| de-facto | yeah strange why did Egypt well, i thought they had mainly tourism industry? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | philippines like -8.3. I thought duterte said smthg about his plan to kill off covid patients | 00:01 |
| de-facto | Egypt: Tourism & Travel 22%, Transport 17%, ... https://atlas.cid.harvard.edu/countries/68/export-basket | 00:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +100 deaths (now 8018) since 22 hours ago | 00:04 |
| de-facto | Vietnam also did very well | 00:06 |
| de-facto | +1.6% | 00:06 |
| de-facto | %cases vietnam | 00:06 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: In Vietnam, there have been 1504 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 35 deaths (2.3% of cases) as of 8 hours ago. 1.4 million tests were performed (0.1% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Vietnam for time series data. | 00:06 |
| de-facto | in all of the year! | 00:06 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | <de-facto "Egypt: Tourism & Travel 22%, Tra"> they export transit? Like making buses? | 00:07 |
| de-facto | 97,3M citizens in vietnam | 00:07 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | <de-facto "Vietnam also did very well"> cus they had that banger covid song | 00:07 |
| de-facto | haha yeah they actually had a really smart strategy | 00:08 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | aside from the song, what was their strat? | 00:08 |
| de-facto | i think very proactive rather than reactive | 00:09 |
| de-facto | i was worried at some point when they evacuated citizens from lockdown area but obviously they did contain it, quite impressive acutally | 00:09 |
| de-facto | 35 fatalities in 2020 due to COVID-19 in all of Vietnam | 00:10 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | Detection: Vietnam has taken a targeted approach to testing, scaled up testing in areas with community transmission, and conducted three degrees of contact tracing for each positive case. | 00:11 |
| de-facto | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Vietnam | 00:13 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | i'm looking at https://ourworldindata.org/covid-exemplar-vietnam | 00:14 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | this site is valid right? | 00:14 |
| de-facto | yeah they are very good imho | 00:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China blocks entry to WHO team studying Covid's origins → https://is.gd/h5ycE8 | 00:21 |
| de-facto | btw nice paper from CoronaBot above https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.03.21249162v1 | 00:25 |
| de-facto | "This longitudinal cohort study including 1972 healthcare workers, of which 386 participants exhibited antibodies against the SARS-CoV-2 spike antigen at study inclusion, reveal that these antibodies remain detectable in the vast majority of participants, 98%, at least four months post infection, despite having had no or mild symptoms." | 00:25 |
| de-facto | "These antibody levels did not differ from those found in 59 convalescent COVID-19 patients (p=0.7). Virus neutralization capacity was confirmed by microneutralization assay in 93% of study participants at least four months post infection." | 00:26 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | pretty good! | 00:27 |
| de-facto | yeah thats good news indeed | 00:27 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | "In collaboration with the US CDC, Vietnam piloted an “event-based” surveillance" | 00:28 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | I heard usa actually has a good pandemic program, but they dropped it around trump's win? | 00:28 |
| de-facto | probably its not like western countries would have a lack of knowledge or expertise | 00:30 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | in your opinion, why hasn't any western country dealt with coivd well? (I think no western country has dealt with it well) | 00:33 |
| de-facto | probably many reasons, imho its mainly because in western countries the emphasis is on individualism in contrast to many Asian countries | 00:35 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | thats my theory too | 00:36 |
| de-facto | just before 2020 in many Asian countries it already was common to wear facemasks in crowded places, remembering what a huge hurdle it was in most western countries to introduce them shows already a generic difference in attitude towards other people in society | 00:38 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | oh yeah, i tot forgot about that! | 00:38 |
| de-facto | .tilte https://youtu.be/FZWpIljtX3Q?t=808 <-- Press conference today about the strategy in Germany (German language), havent watched it yet | 00:39 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | India to cull tens of thousands of birds over avian flu outbreak https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/5/india-to-cull-tens-of-thousands-of-birds-over-avian-flu-outbreak | 00:39 |
| de-facto | .title https://youtu.be/FZWpIljtX3Q?t=808 <-- Press conference today about the strategy in Germany (German language), havent watched it yet | 00:39 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From youtu.be: Nach Bund-Länder-Treffen: Merkel, Söder und Müller zu Beratungen über verlängerten Lockdown - YouTube | 00:39 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | <de-facto ".tilte https://youtu.be/FZWpIljt"> since nobody else besides us is online, will any german speakers see this link? (I'm not on freenode, so idk how it works really) | 00:40 |
| de-facto | Paper about the consensus in German https://www.bundesregierung.de/resource/blob/997532/1834306/75346aa9bba1050fec8025b18a4bb1a3/2021-01-05-beschluss-mpk-data.pdf?download=1 | 00:40 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, ^^ | 00:41 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | COVID-19: How will India vaccinate nearly 1 billion people? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/5/covid-19-how-will-india-vaccine-nearly-1-billion-people #News | 00:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: 2021 Grammy Awards Postponed Due To Coronavirus Concerns: As Los Angeles experiences a significant increase in new COVID-19 infections, the Recording Academy and CBS have decided to postpone the annual music awards until March 14. → https://is.gd/sFMVpR | 00:46 |
| de-facto | so Germany will extend shutdown at least till 31st of Jan and even restrict contacts further to only 1 person of one foreign household | 00:47 |
| de-facto | if weekly incidence is over 200/100k movement will be restricted to 15km radius | 00:48 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | de-facto: since nobody else besides us is online, will any german speakers see this link? (I'm not on freenode, so idk how it works really) | 00:50 |
| de-facto | seems schools remain closed | 00:50 |
| de-facto | karaaltmyPTIOisl, the other ones are just idling, maybe they read later | 00:51 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | i see | 00:51 |
| de-facto | they expect to be able to get an estimate about the pandemic situation ~17th of January | 00:52 |
| de-facto | and they meet again at 25th of Jan to plan further strategies | 00:53 |
| de-facto | imho thats pretty good, finally they seem to do the right ting | 00:53 |
| de-facto | *finally they seem to do the right thing | 00:53 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | Duterte defends soldiers who got illegal COVID vaccine from China | 00:54 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | Ahh there duterte is! | 00:54 |
| de-facto | Merkel also wants that Germany does more sequencing to find mutations | 00:56 |
| gigasu_shida | could these mutations render the jabs useless? | 00:57 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | gigasu_shida: yes its physically possible | 00:58 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | the uk mutation seems unlikely to do so however | 00:58 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | afaik | 00:58 |
| gigasu_shida | i hope the Sprotein doesn't change | 00:59 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | in ww2 afaik we had volkswagon making volkstanks. Why don't we have volkscovacins? | 01:03 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | Or like fordcovacins | 01:03 |
