Arsanerit | goodnight | 00:00 |
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de-facto | yes still | 00:04 |
Brainstorm | New from University of Washington: Double dose of debate: Opinions vary on timing of COVID vaccine shots as potential 4th wave looms (includes Ruanne Barnabas): Vaccine-practice-768x432.png Close In a bootcamp that launched in January, University of Washington School of Nursing students train other UW students and faculty who hope to help in COVID-19 [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/5mMdLv | 00:29 |
Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Correspondence] Vaccines and SARS-CoV-2 variants: the urgent need for a correlate of protection: Immune-escape variants have raised concerns about the effectiveness of vaccines as the world scales up SARS-CoV-2 immunisation. COVID-19 vaccines have shown up to 95% efficacy1 in preventing clinical cases and up to 100% [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/IQvmSo | 00:39 |
de-facto | heh thats helpful info about estimated reproduction values in various indoor scenarios | 00:56 |
de-facto | .title https://depositonce.tu-berlin.de/handle/11303/12592 | 00:56 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From depositonce.tu-berlin.de: DepositOnce: Covid-19 contagion via aerosol particles – comparative evaluation of indoor environments with respect to situational R-value | 00:56 |
de-facto | linked from | 00:57 |
de-facto | .title https://blogs.tu-berlin.de/hri_sars-cov-2/2021/02/11/covid-19-ansteckung-ueber-aerosolpartikel-vergleichende-bewertung-von-innenraeumen-hinsichtlich-des-situationsbedingten-r-wertes/ | 00:57 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From blogs.tu-berlin.de: Covid-19 Ansteckung über Aerosolpartikel – vergleichende Bewertung von Innenräumen hinsichtlich des situationsbedingten R-Wertes – SARS-CoV-2 | 00:57 |
de-facto | LjL, maybe something for the link collection? | 00:59 |
de-facto | i guess its based on https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.08.20209106v5 | 01:03 |
de-facto | .title | 01:03 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Predicted Infection Risk for Aerosol Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 | medRxiv | 01:03 |
de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/Kzm1R0F https://i.imgur.com/tam7hDq.jpeg | 01:21 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19: Contagion via aerosol particles indoor environment comparison - Album on Imgur | 01:21 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Brazilian business elites blast Bolsonaro's Covid-19 response and call for universal income and Covid-19 lock down to stop its spread in the Country → https://is.gd/Ta0mgn | 01:50 |
LjL | de-facto, i bet you like it because it says schools are bad :P | 01:54 |
LjL | de-facto, meanwhile here's something i don't like: https://github.com/google/exposure-notifications-internals can you spot it? (hint: "it", or the lack of it) | 01:54 |
de-facto | heh but 16 commits are a nice power of 2 | 01:57 |
de-facto | "It was published as part of a [transparency effort][5], and there are no current plans to update the code contained within the repo." | 01:57 |
de-facto | so illegal according to swiss law? | 01:57 |
LjL | de-facto, probably, except they have removed the issue where that was pointed out | 01:58 |
LjL | so i'd like to contact the person who said that, and inquire | 01:58 |
LjL | but now i don't know who they are | 01:58 |
LjL | so transparent | 01:58 |
pwr22 | <LjL "and governments giving them more"> I agree but also two wrongs dont make a right | 01:58 |
pwr22 | They just make more covid | 01:58 |
LjL | pwr22, when you're making laws that threaten people's right to protest in the long term, at a time when it's "not supposed to be okay" to protest due to health reason, you're making a recipe for trouble, and i only see one side being obviosuly wrong | 02:14 |
LjL | de-facto, btw https://depositonce.tu-berlin.de/handle/11303/12592.2 has a newer version of the link you posted (same url but .2) | 02:20 |
LjL | not sure what changed. anyway, it would be interesting to have an interactive version of this model i guess instead of just some preset scenarios | 02:21 |
LjL | ah i guess you have that if i look elsewhere | 02:21 |
LjL | or not, different one | 02:22 |
de-facto | i think its the german version? | 02:30 |
LjL | Language:English | 02:30 |
de-facto | hmm its not, you are correct its english | 02:31 |
LjL | if you check the other page https://depositonce.tu-berlin.de/handle/11303/12592 it says " Notice This is not the latest version of this item. The latest version can be found at: http://dx.doi.org/10.14279/depositonce-11401.2" | 02:31 |
de-facto | they write "summary: adding another case" | 02:32 |
LjL | ah | 02:32 |
LjL | funny the site is called "deposit once", and they deposited it twice | 02:32 |
de-facto | lol indeed :) | 02:33 |
de-facto | LjL, i guess an interactive version could be derived from their model in https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.08.20209106v5 | 02:34 |
de-facto | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndgi2rILTig Corona-Gipfel: Merkel zu Ergebnissen | Pressekonferenz live | 02:37 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.youtube.com: Corona-Gipfel: Merkel zu Ergebnissen | Pressekonferenz live - YouTube | 02:37 |
LjL | de-facto, time to refine your transcribe&translate skills | 02:42 |
rpifan | de-facto, i didnt watch | 02:43 |
rpifan | i only saw the preinterview talk | 02:43 |
rpifan | did they decide to shut us down again | 02:44 |
de-facto | so far bla bla | 02:44 |
de-facto | i am too tired to translate (and i cant compete with LjL anyhow) | 02:44 |
LjL | pretty sure you can compete when it's from german :P but fair enough | 02:45 |
de-facto | shutdown during eastern | 02:45 |
rpifan | de-facto, vlt du wüsstet nicht dass ich mehr als ein bisschen Deutsch kann | 02:45 |
de-facto | doch wusste ich schon | 02:45 |
LjL | und mit ... möglich ... werden ... dabei nicht ... wir werden in dieser zeit ... höffentlich ... gastronomie ... öffnet ... geschlossen ... | 02:46 |
rpifan | na gut | 02:46 |
LjL | i guess that gives the idea, i can stop | 02:46 |
LjL | also the audio went away | 02:46 |
rpifan | lol | 02:46 |
rpifan | also its late for all of us why r yall up | 02:46 |
rpifan | go to sleep | 02:46 |
