libera/##covid-19/ Saturday, 2021-04-17

BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India Covid: Thousands gather for dung-throwing festival as cases top 200k in a day → https://is.gd/ORUDGv00:05
de-facto.title https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/double-mutant-covid-19-variant-detected-in-uk-2021041600:35
Brainstormde-facto: From www.fnlondon.com: ‘Double mutant’ Covid-19 variant detected in UK - Financial News00:35
de-facto.title https://www.gov.uk/government/news/confirmed-cases-of-covid-19-variants-identified-in-uk00:36
Brainstormde-facto: From www.gov.uk: Confirmed cases of COVID-19 variants identified in UK - GOV.UK00:36
BrainstormNew from The Lancet (Online): [Correspondence] COVID-19: time for ethical reflection?: Kayvan Bozorgmehr1 highlighted the need to bring ethical reflections into the debate about guidelines on managing the COVID-19 pandemic.1,2 Indeed, Bozorgmehr poses questions about the medical and moral pertinence of the public health policy implemented in Germany [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/unMKfR00:36
de-facto"The variant, first detected in India, includes a number of mutations including E484Q, L452R, and P681R. PHE has identified 77 cases of this variant in the UK and all appropriate public health interventions will be undertaken, including enhanced contact tracing."00:36
de-factoLOVELY.00:36
de-factohow nice for the VoCs that they STILL can travel globally and freely conveniently via low latency passenger airtravel.00:37
de-facto.title https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/15/covid-variant-first-detected-india-found-uk00:38
Brainstormde-facto: From www.theguardian.com: Covid variant first detected in India is found in the UK | Coronavirus | The Guardian00:38
de-factobtw the "double mutant" VoC that probably is responsible for ~60% of cases in Maharashtra/India case explosion in is called  B.1.61700:40
de-factoLjL did you know it already reached Europe now? see above articles about the successful import in UK00:41
LjLyay00:42
de-factohttps://outbreak.info/situation-reports?pango=B.1.61700:44
de-factoi really really dont understand why passenger airtravel is not completely illegal by now00:45
LjLi know00:46
LjLi see it's already in Germany too and not just the UK, grand00:48
LjLwhat's the deal with the mutants in Canada? the US is warning against travel in Canada now (as if Canada let Americans enter), and Ontario is out of control or something00:48
LjLbut i'm not sure what they have aside from just B.1.1.700:49
de-factolooking at the recent case explosion in India and the claim its at least 60% B.1.617 makes me wonder what properties those mutations E484Q, L452R, and P681R have00:51
LjLit makes me hope that it will be QUICKLY tested against existing vaccines00:51
de-factofor E484Q one might assume correlation of properties with the already known E484K in B.1.351 and P.100:51
LjLbecause i'm pretty sure it's going to be "the next big thing"00:51
de-factohence probably also has some evasive potential against current gen vaccines00:52
LjLif you see populations as "computing power" for the virus, India is just a huge one00:52
de-factonot sure about the other two, do they already know what L452R means for the virus?00:52
LjLdunno00:52
de-factoLjL, yes damn thats very true, india got a BIG population00:53
LjLa big population, with the virus not under control (unlike china), crammed living conditions, generally bad healthcare00:53
LjLi fear Brazil is going to sound good in comparison00:53
LjLand Brazil, while big, doesn't have as many people00:53
de-factoand yeah India probably just cant contain it in some areas, because people need to do their daily work in order to sustain their income, they cant afford to just stay indoors for a year etc00:54
LjLeven assuming "keep 2 meters from other people" is useful for anything (i doubt it), that's just something you physically can't do in some indian cities00:55
LjLalso, from what i've heard before, while private hospitals have been compelled by the government to treat COVID patients for free, many just refuse, and some states don't enforce this00:56
LjLand there isn't really any public healthcare00:56
LjLi guess the only good thing they have on their side is a big pharmaceutical industry00:56
de-factoi wonder how India could prevent cases from exploding before and what this VoC now changed, i.e. is it that much more reproductive to raise R over anything achievable with containment before so cases just go and explode exponentially with R~1.4 or such?00:57
