| whytek | Wikipedia can burn in fire as far as I am concerned. | 00:06 |
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| oxek | yeah I was surprised about wikipedia after I read that "wiki has cancer" thing | 00:07 |
| whytek | The concept of "collective"-ly edited i.e. Lowest Common Denominator knowledge is no sooo bad in itself. | 00:08 |
| whytek | but wikipedia presents itself as something it most certain is not. | 00:08 |
| oxek | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has_Cancer | 00:08 |
| oxek | the numbers are crazy | 00:08 |
| de-facto | "curfew" at 22:00 - 05:00 in Germany, with the exception that people are allowed to "go for a walk" till 24:00, erm. | 00:12 |
| de-facto | Question: how many contacts are affected by that? | 00:12 |
| whytek | de-facto, crazy.. | 00:12 |
| whytek | I'm so surprised things have got so bad. | 00:13 |
| de-facto | SubQuestion: what to expect from such a "curfew"? maybe 0.00001% contact reduction for those that do not sleep during that time? | 00:13 |
| whytek | I've actually been taking a well needed break from even thinking about covid19 | 00:13 |
| whytek | de-facto, I think it's more bullshit measures from politicians who are still pretty clueless after more than a year - which is not necessarily their fault. | 00:14 |
| whytek | as their advisors are mostly also clueless | 00:14 |
| whytek | and everybody is groping in the dark and nobody can admit that the main strategy is failing/failed. | 00:15 |
| de-facto | curfew works, i have seen it working here at my place some time ago, but it was from 20:00 if i remember correctly | 00:15 |
| whytek | "works" ? | 00:15 |
| whytek | right... | 00:15 |
| de-facto | it has to affect a significant portion of people, otherwise contact reduction is not enough | 00:15 |
| whytek | EVERYTHING that's been done so far is "working" so well | 00:16 |
| de-facto | "works" as in incidence went down when curfew was introduced | 00:16 |
| whytek | ok.. I could suggest to be wary of short term figures though... | 00:16 |
| de-facto | but now? politicians tolerate their efforts for containment to be weakened with stupid compromises until they almost have no impact anymore | 00:16 |
| LjL | de-facto, i don't know about Germany, but "after 22:00" is when most of the nightlife happens in Italy | 00:17 |
| whytek | I guess in some parts of Germany there's concern to stop people from späti-park drinking etc | 00:17 |
| whytek | in the wee hours. | 00:17 |
| de-facto | this is the worst of all scenarios, restrictions that are in place but dont work | 00:17 |
| LjL | there is also restaurant-life, but a compromise to allow for that to some extent is probably the whole reason why the curfew was made at 22 and not at 20 or so | 00:17 |
| de-facto | LjL, ok maybe on weekends, but during the week "normal" people would sleep at those times (24->5) because they have to work next day | 00:18 |
| LjL | de-facto, let's keep it 22->5 imo, "going for a walk" means you're alone, zero contacts... if police can stop and fine you if you're "going for a walk" with 10 other people, then i think the time to be considered is 22, not 24 | 00:19 |
| de-facto | my point being: non-targeted containment measures ONLY work properly if they affect significant part of people | 00:19 |
| LjL | i don't know which people count as normal but there were plenty of people drinking out every day after 22 in italy, not just friday and saturday, although obviously more of them on those days | 00:19 |
| de-facto | LjL, why would i not say i am for a walk when i go home from visiting friends or when i go for a party or such? | 00:20 |
| LjL | well if you argue it's not enough i have nothing to object, but i think it affects a significant amount of contacts | 00:20 |
| de-facto | basically they cant control it, hence its 24->5 instead if 22->5 | 00:20 |
| LjL | if you're walking home *alone* then you're alone | 00:20 |
| de-facto | well curfew should ensure i would not have the time to spend somewhere (with friends, party, game, whatever) and walk home, alone or not | 00:21 |
| de-facto | outdoors does not matter anyhow, its more about the origin destination thing | 00:21 |
| de-facto | but then people begin to sleep at friends etc which is even much worse | 00:21 |
| LjL | that's kind of what i was thinking now | 00:22 |
| LjL | but i don't even want to dissect this into details, we'll have much worse problems with the variants coming from india, all the political arguments about every single reopening or reclosing seems so futile | 00:22 |
| de-facto | actually its exactly what happens, people meet, have fun, see "oh damn now its too late" and sleep not at home, crowded together on sofa or such | 00:23 |
| de-facto | hence the curfew should begin early enough that people dont meet friends | 00:23 |
| LjL | assuming the government is useful for anything, then wasting most of their time in the decision of whether the curfew shall be at 22 or 23 is definitely detracting from their usefulness | 00:23 |
| de-facto | its alibi measure originating from alibi discussions | 00:23 |
