| cloud69 | LjL: hey, i see well. yeah nextstrain sounds like a lot of work | 00:00 |
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| LjL | cloud69, https://preview.zbmed.de/ has an API, you may want to note down that one | 00:00 |
| cloud69 | although im sure medical professionals would enjoy such a feature | 00:00 |
| tinwhiskers | %title https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/11/trump-advisor-tells-michigan-to-rise-up-aginst-covid-restrictions/ | 00:07 |
| Brainstorm | tinwhiskers: From arstechnica.com: Trump adviser tells Michigan to “rise up” against COVID restrictions | Ars Technica | 00:07 |
| ryouma | "Nephrite-Jade amulets, a calcium-ferromagnesian silicate, may prevent COVID-19." | 00:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: November 16, 2020 → https://is.gd/VGRgrm | 00:14 |
| ryouma | "The earlier version might pose a serious health risk based on the increasing negative feedback since its e-publication ahead of print." | 00:14 |
| ryouma | ".... We did not intend for this to be our message..." | 00:15 |
| tinwhiskers | link? | 00:16 |
| ryouma | https://retractionwatch.com/2020/11/16/co-authors-of-paper-on-covid-19-and-jade-amulets-blames-the-online-press-and-social-media-for-misinterpretation-in-retraction-letter/ | 00:17 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 00:17 |
| ryouma | i like the "For reference, the statement about jade amulets, which appeared in the “highlights” section of the post, does not seem ambiguous" | 00:17 |
| LjL | O.o | 00:17 |
| ryouma | wish i could read whole context. like, why was it retracted etc. | 00:18 |
| ryouma | and the accusation of racism for asking questions about the paper | 00:18 |
| ryouma | but i cannot | 00:18 |
| tinwhiskers | The group then had more rats die with the same pathology in February and March of this year, Bility says, and he connected the timing—close to the spring equinox, which he says is associated with changes in the geomagnetic field—to that of rising COVID-19 case numbers in the US. In the paper, he and his coauthors propose that SARS-CoV-2 is a preexisting, endogenous virus in the human genome that is reawakened by the effects of | 00:21 |
| tinwhiskers | changes in the Earth’s magnetic field, but that the virus doesn’t cause the pathology seen in COVID-19. Rather, they suggest, the disease comes about due to other chemical reactions in the body catalyzed by the magnetic field. Asked whether the SARS-CoV-2 sequence has been found in the human genome, Bility says, “I’m not a genomic expert. That was just something I did want to look at, but I did not look at that.” | 00:21 |
| ryouma | i also cannot read the rise up thing but what is the goal of encouraging rising up? | 00:21 |
| ryouma | more succinctly why destroy the usa | 00:23 |
| tinwhiskers | foster partisan divisions to cement future support? | 00:24 |
| tinwhiskers | freedum | 00:24 |
| ryouma | for legal challenges to the election? | 00:24 |
| tinwhiskers | for the next election | 00:24 |
| ryouma | wouldn't that work better NOT in the lame duck period? | 00:24 |
| ryouma | is it to hand a destroyed usa to jan 20? | 00:25 |
| tinwhiskers | maybe | 00:25 |
| tinwhiskers | I couldn't really speak as to their intentions and can only speculate because they appear to be completely mad. | 00:26 |
| LjL | i suspect that Brainstorm kinda decides to post things or to NOT post things based on how hot the CPU is or something ;( | 00:32 |
| LjL | it should have posted my addition to the links, it doesn't matter because the Matrix bot did, but still | 00:32 |
| tinwhiskers | Hrm. Moderna’s vaccine is certainly looking preferable to Pfizer's. Aside from the marginally better results (94% vs. 90%) it can be stored for up to 30 days in a domestic refrigerator (2-8°C) instead of -70°C or a few hours at domestic freezer temperatures. | 00:39 |
| tinwhiskers | With the good news Monday, lame-duck US President Donald Trump was quick to take credit for the vaccine’s success so far. In a tweet, Trump said, in part, “For those great ‘historians,’ please remember that these great discoveries.... all took place on my watch!” | 00:40 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 00:40 |
| tinwhiskers | despite his watch | 00:40 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, i think we don't know it's 90% for Pfizer, the press release said "at least" 90% or something like that | 00:42 |
| LjL | the storage thing does seem to make it more compelling | 00:42 |
| tinwhiskers | ah. ok. I suspect the storage requirements will also improve as they test further too | 00:42 |
| LjL | and yeah i saw that tweet, it comments itself | 00:43 |
| LjL | as a matter of fact i think i'll apply at some pharma companies to develop vaccines | 00:43 |
| LjL | because two of the most important vaccines ever developed happened while i was watching | 00:43 |
| LjL | clearly i am ace | 00:43 |
| tinwhiskers | heh | 00:43 |
| cloud69 | LjL: is it a good idea to filter tweets by geolocation if you want to confine the stream to a single country? | 00:47 |
| LjL | cloud69, probably not because most tweets aren't geolocated | 00:47 |
| cloud69 | cool, thanks | 00:48 |
| LjL | cloud69, if you're using twitter's API i suppose you are aware there is a v1 and a v2 and the former will be phased out at some point? | 00:48 |
| cloud69 | uh oh. i wasn't aware, no | 00:51 |
| cloud69 | i'll be using https://github.com/tweetstream/tweetstream/ which is a few years old | 00:51 |