| de-facto | regions in Germany with weekly incidence over 200/100k (hence movements restricted to 15km radius) | 01:04 |
| de-facto | LK Meißen: 492.7; LK Altenburger Land: 463.1; LK Vogtlandkreis: 434.5; LK Bautzen: 392.7; SK Coburg: 392; LK Nordsachsen: 372.2; LK Sächsische Schweiz-Osterzgebirge: 367.3; LK Erzgebirgskreis: 359.8; LK Deggendorf: 342.3; LK Saale-Holzland-Kreis: 341.2; LK Wunsiedel i.Fichtelgebirge: 335.8; LK Saale-Orla-Kreis: 331.2; LK Mansfeld-Südharz: 327.5; LK Coburg: 321.6; LK Hildburghausen: 321.2; LK Mittelsachsen: 317; SK Passau: 312.5; | 01:04 |
| de-facto | LK Wartburgkreis: 311; LK Passau: 309.9; SK Hof: 309.9; LK Oberspreewald-Lausitz: 307.2; LK Saalfeld-Rudolstadt: 302.3; | 01:04 |
| de-facto | LK Tirschenreuth: 297; LK Ilm-Kreis: 293.6; LK Berchtesgadener Land: 293.6; SK Eisenach: 293.5; LK Bayreuth: 289.4; LK Zwickau: 286; SK Nürnberg: 285.5; LK Regen: 285.5; LK Kulmbach: 285.1; LK Freyung-Grafenau: 284.6; LK Elbe-Elster: 280.9; LK Sömmerda: 275.1; LK Eichsfeld: 273; LK Leipzig: 272.3; LK Unstrut-Hainich-Kreis: 267; LK Sonneberg: 266.8; LK Limburg-Weilburg: 261.2; LK Görlitz: 260; LK Gießen: 259.7; LK Schmalkalden-Meining | 01:04 |
| de-facto | en: 251.4; | 01:04 |
| de-facto | LK Saalekreis: 249.2; LK Rottal-Inn: 246.9; LK Roth: 244.6; SK Pforzheim: 244.5; SK Chemnitz: 237.9; SK Speyer: 237.3; SK Suhl: 231; SK Bayreuth: 220.6; LK Salzlandkreis: 218.4; LK Greiz: 217.7; SK Weiden i.d.OPf.: 217.6; LK Haßberge: 215.7; SK Frankfurt (Oder): 214.7; LK Weimarer Land: 214.2; LK Straubing-Bogen: 213.6; SK Dresden: 213.5; SK Fürth: 213.2; SK Potsdam: 212.4; SK Dessau-Roßlau: 212.2; LK Enzkreis: 210; SK Halle: 206.5; | 01:04 |
| de-facto | LK Rhön-Grabfeld: 204.7; LK Tuttlingen: 204.6; SK Herne: 203.9; LK Dingolfing-Landau: 203.8; SK Landshut: 201.6 | 01:04 |
| de-facto | so thats 68 districts | 01:04 |
| de-facto | Vaccinations per 100 people worldwide | 01:07 |
| de-facto | Israel: 15.83; United: Arab: Emirates: 8.35; Bahrain: 3.75; Scotland: 1.69; Northern: Ireland: 1.64; United: States: 1.46; Iceland: 1.43; England: 1.40; United: Kingdom: 1.39; Wales: 1.12; Denmark: 0.89; Russia: 0.55; Canada: 0.38; Germany: 0.38; Croatia: 0.34; Malta: 0.32; China: 0.31; Portugal: 0.31; Italy: 0.30; Spain: 0.30; | 01:07 |
| de-facto | Slovenia: 0.29; Poland: 0.24; Estonia: 0.24; Romania: 0.22; Oman: 0.21; World: 0.19; Luxembourg: 0.19; Hungary: 0.16; Greece: 0.16; Latvia: 0.15; Slovakia: 0.13; Czechia: 0.12; Finland: 0.10; Lithuania: 0.08; Ireland: 0.08; Argentina: 0.07; Bulgaria: 0.07; Austria: 0.07; Kuwait: 0.06; Costa: Rica: 0.05; Chile: 0.05; Norway: 0.04; Mexico: 0.03; Belgium: 0.01; France: 0.01; | 01:07 |
| de-facto | source: https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations | 01:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Bolsonaro Says the Best Vaccine for Covid-19 Is the Virus, which Has Killed More than 188,000 in Brazil → https://is.gd/Qo4nJH | 01:10 |
| de-facto | omg that guy | 01:11 |
| gigasu_shida | lol | 01:15 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | i thought that was a meme at first | 01:16 |
| ubLIX[m] | bin_bash: that was a long and increasingly disheartening (perhaps just the author's framing) essay. i guess if you operate such labs and such GoF research indefinitely, the probability of lab leak goes to 1 | 01:16 |
| bin_bash | ubLIX[m]: yep | 01:20 |
| bin_bash | ubLIX[m]: that's how i felt about it too | 01:20 |
| bin_bash | but worth reading and sharing | 01:20 |
| LjL | is it a moral imperative that i read it, considering i already believe in my semi-secret personal mind that the virus is more likely than not to have originated as an accident in a lab? | 01:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from New Scientist: Coronavirus crisis worsens with global surges and fresh outbreaks: Coronavirus vaccine roll-out cannot happen fast enough as second and third waves of covid-19 continue to grow around the world, and countries that had coronavirus under control are now losing their grip → https://is.gd/QlA5mt | 01:23 |
| bin_bash | LjL: i don't know if it's a moral imperative, but it's a worthwhile read | 01:24 |
| bin_bash | i also agree that the most likely scenario is that it was a lab accident | 01:24 |
| bin_bash | so maybe im jsut confirming my existing biases, but it's extremely well written | 01:24 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +11340 cases (now 2.7 million) since 21 hours ago — Netherlands: +4853 cases (now 836718) since 21 hours ago | 01:25 |
| ubLIX[m] | i guess i would say it is one author's reasonably well measured (and evidently well (journalistically) researched) narrative and historical account of virology research as it might relate to SARS2, which also touches glancingly on the character of some of the characters in this arena | 01:28 |
| LjL | but gosh it's long | 01:31 |
| de-facto | Mobility in Germany: https://www.covid-19-mobility.org/de/current-mobility/ currently a rolling 7d average of -25%, first wave went down to -40%, lets see how that restriction of movement in a 15km radius around city of origin or regions with weekly incidence over 200/100k changes that | 01:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Coronavirus: Dutch shocked to be EU vaccination stragglers: Caution and bureaucracy have made the Dutch last in the EU to start vaccinating against Covid-19. → https://is.gd/wka6IY | 01:47 |
| LjL | seems like a race to the bottom | 01:48 |
| LjL | unless you're Israel | 01:48 |
| de-facto | will we see Moderna receiving approval from EMA today? | 01:50 |
| de-facto | looks like EMA got 3 vaccines on the horizon: Moderna mRNA-1273, AstraZeneca ChAdOx1-SARS-CoV-2 and Janssen Ad26.COV2.S | 01:53 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/overview/public-health-threats/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/treatments-vaccines-covid-19 | 01:53 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.ema.europa.eu: Treatments and vaccines for COVID-19 | European Medicines Agency | 01:53 |
| LjL | tomorrow aka today they're going to discuss Moderna, right? | 01:54 |
| de-facto | i think so | 01:54 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/events/extraordinary-meeting-committee-medicinal-products-human-use-chmp-6-january-2021 | 01:55 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.ema.europa.eu: Extraordinary meeting of the Committee for Medicinal Products for Human Use (CHMP): 6 January 2021 | European Medicines Agency | 01:55 |
| LjL | i'm quite afraid Janssen / J&J will be about as bad as AZ | 01:55 |
| de-facto | its a single dose scheme with Ad26 | 01:56 |
| LjL | i know | 01:56 |
| de-facto | probably also containing DNA plasmid | 01:56 |
| LjL | so imagine if it's as good as AZ in a single dose, except, using a virus some people are already immune to | 01:56 |
| LjL | i am not overly excited | 01:56 |
| de-facto | i think prevalence of Ad26 is far less than Ad5 | 01:57 |
| de-facto | seroprevalence of antibodies i mean | 01:57 |
| LjL | but higher than chimp viruses | 01:57 |
| LjL | what is the role of the DNA plasmid? | 01:57 |
| de-facto | to encode the Wuhan S-protein stabilized in prefusion configuration id guess | 01:58 |
| LjL | is this because it's easier than to encode it as part of the virus's main DNA strand? | 01:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: DECRETO-LEGGE 5 gennaio 2021, n.1 (Raccolta 2021): Ulteriori disposizioni urgenti in materia di contenimento e gestionedell'emergenza epidemiologica da COVID-19. (21G00001) → https://is.gd/JY9gnu | 01:59 |
| LjL | what is it now | 01:59 |
| LjL | nothing exciting | 02:00 |
| LjL | just "can't travel between regions for a while longer" | 02:00 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2607-z | 02:00 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.nature.com: Single-shot Ad26 vaccine protects against SARS-CoV-2 in rhesus macaques | Nature | 02:01 |
| LjL | well i'm sure AZ had some shiny animal study too :P | 02:02 |
