| de-facto | The mutation rate jump from 4E-4 to 9E-4 to UK variant B.1.1.7 is roughly worth 10 months of normal linear mutation rate of avg per site genetic divergence from root ~ 4E-4/9 months https://virological.org/uploads/default/original/2X/8/80b48244e0484fe8ba8b30722792f4b45462e314.png | 00:05 |
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| de-facto | https://virological.org/t/preliminary-genomic-characterisation-of-an-emergent-sars-cov-2-lineage-in-the-uk-defined-by-a-novel-set-of-spike-mutations/563 | 00:08 |
| LjL | do you have a favorite explanation for how that happened? | 00:09 |
| LjL | de-facto, DocScrutinizer05: you might be interested in https://fragdenstaat.de/anfrage/sap-cwa-jira-tickets-zu-den-themen-f-droid-vollkommen-quelloffener-software-und-reproduzierbare-builds-corona-warn-app/ | 00:12 |
| LjL | i got there from https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-app-android/issues/1483#issuecomment-753399141 | 00:12 |
| de-facto | im still not settled with one explanation, but the just is weird. in that forum they even speculate if animal ping-pong could have been involved i.e. similar to what happened with those mink farms | 00:18 |
| LjL | de-facto, i thought about that when i saw the line that said the 501 change increases affinity for human *and murine* receptors | 00:18 |
| de-facto | would mean a drastic change in selection pressure direction if the host species was swapped temporarily | 00:19 |
| de-facto | yeah | 00:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Britain Opts for Mix-and-Match Vaccinations, Confounding Experts - If a second dose of one vaccine isn’t available, another may be substituted, according to new U.K. guidelines → https://is.gd/Dl2ik4 | 00:28 |
| de-facto | LjL, yeah RKI gets lots of such requests or questions, they usually respond with "we are sorry but we dont have time to currently take care of your request" | 00:29 |
| de-facto | which is ... not so nice for the ones that wish for clarification, but on the other hand also understandable, they really have a lot to do and have to prioritize their limited resources | 00:30 |
| de-facto | ofc its debatable if their priorities always are correctly aligned, but imho they do a magnificent job | 00:31 |
| LjL | de-facto, comment that was just now posted is relevant https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-app-android/issues/1483#issuecomment-753403627 | 00:31 |
| LjL | izzy follows this stuff, since he runs an F-Droid repo | 00:31 |
| de-facto | Being fully open source with reproducible builds for sure is an important point, but if RKI can really address that? Afaik its SAP and DTAG responsible for the implementation so maybe RKI could tell them to look into that issue in the frame of supporting the app? | 00:39 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Staff to staff transmission as a driver of healthcare worker infections with COVID-19 (82 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.25.20248824v1 | https://redd.it/kohlj4 | 00:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19 News: 32 More Countries Have Found the More Contagious Virus Variant First Seen in Britain → https://is.gd/t01r3H | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +19890 cases (now 2.7 million), +133 deaths (now 64765) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +9227 cases (now 806779), +102 deaths (now 11529) since 22 hours ago — Canada: +1530 cases (now 583472), +13 deaths (now 15622) since 23 hours ago | 01:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Curacao: +29 cases (now 4289), +2 deaths (now 16) since 23 hours ago | 01:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 701: COVID-19 clinical update #43 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In Daniel Griffin’s final clinical report for 2020, he summarizes what we have learned about the clinical management of COVID-19 patients in the past year. → https://is.gd/nhLqgG | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>[1 Jan 2021 18:58:33] <de-facto> Israel got 8.8M citizens<< israel also got military literally everywhere in the streets | 02:46 |
| de-facto | yeah and vaccinating into a steeply rising incidence http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Germany;Israel&byPopulation=yes&cumulative=no&smooth=yes | 02:53 |
| de-facto | i guess this is a first time experiment with this pandemic, vaccinating while infections are rising steeply | 02:53 |
| de-facto | id wish they would lockdown with a super strict 24/7 curfew, wait for infection chains to dry out in the households while accumulating enough vaccines to do it all in one big shot, so incidence is low while immunity builds up and then herd immunity already would be present hence incidence stays low | 02:56 |
