libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2020-11-27

Brainstorm	Updates for Arkansas, US: +2348 cases (now 152625), +11 deaths (now 2436) since a day ago	00:07
de-facto	nice website with the demographic heatmaps for COVID-19 incidence in Germany based on RKI data: https://corona-data.eu/en/	00:07
de-facto	%title	00:09
Brainstorm	de-facto: From corona-data.eu: Corona heatmaps per district and state \| Corona-Data.eu	00:09
de-facto	joerg, https://survstat.rki.de/Content/Query/Create.aspx	00:12
de-facto	https://survstat.rki.de/Content/Query/Main.aspx	00:18
joerg	de-facto: what the? this looks great. New?	00:19
de-facto	its the source of their heatmaps above	00:20
de-facto	it looks like a really cool interface for all kinds of disease data from RKI	00:21
de-facto	id guess its not new but i did not know about it before	00:21
Brainstorm	New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add heatmaps-based tracker for Germany → https://is.gd/wXNYuc	00:34
de-facto	hehe nice, it looks like they will publish their RStudio code in near future on github https://corona-data.eu/en/about/	00:46
de-facto	"All data are obtained weekly by the RKI via the SurvStat@RKI 2.0 protal and analysed/visualised using RStudio version 1.2.1335. For reasons of transparency the code be published as an open source file on GitHub in the near future."	00:46
de-facto	i wonder how they do their queries to SurvStat in an automated way	00:47
LjL	de-facto, if it were the US, they would have to publish it as open source. one of the few good laws in the US!	00:47
de-facto	well this is a private project afaik	00:47
LjL	isn't RKI kind of a government agency?	00:47
de-facto	ah yeah i meant that heatmap website	00:48
LjL	oh, the heatmap isn't run by the RKI?	00:48
LjL	i need to amend my link description then	00:48
de-facto	"There is no conflict of interest for all individuals involved in the project. All costs are covered by private funds. Furthermore, this project does not pursue any political agenda and has the sole purpose of making the official data sets available in a simple visualised form."	00:49
de-facto	survstat is from rki and thats official	00:50
LjL	yes	00:50
aggi	LjL: RKI is the central governmental institution to which all local health care institutions publish their data in Germany	00:52
LjL	i thought so, i was just checking. also i had assumed that corona-data.eu was by them and not just done using their data, without looking carefully	00:52
aggi	no, it seems to be a private person from Germany but not RKI itself who is responsbile for corona-data.eu	00:54
de-facto	awesome your website gets better with every commit :)	00:54
de-facto	this heatmap website is really useful because one can see where current outbreaks (weekly incidence normalized to 100k people hence comparable) is located demographically	00:55
Brainstorm	New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Amend German heatmap description → https://is.gd/NelZiM	00:58
de-facto	for example it looks like in my city the peak was in 15-19 year old around two weeks ago (hence i guess in schools or around them)	00:58
aggi	which is slightly irritating since strict face-mask regime was implemented in schools	01:03
Brainstorm	Updates for Canada: +4047 cases (now 352435), +68 deaths (now 11781) since 21 hours ago	01:07
LjL	about masks, i'll make tinwhiskers mad maybe, but i saw something that seemed slightly excessive earlier today...	01:08
LjL	<Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID-19 pandemic could be stopped if at least 70% public wore face masks consistently: Study → https://is.gd/5tDjZR	01:08
LjL	not sure if the bot posted it here	01:08
LjL	now come on, 90%? i could understand	01:08
LjL	but 70%? masks have been mandatory in Italy for ages now (well, what feels like ages), and even longer indoors (although schools have silly exceptions)	01:08
LjL	compliance is certainly more than 70%	01:09
LjL	and yet we had a large spike	01:09
ubLXI	i would swear the first time i saw that headline it said 90%	01:09
LjL	the spike was later and smaller than some other countries, so... did masks help? maybe, hard to tell	01:09
LjL	but they certainly didn't stop it	01:09
LjL	ubLXI, i remember seeing one with 90% a while ago, but it was a while	01:09
LjL	the article says "The research, published in the journal Physics of Fluids" - at least it mentions the journal. but nope, that's not the article linked ;(	01:10
aggi	the data even might support an opposing hypothesis: face-masks could pose a threat to public health similar to dirty handkerchiefs	01:11
LjL	one of these, i guess https://aip.scitation.org/action/doSearch?SeriesKey=phf&AllField=covid-19+masks&ConceptID=	01:11
LjL	aggi, what data? the recent inconclusive study could support either a benefit or some harm, indeed, but with a tendency towards benefit	01:11
LjL	so yeah, "might support" is technically correct	01:12
LjL	yet there is no particular reason to think that...	01:12
aggi	in the meantime here is some other credible source worth mentioning, the central institution responsible for publishing pharmacovigilance (drug safety) data:	01:14
aggi	https://www.bfarm.de/EN/Servicefunctions/RSS/rss_node.html	01:14
de-facto	%title https://imgur.com/a/isdhXdU https://i.imgur.com/pLlhRO8.png <-- this is the incidence in my city, looks like a peak in the young 15-19 occurred and was stopped then	01:16
Brainstorm	de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19: 7 Day Case Incidence - Album on Imgur	01:16
aggi	and there some pharmaceutical product is reported for ICU treatment which wasn't anywhere else: Dexamethason (Cortisol type)	01:18
LjL	nowhere else? i've definitely heard of dexamethasone being used. widely.	01:20
LjL	i'm sure others here have also	01:20
LjL	i will probably add the european equivalent of that although they have annoyingly many feeds, but https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/whats-new.xml is the most COVID-y	01:20
aggi	of cause, i am referring to the public newspapers and TV which praised some other experimental miracle medication	01:21
Brainstorm	Updates for Curacao: +117 cases (now 2046) since 23 hours ago	01:21
de-facto	%title https://publishing.aip.org/publications/latest-content/face-masks-slow-spread-of-covid-19-types-of-masks-length-of-use-matter/	01:21
Brainstorm	de-facto: From publishing.aip.org: Face Masks Slow Spread of COVID-19; Types of Masks, Length of Use Matter - AIP Publishing LLC	01:21
de-facto	%title https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0029767	01:21
de-facto	https://sci-hub.se/10.1063/5.0029767	01:21
ubLXI	had enough for the night	01:22
joerg	ta	01:24
LjL	de-facto, good catch	01:26
joerg	juat for reference: https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/corona-dexamethason-101.html 16.06.2020	01:28
de-facto	yeah i hate it when newspaper articles cant link to their sources	01:28
de-facto	e.g. thenewsspan.in	01:29
LjL	de-facto, i don't know what they're afraid of, that people will read the actual study instead of their article?	01:30
LjL	most people will still read their article because they won't understand the study	01:30
