| rrq | andy5995: if you don't mind; I'd prefer not start using the gitlab issue system for discussion purposes. but #34: I'd agree that multiple branches are not really needed, and #28 that the wiki is a repository already (it just doesn't tell you :)) | 00:40 |
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| rrq | git@git.devuan.org:devuan/devuan-maintainers.wiki.git | 00:41 |
| rrq | afaict, it requires the "markdown" format, though possibly "asciiidoc" would be available if you name the file wisely (not sure). | 00:43 |
| rrq | biab | 00:43 |
| andy5995 | rrq: I don't mind, but where should ongoing discussions take place about issues? Is that what the pads are used for? | 01:08 |
| golinux | Mostly on irc. | 01:09 |
| golinux | I second rrq's request for fewer issues. All the email is getting really annoying | 01:10 |
| golinux | Ah . . . there's the wiki link. | 01:10 |
| golinux | I think I'm caught up. | 01:12 |
| andy5995 | rrq: I think I could clone the repo with that link you gave me, but I wouldn't have any write access to it. Is there a way people could fork it the way a regular repo is forked? So merge requests could be made by anyone without write access? | 01:22 |
| Evilham | Thats what the webui is for | 01:23 |
| andy5995 | You mean this? https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-maintainers/wikis/GitPackages | 01:24 |
| andy5995 | I don't have write access to that either. | 01:24 |
| andy5995 | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/rKNrrQCt/ | 01:28 |
| Evilham | You can fork that project from the web ui | 01:31 |
| Evilham | Haven't triedbut I guess wiki things would work | 01:32 |
| andy5995 | Yes I've already forked the repo, but it only contains the README. Most of the existing package docs are on the wiki. Which I can clone, but I can't fork. | 01:32 |
| Evilham | Otoh, probably those wiki things should be disappearing.... I dont think many people check update or knowthey exist | 01:33 |
| Evilham | I see, so they are even more useless than I thought | 01:33 |
| Evilham | Oh well :-) | 01:33 |
| andy5995 | That's why I suggested copy the source of the wiki pages into the repo itself. | 01:34 |
| andy5995 | *copying | 01:34 |
| Evilham | Makes sense | 01:34 |
| andy5995 | But then again, people would have to deal with email notifications from the merge requests and review discussions | 01:35 |
| Evilham | If nobodyfigures it outbefore I remember this in about 14 hours, Ill see if I can give you edit permissions to that project and itll be easier for you | 01:35 |
| andy5995 | which I do'nt mind.. I just delete emails with duplicate subjects before my inbox fills up | 01:35 |
| andy5995 | or I just click the "merge requests" link on the repo to see what's been updated | 01:36 |
| Evilham | that's still better than a limited use wiki, I do t recall if gitea even supports those | 01:36 |
| andy5995 | Evilham: I tend to agree... | 01:36 |
| Evilham | (Thereis a pending move to gitea) | 01:36 |
| * golinux goes back to painting the deck - second coat | 01:37 | |
| andy5995 | Basically I think one of the reasons the pack-docs haven't been maintained.. anyone who could, doesn't have the time, and anyone who's willing (be it to fix typos or add whole paragraphs) doesn't have access. | 01:39 |
| andy5995 | even people who are brand-spanking new to projects are sometimes willing to do a quick PR to fix a typo or grammatical errors. | 01:39 |
| Evilham | Yup :) | 01:40 |
| Evilham | Anyway, imma take a look in some hours | 01:41 |
| Evilham | andy5995: if you want, you can look into gitlab wiki migration tools, there must be sth out there already | 01:42 |
| Evilham | Aka sth that uses gitlabs API to generate a tree of dirs and.md files | 01:42 |
| Evilham | And if not and you are so inclined, you could try implementing it, skme other poor soul could bendfit afterwards | 01:43 |
| Evilham | Thereis good documentation of the API and a decent Python module | 01:44 |
| Evilham | If you do take a look, letme know what you find or dont find | 01:44 |
| Evilham | \o nighty | 01:45 |
| Xenguy | golinux: paint it black ; -) | 01:54 |
| sasquatch | \o/ | 01:56 |
| andy5995 | Evilham: gitlab wiki migration tools? Hadn't thought of that. I'm not sure it's needed for this case. I've cloned the repo and there are only 3 files, which I expected. | 03:00 |
| andy5995 | I think the only problem will be updating the links to match the new locations in the repo, but probably just a search and replace will be easy enough for only 3 docs | 03:01 |
| andy5995 | golinux: I got your last message on the gitlab broken links issue... These are the 3 markdown files from the wiki that could get moved into the repo. | 03:02 |
| andy5995 | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/sJsJLVaH/GitPackages.md https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iuVO5U1I/home.md https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/uEmCcF2I/JenkinsAutobuild.md | 03:03 |
| andy5995 | Evilham golinux and if you'd like, I could do a merge request to add them, and update the links. | 03:03 |
