| LjL | maybe there are ways that sociologists and *cough* PR people (even though i kind of detest PR) could think of | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| LjL | but i'm not one of them, not nearly clever enough, so i dunno | 00:04 |
| rpifan | theres lots we could do | 00:04 |
| rpifan | but the govt is lazy and poor | 00:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New Mexico, US: +1408 cases (now 56289), +12 deaths (now 1130) since 22 hours ago — Mayotte: +265 cases (now 4815), +1 deaths (now 46) since 5 days ago — US: +131070 cases (now 10.4 million), +631 deaths (now 244344) since a day ago | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>some people are going to read that as "pandemic over."<< pretty much anticipated effect, I hope your government is properly covering this aspect and dealing with it in public statements | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the pandemic *might* be over no earlier than 2022 | 00:17 |
| LjL | but telling people *that* is also demoralizing and can result in them dropping protection measures | 00:18 |
| LjL | it's tricky | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | simple exercise for the interested reader: calculate duration to vaccinate 70% of your people in vaccination centers - since most likely the vaccine can't get handled by your personal medical doctor | 00:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Colorado, US: +3553 cases (now 134537), +14 deaths (now 2408) since a day ago — US: +134975 cases (now 10.4 million), +677 deaths (now 244390) since a day ago | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | keep in mind a vaccine is no therapy | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just for reference: Biontex&Pfizer hope to ship 50 million this year and 650 million whole next year. *Globally* | 00:27 |
| LjL | uh, Derek Lowe wrote 1.3 billion | 00:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: Severe COVID-19 infection rare in newborns → https://is.gd/RqKce0 | 00:33 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Fr. Polynesia: +685 cases (now 10680), +10 deaths (now 49) since 2 days ago | 00:35 |
| de-facto | afaik mRNA is very efficient, e.g. small doses already have big effect, but its also unstable so it needs cold storage supply chain | 00:39 |
| de-facto | not sure how production itself scales | 00:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +1219 cases (now 268735) since an hour ago — US: +457 cases (now 10.4 million), +7 deaths (now 244399) since 16 minutes ago | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: >>1.3 billion<< one person = 2 shots | 00:57 |
| LjL | oh, right | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now, in 3 weeks, and in 4 weeks you're done | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so even optimistically, we may see no more rgan 30 million vaccinations this year in whole Europe, 20 in US | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | than* | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I anticipated the >>now we got the vaccine. So the heck WHEN will we stop to wear masks, this week or next???<< a few months ago already, and expect to hear that shit this week or next :-/ | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: on the bright side, things *will* change next spring the latest. Keep sane and take care of yourself until then, pal! :-) | 01:03 |
| LjL | that ship has sailed | 01:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +2765 cases (now 10.4 million), +14 deaths (now 244406) since 32 minutes ago | 01:06 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +4383 cases (now 10.4 million), +27 deaths (now 244419) since 47 minutes ago | 01:21 |
| LjL | California publishes updates just way too often | 01:23 |
| LjL | (also it's back to minutes because i messed up the code and deleted the last day's worth of data) | 01:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dr. Anthony Fauci reacts to Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine announcement - "It's extraordinary, it really is a big deal". → https://is.gd/j7SQ0s | 01:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +7508 cases (now 10.4 million), +32 deaths (now 244424) since an hour ago | 01:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: DECRETO-LEGGE 9 novembre 2020, n.149: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di tutela della salute, sostegnoai lavoratori e alle imprese e giustizia, connesse all'emergenzaepidemiologica da COVID-19. (20G00170) → https://is.gd/dEI7Nq | 01:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +8017 cases (now 10.4 million) since an hour ago | 01:50 |
| LjL | surprise law? | 01:51 |
| LjL | unimportant mini-law | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | %tr DECRETO-LEGGE 9 novembre 2020, n.149: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di tutela della salute, sostegnoai lavoratori e alle imprese e giustizia, connesse all'emergenzaepidemiologica da COVID-19 | 01:53 |
| Brainstorm | DocScrutinizer05, English to English: DECRETO-LEGGE 9 novembre 2020, n.149: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di tutela della salute, sostegnoai lavoratori e alle imprese e giustizia, connesse all'emergenzaepidemiologica da COVID-19 (Google) | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | %tr <it DECRETO-LEGGE 9 novembre 2020, n.149: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di tutela della salute, sostegnoai lavoratori e alle imprese e giustizia, connesse all'emergenzaepidemiologica da COVID-19 | 01:54 |
| Brainstorm | DocScrutinizer05, Italian to English: DECREE-LAW of 9 November 2020, n.149: Further urgent measures in the field of health protection, support for workers and businesses and justice, related to the covid-19 environmental emergency (MyMemory) [... want %more?] | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: surprise law? | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why surprise? | 01:55 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, just because i'm used to Gazzetta Ufficiale popping up after a pompous speech by the PM these days | 01:56 |
| LjL | but since i'm not aware of any special law being passed, i was surprised to see it. but it's just a small amendment to existing COVID laws | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it wasn't announced ahead of time? | 01:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: Novem Linguae: Novem Linguae: "Cluster 5 coronavirus infections have been reported in 7 countries as of November 9, 2020. These countries are..." + 2 citations → https://is.gd/74bzDF | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 01:57 |
| de-facto | ugh @ cluster 5 | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated: you ever noticed how utterly useless "running doubling time" turns to be later on in an epidemic? | 02:01 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers has | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((clusterfsck)) >>These countries are Denmark, Sweden, Israel, the United States, Italy, Spain, and the Netherlands<< | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed UGH | 02:03 |
| de-facto | thats a weird sentence @ wikipedia | 02:04 |
| de-facto | not all CoVs are Cluster 5, so its unclear if they mean mutations or associate the generic term "cluster 5" with minks | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Guam: +396 cases (now 5473), +5 deaths (now 90) since a day ago — France: +10315 cases (now 1.8 million) since 5 hours ago — Somaliland: +111 cases (now 1188), +1 deaths (now 37) since 14 days ago — US: +10003 cases (now 10.4 million), +56 deaths (now 244448) since an hour ago | 02:05 |
| de-facto | i want to see the sources | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: Novem Linguae: add link: add link ← Previous revision Revision as of 01:03, 10 November 2020 Line 2: Line 2: "'''Cluster 5'''" is an outbreak of a mutated variant of the [[SARS-CoV-2]] virus, which may lead to [[COVID-19]]. It was discovered in [[Northern Jutland]], [[Denmark]], and is believed to have been spread [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "6 countries find coronavirus at mink farms; fears mutation could hinder vaccine". The Times of Israel. 8 November 2020. Retrieved 9 November 2020. | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Israelis may be infected with new coronavirus strain from Denmark minks". The Jerusalem Post. 9 November 2020. Retrieved 9 November 2020. | 02:07 |
| LjL | yes | 02:07 |
| LjL | i already changed the article | 02:07 |
| LjL | editor was stupid | 02:07 |
| de-facto | here they say "Three Israelis who returned from Denmark and were confirmed as infected with the novel coronavirus may have been infected with the new strain discovered among minks in the country recently, according to KAN news." https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israelis-may-be-infected-with-new-coronavirus-strain-from-denmark-minks-648513 | 02:13 |
| de-facto | so its their suspicion only that the possibility MAY be there hence they do sequencing | 02:13 |
| LjL | i take "may have been" as "it's possible since they came from denmark" | 02:14 |
| LjL | yes they MAY do sequencing if they are smart :P | 02:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: LjL: LjL: Add quotes for exact words on mink infections in other countries (not Clsuter 5, at least not as far as we know) → https://is.gd/74bzDF | 02:16 |
| de-facto | yeah so its false alarm at least from that article until they are showing the sequences | 02:16 |
| de-facto | its good they check for it though | 02:16 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +10066 cases (now 10.4 million) since an hour ago | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's good you guys check wikipedia :-) | 02:23 |
| de-facto | LjL is omnipresent :) | 02:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw is it smart to translate a term that looks exactly same after translation? >>Danish State Serum Institute (SSI) has designated these as clusters 1–5 (Danish: cluster 1-5)<< | 02:26 |