| de-facto | and courts even try to attack that "weakened" version of the curfew | 00:24 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: SARS-CoV-2 natural antibody response persists up to 12 months in a nationwide study from the Faroe Islands (81 votes) | https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.19.21255720v1 | https://redd.it/mweclq | 00:26 |
| de-facto | and just in time, our city went over 100/100k today | 00:27 |
| de-facto | yay, so we have curfew | 00:27 |
| de-facto | hmm actually they write its 21:00->5:00 here, thats much better | 00:29 |
| de-facto | i dont understand why though, the national rules are different | 00:29 |
| de-facto | they made it more strict here, fortunately i am not the only one thinking the current national rules are not strict enough | 00:30 |
| de-facto | about time though, seems we are at the begin of a steep peak here locally at my city https://i.imgur.com/fumuCPZ.jpeg | 00:34 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +1596 cases (now 1.4 million) since 9 hours ago | 01:17 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: People With Severe COVID-19 Have Higher Risk Of Long-Term Effects, Study Finds: The study's author says he was shocked to find the toll of long COVID was so substantial and multifaceted: "When you put it all together ... it's actually quite jarring." → https://is.gd/6FBojn | 01:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: New Covid strain detected in University lab shows high resistance to antibodies and causes more severe illness in young people → https://is.gd/83yevC | 01:29 |
| LjL | lovely how not a single thing is actually said about which mutations it contains | 01:44 |
| LjL | which would be understandable given it's mass media but then link to the goddam paper for once | 01:44 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: One Covid vaccine cuts infection risk in all age groups: Real-world data found the AZ and Pfizer jabs worked equally well in over-75s and younger people. → https://is.gd/wafPAb | 01:59 |
| LjL | > In the first study, people who had been vaccinated with a single dose of either the Oxford-AstraZeneca or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines were 65% less likely to get a new Covid infection. | 02:02 |
| LjL | not numbers to write home about... by which i mean, fine, that's what you get with one shot, but if it remains roughly the same after the second shot with AZ while it becomes 95% with BNT, that makes it kind of different | 02:02 |
| LjL | > Those who had received a second vaccine dose of Pfizer were 90% less likely to be infected. The same calculation could not be made for AZ, because too few people in the study had received a second dose as its rollout started later. | 02:02 |
| LjL | convenient... | 02:02 |
| LjL | and the link to what's supposed to be the research sends me to a Microsoft login page :| | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Atlantic: Podcast: When Can I Take Off My Mask?: The coronavirus pandemic has led businesses and governments to perform “hygiene theater,” which can give a false sense of security. But how do we thread the needle between being too cautious and too cavalier? Derek Thompson joins James Hamblin and Maeve Higgins to help us understand. [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/3BA4kR | 02:10 |
| de-facto | LjL, https://today.tamu.edu/2021/04/19/texas-a-genome-suggests-potential-resistance-to-antibodies/ | 02:17 |
| de-facto | The official name of the BV-1 variant is hCoV-19/USA/TX-GHRC-BV1-EQ4526591/2021 | 02:17 |
| de-facto | Scientists from the GHRC have submitted a paper on BV-1 to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta. | 02:17 |
| de-facto | GHRC also deposited its sequence data on BV-1 with GISAID, the Munich-based science initiative that collects SARS-CoV-2 sequences from around the world. | 02:18 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for United Kingdom: +1375 cases (now 4.4 million), +10 deaths (now 127462) since 10 hours ago | 02:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Alberta confirms first COVID-19 case linked to variant fuelling case surge in India | CBC News → https://is.gd/wJ1Hzy | 02:20 |
| de-facto | hmmm i can not find it at GISAID yet | 02:25 |
| LjL | ugh i hope they find a shorter official name | 02:26 |
| de-facto | maybe i look again in a few days might take some time to publish it there or such? | 02:27 |
| de-facto | variants emerge everywhere nowadays | 02:28 |
| de-facto | https://virological.org/t/potential-novel-sars-cov-2-variant-of-interest-from-lineage-ap-1-with-n501y-and-additional-spike-mutations-identified-in-saxony-germany/674 | 02:29 |
| de-facto | our vaccinations are WAY too slow | 02:29 |
| de-facto | and our containment is WAY too weak | 02:29 |
| LjL | de-facto, wanna get mad at our vaccination speed? look at the article the bot posted in ##science about US vaccinations | 02:29 |
| de-facto | we are seeing an exponenital explosion of SARS-CoV-2-VoIs some of which will become SARS-CoV-2-VoCs | 02:30 |
