| de-facto | yep | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| de-facto | and feeling feverish | 00:00 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m]: I liked other things I read on that site previously so when I saw they had RSS I put it in the list. But this article sounds like when Campbell read out things while making a "do you see how bad it is?" face | 00:01 |
| Arsanerit | de-facto: take care | 00:01 |
| LjL | :( | 00:01 |
| de-facto | its not completely gone but i had to put an onion directly under my nose in order to smell it | 00:02 |
| LjL | de-facto: well you know what that's likely to mean so I don't know what to say. Get tested and I hope you'll be okay | 00:03 |
| de-facto | i was always wearing masks and being careful, though maybe that was not enough, i think it might have been the internet guy installing our new coax cable in the flat (i was always wearing FFP2 but maybe it was not airtight enough) | 00:03 |
| de-facto | exactly what i am planing to do, stay away from people and go for a test tomorrow | 00:04 |
| ubLIX[m] | LjL: judging by the headline, the intro, and half of the first paragraph, reading further is going to be excruciating | 00:04 |
| LjL | ubLIX[m]: I excuse you | 00:05 |
| de-facto | also got a sore throat and a bit of headache | 00:05 |
| ubLIX[m] | phew | 00:05 |
| LjL | de-facto: sometimes you do your best and it's not enough when maybe someone who has behaved irresponsibly will not get it. That's why people have trouble with probabilities | 00:06 |
| de-facto | blood oxygen is very good (97-99), temp maybe very slightly raised (37.1-2 or such) | 00:06 |
| ubLIX[m] | fingers crossed you're just a bit under the weather, de-facto | 00:06 |
| de-facto | yeah actually i drove bicycle without scarf in minus 10 deg a week ago, so maybe that also was not the best idea (i hope its the alternative explanation) | 00:07 |
| de-facto | well test will tell i guess, if i am symptomatic and its negative i am lucky | 00:08 |
| de-facto | i just hope i dont have to wait several days for the result, hoping for them to have improved on that (in summer 2020 i waited 32 hours) | 00:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: take care, good luck | 00:20 |
| de-facto | thanks | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((v)) hast a few nice graphics about liposomes etc | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((The new mercury to antivaxxers)) | 00:21 |
| de-facto | i wonder if i should take a 500 aspirin every day or if that is too much, i heard 100 is not enough for 90kg adults | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: particularly take good care when standing the line for test, I'd guess only ICU is higher risk to catch covid if you don't already jave it | 00:23 |
| LjL | I remember seeing things about aspirin and covid but right now honestly I really don't remember what they concluded at all | 00:23 |
| de-facto | yeah i will insist to wait outdoors in the cold with my mask on | 00:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I stopped aspirin after some *rxiv report, can't recall which one | 00:24 |
| LjL | Yeah I seem to remember there were some negative findings too | 00:24 |
| de-facto | negative in what regard? | 00:25 |
| LjL | Too many things, too little brain | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least no mbenefit, plus for sure the negative generic aspirine effects of course | 00:25 |
| LjL | de-facto: well, as in it being worse than not taking it. But I'm sure there were also some positive reports. My *vague*, I want to stress vague, recollection is that at first there was some positive report in some preprints but then came some warnings | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically I seem to recall "no benefit at all" | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't work when taken early iirc | 00:27 |
| LjL | I just took NAC so while I remember, if you're going outside to get tested and you don't have it, maybe get some. I don't know if you want to take it now but it's always a nice thing to have around I think | 00:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but... really I forgot | 00:27 |
| LjL | Just don't take it if you also are taking paracetamol :P | 00:27 |
| LjL | My mom told me that the standard of care here has been updated to include some amount of vitamin D, fwiw | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, NAC aka ACC seems safer and more benefit both against virus and for your health at large | 00:28 |
| de-facto | ah that might be a good idea indeed ACC | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LjL: huh?NAC !& Paracetamol? | 00:29 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: NAC is the antidote to paracetamol overdose. It makes paracetamol ineffective | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nice | 00:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | friggin liver-bashing paracetamol :-/ | 00:30 |
| LjL | Meh if you take it sparingly it's a pretty useful drug | 00:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I use it very very rarely, and you MUST NOT use it with alcohol as that will make you spit your liver out in chunks, literally | 00:31 |
| LjL | And if you want to die it's a very bad way to do it | 00:31 |
| de-facto | hmm the only problem being in cant buy in a pharmacy when i want to avoid contacts | 00:32 |
| de-facto | maybe they deliver for low costs? | 00:32 |
| LjL | de-facto: it is also sold as a supplement | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I also don't generally like ASS anymore for pain killer. Too severe collateral damage. I love Ibuprofen for that | 00:32 |
| LjL | Maybe as a supplement you can only find it on 200mg doses which means more money if you want to take the standard 600mg | 00:33 |
| de-facto | yeah but i dont want to have any human contacts until i have a neg test result | 00:33 |
| de-facto | does not really matter if pharmacy or super market | 00:33 |
| LjL | de-facto: well but as a supplement you can order it online without any issue | 00:33 |
| de-facto | ah yeah thats true | 00:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: I think you can tell the pharmacist to hand it out to you so you don't have to eneter the pharmacy. Night pharmacy style | 00:34 |