| de-facto | huh? what do you mean by that? | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | clusters 1–5 (Danish: cluster 1-5) | 02:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe I'm blind or sth, but seems to me cluster 5 is danish AND english | 02:28 |
| de-facto | well why not? to search including the danish original term? | 02:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +10823 cases (now 10.4 million) since 2 hours ago | 02:36 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, it's because the plural in danish remains "cluster" instead of "clusters" | 02:37 |
| LjL | it's a bit of an... OCD? thing to specify | 02:37 |
| LjL | but i'm not sure i want to get into an edit war over *that* :P | 02:37 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Live updates: Fauci calls Pfizer vaccine results ‘extraordinary’ as U.S. cases approach 10 million (10017 votes) | https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/09/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/ | https://redd.it/jr1pg9 | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: I'd not expect plural in a "name" even in english. In danish those are clearly names and an enumeration of named items shouldn't use plural for the name. My 2 cent | 02:42 |
| LjL | well i don't know in danish, but in english "clusters 1-5" is correct while "cluster 1-5" would be questionable | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cluster-1 to cluster-5 would be absolutely correct in my book | 02:43 |
| LjL | with no hyphen in english, but yeah you could write that | 02:44 |
| LjL | anyway i've already corrected the big factual error in that article today, i'm going to leave the linguistic quibbles alone :P | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a mix up of use of a generic noun "cluster, plural clusters" and an name cluster-1 ... cluster-5 | 02:45 |
| LjL | plus "cluster 1-5" is a direct quote from the source, which is a source in danish | 02:45 |
| LjL | it's not a mix up | 02:45 |
| LjL | it's perfectly correct english | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I stumbled over it, maybe it's my poor english comprehension | 02:46 |
| LjL | "Xs n1 to n2" is a standard English construct. it doesn't need to make "logical" sense, languages don't work like that | 02:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +10946 cases (now 10.4 million) since 2 hours ago | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the catch is this is suggesting that "Cluster 5" was derived from the danish plural form of english "clusters" which it isn't. There's simply no reason to explain aka "translate english >>clusters number1 to number5<< to danish >>cluster[pl.] #1-#5 << since the name got derived from the singular of course | 02:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Brazil suspends trials of China’s Sinovac COVID-19 vaccine due to ‘adverse effect’ → https://is.gd/pzT5OO | 02:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): The coronavirus pandemic ‘is about to explode’ before therapeutic counterattack, Dr. Scott Gottlieb says → https://is.gd/D5fLn2 | 03:03 |
| de-facto | oh someone did exponentials ^^ | 03:03 |
| LjL | oh another trial suspension | 03:04 |
| de-facto | sinuvac is another attenuated original right? | 03:05 |
| LjL | inactivated | 03:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chinese? | 03:07 |
| de-facto | "Brazil’s health regulator Anvisa said on Monday it had suspended clinical trials for China’s Sinovac coronavirus vaccine, due to a “severe adverse effect” that took place on Oct. 29." | 03:07 |
| de-facto | "Anvisa did not provide more details, such as whether the incident took place in Brazil – where trials are being conducted – or in another country." | 03:07 |
| de-facto | "It also did not say why news of the October event was being communicated only now." | 03:07 |
| de-facto | oh right of course inactivated | 03:07 |
| de-facto | https://covidvax.org/covid19-vaccine/Sinovac/Inactivated-alum-Sinovac-Instituto-Butatan | 03:08 |
| tinwhiskers | I think attenuated is just another word for inactivated? | 03:08 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, no | 03:08 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah. Ok | 03:08 |
| de-facto | nope attenuated is "functional" but weakened beyond a point that it is not dangerous anymore | 03:08 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, attenuated can still replicate, just supposedly not enough for a full-blown infection or being contagious | 03:08 |
| tinwhiskers | Ok | 03:09 |
| de-facto | inactivated is non-functional in a sense of replication afaik | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>...communicated only now<< seems pretty consistent for chinese stuff | 03:09 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, they sometimes go wrong. today, the leading cause of polio is the attenuated polio vaccine | 03:09 |
| de-facto | my bad, i am a bit tired already, good catch LjL | 03:09 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, it was up to Brazil to communicate it i think... | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh | 03:09 |
| LjL | the vaccine is Chinese but in Brazil the oversight is by the Brazilian agencies | 03:10 |
| de-facto | do they use adjuvants in those inactivated vaccines? | 03:11 |
| de-facto | Dynavax’s CpG 1018,? | 03:12 |
| LjL | i don't know | 03:14 |
| LjL | it's a bit annoying how covidvax doesn't list the vaccine *name* and the vaccine *type* separately... | 03:14 |
| LjL | so if it has a unique name, they use, otherwise the "name" may just be "Inactivated" | 03:14 |
| LjL | de-facto, it says "Inactivated + alum" for Sinovac so that looks like an adjuvant to me i guess | 03:15 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2020/08/17/Gates-Foundation-gives-Dynavax-COVID-19-grant-to-scale-up-adjuvant-production | 03:15 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.biopharma-reporter.com: Gates Foundation gives Dynavax COVID-19 grant to scale up adjuvant production | 03:15 |
| de-facto | not sure if thats contained in there though | 03:16 |
| LjL | "Several insoluble aluminium salts are used as adjuvants in human and animal vaccines, but the term ‘alum’ only applies to aluminium potassium sulphate" (from a random paper) | 03:16 |
| MikeJoel | !cases US | 03:16 |
| CovBot | In United States there have been a total of 10,421,956 cases as of 2020-11-10 01:58:00 UTC. Of these 3,624,898 (34.8%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 6,552,610 (62.9%) have definitely recovered and 244,448 (2.3%) have died. | 03:16 |
| LjL | de-facto, it looks like there are two Sinovac vaccines. really just one, but in Brazil (and China?) the adjuvant is alum, while in the US they have this partnership so the adjuvant is called CpG 1018 | 03:17 |
| de-facto | so alum in Brazil trial then? | 03:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +15353 cases (now 1.8 million) since 7 hours ago — Netherlands: +1515 cases (now 416947), +25 deaths (now 8068) since 11 hours ago — Canada: +1704 cases (now 269220), +12 deaths (now 10579) since 3 hours ago | 03:20 |
| LjL | de-facto, i think so | 03:21 |
| LjL | de-facto, i found another list https://ronreiter.github.io/covid-19-vaccine-tracker/ with "source" https://github.com/ronreiter/covid-19-vaccine-tracker (really a spreadsheet) | 03:21 |
| LjL | i kinda want to grab covidvax data and use it in Brainstorm but scraping is boooooring | 03:22 |
| MikeJoel | hmm 244,448 in 10 months. 2018-2019 (6 months) Flu season - 176,590 deaths due to Flu and Pneumonia (a flu complication). That would mean about 29,431 deaths per month... compared to covid at 24 deaths per month. And we are supposed to be terrified of covid? odd | 03:22 |
| LjL | are you even in good faith | 03:23 |
| MikeJoel | is my math wrong? | 03:23 |
| MikeJoel | oh sorry - 24,444 deaths a month - thought it sounded odd... still a bit lower | 03:24 |
| LjL | and also | 03:24 |
| LjL | "CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season." | 03:24 |
| MikeJoel | strange the cdc is where these numbers come from | 03:25 |
| MikeJoel | 176,590 | 03:25 |
| LjL | well maybe they are worldwide? | 03:26 |
| MikeJoel | also if you consider 244,448 - 176,590 = 67,858 yet it covid 4 more months | 03:26 |
| LjL | sorry what are you comparing? i don't follow | 03:28 |
| MikeJoel | hmm? 176,590 deaths in the entire world? I don't think so | 03:28 |
| LjL | look i don't know which CDC you took that number from but i took it from the American CDC, namely here: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html | 03:28 |
| LjL | so you may want to talk to the other CDC | 03:28 |
| LjL | also, if your number includes pneumonia for *any* reason (which isn't clear from your description), then it's silly: pneumonia can be a flu complication but it can also arise for a number of other reasons that can't logically be summed up together | 03:29 |
| MikeJoel | j/s | 03:30 |
| LjL | but also these non-comparable numbers are a distraction. the problem with COVID is a much higher proportion of patients need to end up in hospital to survive decently, *and* the spikes are being much worse than flu | 03:30 |
| MikeJoel | covid isn't just someone dying from being sick with covid - it includes a lot more than that | 03:30 |
| LjL | sure, teach us | 03:31 |
| MikeJoel | hmm? In America it is like 99% survival if your below like 70 | 03:31 |
| LjL | you're* | 03:31 |
| MikeJoel | or 60 | 03:31 |
| MikeJoel | whatever | 03:31 |
| LjL | and also it's good that you care only about those who are less than 60 "or whatever" | 03:31 |
| LjL | you are quieted for being a scummy person | 03:31 |
| LjL | i'll unquiet you later if you want to stay but i'd prefer if you didn't | 03:31 |
| LjL | anyway the channel topic has information on the difference between COVID and influenza which you can comment on, if you take the time to read it instead of joining, calling the bot immediately, then bringing up questionable numbers that are not comparable with other numbers | 03:34 |