de-facto | they make the mistake again addressing their wishes to the citizens | 02:46 |
de-facto | they should agree on mandatory measures for the federal states with sanctions | 02:46 |
de-facto | otherwise every state will again just do what they want and not care about any agreements | 02:47 |
LjL | we're not even a federal countries and still the government cannot make the regions do what it decides | 02:47 |
LjL | imagine if we were federal | 02:47 |
de-facto | imho the whole federal model utterly failed | 02:47 |
de-facto | tests before flights LMAO | 02:48 |
rpifan | well | 02:48 |
de-facto | omg such a fucking fail | 02:48 |
LjL | it's all relative. you've still overall done better than most of the big european countries. of course there's a myriad of factors at play so who knows whose merit that is. | 02:48 |
rpifan | i thopught germany was a federal republic | 02:48 |
rpifan | bundesrepublic | 02:48 |
LjL | of course it is | 02:49 |
rpifan | i personally have thougth germany has bene fucking up covid since the 1st day | 02:49 |
rpifan | always putting more priveldge on the economy then the ppl | 02:49 |
rpifan | plus the fact that its been over a year and they still dont have a plan is idiotic | 02:50 |
LjL | that's what every country in the EU did, but germany did the least bad | 02:50 |
rpifan | at least the uk can say ok, today its Level 2 and tommorow Level 3 | 02:50 |
LjL | if you compare it to asian countries then yes it's a failure | 02:50 |
rpifan | so ppl who what the regulations are | 02:50 |
de-facto | its not people or economy, economy only can work with healthy people without pathogen circulation | 02:50 |
rpifan | and can plan ahead | 02:50 |
rpifan | instead the bundesgovt changes it mind every 3 weeks | 02:50 |
rpifan | and it creates chaos | 02:50 |
rpifan | then the lä | 02:51 |
LjL | nder | 02:51 |
rpifan | länder do whatever they want anyway | 02:51 |
de-facto | its a chaos, those ministers of federal states are compete idiots, they are the source of all those problems | 02:51 |
rpifan | i saw a confernece where merkel was like, ok well i wanted us to shut down but are a federal republic and the states do what they want sorry | 02:51 |
de-facto | they oppose to any agreement of substance | 02:51 |
rpifan | and i was like really? then whats your job Merkel. i felt bad for the woman and i dont really like her | 02:52 |
de-facto | merkel is the only one that understands this | 02:52 |
LjL | that's like asking what the US president's job is though | 02:52 |
LjL | just because he cannot do state-specific things doesn't mean he isn't quite powerful | 02:52 |
de-facto | fuck. | 02:53 |
de-facto | i knew already this would not work properly when they started with blabla | 02:53 |
de-facto | thats always bad sign | 02:54 |
rpifan | yes except the uS president can force states to do stuff | 02:54 |
rpifan | for example they have forced states to increase the drinkign age to 21 | 02:54 |
rpifan | by saying if u dont, you dont any funds for roads | 02:54 |
LjL | government by blackmail, sounds lovely | 02:54 |
de-facto | here are the decisions | 02:54 |
de-facto | https://www.bundesregierung.de/resource/blob/997532/1879672/2854753dbc7549432db7f0bba94e8c0f/2021-03-22-mpk-data.pdf?download=1 | 02:55 |
rpifan | well politics is blackmail | 02:55 |
LjL | wow you wrote those down pretty quick! | 02:55 |
de-facto | https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://www.bundesregierung.de/resource/blob/997532/1879672/2854753dbc7549432db7f0bba94e8c0f/2021-03-22-mpk-data.pdf?download%3D1 | 02:56 |
de-facto | if they start begging the citizens it means they could not agree on effective containment and they know it | 02:56 |
rpifan | thats a lot of text | 02:56 |
rpifan | lotso f bla blah | 02:56 |
rpifan | instead there a real summary | 02:56 |
rpifan | all i understood is that they are possibilites but nothing firm | 02:57 |
LjL | hmm they'll be giving everyone (who wants it, presumably) one free test per week | 02:58 |
LjL | that's similar to what Greece just did | 02:58 |
LjL | as always i assume there are some shared EU decisions "in the background" that we aren't really told about | 02:59 |
rpifan | i saw one of those comedians in german | 02:59 |
LjL | or at least, some common recommendations that are made to EU governments | 02:59 |
rpifan | make fun of the fact that spahn said we could get those test one year ago | 02:59 |
rpifan | and they sitll werent around | 02:59 |
LjL | well, in 2023 or so we'll make fun of the fact we were supposed to all have vaccines "by summer 2021" | 03:00 |
LjL | i hope by saying 2023 i'm not being overly optimistic though | 03:00 |
rpifan | im a huge pessimisst and i want the lockdowns to continue | 03:01 |
rpifan | and even i dont think | 03:01 |
rpifan | we cnat do it by 2022 | 03:02 |
rpifan | i suspect by december 2021 well have the vaccines for everything | 03:02 |
rpifan | but not before that | 03:02 |
rpifan | the rest of the year wil lbe much like 2020 | 03:02 |
LjL | whenever we're "done" vaccinating, chances are we'll already have to be moving towards vaccinating everyone again, either against new variants, or just to keep the immunity, or both | 03:13 |
LjL | South Africa is ceding AZ away to other countries. i doubt they would be doing that if they weren't pretty convinced it's not very useful against their variant. | 03:14 |
de-facto | Lockdown will be continued at least until April 18th | 03:15 |
de-facto | Stable weekly incidence of 100/100k will decide between closing/opening | 03:15 |
de-facto | Additional measure MAY be a) masks in cars b) quicktests in risk scenariios c) curfews d) stricter contact restrictions | 03:16 |
de-facto | Shutdown during eastern 1-5 April, one additional household max 5 ppl | 03:16 |
de-facto | More testing after eastern, one quicktest per week is for free, screening tests in schools and kindergarden (twice a week), vaccinations of teachers | 03:16 |
de-facto | Opening in certain scenarios can be done when accompanied with gap-less testing (no exceptions) and electronic tracing | 03:16 |
de-facto | Companies may offer home office or should offer tests (1-2 weekly) on regular basis | 03:16 |
de-facto | Closed companies will be supported financially | 03:16 |
de-facto | Citizens are encouraged not to travel and must register when returning from risk locations and quarantine 10 days that can be aborted with negative test after 5 days (!), with the exception of locations with mutants (14 days quarantine strictly required), all airlines must test prior to entering Germany | 03:17 |