LjLi've always seen India as a timebomb with COVID and so far i was just surprised at the fact it had stayed relatively "calm"00:58
de-factoyeah and india got a young population afaik00:58
LjLwhich is to say, i don't think they could have done much to contain it00:58
de-factoIndia got a median age of 28.7 years00:59
LjLman01:00
de-factoquite young in comparison to Germany 47.8 years or Italy 46.5 years01:00
de-factohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_median_age01:00
LjLItaly has already lost more than a year of life expectancy with COVID according to whatever i remember reading01:01
LjLbut then somewhere else it says that Europe roughly lost 10 years with the 1918 flu01:01
LjLi'm surprised Germany is older than Italy01:01
LjLbut it's pretty much the only country to be except Japan and some countries that don't really matter :P01:02
LjLnot that it's a badge of honor...01:02
LjLde-facto, prepare to get mad: "India is not on the red list so there is no requirement for hotel quarantine. Instead returning travellers are required to take two COVID tests and quarantine at home for 10 days." (UK)01:04
de-factohttps://covariants.org/variants/S.L452R01:05
de-factohttps://covariants.org/variants/S.P68101:05
de-factohttps://covariants.org/variants/S.E48401:05
de-factoyeah https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html01:07
de-facto10 days Quarantine for travelers from India, after 5 days a negative test can abort quarantine01:08
LjLit's not even listed as a "Virusvarianten-Gebieten"01:08
LjLclearly european bureaucracy is useless to stay on top of things01:08
de-factocombined with the fact that MEDIAN incubation time is ~5.2 days (half of cases less, other half more) its absolutely FUTILE to allow aborting quarantine after 5 days with a test01:09
de-factoprobably they even allow quicktest, as idiotic as they are01:09
de-factohence: FUCKING make airtravel COMPLETELY illegal. NOW!01:10
LjLi can't do it01:10
LjLyou can keep saying it forever, i still can't do it01:10
de-factoindustry is WAY too stupid to implement proper hygiene, as it seems government is too as they are nothing more than prostitutes to the lobbyists nowadays01:10
de-factowe will see variants spreading globally over and over again01:11
de-factobecause we still tolerate global traveling and we still cant coordinate a global strategy to address COVID01:12
de-factoeven Germany cant do it internally, government completely failed to contain it01:12
de-factobtw quarantine means people get told to "please stay at home and avoid contacts"01:15
de-factoits not even controlled in any way01:15
de-factoof course that leads to people not caring and do whatever they like01:16
de-factowho would notice if they quickly go to the supermarket? etc01:17
de-factoor travelers from Mallorca, they do a quicktest prior to entering the airplane and thats it01:17
LjLwell, Pfizer will be happy01:18
de-factoany cheapo rapid antigen test, not even certified or anything01:19
ChimerooThey're saying you need a third shot now, no?01:19
LjLChimeroo, yes, but that's not really big news despite many people seemingly being surprised by it01:20
LjLpretty sure i'm not surprised and de-facto is not surprised01:20
LjLwe'll need a yearly shot for the foreseeable rest of our lives01:20
LjLthe difference is between it being mainly a booster to immunity and perhaps to cover the odd variant01:20
LjLand it being a never-ending chase *after* new variants01:20
ChimerooI've heard that is difficult to get shots for many people since there shortages, and time conflicts because people work etc, specifically my friends from Washington01:20
ChimerooI'm not sure if that's a unique case though01:20
de-factowell if its for the rest of our lives remains to be seen, but when governments and people continue to act as ignorant and reckless as in the year one after the pandemic chances that we ever will control it are low indeed01:21
LjLtime conflicts because people work? seriously?01:22
LjLin the current situation, *that* is a concern?01:22
de-factohere in Germany i have absolutely no chance to get any vaccine until the fall or begin of the next winter or such01:22
de-factoand i am very angry about that01:23
Chimeroothe irony is that the guy is a streamer, and he works from home, so he complains his stream sch conflicts with giving the vaccine01:23
de-factothe vaccine will be any approved platform probably with a two year old spike protein signature by then01:24
de-factonot sure if its even effective for the variants that will be circulating by then01:24
