| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +6438 cases (now 8.6 million), +183 deaths (now 227129) since an hour ago — Canada: +101 cases (now 206479) since an hour ago | 00:08 |
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| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): AstraZeneca shares turn negative after Brazilian health authority says volunteer in Covid vaccine study dies → https://is.gd/CQE643 | 00:15 |
| LjL | deja vu | 00:15 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, exactly four times this time as well! | 00:16 |
| LjL | and nope the problem is not that i'm storing too many IDs :\ | 00:16 |
| LjL | this is a bit confusing, it hasn't even downloaded the CNBC feed at that particular time | 00:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +3346 cases (now 8.6 million), +34 deaths (now 227163) since 18 minutes ago | 00:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 vaccine trials cannot tell us if they will save lives: Vaccines are being hailed as the solution to the COVID-19 pandemic, but the vaccine trials currently underway are not designed to tell us if they will save lives, reports Peter Doshi, Associate Editor at The BMJ today. → https://is.gd/LsjjuK | 00:33 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: The Vaccine Tightrope (80 votes) | https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/10/21/the-vaccine-tightrope | https://redd.it/jffxgh | 00:40 |
| ryouma | should be obvious and did not read scrollback but just a few comments on placebo research. first, the term is used variantly. this invites equivocation fallacies (which are really really really common). it can mean merely giving saline to a mouse so that you are sure you are replicating everything you can think of except the active substance you are testing. it can mean that you get response biases in non-object | 00:54 |
| ryouma | ive measures that need to be subtracted out. such as wanting to please the experimenter. and it can mean discredited notions of pathways that allow you to magically change any aspect of your body. it is in the interest of some entities to increase beliefs in mind over matter that are popular among the public and in certain fields. for example, newspaper reports on bangladeshi garment workers getting sick will fe | 00:54 |
| ryouma | ature references to placebo effect, as opposed to any of hte 100+ substances used in garment manufacture, poor ventilation, etc. finally, placebo research itself can use extremely poor methodology. for example, early research told participants they drank lsd, and questionnaires suggested they got lsd-like effects. but hte questions were binary. if you were asked, "do you feel a little dizzy?" you might tkae the | 00:54 |
| ryouma | question and think abou tit and try to introspect and say "well i SUPPOSE i coud be described as feeling a little dizzy, sure" -- but the effect size is negligible compared to the actual substance in the other group and probably caused by various biases. yet the answer was the same for both groups. tldr: placebos are used for good reason in many studies, but that does not mean that magical effects exist or that th | 00:54 |
| ryouma | ere are biomedical pathways that have ever been discovered sinc ehte 1800s to support the many claims. end of kinda obvious and probably | 00:54 |
| ryouma | pointless comment. | 00:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: CDC says the U.S. is now seeing a 'distressing trend' in coronavirus outbreak: Jay Butler, the CDC's deputy director for infectious diseases, said Covid-19 cases are now growing "really in all parts of the country," with particularly high transmission in the Midwest. → https://is.gd/XT2z3L | 00:55 |
| LjL | ryouma, and also longest i've seen in a while o.o | 01:01 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Brazil says a 28-year-old volunteer in AstraZeneca's COVID-19 vaccine trial has died of coronavirus complications. It's unknown if he received the vaccine or a placebo - G1 (10158 votes) | https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1318962795363373058?s=09 | https://redd.it/jfh1e6 | 01:03 |
| ryouma | LjL: executive dysfunction. but also i find that topics where everybody is confused and some have it in their interest to make everybody confused require too !~$ much text to detangle. | 01:04 |
| ryouma | ~!#$!@#* | 01:04 |
| LjL | ryouma, you can say fucking as long as it's not all you're saying, it's not that kind of babysitting channel :P | 01:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +4228 cases (now 8.6 million), +138 deaths (now 227301) since an hour ago | 01:38 |
| ryouma | 12:22 <LjL> I am walking and I risk hitting a pole but I can still see your goalposts shifting | 01:46 |
| ryouma | lol | 01:46 |
| LjL | :P | 01:46 |
| ryouma | normally i do not swear at all | 01:46 |
| ryouma | if i feel like saying ~!#$!@# that is what i will say. interestingly, this is one word whose spelling need not be standard. | 01:49 |
| LjL | hehe, fair enough | 01:52 |
| LjL | i won't *force* you to swear, i was just pointing out self-censoring wasn't a requirement | 01:53 |
| tinwhiskers | I think there's a lot of people who risk hitting others when they are out walking - mostly those who aren't wearing masks are likely to get hit. | 01:58 |