de-facto | Hospitals will get financially supported | 03:17 |
de-facto | Vaccinations are done from high risk to low risk (and associated) | 03:17 |
de-facto | Chancellor and Ministers will meat again at 12th of April. | 03:17 |
LjL | thanks | 03:17 |
LjL | the free testing sounds good, the rest sounds a bit unconvincing | 03:18 |
de-facto | tbh i am not convinced at all | 03:18 |
de-facto | i think this is a big failure. | 03:18 |
de-facto | what exactly is supposed to bring down contact rates hence reproduction? | 03:19 |
de-facto | there is NOTHING of any substance in there | 03:19 |
de-facto | its all a big bla bla | 03:19 |
de-facto | oh well then we will see how far we can go | 03:20 |
de-facto | probably will have doubling numbers each 10 days until they decide for a real lockdown | 03:20 |
de-facto | gn8 :((( | 03:22 |
LjL | night | 03:25 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: WHO: Global coronavirus deaths rise for first time in 6 weeks → https://is.gd/fPZbry | 03:41 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Israelis vote on Netanyahu again, after vaccination success → https://is.gd/MZFSRJ | 04:13 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Wildfire smoke is particularly harmful to kids’ respiratory health, study finds: Wildfire smoke was associated with a far greater number of pediatric respiratory care visits than other sources of airborne fine particles, according to a new study, even when wildfires were… → https://is.gd/h405mP | 05:13 |
LjL | ubLIX[m], <SoftwareSheriff1> (the python weechat plugin sucks really hard, it blocks the UI thread on network stuff so everything will freeze on you for a length of time determined by your network speed every so often. the rust one doesn't have this problem) | 05:15 |
Brainstorm | New from Politico: Merkel announces hard lockdown for Germany during Easter holidays: Germans will be urged to stay home for first five days of April as country faces 'exponential' growth in coronavirus cases. → https://is.gd/4lEA6z | 05:23 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Massive religious gathering worries India as COVID-19 cases surge (Ganges River) → https://is.gd/Ti7NnB | 06:04 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: First COVID, then psychosis: ‘The most terrifying thing I’ve ever experienced’ → https://is.gd/5ROd3n | 06:25 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: AstraZeneca may have provided incomplete efficacy data from latest COVID-19 trial: NIAID → https://is.gd/BrFkn6 | 07:16 |
Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | March 23, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/AAz2Wi | 08:07 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: AstraZeneca may have included 'outdated' data in US vaccine trials: regulator: AstraZeneca may have included out-of-date drug data in information provided during US trials for its COVID-19 vaccine, a regulator said late Monday, citing concerns from a monitoring board. → https://is.gd/olqnuW | 09:08 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Brazil governor calls Bolsonaro a 'psychopathic leader' who made 'unbelievable mistakes' on Covid-19 → https://is.gd/DlG6Kr | 09:18 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: ‘You work your butt off’: Inside the scramble to bring Covid-19 vaccines to homebound Americans: The early vaccination campaign has tried to prioritize the sickest and most elderly. But it’s leaving behind a key, highly vulnerable group: Hundreds of thousands of Americans who are confined… → https://is.gd/pc8Dri | 09:39 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: What we know and don’t know about long Covid: "The most important question right now is, how can we help identify patients who may be at higher risk of long Covid?" says medical oncologist Karik Sehgal. → https://is.gd/Lssm8q | 09:50 |
najari[m] | <LjL-Matrix "najari: not really, I think the "> thanks for the input | 10:03 |
Brainstorm | New from Politico: US health agency casts doubt on Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine data: Officials raised concerns just after AstraZeneca announced that its US study indicated the shot was safe and effective. → https://is.gd/5EoGHw | 10:10 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Imran Khan testing COVID-19 positive days after Sinopharm dose raises questions about efficacy of China's vaccine → https://is.gd/qbJfYL | 10:31 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Germany has extended its lockdown for three weeks, imposing an almost complete halt over the Easter holiday in response to a third wave of coronavirus infections. → https://is.gd/at1uih | 10:41 |
diofantoz | hmm what a shitty virus | 11:04 |
diofantoz | some reports on lower numbers in UK now? | 11:04 |
diofantoz | but the mutations are worrisome | 11:04 |
diofantoz | also people saying it's "might become a seasonal virus" | 11:05 |
diofantoz | as if they're comparing it to influenza | 11:05 |
diofantoz | is that really accurate? | 11:05 |
genera | maybe in UK. maybe in .at and .de there is something else https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1373972890132099076.html | 11:07 |
Brainstorm | New from ScienceNews: Health & Medicine: Here’s what makes 4 promising COVID-19 vaccines unique — and potentially useful → https://is.gd/YAvAXh | 11:12 |
diofantoz | i can't read german | 11:13 |
genera | its austrian. and triage is not even german ))) | 11:14 |
diofantoz | österreichean | 11:14 |
diofantoz | might as well go drink my immune system down to zero | 11:15 |
diofantoz | get infected and see what happens | 11:15 |
diofantoz | death before boredom | 11:16 |
diofantoz | joking of course ... but opening up society seems way off now | 11:17 |
diofantoz | i'm in the queue to get vaccinated with the wrong vaccine | 11:18 |
diofantoz | great | 11:18 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Name of vaccine Russia's Vladimir Putin to take will be a secret, says Kremlin → https://is.gd/ZPvzYu | 11:43 |
diofantoz | https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56483445 | 11:45 |
Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: (news): COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca: benefits still outweigh the risks despite possible link to rare blood clots with low blood platelets, PRAC, 18/03/2021 → https://is.gd/wjiI3L | 12:04 |
