthorn3 | Canada's covid uptick is looking curvier than ours | 02:06 |
| steelthorn3 | Real countries have curves? | 02:07 |
| the-wes | I think the "neck gaiter" style masks have a lot of advantages, including looking less girly | 02:07 |
| the-wes | the really thin nylon ones though are worse than no mask | 02:07 |
| the-wes | you have to get a good one, they cost like $20 | 02:07 |
| steelthorn3 | this looks pretty girly https://www.amazon.com/iHeartRaves-Aquatic-Jungle-Seamless-Bandana/dp/B07B68HG7C/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=neck+covid+mask&qid=1603152492&sr=8-5 | 02:08 |
| the-wes | only by the pattern | 02:09 |
| the-wes | the skull or star patterns are a little better | 02:09 |
| dTal | what's wrong with girls? | 02:09 |
| steelthorn3 | some of my body parts are allergic to them | 02:10 |
| steelthorn3 | alright, bought the skull mouth one | 02:11 |
| the-wes | nothing at all. the problem is with people who don't want to evoke feminine imagery being forced to display it | 02:12 |
| the-wes | I might get one of the fawkes mask pattern | 02:13 |
| LjL | 1) who the hell cares about "looking girly" when wearing masks in a pandemic | 02:24 |
| LjL | 2) who the hell is forcing anyone to display girly-looking things | 02:25 |
| steelthorn3 | I do. I want to make sure covid doesn't get in the way of me getting herpes | 02:27 |
| LjL | chances are you already have herpes as it's prevalent in a majority of the population in most countries | 02:29 |
| LjL | whether you have flare ups is less easy to guess | 02:29 |
| steelthorn3 | :-( | 02:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Trump calls Dr. Anthony Fauci a 'disaster,' says Americans 'are tired of Covid' as nation faces spiking cases → https://is.gd/j0fO8B | 02:35 |
| iz | https://youtu.be/oeCDnCcwfwU | 02:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Report WHO finding of no efficacy of current antiviral regimens → https://is.gd/MGw8QQ | 03:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The state of Victoria, Australia went from over 700 new COVID cases per day to recording zero new cases in the last 24hours, thanks to a hard Stage 4 lockdown and mandatory mask-wearing → https://is.gd/ojFX5Y | 04:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Israel to start human trials of COVID vaccine candidate ‘Brilife’ towards Oct-end → https://is.gd/fdDta9 | 05:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +13154 cases (now 8.5 million), +71 deaths (now 225222) since 6 hours ago — France: +8402 cases (now 918679) since 10 hours ago — Belgium: +8227 cases (now 230480), +30 deaths (now 10443) since a day ago — Netherlands: +991 cases (now 237217), +26 deaths (now 6794) since 13 hours ago | 07:06 |
| Brainstorm | New preprint: Analysis of respiratory and systemic immune responses in COVID-19 reveals mechanisms of disease pathogenesis by Peter A. Szabo et al, published on 2020-10-19 at https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.10.15.20208041 [... want %more?] | 07:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +12760 cases (now 931439), +12 deaths (now 33635) since 43 minutes ago — Netherlands: +2004 cases (now 239221), +4 deaths (now 6798) since 16 minutes ago — Lombardy, Italy: +1687 cases (now 128456), +6 deaths (now 17084) since a day ago — United Kingdom: +1455 cases (now 742667) since 14 hours ago | 07:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: World Osteoporosis Day 2020: Here’s how to prevent the risk of osteoporosis amid pandemic → https://is.gd/Ma2OuD | 07:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Trump calls Dr. Anthony Fauci a 'disaster,' says Americans 'are tired of Covid' as nation faces spiking cases → https://is.gd/kDpbnp | 08:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK taps Open Orphan to explore vaccine trials that infect volunteers with coronavirus: The Covid-19 human challenge study model could potentially speed up the development of a vaccine. But bioethicists warn about potential harms. → https://is.gd/20FqHm | 08:52 |
| IndoAnon | finally | 08:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Noon deadline approaches for Manchester coronavirus deal → https://is.gd/IlLljO | 09:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: What are the treatment options for COVID-19? → https://is.gd/XavlgN | 09:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Virus, what virus? India gets back to work: India is on course to top the world in coronavirus cases, but from Maharashtra's whirring factories to Kolkata's thronging markets, people are back at work—and eager to forget the pandemic for festival season. → https://is.gd/LWJJpa | 09:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK taps Open Orphan to explore vaccine trials that infect volunteers with coronavirus: The Covid-19 human challenge study model could potentially speed up the development of a vaccine. But bioethicists warn about potential harms. → https://is.gd/20FqHm | 09:58 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: here's an example of a dupe CNBC (with four postings above). It even has the same url. | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Canada