| de-facto | no i dont want to get mad, i ranted enough about it already | 02:30 |
| LjL | de-facto, partly it could also just mean that they're paying more attention and sequencing more, which is not a bad thing | 02:30 |
| de-facto | both effects are probably contributing, breeding and surveillance | 02:31 |
| de-facto | but we also see hotspots and then if they find a VoC there one might ask if its related | 02:32 |
| LjL | to me the most important thing now is that when we see variants "of interest" AND at the same time some other worrisome signs (such as a spike) in a given place, we must stop allowing people from that place to travel pretty much anywhere else | 02:32 |
| LjL | i know you think we should stop all flights in general, but practically that is just not going to happen | 02:33 |
| LjL | given it's not going to happen, what's the next best thing? i think it's that. | 02:33 |
| LjL | "science" is important, but science takes time, we cannot allow the time to go from VOI to VOC while thinking "oh while it's not yet a VOC it's all good, everyone travel merrily..." | 02:33 |
| LjL | there is a variant with important-looking mutation and a spike in place X? isolate place X, now. | 02:34 |
| de-facto | well we must stop with the breeding | 02:36 |
| de-facto | thats the source of all the upcoming problems | 02:37 |
| de-facto | we have seen by now that if a VoC got some reproduction advantages (be in more contagious or more evasive in a partly immune population) it WILL spread globally because humanity is WAY too stupid to contain it | 02:38 |
| de-facto | so we must stop it at the source: lockdown and vaccinations | 02:39 |
| de-facto | to be honest i begin to think more and more that ZERO-COVID is the only solution, i cant see any other way | 02:39 |
| de-facto | i am pretty sure we will not see a NZ-VoC or AUS-VoC or such | 02:40 |
| de-facto | why? because they are not breeding any. | 02:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from NPR: UC And Cal State Systems To Require COVID-19 Vaccinations For In-Person Fall Classes: The CSU Chancellor called the directive "the most comprehensive and consequential university plan for COVID-19 vaccines in the country." It will affect more than 1 million students and employees. → https://is.gd/446twd | 02:51 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: Scientific paper claiming smokers less likely to acquire Covid retracted over tobacco industry links (10061 votes) | https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/apr/22/scientific-paper-claiming-smokers-less-likely-to-acquire-covid-retracted-over-tobacco-industry-links | https://redd.it/mw2bfm | 02:57 |
| LjL | and yet i saw numbers suggestive of the same thing on another paper that didn't even explicitly mention it as a counter-risk factor... | 02:58 |
| LjL | not that it should mean anyone ought to take up smoking, but i have the feeling any paper that explicitly stated smokers are LESS likely to get something would get more scrutinized than the tens of thousands of COVID papers that have been churned out in the past months. maybe appropriately so. | 02:59 |
| LjL | i even thought when i saw the other paper that maybe they purposefully avoided mentioning the tobacco conclusions one could draw from their data to avoid drawing too much bad attention | 03:00 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +9616 cases (now 5.4 million) since 11 hours ago | 03:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to receive AstraZeneca vaccine on Friday → https://is.gd/LnDvJl | 03:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +15393 cases (now 3.2 million) since 12 hours ago | 03:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Thailand seeks more COVID shots amid record surge in cases → https://is.gd/raJde6 | 04:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virology.ws: SARS-CoV-2 variants arise during individual infections: Early in the COVID-19 pandemic, SARS-CoV-2 genome variation appeared to be low, with an average of 10 base differences in the 30,000 base genome between any two isolates. Late in 2020, as many more people were infected, variants were isolated that had more changes than [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/w4HeNM | 04:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Venezuela opposition nod to $100 million in frozen funds for Covid-19 vaccines → https://is.gd/5kQ0N6 | 05:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Fitness: Watch: Shilpa Shetty attempts ‘little tougher’ yoga routine to stay stress-free amid pandemic → https://is.gd/lYDraM | 05:45 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +19914 cases (now 3.2 million), +187 deaths (now 81327) since 14 hours ago — Belgium: +4357 cases (now 964526), +42 deaths (now 23909) since 14 hours ago | 06:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'Newlyweds are being cremated': Bodies burned in car parks as COVID-19 deaths spike in New Delhi → https://is.gd/TVs7oO | 06:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: A doctor explains: What is the six-minute walk test for COVID-19? → https://is.gd/pYnoyu | 06:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: US lawmakers expresses concern over Covid-19 situation in India, appeal for help → https://is.gd/N5dLRT | 07:18 |