Brainstorm | New from Politico: Companies: Merkel warns EU ‘to be very careful’ with vaccine export bans → https://is.gd/NzDQq7 | 12:35 |
Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Brazil’s hospitals close to collapse as cases reach record high: Hospitals across Brazil are on the brink of collapse as the country faces the worst chapter of its pandemic yet.Out of the country’s 26 states, 24 have 80% or more of their covid-19 intensive care... → https://is.gd/oxaE4b | 12:55 |
Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: Health and social care workers need, want, and deserve reusable FFP3 respirators: Zhang and colleagues argue that single use personal protective equipment (PPE) is crucial for infection control in healthcare settings,1 but reusable options are better for the environment and... → https://is.gd/7ytFi5 | 13:27 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Vaccine-induced antibodies still potent against more contagious SARS-CoV-2 variant: The variant of the SARS-CoV-2 virus known as B.1.1.7 is still susceptible to antibodies induced after COVID-19 infection or immunization with a currently available vaccine, according to Emory University scientists. → https://is.gd/UUSUdz | 13:38 |
Brainstorm | New from NIH Director's blog: Predicting ‘Long COVID Syndrome’ with Help of a Smartphone App: As devastating as this pandemic has been, it’s truly inspiring to see the many innovative ways in which researchers around the world have enlisted the help of everyday citizens to beat COVID-19. An intriguing example is the COVID Symptom Study's [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/DShTGy | 14:10 |
Brainstorm | Updates for India: +87666 cases (now 11.7 million), +410 deaths (now 160111) since 2 days ago — Maharashtra, India: +55180 cases (now 2.5 million), +157 deaths (now 53457) since 2 days ago — Ukraine: +19125 cases (now 1.6 million), +328 deaths (now 30888) since 2 days ago — Jordan: +18058 cases (now 544724), +197 deaths (now 5985) since 2 days ago | 14:16 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: AstraZeneca may have used ‘outdated’ info about its Covid-19 shot; Democrats eye drug-pricing measures → https://is.gd/4RW8f9 | 14:20 |
Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna, COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine (nucleoside modified), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 06/01/2021, Revision: 1, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/ApJcx9 | 14:42 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: U.S. health officials raise flags about AstraZeneca's COVID vaccine trial data: U.S. health officials called the results of AstraZeneca's coronavirus vaccine trial into question early Tuesday, saying the company may have used outdated data that could have changed its conclusion about the efficacy of the vaccine. → https://is.gd/BxQiP8 | 15:15 |
Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Authorities raise red flags about AstraZeneca’s vaccine press release → https://is.gd/3Qxhgt | 15:26 |
Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Banksy painting raises £14.4m for NHS charities → https://is.gd/hBWDtv | 15:36 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: China approves inhaled CanSino vaccine for clinical trials: China's drug authority has approved for clinical trials an inhaled COVID-19 vaccine co-developed by domestic firm CanSino Biologics, the company said in a filing on Tuesday. → https://is.gd/lyTrYD | 15:47 |
Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: General: COVID-19: latest updates → https://is.gd/ejWHzQ | 16:08 |
Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Policy: Dark web bursting with COVID-19 vaccines, vaccine passports → https://is.gd/J2mUpG | 16:19 |
Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Art and Culture: One Good Thing: An artist preserves Wuhan’s COVID memories → https://is.gd/IX2z6b | 16:30 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Pfizer vaccine less effective against South African variant, study finds: Ben-Gurion University of the Negev (BGU) researchers have found that the Pfizer Coronavirus vaccine is moderately less effective against the South African variant, but still neutralizes the British variant and the original SARS-CoV-2 strain. → https://is.gd/SXin7T | 16:41 |
de-facto | who would have thought that? | 16:46 |
de-facto | .title | 16:47 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From is.gd: Pfizer vaccine less effective against South African variant, study finds | 16:47 |
de-facto | https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1931312821001360 | 16:47 |
de-facto | meeh | 16:47 |
de-facto | .title | 16:47 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.sciencedirect.com: SARS CoV-2 spike variants exhibit differential infectivity and neutralization resistance to convalescent or post-vaccination sera - ScienceDirect | 16:47 |
bin_bash | well that's poop. i guess ill need a booster | 16:47 |
de-facto | .title https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03398-2 | 16:50 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.nature.com: Antibody Resistance of SARS-CoV-2 Variants B.1.351 and B.1.1.7 | Nature | 16:50 |
de-facto | stolen from that paper | 16:51 |
de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/5awmD9E https://i.imgur.com/8co1IoL.jpg "SARS-CoV-2 VoC B.1.1.7 and B.1.351 neutralization evasion" | 16:51 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: SARS-CoV-2 VoC B.1.1.7 and B.1.351 neutralization evasion - Album on Imgur | 16:51 |
Brainstorm | New from WebMD: U.S. Pedestrian Deaths Rose in 2020, Even Though Driving Declined: Despite the fact that Americans have been driving less during the pandemic, pedestrian deaths per mile in the United States spiked 20% in the first half of 2020, new research shows. → https://is.gd/Fvf0ES | 16:51 |
de-facto | yep poop indeed | 16:59 |
de-facto | we need updates for all the vaccines (as i already said when the first AZD-1222 results from SA became available) | 16:59 |
de-facto | Very interesting their page 29 (C) showing the relative infecctivity fo the variants | 17:00 |
de-facto | all the ones containing N501Y seem to have a ~10-fold increase and even can be combines with the evasive bad boys (e.g. E484K and K417N) | 17:02 |