| LjL | i would ask you not to get proactively physically aggressive against mask non-wearers, but i don't need to at least while you are still there :P | 02:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): AstraZeneca shares turn negative after Brazilian health authority says volunteer in Covid vaccine study dies → https://is.gd/CQE643 | 02:02 |
| LjL | oh good grief | 02:03 |
| LjL | Brainstorm, you're trolling me | 02:03 |
| Brainstorm | New preprint: Virtual Screening of Plant-Derived Compounds Against SARS-CoV-2 Viral Proteins Using Computational Tools by Maria Antonela Zigolo et al, published on 2020-10-21 at [u'https://api.figshare.com/v2/articles/13118117', u'https://ndownloader.figshare.com/files/25165229'] | 02:03 |
| LjL | first time it actually posts one? | 02:05 |
| LjL | and it's slightly annoying the API can return *either* an individual link *or* a list of links under "link" -.- | 02:05 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 02:06 |
| LjL | oh, it's not the very first time it posts one, it just posted them at times when i was soundly asleep | 02:10 |
| ryouma | there are those who are sheltering or working together (say, in a lab). you could in principle take fewer precautions if you know everybody else can be trusted to be taking precautions in general. so i wonder if there a list that all of you can fill out to make sure you are all doing the same precautions and agree on details. | 02:10 |
| ryouma | like this is what i do when i wash hands. this is what i do when i put on a mask. | 02:11 |
| ryouma | this would also have the effect of teaching | 02:12 |
| ryouma | it would be really detailed and (and then a miracle occurs) popular and viral on social media and everybody would fill it out with those they are sheltering with. | 02:13 |
| LjL | the miracle would be suddenly not needing any of it | 02:26 |
| LjL | counterintuitiveness: | 02:35 |
| LjL | <24CarlSagan18> [7BBC - Science & Environmen] More pollution expected from stay-home workers https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54634166 2020-10-21T23:56:05 | 02:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +7875 cases (now 965296) since 6 hours ago — US: +3839 cases (now 8.6 million), +57 deaths (now 227358) since an hour ago — Canada: +212 cases (now 206691), +19 deaths (now 9843) since 2 hours ago — Netherlands: +1 deaths (now 6874) since 12 hours ago | 02:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Coronavirus likely to become as 'endemic' as the flu and a vaccine might not be able to stop it, top UK scientist says → https://is.gd/jn1Gab | 02:57 |
| LjL | ah, the usual encouraging bit of news before sleep | 02:58 |
| ryouma | well you can be encouraged that billionaires are thriving or so i hear | 03:08 |
| ryouma | there are many medical necessities not being done because of the pandemic. we need vaccines so that they can be done. | 03:10 |
| LjL | ryouma, i've been a rather big hypochondriac for some years. i can't really fathom COVID not being "over" at some point. i think i'm only not going crazy because i expect it will be "over" at some point | 03:27 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Not in my backyard? COVID-19 vaccine development requires someone to be infected somewhere (83 votes) | https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/not-my-backyard-covid-19-vaccine-development-requires-someone-be-infected-somewhere | https://redd.it/jfkfd0 | 03:28 |
| LjL | yes well people get infected all over the place, if this is arguing for the "UK approach", i don't think it's necessary | 03:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: UK sees over 26,000 new Covid-19 cases, a new daily record → https://is.gd/XXmF8k | 03:41 |
| Jigsy | The UK approach is to... | 04:07 |
| Jigsy | 1. Let everyone get infected | 04:07 |
| Jigsy | 2. Then blame the EU in some way. | 04:07 |
| Jigsy | :P | 04:07 |
| LjL | lol | 04:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +13227 cases (now 253386), +50 deaths (now 10539) since 21 hours ago — France: +6669 cases (now 971965) since an hour ago — US: +2779 cases (now 8.6 million), +51 deaths (now 227409) since an hour ago — Netherlands: +836 cases (now 253970), +15 deaths (now 6889) since an hour ago | 04:39 |
| LjL | holy shit. | 04:39 |
| LjL | %cases belgium | 04:40 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Belgium, there have been 253386 confirmed cases (2.2% of the population) and 10539 deaths (4.2% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 4.2 million tests were performed (6.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Belgium for time series data. | 04:40 |
| LjL | that's almost three times italy's prevalence | 04:40 |
| ryouma | LjL: i agree but iseemedtm that that article was probably an opinion piece on something we have heard before by brainstorm titles. thus it wasn't increasing the probability of the pandemic not being over by much. there are, fortunately, many who are trying to stop the pandemic. (among those effectively doing the opposite.) | 04:51 |