| LjL | stop staring everyone, yes i'm nervous | 03:42 |
| tinwhiskers | LjL: he failed to consider a whole bunch of things, like the extraordinary measures we've taken to get it as low as it is as well. | 03:44 |
| tinwhiskers | no point in catering to that bullshit. | 03:44 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.23.20160895v7 log10(IFR) = -3.27 + 0.0524 * age = Exp[ Log[2] age / 5.75] / 1682 | 03:44 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, to be fair, he was focusing on the US, where "extraordinary measures" were... *cough*arguably taken | 03:44 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Assessing the Age Specificity of Infection Fatality Rates for COVID-19: Systematic Review, Meta-Analysis, and Public Policy Implications | medRxiv | 03:44 |
| tinwhiskers | oh. err. yeah... even there | 03:45 |
| tinwhiskers | half the people there are wearing masks and being careful, which is not something they've done before with flu. | 03:45 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, but still he was coming up with a number for flu that i really don't know where he got. if that really is flu + any pneumonia, then why don't we also count cancer and heart attack deaths, and say "hey they're more than COVID, so why do we worry about COVID?" | 03:45 |
| LjL | and at first he made the "innocent mistake" of saying 24 deaths per month instead of 24444 deaths per month | 03:46 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah. self-deluded, ignorant or plain dishonest (I'm guessing the latter). | 03:46 |
| LjL | i'd almost believe it's a genuine mistake if my logs didn't have an AKICK for him in ##coronavirus dating back from March | 03:46 |
| tinwhiskers | clearly open to learning | 03:46 |
| de-facto | With "log10(IFR) = -3.27 + 0.0524 * age" from above paper hence IFR(age) = 100% Exp[ Log[2] age / 5.75] / 1682 it gives for age = {60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90} the IFR = {0.82%, 1.50%, 2.75%, 5.02%, 9.17%, 16.76, 30.61%} | 03:53 |
| de-facto | HenceIFR[84.96 years] = 16.6% or Russian roulette | 03:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The trial of Chinese Covid-19 vaccine Coronavac has been halted by Brazil, citing a serious adverse event. China has already given the vaccine to people → https://is.gd/Q72nx5 | 04:17 |
| LjL | so is it called Sinovac or Coronavac | 04:27 |
| LjL | HALT THE TRIAL! THE NAME IS UNCLEAR! | 04:27 |
| LjL | %cases florida | 04:33 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: In Florida, US, there have been 847821 confirmed cases (4.2% of the population) and 17179 deaths (2.0% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 4.1 million tests were performed (20.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data. | 04:33 |
| LjL | 4.2% wow | 04:33 |
| LjL | but soon that will be nothing much compared to europe :( | 04:33 |
| LjL | and 20% tests positive so likely many more cases | 04:34 |
| ryouma | a | 05:00 |
| Skunny | b | 05:00 |
| de-facto | c | 05:02 |
| de-facto | %title https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoronaVac | 05:02 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From en.wikipedia.org: CoronaVac - Wikipedia | 05:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New coronavirus lockdown in Greece requires people to text authorities before leaving home → https://is.gd/1jUNS1 | 05:03 |
| MikeJoel | wondering who the freenode op is in here? | 05:03 |
| the-wes | is there some reason to suspect there is one? | 05:04 |
| MikeJoel | will the freenode phsyOps please stand up? | 05:04 |
| MikeJoel | they are everywhere from what i see | 05:04 |
| MikeJoel | Fuchs is one | 05:05 |
| the-wes | tomaw is one | 05:05 |
| cmpx[m] | <LjL "4.2% wow"> I wouldn't trust Florida numbers, they are likely higher than reported. | 05:06 |
| LjL | yeah, okay, but that's already high to begin with | 05:06 |
| LjL | MikeJoel, freenode staff don't manage this channel, channel ops do. i'm a channel op. hi. | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, de-facto: I added R_eff based on foldedphase to the long term chart in http://reisenweber.net/et_al/covid/covid19_statistics.htm | 05:07 |
| MikeJoel | LjL: yes, but it turns out freenode has people going around joining channels and spying on what they talk about. | 05:07 |
| LjL | that's not the way i would put it | 05:07 |
| MikeJoel | if they don't like it they warn - then close | 05:07 |
| cmpx[m] | I'm just saying, they are deniers, and have been for some time. I would guess that they are one of if not the worst of the US states, | 05:07 |
| LjL | but anyway i'm sure they adore being highlighted randomly | 05:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MikeJoel: huh? | 05:09 |
| jess | where's my tracking device | 05:10 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, neat, i wonder how that foldedphase behaves for real peaks, e.g. around the Tönnies peak | 05:10 |
| LjL | jess, where's your freenode staff clo- oh, okay. | 05:10 |
| jess | rekt | 05:10 |
| de-facto | because it should target periodicity more than peaks | 05:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: I forgot the date. just look it up then check that date in first chart? | 05:11 |
| the-wes | if I was an IRCop, step 1 would be to disable notification on mentions | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: ^^^ | 05:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: actually you did wonder about that a few days ago already (I did too) that's why I added it to first chart | 05:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: G20 countries still backing fossil fuels through COVID-19 response → https://is.gd/Lyg7MF | 05:12 |
| de-facto | maybe around 2020-06-18 or such? | 05:13 |
| jess | if i was an ircop, i'd use it to find people to hug | 05:13 |
| LjL | if i was an ircop, i'd have "freenode staff" on highlight | 05:13 |
| de-facto | wow how tiny it looks already in comparison to the recent huge peak | 05:13 |
| LjL | but since i'm just LjL, i'll slap everyone who says "if i was" instead of "if i were" | 05:14 |
| ketas | jess: missing a hug? | 05:14 |
| de-facto | i really hope Reff is going down for real and not only due to changing testing strategy or such | 05:14 |
| LjL | that thing about Greeks being required to send an SMS to leave home weirded me out a bit, but then towards the end of the article it says they can carry a form for the same purpose if they can't (or won't?) text, so i guess it's just like in Italy except with texting being a potentially easier option | 05:15 |
| jess | ketas: always! | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RKI claimed a 0.7some a few days ago. Though their R is quite jerky, it seems to support my observed trend | 05:16 |
| ketas | constant lack of human contact | 05:16 |
| MikeJoel | rekk is one? | 05:17 |
| tinwhiskers | MikeJoel: you're waaay off topic fuming about another channel. Not here please. | 05:17 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, the problem is that testing cap is the current limit so cases will drop automatically | 05:18 |
| MikeJoel | another channel? | 05:18 |
| ketas | ##hugs | 05:18 |
| tinwhiskers | MikeJoel: drop it. It's not on topic for this channel. | 05:19 |
| jess | i can help you with that | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: I'm absolutely sure RKI takes this into account for their R calculations | 05:19 |
| jess | if you join #freenode and type /who freenode/staff/* | 05:19 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, how would they take it into account? tests not done cant contribute | 05:19 |
| de-facto | they try to change guidelines to better targeting to raise the positivity quote | 05:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: maybe they know how many tests were not done, for example? | 05:20 |
| de-facto | well how would they know that? and how to know how many of those would have turned out positive? | 05:20 |
| de-facto | i mean Reff > 1 would require exponential increase in detected positive tested cases, yet if no tests can be offered to all those groups that were tested before, the tested incidence would drop automatically | 05:22 |
| de-facto | so its unclear if its a real decline in incidence or just in test cap | 05:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw while labs are at limit, they still prioritize tests so the type of test done months ago already ist still always gettzing processed. What's falling off end of the board are the voluntary tests by travelers etc | 05:22 |
| LjL | today in Italy the percentage of positive tests went down compared to yesterday, but the percentage of positive *people* tested went *up* | 05:25 |
| de-facto | i wonder the same for the other EU countries that had a recent drop in detected cases | 05:25 |
| de-facto | well Germany did not had a drop yet unlike some others | 05:25 |
| LjL | so i guess despite it being a day-of-not-many-tests, unlike other times (every Monday really), this time they re-tested a lot of people that had been previously tested | 05:25 |
| LjL | i wouldn't say italy has had a drop, yesterday or the day before we had our maximum | 05:25 |
| LjL | i would say the growth might not be lower than exponential, without enough days to make that a certainty yet | 05:26 |
| LjL | might now* | 05:26 |
| LjL | god i hate that i mix up "now" and "not" so easily and they can almost always reverse the meaning of a sentence entirely | 05:26 |
| de-facto | http://metrics.covid19-analysis.org/ namely Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium, Czech Rep, Slovakia, Slovenia, Iceland | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or would you prefer that ~ ? ;-D | 05:29 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05, i have a ¬ that's better! | 05:29 |
| LjL | i had to fumble a bit with AltGr to find it again | 05:29 |
| de-facto | ¡sǝᴉ⅂ ʇsnɾ sǝᴉ⅂ | 05:53 |
