libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2020-12-18

Brainstorm	New from Ars Technica: Policy: Moderna vaccine gets the thumbs-up for emergency use → https://is.gd/4klKFC	00:01
Brainstorm	Updates for Nigeria: +1145 cases (now 76207), +1 deaths (now 1201) since a day ago	00:07
Brainstorm	Updates for Switzerland: +78 deaths (now 6487) since 12 hours ago	00:21
Brainstorm	Updates for Uruguay: +543 cases (now 11436), +3 deaths (now 105) since 23 hours ago	00:35
Brainstorm	New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: December 17, 2020 → https://is.gd/fgJaJd	00:38
Brainstorm	Updates for Canada: +6328 cases (now 488637), +125 deaths (now 13916) since 22 hours ago	01:07
DocScrutinizer05	hmmm https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-12-assume-pandemics-result-devastation.html >>...discovered that late 19th century misconceptions about outbreaks of plague...<< not sure what to think about this	01:15
Brainstorm	Updates for France: +18023 cases (now 2.4 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +77 deaths (now 10327) since 23 hours ago	01:21
CoronaBot	04/r/covid19: Moderna Receives FDA Advisory Committee Vote Supporting Emergency Use for Moderna’s Vaccine Against COVID-19 in the United States (86 votes) \| https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-receives-fda-advisory-committee-vote-supporting \| https://redd.it/kf8m0j	01:34
Brainstorm	Updates for Saint Lucia: +1 cases (now 279), +1 deaths (now 5) since 2 days ago	01:53
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Zealand goes a month without community transmission of Covid - 19 → https://is.gd/mqMXkO	01:54
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Palestinians reject second delivery of COVID-19 aid from UAE → https://is.gd/A5pkyd	02:45
Brainstorm	New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Copyedit → https://is.gd/bnfaEX	02:57
DocScrutinizer05	>>It's getting too much for $you<< ?	03:01
DocScrutinizer05	LjL: ^^^	03:02
LjL	DocScrutinizer05, let's keep it english and not bash/perl :P	03:03
Brainstorm	Updates for Panama: +3348 cases (now 203295), +42 deaths (now 3481) since a day ago — Canada: +5996 cases (now 488638) since 19 hours ago	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	>>sth is getting too much (for sb...)<<	03:14
DocScrutinizer05	>>It's getting too much for me. / Things are beginning to get on top of me. <<	03:15
Brainstorm	Updates for New Zealand: +10 cases (now 2110) since 2 days ago	03:21
LjL	"to be beginning to do something" is... not... great... sounding...	03:24
DocScrutinizer05	%tr <de das wird ihm zu viel	03:24
Brainstorm	DocScrutinizer05, German to English: this will be too much for him (MyMemory) — that is getting too much for him (Google) — This will him too much (Apertium)	03:24
ubLIX	i know you were copy editing; i was just being silly	03:24
DocScrutinizer05	LjL: indeed, the grammatical template is sometiomes strange-sounding. Turn it into a real usecase like >>he is beginning to do something<<	03:28
DocScrutinizer05	anyway "become" doesn't fit here, but don't ask me why, I was happy once I learned it back when since I fell for the exactly same mistake	03:30
Brainstorm	New from NPR: First Coronavirus Vaccine Doses Administered In Hard Hit Indigenous Communities: Native Americans have been disproportionately impacted by the coronavirus pandemic and are four times as likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19. → https://is.gd/enh2Fg	04:25
Brainstorm	Updates for Belgium: +3146 cases (now 618204), +93 deaths (now 18371) since a day ago	04:35
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: UK general practitioners may use extra COVID-19 vaccine doses at discretion: NHS → https://is.gd/CNfwA1	04:38
DocScrutinizer05	the mystical sixth dose. Quite ridiculous. Even more ridiculous: Germany seems to only use 50% of the initially received doses since they need the other 50% for the second shot	04:57
DocScrutinizer05	you'd think until then there will be production of some more new batches of vaccine	04:59
de-facto	if i remember correctly one of the recent Kekule podcasts mentioned that the first priority group for vaccinations in Germany would be like 8.6M people, so the very oldest and medical personal etc	05:02
de-facto	hence around 17.2M doses would be needed for those	05:02
Brainstorm	New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Brazilian supreme court decides all Brazilians are required to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Those who fail to prove they have been vaccinated may have their rights, such as welfare payments, public school enrolment or entry to certain places, curtailed. → https://is.gd/E0Hp7w	05:03
DocScrutinizer05	^^^ arrrrgh	05:06
CoronaBot	04/r/coronavirus: SoCal ICU capacity sinks to an alarming 0% (10048 votes) \| https://www.radio.com/knx1070/news/local/socal-icu-capacity-sinks-to-an-alarming-0 \| https://redd.it/kf5iau	05:25
de-facto	RKI Germany 2020-12-18: Weekly Incidence 184.8/100k, Infections +33777 (1439338 total), Fatalities +813 (24938 total), COVID@ICU 4847 (incl 2768 ventitaled)	05:30
de-facto	another sad record high in numbers	05:30
jacklsw	is germany vaccinating people already?	05:31
de-facto	nope	05:31
de-facto	they are waiting for EMA approval, then the vaccination doses would be distributed all over EU not only Germany	05:31
LjL	<Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Brazilian supreme court decides all Brazilians are required to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Those who fail to prove they have been vaccinated may have their rights, such as welfare payments, public school enrolment or entry to certain places, curtailed. → https://is.gd/3hmJVu	05:32
LjL	i'm not confortable with this. mandatory vaccines i don't necessarily oppose, but a vaccine that has been tested nowhere near what they normally "should" be tested shouldn't be mandatory	05:32
de-facto	it is way too soon to talk about such things, firstly they should ensure everyone that wants to get vaccinated can be offered such a vaccine	05:33
de-facto	then they should make sure that proper statistics are taken from those ongoing vaccinations	05:34
de-facto	finally if all that was achieved successfully and there are more vaccines available than people willing to get vaccinated and statements can be based on solid statistics it could be talked about such things	05:35
de-facto	and btw personally i am against mandatory vaccinations when there are no longterm stats available, yet i personally would go for getting vaccinated as soon as i would be offered a vaccine such as one of those mRNA vaccines	05:38
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: FDA panel endorses Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine → https://is.gd/pIN30G	05:53