| cloud69 | seems like it's using v1 :( | 00:52 |
| cloud69 | 1.1: https://github.com/tweetstream/tweetstream/blob/master/lib/tweetstream/client.rb | 00:53 |
| cloud69 | oh well, worry about that later :) | 00:53 |
| LjL | cloud69, most of them are probably using v1 | 00:56 |
| LjL | you may want to use tweepy which i believe is the one kept most up to date | 00:56 |
| LjL | but even tweepy is probably using v1 for now | 00:56 |
| LjL | anyway have a look at how it works in v2 because in some ways it's more powerful but in other ways it has more limitations | 00:56 |
| LjL | namely you can only receive 500k tweets a month unless you pay money | 00:57 |
| LjL | you probably don't want to build some huge thing on v1 only to see it being rendered impossible later | 00:57 |
| cloud69 | ha | 00:57 |
| tinwhiskers | In my perfect world first world countries would now be starting to establish oligonucleotide synthesis facilities as it's looking very likely mRNA vaccines will be a useful technique in the immediate to medium term. There's many labs around the world that can and do the chemical synthesis required for these short oligonucleotide vaccines but it'd be fantastic if countries could establish their own manufacturing. It was only 40 years ago | 00:57 |
| tinwhiskers | NZ had the ability to produce our own vaccines for the country and it'd be nice to see everyone have this capability again. | 00:57 |
| cloud69 | LjL: its actually quite small what im building, just basic boilerplate stuff, you'll see later | 00:58 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, but then there's also patents, can these labs produce the vaccine without paying huge money to Moderna/Pfizer/others? | 00:58 |
| LjL | cloud69, alright, just fair warning | 00:58 |
| LjL | meanwhile, ugh, my bot is actually atrocious | 00:58 |
| LjL | Nov 17 00:23:45 ljlbox poetry[706427]: feeds/news (Thread-12): Disregarding latest entry with previously seen id u'106797662' | 00:59 |
| cloud69 | much obliged :D | 00:59 |
| LjL | this is probably why it didn't post the last thing last time (and maybe other things other times) | 00:59 |
| LjL | that ID isn't even the ID of my github, so who knows where it's failing | 00:59 |
| LjL | and my logic is faulty. i made it discard the "latest" post if the ID had already been seen, but that may result in no post being posted even though there WAS another candidate | 01:00 |
| LjL | i did that because the simple logic of "have we already seen this ID? then ignore and continue" failed to stop CNBC from being bothersome | 01:00 |
| tinwhiskers | yeah, well the cost shouldn't be much more (maybe cheaper) than buying from those suppliers (which still have patent encumbered costs) but the production bottleneck would be reduced, which could save a lot of lives. | 01:00 |
| LjL | so i just did a mindless patch that made things worse | 01:00 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, on the other hand we know there is a single quality control on... well, each of the vaccines... while if you had many labs, you could end up with some whoopsies (that may or may not cost lives/disabilities) in some particular lab due to incomplete oversight over so many facilities | 01:01 |
| LjL | i'm not particularly trying to say it's good the way it is, you're probably right, i'm just pointing out potential issues i see | 01:02 |
| tinwhiskers | yes, control control is required and is performed by sequencing | 01:02 |
| tinwhiskers | *quality control | 01:02 |
| LjL | i've rolled back this problematic change i made a while ago in Brainstorm. this may mean it posts the same bit of news more than once AGAIN, tinwhiskers, ryouma, etc, if it does happen, please let me know :\ i may at least have more logs than before to figure out why | 01:06 |
| tinwhiskers | I'm going kayak fishing now. Good luck :-) | 01:07 |
| LjL | tinwhiskers, good luck yourself. but i mean like in general, it may not happen or not be noticed for a couple of days | 01:07 |
| tinwhiskers | ok | 01:07 |
| ryouma | hope you catch some good kayaks | 01:07 |
| tinwhiskers | lol | 01:07 |
| Zalyssa | remember, the green ones are the hardest to catch | 01:08 |
| LjL | :P | 01:08 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Moderna Announces Longer Shelf Life for its COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate at Refrigerated Temperatures (80 votes) | https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-longer-shelf-life-its-covid-19-vaccine | https://redd.it/jv9mja | 01:23 |
| LjL | you're LATE CoronaBot LATE | 01:24 |
| jacklsw | lol coronabot slept | 01:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Reese Oxner: Over 1 Million Children Tested Positive For Coronavirus In The United States → https://is.gd/7yJ09n | 01:28 |
