| kreyren | is Jensen COVID-19 vaccine just 66% effective? | 00:10 |
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| * kreyren found https://youtu.be/K3odScka55A and believes to understand the trials more | 00:15 | |
| the-wes | holy crap. most positive comments section I've ever seen! | 00:26 |
| V464B0ND | hello | 00:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Comment] Rethinking vaccine hesitancy among minority groups: In countries such as the UK and the USA that are privileged to have adequate supplies of COVID-19 vaccines but are also plagued by histories of deep inequities and white supremacy, it was predictable that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccines would not be equally [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/96790X | 00:37 |
| finely[m] | Does anyone have more info on the European medicines agency's press conference where they spoke about clotting events associated with the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines? 30 events so far for those vaccines. | 01:28 |
| finely[m] | Really hope we don't find similar problems with the mRNA vaccines. | 01:28 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pfizer finds counterfeit COVID-19 vaccine doses in Poland and Mexico → https://is.gd/707Z8D | 01:39 |
| de-facto | keep in mind that those events have already had a name before any vaccine campaigns, hence already have been there. the real question is: does it happen more often in a group receiving a specific type of vaccine? | 02:06 |
| LjL | finely[m], no, i was only aware of them making a press release about J&J having a possible link to the same kind of blood clotting as AZ | 02:07 |
| LjL | they said stuff about the mRNA vaccines too? | 02:07 |
| ryouma | 2 questions 1) anything new such as estimates of what the next few months or year will look like wrt spikes and vaccine rollout stuff? 2) what does "new normal" mean? what does an intelligent user of the term (if any) mean specifically? | 02:08 |
| LjL | <insert generally pessimistic answer here> | 02:10 |
| ryouma | because of variants or other reasons | 02:12 |
| LjL | i think what the "new normal" will be is going to depend on whether we get any better at stopping travels as soon as we get even a *hint* of a dangerous variant being somewhere | 02:12 |
| LjL | right now, i think the outlook is that everything will seem to improve for a while, thanks to vaccine rollout, which isn't happening super-fast but is happening, but then either the SA variant or whatever's brewing in India will make things worse again | 02:12 |
| LjL | and we could have stopped at least the stuff from India if we had not allowed flight as soon as we realized there was an unexplained spike and some suspicious mutations | 02:13 |
| de-facto | .title https://osf.io/a9jdq/ | 02:13 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From osf.io: OSF | COVID-CVT-paper.pdf | 02:13 |
| LjL | we can't afford the luxury to study the mutations in detail to make 100% sure they're actually dangerous | 02:13 |
| LjL | by the time we get there, we already have too many cases | 02:13 |
| de-facto | "Cerebral venous thrombosis: a retrospective cohort study of 513,284 confirmed COVID-19 cases and a comparison with 489,871 people receiving a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine" | 02:13 |
| LjL | r after receiving BNT162b2 or mRNA | 02:15 |
| LjL | - | 02:15 |
| LjL | 1273 vaccine (4.1 per million people, 95% C | 02:15 |
| LjL | I 1.1 | 02:15 |
| LjL | – | 02:15 |
| LjL | 14.9, adjusted RR=6.36, P<.001) | 02:15 |
| LjL | ugh | 02:15 |
| LjL | i should use a client with formatting preview | 02:15 |
| LjL | anyway, that doesn't look toooo far from the incidence with AZ, and similar to the incidence with J&J? | 02:15 |
| ryouma | reboting | 02:16 |
| LjL | so uh, let's say the AZ "dissing" is politically motivated as is sometimes alleged | 02:17 |
| LjL | why was J&J immediately lumped in? | 02:17 |
| LjL | if mRNA vaccines carry similar risks? | 02:17 |
| de-facto | careful with the numbers LjL i am not sure that this is the proper conclusion | 02:20 |
| LjL | why? it also says "The risk of CVT following COVID-19 is also higher than the latest estimate from the European Medicines Agency for the incidence associated with ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine (5.0 per million people, 95% CI 4.3–5.8)." | 02:21 |
| LjL | that's pretty much the same number as the number they give for the mRNA vaccine, just with a narrower CI | 02:21 |
| de-facto | i am not sure yet, i just have found that paper, for example the data come from different surveillance systems i guess? | 02:26 |