DocScrutinizer05	de-facto: sigh +33,777	06:46
DocScrutinizer05	LjL: [18 Dec 2020 05:06:22] <DocScrutinizer05> ^^^ arrrrgh	06:47
DocScrutinizer05	de-facto: >>it is way too soon<< full ack	06:48
DocScrutinizer05	also they could just sneak in all those measures listed, no purpose in announcing them big noise ahead of time	06:49
DocScrutinizer05	august 2021 >>the school year starting end of this month all pupils need covid vaccination and measles vaccination<< no big thing. Making big noise about it now will cause just more useless noise	06:52
DocScrutinizer05	and odds are it won't be needed anyway	06:53
Brainstorm	Updates for Ontario, Canada: +2430 cases (now 152898), +31 deaths (now 4081) since a day ago — Germany: +30179 cases (now 1.5 million) since 17 hours ago	07:07
Brainstorm	New preprint: Determinants of SARS-CoV-2 transmission to guide vaccination strategy in a city by Sarah C. Brueningk et al, published on 2020-12-17 at https://medrxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.12.15.20248130 [... want %more?]	07:13
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: Singapore airport goes sub-zero for COVID-19 vaccine transport plan → https://is.gd/UhlfeT	07:21
Brainstorm	Updates for Wales, United Kingdom: +11468 cases (now 114566), +53 deaths (now 2973) since a day ago — Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany: +4243 cases (now 202113), +81 deaths (now 3795) since a day ago — Lower Saxony, Germany: +2290 cases (now 91188), +53 deaths (now 1576) since a day ago — Limburg, Netherlands: +1233 cases (now 35488), +1 deaths (now 940) since a day ago	07:35
de-facto	DocScrutinizer05, seems those 33777 include ~3500 cases from BW from the day before yesterday	07:48
de-facto	still over 30k then	07:48
DocScrutinizer05	ta!	07:52
DocScrutinizer05	de-facto: so... we actually reached a local (naive) R_eff_(-7d) of 1?	08:08
DocScrutinizer05	errr nevermind, time for n8	08:10
KREYREN	DocScrutinizer05, the link works for me.. alternatively https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzBiTYwSP2A it's report from ABC news	08:11
DocScrutinizer05	well, actually according to TV news we are >>3900 higher than 7 days ago<< so 29875 (-7d) / (33777 - ~3500) it seems we are really at R_eff = ~1 today	08:16
de-facto	yeah around that	08:27
de-facto	still our goal would be like R<0.7 or such	08:27
DocScrutinizer05	sure	08:32
DocScrutinizer05	Moderna EMA (EU) approval scheduled for jan 6.	08:32
DocScrutinizer05	((our goal)) rather 0.5. Still takes (2**) 9 times 4 days until incidences <<50	08:33
DocScrutinizer05	for 0.7 I'm too tired to do the math, and de-facto is better on that ;-)	08:34
de-facto	actually we can do better than that by calculating it	08:37
de-facto	With N(t0) = 33777-3500 ~ 30k and target in 23 days N(t) = N(2021-01-10) = 50*83M/100k/7 = 5929 ~ 6k	08:37
de-facto	Now N(t) = N(t0)^((t-t0)/t_serial) hence R = (N(t)/N(t0))^(t_serial/(t-t0)) = (6k/30k)^(5.2/23) = 0.69 ~ 0.7 for a t_serial = 5.2 days	08:37
de-facto	so R<0.7 would ensure to reach an average weekly incidence of 50/100k in all over Germany	08:38
de-facto	for t_serial = 4 days it would be R<0.75	08:39
DocScrutinizer05	you completely lost me, but that's prolly my fault	08:39
de-facto	why? i just made an exponential extrapolation to 2020-01-10	08:39
de-facto	with the goal to come from todays incidence of ~30k down to a daily incidence of ~6k which is what would mean an average of weekly incidence of 50/100k	08:40
de-facto	hence assuming generation times of t_serial = {4 days, 5.2 days} this would require an R = { 0.75, 0.7 } for those 23 days from today to 2021-01-10	08:41
de-facto	but thats unrealistic since today R~1 already	08:43
de-facto	so our goal indeed probably needs to be much lower like R<0.5 depending on how soon the lockdown effects kick in	08:43
DocScrutinizer05	you're right at very least for me did a complete mistake, dividing apples by crays	08:43
DocScrutinizer05	I targeted 50/d instead of /100k7d	08:44
de-facto	but still which duration could we assume? one incubation time after lockdown begin? two?	08:48
de-facto	one incubation time of t_incubation = 5.2 days after 2020-12-16 would be 2020-12-21 hence like 20 days till 2021-01-10 or two incubation times would be like 2020-12-26 hence only 15 days	08:56
de-facto	that would mean for t_serial = { 4d, 5.2d } and assuming endemic till decline for 20 days needs R = { 0.72, 0.66 } or for 15 days decline R = { 0.65, 0.57 } before the target at 2021-01-10	08:57
de-facto	so we need to stay R< { 0.72, 0.66 } beginning with 2020-12-21 or R < { 0.65, 0.57 } beginning with 2020-12-26 when we assume t_serial = { 4d, 5.2d } and target ~6k daily new infections on average for 2021-01-10	09:00
Brainstorm	New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread \| December 18, 2020: The WHO pages contain up-to-date and global information. Please refer to our Wiki for additional information. → https://is.gd/KdVylC	09:01
de-facto	idk if that is realistic though	09:06
de-facto	some EU countries may have achieved such low R values for some lockdown time http://metrics.covid19-analysis.org/	09:11
de-facto	that website uses t_serial = 5.2 days	09:12
de-facto	what happens when lockdown ends too soon? look at Netherlands, they went right back into exponential growth	09:12
de-facto	so i am pretty sure lockdown in Germany could not be liften in Jan already	09:13
de-facto	*lifted	09:13
de-facto	seems we barely were able to reach R<0.75 in the first wave, so now in Jan-Feb when there is the season for very good transmission of CoVs it probably will be harder	09:15
DocScrutinizer05	first lockdown did we have masks?	09:20
de-facto	i did, most didnt	09:22
de-facto	people were looking at me like i was an alien back then	09:22
de-facto	then there were those cotton community masks	09:23
zutt	the mask prices were quite ridiculous at the beginning	09:28
zutt	now its more rare to see people without masks in stores	09:28
de-facto	yeah i think i paid like 1€ for one surgical mask from a motorcycle store	09:29
de-facto	they were sold out everywhere back then	09:29
zutt	1€ was pretty good deal	09:30
zutt	I think first pack I saw in stores was 15 euros for a pack of 5	09:30
de-facto	yeah i bought like 50 surgical masks back then and everyone else was like "whoa where did you find them?"	09:30
zutt	:p	09:30
zutt	i'm glad they are now.. relatively cheap	09:31
de-facto	yeah indeed and pharmacy stores should give FFP2 or (K)N95 for people over 60 or was it 65 for free in Germany	09:31
zutt	that sounds good	09:32
de-facto	at least that is the plan, not sure how widespread the implementation is though	09:32
genera	well. only 3. and most ran out after a few hours	09:32