| heather | you dont trust trump lol | 04:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 674: In the company of coronaviruses with Lisa Gralinski: Lisa joins TWiV to discuss her research on the pathogenesis of SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV, and SARS-CoV-2, including work on vaccines and an antiviral, then we review the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein as a potential analgesic, and listener questions. → https://is.gd/hoqtS4 | 06:17 |
| bigfluff | %cases 97470 | 06:38 |
| Brainstorm | bigfluff: Sorry, 97470 not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 06:38 |
| bigfluff | %cases oregon | 06:38 |
| Brainstorm | bigfluff: In Oregon, US, there have been 40443 confirmed cases (1.0% of the population) and 635 deaths (1.6% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. 471935 tests were performed (8.6% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 06:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: South Korean deaths spark flu vaccine safety fears → https://is.gd/PUpUjd | 06:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +203 cases (now 206894) since 2 hours ago | 07:09 |
| Brainstorm | New preprint: Deep learning segmentation model for automated detection of the opacity regions in the chest X-rays of the Covid-19 positive patients and the application for disease severity by Haiming Tang et al, published on 2020-10-21 at https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.10.19.20215483 [... want %more?] | 07:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Japan researchers show masks do block coronavirus, but not perfectly → https://is.gd/2df88V | 07:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: MPs call for {pound}7bn social care funding increase as “starting point” for reform: MPs have urged the UK government to make an urgent and sustained investment in social care to resolve a funding crisis that has been exacerbated by the covid-19 pandemic.In a report published on 22... → https://is.gd/UrVW6O | 07:56 |
| heather | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=spanish+flu+viseo&t=opera&iax=videos&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DcaJPEa0ZUi8&ia=videos | 07:59 |
| darsie | What are MPs? | 08:06 |
| darsie | members of parliament | 08:07 |
| darsie | I thought minister president | 08:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Why Germany's coronavirus strategy might come back to haunt it → https://is.gd/jmVVcO | 08:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lombardy, Italy: +4125 cases (now 134604), +20 deaths (now 17123) since a day ago — France: +6774 cases (now 978739), +13 deaths (now 34061) since 4 hours ago — Netherlands: +2199 cases (now 256169), +15 deaths (now 6904) since 4 hours ago — United Kingdom: +1483 cases (now 790712) since 15 hours ago | 09:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Trial shows hydroxychloroquine does not prevent COVID-19 in health care workers: University of Minnesota Medical School physician researchers studied hydroxychloroquine as a treatment to prevent COVID-19 for those with high-risk for exposure to the virus—health care workers. → https://is.gd/I2Yvx2 | 09:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Germany reports record new virus cases in 24 hours: Germany recorded 11,287 new COVID-19 infections in 24 hours, a sharp jump from the previous day and a record for the country since the outbreak of the pandemic, according to official data Thursday. → https://is.gd/9WJiYC | 09:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Ireland locks down for second wave, Germany smashes record daily high: Ireland became the first European country to enter a second national lockdown and Germany's daily cases leapt to a record high as the second wave of coronavirus spread gloom across the continent on Thursday. → https://is.gd/P9ad61 | 10:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Stressing freedom, vaccine opponents rebranding in virus era: Years before this year's anti-mask and reopening demonstrations, vaccine opponents were working on reinventing their image around a rallying cry of civil liberties and medical freedom. → https://is.gd/Pdd5Hf | 10:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Health Tech: STAT Plus: Covid-19 is pushing pharma to the cloud — and convincing the industry of its value → https://is.gd/ghdqfA | 10:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +24 deaths (now 9853) since an hour ago | 10:50 |
| de-facto | Germany +11287 daily detected new infections :( | 11:21 |
| de-facto | that is not good at all :(( | 11:22 |
| de-facto | hopefully the raising numbers will urge them to implement more containment. | 11:22 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Use of adenovirus type-5 vectored vaccines: a cautionary tale (80 votes) | https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32156-5/fulltext | https://redd.it/jfcbco | 11:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +898 cases (now 8.6 million), +10 deaths (now 227419) since 2 hours ago | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Air pollution and COVID-19: Risk of infection, precautions to take → https://is.gd/ozFo2Q | 11:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Germany's virus situation 'very serious': health body: Germany is facing a "very serious" rise in coronavirus cases, the head of the Robert Koch Institute disease control centre said Thursday, as the country reported