| LjL | good thing my computer is actually a tablet so i can turn it around | 05:54 |
| tinwhiskers | surface? | 05:54 |
| LjL | ew no, just some Asus thing | 05:55 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. ok :-) | 05:55 |
| LjL | T302CA, probably the least known computer model ever | 05:55 |
| ketas | everyone likes 1m2 sized tablets | 05:55 |
| LjL | it has a real keyboard, and a big battery in it too, just, it's an Asus keyboard, which means it SUCKS | 05:55 |
| ketas | transformer? | 05:56 |
| tinwhiskers | I *loooove* my surfacebook | 05:56 |
| LjL | ketas, from that line, yes | 05:57 |
| LjL | magnetically attached detachable keyboard+touchpad+battery+USB dock | 05:57 |
| LjL | honestly i almost never detach it except for cleaning it | 05:57 |
| tinwhiskers | sounds interesting | 05:57 |
| tinwhiskers | Mine is never attached to the keyboard | 05:57 |
| ketas | remember those devices where phone goes into screen? | 05:58 |
| LjL | using it as a tablet is just not something i end up doing, probably not helped by GNOME looking like a touch interface but feeling a lot NOT like one | 05:58 |
| ketas | and it attaches to kbd | 05:58 |
| LjL | "convergence", yes | 05:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Coronavirus doctor's diary: 'We are first-hand witnesses of this devastation' → https://is.gd/mDTEUr | 05:58 |
| tinwhiskers | I use a BT mechanical keyboard and mouse and just have the screen as a floating screen on an arm | 05:58 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, are you a circus juggler | 05:58 |
| ketas | ah, padfone | 05:59 |
| LjL | my oldschool computer tower is busy running Brainstorm | 05:59 |
| tinwhiskers | the arm it's on swings around between my bed and my chair | 05:59 |
| tinwhiskers | de-facto: that's what I used to do back home but I needed something a bit more minimal for here. | 06:01 |
| de-facto | yeah understandable it just works too well for now, yet i did not got used to the luxury of having it portable because i never owned a laptop | 06:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Iran deprived of 5 million flu vaccine doses this year due to US sanctions – deputy health minister → https://is.gd/3RPDs0 | 06:08 |
| de-facto | actually id like to run gnome on a surface or such if i bought a portable device | 06:09 |
| tinwhiskers | at the time I got the surface linux did not support it at all well so I switched back windows after about 15 years of linux, but I expect that has changed by now. | 06:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Seven-day-a-week clinics for vaccine proposed: Doctors' leaders say they "stand ready" to start providing a vaccine for up to 12 hours every day. → https://is.gd/l6iO1D | 06:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Mayotte, France: +265 cases (now 4815), +1 deaths (now 46) since 4 days ago — Saskatchewan, Canada: +190 cases (now 4087), +1 deaths (now 29) since a day ago — Germany: +174 cases (now 689146) since 8 hours ago — US: +11016 cases (now 10.4 million), +57 deaths (now 244449) since 6 hours ago | 07:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RKI sleeps :-/ | 07:07 |
| de-facto | RKI: Germany infections +15332 (687200 total), fatalities +154 (11506 total) | 07:15 |
| de-facto | unless they are still updating? | 07:15 |
| de-facto | no warning anymore about updaing in process or such | 07:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Andalusia, Spain: +12209 cases (now 173357), +104 deaths (now 2885) since 2 days ago — Pais Vasco, Spain: +5025 cases (now 78589), +7 deaths (now 2155) since 2 days ago — Murcia, Spain: +3124 cases (now 44511), +14 deaths (now 403) since 2 days ago — C. Valenciana, Spain: +3037 cases (now 73151), +21 deaths (now 1907) since 2 days ago | 07:20 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, do you know the first time of day where the csv fetch is safely complete from RKI? | 07:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually 0900 | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the dashboard updates 0000 | 07:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | except last night | 07:21 |
| de-facto | nope actually the dashboard displays a popup warning that its old data from 0000 on until somewhere in the morning, e.g. 0700 or such? | 07:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 07:22 |
| de-facto | before it displays the old data from previous day with warning, after it displays the new data without warning | 07:22 |
| de-facto | but sometimes it still seems to change in the morning, even without warning popup | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://i.imgur.com/wbp6WQZ.png | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't see any warning | 07:24 |
| de-facto | yeah now it does not show that warning anymore, so probably up to date | 07:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just the timestamplower left corner | 07:25 |
| de-facto | its a white popup in the middle of the page saying something like waring its old data still | 07:25 |
| de-facto | try loading at 0010 or such | 07:25 |
| de-facto | then you will see the old day and the warning | 07:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah yes, *sometimes* that pops up some time in the night, between 0000 and maybe 0400 I seen that | 07:26 |
| de-facto | yeah it varies | 07:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | today they don't show any new data, neither a warning | 07:26 |
| de-facto | is that from yesterday still? | 07:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 07:27 |
| de-facto | meh | 07:27 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: North Dakota hospitals at 100% capacity, Governor announces COVID-positive nurses can continue to work (10437 votes) | https://www.inforum.com/newsmd/coronavirus/6753876-With-North-Dakota-hospitals-at-100-capacity-Burgum-announces-COVID-positive-nurses-can-stay-at-work | https://redd.it/jrc8sg | 07:27 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, hmm i got an old tab in my smartphone open showing update dates of 2020-11-09 with +13363 and +63 | 07:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait! now it's from today and I didn't notice :-/ | 07:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my mistake, sorry | 07:29 |
| de-facto | i think its updated | 07:29 |
| de-facto | yet sometimes the numbers increased a little bit even after no warning was shown | 07:30 |
| de-facto | so maybe sometimes they do some patching or such? nor sure | 07:30 |
| Brainstorm | New preprint: Optimal test-assisted quarantine strategies for COVID-19 by Bo Peng et al, published on 2020-11-09 at https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.11.06.20222398 [... want %more?] | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway my "cronjob" (handmade) runs at 10:00 in the morning, since in rare cases 09:00 was too early | 07:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the csx on that data hoster is laaaaaate | 07:31 |
| de-facto | yeah i have my systemd timer also set at 10:00+random*30min | 07:31 |
| de-facto | and the download is a LOT faster when using gzip content encoding | 07:32 |
| de-facto | id reduces it by 30x or such | 07:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while ./update_server.sh; do echo "kill -s CONT $$"|at "10:00"; date; suspend; done #;-D | 07:32 |
| de-facto | curl --silent --compressed --url "https://www.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/f10774f1c63e40168479a1feb6c7ca74/data" --output "covid-19-germany.csv" | 07:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't look like cron ;-) | 07:35 |
| de-facto | ah i dont use cron | 07:35 |
| de-facto | i prefer systemd timers | 07:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | me neither, I use at | 07:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | systemd gives me the disease | 07:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OT here | 07:36 |
| de-facto | ok that --compressed reduces download time by 13x but still its quite an effect | 07:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw 15332 today, 15352 (+20) last tuesday | 07:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | toldya we're at R=1 :-D | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did I? | 07:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, actually we're already <1 as it maybe climbed a few days from last Tuesday, then dropped again | 07:43 |
| de-facto | I very much would hope so, yet i am convinced when daily new hospitalizations become a constant or declining series | 07:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait another 2 weeks and you'll see that | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well maybe just 1 week | 07:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recall some ISU doc said it was 10 days | 07:47 |
| de-facto | yes doubling 10 days | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ICU* | 07:47 |
| de-facto | ah delay yeah 10-14 days | 07:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they now are about to finsih a *simulation model* for predicting that number 10 to 14 days into the future - they worked on that for months, I really wonder what the heck is so complicated in it | 07:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RKI and some university | 07:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *NOW*! | 07:51 |
| de-facto | oh btw the promised graph from Netherlands from the source: https://www.rivm.nl/documenten/wekelijkse-update-epidemiologische-situatie-covid-19-in-nederland https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-11/COVID-19_WebSite_rapport_wekelijks_20201103_1216.pdf (page 29) | 07:56 |
| de-facto | %title https://imgur.com/a/S5xoa5d https://i.imgur.com/qRqpLhC.png | 07:56 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19 Netherlands: TESTS, CASES, POSITIVITY - Album on Imgur | 07:56 |
| de-facto | the last week is incomplete data | 07:56 |
| de-facto | "De gegevens van week 44 zijn nog niet volledig" | 07:57 |