zutt	:(	09:33
genera	and it is only because the asylums for the elderlys were to cheap to buy them thereself	09:33
genera	some say.	09:33
zutt	lol	09:34
de-facto	hmmm	09:34
zutt	I think the masks should go down in price to somewhere around the price of coffee filters for the cheap people to buy them as well	09:34
genera	another 300 10^6 € gone poof	09:34
zutt	basically to almost material cost	09:35
de-facto	actually i dont really know about current availability because i bought mine sooner	09:37
de-facto	its kinda hard to estimate how much the better masks will prevent transmission with the lower temperatures at winter in place, will it cancel out each others, will it be like less transmission or more compared to the first wave?	09:38
genera	when i was in town yesterday i saw 3 or so pharmcies with signs	09:39
de-facto	signs=	09:39
de-facto	like they have masks on stock?	09:39
Brainstorm	New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19 guidance: assessment and marketing authorisation → https://is.gd/H1n0K7	09:39
de-facto	I stayed at home most of the time so i dont know such things	09:40
de-facto	was in the town like half a year ago	09:41
de-facto	never used any public transport in 2020	09:41
de-facto	or did any traveling at all	09:41
genera	like, they have ordered masks	09:44
genera	but dont have any now	09:44
genera	i mean. from now to today suddenly all pharmacies having ffp2 .. how fantasyguided do you have to be	09:45
DocScrutinizer05	>><genera> another 300 10^6 € gone poof<< wait what?	09:45
genera	well the chinese dont produce the masks for free. i think?	09:47
genera	i soothe myself with looking at pictures https://www.hoerber-hetzner.de/de/produkte/SPA_FFP2	09:47
de-facto	80-90 masks per minute	09:48
DocScrutinizer05	you should get like 150 million masks for 300 million €	09:48
genera	https://www.apotheke-adhoc.de/nachrichten/detail/apothekenpraxis/ffp2-masken-spahn-500-millionen-euro-blankoscheck-ungewoehnliche-regelung/	09:49
DocScrutinizer05	this would be 60 million times "please give me 3 free FFP2 masks"	09:49
genera	i didnot get that money so dont ask me	09:50
DocScrutinizer05	50	09:50
zutt	:O hetzner makes industrial equipment too?	09:50
de-facto	so 640 of such machines would produce one mask per day for every of 83M citizens	09:50
ecks	have there been any studies that compare transmission with 100% surgical mask vs 100% ffp2+ coverage?	09:52
genera	zutt thats what i thought too ))	09:52
Brainstorm	New from WHO Euro: The holiday season amid COVID-19 and a growing mental health crisis in Europe: The winter holidays mark the end of what has been an incredibly difficult year for everyone. Tragically, as of yesterday, more than half a million of those with confirmed infections have lost their lives. COVID-19 has forced families and communities apart, [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/ubGbLC	09:52
zutt	genera: I wish hetzner was publicly listed in some market, I'd love to invest into them :P	09:53
de-facto	ecks, afaik there were quite some papers about filtration efficiency in the lab, not sure if they included tightness of fit, then scenarios are wildly variable like aerosol concentration and people density etc, so its quite hard to condense that into few numbers only	09:54
zutt	https://aricjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13756-020-00763-0 according to this, ffp2 = 94% reduction, ffp3 = 99% reduction for particles less than 0.3µm	09:55
de-facto	genera, what about the supply chain for such machines, i guess they need those PP fabric roles from somewhere	09:55
genera	and a few more parts too	09:56
de-facto	yet there have been many months to arrange for that and we are still dependent on China for delivering those	09:57
DocScrutinizer05	FFP approval includes tightness of fit aka leakage	09:57
DocScrutinizer05	FFP3 masks considered 100% safe	09:58
de-facto	it always depends on the estimated contamination of the environment for usage	09:59
DocScrutinizer05	yes, of course	09:59
zutt	I take the french aproach on 100% safety - nothing can be 100% :P	10:00
DocScrutinizer05	30 times max allowable concentration	10:02
DocScrutinizer05	and if everybody would wear FFP2 then the concentration houldn't be unity anywhere, to start with :-D	10:05
DocScrutinizer05	so even in a crowded subway, when everybody would wear FFP2, you _should_ have like 2 magnitudes saftey margin to where it's considered to _start_ becoming any risk	10:07
genera	and the reality is: Käbschütztal, 7tagesinzidenz of 2921	10:12
genera	ok, bbl	10:13
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: SARS-CoV-2-like particles very sensitive to temperature: Winter is coming in the northern hemisphere and public health officials are asking how the seasonal shift will impact the spread of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19? → https://is.gd/2if1Bt	10:17
Brainstorm	Updates for Slovakia: +3991 cases (now 146124), +62 deaths (now 1440) since 23 hours ago	10:20
DocScrutinizer05	genera: didn't we have >5000 in some village?	10:29
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Africa confronts a second wave of COVID-19: After being relatively spared by coronavirus, Africa is bracing for the pandemic's second wave, noting how the microbe has once more cut a swathe through rich countries in Europe and North Africa. → https://is.gd/5lnXbV	10:30
genera	idk	10:35
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: FDA plans to OK 2nd COVID-19 vaccine after panel endorsement: The head of the Food and Drug Administration said late Thursday that his agency will move to quickly authorize the second COVID-19 vaccine to fight the pandemic, hours after the shot won the key endorsement of a government advisory panel. → https://is.gd/2N6epZ	10:42
DocScrutinizer05	seems low temperatures are detrimental to aerosol dynamics, slower droplet size reduction thus faster air clearance due to gravity	10:55
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Moderna vaccine set for imminent US approval, as Europe battles surge: Moderna's coronavirus vaccine was set for imminent approval in the US on Thursday, as COVID death tolls climbed around the world, with Europe becoming the first region to pass 500,000 fatalities and Brazil notching more than 1,000 deaths in 24 hours. → https://is.gd/mUE2Cz	10:55
DocScrutinizer05	%title https://www.pnas.org/content/117/22/11875	10:56
Brainstorm	DocScrutinizer05: From www.pnas.org: The airborne lifetime of small speech droplets and their potential importance in SARS-CoV-2 transmission \| PNAS	10:56
DocScrutinizer05	likewise with high humidity	10:58
DocScrutinizer05	there might be other related effects that counteract this	10:59
de-facto	yup	10:59
