andi89gi | KatolaZ: here I am ;) ready for tasks | 17:08 |
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andi89gi | so any tasks to start with or doing for the upcoming release on 3.0 ? | 17:17 |
golinux | The build system is still broken | 17:18 |
golinux | afaik. | 17:18 |
andi89gi | build system is broken? | 17:18 |
golinux | CI has been non-functional for several weeks now | 17:19 |
andi89gi | sry I haven't got an overview about the current issues and I'm not up to dates :-) ; ah you mean the homepage etc? | 17:20 |
andi89gi | the hacker issue? | 17:20 |
golinux | WE currently are unable to build packages on our infra. | 17:20 |
golinux | No the hack was a joke. | 17:21 |
golinux | April fools | 17:21 |
Evilham | andi89gi: that should be solved "soon", did you take a look at maybe packaging hopman? :-) | 17:22 |
andi89gi | golinux: ah fuck - april joke | 17:23 |
andi89gi | Evilham: Well, I've taken a look on it. But how can I help out? | 17:24 |
Evilham | andi89gi: by trying to create the control dir and so on, so that a .deb can be produced :-) | 17:36 |
Evilham | iIRC you mentioned you knew some deb foo? :-D | 17:36 |
Evilham | (if not, sorry! Working with wrong assumptions) | 17:36 |
andi89gi | Evilham: yeah, I know it in theory xD but now I can do it on hopman. I haven't known the task ;) thus I'm asking | 17:39 |
Evilham | :-D Okay! Well, hopman is this cool software that someone announced for devuan | 17:40 |
Evilham | It's about managing mounts for removable media | 17:40 |
Evilham | Without systemd and dbus things | 17:40 |
Evilham | So, the developer made the code available on git.devuan.org, but there is no deb for it or a way to create and maintain the deb | 17:42 |
Evilham | andi89gi If you could adopt that software, so we can integrate it into devuan at some point, it'd be very helpful | 17:42 |
Evilham | For that, having CI down is not relevant, since first you'd have to be able to produce a .deb that works well and likely you'd have to coordinate with the author | 17:43 |
andi89gi | okay I see - I've to chat with the author | 17:46 |
andi89gi | Evilham: Can you give the link again? I try to find hopman in our repos | 17:46 |
Evilham | was finishing getting in front of my computer :-p, now: https://git.devuan.org/kryn/hopman | 17:47 |
Evilham | but the first bit is to produce a usable .deb :-) for that you also don't need the author | 17:48 |
Evilham | I guess you need the author so you can start coordinating things like releases :-D | 17:48 |
andi89gi | yeah but for the 1st step I don't need the author ;) | 17:51 |
andi89gi | besides hopman anything to do Evilham? | 17:51 |
Evilham | andi89gi: FYIW: on the debian ML, this thread turned out to be interesting if you ignore the noisy bits: | 17:52 |
Evilham | (forgot to paste!) https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2019/04/msg00445.html | 17:54 |
andi89gi | Evilham: thx and no worries! let me check this one moment | 18:06 |
andi89gi | pls | 18:07 |
andi89gi | Evilham: I've ignore the noisy bits xD sounds interesting | 18:17 |
andi89gi | btw would it be interesting to provide the devuan homepage into different languages like German/French? | 18:25 |
Evilham | maybe, but it's a PITA to maintain :-D and as soon as it goes into the official page, people expect it to be up-to-date and always shiny | 18:26 |
Evilham | FWIW: there are a couple unofficial pages lik ePT-BR and ES-MX | 18:27 |
andi89gi | Evilham: yeah but I don't mean establishing an own website - just translating it ;) | 18:36 |
Evilham | that's the issue: if there is a translation and it is put on devuan's main site, people will expect it to be up-to-date and purrfectly supported, which... will depend on whoever does the translation | 18:40 |
andi89gi | yeah, I mean it would be no problem maintaining it - and speaking about it , if something have to be updated etc | 18:41 |
Evilham | so, for now at least, I am much more supportive of having localised communities grow organically in their own spaces and maybe when time proves that they work nicely and are kept up-to-date and so on, we talk about integrating | 18:41 |
Evilham | but hey, if that's a discussion worth having, it can be brought up :-p there are many things that should be done around the website | 18:42 |