a record 11,287 new infections. → https://is.gd/LJBCyQ | 11:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Increased risk among ethnic minorities is largely due to poverty and social disparities, review finds: Most of the increased risk of infection and death from covid-19 among people from ethnic minorities is explained by factors such as occupation, where people live, their household composition, and... → https://is.gd/6sGJ6q | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Deceased AstraZeneca trial volunteer didn’t receive vaccine → https://is.gd/r5UlLE | 13:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +5256 cases (now 97019) since a day ago | 13:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Human challenge studies will see people purposefully infected with virus: Human challenge studies of covid-19, which involve volunteers being deliberately infected with the virus under controlled conditions, could start in January, UK researchers have said.The project,... → https://is.gd/z0zaTr | 13:32 |
| MeNeFrego[m] | wp | 13:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Coronavirus second wave is hitting Europe in very different ways. JPMorgan has a theory behind it: There's no doubt that Europe is seeing a second wave of coronavirus infections, but the surge is not affecting its major economies in the same way, and JP Morgan has a theory why that may be. → https://is.gd/syj9Hv | 13:54 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcJZ2gqbgks "RKI-Briefing zur aktuellen Corona-Lage" in German on 22.10.2020 10:00 | 13:58 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: RKI-Briefing zur aktuellen Corona-Lage - YouTube | 13:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Study helps explain declines in death rates from COVID-19: Fewer New Yorkers are dying from the coronavirus than health experts had anticipated, a new study shows. Regional death rates have dropped from the highs seen at the start of the outbreak, partially due to a shift in the population contracting the disease toward those [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/sdxpB6 | 14:05 |
| de-facto | Seems they suspect a lot of incidence emerging from private gatherings of people "having fun spending a good time together" because then contagion is promoted by increased production of aerosol indoors (e.g. loud talking, laughing, less distancing and air exchange etc) | 14:12 |
| de-facto | makes sense that they suggest increased infection risk on gatherings of people with intense interactions between each others | 14:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: A post-pandemic path to solving the nursing home crisis: In "Long-Term Care Policy after COVID-19—Solving the Nursing Home Crisis," published in the New England Journal of Medicine, a collaboration of experts across several Penn schools advocates for "a combination of funding, regulation, and a new strategy that fully [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/jtmkYk | 14:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +6236 cases (now 262405), +24 deaths (now 6919) since 5 hours ago | 14:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: China defends its COVID-19 vaccine after Bolsonaro’s guinea pig jibe → https://is.gd/VGaI8r | 14:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: COVID-19 deaths: UK to record ethnicity to assess impact on Indians, minorities → https://is.gd/cFHjXh | 14:49 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 infections and COVID-19 mortalities strongly correlate with ACE1 I/D genotype (80 votes) | https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378111920306132?via%3Dihub | https://redd.it/jfsozs | 14:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 model inspired by gas-phase chemistry predicts disease spread: A COVID-19 transmission model inspired by gas-phase chemistry is helping the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) forecast COVID-19 deaths across the country. → https://is.gd/NAERHG | 15:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: E-prescriptions are coming. But what are they? And is this the end of paper ones?: Electronic prescriptions (or e-prescriptions) are being rolled out in stages across Australia after being used in Victoria during the pandemic. → https://is.gd/hcRjoC | 15:11 |
| de-facto | hmm interesting paper about ACE1 genotype, i wish they would have done the correlation about IFR instead of prevalence to make it more causative | 15:13 |
| de-facto | ok they focus on SARS-CoV-2 infectivity | 15:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: African Americans, those with type 2 diabetes, kidney disease at higher risk of COVID-19 hospitalization: Black patients are more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19 than white patients with similar underlying health and socioeconomic conditions, according to a new University of Michigan study. → https://is.gd/VN6WnE | 15:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Who does (or doesn't) wear a mask? Partisanship explains response to COVID-19: Even as the COVID-19 pandemic continues to grip the United States, face masks remain far from universal. The biggest explanation? Political partisanship. → https://is.gd/B5VBjF | 15:33 |
| everything_at_on | %cases Russia | 15:34 |