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Some states say Pfizer vaccine allotments cut for next week: Several states say they have been told to expect far fewer doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine in its second week of distribution, prompting worries about potential delays in shots for health care workers and long-term care residents. → https://is.gd/v4gYOo	11:07
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: US experts debate: Who should be next in line for vaccine?: The U.S. COVID-19 vaccination campaign has begun, and the few available doses are mostly going into the arms of health-care workers and nursing home residents. → https://is.gd/RaAlsO	11:20
DocScrutinizer05	there was a bot msg mentioning a paper about sunlight just today iirc.	11:27
DocScrutinizer05	[16 Dec 2020 19:10:51] <Brainstorm> New from Medical Xpress: Researchers uncover evidence that UV radiation from sunlight reduces COVID-19 transmission: Scientists, policymakers and healthcare workers are eager to discern to what extent COVID-19 may be seasonal. Understanding this aspect of the disease could guide our response to the pandemic. → https://is.gd/Wqcari	11:28
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: Covid: Millions prepare for tougher restrictions amid rising cases: Toughest measures facing 38 million people in England, while Northern Ireland announces tough new lockdown. → https://is.gd/iwOAyv	11:33
DocScrutinizer05	>>To circumvent this issue, the team conducted a longitudinal study, essentially comparing many populations to themselves over time [...] We basically ask whether daily fluctuations in environmental conditions experienced by a population affect new COVID-19 cases up to two weeks later," Meng explained [...] The team found evidence that a location's UV exposure significantly affects COVID-19 transmission. A change in UV exposure by 1	11:35
DocScrutinizer05	standard deviation (roughly equal to the difference in UV between May and June in Los Angeles) reduced the growth rate of new cases by around 1 percentage point over the following two weeks<<	11:35
DocScrutinizer05	my naive guess would be that difference between a cloudy winter day and a sunny sumer day is much much much more than "1standard deviation"	11:37
DocScrutinizer05	plus there will most likely be threshold effects	11:37
de-facto	how would they normalize for the seasonality of peoples behavior	11:38
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: China to vaccinate 50 mln people for Lunar New Year – SCMP → https://is.gd/3yCz8M	11:46
DocScrutinizer05	de-facto: >>However, much of the northern hemisphere also relaxed their COVID stay-at-home orders at the same time, Meng said. As a result, there's a conflation between UV effects and the loosening restrictions during the summer months. "This is a big reason why our study uses daily fluctuations in UV exposure, in part to avoid conflating influences when looking at long-term, varying fluctuations."<<	11:53
DocScrutinizer05	>>"We are confident of the UV effect, but this is only one piece of the full seasonality picture," Carleton said.<<	11:56
Brainstorm	New from EMA: What's new: PIP: Opinion/decision on a Paediatric investigation plan (PIP): mRNA that encodes for the pre-fusion stabilized spike glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2 (mRNA-1273), decision type: , therapeutic area: , PIP number: P/0481/2020 → https://is.gd/1mdnjB	11:58
DocScrutinizer05	and finally >>Another component is behavioral. For example, people may go out more often when it is sunnier, which could alter the risk of transmission. While laboratory studies can help determine the biological mechanisms, population-level studies like this one are able to also capture social factors<<	12:00
de-facto	maybe they could use the average annual Vit-D levels to normalize for outdoors time?	12:05
Brainstorm	Updates for Switzerland: +4478 cases (now 403989), +98 deaths (now 6507) since a day ago	12:06
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: Covid: Millions prepare for tougher restrictions amid rising cases: Toughest measures facing 38 million people in England, while Northern Ireland announces tough new lockdown. → https://is.gd/iwOAyv	12:11
xrogaan	Oh, the US will be hell for its denizen for the next half year.	12:16
de-facto	US got daily ~220k new infections detected (many more undetected probably) and around ~2.6k daily fatalities and rising	12:43
de-facto	around the same level of daily fatalities than Germany actually...	12:46
de-facto	180% more infections detected in USA than Germany though, maybe differences in testing?	12:47
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: Coronavirus: What does Emmanuel Macron’s infection mean for other EU leaders? → https://is.gd/rOIBqW	12:49
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express: World: Coronavirus digest: COVID nearly three times deadlier than flu → https://is.gd/pmRLBJ	13:01
CoronaBot	04/r/covid19: Johnson & Johnson Announces Its First Phase 3 COVID-19 Vaccine Trial ENSEMBLE is Fully Enrolled (80 votes) \| https://www.jnj.com/our-company/johnson-johnson-announces-its-first-phase-3-covid-19-vaccine-trial-ensemble-is-fully-enrolled \| https://redd.it/kfekny	13:02
Brainstorm	Updates for Germany: +633 deaths (now 25225) since 23 hours ago	13:06
Brainstorm	Updates for US: +232841 cases (now 17.6 million) since 23 hours ago	13:21
zutt	that is a scary number	13:22
Brainstorm	New from ECDC: Communicable disease threats report, 13-19 December 2020, week 51: This issue of the ECDC Communicable Disease Threats Report (CDTR) covers the period 13-19 December 2020 and includes updates on COVID-19, dengue, chikungunya, Legionnaires' disease, seasonal influenza and avian influenza. → https://is.gd/zWuJXe	13:27
xrogaan	de-facto: the issue is with ICU capacity I believe.	13:34
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Researchers seeking COVID-19 vaccine that prevents both the disease and viral transmission: Another day, another announcement about a COVID-19 vaccine. Whether that's talk of results from clinical trials, emergency approval or plans for countries to prioritize certain groups for vaccination. → https://is.gd/hiXdpM	13:40
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Early lockdowns were key in reducing ultimate COVID-19 spread: Lockdowns at the start of the COVID-19 pandemic may have been the most important factor in reducing the ultimate spread of the disease in the United States, according to a new report from Rice's Baker Institute for Public Policy → https://is.gd/yRPgxs	13:53