| de-facto | maybe i just call the pharmacy on my way to the test if they can put it outside of their door or such and send me a bill | 00:34 |
| de-facto | yeah | 00:34 |
| LjL | DocScrutinizer05: well, see, I prefer paracetamol because as long as you don't take it all the time, it's got a very good safety profile (yes, if you do take a lot of it or take it all the time, then your liver will hate you). Ibuprofen can be a bit of a stomach killer, I mean, it won't give you an ulcer just taking it once, but even taken once you may end up with a bad stomach ache. Depends on the person too I guess, but I've never seen a doctor who has | 00:35 |
| LjL | balked at me for using paracetamol | 00:35 |
| de-facto | weirdly enough Ibuprofen never had any noticeable effect on me | 00:36 |
| LjL | de-facto: remember to take your phone with you for CWA :p | 00:36 |
| de-facto | tried it as painkiller and against headache | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for stomach only ASS killed mine so far | 00:36 |
| de-facto | (well not now but some years ago) | 00:36 |
| de-facto | yeah i always have CWA on | 00:37 |
| LjL | Paracetamol works for me for light headache and muscle aches. I won't claim it is miraculous | 00:37 |
| de-facto | and my phone with me | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Ibu seems pretty lightweight to my stomach | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and don't forget the checkmark in that box! | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | de-facto: ^^^ | 00:38 |
| de-facto | what box= | 00:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the "yes, please have my test results electronically processed" or whatever | 00:39 |
| de-facto | ah that was not a thing last time i did it, they received it as FAX lol :) | 00:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that little checkbox on that form which basically almost killed CWA | 00:39 |
| de-facto | but i asked them if they would support QR code and they said they are working on it, so im gonna ask them again | 00:40 |
| LjL | Sigh | 00:41 |
| LjL | And to think this could be quite useful but if Germany can't make it work well then obviously Italy can't make it work at all | 00:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Auf das Kreuz kommt es an<< https://www.kbv.de/html/1150_49115.php | 00:41 |
| de-facto | that was in the summer of 2020, so hopefully they improved on that | 00:41 |
| de-facto | it was quite annoying me basically doing a DOS via phone on them for getting my result LOL | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .tr <de Zudem muss das Einwilligungsfeld zur Übermittlung des Testergebnisses in die Corona-Warn-App angekreuzt beziehungsweise markiert werden, wenn die Testperson einverstanden ist. Denn ohne Einverständnis darf das Labor das Ergebnis nicht an die App übermitteln | 00:43 |
| Brainstorm | DocScrutinizer05, German to English: In addition, the consent field for transmitting the test result to the Corona Warning app must be ticked or marked if the test person agrees. Because without consent the laboratory may not transmit the result to the app (MyMemory) [... want %more?] | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the idiots had have the option to make that "[ ] please do NOT transfer result to my corona warn app" | 00:44 |
| de-facto | [ ] yes i make use of my right to decline from opting out to not transfer my result via corona warn app | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alle nicht gefundenen ergebnisse nicht auf keiner liste einsortieren [Siemens IT, paraphrased] | 00:47 |
| de-facto | i had something like that on my working contract. i striked it through and wrote it in my own words above it LOL | 00:48 |
| de-facto | that after asking three secretaries that use it every day | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, dentist appointment tomorrow. Nor really happy with it either | 00:52 |
| de-facto | gargle before and after with some alc | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at NINE o'clock in the morning!! :-O | 00:53 |
| de-facto | i have to call them at 7:30 to get an appointment at 11:00 :-O | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's even more satanic | 00:53 |
| de-facto | they want to make sure i dont get enough sleep, so the result has less probability of a false neg :P | 00:54 |
| de-facto | (ofc thats nonsense) | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at 7:45 you won't go have a nap until you get to get up for the 11:00 appointment | 00:55 |
| de-facto | not really yeah | 00:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +5151 cases (now 2.3 million), +383 deaths (now 65949) since 17 hours ago — Canada: +749 cases (now 828393), +16 deaths (now 21309) since 19 hours ago | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can you help me out with precise number of population: germany ? | 00:57 |
| de-facto | idk maybe https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/germany-population/ | 01:00 |
| de-facto | https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Bevoelkerungsstand/Tabellen/zensus-geschlecht-staatsangehoerigkeit-2020.html | 01:02 |
| de-facto | DocScrutinizer05, ^^ | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ta | 01:03 |
| LjL | %wa population of Germany | 01:04 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, Wolfram|Alpha (Germany | population): Result: 83.5 million people (world rank: 17th) (2019 estimate) → https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=population+of+Germany | 01:04 |
| LjL | That sometimes works! | 01:04 |
| LjL | Isn't very precise I guess | 01:05 |
| de-facto | heh maybe i should register myself on a hot chilli sauce endurance competition or such :D | 01:07 |
| de-facto | or would that be cheating? | 01:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Palestinians accuse Israel of preventing COVID-19 vaccine transfer to Gaza → https://is.gd/l1mMbk | 01:11 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Botswana: +24 deaths (now 226) since 3 days ago — Dominica: +13 cases (now 134) since 12 days ago | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, pimped mystats a bit,now has "official" /100k7d as calculated from 83157201 and sigma[7d](reported-cases) (the pink raw data curve) | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now updating | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Israel blocks Covid-19 vaccines destined for Gaza → https://is.gd/2s7Luo | 01:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 450,000 families behind on rent because of Covid → https://is.gd/id8xYk | 01:48 |