| ryouma | nothing new but "A growing number of campaigners, including Long-Covid patient groups and medical experts, have warned that exercise therapy, which gets patients to slowly increase activity, can pose serious risk to people with post-viral illness like long covid-19." | 01:43 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Johnson & Johnson Initiates Second Global Phase 3 Clinical Trial of its Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate (80 votes) | https://www.jnj.com/johnson-johnson-initiates-second-global-phase-3-clinical-trial-of-its-janssen-covid-19-vaccine-candidate | https://redd.it/jvdik5 | 02:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Colorado governor urges the federal government ‘to step up’ amid surging Covid cases: Colorado Gov. Jared Polis explains why the federal government needs to step up in several ways as the coronavirus pandemic surges across the country. → https://is.gd/3sVLX4 | 02:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Philadelphia Bans Nearly All Indoor Gatherings For The Rest Of The Year: The city is taking sweeping steps to control the coronavirus by banning indoor activities, including holiday season gatherings among people of different households. → https://is.gd/lVTB9G | 03:35 |
| cloud69 | LjL: enough for tonight, ill finish it tomorrow hopefully: https://gist.github.com/cloud69420/7819235ce14bcac832290669888aa1b0 | 03:53 |
| LjL | cloud69, you'll get a LOT of corona-related tweets :P | 03:54 |
| cloud69 | hehe | 03:54 |
| LjL | cloud69, also if you want some more keywords since i see you're matching against a few | 03:54 |
| LjL | coronavirus|COVID|outbreak|pandemic|epidemic|SARS|face mask|sanitizer|cases|Wuhan|Hubei|Lombardy|Lombardia|Moderna|quarantena|quarantine|isolation|lockdown|swab|Milan|positive|negative|tests|\bICU\b|terapia|therapeutic|antibod|pcr|dexamethasone|remdesivir|chloroquine|hcq|ppe|n95|aerosol|airborne|icu|triage|reopen|il-6|il-8|tnf|cytokine|vaccin) | 03:55 |
| cloud69 | yeah i was about to ask which keywords you use | 03:55 |
| cloud69 | daaaaamn! nice :D | 03:55 |
| LjL | these are good for feeds that are already likely to contain COVID-related news, though | 03:55 |
| LjL | like, it would be silly to search all tweets for "Milan" | 03:55 |
| LjL | so you'll have to prune it a little | 03:56 |
| cloud69 | indeed, that makes sense | 03:58 |
| cloud69 | better start pruning before twitter charges me for these tweets :D | 03:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Moderna chairman: We don't need deep-freeze conditions for vaccine → https://is.gd/08WZxf | 04:00 |
| LjL | cloud69, well they won't charge you automatically, they'll just stop your stream | 04:00 |
| LjL | but that's with v2 | 04:00 |
| LjL | as long as v1 is active, they'll just throttle it at worst | 04:00 |
| LjL | (which i suspect they're doing with my earthquake tweets, but haven't had enough motivation to really check :\) | 04:01 |
| tinwhiskers | Fishing success https://imgur.com/a/mebqcK9 now I have food sorted for the next two days I can get back to worrying about covid :-p | 04:13 |
| cloud69 | LjL: ignorance is bliss am i right :D | 04:29 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Dr. Scott Atlas under fire for telling Michigan to 'rise up' against COVID-19 restrictions (10123 votes) | https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dr-scott-atlas-fire-telling-michigan-rise-covid/story?id=74234276 | https://redd.it/jveylw | 05:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Kim Jong Un calls for tougher COVID-19 measures at first appearance in 25 days → https://is.gd/zaJ25j | 05:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Joe Biden vows to strengthen economy despite exploding pandemic → https://is.gd/bLBcNn | 05:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Russia: +22778 cases (now 1.9 million), +303 deaths (now 33489) since a day ago — Germany: +14582 cases (now 817526), +199 deaths (now 12891) since a day ago — Michigan, US: +13162 cases (now 288954), +55 deaths (now 8431) since 2 days ago — Iran: +13053 cases (now 775121), +486 deaths (now 41979) since a day ago | 06:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 682: Kate Rubins from the International Space Station: From Expedition 64 of International Space Station, Flight Engineer Kate Rubins joins TWiV to discuss experiments that she is working on, including cell cultures, genome sequencing, and plant growth. → https://is.gd/R1SP2k | 06:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from EurekAlert!: (news): People who purchased firearms during pandemic more likely to be suicidal → https://is.gd/ahxqnU | 06:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Fitness: Workout in a pandemic: How prepared are gyms? → https://is.gd/RBl2Of | 08:02 |
| cloud69 | lol how prepared are gyms | 08:31 |
| cloud69 | me and my dad were just talking about it | 08:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Exercised over nothing: Masks don't impair lung function during physical activity: Wearing a facemask helps limit the spread of COVID-19 by reducing respiratory droplets and aerosols spewed into the air when people breathe, talk, laugh, sneeze or cough. But the physical barrier created by masks has prompted concerns that they [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/prVb2l | 09:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Teeth grinding and facial pain increase due to coronavirus stress and anxiety: The stress and anxiety experienced by the general population during Israel's first lockdown brought about a significant rise in orofacial and jaw pain, as well as jaw-clenching in the daytime and teeth-grinding at night, according to a new study from [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/CPKTb8 | 09:28 |