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: Covid: Boris Johnson 'hoping to avoid' national lockdown: But the PM admits Covid cases are increasing "very much", as Northern Ireland announces tough new lockdown. → https://is.gd/iwOAyv	14:06
Brainstorm	Updates for Denmark: +4231 cases (now 128321), +15 deaths (now 1007) since 6 hours ago	14:06
CoronaBot	04/r/coronavirus: Employers can bar unvaccinated employees from the workplace, EEOC says (10059 votes) \| https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-vaccine-employers-exclude-unvaccinated-workers/ \| https://redd.it/kf9auv	14:20
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Oxford vaccine stimulates broad antibody and T cell functions: Today, researchers from the University of Oxford have published further data from the Phase I/II clinical trials of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 coronavirus vaccine, evidencing the decision to move to a two-dose regimen in ongoing phase III trials, and how ChAdOx1 nCov-19 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/oXnkMM	14:31
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: Covid: Boris Johnson 'hoping to avoid' national lockdown: But the PM admits Covid cases are increasing "very much", as Northern Ireland announces a tough new lockdown. → https://is.gd/iwOAyv	14:57
Brainstorm	Updates for Lesotho: +146 cases (now 2546), +2 deaths (now 48) since 23 hours ago — Switzerland: +55 deaths (now 6541) since 18 hours ago	15:06
Brainstorm	Updates for Namibia: +434 cases (now 18041), +5 deaths (now 169) since a day ago	15:20
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: U.S. drug overdose deaths reach record highs: The number of U.S. drug overdose deaths reached a record high as the coronavirus pandemic held the country in its grip last spring, new government data shows. → https://is.gd/EyvbBh	15:23
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Survey identifies troubling effect of pandemic on where women give birth in Ethiopia: A new study from the Bloomberg School of Public Health and researchers at Addis Ababa University in Ethiopia has found that as of June, the proportion of women in urban areas—where COVID-19 rates were highest—who delivered in lower-level [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/vEwz08	15:36
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 is now the leading cause of death in the U.S.: COVID-19 is now the leading cause of death in the United States, according to an editorial published Thursday in the Journal of the American Medical Association. → https://is.gd/5EsO65	15:49
Brainstorm	Updates for Grenada: +9 cases (now 94) since 2 days ago	15:52
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Pfizer and Moderna won't be the only ones to reap huge payday: Pfizer and Moderna appear to be the clear leaders in the race for a COVID-19 vaccine. Pfizer has already begun distribution, and Moderna's entry is on the brink of FDA approval, which would put the two at least weeks ahead of their rivals. But will this head start [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/54aao0	16:01
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Advisory committee votes to recommend EUA for Moderna vaccine: The Moderna COVID-19 vaccine received recommendation from a U.S. Food and Drug Administration advisory committee on Thursday, clearing the way for it to become the second COVID-19 vaccine to be granted emergency use authorization. → https://is.gd/qzmVnK	16:15
ReGiStRaS	So far none of the COVID-19 vaccines manufactueres have stated their vaccine effects on different COVID-19 strains...	16:24
jollygood2	hi	16:26
jollygood2	is 37.2C body temperature too low to suspect covid? My usual temperature is 36.5	16:27
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Virus death toll in Belgian retirement homes hits 10,000: The coronavirus pandemic has now killed more than 10,000 residents in Belgian retirement homes, more than half of the national death toll, health officials said Friday. → https://is.gd/PfWlPG	16:28
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: WHO: Vaccine program gets access to nearly 2 billion doses: The head of the World Health Organization said Friday that the U.N. health agency's program to help get COVID-19 vaccines to all countries in need, whether rich or poor, has gained access to nearly 2 billion doses of several "promising" vaccine candidates. → https://is.gd/i6iXFp	16:40
BullHorn	can someone help me find the document that pfizer/moderna released regarding their stage 3 test results?	16:44
copy24[m]	@BullHorn prob not	16:47
copy24[m]	But if you want to learn biology - now is the time	16:48
copy24[m]	How can you hack your body to stop COVID instead of getting the vaccine?	16:49
copy24[m]	Overflow the _______ &&. ret to libCerebellum	16:50
andike82[m]	> How can you hack your body to stop COVID instead of getting the vaccine?	16:51
andike82[m]	just get infected and survive...	16:51
Brainstorm	Updates for Arizona, US: +7635 cases (now 442671), +142 deaths (now 7819) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +5001 cases (now 490928), +112 deaths (now 13956) since 21 hours ago	16:52
copy24[m]	Ok, so the lungs are a battery filled with Glycogen	16:52
copy24[m]	Someone in the USA said just use Hemodialysis and then who needs lungs	16:53
copy24[m]	Obviously the blood needs to send waste to the lungs, so filter the blood.... right?	16:53
ecks	i don't think that's how it works	16:53
copy24[m]	Well, the other idea. What happens to carbon at high voltage.... It joins with itself. The trick might be how can you charge the body with a voltage to dump waste carbon	16:55
copy24[m]	Like when you see that static electricity experiment	16:55
ecks	well, I'll cite yourself	16:56
ecks	if you want to learn biology, now is the time	16:56
copy24[m]	The body is polarized in a way that effectively can travel to the center and back	16:56
copy24[m]	A static machine	16:57
copy24[m]	Then use the static effect like an ionizer	16:57
copy24[m]	Just to dump the waste carbon that can’t exit the lungs	16:57
copy24[m]	The challenge is how can you measure what happens when a VanDeGraph is attached?	16:58
copy24[m]	the body is electro chemical and no hobby store sells sensors	16:59
copy24[m]	Let’s say static electricity is 10,000 Volts. What happens to the polarity of xyz	17:00
copy24[m]	Can it be used in the hemodialysis machine?	17:00
copy24[m]	Then bypass the lungs	17:00
copy24[m]	In kidney dialysis the filter is outside the body	17:01
copy24[m]	Not a vaccine, but maybe a hack?	17:02
ubLIX[m]	are you channeling Frankenstein in order to spitball the reinvention of the ECMO machine?	17:03
copy24[m]	On desktop mode the image is higher quality	17:05
copy24[m]	https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wgMRAM7HkLYT6w4TCq2r65b9e6IaOt3b/view?usp=drivesdk	17:05