| Brainstorm | everything_at_on: In Russia, there have been 1.5 million confirmed cases (1.0% of the population) and 25242 deaths (1.7% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 55.7 million tests were performed (2.6% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.7% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Russia for time series data. | 15:34 |
| Arsanerit | %cases netherlands | 15:40 |
| Brainstorm | Arsanerit: In Netherlands, there have been 262405 confirmed cases (1.5% of the population) and 6919 deaths (2.6% of cases) as of an hour ago. 2.9 million tests were performed (9.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Netherlands for time series data. | 15:40 |
| Arsanerit | @cases germany | 15:40 |
| Arsanerit | %cases germany | 15:40 |
| Brainstorm | Arsanerit: In Germany, there have been 397922 confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 10014 deaths (2.5% of cases) as of an hour ago. 20.4 million tests were performed (2.0% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.6% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data. | 15:40 |
| Arsanerit | that fatality rate does not take into account untested cases? | 15:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Pandemic further isolating older adults, as senior services struggle to adapt: Older adults throughout Washington are increasingly isolated during the COVID-19 pandemic, challenged by the even greater reliance on technology and often neglecting chronic health conditions, according to new research from the University of Washington. → https://is.gd/pdmPln | 15:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Q&A: How to make and distribute a vaccine: A number of vaccines to combat the SARS-CoV-2 virus and the disease it causes, COVID-19, are currently undergoing various testing regimens. NC State's Biomanufacturing Training and Education Center (BTEC) helps train the next generation of pharmaceutical workers. The Abstract spoke [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/IfqKQq | 15:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): 'Learn to live with the pandemic': Physicians warn that a vaccine may not prevent Covid from becoming endemic → https://is.gd/75nQRz | 16:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: You might be trying to get the wrong people to vote your way – or wear masks: When it comes to persuading others—whether about voting, pandemic-related safety measures, or other significant behaviors—we frequently focus on the wrong folks. → https://is.gd/K0Fw9U | 16:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2151 cases (now 8.6 million), +21 deaths (now 227440) since 4 hours ago | 16:22 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 candidate vaccine ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 infection of human cell lines reveals a normal low range of viral backbone gene expression alongside very high levels of SARS-CoV-2 S glycoprotein expression. (81 votes) | https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-94837/v1 | https://redd.it/jfylg1 | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 study: Meaning in life and self-control protect against stress: Numerous studies over the last few weeks have pointed out that the effects of the Corona pandemic on people's mental health can be enormous and affect large parts of the population. In spring, Prof. Tatjana Schnell from the Existential Psychology Lab at [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QMaonq | 16:29 |
| de-facto | Arsanerit, correct | 16:31 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 16:48 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 789229 confirmed cases (1.2% of the population) and 45712 deaths (5.8% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. 30.5 million tests were performed (2.6% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 16:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: La nueva ley de votación por correo de Pennsylvania amplía el acceso para todos...menos para los pobres: por Jonathan Lai , Samantha Melamed y Michaelle Bond , The Philadelphia Inquirer Read in English . ProPublica es un medio independiente y sin ánimo de lucro que produce periodismo de investigación en pro del interés [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/JikL2T | 16:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +270 cases (now 8.6 million) since 48 minutes ago | 17:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: 3 ways to counter Covid-19’s threat to community-based cancer care: Covid-19 is accelerating the closure of community-based cancer care practices. That's bad for patients. Three steps can help slow this trend. → https://is.gd/y7wC5b | 17:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +16078 cases (now 465726), +136 deaths (now 36968) since a day ago — US: +5896 cases (now 8.6 million), +68 deaths (now 227508) since 18 minutes ago | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Coronavirus: Which treatments work and which don't?: Donald Trump's brief stay in hospital in early October raised awareness—once again—of the variety of treatments being investigated for COVID-19. → https://is.gd/H07591 | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Why