| de-facto | if not in the whole country then divide it in small compartments strictly isolated from each others and do it in each of them in a sequence | 02:57 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Afghanistan: +571 cases (now 52586), +23 deaths (now 2211) since 19 hours ago | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: hah, you know the orthodox? | 03:02 |
| de-facto | yeah good point would take long time indeed | 03:03 |
| de-facto | Israel seems to do it already pretty fast, but also got high incidence | 03:04 |
| de-facto | was there any viral epidemic that was brought down by vaccinations? | 03:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sound like a google question | 03:11 |
| de-facto | maybe some sort of globalized information feedback loop with faster back coupling than escaping mutations would be needed in case it would not work | 03:21 |
| de-facto | like accumulate sequences from 1% of tests globally to have a histogram about current frequency of specific mutations in incidence | 03:21 |
| de-facto | then integrate those variants into vaccines faster than those mutations can develop | 03:22 |
| de-facto | afaik BioNTech would need ~6 weeks to make a new variant of their mRNA | 03:27 |
| de-facto | so comparable to the time a full immunity between primer and booster would develop, e.g. 21+7 = 28 days, so immunity would be achived in ~66% of the development time for a new variant | 03:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: UK reactivates emergency COVID-19 hospitals, closes London primary schools → https://is.gd/W1726D | 03:31 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +19026 cases (now 1.8 million) since 23 hours ago — France: +19745 cases (now 2.7 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +11019 cases (now 808824), +119 deaths (now 11551) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +1242 cases (now 583798) since 20 hours ago | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think what would be really important is a comprehensive monitoring for ibfections in vaccinated people. Those would be prio one alarm situations | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it seems pretty futile to try and analyze by sequencing all emerging mutations if they will be covered by vaccines. a) too many and b) you will learn too late anyway. Spot them because they infect vaccinated people is the way to go | 04:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quicktetsts will become more important still than they are now, for monitoring vaccinated population if some are noticing symptoms | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/if/when/ | 04:22 |
| Mark_ | i dont think you can get a quick test in a lot of places | 04:23 |
| Mark_ | i guess maybe im projecting, but i dont know where to get a rapid test in AZ without some sort of referral or priority constraint | 04:24 |
| matamata[m] | м | 04:32 |
| matamata[m] | https://youtu.be/tdl7m_7ArJs | 04:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid wards 'full of children' for first time in pandemic, warn nurses → https://is.gd/AHUrvO | 04:32 |
| Mark_ | whats the yt video | 04:34 |
| Mark_ | its in russian | 04:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Suddenly overwhelmed, Ireland says thousands of COVID-19 cases yet to be added to tally → https://is.gd/8pqnBT | 04:45 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: Two New Mexico megachurches fined $10,000 each for packed Christmas services that violated Covid measures (10481 votes) | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-mexico-churches-christmas-service-fine-covid-b1780823.html | https://redd.it/kolw85 | 05:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WTF?! 1.8mm needle? :-O https://i.imgur.com/a7Iuxnt.png | 05:16 |
| Spec | good for injecting the garlic oils into the chickens | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | red-violet 1.4mm | 05:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: it's "safe" | 05:18 |
| LjL | great, but i won't look at it anyway! | 05:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 05:18 |
| whytek | Mark_, there is text in the video desc. | 05:21 |
| whytek | deepl.com does a reasonable job. | 05:21 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Monitor for COVID-19 vaccine resistance evolution during clinical trials (80 votes) | https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.3001000 | https://redd.it/koisyj | 05:24 |
| gigasu_shida | hi ljl | 05:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Turkish Scientists say they've made a 10-second COVID test that's 99% accurate → https://is.gd/RF1NRo | 05:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +1793 cases (now 648289), +53 deaths (now 19581) since 23 hours ago | 05:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Australia’s virus cluster expands as Victoria, New South Wales clock new cases → https://is.gd/gZxBux | 06:10 |
