| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid admissions to hospital jump 60% in 10 days, leak reveals → https://is.gd/ykDG5F | 00:23 |
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| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Eighth grader in Franklin County dies from COVID-19, school says (10064 votes) | https://www.kmov.com/news/eighth-grader-in-franklin-county-dies-from-covid-19-school-says/article_9031a344-1cb1-11eb-b941-33a2fcb5666d.html | https://redd.it/jmmlm7 | 00:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Everyone in the city of Liverpool, England will be offered regular covid-19 testing as armed forces arrive to launch the UK's first whole city testing operation → https://is.gd/ayFjpB | 00:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +5461 cases (now 9.6 million), +28 deaths (now 236921) since an hour ago | 00:53 |
| kreyren | well i believe i just got exposed to SARS-CoV-2 after eating a putting that had a hole in the lid that i didn't notice.. so PSA desinfect your food and check for these things | 01:17 |
| kreyren | as i am feeling the same way as i felt before when i was exposed to it x.x | 01:17 |
| ryouma | reinfection? | 01:18 |
| tinwhiskers | what is a putting? | 01:19 |
| tinwhiskers | is that like some sort of pre-packaged pudding and the seal was broken? | 01:20 |
| kreyren | pudding sorry x.x | 01:20 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. ok. You may have just eaten a pudding gone bad :-) | 01:21 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, yep there was a small hole (0.5cm) | 01:21 |
| tinwhiskers | what sort of pudding? | 01:21 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, would have different symptoms and this one was made 3 days ago i get them directly from the seller | 01:21 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 01:22 |
| tinwhiskers | I always buy my things directly from sellers too. | 01:22 |
| kreyren | possible that this is placebo, but i feel exactly the same as i felt before when i was exposed to it meaning headache, sore throat, metalic taste and discomfort | 01:22 |
| tinwhiskers | dang. hope for the best. | 01:23 |
| tinwhiskers | is this some sort of custard pudding? | 01:23 |
| tinwhiskers | or cake? | 01:23 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, it's a pudding desert they call it in plastic container with alluminium seal on the top | 01:24 |
| kreyren | https://i.imgur.com/68mA0SS.png | 01:25 |
| kreyren | this one | 01:25 |
| kreyren | but chocolate flavour | 01:25 |
| tinwhiskers | I get that it's a pudding, but pudding covers a *huge* variety of things where I come from. I was trying to figure out if it was like dairy-based, cake, custard, or whatnot. | 01:25 |
| tinwhiskers | so I guess some sort of processed dairy food? | 01:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Victoria, Australia records fourth consecutive day of zero new COVID-19 cases and no deaths → https://is.gd/gIDYFQ | 01:26 |
| kreyren | i believe dairy | 01:26 |
| tinwhiskers | ok. interesting. | 01:26 |
| ryouma | authorities always say food isn't an issue. idk why. | 01:26 |
| kreyren | based on the hope i would assume that someone was cutting the boxes that it came from and the utility knife cutting through | 01:26 |
| tinwhiskers | you tested positive last time didn't you kreyren? | 01:26 |
| kreyren | *hole | 01:26 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i never tested positive on covid i just had symptoms and then it went away within few hours | 01:27 |
| ryouma | and that is enough of a dose? | 01:27 |
| tinwhiskers | ah | 01:27 |
| kreyren | ryouma, seems to be note that i was licking the bottom of the seal because i am recycling the metal and it makes it easier to clean x.x | 01:28 |
| kreyren | looking back that is a hugging stupid thing to do | 01:28 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 01:28 |
| ryouma | don't blame yourself for that. probably everybody does it. | 01:28 |
| kreyren | ye x.x | 01:28 |
| tinwhiskers | all the best kreyren | 01:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virology.ws: TWiV 677: Does antibody really know what time it is?: Daniel Griffin provides a clinical report on COVID-19, then we discuss rapid deployment of SARS-CoV-2 testing by research laboratories in San Francisco, longitudinal observation of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 in patients, and listener questions on vaccines, loss of smell, face [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/27JDmH | 01:34 |
| ryouma | i wisdh there were transcripts for twiv. i cannot listen to the whole thing for helth reasons. i'd be interested in just searching for loss of smell etc. | 01:35 |
| de-facto | ryouma, why not? there are loads of websites allowing download of YT subtitles, they are not high quality but maybe sufficient for text searching via grep or such? if you use srt you might even get the appropriate playback times and listen to the audio for interesting locations https://downsub.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DULRlOIigDR8 | 01:41 |
| de-facto | so maybe you can script that somehow and fetch all of them? :D | 01:42 |
| ryouma | not up to it but it is a good idea to do so automatically. didn't realize it was yt. | 01:50 |
| kreyren[m] | So my oxygen in blood dropped to like 92% from usual 96% (i am back at 96% used personal ventilator) and I feel much worse - metalic taste, minor loss of smell, fever (37.2C). . . Were there any cases where covid caused these symtoms within an hour ? | 02:00 |
| kreyren[m] | Feeling calm heart rate and pressure within average | 02:01 |
| ryouma | dairy allergy? what is a personal ventilator? | 02:01 |
| kreyren[m] | I don't have dairy allergy and I eat these on regular bases | 02:02 |
| kreyren[m] | Personal ventilator thing that breathes for you if needed I got it in 2020 January in preparation for covid | 02:02 |
| metreo | cpap? | 02:03 |
| metreo | continuous positive air pressure machine | 02:03 |
| kreyren[m] | Yep cpap with changes to the software to be used as ventilator bcs its not doing the breathing by default | 02:03 |
| metreo | sure plus you can modify the intake to attach a filter and put it in a backpack or something with batteries | 02:04 |
| kreyren[m] | I cant it requires too much voltage for portability | 02:05 |
| kreyren[m] | Back to the topic any cases where covid was this fast reaction ? | 02:05 |
| metreo | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS6GA83nbds | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | metreo: From www.youtube.com: Low-Cost Powered Air-Purifying Respirator (PAPR) - YouTube | 02:05 |
| kreyren[m] | I am kinda concerned about the oxygen I am on average 97.43% and now dropping to 93-95% | 02:06 |
| ryouma | my o2sat is 91-92 | 02:08 |
| metreo | that's rather low isn't it? | 02:08 |
| \mSg | Yes, things can turn very quickly with covid from my understanding. If you get <~90% you should consider going to the hospital. Obviously consult w/a dr. My understanding is ventilation use only has better outcomes in late stage...they're trying to push o2 as long as possible before ventilating. | 02:09 |