de-facto | hence N501Y+E484K+K417N probably is not only much more reproductive (contagious), it probably also is more severe and can partly circumvent antibodies against D614G | 17:03 |
de-facto | that would be 20H/501Y.V2 aka B.1.351 CoV-VoC (the South African Mutant) | 17:06 |
de-facto | hence i guess if its roughly as infectious as B.1.1.7 (UK Mutant) we wont get rid of it simply by strict NPIs aimed at containing B.1.1.7 | 17:07 |
de-facto | yet we wont have strict containment in Germany anyhow hence all irrelevant, it will explode into our faces, vaccinated or not | 17:08 |
de-facto | great. | 17:08 |
de-facto | good that we allow traveling, so we always will be up-to-date with the newest globally circulating Mutants | 17:10 |
rpifan | well honestly de-facto what would u havee instead | 17:13 |
diofantoz | close down the flights | 17:14 |
diofantoz | for personal travels | 17:15 |
diofantoz | for starters | 17:15 |
rpifan | you cant really do that | 17:15 |
rpifan | also you realize we have buses trains and cars | 17:15 |
diofantoz | yea close them down too | 17:15 |
rpifan | and those are rarely if ever controled | 17:15 |
rpifan | ppl wont have that | 17:16 |
rpifan | honestly there is one thing they could do | 17:16 |
rpifan | and should do | 17:16 |
rpifan | and if they did we'd see a huge reduction | 17:16 |
rpifan | and thats force every single person that possible can work from home, to do so | 17:16 |
rpifan | but they simply wont | 17:16 |
diofantoz | ppl are idiots | 17:17 |
diofantoz | can't give them any liberty | 17:17 |
diofantoz | they can't handle it | 17:17 |
rpifan | well ppl in germany are addicted to going into an office | 17:18 |
diofantoz | they can have liberty in a normal period | 17:18 |
rpifan | i dont get it | 17:18 |
diofantoz | this is a serious situation | 17:18 |
rpifan | ppl acutally wanan go to work and sit in an office with a bunch of ppl | 17:18 |
bildramer | this could have worked if everyone did it for two weeks or so last year | 17:18 |
rpifan | i dont wnana be in an office ever worse now | 17:18 |
bildramer | instead there's incompetence at all levels | 17:18 |
bildramer | the vaccine should also have been ready within a few weeks, not months. the "testing" period is bureaucrats delaying shit because that's the only thing they know how to do | 17:19 |
bildramer | marg bar bioethicists | 17:19 |
de-facto | i dont see a reason why we should have global passenger travel, people can have fun with video conferences nowadays instead, holiday traveling is completely unnecessar | 17:20 |
de-facto | i dont see a reason why we should have global passenger travel, people can have fun with video conferences nowadays instead, holiday traveling is completely unnecessary | 17:20 |
bildramer | here's a reason to have global passenger travel: your home is in germany, you are currently in romania | 17:20 |
de-facto | well how did you get there? | 17:20 |
bildramer | but yes, most people are very reckless | 17:20 |
bildramer | does it matter? everyone has their reasons. sometimes you are forced to by other people | 17:21 |
iz | rpifan: it's because there is an economic impact over all | 17:21 |
de-facto | and if its absolutely not avoidable strict controlled hotel isolation could allow entering under biosecurity measures | 17:21 |
rpifan | but why working from home in 80 percent of office jobs has no real impact | 17:22 |
rpifan | now of course if you work at the apotheke | 17:22 |
rpifan | you should be there | 17:22 |
rpifan | but ideally after a year we'd have online apothekes | 17:22 |
rpifan | or vending machines | 17:22 |
bildramer | everyone should work from home, and so on | 17:22 |
rpifan | that take prescriptiosn and dispnse it | 17:22 |
iz | the economy and population of cities have grown to sizes where the business from ppl going to work every day and getting lunch and coffee and whatever else is needed for the economy to support the amount of ppl it does | 17:22 |
rpifan | yes | 17:22 |
rpifan | but the lunch and coffee places are closed now anyway | 17:22 |
bildramer | but you have seen how much of a bitch fit normies throw when they can't go somewhere and talk at each other | 17:22 |
rpifan | im not against allowing traveling | 17:23 |
iz | yeah, but that just means things will try to shift back to that | 17:23 |
rpifan | we should all just be given a quick test | 17:23 |
de-facto | anyhow right now we are in big trouble in EU, not only because of B.1.1.7 but also because we imported B.1.351 from south africa and i BET it was due to some STUPID reason like holiday traveling and then carelessly seeding new clusters | 17:23 |
rpifan | before leaving or entering germany | 17:23 |
bildramer | it's because it's the only way they can really hide the fact that they do no work whatsoever | 17:23 |
rpifan | everyone at the airport or train staiton should arrive one hour earlier | 17:23 |
rpifan | and be tested | 17:23 |
Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @Dereklowe: I've updated yesterday's AZ vaccine data post with comment on the bizarre developments since then. The company's PR on this has either been (1) very stupid or (2) extremely stupid, and they're doing a great deal of harm by being this incompetent:https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/03/22/astrazenecas-us-vaccine-trial-data → https://is.gd/6ULNuy | 17:23 |
rpifan | bildramer, well i think ppl are just addicted to being at work instead of working on hteir problems | 17:23 |
rpifan | they focus on work as if that had more value | 17:23 |
rpifan | insead its just a diverse for their sick and sad lives | 17:23 |
bildramer | it's not addiction. that's a very charitable narrative | 17:24 |
bildramer | it's "hey bob, can you do this for me? thanks" | 17:24 |
rpifan | i inestad just lounge at home all day in fear and dread | 17:24 |
bildramer | two or three times per day, that adds up | 17:24 |
de-facto | tests dont cover guaranteeing to import Mutants at all, what if infection just happened in the plane or a day before departure? tests probably would be negative and passengers happily spreading without even knowing | 17:24 |
bildramer | it's what allows someone who doesn't know what a right click is to be hired for e.g. data entry or something | 17:24 |
rpifan | but de-facto its better then what we have now | 17:25 |
rpifan | its really really hard to ban all travel | 17:25 |