| the-wes | I am having to stop myself from grinding my teeth more and more lately | 09:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Iowa Governor Reverses Course, Issues Mask Mandate As COVID-19 Cases Rise: With hospitals in the state filling up with patients, Gov. Kim Reynolds, who once dismissed restrictions as "feel-good" measures, said Monday: "If Iowans don't buy into this, we'll lose." → https://is.gd/4txwF3 | 09:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Vaccination: Who will be the first to get COVID-19 vaccines? → https://is.gd/6IsuaL | 09:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Diseases, Conditions, Syndromes: 24 hours in the ICU: Fighting for an open bed in coronavirus → https://is.gd/UVsfVm | 10:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Moderna, the small biotech company taking on the pandemic: Moderna has long been a darling of investors but it wasn't until the coronavirus pandemic came along that the Cambridge, Massachusetts-based biotech company could prove the value of its new vaccine technology and mint some new billionaires. → https://is.gd/tX9vx9 | 10:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Health: ‘They’ve been following the science’: How the Covid-19 pandemic has been curtailed in Cherokee Nation → https://is.gd/HutAoz | 10:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Covid vaccine front-runners: How much they cost, who's bought them and how they're stored: The battle to secure vaccine supplies has raised alarm about equitable access, while questions remain over logistics, distribution, and cost. → https://is.gd/RzFNHA | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: West of Scotland awaits decision on level 4 rules: Nicola Sturgeon is to announce whether the toughest Covid restrictions will be imposed in Glasgow and surrounding areas. → https://is.gd/9uAHiB | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Covid vaccine front-runners: How much they cost, who's bought them and how they're stored: The cost of some of the leading coronavirus vaccine candidates ranges from $3 to $37. There are also major differences when it comes to storage and logistics. → https://is.gd/RzFNHA | 12:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: New Data Shows the Use of Seclusion and Restraint Increased in Illinois Schools During the 2017-18 School Year: by Jennifer Smith Richards , Chicago Tribune, and Jodi S. Cohen , ProPublica ProPublica Illinois is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to get weekly updates about our work. This story is a [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/1jV5Ts | 12:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Moderna vaccine is nearly 95% effective, trial involving high risk and elderly people shows: The UK government has secured 5m doses of the covid-19 vaccine candidate (mRNA-1273) from US biotech company Moderna after interim analysis of its phase III trial showed it was 94.5% effective.If the... → https://is.gd/3BK7B3 | 12:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from ECDC: Download the daily number of new reported cases of COVID-19 by country worldwide: The downloadable data file is updated daily and contains the latest available public data on COVID-19. You may use the data in line with ECDC’s copyright policy. → https://is.gd/zYsz7d | 12:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: The Golden Rule of Pandemic Survival: Editor’s Note: The Atlantic is making vital coverage of the coronavirus available to all readers. Find the collection here . → https://is.gd/GFm20f | 13:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Covid vaccine front-runners: How much they cost, who's bought them and how they're stored: The cost of some of the leading coronavirus vaccine candidates ranges from $3 to $37. There are also major differences when it comes to storage and logistics. → https://is.gd/RzFNHA | 13:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Award winning image demonstrates effectiveness of DIY masks in fight against COVID-19: An award-winning research image produced by a project at Cork Institute of Technology applies imaging techniques developed for astrophysics to see how effective various textiles are at stopping the flow of exhaled droplets, when they are used [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/SU82tb | 13:30 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Immunological memory to SARS-CoV-2 assessed for greater than six months after infection (81 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.15.383323v1 | https://redd.it/jvmmoc | 13:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Testing times for the government’s favoured antibody kit: In this article by Armstrong (BMJ 2020;371:m440, doi:10.1136/bmj.m4440, published 16 November 2020), there was an error regarding the purchase of one million AbC-19 tests by the government—this was... → https://is.gd/RFQIsB | 14:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Promising results from in vitro combination therapy against COVID-19: Researchers at Karolinska Institutet in Sweden report promising results from an in vitro combination therapy against COVID-19. In a study published in EMBO Molecular Medicine, the researchers show that a combination of remdesivir, an approved drug against [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ne0tzn | 14:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Post - November 17 | Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions → https://is.gd/nqoyum | 14:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from NIH Director's blog: Can Autoimmune Antibodies Explain Blood Clots in COVID-19?: For people with severe COVID-19, one of the most troubling complications is abnormal blood clotting that puts them at risk of having a debilitating stroke or heart attack. → https://is.gd/bMWwFp | 15:11 |