| LjL | (but to be fair, i don't know) | 02:02 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.janssen.com/covid19 | 02:03 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.janssen.com: COVID19 Response | Janssen | 02:04 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/vaccines/ad26cov2-s-janssen-covid-19-vaccine | 02:06 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.precisionvaccinations.com: Ad26.COV2-S (Janssen COVID-19) Vaccine — Precision Vaccinations | 02:06 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.23.20199604v1 | 02:08 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Safety and immunogenicity of the Ad26.COV2.S COVID-19 vaccine candidate: interim results of a phase 1/2a, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial | medRxiv | 02:08 |
| LjL | de-facto, ubLIX[m], uhm, is Google actively demoting COVID vaccine sites that are not official or news source? i google "covid vaccines" and mainly only found CDC, WHO, EMA, and such. then i more specifically googled "covidvax", and covidvax.org only shows up after several other "hits" | 02:11 |
| LjL | either they are very bad at SEO... | 02:11 |
| LjL | in DDG, covidvax.org is the first hit | 02:12 |
| de-facto | what is this here? https://mednet-communities.net/inn/db/media/docs/11746.doc | 02:19 |
| de-facto | found it by permuting the numbers | 02:20 |
| ubLIX[m] | LjL: aren't google increasingly keen to/to be seen to be de-platforming misinformation. who knows where the edge of their algorithms' effect could be | 02:21 |
| LjL | de-facto, looks like a DNA plasmid for expressing the S protein :P | 02:22 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m], they are in good company with Twitter and (maybe) Facebook | 02:23 |
| LjL | (and also "alternative" federated social media like Mastodon, just in a markedly different direction) | 02:23 |
| de-facto | yeah exactly but for which vaccine? | 02:23 |
| LjL | it says WHO "International Nonproprietary Names Programme" so maybe it's something someone at the WHO made for use by any vaccine maker? | 02:24 |
| de-facto | oh i think its INO-4800 (pGX9501) | 02:24 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30433-8/fulltext <--this here | 02:24 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.thelancet.com: Safety and immunogenicity of INO-4800 DNA vaccine against SARS-CoV-2: A preliminary report of an open-label, Phase 1 clinical trial - EClinicalMedicine | 02:24 |
| LjL | does this one have a commercial name? it doesn't ring any bell for me, but, there are so many in early phases | 02:25 |
| LjL | %vax 4800 | 02:25 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, no such vaccine found. Try checking https://covidvax.org | 02:25 |
| LjL | %vax pgx | 02:25 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, no such vaccine found. Try checking https://covidvax.org | 02:25 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/vaccines/ino-4800-dna-coronavirus-vaccine | 02:30 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.precisionvaccinations.com: INO-4800 DNA Coronavirus Vaccine — Precision Vaccinations | 02:30 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16505-0 | 02:31 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.nature.com: Immunogenicity of a DNA vaccine candidate for COVID-19 | Nature Communications | 02:31 |
| de-facto | ...contains exactly the same graphic style ... ;-) | 02:32 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Colombia: +16835 cases (now 1.7 million), +239 deaths (now 44426) since a day ago — Nigeria: +1354 cases (now 92705), +1 deaths (now 1319) since a day ago — Sint Maarten: +39 cases (now 1504) since 23 hours ago | 02:33 |
| LjL | de-facto, that's a weird vaccine | 02:34 |
| LjL | "CELLECTRA uses a brief electrical pulse to open small pores in the cell reversibly to allow the plasmids to enter." | 02:34 |
| LjL | what do i like better, a jab or an electric shock, hmm... ¿por qué no los dos? | 02:34 |
| de-facto | better a small electric shock than a anaphylactic shock | 02:37 |
| LjL | granted | 02:38 |
| LjL | oh, %vax is broken, bleh | 02:39 |
| LjL | this is why i don't like to scrape :P | 02:39 |
| LjL | oh it's because they've made their main page a percentage-of-people-vaccinate-in-each-country page | 02:39 |
| LjL | interesting (simple, but interesting to show people show shittily we're doing things) "2-dose immunization at current speed" | 02:40 |
| LjL | %vax ino-4800 | 02:45 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, INO-4800 DNA with electroporation is a DNA-based vaccine developed in USA + China by Inovio Pharma + Beijing Advaccine Biotechnology + Ology Bioservices + VGXI + Richter-Helm + Thermo Fisher Scientific + Kaneka Eurogentec S.A., which began its testing on humans on date Apr 3 with 7498 participants → https://covidvax.org/covid19-vaccine/Inovio | 02:45 |
| LjL | so it knew about it after all | 02:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add Precision Vaccinations' COVID page → https://is.gd/oaMVpS | 02:48 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | in ww2 afaik we had volkswagon making volkstanks. Why don't we have volkscovacins? | 02:48 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | Or like fordcovacins | 02:48 |
| LjL | we could barely convert companies from making clothing stuff to making (cloth, or little more) masks | 02:49 |
| LjL | i don't know if germany is so much better than us but such a conversion just sounds a little implausible to me | 02:50 |
| LjL | does volkswagen have bioreactors? it doesn't seem very close to their field | 02:50 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, solution for injection in multidose container COVID-19 Vaccine (ChAdOx1-S [recombinant]) (83 votes) | https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/949772/UKPAR_COVID_19_Vaccine_AstraZeneca_05.01.2021.pdf | https://redd.it/kr53bt | 02:56 |
| de-facto | the wartime effort to produce vaccines, seems the public pressure raises hence also Merkel was asked about it and said the companies are already at it and the government would support them if they need help | 03:02 |
| de-facto | so hmm ... hopefully they do? | 03:02 |
| de-facto | like it did not sound like they would go ahead and pressure the companies, but rather not decline if they ask for help | 03:02 |
| de-facto | if i remember correctly she said that such production facilities need to be "calibrated" and certified with their bioreactors, so it seems its not like "just cook with an additional pot to ramp up" | 03:04 |
| de-facto | but i also think the should do more, yet it sounds like they all know about it, so maybe they do already more in the background ? | 03:05 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | Maybe volkstanks were never a thing | 03:07 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | volkswagon: Type 62 Kubelwagen, a convertible vehicle with a modified Beetle chassis, four doors and 18-inch wheels | 03:10 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | UK ww2: "Rationing of most goods and services was introduced, not only for consumers but also for manufacturers. This meant that factories manufacturing products that were irrelevant to the war effort had more appropriate tasks imposed. All artificial light was subject to legal blackouts. " | 03:13 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | volkswagon seemed to have gone from civilian beetle to like bigger beetle - not a tank | 03:14 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | idk how uk did it back then, "Rationing of most goods" rightwingers would have such big protests now a days | 03:15 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | I think i figured it out! | 03:18 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | In the war, the United States lost 407,316 military personnel | 03:19 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | covid like 350,000 american deaths | 03:20 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | the difference: propaganda | 03:21 |
| ubLIX[m] | the difference in what? | 03:22 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | usa 2020 like - covid is a flu | 03:23 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | usa 1945ish like - lets try hard to fight nazis | 03:23 |