| kreyren[m] | I am healthy in early 20s with athletic body so 93-95% is low for me, but I have astma with which I am still as said average (97.35%) | 02:10 |
| kreyren[m] | 97.45% | 02:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from University of Washington: Will the Hardest-Hit Communities Get the Coronavirus Vaccine? (quotes Beth Bell): vaccine.jpg Close A vaccine trial in Hollywood, Fla., in September. With limited quantities of any approved vaccine expected, policy makers have to decide who will and will not receive the first doses. Credit: Marco Bello/Reuters View [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/U0XZX3 | 02:10 |
| kreyren[m] | Measure from 4 weeks atm | 02:10 |
| kreyren[m] | Well athletic body +3.72kg above ideal atm | 02:11 |
| metreo | who has covid? | 02:15 |
| ghost_rider[m] | metreo: that's the question everyone wants answered. | 02:16 |
| metreo | hehe | 02:16 |
| kreyren[m] | metreo possibly me, looking for references for symptoms within 1 hour from exposure to exclude placebo | 02:18 |
| kreyren[m] | Seems to be getting better now though still metalic taste and partial loss of smell | 02:18 |
| kreyren[m] | And droping oxygen to 2% below average in rest | 02:19 |
| ghost_rider[m] | kreyren[m]: 😕 | 02:20 |
| ghost_rider[m] | Have you already made the test but waiting for results ? | 02:21 |
| kreyren[m] | ghost no this is within an hour from possible exposure i usually have fast reaction on covid from previous experience but this one seems to be worse | 02:21 |
| metreo | I was tested earlier in the year though it was negative at that time | 02:21 |
| tinwhiskers | there's *no way* you would get symptoms within an hour | 02:22 |
| metreo | unless there is a psychological amplification of your symptoms | 02:22 |
| kreyren[m] | Namely metalic taste is more unpleasant, partial loss of smell and was feeling like gasping for air | 02:22 |
| metreo | metallic taste can be a lot of things | 02:22 |
| kreyren[m] | True but for me it was associated with covid exposure before where is was minor now i would say major | 02:23 |
| tinwhiskers | Honestly it seems highly unlikely either of your supposed covid infections were actually covid. | 02:23 |
| kreyren[m] | Also true | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kreyren[m]: sars-cob2 takes at least 2 days until it may develop early effects. What you describe sounds like the classic flu | 02:47 |
| kreyren | DocScrutinizer05, true, but in my previous cases the symptoms seemed to appear within one hour thus why am i concerned | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kreyren: we established just yesterday(?) in gere that a single cell virus multiplication cycle takes ~10h | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in here* | 02:49 |
| ghost_rider[m] | kreyren: your bio things and stuff like things fast. | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so no way whatsoever to experience symtomps after just one hour | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my 2 ct | 02:50 |
| kreyren | DocScrutinizer05, I assume this being from a lid of a pidding where my hypothesis would be a utility knife with virus on it that might be able to replicate within the container? | 02:50 |
| ghost_rider[m] | DocScrutinizer05: saw when you guy's rised that question, never got out of my head, thanks for bring that up | 02:50 |
| kreyren | for me to then injest it through licking the lid from the inside side? if that makes sense | 02:51 |
| kreyren | so basically theory of injesting colony of virus particles? | 02:51 |
| ghost_rider[m] | kreyren: why you lick a knife infected with sars colony ? | 02:52 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: a pudding isn't a suitable environment for coronavirus replication. | 02:53 |
| kreyren | ghost_rider[m], i licked the inside of a alluminium foil on a plastic container containing chocolate pudding and after that i've noticed ~0.5cm openning that looked like from a utility knife | 02:53 |
| tinwhiskers | if it got contaminated it wouldn't have replicated further | 02:54 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, what makes you think that? it can allegedly survive multiple hours in humid environment? | 02:54 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, survive, not replicate. | 02:54 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, assuming that being true what would prevent the living virus particles from causing these symptoms? | 02:54 |
| ghost_rider[m] | kreyren: do you think was infected on propose ? | 02:54 |
| kreyren | ghost_rider[m], nah i get food delivered weekly this one i got few hours ago | 02:55 |
| kreyren | +- 5 hours ago delivered | 02:55 |
| tinwhiskers | there's no way it could possibly have replicated in one hour to the point where you were getting symptoms. This is just not feasible. | 02:55 |
| ghost_rider[m] | If a imaginary beings believer spreads sars, how to know was not on propose (bio errorism) ? | 02:56 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i would argue using my previous alleged exposure experience as reference, but these are not too trustworthy | 02:56 |
| tinwhiskers | kreyren: your previous experience is also not covid. | 02:56 |
| kreyren | as usually i got the symptoms within an hour after the first exposure that lasted 3 days | 02:56 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, very likely | 02:56 |
| tinwhiskers | not just very likely. There is no way you got covid in one hour previously and therefore that does not provide supporting evidence that you got covid again. | 02:57 |
| kreyren | this whole thing could be placebo and i might have some other medical condition O.o | 02:57 |
| tinwhiskers | yes | 02:57 |
| tinwhiskers | or food poisoning | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kreyren: fast onset is something like flu or severe other virus or intoxicatgion,not sars-cov2. SEE A DOCTOR! | 02:58 |
| kreyren | food poisoning is unlikely, but possible | 02:58 |
| tinwhiskers | it's a whole lot more likely than covid | 02:58 |
| kreyren | DocScrutinizer05, contacted doctor 37 mins ago scheduler appointment already | 02:58 |
| kreyren | was panicking mostly tbh bcs i threw the rest of the pudding out and then noticed that i ain't feeling well x.x | 02:58 |
| kreyren | and assuming previous experience the symptoms seemed to be basically same.. just the metalic taste and the oxygen were worse O.o | 02:59 |
| tinwhiskers | but the last incident couldn't have been covid either so that does not provide evidence for this being covid. | 03:00 |
| ghost_rider[m] | Pudding seems dangerous and a extreme sport. | 03:01 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i would argue that as stated above seems that the particles can survive outside of the host for a limited time | 03:01 |
| kreyren | the hypothesis being covid-infected worker who cough on the utility knife so assuming high amount of particles transferred on the lid | 03:02 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, they can survive (they can't replicate as you claimed) and you can't get symptoms in one hour | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kreyren: and DONt PANIC! - read your hitchhiker's guide to galaxy :-) - btw 37.2°C is pretty normal | 03:02 |