| koncierge[m] | <CoronaBot "/r/covid19: Immunological memory"> Didn't I remember seeing that there was no inmunity? Because of mutations and stuff? | 15:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Government has spent billions on contracts with little transparency, watchdog says: The government failed to provide transparency when hastily awarding billions of pounds worth of contracts during the covid-19 pandemic, the UK’s public spending watchdog has concluded.The National... → https://is.gd/nBcJJS | 15:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Pfizer launches pilot program to deliver Covid-19 vaccine; Amazon announces new online pharmacy offering: Pfizer launched a pilot delivery program for its experimental Covid-19 vaccine in four U.S. states, as the drug maker seeks to address distribution challenges stemming from its ultra-cold storage requirements. → https://is.gd/KLZbwF | 15:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Moderna follows Pfizer with exciting vaccine news – how to read these dramatic developments: It is very exciting to hear another positive story about vaccine trial results—a good vaccine is the most likely way of ending the pandemic. → https://is.gd/ZOIqIw | 15:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: COVID-19 Update: FDA’s Ongoing Commitment to Transparency for COVID-19 EUAs → https://is.gd/eoMlU0 | 16:01 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: After Big Thanksgiving Dinners, Plan Small Christmas Funerals, Health Experts Warn (10012 votes) | https://www.mississippifreepress.org/7014/after-big-thanksgiving-dinners-plan-small-christmas-funerals-health-experts-warn/ | https://redd.it/jvqxhg | 16:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Washington Wedding With More Than 300 Guests Linked To 17 Coronavirus Cases: Health officials are asking more than 300 people who were in attendance to get tested and quarantine after a large wedding earlier this month in Ritzville, Wash. → https://is.gd/pIAcX4 | 16:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Yes, your child will be exposed to online porn. But don't panic—here's what to do instead: 2020 has been the year of the coronavirus lockdown, the year of online education, the year of excessive streaming of entertainment … and the year when people are watching more pornography than before. The website PornHub reports porn [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xw9wEq | 16:27 |
| de-facto | LMAO | 16:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Lecturers develop a method to identify when a pandemic such as COVID-19 is in remission: Lecturers from the University of Valencia, Jose M. Pavía and Ernesto Veres-Ferrer, have developed a method that makes it possible to identify, in real time, when an epidemic issue such as COVID-19 is in remission. The method, explained in [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5e6KRs | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Overweight and obese younger people at greater risk for severe COVID-19: Being younger doesn't protect against the dangers of COVID-19 if you are overweight, according to a new study from UT Southwestern. While all adults who are overweight or obese are at greater risk for serious complications from the disease, the link is [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/kaTfGm | 16:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Head and Neck cancERs International cOviD-19 collabOraTion → https://is.gd/q1oNUM | 17:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Exploratory Ph I Trial of the Active IMP in Healthy Volunteers in Relation to COVID-19 → https://is.gd/qwLf9c | 17:17 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: European Medicines Agency Begins Rolling Review of Moderna’s mRNA Vaccine Candidate Against COVID-19 (mRNA-1273) (83 votes) | https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/european-medicines-agency-begins-rolling-review-modernas-mrna/ | https://redd.it/jvtunp | 17:22 |
| Jigsy | You can tell it's Tuesday. | 17:39 |
| Jigsy | 3>Due to technical difficulties, today's data will be released after 6pm. | 17:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Head and Neck cancERs International cOviD-19 collabOraTion → https://is.gd/q1oNUM | 17:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Moderna's COVID vaccine reports 95% efficacy. It means we might have multiple successful vaccines: American biotech firm Moderna has released early results from its phase 3 clinical trials, announcing in a press release on Monday (US time) that its COVID vaccine has an efficacy of 94.5%, according to an "interim analysis" by an [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/YMIXNQ | 18:09 |
| rpifan | so | 18:26 |
| rpifan | what is happening with the german lage | 18:27 |
| tinwhiskers | rpifan: what is "lage"? | 18:32 |
| rpifan | situation | 18:34 |
| tinwhiskers | Ah. Well they seem to have made a very effective change in their trajectory. Quite amazing. | 18:36 |
| tinwhiskers | Mostly amazing because the effects of the lockdown started immediately, workout any of the lag you'd expect so it's quite strange. | 18:38 |