| kreyren | https://nationalfile.com/report-pfizer-vaccine-confirmed-to-cause-neurodegenerative-diseases/ | 07:25 |
| kreyren | Nationalfile reports pfizer/biontech vaccine to cause neurodegenerative diseases | 07:25 |
| kreyren | References https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf | 07:25 |
| piggziu | oh boy | 07:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Coronavirus: Tokyo Motor Show cancelled for first time in 67 years → https://is.gd/BsWVZD | 07:38 |
| piggziu | Many have raised the warning that the current epidemic of COVID-19 is actually the result of an bioweapons attack released in part by individuals in the United States government [10,11]. | 07:42 |
| piggziu | guess, who the "many" are in reference 10 and 11 | 07:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Lakshadweep, India: +336 cases (now 1671) since 15 hours ago — France: +25520 cases (now 5.4 million), +211 deaths (now 102102) since 15 hours ago — Lombardy, Italy: +2509 cases (now 788833), +54 deaths (now 32512) since 15 hours ago — Netherlands: +7256 cases (now 1.4 million), +16 deaths (now 17104) since 15 hours ago | 07:42 |
| kreyren | reference to human-to-cat transmission https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-56821770 | 07:46 |
| kreyren | piggziu: lot of virologist seems to believe that covid-19 is bioweapon, but i wasn't able to find any evidence on the subject | 07:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: 'A sin to waste': Montana tribe provides COVID-19 vaccinations at Alberta border crossing → https://is.gd/2gCBu7 | 07:49 |
| piggziu | kreyren: without anything to reference, better not to make outrageous posts IMO | 07:54 |
| piggziu | Founded in 2019, National File is a conspiracy and pseudoscience website that reports from a conservative perspective. | 07:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: "Sorry, Did Not Know": Thief in Haryana, India Returns Covid Vaccine With Note → https://is.gd/dNiTVa | 08:19 |
| kreyren | <piggziu "Krey: without anything to refere"> I am tracking relevant references on the subject in https://github.com/Kreyren/SARS-CoV-2-bioweapon | 08:27 |
| kreyren | <piggziu "Founded in 2019, National File i"> They referenced valid research though | 08:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: At least 13 patients have died after a fire broke out in the intensive care unit of an Indian hospital treating Covid patients near Mumbai. → https://is.gd/RmYu5A | 08:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: What's new: Medicine: Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Pandemic influenza vaccine H5N1 AstraZeneca (previously Pandemic influenza vaccine H5N1 Medimmune), pandemic influenza vaccine (H5N1) (live attenuated, nasal), Influenza, Human, Date of authorisation: 20/05/2016, Revision: 7, Status: Authorised → https://is.gd/FSleZi | 09:00 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | April 23, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/vpkmUE | 09:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India urges US to lift ban on export of the supply of raw materials needed by Indian manufacturers of Covid-19 vaccines → https://is.gd/lZpwH2 | 09:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: 11-year-old Indian boy is Singapore’s sole new community case of COVID-19 → https://is.gd/PHFq5j | 10:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: California's public universities to require COVID-19 vaccine: Two of the nation's largest university systems say they intend to require COVID-19 vaccinations for all students, faculty and staff on University of California and California State University campuses this fall. → https://is.gd/Xn8N6N | 10:22 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Germany: +188 deaths (now 81328) since 18 hours ago | 10:36 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Australian city orders new lockdown after virus escapes quarantine hotel: Australian authorities ordered a snap, three-day lockdown in the western city of Perth Friday after the coronavirus escaped from a quarantine hotel housing infected international travellers. → https://is.gd/MmIhbJ | 10:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: India's Covid crisis: what is to blame?: India is reeling from a new coronavirus surge, stretching hospitals to the limit with dire shortages of beds, oxygen and drugs. → https://is.gd/sqVhxI | 10:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: For the first time in 10 months: Israel records 0 new COVID deaths → https://is.gd/9R3hCo | 11:14 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Clinical Excellence Awards—time for a fairer NHS rewards scheme: Covid-19 has transformed the visibility of healthcare delivery, and public attitudes and perceptions related