| de-facto | its quite an interesting paper, lots of data in there | 02:28 |
| de-facto | also the cohorts they compare there, are they of similar age and risk structure? | 02:33 |
| de-facto | hmm | 02:33 |
| de-facto | "Although the magnitude of the risk cannot be quantified with confidence (see below), the risk after COVID-19 is approximately 8-10 times that reported for the vaccines, and about 100-fold increased compared to the population rate." | 02:42 |
| de-facto | "All the relative risks should be interpreted with caution. First, the magnitude of the COVID-19 risk versus the population baseline, or versus influenza, is not based on cohorts which were matched for age or other demographic factors. For the same reason, we cannot conclude that the mRNA vaccines studied here are associated with an increased risk of CVT; far larger samples are needed to address this question." | 02:43 |
| de-facto | "Second, we have no information about diagnostic accuracy or completeness, though this is likely to be less of an issue for CVT or PVT compared to many diagnoses since radiological confirmation is typically needed." | 02:43 |
| de-facto | "Third, the absence of key haematological laboratory data from many patients limits our ability to comment on whether the mechanism of CVT after COVID-19 is likely to be similar or different from that observed after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, especially regarding anti-platelet factor 4 (PF4) antibodies (Greinacher et al 2021; Schultz et al 2021)." | 02:44 |
| de-facto | "Finally, we cannot directly compare the risks of CVT associated with ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 with any of the other vaccines, or with COVID-19, since we are using data collected by the EMA monitoring system, not from the electronic health records network. (No patients in the network had received ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, reflecting the fact that the network is almost entirely US-based)." | 02:45 |
| de-facto | "In summary, COVID-19 is associated with a markedly increased incidence of CVT compared to the general population, patients with influenza, and people who have received BNT162b2 or mRNA-1273 vaccines. The risk with COVID-19 also appears greater than with ChAdOx1 nCoV-19, although as noted this conclusion is tentative." | 02:45 |
| de-facto | note: they make two separate statements one for mRNA vs COVID and another for ChAdOx1 vs COVID. | 02:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: China state media goes after WHO for investigating COVID lab leak theory: "extremely irresponsible" → https://is.gd/Q8D2jM | 03:01 |
| LjL | yes, China may have been extremely irresponsible | 03:26 |
| LjL | de-facto, they are basically saying they trust their network but they don't trust the EMA, as i read it | 03:27 |
| LjL | or if you prefer, they suspect the EMA may be underestimating cases with AZ | 03:27 |
| de-facto | "The rarity of CVT in all populations means that larger sample sizes are required to confirm the results, and complementary study designs are needed to aid interpretation." | 03:31 |
| finely[m] | <LjL "finely, no, i was only aware of "> In the first few minutes of this podcast. | 03:54 |
| finely[m] | <LjL "if mRNA vaccines carry similar r"> We don't know that yet. | 03:57 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Pfizer vaccine to require 3rd shot. Possibly annually. → https://is.gd/IoVYKf | 04:12 |
| LjL | finely[m], i know we "don't know" it, but i'm making an argumentation based on that paper. that paper's numbers back that argumentation | 04:33 |
| pigughs | so, whats this about mRNA and CVT? | 05:28 |
| LjL | all i know is what's in the paper | 05:35 |
| pigughs | CVT and PVT are strange terms, wonder how they determined those | 05:45 |
| LjL | they're the things that were mostly found in the unexpected AZ and J&J cases (CVST is a term you may find more often about those than CVT) | 05:57 |
| ryouma | i will have to decide when and which vaccine to do. studies are not done on my diseases with the vaccines and i have no experts to consult so it is tricky. but the disease woluld be worse than the vaccine. but new vaccines are coming online presumably. so it is tricky. but i will likely take rare normal-human reaction risks but have to minimize highly vulneralbe to reaction person risk. | 05:57 |
| ryouma | every time everybody says az i think arizona | 05:57 |
| LjL | so i guess they just looked at whether the mRNA vaccines had reports of the same things, and how many | 05:57 |