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| -Synapsestorm- ⭕ Earthquake! Séisme! 6.3 Mb tremor, registered by HKOEARTHQUAKE5E,scevent, occurred 10 minutes ago (00:49:35 UTC), during daytime, Vanuatu Islands (-17.89, 167.74) ± 7 km, ↓46 km likely felt 330 km away (in Port Vila…) by 44000 people — Webcams: https://www.windy.com/webcams/1611894429 (service.geonet.org.nz) | 01:59 | |
| CovidHater | Hey | 02:03 |
| CovidHater | Testing....can anyone see this? | 02:05 |
| qkall | no | 02:06 |
| qkall | yes | 02:06 |
| qkall | ;) | 02:06 |
| CovidHater | Damn, I'm talking to myself then | 02:06 |
| CovidHater | qkall you from the UK? | 02:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +3136 cases (now 1.0 million), +25 deaths (now 14890) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +10379 cases (now 4.0 million) since 23 hours ago | 02:10 |
| qkall | CovidHater: nope | 02:10 |
| CovidHater | US then | 02:11 |
| qkall | apologetically from teh states but... like i'm puerto rican so... don't lump me in ;-* | 02:11 |
| CovidHater | Cool like the guy that won the boxing over the weekend | 02:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Study questions whether pubs can effectively prevent COVID-19 transmission risk: A new first-of-its-kind study has questioned whether pub operators can effectively and consistently prevent COVID-19 transmission—after researchers observed risks arising in licensed premises last summer. → https://is.gd/dzB3Lk | 02:12 |
| qkall | ...yes? | 02:13 |
| qkall | ... | 02:13 |
| CovidHater | How have pubs managed the flu? | 02:13 |
| CovidHater | @qkall lol yes | 02:13 |
| ubLIX[m] | what flu? | 02:13 |
| CovidHater | Sara's flu | 02:14 |
| ubLIX[m] | huh? | 02:14 |
| CovidHater | Normal seasonal one | 02:15 |
| ubLIX[m] | with indifference, i presume | 02:17 |
| CovidHater | Yes, and the elderly and vulnerable were at just as much risk | 02:17 |
| ubLIX[m] | what gave you that idea? | 02:18 |
| CovidHater | There are more people asymptomatic with Covid than with the flu | 02:18 |
| CovidHater | Meaning healthier people have tolerated Covid better than the flu | 02:18 |
| ubLIX[m] | what gave you THAT idea? | 02:19 |
| CovidHater | The same that seems to have been lost on you | 02:19 |
| CovidHater | Common sense | 02:20 |
| de-facto | .title https://github.com/mbevand/covid19-age-stratified-ifr#comparing-covid-19-to-seasonal-influenza | 02:20 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From github.com: GitHub - mbevand/covid19-age-stratified-ifr: Calculates the age-stratified infection fatality ratio (IFR) of COVID-19 | 02:20 |
| de-facto | ...compared to the seasonal flu | 02:21 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: Mexico Gets Over 800000 AstraZeneca Vaccine Doses From India (10016 votes) | https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/mexico-gets-over-8-lakh-astrazeneca-vaccine-doses-from-india-2370622 | https://redd.it/lkaj0f | 02:21 |
| de-facto | with sources ofc | 02:21 |
| CovidHater | Sources that have inflated covid related fatalities | 02:22 |
| ubLIX[m] | uff | 02:22 |
| CovidHater | You seem in pain, you ok there? | 02:22 |
| de-facto | sources for that claim? | 02:22 |
| CovidHater | Get yourself to the hospital asap. | 02:22 |
| ubLIX[m] | refer to quantitative evidence or leave | 02:22 |
| CovidHater | You might have covid | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CovidHater: would you please stop claiming stuff (I consider misconceptions or simply BS) without providing proper source references and rationale | 02:23 |
| CovidHater | Will have to dig around... | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, rather do... and come back when you got your stuff sorted | 02:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile with "7d incdc. /100k7d" (marginally pimped) http://reisenweber.net/et_al/covid/covid19_statistics.htm | 02:26 |
| CovidHater | https//metro.co.uk/2020/07/16/daily-death-toll-inflated-true-number-far-lower-experts-claim-12999101/amp/ | 02:27 |
| ubLIX[m] | le sigh | 02:28 |
| ubLIX[m] | got a non-amp link for that? | 02:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this has been as nonsensical in 2020/07/16/ as it is today | 02:29 |
| CovidHater | 24000-60000 deaths a year | 02:29 |
| CovidHater | To the flu | 02:29 |
| CovidHater | That's with the flu vaccine | 02:30 |
| de-facto | i surely would go to a hotel if it made sense, but i did not travel so i did not import a new variant and there are many other cases in our city right now so i focus on isolating from any human contact and get a test (just as the official advice is btw) | 02:30 |
| de-facto | gn8 | 02:31 |
| CovidHater | Is it true that mutations are usually less harmful than the original virus | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take care de-facto , good luck and n8 | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CovidHater: in certains cases under specific narrow conditions it's true | 02:32 |
| CovidHater | Sorry guys playing devil's advocate here | 02:32 |
| CovidHater | Specific narrow conditions, I heard it's normal | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's true when the virus gains an advantage for own spreading from losing some of it's damaging potential | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for covid that's not the case | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since SARS-COV2 spreads pre-symptomatic | 02:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and people pretty much actually self-quarantine with symptoms now. They didn't when they suspected their sneezing was a flu | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so the virus doesn't gain anything from becoming less harmful | 02:35 |
| CovidHater | DocScrutinizer05 there's no sure way of knowing people are doing that | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually there might be a variant that is asymptomatic in 95% of people, which might change that aspect and help that variant to dominate | 02:37 |
| CovidHater | DocScrutinizer05 and if they are, why have death rates been higher than when it was first identified? | 02:37 |