| kreyren | DocScrutinizer05, 37.2C is above average for me while in rest based on 4 weeks of data measured 4x a day | 03:03 |
| kreyren | DocScrutinizer05, but ye panic is bad x.x rationality is the way! | 03:03 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, So assuming scenario where imaginary high amount (dunno how to specify the amount to be reasonable) licked from a surface ? | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, everything les than 38.0°C will noth even make your doctor rise an eyebrow | 03:04 |
| tinwhiskers | you're not being rational though. You insist it is covid despite it clearly not being covid. | 03:04 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, trying to rationally disprove my hypothesis tbh O.o | 03:05 |
| tinwhiskers | no, you're not. You're struggling to find a reason to say it's covid without any reasonable cause to do so. | 03:05 |
| kreyren | or what do you suggest? my concern is that this could be covid and my situation getting worse as the observed symptoms concern me | 03:05 |
| dTal | kreyren: it sounds like you're monitoring yourself like a hawk | 03:06 |
| dTal | bodies have all kinds of funny turns and weird fluctuations | 03:06 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, reason being hypothesis of high amount of particles licked off the lid? | 03:06 |
| dTal | if you weren't glued to your o2 meter in the middle of a pandemic, you'd write it off, go to bed, and wake up tomorrow having forgotten all about it | 03:06 |
| kreyren | dTal, all the more reasons to research them! :p will give me a start up on med school when covid-19 is over in the worst case scenario | 03:07 |
| dTal | Couple weeks back I felt absolutely awful - rapid heart rate, headache, mild temperature elevation | 03:07 |
| tinwhiskers | there's no reason to say there is a *high* amount of particles unless you are clinging to your pudding replication theory. If it was contaminated it's unlikely to be high, but *even if it were high* you wouldn't get symptoms in 1 hour. | 03:07 |
| dTal | thought for sure I was ill | 03:08 |
| dTal | turned out to be environmental toxins | 03:08 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i am not saying replication in the pudding i am saying surviving on the putting from a host | 03:08 |
| kreyren | *pudding | 03:08 |
| metreo | pudding? | 03:08 |
| dTal | (all-day exposure to low-level plastic fumes) | 03:08 |
| tinwhiskers | then why claim it is high (not that it matters). | 03:08 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, claiming high in relation to me unlikely previous exposures that produced same symptoms but this case seemed to be more uncomfortable | 03:09 |
| tinwhiskers | a box cutter cutting into the lid is not going to highly contaminate the pudding for starters, but EVEN IF IT DID you still wouldn't get symptoms in 1 hour. | 03:09 |
| kreyren | so assumed higher? | 03:09 |
| tinwhiskers | Your previous exposure is also not possible for thge same reasons yet you continue to use it as evidence that this one is covid. | 03:10 |
| ryouma | to my knowledge all viruses replicate using live human, plant, etc. cells. i'm not sure live cells would stick around there? --- 18:50 <kreyren> DocScrutinizer05, I assume this being from a lid of a pidding where my hypothesis would be a utility knife with virus on it that might be able to replicate within the container? | 03:10 |
| tinwhiskers | why are you so insistent you have covid when all signs point to the contrary? | 03:10 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, i am using it as possibly relevant data to provide reasoning to my judgement during panic | 03:11 |
| kreyren | ryouma, i am not arguing replicated on the pudding i am arguing surviving on the lid for me to then injest by licking the lid | 03:11 |
| dTal | kreyren are you a med student | 03:11 |
| ghost_rider[m] | Pudding is serious business. | 03:12 |
| kreyren | dTal, was supposed to be for 1 year but can't study bcs of covid and my previous missmanagement of school handling x.x | 03:12 |
| tinwhiskers | you're being paranoid and quite frankly delusional. You didn't get covid in 1 hour from a pudding. | 03:12 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, agree | 03:12 |
| tinwhiskers | there may be something to be concerned about but stop focusing on covid. That ain't it. | 03:13 |
| dTal | kreyren: oh dear, sorry to hear you've been blocked | 03:13 |
| dTal | well, know that first year med students invariably go through a hypochondriac phase | 03:13 |
| dTal | happens to everyone | 03:13 |
| kreyren | dTal, not blocked they allowed me to continue.. i just didn't felt like being around possibly dieing people without the knowledge to do something about it tbh x.x | 03:13 |
| ryouma | you are a first year? | 03:14 |
| kreyren | ryouma, nope waiting to be able to begin | 03:14 |
| kreyren | i only got private education from family doctors atm | 03:15 |
| ryouma | ? | 03:15 |
| ryouma | oh your family | 03:15 |
| kreyren | yes | 03:15 |
| kreyren | full of doctors kinda being forced on the path to be one as well atm, but i want to be doctor anyway~ | 03:16 |
| kreyren | tinwhiskers, thanks for sanity check btw | 03:17 |
| tinwhiskers | you're welcome :-) | 03:17 |
| ryouma | you will possibly have lots of long covid customers. please take them seriously and listen to everything they say. | 03:20 |
| ryouma | despite whatever propaganda you might be fed | 03:20 |
| tinwhiskers | we don't really know how long "long covid" will last yet. | 03:21 |
| kreyren | ryouma, ye i always listen and trying to diagnose people by looking at them while they talk ^-^ | 03:21 |
| kreyren | they hated me for that in elementary bcs i've diagnosed like 5 people that were around there with things that they actually got and they hated me for it for some reason >.> | 03:22 |
| ryouma | what i mean is guidelines can be political | 03:23 |
| ryouma | and a doctor who is aware of that is a good doctor | 03:23 |
| tinwhiskers | fair | 03:23 |
| kreyren | i don't want to be anywhere near US medical system and i am politically active in europe already O.o | 03:23 |
| ryouma | tinwhiskers: was talking to kreyren. already wrote you off for not noticing the word possibly. :) | 03:23 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 03:24 |
| ryouma | europe has disease politics also | 03:24 |
| ryouma | the whole world does | 03:24 |
| kreyren | ryouma, rather from what i've observed it was because i told a teacher she has alsheimer based on her eye twitching at random intervals that died after for some unrelated brain issue and her daughter (also teacher next door) then storming in the room crying for people to associate it being caused by me and bully me for that | 03:25 |
| kreyren | or so i believe O.o | 03:25 |
| kreyren | they called me the zmrdka (smrtka is death in czech and zmrd is an insult) after | 03:26 |
| ryouma | superstition | 03:26 |
| ryouma | ? | 03:26 |