| synchrotronics[m | <matamata[m] "https://youtu.be/tdl7m_7ArJs"> В Польше тоже кипит. Врачи и профессоры написали уже два открытые письма к правительству. Послал ваш фильм русским коллегам. | 06:32 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: The high infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 is associated with increased interaction force between Spike-ACE2 caused by the viral N501Y mutation (81 votes) | https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.29.424708v1 | https://redd.it/koklja | 06:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): Covid2019: Pelosi’s San Francisco Home Vandalized With Graffiti, Apparent Pig’s Head → https://is.gd/aETzxq | 06:46 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for New York, United States: +17033 cases (now 995816), +172 deaths (now 38155) since a day ago — Arkansas, United States: +4304 cases (now 229442), +35 deaths (now 3711) since a day ago — Missouri, United States: +4072 cases (now 407477), +19 deaths (now 5713) since a day ago — Maryland, United States: +3557 cases (now 280219), +47 deaths (now 5942) since a day ago | 07:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: This is why consuming Vitamin D is essential to combating COVID-19 → https://is.gd/1R8O2F | 07:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, Didn't Drosen comment on a similar find in the "mink strain" that a stronger binding is not only advantageous since eventually >>the virus has to let go of that binding again to proceed with its mission<< (OWTTE) | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | re >>The high infectivity of SARS-CoV-2 B.1.1.7 is associated with increased interaction force between Spike-ACE2<< ^^^ | 08:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: COVID-19 Vaccine Will Be Free for All Across India, Says Union Health Minister Dr Harsh Vardhan → https://is.gd/hONWLf | 08:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: New Year resolutions versus pandemic: What has 2020 taught people about planning ahead? → https://is.gd/WsPwod | 08:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: All Indians to get free COVID-19 vaccine, says Union Minister Harsh Vardhan → https://is.gd/dpdDuO | 08:48 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | January 02, 2021: The WHO pages contain up-to-date and global information. Please refer to our Wiki for additional information. → https://is.gd/INmwkv | 09:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: How Israel became a world leader in vaccinating against the coronavirus → https://is.gd/ANXANc | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: ^^^ | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however, I still think a few days or even weeks sooner or later start of vaccination doesn't make a big difference. What totally sucks in Germany for example is that they don't come to pace even after start of vaccination | 09:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even Leopoldina (though sometimes they are a tad detached from reality in my book) starts bitching at government for that | 09:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Tokyo to request new emergency declaration as COVID-19 cases climb: Report → https://is.gd/hNGBBc | 10:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Health Minister says Covid-19 vaccine to be provided free of cost across India → https://is.gd/Wi78km | 11:15 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Eritrea: +2 deaths (now 3) since a day ago | 11:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: Proportion of 501Y.V1 / B.1.1.7 #SARSCoV2 variant is rising in Denmark. Denmark does a remarkable amount of sequencing - our views are much less clear elsewhere.(Note the below means 11% of all cases were sequenced - the frequency of the new variant is 2.3% of sequences.) → https://is.gd/LJKHnq | 11:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Are you still smoking in the COVID–19 era? → https://is.gd/VaSh1u | 12:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: (news): PRESIDENZA DEL CONSIGLIO DEI MINISTRI - IL COMMISSARIO STRAORDINARIO PER L'ATTUAZIONE E IL COORDINAMENTO DELLE MISURE DI CONTENIMENTO E CONTRASTO DELL'EMERGENZA EPIDEMIOLOGICA COVID-19 - ORDINANZA 28 dicembre 2020 → https://is.gd/1B0Ar0 | 12:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for UAE: +1963 cases (now 211641), +3 deaths (now 674) since 22 hours ago | 12:40 |
| de-facto | RKI Germany COVID-19 2021-01-02 (new years delayed rep.): Weekly Incidence 141.2/100k, Infections +12690 (1755351 total), Fatalities +336 (33960 total), COVID@ICU 5705 (incl 3127 on ventilator) | 12:42 |