tops 200,000 COVID-19 cases: Canada, in the midst of a second wave of COVID-19 illnesses, topped 200,000 cases and inched closer to 10,000 deaths Monday, according to official data compiled by Canadian broadcasters CBC and CTV. → https://is.gd/ZJGe0i | 10:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Health: Why this week’s meeting of an FDA advisory panel on Covid-19 vaccines matters → https://is.gd/ifvdK6 | 10:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Covid-19: Simple precautionary measures and immunity-bosting tips for pregnant women → https://is.gd/0N6nBP | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Italy's Lombardy region to impose virus curfew: Italy's northern Lombardy region prepared Tuesday to impose a nighttime curfew, the most restrictive anti-coronavirus measure the country has seen since emerging from a national lockdown in the spring. → https://is.gd/ksqTRB | 11:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Coronavirus 'circuit breakers' and 'firebreaks:' What are they and do they work?: The term "circuit breaker" has become common parlance in the U.K. in recent weeks, as the country searches for a way to curb the second wave of the coronavirus in a short, sharp way. → https://is.gd/6q2iHL | 11:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: UK taps Open Orphan to explore vaccine trials that infect volunteers with coronavirus: The Covid-19 human challenge study model could potentially speed up the development of a vaccine. But bioethicists warn about potential harms. → https://is.gd/20FqHm | 11:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: UK researchers aim to infect volunteers to study COVID exposure: British researchers on Tuesday said they hope to expose healthy volunteers to the virus that causes COVID-19 in a groundbreaking study to discover the amount needed for people to become infected. → https://is.gd/LnjOTz | 11:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Noon deadline approaches for Manchester coronavirus deal → https://is.gd/IlLljO | 12:09 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: CDC advises booting travelers who refuse to wear masks on planes, trains, buses, other transportation (10026 votes) | https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/10/19/coronavirus-cdc-says-travelers-who-wont-wear-masks-should-get-booted/5983253002/ | https://redd.it/jebs08 | 12:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Dr. Scott Gottlieb: U.S. about 'a week away from a rapid acceleration' of coronavirus cases → https://is.gd/AHVSi1 | 12:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +3008 cases (now 86167), +6 deaths (now 2144) since 19 hours ago — US: +2388 cases (now 8.5 million), +19 deaths (now 225241) since 5 hours ago | 12:38 |
| drytrumpet | Raining like hell, what makes it to my hospital white mask? | 12:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Fortunes of China’s internet tycoons soar amid pandemic → https://is.gd/wScrAu | 12:55 |
| dTal | water + mask = bad | 12:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus likely to become as 'endemic' as the flu and a vaccine might not be able to stop it, top UK scientist says → https://is.gd/jn1Gab | 13:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Dr. Scott Gottlieb: U.S. about 'a week away from a rapid acceleration' of coronavirus cases → https://is.gd/AHVSi1 | 14:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: UK to begin ‘human challenge’ trials to speed up COVID-19 vaccine hunt → https://is.gd/TD9xIc | 14:44 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: 2.5 Million Person-Years of Life Have Been Lost Due to COVID-19 in the United States (82 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.18.20214783v1 | https://redd.it/jenf8q | 14:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Dr. Scott Gottlieb: U.S. about 'a week away from a rapid acceleration' of coronavirus cases → https://is.gd/AHVSi1 | 14:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Frailty, old age and comorbidity main predictors of death from COVID-19: The study of an acute hospital ward at Fairfield General Hospital in Greater Manchester has shown how risk of death from COVID-19 increases with age, frailty and comorbidity. → https://is.gd/RCFnrq | 15:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 could threaten patients' hearts: It has been months since the coronavirus pandemic gripped the nation, leaving more than 200,000 people dead—a number that continues to climb. Meanwhile, we are learning more about the virus and its unusual presentation, as well as the toll it takes on the human body. → https://is.gd/gLmkM8 | 15:17 |
| metreo | https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alaska-earthquake-7-5-magnitude-tsunami-warning/ | 15:18 |