de-facto | aborting quarantine after 5 days with negative test also is stupid when MEDIAN incubation time is about 5.2 days meaning HALF of cases get symptoms earlier and the rest later, so after 5 days there is a significant probability that quicktests are still negative for already incubating infected individuals | 17:26 |
rpifan | and instead i dont think it would be effective | 17:26 |
bildramer | tell that to north korea | 17:26 |
rpifan | bildramer, tell that to the DDR | 17:26 |
bildramer | it's trivial to ban all travel. it's really hard to deal with the people revolting afterwards | 17:26 |
rpifan | ppl wont have it | 17:26 |
rpifan | its been 30 years since the end of the DDR | 17:26 |
rpifan | ppl accepted it for a month | 17:26 |
rpifan | last year | 17:26 |
rpifan | they wont take it again | 17:26 |
bildramer | damn, the decades pass so fast | 17:26 |
de-facto | we really dont need travel, why would people need to fly to SA just to make some holidays there? it should be completely banned and requiring STRICT controlled quarantine for 3 weeks, regardless of any test results | 17:27 |
de-facto | people should pay for that themselves then | 17:27 |
bildramer | de-facto: incompetence at all levels. expertise is worthless. trust in journalism is for fools. the sooner you accept this the better | 17:27 |
rpifan | what is annoying to me | 17:28 |
rpifan | is that its been a year | 17:28 |
rpifan | and germany still doesnt have a comprehensive plan | 17:28 |
rpifan | evne the UK has had a plan | 17:28 |
rpifan | level 1 means X level 2 means Y | 17:28 |
de-facto | yes hence we cant allow such scenarios, incompetent ppl at all levels as you said, no trust at all in their responsibility or not acting selfish or reckless etc | 17:28 |
rpifan | in germany they just make it up as they go along | 17:28 |
de-facto | people are astronomically stupid, thats my take away from this pandemic. | 17:28 |
rpifan | and they keep adding restrictions cuase they dont know what else to od | 17:28 |
rpifan | wear a mask in your car?! | 17:29 |
rpifan | why | 17:29 |
bildramer | signaling | 17:29 |
bildramer | it's a thing you, as an authoritarian, can enforce, so why not? | 17:29 |
de-facto | if there were not flights that could be booked no travelers could act stupid, just because no plane is there to take off for them | 17:29 |
bildramer | you can't actually enforce people not visiting each others' homes | 17:29 |
de-facto | why not? | 17:30 |
bildramer | but this is something visible and checkable and people will feel the pressure to conform | 17:30 |
bildramer | de-facto: not enough cops, not enough time, revolts, etc. | 17:30 |
rpifan | its poinless | 17:30 |
rpifan | idk if we should blame anyone at this point | 17:31 |
bildramer | you keep blaming hoi polloi for being retarded, it looks like to me, when you should be blaming the decisionmakers | 17:31 |
* de-facto needs to calm down. | 17:31 | |
rpifan | yea | 17:31 |
rpifan | i mean spain has managed to clean up their act better then germany this time around | 17:31 |
bildramer | greece did well the first wave | 17:31 |
bildramer | abnormally so | 17:31 |
bildramer | they had interesting requirements, send SMS and receive certain codes, or print out and sign some paperwork | 17:32 |
rpifan | well italy did well in the second wave | 17:32 |
bildramer | obviously you can always fake all of that, and you can just add any random reason you like | 17:32 |
bildramer | but it's a minor inconvenience, and _on the margin_ that is a massive help | 17:33 |
de-facto | ok i think we need to focus on how to get through the next months now, because hospitals will fill pretty quickly now due to B.1.1.7 in Germany | 17:33 |
bildramer | it makes two quick trips into one quick trip, it makes the borderline "eh, should I go out or not?" trips turn into "nah" | 17:33 |
bildramer | minor hassles are powerful | 17:33 |
de-facto | if daily new infectious double each 10 days or such, so will severe progressions yet if rates dropping out of hospital (either dear or alive) are less than rates of people requiring hospital beds (as it is currently the case) we are in BIG trouble soon when no free personal capacity is left to treat them properly | 17:34 |
bildramer | one thing nobody even _looked_ at is queueing theory | 17:34 |
bildramer | "how do we minimize queues in businesses? what does the gigantic scientific literature about this say? ok, then do that" | 17:35 |
de-facto | unfortunately occupied beds start to rise *steeply* already https://www.intensivregister.de/#/aktuelle-lage/zeitreihen | 17:35 |
bildramer | if one politician in the whole world did this I'll suck his cock | 17:35 |
de-facto | and those reflect the pandemic situation of new infections 2-3 weeks ago | 17:35 |
de-facto | reproduction number was (and still is) steeply rising since then | 17:35 |
rpifan | im sure some politican did | 17:36 |
rpifan | but remember the good politicians often have no power | 17:36 |
rpifan | evenif they are smart a senior dude says no | 17:36 |
rpifan | and thats the end of it | 17:36 |
de-facto | meaning we not only have a constant daily increase, but an accelerated daily increase of new infections | 17:36 |
bildramer | yeah sucks | 17:36 |
rpifan | i honestly think quick tests are the only way out right now | 17:36 |
rpifan | quick test everyone | 17:36 |
rpifan | all the time | 17:37 |
bildramer | someone should do a ballsy move, like "no vaccine, no hartz iv" | 17:37 |
rpifan | i saw that my apotheke has quick tests | 17:37 |
rpifan | but u need to go online | 17:37 |
rpifan | make an appoiintment etc | 17:37 |
rpifan | its a huge hassle | 17:37 |
bildramer | it won't work but at least it will signal someone is taking things seriously up there | 17:37 |
rpifan | they should have big tents everywhere especally in hte large cities | 17:37 |
de-facto | yes thats the only good thing about all this: now we are forced to deal with a very big problem in germany, hence maybe we find better ways of containment (i really really hope so, but it did not work for over a year now) | 17:37 |
rpifan | they shut down the testing site at the HBF | 17:37 |
rpifan | and idk why | 17:37 |
rpifan | it was random | 17:37 |
rpifan | de-facto, i dont see any better ways | 17:38 |
bildramer | entire books will be written about this pandemic and as usual, 99% of them will be wrong | 17:38 |
bildramer | nobody can capture the zeitgeist | 17:38 |