LjL	hell, i won't understand the study, almost certainly	01:31
LjL	(but i'll read the abstract over their article :P)	01:31
joerg	I'd think if Tagesschau (ARD) isn't public TV then what is?	01:31
de-facto	i am not sure why they dont link their sources, maybe they are afraid that they might have misunderstood something?	01:31
de-facto	yeah im talking about thenewsspan.in	01:31
LjL	de-facto, i don't know, they linked to the journal, it's a small step from there to the paper... just one i'm lazy to take :P	01:32
de-facto	and many other sites	01:32
de-facto	they even say its published hence peer reviewed	01:32
LjL	de-facto, joerg is referring to aggi re: dexamethasone not being mentioned by TV and media	01:32
de-facto	ah yeah	01:32
Brainstorm	Updates for Panama: +1755 cases (now 160287), +16 deaths (now 3018) since 23 hours ago — France: +10810 cases (now 2.2 million) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +3531 cases (now 504843), +56 deaths (now 9185) since 22 hours ago	01:35
joerg	the >>mainstream media is a lie. That's why I never watch/read them, instead I use the _real_ info from social media. A prrof of mainstream media being liars? I NEVER SEEN any mention of $dexamethasone in them<< makes me want to fetch the bazooka	01:37
de-facto	btw really interesting paper about validation of 7 commercial antigen quicktests by Drosten https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.12.20230292v1	01:39
de-facto	%title	01:39
Brainstorm	de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Comparison of seven commercial SARS-CoV-2 rapid Point-of-Care Antigen tests \| medRxiv	01:39
de-facto	yuriwho, ^^	01:42
joerg	are tose fools just damn lazy? Or damn strupid? Or nefarious?	01:42
joerg	de-facto: hah! thanks! toldya they were about to evaluate them, did I?	01:43
de-facto	yes he said for quite a while they are working on it	01:44
joerg	oh, sorry maybe I confused / mixed channels	01:44
LjL	i made a note in my commit log that i should probably make a section about "Diagnostics" in the site, since i've now divided Therapeutics and Vaccines into two	01:46
LjL	but i don't have much about diagnostics. maybe this can be a start	01:46
de-facto	those are just a few from the ones on the market https://antigentest.bfarm.de/ords/antigen/r/antigentests-auf-sars-cov-2/liste-der-antigentests	01:48
de-facto	https://www.dimdi.de/dynamic/de/medizinprodukte/datenbankrecherche/corona-tests-tabelle/	01:48
LjL	woah	01:48
LjL	that's quite the list	01:49
LjL	i have a list like that in english but it's not nearly as long	01:49
de-facto	i think its not really verified though, just from the manufacturers	01:49
LjL	i have https://www.finddx.org/covid-19/sarscov2-eval/	01:49
de-facto	https://www.dimdi.de/dynamic/de/medizinprodukte/datenbankrecherche/corona-tests-tabelle/corona-tests/	01:50
de-facto	oh how nice, there are more validations then :)	01:51
LjL	hm yeah in that case i guess it's most comparable to https://www.finddx.org/covid-19/pipeline/ when you select... actually they don't have a selection for antigen tests, but you can select "Rapid diagnostic tests" under format	01:51
LjL	de-facto, yes, but not so many	01:51
de-facto	yeah indeed	01:51
de-facto	just found that list with google	01:52
LjL	de-facto, do you know if bfarm also has similar pages about pcr tests and antibody tests?	01:52
de-facto	hmm good question	01:54
de-facto	cant find them so far	01:56
LjL	mein deutsch ist not so gut, trotz ich frage ebay kaüfern immer ob sie nach italien versenden :P	01:56
de-facto	hehe die freuen sich sicher wenn man sie auf Deutsch fragt :)	01:58
de-facto	yeah all i can find about ELISA is some retractions and safety info for some specific ones but not like a complete list or such	01:59
de-facto	LjL, btw have you looked at the links in https://www.dimdi.de/dynamic/de/medizinprodukte/datenbankrecherche/corona-tests-tabelle/corona-tests/ ?	02:00
de-facto	it seems those are for EU in english	02:00
LjL	de-facto, oh my god that's sending me back to jrc again	02:01
joerg	>><LjL> that's quite the list<< watch out, it's literally just listing existing and registered tests, this is by no means a certification of anything	02:01
LjL	i get lost in jrc	02:01
LjL	joerg, gotcha	02:02
joerg	or what de-facto said	02:02
LjL	i have a backlog of things to add to the list of links, in particular all those various databases of restrictive measures that we found	02:02
LjL	some of which are on jrc, i think	02:02
LjL	and the WHO putting them together, and... i had opened a bunch of pages a couple of days ago, then in the end i was too confused to add anything	02:02
de-facto	%title https://covid-19-diagnostics.jrc.ec.europa.eu/	02:03
Brainstorm	de-facto: From covid-19-diagnostics.jrc.ec.europa.eu: COVID-19 In Vitro Diagnostic Devices and Test Methods Database \| COVID-19 In Vitro Diagnostic Devices and Test Methods Database	02:03
joerg	>>if bfarm also has similar pages about pcr tests and antibody tests<< I _think_ I;ve seen antibody tests list as well	02:04
de-facto	%title https://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/40805	02:05
Brainstorm	de-facto: From ec.europa.eu: DocsRoom - European Commission	02:05
joerg	bfarm is the official entity for manufacturers of medical products to register those	02:06
joerg	sort of like CE for technical stuff	02:07
de-facto	yeah afaik they dont need to be certified only CE sign or such when they are not medication or similar	02:07
de-facto	yeah	02:07
de-facto	that is going to be changed though	02:07
joerg	registration means your doc may use this and get paid for it by your health insurance	02:08
de-facto	i heard that the tests need validation pretty soon, if i remember correctly something like in a year or such? it was mentioned in one of the podcasts i just dont remember which one anymore	02:08
tinwhiskers	LjL: yeah, I agree about masks. I doubt even if 100% of people wore them that alone would solve the problem.	02:08
joerg	hi tinwhiskers :)	02:09
tinwhiskers	What I moan about with mask talk is the anti maskers saying they don't help. The reality is they are somewhat helpful as part of reducing r_eff and since it's so simple not doing so is practically criminal.	02:11
LjL	joerg, de-facto: at the european level there is a CE mark that's specific, with specific rules, for medical devices	02:11
joerg	actually there seems to be no list of antibody tests etc on BFarm	02:20
the-wes	I haven't heard anyone remotely authoritative claim that masks _prevent_ transmission... all they've ever said is that it _reduces_ it	02:25
the-wes	slowing the spread is helpful in that it reduces load on the medical infrastructure. "flatten the curve" and so on	02:25
de-facto	in the most simple model assuming an N95 got 95% filter performance it would reduce the infection probability to 1/(100%-95%) = 1/20 hence raise the median exposure time until infection occurs by 20-fold or such?	02:29
de-facto	for N99/FFP3 it would be 1/100 probability or 100-fold exposure time	02:30
Brainstorm	New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Start "Diagnostics" section, with EU and German data plus the existin… → https://is.gd/WBrWyv	02:31
de-facto	meh my equation should have been 1/(100%-95%) = 1/5% = 1/0.05 = 20	02:31