| metreo | no good video of the event yet | 15:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Sleepio might be just what the professor ordered: Did you know that man is the only animal that purposely delays sleep? Or that sleep disturbance increases at higher altitudes, as well as in times of increased stress? Due to the coronavirus pandemic, everyone seems to be experiencing higher stress—which means that right now [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/vU7jEE | 15:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT Plus: Pharmalittle: Why the FDA Covid-19 vaccine meeting matters; GAO to probe whether Trump aides meddled with FDA, CDC → https://is.gd/N141ct | 15:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19: Distancing and masks are not enough: Wear a mask, keep your distance, avoid crowds—these are the common recommendations to contain the COVID-19 epidemic. However, the scientific foundations on which these recommendations are based are decades old and no longer reflect the current state of knowledge. To change this, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/I89YPG | 15:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Scientists raise alarm over signs of vaccine 'hesitancy': Scientists called for urgent action to improve public trust in immunisation as research suggested sizeable minorities in some nations may be reluctant to be vaccinated against COVID-19. → https://is.gd/r2EBsG | 16:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Chinese drugmaker setting up vaccine production lines: A state-owned Chinese drugmaker is setting up production lines to supply 1 billion doses of two possible coronavirus vaccines that are being tested on 50,000 people in 10 countries, the company chairman said Tuesday. → https://is.gd/mkmiPZ | 16:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: You're not done with banana bread—a psychologist reveals all: During the first pandemic lockdowns at the start of 2020, social media was flooded with pictures of homemade banana bread as people turned to baking in lieu of socialising. Now with many places reintroducing or anticipating further restrictions as COVID-19 case [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/AaPUWu | 16:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Researchers test a comprehensive model intervention to reduce opioid overdose deaths in hard-hit communities: National Institutes of Health and other federal leaders outlined their vision for a groundbreaking study that will aim to address gaps in reaching communities most heavily affected by the opioid epidemic with proven, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/bz5VbI | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +5170 cases (now 244391), +24 deaths (now 6814) since 9 hours ago — US: +3316 cases (now 8.5 million), +84 deaths (now 225325) since 4 hours ago — Switzerland: +1 deaths (now 2145) since 4 hours ago | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Improving incentives for people to use COVID apps is key to widespread usage: People need greater personal incentives to convince them to use COVID-19 apps, according to a new report from Imperial College Business School. → https://is.gd/KjnA9S | 16:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: European nations mixed in their response to virus spikes: Countries across Europe are battling coronavirus infection spikes with new lockdowns, curfews, face mask orders and virus tracking smart phone apps. → https://is.gd/EwyyAj | 16:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Coronavirus: Study finds further door opener into the cell: The coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 is known to infect cells via the receptor ACE2. An international research team under German-Finnish coordination has now identified neuropilin-1 as a factor that can facilitate SARS-CoV-2 entry into the cells' interior. Neuropilin-1 is [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/zStte5 | 17:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +10871 cases (now 434449), +89 deaths (now 36705) since a day ago — US: +4944 cases (now 8.5 million), +114 deaths (now 225439) since 50 minutes ago — Canada: +194 cases (now 202602) since 10 hours ago | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: UK to impose local virus rules after tussle with mayor: The British government was set to impose tougher coronavirus restrictions on Tuesday on the English city of Manchester, defying the wishes of local leaders for the first time under a new system of localised curbs. → https://is.gd/SETZrA | 17:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +19875 cases (now 762542) since 10 hours ago | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: U.K. to infect healthy volunteers in Covid-19 vaccine research trial: U.K. researchers are preparing to infect healthy young volunteers with the virus that causes Covid-19, becoming the first to announce plans to use the controversial technique to study the disease. → https://is.gd/peG5qp | 17:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +444 cases (now 203046) since 34 minutes ago — US: +219 cases (now 8.5 million), +1 deaths (now 225440) since 35 minutes ago | 17:54 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +703 cases (now 8.5 million), +11 deaths (now 225451) since 20 minutes ago | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Covid is accelerating across the globe as U.S. and Europe head into flu season: The pandemic is accelerating with U.S. cases climbing and