| de-facto | two districts over with weekly >500/100k one even >885/100k | 12:45 |
| genera | that lockdowns is working very goodly | 13:02 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lesotho: +14 deaths (now 65) since a day ago | 13:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Art and Culture: From the highways to the skies: Pakistan’s famous truck art goes airborne → https://is.gd/izqTr4 | 13:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_ITALIA: Le 10 nazioni al mondo con il maggior numero di dosi di vaccino Covid-19 somministrate su 100 persone → https://is.gd/xcI9yH | 13:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | genera: the annoyance being: we simply don't know how well it works | 13:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but can tell for sure it soesn't work as fine as we all hoped for | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +12603 cases (now 1.8 million) since 23 hours ago | 14:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Schools reopening: Call for closures as Covid cases rise → https://is.gd/3Y3m0K | 14:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 26 retirement home residents die of COVID-19 after Santa visit in Belgium → https://is.gd/xKEQvD | 14:43 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: High dose vitamin D improves total serum antioxidant capacity and ICU outcome in critically ill patients - a randomized, double-blind clinical trial (82 votes) | https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1876382020314529 | https://redd.it/kovm1x | 14:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 300k IU D IM | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 15:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>ICU length of stay was 18.3±8.4 and 25.4±6.6 days in the intervention and placebo arms...<< | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 5 vs 12 fatalities | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cohort of 32... hmmm | 15:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Germany's BioNTech racing to ramp up vaccine production → https://is.gd/p97DW0 | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile, 2500 celebrating a new years party in France | 15:08 |
| de-facto | should be forced in strict 2 weeks quarantine, sanctioned with 10k fines on breach and made paying all the bills for the costs they caused plus a big fine for not sticking to the law | 15:11 |
| de-facto | each breach of quarantine doubling the fines like 10k€ * 2^(N-1) | 15:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +63 deaths (now 7725) since 23 hours ago | 15:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: India Approves AstraZeneca COVID-19 Vaccine For Emergency Use: Almost 150,000 people in India have died from complications of COVID-19, behind only the U.S. and Brazil. India plans to begin inoculating its population of 1.4 billion this month. → https://is.gd/HDI2pl | 15:57 |
| IndoAnon | https://nitter.net/DrEricDing/status/1345382699071102977 | 16:16 |
| IndoAnon | %title | 16:16 |
| Brainstorm | IndoAnon: From nitter.net: Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing): "📍Worrisome new data—new B117 variant is not only more infectious, it’s potentially more infectious in children 0-9 (+24%) and 10-19 (+14%), and less among 60-79, [...] | 16:16 |
| IndoAnon | https://nitter.net/CDNAngryPenguin/status/1345383101212602371 | 16:16 |
| IndoAnon | %title | 16:17 |
| Brainstorm | IndoAnon: From nitter.net: AngryPenguin (@CDNAngryPenguin): "@firefoxx66 ,pls debunk this like you did this morning. Eric needs to stop inducing panic when the data doesn't support this theory." | nitter | 16:17 |
| jacklsw | how's life there IndoAnon | 16:22 |
| IndoAnon | jacklsw: nothing changes, beside less income | 16:31 |
| IndoAnon | That's if you asked me... Other, not so good... Some got furloughed or outright fired | 16:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Maskless people yell 'Covid is a hoax' at A&E doc after NYE shift in London. → https://is.gd/uzsGqk | 16:34 |
| jacklsw | malaysia can't handle rising covid cases anymore | 16:36 |
| jacklsw | business as usual | 16:36 |
| darsie | jacklsw: Do hospitals prioritize covid emergencies differently than other stuff like injuries or kidney stones? | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | %cases france | 16:52 |
| Brainstorm | DocScrutinizer05: In France, there have been 2.7 million confirmed cases (4.0% of the population) and 64796 deaths (2.4% of cases) as of 9 hours ago. 35.4 million tests were performed (7.5% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 16:52 |
| jacklsw | darsie: not sure how hosp is handling it now | 16:55 |
| darsie | . | 16:55 |
| jacklsw | those who have mild covid just told to stay at home | 16:55 |