| ryouma | i have heard that the republicans are antivax now? is that true? also that 30pc will not get vaccinated? isn't htat around herd immunity level? as in, on the edge of being what is needed? | 06:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: 21-day quarantine for travellers from India will help Singapore detect more Covid-19 cases → https://is.gd/cJryEw | 06:15 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: A doctor explains: Why some are testing negative despite showing COVID-19 symptoms → https://is.gd/4rARzW | 06:36 |
| pigughs | seems like it was a retrospective study, but thrombus must have been found when not looking for them, but that is a large number to look at | 06:40 |
| pigughs | ryouma: I've more like 50% won't get vaccinated | 06:41 |
| pigughs | also the Marine Corps/military is 40-50% refusing | 06:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India posts daily rise of over 300,000 COVID-19 cases, record death toll → https://is.gd/kd8Sgj | 07:17 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: California's coronavirus case rate now the lowest in the continental U.S. (10054 votes) | https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-21/california-coronavirus-case-rate-among-nations-lowest | https://redd.it/mvmsg1 | 07:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Least vaccinated US counties have something in common: Trump voters → https://is.gd/ZZc7O0 | 07:38 |
| ryouma | the military is not able to order such things? they do send men into battle with low probability of survival. i am aware there are still major issues, gwi being notable. just asking. | 07:56 |
| ubLIX[m] | i saw it reported that while vaccinations for military personnel are normally mandatory, because these new vaccine have only emergency-use authorisation, vaccination has been made optional | 07:59 |
| ryouma | war readiness has been discussed in this context? | 08:03 |
| ryouma | has...* | 08:03 |
| ubLIX[m] | presumably | 08:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Federal inspectors fear more vaccines were exposed to contamination → https://is.gd/KBIGZc | 08:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Australia states investigate Covid-19 spread in quarantine hotels → https://is.gd/5nisrd | 08:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | April 22, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/qazOTm | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Low on beds, oxygen, India adds global high 314K virus cases: India reported a global record of more than 314,000 new infections Thursday as a grim coronavirus surge in the world's second-most populous country sends more and more sick people into a fragile health care system critically short of hospital beds and oxygen. → https://is.gd/AHICMQ | 09:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: WHO seeks next steps in Covid origins probe: After an international mission to China turned up more questions than answers about the pandemic origins, the WHO is evaluating how to move forward through a diplomatic quagmire to solve the mystery. → https://is.gd/EYsIli | 09:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Study probes COVID among vaccinated at US nursing home: An unvaccinated worker infected with a COVID variant sparked an outbreak at a US nursing home where nearly all the residents had been inoculated, said a study out on Wednesday. → https://is.gd/cSxGJg | 10:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: What do we know about airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2?: What does airborne transmission mean?Scientists distinguish between respiratory infectious diseases classed as “airborne”—which spread by aerosols suspended in the air—and infections that spread... → https://is.gd/DBR7Zu | 10:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Opinion: Needed for long Covid: a less authoritarian approach to understanding, treatment: Instead of pronouncements about patients' limited understanding of their own experiences, genuine humility is needed from clinicians and others about the deep uncertainty that defines the challenge of long Covid. → https://is.gd/YGWr7s | 10:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Seven days in medicine: 14-20 April: Covid-19Low rate of infections is seen in vaccinated people in USThe US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said there were about 5800 “breakthrough” infections of SARS-CoV-2 so far among the... → https://is.gd/0TcUJ5 | 11:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: New report from WHO on health spending calls on governments not to repeat past mistakes when rebuilding from COVID-19: A new report from the WHO Barcelona Office for Health Systems Financing has highlighted the need for governments to maintain a higher level of public spending on health for the wider benefit of society despite [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/f4dyPv | 12:08 |