| CovidHater | Asymptomatic meaning non-life threatening, right? | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's no sure way to tell _all_ people are doing that, most certainly _not_ all are doing it, but definitely many more than with the usual seasonal flu do it now | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | asymptomatic means no symptoms so yes, death is one symtptom | 02:39 |
| CovidHater | This is anecdotal but because it's the winter season and many are likely to get the flu. Is it not possible that those symptoms might be mistaken to be Covid symptoms and deaths therefore to be classed as covid deaths? | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then, I wouldn't want the long covid shit even if somebody would *guarantee* me I won't die from it | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | covid deaths are *always* with a positive test ffor the virus | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no dearh is counted as covid death just because... | 02:41 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Benin: +479 cases (now 5039), +6 deaths (now 62) since 5 days ago | 02:41 |
| CovidHater | And then there's the case of false positive tests | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's a legend, there is no such thing like false positives | 02:41 |
| CovidHater | I've read that the test we're using is not fit for purpose | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, forget that | 02:42 |
| CovidHater | https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/accuracy-of-rapid-covid-test-may-be-lower-than-previously-suggested/ | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't know about *your* site and the test you use there. In Europe and USA the lab PCR with auditing is 99.999999999% correct on positives | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rapid tests are not even used to determine covid fatalities | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd assume everywhere a casualty will get tested by proper lab PCR, not a 10 minutes quicktest | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ubLIX[m]: may I hand over to you? I got to go afk | 02:46 |
| CovidHater | Well there is every chance that the NHS staff have not done that for the post-mortem | 02:46 |
| CovidHater | It's okay. | 02:46 |
| CovidHater | There's enough info there. I don't think it's enough for the covid-deniers | 02:46 |
| CovidHater | Search Sucharit Bhakdi | 02:48 |
| CovidHater | PETER HITCHENS: So is this really an epidemic of despair? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9180133/PETER-HITCHENS-really-epidemic-despair.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead | 02:53 |
| CovidHater | Lots of sane and intelligent voices out there that are not conspiracy theorists are asking questions only to be shut down by social media platforms. There is something awry | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quicktests are just a cheap simple complementary tool to help track&contain the virus, like masks and hygiene and venting the room frequently. I give you that, they are not very precise and reliable but then you just gut to be aware what those quicktests are, don't mistake them for sth they are not even meant for, like a magic wand to spot end eradicate each single virus. | 02:54 |
| CovidHater | Trying to do my own research and would urge others to switch off the tele and do the same | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ummm, I think *here* we do *exactly* that | 02:56 |
| CovidHater | Where do you obtain your information from? | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/freenode/__covid-19/search?q=rxiv | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for example | 02:57 |
| CovidHater | That's great stuff | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.arcgis.com/sharing/rest/content/items/f10774f1c63e40168479a1feb6c7ca74/data for germany, resulting in http://reisenweber.net/et_al/covid/covid19_statistics.htm | 02:58 |
| CovidHater | I need to get to bed. I'll read up using the links you've provided. Thanks for putting up with questions | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 03:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: 'Disturbing' hallucinations increase during lockdown for blind people: Lockdown sees a "disturbing" rise in the number of blind people experiencing distressing hallucinations, a charity says. → https://is.gd/CKenwn | 03:02 |
| CovidHater | I never thought I'd ever paste the Daily Mail articles but please read the Peter Hitchens one guys. Night! | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | neh! dont! >>There is also a strange drop in influenza this year. Amazingly, lockdown enthusiasts are crediting this to the closure of our society. But if strangling almost all normal life is so effective against flu, why is it not working against Covid?<< is all you might need to read, to know what this article is trying to convey | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no really, do NOT read this >>I believe figures are also showing a reduction in excess deaths from Alzheimer’s and dementia.<< since when is Alzheimer or dementia a major cause of death? | 03:18 |
| ubLIX | "daily mail" OR "peter hitchens"; one or the other is sufficient to give the thing a pass | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a kick, you meant? | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what an evil jackass, this peter hitchens | 03:27 |
| ubLIX | christopher hitchen's brother. the difference in outlook is astounding | 03:32 |