| IndoAnon | kek | 16:56 |
| IndoAnon | jacklsw: at the end, soft lockdown is the answer. While everyone get their own priorities, government should prevent this pandemic from spiking like crazy | 16:59 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +21813 cases (now 2.6 million), +186 deaths (now 74311) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +8472 cases (now 814715), +57 deaths (now 11585) since 18 hours ago | 17:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Germany's COVID vaccine procurement labeled a 'gross failure': The Berlin government is under increasing fire from experts and politicians for not buying enough doses of the BioNTech-Pfizer coronavirus vaccine to quickly roll out its immunization program → https://is.gd/ulJNoG | 17:35 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans (80 votes) | https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-132821/v1 | https://redd.it/koxkm1 | 17:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: A Continent Where the Dead Are Not Counted. - All 54 African countries put together have registered fewer Covid deaths than France. That doesn’t mean people aren’t dying from the virus. → https://is.gd/UYpRtu | 17:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Thailand weighs new curbs to contain its biggest coronavirus wave → https://is.gd/7qdE3T | 18:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Dr. Fauci advises against the British approach of delaying a second dose of vaccine → https://is.gd/QkV1sR | 18:12 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +3712 cases (now 586308), +46 deaths (now 15661) since 23 hours ago | 18:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Bangkok imposes partial lockdown to combat virus: Bangkok's nightlife will go quiet as a ban on bars, nightclubs and restaurant alcohol sales goes into effect Saturday, among a raft of restrictions aimed at curbing the kingdom's rising coronavirus toll. → https://is.gd/uK327k | 18:49 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +11825 cases (now 2.1 million), +364 deaths (now 74985) since a day ago | 18:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: India holds vaccine drills ahead of mass inoculation drive: India on Saturday staged nationwide drills to start one of the world's biggest coronavirus vaccination programmes as the drug regulator prepared to approve the first vaccine. → https://is.gd/3beTT2 | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Tokyo calls for state of emergency over virus third wave: Tokyo's governor on Saturday asked Japan's central government to declare a new state of emergency as the country battles a third wave of the coronavirus, with record numbers of new cases. → https://is.gd/XPpoIm | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: UK hits daily virus record, is urged to keep schools closed: With daily coronavirus infections surging as a result of a new virus variant, the British government faced mounting pressure Saturday from teachers' unions to keep schools in England closed for at least another two weeks. → https://is.gd/j9VdJF | 19:25 |
| LjL | yes PLEASE keep the schools closed | 19:29 |
| Mark_ | my mom is a teacher and got chosen to be the 'virtual teacher' for kids that parents opted them out | 19:32 |
| Mark_ | which im fine with, seeing as shes 60 | 19:32 |
| Mark_ | i also think they should all be full virtual | 19:32 |
| LjL | uhm okay i know it's 2 january and people don't want to be counting new cases but we can't have such a ridiculous number of tests per day | 19:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: New COVID-19 Variant Spreads To Dozens Of Countries: The new strain, which likely originated in the U.K. in September, has spread to more than 30 countries across several continents. Meanwhile, the U.S. saw record COVID-19 deaths in December. → https://is.gd/vK1FGx | 19:38 |
| LjL | de-facto, now https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/#box_18 is also offering vaccination data for a few countries | 19:38 |
| de-facto | nice | 19:40 |
| de-facto | RKI only provides a xslx that i have to download every day, archive and process | 19:41 |
| de-facto | btw is that just a reporting delay artifact or does incidence in Italy potentially show first signs to start to go up again? http://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Italy&cumulative=no | 19:42 |
| LjL | case count for Italy is clearly jumping back up, we need to deploy vaccines fast | 19:43 |
| de-facto | so its already seen as manifesting a trend beyond effects of delayed reporting catching up? | 19:43 |
| IndoAnon | LjL: as expected | 19:43 |