| de-facto | %tr <nl De gegevens van week 44 zijn nog niet volledig | 07:57 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, Dutch to English: The data for week 44 is not yet complete (MyMemory) — Week 44 data is not yet complete (Google) | 07:57 |
| de-facto | hmm week 44 would be the last of October | 08:00 |
| de-facto | that pretty old data in that report table there | 08:00 |
| de-facto | so no wonder there is no decline visible | 08:00 |
| de-facto | meh | 08:00 |
| de-facto | the report is from 2020-11-03 so maybe we get a new one today? | 08:02 |
| de-facto | %tell de-facto check for update on https://www.rivm.nl/documenten/wekelijkse-update-epidemiologische-situatie-covid-19-in-nederland | 08:04 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, I'll pass de-facto your message when they are around. | 08:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Georgia: +2970 cases (now 63650), +22 deaths (now 521) since a day ago | 08:06 |
| Atque | Anyone got 8,000,000,000 doses of a COVID-19 vaccine yet? | 08:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: German frozen pork prompts new coronavirus case in China → https://is.gd/mf0j2q | 08:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh, I thought Brainstorm was so cute to check for updates on a website and tell you if it finds any | 08:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | took a while to realize it was a plain ~tell command | 08:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Coming months will be 'very rough,' U.S. doctor says despite good news on Covid-19 vaccine: It will take time before a coronavirus vaccine is available to the public and the months between now and then will be difficult, said epidemiologist Syra Madad. → https://is.gd/cUmxyc | 09:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: US allows 1st emergency use of a COVID-19 antibody drug: U.S. health officials have allowed emergency use of the first antibody drug to help the immune system fight COVID-19, an experimental approach against the virus that has killed more than 238,000 Americans. → https://is.gd/kZNeaM | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: As virus spikes, Europe runs low on ICU beds, hospital staff: In Italy lines of ambulances park outside hospitals awaiting beds, and in France the government coronavirus tracking app prominently displays the intensive care capacity taken up by COVID-19 patients: 92.5% and rising. In the ICU in Barcelona, there is no end in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QajdIc | 10:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: How might a mask mandate play out? Look to the battle over seat belt laws: Like masks during the Covid-19 pandemic, the fight for seat belt laws was met with misinformation and pushback around personal freedom. → https://is.gd/SyAJTV | 10:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: First Opinion: Opinion: The pandemic is accelerating transformation agendas in the clinical research industry → https://is.gd/fW3eWC | 10:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +635 cases (now 689607), +3 deaths (now 11660) since 12 hours ago | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: UK PM cautiously welcomes ‘loud toot’ of vaccine bugle → https://is.gd/AEczBo | 12:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +5980 cases (now 235202), +28 deaths (now 2930) since 11 hours ago | 12:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +35 deaths (now 2937) since 12 hours ago | 12:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from PubMed: Can BCG vaccine protect against COVID-19 via trained immunity and tolerogenesis?: As the number of infections and mortalities from the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic continues to rise, the development of an effective therapy against COVID-19 becomes ever more urgent. A few reports showing a positive correlation between BCG vaccination and reduced [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/LWdkcD | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +2171 cases (now 691143), +22 deaths (now 11679) since 13 hours ago | 12:51 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belarus: +1038 cases (now 108300), +5 deaths (now 1016) since a day ago — Switzerland: +41 deaths (now 2943) since 12 hours ago | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: 91.82.128.254: /* Name */Explain the mutation codes.: Name: Explain the mutation codes. ← Previous revision Revision as of 12:02, 10 November 2020 Line 7: Line 7: == Name == == Name == − In Denmark there have been five clusters of mink variants of SARS-CoV-2; the Danish [[Statens Serum Institut|State Serum [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF | 13:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: GPs to get {pound}12.58 per dose to deliver vaccine from December: The NHS has published an agreement to enable general practices to start delivering a covid-19 vaccine from as early as next month.A new directed enhanced service (DES), published 10 November,12 says... → https://is.gd/HKpoPq | 13:47 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +57 deaths (now 2959) since 13 hours ago | 13:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: 86.52.69.254: /* Timeline */: Timeline ← Previous revision Revision as of 12:53, 10 November 2020 Line 16: Line 16: {{cite web|author=Grove Krause, Tyra|title=Mutationer i minkvirus|url=https://www.ssi.dk/aktuelt/nyheder/2020/mutationer-i-minkvirus|accessdate=6 November 2020|publisher=Statens Serum [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF | 13:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +14362 cases (now 10.4 million), +78 deaths (now 244470) since 13 hours ago | 14:06 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Lilly's neutralizing antibody bamlanivimab (LY-CoV555) receives FDA emergency use authorization for the treatment of recently diagnosed COVID-19 (80 votes) | https://investor.lilly.com/news-releases/news-release-details/lillys-neutralizing-antibody-bamlanivimab-ly-cov555-receives-fda | https://redd.it/jrbdde | 14:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: China says it is providing convenience to stranded Indian ship under COVID-19 limits → https://is.gd/7F2g8H | 14:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Sweden: +15779 cases (now 162240), +35 deaths (now 6057) since 4 days ago | 14:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: 90% efficacy for Pfizer's COVID-19 mRNA vaccine is striking, but we need to wait for the full data: German biotech company BioNTech and US pharmaceutical Pfizer announced on Monday promising early results from their phase 3 clinical trial for a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. → https://is.gd/HoQH4w | 14:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +4498 cases (now 693470), +43 deaths (now 11700) since 15 hours ago | 14:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Destination of the week: World gets its first cruise ship with COVID-19 testing lab → https://is.gd/gqyN1z | 14:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +66 deaths (now 2968) since 14 hours ago | 14:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Post - November 10 | Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions → https://is.gd/xAeNIL | 15:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +16072 cases (now 10.4 million), +114 deaths (now 244506) since 14 hours ago — Germany: +5485 cases (now 694457), +59 deaths (now 11716) since 16 hours ago | 15:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: FDA OKs Lilly drug for Covid-19; most Americans would get a Covid-19 shot if infection risk drops by half → https://is.gd/ISZNSo | 15:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +17507 cases (now 10.4 million), +127 deaths (now 244519) since 15 hours ago | 15:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 vaccine: Reliable communications needed to beat 'infodemic' of misinformation: A coordinated program to combat anti-vaxx misinformation and encourage confidence in a COVID-19 vaccine is essential if a take-up target of eight in ten people in the UK is to be achieved, according Oxford Professor Melinda Mills, author of [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/m8Vidd | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +6444 cases (now 695416), +70 deaths (now 11727) since 16 hours ago | 15:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +17593 cases (now 10.4 million), +129 deaths (now 244521) since 15 hours ago | 16:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Not wanting to be outdone by Pfizer, Putin says Russia is about to register a third Covid vaccine → https://is.gd/iJyL3Q | 16:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Scabies: The neglected tropical disease no one wants to talk about: Some diseases are more likely to enter public conversation than others. COVID-19 has dominated the public discourse in 2020, while cancer and AIDS are high-profile diseases that attract significant scientific and media attention. You can safely discuss these [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/driJMA | 16:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +18931 cases (now 10.4 million), +141 deaths (now 244533) since 15 hours ago — Germany: +7014 cases (now 695986), +79 deaths (now 11736) since 17 hours ago | 16:21 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Detailed 3D model of SARS-CoV-2 made by KAUST (81 votes) | https://discovery.kaust.edu.sa/en/article/991/peering-under-the-%22hood%22-of-sars-cov-2 | https://redd.it/jrkn0z | 16:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +22346 cases (now 10.4 million), +197 deaths (now 244589) since 16 hours ago — Netherlands: +3980 cases (now 419412), +98 deaths (now 8141) since a day ago | 16:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +8567 cases (now 697539), +91 deaths (now 11748) since 17 hours ago — Canada: +2607 cases (now 270123) since 17 hours ago — US: +22355 cases (now 10.4 million) since 16 hours ago | 16:50 |
