furrymcgee | Hey devuan-dev you did a good job with the ascii release! I'm looking for general information about the sdk and devuan mirror. In a debootstrap from devuan cd some packages are missing to build my schroot for the sdk, the sdk looks really good and I want to connect it to a local apt-ftparchive with build-essential to build a amd64 cd, maybe we can share some knowledge in this process. | 20:39 |
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golinux | I installed the mini.iso last week. Install went well but Xfce is quite broken because of broken *kit stuff. | 20:46 |
golinux | I can't install synaptic because the deps are borked. Desktop customizations aren't working quite right and graphical root thunar etc. (which I use a lot - no lectures please) won't hold any customizations. | 20:49 |
golinux | The refracta-based beowulf (which includes bits from ascii) that fsr put together works well but I can't really test the theming till it's running on stand-alone beowulf. | 20:52 |
golinux | Any idea when the will be straightened out? | 20:52 |
golinux | Here's the pad for this week's meet: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/1/edit/26mkvnEGFcDIAXKWy9744g/0dV-vxN5RT9yb1JluOYxMYRd/ | 21:11 |
LeePen | golinux: which bits of xfce were broken for you? My install of it is pretty good. | 21:22 |
golinux | If this is your first time, please ping me to test your connection to jitsi BEFORE the meet. You might need this to get it working: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/chrome.crx | 21:22 |
golinux | Hi LeePen | 21:22 |
LeePen | golinux: Hi | 21:23 |
golinux | synaptic won't install. polkit problem | 21:23 |
LeePen | Hmm. I use apt-get directly | 21:23 |
LeePen | With the policykit packages from experimental xfce all waorks for me | 21:24 |
golinux | Desktop wallpapers in desktop-base, backgrounds and Xfce are inaccessible from the settings gui.. | 21:25 |
golinux | I can't install synaptic directly weither. | 21:26 |
LeePen | OK. As I said I haven't tried synaptic, but certainly the desktop settings are accessible. | 21:27 |
golinux | Since gksu no longer works I su to open root thunar but my preferences aren't being saved. | 21:27 |
golinux | I have to reset them every time. | 21:27 |
golinux | Synaptic isn't even installed | 21:28 |
LeePen | Let me fire up my VM of it... | 21:28 |
golinux | It is a bitch to theme so I need to have it working. | 21:28 |
golinux | I'll do that too (as painful as it will be) | 21:29 |
golinux | Every time I open root thunar, I get that stupid folder view etc. | 21:32 |
LeePen | What sources do you have? I have | 21:33 |
golinux | And even though I installed the DMZ-cursor-theme I get that nasty adwaita black cursor that I can't kill. I've tried. | 21:34 |
LeePen | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged unstable main | 21:34 |
golinux | Sources are whatever they are on the mini.iso | 21:34 |
* golinux goes to check | 21:35 | |
golinux | OK. I added that. | 21:37 |
LeePen | What was there before? | 21:37 |
golinux | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged unstable main | 21:39 |
golinux | Damn didn't copy frpoom the VM | 21:40 |
golinux | 143 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 34 not upgraded | 21:40 |
golinux | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf main | 21:41 |
golinux | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf-security main | 21:41 |
golinux | That's all that was in there | 21:41 |
golinux | Let me run the upgrade | 21:42 |
golinux | Sorry I'm so slow | 21:42 |
LeePen | Right, are you wanting beowulf or ceres? | 21:42 |
golinux | (mousepad:2342): dconf-WARNING **: 14:38:05.470: failed to commit changes to dconf: The connection is closed | 21:42 |
golinux | my changes aren't getting into dconf | 21:43 |
LeePen | Yep. | 21:43 |
golinux | I need beowulf to do the theming. But that might require parts from ceres, right? | 21:43 |
LeePen | I haven't tried a pure beowulf install, just ceres | 21:44 |
golinux | I mostly installed to test the /usr merge thing in the installer. | 21:45 |
LeePen | Yes. So what dconf* packages do you have? | 21:46 |
golinux | It's still upgrading | 21:46 |
LeePen | OK. | 21:47 |
golinux | Should I allow Restart services during package upgrades without asking? | 21:47 |
golinux | Never seen that one before. | 21:47 |
LeePen | I don't usually on a real system. But for a VM it is probably OK | 21:47 |
golinux | Or maybe I forget | 21:47 |
golinux | It will do that automatically next time I launch it anyway. | 21:48 |
golinux | Leepen . . . I don't like to mess with my system. My daily driver is still jessie. | 21:49 |
LeePen | Yes, and mine. You are doing this in a VM? | 21:49 |