| kreyren | ryouma, dunno O.o | 03:27 |
| ryouma | as for propaganda i was referring to possible future propaganda. for clarity. | 03:27 |
| kreyren | ah x.x | 03:28 |
| ryouma | as in, reference materials | 03:28 |
| ryouma | guidelines | 03:29 |
| ryouma | etc. | 03:29 |
| ryouma | grey literature | 03:29 |
| ryouma | anything | 03:29 |
| kreyren | ye i am always doing the "academical approach" meaning to deduce my hypothesis based on relevant info instead of saying it's <something> without thinking about it | 03:31 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Oxford to trial new COVID-19 test for individuals without symptoms (80 votes) | https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-10-29-oxford-trial-new-covid-19-test-individuals-without-symptoms# | https://redd.it/jmrvuj | 03:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: After Protests Related To Covid19 Restrictions People Detained → https://is.gd/zvjIdz | 03:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid-19: Liverpool to pilot city-wide coronavirus testing: It will use rapid results tests that could be offered to "millions" by Christmas, the PM says. → https://is.gd/mna8VD | 04:16 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Charlie Baker orders people to wear masks in public, no matter how far they are from other people (10168 votes) | https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/02/nation/charlie-baker-orders-people-wear-masks-public-no-matter-how-far-they-are-other-people | https://redd.it/jmxugj | 05:20 |
| LjL | https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/jmnjfm/cellular_immunity_to_sarscov2_found_at_six_months/ | 05:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Prince William surprised royal fans this week when he revealed he had contracted coronavirus last April. → https://is.gd/t4yEIX | 06:03 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: yeah, good news. Still looking plausible for the 1-year mark, which would be double-plus happy-good. | 06:03 |
| tinwhiskers | But at least if we are getting 6 months from natural infections it's likely we can do better with vaccines, albeit maybe not the first versions. | 06:04 |
| tinwhiskers | but I can certainly handle two vaccines shots per year in the meantime. | 06:05 |
| tinwhiskers | RE Prince William: "last April"?? | 06:06 |
| tinwhiskers | That must mean something different where they come from. | 06:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +13071 cases (now 9.6 million), +76 deaths (now 236997) since 6 hours ago — Belgium: +6337 cases (now 447355), +121 deaths (now 11858) since a day ago — Netherlands: +1177 cases (now 369324), +25 deaths (now 7488) since 15 hours ago — Canada: +295 cases (now 240278), +6 deaths (now 10224) since 7 hours ago | 07:06 |
| Brainstorm | New preprint: Predicting the animal hosts of coronaviruses from compositional biases of spike protein and whole genome sequences through machine learning by Liam Brierley et al, published on 2020-11-02 at https://biorxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.11.02.350439 [... want %more?] | 07:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lombardy, Italy: +5278 cases (now 209629), +46 deaths (now 17635) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +2078 cases (now 371402), +7 deaths (now 7495) since 31 minutes ago — United Kingdom: +1579 cases (now 1.1 million), +34 deaths (now 46898) since 31 minutes ago — Canada: +883 cases (now 241161), +8 deaths (now 10232) since 31 minutes ago | 07:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Caregivers have witnessed the coronavirus’s pain. How will they vote? → https://is.gd/DM9Jhv | 07:58 |
| de-facto | Will the US elections have any impact on incidence there or are their concepts expected to avoid most potential infections? | 09:47 |
| dtrum | Covid-19 Confirmed Cases per Population, all countries https://paste.c-net.org/JamalCryptic | 09:48 |
| de-facto | dtrum, neat source? | 09:49 |
| de-facto | so at 2.11.2020 there is a rolling average of ~86k daily new infections in USA, slope looks almost linear with ~2073 daily increase for incidence | 09:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Discrimination increases against Asian and Asian American population, affecting health: Reports of racial discrimination against Asians and Asian-Americans have increased since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic hit the United States, coinciding with an increase in reported negative health symptoms. → https://is.gd/WDd8uy | 09:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Rapid method finds potent COVID-19 monoclonal antibody among a trillion possibilities: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine scientists have discovered the fastest way to identify potent, neutralizing human monoclonal antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. → https://is.gd/3go2Jq | 10:03 |
| de-facto | neat @ monoclonal AB ^^ | 10:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Undeterred by pandemic, Americans prepare to deliver verdict on Trump → https://is.gd/d7IPdV | 10:12 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/10/30/2010197117 | 10:16 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.pnas.org: Rapid identification of a human antibody with high prophylactic and therapeutic efficacy in three animal models of SARS-CoV-2 infection | PNAS | 10:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Germany eyes antigen tests to keep elderly safe in 2nd wave: As Europe tries to break the surging second wave of coronavirus infections, Germany is counting on a new type of test to avoid closing nursing homes to visitors, a move that caused considerable anguish among residents and relatives in the spring. → https://is.gd/fbEqHE | 10:21 |
| dtrum | de-facto: me! calculated on data from https://github.com/ulklc/covid19-timeseries/raw/master/countryReport/raw/rawReport.csv | 10:28 |
| bolovanos | hithere | 10:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: More lockdowns in Europe as virus outbreaks grow: Austria and Greece on Tuesday will become the latest European nations to impose spirit-crushing curbs to combat the coronavirus surge, with a deadly terrorist attack in Vienna ahead of a partial lockdown compounding the misery. → https://is.gd/TSamc7 | 10:40 |
| dtrum | 1whois bolovanos | 10:48 |
| de-facto | dtrum, nice | 10:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: ‘Seven different forms of mild COVID-19 identified’ → https://is.gd/UnR9v9 | 11:44 |