andi89gi | Evilham: I see your point and I agree to it that it's important that local communities are growing up everywhere- I don't know where in Germany is a Devuan community? Unfortunatly I couldn't attend the 1st meeting in Amsterdam.But I've read the blog about the weekend. Really amazing! | 18:44 |
andi89gi | guessing they're much issues on the website to discuss. But I'm not aware of all the issues of it. ;) Thus it's only an option from my side to maintain it in German | 18:45 |
Evilham | it was like 20% Germans :-D | 18:45 |
andi89gi | :-D haha cool | 18:45 |
Evilham | not necessarily 20%, but it was certainly one of the most represented citizenships | 18:46 |
Evilham | (or identities, whatever) | 18:46 |
Evilham | (didn't actually ask for anyone's passport :-p) | 18:46 |
onefang | Well Germany isn't far away, so it was easy for them to travel there. | 18:47 |
andi89gi | yeah it doesn't really matter the nationality or passport xD | 18:47 |
andi89gi | hehe indeed Amsterdam is quite near to Germany | 18:47 |
onefang | I couldn't make it there, but I was there in spirit. My Devuan mirror is in Amsterdam. B-) | 18:48 |
Evilham | talking mirrors: we have one in Japan! | 18:51 |
onefang | Yay! | 18:51 |
Evilham | devuan.m10k.jp | 18:51 |
andi89gi | Evilham: ah cool | 18:51 |
Evilham | the kind of exciting work waiting for you onefang :-D | 18:51 |
onefang | I never did hear back from my old ISP if they wanted to run an Australian one. | 18:51 |
onefang | So long as I don't have to learn Japanese, German, Dutch, .... | 18:52 |
andi89gi | haha you can learn German from me @onefang :P | 18:54 |
Evilham | oder von mir :-) | 18:54 |
Evilham | oder von jaromil sogar X-p | 18:54 |
Evilham | (joking :-D but jaromil does speak German) | 18:54 |
andi89gi | oder so :-) gleich 3 - you've got the choice | 18:54 |
onefang | I'm only half German. ;-P | 18:55 |
andi89gi | onefang: :-P no worries | 18:57 |
andi89gi | doesn't matter | 18:57 |
onefang | I spik fluent 'strine mate. B-) | 19:02 |
andi89gi | :-) | 19:02 |
golinux | Evilham: We already had the community discussion years ago before you arrived. It did not end well. | 20:02 |
Evilham | aware, precisely that's why I'm saying it's better if it develops outside of official channels and stays active over time :-) | 20:03 |
Evilham | like the brazil folks | 20:03 |
golinux | It started with "Intergalactic Communities" on the forum. Some folks were treated rather poorly for their efforts. It was a control issue. No surprise there. | 20:04 |
andi89gi | Evilham: okay I see your point :-) | 20:04 |
andi89gi | golinux: in which case on the forum= | 20:04 |
golinux | Thankfully I can't remember the details. | 20:04 |
andi89gi | golinux: agree | 20:04 |
golinux | Quite a few efforts have come and gone. A couple are hanging on. When I want to translate a site I use chromium with google translate built in | 20:06 |
golinux | The dust up caused a few people to leave. It was ugly. | 20:06 |
andi89gi | golinux: Okay I see your point. I've only thought of internatinalization aspect :-) | 20:08 |
golinux | Interestingly, none of those efforts whether website translation or localized forum ever took off. And now they have all disappeared. Not sure how the current ones a doing. | 20:10 |
golinux | a > are | 20:11 |
andi89gi | golinux: that's really interesting. Well, I'm sry if I have openend a worth discussion :/ | 20:12 |
golinux | Don't be sorry. I thought it was a great idea and was supporting it. | 20:13 |
Evilham | it's fine :-D it's only normal to think about these things, in the end t hough it comes down to people actually being consistently involved to pull that off | 20:14 |
golinux | Until it got stomped on. | 20:14 |
Evilham | and so far experience dictates: the community is not necessarily there | 20:14 |
Evilham | (yet) | 20:14 |
golinux | What killed it was an "upper management" decision. | 20:14 |
andi89gi | golinux: "upper management"? | 20:15 |
golinux | Metaphor | 20:15 |
andi89gi | golinux: :D | 20:16 |
andi89gi | ok | 20:16 |
* golinux goes to pour tea | 20:16 | |
golinux | bbiab | 20:16 |
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