| LeoBodnar | enzo | 16:56 |
| LeoBodnar | oh hello wrong window | 16:57 |
| jacklsw | lol enzo who? | 16:57 |
| jacklsw | ferrari? | 16:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Restaurants and gyms were spring ‘superspreader’ sites. Occupancy limits could control spread, new study predicts: Sharply limiting the occupancy of restaurants, gyms, cafes, hotels, and houses of worship could control the raging pandemic without resorting to lockdowns, a new study suggests. → https://is.gd/BFi1Hc | 17:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +23288 cases (now 10.4 million), +234 deaths (now 244626) since 16 hours ago | 17:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Destination of the week: Family ‘mistakenly’ made to fly back home despite presenting negative COVID-19 test report in Hawaii → https://is.gd/AYJatM | 17:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: 194.255.34.169: /* Timeline */ full name of SSI added: Timeline: full name of SSI added ← Previous revision Revision as of 16:22, 10 November 2020 Line 13: Line 13: == Timeline == == Timeline == − On 4 November 2020, Prime Minister of Denmark [[Mette Frederiksen]] stated that a mutated coronavirus was being [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF | 17:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Vermont, US: +47 cases (now 2462) since a day ago — US: +23335 cases (now 10.4 million) since 17 hours ago | 17:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: China's Sinovac vaccine trial halted in Brazil: The head of the institute conducting the trials says there was a death but not caused by the vaccine. → https://is.gd/bePXs9 | 17:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +26769 cases (now 10.4 million), +262 deaths (now 244654) since 17 hours ago | 17:51 |
| LjL | %title https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanpsy/PIIS2215-0366(20)30462-4.pdf since the article from Reuters doesn't link to the study, as usual | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, the URL could not be loaded | 18:00 |
| LjL | and the lancet doesn't like my bot i guess | 18:00 |
| LjL | "Bidirectional associations between COVID-19 and psychiatric disorder: retrospective cohort studies of 62354 COVID-19 cases in the USA" | 18:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Algeria: +753 cases (now 63446), +15 deaths (now 2077) since a day ago — Italy: +35090 cases (now 995463), +580 deaths (now 42330) since a day ago — US: +27980 cases (now 10.4 million), +329 deaths (now 244721) since 17 hours ago — Canada: +3770 cases (now 271286), +50 deaths (now 10617) since 18 hours ago | 18:05 |
| LjL | ugh | 18:05 |
| LjL | de-facto, Italy's deaths ↑ | 18:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Telemedicine: don’t discount the value of in-person GP clinics to the medical trainee: The move towards telemedical consultation in light of the covid-19 pandemic is driving innovation in general practice at pace. Omitted from consideration in Stokel-Walker’s otherwise excellent... → https://is.gd/XetKKJ | 18:09 |
| rpifan | true | 18:10 |
| rpifan | but only if the dr is not a german | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just a heads up: the mink issue is most likely a non-issue, i.e. irrelevant for human covid | 18:27 |
| bin_bash | DocScrutinizer05: source? | 18:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Drosten podcast referring a paper of today from danish(?) scientists | 18:30 |
| bin_bash | please link the paper | 18:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +37702 cases (now 10.4 million), +419 deaths (now 244811) since 18 hours ago | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm listening to the podcast right now. As soon as the transscript gets available and provides a link, I will share it | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bottom line: of the 4 mutations in cluster5 only one is relevant and this one is a convergent (>= 4 times already) recurring adaption to mink host and causes the virus to replicate *less* in humans. The allegedly inferior susceptibility to antibodies is arguable aka marginal / few weak data | 18:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +10030 cases (now 699002), +99 deaths (now 11756) since 19 hours ago | 18:50 |
| rpifan | r we having a harder lockdwon or not | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bottom line of bottom line: vaccination and antibody *cocktails* are most likely NOT affected at all by cluster5 | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and cluster5 is in no way more dangerous per se | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | disclaimer: as I understand it!!! | 18:55 |
| chico | Seems like cluster 5 mutates faster? | 18:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Cruise bookings rise on coronavirus vaccine news, Norwegian Cruise Line CEO says: "Bookings, the last 24 hours, yesterday, were pretty good ... and that, I think, is attributable to the vaccine news," said Norwegian CEO Frank Del Rio. → https://is.gd/4hzUBf | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Seems like cluster 5 mutates faster<< nothing suggesting that. The mutation is driven by virus "living" in minks and adapting to that environment. It happened 4 times already, independently, which is known as convergence | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the mutation is an advantage for this strain **in minks**, in humans it's a DISadvantage | 19:02 |
| LjL | uh, i remember hearing that one of the two antibodies in Regeneron *would* likely be affected by Cluster 5 | 19:05 |
| LjL | if it sticks to the S-protein but the S-protein has changed, that would make sense | 19:06 |
| bin_bash | i'll wait to see the paper tbh | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: that's why antibody medications are always a cocktail of different types of antibodies. 3 seems to be considered a good minimum, also seen elsewhere e.g. by TBC treatment | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure that paper will come up huge in press in the next days | 19:15 |
| LjL | %paper mink denmark | 19:15 |
| Brainstorm | LjL: An error occurred while searching. | 19:15 |
| LjL | %paper mink | 19:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 7 papers: Jumping back and forth: anthropozoonotic and zoonotic transmission of SARS-CoV-2 on mink farms by Bas B. Oude Munnink et al, published on 2020-09-01 at https://biorxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.09.01.277152 [... want %more?] | 19:16 |
| LjL | %more | 19:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): U.S. officials warn of early challenges administering Eli Lilly's coronavirus antibody drug → https://is.gd/grCfmr | 19:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, [...] transmitted to humans via minks, tied primarily to [[Mink farm|mink farms]] in [[Northern Jutland]]. A report by the SSI found that there had been at least 12 human infections involving this mutation in Northern Jutland (being referred to as "cluster 5"), and its [[Antibody|antibody response]] was weak. While the institute suggested that this mutation was [...] → https://paste.ee/p/fA0rv | 19:16 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, [...] SARS-CoV2 infection in farmed mink, Netherlands, April 2020 by Nadia Oreshkova et al, published on 2020-05-18 at http://biorxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.05.18.101493 [...] → https://paste.ee/p/Sf2Xi | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe for now it's more useful to losten/read the today's Drosten talk | 19:16 |
| LjL | oh | 19:16 |
| LjL | they *dropped* their plan for mass culling of mink | 19:17 |
| LjL | now i had missed that news | 19:17 |
| LjL | looks like Parliament stopped that | 19:17 |
| LjL | so it's not because the paper is reassuring, just because parliament didn't agree with government :\ | 19:17 |
| LjL | https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/nov/09/denmark-drops-plans-for-mass-mink-cull-after-covid-mutation-fears | 19:18 |
| LjL | i found https://www.ssi.dk/-/media/arkiv/dk/aktuelt/nyheder/2020/2020-working-paper-on-sarscov2-spike-mutations-arising-in-danish-mink-their-1-spread-to-humans-and-n.pdf?la=en which Google suggest may be the new paper, aiui, but it isn't loading | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | coronavirus-update "keine angst vor mutationen (64)" https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/podcast4684.html | 19:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +17395 cases (now 1.4 million), +411 deaths (now 39756) since a day ago — US: +41882 cases (now 10.5 million), +449 deaths (now 244841) since 18 hours ago | 19:21 |
| LjL | are we sure this is an appropriate hyperlink to "gene cluster" here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cluster_5&type=revision&diff=988040929&oldid=988021902 ? it's about genes, sure, but i understood "cluster" here as clusters in an outbreak... | 19:22 |
| LjL | https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:L89QeN6PD-cJ:https://www.ssi.dk/-/media/arkiv/dk/aktuelt/nyheder/2020/2020-working-paper-on-sarscov2-spike-mutations-arising-in-danish-mink-their-1-spread-to-humans-and-n.pdf%3Fla%3Dda+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=it&client=firefox-b-d | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | according to Drosten of today, "cluster" refers to a group of similar mutations in sequencing, in this context | 19:25 |
| LjL | "The clinical isolates bearing the Y453F spike mutation replicated as efficiently as the unmutated/wildtype SARS-CoV-2 virus that predominates in Denmark (data not shown). Conversely, the SARS-CoV-2 virus with four mutations grew slower than both the wildtype virus and other SARS-CoV-2 virus isolates (Fig. 2)." | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: Biscuit-in-Chief: /* Name */link, {{cn}}: Name: link, {{cn}} ← Previous revision Revision as of 18:18, 10 November 2020 Line 7: Line 7: == Name == == Name == − In Denmark there have been five clusters of mink variants of SARS-CoV-2; the Danish [[Statens Serum Institut|State Serum Institute]] (SSI) has designated [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF | 19:25 |