| ubLIX[m] | i feel like you are trying to orchestrate the coalescence of a point, but i'm failing to divine what it might be | 03:23 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | i think the propaganda during ww2 inspired americans to try hard to fight. But 2020, much propaganda comes from trump saying covid is a flu | 03:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Hospital Scrambles To Find Patients Before Freezer Failure Ruins 830 Vaccines: The crisis starts around 2 a.m. at a hospital in Mendocino County, Calif. A compressor gives out, giving the staff two hours to use the coronavirus vaccines before they are declared unusable. → https://is.gd/9oV95j | 03:24 |
| ubLIX[m] | if we're going to blame pathological bipartisanism, i think we have to look over the last few decades as much as consider trump's acute-on-chronic contribution | 03:27 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | ubLIX: whether it's trump who said propaganda or whatnot, isn't the important part - i was typing quickly - | 03:29 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | the american propagnda in ww2 was consistently pro-war afaik. Whereas 2020 covid msging is wishy-washy | 03:30 |
| LjL | well, in both cases, it appears it ends up causing deaths | 03:30 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Viral mutations may cause another ‘very, very bad’ COVID-19 wave, scientists warn (93 votes) | https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/01/viral-mutations-may-cause-another-very-very-bad-covid-19-wave-scientists-warn | https://redd.it/kr8zrt | 03:33 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | for countries that handled covid well, anyone know if the msging is consistent? | 03:37 |
| ubLIX[m] | seems like a fair wager | 03:37 |
| ubLIX[m] | sorry, kara, my earlier words were coloured with snark. seems i'm tired | 03:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +18349 cases (now 1.8 million) since 16 hours ago — France: +16462 cases (now 2.7 million) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +6437 cases (now 838302), +129 deaths (now 11836) since 23 hours ago | 03:41 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | ubLIX: No worries! Didn't expect to find a trump supporter here so i didn't account for that properly | 03:42 |
| ubLIX[m] | ha! now you mock me! | 03:43 |
| ubLIX[m] | i think trump should be in prison | 03:43 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | oh huh? oops, i'm reading your earlier words wrong! | 03:43 |
| ubLIX[m] | i was trying to say that 2020's poor political performance is, like trump, a symptom of decades of work | 03:45 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | oh i see - i agree | 03:48 |
| LjL | i had a hint? | 03:50 |
| ubLIX[m] | seemed like your previous comment was such | 03:51 |
| ubLIX[m] | anyway o/ | 03:51 |
| LjL | it was merely a platitude | 03:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: WHO 'very disappointed' China yet to grant entry to coronavirus experts! → https://is.gd/B6O8LC | 04:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid: WHO team investigating virus origins denied entry to China → https://is.gd/APXDEB | 04:38 |
| LjL | %tell de-facto https://outbreak.info/ https://api.outbreak.info/ | 05:00 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, I'll pass de-facto your message when they are around. | 05:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Colombia brings back lockdowns as coronavirus cases rise → https://is.gd/UmG1Mi | 05:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: China steps up COVID restrictions near Beijing as local infections rise → https://is.gd/N99oFG | 06:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: listen to latest Drosten! it covers a lot of your concerns regarding sequencing, B1.1.7 etc | 07:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/info/podcast4684.html recommended (German lang) - I'll provide translated transcript today or tomorrow (not available yet) | 07:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Texas, United States: +31564 cases (now 1.9 million), +246 deaths (now 28797) since 23 hours ago — Skane, Sweden: +7661 cases (now 74414), +6 deaths (now 673) since 5 days ago — Vaestra Goetaland, Sweden: +6352 cases (now 78143), +7 deaths (now 1264) since 5 days ago — Alabama, United States: +5498 cases (now 379593), +8 deaths (now 4886) since 23 hours ago | 07:18 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: A Texas man was sent to trial with the coronavirus. Jurors weren’t told they were exposed until after deliberations ended. (10149 votes) | https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/05/texas-jury-trials-coronavirus/ | https://redd.it/kr5qy9 | 07:40 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +1848 cases (now 652735), +77 deaths (now 19827) since a day ago | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | A Texas man was sent to trial - yippeeayeah | 08:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from New Scientist: New coronavirus variants: What are they and how worried should we be?: Mutated variants of the coronavirus making their way around the world are causing covid-19 to spread faster, and one may be able to evade current vaccines → https://is.gd/gZBXxl | 08:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: UK steps up biggest vaccine drive, with one in 50 now infected → https://is.gd/FH622p | 08:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | January 06, 2021: The WHO pages contain up-to-date and global information. Please refer to our Wiki for additional information. → https://is.gd/5JepZ2 | 09:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please never mind my rant regarding delayed 2nd shot of last 2 days. I been right in context of my limited layman's knowledge but immunology and vaccination are intricate domains. In short, a delayed 2nd shot won't significantly increase selection pressure | 09:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and empiric knowledge about vaccination suggests that efficiency might even benefit from a delayed 2nd shot | 09:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 details I wasn't aware yet yesterday | 09:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: How Tokyo’s second State of Emergency is different from other countries’ lockdowns → https://is.gd/F5e5uy | 09:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Zealand's COVID Response Was So Good, Mortality Is Down From Previous Years → https://is.gd/ItBQru | 09:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Facebook posts help facilitate belief that HPV vaccine is dangerous to health: The human papillomavirus infection, or HPV, is the most common sexually transmitted infection in the U.S., according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. HPV is associated with health problems including genital warts and cancers, but a [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/g2Z5wb | 09:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Dutch become last in EU to give COVID jab: The Netherlands administered its first coronavirus shot to a nursing home worker on Wednesday, as it became the last country in the 27-nation EU to start its vaccination programme. → https://is.gd/ZGXO0J | 10:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Czechia: +17332 cases (now 776967), +179 deaths (now 12436) since 22 hours ago — Germany: +1029 deaths (now 36817) since 22 hours ago | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Total deaths were 123.4 per million per week during lockdown and thereafter, an 11 percent fall on previous years.<< https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/new-zealands-covid-response-was-so-good-mortality-is-down-from-previous-years/ | 10:14 |
| mobidrop | new Zealand did it right, maybe we could achieve the same level if we had super tight control on borders and air travel | 10:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Mexico to vaccinate rural elderly, but still awaits vaccine: Once Mexico has vaccinated its frontline medical workers against COVID-19, the government will turn its attention to the elderly living in its most remote places, President Andrés Manuel López Obrador said Tuesday. → https://is.gd/ow3FUg | 10:33 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: The FDA needs to apply its Covid-19 flexibility to pediatric cancer: Watching the lightning-speed approvals of Covid-19 vaccines and therapies I can't help but ask, "Can't we pick up the pace and do better for children with cancer?" Many parents like… → https://is.gd/plH5go | 10:45 |