golinux | Yes | 21:49 |
LeePen | SHould be fine then | 21:49 |
golinux | It's still installing upgrades | 21:50 |
golinux | YAY! Finished | 21:50 |
LeePen | Whilst it is doing that, | 21:50 |
LeePen | can you check the owner and perms on ~/.cache/dconf? | 21:51 |
golinux | I am owner and the perms are drwx------ | 21:53 |
golinux | Even in user space the thunar preferences aren't being saved. Just had to allow hidden files to be shown AGAIN. | 21:54 |
LeePen | And for everything under ~/.config? | 21:55 |
golinux | It's a PITA. But if my annoyance helps the cause, it's worth it. | 21:55 |
golinux | Not everything | 21:56 |
LeePen | What is not owned by you? | 21:57 |
golinux | Sorry for the confusion. It looks like I own everything | 21:58 |
LeePen | Hmmmm..... | 21:58 |
golinux | gstreamer and fontconfig have expanded permission | 22:00 |
LeePen | What dconf* packages have you? | 22:02 |
LeePen | I just have dconf-service and dconf-settings-backend | 22:03 |
golinux | I would usually fire up synaptic to find that info | 22:06 |
LeePen | dpkg -i|grep dconf | 22:06 |
golinux | so have to go find the right command to do it. | 22:06 |
LeePen | sorry dpkg -l|grep dconf | 22:06 |
golinux | Thanks | 22:06 |
golinux | I'm just a gui girl. ;) | 22:06 |
LeePen | I am not even sure what I am! | 22:07 |
golinux | LOL! | 22:10 |
golinux | Had to reformat it a bit | 22:10 |
golinux | dconf-gsettings-backend:i386 0.30.1-1 i386 | 22:10 |
golinux | dconf-service 0.30.1-1 i386 | 22:10 |
golinux | libdconf1:i386 0.30.1-1 i386 | 22:10 |
LeePen | And all 3 lines should have 'ii' at the beginning | 22:11 |
golinux | They did | 22:11 |
LeePen | Looks fine so far... | 22:12 |
golinux | I removed it | 22:12 |
golinux | OK. | 22:12 |
LeePen | So, I suppose the next thing to check is dbus. Is dbus-x11 installed? | 22:17 |
golinux | LeePen: Looks like synaptic will installing now | 22:17 |
golinux | Yay! But of course it won't launch from the system menu. Sooo . . . | 22:19 |
golinux | Let me check for that file | 22:19 |
golinux | ii dbus-x11 1.12.10-1+devuan1 i386 | 22:22 |
LeePen | Good, so is dbus actually running? | 22:23 |
golinux | Synaptic just launched! | 22:24 |
LeePen | Excellent. Sounds like youa re making progress | 22:25 |
golinux | Only because fsr gave me a nice little script to put in/usr/bin | 22:26 |
golinux | #!/usr/bin/env bash | 22:26 |
golinux | PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin | 22:26 |
golinux | /usr/sbin/synaptic | 22:26 |
golinux | exit 0 | 22:26 |
golinux | How do I know if dbus is running ? Or top moves around too much | 22:27 |
LeePen | pidof dbus-daemon? | 22:28 |
golinux | 1832 1768 1553 | 22:29 |
golinux | I ran that as user | 22:29 |
LeePen | Yep, good. And is DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS set? (echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS) | 22:30 |
golinux | unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-6ld3ggGKdJ,guid=52c1f355f135f0b01cfd9f725c06e3b8 | 22:31 |
golinux | Thanks for the spoon feeding | 22:32 |
LeePen | Actually, I am wondering why you have 3 dbus-daemon pids. I think there shoudl only be 2, a system one and a a session one. | 22:32 |
LeePen | How are you starting xfce? | 22:32 |
golinux | lightdm was on the mini.iso. I prefer slim | 22:33 |
golinux | but am putting up with lightdm and debin graphis (which are sucky imo) | 22:34 |
golinux | I have both a filesystem and filesystemroot icons on my desktop | 22:35 |
golinux | I have no idea what that is about | 22:35 |
golinux | Maybe that's the extra session? | 22:36 |
golinux | brb | 22:36 |
LeePen | No, nore me. I am puzzled by the 3 dbus-daemons. Have you logged out and in again since you manged to upgrade? | 22:37 |
golinux | No. | 22:39 |
golinux | I can do that. It's pretty fast | 22:39 |
golinux | Got purpy grub theme but Debian lightdm | 22:42 |
golinux | Still 3 after reboot | 22:44 |
golinux | $ pidof dbus-daemon | 22:44 |
golinux | 1867 1803 1562 | 22:44 |
LeePen | And all 3 have changed. That seems wrong to me. | 22:45 |
LeePen | When you upgraded, some packages were held back? | 22:46 |
golinux | I don't think so but can't really remember | 22:47 |
LeePen | I am running out of ideas, other than I think 3 dbus-daemons at the same time is wrong. | 22:50 |
golinux | I just launched thunar as root and got this message: | 22:51 |
golinux | Thunar: Failed to initialize Xfconf: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. | 22:51 |
golinux | Of course none of my settings had been saved from my last session. | 22:52 |
golinux | What would happen it I installed gksu? | 22:52 |
LeePen | Yes, this all looks like dbus is not working properly | 22:52 |
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