optimism can be dangerous during a pandemic: For those of us who insist on seeing the glass half full, even when the miserable brigade point out that it's also half empty, COVID-19 poses particular challenges. → https://is.gd/XhVXAg | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did the measures taken against 2nd wave take any effekt yet in any of the european countries? | 17:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Airlines experiment with new routes in 'game of musical chairs' to stem billions in pandemic losses → https://is.gd/lN7vKP | 17:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +957 cases (now 208234), +20 deaths (now 9858) since 7 hours ago — US: +958 cases (now 8.6 million), +8 deaths (now 227516) since 34 minutes ago | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trying to zoom with mouse in https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain;France;Italy;Germany;Netherlands;Czechia;Poland;Sweden;Switzerland;Austria&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes&miscType=Reff&miscSource=Deaths drives me nuts | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i.e. I don't understand what is the supposed way to zoom in to a date range | 18:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or to change Y axis scale | 18:03 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, it confuses me completely, but you can use the textbox at the top to change the date range | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: thanks! isn't it quite concerning that obviously not a single country in Europe (except sweden) managed to stop and invert the incidences/day curve rise yet? | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems like no matter what you do or stop to do, the incidences/day are rising everywhere | 18:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw italy seems among the group of countries at the "better" and of range | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/and/end/ | 18:12 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, i think we're "better" in that we have fewer cases than france or spain, but they're growing very scaringly | 18:16 |
| LjL | and Lombardy is critical, and Milan is even more critical | 18:17 |
| LjL | which happens to be where i am so selfishly speaking it's not great | 18:17 |
| LjL | yesterday we had 4000 in lombardy, about half of which in milan | 18:17 |
| LjL | i haven't checked today yet, i'm already feeling bleh enough | 18:17 |
| de-facto | At some point i thought maybe Spain was able to bring their Reproduction Number down again, yet latest numbers may indicate it may raise soon again? http://metrics.covid19-analysis.org/ | 18:19 |
| de-facto | Interestingly it seems reproduction is on the raise in Sweden too | 18:23 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +19755 cases (now 810467) since 9 hours ago | 18:23 |
| de-facto | I think if Spain somehow manages to bring their incidence down it may demonstrate that other high prevalence EU countries can achieve the same | 18:26 |
| de-facto | so hopefully their latest increase is only a temporary fluctuation and does not manifest into a new trend | 18:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ Open: Impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions for reducing transmission of COVID-19: a systematic review and meta-analysis protocol: Introduction Implementing non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) protect the public from COVID-19. However, the impact of NPIs has been inconsistent and remains unclear. This study, therefore, aims to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Rb5ZS1 | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +6795 cases (now 8.6 million), +82 deaths (now 227598) since 49 minutes ago — Arizona, US: +994 cases (now 234906), +5 deaths (now 5859) since a day ago | 18:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Germans are panic buying toilet paper and disinfectant as covid-19 surges again → https://is.gd/WMId17 | 18:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +5195 cases (now 8.6 million), +89 deaths (now 227687) since 19 minutes ago | 18:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: South Sudan confirms outbreak of vaccine-derived polio: Health officials in South Sudan on Thursday confirmed a new outbreak of polio, just months after declaring the wild version of the deadly virus eradicated in Africa's youngest country. → https://is.gd/7L5TbZ | 19:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: WHO Africa: New rapid tests a 'game changer' against COVID: Health officials in Africa say the rollout of rapid diagnostic tests for COVID-19 could be a "game changer" for their fight against the coronavirus but also warned Thursday that increased testing could drive up confirmed cases on a continent that has seen them decline [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Dzk2Fi | 19:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Fauci: Masks, Social Distancing Likely Until 2022: Coronavirus vaccines -- once approved and distributed widely to the public -- won’t be a “knockout punch” that eradicates the virus, he said → https://is.gd/C0gVgA | 19:37 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Report: Estimated 3 Million US Children Have Had No Formal Education Since Pandemic Began (10013 votes) | https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/10/21/million-us-children-formal-education-coronavirus-pandemic/ | https://redd.it/jfr2zk | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +43880 cases (now 1.1 million), +155 deaths (now 34521) since a day ago — France: +20304 cases (now 999043), +162 deaths (now 34210) since 11 hours ago — US: +7902 cases (now 8.6 million), +75 deaths (now 227762) since an hour ago | 20:08 |