| LjL | <de-facto> heh maybe i should register myself on a hot chilli sauce endurance competition or such :D ← sorry, that's not actually smell or taste, technically, those are pain receptors | 03:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Israel Blocks Shipment of COVID-19 Vaccines To Gaza → https://is.gd/obA4Ry | 03:37 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: Fauci wins $1 million Israeli prize for 'defending science' (10115 votes) | https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-science-pandemics-israel-25c3a68083ce77652a4330e944cced73 | https://redd.it/lkh85x | 04:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Remote Workers Flee to $70,000-a-Month Resorts While Awaiting Vaccines → https://is.gd/5QxpQW | 04:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Israel Blocks Shipment of COVID-19 Vaccines To Gaza → https://is.gd/or4OEV | 05:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Three sailors have COVID on US ship that saw outbreak last year → https://is.gd/MfSiLH | 05:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Iran sees risk of fourth COVID wave fed by mutant virus → https://is.gd/0RZTC5 | 05:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, FOURTH wave | 06:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: The rollout of Russia's Sputnik vaccine was roundly criticised, now over a billion doses have been ordered → https://is.gd/RkVMWR | 06:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | %cases iran | 07:01 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Belgium: +857 cases (now 739488), +40 deaths (now 21702) since 23 hours ago — New Zealand: +1 cases (now 2337), +1 deaths (now 26) since a day ago | 07:01 |
| Brainstorm | DocScrutinizer05: In Iran, there have been 1.5 million confirmed cases (1.8% of the population) and 59028 deaths (3.9% of cases) as of 16 hours ago. 10.0 million tests were performed (15.2% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.5% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 4.3% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iran for time series data. | 07:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh well https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Iran&cumulative=no&smooth=yes FOURTH wave hmmmm | 07:04 |
| Brainstorm | New preprint: SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.526 emerging in the New York region detected by software utility created to query the spike mutational landscape by Anthony P West Jr. et al, made available as preprint on 2021-02-15 at https://biorxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2021.02.14.431043 [... want %more?] | 07:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Remote workers flee to $70,000-a-month resorts while awaiting vaccines → https://is.gd/TQnPNm | 07:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Palestinians accuse Israel of preventing COVID-19 vaccine transfer to Gaza → https://is.gd/6Vlnew | 07:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +32666 cases (now 3.5 million), +486 deaths (now 82300) since 23 hours ago — United Kingdom: +9774 cases (now 4.1 million), +233 deaths (now 117509) since 23 hours ago — Lombardy, Italy: +945 cases (now 564023), +35 deaths (now 27816) since 23 hours ago — Netherlands: +2819 cases (now 1.0 million), +27 deaths (now 14903) since 23 hours ago | 07:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Hospitals still ration medical N95 masks as stockpiles swell → https://is.gd/ssQD7Y | 07:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Fashion: Comfort has become a mainstay since COVID-19: Designer Kunal Rawal → https://is.gd/vocUWT | 08:22 |
| andrew_znc | %cases Shanghai | 08:57 |
| Brainstorm | andrew_znc: In Shanghai, China, there have been 1765 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) and 7 deaths (0.4% of cases) as of an hour ago. Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.1% (assuming deaths/cases with ⅔ undetected) and less than 0.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Shanghai for time series data. | 08:57 |
| andrew_znc | %cases Virginia | 08:57 |
| Brainstorm | andrew_znc: In Virginia, United States, there have been 551538 confirmed cases (6.6% of the population) and 7016 deaths (1.3% of cases) as of an hour ago. 1.4 million tests were performed (38.6% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Virginia for time series data. | 08:57 |
| andrew_znc | 1765 confirmed cases (0.0% of the population) is 0.0% really correct?? | 08:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | February 16, 2021: The World Health Organization maintains up-to-date and global information. Please refer to our Wiki for additional information. You can find answers to frequently asked questions about Covid-19 and vaccines in our FAQ . → https://is.gd/A0zDmH | 09:12 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Researchers Investigate What COVID-19 Does to the Heart (82 votes) | https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2776538?utm_source=linkedin&utm_campaign=content-shareicons&utm_content=article_engagement&utm_medium=social&utm_term=021521#.YCsgFtUtcho.linkedin | https://redd.it/lku8ki | 09:18 |
| lazysundaydreams | %cases Czechia | 09:28 |
| Brainstorm | lazysundaydreams: In Czechia, there have been 1.1 million confirmed cases (10.2% of the population) and 18250 deaths (1.7% of cases) as of 23 hours ago. 4.9 million tests were performed (22.1% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.8% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.8% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Czechia for time series data. | 09:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +4176 cases (now 2.3 million) since 18 hours ago | 09:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Veterinary medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Eurican Herpes 205, Canine herpes vaccine (inactivated subunit), Date of authorisation: 26/03/2001, Revision: 12, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/Ri5QEX | 09:45 |
| aradesh | https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1361556997380993025 | 09:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: North Korea made attempts to steal COVID-19 vaccine technology from Pfizer: Yonhap citing NIS → https://is.gd/E7d1Qe | 10:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: As the pandemic ushered in isolation and financial hardship, overdose deaths reached new heights: Among the unrelenting death statistics flowing from the CDC last month, one grim non-Covid-19 statistic stood out: 81,003, the highest number of overdose deaths ever recorded in the U.S. in… → https://is.gd/Aus0Cf | 10:48 |