ubLXI	well if you go maskless into an indoor space with high concentration of airborne virus, your probability of infection isn't 100%	02:31
de-facto	like yeah i mean relative to the previous probability	02:31
ubLXI	and factor in the effect of everyone wearing masks, ie double masking	02:32
de-facto	N95 reducing the probability to 1/20 hence requiring 20-fold the exposure time to reach the same infection probability as without mask in the same environment	02:32
de-facto	yeah if they are without vent indeed	02:32
ubLXI	would be nice if we could rely on such double masking everywhere	02:32
LjL	the-wes, i agree, i think the authors of this study went too far making that 70% claim based on just their flow dynamics measurements...	02:32
Brainstorm	Updates for New Zealand: +7 cases (now 2047) since 23 hours ago	02:35
de-facto	%title https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0025556420300560	02:36
Brainstorm	de-facto: From www.sciencedirect.com: Mathematical assessment of the impact of non-pharmaceutical interventions on curtailing the 2019 novel Coronavirus - ScienceDirect	02:36
LjL	tinwhiskers, i spy with my little eye a tiny but exponential growth in NZ	02:36
de-facto	https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.mbs.2020.108364	02:37
de-facto	so thats the paper they cite in they Fluid Dynamics paper about the 70% claim	02:37
LjL	i wish she didn't keep waving me hello from the bottom left of that site :P	02:37
de-facto	(its not a claim of the Fluid Dynamics paper afaik)	02:37
LjL	ah	02:37
LjL	well, anyway, i say that Italy proves them wrong	02:39
LjL	don't know about other countries, don't know what the compliance is, but i think i can say with some confidence that it's over 70% here in most situations	02:40
de-facto	i think it always depends on circumstances, e.g. if their claim is about NY at a specific time it might not directly be transportable to other locations (because of differenc circumstances)	02:40
LjL	well NY is dense and cramped, it's a pretty "extreme" setting	02:41
LjL	if it works in NY it should work in Milan	02:41
de-facto	but if circumstances are similar maybe a similar statement with slightly different numbers can be derived from models specific for another place?	02:41
de-facto	it probably depends on many factors, such as where most risk contacts take place and duration and characteristic of such contacts, temp and air exchange, (weighted) distribution of contact rates over population etc	02:43
Brainstorm	New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add Drosten validation of 7 tests → https://is.gd/I3SNH9	02:43
de-facto	maybe even little things like air ventilation in public transports and stuff like that	02:43
de-facto	(purely speculation though)	02:43
de-facto	gn8 gotta get some sleep	02:46
joerg	de-facto: >>1/100 probability or 100-fold exposure time<< slightly incorrect. streching the administration time of an amount X of a pathogen to 100fold doesn't reduce the probability to just a 1/100 but much more, since your immune system and other factors "consume" it without it reaching the pathogenic threshold	02:52
joerg	actually I think FFP3 are considered 100% safe against virus infection, up to a 30fold "over"concentration	02:58
joerg	I.E. you never will consume sufficient amount of virus to get infected, no matter how long you're exposed	02:59
joerg	my take on it, please don't take this as authoritative	02:59
joerg	risk assessment from "failures in mask seals" etc are aniother topic	03:01
joerg	put plain, if without mask in a particular situation you have a 50% risk to catch the infection with 15 minutes, then with a FFP3 you;re considered safe from catching it no matter how long you stay in this situation	03:09
LjL	%keywords antigen valid	03:14
Brainstorm	LjL, https://www.finddx.org/covid-19/pipeline/ (SARS-CoV-2 diagnostic pipeline) is an extensive list of available tests, searchable and exportable by type, as well as an independent https://www.finddx.org/covid-19/sarscov2-eval/ (validation of SARS-CoV-2 assays) with results for molecular (PCR) tests as well as preliminary results for antigen ("quick") and antibody tests [... want %more?]	03:14
joerg	:) ta	03:14
LjL	%keywords germany	03:14
Brainstorm	LjL, https://corona.rki.de (Robert Koch-Institut's COVID-19-Dashboard) for Germany — https://corona-data.eu/en/ (SARS-CoV2 infection cases as heatmaps for Germany), also from RKI data (see #feeds (API and feeds) section for details) [... want %more?]	03:14
LjL	it just greps the links site	03:15
joerg	LjL: noticed https://survstat.rki.de/Content/Query/Chart.aspx ?	03:15
joerg	courtesy de-facto	03:16
LjL	joerg, it gives me "session expired", you probably had a specific query?	03:17
joerg	umm yeah	03:17
joerg	https://survstat.rki.de/Content/Query/Create.aspx	03:18
LjL	i did notice that one generally	03:18
LjL	%keywords create.aspx	03:18
Brainstorm	LjL, https://survstat.rki.de/Content/Query/Create.aspx (SurvStat@RKI 2.0) lets you create arbitrary queries on official German case data, with the query format described https://survstat.rki.de/Content/Query/Main.aspx (here)	03:18
LjL	"%keywords" is not a great command name for this, i've made it also %links or %link	03:19
LjL	%links antibody	03:20
Brainstorm	LjL, https://unherd.com/2020/04/how-far-away-are-immunity-passports/ (How far away are ‘immunity passports’?), an article explaining the probability theory pitfalls of random-sample antibody tests [... want %more?]	03:20
LjL	now with stemming	03:25
LjL	%links antigens validationings	03:25
Brainstorm	LjL, https://www.finddx.org/covid-19/pipeline/ (SARS-CoV-2 diagnostic pipeline) is an extensive list of available tests, searchable and exportable by type, as well as an independent https://www.finddx.org/covid-19/sarscov2-eval/ (validation of SARS-CoV-2 assays) with results for molecular (PCR) tests as well as preliminary results for antigen ("quick") and antibody tests [... want %more?]	03:25
LjL	%link antibody testing	03:25
Brainstorm	LjL, Sorry, nothing found. Try with broader keywords	03:25
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LjL	%cases italy	03:41
Brainstorm	LjL: In Italy, there have been 1.5 million confirmed cases (2.5% of the population) and 52850 deaths (3.5% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 21.2 million tests were performed (7.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 7.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy for time series data.	03:41
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: Rome airport poised to try ‘COVID tested” flights from US → https://is.gd/C7D2SQ	03:45
metreo	.cases Canada	03:55
Brainstorm	metreo: In Canada, there have been 353097 confirmed cases (0.9% of the population) and 11799 deaths (3.3% of cases) as of an hour ago. 11.2 million tests were performed (3.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.0% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 4.0% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Canada for time series data.	03:55
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: Britain asks regulator to assess Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine → https://is.gd/IxNdsB	03:57