at least 10 other countries and now reporting record highs in average daily new cases. → https://is.gd/57smL5 | 18:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: A majority of U.S. states are now on New York's Covid travel restriction list, Cuomo says: People traveling to New York from 43 states and territories are now required to quarantine for two weeks upon arrival, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said on Tuesday. → https://is.gd/c2dsnb | 18:25 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: 'People are dying every night': Staff at overwhelmed Wisconsin hospital urge people to take coronavirus seriously (10092 votes) | https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/10/19/aspirus-wausau-hospital-staff-urge-wisconsin-take-covid-seriously/3669849001/ | https://redd.it/jeohzf | 18:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Virologists: What Do They Do?: Virologists are highly skilled medical experts who manage the diagnosis, treatment, and prevention of infectious diseases such as hepatitis C, Ebola, and now COVID-19. Learn more about them. → https://is.gd/SwjfLL | 19:09 |
| metreo | https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/nigeria-protests-lead-to-24-hour-lagos-curfew/ar-BB1adtAk | 19:44 |
| LjL | i am told by hospital source that ICUs in Milan are already pretty full | 19:47 |
| kevin-oculus | full with covid19 patients | 19:49 |
| kevin-oculus | ages 70-80 | 19:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +13873 cases (now 1.0 million), +218 deaths (now 34210) since 23 hours ago — US: +8238 cases (now 8.5 million), +175 deaths (now 225626) since an hour ago — Arizona, US: +1040 cases (now 232937), +7 deaths (now 5837) since 21 hours ago | 19:50 |
| LjL | ugh i thought Spain was going down | 19:50 |
| LjL | that doesn't look like going down | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: What will convince Americans to get a COVID-19 vaccine?: (HealthDay)—Promoting any emerging COVID-19 vaccine to a skeptical public could be tough. → https://is.gd/wYTkAo | 19:53 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 762542 confirmed cases (1.1% of the population) and 45712 deaths (6.0% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 30.2 million tests were performed (2.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 20:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science Daily: New anti-AB vaccine could help halt Alzheimer's progression, preclinical study finds: A preclinical study by neuroscientists indicates that an antigen-presenting dendritic vaccine with a specific antibody response to oligomeric A-beta may be safer and offer clinical benefit in treating Alzheimer's disease. The vaccine uses [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/P1Robm | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: A majority of U.S. states are now on New York's Covid travel restriction list, Cuomo says: People traveling to New York from 43 states and territories now meet the criteria to quarantine for two weeks upon arrival, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Tuesday. → https://is.gd/c2dsnb | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from In The Pipeline: The Machines Rise a Bit More: Here’s a new paper in Nature on computer-generated synthesis of natural products. More formally, you’d call it retrosynthesis, since the htought process in organic chemistry tends to work backwards when you have a particular target that you’re trying to make: “OK, this part could could be [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/RJP1yM | 20:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Astrazeneca Covid-19 vaccine trial in US expected to resume as early as this week → https://is.gd/yMx2gT | 20:48 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, annoying, but at least the news (for once in CNBC's life) is important, and IMO rather troubling: challenge study where healthy people get infected on purpose. i'm not much on board with that | 20:55 |
| LjL | "But the risks can be minimized as much as possible by starting with the youngest, healthiest people who are far less likely to get seriously ill. Participants are typically given antiviral therapies, such as Gilead Sciences’ remdesivir, following exposure. It’s worth noting, though, that recent studies have questioned the efficacy of these drugs." | 20:55 |
| LjL | no, they haven't questioned the efficacy. they have flat out established they don't work | 20:55 |
| LjL | and young, healthy people are the kind that "long COVID" would do the most harm to, even if you give them a low dose of the virus causing mild disease (ping ryouma) | 20:56 |
| LjL | sigh. it took me like 5 tries to realize that i'm looking at the wrong bot's logs | 21:00 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i really don't know why it's doing that. CNBC cheats by always giving their articles a "current" time instead of the time they were actually published, but they also use IDs, which should make the former issue irrelevant. my current guess is that since i arbitrarily made my ID cache 1024 entries long, it's exceeding that amount. it's a bit of a weak guess, but logs will tell. | 21:34 |