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| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid vaccine impact revealed in over-80s blood tests: Covid mortality has continued to fall - but deaths remain 40% higher than average. → https://is.gd/17jDgb | 11:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: The IRS Cashed Her Check. Then the Late Notices Started Coming.: by Lydia DePillis ProPublica is a nonprofit newsroom that investigates abuses of power. Sign up to receive our biggest stories as soon as they’re published. Kathy Brenneman hears plenty of taxpayer horror stories in her receptionist’s job at a tax preparation [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/RPksH5 | 11:36 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +4374 cases (now 2.3 million) since 20 hours ago — Canada: +2 deaths (now 21311) since 11 hours ago | 12:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Jo Whiley: 'I'd give up my Covid vaccine in a heartbeat': The DJ says she has been offered a Covid jab before her sister, who has a learning disability. → https://is.gd/z2PWAu | 12:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: North Korean hackers tried to steal Pfizer vaccine know-how, lawmaker says → https://is.gd/Bw2l7o | 12:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Israel blocks shipment of Russian Sputnik V vaccine to Gaza | Coronavirus pandemic News → https://is.gd/DSNNu6 | 13:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Zero Covid in Europe: Possible or pipe dream?: Hit the virus quick and hard, undergoing drastic short-term measures in order to allow life to return to normal. Several nations in Asia and Oceania have pursued "Zero COVID" strategies. → https://is.gd/hT2h8e | 13:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China Used Russian Strategy To Spread Lies That US Created COVID-19: Report → https://is.gd/GoG76n | 13:54 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Health: Q&A: How the U.S. can respond to coronavirus variants, and prepare for future evolution → https://is.gd/f7Xy1n | 14:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: India’s focus on wellness from before the pandemic has inspired the world: PM Narendra Modi → https://is.gd/PJZNoN | 14:44 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +1075 cases (now 544282) since a day ago | 15:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: Covid: Extra 1.7m vulnerable added to shielding list: Move brings total to 4m in England and means vaccinations will be prioritised more quickly for some. → https://is.gd/Te1Lu9 | 15:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: Pharmalittle: WHO approves AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine; North Korean hackers target Pfizer vaccine data: The WHO approved the Covid-19 vaccine from AstraZeneca for emergency use, clearing the way for the first shipments of free vaccines in the West’s main effort to inoculate the world’s… → https://is.gd/FNmnPn | 15:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Global weekly COVID cases are falling, WHO says—but 'if we stop fighting it on any front, it will come roaring back': The number of reported global weekly COVID cases is falling and has dropped nearly 50% this year, the World Health Organization (WHO) said overnight. This incredibly encouraging news shows the power of public [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/pmdjLo | 15:47 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: The effects of school closures on SARS-CoV-2 among parents and teachers (80 votes) | https://www.pnas.org/content/118/9/e2020834118 | https://redd.it/lktfdf | 15:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from Shane Crotty: @profshanecrotty: To prevent expansion of variants like B1351 in America, I think it would also make sense to immediately 'ring vaccinate' any community in which B1351 is [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/tX7WtZ | 17:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Mortality Due to COVID-19 in the COVID-AGEBRU Study → https://is.gd/AUFafo | 17:54 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Moderna Provides U.S. COVID-19 Vaccine Supply Update (84 votes) | https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-provides-us-covid-19-vaccine-supply-update-0 | https://redd.it/ll5ogx | 18:03 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +9931 cases (now 4.1 million), +801 deaths (now 118195) since 22 hours ago — Germany: +4854 cases (now 2.3 million) since 22 hours ago — Netherlands: +50 deaths (now 14940) since 15 hours ago — Canada: +6 deaths (now 21315) since 17 hours ago | 18:06 |
| Jigsy | %cases UK | 18:10 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: In United Kingdom, there have been 4.1 million confirmed cases (6.1% of the population) and 118195 deaths (2.9% of cases) as of 4 minutes ago. 83.0 million tests were performed (4.9% positive). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=United%20Kingdom for time series data. | 18:10 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: North Korea Reportedly Tried to Hack Pfizer Servers to Steal Coronavirus Vaccine → https://is.gd/Sk51rR | 18:29 |
| LjL | "steal" | 18:31 |
| kreyren1 | Is there anything stealable anyway? | 18:32 |
| kreyren1 | like recipe to make my own vaccine | 18:32 |
| LjL | kreyren1, not in that sense, for sure | 18:33 |
| LjL | but with a country's worth of equipment, yes i suppose there could be something stealable | 18:33 |
| LjL | in theory a patent should contain everything about the "invention", but i doubt it does | 18:34 |
| kreyren1 | so what is even the point | 18:34 |
| * kreyren1 closes his terminal | 18:34 | |
| LjL | the point is that you aren't a country? | 18:34 |
| LjL | i bet you can't make atomic bombs, either | 18:34 |
| kreyren1 | two more months in this quaranteen and i will fit the size requirement | 18:34 |
| LjL | amateurs! | 18:34 |
| * kreyren1 was hoping for something to put in a 3D printer | 18:35 | |
| LjL | i don't think those do RNA yet | 18:36 |
| LjL | maybe the easiest thing to produce would be an attenuated vaccine. also the most dangerous. | 18:36 |
| LjL | you'd need someone to cough SARS-COV-2 at you first though | 18:36 |
| LjL | which is the dangerous part | 18:37 |
| kreyren1 | no problem i have a desperate country willing to inject people with shit we do the clitical trials in the wild | 18:37 |
| LjL | actually, make that inactivated, attenuated might be harder | 18:37 |
| LjL | oh well then you're all set | 18:37 |
| kreyren1 | yay crisis averted then | 18:38 |
| * kreyren1 is going to wait for his noble price | 18:38 | |
| LjL | €1 million for a knighthood | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Jamaica: +468 cases (now 19773) since 23 hours ago | 18:43 |