| tinwhiskers | s/workout/without/ | 18:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Covid vaccine front-runners: How much they cost, who's bought them and how they're stored: The cost of some of the leading coronavirus vaccine candidates ranges from $3 to $37. There are also major differences when it comes to storage and logistics. → https://is.gd/RzFNHA | 18:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: New research reveals Australia's multi-billion dollar superbug crisis: Analysis by national consortium, OUTBREAK, highlights how urinary tract infections (UTIs) are becoming more persistent and harder to treat, resulting in more people being admitted to hospital where they require longer stays and more costly medicines. → https://is.gd/BI8ka6 | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: (news): PRESIDENZA DEL CONSIGLIO DEI MINISTRI - IL COMMISSARIO STRAORDINARIO PER L'ATTUAZIONE E IL COORDINAMENTO DELLE MISURE DI CONTENIMENTO E CONTRASTO DELL'EMERGENZA EPIDEMIOLOGICA COVID-19 - ORDINANZA 12 novembre 2020 → https://is.gd/Xa80Hp | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: New SARS-CoV-2 test is a simple, cost-effective, and efficient alternative for SARS-CoV-2 testing: Scientists from Northwell Health Laboratories have developed a new diagnostic multiplex assay that can be used for epidemiological surveillance and clinical management of COVID-19. The Northwell Health Laboratories [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/xA86yx | 19:26 |
| de-facto | I am not so sure about the situation in Germany, there barely is an impact from the Lockdown, surely no reversing of trends and the Ministers seem to not comply with Merkel about new containment measures | 19:37 |
| de-facto | to be honest i am a bit disappointed, schools are still open and contacts not reduced nearly enough to get it under control | 19:38 |
| de-facto | just look at countries where climate already is colder, namely Austria and Switzerland, their incidence exploded | 19:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Study reveals how smoking worsens COVID-19 infection in the airways: UCLA researchers using a model of airway tissue created from human stem cells have pinpointed how smoking cigarettes causes more severe infection by SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, in the airways of the lungs. → https://is.gd/47Zp8d | 19:39 |
| de-facto | (they are on elevated mountains hence its colder there already compared to Germany) | 19:39 |
| de-facto | I am not so optimistic actually i am sure containment in Germany right now is NOT enough to regain control | 19:39 |
| de-facto | they want to agree on new measures next week, and i dont understant why they did not already agree this Wednesday, they are wasting precious time | 19:40 |
| de-facto | I still think SARS-CoV-2 got strong seasonality hence i suspect a raise in Reproduction = Transmissibility * ContactRate * DurationOfBeingInfectious | 19:42 |
| de-facto | Transmissibility just is significantly raised in cold climates | 19:42 |
| de-facto | %title https://smw.ch/article/doi/smw.2020.20224 | 19:42 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From smw.ch: Swiss Medical Weekly - Potential impact of seasonal forcing on a SARS-CoV-2 pandemic | 19:42 |
| de-facto | old but still very true in my opinion | 19:43 |
| de-facto | Hint: HKU1/OC43 are also in the family of Beta-CoVs | 19:43 |
| LjL | i've added a mention of ##science to the topic because i've been there for a long time and the bot posts (sometimes) interesting scientific article, but there's a dearth of people who actually know about scientific matters there. so i end up rarely ever speaking, because i am a "fan" of science, so to say, but not a scientist or someone with a clue on most any article that gets posted | 19:44 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: ‘Saint’ Dolly Parton part-funded Moderna’s promising new coronavirus vaccine (10213 votes) | https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/11/17/dolly-parton-coronavirus-vaccine-funding-morderna-vanderbilt-centre-covid-19/ | https://redd.it/jvrels | 19:46 |
| LjL | yes we really just needed outbreaks of a bad strain of avian flu | 19:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Coronavirus: Inequalities in healthcare may explain worse outcomes for BAME people: With Britain now in its second lockdown, and the government predicting that the second wave could be worse than the first, it's critical to examine why there are large racial disparities in the effects of COVID-19 and what could be done to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/seejpt | 20:03 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.gisaid.org/references/gisaid-in-the-news/first-new-arrivals-of-hpai-h5-in-the-2020-2021-winter-in-the-eu/ | 20:07 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.gisaid.org: GISAID - First new arrivals of HPAI H5 in the 2020-2021 Winter in the EU | 20:07 |
| de-facto | "Highly pathogenic avian influenza viruses of the H5N8 and H5N1 subtypes were detected in the Netherlands in October 2020." | 20:08 |
| de-facto | i already posted this some weeks ago | 20:08 |
| de-facto | well we have to physically distance this winter anyhow, so that covers all respiratory diseases | 20:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Dr. Fauci says the Covid outbreak isn't a political issue: 'You can't run away from the data': "You can't run away from the data. It's incomprehensible to me how people are not seeing that," White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said. → https://is.gd/GjnrOq | 20:16 |