| mobidrop | regulations are in place for a reason | 10:47 |
| mobidrop | of course when there's a pandemic that threatens the survival of humankind we can rush a vaccine, but that doesn't mean we should always throw caution overboard | 10:48 |
| the-wes | well, no caution was thrown overboard in the creation of the covid vaccine | 10:50 |
| mobidrop | well the long term effects of a vaccine are usually tested before offering a vaccine to the general population | 10:52 |
| mobidrop | but seeing as we're on a tight deadline that requirement was skipped | 10:52 |
| Arsanerit | the pandemic doesn't threaten the survival of humankind | 10:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Slow vaccine rollouts fuel worry as US logs record coronavirus deaths: England went back into full lockdown as Europe battled Wednesday to stem a rising tide of coronavirus cases, and the United States logged its worst daily death toll of the pandemic. → https://is.gd/xP0kmN | 10:57 |
| mobidrop | pfizer has a press release here talking about testing the mRNA on mice: https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-data-preclinical-studies-mrna | 11:01 |
| mobidrop | but I wonder if there's a release of the actual study / research itself | 11:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: China moves to stamp out virus outbreak in city of 11 million: Travel has been restricted to a northern Chinese city of 11 million people and schools closed as authorities Wednesday moved to snuff out a cluster of COVID-19 after dozens were infected. → https://is.gd/IznLfE | 11:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: David Oliver: The false dichotomies in pandemic commentary: Much like the Brexit debate, the narrative on covid-19 has often been reductive, tribally entrenched, and polarised. This has sometimes led to false dichotomies between seemingly contrasting... → https://is.gd/lFbz7Q | 11:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Indonesia: +8854 cases (now 788402), +187 deaths (now 23296) since a day ago — Barbados: +49 cases (now 692) since 17 hours ago | 11:38 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malaysia: +2593 cases (now 125438), +4 deaths (now 513) since 23 hours ago | 12:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid-19: 'Very little' virus risk at nurseries, says vaccine minister → https://is.gd/jlKb6H | 12:35 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Malta: +224 cases (now 13612), +1 deaths (now 227) since 22 hours ago | 13:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: What you must know about stomach flu in winter amid pandemic → https://is.gd/wob4Lk | 13:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: EMA recommends COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna for authorisation in the EU , , 06/01/2021: EMA has recommended granting a conditional marketing authorisation for COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) in people... → https://is.gd/Fmuf54 | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ !!!! ^^^ | 13:28 |
| genera | like .ch did last year, i v heard | 13:39 |
| genera | or | 13:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2nd vaccine for EU | 13:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BioNTech 2nd fab startup scheduled for February | 13:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to double the daily yield | 13:41 |
| genera | i was wrong. they authorized BioNTech | 13:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Moderna compatible to classical physician's office vaccination, so... | 13:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if they can't accomplish to ramp up their vax centers and mobile teams to keep pace with amount of available doses, we may hope they do the right thing and allow physicians to vax whomever applies for it | 13:45 |
| mobidrop | looks like medical personnel in the US isn't exactly jumping at the opportunity to get the new vaccine | 13:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Stanford developing single-dose nanoparticle vaccine for COVID-19: Before the pandemic, the lab of Stanford University biochemist Peter S. Kim focused on developing vaccines for HIV, Ebola and pandemic influenza. But, within days of closing their campus lab space as part of COVID-19 precautions, they turned their attention to a [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/vTgeL6 | 13:50 |
| genera | good. more doses for us ^^ | 13:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Science-Based Medicine: The New SARS-CoV-2 Variants: Two new variants of the virus that causes COVID-19 have been detected that are more infectious. What are the implications? The post first appeared on Science-Based Medicine . → https://is.gd/jL1HmB | 14:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +17845 cases (now 1.8 million), +1016 deaths (now 36886) since 23 hours ago | 14:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: It’s ‘misunderstanding’, says China on WHO’s rebuke for delaying virus team to probe COVID-19 origin → https://is.gd/MLji5e | 14:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Evidence review confirms COVID-19 is generally 'mild' in young children: A systematic review and meta-analysis of international COVID-19 literature, led by UNSW Sydney, has confirmed that while children under five years old were likely to recover from the infection, half of those infected were infants and almost half of the [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/zMTZjJ | 15:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +4808 cases (now 470789), +99 deaths (now 8064) since 23 hours ago | 15:09 |
| Haley[m] | %cases France | 15:16 |
| Brainstorm | Haley[m]: In France, there have been 2.7 million confirmed cases (4.0% of the population) and 66350 deaths (2.4% of cases) as of 7 hours ago. 36.4 million tests were performed (7.4% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=France for time series data. | 15:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Your to-do list as you await a COVID vaccine: As COVID-19 spreads across the country and vaccines are not yet widely available, it's important to plan for what you would do if you become infected with the virus, says a psychologist who's counseled critically ill and recovering patients. → https://is.gd/vUjofU | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | positive? | 15:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: U.S. COVID hospitalizations reach record high as California hospitals run out of oxygen: A record-breaking 131,000 coronavirus hospitalizations were recorded in the United States on Tuesday. In hard-hit Los Angeles County, hospitals began running out of oxygen and paramedics were told not to bring patients to a hospital if [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5j159a | 15:30 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: EMA recommends COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna for authorisation in the EU - European Medicines Agency (82 votes) | https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-recommends-covid-19-vaccine-moderna-authorisation-eu | https://redd.it/krmw0q | 15:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: How many people need to get a COVID-19 vaccine in order to stop the coronavirus?: It has been clear for a while that, at least in the U.S., the only way out of the coronavirus pandemic will be through vaccination. The rapid deployment of coronavirus vaccines is underway, but how many people need to be vaccinated in order to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/mt6vqx | 15:42 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/covid19: Peter Doshi: Pfizer and Moderna’s “95% effective” vaccines—we need more details and the raw data (85 votes) | https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/ | https://redd.it/krkuhu | 15:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID vaccine rollout urgent as new strains take hold: The spread of more infectious coronavirus strains in Britain and South Africa, with isolated cases of the UK variant appearing in dozens of countries, has made inoculating a maximum number of people as quickly as possible more urgent than ever, experts say. → https://is.gd/tF3GYv | 15:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Portgual detects record 10,000 COVID cases in 24h: Portugal's government acknowledged Wednesday that hospitals were under "strong pressure" from the coronavirus, as health authorities reported a record 10,000 new cases in 24 hours in the country of 10 million people. → https://is.gd/8UpTdw | 16:07 |