bildramer | the lies by journos will be taken as gospel | 17:39 |
de-facto | lockdown or shutdown or whatever they call this does not help us this time, government just decided against doing more restrictions hence we need alternative to what we need in *addition* to what we already have, e.g. we need at least 50% less transmission due to some more smart things we do in *addition* to what we currently are doing | 17:39 |
de-facto | idk maybe quicktests etc? | 17:39 |
rpifan | quicktests | 17:39 |
rpifan | and ban ppl from going to work in an office | 17:39 |
rpifan | but they just wont do it | 17:39 |
rpifan | and most offices wont shut down | 17:40 |
rpifan | i had a job interview earlier last week and today they sent me an email we liekd you | 17:40 |
rpifan | please come into the office on thursday for a whole day of interviewing and testing out | 17:40 |
rpifan | and i wasl ike wtf is wrong with you | 17:40 |
rpifan | why would yu do thata | 17:40 |
rpifan | man they just dont get it | 17:40 |
de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/Kzm1R0F https://i.imgur.com/tam7hDq.jpeg "COVID-19: Contagion via aerosol particles indoor environment comparison" source: https://blogs.tu-berlin.de/hri_sars-cov-2/2021/02/11/covid-19-ansteckung-ueber-aerosolpartikel-vergleichende-bewertung-von-innenraeumen-hinsichtlich-des-situationsbedingten-r-wertes/ | 17:41 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19: Contagion via aerosol particles indoor environment comparison - Album on Imgur | 17:41 |
de-facto | at our university one can get a gargle test once a week for free | 17:46 |
de-facto | i think its PCR, not sure though | 17:46 |
de-facto | they do it themselves in their lab, hence i guess its PCR | 17:47 |
rpifan | yea must be pcr | 17:48 |
rpifan | why dont we have faster pcr | 17:48 |
de-facto | they write it takes 8h, so same day if given at 10 to them | 17:48 |
de-facto | i guess i will try it in the next days, it makes sense to screen test | 17:49 |
de-facto | i think they have to collect enough samples for a run, e.g. a whole cassette full of samples or such | 17:50 |
de-facto | array, whatever they call it | 17:50 |
de-facto | the PCR itself probably does not take so long, id guess 60-90 min or such? idk though | 17:50 |
de-facto | yeah quick google search said 45min for ~40 cycles or such | 17:52 |
de-facto | hence ~1h might be about right then? | 17:52 |
de-facto | i never have done such a gargle test, but i want to participate in that weekly, just because i think because testing only makes sense if everyone participates, regardless of assumed risk of infection | 17:54 |
Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @EricTopol: RT by @Dereklowe: You have these data, @AstraZeneca. Please fill in this table → https://is.gd/Os7ioH | 17:56 |
de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/1DwTKNj https://i.imgur.com/zsmaOQN.jpg | 18:05 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19: Gargle test kit: NaCl solution, straw and sample tube - Album on Imgur | 18:05 |
de-facto | comes with a manual and a QR code for registering the sample number on a website | 18:06 |
Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Toronto doctor shares images of lungs to show how COVID-19 is 'brutalizing' young people → https://is.gd/u7LvCe | 18:07 |
LjL | so, what about this latest AstraZeneca "thing" where the NIAD and Fauci are going a bit "what the hell?!" | 18:13 |
LjL | i guess we can as usual go with the refrain "but regardless, the benefits of AZ outweigh the risks" | 18:13 |
LjL | but how many more blunders and stupid things does this company need to do before we lose trust in it | 18:13 |
de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/8SleZQd https://i.imgur.com/isobOjz.jpg | 18:14 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19: Gargle test kit: Manual in German - Album on Imgur | 18:14 |
de-facto | darsie, ^^ probably derived from Austria gargle testing, are there differences in the procedure? | 18:16 |
darsie | de-facto: We had 2 h no eating. 30 min no drinking, with exceptions like water. no washing. No 5. No 6. We spit directly in the test tube, no bottle. We didn't normally wash the test tube. | 18:22 |
darsie | We gargled in the garden, balcony or open window. | 18:22 |
darsie | Unless it was the only person living there. | 18:23 |
de-facto | interesting | 18:25 |
Brainstorm | New from StatNews: The saga of mishaps and miscommunications overshadowing AstraZeneca’s Covid vaccine: The NIH's pushback on AstraZeneca's data is the latest in a seemingly endless saga of missteps and misfortunes surrounding its Covid-19 vaccine. → https://is.gd/xLctbr | 18:28 |
de-facto | so longer accumulating of potential virions on the mucus, but no coughing, pulling up nose or spitting without gargling | 18:28 |
de-facto | indeed they dont write anything about possible aerosol production by doing that procedure, e.g. on open window or such | 18:29 |
de-facto | i bet they instruct to mix sample fluid in the original NaCl solution bottle because the sampling tube is so tiny | 18:30 |
de-facto | its like ODxH = 7x50mm or such | 18:31 |
de-facto | so spitting into that with just the straw probably would be messy, hence i guess they use the bottle with drip attachment to fill it into the sample tube | 18:33 |
de-facto | also maybe the reduced time ahead is related to them expecting the samples to be given to them at 10 in the morning... | 18:37 |
de-facto | actually i wonder how much of a difference it makes | 18:38 |
de-facto | maybe best time would be directly after sleeping and not having eaten anything yet anyhow | 18:39 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 vaccination hesitancy remains unchanged: Daily national surveys by Carnegie Mellon University show that while COVID-19 vaccine uptake has increased, the proportion of vaccine-hesitant adults has remained unchanged. The concerns about a side effect remain high, especially among females, Black adults and those with an [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/dowcnC | 18:39 |
de-facto | actually thinking about it coughing will produce a LOT of aerosols, so they REALLY should warn about that | 18:48 |
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de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.08.20209106v5.full-text "During breathing through the nose about 25 particles/s was emitted and during coughing about 13,700 particles/cough." | 18:53 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: Predicted Infection Risk for Aerosol Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 | medRxiv | 18:53 |