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| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Biz & IT: North Korea may have hacked into Pfizer servers looking for COVID data → https://is.gd/WSbgyN | 19:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +10368 cases (now 2.7 million), +336 deaths (now 94171) since a day ago | 19:20 |
| LjL | https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-provides-us-covid-19-vaccine-supply-update-0 are we going to get similar amounts of mRNA vaccines? (i don't think other types are comparable, in production difficulty but also in efficacy) | 19:26 |
| de-facto | i think BioNTech also ramped up production caps (as in their press releases few weeks ago) | 19:58 |
| de-facto | not sure if Moderna will deliver also more to other countries, id guess they go with the America first or such | 19:59 |
| de-facto | https://investors.biontech.de/press-releases even states Pfizer/BioNTech will deliver 100M more doses to USA | 20:00 |
| de-facto | seems Marburg is already in production https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/update-vaccine-production-biontechs-manufacturing-site-marburg | 20:01 |
| de-facto | actually i dont expect USA to deliver helpful amounts of vaccines outside of their borders until they solved their own problem (quite in contrast to Europe obviously) | 20:04 |
| de-facto | https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations | 20:09 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +10057 cases (now 3.1 million), +530 deaths (now 65979) since 23 hours ago — France: +334 deaths (now 82472) since 22 hours ago | 20:16 |
| de-facto | J&J going for getting their approval from EMA? | 20:34 |
| de-facto | .title https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-receives-application-conditional-marketing-authorisation-covid-19-vaccine-janssen | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.ema.europa.eu: EMA receives application for conditional marketing authorisation of COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen | European Medicines Agency | 20:35 |
| de-facto | %vax Janssen | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, Ad26 alone or with MVA boost is a Non-replicating viral vector vaccine developed in Belgium + USA by Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) + Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center (Harvard Medical School) + Emergent BioSolutions + Catalent, which started testing on humans initially on Aug 11, currently employing 60000 healthy volunteers aged 18+ → [... want %more?] | 20:35 |
| LjL | de-facto, have you gotten the swab? | 20:45 |
| de-facto | yes | 20:54 |
| de-facto | called them in the morning at 7:30, got an appointment at 11:20 they took the swab and provided me a QR code to scan with the CW-App, i did that and it showed result pending the whole day... | 20:56 |
| de-facto | just got my result: negative, no SARS-CoV-2 found in the swab, hence its a normal cold it seems | 20:56 |
| de-facto | this time it went super smooth and fast, 8h till result (and everyone would have been warned by the bluetooth beacons automagically) | 20:57 |
| de-facto | so they really did improve on that infrastructure | 20:57 |
| LjL | de-facto, nice | 20:59 |
| LjL | how's the smell? | 20:59 |
| de-facto | i still will distance from people until i feel better | 20:59 |
| LjL | yeah i guess it's still possible it's a false negative, lost sense of smell is a good predictor usually | 20:59 |
| de-facto | actually it came back a bit, yesterday it was almost gone today its still attenuated but i can smell more for some reason | 21:00 |
| LjL | you know i don't think here we can just decide to get tested... even after all this time | 21:00 |
| LjL | we have to call our doctor, and from what i've heard, before agreeing to test you, most doctors let you spend a few days on paracetamol etc | 21:00 |
| de-facto | tbh i am positively surprised by how smooth the test went this time | 21:01 |
| LjL | 8 hours is fast indeed | 21:01 |
| LjL | did the swab feel as painful as some say? | 21:01 |
| de-facto | last summer it did not feel painful at all, this time it hurt a bit indeed | 21:02 |
| de-facto | id do it again anytime though | 21:02 |
| de-facto | i think it depends on the angle they insert it in the nose, if they hit the "ceiling" it may hurt a bit but also get a sample near the olfactory bulb so i guess its worth to do that for increasing the reliability | 21:04 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: This is the best explanation I’ve seen yet of how the vaccine works (10070 votes) | https://xkcd.com/2425/ | https://redd.it/lkx3ct | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Sociopathic traits linked to not wearing a mask or social distancing during pandemic: study → https://is.gd/yikD3J | 21:08 |
| Jigsy | https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/15/32-cases-of-latest-covid-variant-of-concern-found-in-uk | 21:24 |
| Jigsy | Heh. | 21:24 |
| Jigsy | >We don’t yet know how well this [new] variant will spread, but if it is successful it can be presumed that immunity from any vaccine or previous infection will be blunted | 21:24 |
| Jigsy | Not to worry! We all know how the people of the UK have been taking this pandemic seriously. /s | 21:25 |
| blkshp | :@ | 21:25 |
| blkshp | rude | 21:26 |
| kreyren1 | <blkshp "rude"> u called me? | 21:26 |
| kreyren1 | ^-^ | 21:26 |
| blkshp | you* | 21:26 |
| blkshp | :P | 21:26 |
| kreyren1 | ahhh.. | 21:26 |
| de-facto | Well the science in UK is actually pretty good as all those collaborations with universities take place | 21:26 |
| * kreyren1 goes back to hide | 21:27 | |
| * blkshp searches | 21:27 | |
| * blkshp gives up and has a beer. | 21:32 | |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Virologist On Wuhan Trip: Seafood Market 'Not The Whole Story' In Early Outbreak: Virologist Marion Koopmans was part of a WHO team that reconstructed the early coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, China. She talked with NPR about her team's investigation. → https://is.gd/9BAQbH | 21:33 |
| lazysundaydreams | %cases Russia | 21:46 |