| rrq | andy5995: I agree that everything is less of a hurdle with that (all) documentation as first-class git project(s). Possibly augmented with an automated "publishing bot" for rendering into publication(s). But/And best to go wih golinux and Evilham ... | 03:24 |
| golinux | Sounds like a plan. | 03:25 |
| rrq | start with promoting the existing pages into the rep; then should be named .md for markdown aor .adoc for asciidoc (which is slightly more "advanced") | 03:25 |
| golinux | Os that a confirmed option? | 03:26 |
| golinux | Id | 03:26 |
| golinux | Is | 03:26 |
| golinux | Whew! | 03:26 |
| rrq | yes, asciidoc works in "normal" files ... eg devuan-packages/udptap | 03:26 |
| * golinux just got in from painting. | 03:26 | |
| rrq | (those fumes :)) | 03:26 |
| golinux | But are they publishable if we ever want to put them on the website. | 03:27 |
| golinux | No kidding and near 100 too | 03:27 |
| golinux | middleman can handle markdown | 03:28 |
| rrq | yes; asciidoc is just a markdown variant... https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/udptap/blob/suites/experimental/udptap-cron.sh.8.adoc | 03:28 |
| rrq | eg | 03:28 |
| golinux | OK then | 03:28 |
| golinux | We're good to go. That option should probably be mentioned in the notes somewhere. | 03:29 |
| golinux | I need to clean up. bbiab | 03:30 |
| rrq | (that example also illustrates the "man page" support of asciidoc.. though someone should explain to the youngsters what a "man page" is ;)) | 03:33 |
| andy5995 | If I read things right, sounds like the next step will be done by someone else. | 05:08 |
| andy5995 | Good idea to make things publishable | 05:08 |
| andy5995 | going on a trip soon, think I'll shut down early tonight. Back in 2 or 3 days. Cheers :) | 05:09 |
| LeePen | golinux: fsmithred: The policykit update is available in beowulf. We had to do a full version bump from +devuan3 in ceres, but there are no other changes. We just have to remember than now we have a beowulf version > ceres version which is not great for workflow. | 13:13 |
| fsmithred | ack | 13:14 |
| fsmithred | LeePen, were you able to get no-CSD without installing the gtk3-nocsd package? | 13:15 |
| LeePen | fsmithred: I don't think so, but it was a few weeks ago. I can try again now. | 13:17 |
| fsmithred | LeePen, I wasn't able to do it. It's not a necessary feature because the nocsd package exists and works. I just wanted to know for sure if the CSD stuff in p'kit works or not. (I might be doing it wrong.) | 13:42 |
| enyc | FWIW, Mxlinux with their systemd-shim update to be sysvinit-by-default have produced a Beta MX 19.1 .... | 16:51 |
| enyc | +1 to the general idea of needing to patch less packages in general | 16:52 |
| LeePen | fsmithred: I have just tried on an uptodate beowulf VM with the clearlooks-phenix-cinnabar-theme_7.0.1-3~test2_all.deb and gtk3-nooverlayscrollbar_7.0.1-3~test2_all.deb you sent me a few weeks ago. | 17:07 |
| LeePen | 17:07 | |
| LeePen | AFAICS, even *without* gtk3-nocsd the scrollbars are enabled in synaptic (which I think was what you were after?) | 17:09 |
| * Evilham reports on wikis on gdo | 17:14 | |
| Evilham | Apparently GitLab deals with wikis as their own git repository, but this is not included in forks and so on. https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/42854 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-org/gitlab-ce/issues/21888 | 17:15 |
| Evilham | See: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-maintainers/wikis/git_access | 17:16 |
| Evilham | so, it'd be kinda easy to migrate wikis to a special branch on the "main" repository for a project | 17:16 |
| Evilham | and a way to keep those up-to-date would be that upon merging changes, these changes are also pushed to the wiki git repo | 17:18 |
| Evilham | also: that's not exclusive to GL, gitea and GitHub do the same | 17:21 |
| golinux | Good news. Thanks for your sleuthing. :) | 17:28 |
| onefang | Hmmm, lots of failures in the weekly mirror report. B-( | 17:37 |
| Evilham | and there are only 23 projects with wiki pages | 17:37 |
| Evilham | onefang: maybe pkgmaster just updated and things haven't propagated yet | 17:37 |
| Evilham | I don't trust that email too much :-D | 17:38 |
| onefang | I'll run my mirror checker later. | 17:38 |
| Evilham | mine says everything was fine 2h ago | 17:38 |
| Evilham | golinux: I recall dev1fanboy's wikis having some special role, what was it? there is devuan-resources and Upgrade-Install-Devuan | 17:39 |
| Evilham | also, can we archive this? I don't see anyone wanting to take upon themselves this right now and if that time comes, it can be revisited https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-news/ | 17:43 |
| Evilham | Also, Centurion_Dan: can this be gone? https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/Installer_Feedback | 17:46 |
| Evilham | and rrq: maybe this wiki can also be gone (though not the whole repo)? https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/vtap | 17:47 |