copy24[m]	Somewhere along the way nobody told me what happens when static electricity is generated	17:05
Brainstorm	New from Ars Technica: Policy: Vaccines ready, but no distribution? Operation Warp Speed meets speed bumps → https://is.gd/FALKQt	17:07
copy24[m]	Warp speeds then https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wgMRAM7HkLYT6w4TCq2r65b9e6IaOt3b/view?usp=drivesdk	17:07
copy24[m]	The missing link is that someone said the body is like a combustion engine	17:09
copy24[m]	Only the parts of combustion are recycled	17:09
copy24[m]	In this diagram (desktop for better quality)	17:09
copy24[m]	https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D7jTdjRyIj-rQ610kw4sxHOrGiawo30A/view?usp=drivesdk	17:09
copy24[m]	The part above in the upper right shows NADP+ and CO2 indicting a polarity	17:11
copy24[m]	So what happens when charging the body with static electricity ?	17:11
copy24[m]	Does it make carbon bonds like in an ionizer ??	17:12
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: Covid: Boris Johnson 'hoping to avoid' national lockdown: But the PM admits Covid cases are increasing "very much", as Northern Ireland announces a tough new lockdown. → https://is.gd/iwOAyv	17:19
Brainstorm	Updates for Netherlands: +11931 cases (now 664456), +78 deaths (now 10405) since 16 hours ago	17:38
Brainstorm	New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Study sheds light on immunity transfer from COVID-19 positive mothers to babies → https://is.gd/RtUQUy	17:58
Brainstorm	Updates for North Carolina, US: +8444 cases (now 466104), +60 deaths (now 6125) since 23 hours ago	18:06
Jigsy	%cases UK	18:22
Brainstorm	Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 2.0 million confirmed cases (2.9% of the population) and 66101 deaths (3.4% of cases) as of 10 hours ago. 49.2 million tests were performed (4.0% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data.	18:22
Jigsy	Should hit 2,000,000 tomorrow.	18:23
Brainstorm	New from StatNews: Listen: Moderna’s vaccine milestone, Warp Speed’s hurdles, and biotech in 2021: How long do Covid-19 vaccines last? Who should get them first? And when will we have more? All that and more on the latest episode of "The Readout LOUD." Listen… → https://is.gd/Gx65Sm	18:23
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: Covid: Boris Johnson 'hoping to avoid' national lockdown: But the PM admits Covid cases are increasing "very much", as Northern Ireland announces a tough new lockdown. → https://is.gd/iwOAyv	18:36
Brainstorm	Updates for United Kingdom: +25703 cases (now 2.0 million), +440 deaths (now 66541) since 11 hours ago	18:38
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: New SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibody enters clinical phase: Cologne University Hospital (UKK), University of Marburg (UMR), the German Center for Infection Research (DZIF) and Boehringer Ingelheim today announced the initiation of Phase 1/2a clinical investigation of BI 767551, a new SARS-CoV-2 neutralizing antibody. By [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/KMVAFF	18:48
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Will we still need COVID-19 volunteers in the new year?: - A University of Sheffield-led research program finds Local Authorities and the Voluntary and Community Sector are best placed to support the response to the COVID-19 crisis locally → https://is.gd/a3NYnN	19:01
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: US awaits word on 2nd vaccine as COVID-19 outbreak worsens: The U.S. stood on the verge of adding a second COVID-19 vaccine to its arsenal Friday as the outbreak descended deeper into its most lethal phase yet, with the nation regularly recording over 3,000 deaths per day. → https://is.gd/FTFIAI	19:14
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Swiss to shut restaurants, other sites as virus cases climb: The Swiss government said Friday it is ordering the closure of restaurants, bars, cultural venues and sports facilities next week in a renewed bid to stem a continuing rise in coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/BfUdsI	19:26
Brainstorm	Updates for South Carolina, US: +4302 cases (now 267076), +29 deaths (now 4872) since a day ago	19:52
LjL	<Brainstorm> New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The European Union is paying less money than the United States for a range of coronavirus vaccines - The EU has a 24% discount on the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine compared to the US, and will pay 45% less than the US for the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine, but 20% more for the Moderna vaccine → https://is.gd/BPZtpD	19:59
LjL	we pay more and we also ordered much less	19:59
LjL	we ordered 300 million of "everything" but 80 million of Moderna	19:59
LjL	that probably part of why we didn't get a discount	19:59
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Study shows incorporating telemedicine helps surgical practices: A new study that records patient volume at Stony Brook Medicine's Bariatric and Metabolic Weight Loss Center reveals that follow-up telehealth visits are highly effective during the COVID-19 pandemic. The study, published in the December issue of the Annals of [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/fjcZtJ	20:04
Brainstorm	Updates for Spain: +11815 cases (now 1.8 million), +149 deaths (now 48926) since a day ago	20:06
Brainstorm	Updates for Canada: +6908 cases (now 493063), +144 deaths (now 14002) since 23 hours ago	20:20
Brainstorm	New from WebMD: COVID Has Southern California ICU Capacity at Zero: ICU capacity dipped to zero in Southern California's 11 counties on Thursday, according to the California Department of Public Health → https://is.gd/TvyDRV	20:43
LjL	Italy government announcement to be made	20:48
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Zika virus affects eye development before but not after birth: While the SARS-CoV-2 virus has dominated the news this past year, researchers continue to study the health effects of the Zika virus, which has been reported in 86 countries globally. → https://is.gd/UrGViN	20:56
Brainstorm	New from Medical Xpress: Mexico City suspends non-essential activities as virus cases rise: Mexico City and the neighboring State of Mexico will suspend all non-essential activities from this weekend because of a spike in the number of coronavirus cases, the mayor said Friday. → https://is.gd/LkZWW1	21:08
LjL	<LjL> the deal in parliament seems to be that the entire country will be classed "orange zone" from tomorrow to january 4 or 5, which means no leaving your municipality	21:08