| LjL | de-facto, definitely showing sign, and if there's any artifact, it's that tests and cases are lagging behind. on Sole 24 Ore it can be seen that the number of people isolating at home has been growing for 3 days, now hospitalizations are starting to grow too, and also a hint of calls to 112 going up | 19:43 |
| de-facto | damn that does not sound good | 19:44 |
| LjL | de-facto, today it says 11000 new cases, but the actual cases/test ratio is higher than... in a long time. testing today has been at almost an all-time low | 19:44 |
| IndoAnon | Maybe, the lag is around 5-7 days | 19:45 |
| LjL | https://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/coronavirus/en/#box_6 take this table, you can zoom in to the latter part by dragging the left side of the bar below it | 19:46 |
| de-facto | very nice they provide daily change values now, cummulative graphs tell me nothing (except for vaccinations or seroprevalence) | 19:46 |
| de-facto | those #box ids get deleted by my browser for some reason | 19:47 |
| LjL | they work in mine, anyway i don't have another way to link to specific graphs... | 19:47 |
| LjL | the daily incidence graph has been there for a long time. just, it's not available for the data they have by province/region | 19:47 |
| de-facto | oh in FF it works, just not in Chromium | 19:49 |
| LjL | de-facto, try selecting "Media mobile a 7 giorni". aside from the glitch there is around 20 december, it's plain to see that the cases/tests ratio was going smoothly down, and is now going smoothly up. it annoys me that the tests are still going down despite that. we need much faster reaction time. | 19:49 |
| de-facto | interesting | 19:49 |
| LjL | (red line) | 19:49 |
| de-facto | hmm interesting, why does it have that "box" just before Xmess? | 19:51 |
| LjL | de-facto, because on 17 december there is an artifact that makes it show 0 tests, and in the 7-day average that impacts, well, 7 days | 19:51 |
| de-facto | oh indeed now i see it too | 19:52 |
| de-facto | 12.3% positive or 1/8 | 19:53 |
| de-facto | Germany even got 12.96% positive tests | 19:54 |
| de-facto | https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Daten/Testzahlen-gesamt.html | 19:55 |
| de-facto | with 43 labs having samples on queue with a total of 11321 samples in queue | 19:57 |
| de-facto | per week | 19:57 |
| de-facto | weekly testing cap only 1.3M 9months into the pandemic | 19:58 |
| de-facto | i just wish politicians would do two things 1) Enforce a completely strict EU wide curfew 24/7 without any exceptions until incidence came down and 2) Put wartime effort in ramping up vaccine production (on hold for doing it all in one big strike) and vaccinate as soon as incidence came down with the fastest rate possible, e.g. also 24/7 | 20:08 |
| de-facto | then with herd immunity in place the low incidence could not get out of control again and bruteforcing escaping mutants would be kept to a bare minimum | 20:09 |
| IndoAnon | de-facto: 4th reich time eh? | 20:09 |
| LjL | i can't agree a curfew "without any exception". people need to eat, they need healthcare, and essential services like electricity must continue and they do require continuous monitoring and maintenance | 20:09 |
| IndoAnon | The thing is, 24/7 curfew can't be reached without proper prep | 20:10 |
| de-facto | the rest must be traced down and eliminated by quarantine, it would be the quickest path for economy to recover from the constant impact of this | 20:10 |
| LjL | IndoAnon, that is not a particularly nice thing to say to a german (or anyone, probably) | 20:10 |
| IndoAnon | I could prep for months. But, many people don't have much wealth... LjL : wkwk. I don't think it's possible. | 20:11 |
| IndoAnon | Frankly, enforcing that would require massive numbers of people who must patrol on streets. But, that means police and army are the exception | 20:12 |
| de-facto | why not inform people one month in advance, like with the start of Feb we go into hard curfew so they can prepare themselves. Yes there would be a run hence restricting amount of things per customer might mitigate that. make the ending date of the curfew mandatory and not changeable so people really could plan for it | 20:14 |
| IndoAnon | It's certainly not nice. But, fiscal union without policy union also aren't nice either | 20:14 |
| de-facto | then yes enforce that with police and if required even military, i know that sounds crazy but imho would be fair for the majority sticking to the rules that it is ensured that their combined efforts are not sabotaged by tolerating a minority not to stick to the rules | 20:15 |
| de-facto | i know it would not happen anyhow, but honestly i wish it would. | 20:16 |
| IndoAnon | de-facto: It's actually much simpler if the state ordered the manufacturer to make a care package(consumables) for a month | 20:16 |
| de-facto | yeah or that, imho the stricter the faster incidence would come down hence shortening the duration of impact | 20:17 |