| LjL | 43... what | 20:08 |
| LjL | i hope they had not updated them in the weekend AND on monday | 20:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 21 ottobre 2020: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19. (20A05833) → https://is.gd/LPw9g6 | 20:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2399 cases (now 8.6 million), +11 deaths (now 227773) since 22 minutes ago | 20:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: More than half of Americans know someone infected or ill with COVID: Poll: (HealthDay)—More than half of all Americans have been personally affected by COVID-19 at this point in the pandemic, according to a new HealthDay-Harris Poll survey. → https://is.gd/JeWav4 | 20:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Mask use by Americans now tops 90%, poll finds: (HealthDay)—Here's good news for public health officials who've been hammering home the need to wear face masks: Your messages have been getting through. → https://is.gd/C6xFQv | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: there are often weird artifact spikes for last 2 or 3 days, no idea where from the originate | 20:44 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, well they really do skip counting on weekends in spain | 20:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +10660 cases (now 8.6 million), +131 deaths (now 227904) since 50 minutes ago | 21:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: France extends overnight curfew as cases surge → https://is.gd/E3j0G7 | 21:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +6959 cases (now 8.6 million), +109 deaths (now 228013) since 50 minutes ago | 21:54 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Fines tripled, trains canceled in Salem ahead of Halloween to discourage crowds during COVID pandemic (10002 votes) | https://www.masslive.com/coronavirus/2020/10/fines-tripled-trains-canceled-in-salem-ahead-of-halloween-to-discourage-crowds-during-covid-pandemic.html | https://redd.it/jfy38p | 22:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from PLOS ONE: Behavioral practices of patients with multiple sclerosis during Covid-19 pandemic: by Hind Alnajashi, Razan Jabbad Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) emerged in Wuhan, China, in late 2019 and Covid-19, a disease caused by SARS-CoV-2 became a pandemic in March 2020. As the pandemic still unfolds, uncertainty [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/fNgdqE | 22:13 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +3118 cases (now 8.6 million), +53 deaths (now 228066) since 35 minutes ago | 22:24 |
| de-facto | what? Spain should be around 13k on average per day or such | 22:25 |
| de-facto | %cases Spain | 22:25 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Spain, there have been 1.1 million confirmed cases (2.3% of the population) and 34521 deaths (3.2% of cases) as of 2 hours ago. 15.5 million tests were performed (7.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Spain for time series data. | 22:25 |
| de-facto | %exactcases Spain | 22:25 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: Do as you wish! | 22:26 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: Do as you wish! | 22:26 |
| de-facto | meh | 22:26 |
| de-facto | %cases World | 22:27 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In World, there have been 42.0 million confirmed cases (0.5% of the population) and 1.1 million deaths (2.7% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 760.6 million tests were performed (5.5% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.6% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 22:27 |
| de-facto | wow 42M now worldwide damn its progressing fast | 22:27 |
| LjL | if it thinks what you're saying is neither positive nor negative (and apparently "slaps" doesn't seem very specific) it just answers with that | 22:27 |
| de-facto | aaw | 22:28 |
| LjL | i don't need no antisocial anything, got plenty of that | 22:28 |
| de-facto | so how come it reported earlier 44k for Spain is that several days or is there a huge cluster? | 22:29 |
| LjL | de-facto, i don't know, look at the graph, there are definitely "steps" because of lack of reporting on weekends, but it looks like yesterday they *had* reported | 22:30 |
| LjL | maybe it'll turn out there's been some backlog | 22:30 |
| LjL | also spain kinda hides these numbers under the rug and publicizes a different (and imo misleading) number instead | 22:31 |
| de-facto | yeah its got its spikes but on average it should be around maybe 15k or such? | 22:31 |
| LjL | which aiui is the number of people diagnosed positive within the past 24 hours | 22:31 |
| de-facto | hmm ok so maybe its the very latest spike then | 22:31 |