| rpifan | hm | 11:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +6126 cases (now 182303), +12 deaths (now 2416) since 12 hours ago — US: +732 cases (now 9.6 million), +12 deaths (now 237009) since 5 hours ago | 12:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Helen Salisbury: Mourning meetings: In pre-covid days, I would walk out to the waiting room to fetch each patient. This benefited my health (too much uninterrupted sitting is bad for you), provided a moment for greetings and... → https://is.gd/NGFB7o | 12:29 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Robust SARS-CoV-2-specific T-cell immunity is maintained at 6 months following primary infection (80 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.01.362319v1 | https://redd.it/jn450k | 12:34 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Interferon deficiency can lead to severe COVID (80 votes) | https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03070-1 | https://redd.it/jmxiec | 12:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: ProPublica’s Guide to 2020 Election Laws and Lawsuits: by Ian MacDougall ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up for ProPublica’s User’s Guide to Democracy , a series of personalized emails that help you understand the upcoming election, from who’s on your ballot to how to cast your [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/3qxJel | 12:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +2 deaths (now 2418) since 49 minutes ago | 12:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Deaths 10% higher than normal as virus deaths rise → https://is.gd/M5cMdi | 13:05 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: More Americans approve of Fauci's handling of coronavirus than POTUS, new poll finds (10102 votes) | https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/02/2020-election-polls-voters-approve-more-of-fauci-than-trump-on-coronavirus.html | https://redd.it/jn0w4e | 13:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Cancer treatment could be replicated for COVID-19: Beta-blockers could potentially be used to treat COVID-19, according to a new international study by Italian and Australian scientists. → https://is.gd/AbXWca | 14:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +12 deaths (now 2430) since an hour ago | 14:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Could an antibody drug help you shed pounds?: An experimental antibody drug that targets one of the body's key metabolism regulators may help obese people lose weight—at least briefly. → https://is.gd/2lnhDg | 14:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +121 cases (now 9.6 million) since 2 hours ago | 14:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Immune cells are responding to Covid six months after infection, study finds: Cellular, or "T-cell," immunity against Covid-19 is likely to be present within most adults six months after primary infection, a new study claims. → https://is.gd/1Y5FJg | 14:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Europe was central in the global spread of the coronavirus, says new research: The University of Huddersfield's Archaeogenetics Research Group has mapped out the dispersal of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, responsible for the current worldwide COVID-19 pandemic, putting Europe center-stage as the main source of the spread. → https://is.gd/YPQhGi | 14:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Q&A: Rapid COVID tests could hold the key to reopening: USC researchers are collaborating with Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti and the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health on a multiphase project to examine the use of coronavirus rapid antigen tests among first responders and school-aged children. → https://is.gd/naz9T8 | 14:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Post - November 03 | Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions → https://is.gd/hVB3bi | 14:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from NIH Director's blog: Face Coverings Could Save 130,000 American Lives from COVID-19 by March: The pandemic has already claimed the lives of more than 230,000 people in the U.S., the population of a middle-sized American city. As we look ahead to the winter months and the coming flu season, the question weighing on the minds of most Americans [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/eq9pv7 | 15:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +4488 cases (now 375890), +89 deaths (now 7576) since 7 hours ago — US: +2398 cases (now 9.6 million), +22 deaths (now 237031) since 51 minutes ago — Switzerland: +9 deaths (now 2439) since an hour ago | 15:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +127 cases (now 9.6 million) since 21 minutes ago | 15:24 |
| rminol | sorry by mistakenly typed. | 15:43 |
| semtex | Hi | 15:47 |
| semtex | Hello world | 15:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Dr. Scott Gottlieb warns of a 'sustained period' in the U.S. of 'well above' 1,000 Covid deaths per day → https://is.gd/InFmqG | 15:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Recognizing the value of work as key to understanding low-wage Latinx workers' occupational health: The COVID-19 pandemic has cruelly illustrated the critical role of work as a social determinant of health. In particular, the value of work for all of us has been underscored in myriad ways, while the risks that marginalized [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/W8v2tv | 15:59 |
| Guest62 | Hello | 16:39 |
| Guest62 | Hello world | 16:39 |
| jacklsw | hello guest62 | 16:41 |
| jacklsw | oops he has quit | 16:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +3083 cases (now 9.6 million), +37 deaths (now 237068) since an hour ago | 16:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Cornea appears to resist infection from novel coronavirus: New findings from researchers at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis suggest the eye's cornea can resist infection from the novel coronavirus. Although the herpes simplex virus can infect the cornea and spread to other parts of the body in patients [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YYYj74 | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>spirit-crushing curbs<< ohmy | 17:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +152 cases (now 241313) since 9 hours ago | 17:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Some treatments for osteoporosis could reduce the incidence of COVID-19: Some of the principal treatments for osteoporosis—denosumab, zoledronate and calcium—could have a protective effect against COVID-19 in patients who take them, specifically a 30 to 40% reduction in the rate of infection, according to the results of a [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/kzjl4Z | 17:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, why does vitamin D come to mind when I read "osteoporosis"? | 17:17 |
| Jigsy | 3>Owing to technical difficulties, we have not received cases data for England. | 17:24 |
| Jigsy | Kek. | 17:24 |