| de-facto | %title https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00134-012-2627-8 | 20:23 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From link.springer.com: The variability of critical care bed numbers in Europe | SpringerLink | 20:23 |
| de-facto | from 2012 but i guess still somewhat accurate | 20:23 |
| de-facto | %title https://www.sortiraparis.com/news/coronavirus/articles/217313-france-covid-map-november-16-icu-bed-occupancy-rate-per-region/lang/en | 20:33 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.sortiraparis.com: France Covid map, November 16, ICU bed occupancy rate per region - Sortiraparis.com | 20:33 |
| de-facto | " This Monday November 16, 2020, 96.9% of ICU beds are taken in France. And as of November 16, 99 departments are highly vulnerable. The entire country is on health emergency. France has entered a new lockdown until December 1, 2020 at least." | 20:33 |
| de-facto | ouch | 20:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Stanford University Appears To Distance Itself From Scott Atlas After 'Rise Up' Tweet: Atlas is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, a conservative-leaning think tank based at the university. He's currently on leave while he works as an adviser to President Trump. → https://is.gd/j0R9Qi | 20:40 |
| LjL | de-facto, i won't take lockdown and social distancing much for granted... Lombardy is already requesting to be de-red-zoned because ?????? even though we're still being the worst in the country. i bet for christmas they'll "free us all" for a while, and then like after summer, we'll suffer for it | 20:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: Dr. Fauci says the Covid outbreak isn't a political issue: 'You can't run away from the data': "You can't run away from the data. It's incomprehensible to me how people are not seeing that," White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said. → https://is.gd/GjnrOq | 20:53 |
| de-facto | LjL, how is the ICU beds situation in Italy going? | 20:55 |
| de-facto | Is there a website with an overview of current occupancy or such? | 20:57 |
| LjL | de-facto, i'm not sure about a website, ironically i know more things about other countries than mine... but they said we have enough ICU beds for now (Arcuri said we have 3 times the amount currently needed, which i think is absurdly high, in reality many of those beds can't be staffed, i suspect). however the problem is we don't have enough *regular* beds for people sick but not sick enough to go to ICU | 21:11 |
| LjL | also TV keeps airing a PSA asking for 450 retired doctors and other doctors to go to the region of Campania to help | 21:12 |
| LjL | so evidently they don't have enough medical personnel there | 21:12 |
| LjL | "regular beds" also means simply oxygen, which is simple but important, you know | 21:13 |
| LjL | i've already seen scenes with people just lying down in the corridors | 21:13 |
| LjL | like we saw in Madrid last spring :\ | 21:13 |
| LjL | also i'm currently hearing fireworks?! | 21:13 |
| LjL | i think i'm getting a migraine... my head hurts, light hurts my eyes, and i feel all wobbly | 21:15 |
| de-facto | Yeah i think personal is the shortage for most medical systems as other resources can be produces more quickly | 21:16 |
| de-facto | here its also not clear if the number of not yet occupied ICU beds is actually useable in terms of personal requirements | 21:16 |
| LjL | (sorry, i have to say it because i'm what they call a grammar nazi and i've noticed you saying this before: "personal" is an adjective, like a personal thing, while the people who do some work is the "personnel" :P) | 21:17 |
| de-facto | yeah of course, i am not a native speaker, i know i make many mistakes | 21:18 |
| LjL | we live we learn | 21:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: New study suggests mouthwash may quickly kill the coronavirus in human saliva: Commonly-used mouthwashes are able to kill the coronavirus within 30 seconds of exposure in laboratory conditions, a new study from scientists in the U.K. has found. → https://is.gd/0QNPUK | 21:18 |
| LjL | i find that in the european countries where movies are not normally dubbed, people tend to know much better english | 21:18 |
| LjL | so in the bigger countries, germany france italy spain, we kinda suck | 21:19 |
| de-facto | interesting about the normal beds getting full, that may be a forecast for ICU beds though as some constant part will start with normal beds then need a transfer to ICU | 21:19 |
| LjL | de-facto, possible, but keep in mind the sick were mostly younger this time than last spring | 21:19 |
| LjL | so there could definitely be a larger portion of people sick enough for hospital, but not sick enough for ICU | 21:19 |
| LjL | i hope they stay not sick enough for ICU! | 21:20 |
| LjL | (lol, i wrote "sick enough for IRC" and almost pressed enter... i really hope they don't get there) | 21:20 |
| de-facto | yes probably that will be reflected in a lower percentage of normal to icu transfers on all of normal covid hospitalizations | 21:20 |
| LjL | de-facto, apparently Milan is just not taking more people in its hospitals, so people who get sick in Milan now get taken to faraway places elsewhere in Lombardy, like i was told someone my mother knows was taken 130km away from Milan | 21:21 |