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| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: COVID-19 vaccination: Here’s what is safe to do after the second dose → https://is.gd/UNtUK7 | 14:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Covid-19: India looks to import oxygen as cases surge, overwhelming hospitals: India’s government has announced that it needs to import 50 000 tonnes of medical oxygen as cases of covid-19 increase across the country and hospitals turn away patients in need of oxygen support or... → https://is.gd/bAB3a7 | 14:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from Ars Technica: Science: Contractor that ruined 15M doses of J&J vaccine hiked price of another by 800% → https://is.gd/de6A8f | 14:43 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Preliminary Findings of mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine Safety in Pregnant Persons (84 votes) | https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104983?query=featured_home | https://redd.it/mvz72d | 14:52 |
| Brainstorm | New from NIH Director's blog: Study Demonstrates Saliva Can Spread Novel Coronavirus: COVID-19 is primarily considered a respiratory illness that affects the lungs, upper airways, and nasal cavity. But COVID-19 can also affect other parts of the body, including the digestive system, blood vessels, and kidneys. Now, a new study has added something else: [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/HEx8WG | 15:04 |
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| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: Europe looks to sue AstraZeneca over Covid-19 vaccine shortfalls; FDA skewers Emergent vaccine facility → https://is.gd/isRkQS | 15:25 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for India: +2774839 cases (now 15.8 million), +16392 deaths (now 183961) since 9 days ago — United States: +852640 cases (now 32.2 million), +9158 deaths (now 575717) since 9 days ago — Brazil: +836471 cases (now 14.1 million), +36400 deaths (now 381687) since 9 days ago — Maharashtra, India: +798280 cases (now 4.0 million), +4883 deaths (now 61911) since 9 days ago | 15:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Food & Wine: ‘Treat this as an ambulance, please don’t misuse it’: Zomato launches priority delivery for COVID emergencies → https://is.gd/Fpku5w | 15:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ Open: Modelling the impact of the tier system on SARS-CoV-2 transmission in the UK between the first and second national lockdowns: Objective To measure the effects of the tier system on the COVID-19 pandemic in the UK between the first and second national lockdowns, before the emergence of the B.1.1.7 variant of concern. Design This is a [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/d8ZJUp | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from Derek Lowe: @Dereklowe: Another recommendation for the Novavax article at Endpoints. Required vaccine reading:https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/04/22/a-look-at-novavax → https://is.gd/cWSWTX | 17:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: 'Aerosolized Droplets' Hang in the Air After Toilet Flush: If you're in a public restroom, you may not want to hang around too long, because lots of airborne pathogens are hanging around, too. → https://is.gd/L2B2ox | 17:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): One year into COVID-19 pandemic, what do we have to look forward to? → https://is.gd/BkfUwk | 17:24 |
| pwr22 | LjL: My gut feel is it's gonna turn out that all the vaccines cause more clots than not having one but also way less than covid itself does | 17:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Covid vaccine: 7 things to remember if you are getting the jab → https://is.gd/jHYRfH | 18:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Thief Steals bag with 1,700 Doses Of Vaccine In Haryana. After realizing it has vaccines, returns it with note saying “Sorry didn’t know” → https://is.gd/BXx39Q | 18:29 |
| kish` | Hello. In January officials in Germany claimed the AZ vaccine was only 8% effective in people over 65. | 18:31 |