LjL	<LjL> and on holidays we'll be "red zone" which means can't go outside without justification	21:08
Brainstorm	New from NPR: COVID-19 Relief Deal Stalled As Congress Nears Shutdown Deadline: As congressional leaders negotiate, other lawmakers are demanding more details. Plus, Democrats are objecting to a push by some Senate Republicans to limit emergency lending rules. → https://is.gd/ivOV3P	21:33
LjL	i missed the press conference	22:18
Brainstorm	Updates for Syria: +169 cases (now 9928), +20 deaths (now 591) since a day ago	22:20
CoronaBot_	04/r/covid19: Vaccination Is the Only Acceptable Path to Herd Immunity (86 votes) \| https://www.cell.com/med/fulltext/S2666-6340(20)30032-5 \| https://redd.it/kfsrqd	22:25
de-facto	Hey LjL still alive?	22:25
LjL	de-facto, not entirely sure, i'm so cold i might be in deep hypothermia	22:27
LjL	spent hours holding an ice pack and can't eat warm food	22:27
de-facto	aaw damn thats why I am asking, hope its not too bad	22:27
LjL	i'm sure there's worse	22:27
LjL	i'm okay really	22:27
LjL	thanks for asking	22:28
de-facto	hope you feel better soon	22:28
LjL	i hope an implant isn't too ridiculously expensive	22:28
de-facto	i dont have any idea what it costs, but it takes time for the bone to heal around it, then its as good as a real tooth afaik	22:31
LjL	let's hope it's better than my real tooth	22:33
LjL	my real tooth didn't do a great job	22:33
de-facto	friend of mine got an implant, afaik she is quite happy with it now	22:34
LjL	nice	22:36
LjL	i hope it's also less traumatic than pulling a tooth because this wasn't particularly pleasant (although root canals are kinda worse)	22:36
de-facto	i cant remember her complaining about the implanting or such	22:37
Brainstorm	Updates for Burkina Faso: +221 cases (now 4832), +1 deaths (now 74) since a day ago — France: +10244 cases (now 2.5 million) since 21 hours ago	22:37
LjL	de-facto, you know, the put a screw into your bone. the mental image isn't great	22:38
DocScrutinizer05	vaccenter instructions germany https://i.imgur.com/c0FXTs3.jpg	22:38
LjL	but maybe it's less bad than it sounds	22:38
de-facto	yes i know and the bone needs to heal around it so they need to wait for that until they can put the implant ontop	22:39
de-facto	afaik she did not had any problems with that, so id guess the worst is behind you	22:40
de-facto	DocScrutinizer05, interesting, whom do they want to offer it though? i dont think there would be enough doses for people to come into centers in the beginning at least	22:41
de-facto	id think they would start with teams visiting the elderly homes, then maybe proceed to hospitals healthcare workers etc	22:41
LjL	we had an earthquake yesterday but my stupid bot was so kind as to warn everyone on the internet but not me	22:42
de-facto	lol you should not have told him that you might sell him	22:43
de-facto	:D	22:43
LjL	fœtor	22:43
de-facto	lmao	22:43
de-facto	real earthquake or just a little tremor?	22:44
DocScrutinizer05	de-facto: Spahn published detailed vaccination strategy today, 3 phases, first 80+ and their contacts, 2nd 70+ and risk, 3rd 60+. see news for details. Yes they will visit care homes with mobile teams	22:45
LjL	de-facto, i just felt a single jolt, i was in bed. it was supposedly M4.2 right in milan	22:46
LjL	so small, but the strongest milan has had in some 500 years, apparently	22:46
LjL	but it has stronger ones that simply didn't have milan as the epicenter	22:46
LjL	when there were earthquakes in emilia-romagna in 2012 some of the shocks felt stronger than this	22:47
de-facto	oh wow so enough to feel it then, that must be quite crazy to experience	22:47
de-facto	i never experienced an earthquake	22:47
LjL	de-facto, the first one in 2012 woke me up, the mattress was going back and forth	22:47
de-facto	whut? thats crazy	22:48
LjL	i remember that even though i was sleeping i was pretty lucid immediately and realized it was an earthquake and got off the bed because i have a shelf with heavy stuff above the bed	22:48
LjL	de-facto, those were 200km from here, but M6.2 or so	22:48
LjL	they destroyed things	22:48
LjL	you know what's funny, our seismological agency sucks, while on the other hand the Swiss have some top notch early warning technology	22:49
LjL	and they barely get any earthquakes	22:49
Brainstorm	New from StatNews: Pharma: World Health Organization says its Covid-19 vaccine program has secured 2 billion doses → https://is.gd/0u0E4P	22:49
de-facto	if its that good they should be able to triangulate it accurately though	22:50
LjL	de-facto, looks like it's downgraded to M3.9 http://terremoti.ingv.it/en/event/25805541	22:50
LjL	de-facto, triangulation is not a problem, doing it quickly and disseminating it before people feel it is the tricky part	22:50
LjL	(i mean... triangulation would be a problem for me, just it isn't for people who know what they're doing :P)	22:51
de-facto	yeah and this one really seems to have had its center right next to Milan there	22:52
LjL	yup, very close to where i live, maybe 3km	22:52
LjL	but they felt it even in other provinces	22:53
LjL	earthquakes are weird, some people in milan did not feel it, and some people very far from milan felt it	22:53
de-facto	i think there are several different categories of waves	22:54
de-facto	so maybe if its deeper in the ground they need some distance to surface or such?	22:54
LjL	de-facto, yes, the ones i know about are P and S	22:54
LjL	de-facto, well the waves bounce around inside the earth's core, but that starts mattering with much stronger earthquakes. with a 3.9 it's probably about what floor you're at, whether you're paying attention, the type of building, the type of soil...	22:55
de-facto	would one hear it? like everything shaking loudly, glasses falling or such?	22:57
LjL	no, unless you're like at a very high floor	22:57
LjL	but, you could hear a 3.9 with glass shaking and stuff, if you were right on top of it, and the earthquake was very shallow	22:58
LjL	this one was 56km deep, which is fairly deep for a small earthquake	22:58
LjL	that means it's felt in a wider area, but less strongly	22:58
de-facto	yeah makes sense	22:58
LjL	there was like an M8 or so somewhere a while ago, but it was 300km deep and so there wasn't really any damage anywhere	22:58
LjL	(not in italy!)	22:59
LjL	de-facto, with the 2012 earthquakes, one of them i knew because i started hearing the window shutters crackling. as if there was very strong wind or something	23:00
LjL	anyway there's always some people who say they hear a sound before earthquakes	23:00
LjL	like a woosh, or a rumble, or something	23:00
LjL	it's too commonly reported to just be made up	23:00
de-facto	interesting, that must be quite an experience	23:00
LjL	but i'm not entirely sure what causes it, if the air actually gets compressed somehow	23:01