| LjL | that is worrying and sad, although, relatives can't visit them anyway, so... :\ | 21:21 |
| LjL | i wonder if i should be more proactive about things to do in case my parents need to get hospitalized. nobody wants to think about these things, but like, we should have a tablet with internet access ready maybe? | 21:21 |
| de-facto | yeah same for france i guess those are the regions with >100% occupancy | 21:22 |
| LjL | i've heard of so many people having their relatives die without even being able to talk to them :( | 21:22 |
| LjL | it's not something one wants to be thinking about, but if one does think about it, there could be ways to make it a bit better | 21:22 |
| de-facto | dont they have smartphones? | 21:22 |
| LjL | my mom does, my dad doesn't (and has no idea how to use them) | 21:22 |
| LjL | but also i have microG on mine, how would i make a video call for instance? she would tell me "use whatsapp" probably, and i don't have whatsapp. i'd install it given the special circumstance, but would it work with microG? i'm not really sure | 21:23 |
| de-facto | like with Skype or Jiitsi or even Conversations with XMPP (thats what i am using for video chatting with our own family server) | 21:23 |
| LjL | small details that should be tested before the situation is complicated | 21:23 |
| LjL | de-facto, yeah i've just never tried | 21:24 |
| LjL | de-facto, i should try, it's just, you know, it's an ugh think to say "mom let's test this, you know, in case you are hospitalized and die" | 21:24 |
| de-facto | i would not put it that negative, i just would say "we should be more careful and distance, hence lets use video chat" | 21:25 |
| LjL | my dad does have a smartphone i gave to him, but he uses it as a "brick", he doesn't even know how to unlock it. it's just to have Immuni running (the contact tracing app) | 21:26 |
| de-facto | they introduced the video jingle chat in Conversations in the first wave and i did setup my server to use it, it was quite a neat experience | 21:26 |
| de-facto | yeah i had to train them how to use it too, yet at some point the began to like it | 21:26 |
| LjL | oh | 21:26 |
| LjL | i have Conversations but i think i missed that addition | 21:27 |
| de-facto | you need coturn on server side | 21:27 |
| LjL | de-facto, it's partly my fault i think, i've said so many bad things about apps and how they steal your data etc etc that my dad has decided he just wants nothing to do with any of it. he's a bit like that, he hates talking on the phone to begin with | 21:27 |
| LjL | no idea, my own account is on jabber.org (old account! they don't accept new accounts since ages ago) | 21:28 |
| LjL | oh Matrix is another option, it does have video chat. i've only ever used audio, though | 21:29 |
| de-facto | i think its Xep215 on https://compliance.conversations.im/ if i remember correctly | 21:29 |
| de-facto | yeah matrix works too probably | 21:29 |
| LjL | i need to rest my eyes, i'm not sure what's happening to me but i feel all weird :\ i'll try to find something more definite about ICU bed occupation later | 21:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): American Airlines and British Airways are latest to offer preflight Covid tests to passengers → https://is.gd/XMJ5G9 | 21:31 |
| de-facto | LjL, take a rest and eat something good | 21:31 |
| de-facto | and drink some nice tea, i always drink Green Tea, but maybe that can also prevent someone from sleeping in the night (i am already used to it) | 21:32 |
| de-facto | when i feel not so good I go for a walk, then eat something properly and go for a shower then do rest | 21:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from PLOS ONE: Association of SARS-CoV-2 genomic load trends with clinical status in COVID-19: A retrospective analysis from an academic hospital center in New York City: by Ioannis M. Zacharioudakis, Fainareti N. Zervou, Prithiv J. Prasad, Yongzhao Shao, Atreyee Basu, Kenneth Inglima, Scott A. Weisenberg, Maria E. Aguero-Rosenfeld The Infectious [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/oTDBXz | 22:09 |
| de-facto | %title https://imgur.com/a/RblQywA https://i.imgur.com/0OzdNYi.png source https://www.intensivregister.de/#/intensivregister Tab "Zeitreihen" | 22:51 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19 Germany Daily change in occupied ICUs - Album on Imgur | 22:51 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, ^^ | 22:51 |
| de-facto | Change = ICU(date) - ICU(date - 1 day), Smoothed = SUM(Change(3 days before till 3 days after)) / 7 | 22:54 |
| the-wes | so with pfizer's 90% effective vaccine, and moderna's 94.5% effective vaccine, if I take both, does that give me 184.5% immunity? | 23:08 |
| ecks | math checks out | 23:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Ohio Governor Orders 3-Week Statewide Curfew As Coronavirus Cases Rise: The curfew will last from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. with exceptions for work, commuting, grocery shopping and contactless food services. → https://is.gd/orALDj | 23:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from CNBC Health: (news): Bill Gates says more than 50% of business travel will disappear in post-coronavirus world → https://is.gd/qpGcOc | 23:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: November 17, 2020 → https://is.gd/R1yBrF | 23:47 |
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