| RayS | %cases ontario | 16:14 |
| Brainstorm | RayS: In Ontario, Canada, there have been 202085 confirmed cases (1.5% of the population) and 4749 deaths (2.4% of cases) as of 8 hours ago. 103865 tests were performed (194.6% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Ontario for time series data. | 16:14 |
| Arsanerit | %cases greenland | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | Arsanerit: In Greenland, there have been 28 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 0 deaths (0.0% of cases) as of 16 hours ago. 15931 tests were performed (0.2% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Greenland for time series data. | 16:19 |
| Arsanerit | 194% positive is impressive (re Ontario) | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: EU Medical Panel Recommends Authorizing Moderna Vaccine: "Now we are working at full speed to approve it & make it available in the EU," said EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen. It would be the second vaccine to get EU authorization. → https://is.gd/OdjcyO | 16:20 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-recommends-covid-19-vaccine-moderna-authorisation-eu | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: At 2021-01-06 04:00:21 UTC, LjL told you: https://outbreak.info/ https://api.outbreak.info/ | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.ema.europa.eu: EMA recommends COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna for authorisation in the EU | European Medicines Agency | 16:35 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/summaries-opinion/covid-19-vaccine-moderna | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.ema.europa.eu: COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna: Pending EC decision | European Medicines Agency | 16:35 |
| de-facto | oh wow thats very cool, thanks LjL | 16:36 |
| de-facto | Su Lab, The Scripps Research Institute La Jolla, CA | 16:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19: latest updates → https://is.gd/ejWHzQ | 16:45 |
| de-facto | RKI Germany COVID-19 (new years rep.?): Weekly Incidence 127.3/100k, Infections +21237 (1808647 total), Fatalities +1019 (36537 total), COVID@ICU 5551 (incl 3119 on ventilator) | 16:53 |
| de-facto | another sad day with +1k COVID-19 fatalities :(( | 16:54 |
| de-facto | hopefully in a month we will see some results from lockdown, hopefully... | 16:55 |
| de-facto | experts say we can not trust the daily incidence numbers sooner than mid of January hence even if current numbers might look better it may just be because of deviations from normal operation of the testing and reporting pipelines | 16:56 |
| de-facto | so maybe we can look at the numbers in ~10 days from now again for more conclusive results in regards to daily new infections | 16:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: EMA recommends COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna for authorisation in the EU , , 06/01/2021: Update: COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna is now authorised across the EU. This follows the granting of a conditional marketing authorisation by the European... → https://is.gd/Fmuf54 | 16:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Smoking associated with increased risk of COVID-19 symptoms: Smoking is associated with an increased risk of COVID-19 symptoms and smokers are more likely to attend hospital than non-smokers, a study has found. → https://is.gd/tBX62p | 17:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Does COVID-19 Infection Increase the Risk of Pulmonary Embolism? → https://is.gd/0sUETi | 17:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Portugal: +10027 cases (now 446606), +91 deaths (now 7377) since a day ago — Netherlands: +6901 cases (now 842716), +166 deaths (now 11973) since 23 hours ago | 17:26 |
| Jigsy | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55561108 | 17:54 |
| Jigsy | %title | 17:54 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: From www.bbc.co.uk: Lockdown: Clap for Carers to return as Clap for Heroes - BBC News | 17:54 |
| Jigsy | I remember hearing doctors saying they'll tell people to fuck off if they do that. | 17:54 |
| Arsanerit | telling people to fuck off sounds like the english way to communicate with each other | 18:00 |
| blkshp | fuck off. | 18:02 |
| blkshp | = Good morning. | 18:02 |
| lizlemon[m] | Good Morning | 18:05 |
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| jacklsw | is ad allowed here? | 18:06 |
| jacklsw | hmm | 18:06 |
| LjL-Matrix | No | 18:07 |
| LjL-Matrix | de-facto: thank mefistofeles even though he's too mad to deign us with his presence ;p | 18:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +23517 cases (now 2.8 million), +388 deaths (now 76693) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +5190 cases (now 622251), +92 deaths (now 16279) since 23 hours ago | 18:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: New paper describes use of geographic monitoring for early COVID-19 cluster detection: In a new paper, researchers describe their development of a near-real time spatial assessment of COVID-19 cases to help guide local medical responses to clusters of outbreaks of the virus at the local level. → https://is.gd/pa4sOT | 18:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +20326 cases (now 2.2 million), +548 deaths (now 76877) since a day ago — St. Barthelemy: +16 cases (now 206) since 5 days ago — Switzerland: +84 deaths (now 8098) since 23 hours ago | 18:28 |
| Jigsy | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/05/police-chief-calls-for-power-of-entry-into-homes-of-suspected-lockdown-breakers | 18:29 |
| Jigsy | %title | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: From www.theguardian.com: Police chief calls for power of entry into homes of suspected lockdown breakers | World news | The Guardian | 18:29 |
| Jigsy | Keyword: Suspected | 18:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: SMOPs: Summary of opinion: COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna,COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine (nucleoside modified), 06/01/2021, Positive → https://is.gd/oRiCeA | 18:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Number of U.S. adults willing to take COVID-19 vaccine down: (HealthDay)—From April to December, there was a significant decline in the number of Americans who say they are willing to get a COVID-19 vaccine, according to a research letter published online Dec. 29 in the Journal of the American Medical Association. → https://is.gd/2uQosQ | 18:50 |
| CoronaBot | 04/r/coronavirus: New Zealand's COVID Response Was So Good, Mortality Is Down From Previous Years (10091 votes) | https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/new-zealands-covid-response-was-so-good-mortality-is-down-from-previous-years | https://redd.it/krikg4 | 18:50 |
| de-facto | RKI Daily vaccinations Germany: 2020-12-27: 23281; 2020-12-28: 18273; 2020-12-29: 40991; 2020-12-30: 55362; 2020-12-31: 36493; 2021-01-01: 30042; 2021-01-02: 43736; 2021-01-03: 24221; 2021-01-04: 44563 | 19:01 |
| de-facto | so much less than daily new infections... | 19:02 |
| Arsanerit | My colleague is travelling to the other end of the country for what appears to be leasure purposes (Germany). | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Health: A Virologist Helps Keep Uruguay Safe from COVID with a Homegrown Test → https://is.gd/SGs0XR | 19:02 |
| de-facto | traveling without reason should be illegal and be fines with several months worth of income | 19:03 |