LjLChimeroo, okay, well, since i share the same situation as de-facto, tell your friend to get fucked, with all my respect01:24
Chimeroolol01:24
de-factoits not that allowing global travel is none of my business, it directly affects the level of protection i can expect from the vaccine that may be offered to me one bright day in the future01:26
Chimeroodo you have a union?01:27
de-factosame goes for tolerating high incidence over extended periods of time, it basically means allowing for breeding new evasive mutations01:27
de-factohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumbh_Mela#COVID-1901:41
de-factohttps://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/covid-19-at-maha-kumbh-mela-top-seer-dies-niranjani-akhada-announces-exithighlights/articleshow/82095684.cms01:42
LjLi know, although i think that's probably too recent to be the cause of the spike01:43
de-factoyeah but it would not exactly reduce contacts would it?01:45
* LjL shrugs01:46
LjLtry convincing religious persons of things01:46
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Sputnik V: How Russia's COVID vaccine is dividing Europe → https://is.gd/E3ybBF01:47
de-factofrom the guardian article i linked above https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/15/covid-variant-first-detected-india-found-uk01:53
de-facto"Prof Paul Hunter, professor in medicine at the University of East Anglia, said the arrival of the India variant was potentially worrying."01:53
de-facto"“These two escape mutations working together could be a lot more problematic than the South African and Brazilian variants who have only got one escape mutation,” he said. “It might be even less controlled by vaccine than the Brazilian and South African variants.”"01:54
de-facto"However, more research is needed to explore the role of these mutations and the impact they might have."01:54
de-factohttps://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/138273389475622093401:56
de-facto"Prof. Christina Pagel"01:57
de-factoGuardian said she told01:58
de-facto"“We don’t know yet whether it can escape existing vaccines but it has several concerning mutations,” she told the Guardian. “It is ridiculous that India is not on the travel red list yet – or many other countries for that matter – when India is seeing 200,000 new cases every day at the moment.”"01:58
LjL:\01:59
LjLit really is ridiculous01:59
de-factohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxllewZvELE "Why are Covid cases in India soaring? - BBC Newsnight"02:02
de-factodamn. this is very bad.02:06
BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Vietnam calls for faster vaccine rollout before shots expire → https://is.gd/1lHp2b02:07
de-factohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR-o-a2xrow "One bed, two patients: India’s hospitals overwhelmed by rising Covid-19 infections"02:13
de-factoat least they have a 2 week lockdown in Maharashtra/India from 2021-04-14th it seems02:14
de-factobefore India was exporting vaccines, now they are urging for importing from any source possible02:16
LjLassuming they work02:17
de-factoyeah02:17
de-factonot only have we not nearly enough vaccine production capacity, also we have outdated signatures02:18
de-factomeanwhile in Brazil02:20
de-factohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtK9VnGVeHs "Why are so many babies dying of Covid-19 in Brazil? - BBC News"02:20
de-facto"Despite the overwhelming evidence that Covid-19 rarely kills young children, in Brazil 1,300 babies have died from the virus. "02:20
de-factohttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56696907 "Why are so many babies dying of Covid-19 in Brazil?"02:25
LjLdidn't the MIS "alarm bell" ring several months ago but then somehow got muted02:39
de-factoyes i think so02:40
de-factopeople dont like to hear bad news, hence they keep repeating "children are not affected" and "children are not transmitting it" bla bla02:41
LjLyeah, my pessimism has served me well the past year02:41
de-factounfortunately, meaning that wishful thinking is fatal in a pandemic02:41
de-factohere they were opening schools without mandatory masks for the children etc02:42
de-factoi know that first hand from friends, they refused to allow their children to participate in school until they at least started implementing some hygiene there02:42
de-factoafaik now they at least have to wear masks02:43
de-factoif testing ever will be made mandatory, we will see02:43
de-factoimho we need a MUCH more aggressive containment strategy, worldwide02:48
LjL<CoronaBot> /r/coronavirus: Stanford begins testing Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine on children as young as 2 (1001 votes)02:49