| LjL | de-facto, the last artificial spike was around +38000 but that was clearly after +0 for a couple of days | 22:31 |
| de-facto | but that would be bad news they then did not achieven R~1 | 22:32 |
| de-facto | and it would be raising again | 22:32 |
| LjL | so the number is compatible with that but the past few days haven't read +0 | 22:32 |
| de-facto | yeah makes sense, unfortunately | 22:32 |
| de-facto | I did had some hopes from viewing it on http://metrics.covid19-analysis.org/ | 22:34 |
| de-facto | but it seems its on the wrong side of trends again | 22:34 |
| de-facto | so their testing is more or less constant since first week of September https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/daily-tests-per-thousand-people-smoothed-7-day?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=earliest..2020-10-16&country=~ESP®ion=World | 22:38 |
| de-facto | as is their positive rate https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/tests-per-confirmed-case-daily-smoothed?tab=chart&time=earliest..latest&country=~ESP | 22:40 |
| de-facto | so that only seems to describe their plateau there | 22:40 |
| de-facto | and does not seem to include the new most recent raise in incidence yet | 22:41 |
| de-facto | yet only 10 test per case thats almost an order of magnitude too few tests | 22:42 |
| de-facto | or is their active prevalence really in that rage? that would be totaly crazy | 22:46 |
| de-facto | they surely have some targeting in their testing | 22:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Who's At Risk For 'Long COVID?': About 5% of those with COVID-19 will have symptoms for eight weeks or more, according to the preprint analysis of data, CNN reported Wednesday. → https://is.gd/LSDYjo | 22:46 |
| de-facto | why do countries not take 1% of their testing capacity to do a randomly choosen representative sample throughout the population e.g. by choosing on register or such? | 22:51 |
| de-facto | i think such information would be worth much more than 1% testing capacity | 22:53 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +4349 cases (now 8.6 million), +75 deaths (now 228141) since 35 minutes ago — Canada: +213 cases (now 208447), +4 deaths (now 9862) since 5 hours ago | 22:54 |
| LjL | de-facto, what do we gain by doing that? the thing is evolving so quickly that unless you test everyone on the same day, it won't even be representative *within* the representative sample... and after that, okay, you have a semi-realistic prevalence snapshot for that point in time, but isn't getting one via serology much better | 22:55 |
| de-facto | we would have an estimator for real current prevalence hence a solid base for modeling | 22:57 |
| de-facto | yes its changing fast, hence the trend would be based on several data points and could get extrapolated into the future | 22:58 |
| de-facto | together with hospitalizations and fatalities this would give hard numbers for a model really representing the current trends | 22:59 |
| de-facto | it would make estimations rock solid and not like "yeah well you never know about how targeting influences current detected case numbers etc yada yada" | 23:00 |
| de-facto | i think it would be of big value to base decisions upon about containment strategy requirements etc | 23:01 |
| de-facto | even true prevalence per age group would be known and how it changes with time | 23:04 |
| de-facto | such data would be quite useful for shielding vulnerable groups etc | 23:04 |
| de-facto | to be honest i dont understand why not every country does that, dedicate 1% of testing capacity to getting a representative view about current real prevalence | 23:05 |
| de-facto | im sure it could prevent much more than only that 1% of lost targeted testing capacity | 23:06 |
| de-facto | it even could estimate how well targeting works currently | 23:07 |
| de-facto | would normalize almost every parameter | 23:07 |
| de-facto | so essentially the gain could be to solidify every number by correlating it to the current representative sample | 23:09 |
| de-facto | i think thats quite a big gain if that could be made possible | 23:10 |
| de-facto | what i mean is dedicating 1% testing capacity continuously all the time | 23:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +822 cases (now 8.6 million), +8 deaths (now 228149) since 36 minutes ago | 23:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2394 cases (now 8.6 million), +64 deaths (now 228213) since 21 minutes ago | 23:39 |
| LjL | de-facto, in italy, in milan at least but i presume elsewhere too, one problem is that people get COVID *while* waiting get tested for COVID | 23:43 |
| LjL | we don't have that 1%, and if i was called to take part in a sample like that, i would decline | 23:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: FDA approves Gilead's remdesivir as coronavirus treatment: Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading infectious disease expert, has previously said the drug would set "a new standard of care" for Covid-19 patients. → https://is.gd/iKuRuF | 23:53 |
| LjL | ... right after the WHO review says it's useless | 23:56 |
| LjL | i don't know who to believe but i sure can believe they're all clueless themselves | 23:56 |
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