| genera | !cases de | 19:03 |
| CovBot | In Germany there have been a total of 1,832,073 cases as of 2021-01-06 17:48:00 UTC. Of these 343,254 (18.7%) are still sick or may have recovered without being recorded, 1,451,000 (79.2%) have definitely recovered and 37,819 (2.1%) have died. | 19:03 |
| genera | !corona de | 19:04 |
| CoronaBot | Germany: Global rank: #10, cases: 1,832,073 (+17,496), fatalities: 37,819 (+639), active cases: 343,254, total recovered: 1,451,000, in a serious condition: 5,569. Mortality: 2.06%, case fatality rate: 2.54%, cases/1M: 21831.0, deaths/1M: 451.0. Case rate: 18,361/24h, death rate: 1,198/24h. Tests: 34,801,593, tests/1M: 414,689. | 19:04 |
| CoronaBot | Delaware: State rank: #44, cases: 61,100, fatalities: 947, total recovered: -, active cases: -, mortality: 1.55%. Cases/1M: 62,746, deaths/1M: 973. Tests: 521,750, tests/1M: 535,807. | 19:04 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lebanon: +4166 cases (now 199925), +21 deaths (now 1550) since 23 hours ago | 19:05 |
| Arsanerit | My Landkreis has lifted the Ausgangssperre as of today 21:00 because incidence has dropped below 200 cases per 100k per week. | 19:06 |
| genera | i think the vaccination numbers are irrelavent because none of the centers operate and the new-infection numbers are bogus because the Gesundheitsamt obeys public holidays | 19:07 |
| Arsanerit | There aren't enough vaccines yet... | 19:07 |
| de-facto | well vaccination numbers are WAY too low, we have to ramp this up at least an order of magnitude or more | 19:08 |
| Arsanerit | I don't quite get the criticism, back when nobody knew which vaccine was going to be available first the EU ordered some of each, until today only one had been approved so then of course it's scarce. | 19:08 |
| Arsanerit | what should they have done, order 10 times more of each? I doubt that much could have been produced | 19:08 |
| de-facto | given we may have (speculation...) 20k cases daily and we have to multiply them by ~5 to get the real number of infections we would have to assume a daily number of ~100k new infections in Germany | 19:08 |
| genera | we would need someone who listens to all the pressconferences for us | 19:09 |
| genera | but then again. who cares )) | 19:09 |
| Arsanerit | Also, Germany vaccinates more (also per capita) than most reporting EU countries. Yes it should be more, but it's not like it's easy to produce enough vaccines for the entire world in a very short time. | 19:12 |
| Arsanerit | Just force everybody to stay home for the next 6 months while focussing the economy on vaccines as much as possible. | 19:12 |
| Arsanerit | Surely out-of-work cooks can cook up additional vaccines in their kitchens ;-) | 19:13 |
| Arsanerit | bbl | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid-19: UK records more than a thousand virus deaths: It is the highest daily toll since April, as a further 62,322 new coronavirus cases are also reported. → https://is.gd/toMj5k | 19:15 |
| LjL | <genera> we would need someone who listens to all the pressconferences for us ← i used to, i kinda stopped bothering though :P | 19:18 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, in many countries' cases, more vaccines have been delivered (sometimes many more) than the amount of vaccines that have been *used* | 19:20 |
| LjL | so the criticism is valid at least in those cases, because it's not a problem with supply | 19:20 |
| LjL | de-facto, i assume as far as you know the EMA has only released that set of opinions and Q&A on Moderna, they haven't actually published a detailed report like the FDA (and MHRA?) do? | 19:22 |
| de-facto | i havent looked at the details yet | 19:23 |
| LjL | %vax mrna-1275 | 19:24 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, no such vaccine found. Try checking https://covidvax.org | 19:24 |
| LjL | %vax mrna-1273 | 19:24 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, mRNA-1273 LNPencapsulated mRNA is a RNA-based vaccine developed in USA by Moderna + NIAID + Lonza + Catalent Inc. + BIOQUAL, which began its distribution on date January 2021 with participants → https://covidvax.org/covid19-vaccine/Moderna | 19:24 |
| de-facto | id like to compare the RNA sequence to BioNTech and CureVac | 19:25 |
| de-facto | but i havent found the full sequence for mRNA-1273 yet | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >><Arsanerit> what should they have done, order 10 times more of each? << *huge* fallacy, ordering 42 trillion will not create a single additional available dose right now | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we ordered more than enough | 19:26 |
| de-facto | ordering them earlier though... would have given us more of the ones produced in advance prior to approval | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not | 19:27 |
| de-facto | whatever, it does not matter what mistakes were made in the past, what matters is how to solve the problems that we have right now and that we can estimate in the near future | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, to me it matters when everybody moans about "too few we ordered, too few" while this is definitely complete nonsense | 19:28 |
| de-facto | what i also wonder, Spahn said that 1.3M doses were given to the federal states in 2020, so where are those? in the refrigerators not given to the vaccination centers? i doubt that | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the distribution of available doses been negotiated on other than "first come first serve" otherwise one state would have gotten all and everybody else none | 19:29 |
| de-facto | all in all 316962 doses were given to people in Germany, so 1M is somwhere? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and number of available doses is limited by other factors than number of ordered doses | 19:30 |
| de-facto | i just dont believe the numbers from Spahn to be honest | 19:30 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +383 deaths (now 66421) since 23 hours ago | 19:30 |
| LjL | hmm, Bell's palsy did end up in the EMA's leaflet for Moderna as a "rare" side effect | 19:31 |
| LjL | i haven't looked at the equivalent for Pfizer, presumably it would have also, since similar occurrences... | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>so where are those?<< that's a pretty good question | 19:31 |
| de-facto | in Germany https://civnb.info/germany/?c=gt-S_501 <-- two cases in NRW ob Dec 7th and 21st | 19:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from https://covid19.specops.network : ljl-covid: Add EMA authorization documents for Moderna → https://is.gd/ZrSIUc | 19:40 |
| de-facto | hopefully only primary import cases with clear link to UK or such | 19:40 |
| bourbon | shit's real bad in southern california | 19:40 |
| bourbon | the governor going to a michelin star restaurant with lobbyists while telling people to stay home and lose their jobs has led to the quarantine de facto lifting down there | 19:41 |
| bourbon | father in law was running around maskless and sick until convinced to stop doing that | 19:41 |
| bourbon | people are acting like it doesn't matter any more, and cases are out of control | 19:42 |
| de-facto | oh damn that does not sound good at all :/ | 19:43 |
| bourbon | https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-04/los-angeles-hospitals-cannot-keep-up-covid-19-surge-illness | 19:49 |
| bourbon | amberlambs are being told to let people stay and die if it looks iffy | 19:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Lebanon hits daily record of Covid-19 infections: Lebanon's health ministry confirmed a new daily record of 4,166 coronavirus infections Wednesday, as medics warn that the healthcare system is struggling to cope. → https://is.gd/UABGuY | 19:52 |
| de-facto | wow | 19:53 |
| de-facto | triage at transport level already thats really bad | 19:53 |
| darsie | cv deniers could be asked to register so they would be denied treatment if they catch it. Or people who violate rules like lockdowns or wearing masks could be put on such a list. | 20:16 |
| darsie | That might increase the spread, though. | 20:16 |