| Jigsy | That bad, huh? w | 17:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Death rates have fallen by 18% for hospitalized COVID-19 patients as treatments improve: Two large recent studies show that people hospitalized for COVID-19 in March were more than three times as likely to die as people hospitalized for COVID–19 in August. → https://is.gd/JSEu0T | 17:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Challenges to providing behavioral health care during pandemic: The COVID-19 outbreak has significantly impacted the delivery of behavioral health services, which had to modify rapidly from in-person to remote, according to a Rutgers study published in the Community Mental Health Journal. → https://is.gd/6lpOwh | 17:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +28241 cases (now 759829), +353 deaths (now 39412) since a day ago — US: +5036 cases (now 9.6 million), +98 deaths (now 237166) since an hour ago — Arizona, US: +1679 cases (now 249818), +38 deaths (now 6020) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +873 cases (now 242186), +29 deaths (now 10256) since an hour ago | 18:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Europe's coronavirus infections top 11 million: Europe passed a grim milestone Tuesday after reporting more than 11 million coronavirus cases, as Austria and Greece became the latest countries on the continent to impose shutdowns. → https://is.gd/Fd5CIr | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Greece re-enters partial novel coronavirus lockdown: Athens and northern Greece on Tuesday entered lockdown for at least a month to fight a resurgent coronavirus, causing small businesses to worry anew for their future. → https://is.gd/6WuwlF | 18:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +18669 cases (now 1.3 million), +238 deaths (now 36495) since 23 hours ago — US: +358 cases (now 9.6 million), +11 deaths (now 237177) since 51 minutes ago | 18:50 |
| metreo | .title https://j.mp/2HU9GfE | 18:54 |
| Brainstorm | metreo: From j.mp: Death rates have fallen by 18% for hospitalized COVID-19 patients as treatments improve | 18:54 |
| metreo | .title https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Aramcos-Q3-Profit-Slumps-45.html | 18:59 |
| Brainstorm | metreo: From oilprice.com: Aramco's Q3 Profit Slumps 45% | OilPrice.com | 18:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from University of Washington: Evidence Related to Schools During the COVID-19 Pandemic: COVID-19 Literature Situation Report In-depth Report: 122369679_10159071888786654_3959717902833176237_n.jpg Most countries world-wide implemented localized or national school closures in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, with estimates of >65% of enrolled [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UTjlKw | 19:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +3502 cases (now 9.6 million), +84 deaths (now 237261) since 35 minutes ago | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +3476 cases (now 9.6 million), +15 deaths (now 237276) since 18 minutes ago | 19:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Experimental hormone therapy may speed recovery for COVID patients: Every time the phone rang, it seemed to Kristine Smoley like more bad news about her husband, who contracted COVID-19 and was in a hospital intensive care unit on a ventilator because he couldn't breathe on his own. → https://is.gd/VIpsoM | 19:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Q And A: Healthy sleep habits for children: DEAR MAYO CLINIC: My 9-year-old son has been having trouble sleeping ever since we began social distancing more due to the COVID-19 pandemic. While he goes to bed at a reasonable time, he doesn't seem to fall asleep until after midnight and often comes into my room to tell me he [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/F54GK1 | 19:50 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Former FDA chief Scott Gottlieb: The U.S. is entering a 'sustained period' of 1,000 Covid deaths per day (10196 votes) | https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/11/03/scott-gottlieb-sustained-period-1000-covid-deaths-squawk-box.html | https://redd.it/jn9rzk | 19:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Study uncovers subset of COVID-19 patients who recover quickly and sustain antibodies: One of the pressing questions about COVID-19 remains: How long does immunity last? One key indicator of immunity is the presence of virus-specific antibodies. Previous studies have provided conflicting accounts about whether people who have [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/z1AaVH | 19:58 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +36330 cases (now 1.5 million) since 12 hours ago — US: +6164 cases (now 9.6 million), +67 deaths (now 237343) since 31 minutes ago | 20:05 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Liverpool to be regularly tested for coronavirus in first whole city testing pilot (86 votes) | https://www.gov.uk/government/news/liverpool-to-be-regularly-tested-for-coronavirus-in-first-whole-city-testing-pilot | https://redd.it/jnbhod | 20:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Paying people to self-isolate saves lives and money: The success of second lockdowns around the UK will depend not just on people following the general rules but also on positive cases and their contacts self-isolating entirely. → https://is.gd/WoMrMw | 20:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +8689 cases (now 9.6 million), +134 deaths (now 237477) since 17 minutes ago — Switzerland: +18 deaths (now 2465) since 2 hours ago | 20:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Turkey orders businesses closed at 10 pm to fight virus: Turkey's restaurants, cinemas and other businesses will have to shut at 10:00 pm to help fight rising coronavirus infections, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Tuesday. → https://is.gd/uVCnE3 | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: 'I felt like trash': How COVID-19 has affected body image in young people: At the beginning of 2020, Afrah Howlader made a personal goal to exercise regularly. Howlader, a 21-year-old senior studying public health at Drexel University, went to the gym often during January and February. The results were encouraging—her stamina [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/4Ead6L | 20:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Damage to vocal cords could cause long-term COVID symptoms: (HealthDay)—Nerve damage to vocal cords could be the reason why some people recovering from COVID-19 suffer mysterious bouts of shortness of breath for months after shaking off the coronavirus, researchers say. → https://is.gd/K3lWpu | 21:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: How contact tracing has evolved and ways to get through the next COVID-19 wave: As positive COVID-19 cases spike across the country, the role of contact tracing becomes even more important. Contact tracing is the process of identifying those who may have been exposed to someone with COVID-19, assessing the risk of their [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/0cKMdR | 21:11 |
| Jigsy | 20K in the UK. | 21:18 |
| Jigsy | 400 deaths. | 21:18 |
| Jigsy | Well, 397. | 21:18 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 21:18 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 1.1 million confirmed cases (1.6% of the population) and 47250 deaths (4.4% of cases) as of 14 minutes ago. 34.4 million tests were performed (3.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 21:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: https://i.imgur.com/P44JI7E.png rot = faelle_heute / wichtung_heute; wichtung_heute = (wichtung_-7d * 3 + verhaeltnis_heute)/4; verhaeltnis_heute = faelle_heute / avg[N=heute .. -6d](faelle[N]) | 21:25 |