| sasquatch | "I recall dev1fanboy's wikis having some special role" <<< is playing dead a special role? | 18:00 |
| sasquatch | https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php/start?do=recent | 18:01 |
| sasquatch | a stale wiki is worse propaganda than having no wiki | 18:02 |
| onefang | I have a page on FoD. | 18:03 |
| sasquatch | me too | 18:03 |
| sasquatch | == yeti | 18:04 |
| sasquatch | the critical mass for a 2living" wiki simply is not reached | 18:04 |
| sasquatch | and that for already a too long time | 18:04 |
| sasquatch | some formerly enthusiastic writers already left | 18:05 |
| sasquatch | It's dead, Jim! | 18:07 |
| golinux | dev1fanboy's wiki pages are on the website here https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ and the visual guides here https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/start-here.html | 18:07 |
| golinux | Those guides are also included on the install disks. | 18:08 |
| golinux | I have not seen him around (chillfan on irc) since early June iirc even though I have tried to contact him by email several times | 18:09 |
| golinux | Evilham: ^^^ | 18:10 |
| golinux | It has been years since a issue of Devuan news was published. It was a LOT of work so burnout. There is still #devuan-news but folks who visit there usually want news not to write it | 18:12 |
| golinux | The FoD wiki is independently maintained by FlibberTGibbet. Last year we were set to move to an "official Devuan wiki" on mediawiki. We're good at flapping gums. | 18:17 |
| sasquatch | I'm out. | 18:19 |
| golinux | msi, who was doing the documentation on the wiki, left in a bit of a snit and now hangs our with Adelie | 18:20 |
| Evilham | alrighty, so dev1fanboy's repos can be gone basically | 18:22 |
| golinux | plasma41, fsmithred and I should be able to update dev1fanboy's documentation for beowulf | 18:22 |
| golinux | So no! | 18:22 |
| Evilham | ok :-d | 18:22 |
| Evilham | it's just the info is duplicated | 18:22 |
| Evilham | and I am guessing... translations won't happen for the updated info | 18:22 |
| Evilham | so, those changes could happen directly on devuan-www | 18:23 |
| sasquatch | I think a stale wiki is bad publicity | 18:23 |
| Evilham | sasquatch: yup, which is why I'm going through all the wikis on gdo and proposing we get rid of 'em all basically. As for FoD, it was never an official devuan thing IIRC | 18:23 |
| golinux | I was thinking of adding pages on the wiki | 18:24 |
| Evilham | on FoD? | 18:24 |
| onefang | I want to merge some of my FoD page into the mirror walkthrough, but keep the rest. | 18:24 |
| fsmithred | upgrade instructions should be easy to fix. Migration instructions not so easy. Someone who's done a successful migration will need to help. | 18:24 |
| golinux | no dev1fanboy | 18:24 |
| golinux | fsmithred: I volunteered you without asking first. Sorry. :D | 18:25 |
| sasquatch | why have the pages on git and dokuwki? | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | np | 18:25 |
| golinux | You are my go-to resource for such things. | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | sed -i 's/ascii/beowulf/g' is about all we need to do. | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | I would not be opposed to removing the migration howto. | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | or someone convince me that it's relatively easy to do. | 18:26 |
| golinux | For beowulf, right? | 18:27 |
| Evilham | alrighty, so, how about this: the 'official' documentation wikis: devuan-doc/manuals and devuan/devuan-{documentation,project,maintainers} get merged into one repository (they mostly have no info), where also dev1fanboy's wiki gets imported with proper attribution | 18:27 |
| fsmithred | yeah, either stretch or buster to beowulf | 18:27 |
| Evilham | having repositories / wikis for one page feels super useless | 18:27 |
| fsmithred | I tried a couple months ago, and it was a mess. | 18:27 |
| golinux | We need testers. (That's not going to be me) | 18:28 |
| fsmithred | getting all the docs in one place makes sense. I've never used a wiki page on gdo. | 18:28 |
| golinux | hellekin set up gitlab and much like the website is is fragmented and overly compartmentalized. | 18:29 |
| Evilham | precisely | 18:29 |
| golinux | Very non-minimal. I removed many redundant pages from the website. | 18:29 |
| golinux | I have just opened a query to FlibberTGibbet. Maybe I can catch him. If not I'll email. | 18:32 |
| golinux | Evilham: Please keep the Devuan-News history of published issues | 18:34 |
| Evilham | yeah, I'm proposing we archive those | 18:34 |
| Evilham | aka: they exist but marked as "nobody should be working on this or consider doing anything based on this unless they have talked things with someone else" | 18:34 |
| golinux | Sounds good. | 18:35 |
| Evilham | email sent | 18:42 |
| Evilham | now I'll be off \o have a good friday | 18:42 |
| golinux | Byeeeee . . . | 18:48 |
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