| darsie | Leaving the sick out in the wild. | 20:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from ScienceMag: [Research Articles] Neuronal delivery of antibodies has therapeutic effects in animal models of botulism: Botulism is caused by a potent neurotoxin that blocks neuromuscular transmission, resulting in death by asphyxiation. Currently, the therapeutic options are limited and there is no antidote. Here, we harness the structural and [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/zBCPrd | 20:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Ireland: +7832 cases (now 121154), +17 deaths (now 2299) since a day ago | 20:20 |
| darsie | Maybe piling up the dead outside hospitals would make people reconsider. | 20:20 |
| de-facto | .title https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/1346442000472580098 | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From twitter.com: error parsing title ('NoneType' object has no attribute 'string') | 20:28 |
| de-facto | Bloom Lab: We mapped how all mutations to #SARSCoV2 receptor-binding domain (RBD) affect recognition by convalescent polyclonal human sera (https://biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.31.425021v1). | 20:28 |
| de-facto | Among implications: E484K (South African lineage) worrying for immune escape; RBD mutations in UK lineage less so (1/n). | 20:28 |
| de-facto | .title https://biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.31.425021v1 | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From biorxiv.org: Comprehensive mapping of mutations to the SARS-CoV-2 receptor-binding domain that affect recognition by polyclonal human serum antibodies | bioRxiv | 20:28 |
| de-facto | .title https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global?c=gt-S_484 | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From nextstrain.org: auspice | 20:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Israel quietly handed over vaccines to Palestinian Authority → https://is.gd/Z1ND48 | 20:30 |
| darsie | Israel secretly handed dozens of coronavirus vaccines to the Palestinian Authority | 20:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from ScienceNews: Severe allergic reactions to COVID-19 vaccines are extremely rare, CDC says: Out of the first 1.9 million doses of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine given in the United States, there were 21 reported cases of anaphylaxis, a CDC study finds. → https://is.gd/VuoiuI | 20:42 |
| de-facto | Vaccinations per 100 citizens from https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations | 20:42 |
| de-facto | Israel: 17.14; United: Arab: Emirates: 8.35; Bahrain: 3.75; Scotland: 1.69; Northern: Ireland: 1.64; United: States: 1.46; Iceland: 1.43; England: 1.40; United: Kingdom: 1.39; Wales: 1.12; Denmark: 1.09; Russia: 0.55; Cyprus: 0.45; Germany: 0.44 | 20:43 |
| de-facto | Canada: 0.43; Italy: 0.43; Estonia: 0.38; Poland: 0.37; Croatia: 0.34; Malta: 0.32; China: 0.31; Portugal: 0.31; Romania: 0.30; Spain: 0.30; Slovenia: 0.29; Oman: 0.25; Hungary: 0.22; Latvia: 0.20; World: 0.19; Luxembourg: 0.19; Greece: 0.16 | 20:43 |
| de-facto | Slovakia: 0.13; Argentina: 0.12; Czechia: 0.12; Finland: 0.10; Lithuania: 0.08; Bulgaria: 0.08; Ireland: 0.08; Norway: 0.07; Austria: 0.07; Kuwait: 0.06; Costa: Rica: 0.05; Chile: 0.05; Mexico: 0.04; Belgium: 0.01; France: 0.01 | 20:43 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Monaco: +31 cases (now 978) since 23 hours ago | 20:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Entire US Capitol Now On Lockdown As Protesters Enter The Building → https://is.gd/NCYn5w | 20:54 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, tagesschau said that 1.3M doses were delivered but only ~1/3 was given to people (the doses for the second vaccination are put into storage, thats very good imho) | 20:55 |
| de-facto | till mid of Feb BioNTech will have delivered a total of ~5.4M doses | 20:57 |
| de-facto | so still the question remains, where are ~2/3 of those 1.3M doses or why have they not already been given to people? | 20:58 |
| de-facto | i dont really understand it | 20:59 |
| genera | so, 350 k vaccinated, another 350 k for the dose in 28 days, makes 700 k. then maybe some in the pipeline so that the mobile teams can work. | 21:03 |
| genera | thats not that far from the 1.3 that Jens is believing he has | 21:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19 coronavirus: Mutant strain spreading at 'frightening' speed, says Boris Johnson → https://is.gd/TCCf13 | 21:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Emma Hodcroft: @firefoxx66: R to @firefoxx66: Links to Nextstrain discussion and @nextstrain "ncov" (SARS-CoV-2) Github repo:https://discussion.nextstrain.organd: https://github.com/nextstrain/ncov → https://is.gd/zvEcfO | 21:19 |
| de-facto | yeah still 56% unused yet | 21:25 |
| de-facto | 100×(1- (1300000 - 2*367331)/1300000) = 56.5 | 21:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +23798 cases (now 2.7 million), +233 deaths (now 66515) since 23 hours ago — Canada: +7698 cases (now 625974), +142 deaths (now 16334) since 23 hours ago | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://i.imgur.com/f9lFjal.jpg | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops sorry | 21:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Red Cross issues call for more blood plasma to treat COVID patients: (HealthDay)—The American Red Cross is urging COVID-19 survivors to donate blood plasma for hospital patients who need it to recover. → https://is.gd/uVIhFd | 21:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Solo seniors with cognitive impairment hit hard by pandemic: The pandemic has exacerbated isolation and fears for one very vulnerable group of Americans: the 4.3 million older adults with cognitive impairment who live alone. → https://is.gd/8drQ5W | 22:09 |
| de-facto | IndoAnon, ^^ | 22:16 |
| IndoAnon | uhh, i'm 1600km from it | 22:16 |
| de-facto | oh good | 22:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: 1 in 100,000 had severe reactions to Pfizer vaccine: US study: Roughly one in a hundred thousand people who received the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine have had severe allergic reactions, US health officials said Wednesday while stressing that the benefits of immunization greatly outweigh the known risks. → https://is.gd/Vl4v6I | 22:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: WHO warns of 'hard road ahead' to beat pandemic: World Health Organization experts warned Wednesday there could be six months of "hard, hard road ahead" in 2021 before vaccines turn the tide against the coronavirus pandemic. → https://is.gd/XwqW3a | 22:34 |
| LjL | in the end we're reopening schools. absurd | 22:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Global virus deaths hit record high as EU approves second vaccine: The EU cleared a second coronavirus vaccine for use on Wednesday bringing relief to European countries struggling with spiralling infections, as the world clocked up a record number of deaths in a single day. → https://is.gd/9FAOaE | 22:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Morocco approves AstraZeneca/Oxford virus jab: Morocco on Wednesday authorised for emergency use the coronavirus vaccine developed by AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford, the health ministry said. → https://is.gd/xicFVT | 22:59 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Britain ahead of entire EU on vaccines: Britain has vaccinated more people against COVID-19 than the 27-nation European Union put together, according to an AFP tally on Wednesday. → https://is.gd/w7rym4 | 23:24 |
| karaaltmyPTIOisl | good spread @ usa capitol tdy! | 23:37 |
| Arsanerit | 19:25:55 < DocScrutinizer05> >><Arsanerit> what should they have done, order 10 times more of each? << *huge* fallacy, ordering 42 trillion will not create a single additional available dose right now | 23:48 |
| Arsanerit | DocScrutinizer05: It was a rhetorical question | 23:48 |
| Arsanerit | I am not convinced either the EU or the German government has anything to blame in preparing for vaccines. | 23:49 |
| Arsanerit | but yet they seem to be criticised | 23:49 |
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