| tinwhiskers | ahhh | 21:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Should kids go trick-or-treating? Here's how to make Halloween less scary: Halloween isn't really supposed to be scary, but COVID-19 has made trick-or-treating frightening for many parents. → https://is.gd/lZLMq7 | 21:50 |
| stick | jess is hot | 22:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: UK Begins Controversial Coronavirus Challenge Trial: The United States says human challenge trials might be too risky or unnecessary. But for the British, the payoff could push vaccine development ahead by three months, which could save hundreds of thousands of lives, the Post reported. → https://is.gd/yYbWO6 | 22:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from PLOS ONE: Evaluating the prevalence and risk factors for macrolide resistance in Mycoplasma genitalium using a newly developed qPCR assay: by Joyce F. Braam, David J. Hetem, Clarissa E. Vergunst, Sophie Kuizenga Wessel, Martijn S. van Rooijen, Roel H. T. Nijhuis, Maarten F. Schim van der Loeff, Alje P. van Dam, Sylvia M. Bruisten Mycoplasma [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ukVwDG | 22:12 |
| genera | thats .. not covid related or is it? | 22:17 |
| LjL | genera, no, but it contains "qPCR" which is a trigger keyword for the bot | 22:22 |
| LjL | nothing is perfect, and certainly not my bot | 22:22 |
| genera | aj okok | 22:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +27879 cases (now 8.5 million), +300 deaths (now 225926) since 2 hours ago — Canada: +152 cases (now 203198) since 4 hours ago | 22:35 |
| ryouma | remdesivir. lots of stuff out there current stuff that suggest it does work in specified cases. all that wrong? (if you say yes i will believe you and assume bad info gradient.) --- 11:55 <LjL> no, they haven't questioned the efficacy. they have flat out established they don't work | 23:02 |
| LjL | ryouma, well the WHO is involved so maybe *they* are wrong lol | 23:03 |
| LjL | but it's a review on very many patients | 23:03 |
| LjL | if it did something important i think it should show | 23:03 |
| ryouma | ok | 23:03 |
| ryouma | can you elaborate? --- 11:56 <LjL> and young, healthy people are the kind that "long COVID" would do the most harm to, even if you give them a low dose of the virus causing mild disease (ping ryouma) | 23:05 |
| LjL | ryouma, i just mean that for older people, the major risk is dying. for younger people, that's not a *huge* risk, especially with a low dose maybe, but the risk of painfully long sequelae isn't low at all. so i don't think it's very ethical to inoculate them on purpose | 23:07 |
| Arsanerit | Is the magnitude risk of painfully long soquelae known? (not that I am eager to take the chance) | 23:13 |
| ryouma | re remdesivir there is this weirdly specific (merely non-paper) from scrollback: https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-treatment-options-covid-.html which is what i meant by is that all wrong | 23:17 |
| ryouma | re long covid yes i think the ethical question even for volunteers is going to need to take long covid into account very much and that does not get mentioned in major media. are they even thinking of it? i don't think we have good numbers on it. | 23:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Pandemic putting Americans under great mental strain, poll finds: (HealthDay)—COVID-19, health care, the economy, systemic racism and the presidential election are a threat to the nation's mental health, according to an American Psychological Association (APA) poll. → https://is.gd/AFSdhn | 23:18 |
| ryouma | (tangentially and not really apropos i just looked up nuns and hiv vaccine due to a dim recollection of what i thought had been a whole convent or something volunteering de novo, to see if it was also a challenge test (no indication of that) and found this https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1990/03/12/aids-researchers-ask-nuns-priests-to-help-test-vaccine/ which says "You can presume there's a pretty clean sexual hist | 23:23 |
| ryouma | ory there (among priests and nuns)," said the Rev. Frank Desiderio of Los Angeles, one of the priests who received the request notice." that was before the scandals or at least before they got big.) | 23:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Covid is accelerating across the globe as U.S. and Europe head into flu season: The pandemic is accelerating with U.S. cases climbing and at least 10 other countries now reporting record highs in average daily new cases. → https://is.gd/57smL5 | 23:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +6328 cases (now 8.5 million), +92 deaths (now 226018) since an hour ago — Canada: +713 cases (now 203911) since an hour ago | 23:51 |
| ryouma | LjL: so you didn't mean that young and healthy population would be harmed by long covid more than other populations? | 23:53 |
| ryouma | does "post-whatever" mean "in the age of whatever" or "after whatever is gone"? | 23:55 |
| ryouma | (apropos of nothing) | 23:55 |
| ryouma | seems to be ambiguous | 23:57 |
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