to the NHS have changed, potentially forever. The leadership shown by all NHS staff in... → https://is.gd/I6DD0d | 11:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Post Covid-19 care: Nutritional guidelines for those recovering from coronavirus → https://is.gd/MrCeeV | 11:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from WHO Euro: COVAX helps make equitable access to COVID-19 vaccines a reality in the WHO European Region: The COVAX Facility has delivered over 1 million doses of Pfizer–BioNTech and AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines to 14 participating economies in the Region so far. This global initiative is co-led by the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/zPA51K | 12:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: World’s highest daily rise in COVID cases in India, record deaths → https://is.gd/QAG3sR | 12:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Oxford Malaria vaccine proves highly effective in Burkina Faso trial → https://is.gd/WxnIES | 12:56 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for O'Higgins, Chile: +10 deaths (now 1395) since 21 hours ago | 12:59 |
| darsie | wow, a malaria vaccine? That's new, IMHO. | 13:04 |
| de-facto | same Jenner institute that developed AZD-1222 | 13:17 |
| de-facto | .title https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2021/04/22/sciadv.abg7607 | 13:26 |
| Brainstorm | de-facto: From advances.sciencemag.org: SARS-CoV-2 can recruit a haem metabolite to evade antibody immunity | Science Advances | 13:27 |
| de-facto | "The coronaviral spike is the dominant viral antigen and the target of neutralizing antibodies. We show that SARS-CoV-2 spike binds biliverdin and bilirubin, the tetrapyrrole products of haem metabolism, with nanomolar affinity." | 13:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India’s Covid-19 Tragedy Is Now The World’s Problem → https://is.gd/XlBnS3 | 13:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Health: Fact check: Can eating raw onion with rock salt cure COVID-19? → https://is.gd/oxZyuM | 14:08 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Cambodia: +655 cases (now 8848), +2 deaths (now 61) since 22 hours ago — Mongolia: +1264 cases (now 27956), +8 deaths (now 69) since 22 hours ago — Switzerland: +11 deaths (now 10561) since 22 hours ago — Germany: +189 deaths (now 81329) since 22 hours ago | 14:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from EMA: News and press releases: (news): Increase in vaccine manufacturing capacity and supply for COVID-19 vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna, CHMP, 23/04/2021 → https://is.gd/rvCAyL | 14:29 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Osaka virus patients dying at home as medical system buckles under strain of COVID-19 wave | The Japan Times → https://is.gd/9uaZxD | 15:00 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Convocazione del Consiglio dei Ministri n. 15 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/convocazione-del-consiglio-dei-ministri-n-15/16693 ) | 15:08 | |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: China says in communication with India to provide assistance to combat COVID-19 surge → https://is.gd/rdys5u | 15:11 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Consiglio dei Ministri n. 15 ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/consiglio-dei-ministri-n-15/16694 ) | 15:18 | |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: STAT+: Pharmalittle: CDC committee to vote on J&J Covid-19 vaccine; has the White House written off the J&J shot?: The Johnson & Johnson vaccine could be back in circulation this weekend — albeit with possible restrictions — depending on a recommendation Friday by a federal advisory panel. → https://is.gd/2UbwwH | 15:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: US drop in vaccine demand has some places turning down doses: Louisiana has stopped asking the federal government for its full allotment of COVID-19 vaccine. About three-quarters of Kansas counties have turned down new shipments of the vaccine at least once over the past month. And in Mississippi, officials asked the federal [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/2irxl0 | 15:42 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Netherlands: +7276 cases (now 1.4 million) since 23 hours ago | 15:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: EU agency to issue more guidance on AstraZeneca's COVID shot: The European Medicines Agency is expected to provide updated guidance Friday on how countries across Europe should use the COVID-19 vaccine developed by AstraZeneca. → https://is.gd/wgcHQq | 15:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Oxford malaria vaccine becomes first to reach WHO efficacy goal → https://is.gd/r6mCl4 | 16:04 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Feed: Avviso per l’acquisizione di manifestazioni d’interesse e di disponibilità per l’assegnazione alla Struttura commissariale a supporto del Commissario straordinario per la sicurezza del sistema idrico del Gran Sasso ( https://www.governo.it/it/articolo/avviso-l-acquisizione-di-manifestazioni-d-interesse-e-di-disponibilit-l-assegnazione-alla-0 ) | 16:08 | |