LjL<CoronaBot> https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-15/stanford-begins-testing-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-on-children-as-young-as-2 | https://redd.it/mrzy1h02:49
de-factothat is very good that they start to investigate that now, we need to also have some immunization strategy for children as they simple will not distance in schools etc02:51
de-facto"The trial will start by testing a 10-microgram dose of the vaccine, then progress to doses of 20 and 30 micrograms if it safe to do so, according to Pfizer. For comparison, people 16 and older receive two 30-microgram doses 21 days apart."02:52
de-facto"“The goal is really to find the right dose for little kids and make sure they tolerate the dose, don’t develop high fevers or any adverse events from these vaccines,” Maldonado said. “Once we get a good dose that seems to work well, we will then move into phases two and three.”"02:52
de-facto"The study will include 144 volunteers in phase one, and up to 4,500 in phases two and three, according to Pfizer."02:53
de-factohttps://www.latimes.com/science/story/2021-03-16/moderna-begins-testing-covid-19-vaccine-young-children02:54
de-facto"In the first stage of the trial, researchers will test various doses of vaccine to see which works best. Study participants between the ages of 2 and 11 will receive either 50 or 100 micrograms per dose, while those ages 6 months to just under 24 months will get 25, 50 or 100 micrograms per dose."02:55
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BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Europe vs America: C19 response: I’m totally lost on this subject. I have friends and family around various parts of the US (I’m American but live in Europe) who have shared with me how where they live, there hasn’t been any type of lockdown scenario since maybe late spring of 2020 or so. → https://is.gd/LFTzoC05:52
LjLwhat a moron05:55
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GregoryStatus social17:40
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LjLde-facto, ↑ British study out apparently, on some 20 patients, onlt 60% femae18:41
LjLfemale18:41
LjL"Among the 23 patients included in this study, the median age was 46 years (range, 21 to 77), with 16 patients (70%) younger than 50 years"18:43
LjLthree patients above 6018:43
LjLthe ones above 60 though, none of them had CVST18:45
LjLubLIX[m], ping18:45
LjLpretty long times between vaccination and hospital admission18:46
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): Saturday 17 April 2021 Update: submitted by /u/HippolasCage to r/CoronavirusUK → https://is.gd/tuWDg518:47
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AntonioGulino[m]Italia:  Ieri sono state somministrate 347.279 dosi di vaccino. Si tratta del nuovo record per un singolo giorno.19:36
AntonioGulino[m]https://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cronaca/2021/04/17/vaccini-record-di-347.279-dosi-ieri_906e71d9-5f22-4635-bbf3-b98d49bcd204.html19:36
LjLnot entirely sure why everyone seems to be getting AZ though20:17
LjLhttps://lab24.ilsole24ore.com/numeri-vaccini-italia-mondo/#20:18
LjLthe majority are getting Pfizer, who are this majority?20:18
LjLi thought healthcare operators and people 80+ were already pretty much all done20:18
LjLso who's getting all the Pfizer20:18
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BrainstormNew from NPR: Global COVID-19 Deaths Top 3 Million: The largest number of deaths have come in the United States, Brazil, Mexico, India and the United Kingdom. The global pandemic death toll reached 1 million in September 2020 and 2 million in January. → https://is.gd/gAyfSW21:10
ArsaneritModerna?  Jansen?  Curevac?21:26
LjL?21:31
Arsaneritnever mind21:32
LjLi don't know what you're asking but Moderna is not very available in Europe, Janssen is stopped as a precaution and has never been used here so far, and Curevac is still in trial21:36
diofantozah great, a double mutation variant21:38
diofantoz...21:38
ArsaneritWhen are we getting enough vaccines we can use in the European Union?21:41
de-factoLjL, interesting, so pretty much the same as Greinacher published before21:48
de-factoyet i still wonder about what causes that PF4 to occur21:51
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kreyrenhttps://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=NLBvglVMLEc23:24
kreyrenapparently today it's 3M+ dead due to covid23:24
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