| de-facto | heh neat, that looks pretty good | 21:28 |
| de-facto | how did you derive the wichtung? | 21:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Face masks don't lower oxygen levels: (HealthDay)—Face masks: Yes, they may not be the most pleasant item to wear, but they are not depriving people of needed oxygen, a new study confirms. → https://is.gd/c3GLV7 | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's all in the formulaabove | 21:30 |
| rpifan | lol | 21:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it plain words, it's three units (wichtung 7 days ago) plus ratio oftoday diveded by 4 | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not how this doesn't really include any average | 21:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | note* | 21:32 |
| de-facto | yes i can read that, I am just curious about the reasoning behind it | 21:33 |
| de-facto | so the verhaeltnis is the deviation from the weekly average for each day of the week i guess | 21:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the ratio of today is raw new cases of toay / 7day average | 21:34 |
| de-facto | yes | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly | 21:34 |
| de-facto | but why add 3x the wichtung of a week ago to that and divide the sum by 4? | 21:35 |
| de-facto | btw is that verhältnis for each day of the week more or less constant over time, e.g. showing always the same periodicity? | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it "recognizes" the "pattern" of last week and all weeks before ( in a 1 to 3 ratio) and compensates each day by the inverse of that pattern | 21:37 |
| de-facto | if so one could average all ratios for mondays, then for tuesdays, etc | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3 is an arbitrary factor to adjust the adaption speed of the pattern memory | 21:37 |
| de-facto | ah yes that is something like that indeed | 21:37 |
| de-facto | so you mix in the average weekly periodic deviation from the smoothed curve of the past with the current deviation from the smoothed curve by some weighting | 21:38 |
| de-facto | for each day of the week individually | 21:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Big spike seen in COVID cases among kids: (HealthDay)—COVID-19 is surging among America's children, according to leading medical groups. → https://is.gd/L7a1Ni | 21:39 |
| de-facto | ^^ BIG spike in schools? | 21:39 |
| metreo | wasn't that what we expected? | 21:40 |
| de-facto | i told you its an error to leave them open | 21:40 |
| de-facto | half of the kids are asymptomatic | 21:40 |
| LjL | half of the adults are asymptomati | 21:40 |
| LjL | or so | 21:40 |
| metreo | Biden told teachers to accept that some would get sick and die | 21:41 |
| de-facto | ok so then its no difference there, but schools are the links between households | 21:41 |
| metreo | teachers getting sick I mean from the students | 21:41 |
| de-facto | teachers are not the problem, its the mixing of households in school classes | 21:41 |
| metreo | teachers are frontline workers in the crisis, many are older | 21:42 |
| metreo | and high risk | 21:42 |
| LjL | and what Biden said about them is relevant how | 21:42 |
| metreo | they are expected to teach no matter whay | 21:43 |
| metreo | what* | 21:43 |
| LjL | not just by Biden, apparently, since he's not the one keeping schools open | 21:43 |
| de-facto | its the case in most EU countries too | 21:43 |
| de-facto | i bet they will get closed at some point when they realize that measures are insufficient to contain the spread, hence it would be better to close them now already | 21:44 |
| de-facto | its just about reducing contact rates | 21:44 |
| metreo | Ljl, sure but how many presidents/prime ministers are telling teachers to accept death? | 21:44 |
| LjL | high schools are effectively close here from now on (unless they change the decision at the last minute, it's not effective yet), but they're undecided on middle schools | 21:44 |
| de-facto | yes here too | 21:44 |
| metreo | Italians are smarter | 21:44 |
| metreo | and Germans too | 21:45 |
| LjL | metreo, well if they aren't *telling* it, they are implying it, since they're keeping schools open | 21:45 |
| metreo | okay I agree but words matter | 21:45 |
| metreo | saying it was quite shocking even though the lived experience is like you say | 21:45 |
| de-facto | i am not sure, they leave schools open here saying they will be the last to close, its how they decided their priorities, but in my opinion right now any compromise works in favor of the viral spread, so they should be closed and curfews enforced | 21:45 |
| LjL | i for one prefer to know how things stand than to be lied to even by omission, in general | 21:46 |
| LjL | curfews are not being enforced? | 21:46 |
| de-facto | there are none here | 21:46 |
| metreo | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CVg5xgi2zE | 21:46 |
| Brainstorm | metreo: From www.youtube.com: Joe Biden: Not that many teachers will die from Covid-19 when schools open. (2nd Debate: 10/22/2020) - YouTube | 21:46 |
| LjL | metreo, i really don't like mini snippets like that without context. but to me it sounds like Biden is mocking *Trump* saying "nah, not many are going to die, don't worry" (implying he thinks he's lying) | 21:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Few nursing facilities have one-day COVID-19 test turnaround: (HealthDay)—Few U.S. skilled nursing facilities (SNFs) have a COVID-19 test turnaround of less than one day, according to a research letter published online Oct. 30 in JAMA Internal Medicine. → https://is.gd/ZdIYLz | 21:48 |
| LjL | but anyway i'm not really happy with this kind of rather obvious political posts on election day | 21:48 |
| LjL | de-facto, i don't think curfew are a great idea anyway, either lockdown or don't lockdown | 21:49 |
| LjL | de-facto, curfew compress more people into less time | 21:49 |
| LjL | and i don't know why i'm not pluralizing curfew | 21:49 |
| de-facto | we need a strict lockdown, you were utterly correct with your statement that this is one shot only | 21:49 |
| LjL | de-facto, one pretty idiotic thing our government decided at some point in spring was to limit the opening times of supermarkets | 21:50 |
| LjL | why would you want the same people to shop in less time? | 21:50 |
| LjL | if some people will go after 22 when they're semi-empty, more power to them | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 21:50 |
| de-facto | yes or why not de-synchronize things like working start, opening of stores and also schools if they really do have to be open | 21:51 |
| de-facto | that would distribute traveling more evenly over time, hence reduce contact rates too | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wish supermarkets were open past 20:00 here | 21:51 |