| LjL | "The different convalescent plasma were not equally affected by the ΔFVI-spike mutant virus. The two plasma samples with high neutralization titers were largely unaffected, while plasma with low and intermediate titers were more likely to experience a loss in neutralization activity (Fig. 3a)." | 19:26 |
| LjL | not much that we didn't already know, except that maybe in the language i don't really understand in the rest of the paper (which isn't very long) there is key information i don't understand | 19:27 |
| bin_bash | DocScrutinizer05: i don't think listening to a podcast is a good way to get that kind of information without a written souce and references | 19:28 |
| bin_bash | difficult to peer review a podcast | 19:28 |
| LjL | bin_bash, that's probably why he at first said he'd link it after they publish the transcript | 19:29 |
| bin_bash | yeah i know | 19:32 |
| bin_bash | but then he said the podcast is more useul | 19:33 |
| bin_bash | useful | 19:33 |
| bin_bash | and i was just disagreewing with that | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bin_bash: if you're a scientist competent to di peer review, you won't do a peer review of Drosten's podcasts, you'll already have seen that paper and can tell me if Drosten was right in _his_ "peer review" he shared to us | 19:35 |
| LjL | the paper, at least the working version that i linked to, really don't say much of anything different than we already know... | 19:36 |
| bin_bash | DocScrutinizer05: i'm not the one doing the peer review, i want to see what others have reviewed. podcasts are large inaccessible | 19:36 |
| LjL | anyway it seems irresponsible to veto the culling of these mink when it's clear that mink are very susceptible and the virus can mutate in them very easily | 19:36 |
| bin_bash | hence why transcripts are so critical | 19:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +18720 cases (now 1.2 million), +532 deaths (now 49770) since 12 hours ago | 19:36 |
| bin_bash | LjL: yeah i agree | 19:36 |
| LjL | bin_bash, peer review takes months to happen | 19:36 |
| bin_bash | i know | 19:37 |
| bin_bash | but if it's at least published | 19:37 |
| bin_bash | there will be comments | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why I rather listen to Drosten, he's more competent than I am and can explain what that paper means, if it is trustworthy or where it lacks evidence, and so on | 19:37 |
| bin_bash | like there have been comments on other papers about fomite transmission being exaggerated | 19:37 |
| LjL | bin_bash, well the person DocScrutinizer05 is referring to is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Drosten which you'll see is not just a random podcaster. if you're looking for competent "comments", his would qualify | 19:38 |
| bin_bash | DocScrutinizer05: ya for sure let me know when you have the transcript i'd like to read it | 19:38 |
| bin_bash | LjL: my problem is with the format. | 19:38 |
| LjL | my problem is with the german :P | 19:38 |
| bin_bash | hence why i look forward to the transcript | 19:38 |
| bin_bash | oh right, if it's in german that's another issue haha | 19:38 |
| genera | what are you talking about? the last/current NDR podcast? | 19:39 |
| genera | "das update" | 19:39 |
| LjL | almost certainly yes | 19:40 |
| LjL | (64) Keine Angst vor Mutationen | 19:40 |
| LjL | Sendung: Das Coronavirus-Update von NDR Info | 10.11.2020 | 16:45 Uhr | von Korinna Hennig | 19:40 |
| LjL | Erste Impfstoffdaten hält Christian Drosten für ermutigend. Und: Das Virus verändert seine Eigenschaften bisher kaum. | 19:40 |
| genera | great. its like in the middle ages, german is again the language of relevant research | 19:42 |
| genera | :-) | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | watch https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/Coronavirus-Update-Die-Podcast-Folgen-als-Skript,podcastcoronavirus102.html for transscript appearing for 64 | 19:42 |
| LjL | genera, okay to be fair Drosten is certainly competent but his podcast isn't "research" :P | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | genera: no, not really | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: +1 | 19:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: RNA structures of coronavirus reveal potential drug targets: The SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus RNA genome structure was studied in detail by researchers from the University of Groningen, the International Institute of Molecular and Cell Biology in Warsaw, and Leiden University. The RNA structures are potential targets for the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/dkm7Ch | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just for filling in factoids: Drosten is one of the top SARS virologists globally | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe THE top virologist for SARS | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and he very obviously has no bias or hidden agenda of any kind | 19:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Montana, US: +1098 cases (now 41151), +5 deaths (now 462) since a day ago — US: +45325 cases (now 10.5 million), +464 deaths (now 244856) since 19 hours ago | 19:50 |
| Skunny | Wife got a negative result | 19:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: How to host a safe holiday meal during coronavirus – an epidemiologist explains her personal plans: Like many people in this unusual year, I am adjusting my family's holiday plans so that we can all be safe during the ongoing coronavirus pandemic. → https://is.gd/rvNI1P | 19:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Vaccine innovation sparks hope, questions: Reports that one of the vaccines for COVID-19 has shown highly promising results are a ray of hope for a world in the shadow of surging virus cases. → https://is.gd/1dvAuT | 20:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Illinois, US: +12623 cases (now 511183), +82 deaths (now 10645) since 23 hours ago — US: +62301 cases (now 10.5 million), +615 deaths (now 245007) since 19 hours ago — Canada: +4153 cases (now 271669), +55 deaths (now 10622) since 20 hours ago — Germany: +10285 cases (now 699257), +107 deaths (now 11764) since 21 hours ago | 20:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Doctors may be better equipped to handle latest virus surge: The latest surge in U.S. coronavirus cases appears to be much larger than the two previous ones, and it is all but certain to get worse—a lot worse. But experts say there are also reasons to think the nation is better able to deal with the virus this time. → https://is.gd/OxeOIr | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ohio, US: +6508 cases (now 261482), +23 deaths (now 5588) since a day ago — US: +71858 cases (now 10.5 million), +666 deaths (now 245058) since 19 hours ago | 20:21 |
| LjL | Skunny, are you isolating from each other in some way? | 20:25 |
| Skunny | im on day 11 now | 20:28 |
| Skunny | yeah I had my own room | 20:28 |
| Skunny | I would watch some tv. we have a big living room and I wore my we all wore N95 mask | 20:29 |
| LjL | you might not be all that infectious now on day 11. but you also might | 20:29 |
| Skunny | I would say it worked out cause she tested Sunday | 20:29 |
| Skunny | right | 20:29 |
| Skunny | still not licking the wife yet lol | 20:29 |
| LjL | Skunny, well, it worked out, or you were lucky. i think only around 40% of people who live with infected people become infected in turn | 20:29 |
| Skunny | and i have hand sanitizer all over the house | 20:29 |
| Skunny | yeah for sure | 20:29 |
| LjL | and by "only" i mean... of course it's a very large amount, but giving the infectiousness of this virus, i'd have expected >90% | 20:30 |
| Skunny | or she had it already back in feb when she was sick I dunno | 20:30 |
| LjL | one of the many mysteries about it | 20:30 |
| LjL | Skunny, in februrary? which country? | 20:30 |
| Skunny | us | 20:30 |
| Skunny | she was pretty sick | 20:30 |
| LjL | maybe you can get an antibody test somewhere | 20:30 |
| Skunny | yeah, looking into that today | 20:30 |
| LjL | but if you do, make sure it's a reasonably decent one, there's a lot of crap around | 20:30 |
| Skunny | so many BS testing | 20:31 |
| Skunny | rapid test are crap too | 20:31 |
| Skunny | waiting on sons test right now | 20:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +12598 cases (now 701570), +141 deaths (now 11798) since 21 hours ago — US: +72062 cases (now 10.5 million), +669 deaths (now 245061) since 20 hours ago | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +77227 cases (now 10.5 million), +729 deaths (now 245121) since 20 hours ago | 20:50 |
| Jigsy | %cases World | 21:02 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In World, there have been 51.8 million confirmed cases (0.7% of the population) and 1.3 million deaths (2.5% of cases) as of 12 minutes ago. 880.6 million tests were performed (5.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.3% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=World for time series data. | 21:02 |
| TASA | a | 21:05 |