de-facto	like thunder or such with everything making sounds from shaking?	23:01
LjL	usually they say it comes before the shaking	23:01
LjL	so an effect of the P waves presumably	23:01
LjL	the S waves are the destructive ones	23:01
LjL	but they come later	23:01
de-facto	yeah the pressure waves and the dislocation waves	23:01
de-facto	yeah exactly	23:02
LjL	Brainstorm has some stuff in it that calculates how long it takes for the S waves to reach you (i didn't write it, i'm using functions from obspy)	23:02
LjL	so in theory it can tell people just how long it'll be before they feel the shaking. in reality it tells them after :P	23:02
de-facto	isnt this like km/s or such?	23:03
LjL	de-facto, yes, it "works" (it doesn't, but if it did) when there's a strong earthquake and then you can warn people away from the epicenter but who'll still feel strong shaking	23:05
LjL	de-facto, i mean, Brainstorm fails at it in most cases, but some countries have real systems for this and they work	23:05
LjL	de-facto, https://paste.ee/p/K10QO	23:05
Brainstorm	Updates for Italy: +15401 cases (now 1.9 million), +674 deaths (now 67894) since a day ago	23:06
de-facto	interesting	23:09
de-facto	and the model containing the attenuation per distance i guess	23:11
de-facto	DocScrutinizer05, https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/Impfen/ImpfungenAZ/COVID-19/Impfempfehlung-Zusfassung.html	23:14
de-facto	https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/Infekt/EpidBull/Archiv/2021/Ausgaben/02_21.pdf?__blob=publicationFile	23:15
de-facto	Mr Spahn should better do his job and finally organize enough testing capacity to protect elderly homes without quicktests	23:16
de-facto	like everyone there should get tested at least 2-3 times with RT-PCR in each week	23:17
de-facto	vaccinations are nice but immunity will take some time to develop, maybe first effects could be as soon as 14 days? but real immunity only 7 days after second dose, so like a month or such?	23:18
de-facto	testing would be available in days, results possibly in hours when done properly	23:19
LjL	de-facto, with the serious version of Brainstorm, this is the advance warning you can get if the earthquake is far and strong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8OxU_BDpM4	23:20
Brainstorm	Updates for Colombia: +13277 cases (now 1.5 million), +232 deaths (now 40019) since a day ago	23:20
de-facto	%title https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/covid-19-latest-updates	23:20
Brainstorm	de-facto: From www.ema.europa.eu: COVID-19: latest updates \| European Medicines Agency	23:20
de-facto	wow thats pretty accurate, though it really began 7s after the countdown	23:23
LjL	de-facto, i think even a japanese railway would forgive a 7s delay	23:24
LjL	(but not bigger)	23:24
de-facto	hehe indeed	23:25
LjL	de-facto, in fact this earthquake warning system was originally created by and for the railways. to stop the fast trains in case an earthquake may damage the line	23:26
Brainstorm	New from Ars Technica: Science: Stanford hospital erupts in protest after vaccine plan leaves out residents → https://is.gd/b5Sc9B	23:27
de-facto	LjL, maybe this would be of interest? https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news-event/rss-feeds	23:27
LjL	de-facto, i have them. well, some of them	23:28
LjL	'https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/whats-new.xml': 'EMA: What\'s new', 'https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news.xml': 'EMA: News and press releases', 'https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-medicine-new.xml': 'EMA: Human medicine assessment reports'	23:29
de-facto	https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/update-assessment-biontech-pfizer-bnt162b2-vaccine-marketing-authorisation-application	23:29
de-facto	https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/events/extraordinary-meeting-committee-medicinal-products-human-use-chmp-21-december-2020	23:30
de-facto	"This extraordinary meeting is organised in the context of the evaluation of the COVID-19 vaccine BNT162b2 developed by BioNTech and Pfizer. The aim of the meeting is to assess additional information received from the company upon request of the Agency and to conclude the evaluation, if possible."	23:30
de-facto	https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/update-assessment-marketing-authorisation-application-modernas-mrna-1273-covid-19-vaccine	23:31
de-facto	https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/events/extraordinary-meeting-committee-medicinal-products-human-use-chmp-6-january-2021	23:32
de-facto	"This extraordinary meeting is organised in the context of the evaluation of the COVID-19 vaccine mRNA-1273 developed by Moderna. The aim of the meeting is to assess additional information received from the company upon request of the Agency and to conclude the evaluation, if possible."	23:33
de-facto	Hence BNT162b2 on 2020-12-21 or 2020-12-29 and mRNA-1273 on 2021-01-06 or 2021-01-12	23:34
LjL	de-facto, it's definitely possible that Brainstorm misses quite a few updates even though the feeds are there ;(	23:34
de-facto	i havent read all of Brainstorms messages, also i was not in the channel the whole time (had to update some of my bouncer boxes)	23:37
de-facto	honestly i am not such a big fan of Spahn publicly putting pressure on the schedule, id rather prefer him let EMA do its work, he cant tell them anything they dont know already	23:39
de-facto	Spahn should rather organize testing and tracing capacity	23:40
de-facto	we pay gazillions for the time in lockdown, hence he should make good usage of that expensive time	23:40
de-facto	it will probably cost more than 300 billion Euros additional debts (the whole COVID-19 thing)	23:42
de-facto	and what does Spahn do? Trying to speak big words rather than doing great things with the expensive time he is given by the lockdown	23:43
de-facto	I would have expected from him 1) Production capacity for personal protection equipment 2) Testing capacity with supply chain 3) Tracing capacity with modernized resources that can be acquired digitally (hence support local healthcare service workers)	23:45
de-facto	what do we have instead? no control whatsoever over the virus reproduction	23:47
de-facto	(sorry, i stop now, sometimes i am just frustrated with the mismanagement)	23:48
Brainstorm	New from BBC Health: Covid: Boris Johnson 'hoping to avoid' national lockdown: But the PM says Covid cases are increasing "very much", as Northern Ireland announces a tough new lockdown. → https://is.gd/iwOAyv	23:51
Brainstorm	Updates for Switzerland: +74 deaths (now 6561) since 23 hours ago	23:52

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