Brainstorm	Updates for Belgium: +2565 cases (now 567532), +142 deaths (now 16219) since 21 hours ago	04:36
gigasu_shida	hope Lombardy region is going okay ljl =)	04:42
LjL	gigasu_shida, it's ups and downs, Lombardy is still contributing a significant amount of cases and even more deaths to Italy in general, but it's all kinda slowly and unconvincingly going down. well, the deaths aren't, yet, but the cases are. the ICU admissions are also decreasing, which is good, although the current limit that's getting hit in hospitals is general beds, not ICU beds	04:45
LjL	i just look at the numbers. i'm stuck at home. i haven't seen the outside in weeks.	04:45
gigasu_shida	have had any medical appointments since March?	04:46
LjL	http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy;Lombardia&cumulative=no&smooth=yes should give you an idea what's happening to case curves	04:46
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: Sao Paulo may use Sinovac vaccine without Brazil regulator’s approval, governor says → https://is.gd/Wcr9Ec	04:46
LjL	gigasu_shida, no not me personally, i went to the doctor sometimes to grab prescriptions but they had been printed beforehand as we arrange things over the telephone, i've gone to the pharmacy sometimes, that's about it. now my dad needs to go to the dentist because a crown came off, and both he and me should do some blood tests but i think we'll postpone them. my sister needs to go to to hospital regularly to get her monoclonal antibody treatment.	04:47
LjL	oh well i went to the dentist once, actually, they were all wearing two masks there	04:47
LjL	(i had nothing, just a painful tooth for no actual reason)	04:47
gigasu_shida	i need to see the dentist also but i've been scared	04:47
gigasu_shida	sorry to hear about your sister	04:48
LjL	my sister has nothing too dramatic, it's "just" very annoying and distracting, to the point of disabling when it's bad... it's atopic dermatitis, imagine your whole body swelling up and itching like mad	04:49
gigasu_shida	i just worry that so many people are losing their health because they're either too scared to go to the doctor/dentist or feel like they're burdening the system by going to the doc	04:49
LjL	initially she was taking an immunosuppressant to deal with it, but when COVID came, for obvious reason they took her off that	04:49
LjL	gigasu_shida, for what it's worth, i've read that dentists are one of the places where the fewest infections occur	04:49
LjL	(ryouma may like to hear that too)	04:49
LjL	but of course it will depend on the individual dentist and situation...	04:50
gigasu_shida	i've never heard of monoclonal antibody treatment for atopic dermatitis	04:50
gigasu_shida	my aunt had that and they never talked about antibodies	04:50
gigasu_shida	but it went away on its own after taking some steroids	04:51
gigasu_shida	it was very strange	04:51
gigasu_shida	but she got shingles after taking steroids, which was pretty bad	04:51
gigasu_shida	anyways, gonna go grab some tea, bbl	04:51
LjL	gigasu_shida, a steroid is similar to an immunosuppressant i guess, but in my sister's case that wasn't enough, right now i don't remember the name of the immunosuppressant she got, but it was a little scary, as it's something they don't even use for people with organ transplants any longer as there are safer alternatives	04:54
LjL	and yeah shingles is awful and i recommend getting a vaccine for that if possible	04:55
LjL	there are two vaccines, Shingrix is the one to get, even though it has more side effects, Zostavax isn't so efficacious. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoster_vaccine	04:55
LjL	unfortunately i don't think we can get Shringrix here yet	04:55
LjL	i was also surprised about the monoclonal antibody treatment, it's incredibly expensive, and yet it's all paid for by public healthcare	04:56
LjL	she was probably lucky she ended up finding a hospital that provides that treatment (she was referred to by a friend who also has atopic dermatitis)	04:56
LjL	i bet in most other places they'd tell you to scratch yourself harder :P	04:56
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health: Singapore's co-developed vaccine candidate is in 'good shape' for delivery in 2021: Positive results were announced by Singapore's Covid vaccine candidate ARCT-021, developed by Arcturus Therapeutics together with Duke-NUS Medical School. → https://is.gd/u9fZLy	05:47
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: Joe Biden, Donald Trump spend quiet Thanksgiving close to home as pandemic rages → https://is.gd/7NCqpX	06:11
tinwhiskers	LjL: yes a few more cases arrived in quarantine in NZ so there's currently 63 active cases at the quarantine facility! There's also 3 community cases outside quarantine so it will be interesting to see if they can contact trace those into oblivion again.	06:13
tinwhiskers	7 new cases arrived to NZ today	06:13
tinwhiskers	but anything that looks like exponential growth is just additional arrivals, so really just down to chance.	06:13
tinwhiskers	Obviously quarantine is not somewhere I want to be!	06:14
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express (Health): Art and Culture: ‘Our pandemic response strategy has three main pillars: lives, livelihoods and life after COVID’ → https://is.gd/i0hXVL	06:24
Brainstorm	Updates for Ukraine: +15623 cases (now 695755), +234 deaths (now 12091) since a day ago — Germany: +21951 cases (now 1.0 million) since 19 hours ago — Curacao, Netherlands: +117 cases (now 2046) since a day ago — US: +109040 cases (now 13.2 million), +1298 deaths (now 269560) since 22 hours ago	07:08
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health: Coronavirus mutations do not appear to be helping it spread more rapidly, study says: It comes as drugmakers and research centers scramble to deliver a safe and effective vaccine to help bring an end to the coronavirus pandemic. → https://is.gd/AEj1U9	07:13
Brainstorm	Updates for Saint Petersburg, Russia: +3669 cases (now 111133), +79 deaths (now 5217) since 23 hours ago — Saxony, Germany: +2165 cases (now 49855), +80 deaths (now 800) since 23 hours ago — Moscow Oblast, Russia: +1022 cases (now 106770), +22 deaths (now 1987) since 23 hours ago — Cherkasy Oblast, Ukraine: +842 cases (now 20668), +4 deaths (now 180) since 23 hours ago	07:22
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: Russia’s Sputnik V developers call on AstraZeneca to try combining vaccines → https://is.gd/21qlXa	07:25
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: WHO’s Ryan sees progressive control of COVID-19 in 2021, cautions on Christmas → https://is.gd/hyFHjB	07:36
CoronaBot	04/r/covid19: NVX-CoV2373 vaccine protects cynomolgus macaque upper and lower airways against SARS-CoV-2 challenge (84 votes) \| https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X20313736?via%3Dihub \| https://redd.it/k1t8yw	07:40
de-facto[m]	That is an interesting paper, i wonder how they ensure sorrect orientattion of s-protein immhne system provocation	07:49