| IndoAnon | Maybe 20kg bag of muesli + 12L of UHT + 10kg of pilot bread + 5kg of {pasta, canned tomato} +2L of {soap, shampoo, detergent} + 2KG of TP | 20:21 |
| de-facto | with doing the minimum necessary to avoid overfull hospitals and waiting with that as long as possible we did not have so much success, so now with the perspective of vaccinations to bring herd immunity we really might go for a final punch to bring it down and never let it out of control agian | 20:21 |
| de-facto | i tried that, was not shopping since 20th of Dec or had any human contact, its actually quite easy, and if im bored i can chat in IRC :) | 20:22 |
| IndoAnon | I still remember LjL have said about "not losing control over infection rate" around 2-3 months ago | 20:23 |
| de-facto | yeah and the official institutions warned around that time that exactly that could happen what we see now | 20:24 |
| de-facto | I remember RKI warning that we really need to do more when daily incidence went above 1000 infections per day in Germany | 20:25 |
| de-facto | they said back then that we would need to stop this now and break the trend because later with higher incidence it would be much much more difficult | 20:25 |
| de-facto | well know we know for sure | 20:25 |
| de-facto | looking at states that acted proactively this very much turned out to be true | 20:26 |
| IndoAnon | Maybe allowing passenger airplane to fly again was a huge mistake | 20:26 |
| de-facto | .title https://necsi.edu/unsuccessful-versus-successful-covid-strategies | 20:29 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From necsi.edu: Unsuccessful versus Successful COVID Strategies — New England Complex Systems Institute | 20:29 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ireland: +3394 cases (now 96926), +4 deaths (now 2252) since a day ago — France: +140 deaths (now 64859) since 22 hours ago — Comoros: +41 cases (now 864), +3 deaths (now 13) since a day ago | 20:31 |
| IndoAnon | de-facto: nice link | 20:33 |
| de-facto | its ideas about approaches worth investigating, imho quite some good ones | 20:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: Israel leads vaccine race with 12% given jab → https://is.gd/SJY68K | 20:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +8480 cases (now 814723) since 22 hours ago | 21:02 |
| LjL | de-facto, https://github.com/corona-warn-app/cwa-app-android/issues/1483#issuecomment-753521574 | 21:15 |
| genera | nice find | 21:18 |
| whytek | IndoAnon, I kinda get you have some intentions in the right direction there... but you know, things like food allergies, not to mention detergent allergies exist. | 21:19 |
| whytek | Pretty much everything on your list of what a private sector group would supply are high allergy triggers. | 21:20 |
| whytek | wheat, milk, tomatoes, chemical products. | 21:20 |
| LjL | an article that was posted here yesterday was retracted https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/kop2qh/covid_wards_full_of_children_for_first_time_in/ghuc51m/ | 21:20 |
| whytek | TP == toilet paper? | 21:21 |
| blkshp | apparently. | 21:22 |
| whytek | Not to say this could not be done, of course. just needs a little more attention to realities. | 21:22 |
| IndoAnon | whytek: it's just a sample of what care package would be like... | 21:25 |
| whytek | IndoAnon, sure.. :) | 21:26 |
| IndoAnon | *a | 21:26 |
| whytek | Just sayin it might not be some simple to come up with one for everybody, especially in countries where hyper individualismhas been promoted so strongly | 21:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'Overwhelmed' Zimbabwe tightens COVID-19 restrictions, orders most businesses closed → https://is.gd/2IPkAj | 21:28 |
| whytek | But I guess this individualism has to be a victim of covid. | 21:29 |
| IndoAnon | Surely, they could make a form to pick&match what carb you would like | 21:29 |
| IndoAnon | yea | 21:29 |
| LjL | choosing what you eat is "hyper individualism"? | 21:30 |
| LjL | i get that we're in a difficult situation but sometimes i'm almost most scared of things the situation makes people say that they would normally just keep to themselves i guess | 21:31 |
| whytek | LjL, well, that is an extreme example | 21:32 |
| whytek | I would suggest that some Paleolithic diet choices are related to hyper individualism, | 21:33 |
| whytek | But I'm actually pointing out the need to allow people to choose what they eat, also at the same time, I'm pointing out that this is not a luxury that most of the world's population has. | 21:34 |
| ubLIX[m] | i think there is a general misuse of 'individualism' here. the word 'wrong' seems perfectly adequate to cover the cases. and there is something ironic about invoking individualism to characterise mass mob stupidity | 21:34 |