| Brainstorm | New from EuroNews: EU to vaccinate 70% of adults by July, two months ahead of schedule, says Von der Leyen: The European Commission president has announced that 70% of the adult population in the EU will receive at least one vaccine dose by July. #BrusselsBureau → https://is.gd/EYNPbT | 16:15 |
| CoronaBot | /r/covid19: Covid-19: Infections fell by 65% after first dose of AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccine, data show (86 votes) | https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1068 | https://redd.it/mwutei | 16:40 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: US health panel reviews J&J vaccine pause over rare clots: With the U.S. pause of Johnson & Johnson's COVID-19 vaccine stretched into a second week, authorities are weighing whether to resume the shots the way European regulators decided to—with warnings of a "very rare" risk. → https://is.gd/dMPop5 | 16:47 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Management of a university ambulatory service: nursing in the coping of the pandemic of COVID-19. → https://is.gd/KCT0q1 | 17:07 |
| pwr22 | <CoronaBot "/r/covid19: Covid-19: Infections"> This seems like good news | 17:19 |
| Jigsy | https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/apr/23/uk-scientists-find-evidence-of-human-to-cat-covid-transmission | 17:20 |
| Jigsy | %title | 17:20 |
| Brainstorm | Jigsy: From www.theguardian.com: UK scientists find evidence of human-to-cat Covid transmission | Coronavirus | The Guardian | 17:20 |
| darsie | That seems old wisdom. | 17:26 |
| oxek | cats really should wear FFP3 respirators, or at least surgical masks... | 17:26 |
| darsie | IIRC they only have mild symptoms or so | 17:26 |
| oxek | well, most humans only have mild symptoms... | 17:27 |
| oxek | I'd love to see cats with clean shaven faces, wearing proper protection | 17:27 |
| darsie | I guess that mean aching for a week. | 17:27 |
| darsie | There are hairless cats. | 17:28 |
| oxek | The news could then be "Want to stop shaving the cats? Then wear the mask!" | 17:28 |
| darsie | Sphynx | 17:28 |
| oxek | I think it would work on a lot of cat lovers | 17:28 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Canada: +11571 cases (now 1.2 million), +64 deaths (now 23832) since 23 hours ago | 17:57 |
| pwr22 | darsie: one died in the article iirc | 17:58 |
| darsie | ok | 17:58 |
| xrogaan | https://xkcd.com/2454/ | 18:13 |
| xrogaan | .title | 18:13 |
| Brainstorm | xrogaan: From xkcd.com: xkcd: Fully Vaccinated | 18:13 |
| CoronaBot | /r/coronavirus: University of California and California State University systems plan to require COVID-19 vaccinations this fall. (10002 votes) | https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-22/uc-csu-to-require-covid-19-vaccinations-this-fall | https://redd.it/mwfwjf | 18:29 |
| LjL | My mom has dizziness or vertigo (she can't quite describe it, she's been feeling sick all morning, but she says she feels like she's falling), and headache (she has that often though) and a "strange sense of pressure in the head". It would seem worrisome anyway, but she was vaccinated with AstraZeneca a week ago, so rare as the Bad Things may be, we're not feeling very calm | 18:47 |
| oxek | LjL: you suspect it's one of the symptoms of blood clot in the brain? | 18:49 |
| LjL | oxek: suspect is a strong word, I guess it's hard to disregard that remote possibility | 18:51 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Lockdowns aren't to save lives. They're to stop hospitals being overwhelmed. "India Covid crisis: Hospitals buckle under record surge" → https://is.gd/t7v58H | 18:52 |
| oxek | well, blood clotting being the big thing in the news, and feeling dizzy, would indicate blood clot in the brain - but surely things would have gotten much more serious very quickly by now, so you can rest easy then, no? | 18:53 |
| oxek | a blood clot anywhere else would have a different presentation | 18:53 |
| LjL | oxek: the blood clotting that is linked to AZ *is* in the brain much of the time (CVST, in other cases it's in the splachnic vein), and from what I'm reading, especially in older people, CVST may even just present with headache (which she does have) initially | 18:56 |
| LjL | The AZ reaction is uncommon in older people though | 18:57 |
| LjL | She's 71. I guess I'm also worried about covid itself although dizziness doesn't look like it's a big symptom of that | 18:57 |
| oxek | LjL: when she was vaccinated, did she receive the leaflet to call to report any side-effects? Maybe call that number, they need it to establish proper statistics anyway, even for things like rate of headaches that don't progress into anything of concern. | 18:58 |