Brainstorm	New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: Monkbot: Monkbot: Task 18 (cosmetic): eval 29 templates: del empty params (17×); hyphenate params (7×); del \|url-status= (4×); cvt lang vals (2×); → https://is.gd/74bzDF	07:49
gigasu_shida	Shingrix has to take top prize for pharma name...hilarious	07:49
Brainstorm	Updates for Taiwan: +14 cases (now 639) since 23 hours ago	07:50
Brainstorm	Updates for Georgia: +4780 cases (now 123470), +37 deaths (now 1161) since a day ago	08:08
de-facto[m]	I guess with their Matrix-M Adjuvant tech sci-hub.se/10.1586/14760584.2013.814822	08:19
de-facto[m]	https://www.novavax.com/our-unique-technology	08:25
de-facto[m]	looks like its working well with other pathogen https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5899102/	08:26
Brainstorm	New from EMA: What's new: General: Treatments and vaccines for COVID-19 → https://is.gd/wI8PHs	08:39
gigasu_shida	de-facto[m]: as far as the US goes, covid-19 is as bad as the 1918 flu	08:46
gigasu_shida	in 1918 about 670,000 people died when the US population was around 105M	08:47
gigasu_shida	so if we adjust that for a population of 330M that's like 2M dead people	08:47
gigasu_shida	if we were to take fewer safety measures to tackle viral spread and had less gov support (as was the case in 1918 probably) i could easily see 2M occurring as the virus burns its way thru the population	08:49
gigasu_shida	2M deaths	08:49
de-facto[m]	I would be careful with such comparisons because its a completely different pathogen, e.g. the "spanish flu" influenza also caused very rapid severe progressions in younger people etc. Also times were different back then, all circumstances starting from peoples knowledge and behavior and nutrition over demographics to medical system and many others. I mean yeah both pandemics are quite severe, but i dont see the	09:01
de-facto[m]	benefit of comparing, e.g. which conclusions to draw from this? Many conclusions probably are not correct due to too many differences...	09:01
Brainstorm	New from EMA: What's new: General: Guidance for medicine developers and other stakeholders on COVID-19 → https://is.gd/bb9aBG	09:02
Brainstorm	Updates for Russia: +27543 cases (now 2.2 million), +496 deaths (now 38558) since 23 hours ago — Lithuania: +2338 cases (now 56095), +22 deaths (now 471) since 23 hours ago	09:07
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Russia says India to produce 100 million doses of Sputnik vaccine: One of the developers of Russia's Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine announced Friday that India-based drugmaker Hetero will produce over 100 million doses of the jab. → https://is.gd/1oK4MA	09:14
CoronaBot	04/r/coronavirus: As Americans prepare to gather for Thanksgiving, the world watches with dread and disbelief (10223 votes) \| https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/11/25/covid-world-reaction-us-thanksgiving/ \| https://redd.it/k1r8rn	09:17
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: South Korea foils North Korea’s attempt to hack COVID-19 vaccine makers → https://is.gd/qGs2FQ	09:27
Brainstorm	Updates for Indonesia: +5828 cases (now 522581), +169 deaths (now 16521) since 23 hours ago	09:36
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: UK asks regulator to study AstraZeneca vaccine: The British government said on Friday it has asked its independent medicines regulator to assess AstraZeneca's coronavirus vaccine as part of the formal approval process for the drug to be rolled out by the end of the year. → https://is.gd/S2hSzv	09:39
zutt	%cases US	09:40
Brainstorm	zutt: In US, there have been 13.2 million confirmed cases (4.0% of the population) and 269597 deaths (2.0% of cases) as of 45 minutes ago. 187.1 million tests were performed (7.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.	09:40
de-facto	joerg, yeah it was just meant as most simple "worst case scenario" estimate without considering drain or "consumption" by the native non-specific immune system of naive susceptible	09:47
de-facto	at least filter performance is more easily measurable (by the certification process i guess?) compared to establishing a secure "lower threshold" for the drain by native non-specific immune system consumption	09:50
Brainstorm	New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): MenQuadfi, meningococcal group A, C, W-135 and Y conjugate vaccine, Meningitis, Meningococcal, Date of authorisation: 18/11/2020, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/2qXcLo	10:04
de-facto	actually that is quite an interesting question, the infection threshold dose for different pathogen, probably strongly depending on their replication efficiency (i.e. by which factor they can replicate in one generation replication cycle) also related to disease severity trajectory e.g. from asymptomatic to severely symptomatic progressions	10:05
de-facto	interestingly the studies of comparing front line healthcare workers with surrounding population prevalence seem to go in both directions, for healthcare workers lower prevalence https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2769442 as well as increased risk https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(20)30164-X/fulltext	10:14
de-facto	so maybe it means that it is possible to get proper protection from PPE (lower prevalence) but that it is not always implemented correctly (higher risk)?	10:15
de-facto	%title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.30.20215335v2	10:23
Brainstorm	de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Innate immunity plays a key role in controlling viral load in COVID-19: mechanistic insights from a whole-body infection dynamics model \| medRxiv	10:23
de-facto	joerg, ^^ seems there are already models for this drain of consumption	10:23
Brainstorm	New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Veterinary medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Purevax RCPCh, vaccine against feline viral rhinotracheitis, feline calicivirosis, feline panleucopenia and feline Chlamydophila infections, Date of authorisation: 22/02/2005, Revision: 15, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/xaT5Vj	10:29
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health: Britain tries to cool AstraZeneca concerns as its CEO touts a new vaccine trial: Britain has asked its medicine regulator to assess the vaccine for a temporary supply, which could mean it's rolled out in the country before the end of the year. → https://is.gd/Wv1nlW	11:07
Brainstorm	Updates for Finland: +618 cases (now 23766) since a day ago	11:08
de-facto	%cases Germany	11:19
Brainstorm	de-facto: In Germany, there have been 1.0 million confirmed cases (1.2% of the population) and 15767 deaths (1.5% of cases) as of 4 hours ago. 27.9 million tests were performed (3.7% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany for time series data.	11:19
de-facto	RKI Germany: Infections +22806 (1006394 total), Fatalities +426 (15586 total), ICU beds occupied by COVID-19 3849 (2300 on ventilator, 59.76%)	11:19
de-facto	that is not good, we still urgently need more containment than government was able to implement	11:20
de-facto	Occupied ICU beds still on the raise, that is UNACCEPTABLE	11:21