de-facto | so ~550-times as much aerosol produced for one cough than breathing 1 second through the nose | 18:55 |
de-facto | iirc i read somewhere else that about 50 particles/s would be produced for breathing through the mouth | 18:58 |
Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: SARS-CoV-2 viral-specific antibody response profiles vary with age: (HealthDay)—Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) viral-specific antibody response profiles are distinct in different age groups, according to a study published online March 22 in JAMA Network Open. → https://is.gd/keFbvC | 19:00 |
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de-facto | interesting, i guess it strongly depends on the machine in use | 20:17 |
de-facto | maybe i can call then and ask? :D | 20:18 |
mualaf[m] | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9389921/Ban-leaving-UK-amid-new-coronavirus-laws-force-week.html | 21:08 |
de-facto | finally | 21:10 |
de-facto | this is a very smart move especially with UK progressing fast with vaccinations and bringing down incidence with NPIs | 21:11 |
de-facto | well done, they are on a promising path | 21:12 |
Arsanerit | They're telling us "stay home" but they're also telling us "go out into nature", which one is it :-/ | 21:12 |
Arsanerit | Is it a bad idea to rent a car in order to drive to the hills and make day hikes there? | 21:12 |
mualaf[m] | dictatorship | 21:12 |
pwr22 | Yeah about time | 21:13 |
pwr22 | Finally using the advantage of BEING A FUCKING ISLAND | 21:13 |
pwr22 | That has apparently chosen it wants to isolate itself in every way but travel already | 21:14 |
de-facto | this will turn out ot be very good for UK, because they cant afford importing the SA variant and having vaccinations becoming ineffective | 21:15 |
Arsanerit | Why don't UK and Ireland do like Taiwan, Australia, and New Zealand? | 21:16 |
de-facto | i have to say recently UK government does surprise me with some quite smart decisions, it will be worth a lot economy wise | 21:16 |
pwr22 | As far as I'm aware we already have the SA variant spreading in the population? | 21:16 |
Arsanerit | South Korea is also de facto an island. | 21:16 |
de-facto | in Germany we have about 1% SA variant and some anecdotal cases of Brazil mutant | 21:17 |
de-facto | but i expect a lot more of those VoCs will appear now when the pathogen is allowed to circulate in a partly immune population | 21:18 |
Arsanerit | What's the point of closing business and industry for one extra day? | 21:18 |
pwr22 | <Arsanerit "Why don't UK and Ireland do like"> I've wondered that the whole time. Because we wanted to pretend that the best case scenario was likely and were wrong at every turn | 21:18 |
de-facto | hence it makes sense to do it like Israel and now UK, close import of now VoCs, bring down incidence via NPIs and vaccinate with the highest rate possible | 21:18 |
de-facto | this is the only sane way imho | 21:18 |
pwr22 | de-facto: so far the UK has totally failed to contain any variants and I don't think they are even trying to trace anymore really - they fired all the track and trace workers | 21:19 |
de-facto | well but incidence goes down afaik | 21:19 |
pwr22 | So this is probably too late for the current vaccines but maybe if we keep it going into winter and get gen2 vaccines then it might save us from the inevitable gen3 variants? | 21:19 |
Arsanerit | Does UK still have a strict stay-at-home order? | 21:21 |
pwr22 | No | 21:22 |
pwr22 | Everyone seems to be going out and stuff now | 21:22 |
pwr22 | in theory there are restrictions (you can meet 1 other person outdoors only) but in practice people are doing whatever | 21:22 |
pwr22 | And schools are in full swing | 21:22 |
de-facto | .title https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.03.21252856v1 | 21:24 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From www.medrxiv.org: REACT-1 round 9 final report: Continued but slowing decline of prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 during national lockdown in England in February 2021 | medRxiv | 21:24 |
de-facto | well the decline in prevalence seems to slow down but still does not increase like in the rest of EU | 21:25 |
de-facto | and heh UK is the only country with a representative random sampling study like REACT1 | 21:26 |
de-facto | imperial college of london is awesome | 21:26 |
bloody_noob259[m | @de-facto are we still only sequencing like 5% in germany? | 21:27 |
de-facto | hmm good question | 21:29 |
bloody_noob259[m | I think rki once named that figure some weeks ago | 21:30 |
de-facto | https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/DESH/DESH.html | 21:31 |
de-facto | https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/DESH/Bericht_VOC_2021-03-17.pdf?__blob=publicationFile | 21:32 |
de-facto | in German language | 21:32 |
Arsanerit | Should we stay in or is it OK to rent a car and drive to the hills and go hiking? | 21:32 |
de-facto | people are the source for infections, if you rent a car desinfect it properly and go with just your own household where you dont have any contact to other people, how could transmission happen | 21:35 |
de-facto | yet if you go to crowded places with queues and shared toilets etc transmission could happen even outdoors in proximity (via droplets) and of course indoors via aerosol | 21:36 |
bloody_noob259[m | Thanks for the link de-facto | 21:37 |
de-facto | i would say if you can guarantee to stay away from other people outside your social bubble it would be ok, but not everyone behaves sane enough, hence i can understand if gatherings are not permitted in general | 21:37 |
de-facto | .title https://imgur.com/a/oCgxhfY https://i.imgur.com/hV1F4zB.png src: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/DESH/Bericht_VOC_2021-03-17.pdf?__blob=publicationFile | 21:44 |
Brainstorm | de-facto: From imgur.com: COVID-19: Variants of SARS-CoV-2 in Germany - Album on Imgur | 21:44 |
de-facto | Pangolin notation and representative from swabs taken | 21:45 |
de-facto | clearly B.1.1.7 dominates everything | 21:46 |
de-facto | (the big red area growing from above) | 21:46 |
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