| Brainstorm | lazysundaydreams: In Russia, there have been 4.1 million confirmed cases (2.8% of the population) and 80979 deaths (2.0% of cases) as of 12 hours ago. 107.3 million tests were performed (3.8% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 1.4% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 2.2% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Russia for time series data. | 21:46 |
| de-facto | btw i asked my MD today if i could do anything to help with recovering if the test should turn out to be positive (ASS, ACC etc) and she said that i just should drink tea (exactly what i always do anyhow) | 21:54 |
| lazysundaydreams | yea it's an inflammatory disease so enough of liquids is important. | 21:56 |
| lazysundaydreams | or.. you know how i mean it | 21:57 |
| de-facto | on the way back from the test i stopped in front of a pharmacy and winked through the window (i stayed at distance outdoors with valveless FFP2 on), they came out and i asked if i could buy ACC they sold it to me and put it on a chair outdoors and went back, i put my cash and took the med then they went indoors to get me my change and put it again on the chair. so all contacts at more than 2m distance outdoors with a slight wind and both of | 21:58 |
| de-facto | us with tight masks on. i guess they sanitized their hands (as did before and after) | 21:58 |
| de-facto | lazysundaydreams, actually black and green tea seem to have some inactivation capabilities for virions on the surface of mucus | 21:58 |
| de-facto | %papers TSA | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, 3 papers: Significant inactivation of SARS-CoV-2 by a green tea catechin, a catechin-derivative and galloylated theaflavins in vitro by Eriko Ohgitani et al, made available as preprint on 2020-12-06 at https://biorxiv.org/cgi/content/short/2020.12.04.412098 [... want %more?] | 21:59 |
| de-facto | %papers EGCG | 21:59 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto, 5 papers: Identification of Dietary Molecules as Therapeutic Agents to Combat COVID-19 Using Molecular Docking Studies by Mohammad Faheem Khan et al, made available as preprint on 2020-03-26 at https://doi.org/10.21203/rs.3.rs-19560/v1 [... want %more?] | 21:59 |
| lazysundaydreams | wow, so green tea it is.. | 22:02 |
| de-facto | both black and green tea, actually i think black is even more effective but i prefer the taste of green | 22:02 |
| de-facto | its not a cure ofc, but it may help a bit with reducing viral load maybe? | 22:03 |
| blkshp | Ah the wonder of the tea plant. All the same plant, many different beverages. | 22:03 |
| de-facto | otherwise its also healthy (in normal amounts of course, too much of it can damage the liver) | 22:03 |
| * de-facto sips on his mug of green tea :) | 22:04 | |
| de-facto | btw it also might help with other viruses such as flu or cold, there have been papers about it even before 2020 | 22:05 |
| gigasu_shida | i drink a lot of tea and i rarely get sick | 22:13 |
| de-facto | i think it a very good idea to make it a habit (yet in normal amounts) | 22:18 |
| gigasu_shida | you should eat raw carrot and green tea | 22:19 |
| gigasu_shida | and then experiment with other supposed antivirals | 22:20 |
| de-facto | problem is its hard to know if they really help without double blind studies | 22:22 |
| de-facto | if its normal nutrition (in normal amounts) experimenting with it should be fine i guess, but i would be very careful with stuff for which there is not so much experience (not to do harm by it) | 22:24 |
| gigasu_shida | yeah you're right. that's bad advice earlier | 22:25 |
| pwr22 | LjL: yesterday I got a test at 11am here and got the result that night at 2am | 23:09 |
| pwr22 | Negative, so that's good | 23:09 |
| LjL | yay | 23:10 |
| LjL | but why is everyone so fast with tests and we're still terrible | 23:10 |
| LjL | and meanwhile politicians are on tv patting themselves on the back because with Draghi the EU likes us, as if that somehow solves the pandemic | 23:10 |
| pwr22 | ☹️ | 23:11 |
| pwr22 | yeah, seems pretty bad if it's hard to get a test / they wait to see if some people just get better | 23:11 |
| pwr22 | Like, just because you get better doesn't mean it wasn't covid.... | 23:11 |
| de-facto | congratz, yet still remain careful (as normal) since there is the probability of a false negative | 23:17 |
| Arsanerit | having a government is not a bad thing in a crisis | 23:21 |
| de-facto | i guess the pandemic only will be solved with working together on it | 23:23 |
| Arsanerit | what is to be done? | 23:24 |
| de-facto | thats a very good question | 23:27 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +51 deaths (now 14941) since 21 hours ago | 23:29 |
| de-facto | coordinating containment and vaccinations could be a start, agreeing on travel restrictions and solidarity programs (both financially as also in terms of sharing resources and supply chains), organizing free travel zones comes to mind | 23:30 |
| de-facto | idk just working together on a more global concept since for the virus nationality does not play any role | 23:30 |
| de-facto | agreeing on a global surveillance (testing, sequencing, reporting) and reaction pattern (containment, vaccination and updating) program maybe? | 23:35 |
| de-facto | i mean if a variant from SA can get us into trouble in EU success cant be achieved without SA being successful at the same time | 23:36 |
| de-facto | just as one random example | 23:36 |
| Arsanerit | The tradeoff between damage due to the virus (obvious) and damage due to lockdowns (education, culture, business) seems impossible to get right. | 23:37 |
| de-facto | well im not so sure since for example the damage on both seems to be less with less incidence happening (e.g. as in some Asian countries), so id assume the relationship is not "OR" but "AND" | 23:38 |
| LjL | pwr22, did you have to get your GP's prescription to get the test or could you just get it on your own accord like de-facto? | 23:50 |
| de-facto | well my GP would not have done the test without investigating if it would make sense, so if my GP was convinced the test would not make sense it would not have been done | 23:55 |
| de-facto | (yet i guess that rarely would happen because then they would have to be responsible for no test being done) | 23:56 |
| de-facto | LjL, how does that work in Italy? | 23:57 |
| LjL | de-facto, oh okay i got it wrong, i thought you had simply gotten the test on your own accord, without needing GP prescription | 23:59 |
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