de-facto	https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/WvhXR/47/	11:21
de-facto	i wonder if they will understand at some point that we need a lockdown and close schools	11:21
Brainstorm	New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Veterinary medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Purevax RCP, vaccine against feline viral rhinotracheitis, feline calicivirosis and feline panleucopenia, Date of authorisation: 23/02/2005, Revision: 15, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/rZOw7i	11:31
Brainstorm	Updates for Iran: +14051 cases (now 922397), +406 deaths (now 47095) since 22 hours ago — Croatia: +4080 cases (now 119706), +48 deaths (now 1600) since a day ago — Jersey: +35 cases (now 897) since a day ago	11:50
Brainstorm	Updates for Azerbaijan: +3712 cases (now 109813), +35 deaths (now 1291) since 21 hours ago — Switzerland: +4312 cases (now 318290), +114 deaths (now 4532) since 23 hours ago — Germany: +378 deaths (now 15792) since 21 hours ago	12:08
Brainstorm	New from BMJ: Ethnic minority doctors are less likely than white colleagues to report workplace improvements during pandemic: Doctors from ethic minority groups were less likely than white colleagues to experience improved team working and knowledge sharing during the first wave of the covid-19 pandemic, a report by the... → https://is.gd/uf5yJw	12:08
Brainstorm	New from ProPublica: A State Prosecutor Was Fired for Speaking Out Against Jail Time for People Who Fall Behind on Rent: by Maya Miller and Ellis Simani ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. An Arkansas prosecutor has been fired after speaking out [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/OMtBFq	12:20
Brainstorm	Updates for Palestine: +1936 cases (now 80429), +9 deaths (now 689) since 23 hours ago	12:22
Brainstorm	New from ECDC: Communicable disease threats report, 22-28 November 2020, week 48: The ECDC Communicable Disease Threats Report (CDTR) is a weekly bulletin for epidemiologists and health professionals on active public health threats. This issue covers the period 22-28 November 2020 and includes updates on COVID-19, cholera, dengue, seasonal influenza [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/7y7Rs2	12:32
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express (Health): Fitness: Meet the Indian mountaineer, 24, who completed solo Ironman triathlon in pandemic → https://is.gd/WpJp7i	13:09
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: Oxford Covid vaccine: Regulator asked to assess jab: The referral is "a significant first step" to a possible rollout of the vaccine, the government says. → https://is.gd/WBIZPc	13:21
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Taking proper sick leave has never been more crucial. So why are people still 'soldiering on' at work?: New South Wales premier Gladys Berejiklian, who last week carried on working for up to two hours while awaiting the results of a rapid COVID test, wasn't the first Australian to "soldier on" in the face of health concerns and [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/6n4AAR	13:46
Brainstorm	New from BMJ: Covid-19: GPs have “stepped up” in time of national crisis, says profession’s leader: GPs have gone the extra mile to support their patients during the covid-19 pandemic and deserve praise for their efforts, the chair of the BMA’s GP committee has said.Speaking at the 2020 annual... → https://is.gd/qfzou0	13:59
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Keep cool: Germany preps vaccine drive as COVID cases hit 1M: Hulking gray boxes are rolling off the production line at a factory in the southern town of Tuttlingen, ready to be shipped to the front in the next phase of Germany's battle against the coronavirus as it became the latest country to hit the milestone of 1 million [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/jB8RaQ	14:12
rpifan	hm	14:28
Brainstorm	Updates for US: +108176 cases (now 13.3 million), +1264 deaths (now 269628) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +4598 cases (now 508866), +83 deaths (now 9267) since 23 hours ago	14:36
Brainstorm	New from BMJ: Covid-19: UK government asks regulator to assess Oxford vaccine as questions are raised over interim data: The UK government has asked the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) to evaluate whether the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca vaccine can be authorised for temporary supply... → https://is.gd/y48b7S	14:37
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: R number for UK below 1 for first time since August: Scientific advisers to the government estimate the epidemic is no longer growing. → https://is.gd/610AHa	14:49
Brainstorm	Updates for Belarus: +1621 cases (now 131633), +8 deaths (now 1136) since a day ago — Germany: +386 deaths (now 15803) since 23 hours ago	14:50
Brainstorm	New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Post - November 27 \| Questions, images, videos, comments, unconfirmed reports, theories, suggestions → https://is.gd/7qeuKL	15:01
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: R number for UK below 1 for first time since August: Scientific advisers to the government estimate the epidemic is no longer growing. → https://is.gd/610AHa	15:26
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health: Pentagon sees uptick in coronavirus cases in military as major holidays approach: The Pentagon also recorded more than 1,300 new confirmed cases of Covid-19 among the sister service branches, a new record for the military in a 24-hour period. → https://is.gd/pHXImh	15:51
Brainstorm	New from EMA: News and press releases: (news): Global regulators urge continuation of COVID-19 vaccine trials for longer-term safety and efficacy follow-up, , 27/11/2020 → https://is.gd/EuulwB	16:04
Brainstorm	Updates for Serbia: +7780 cases (now 155994), +57 deaths (now 1423) since a day ago	16:07
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Cyprus announces uniform 8-hour virus curfew, ends local lockdowns: Cyprus on Friday announced it would lift lockdowns in two key coastal cities but impose a nationwide eight-hour night-time curfew among other uniform restrictions to tackle rising coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/KdH54l	16:28
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Tougher COVID rules for Wales, weeks after leaving lockdown: Wales will introduce more stringent restrictions in an attempt to bring down rising coronavirus infection rates ahead of an easing of the rules over Christmas, the devolved government said Friday. → https://is.gd/Xv2gfx	16:41
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: R number for UK below 1 for first time since August: Scientific advisers to the government estimate the coronavirus epidemic is no longer growing. → https://is.gd/610AHa	16:53
CoronaBot	04/r/covid19: Oxford/AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine: MHRA statement confirming letter received (84 votes) \| https://www.gov.uk/government/news/oxfordastrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-mhra-statement-confirming-letter-received \| https://redd.it/k1yqdf	16:56