| LjL | oxek: I don't think so. You receive a printout with a QR for your next appointment, and when you get it they make you feel a questionnaire with some previous symptoms, but I don't think they give you instructions on what to do if something happen... She's called our doctor anyway, who prescribed betahistine, but that's just something to control vertigo. Anyway maybe there is a number to call for vaccine reactions even though it's not in the paperwork, I'll | 19:00 |
| LjL | look... | 19:00 |
| oxek | the number exists, it's just different for every country | 19:01 |
| oxek | I think people would feel much safer if everyone who had even a mild reaction to the vaccine would call to report it, so that proper statistics (now based on a much larger sample size than during initial testing) could be established | 19:02 |
| oxek | but people often don't call | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express (Health): Life-style: Milan gets buzzier with 1 million bees in designer hives → https://is.gd/a0M9DP | 19:03 |
| LjL | oxek: it's not easy to relate those statistics to anything though. In the trials you have a control arm on placebo. Now you just have a ton of worried people with symptoms that could be caused from all sorts of things, most of which they'd probably get anyway | 19:12 |
| LjL | Anyhow my understanding is here you're meant to go through your GP to report adverse reactions, and I'm learning now unfortunately she didn't point out to the doctor that she'd taken AZ recently and that she was worried it might be related when she called :/ | 19:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: COVID-19 mother-to-newborn infection rates are low, but indirect risks exist: At the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, very little was known about SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Over the past year, more evidence has become available on how the virus is transmitted, who is at the greatest risk and best practices to [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/geaBoS | 19:13 |
| oxek | LjL: give the doctor another call, for peace of mind at least | 19:17 |
| oxek | it's still something that looks really really rare, so try not to worry | 19:17 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Italy: +14758 cases (now 3.9 million), +342 deaths (now 118699) since a day ago | 19:17 |
| LjL | oxek: for doctor will have to wait tomorrow, she's off now... I know it's rare but even if it's not that, to me it looks like something worrisome, like anything head-related that's sudden and new onset :/ | 19:19 |
| LjL | Also, great case count from Brainstorm, sure cheers me up :( | 19:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Psychology & Psychiatry: You and your friends are vaccinated. So why is socializing again scary? → https://is.gd/u3eg0Y | 19:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from Gazzetta Ufficiale italiana: MINISTERO DELL'INTERNO - COMUNICATO: Avviso relativo al decreto del 14 aprile 2021, concernente il ripartodi un acconto delle risorse incrementali del Fondo per l'eserciziodelle funzioni degli enti locali pari a 200 milioni di euro a favoredei comuni ed a 20 milioni di euro a favore di province e [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/QrrdSC | 19:35 |
| LjL | oxek: actually the paperwork says that aside from talking to the doctor or the vaccine center (unsure how to contact the latter) if one has concerns, adverse events can just be reported directly on the AIFA website, but obviously that will allow reporting but without providing any sort of advice | 19:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: A new malaria vaccine has proven 77 percent effective in trials on infants, British researchers said Friday, in what could prove to be a potential game-changer against the deadly mosquito-borne disease → https://is.gd/xa8IEX | 19:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Drone images of mass cremations as India battles Covid-19 → https://is.gd/KFc1DS | 19:55 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Spain: +11731 cases (now 3.5 million), +95 deaths (now 77591) since 23 hours ago | 20:01 |
| LjL | almost all regions of Italy now, except Sardinia ("red") and a few southern regions ("orange"), are going back to "yellow" which is practically the minimum amount of restrictions... there is division on the curfew and when it should start, but other than that, bars and restaurants will be allowed to open again but only outdoors and takeaway | 20:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from Trevor Bedford: @trvrb: R to @trvrb: As both B.1.617 and B.1.1.7 further increase in frequency they will be more directly in competition and it should become clear which lineage has the evolutionary advantage. 5/5 → https://is.gd/be1kF0 | 20:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: US COVID cases show decline, feds double down on vaccination gaps: Lisa Schnirring | News Editor | CIDRAP News Apr 23, 2021 Federal officials worry that parts of the country where vaccine uptake is low could become future virus hot spots. → https://is.gd/cioaQ6 | 20:38 |