| LjL | de-facto, that's being done here for schools, they have to start at 9 or later (they normally start around 8) | 21:51 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, a few are open until midnight here now. there aren't 24h ones yet but i guess they'll come eventually | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | here (N, Bavaria) there's *one* mini supermarket open 24/7 and another one open 6:00 to 22:00. Both at mein railway station | 21:53 |
| de-facto | its just i am alarmed about the exponential raise in ICU in use and that i somehow have the feeling that the pandemic was underestimated in every detail after the summer. actually i cant think of a single statement that overestimated the impact | 21:54 |
| de-facto | thats why i think we need the most aggressive and strict lockdown and containment measures enforced until we know they are more than enough to contain it | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least the last part is sadly true | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the overestimation misssing, that is | 21:55 |
| tinwhiskers | well, I predicted 1.5 million deaths in the US, so it looks like I may have overestimated :-/ | 21:56 |
| de-facto | because if we underestimate it again and undershoot with containment we will have a BIG problem, exponentially bigger than right now... | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I fully agree on second line | 21:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Influenza vaccination may have protective effect on COVID-19: (HealthDay)—Influenza vaccination may have a protective effect for COVID-19-positive patients, according to a brief report recently published in the Journal of the American Board of Family Medicine. → https://is.gd/44ixEw | 21:57 |
| de-facto | its just logic, we dont know the impact of our measures, so we have to aim for overshooting and then loosening containment instead of the opposite approach | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 21:58 |
| de-facto | and actually i think with our current "lockdown light" approach we can be certain NOT to overshoot, so its not enough in my opinion | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but how will you sell that to the rioting "masses" - which actually are an extremely loud bunch of only a few 10k and a maybe 5 millions who are moaning loudly about "unfair" etc | 22:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think 10 days of absolute lockdown would have been politically possible | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but they didn't have the cochones for that | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>go shopping everybody! in three days we will lockdown *everything* for 10 days<< | 22:02 |
| de-facto | the thing is it will come anyways because incidence will not go down enough | 22:02 |
| de-facto | it may be required for people to realize that though unfortunately | 22:03 |
| de-facto | like when looking at incidence again at 2020-11-16 realizing its not enough and then closing schools and do additional measures, acceptance may be there if people experience its not enough containment | 22:04 |
| de-facto | i would with they could implement more strict containment right now though | 22:04 |
| de-facto | because we really might run out of capacity, its not only a slight possibility, its a thing of certainty if R>1 cant be stopped VERY soon | 22:05 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, it seems inevitable now | 22:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from PLOS ONE: Early use of hemoadsorption in patients after out-of hospital cardiac arrest – a matched pair analysis: by Muharrem Akin, Vera Garcheva, Jan-Thorben Sieweke, Ulrike Flierl, Hannah C. Daum, Johann Bauersachs, Andreas Schäfer Background Pro- and anti-inflammatory mediators are released during and after cardiac arrest, which may be [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/jNEzGD | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 11-16 is not the most interesting date. 2020-12-01 is. Either they will tell >>it still looks terrible but we see a trend changed, so lockdown-light end and we continue with more care but otherwise as normal<< or they chose to extend and probably then tighten the lockdown even more | 22:06 |
| de-facto | if we continue with R=1.35 we will run out of resources on 2020-12-1, if we continue with R=1.2 we might make it until 2020-12-24 until we run out of resources again, and the winter is much longer than those points in time | 22:11 |
| de-facto | so we REALLY do need much more aggressive containment at any price, time for compromises is over | 22:11 |
| tinwhiskers | investing money in a lockdown seems to have a fairly quick payback period. | 22:12 |
| Arsanerit | A somewhat mysterious company has bought dozens of souvenir shops in Amsterdam in the past 8 months, investigators suspect money laundering. | 22:16 |
| Arsanerit | but the company just claims to invest when the market is, well, low | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tinwhiskers: indeed | 22:20 |
| de-facto | actually Merkel said exactly that in her last announcement, that its not health or economy its health and economy (being dependent on each others) | 22:31 |
| metreo | one long term effect is literally removing large numbers of individuals from the population | 23:00 |
| metreo | it's not clear to us how these people can be appropriately replaced | 23:00 |
| rpifan | merkel is a dummie | 23:03 |
| rpifan | she is killing ppl | 23:03 |
| rpifan | with her lockdown light | 23:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Top pandemic advisor warns of “most deadly phase” as Trump plans party → https://is.gd/e09AHb | 23:27 |
| ubLIX[m] | you have all of europe to pick out a local dummie and merkel is who you land on? | 23:31 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], for the benefit of the matrix user: he quit | 23:32 |
| ubLIX[m] | oh | 23:32 |
| ryouma | you don't have to pick the tractor vodka guy. you can pick merkel too. | 23:38 |
| ryouma | de-facto is german iirc | 23:39 |
| LjL | yeah i think rpifan too, but anyway i also interpret it just as a response to de-facto mentioning her | 23:40 |
| LjL | however one "rule" i consider to have in here is that you can discuss politics but there is no need for name calling | 23:41 |
| LjL | it's just literally not needed | 23:41 |
| ryouma | i only meant to point out something akin to the fallacy of logical privation as i could not follow :) | 23:46 |
| ryouma | (i am not asserting it's that fallacy) | 23:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +43481 cases (now 9.6 million), +493 deaths (now 237970) since 3 hours ago — United Kingdom: +18439 cases (now 1.1 million), +397 deaths (now 47250) since 16 hours ago — France: +832 deaths (now 38289) since 3 hours ago — Canada: +182 cases (now 242368), +5 deaths (now 10261) since 5 hours ago | 23:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Destructive rules only current option, says Chris Whitty: England's chief medical officer defends lockdowns as a further 397 coronavirus deaths are recorded. → https://is.gd/9ZIzHL | 23:55 |
| ubLIX[m] | i'm not up to date with german affairs. mine was merely a rhetorical expression of surprise | 23:56 |
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