Brainstorm	Updates for Canada: +4530 cases (now 354952), +56 deaths (now 11819) since 22 hours ago	17:07
Brainstorm	New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Prevenar 13, pneumococcal polysaccharide conjugate vaccine (13-valent, adsorbed), Pneumococcal Infections,Immunization, Date of authorisation: 09/12/2009, Revision: 39, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/rEQxR0	17:18
Brainstorm	Updates for Italy: +28342 cases (now 1.5 million), +827 deaths (now 53677) since a day ago	17:21
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health: (news): Long lines for Covid testing not going away any time soon, Summit CityMD CEO says: 'We are being inundated' → https://is.gd/gUUh1T	17:31
IndoAnon	de-facto: Nuh, they are not reasonable	17:36
IndoAnon	Check the austrian number	17:36
de-facto	huh?	17:40
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: R number for UK below 1 for first time since August: Scientific advisers to the government estimate the coronavirus epidemic is no longer growing. → https://is.gd/610AHa	17:43
Brainstorm	Updates for United Kingdom: +12805 cases (now 1.6 million), +471 deaths (now 57551) since 10 hours ago	17:53
Brainstorm	New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: [CROSSPOST] We are Professors Tracy Hussell, Sheena Cruickshank, and John Grainger. We are experts in immunology - working on COVID-19 - and work at The University of Manchester. Ask us anything! → https://is.gd/QBYcSd	17:55
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health: (news): Long lines for Covid testing not going away anytime soon, Summit CityMD CEO says: 'We are being inundated' → https://is.gd/gUUh1T	18:07
Brainstorm	Updates for Sri Lanka: +473 cases (now 22501), +8 deaths (now 107) since 22 hours ago	18:21
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Russian army starts mass coronavirus vaccination campaign: Russia's military has started a mass coronavirus vaccination campaign which aims to innoculate more than 400,000 servicemen, Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu announced on Friday. → https://is.gd/uXJ20n	18:33
Brainstorm	New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: Ergo Sum: link: link ← Previous revision Revision as of 17:43, 27 November 2020 Line 1: Line 1: {{short description\|Outbreak of a mutated variant of the SARS-CoV-2}} {{short description\|Outbreak of a mutated variant of the SARS-CoV-2}} − "'''Cluster 5'''" is the name given to a mutated variant of the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF	18:45
Brainstorm	New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: Ergo Sum: /* Timeline */ add sub-headers: Timeline: add sub-headers ← Previous revision Revision as of 17:45, 27 November 2020 Line 15: Line 15: == Timeline == == Timeline == + + === Discovery === On 4 November 2020, Prime Minister of Denmark [[Mette Frederiksen]] stated that a mutated coronavirus was being [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF	18:57
Brainstorm	Updates for Spain: +8348 cases (now 1.6 million), +294 deaths (now 44668) since 22 hours ago — Arizona, US: +4312 cases (now 318638), +20 deaths (now 6588) since a day ago	19:07
CoronaBot	04/r/coronavirus: As thousands of athletes get coronavirus tests, nurses wonder: What about us? (10263 votes) \| https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/11/27/nurses-athletes-sports-coronavirus-tests/ \| https://redd.it/k2268q	19:09
Brainstorm	New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: Ergo Sum: /* Political consequences */ cite: Political consequences: cite ← Previous revision Revision as of 18:04, 27 November 2020 Line 28: Line 28: ==== Political consequences ==== ==== Political consequences ==== − It was revealed in late November that the [[Minister for Food, Agriculture and Fisheries [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF	19:09
Brainstorm	New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: Ergo Sum: /* Political consequences */ later deal: Political consequences: later deal ← Previous revision Revision as of 18:14, 27 November 2020 Line 28: Line 28: ==== Political consequences ==== ==== Political consequences ==== − It was revealed in late November that the [[Minister for Food, Agriculture and [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF	19:21
LjL	Lombardy and other regions are officially going back from "red" to "orange" zones starting Sunday, apparently	19:45
LjL	that means the lockdown ends, basically. there will still be a curfew.	19:46
joerg	congrats?	19:46
LjL	joerg, not really	19:46
LjL	i doubt it's going to be a good thing	19:46
LjL	schools will also restart i think	19:46
joerg	eeew	19:46
LjL	meanwhile, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-birdflu-norway-idUSKBN28729O	19:46
IndoAnon	LjL: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971220305609	19:47
joerg	the ffffff	19:47
Atque	Australia is officially going to no lockdown at all and beers with Christmas in summer, because a big ocean is useful for keeping COVID-19 out.	19:47
joerg	being south hemisphere helps too	19:48
LjL	IndoAnon, looks a bit over my head	19:48
Atque	Falun Gong says China is getting COVID-19 and declaring states of emergency because it's getting bad there apparently.	19:48
Atque	joerg: Is Brazil going well?	19:48
IndoAnon	Yeah, that's why I'm forwarding it to you... Maybe tag geneticist you know	19:50
LjL	not a geneticist, but closest i have! except contingo who is not in the mood for COVID stuff	19:51
IndoAnon	haha, i know yuriwho.... In my defense, the authors doesn't divide the discussion paragraph to chunks... It looks like alphabet soup to me	19:53
LjL	i was wrong, schools are only opening up to 3rd year of middle school, not generally	19:59
LjL	IndoAnon, when i can't even make sense of the abstract, it's dire	19:59
mother	LjL: do you think curfews are effective?	20:04
LjL	no	20:04
LjL	i think they "squeeze" more people into smaller timeframes	20:04
LjL	it may depend on when they start	20:04
LjL	if they start at 8pm or 9pm, then maybe people won't even go out	20:04
LjL	but in italy they've had 11pm or 10pm, and i feel that just makes people move their eating and drinking to earlier hours	20:05
LjL	although restaurants and pubs must close at 18:00 so not really, but, that's a separate thing	20:05
IndoAnon	Well, it supposedly avoid people getting too tired	20:06
LjL	that's not a goal i've even heard for it, but, i suppose as a secondary not-so-intentional effect...	20:06
yuriwho	the paper is trying to correlate associations between the frequencies of MHC alleles and a mutation in ORF8 with potential severity of disease. They do not conclude anything beyond "this is worth studying further". I agree it's worth studying but I do not expect any clear results unless they start correlating actual severity of disease with MHC alleles in patients and viral genomes. IMO this is unlikely to get funded	20:06
IndoAnon	Indoor malls in here usually closed at 2100 to 2130... Now, it's closed at 2000 and 2100(weekend)	20:06
IndoAnon	Yea, it's quite funny	20:07