| TASA | inverse placebo ? | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +85365 cases (now 10.5 million), +826 deaths (now 245218) since 20 hours ago | 21:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Can You Safely Host Holiday Events During COVID-19?: After months of separation from friends and family due to COVID-19, many people hope to reconnect over such holidays as Christmas and Hanukkah. But health experts continue to encourage people to practice safe behaviors and avoid situations that could expose them or their loved ones to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/PK5qF6 | 21:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +97629 cases (now 10.5 million), +982 deaths (now 245374) since 20 hours ago | 21:21 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +104849 cases (now 10.5 million), +1063 deaths (now 245455) since 21 hours ago — Germany: +16369 cases (now 705341), +196 deaths (now 11853) since 22 hours ago | 21:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>only around 40% of people<< iirc today I heard in that podcast: 25% with flu, only 15% with sars-cov2. I might recall wrong | 21:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure it's not a universal constant :-) largely depends on particular situation and habits | 21:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +109588 cases (now 10.5 million), +1079 deaths (now 245471) since 21 hours ago | 21:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from PLOS ONE: The immunoglobulin G antibody response to malaria merozoite antigens in asymptomatic children co-infected with malaria and intestinal parasites: by Crespo’o Mbe-cho Ndiabamoh, Gabriel Loni Ekali, Livo Esemu, Yukie Michelle Lloyd, Jean Claude Djontu, Wilfred Mbacham, Jude Bigoga, Diane Wallace Taylor, Rose Gana Fomban Leke [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/UQcun2 | 22:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +110154 cases (now 10.5 million) since 21 hours ago | 22:05 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Working paper on SARS-CoV-2 spike mutations arising in Danish mink, their spread to humans and neutralization data. (81 votes) | https://files.ssi.dk/Mink-cluster-5-short-report_AFO2 | https://redd.it/jrl0f1 | 22:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +116398 cases (now 10.5 million), +1105 deaths (now 245497) since 21 hours ago | 22:20 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +118745 cases (now 10.5 million), +1122 deaths (now 245514) since 22 hours ago | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *wieso` bringen die ARD tagesthemen ein 2 sekunden bild von "meiner" U-Bahn station??? voellig bezugslos in nem beitrag ueber den impfstoff | 22:49 |
| de-facto | oh nice description of cluster 5 mutations https://files.ssi.dk/Mink-cluster-5-short-report_AFO2 | 22:49 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: At 2020-11-10 07:04:34 UTC, de-facto told you: check for update on https://www.rivm.nl/documenten/wekelijkse-update-epidemiologische-situatie-covid-19-in-nederland | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh sorry, wrong channel | 22:49 |
| de-facto | right, thanks Brainstorm | 22:49 |
| de-facto | oh no it converted to 404 | 22:50 |
| LjL | :\ | 22:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +119637 cases (now 10.5 million), +1125 deaths (now 245517) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +4891 cases (now 272407) since 23 hours ago | 22:50 |
| LjL | de-facto, well the paper you linked was previously elsewhere except i didn't have time to get it from there but i found it in google's cache | 22:50 |
| LjL | de-facto, and by doing the same thing with this .nl one i reach https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-11/COVID-19_WebSite_rapport_wekelijks_20201103_1216.pdf | 22:51 |
| de-facto | ah here the archive got it https://www.rivm.nl/coronavirus-covid-19/actueel/wekelijkse-update-epidemiologische-situatie-covid-19-in-nederland | 22:51 |
| LjL | which is however long as hell | 22:51 |
| de-facto | yeah there is an update as i guessed today https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-11/COVID-19_WebSite_rapport_wekelijks_20201110_1158.pdf | 22:52 |
| de-facto | page 29 positivity went down? | 22:54 |
| LjL | %tr <nl aantal | 22:54 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Dutch to English: number (MateCat, Google) — count (MateCat) — Quantity (MateCat) | 22:55 |
| de-facto | its funny Dutch sounds very similar to German so aantal sounds like Anzahl, meaning "Number of" | 22:56 |
| rpifan | dutch spelling is very close to german | 22:59 |
| rpifan | i can read a lot of dutch with my german | 22:59 |
| rpifan | but speaking is something else | 22:59 |
| de-facto | yup | 23:01 |
| LjL | don't tell dutchmen, but linguistically dutch is really on a dialect continuum with the neighboring dialects of german (which however don't have a high formal status, unlike dutch) | 23:02 |
| rpifan | yea it is | 23:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Should college students go home for the holidays?: Thanksgiving is traditionally an intimate gathering of family and friends. And, for college students, the fall break in semester is an opportunity to travel home to see the family for a few days. With COVID-19 cases increasing at a high rate in some parts of the U.S., that trek [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/0Pyjj4 | 23:04 |
| de-facto | %title https://imgur.com/a/55iiMF2 https://i.imgur.com/KI7yuIX.png source: newest https://www.rivm.nl/sites/default/files/2020-11/COVID-19_WebSite_rapport_wekelijks_20201110_1158.pdf (page 29) | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19 Netherlands: Tests, Cases, Positivity - Album on Imgur | 23:05 |
| rpifan | im actually doing the german right now | 23:05 |
| rpifan | talkign in the german to telekom | 23:05 |
| rpifan | its a bit strange thats after only 24 months or | 23:05 |
| rpifan | so im able to communicate at least basically with telekom | 23:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +119735 cases (now 10.5 million), +1127 deaths (now 245519) since 22 hours ago | 23:06 |
| de-facto | so it really looks like Netherlands surpassed a peak in testing positivity in the week ending at 2020-10-25 | 23:06 |
| de-facto | did they change their testing strategy by then or is that incidence itself? | 23:07 |
| LjL | well the number of tests had steadily being going up | 23:08 |
| LjL | then suddenly it goes down | 23:08 |
| LjL | and coincidentally the percentage of positives changes too | 23:08 |
| de-facto | i mean their incidence dropped (as did their testing) but also their positivity e.g. cases / tests | 23:08 |
| LjL | to me that indicates a change in testing strategy, whether on purpose or by necessity | 23:08 |
| LjL | de-facto, yes, but the same happened yesterday in italy. does it mean we have fewer cases today? not so much | 23:08 |
| LjL | i know that usually fewer tests = higher % positive | 23:09 |
| LjL | but perhaps even more importantly, fewer tests = something is different | 23:09 |
| de-facto | well only if targeting changed, e.g. if they only test high risk groups or symptomatic or such | 23:09 |
| de-facto | i hate they are not screening random people to get an representative picture | 23:10 |
| de-facto | its such a guessing game, maybe they did this and got that effect | 23:10 |
| de-facto | but testing positivity going down is a good sign in my opinion, why would they change their testing targeting to include less probable cases while reducing amount of tests? | 23:13 |
| de-facto | meaning if the drop in positivity is not due to that it may be real | 23:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: What are we drinking during the pandemic?: It might not be surprising to learn but people are drinking more than usual during the pandemic. → https://is.gd/ZO6PsA | 23:15 |
| de-facto | yeah... Green Tea :) | 23:15 |
| TASA | what if | 23:16 |
| TASA | i told you | 23:16 |
| TASA | .. | 23:16 |
| TASA | . | 23:16 |
| LjL | yeeeeeeees? | 23:17 |
| TASA | what are they measuring the mutations with | 23:17 |
| TASA | ? | 23:18 |
| LjL | i assume it's "sequencing" | 23:18 |
| TASA | but how ? | 23:18 |
| TASA | how do they glean the information in order ? | 23:18 |
| TASA | with what tool ? | 23:18 |
| LjL | i'm dying to know | 23:19 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Wyoming, US: +1232 cases (now 19242), +13 deaths (now 127) since a day ago — US: +123213 cases (now 10.5 million), +1161 deaths (now 245553) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +5107 cases (now 272623) since 23 hours ago | 23:20 |
| TASA | i B back soon | 23:20 |
| TASA | going to get a drink | 23:20 |
| TASA | be about 15 | 23:20 |
| TASA | please tell me someone how they identify that it is covid | 23:21 |
| TASA | back in 18 | 23:22 |
| LjL | TASA, you're making a lot of noise while not actually even clarifying whether you're asking a question or teasing and answer or both | 23:22 |
| LjL | color me unamused | 23:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELLA SALUTE - ORDINANZA 10 novembre 2020: Ulteriori misure urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19. (20A06211) → https://is.gd/4Yyjuw | 23:24 |
| LjL | they are probably declaring some more regions "red" or "orange" zones (finally) | 23:29 |
| LjL | gah, Campania is still nothing | 23:30 |
| LjL | idiots | 23:30 |
| rpifan | idiota! | 23:32 |
| rpifan | you mean | 23:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for US: +123517 cases (now 10.5 million), +1165 deaths (now 245557) since 23 hours ago | 23:36 |
| LjL | rpifan, well no i would mean idioti | 23:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: FDA requires Lilly to hire consultants to monitor quality control problems at plant making Covid-19 drug → https://is.gd/kMKKHg | 23:43 |
| rpifan | idk how plurals work in italian | 23:43 |
| rpifan | in spanish its idiotas | 23:43 |
| LjL | they work more complicatedly than spanish, but probably easier than german | 23:50 |
| rpifan | yupp | 23:50 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Bulgaria: +4390 cases (now 83366), +80 deaths (now 1851) since a day ago — US: +124203 cases (now 10.5 million), +1168 deaths (now 245560) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +16668 cases (now 705640), +203 deaths (now 11860) since a day ago — Switzerland: +111 deaths (now 3013) since 23 hours ago | 23:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Dutch scientists reconstruct spread of coronavirus through mink farms → https://is.gd/4vqjK3 | 23:53 |
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