| kish` | Does anybody have recollections or data indicating other figures in that age group? | 18:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: U.S. Issues More Than 115 'Do Not Travel' Advisories, Citing Risks From COVID-19: Just a week ago, only 33 countries were on the U.S. Do Not Travel list. New additions include Canada, Mexico, Germany, the U.K., and dozens of other countries. → https://is.gd/pyqpIz | 18:39 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +16046 cases (now 3.9 million), +360 deaths (now 118357) since 3 hours ago | 18:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Among COVID-19 survivors, an increased risk of death, serious illness: As the COVID-19 pandemic has progressed, it has become clear that many survivors—even those who had mild cases—continue to manage a variety of health problems long after the initial infection should have resolved. In what is believed to be the largest [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/6Cn9Bo | 19:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Recovered but RT-PCR-positive individuals unlikely to transmit SARS-CoV-2: (HealthDay)—Individuals who have clinically recovered from severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection and continue to test positive for viral RNA after completing the recommended isolation period do not appear to be [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Z2x2vV | 19:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: ‘There are no alternatives’: As Pfizer discontinues an old glaucoma drug, a small group of patients struggles to cope → https://is.gd/KObf5P | 19:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: 'Breakthrough' COVID infections after vaccination very rare: study: (HealthDay)—COVID-19 "breakthrough" infections, where someone who's been fully vaccinated becomes infected nonetheless, are exceedingly rare, a new study suggests. → https://is.gd/jvXEsr | 19:42 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Shingles is not caused by COVID-19 vaccines. Here's the science: Physicians in Israel recently reported that six women with autoimmune disorders developed the painful rash known as shingles 3 to 14 days after they received a first or second dose of Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine. → https://is.gd/Xzns7Y | 19:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +10814 cases (now 3.5 million), +132 deaths (now 77496) since 4 hours ago — France: +9615 cases (now 5.4 million), +137 deaths (now 102028) since 4 hours ago | 20:18 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Effectiveness of the BNT162b2 vaccine in preventing COVID-19 in the working age population - first results from a cohort study in Southern Sweden (80 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21254636v1 | https://redd.it/mw1zha | 20:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: How Real-World Data Can Help Us Better Prepare for the Next Pandemic: Rapid testing is important, but there’s a wealth of other information that could have offered us quicker insight into the spread of COVID -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/ywlk1y | 21:05 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Timor-Leste: +1 deaths (now 3) since 5 hours ago — Switzerland: +4 deaths (now 10554) since 5 hours ago | 21:08 |
| Arsanerit | 3 deaths in Timor-Leste. I wonder about their reporting accuracy. | 21:10 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Kujawsko-Pomorskie, Poland: +50 deaths (now 50) since 13 days ago — Warminsko-Mazurskie, Poland: +2 deaths (now 2) since 13 days ago | 21:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: Vaccine Passports: Israel, Bahrain Reach Landmark Agreement: "This is the most effective way to enable movement of people between countries," an Israeli official says. Israel says this is the world's first bilateral agreement on COVID-19 vaccine passports. → https://is.gd/ITKJzC | 21:37 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Efficacy of a nasal spray containing Iota-Carrageenan in the prophylaxis of COVID19 in hospital personnel dedicated to patients care with COVID-19 disease (84 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.13.21255409v1.full.pdf | https://redd.it/mw3zgn | 21:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Covid variant detected at Texas A&M lab shows signs of antibody resistance and more severe illness in young people → https://is.gd/HOCDSa | 21:59 |
| LjL | wow | 22:04 |
| LjL | r/COVID19 mods are really a bunch of assholes | 22:04 |
| LjL | de-facto, do you see above my "favorite" study about iota-carrageenan popped up? | 22:04 |
| Arsanerit | what makes you say that? | 22:04 |
| LjL | Arsanerit, what happened after this subthread | 22:05 |
| LjL | https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/mw3zgn/efficacy_of_a_nasal_spray_containing/gvh9n21/ | 22:05 |