Brainstorm	New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: Ergo Sum: link: link ← Previous revision Revision as of 19:09, 27 November 2020 Line 1: Line 1: {{short description\|Outbreak of a mutated variant of the SARS-CoV-2}} {{short description\|Outbreak of a mutated variant of the SARS-CoV-2}} − "'''Cluster 5'''" is the name given to a mutated variant of the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF	20:10
Brainstorm	Updates for Turkey: +37201 cases (now 548244) since 2 hours ago	20:21
joerg	yuriwho: many thanks!	20:21
Brainstorm	New from Retraction Watch: Johns Hopkins student newspaper deletes, then retracts, article on faculty member’s presentation about COVID-19 deaths: A student newspaper at Johns Hopkins has retracted an article claiming that COVID-19 has had “relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.” The article, “A closer look at U.S. deaths due to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/g0Q4al	20:22
mother	LjL: what do you think about indoors dining, in general	20:29
LjL	mother, i think it's a bad idea	20:29
LjL	restaurants and such should be supported using tax money from companies who do make more money, instead of less, at this time	20:29
LjL	such as online retailers	20:29
LjL	but they should stay closed	20:30
metreo	^+1	20:32
mother	LjL: here, they are saying it's a controlled environment, hence 'safer than other things'	20:32
metreo	the majority of our hot spots are bars and resturants	20:32
metreo	by far	20:33
LjL	yes, there are studies easily suggesting that	20:33
LjL	"safer than other things" is bullshit	20:33
LjL	it's safer than kissing a confirmed COVID case, i'll give you that	20:33
metreo	grocery stores are second but that is mostly sick people who happened to be passing through	20:34
mother	LjL: our state is based on tourism, only money would have to come from the GOP Federales	20:34
metreo	I don't get the sense that people are getting infected at grocery stores	20:34
metreo	but infected people are going to them	20:34
LjL	i don't know, a lot of random touching goes on at grocery stores	20:34
LjL	i feel bad about them	20:34
metreo	yeah but you don't have the lasting proximity to any one person generally	20:35
metreo	with self checkout everything is disinfected after each use, social distance is maintained	20:35
LjL	maybe, i guess	20:35
metreo	nothing is proven of course	20:36
LjL	still, we can order groceries online, so we do :P	20:36
metreo	that's the best, we still go to the wholesale places which don't have that	20:36
mother	LjL: seems to be the magical thinking continues, at restaurants mask comes off to "eat& drink", pretty much remains off till they leave, of course proprietors don't want to tell them to put them back on	20:38
LjL	mother: here kids at school can take off their masks as long as they are seated and at least 1m (lol) apart	20:39
LjL	Magically, chairs stop covid	20:40
de-facto	why not make restaurants deliver food to other working places so everyone stays in business and at their place except for a delivery logistic worker that can stick to some safety protocol?	20:41
mother	LjL: yesterday there were fans close to each other in the Dallas NFL game, Texas is a disaster atm, then the Macys Parade, I thought they were using a re-run from 2019 saw no masks on anyone	20:42
metreo	crazy town	20:42
mother	nvm how stupid it is, that for tgiving we get 'cowboys vs indians'	20:43
blkshp	Cowboys vs. Aliens is good	20:43
Brainstorm	Updates for North Carolina, US: +8008 cases (now 354514), +72 deaths (now 5210) since 2 days ago	20:53
Brainstorm	Updates for South Dakota, US: +2138 cases (now 78280), +39 deaths (now 888) since 2 days ago	21:07
Brainstorm	New from "Cluster 5" on Wikipedia: Ergo Sum: /* Political consequences */ c/e: Political consequences: c/e ← Previous revision Revision as of 20:01, 27 November 2020 Line 28: Line 28: ==== Political consequences ==== ==== Political consequences ==== − It was revealed in late November that the [[Minister for Food, Agriculture and Fisheries [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/74bzDF	21:12
Brainstorm	Updates for Utah, US: +6142 cases (now 190044), +15 deaths (now 849) since 2 days ago — Vermont, US: +178 cases (now 4005), +3 deaths (now 67) since 2 days ago	21:21
Brainstorm	Updates for Syria: +93 cases (now 7635), +5 deaths (now 404) since 23 hours ago — Channel Islands: +71 cases (now 1218) since a day ago	21:35
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Belgium to reopen shops from December 1: Belgium will allow shops to reopen from December 1, Prime Minister Alexander De Croo said Friday, but the country's semi-lockdown will remain in place to bring down coronavirus infections. → https://is.gd/2TOVVf	21:49
Brainstorm	Updates for Michigan, US: +17368 cases (now 369801), +187 deaths (now 9357) since 2 days ago — Germany: +20790 cases (now 1.0 million), +385 deaths (now 16152) since 22 hours ago	21:53
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Ireland eases Covid-19 lockdown restrictions ahead of Christmas: Ireland on Friday announced a staggered easing of coronavirus lockdown restrictions to allow some businesses to reopen and for families to gather ahead of Christmas. → https://is.gd/Pm7Be3	22:01
Brainstorm	Updates for Switzerland: +62 deaths (now 4571) since 22 hours ago	22:07
CoronaBot	04/r/covid19: Prioritisation of population groups with the most interactions for COVID-19 vaccination can substantially reduce total fatalities (80 votes) \| https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.12.20211094v1 \| https://redd.it/k245vc	22:22
LjL	so... prioritize the ones we wouldn't normally prioritize?	22:23
Brainstorm	New from CNBC Health: Oxford, WHO scientists say more data needed on AstraZeneca's Covid vaccine trials: More data is needed from AstraZeneca's Covid vaccine trials beyond what was presented in a press release, experts from the WHO and Oxford University said. → https://is.gd/5ZbGA1	22:26
Brainstorm	Updates for Ohio, US: +17065 cases (now 399808) since 2 days ago	22:35
Brainstorm	Updates for Niger: +29 cases (now 1472) since 21 hours ago	22:53
Brainstorm	Updates for Massachusetts, US: +4658 cases (now 219252), +31 deaths (now 10635) since a day ago	23:21
LjL	%cases united states	23:27
Brainstorm	LjL: In US, there have been 13.4 million confirmed cases (4.1% of the population) and 270771 deaths (2.0% of cases) as of 8 minutes ago. 187.1 million tests were performed (7.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.1% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 3.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=US for time series data.	23:27
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: Mass testing a 'distraction' from vaccine rollout - health leaders → https://is.gd/LXGeKZ	23:52
Brainstorm	Updates for Germany: +9495 cases (now 1.0 million), +405 deaths (now 16172) since 16 hours ago	23:53
CoronaBot	04/r/covid19: Efficacy of honey and Nigella sativa against COVID-19: HNS-COVID-PK Trial (82 votes) \| https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.30.20217364v2 \| https://redd.it/k1zio7	23:59

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