| Centurion_Dan | jaromil: you see my email to re d1conf? | 00:12 |
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| golinux | I did | 01:26 |
| * Xenguy 's ears perk up... | 03:04 | |
| golinux | I just installed the i386 mini.iso! | 09:04 |
| golinux | What do I need to check? | 09:05 |
| KatolaZ | LeePen: saw that elogind was accepted in unstable | 18:17 |
| KatolaZ | good job :) | 18:17 |
| LeePen | Thanks. Once it is built I will ask Ian to upload the newer version matching what we have in Devuan. | 18:22 |
| KatolaZ | ok | 18:22 |
| KatolaZ | LeePen: I guess it does not make much sense to put it in beowulf as yet? | 18:23 |
| KatolaZ | do we need the policykit stuff sorted out first? | 18:24 |
| LeePen | I am not sure what policykit stuff is still outstanding. The new elogind and gnu_srs2/Centurion_Dan's policykit they built at the end of last week | 18:25 |
| LeePen | work for me on ceres. | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | I have a wishlist item for policykit (I think) | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | LeePen, yesterday you said something about running xfce without *kits? | 18:27 |
| KatolaZ | oh | 18:27 |
| KatolaZ | so it's already on ceres | 18:27 |
| KatolaZ | great | 18:27 |
| LeePen | KatolaZ: no that policykit build is in experimental, but I installed it on ceres and xfce works for me. | 18:28 |
| KatolaZ | ok | 18:28 |
| LeePen | fsmithred: I think it was without consolekit. | 18:29 |
| KatolaZ | I really would like to move polkit and elogind to beowulf | 18:29 |
| KatolaZ | so that we can get more people testing this stuff | 18:29 |
| KatolaZ | if the stuff is in beowulf we can call for testers on DNG | 18:29 |
| KatolaZ | telling them what they need to test | 18:30 |
| LeePen | KatolaZ: seems a good idea to me. It would be worth having the elogind support for missing /etc/machine-id in first. | 18:30 |
| KatolaZ | oki | 18:31 |
| KatolaZ | this will be the new upstream version, right? | 18:31 |
| LeePen | KatolaZ: I am just sorting the build for that now as upstream might be a few more days with the next release. | 18:31 |
| KatolaZ | ok | 18:31 |
| KatolaZ | let's wait for the new version then | 18:31 |
| golinux | But doesn't slim need consolekit? | 18:32 |
| LeePen | It will be in 239.3, but I have put it in a quilt patch | 18:32 |
| * golinux is attached to slim? | 18:32 | |
| golinux | x the ? | 18:32 |
| LeePen | golinux: not that I am aware of -- I have tried both slim and lightdm and they both seem to work for me. | 18:32 |
| golinux | That would be great! It used to require different backends. | 18:33 |
| golinux | iirc | 18:34 |
| LeePen | golinux: can you remember what didn't work in slim without it and I can check? | 18:34 |
| KatolaZ | LeePen: slim used to be linked against colsolekit in Jessie | 18:42 |
| KatolaZ | then it was linked against libpam-systemd in stretch | 18:43 |
| KatolaZ | but we continued to maintain the link to consolekit in ascii | 18:43 |
| KatolaZ | since it was known to be working | 18:43 |
| KatolaZ | then we introduced elogind | 18:43 |
| KatolaZ | which worked with lightdm | 18:43 |
| KatolaZ | and played well with other DEs | 18:44 |
| KatolaZ | but we didn't have much time/energy/will to revert slim to elogind | 18:44 |
| KatolaZ | (well, to support elogind, actually) | 18:44 |
| KatolaZ | not it looks like slim simply depends on dbus | 18:44 |
| KatolaZ | and no *kit stuff | 18:45 |
| KatolaZ | so it should work ootb with either elogind or consolekit2 | 18:45 |
| KatolaZ | or at least this is my (poor) understanding of the whole business | 18:45 |
| LeePen | Sounds convincing ;) | 18:46 |
| golinux | fsr just called me. His power went down. | 18:47 |
| golinux | When he gets back on he wants to add his bit to this discussion | 18:47 |
| golinux | It's all a blur to me so I can't add much useful | 18:48 |
| golinux | I will start to customize the mini.iso today but right now proofing the draft announcement and have to get back to it. | 18:48 |
| golinux | ttyl | 18:49 |
| KatolaZ | golinux: you can customise the install you got with the mini.iso I guess | 18:50 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 18:50 |
| golinux | Yes. Planning on it. | 19:10 |
| * golinux is about to send the announcement proof to jaromil | 19:11 | |
| fsmithred | katolaz still here? | 19:22 |
| KatolaZ | hey | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | hi | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | I'm gonna paste my notes somewhere and give you the link | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | about xfce4-session and libpolkit-gobject-1-0 | 19:27 |
| fsmithred | soon as I can figure out how | 19:28 |
| fsmithred | http://termbin.com/0j1y | 19:30 |
| fsmithred | KatolaZ, LeePen gnu_srs Centurion_Dan | 19:31 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ | 19:31 |
| fsmithred | regarding the ability to run xfce without display manager, consolekit or policykit | 19:31 |
| LeePen | fsmithred: thanks. I need to take some time to go through that. | 19:45 |
| KatolaZ | fsmithred: it's unlikely I am able to understand what's going on there | 19:46 |
| KatolaZ | I have only one question: does xfce4-session in Debian depend on libpam-systemd? | 19:46 |
| KatolaZ | https://packages.debian.org/unstable/xfce4-session | 19:47 |
| KatolaZ | no it depends on polkit | 19:47 |
| KatolaZ | sorry for asking a silly question | 19:47 |
| KatolaZ | :\ | 19:47 |
| fsmithred | back | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | briefly, what's going on is that the deps on libpolkit-gobject-1-0 changed between jessie and ascii. In ascii, it pulls in consolekit | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | via libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0 | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | thus making it impossible to install xfce4-session without consolekit | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | then you can't use startxfce4 from console to start the desktop | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | I'm suggesting that changing one dep to a recommends would make it possible for those who want to run without dm and kits | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | and no questions about this stuff are sillier than the stuff itself | 19:54 |
| LeePen | fsmithred: I haven't tried ascii, but in ceres with the new policykit from experimental that is no longer the case. I have xfce without consolekit. | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | LeePen, the OP wanted not policykit, either | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | and no elogind | 20:11 |
| LeePen | fsmithred: OK, I get it. I will have a look. | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 20:13 |
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