| whytek | don't mean to start something and run... but gotta go AFK. | 21:35 |
| ubLIX[m] | and mass stupidity co-opted by pernicious political forces at that. some notion of individualism that is | 21:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 240 Israelis found with COVID after vaccination, underscoring need for vigilance → https://is.gd/YhNZgL | 21:40 |
| genera | which vax is that | 21:44 |
| LjL | pfizer | 21:44 |
| LjL | but nothing really unexpected there | 21:44 |
| LjL | the article doesn't say *when* they got it, but it hints that most of them probably got it in the short period (~10 days) when the vaccine is not yet effective | 21:45 |
| LjL | also, even when the vaccine is at top effectiveness, it'll still fail in 5% of cases. and israel is vaccinating a ton of people, so 240 may quickly just become a low estimate of the expected number of that | 21:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: 4 deaths and a record high of 3,394 new cases confirmed in Ireland → https://is.gd/Et1ElX | 21:53 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: New strain of Covid-19 tripled infections despite UK lockdown, report says (10028 votes) | https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210102-new-strain-of-covid-19-tripled-infections-despite-uk-lockdown-report-says | https://redd.it/koxc1z | 21:55 |
| whytek | Um.. ubLIX[m] OK, so maybe I'm not doing a very good job here with the words, but that's OK as Adam Curtis' documentary "the century of the self" does a really fine job (much better than I can) of pointing out exactly how "mass stupidity co-opted by pernicious political forces" === individualism | 21:55 |
| whytek | to a T | 21:55 |
| whytek | And, you're correct, it is indeed ironic ;-) | 21:58 |
| whytek | Maybe I should take this kind of discussion to ##coronavirus-vox | 22:00 |
| whytek | Hmm BTW, LjL, you definately put words in my mouth there with IRT "almost scared" - I did not say that. | 22:02 |
| whytek | But I am "almost scared" at the idea that some incompetent would send me a package of what I'm supposed to consume and have around my home for a month. | 22:04 |
| whytek | God knows, they would probably send perfumed Toilet paper or something. | 22:04 |
| LjL-Matrix | IRT? | 22:05 |
| LjL-Matrix | I said I'm almost more* scared, and I wasn't just thinking about what you said | 22:06 |
| whytek | Also, given that looking after one's immune system should be top priority right now, eating what's considered "food" by the mass mob is possibly not such a great idea. | 22:06 |
| whytek | LjL-Matrix, thanks. and IRT is meant to be "in relation to" but i think I got my grammar wrong. | 22:07 |
| whytek | :) | 22:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | The type of discussion is appropriate for here, for the record, you can take it to -vox but you don't have to | 22:08 |
| whytek | ok thnx for clarification | 22:08 |
| whytek | it's a bit more quiet over there. | 22:08 |
| LjL-Matrix | Ah, I'm more familiar with "wrt" | 22:08 |
| whytek | yes.. wrt better | 22:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India's coronavirus vaccine approved by drugs experts → https://is.gd/UsBONv | 22:17 |
| de-facto | LjL interesting about that comment from SAP thanks for linking to it | 22:49 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add mink link that was missing → https://is.gd/Nki4R8 | 23:06 |
| LjL | de-facto, DocScrutinizer05, someone i know has made this thing https://jonorthwash.github.io/covid19projection/ which i assume is only limited to those particular places because that's the ones whose parameters have been input... source code and explanation at https://github.com/jonorthwash/covid19projection which i'm sure you can understand better than i can | 23:39 |
| de-facto | thats pretty neat | 23:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Russia ready to trial combined AstraZeneca, Sputnik V vaccine in Ukraine → https://is.gd/71w8WJ | 23:54 |
| LjL | ugh, speaking of which | 23:54 |
| LjL | has anyone heard (i have hearsay) that the UK is pondering using Pfizer for one shot and AstraZeneca for the other? | 23:55 |
| LjL | that seems like an incredibly stupid thing to do to me... something that wasn't in any trial protocol and that can't be compared with any other country's baseline, nevermind with unknown side effects | 23:55 |
| Mark_ | why would someone do that | 23:56 |
| LjL | Mark_, not having enough Pfizer and knowing that more of it won't come in time for the enormous wave they're having, i'd presume | 23:58 |
| LjL | but then if they thought like that i'd also figure they'd, like, CLOSE SCHOOLS... but nope | 23:59 |
| Mark_ | well, why not assign people to either pfizer or AZ groups | 23:59 |
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