| LjL | i simply replied "I don't know about Argentina, but I bought it without prescription in the EU (Italy). I presume it's OTC in many places, gives its nature." | 22:06 |
| LjL | and BAM, "You have been permanently banned from participating in r/COVID19. You can still view and subscribe to r/COVID19, but you won't be able to post or comment." | 22:06 |
| LjL | you are not supposed to post personal anecdotes or something like that, but jesus, it was just a note that there are countries where it's OTC | 22:06 |
| Arsanerit | LjL: That's a harsh response by a moderator. | 22:07 |
| LjL | i had been banned temporarily before | 22:07 |
| LjL | for something perhaps a bit more rule-breaking, as in got into an argument, iirc | 22:07 |
| LjL | but still, i'd say "harsh response" is an understatement for a permanent ban on THAT | 22:08 |
| LjL | btw: the sub doesn't disclose who the moderators *are*, a setting i haven't encountered often on reddit | 22:08 |
| oxek | well that's reddit for you | 22:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Indian COVID variant detected in Belgium: health official: The COVID-19 variant contributing to a surge in coronavirus cases in India has been detected in Belgium in a group of Indian students who arrived from Paris, Belgian authorities said Thursday. → https://is.gd/LM2tlg | 22:09 |
| LjL | "No anecdotal discussion or personal speculation. Claims made in r/COVID19 should be factual and possible to substantiate. Anecdotes are not considered sources in this subreddit and are strictly against the rules. Do not include any stories/information about yourself, your friends, your family, your pets, things your doctor told you, things you overheard on the bus, etc. All numbers/statistical data in comments must be appropriately cited." | 22:10 |
| LjL | oxek, no, that's not reddit for me | 22:10 |
| LjL | it's a subreddit where mods have something unpleasant up their arse | 22:11 |
| LjL | i have enough amount of experience with reddit to say this is not the norm | 22:11 |
| Arsanerit | I don't find most of reddit a friendly place. | 22:11 |
| LjL | it's often not, but "unfriendly" and "getting banned for the silliest of reasons" are not one and the same | 22:12 |
| Arsanerit | maybe someone had a long day | 22:13 |
| oxek | I find subreddits that are reasonable in their mod policies getting clossed down by reddit admins for not complying with reddit policies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 22:13 |
| oxek | so yeah, it definitely is something to do with reddit as a whole | 22:13 |
| Arsanerit | I find that there is a lot of misogyny and racism on reddit. | 22:14 |
| Arsanerit | It depends on the subreddit, though. | 22:14 |
| oxek | it is a mostly male, technical space | 22:17 |
| oxek | white as well | 22:17 |
| Arsanerit | Yes. Perhaps even more so than Wikipedia. | 22:21 |
| Arsanerit | Years ago I fixed something on the Dutch Wikipedia, which said a certain railway line was closed down, when there were in reality frequent trains. Within minutes I was accused of vandalism. Short of a photo, it wasn't easy to show sources it wasn't closed down, but I didn't like the assumption of bad faith. | 22:22 |
| oxek | photo wouldn't help, because that would be original research | 22:27 |
| Arsanerit | So would digging up a timetable… | 22:34 |
| Arsanerit | Some editor had forgotten "don't bite the newbies", "assume good faith", "ignore all rules", "practicality beats purity". I've stayed, but I can imagine some people leave and don't return with such a welcome. | 22:35 |
| Arsanerit | And this was a small edit, but some people spend big effort writig a long article on some biography of an semi-obscure 19th century poet, only to receive within minutes a "proposed for deletion" notice. | 22:35 |
| oxek | don't know what to think about the COVID-19 wiki page being semi-protected | 22:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: DECRETO-LEGGE 22 aprile 2021, n.52: Misure urgenti per la graduale ripresa delle attivita' economiche esociali nel rispetto delle esigenze di contenimento della diffusionedell'epidemia da COVID-19. (21G00064) → https://is.gd/JL8jVf | 22:51 |
| LjL | our government is risking to break up again over whether the curfew should continue starting at 22:00, or moved to 23:00 -.- | 23:48 |
| LjL | all the important things | 23:48 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Switzerland: +5 deaths (now 10555) since 8 hours ago | 23:50 |
| derpadmin | stop whining LjL, we are at 20:00 here :) | 23:55 |
| LjL | who's whining about that? i'd be happier with a curfew at 20:00 | 23:56 |
| derpadmin | :D | 23:56 |
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