| KatolaZ | LeePen: you here? | 18:47 |
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| amesser | KatolaZ: what do you think about granting access to elogind git repo of Devuan for Mark? I mean there is not really a sense in me beeing a forwarder of Mark's changes into the repo?! | 19:33 |
| KatolaZ | fine by me if you are fine with it | 19:34 |
| KatolaZ | you are the maintainer | 19:34 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 19:34 |
| amesser | lol, yes i'm fine | 19:34 |
| amesser | with that. just wanted to ask. i think i can grant him permission by myself now | 19:34 |
| KatolaZ | we will initially build it for experimental in devuan | 19:34 |
| amesser | ok | 19:35 |
| KatolaZ | my rough impression is that this will fail to work for both Devuan and Devuan, but I hope I am wrong | 19:35 |
| KatolaZ | (meaning: without any modification) | 19:35 |
| KatolaZ | still, it's worth the effort anyway | 19:35 |
| amesser | lets see how it will work out, In any case it will save time an effort on both sides. No sense to have separate packages and maintenance. | 19:41 |
| KatolaZ | sure | 19:41 |
| KatolaZ | I am not implying it's bad | 19:41 |
| KatolaZ | quite the opposite :) | 19:41 |
| KatolaZ | (and again, I really hope I will be proven wrong) | 19:41 |
| KatolaZ | that would be a good success :) | 19:42 |
| amesser | however, i think we will need a libsystemd-shim. Beeing glue applications linked to libsystemd and all sorts of non-systemd implementations like elogin, udev, syslog, whatever. S | 19:43 |
| amesser | elogind seems to be still incompatible to libsystemd | 19:43 |
| KatolaZ | that's what I am unsure about | 19:44 |
| KatolaZ | the trick works in Devuan because we made elogind Provides: libpam-systemd | 19:44 |
| amesser | yes | 19:44 |
| KatolaZ | we need to have "something" that Provides: libpam-systemd and depends on elogind on Devuan | 19:45 |
| KatolaZ | remember: everything works fine in ASCII using that trick | 19:45 |
| amesser | but polkit is only one application, there are much more libsystemd using apps and they might use things of libsystemd which wont work on devuan | 19:45 |
| KatolaZ | well, for those there is little or no chance | 19:45 |
| amesser | of course, polkit is the biggest users of that logind api | 19:46 |
| KatolaZ | if they need systemd, they won't work on Devuan | 19:46 |
| amesser | :-) | 19:46 |
| KatolaZ | it looks like very few applications actually need systemd proper | 19:46 |
| KatolaZ | (meaning that they wouldn't work if the systemd binary is not available in the system) | 19:47 |
| KatolaZ | bbl | 19:48 |
| Centurion_Dan | amesser: so whats different about this version of elogind vs what is already in Devuan? | 21:09 |
| gnu_srs | Hi, we solved the elogind,consolekit,policykit problems in ASCII with two packages: elogind and policykit-1. Why is this so problematic in Debian? | 21:39 |
| gnu_srs | And why can't elogind with libpam-elogind provide libpam-systemd, they are mutually exclusive? | 21:41 |
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