| Brainstorm | New from Bloom Lab: @jbloom_lab: R to @jbloom_lab: To extent possible, we should prioritize #SARSCoV2 vaccines that elicit polyclonal antibody neutralization to multiple co-dominant epitopes (like measles), & avoid flu-like situation where neutralization is narrowly focused and appreciably impacted by single mutations (20/n) → https://is.gd/BF3pwt | 20:49 |
| NewParadigmRules | Hi | 20:50 |
| NewParadigmRules | fwefwef | 20:53 |
| LjL | de-facto, i think you'd find that jbloom thread above interesting | 21:06 |
| Blankspace | Hey | 21:09 |
| Brainstorm | New from Scientific American: Coronavirus News Roundup, April 17–April 23: Pandemic highlights for the week -- Read more on ScientificAmerican.com → https://is.gd/px1ltU | 21:09 |
| Blankspace | Covid cases has increased | 21:10 |
| Blankspace | :( | 21:10 |
| LjL | india? | 21:12 |
| Blankspace | Yes | 21:12 |
| LjL | they're skyrocketing | 21:12 |
| Blankspace | Isn't there anything we can do | 21:13 |
| LjL | i don't know, the usual. stay home, wear a mask if you have to go outside, wear it properly... | 21:13 |
| LjL | by saying "the usual" i don't mean the situation is usual, though. i just don't know what else you can individually do. | 21:14 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for France: +33784 cases (now 5.4 million), +300 deaths (now 102328) since 18 hours ago | 21:15 |
| LjL | right now the government needs to convert oxygen production as quickly as possible | 21:16 |
| LjL | hospitals are lacking oxygen badly | 21:16 |
| Blankspace | Yes | 21:18 |
| Blankspace | Industries are producing it and sending across countries | 21:18 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: Studies: COVID linked to poor maternal, neonatal outcomes: Mary Van Beusekom | News Writer | CIDRAP News Apr 23, 2021 COVID-19 during pregnancy linked to dramatically higher rates of maternal death, increased risk of infection and adverse health outcomes in newborns. → https://is.gd/ob7yeH | 21:20 |
| Blankspace | I mean sending inside country | 21:20 |
| Brainstorm | New from Virological.org: Latest posts: @pablotsukayama Pablo Tsukayama: SARS-CoV-2 reinfection by the new Variant of Concern (VOC) P.1 in Amazonas, Brazil → https://is.gd/pBIEri | 21:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from BBC Health: (news): Covid: Science advisers call for better PPE for healthcare workers → https://is.gd/pTrQSG | 21:52 |
| Brainstorm | Updates for Laos: +65 cases (now 159) since a day ago — Switzerland: +11 deaths (now 10566) since 22 hours ago | 21:53 |
| Brainstorm | New from FDA Press Releases: FDA: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Update: April 23, 2021 → https://is.gd/oNt50W | 22:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from Medical Xpress: Canada reaches deal with Pfizer for vaccines in future years: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Friday Canada has reached an agreement with Pfizer for 35 million booster shots next year and 30 million in 2023 in case the effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines fades with time and need to be reinforced. → https://is.gd/ekc6uL | 22:13 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Scientists investigating ‘highly mutated’ Covid variant detected in travellers from Tanzania → https://is.gd/FRPjGp | 22:23 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Breaking News: CDC advisory panel backs J&J’s Covid-19 vaccine, clearing way for pause to be lifted → https://is.gd/BBagpy | 22:55 |
| finely[m] | <LjL "My mom has dizziness or vertigo "> I would ask for a blood test. If it is clotting, it should be obvious from low platelet count and increased viscosity. Probably nothing, but it would provide peace of mind to rule it out. | 22:59 |
| LjL | finely[m]: she does have some blood tests scheduled, she's kinda procrastinated them because of covid, she actually meant to book them today... I will look and check if platelet count is included, but I suspect so, she has had various issues with blood values before and I think a full blood count would be included | 23:01 |
| Blankspace | Hey | 23:08 |
| Blankspace | %cases India | 23:08 |
| Brainstorm | Blankspace: In India, there have been 16.3 million confirmed cases (1.2% of the population) and 186920 deaths (1.1% of cases) as of 5 hours ago. 274.4 million tests were performed (5.9% positive). Fatality can be broadly expected to lie between 0.2% (assuming prevalence as in tests) and less than 1.4% (considering only deaths and recoveries). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=India for time series data. | 23:08 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: CDC panel recommends U.S. resume use of J&J Covid vaccine, saying benefits outweigh risks → https://is.gd/ry83QE | 23:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from CIDRAP: ACIP opts to lift pause on Johnson & Johnson vaccine: Stephanie Soucheray | News Reporter | CIDRAP News Apr 23, 2021 The vaccine advisory committee recommended that the United States resume use of the COVID-19 vaccine in a 10 to 4 vote. → https://is.gd/Cs4h98 | 23:26 |
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